WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.680 All right, here we are welcome everyone to the Hard 2 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:08.039 Foundation bonus episode. I am your moderator here, smart Mark Sterling. 3 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:13.839 I am joined by the interviewees, first of the Thrill 4 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:15.640 Zone brand. 5 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:18.839 Former Deep South Wrestling, two time tag team Champion of 6 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:23.280 the World Brian Majors. 7 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:25.559 And I am a two time Deep South Tag Team 8 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:27.519 champion and one time or was it two times? 9 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:28.320 One time? 10 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:32.640 That's right, I didn't know that. Oh yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, 11 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:36.079 you guys never had a single anything. You never had 12 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:36.840 a single anything. 13 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:40.359 I wrestled uh Matt Striker, but it might have been 14 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:41.439 a dark match on Deep. 15 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:42.280 Out and wrestled. 16 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.679 I wrestled Lawrence Tyler, won a singles remember that some 17 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:49.520 random That's the first time I ever beat anyone with 18 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:50.159 the elbow drop. 19 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:52.640 And then that one time in OVW were you a 20 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:55.000 juggle for the wrist tape? I had to wrestle with 21 00:00:55.039 --> 00:01:00.439 someone in a singles. 22 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.759 Somebody they like took you have the show because you. 23 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:04.760 Got because he said, is the risk tape? It's a itane. 24 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:04.959 You know. 25 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:06.840 We talked about the last episode which you have to 26 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:09.959 listen to, where Brian said, oh, I'm taping up my 27 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:11.079 risk is my wrist is hurt. 28 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:12.519 Oh yours? But you can't wrestle that. 29 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:16.319 Oh that's like I said, and I just went, okay, 30 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:18.560 well then, like I don't even think I was allowed 31 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:20.359 to manage you, like you just went out and work 32 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:21.719 last second. 33 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.159 Wow, just being a dick and me being a dick back, 34 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:26.280 So whatever. 35 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.680 All right, So full disclosure, this is part two of 36 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.000 the developmental podcast. 37 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:35.200 Now we it was that Alan Robert. It was Robert. 38 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:37.799 Robert didn't have that power. It was Al definitely so 39 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:40.799 al Al. So he was saying, oh. 40 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:43.120 You're hurt, then I guess you're off the show, okay, 41 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:45.640 And this is like the that's the night we were 42 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:47.719 like the popcorn match. I want to say intermission, the 43 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:50.079 night where I cussed yes at. 44 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:51.560 Robert Gibson where I took up the tape and I 45 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:53.560 said like, funck this, this is fucking bullshites And. 46 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:55.560 He said I cursed that m like he cussed me. 47 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:58.840 He made a team Like I said, fuck you, Robert Gibson. 48 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.079 That's not what I said. I said, like this is 49 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:04.040 bullshit or this is fucking something like that, totally out 50 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:07.439 of so. Anyway, I wrestled cod this past week like 51 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:09.680 I was in the ray was set up. It was 52 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:12.120 such a weird convention because of COVID and stuff like that. 53 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:14.879 It was like a hotel, like almost like a hotel lobby. 54 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:17.599 And then they in their different rooms that people are 55 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.159 in and the room next to me, alse though is 56 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:22.080 in it, and the color Elbow guys are in it. 57 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.800 And like, I love Colin, I don't dislike Al at all. 58 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:28.479 I have no ill will towards Al, but like I didn't. 59 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:31.520 Even want to walk in and say hello, right, we're 60 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:32.000 not friends. 61 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:35.479 That's funny because like, I don't know if I saw 62 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:38.479 him a couple of years ago, maybe it was New 63 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:41.280 Orleans or some I think the first wrestling in New Orleans. 