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wild fight that you may not have known a lot

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about in Venezuela. We're going to recap the shootout with

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vote fighters down for the WBC's what Junior Flyweight Championship.

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We're going to recap also the Golden Boy desone show

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here is a recap pod, and I must confess I

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did not know about this fight, this Carlos canizalz fight

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against Ponya, the WBC Junior Flyweight Champion.

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Speaker 2: This is in Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: This was back on Friday night, and my man Rayphiel

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is texting me on did you see this fight?

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Speaker 2: Did you see this fight?

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Speaker 1: You actually put me onto it because it was through

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ESPN Deportis, So I dialed it up on ESPN Plus

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and the watch ESPN service that they have.

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Speaker 2: Let's begin right there.

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Speaker 1: If you didn't know about it, you're about to find

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out about it, and you need to find some highlights

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a hell of a fight. And in fact,

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this whole weekend between this fight and then the fights

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that were on the Golden Boy card were all three

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of those fights were super entertaining and super interesting to watch.

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But this fight on Friday night. Now, I had known

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the fight was scheduled because I am, as my schedule

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on my newsletter says, I obsessed, So you don't have to.

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This was a mandatory fight ordered by the WBC. If

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you go back to December, you had the vacant title,

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you had Cannonzales against Pania that took place in Bangkok,

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which is his hometown for this title, and it was very,

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very close, very controversial, but a lot of people thought

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that Canazalas deserved to get to win. And you know,

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you can tell when and I've watched this fight, it's

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on YouTube. Pania gets the victory and his own people,

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his own crowd are booing the decision. You don't see

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that often. I mean, that's highly unusual. So if the

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hometown guys fans are booing the decision, you can pretty

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much rest assured that this is probably not the best

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decision you've ever seen. So the Cannazales team protested. Obviously,

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the WBC agreed it was not the greatest scoring of

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all time. They did order the rematch, and that's what

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again in Thailand, where Panya is from, this time it

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Carlos Canizales. Now, if you're familiar, Canazales had at one

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the schedule. But ESPN now in Mexico and in Latin

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speaking countries. So this fight was an ESPN Knockout fight,

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and at the last minute they added it not only

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too live on ESPN the Portes on the Linear channel,

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showed the main event. Plus I think they showed part

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of one of the other fights, but any of that.

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is not one hundred percent done with boxing in the

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wake of the expiration of the Top Rank contract. Now,

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keep in mind, the Top Rank contract was a two

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way thing where Top Rank controlled all of the boxing

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on ESPN and ESPN you know, could only do events

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with Top Rank. So this this fight happened like literally

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the deal, so they were able to guess to go

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the ports, you know, in lieu of a regularly scheduled show.

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English it's in Spanish. But for me personally, I couldn't

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care less. I've watched thousands of hours of Spanish language boxing.

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It's fine with me. But anyway, as far as the

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fight goes, TJ definitely a Fight of the Year candidate.

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I don't know if it's going to be, you know,

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the winner, it's not. It doesn't trump necessary, you know,

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just absolutely went to beat the living shit out of

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each other. Both guys were down, I mean they were.

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I mean, there're one hundred and eight pounders, But I

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don't care how big or small you are. If you're

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firing in your land and clean shots. You're gonna hurt guys.

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Speaker 1: Am I correct, Cannazales had fought your boy Taraji. Am

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I not right about that? Previously, I thought I saw that.

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Speaker 3: So he did fight Taji. This is back in twenty

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twenty four. He challenged him for the WBC. Yeah, one

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hundred and eight pound title when he held it, and

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he lost the decision Taraji when he vacated to go

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to one hundred and twelve to fill that vacant title

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was Panya against against Canada.

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Speaker 2: So I thought, I thought I knew about that.

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Speaker 1: And again Cannazales being inspired by the crowd here, I'm

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just gonna interject this. He was bombing to the body,

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bombing to the head. And you know, I have to

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be truthful when we when we do this, I already

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knew that it's going to be a fifth round knockout

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Speaker 2: It's it's not.

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fight as a fan. I watched it fully, and I'm like,

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holy crap, as you as you had made mention that

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they are bombing in the first round here of this fight,

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in particular Canazales going to the body.

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was contested with open scoring, and so you could hear

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them in the background after round four saying, you know

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that that Canazalis was winning the fight, and he definitely

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was winning. But Panya was tough as nails. He was

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firing back and landing great shots too. They were just

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you know, like reckless, abandoned firing punches. So canaz OUIs

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as bad as he had performed in the third round,

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there had been a very bad headbutt. Yeah, really seemed

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to impact Panya. He definitely did not, you know, they

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Speaker 2: They had the doctor come.

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Speaker 3: Over, so he's getting beat up in the female.

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Speaker 1: And she's checking for a cut, okay, and there was

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no cut, but he clearly was you know, wincing and

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holding his head and looking at the referee.

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Speaker 3: As a man that covers football for a living like

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you did. That's the epitome of He had his bell rung.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he got yes, good good football analogy on getting

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Speaker 3: Well, so that's the thing. So he's he's in very

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a shootout. I'm not sure how much more of these

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guys are gonna take. Uh. And he comes out in

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the first few seconds of the fourth round. He lands

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a massive right hand and he's send. It was almost

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like cartoonist. He sends cannazals like basically flying into the

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into the ring ropes. Uh. They held him up clearly,

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and the referee properly ruled at a knockown. He gave

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him the A count. So now that's tighten things up

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it out and it didn't look like that bad at

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kind of behind him. When they showed the replay, you

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could see it was a good shot, but Canzales got

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in a really solid, very very rough hook to the

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body and uh and.

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the replay what did he hit him with left? And

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right rip.

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and put him down. But as he was dropping to

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the mat, he landed a shot with the right hand

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and a body also that probably you know was sort

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of window dressing, but it couldn't help the situation. And

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so he's literally sitting on his rear end in the

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corner with his back up against the ring post and

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he was just done. And so it was a spectacular war.

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It was a big win for Canonzales. He rights the

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wrong that man he felt happened when he got the

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bad end of the majority decision the first time around

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when they fought back in December. And so now he

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wins this one hundred eight pound title, and I'm telling

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you there's been so if you go through history, there's

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been so many good fights in that weight class. It

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you know, from Asia or from Latin America. The one

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class was Michael Carblehall, who was a Hall of Famer.

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division for a little while. His his great fights with

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Shaquiita Gonzalez and such. But if you didn't see this one,

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I mean, and it's only you know, four plus rounds,

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it's absolutely worth watching. This was a tremendous battle and

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a big, big, big.

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Speaker 1: Genuine emotion from Canazales because he broke down on his

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knees in the in the middle of the ring. His

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corner's trying to pick him up, and he's a little

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guy as it is to celebrate, and he's down on

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all fours and on his knees, crying in the middle

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of the ring in Vine.

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Speaker 3: I've always thought Canizales was I've seen him fight several times.

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in his peak at this point. This was this was

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a majority decision he lost to Taraji, So he basically

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went straight up with the guy at that time who

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was the best in the division. The the loss they

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suffered in the December fight was you know, highly suspect

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and then you know, he did get knocked out in

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twenty twenty one. This has been that one of those

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WBA regular title fights. But you know, he's fought some

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good fighters. If you take a look at his record,

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he's beating other guys that have like these names, Gannigan,

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Lopez and Show Kamara. You know, if you follow the

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the small weight classes, you know, you'll see names that

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you recognize that Daniel matt talone. I mean, there's been

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solid opponents that he has defeated. So I think Cannazales

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is a hell of a fun fighter to watch, and

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notable fight for him. Mabe one hundred eight pounds, you know,

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is sort of an interesting weight class. I mean, just

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we talked about in the last recap when we were

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talking about the the card that just took place that

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was over in Japan where you had Takami win the title.

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Uh you know in that in that fight by knockout.

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I mean, I know it's very esoteric and like it's

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not huge money, but the way Kenna Zalas fights and

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he just fought this last fight, and the way Takami

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showed himself, the way he took a part and won

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the title last week, Like I dream about you like that?

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Speaker 2: Ive some of that.

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Speaker 1: Gimme some of that as a as a fight. Let

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me ask this question. Then we'll move on because we

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don't have a lot. Oh and by the way, on

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the recaps, but I love that Oscar Colaso go up

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and fight one of those guys.

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Speaker 2: My god, will you let me get my question out?

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Speaker 1: I was going right there, So clarify for me and

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the audience junior flyweight versus strawweight because I'm confused on

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that level.

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Speaker 2: But it's only like three pounds, Am I right?

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Speaker 3: Unified?

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Speaker 2: To clarify all of it with Klaso and that yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Klaso's unified at one hundred five pounds. Kenna Zalas

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and Takami now are two of the title theres at

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one hundred and eight pounds Kalaso. You know, I know

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he wants to try to become undisputed. There is a

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pathway there, but they kind of got to get on

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the ball. But he's going to be one hundred eight

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pounder at some point and then not do this in future.

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He doesn't have a specific fight say yet. I have

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to imagine though, that Golden Boy will bring him back,

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you know, sometime hopefully, you know, either at the end

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of the summer or in the early fall, and you know,

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if they can get him a unification fight, a rematch

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with Melvin Jerusalem who's got the BC title, or get

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the Filipino champion of the IBF, Pedro To Duran, you know,

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and do that fight, so be it. But you know what,

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there's a good action that can be made at one

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oweight also if he wants to move up. So if

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you're into those little weight classes and they produce and

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massive action for little guys a lot of times, and

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those are good fights.

