Speaker 1: All right, here we are welcome everyone to the Hard
Speaker 1: Foundation bonus episode. I am your moderator here, smart Mark Sterling.
Speaker 1: I am joined by the interviewees, first of the Thrill
Speaker 1: Zone brand.
Speaker 2: Former Deep South Wrestling, two time tag team Champion of
Speaker 2: the World Brian Majors.
Speaker 3: And I am a two time Deep South Tag Team
Speaker 3: champion and one time or was it two times?
Speaker 4: One time?
Speaker 1: That's right, I didn't know that. Oh yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys never had a single anything. You never had
Speaker 1: a single anything.
Speaker 3: I wrestled uh Matt Striker, but it might have been
Speaker 3: a dark match on Deep.
Speaker 4: Out and wrestled.
Speaker 2: I wrestled Lawrence Tyler, won a singles remember that some
Speaker 2: random That's the first time I ever beat anyone with
Speaker 2: the elbow drop.
Speaker 3: And then that one time in OVW were you a
Speaker 3: juggle for the wrist tape? I had to wrestle with
Speaker 3: someone in a singles.
Speaker 1: Somebody they like took you have the show because you.
Speaker 4: Got because he said, is the risk tape? It's a itane.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: We talked about the last episode which you have to
Speaker 3: listen to, where Brian said, oh, I'm taping up my
Speaker 3: risk is my wrist is hurt.
Speaker 4: Oh yours? But you can't wrestle that.
Speaker 2: Oh that's like I said, and I just went, okay,
Speaker 2: well then, like I don't even think I was allowed
Speaker 2: to manage you, like you just went out and work
Speaker 2: last second.
Speaker 4: Wow, just being a dick and me being a dick back,
Speaker 4: So whatever.
Speaker 1: All right, So full disclosure, this is part two of
Speaker 1: the developmental podcast.
Speaker 4: Now we it was that Alan Robert. It was Robert.
Speaker 4: Robert didn't have that power. It was Al definitely so
Speaker 4: al Al. So he was saying, oh.
Speaker 2: You're hurt, then I guess you're off the show, okay,
Speaker 2: And this is like the that's the night we were
Speaker 2: like the popcorn match. I want to say intermission, the
Speaker 2: night where I cussed yes at.
Speaker 3: Robert Gibson where I took up the tape and I
Speaker 3: said like, funck this, this is fucking bullshites And.
Speaker 4: He said I cursed that m like he cussed me.
Speaker 3: He made a team Like I said, fuck you, Robert Gibson.
Speaker 3: That's not what I said. I said, like this is
Speaker 3: bullshit or this is fucking something like that, totally out
Speaker 3: of so. Anyway, I wrestled cod this past week like
Speaker 3: I was in the ray was set up. It was
Speaker 3: such a weird convention because of COVID and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It was like a hotel, like almost like a hotel lobby.
Speaker 3: And then they in their different rooms that people are
Speaker 3: in and the room next to me, alse though is
Speaker 3: in it, and the color Elbow guys are in it.
Speaker 3: And like, I love Colin, I don't dislike Al at all.
Speaker 3: I have no ill will towards Al, but like I didn't.
Speaker 4: Even want to walk in and say hello, right, we're
Speaker 4: not friends.
Speaker 3: That's funny because like, I don't know if I saw
Speaker 3: him a couple of years ago, maybe it was New
Speaker 3: Orleans or some I think the first wrestling in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: He was at a bar and I went up and
Speaker 3: said hello, and I wasn't sure if he was gonna,
Speaker 3: like still not be nice to me.
Speaker 4: But he was very nice. Oh, he was very nice
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 1: And he knew who you were.
Speaker 3: Yes, I listen. Growing up, I was a huge Al
Speaker 3: snow fan.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hell yeah me too.
Speaker 4: And then you watched Tough Enough and he's so nice.
Speaker 3: He's like the you know, like the good the good cop,
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm like, I can't wait for him
Speaker 3: to be my coach, Oobie W.
Speaker 4: And it was the complete opposite, and he was like tough.
Speaker 2: So what we always heard, and this was the rumor
Speaker 2: in innuendo, is that al was like the best and
Speaker 2: then he ECW that FAKEW was back on TV and
Speaker 2: they brought him in. He was basically like an enhancement guy,
Speaker 2: but he was talent, so he was coach and talent.
Speaker 2: Then they made these like cuts, A bunch of people
Speaker 2: got fired. He was fired as talent but not as
Speaker 2: a coach. So like what we always heard is that
Speaker 2: he was kind of embarrassed by that, maybe you know,
Speaker 2: and bitter.
Speaker 4: I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then they said that was like when everything changed
Speaker 2: and he was like zero fun anymore, Like oh, we
Speaker 2: were from the guys OBIW before our time. That he
Speaker 2: would walk in and be like, oh, let's not practical,
Speaker 2: let's go to six Flags. Would take everyone six flags
Speaker 2: and they'd like just do stuff like that. Or he'd
Speaker 2: have house part I know, he used to throw like
Speaker 2: these big Halloween parties everyone look forward to every but
Speaker 2: we did not get that we're.
Speaker 4: All over the place now, we didn't get that version
Speaker 4: of Alice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, OBIW was weird for us, and we had a
Speaker 3: bad attitude going in because as we'll explain in this,
Speaker 3: and we explained that you gotta listen to part one for.
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, let me, let me cutting me off Mark.
Speaker 2: So we had in the middle of a story, so
Speaker 2: I was setting it up, so we were.
Speaker 3: In the whole year deep South. Then Deep South closes,
Speaker 3: the majority of the people go to the new FCW,
Speaker 3: but it's not open yet, so they have a month
Speaker 3: vacation or whatever.
Speaker 4: And the people who were ready three month was saying yes, wow.
Speaker 3: The people who were like ready for TV, they put
Speaker 3: to OVW, and that was we were included that. But
Speaker 3: in that like week that we were moving to OVW,
Speaker 3: we debuted on TV. So then when we debut in OBW,
Speaker 3: first of all, like the first day, we already have
Speaker 3: like a bullseye on our back.
Speaker 2: Because I think Cody Rose has told this story over
Speaker 2: the year so many times.
Speaker 4: It's like kind of taking on a life of its own.
Speaker 3: So after OVW shows and they do it after NXT shows,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, they have everyone in the crowd, not everyone,
Speaker 3: not that, not not crowd members, all the all the boys,
Speaker 3: the girls, They get in the crowded like it's like
Speaker 3: a pep talk a post.
Speaker 2: On the back meeting or you know, job, you know
Speaker 2: what's going on in the start of the union kind
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 3: So if I recall correctly, so the fans have gone
Speaker 3: the fans have gone out, and then you you.
Speaker 2: Can clean up the arena, you break down or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then you have like everyone in the stands for
Speaker 2: a meeting.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the night future.
Speaker 3: We were so like hungry that we lived, not like
Speaker 3: hungry for food, like hungry for wrestling that we we
Speaker 3: we debut, recw drove back to McDonald Georgia, packed up
Speaker 3: our stuff, drove to Louisville, Kentucky, and they We're like, oh,
Speaker 3: there's a show tonight.
Speaker 4: Let's try to get there.
Speaker 1: What's that drive?
Speaker 4: It was pretty long, especially in you all because you
Speaker 4: can't fast. So we got there as the show was ending.
Speaker 3: Look, we should have just showed up the next day
Speaker 3: in retrospect, but we wanted to show face that we
Speaker 3: you know, and that particular day, Simon Dean Nova Mike
Speaker 3: Bucci was now in charge of developmental just happened to
Speaker 3: be there. I believe he lived in Louisville, yes, but
Speaker 3: he was just happen to be at that show.
Speaker 2: And another caveat we shad had to this. We already
Speaker 2: knew Mike because he was our he took Dreamers spot
Speaker 2: as our boss. Yes, and he, like we before, basically
Speaker 2: befriended him and he really liked us. And this is
Speaker 2: back when WW had their hand in mocap. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like independent guys like it is now.
Speaker 4: They would have WW guys do it.
Speaker 2: So and he part of that talent relationship was to
Speaker 2: like handpick who got to do that. And it was
Speaker 2: like an unbelievable opportunity because you're getting like I think
Speaker 2: got like five hundred a day plus like you don't
Speaker 2: have to go to practice for a week. He was great,
Speaker 2: you're on vacation in La basically, so he hand picked us.
Speaker 4: We spent a week with Mike Bouci and Stevie Richards doing.
Speaker 2: MOCAP for the video game, hanging out like doing John
Speaker 2: Cena's entrance Jeff Hardy's entrance in that game that year,
Speaker 2: and like we really bonded. So he already liked us
Speaker 2: like a lot. But like OVW people don't know this,
Speaker 2: you know, so then so we.
Speaker 4: Get the we're watching the post show meeting. We missed
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 3: We go there, we get there, they're cleaning up, they're
Speaker 3: doing the post row meeting and Mike Bouchi is standing
Speaker 3: there in front of everybody. And I'm paraphrasing this, but
Speaker 3: like Cody Road tells this story, Cody Road says, like
Speaker 3: I walked in as like a leather jacket.
Speaker 2: He said it was like Hall of Nash coming in,
Speaker 2: Like that's not like see, I definitely see why he
Speaker 2: would think that because it's this massive putover speech from
Speaker 2: Bucci and he.
Speaker 4: Made he called us out, made us come down.
Speaker 2: You did like a group hug, like a click asg
Speaker 2: like I'm so proud of these guys.
Speaker 4: Basically, like these guys rule. You should be glad they're
Speaker 4: the way Cody.