64 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:43.039 He was at a bar and I went up and 65 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.120 said hello, and I wasn't sure if he was gonna, 66 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.280 like still not be nice to me. 67 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:49.520 But he was very nice. Oh, he was very nice 68 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:49.719 to me. 69 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:51.000 And he knew who you were. 70 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:55.240 Yes, I listen. Growing up, I was a huge Al 71 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:55.800 snow fan. 72 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:56.960 Oh yeah, hell yeah me too. 73 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.479 And then you watched Tough Enough and he's so nice. 74 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:03.479 He's like the you know, like the good the good cop, 75 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:05.280 you know, and I'm like, I can't wait for him 76 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:06.960 to be my coach, Oobie W. 77 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.599 And it was the complete opposite, and he was like tough. 78 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:12.639 So what we always heard, and this was the rumor 79 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:15.400 in innuendo, is that al was like the best and 80 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:18.000 then he ECW that FAKEW was back on TV and 81 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:19.840 they brought him in. He was basically like an enhancement guy, 82 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.560 but he was talent, so he was coach and talent. 83 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:25.120 Then they made these like cuts, A bunch of people 84 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:27.560 got fired. He was fired as talent but not as 85 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:29.800 a coach. So like what we always heard is that 86 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.560 he was kind of embarrassed by that, maybe you know, 87 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:33.159 and bitter. 88 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:34.039 I guess, I don't know. 89 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:36.000 And then they said that was like when everything changed 90 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.439 and he was like zero fun anymore, Like oh, we 91 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:40.080 were from the guys OBIW before our time. That he 92 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:41.639 would walk in and be like, oh, let's not practical, 93 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:43.560 let's go to six Flags. Would take everyone six flags 94 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.039 and they'd like just do stuff like that. Or he'd 95 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:47.319 have house part I know, he used to throw like 96 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:49.639 these big Halloween parties everyone look forward to every but 97 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:50.800 we did not get that we're. 98 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:52.240 All over the place now, we didn't get that version 99 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:52.560 of Alice. 100 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:54.599 Yeah, OBIW was weird for us, and we had a 101 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:58.120 bad attitude going in because as we'll explain in this, 102 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:00.000 and we explained that you gotta listen to part one for. 103 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.319 Well, hold on, let me, let me cutting me off Mark. 104 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.919 So we had in the middle of a story, so 105 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:07.400 I was setting it up, so we were. 106 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.599 In the whole year deep South. Then Deep South closes, 107 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.400 the majority of the people go to the new FCW, 108 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:15.159 but it's not open yet, so they have a month 109 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:16.000 vacation or whatever. 110 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:18.839 And the people who were ready three month was saying yes, wow. 111 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:21.319 The people who were like ready for TV, they put 112 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:24.399 to OVW, and that was we were included that. But 113 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:26.680 in that like week that we were moving to OVW, 114 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.879 we debuted on TV. So then when we debut in OBW, 115 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:33.720 first of all, like the first day, we already have 116 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:35.639 like a bullseye on our back. 117 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:39.240 Because I think Cody Rose has told this story over 118 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:40.040 the year so many times. 119 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.680 It's like kind of taking on a life of its own. 120 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:47.240 So after OVW shows and they do it after NXT shows, 121 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:51.519 blah blah blah, they have everyone in the crowd, not everyone, 122 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:54.240 not that, not not crowd members, all the all the boys, 123 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:55.759 the girls, They get in the crowded like it's like 124 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:57.160 a pep talk a post. 125 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:00.759 On the back meeting or you know, job, you know 126 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:03.199 what's going on in the start of the union kind 127 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:03.480 of thing. 128 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:05.959 So if I recall correctly, so the fans have gone 129 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:07.519 the fans have gone out, and then you you. 130 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:09.439 Can clean up the arena, you break down or whatever, 131 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:11.519 and then you have like everyone in the stands for 132 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:11.800 a meeting. 133 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:13.720 Let's talk about the night future. 134 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:17.000 We were so like hungry that we lived, not like 135 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:20.040 hungry for food, like hungry for wrestling that we we 136 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:24.319 we debut, recw drove back to McDonald Georgia, packed up 137 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:27.199 our stuff, drove to Louisville, Kentucky, and they We're like, oh, 138 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:27.839 there's a show tonight. 