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Speaker 2: It's worth mentioning that. Again we'll brag on ourselves.

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Speaker 1: We talk about Klaso and these little fights and the

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Japanese fights that have the smallest of weight classes probably

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as much as anybody sign me up on Colaso and

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Canazalez off of what I said the other night. And

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it's not like it's that big a deal when you're

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talking about a three pound discrepancy. I mean it would

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be simmer and if there was like an eight pound

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discrepancy among the little guys.

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Speaker 3: I mean, here's the reality. I mean when we talk

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about the fact that there are maybe too many divisions

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in boxing seventeen eighteen of the count bridger weight and

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you were looking to sort of get rid of weight class.

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Obviously you know, no offense to the to the little guys,

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but you would you would absolutely get rid of strawweight.

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It's totally unnecessary, you know, you know, eat a bowl

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of pudding. You're good, you know what I mean. I mean, okay,

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it's kind of unnecessary. They're all basically the same, so anyway,

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but there's a lot of good action in those weight

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classes and it's produced some all time great conactors. I mean,

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Ricardo Lopez was in those weight classes one oh five

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and went away. I even Calderone, a Roman chuck with

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Tito Gonzales.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, I know you used to work at ESPN,

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And it's funny that you mentioned that because I was

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watching it with the commentary on. My wife even looked

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at me. At one point he said, what is all

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the excite? What are you watching? I said, I'm watching

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this and Chava Rodriguez is the guy that's on the

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play by play boy your boy. Chava must have said Calderone.

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I've been called Arone like five times, so I don't

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know in what vein. He kept bringing up Calderon and

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his greatness versus Cannazal and what ken is also kept.

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Speaker 2: Bringing up because he evoked it over and over again.

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Speaker 3: Calgrow was one of his commentators that was working with him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Coler was on the podcast, so he was

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teeing him up. And the interesting thing about them is

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they're not sitting in the same places. They're doing it

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remotely with headsets on, where they're not even the announcers

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in the same place, much less not in the arena.

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So we're fine with all of this because we got

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to see the fight and it was an entertaining fighting.

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Speaker 3: Really good.

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Speaker 2: It goes from there.

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Speaker 1: I let's advance to Saturday, where again the most noteworthy

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fight card was this Golden Boys Show in Chicago, where

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in the main event you got plenty of action and

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ultimately an Oscar Duarte majority decision win over Kenneth Simms

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in the junior welterweight main event. Your take on what

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we saw there on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Night, Well, I believe that when we left off on

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our preview, I said to you, I'd be really disappointed

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if we were back here on Sunday talking about this

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fight and it turned out to be no good And

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I'm very proud to report for those who are listening,

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maybe those who didn't actually watch the fight, one hundred percent,

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I was right. Was it the fight of the year. No,

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but it was very very good fight, a very close,

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competitive fight, a very entertaining fight, good crowd that was there.

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I said to you because Kenna Sims is from Chicago,

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so he had his hometown crew there watching him. I

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said it was a big Mexican fan base in Chicago

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and that the fans of the Mexican fighters would turn out.

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And what happened during the fight at varying times you

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heard the chance of boss Man. Boss Man, that's Kenna

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sims nickname. You were a chance of Mexico, Mexico obviously

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in support of Duarte, and these guys put out a

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very high class quality, professional contender type fight. It was

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I didn't realize this they changed, they got this sanction

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done at the last minute. Officially was a WBA one

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hundred forty pound title illegally eliminator. I don't think it's

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going to mean that the next fight is the title

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fight for the for Duarte, who was the winner, because

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Gary Antoine Russell, who is the WBA's one hundred forty

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pound titleder, he's already backed up with his current many

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that's been languishing that has not gotten taken care of

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against the Japanese contender, Andy Harryoka. But nonetheless, Duarte gets

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the win just a very very entertaining, very pleasing, very

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satisfying fight. I thought the judges did a good job.

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They gave the scores. They gave Duarte the win by

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the majority decision. It was one sixteen, one to twelve.

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That's how I added. One judge had at one fifteen,

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one thirteen, perfectly reasonable. One judge had at one fourteen,

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one fourteen. We always talk about the range of acceptable scores.

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To me, those were the three scores that seemed reasonable

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enough if you wanted to tell me he thought it

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was a draw, I can't argue with that. You know,

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it was that type of fight. Basically, what it came

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down to is you've got the very aggressive Oscar Duarte

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marching forward, winging uppercuts, winging big shots, winging hooks, and

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you got the more subtle counterpuncher and Kenneth Sims, who

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was doing an excellent job with his jab and also

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landed you know, a good amount of flurries, and it

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was sort of who do you liked better? It was

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very plainly obvious that that and and this is professional boxing.

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I always think about my conversations in years past with

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the late great Harold Letterman. Professional boxing. At the end

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of the day is who's doing more damage? And the

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heavier punches were all things being equal, and they were

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both landing, but that definitely the bigger punches were being

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landed by Oscar Duarte, who is a bigger puncher. And

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it was very evident he'd never really hurt Sims. I

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didn't think he didn't knock him down or anything like that,

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but it was just very obvious that he was the

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guy between his hook, his upper cut and the power

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behind them that was doing like a better job and

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doing more damage, let's say, than the very excellent educated

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hook or rather jab rather from from Sims and the

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counterpunching ability. But really good fight. It's one of those fights.

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We talked about this all the time, TJ. Both guys

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and my estimation raised their stock just because Kenneth Simms

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did not win. There's zero reason not to want to

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see him in a fight against another quality opponent. I'm

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sure the crowd would turn out for him again in Chicago.

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The Zone would should be thrilled to put him back

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on the air, same with Duarte and Duarte. You know,

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it's a big win because he's gonna obviously he's a man,

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he's gonna be in a mandatory position. He gets his

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fourth win in a row. You know, he was most known,

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unfortunately for the loss he suffered back at the end

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of twenty three where he got stopped in the eighth

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round by Ryan Garcia. But ever since then, he's beaten

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Joseph Diz, he's beaten Acmandoff, he beat Miguel Madueno, and

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now he's got another good quality win against Kenneth Sims.

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I think this is the biggest win of his career

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so far, and it was a hell of a fight.

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And for Sam's look, he had won nine in a row.

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He wanted his uh, you know, his dream was to

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fight at home again. When he signed with Oscar a

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year and a half ago or so, one of the

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things that Golden Boy promised him, which what he really wanted,

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was that they would bring him home to fight in Chicago.

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So this was the third fight of his contract with

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Golden Boy. Oscar and the team there stuck to their promise.

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They brought him home. And maybe he didn't get the win,

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but nobody, nobody that bought a ticket walked out of

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that place thinking, you know, I shouldn't come to this

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fight card. Really good show, really good main event. Can't

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speak more highly enough. It can't wait to see the

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weren't they back in the ring And can't wait to

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see Kenny Sims back of the ring. I'm a fan

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of both these guys. Man, hell of a fight, all right.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of when you left us on the preview pod,

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you mentioned that regis progray and speaking of Joseph Jojo

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Diaz might very well be two guys that are basically

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at the end that can't really get out of the

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way much anymore and might slug it out, and that

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is exactly what it turned out to be. For ten

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rounds of this one for a lot of it at

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least anyway, a very entertaining co feature which reaches Progray

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won by unanimous decision in a fairly close fight. Are

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giving your thoughts as a pro Gray, former world champion

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at one point here gets the victory, and again we

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understand that Progray had two awful losses before this, but

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at least he got the win here in the Crow

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feature and they did slug.

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Speaker 3: It out, they did, and I look, it was a

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highly entertaining fight to watch. It was the fight of

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the night, as much as I enjoyed the main event

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between Duarte and Sam's too much more skillful fighters at

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this stage of their careers, two more fresher fighters at

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this stage. But there's something to be said for you know,

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you know, not to be I'm not trying to call

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anybody names or speak badly, but basically two shot guys

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looking to hang on who really can't do anything else

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but stand and fight and show their heart, because that's

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you know. I wrote this on social media against to

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a certain point when Jojo Diaz and Regis are just

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winging shots and slugging it out where they've gotten, it's

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very they have nothing left at all other than their

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balls in their heart. And I respect that obviously, because

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they are tough men for sure. So the scores of

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the fight ninety six to ninety four for Regis, that

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seemed about right. There was some conversation among the broadcasters

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on his own our boys Grisham and Sergio Mora and

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Mannix that maybe a draw. I thought that would not

474
00:21:57,559 --> 00:21:57,880
have been.

475
00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:00,279
Speaker 1: Social media kept saying this looks like it's got draw

476
00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:01,119
written all over it.

477
00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:03,559
Speaker 3: Because there was no there was no knockdowns, there was

478
00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:05,440
no point deduction, so there was nothing that's going to

479
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,519
mess up the scoring like that. So in the end

480
00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:10,799
two judges have it ninety six ninety four for program,

481
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,720
which is fine if you if you're going to pick

482
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,880
a winner. He probably eked it out, but again it's boxing.

483
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,920
There's always that one outlier card that you look at

484
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,079
you're like, I don't know how they got to that.