Speaker 2: Tells it, he's like, these guys are better than you.
Speaker 2: That's why they're on TV. They don't need to be here.
Speaker 2: But that's not what he said. He said, like, I'm
Speaker 2: so proud of you. You would certainly see why I
Speaker 2: rubbed the other town.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was just trying to you know, it's
Speaker 3: like almost congratulated because we debuted the night before, two
Speaker 3: nights before. But an outsider looking in, it's like, fuck
Speaker 3: these guys, and plus from the coaches perspective, I'm sure
Speaker 3: they were thinking fuck these guys. And honestly, in our
Speaker 3: heads we were thinking, well, fuck this, why are we
Speaker 3: even here?
Speaker 2: We're on TV?
Speaker 4: Why are we starting this new developmental twenty two years old?
Speaker 3: And it was just a bad like And we discussed
Speaker 3: on the last episode. Like at OVW listen rock and
Speaker 3: Roll Express Hall of Famers, one of the greatest teams
Speaker 3: of all time, and their style of wrestlings. I love
Speaker 3: watching it, but at the time you couldn't do those
Speaker 3: four men in the ring. Dose does, but you couldn't
Speaker 3: do it in WE They were legit to squadify people
Speaker 3: on live TV if they were in for you know, one, two, three,
Speaker 3: four five DQ. So like in OVW, we're doing all
Speaker 3: these wild rock and Roll Express style spots, but we
Speaker 3: needed to practice like getting moving and get out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so we weren't getting our reps in. It was just
Speaker 3: a style sclash if you will, and button heads. And
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not saying that we weren't being disrespectful
Speaker 3: or or arrogant because we I don't know.
Speaker 4: If RAGA is the right word. But like, well, we're
Speaker 4: working for Postele tonight. You think he'll be okay with
Speaker 4: us doing some rock and roll.
Speaker 2: Yes, you guys are gonna get disqualified to talk to
Speaker 2: the booker man. Well, Wimer's gonna throw us.
Speaker 4: Out if we do that.
Speaker 1: All right, So I tried to say this in the beginning,
Speaker 1: but you cut me off. I haven't even opened the
Speaker 1: podcast yet. We'll fucking fifteen minutes in whatever. All right,
Speaker 1: here's the deal.
Speaker 4: There's a lot so much unpacked. We need to listen
Speaker 4: to part one.
Speaker 1: We've decided to do like kind of a career retrospective
Speaker 1: with these guys, and we're gonna take part portions of
Speaker 1: their career and do it in the Q and A
Speaker 1: style and interview style each month. First month we did
Speaker 1: their indie and like first starting their career training with Mike.
Speaker 1: You back that kind of deal. You can check that
Speaker 1: podcast out. It's on the Hard Foundation Feed. Then last
Speaker 1: week we did developmental, but we realized there was way
Speaker 1: more to it, so we decided to do a part
Speaker 1: two now last week.
Speaker 4: Last month, sorry, we didn't even talk about ovwe.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. So that when we we basically
Speaker 1: got to the OVW part and then realized we haven't.
Speaker 4: Talked about there's still so much Deep South, right.
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure. Well, we have all these questions, questions.
Speaker 4: Maybe we even do a part three. I mean, we'll
Speaker 4: see what happens. It's just a lot.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not We did not do it linear. It
Speaker 1: wasn't linear. We're going we're job bouncing all over the place.
Speaker 2: Awesome and sorry, but like this sparks memories. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's too hard to do that that way.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: Max Herron says, what would you say are the biggest
Speaker 1: differences from when you were in developmental today, today's gen when.
Speaker 2: That was just talking about hands down, it's that disconnect
Speaker 2: where like OVW and deep stuff are literally their own worlds, right,
Speaker 2: and you're trying to make it to WW, and like
Speaker 2: you're here, you know, you need people from the road
Speaker 2: to tell you like, oh, Vince doesn't like Tegnans being
Speaker 2: in the ring for you know, disobeying the five count
Speaker 2: and burying the ref stuff like that, and you don't
Speaker 2: get that information, whereas like now the PC and nxcor
Speaker 2: like this in sync thing with W, where that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff would would never happen you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But like literally, especially Deep.
Speaker 2: South was its own world, living and literally living in
Speaker 2: its own world, you know, and like like you're groomed
Speaker 2: for ww television now like properly where you work on
Speaker 2: your character and what you are called up as, whereas
Speaker 2: like Gallows is the freaking deacon for two years and
Speaker 2: deep stuff, and then they go your festus and it's
Speaker 2: a completely different you know what I mean, Like that
Speaker 2: doesn't happen anymore, very rarely, I would say it was
Speaker 2: back then, it.
Speaker 3: Was like maybe fifty percent, like you would get called
Speaker 3: up as what you were doing in developmental right, right,
Speaker 3: Like look at Santino. Santino was like this this killer
Speaker 3: mma Russian guy and that becomes an Italian comedy guy,
Speaker 3: which at first was just an Italian guy.
Speaker 4: Like luckily he's good.
Speaker 3: It was able to to save his career because he
Speaker 3: was sinking as just Santino from Italy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, at.
Speaker 3: First he's he's supposed, he's said, you know, from the
Speaker 3: crowd from Italy.
Speaker 1: So there's like it was like a shooter gimmick he
Speaker 1: was doing.
Speaker 4: Like a rushing watch. He comes out like m m
Speaker 4: a yeah, like murders guys like, uh that he's taking
Speaker 4: a Cobra sock out.
Speaker 1: I didn't even never even thought of that. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: That's the biggest difference.
Speaker 2: And that's like thank god they've figured that out and
Speaker 2: fixed that, because like how do you deal with that?
Speaker 4: That's tough.
Speaker 2: And then the other word, like I don't I think
Speaker 2: obviously when someone gets a call up now there's like
Speaker 2: a heads up where like in ow be like we
Speaker 2: need this guy and he's like your champion and just
Speaker 2: f o W the story lines and everything that it
Speaker 2: happened all the time, and the bookers like especially like
Speaker 2: when Jim Cornett was there and he's so passionate, and
Speaker 2: Jody Hamilton was love deep southing, was so passion about it,
Speaker 2: and then this stuf would happened he liked and he'd
Speaker 2: be like, so live it like that, like his storylines
Speaker 2: in front of the fifty people that came there, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's like, god, you know, it's it's a bizarre
Speaker 2: situation looking back on it.
Speaker 1: Joe Clegg, was there any particular gear you guys had
Speaker 1: in developmental that you wish you could have gotten a figure?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 3: So we wore tassels on our boots and we did
Speaker 3: a loop I believe we maybe we wore them on
Speaker 3: the livens and a dark match and Johnny Ace somehow
Speaker 3: Johnny John Loranidis, who was in charge then is in
Speaker 3: charge now, said like it was too like Ultimate Warrior,
Speaker 3: like it was not to wear it, and.
Speaker 4: He said then looked tough for something I think with it, and.
Speaker 2: Like I thought it was great to this day to
Speaker 2: wear tassels is so fun. You feel like faster, You
Speaker 2: feel like everything you do is like cooler because they're
Speaker 2: just like movid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't explain it.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 4: You have some customs though.
Speaker 1: So you so you would have you have tassels on
Speaker 1: the boots and trunks that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean basically like little Texas Tornadoes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we kept wearing the same trunks, but we had
Speaker 3: the tassels and we'd switch them out and then we'd
Speaker 3: have like matching wristbands and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Without the tassel, it's so boring, exactly. Uh, Jamie Ogden
Speaker 1: Brian wrestled on an early NXT show at Full Sale.
Speaker 1: Was it envisioned as being a third brand at the
Speaker 1: time or just another show?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I knew because.
Speaker 2: Let me, I want to say, Tyson Kidd and Kofea
Speaker 2: had like conversations with where they were like they had
Speaker 2: already been to NXT BEF the new xt is now
Speaker 2: before I'd gone, and they were like dude Hunters there
Speaker 2: and you can just tell this is like his thing,
Speaker 2: like it's his baby, and like he's host hunter who
Speaker 2: like no offense but like barely makes eye contact with
Speaker 2: main roster talent when he's there.
Speaker 4: Right he's he's holding these post show meetings.
Speaker 2: That we just talked about if they would do in
Speaker 2: this raw, raw like feel good thing. And I'm like
Speaker 2: I remember being there being like whoa, who.
Speaker 4: Is this guy?
Speaker 2: Like this is not the guy I've known for a year,
Speaker 2: you know, like you could tell you care about it,
Speaker 2: and like it grew to what it is, you know,
Speaker 2: like this beast it's it's on real television now, it's incredible.
Speaker 2: So I knew right away and I went, that was weird.
Speaker 2: I guess we didn't talk about this last time. In
Speaker 2: the summer of twenty thirteen. I believe that's when the
Speaker 2: PC opened and.
Speaker 1: Uh, everybody moved from Tampa to.
Speaker 2: They switched from Tampa to Orlando, and uh Mark Carono
Speaker 2: called me and I literally I thought I was getting fired.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, boys can not gonna be good.
Speaker 2: And I pick it up and he explained to me
Speaker 2: that there are a bunch of guys that they had
Speaker 2: weren't doing anything with, which was me.
Speaker 4: For sure. I was doing nothing.
Speaker 2: He's like, we want to send you to the PC
Speaker 2: and just kind of like take the classes and go
Speaker 2: and whatever and just just to be active and you know,
Speaker 2: kind of pitch stuff, do whatever you wanted. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: and actually was very cool. I got paid. I basically
Speaker 2: I commuted like to Orlando every Sunday night and then
Speaker 2: I attend Billy Guns class Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, there'sday Friday
Speaker 2: five home Friday afternoon, had the weekends at home in
Speaker 2: New York and I did it for a month.