139 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:29.399 Let's try to get there. 140 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:30.240 What's that drive? 141 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.000 It was pretty long, especially in you all because you 142 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.560 can't fast. So we got there as the show was ending. 143 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:38.199 Look, we should have just showed up the next day 144 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:40.480 in retrospect, but we wanted to show face that we 145 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:44.399 you know, and that particular day, Simon Dean Nova Mike 146 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:47.680 Bucci was now in charge of developmental just happened to 147 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.639 be there. I believe he lived in Louisville, yes, but 148 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:52.279 he was just happen to be at that show. 149 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:55.959 And another caveat we shad had to this. We already 150 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:57.720 knew Mike because he was our he took Dreamers spot 151 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.519 as our boss. Yes, and he, like we before, basically 152 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.680 befriended him and he really liked us. And this is 153 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:09.120 back when WW had their hand in mocap. It wasn't 154 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:10.439 like independent guys like it is now. 155 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:12.439 They would have WW guys do it. 156 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.399 So and he part of that talent relationship was to 157 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:16.920 like handpick who got to do that. And it was 158 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:19.240 like an unbelievable opportunity because you're getting like I think 159 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:22.480 got like five hundred a day plus like you don't 160 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:24.199 have to go to practice for a week. He was great, 161 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.680 you're on vacation in La basically, so he hand picked us. 162 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.879 We spent a week with Mike Bouci and Stevie Richards doing. 163 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.240 MOCAP for the video game, hanging out like doing John 164 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.399 Cena's entrance Jeff Hardy's entrance in that game that year, 165 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:39.720 and like we really bonded. So he already liked us 166 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:42.920 like a lot. But like OVW people don't know this, 167 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:44.680 you know, so then so we. 168 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.759 Get the we're watching the post show meeting. We missed 169 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:48.079 the show. 170 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.079 We go there, we get there, they're cleaning up, they're 171 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:52.199 doing the post row meeting and Mike Bouchi is standing 172 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:55.279 there in front of everybody. And I'm paraphrasing this, but 173 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:57.879 like Cody Road tells this story, Cody Road says, like 174 00:06:57.920 --> 00:06:59.800 I walked in as like a leather jacket. 175 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:01.560 He said it was like Hall of Nash coming in, 176 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:06.120 Like that's not like see, I definitely see why he 177 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:08.800 would think that because it's this massive putover speech from 178 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:09.800 Bucci and he. 179 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:11.480 Made he called us out, made us come down. 180 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:13.680 You did like a group hug, like a click asg 181 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:16.319 like I'm so proud of these guys. 182 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:18.560 Basically, like these guys rule. You should be glad they're 183 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:19.560 the way Cody. 184 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:21.680 Tells it, he's like, these guys are better than you. 185 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:23.920 That's why they're on TV. They don't need to be here. 186 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:25.560 But that's not what he said. He said, like, I'm 187 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:27.680 so proud of you. You would certainly see why I 188 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:28.839 rubbed the other town. 189 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:33.240 Yeah, yeah, he was just trying to you know, it's 190 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:35.759 like almost congratulated because we debuted the night before, two 191 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:39.680 nights before. But an outsider looking in, it's like, fuck 192 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.439 these guys, and plus from the coaches perspective, I'm sure 193 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:44.720 they were thinking fuck these guys. And honestly, in our 194 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:46.759 heads we were thinking, well, fuck this, why are we 195 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:47.279 even here? 196 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:47.959 We're on TV? 197 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:50.879 Why are we starting this new developmental twenty two years old? 198 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:54.319 And it was just a bad like And we discussed 199 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:56.720 on the last episode. Like at OVW listen rock and 200 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:59.759 Roll Express Hall of Famers, one of the greatest teams 201 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:01.920 of all time, and their style of wrestlings. I love 202 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.079 watching it, but at the time you couldn't do those 203 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.160 four men in the