485
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,079
And one of the judges add it ninety eight to

486
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,160
ninety two in favor of Regis, which was in no

487
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,920
way eight to two in no way, shape or form

488
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,279
shows you the good work that Joseph Diaz did. Look,

489
00:22:31,319 --> 00:22:34,200
these guys are both finished in terms of being championship

490
00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:37,200
level contenders. I know Regis with the victory, still harbors

491
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,279
the great hope that he can get another title shot

492
00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:42,440
and win one. I'm very skeptical, and I don't say

493
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,440
that with any happiness. I'm a fan of Regis program.

494
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,359
He's a been a hell of a fighter, He's a

495
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,960
good dude, gives everything he's got and uh, but the

496
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,240
thing about it is number one, if you were watching

497
00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,359
the show, it's very clear when you just saw them

498
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,599
as people next to each other. Regis Program is just

499
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,480
a look much larger human being than Joseph Diaz. Joseph

500
00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:06,559
Diaz was at his best, which is now several years ago,

501
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:08,960
at one hundred and thirty and one hundred and thirty

502
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,359
five pounds. Now he's up fighting at one hundred and

503
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,119
forty two pounds, which was the catchweight or the contract

504
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,119
wait for this, so a little bit over the junior

505
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,559
welterweight limit. And he was just a much smaller guy.

506
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,680
And Joseph Diaz, we've known about how great of a

507
00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:24,559
chin he has only been stopped the one time, and

508
00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:27,680
that was actually by Duarte back in twenty twenty four.

509
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:31,759
But what Joseph Diaz has never had, even at the

510
00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:34,480
lower weight classes, is any kind of significant punching power,

511
00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:37,440
never been known as a puncher at all. And to

512
00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:39,880
watch him go in there as a much smaller guy,

513
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:43,799
pretty much shot to bits at this point, way over

514
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:47,599
his best weight, hurting Regius Prograde, not once by accident

515
00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:51,599
with a lucky shot, but on a multiple occasions, could

516
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,319
not miss with his left hand. He would have we

517
00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:58,799
would have rounds where and the best thing that Regis

518
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:00,880
brought to the table was a jeb is still very good.

519
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,079
He kept him at day, he kept him off balance,

520
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,759
he kept him on the end of it, and then

521
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:06,279
he would kind of forget about it, or maybe you

522
00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:08,400
get a little bit tired. And like the last thirty

523
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,119
forty to fifty seconds of the round, you'd have Joseph

524
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,359
Diaz on the attack with the left hand, and every

525
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,720
time he hit him with the left hand inside these

526
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,440
little short punches, he's doing the stinky leg, he's doing

527
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,559
the Gumby dance. He's all over the place. End of

528
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,400
the first round, Regis is dominated he's had, you know,

529
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,440
he's been laying the jab on him the whole round,

530
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:27,359
and all of a sudden you hear, you know, there's

531
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,720
just this short, little left hand on the inside and

532
00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:31,519
Regis is like, you know, all over the place like

533
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:33,920
a drunken sailor so and that wasn't just one time.

534
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,640
There was about four or five times, it felt like

535
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,880
in that fight right where he got badly hurt by left.

536
00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: So in victory, I mean, we got to get to

537
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,519
realism at some point. Should there be some people intervening

538
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,799
here and saying putting that tape on and saying to

539
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,839
Progray even in victory here this is a blown up

540
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,200
junior lightweight or lightweight. He's what thirty seven? Now we're

541
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,119
about to be thirty seven. I think I saw that

542
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:03,079
Regis talking about Progray, right, So at some point fighters

543
00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:05,319
safety six. Now he's thirty six, right, but I think

544
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,279
he's thirty seven. Soon you're coming into the fighter safety thing,

545
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,000
especially when you're describing what you're describing on He did

546
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,039
not look good in any of his last three fights.

547
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,640
Devin Handy put a real whooping on him about a

548
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,200
year ago, year and a half ago, what was a

549
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,519
December of twenty three, for their own good, for their

550
00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:27,519
own brains, and mush coming up here in the next

551
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:30,599
five years, the next ten years of their lives. If Jojo,

552
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,759
My point is, if Jojo Diaz is doing that to him,

553
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,160
then there's serious concern for down the road.

554
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 3: My point was, if you, if you are struggling this

555
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,000
badly against Joseph Diaz, who's now two and seven in

556
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:47,480
his last nine fights, if you're struggling this badly against

557
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:50,519
that guy, a smaller guy with not a lot of

558
00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:53,559
punching power, who hasn't looked good for years. Last time

559
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:56,240
he had a win of matter was twenty twenty one,

560
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,839
and even in victory, you're probably done. So okay, I

561
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,680
appreciate their heart and the desire of Regis. He did

562
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,319
make an excellent point. I agree with him one hundred percent.

563
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,279
If I didn't go and lock in for the two

564
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:08,920
months in Vegas and really take my training seriously and

565
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,960
get myself in the kind of condition I was in,

566
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,720
which he was in great shape, and Jojo was in

567
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:15,480
good shape also. I'll give him credit for that too,

568
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,799
but that it was really the conditioning that won him

569
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,880
to fight, Because I mean again, if Joseph Diaz is

570
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,559
doing that kind of damage with his left hand. What

571
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,240
it would it be like. Imagine imagine Regis Program in

572
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:31,920
a similar situation that he's fighting Sabril Mattias, who's a

573
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,359
big puncher who's got the best title, or he's fighting

574
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,559
Tiafimo Lopez or Richardson Hitchens or Gary Antoin Russell. I'm

575
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:40,720
citing the other guys with the titles, or a pit

576
00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:43,079
Bull Cruise who has an interim title, who's a relentless

577
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,519
kind of fighter. My point is, you would be in

578
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,559
a lot more trouble, like you said, like a lightweight

579
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:51,799
junior lightweight that's not a puncher at all. So yeah,

580
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:56,079
he got the win. I think both guys. They showed

581
00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:57,960
a lot of heart. The fans loved it, you know,

582
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,319
they asked them about the rematch. He's like, you know,

583
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,200
if we can fight for a title or there's quote

584
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,960
big ass money, then he would do it.

585
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,519
Speaker 1: But right now he's not a lot more than co

586
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,640
feature on a his own Golden Boys show coming up Progray.

587
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,599
By the way, it'll be thirty seven in January, so

588
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,079
not as soon as I was intimating. But again, uh,

589
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,440
he was a very entertaining fighter.

590
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: That's fine thing. I mean that has that has apparently faded.

591
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,519
Speaker 1: And at this point you put him in there against

592
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:27,200
somebody that can punch. I'm concerned and you wonder if

593
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,240
the if the others around him will be concerned for him,

594
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:30,799
because there you go.

595
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:31,319
Speaker 2: I don't know.

596
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: This is a smaller and the smaller picture of it though.

597
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:37,240
Uh for what it was two name guys who were

598
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:39,640
at the end of their careers looking to hang on.

599
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: Sure they put on the line. They laid it on

600
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,799
the line in a ten round fight. They absolutely did.

601
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,039
Speaker 3: So when you combine that co feature and the entertainment

602
00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:53,000
value and the drama of watching Regis survive those hard moments.

603
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,880
And oh and I should also mention this was a

604
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,720
headbutt that happened early in the fight. Joseph Diaz bled

605
00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:59,359
like a stuck pig for most of the fight because

606
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,319
he got caught over the eye.

607
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,039
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the doctor, shall we can we go

608
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,079
over the check of the eye and the vision.

609
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 2: Can you go over that police for those?

610
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,039
Speaker 3: So meanwhile the blood is pouring down his face. The

611
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:13,000
cut happened early in the fight. He's wearing white trunks.

612
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,200
By the end of the fight is you know, you

613
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,039
think he's wearing pink trunks because there was so much bloodshed.

614
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:20,039
So I've got three different times during the fight they

615
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:22,480
took Jojo Diaz to the doctor, you know, like they

616
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,359
typically do the bell rings, they call time out and

617
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,279
they have the doctor come up onto the ring apron

618
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,000
to check them out and do the test. They did

619
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:31,279
it before the tenth round, at which point you're like,

620
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,240
you can't stop the fight. Now, they got three minutes

621
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,359
left in the you know, he's been just fine. And

622
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,000
there was two other times when when when they stopped it,

623
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,319
that stopped it, but you know what I mean, when

624
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:45,599
they went the doctor to check it out, and I

625
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,559
forget I think it was maybe before the sixth round.

626
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,359
You know that their sixth round started, they called the

627
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,440
time out. They bring Jojo Diaz over to the doctor.

628
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,079
The doctor covers one eye, which is typical when you're

629
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:56,720
doing this type of test to make sure he's got

630
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,000
a vision where the cut was, and they hold up

631
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,119
two fingers, one finger or whatever. Tell me how many

632
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:02,839
fingers get up. There's a very famous scene in that

633
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,440
Artaro Gotti fight from years ago in the corner when

634
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,640
he's fighting the incredible fight against Wilson Rodriguez, and he's

635
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,720
guessing because the corner, the cutman is tapping him on

636
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,400
the leg, how many fingers he's holding up? Jojo Diaz

637
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,359
doesn't even have anybody tapping him on the shoulder or

638
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,160
tapping him on the butter, tapping him on the leg.

639
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:22,400
And the doctors like, how many fingers I got up?