Speaker 4: Wait where did you live in New York?
Speaker 1: Like, oh, wait no, but I'm saying, oh it was got.
Speaker 4: A hotel, a car, paid me. And then I go
Speaker 4: that when Ted Dbassi quit.
Speaker 2: Uh so, what I remember that people are supposed to
Speaker 2: do was me Ezekiel Jackson and Ted DBSTI Junior and
Speaker 2: Deed Junior basically with the business over it like never
Speaker 2: worked again, was like rather which I agree, Like I
Speaker 2: agree too, I mean I was definitely above it and
Speaker 2: like I mean it was. I loved it though, because
Speaker 2: like that's how I met Billy God.
Speaker 4: It was in his class. It was cool as hell.
Speaker 2: That's how I met like so many of the guys
Speaker 2: i'd eventually work with, Like that's where I met Mojo
Speaker 2: before I went to the mad Man Folded gotch was
Speaker 2: in my class, Sammy Callahan, like all these guys.
Speaker 4: Chris hero is like one of my really good friends.
Speaker 4: Was there. I kind of like he kind of showed
Speaker 4: me the lay of the land when I was.
Speaker 1: There, So it was like wrestling training you my.
Speaker 4: Full blown was in Billy Gun's class.
Speaker 2: But it would be like I've been wrestling for years
Speaker 2: at this point, right with almost ten years at this point,
Speaker 2: and we get in and be like do this tackle,
Speaker 2: drop down, leadbrug hip toss, and I'm like, do it once,
Speaker 2: nail it, flawless, get out, and I'm on the apron.
Speaker 2: Then I watched Mojo fuck it up for an hour
Speaker 2: on the apron and I'm just.
Speaker 4: Like it was cake for me. It was blast, like
Speaker 4: I love it. And then the other flips. I was great.
Speaker 2: I got to be back in Dusty's promo class right
Speaker 2: with a whole new.
Speaker 4: Crop of guys. It's so fun.
Speaker 2: I remember I picture just like New York Crew with
Speaker 2: like big cast an end zone and I got promo
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 4: Did that that's funny. I did this like shoot one.
Speaker 2: I remember because because Dusty would like challenge me and
Speaker 2: asked me to do different stuff.
Speaker 4: I love. It was fun.
Speaker 2: Zeke Zeke tried to do a rap which cose here
Speaker 2: I loves to talk about to this day. He tried
Speaker 2: to be like I don't know what he tried to do,
Speaker 2: like a big, big, badass rapper gimmick.
Speaker 3: I think if I had to go do drills like
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it because there's like there's after wrestling
Speaker 3: for almost twenty years, like you have your way of
Speaker 3: doing things, like I remember I went to just recently,
Speaker 3: I went to Tyler Breeze's yeah, and they're like, you're
Speaker 3: hitting the.
Speaker 4: Ropes the wrong way. I'm like, fuck off. I'm like,
Speaker 4: you're one of those those teachers who.
Speaker 3: Say you have to hit it with come up the
Speaker 3: ropes to your left foot, your right like, get the
Speaker 3: fuck out of here, come up the ropes.
Speaker 4: However, you want to come up the ropes, that's my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you come up the ropes. That's that's that's enough, right.
Speaker 2: And that's one of those things I always took from
Speaker 2: Bill that, like flavors of ice cream, you can't please everybody,
Speaker 2: and everyone has their own opinion. It's not only some
Speaker 2: things in wrestling are like that's absolutely the wrong way.
Speaker 4: That you can't hit toss with the left arm, right
Speaker 4: right right, okay. Yeah. For some things, I think if
Speaker 4: you make it look good, unbelievable, then that's fine. Who
Speaker 4: gives a ship?
Speaker 1: I asked you because I know some of the guys
Speaker 1: that came over from like FTW at CAP, like Coach
Speaker 1: for example, with Coach mamone hits like he does the
Speaker 1: Luca hitting the ropes like he's grabbing it with his arm.
Speaker 4: So he does it. I always loved the arm guys.
Speaker 1: One ever taught me that ever, and then I was
Speaker 1: and then I asked her, I was like, are you
Speaker 1: going to correct them? You're like, I don't really care. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're.
Speaker 4: Hits it that way like seth rawlins. You can't hit
Speaker 4: the ropes that way, like funk off exactly cool. That
Speaker 4: was cool.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that know that you did that stuff.
Speaker 1: Were you like killing it in those like just so
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: A joke for me, Like it's a joke.
Speaker 2: I mean it was a breeze and it was fun
Speaker 2: and like I I've always like enjoyed. I mean it's
Speaker 2: it's a reflection on my school, Like I've been enjoyed
Speaker 2: the training aspect of.
Speaker 4: Pro wrestling, Like I like it.
Speaker 2: I would always find my I would always go back
Speaker 2: then my w I would always go to bat Bucks
Speaker 2: School in Jersey, like I just I just there's something
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 4: I've always loved it.
Speaker 2: I think it's like part of me from growing up,
Speaker 2: like with sports and stuff, it's kind of the same atmosphere.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's why I hated it.
Speaker 1: Dude, It's so fun, Like I just enjoy you just
Speaker 1: play in the ring. We just play, like I like.
Speaker 2: The physicality of it, like the workout of it, like
Speaker 2: the regimented, like you know, being ready.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like the Brian will make up. Just
Speaker 1: here's the drill, like come in, you know whatever, hit
Speaker 1: up whatever, bring the ropes up and over twice or whatever.
Speaker 1: But when you do it. You get in and then
Speaker 1: you can do your own I do that, but smart
Speaker 1: Mark does it, and then it's fun. And then you're
Speaker 1: trying to you know, I'm trying to pop the guy.
Speaker 2: Something bizarre in there to challenge people, to make me
Speaker 2: challenge themselves, you know.
Speaker 1: Like make me do a drop kick or what. But
Speaker 1: it's fun and then it doesn't matter because it's practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's great. I love it all right. Anyway, Jamie Ogden,
Speaker 1: I know Christian Garcia, who were some of the main
Speaker 1: roster legends, former ww stupors, ars, et cetera, who joined
Speaker 1: you guys in practices and shows any crazy stories that goal.
Speaker 4: I got one. So I remember we're doing a practice.
Speaker 3: We do the practice Deep South whatever Deep South we
Speaker 3: talked about last monk practices were hard, and Bill DeMott
Speaker 3: says like, hey, come back later in the day.
Speaker 2: We have a special guest. I'm thinking, like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: who's gonna be He basically just made a like unannounced
Speaker 2: to a day. I'm like, drain our ass off all morning.
Speaker 2: He goes, take a lunch break, be back at one
Speaker 2: ready to go. We got a very special guest coming in,
Speaker 2: saw Michaels no, I guess, like who do you think
Speaker 2: who could who could it be? Uh?
Speaker 4: I have no idea Big Veto. Oh my dress wearing
Speaker 4: big Veto.
Speaker 3: Okay, so big Veto, Big Vito comes in now he's
Speaker 3: doing well that's when he was doing like that gimmick
Speaker 3: right right, anyway, we.
Speaker 4: Dress, so he comes in Big Veto.
Speaker 3: I'll never forget he's wearing these where we do like
Speaker 3: this this like almost it's called like man in the
Speaker 3: Middle where it kind of where he wants to stay in.
Speaker 3: I guess he wants to get back in ringships. He
Speaker 3: just wants to be in there with a bunch of people.
Speaker 3: So like everyone's on the apron like tagging in and
Speaker 3: just working Veto so you can like blow up and
Speaker 3: whatever get in a ring shape.
Speaker 4: And he's wearing.
Speaker 3: These these gray WrestleMania pants like sweatpants. Right, he's in there.
Speaker 3: I believe he's in there with Taylor Wild yes, and
Speaker 3: you could tell. He starts to get a boat and
Speaker 3: we're all like on the apron like, broo, he's got
Speaker 3: a boat.
Speaker 2: It was a chubby for sure. Let's get wild horrendous
Speaker 2: horendous day.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what about actual like oh, my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe.
Speaker 4: Then I would come down all the time. I think
Speaker 4: that's how I want to live pretty close regal. I
Speaker 4: think that's how MVP got his break because like actually
Speaker 4: works for real a lot with Dave Taylor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Ben would come down and trade with like
Speaker 3: m v P and then when MVP gets called up.
Speaker 1: Okay, Michael Maniaki, what was one piece of advice someone
Speaker 1: gave you down in developmental that totally changed your perception
Speaker 1: of the business or open your eyes to a different
Speaker 1: point of view?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: So before I don't want to I hope we're not
Speaker 3: coming across like we're bearing else now because I don't
Speaker 3: want to convey that point because that's not how I feel.
Speaker 3: I think he actually did teach us a lot of things,
Speaker 3: and one thing that at the time I thought was
Speaker 3: so annoying, but I do believe he is right, and
Speaker 3: it's very very simple. He would ask, what is the
Speaker 3: story of your match? So you every that's what this
Speaker 3: is storytelling, right, So like I think so many people
Speaker 3: now are trying to get their shit in and their moves,
Speaker 3: and but what's the story? Like that's I think you
Speaker 3: need to before every match, like not every match is
Speaker 3: gonna have this elaborate story back with backstory, But you
Speaker 3: can make a story in a match. You can tell
Speaker 3: a story, and that's what wrestling is. So if you
Speaker 3: don't have a story in your.
Speaker 4: Match, what the fuck are you doing? Right? And I
Speaker 4: think that's very important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would always preach I actually always kind
Speaker 2: of it's weird.