ring. Dose does, but you couldn't 204 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.839 do it in WE They were legit to squadify people 205 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.319 on live TV if they were in for you know, one, two, three, 206 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:17.000 four five DQ. So like in OVW, we're doing all 207 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.199 these wild rock and Roll Express style spots, but we 208 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.879 needed to practice like getting moving and get out. Yeah, 209 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:24.480 so we weren't getting our reps in. It was just 210 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:27.839 a style sclash if you will, and button heads. And 211 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.680 I'm not I'm not saying that we weren't being disrespectful 212 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:34.120 or or arrogant because we I don't know. 213 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.919 If RAGA is the right word. But like, well, we're 214 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:38.759 working for Postele tonight. You think he'll be okay with 215 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:39.639 us doing some rock and roll. 216 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:42.519 Yes, you guys are gonna get disqualified to talk to 217 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:44.559 the booker man. Well, Wimer's gonna throw us. 218 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:45.039 Out if we do that. 219 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:46.799 All right, So I tried to say this in the beginning, 220 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.240 but you cut me off. I haven't even opened the 221 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.919 podcast yet. We'll fucking fifteen minutes in whatever. All right, 222 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:53.440 here's the deal. 223 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:55.559 There's a lot so much unpacked. We need to listen 224 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:56.039 to part one. 225 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.679 We've decided to do like kind of a career retrospective 226 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:00.480 with these guys, and we're gonna take part portions of 227 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:02.480 their career and do it in the Q and A 228 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.960 style and interview style each month. First month we did 229 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.200 their indie and like first starting their career training with Mike. 230 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.200 You back that kind of deal. You can check that 231 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:14.919 podcast out. It's on the Hard Foundation Feed. Then last 232 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:19.360 week we did developmental, but we realized there was way 233 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:21.480 more to it, so we decided to do a part 234 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:22.559 two now last week. 235 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.720 Last month, sorry, we didn't even talk about ovwe. 236 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:27.559 So that's the thing. So that when we we basically 237 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:31.159 got to the OVW part and then realized we haven't. 238 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:34.639 Talked about there's still so much Deep South, right. 239 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:39.120 But I'm not sure. Well, we have all these questions, questions. 240 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.159 Maybe we even do a part three. I mean, we'll 241 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:42.440 see what happens. It's just a lot. 242 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:45.080 It's definitely not We did not do it linear. It 243 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:47.799 wasn't linear. We're going we're job bouncing all over the place. 244 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:51.759 Awesome and sorry, but like this sparks memories. Yeah, yeah, 245 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:53.919 it's too hard to do that that way. 246 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:54.360 Okay. 247 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:57.120 Max Herron says, what would you say are the biggest 248 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:00.799 differences from when you were in developmental today, today's gen when. 249 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:02.799 That was just talking about hands down, it's that disconnect 250 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:06.320 where like OVW and deep stuff are literally their own worlds, right, 251 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:08.360 and you're trying to make it to WW, and like 252 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:10.480 you're here, you know, you need people from the road 253 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:12.919 to tell you like, oh, Vince doesn't like Tegnans being 254 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.039 in the ring for you know, disobeying the five count 255 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:17.159 and burying the ref stuff like that, and you don't 256 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:20.240 get that information, whereas like now the PC and nxcor 257 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:22.679 like this in sync thing with W, where that kind 258 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:24.480 of stuff would would never happen you know what I mean. 259 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:26.720 But like literally, especially Deep. 260 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:29.440 South was its own world, living and literally living in 261 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:33.279 its own world, you know, and like like you're groomed 262 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:36.399 for ww television now like properly where you work on 263 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:38.840 your character and what you are called up as, whereas 264 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.720 like Gallows is the freaking deacon for two years and 265 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:44.440 deep stuff, and then they go your festus and it's 266 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:45.960 a completely different you know what I mean, Like that 267 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:48.480 doesn't happen anymore, very rarely, I would say it was 268 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:49.559 back then, it. 269 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.279 Was like maybe fifty percent, like you would get called 270 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.399 up as what you were doing in developmental right, right, 271 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:57.799 Like look at Santino. Santino was like this this killer 272 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:01.159 mma Russian guy and that becomes an Italian comedy guy, 273 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.200 which at first was just an Italian guy. 274 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:04.879 Like luckily he's good. 275 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:07.679 It was able to to save his career because he 276 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.480 was sinking as just Santino from Italy. 