640
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,960
And he holds up two and Jojo says one wrong,

641
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:28,240
and then the doctor does it again and he guesses

642
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:32,240
the wrong number again. He holds doctors, what are we

643
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:32,759
doing here?

644
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,799
Speaker 2: What are we doing here? The ringside physician checking.

645
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: For vision, and he's over two on how many fingers

646
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:41,000
am I holding up?

647
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: And we let the fight go on.

648
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,839
Speaker 3: So that was in fact at the start of the

649
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,400
sixth round, but it was just absolutely ridiculous. So like

650
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,799
it's it's I mean, it's funny, yes, in a way,

651
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:53,640
but it's kind of fucked up because you're supposed to

652
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,519
be medical professionals. If the guy's if you're holding up

653
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,240
fingers and you're holding a finger or your hand over

654
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:00,680
the guy's eye and the.

655
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,119
Speaker 2: Other thing you see out of this eye.

656
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: And ye, and he can't tell you how many fingers

657
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,079
he has. Why are we letting the fight go on?

658
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:08,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? What are we doing here?

659
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:08,799
Speaker 3: On that?

660
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: They did?

661
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,799
Speaker 1: Let the fight go on again, I said just a

662
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:14,640
few moments ago, and it's worth repeating because we say

663
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,240
it frequently. Somebody's got to save these guys from themselves

664
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:19,839
at times. And that's a doctor, that's a referee, that's

665
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,920
their corner, people, family, whoever.

666
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:24,799
Speaker 2: On some of this and there, that's the doctor's job.

667
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,839
Speaker 3: Okay, So we already know, and we discussed this ahead

668
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:32,039
of time before the fight. Chicago is a great fight city,

669
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:33,960
but has not been a place for a big time

670
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,759
boxing for a number of years. This is by far

671
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,720
the biggest boxing show they've had in Chicago for a

672
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:42,039
number of years, at least that's the way it seems to.

673
00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:44,519
I mean, they've had some fights there, but it hasn't

674
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:46,000
been that many big fights, or I would have been

675
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,720
there more often than I had been. Here's the other problem.

676
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:50,839
So besides a doctor that apparently didn't know what the

677
00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:52,400
hell he was doing or she was.

678
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: Doing, it was a he in that case.

679
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,319
Speaker 3: Yes, how about the fourth round? They rang the bell

680
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,000
after two mins?

681
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:02,319
Speaker 2: And yes, we had a short, We had a short

682
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:03,440
and fourth round.

683
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: A two minute round. That's in a three minute round.

684
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,119
I understand that in women's boxing you might have a

685
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:08,799
two minute round. In men's boxing you do not have

686
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,720
two minute rounds, unless, of course, you're Mike Tyson fighting

687
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:14,920
against Jake Paul. But that was not under the situation

688
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,799
for this particular fight. So you got two major fuck

689
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,920
ups by the commission up there. You got a timekeeper

690
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,799
that doesn't know how to keep time, and you got

691
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:24,039
a doctor who apparently doesn't care if the page does

692
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:24,799
get the wrong answer.

693
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,039
Speaker 2: Not good, but how about them bears.

694
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: By the way, but overall horrific goal.

695
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: But by the way, that was also a heavyweight.

696
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: Uh you said you told us on the preview podcast

697
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,960
you were interested in seeing Joshua Edwards and speaking of

698
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,559
two minutes, not three minutes.

699
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:41,319
Speaker 2: It didn't take long.

700
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:43,839
Speaker 3: See. Yeah, so they had some they showed some of

701
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,799
the other undercard bouts, but the one that with me

702
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,400
was the most interesting, not because the matchup was just

703
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,519
to watch the further development if you can't even call

704
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,680
this development, because how quick it was of the Houston

705
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,839
heavyweight Joshua Edwards, who was the twenty twenty four US Olympian,

706
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:00,799
who had turned pro earlier this year, who was in

707
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:02,599
a six round schedule fight. He's now four to zero

708
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:05,519
with four knockouts. He faced the fighter named kaman Audi,

709
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,319
who was massively overmatched. He dropped him with a heavy

710
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,240
right hand and then just pummeled him with another right hand.

711
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,240
He didn't knock him down, but he knocked him like,

712
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,720
you know, sideways into the ropes and he just was

713
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:18,359
running for cover and the referee properly stopped the fight.

714
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,400
But again, the idea here is you're watching the continued

715
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,440
development of the probably other than Richard Torres, the best

716
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,440
young American up and coming heavyweight in a landscape that

717
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,920
doesn't have more than just a couple of guys in

718
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,440
that group. So, like I said in the pre fight,

719
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,079
and nothing has changed. Joshua Edwards as a fighter to

720
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,519
definitely keep an eye on, because if you like heavyweights,

721
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:44,359
there ain't a lot of American heavyweights. He's certainly in

722
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,920
his first four fights. I know you're not fighting top opponents,

723
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,039
but he is showing good knockout power. He seems to

724
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,720
have a good attitude. I thought his interview was well spoken,

725
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,799
and he's talking about not only being a monster on offense,

726
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:58,480
but making sure he you know, keeps on point on defense,

727
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,799
which is good. Also, he moves well. He's built in

728
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:04,759
a good way in terms of his you know, his

729
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,160
proportions for a heavyweight. So again, he's only twenty five

730
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,359
years old. There's plenty of time for development. Golden Boy.

731
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,880
You know, he's gonna probably have him on every show

732
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,319
the rest of this year. The idea is to get

733
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,720
him eight or ten fights this year. We'll see if

734
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:17,960
they can keep it up with as long as he

735
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,839
doesn't get injured. And so it took him all of

736
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:21,960
one minute and twenty nine seconds to get rid of

737
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,119
his most of the recent opponent. And I look forward

738
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:25,480
to watching him when he comes back in the ring

739
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:26,079
for the next fight.

740
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,839
Speaker 1: Speaking of looking forward, you did reference Todd Grisham, the

741
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,119
desone play by play broadcaster, a long time play by

742
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,799
play broadcaster with ESPN and also the WWE. We love

743
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,680
his boxing work. We look forward dan to having him

744
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,960
speaking of our YouTube page with us on a live

745
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,119
YouTube Q and a you and me catch up with him.

746
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,240
He worked the USIK Tyson Fury. I believe he worked

747
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,880
both fights. I gotta go back and double check. I

748
00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,200
know that he worked the second fight where was in

749
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,759
the second fight where Fury was hurt badly in the

750
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:04,680
ninth round. I believe that was the second fight. He

751
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,079
definitely worked that one, but he's been the main blow

752
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:08,400
by blow guy for a lot.

753
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: Actually thought that was the first fight where you got.

754
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: So it was the first fight. I think he worked

755
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,360
them both. But anyway, he's worked a lot of big

756
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,280
time fights. Most recently, I was around him for the

757
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,519
Jake Paul card.

758
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:20,159
Speaker 2: And he worked.

759
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm aware of that, and we were talking about

760
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,440
him earlier and I just said that. So we look

761
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,039
forward to talking with him about broadcasting some of these

762
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:30,519
fights and get his thoughts on what's going to be

763
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:34,320
taking place. He also worked the Canelo horrific fight with

764
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,400
William Skull all the way in Saudi Arabia too. While

765
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,079
we're at it, So again, Todd Grisham, do to be

766
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,800
with us. We're trying to work it out podcast audience

767
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,199
for one night this coming week Tuesday night, Wednesday night.

768
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,519
Keep it locked in on our social media and on

769
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,199
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770
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771
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772
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,480
of you have found the YouTube page. Continued find it,

773
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:03,360
you'll find more great content from us preview mode, recap mode,

774
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,239
et cetera on the Big Fight weekend, YouTube pitch stuff

775
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,320
like what we're about to go to. It's a podcast

776
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,559
exclusive though. First of all, here you are with us here,

777
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:15,360
as Dan has spoken in recent days with Terrence Crawford.

778
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,800
Crawford to fight Canelo Alvarez in Las Vegas in September.

779
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,639
Let's get to your conversation with the man that has

780
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:26,599
been undisputed twice at junior welterweight and at welterweight. He

781
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,800
is still currently comically the WBA junior middleweight champ. We'll

782
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,920
cover that again here in a little while.

783
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: That'll be that's just a matter.

784
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 2: Of semantics in time of when that happens.

785
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,559
Speaker 1: But any event, Bud Crawford right now with Dan on

786
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:40,599
the pod, here you go.

787
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: Well, it is my distinct pleasure to be joined on

788
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,639
our podcast by the one and only four division world champion,

789
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:48,719
one of the great pound for pound fighters in boxing today,

790
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:52,360
Terrence Bud Crawford. But it's really a pleasure to have

791
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,480
you on here. I know you have a very big

792
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:56,400
fight coming up. Probably the biggest of your career. You

793
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,679
gonna be challenging the undisputed super middweight world champion Canelo

794
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,880
Alba for that title. Will take place on September thirteenth

795
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:06,800
at Allegiant Stadium, their first ever stadium fight in Las Vegas.

796
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,400
Tickets are on sale. The fight is for all subscribers

797
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,559
on Netflix. A beautiful thing for fight fans. Welcome. And

798
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,039
I wanted to start off Terrence because this fight is

799
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,960
sort of taken on a life of its own, I

800
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,440
think among boxing fans. After you dominated and knocked out

801
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:27,800
Errol Spence, I wonder at what point did like this

802
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,480
become the focus of your goal of it to land

803
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,159
this fight against Canelo Auberts. At what point did you

804
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:34,119
say I want that guy?