Speaker 4: The older you get, the more like resonates.
Speaker 2: But less more. And it just sounds like the most boring,
Speaker 2: stupid thing to say, but in wrestling, it really matters,
Speaker 2: like less is more. Like that just to cram all
Speaker 2: your ship in a certain amount of time does not
Speaker 2: make your match better.
Speaker 4: You're actually hurting yourself by doing that. You know. I
Speaker 4: agree hard to tell young eager guys that it doesn't
Speaker 4: make any sense.
Speaker 1: Joe Bronson gets so pissed he goes, no, more is more, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: And then Teddy Hart said one of those post show
Speaker 2: meetings that ob w now is given the same boring
Speaker 2: less is more guy to give him the speech. And
Speaker 2: then Teddy art, more is more from everybody, from everybody.
Speaker 4: I'll never forget it, but he's right.
Speaker 2: And then the other thing that Al always said that
Speaker 2: I always kept too, was how valuable.
Speaker 4: Television time is. Yes, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 4: did not like take that for granted?
Speaker 2: Like how like how and especially if you do the
Speaker 2: financials of it, like what a one seg match on
Speaker 2: row financially is for like ww, what they're investing in
Speaker 2: you to give you that time and that like it's
Speaker 2: a lot and to be taken.
Speaker 1: Seriously, Holy shit, that is a really good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is really good. But somebody was just talking about
Speaker 1: that the other day that even if it's a minute
Speaker 1: better the best fucking minute that you can possibly.
Speaker 4: Exactly right, because it's precious.
Speaker 3: Another another al thing that you know, I think this
Speaker 3: also Bill was a preacher of this too, is that
Speaker 3: like you know, sometimes.
Speaker 4: How can I put this? Like nothing?
Speaker 3: Sometimes it doesn't have to be formulaic, doesn't need to
Speaker 3: be shine heat comeback. I remember once in OVW were
Speaker 3: doing this like we would kind of we were butting
Speaker 3: heads with Al and I wanted to like make him angry, right,
Speaker 3: so we came up with this spot. It was Brian
Speaker 3: and I against uh Drew McIntyre and what was his
Speaker 3: name is Wadeber What was the name at the time,
Speaker 3: Sam Sanders and like Wade had like the or Drew
Speaker 3: had the kilt. So I had this idea, like, well,
Speaker 3: what if like in the heat, like they have the
Speaker 3: heat on me and Brian like gets drops out off
Speaker 3: the apron, crawls under the rig, steals Drew back in tires, kilt,
Speaker 3: gets up and throws it in Drew's face, And I
Speaker 3: rolled up in the heat one two three, and like
Speaker 3: we got to the back and Alice clap and he's like.
Speaker 2: You finally got it, you get it? Like she was
Speaker 2: so happy. So I was like, what, like we were
Speaker 2: trying to make you bad and you thought this was great,
Speaker 2: like but it like taught me like as not everything.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it doesn't have to be shine.
Speaker 4: He makes him stand out, you know, being different.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I think some people try
Speaker 3: to be different all the time for the sake of
Speaker 3: being different.
Speaker 4: There's that fine line you gotta walk.
Speaker 1: That this is this is all good points uh back
Speaker 1: smash Master. Actually, I know he's listening to this and
Speaker 1: he trains the New England Wrestling New England Pro Wrestling
Speaker 1: Academy and he talks about that all the time. His
Speaker 1: big thing is it doesn't you know you can start
Speaker 1: in the heat or whatever.
Speaker 4: You can run.
Speaker 2: It's just the people that I hate, the idiots. I go, look,
Speaker 2: shiny comic doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: That's still ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I think I would also say that as well, but
Speaker 3: it does right of course. Yes, it's simple storytelling. And
Speaker 3: I remember when Mikey Whipp this is like really backtrack.
Speaker 3: Mikey Whipper did it on like a dry erase board
Speaker 3: once and that blew my mind. Like I was watching
Speaker 3: wrestling for eighteen years at that point and never put
Speaker 3: that together.
Speaker 2: There's a shine yet I'll never forget walking and seeing
Speaker 2: that being like, my mind is blown.
Speaker 1: WHOA, I don't think I learned it until I came
Speaker 1: the captain.
Speaker 4: Damn Mark.
Speaker 1: That's hundreds of matches.
Speaker 4: It's wild.
Speaker 1: Well we never learned.
Speaker 4: By the family. He's still trying to.
Speaker 1: There are schools though that they don't.
Speaker 4: Of course. It's like Finley in the Vine Man. That's
Speaker 4: that's happened it all over the right. What do you do?
Speaker 1: You can watch an indie match and you're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan and GIBRONI apart from the infamous taped fists incident,
Speaker 1: was there ever a piece of vice direction or order
Speaker 1: that just made you think, what the f So maybe
Speaker 1: the opposite of the last question.
Speaker 2: Oh here's what we did touch o this one my
Speaker 2: fair And I don't know if this really fits the
Speaker 2: answer to this question. One time we come in on
Speaker 2: a Monday and Bill goes, everybody's performing their favorite match
Speaker 2: on Friday.
Speaker 3: I don't even think it was like a Monday, the friday.
Speaker 3: I think it was like tomorrow. No, because we got
Speaker 3: a couple of nights and still even I think we
Speaker 3: have one day to study. Maybe it's all right, I'll
Speaker 3: let you tell us. It could be like Tuesday to Friday.
Speaker 3: This is like a ridiculous thing. Why why would you
Speaker 3: ever recreate a match?
Speaker 4: Like? What is he just said this Friday, we're recreating
Speaker 4: your favorite match? Pair up? Do it? We were just like,
Speaker 4: what is okay? Bill, Well, we're gonna show you.
Speaker 2: We were like, all right, motherfucker, it's on and we
Speaker 2: fucking dude mister us Bretteart SummerSlam ninety one. We go
Speaker 2: to Walmart. We buy like women's workout stuff. I make
Speaker 2: the baby blue single lit like he just makes Brett glasses.
Speaker 2: We found like like a pink notebook with like a
Speaker 2: plastic cover, and we cut it out and made Brett shade.
Speaker 3: Yeah because I had the bread chades but there at home,
Speaker 3: so we made him out of like a p if
Speaker 3: I can make them have a notebook at Walmart and matel.
Speaker 4: We were so bout.
Speaker 2: We had Kevin matthewschool and take pictures that we still
Speaker 2: have like promo shots of us like me is mister
Speaker 2: perfect and he's Brett, And then we watched We definitely
Speaker 2: studied the maund the Spots and ship and we recreated
Speaker 2: like Spots.
Speaker 4: With the jazz classic icy title. Yeah, we came I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's tough because I mean, you know, they
Speaker 1: were working on the fly for a lot of that too, So.
Speaker 4: We were doing it all day. Like the headlocked takeovers.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of headlock takeovers.
Speaker 2: We do the rip single at the end, you know,
Speaker 2: til he gets the single off and the bails dude.
Speaker 2: So like no one else took this seriously at all,
Speaker 2: like zero percent, like embarrassing to a te like and
Speaker 2: that we let them all go first. We told Bill
Speaker 2: like we'd like to go last. Do we play the
Speaker 2: music deep South? We came out full entrances, killed it.
Speaker 4: To down the house.
Speaker 2: The boys are going crazy and shit and just kind
Speaker 2: of like flipped whatever it was supposed to be. We
Speaker 2: flipped it on its ass like for everybody and Bill included.
Speaker 2: And I know the tape exists because Built taped everything.
Speaker 2: So Bill probably has a VHS tape. He's had the
Speaker 2: Jelly Donut tape.
Speaker 4: Definitely has that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's like one of those things that's like
Speaker 2: so stupid, but it was awesome because it just helped
Speaker 2: kind of pass the time of.
Speaker 4: Like being there, you know, like and yeah, but some
Speaker 4: kind of like camaraderie.
Speaker 1: I guess Broski says he doesn't get it, but we
Speaker 1: have a cap. You've made us do things. Not that,
Speaker 1: but you would say you have to wrestle as the undertaker,
Speaker 1: so you know we'd actually drawn names out of a hat.
Speaker 4: That that I understand though.
Speaker 2: That's like thinking differently, getting out of your shell and
Speaker 2: hit that changed Bronson's career doing that drill one time.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know the Triple H when and no I
Speaker 1: had him wrestlers.
Speaker 4: Missy Sampson remember her.
Speaker 2: And it's just like because Joe's a very nice guy,
Speaker 2: very to himself, and like he hadn't like we hadn't seen.
Speaker 4: Him like coming out of his shell.
Speaker 2: And Missy Sampson's this like big Lady Wrestler was like
Speaker 2: new jersey of these, and then you've got Missy Sampson.
Speaker 2: It like he had this like gear change and was
Speaker 2: like menacing and like it literally it altered his whole
Speaker 2: like training.
Speaker 4: It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: I remember Dave Taylor was saying when he was watching
Speaker 3: these matches, and he was like, you just.
Speaker 4: Did like that move so great. Why don't you start
Speaker 4: doing this move?
Speaker 2: You know, like because I was doing like the like
Speaker 2: back breaker like something like that, and I still I
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever done it since then. I was like,
Speaker 2: I think I was making fun of like the way
Speaker 2: the rock kicked somebody, and they was like those I remember
Speaker 2: some similar things, like that looks great.
Speaker 4: Why don't you just do that?
Speaker 2: I don't understand they're like trying to make fun of
Speaker 2: rock kicks, but these look better than your real kids.