277 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:12.279 Yeah, you know, at. 278 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:14.639 First he's he's supposed, he's said, you know, from the 279 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:15.399 crowd from Italy. 280 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:17.480 So there's like it was like a shooter gimmick he 281 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:17.960 was doing. 282 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.960 Like a rushing watch. He comes out like m m 283 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.159 a yeah, like murders guys like, uh that he's taking 284 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:25.600 a Cobra sock out. 285 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:29.480 I didn't even never even thought of that. Yeah, that's interesting. 286 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:31.039 That's the biggest difference. 287 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.879 And that's like thank god they've figured that out and 288 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:35.639 fixed that, because like how do you deal with that? 289 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:36.120 That's tough. 290 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:39.919 And then the other word, like I don't I think 291 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.519 obviously when someone gets a call up now there's like 292 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:45.120 a heads up where like in ow be like we 293 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:46.679 need this guy and he's like your champion and just 294 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.000 f o W the story lines and everything that it 295 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.159 happened all the time, and the bookers like especially like 296 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:55.720 when Jim Cornett was there and he's so passionate, and 297 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:58.639 Jody Hamilton was love deep southing, was so passion about it, 298 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:00.879 and then this stuf would happened he liked and he'd 299 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:04.320 be like, so live it like that, like his storylines 300 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.639 in front of the fifty people that came there, you know. 301 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.200 So it's like, god, you know, it's it's a bizarre 302 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:11.519 situation looking back on it. 303 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.159 Joe Clegg, was there any particular gear you guys had 304 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.679 in developmental that you wish you could have gotten a figure? 305 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:19.440 Yeah, that's cool. 306 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:24.759 So we wore tassels on our boots and we did 307 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:27.519 a loop I believe we maybe we wore them on 308 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:32.000 the livens and a dark match and Johnny Ace somehow 309 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:34.519 Johnny John Loranidis, who was in charge then is in 310 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:38.120 charge now, said like it was too like Ultimate Warrior, 311 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:39.480 like it was not to wear it, and. 312 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.919 He said then looked tough for something I think with it, and. 313 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:45.240 Like I thought it was great to this day to 314 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:47.759 wear tassels is so fun. You feel like faster, You 315 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:49.919 feel like everything you do is like cooler because they're 316 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:50.519 just like movid. 317 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:52.120 Yeah, I can't explain it. 318 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:53.000 That's cool. 319 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:55.679 You have some customs though. 320 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:57.559 So you so you would have you have tassels on 321 00:12:57.559 --> 00:12:58.519 the boots and trunks that. 322 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.960 Yeah, I mean basically like little Texas Tornadoes. 323 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.240 Yeah, we kept wearing the same trunks, but we had 324 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.519 the tassels and we'd switch them out and then we'd 325 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:08.399 have like matching wristbands and stuff like that. 326 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:09.000 Yeah. 327 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:14.000 Without the tassel, it's so boring, exactly. Uh, Jamie Ogden 328 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:18.320 Brian wrestled on an early NXT show at Full Sale. 329 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:21.399 Was it envisioned as being a third brand at the 330 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:22.559 time or just another show? 331 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:25.120 Yeah? I knew because. 