805
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,599
Speaker 4: Well, this is big.

806
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 5: This is the biggest fight to be made in boxing

807
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:44,840
out of all the divisions. You know, Terrence Crawford versus Canelo,

808
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,000
you know, it don't get no bigger than that. So

809
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:52,239
that was a fight that I looked at, looked into

810
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,559
and said that could happen.

811
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,159
Speaker 4: You know, given the.

812
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 5: Likes that Jamel Charlie was able to go up and

813
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,119
you know, from one p. Fifty four and get the opportunity.

814
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,559
I felt like I was able to should be able

815
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,400
to get the opportunity as well.

816
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: So he wasn't really that into it when this when

817
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,519
you first started to talk about it and it kind

818
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:18,079
of became a thing on social media. You know, he

819
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:20,039
was asked about it many times. I asked him that

820
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:21,840
he was like, yeah, I'm not really interested in that fight.

821
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,599
And obviously now the fight is happening, So I wonder,

822
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,800
how how did you get Turkey to get into the

823
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,599
fight and how did you I feel like, you basically

824
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,480
will this fight into being How do you feel like

825
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:35,400
that happened? Like what changed? Obviously a lot of money

826
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,880
for him, but in getting it done, did it become reality?

827
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: Well, I think just me being serious about it. You know.

828
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 5: At first, you know, Turkey felt as if I should

829
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,039
fight somebody at one fifty four and you know, go

830
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,639
to try to become undisputed at one fifty four. But

831
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,000
those great those guys at one fifty four didn't really

832
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:02,719
too much do none for me or my career. So

833
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,519
why not go up and challenge myself and you know,

834
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:11,599
fight another all time great in Canila.

835
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 3: So I'm big into like the history of boxing. Besides

836
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,239
just following current boxing, and I look at the matchup Bud,

837
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,360
and I see, if you win, you become a five

838
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,639
division world champion, which is certainly a huge deal, and

839
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:25,039
there's not a lot of guys I've ever done that.

840
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,800
But what I look at is that if you win,

841
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:29,800
you become a four division lineal champion. You did it

842
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,639
at lightweight, you did it at junior welterweight, you did

843
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:35,480
it obviously at welterweight, and you won a title at

844
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,840
one fifty four, but it wasn't considered the lineal title.

845
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,880
If you beat Canelo Alvarez and you take away the

846
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,000
super middleweight underspeeded title, that'll be a fourth lineal championship.

847
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:46,440
There are only two other fighters in the history of

848
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,519
boxing that have accomplished that. That are those guys are

849
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:52,760
Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacya. And I wonder, in your

850
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:54,880
from your perspective, what would that mean to you to

851
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,679
join that is extraordinary elite company.

852
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 5: Well man, dang like you know, those are the two,

853
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:08,880
you know, uh, two great fighters that you know ever

854
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,079
laced up a pair of gloves. So to be in

855
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:16,719
a category with just them two and myself, it would be,

856
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,639
you know, something crazy to even think about you know,

857
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,639
it's crazy to even think about it right now, because

858
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,239
did you know that it was funny because we was

859
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,280
talking about it yesterday.

860
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: Okay, you know, we was talking about it yesterday.

861
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 5: And and it just was just like, dang, I can

862
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:39,400
make history, you know, as as as well as becoming

863
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,920
a three times undisputed you know, champion in three different

864
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,760
weight classes. You know, there's a lot riding on this

865
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,239
fight for me, you know, And yeah, of course, you know,

866
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,239
and we're looking forward to it now.

867
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: When I watched you and uh and Canelo do your

868
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:58,760
your press conferences in Ria and then you went to

869
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,440
New York City or Las Vegas, there's clearly, at least

870
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:03,719
the way I look, and I've watched a lot of

871
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,000
press conferences, clearly very healthy respect between the two of you.

872
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,119
You respect his accomplishments. I know he respects your accomplishments.

873
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:12,519
And there's been some friendliness, but there's also been a

874
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,440
little chippiness, which is good for any promotion. Especially he

875
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,159
seemed to downplay your resume in various interviews and at

876
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:21,159
the press conferences. How much does that irritate you because

877
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,119
you've accomplished a lot of the same things he's done with,

878
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,079
you know, championships and four weight classes, multiple undisputed titles

879
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,159
of that type of thing.

880
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 5: Well, it definitely irritated me because I can say so

881
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:36,199
much about you know, his resume and the guys he

882
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,480
fought at the time he fought and so forth.

883
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna do that, you know.

884
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,679
Speaker 5: I'd rather, you know, talk about him as a fighter

885
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,320
and forget all the other people that he fought before me,

886
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,719
because you know, at the end of the day, they

887
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,679
don't matter. Me and him got a fight. I'm not

888
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,079
fighting his resume. I'm not fighting the guys that he fought,

889
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:05,039
none of that. So I'd rather keep it straight about Canelo.

890
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,199
Speaker 3: Talk to me a little bit about the process to

891
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,199
the reshape your body. I mean, you obviously came into

892
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,159
the pros. Your first title was that lightweight. Now you're

893
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:17,119
going to be more than thirty pounds in terms of

894
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:21,320
the limit above that. You've looked good, I mean size

895
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,599
wise when I saw you at the press conferences and

896
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,599
that sort of thing. What is the process like to

897
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,039
to build yourself up to a solid one hundred and

898
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:32,119
sixty eight pounder or close to it, Because you've only

899
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:33,920
had the one fight even at one fifty four that

900
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,920
was your win against MATCHAMUF in August of last year.

901
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:41,039
Speaker 5: Well, I think just you know, not having a cut muscle,

902
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,039
I had to worry about making weight and struggle and

903
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:46,840
things like that.

904
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:50,679
Speaker 4: I think, you know, as you.

905
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 5: Get older, your body naturally grows, you know, but if

906
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:57,480
you're not letting it grow, because your body want to grow,

907
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:00,199
especially when you work out a lot, you know, but

908
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,920
you hinder in it to grow the time that you do,

909
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:04,400
let it do what it do.

910
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:09,039
Speaker 4: You know, this is the this part of the process

911
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,400
that we have.

912
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:12,639
Speaker 3: But they're going to take. What I wonder though, is

913
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,719
there special things you're I wonder is there special stuff

914
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,679
you're doing? I give you an example when Bart Hopkins

915
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,880
moved up from middleweight to light heavyweight. Okay, he went

916
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,679
way above the women and then cut down to one

917
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,760
seventy five. You're not doing anything like that.

918
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 5: No, no, not at all, not at all. So we

919
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,239
definitely eat more, you know, we definitely eat more. We

920
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,400
we're definitely trying to put peck, you know, more muscle,

921
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,039
but not too much muscle.

922
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: So so when you when the fight comes about and

923
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:47,559
I think back, we mentioned many Packett with all the

924
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:49,719
lineal titles. When he went up and fought at junior

925
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,320
middleweight against Antonio Margarito, he came in way under the

926
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,920
contract women. Contract limit for the fifty four pound title

927
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,840
was like one hundred and fifty for that fight, but

928
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,599
he came in barely over one hundred and forty four pounds.

929
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,960
Is your intention to bulk all the way up to

930
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,079
one sixty eight or is it to maybe come in

931
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:06,880
a little bit under to maintain the great speed that

932
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,360
Terren Scowford has.

933
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:11,119
Speaker 4: I don't know. We shall see, we gotta, we gotta,

934
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,559
you know, a little bit under.

935
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:17,119
Speaker 5: Too muchs to figure that out, and then you know,

936
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,719
we'll make the best solution for find that.

937
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,679
Speaker 3: I want to also ask you, Terrence, about the fact

938
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:25,559
that this fight's on Netflix not a pay per view

939
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:28,079
search charge. If you subscribe to Netflix the way people

940
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,320
would subscribe to other things and they just watch it

941
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,719
as part of their regular subscription. That seems to me anyway,

942
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,320
as a boxing fan, that's an awesome thing to have

943
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,960
a fight of this magnitude, a fight of this high quality, caliber, historical,

944
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:42,159
all the things we can discuss about it, that it

945
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:44,880
is not an extra search charge. I wonder your perspective

946
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,599
because you've had a few pay per view fights. Obviously

947
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:48,440
you had the Arrow Spence was your big one on

948
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:51,039
pay per view. But what do you think is that

949
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,880
how good it is or your perspective? Have is available

950
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:56,840
to the masses with them out without having to pay

951
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,800
extra money for it, but you guys still getting paid

952
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,400
a lot of money.

953
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,519
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's gonna be great, you know.

954
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 5: I think boxing is moving towards, you know, moving away

955
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,320
from pay per view, and I think it's a good

956
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,480
thing because a lot of people, you know, with the

957
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,159
privacy and stealing fights and things like that, I think

958
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:20,239
that's you know, killed the pay per view. So you know,

959
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,440
I think giving it to the masses that have the

960
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:28,239
app and things like that will be the next beat

961
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,679
sting for not only.

962
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,519
Speaker 4: The fans, but for the for the sport of boxing.