Speaker 1: That is very true. I feel like somebody we made
Speaker 1: them a little shake then, right, yeah, yeah, we made
Speaker 1: somebody change their gimmick because they were so good, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't remember cop no, not thats based of the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was somebody who did I don't know,
Speaker 1: some some match like that. All right, Brian Cole, if
Speaker 1: you had to begin your development into wrestling at twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, where would you start? What would be different? Similar?
Speaker 1: That's a very interesting point.
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna blow smoke up Brian's ass, but like,
Speaker 3: if you're living like the triced area, how do you
Speaker 3: not go to create a bro.
Speaker 1: At this point? At this point, if you want to
Speaker 1: be a pro wrestler in the world, in the United States,
Speaker 1: why would you not move to New York?
Speaker 4: I don't understand.
Speaker 3: Like, besides, like, okay, we're in this pandemic, but like
Speaker 3: the Northeast the longest time has been like the spot
Speaker 3: for indies and plus like he's you know, he's banging
Speaker 3: out aw guy after aw guy, aw girl.
Speaker 4: Right, why would if you live in the Tri cit
Speaker 4: why the funk wouldn't you go there? I don't understand.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of it.
Speaker 2: Is people like it's very few people really really want this.
Speaker 2: I just want to be involved in it. So like
Speaker 2: if you go to like some Jibrilan school and you
Speaker 2: have a match maybe once a month, like that's sometimes
Speaker 2: even people will lie to themselves and pretend like, oh, I'm.
Speaker 4: Trying to make a w W. They're not like they're
Speaker 4: content with just be a Weekend Warrior or whatever. So
Speaker 4: that's fine, that's what your goal is whatever.
Speaker 1: But also the captain is is a commitment. And there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people that get into wrestling and
Speaker 1: become successful in wrestling, I feel, but when they were
Speaker 1: initially got in it, they were literally just trying it out.
Speaker 1: I could say that I was trying it out.
Speaker 4: I guess I can't relate to that because.
Speaker 1: No, because you wanted to be the w W superstar
Speaker 1: when I did it.
Speaker 4: People are coming to Grandbro. It's one at every twenty
Speaker 4: five have like our mindset, yes, the way we were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people are like I would like to try this.
Speaker 2: I literally don't because I don't. Credipro is not like
Speaker 2: a cash grab, Like if you're just like if this
Speaker 2: is not for you, or especially if a bad attitude,
Speaker 2: get we get rid of you real quick.
Speaker 4: But like I.
Speaker 2: Alway say, hey, I don't want your money right now,
Speaker 2: just come and watch a practice and let's go from there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like it's not worth it for me to
Speaker 2: have someone like Ruin. What cret pro is you know.
Speaker 4: Right right for sure? Uh?
Speaker 1: Okay, Jonah Armitage, What was the best extra talent spot
Speaker 1: you guys ever had during developmental example being seen him
Speaker 1: punk in Sina's. There's only an entrance, there's Bob Rudez
Speaker 1: cop ons back.
Speaker 3: Now there's only one it's Massive Square Garden. So we
Speaker 3: got a call and I remember Brian. This is like before,
Speaker 3: like people had their cell phones on them at all time.
Speaker 3: Like Brian is like he's played like fucking softball to
Speaker 3: your friends at college, and I'm like, Tommy.
Speaker 4: Dramer wants us at the garden tomorrow. You're like, fucking
Speaker 4: call me back. I'm leaving the voicemails and stuff. And
Speaker 4: he had to drive back. We went to Massive Square
Speaker 4: Garden first of all.
Speaker 1: Because you were up infield.
Speaker 3: This is before, like you know, everyone, if you're in
Speaker 3: the business, you're like a roller bag like I had like.
Speaker 4: A big Nike Duffel bag. I didn't have like a
Speaker 4: roller ba. We didn't know the fucker would do it.
Speaker 2: I remember Dan Barry told us it's disrespectful to have
Speaker 2: a rollerbag of you, but if you I'll.
Speaker 4: Never have that, damn.
Speaker 2: Barry said, it's disrespectful to have a roller bag if
Speaker 2: you haven't had a few years in the business yet,
Speaker 2: because you just not, you know, arrogantly roller your bag
Speaker 2: past veterans or whatever. So like we did have rollerback.
Speaker 3: That's why I thought Pat Buck was a piece of shit,
Speaker 3: because he would bring his roller backs dead YWC. He
Speaker 3: would come into ed YWC with like suit. One time,
Speaker 3: he's wearing this fucking bright yellow dress shirt. He had
Speaker 3: a hot bay of on his arms, the roller back
Speaker 3: with this piece of shit.
Speaker 2: It was right when that first Rick Flair DVD came
Speaker 2: out and everybody wanted to be Lair and he was.
Speaker 4: Giving us like the no look, headshake and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I thought was like ten years old.
Speaker 2: He's a year older if you're listening the way he
Speaker 2: carried himself such a pro He was.
Speaker 4: Such a dick to us at the beginning though, especially me.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know why anyway, So we
Speaker 3: go to mess g we don't know anything. We're shaking,
Speaker 3: We're trying to be super respectful. We're shaking everyone's has
Speaker 3: like fucking the stage hands like we don't know. I'll
Speaker 3: never forget. Keep it like a mental checklist. Look, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I didn't you shake Tompco's hand today because
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: His hand. So then of course we're looking around. We've
Speaker 4: never been there.
Speaker 2: MSG's super show. By the way, it was a smacked
Speaker 2: down table on a ROTI. So everyone's there, Oh Edie
Speaker 2: right crazy.
Speaker 4: So we're we're walking around and I don't know.
Speaker 1: What was the extra what was the extra locker story?
Speaker 4: So we don't I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't recall if someone said this is where the
Speaker 3: locker room is, we saw the male talent.
Speaker 4: We just walk into mail talent. I'm critic jbl the MSG.
Speaker 3: We're shaking hands and then uh, it was Eminem's debut
Speaker 3: and I told the story at Morrisons.
Speaker 4: They win the tag. It's like their second or third
Speaker 4: night they win the tags. Are you sure? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I told the story at Morrison's wedding. He
Speaker 3: comes like, hey, guys, uh, there's a locker room for
Speaker 3: guys like you over there, and he affords us the
Speaker 3: extra talent, thank god. And it's this like little closet
Speaker 3: and I remember like Daniel Brian was there, but I
Speaker 3: had no idea who he was because he had like
Speaker 3: a shaved head of his log beard looked home, bless girl.
Speaker 2: And I was in the clear oposica because at this time,
Speaker 2: like Ring of Honor is like my favorite ship two
Speaker 2: thousand and five, and I had just been with Ja
Speaker 2: Silva at a Ring of Honor, so that he made
Speaker 2: evented like a weekend before. Maybe I was like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck? And now me and him in the same
Speaker 2: like position like was nuts to me.
Speaker 1: Wait, I'm sorry who I missed who it was?
Speaker 3: And then I remember it's like a little in the room.
Speaker 3: The the it's like.
Speaker 4: A little closet.
Speaker 3: Neever trist status comes into like she's like, oh, can
Speaker 3: I come and try out this outfit?
Speaker 4: Like sure? And then she's like, well can you leave?
Speaker 4: It's crazy. That was Rick Michael's right after the ranks
Speaker 4: our gear now which we didn't.
Speaker 2: Like, Oh my god, change changed?
Speaker 1: Why would he? Why would she change?
Speaker 3: In your electoral No, because it wasn't a locker room
Speaker 3: seamsters were She just got some new gear and we're
Speaker 3: sitting there like hide and scared to death that she
Speaker 3: comes in she goes, oh, do you guys mind if
Speaker 3: I try these on in here?
Speaker 4: And we're like, oh, yeah, no problem. She goes leave
Speaker 4: like we were like we were not we were not
Speaker 4: getting what was going on. The best bars like comes in,
Speaker 4: one of your dads are here.
Speaker 2: My dad flashed his badge to get back stages walking
Speaker 2: around fucking SmackDown.
Speaker 4: No, no, this is my heart.
Speaker 3: My heart sank like a bright pink like Abercrombie and
Speaker 3: Fitch polo ship.
Speaker 4: Why would he do that?
Speaker 1: Did you say, Dad, get the fuck out of here?
Speaker 2: Reega man fucking crazy ho shit. The other thing that
Speaker 2: this is like way off. But someone who's making jokes
Speaker 2: yesterday about it if you've ever been a Druid and
Speaker 2: I was thinking, we remember we did that, embarrassing that.
Speaker 4: We were major brothers.
Speaker 2: We're major brothers on TV such Jabron's. They ran out
Speaker 2: of bodies and they made us be Druids on a
Speaker 2: SmackDown and are thinking like, holy shit, this is not good,
Speaker 2: Like really yeah, how brutal is that?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: They went the Sandals out of the Druid outfit. I
Speaker 2: never forgot where like so like bummed the battle like
Speaker 2: it's so like uh defeating and then brad Jay or
Speaker 2: Jay Bradley or Aid Noches a zillion wrestling names.
Speaker 4: He was always stuck with me Boys fifth time being
Speaker 4: a droop like thanks Bro really pumped.
Speaker 3: But that that MSG day I ended up working uh
Speaker 3: Matt Morgan, and I remember like on the back in
Speaker 3: the day, they would like Sergeant Slaughter would write out
Speaker 3: the card.
Speaker 4: And it'd be like post it everywhere.
Speaker 2: And I couldn't be Matt Cardona because it's Matt Morgan.
Speaker 2: His name is Matt, so it can't be two mats.