332 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:29.200 Let me, I want to say, Tyson Kidd and Kofea 333 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:31.240 had like conversations with where they were like they had 334 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:34.320 already been to NXT BEF the new xt is now 335 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:37.320 before I'd gone, and they were like dude Hunters there 336 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.639 and you can just tell this is like his thing, 337 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:42.720 like it's his baby, and like he's host hunter who 338 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:45.039 like no offense but like barely makes eye contact with 339 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:46.519 main roster talent when he's there. 340 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:50.960 Right he's he's holding these post show meetings. 341 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.559 That we just talked about if they would do in 342 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:54.399 this raw, raw like feel good thing. And I'm like 343 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:56.240 I remember being there being like whoa, who. 344 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:56.639 Is this guy? 345 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:58.159 Like this is not the guy I've known for a year, 346 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:00.399 you know, like you could tell you care about it, 347 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:02.159 and like it grew to what it is, you know, 348 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:05.039 like this beast it's it's on real television now, it's incredible. 349 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.919 So I knew right away and I went, that was weird. 350 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.000 I guess we didn't talk about this last time. In 351 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:14.440 the summer of twenty thirteen. I believe that's when the 352 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:16.720 PC opened and. 353 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:18.600 Uh, everybody moved from Tampa to. 354 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.759 They switched from Tampa to Orlando, and uh Mark Carono 355 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:24.519 called me and I literally I thought I was getting fired. 356 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:26.080 I was like, oh, boys can not gonna be good. 357 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:27.679 And I pick it up and he explained to me 358 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:30.000 that there are a bunch of guys that they had 359 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:31.440 weren't doing anything with, which was me. 360 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:32.759 For sure. I was doing nothing. 361 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:34.320 He's like, we want to send you to the PC 362 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:37.879 and just kind of like take the classes and go 363 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:40.039 and whatever and just just to be active and you know, 364 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:42.279 kind of pitch stuff, do whatever you wanted. I was like, okay, 365 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:46.120 and actually was very cool. I got paid. I basically 366 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:49.320 I commuted like to Orlando every Sunday night and then 367 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.720 I attend Billy Guns class Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, there'sday Friday 368 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.000 five home Friday afternoon, had the weekends at home in 369 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:56.559 New York and I did it for a month. 370 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.240 Wait where did you live in New York? 371 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:00.919 Like, oh, wait no, but I'm saying, oh it was got. 372 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.679 A hotel, a car, paid me. And then I go 373 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:05.120 that when Ted Dbassi quit. 374 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:08.039 Uh so, what I remember that people are supposed to 375 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:11.399 do was me Ezekiel Jackson and Ted DBSTI Junior and 376 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:13.559 Deed Junior basically with the business over it like never 377 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.159 worked again, was like rather which I agree, Like I 378 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.240 agree too, I mean I was definitely above it and 379 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:22.759 like I mean it was. I loved it though, because 380 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:24.039 like that's how I met Billy God. 381 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:25.360 It was in his class. It was cool as hell. 382 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:27.919 That's how I met like so many of the guys 383 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:29.759 i'd eventually work with, Like that's where I met Mojo 384 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:34.360 before I went to the mad Man Folded gotch was 385 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:36.799 in my class, Sammy Callahan, like all these guys. 386 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:40.600 Chris hero is like one of my really good friends. 387 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:41.960 Was there. I kind of like he kind of showed 388 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:42.879 me the lay of the land when I was. 389 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:44.879 There, So it was like wrestling training you my. 390 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:46.240 Full blown was in Billy Gun's class. 391 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.519 But it would be like I've been wrestling for years 392 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.360 at this point, right with almost ten years at this point, 393 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:54.440 and we get in and be like do this tackle, 394 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.639 drop down, leadbrug hip toss, and I'm like, do it once, 395 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:58.440 nail it, flawless, get out, and I'm on the apron. 396 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:00.639 Then I watched Mojo fuck it up for an hour 397 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:01.919 on the apron and I'm just. 398 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:03.799 Like it was cake for me. It was blast, like 399 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:05.519 I love it. And then the other flips. I was great. 400 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.639 I got to be back in Dusty's promo class right 401 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:09.440