963
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:39,519
Speaker 5: You know, when you look at the bigger sports, you know,

964
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,920
I won't say bigger sports, I would say the other

965
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:48,679
sports like NBA, NFL. They on Prime TV, you know,

966
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,119
where you know, you don't have to pay a subscription

967
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,599
or or pay for pay per view to see them play.

968
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:59,480
I think, you know, if we can get back to that,

969
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,039
I think boxing to be, you know, back where it

970
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:03,480
used to be back in the days.

971
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: Well, certainly it seems to be working in those little spots.

972
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,119
At Netflix's pick to do its thing because they had

973
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,559
huge audience for their Jake Paul Mike Tyson event. They

974
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,800
had record type of audience for women's sports when they

975
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,119
did the recent Katie Taylor at Amanda Toronto. So having

976
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:19,599
you guys, you know, it was going to be a

977
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:23,079
huge thing for them. When I was looking over your

978
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:25,440
record just sort of refreshed myself. I realized, you know,

979
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,320
you've only had a one fight for the last per year,

980
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,039
you know, between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, one

981
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,559
fight per year, And I wonder is that by designed

982
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:35,400
for you or is that a matter of like you

983
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:37,239
just decided I'm going to be a once a year fighter.

984
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,039
I'm making good money, I'll pick my spots. Or were

985
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,000
you preferring to be a little more active.

986
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 5: Well, I would definitely would have liked to fight fight

987
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:50,119
more and would have been more active, But given the

988
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:54,480
circumstances that I had with my contract and then the

989
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:58,599
circumstances with Spence, we had a rematch clause and that

990
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,840
was dragged out for a year and then turned out

991
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:07,239
that the rematch wasn't gonna happen, and trying to get

992
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,119
an opponent and fighting you know, Magic Mov because I

993
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:14,119
was trying to fight front Door and they didn't want

994
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:16,559
to fight me then, so I had to go to

995
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,320
Plan B and figure out who I was gonna fight,

996
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,559
and then you know, we end up fighting magicum offten

997
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,599
after that, it wasn't it wasn't really nothing for me,

998
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,880
you know, so we was just still working on a

999
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:31,519
Canelo fight.

1000
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,599
Speaker 4: So now we're here, and you know, we're gonna be

1001
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:35,159
ready for it.

1002
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,639
Speaker 3: He turned thirty eight years old two weeks after the fight.

1003
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,320
You're you're actually older than him, even though he's got

1004
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,280
a lot more fights in you. This is gonna be

1005
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,559
by far your biggest fight in terms of the profile,

1006
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,920
what it could do for your legacy with the victory, certainly,

1007
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,360
I would imagine your bank account so any and he's

1008
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,000
not getting any younger either, And I sort of think about, like,

1009
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:57,760
is this sort of the end game if you will?

1010
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,800
Do you do you think about retirement when this is over,

1011
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,800
whatever the outcome is, or are there more fights left

1012
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:03,920
in Terrence Scrufford.

1013
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,199
Speaker 5: Oh man, this this is definitely a question that everybody

1014
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:12,519
keep asking. Not tell him all the same thing. You know,

1015
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,519
we don't know, you know, one fight at a time.

1016
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:18,679
Let's see how this fight go. Maybe, you know, I'll

1017
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:21,039
go back down on one fifty four and try to

1018
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:22,000
become undisputed.

1019
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:26,079
Speaker 4: Maybe I love to do a rematch. Who knows, you know.

1020
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,039
Speaker 5: Right now, we just focus on the task at hand,

1021
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:31,199
and that's Canela well understood.

1022
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: I just did a couple more questions for you, Bud,

1023
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,440
and that is in terms of Canelo. I look at

1024
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,760
it and even though we all know he's a great fighter,

1025
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,639
he really hasn't had what I think people would view

1026
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:44,079
as a really impressive performance since twenty twenty one. That's

1027
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,639
when he knocked out Kayla Plant to become the undisputed

1028
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,480
champion at one sixty four the first time. And you know,

1029
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:51,400
he's still been winning most of his fights. He did

1030
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,199
have the loss that light heavyweight to demetri people. But

1031
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,920
I look more in particular to the last fight he

1032
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,840
had in May against William scup Oh through barely and

1033
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,320
he punches, was not able to put on any kind

1034
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,719
of hurt on williams cull whatsoever in that fight. It

1035
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,559
was a dreadful fight on top of that, and being honest,

1036
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:10,440
as much as I love Canela look pretty bad in

1037
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,480
that fight. And I wonder when you look at that performance,

1038
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,639
If you have looked at that performance, what is your

1039
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,599
view about what he has left? Or maybe was he

1040
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,880
just disinterested for whatever reason? Because Skull wasn't a big name.

1041
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,760
The fight was at six thirty in the morning, you

1042
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,840
know in Saudi Arabia, where maybe people were a little

1043
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,480
sleepy and so it didn't have that kind of crowd enthusiasm.

1044
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:30,679
What's your take on that he's got. By the way,

1045
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,880
I'll mention this as an amazing stat I mean, even

1046
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,039
though you're older than he is, he has five hundred

1047
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,840
and twenty pro rounds, more than double what you have,

1048
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,159
which is two hundred and forty five.

1049
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 5: I think it was just him being frustrated because Skull

1050
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,719
wouldn't fight to fight day. He wanted to fight, and

1051
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:53,679
you know he was just either irritated or bored. I

1052
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,360
just think styles many fights at the end of the day.

1053
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,159
Speaker 3: All right, Just I'll wrap up with this. I know,

1054
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:02,000
having covered your career for a very long time, you're

1055
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,199
always confident going into your fights. I know you have

1056
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:06,199
the full expectation to be the winner of this fight.

1057
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,519
He has never been knocked down in his career. He

1058
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:12,840
has never been stopped. Before you fought Magic Mav, you

1059
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,079
had stopped eleven opponents in a row. Granted they were

1060
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:17,719
in the smaller weight classes. But I'm wondering, is it

1061
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,760
do you think about when you look at the fight

1062
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,199
and the way you feel le will unfold it is

1063
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,679
a knockout, which would be an amazing feat for you.

1064
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:27,280
Is that something that you even think about getting in

1065
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:27,679
this fight.

1066
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,159
Speaker 5: I'm gotta knock him out. I just got to beat them.

1067
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:32,599
You know, everybody getting hyped on a knockout.

1068
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 4: I'm not hyped on it.

1069
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:34,679
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering. You're tho.

1070
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 5: I understand, but I don't never go in none of

1071
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,960
my fights looking for a knockout. You know, if it come,

1072
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:42,119
and come, if it don't. You know, as long as

1073
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:44,199
I get the victory, that's all that matters.

1074
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I will look forward to watching your

1075
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,039
efforts and getting that victory. You can pull it off, Terrence.

1076
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:51,639
I appreciate your time and I really wish you a

1077
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:55,320
lot of good luck in the fight. September thirteenth, Sure, all.

1078
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,119
Speaker 1: Right, you were very privately. You were bully on this.

1079
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,880
You said, Hey, Terce Crawford was really good. I agree

1080
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,960
with you there on the conversation. We're still what about

1081
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,480
six weeks five, six weeks out from fight week coming up,

1082
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,199
but your impressions having seen him and talked to him,

1083
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,000
here as everybody's to fight.

1084
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 3: Kenel Laubres spurious minded, locked in for the fight. You

1085
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,519
know he was in when I spoke to him. When

1086
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,679
I spoke to him, I was in Las Vegas still

1087
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,960
right before the Pacquiao fight. He was in training camp

1088
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:31,159
in Colorado Springs, And as he said at one point

1089
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,639
in the interview, there's a lot of riding on this fight.

1090
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,400
He knows it. You know, he's going to be a

1091
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,760
first ballot Hall of Famer. He's gonna make a huge

1092
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,199
amount of money for this fight. He's already made a

1093
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,320
lot of money in recent fights. But he understands the

1094
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:45,960
magnitude that's at stake in terms of the history for

1095
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,280
his legacy. Okay, money is great, and it's how you

1096
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,320
support your family, and he's got a whole lot of

1097
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,880
kids and all that, but he's cognizant of the history

1098
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,840
of boxing. He understands what is at stake. Here he

1099
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,519
can become a four belt champion in a third different

1100
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:03,440
weight class, which obviously is unprecedented at this point. He

1101
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:06,480
can become uh A in this we had the conversation

1102
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,760
at this part, but also win a lineal title in

1103
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,920
a fourth weight class, which has only happened two other

1104
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,360
times in the history of boxing, by Manny Paco and

1105
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,320
Floyd Mayweather. Because he was lineal champion at lightweight, he's

1106
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,480
lineal champion at junior welterweight, lineal champion at welterweight, and

1107
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:24,559
obviously he beats Kenilloavers to become on disputed that's another

1108
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:27,400
weight class. So he's won titles uh in four divisions.

1109
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,039
He can win a title in a fifth division, also

1110
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:32,159
a big deal. But to be lineal in four that

1111
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,400
that to me is even bigger than the five in

1112
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,480
terms of overall weight classes. So he understands it. So

1113
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,039
when I hear a lot of fighters you hear I

1114
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:41,280
can't tell you how many times you know that I've

1115
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,079
I've heard fighters say this going into huge fights, just

1116
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:47,239
another fight, just taking like another fight. I was really

1117
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,920
happy to hear the Crawford understands and is willing to

1118
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,559
say so out loud exactly that there's a lot riding

1119
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:56,000
on this one. I get and I'm that really that

1120
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,559
that that excites me when the fighter acknowledges there's a

1121
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:01,880
lot right on the fight. Obviously we know that, but

1122
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,440
to hear the athletes say it to me, it bring

1123
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,760
it to another level. We got you know, you gotta

1124
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,199
you gotta take the gamble if he loses. Nobody should

1125
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:12,840
disrespect Terrence Crawford. He's taking the gamble against one of

1126
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,679
the all time greats who's two way classes bigger than him.