Speaker 2: So it was uh Brett Cardona. But they never announced
Speaker 2: me anyway, so it doesn't matter. But I stole the
Speaker 2: sheet and I still have it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 3: So I wrestled Matt Morgan. He was more nervous than
Speaker 3: I was. It was his like stuttering debut gimmick. I
Speaker 3: remember like backstage were going over it. He was like
Speaker 3: showing me on the floor practicing his pushes.
Speaker 1: And stuff like that.
Speaker 4: We watched that uh Live six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was a fun little match, and like
Speaker 3: I I thought, that was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 3: made it.
Speaker 4: I wrestled. I mean a whole shadow box out of it.
Speaker 4: Where is that It's in my garage anywhere.
Speaker 1: I felt the same way when I did the Viking Raiders.
Speaker 3: I felt like if I never if I never do
Speaker 3: anything else, no one could take that away from you
Speaker 3: if I if I never do anything else, I got
Speaker 3: wrestled on some back dad a massive regard and like
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 4: It, like I really thought, like I did it right.
Speaker 4: That was it. If I never made it right.
Speaker 1: One time, just one time I did. The Sheep guys
Speaker 1: we were beating up Brandy Orton and they ran.
Speaker 2: I remember that because that was most of it was
Speaker 2: you guys, and ro Doug pulled me aside, like because
Speaker 2: it was going into mania, right, yes, these guys cannot
Speaker 2: hurt him like this is like it was kind of scary.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Like they're putting the ship kicking Orton in
Speaker 4: the sheep.
Speaker 1: Mask like in the dark, and I was like off right,
Speaker 1: but they were nervous, so they made actual guy like
Speaker 1: the Ascension maybe sent one of the Ascension guys that
Speaker 1: Simon gotcha and his partner and ate English had to
Speaker 1: do it. And they were bummed. They were bummed that
Speaker 1: they had to be sheep people with the extras.
Speaker 4: Defeeding man, we have nothing for you on television, but
Speaker 4: you know it is what it.
Speaker 1: Is, uh okay? Jonathan Burgos During developmental, were there any
Speaker 1: places you guys would hang out regularly. Any funny story.
Speaker 4: Double Double D's was the spot and uh McDonough. That
Speaker 4: was wild.
Speaker 2: But then honestly, Louisville maybe more fun because it's Fourth Street,
Speaker 2: which is this awesome like strip of like all these
Speaker 2: different bars and it's got like there's like I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's all the time now, but there was
Speaker 2: this rule where you could you could like go take
Speaker 2: your drink to each spot.
Speaker 4: You just like walk around the like they was shut
Speaker 4: down the streets like cars.
Speaker 1: And there's no cars.
Speaker 2: And then it's like I want to say, it's like
Speaker 2: a lot of areas are like enclosed and like yeah,
Speaker 2: and you're allowed to just kind of like bar hop
Speaker 2: with your drink.
Speaker 4: It's almost like a like a Saint Patty's bark roll
Speaker 4: every night. That's cool.
Speaker 3: The first that we went out, I like blacked out
Speaker 3: in the bushes and woke up in the bushes and
Speaker 3: lost my.
Speaker 4: Phone bright and the same night.
Speaker 2: It was it was Derby weekend, which is like the
Speaker 2: biggest party weekend and in Louisville and just sat when
Speaker 2: the first time we got there and we went out
Speaker 2: and like rage so hard, like we lost we like
Speaker 2: lost each other. I woke up like a Casey James
Speaker 2: apartment floor, like like not like.
Speaker 4: Who he is? Where I was not? Like it was
Speaker 4: just nuts?
Speaker 2: Man was the partying was a blast, A lot of it.
Speaker 2: I'd do with chas everyone will go and like just rage.
Speaker 1: It was so fun, right, uh, Alyssa, Margaret, what is
Speaker 1: the best piece of advice someone gave each of you
Speaker 1: during billmental kind of kind of already.
Speaker 4: I really wish you would preread these questions.
Speaker 1: Sucking Chez Robinson, uh asked on Twitter. But now that
Speaker 1: you guys don't work for the w W, would you
Speaker 1: attend WrestleMania as fans?
Speaker 4: No? No, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 3: If if like Chelsea was in there, like like I
Speaker 3: saw Russev went to see Lana, that's an exception.
Speaker 4: That would be.
Speaker 1: Exception in a box like he's sitting like yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: thirty four, that's the exception.
Speaker 3: But like I would go in complete hiding. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: be a hat like face man, even though no pandemic
Speaker 3: wear the mask woo head Ben why I wouldn't want
Speaker 3: to get recognized.
Speaker 1: All right, But yeah, you wouldn't be going fans, you'd
Speaker 1: be going friends and family really yeah, Josh Hoaganzale is
Speaker 1: best and worst match.
Speaker 4: During your time in developmental.
Speaker 3: Jeez, we had a couple of bangers with Deuce and Domino.
Speaker 3: I definitely I remember when this is a bad match
Speaker 3: that it is my fault. We were wrestling Charles the
Speaker 3: Hammer Evans and uh Bam Neely what was he like
Speaker 3: ox Oxen Hammer, So I remember the finish was supposed
Speaker 3: to be I think, uh, ox has you like in
Speaker 3: like a fallaway slam position, and I'm supposed to drop
Speaker 3: kick from the top of missile, drop kick Brian's back
Speaker 3: and then he landsed on one, two three. But for
Speaker 3: some reason, like I don't know what the fuck I
Speaker 3: was thinking, like I just did the drop kick and
Speaker 3: I dropped kicked Oxes back, so.
Speaker 4: He like slammed like world strugg slams Brian down. It
Speaker 4: was something like he was supposed to feed, then you
Speaker 4: jump before you fed.
Speaker 3: Something like maybe or maybe I thought like I was
Speaker 3: gonna kick in the road swing Brian like body slam
Speaker 3: roll up style. I don't know if there was miscommunication
Speaker 3: or what, but either way, the funk ups on me
Speaker 3: because I kicked him back, he drops him. So then
Speaker 3: we like we Luckily we had another finish lined up
Speaker 3: that we did, but it was I hate messing up,
Speaker 3: and like, that's when it's on you.
Speaker 4: It's on you.
Speaker 2: And I think in that same match I used to
Speaker 2: I used to this all time when I was a
Speaker 2: baby face, Like you jumped daytail, so you jump off
Speaker 2: the second and turn into a cross body like run
Speaker 2: up like up and over style, you spin and I slipped, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I give it to like I basically catch him
Speaker 2: like an ankle across body. And then the other guy
Speaker 2: had this whole thing was Sean and Hunter were there
Speaker 2: basically scoting over there to like shut it down retrospect,
Speaker 2: and I remember albuting.
Speaker 4: Like you guys were spooked. D X was here and
Speaker 4: you know you spooked kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Were like, I don't really think that was it. We
Speaker 2: just had a ship match out, but thanks, huh.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, well, I can't believe you don't
Speaker 1: remember that.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the same one. But Charles
Speaker 4: A M Were like it was he's this big dude.
Speaker 4: It was hard to work him. How old is that?
Speaker 4: Their manager was Tomaso? Yeah, there their manager.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even like allowed to be a wrestler though
Speaker 2: he signed was Tomasa Champa when we worked them, whoa.
Speaker 4: He's just like he was like a Thomas pen and
Speaker 4: he was like the skinny like nerd character.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, I wrestled Thomas on the Indies way back.
Speaker 1: It's like a six man.
Speaker 4: We actually pinned him.
Speaker 2: I pinned him to win the tag titles because it's
Speaker 2: like a special match where we make it's like three
Speaker 2: on two and we make him be in there.
Speaker 3: And I wish I don't have any pictures of us
Speaker 3: with the tag titles besides the one of us Brad
Speaker 3: Jay and our whole coc and.
Speaker 4: Cupboard cutout that before out the four Street One Night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we came in and within a weeks we were
Speaker 2: the tag champs and Brad was the heavyweight chat but.
Speaker 4: I think we all lived together. Yeah, I think we
Speaker 4: hated Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh Coley Peak. Did any larger stars such as Ray
Speaker 1: seen a Taker, Triple AhR Orton give you any advice?
Speaker 1: He says, once you hit the main roster, But was
Speaker 1: there any kind of connection? Did any of those guys
Speaker 1: ever show up to developmentals?
Speaker 2: So people come all the time to do big shows,
Speaker 2: especially Obi w because would have those the six Wakes
Speaker 2: shows and they'd always have like a big headliner. God dude,
Speaker 2: we hung out with them while two weeks before he
Speaker 2: died all night long, like on Fourth Street and bar
Speaker 2: hopped with.
Speaker 4: Them and hung it like just us him and like
Speaker 4: Jesse and Festus. Was that Fourth Street we like?
Speaker 2: Would we started there, I want to say, and then
Speaker 2: went to like other bars and yeah what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely remember going out with them. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I didn't know where it was, but
Speaker 3: I remember that and he was so intimating and he
Speaker 3: wanted to say the wrong thing. But he liked us
Speaker 3: a lot actually, So.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we told we tell the Benwall story.
Speaker 2: No, okay, so you never talked about Yeah, well, early
Speaker 2: in the podcast days were terrified to say his name.
Speaker 3: But then while for somebody took a liking to us.
Speaker 3: I think he realized that we were like like true fans,
Speaker 3: and he would come to Deep South every once in
Speaker 3: a while, so knew us there. So we were, you know,
Speaker 3: we were doing live event loops and usually as the
Speaker 3: major brothers, but not the main roster yet. So we'd
Speaker 3: go up and we do a week in the loops
Speaker 3: and then we'd usually have the dark match, but against
Speaker 3: like Katea Murdoch or whatever. So we had a dark
Speaker 3: match that's Cada Murdoch and ben Wa pulled us aside
Speaker 3: and said like hey, like he didn't have to do this.