1127
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: And you would you would be the one to speak

1128
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,840
to this because you're a Hall of Fame voter, You've

1129
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,320
been doing it for a long time. But truthfully, has

1130
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,199
Terrence Crawford had a moment where he's fought another lock

1131
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,760
certain future Hall of Famer? I know the Spence and

1132
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,800
anniversary is two years ago, but can we say right

1133
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,679
now that Errol Spence is a lock certain Hall of Famer?

1134
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't think so.

1135
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,639
Speaker 3: So there's there's a couple of ways I look at it. Okay,

1136
00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:42,639
certain guys, you don't have to even like look at

1137
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,000
the resume. I don't need to like go search and

1138
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:47,559
do homework. I know, if I'm voting for Manny pack Hour,

1139
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,320
that's Lloyd Mayweather or Oscar de la Hoyd or.

1140
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,679
Speaker 1: In the present Canelo or usik As two examples of

1141
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,039
Crawford or Crawford or Crawford.

1142
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:58,119
Speaker 3: But the thing about is the way you build your

1143
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:01,719
Hall of fame, candidacy, your resume. If you will, sometimes

1144
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,760
it's because you beat a lot of Hall of famers.

1145
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,840
I mean, Pacyao and Floyd, for example, have beaten tons

1146
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,719
of Hall of famers. Pacyao beat many of the Hall

1147
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,679
of famers that he beat when they were at their

1148
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,400
best or still in their primes. Whereas you know, a

1149
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,360
lot of guys have great names on the resume, but

1150
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,679
didn't necessarily beat them when they were at their abstute best.

1151
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,079
Now Crawford is in a situation where again it's not

1152
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:23,400
his fault. It wasn't like he was avoiding guys, but

1153
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,000
he doesn't have the caliber of names on the record. Yes,

1154
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:29,639
he won titles in a lot of the weight classes,

1155
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,880
but for example, when he became undisputed at one forty,

1156
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:36,559
and again not Crawford's fault, he beat Julius and Dongo

1157
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:39,239
who was undefeated, but was in the right place at

1158
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,280
the right time. Let's just be honest. And Dongo never

1159
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,559
did anything of real serious caliber. And you know, he

1160
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:48,519
just got he was in the right position, and Crawford

1161
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:50,639
obviously took advantage of it and fought him for the

1162
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:52,280
undisputed And by the way, I was there that night

1163
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,159
and Lincoln, Nebraska was an unbelievable crowd and a very

1164
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,519
very special night to watch him do what he did

1165
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,039
and just destroy and to go but again, and don

1166
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:02,960
go forget about being a Hall of Famer. Won't even

1167
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,239
be on the ballot. So you asked yourself the other guy.

1168
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,559
So there's two ways to do it. You either beat

1169
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:10,719
the superstar other Hall of Fame guys, or you just

1170
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,119
rack up one win after the other. I remember having

1171
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,480
a conversation years ago with Shelley Finkel when he was

1172
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:19,880
managing of Vladimir Klitchkow, and Klitchkow was in a real

1173
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:23,920
pickle because he was a dominating heavyweight champion, but there

1174
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,280
were not big names to fight. You know, he was

1175
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,719
trying to find a big fight. He says to me

1176
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,039
one time, I'm paraphrasing, you know, what can we do?

1177
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,960
You know we can't there's no big name for us

1178
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,360
to fight right now. Joshua wasn't a thing. You know.

1179
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,920
This is before Fury had emerged, and obviously he ultimately

1180
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,320
lost the theory. This is like when he was doing

1181
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,880
his thing as in his second title reign, winning every

1182
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,039
single round much less you know the fights himself, I said,

1183
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:47,599
the only thing you can do is just line them

1184
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:50,199
up and knock them down. And he just went and systematically,

1185
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,199
one after the other after the other, all the top

1186
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,639
names that were available to him, whether you liked them

1187
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,119
or you didn't, he just beat everybody easily. And that's

1188
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,599
what Terrence Crawford has done primarily, is whoever was there,

1189
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,840
he's beating them and doing so in a decisive manner.

1190
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,920
There are not fights that you can look at in

1191
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,639
Terrence Crawford. Is there a single fight off the top

1192
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:10,000
of my head. I can't think of a single one

1193
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:11,920
where you would look at the results say, well, you know,

1194
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,960
maybe he didn't really win that one. No, because he's

1195
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,480
either knocking the guys out or he's winning decisively on

1196
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:20,039
the scorecards. And the Arrow Spence one was. You know,

1197
00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:21,440
if there is a Hall of Famer on his.

1198
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:24,559
Speaker 1: That's the most accomplished guy, and he destroyed him.

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00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 3: And I do think that as time goes by and

1200
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,760
when Arrow becomes eligible and people do their homework and

1201
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,079
look back, you know, his resume and his career will age. Well.

1202
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,760
It's not that loss was terrible, not the loss the self,

1203
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,440
but the way that it happened was a rough way

1204
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,199
to go. But Arrow was a very accomplished fighter. He'd

1205
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:44,440
did a lot of good guys. That's the only loss

1206
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,679
of his career. He was United States.

1207
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,519
Speaker 1: But you wouldn't say at this moment he's locked certain.

1208
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:52,400
He certainly wasn't lock certain before the Crawford, before the

1209
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,440
Crawford on his Puti fight. And the only point I'm

1210
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,719
making is you're about to fight one of the all

1211
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,280
timers of the last twenty five.

1212
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 2: Years plus who is a lock certain Hall of famer.

1213
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,039
That's the point. That's what you're saying. He knows that

1214
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:06,920
he knows what's at.

1215
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,519
Speaker 1: Stake, and we got plenty of time to go back

1216
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:11,960
and forth, because I'm going to have plenty on what

1217
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,840
are we doing here that he is moving up to

1218
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,599
fight it. But that's for down the road, that's for

1219
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:17,840
fight time, fight week, and when we get to all

1220
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:18,599
of that's it was good.

1221
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,519
Speaker 2: It was good to have you with Terrence.

1222
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: Crawford there, we will say to the audience here on

1223
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:27,559
pod You can see that interview coming up later on

1224
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:29,960
the YouTube page, but you heard it here first.

1225
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: On the podfeed. We do a good job of hopping.

1226
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: Back and forth with exclusives on our There is actually

1227
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,880
a method to what we're doing here on our podcasts

1228
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,960
and our YouTube features and things that we have.

1229
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 2: All Right, a couple of fight news items.

1230
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: I know that the Matchroom and de Zonne fight cards

1231
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:51,519
are being rolled out now for September and October coming up.

1232
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:55,559
What stands out here for you out of what we

1233
00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:58,480
have in the coming months here in the fall in

1234
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:00,400
particular form into.

1235
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 3: His own Well, like you said, they announced four shows.

1236
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:05,119
Two of them will take place on September sixth, one

1237
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:08,119
on October eleventh, one on October seventeenth, and they'll have

1238
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:10,639
other shows also. And this does not include, for example,

1239
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,039
the card they already had previously announced, which is the

1240
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,920
vacant IBF welterweight title fight that will take place in Ireland,

1241
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,960
the rematch between was it Lewis Crocker, So that's already

1242
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,400
on the schedule, But these are just the new ones

1243
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,360
that they just announced in the last few days. For me,

1244
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:30,760
it's sort of very middling, to be quite honest, but

1245
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,800
for the British fans it's probably a bigger deal. So

1246
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,320
it's very British oriented. Three of the four cards are

1247
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,920
UK fights, so one of them is the first one,

1248
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,679
kicking off September sixth. The main event is Pat Pat McCormick,

1249
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:43,039
who's seven to zero hot, hot up and comer in

1250
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:45,039
the UK but a little older at age thirty, but

1251
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:47,199
well known because he won the silver medal for Great

1252
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:50,360
Britain and the delayed twenty twenty Olympics, so he's going

1253
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,400
to headline on that particular show. He'll be taken on

1254
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,599
Miguel Para, not a guy with a lot of experience,

1255
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,199
but you know we've talked about him many times. This

1256
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,559
is Matt Room taking one of the touted brit fighters

1257
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:06,000
and bringing in a pretty unknown Mexican and we already

1258
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:07,960
know the story there most a lot of times.

1259
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:10,599
Speaker 2: It has not gone well several times.

1260
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: Correct, yeah, correct, So that that will kick off their

1261
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,760
day on September the sixth, and then later after that

1262
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,239
show they'll shift the cameras and the action to Los Moyches, Mexico,

1263
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:25,760
where the newly crowned IBF Junior lightweight champion Eduardo Sugar Nunias,

1264
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:27,920
who was so exciting in such a heavy end. It

1265
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,239
has just won that title that was vacant in Japan

1266
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,280
a few weeks ago, a month or so ago. So

1267
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,159
he's taken on the well traveled Christopher Diaz from Puerto Rico.