Speaker 3: He said something like, I want to watch your match
Speaker 3: with you in Catering because in Catering they usually.
Speaker 2: Have like the we have the tape of the HS
Speaker 2: tape into like a you know, TV with a VH
Speaker 2: built into it, and you could like watch last week's stuff,
Speaker 2: and he.
Speaker 4: Wanted to like critique.
Speaker 2: I said, you know, when none of the vets are there,
Speaker 2: and if you see the TV is free, you tell
Speaker 2: me and I'll watch it with you.
Speaker 4: And we were like, okay, thanks Chris, and.
Speaker 2: I'll bet I'll never forget this, Okay. So first he watched,
Speaker 2: we watched the match. He gives us feed no no,
Speaker 2: no skipped them. He says this to us in the day.
Speaker 2: Obviously it's early to day.
Speaker 4: The boys are all there, the TV is not free,
Speaker 4: and I think you were like, hey, it's free.
Speaker 2: We should ask him. He said something and said you're right.
Speaker 2: So we find him nowhere near Catering, deep in the
Speaker 2: bowels of this arena and he would always chew on
Speaker 2: the coffee stir. He was walking chewing on a coffee
Speaker 2: store and we're like, oh, mister manma, like the TV's free,
Speaker 2: if you'd like to watch the match, you know, we'd
Speaker 2: love to do it. And he her negles, he's the
Speaker 2: we stir in his mouth.
Speaker 4: He's like, let's go. It's just like scary. And then
Speaker 4: he went and were like silent marching with Ben Wade
Speaker 4: catering to watch the match. And then he watched them, and.
Speaker 3: He couldn't have been cooler, asking us like who we
Speaker 3: grew up like watching and who we wanted to be like.
Speaker 4: So he gives us the feedback, great feedback. Whatever.
Speaker 3: The next week. The next week, okay, the same tape
Speaker 3: is playing, Chris is watching it. Chris thinks that it's
Speaker 3: a new tape and that we didn't listen to his advice.
Speaker 2: Oh no, And then now we have to correct him,
Speaker 2: which is equally scary.
Speaker 4: Likes that's less, that's.
Speaker 1: Promise you like, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I don't know why we had Like the people who
Speaker 2: didn't know us thought we were tough enough people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all from tough enough. I forget that we had this.
Speaker 2: It's a ship match, It's what it's It's a major
Speaker 2: brother main roster smack the match in the summer of seven,
Speaker 2: and it's supposed to be a get over match with
Speaker 2: us against Chavo and Jamie. Know when Java jam don't
Speaker 2: do not want.
Speaker 4: To Chavo the first of all.
Speaker 2: Chava's the cruiserway chap and then they tell jab that
Speaker 2: he can't get pid because he's not important to that Hessed.
Speaker 2: It's a whole it was, I mean, and I don't
Speaker 2: blame him for being pissed about it. And then like
Speaker 2: we're calling it like Chava won't even speak to us,
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to do it. Jamie sitting there like
Speaker 2: I remember, like y'all from Tough Enough Rat, It's just
Speaker 2: like silence.
Speaker 4: Were like, what what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Like I don't know why we just had and like
Speaker 2: I just had that like stigma just two like I
Speaker 2: guess pretty twenty.
Speaker 4: Three year old kids like men. You know, I don't
Speaker 4: blame him.
Speaker 1: I had no idea. You guys even talked to Ben whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we we legit went out with him, partied
Speaker 4: with him for sure. Yeah, We're we're on that loop.
Speaker 4: That he's not there. We lived that whole weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fuck, I had no idea you ever hear The
Speaker 3: fuck is horrible, But so like we all it's Monday
Speaker 3: night row Vince had b blew up in the limbo
Speaker 3: of the week before, right, so we have to be
Speaker 3: at raw all in black.
Speaker 4: We got the talent email. Everyone where funeral attire, so
Speaker 4: there's like ready or whatever. So there's like a coffin,
Speaker 4: like they're gonna it's gonna make a coffin on the stage.
Speaker 4: So it was just really weird and we get curious.
Speaker 3: Fuck man, we get called to ringside all in black
Speaker 3: and like oh my god, like and that's where we
Speaker 3: hear the news about Chris's passing the family and what
Speaker 3: the tragedy and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: But years later I found out J T.
Speaker 3: G thought we were going to Wrestler's Court because he
Speaker 3: was like messing around with rat. So so what he
Speaker 3: hears that we're going, he thinks he's going to wrestler's court.
Speaker 4: He hears his big meat.
Speaker 2: He gets out there, he sees like triple A trapids
Speaker 2: He's like, oh my god, this is the worst Wrestler's
Speaker 2: court ever. Got so much heat and then it's that
Speaker 2: and then like everyone forgot about the rout thing. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, it's in his book. I'm not telling like
Speaker 2: a Kpape story, it's it's in jtg's book.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's something I don't really want to get into.
Speaker 4: The whole weekend. I mean, we lived it.
Speaker 2: It's there's a lot of stuff, but other like Vince
Speaker 2: gives that message and everyone's just it's dead silence, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you just hear.
Speaker 4: And then like I kind of like peer over and
Speaker 4: it's Elijah Bird crying.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 4: Like there's just some weird scene.
Speaker 2: Man, it was just like some what It's something that
Speaker 2: like you just don't forget stuff if you live something
Speaker 2: like that, Like I have so many vivid vivid vivid.
Speaker 2: There's weekends of my career I've completely forgotten. Don't Eve
Speaker 2: couldn't tell you one thing about I can tell you
Speaker 2: literally every day. I will always remember that that building
Speaker 2: for two reasons.
Speaker 3: That and that is a building where I couldn't fix
Speaker 3: the tire and cane the place Corpus Christy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh Jeesus, Jesus.
Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna say it's Vicky Guerrero or something.
Speaker 2: Vicky was crying, got like escorted out team Michael grabbed round,
Speaker 2: I remember, and then we're all sitting there like stun silence,
Speaker 2: like it felt like twenty seconds maybe, and then that's
Speaker 2: the first thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god, we all cry. All right.
Speaker 1: A couple questions, all right, l vlog star, when you
Speaker 1: were thinking of moves, what was one move that you'd
Speaker 1: always wanted to do that you got to do it
Speaker 1: and one that you have never attempted or landed?
Speaker 4: You tell the crime time. So we didn't tell that.
Speaker 4: Oh okay. So in OBW they watched Deep South. Yes,
Speaker 4: both parties were supposed to.
Speaker 2: Both schools were instructed to, like, like we Deep South
Speaker 2: to have our tape review of our show, and we
Speaker 2: were supposed to. It was supposed to bleed into right
Speaker 2: away we watch job W. It was like a mandatory thing.
Speaker 2: But Jody Hamlson be like, we're the best. God damn,
Speaker 2: we're not watching that bullshit, Like he didn't want to
Speaker 2: still like watch, so we never watched it. We would
Speaker 2: steal it like the DVDs would come and we were
Speaker 2: supposed to watch it, and like we would steal and
Speaker 2: watch it like or take it home and watch.
Speaker 4: It or whatever. But we were never forced to watch it.
Speaker 2: Apparently like al was following the rules in OBW and
Speaker 2: they would do theirs and they were they would sit
Speaker 2: through boring ass deep South shows like forced.
Speaker 4: To watch us. They were seeing us all the time.
Speaker 4: I think you came up with the the move. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the move is like Brian has them up like
Speaker 3: in a samoan drop, and then I got on the
Speaker 3: second and I do like almost like a blockbuster as
Speaker 3: he does.
Speaker 4: The samo and drop. Yeah. The wait do you guys
Speaker 4: do tonight? We haven't done since we watched it. Oh, bro,
Speaker 4: I was gonna kill him in Saudio Arabia.
Speaker 2: I still don't even think it's my fault, of course,
Speaker 2: because Brian will never take it fifty to fifty, I'd
Speaker 2: still say, Brian, oh, I.
Speaker 1: Remember this right.
Speaker 4: You need to wait for me to connect before you bump.
Speaker 3: Brian bumped. There's I cannot I'm not spider man. I
Speaker 3: can't catch up. Once you fall, I can't catch up.
Speaker 3: There's nothing I can do. Taking full credit it, but
Speaker 3: you bumped before I before I get.
Speaker 4: Like, we've done it a million times. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I need to raise him and then you budn't feel
Speaker 4: like I did anything different. That's whatever. We watched it
Speaker 4: there in Saudi Arabia and then anything. So we do
Speaker 4: it in Deep South. It's our finish and like we're
Speaker 4: the chance. I mean, we do it all the time
Speaker 4: like it's our thing. It's our thing, and especially if
Speaker 4: you're forced to watch the show.
Speaker 3: Here's another thing that I like. Another like Bill would
Speaker 3: beg us do things for some reason. He would like
Speaker 3: make us like flip flop it sometimes like just he's
Speaker 3: like and I didn't understand why, Like but the Hart
Speaker 3: Foundation don't flip flop. Yeah, and like so we had
Speaker 3: to like flip up and it was always this awkward
Speaker 3: you know when you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3: So Pat Buck he called Mew and I guess they
Speaker 3: were watching the tape and Crime Time so and they said, like.
Speaker 2: Stealing it and they knew they were debuting and they
Speaker 2: needed to finish on Raw and they're like stealing it.
Speaker 4: And Pat's like, hey, dude, I'm pretty sure they could
Speaker 4: like debuting Raw Monday and use your guys finished just
Speaker 4: get mer heads up. We're like, nah, they won't do that.