1268
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:40,119
So it's Mexico versus Puerto Rico. DSS challenged for the

1269
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:42,639
title in the past and come up a little bit short.

1270
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,199
So that's that's a home fight for Nunias. Then they

1271
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:49,480
come back on October eleven. Now this this is just

1272
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:52,519
one of these like rubber necking kind of fights. You

1273
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:55,639
gotta watch it. It doesn't mean anything. It's not the

1274
00:58:55,679 --> 00:58:57,800
guy's not gonna fight for the heavyweight title. It's not

1275
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,280
poundful bat but it just has the chance to be

1276
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,079
a massive train wreck, big knockout, slobber knock or type

1277
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,000
of fight. And that's the very popular, beloved David Allen

1278
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,320
who was sort of reborn a little bit against arslen

1279
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,960
Beck Machmdouf, who is a big, strapping fighter with no chin,

1280
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,039
with heavy punching power. Like I said, to one of

1281
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:19,760
the matchroom people I was talking about, I said, that

1282
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,119
fight is just crazy, and it was the way it

1283
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:24,639
was discovered. It's a mad fight, I guess mad. That's

1284
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:28,880
like a British thing. And we both were pretty much

1285
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,320
of the agreement that, you know, don't get up and

1286
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,840
go take a leak or get a beer because the

1287
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,960
fight can be over in like a minute or less,

1288
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,320
I mean, or or around or two. I mean it's

1289
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,559
a type of fight where don't go in thinking we're

1290
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:42,039
seeing the sweet signs. Someone's getting drilled in that fight.

1291
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,119
Who knows how long it will take. In the immortal

1292
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:48,840
words of Don King, how long. Not long? But uh yeah,

1293
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,880
so there's that as the main event. So that'll be fun.

1294
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,199
It doesn't mean a whole lot, but whatever. And then, uh,

1295
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,840
this is the terms for the for the British uh for

1296
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,320
the British boxing scene, if you will. This is sort

1297
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,320
of a pretty decent but you got Kiaren Conway taking

1298
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,000
on the young up and coming George Littard. It's for

1299
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,199
Conway's British and Commonwealth middleweight titles. In terms of the

1300
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:12,280
British scene, this is a good matchup of those of

1301
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,599
that level fighter see if somebody can take the next up.

1302
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,679
Certainly the first big test of Lizard's career. He's undefeated

1303
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,360
at the moment, hasn't been pro for that long, and

1304
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,440
so that again, if you're a British boxing fan, that

1305
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,239
may have a bunch of attractive doubts for you. Otherwise,

1306
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,480
you know, maybe not so much. I am interested to

1307
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:32,559
watch Sugar Nunyas. I think he's a dynamite fighter, always exciting.

1308
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:35,800
Christopher Diez may not be at the top level anymore,

1309
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,519
but always comes to fight and will definitely give an effort.

1310
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:41,079
I don't know how long he's gonna last against Sugar Nunyas.

1311
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:45,880
And for rubber necking purposes, you know, David Allen against Machmandouve.

1312
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,760
You know that's that's that's carnage right there.

1313
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:49,679
Speaker 4: All right.

1314
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:54,039
Speaker 1: And one other news item, and that is Queensberry has

1315
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:57,719
a couple of light heavyweights, including the prominent British light

1316
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,840
heavyweight Joshua Bwatzi that they've announced that they brought on board.

1317
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,480
And what about the other fighter they brought on board

1318
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:02,840
as well?

1319
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 3: They signed a Bwazi and they also signed the European

1320
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,800
champion Bradley Reya, who is coming off having won that title.

1321
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,760
Both of them had been with other companies. Biazzi obviously

1322
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,440
is the bigger name. He had at one point at

1323
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:17,039
the WBO's interim title at light heavyweight. He was an

1324
01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:21,599
Olympian and received a medal. He's been with pretty much

1325
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:23,639
Everybody's been with Mattroom, He's been with Queens He's down

1326
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:26,679
with Queensberry. He had been with Boxer, He's been around

1327
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:30,239
the block Boxer. His actit from Boxer was like everybody

1328
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,760
sort of knew that was happening, and the rumors and

1329
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,920
the reporting that he was going to sign with Queensberry

1330
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:38,440
was as common knowledge as anything in the business. But

1331
01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:41,360
now they made it official and so you know, Queensberry

1332
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,360
is one of the premier promoters between in terms of

1333
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,840
Britain and really the world, between them and Matroom. They

1334
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,679
have signed Bowazzi. They have signed Bradley Reya, who is

1335
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,000
Biwazzi's nineteen and one with thirteen knockouts. Ray is twenty

1336
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:57,280
one and one with twenty one and one with ten knockouts.

1337
01:01:57,519 --> 01:02:00,880
Scored a decision victory over Shakan pitter H in his

1338
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,920
last fight in June to win the vacant European title,

1339
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,000
and so between those two guys, they also promote Willie Hutchinson.

1340
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:09,599
They obviously had been involved with the big cards that

1341
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,360
have taken place in Saudi Arabia that involved Better b

1342
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,599
Of and Bevil. They're looking to line up guy, you know,

1343
01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:18,440
because once once that third fight between Bivil and Better

1344
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,679
Bam is over, and we're still not sure exactly where

1345
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:22,559
that or when that's going to take place, but the

1346
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:25,519
division probably will open up because mandatories will be called,

1347
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:27,960
titles will be stripped, titles will become vacant, and then

1348
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,039
and they're hoping to put these type of guys Biwazzi,

1349
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,159
uh and and and and Ray in position to fight

1350
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:36,960
for these I mean uh Biwazzi's only loss was a

1351
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,239
fantastic fight against Callum Smith, who is a former champion.

1352
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,920
So the point is the light heavyweight division there's some

1353
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,519
action there and they're they're they're lining things up to

1354
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:48,280
make sure they've got two of the better contenders uh

1355
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,000
under their banner. And and Buatzi and and Ray are

1356
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:52,039
are two of those guys.

1357
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: And Biwatzi lost that fight to Callum Smith and it

1358
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:57,800
was on the undercard of the Better be Bevil rematch.

1359
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,239
I believe in February earlier this year. Ye.

1360
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:00,599
Speaker 2: So.

1361
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:04,079
Speaker 3: And also and in terms of that particular fight, that

1362
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:08,280
was a spectacular fight, I mean, a tremendous battle. And also,

1363
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:09,840
and I don't think this is out of the realm

1364
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,880
of possibility. He's with Queensberry.

1365
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:12,079
Speaker 4: Now.

1366
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 3: Queensberry also is the promoter of Willie Hutchinson, and he

1367
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,480
has a very close decision against Willy Hutchinson. That was

1368
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,519
a majority decision. And so again I don't think it's

1369
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:23,239
gonna And that was for the interim title. This was

1370
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:25,960
back in twenty twenty four. At some point, you know,

1371
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:29,400
doing a rematching Wawatsee and Willie Hutchinson would seem to

1372
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:34,440
make sense, both in terms of titles, fan interest, excitement,

1373
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,920
and some sort of stakes. So I think that's a

1374
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,960
possibility down the road. But anyway, two good signings for Queensberry,

1375
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,480
who's you know, been out there looking to sign guys.

1376
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:49,639
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff all throughout the pod here in

1377
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:53,440
the recap mode, as well as hearing from Terrence Crawford.

1378
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:56,639
Well remind you again to follow and subscribe on Applespreaker,

1379
01:03:56,639 --> 01:04:00,880
Spotify for this pod. Here also find our YouTube page.

1380
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,599
We are efforting. It is not one hundred percent, but

1381
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,440
we're efforting off of calling the fights in Chicago to

1382
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,000
have Todd Grisham.

1383
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:09,199
Speaker 2: With us on the YouTube page.

1384
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for that, we believe either Tuesday or Wednesday night,

1385
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,920
as we released this podcast Sunday night into Monday. Stay

1386
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,320
tuned for that live. You'll be able to interact with us,

1387
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,920
ask him questions, et cetera. We're gonna do a little

1388
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,360
more of this here as the summer wears on and

1389
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:28,639
we head to Canelo Crawford coming in September. Other than that,

1390
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,880
are we good coming off the weekend here now for August?

1391
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,239
Speaker 2: Are we good? Big Dan?

1392
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: We are good, and we just have to see what

1393
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,280
happens this week. Is it's going to be a slow

1394
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:36,800
week on.

1395
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little lighter week on the action this week,

1396
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:41,280
but we're getting creative and we thank everybody. We are

1397
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,239
very appreciative of all of you being with us. By

1398
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,920
the thousands and thousands, there were tens of thousands of

1399
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,119
you that listened and watched to everything.

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01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:51,239
Speaker 2: That we were doing in July.

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01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: Tens of thousands, I'm not exaggerating here in the metrics

1402
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,800
that we see, so thank you, Thank you for finding us. However,

1403
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,360
and wherever you find us on the pod feed and

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,800
also go on that Big Fight Weekend YouTube page. We're

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reminiscing about Mike Tyson becoming undisputed heavyweight champion recently on

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that YouTube page Salvador Sanchez's final fight. We com miserate

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on all kinds of things there again, previews recaps all.

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Speaker 2: Of it on the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page.

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Speaker 1: Now we're good on the podcast feed for a big

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Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ Reeves. This is the Fight

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