Speaker 4: We don't know them at all. We've never met them, Like,
Speaker 4: no way they did. We're watching all that night.
Speaker 3: Here, sure, and they did it a little differently where
Speaker 3: like they don't JTG isn't on the second he's like
Speaker 3: running and does it, which I don't think looks as impactful.
Speaker 4: But whatever, they did it so then we couldn't do it. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's insane, But that's pro wrestling. I mean, Heath
Speaker 2: will tell you if if we got him down the
Speaker 2: hall is he never shuts up about it. That Ziggler
Speaker 2: did the same thing to He debuted as Dolph Ziggler,
Speaker 2: and Heath was doing the zig zagg developmental for years
Speaker 2: and it was like his move and he just.
Speaker 4: Flat out like, but that's that's the wrestling business, right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember Michael Hayes once told me that I had
Speaker 3: to stop doing my jumping clothes line in the comeback
Speaker 3: because Roman Reigns does it. Said Michael, it's a closed line,
Speaker 3: Like I'm not doing the spear here.
Speaker 2: One time I beat like a ray On Main Event
Speaker 2: or whatever Superstars with my top row belbow, which if
Speaker 2: I ever won, I would do that years years and years.
Speaker 2: He goes, what in the hell was that? And I
Speaker 2: was like what what the top row bilbow? I'm like,
Speaker 2: you can't do that.
Speaker 4: I see him punks move and I was like, what
Speaker 4: is it? I'm taking crazy pills. I wish you would
Speaker 4: say it now because everyone does anyone else's moves that now?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Good luck?
Speaker 1: Did you guys like was there like practice where like
Speaker 1: you're working on moves or is that like open ring
Speaker 1: type type ring stuff?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah there you like it didn't really exist though a
Speaker 2: developmentally just open ring where you can do stuff if
Speaker 2: you wanted to stay extra. It was never like, all right,
Speaker 2: here's here's an open ring time how to stay extra?
Speaker 4: Right right right?
Speaker 2: You did so much drills and bumping, Like fuck, what
Speaker 2: else could you do? Like because stay back and tout
Speaker 2: out this power bomb.
Speaker 4: With me and nobody wants to do Ye need a
Speaker 4: part three? You can keep going?
Speaker 1: It's too many story Daniel Brewer The living situation when
Speaker 1: you hit when you get to the city, are you
Speaker 1: living with three or four guys to an apartment living
Speaker 1: w deep South?
Speaker 2: Either Deep South is us together and deep sad? We
Speaker 2: move into this apartment beautiful, I think it was.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's brand new, no one ever lived
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 2: Like what I felt like an unbelievable washing and dryer,
Speaker 2: big nice kitchen there. When we got furniture, we got
Speaker 2: the Washington dryer. Yeah yeah, we rent them. We made
Speaker 2: and we made it like nice. Like we went and
Speaker 2: got like a dining table, couch set, all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I think we signed we signed like a weird
Speaker 2: like eight month lease or something like something weird like that,
Speaker 2: and it was coming up.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was just six months maybe, and it was
Speaker 4: coming up.
Speaker 2: And we knew like we wanted to be able to
Speaker 2: like get go home as soon as possible, like once
Speaker 2: we like things situated and we got called up or.
Speaker 3: Whatever back then, Like okay, now NX is different, it's
Speaker 3: not developmental anymore.
Speaker 2: Right, we know that the people are there forever five years.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it wasn't like that and we wor deep South.
Speaker 2: It was either there for a year or so or
Speaker 2: you're fired.
Speaker 4: It was like a you're fired, you don't have to stay.
Speaker 4: It's like no one will just stay in mcdime like
Speaker 4: we called up soon or not.
Speaker 2: I like to have that lease and to bound the least.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of money, like right, OK, you don't
Speaker 2: want to be in that situation. So then we really
Speaker 2: hit it off with Danny Inferno was Danny Jimondo and
Speaker 2: he was living with this girl. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they were like engage or something. And then they had
Speaker 2: this awesome house that we would go hang out with
Speaker 2: then watch wrestling. It was like an it was a
Speaker 2: house house, Yeah it connect Was it connected to another
Speaker 2: house or is it stand alone? Remember I think it's
Speaker 2: a standalone. And then like they broke up and he
Speaker 2: had this awesome, like unbelievably furnished, big house that we
Speaker 2: go hang out watch wrestling, and then like they broke up,
Speaker 2: and I guess she took all the stuff.
Speaker 4: We went over one day and he was like watching
Speaker 4: wrestling in a lawn chair in this big living room.
Speaker 4: We're like what the hell.
Speaker 2: And we're like, well, our lease is coming up, like
Speaker 2: we'll move in with all our stuff and that way
Speaker 2: we can help you pay the rent. And then like
Speaker 2: we don't have a lease, we have to break you
Speaker 2: know who. We can just bail when we bail, And
Speaker 2: he was like, oh deal. So we had this like
Speaker 2: big cool house for a long time. How long were
Speaker 2: you there?
Speaker 4: Another six month till the end?
Speaker 1: I remember we was so you only lived in that
Speaker 1: apartment for like six months, but feels the eternity.
Speaker 2: It feels like for I think it was like a
Speaker 2: weird like eight months May we did four months with Inferno.
Speaker 3: I remember we went because now we had a backyard,
Speaker 3: and we went to Walmart and got a trampoline and.
Speaker 4: One day I bought him. We went and just got
Speaker 4: a tramplate and would just mess around the trampline in
Speaker 4: the back. Yeah, doesn't gall. No, I don't know where
Speaker 4: it went. I mean it's got dead and gone. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: it must be.
Speaker 2: And then in Louisville we did kind of the same thing,
Speaker 2: but we got a three bedroom with Brad Jay with
Speaker 2: the same intentions of like we gotta get.
Speaker 1: Out of here, all right, Ben King, He must be Australian.
Speaker 1: Were there any Australians in developmental during your time and
Speaker 1: did they enjoy McDonough No, No, there wasn't.
Speaker 4: As many like international, especially McDonough like there a lot
Speaker 4: of people. Yeah, not a lot of Like there was
Speaker 4: like probably teny Omega and shot Tala from Canada. I
Speaker 4: can't think of anyone.
Speaker 1: Else even oh, he says, yeah, he says Canada.
Speaker 4: And TJ eventually came from Canada. You can't think of
Speaker 4: like Kofe was from Boston, Jamaica. Boston, Jamaica.
Speaker 1: Nathan Ramos in developmental do you learn how to go
Speaker 1: through a table?
Speaker 4: Or is it more okay a funny story.
Speaker 3: So I remember we were wrestling Mike Knox and I
Speaker 3: believe Derek Nikerk, and we convinced Jody Hamilton to let
Speaker 3: me go through a table. But we had to go
Speaker 3: buy one, and we drove around and we finally found one,
Speaker 3: and it was like it was like a wooden table.
Speaker 3: It was like a little smaller. We still used it
Speaker 3: and I went through it and for the longest time,
Speaker 3: I saved like a piece of the broken table.
Speaker 4: But I don't know where it is.
Speaker 2: I think he might have got lost in one of
Speaker 2: my moves. Wow, but nobody taught me how to do it.
Speaker 2: I love that Knox Sniker for fun to wrestle. We
Speaker 2: had a good, really good match to them. I remember
Speaker 2: at the arena. Not that loud of that one.
Speaker 1: A couple more questions. This is a good one, Marcus Avitilla.
Speaker 1: What was the hardest drill you guys had to do
Speaker 1: during developmental training?
Speaker 2: I think a good I don't think you've ever really
Speaker 2: done a good doctor Tom, Like what you've done a
Speaker 2: real doctor?
Speaker 4: I guess you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, there's one dude, one time. I'll never
Speaker 2: forget this. At FCW we're doing a Doctor Tom. I
Speaker 2: don't even think I was hungover. It's just so hard
Speaker 2: and so much stuff. Maybe I was hungover, but I
Speaker 2: looked at Tom. I said, Tom, I'm not even blow up,
Speaker 2: but I'm about to ship my pants from like being
Speaker 2: blown up or something like either I show my pants
Speaker 2: is ring and I stop, or like, you gotta give
Speaker 2: me a break and I like had to bail and
Speaker 2: like go to the bathroom.
Speaker 4: It was so hard.
Speaker 1: And Jeff did that one time. Yeah, but he never
Speaker 1: came back. Did you get back? What do you remember that?
Speaker 2: I mean, Joe, Joe Bronson and MJF have shipped Creator Pro.
Speaker 2: It's like they come there to ship. It drives me nuts.
Speaker 2: Well no bathrooms at their homes or something.
Speaker 4: It's like nuts.
Speaker 1: Actually this was I think Max got in trouble for this.
Speaker 1: But he is in the middle of the Doctor Tom.
Speaker 1: We all do the Doctor Tom.
Speaker 4: You have to do.
Speaker 1: It's like an unwritten rule.
Speaker 4: You hear it. Quit the point of the docor Tom.
Speaker 2: It goes above and beyond a match endurance and cardio
Speaker 2: so you're ready for your no match can be too
Speaker 2: hard for you because you're over you compt yeah.
Speaker 4: Exactly, which I think is genius. It works.
Speaker 3: But I think that's the kind of drill that I
Speaker 3: do appreciate, because sometimes I think drills are stupid. That
Speaker 3: is a drill I think is beneficial and has a purpose.
Speaker 1: I would request that Brian, like, what do you guys
Speaker 1: want to do? I would say doctor.
Speaker 4: Tocause I think it's like more bang for your bucks,
Speaker 4: just if you're going to train and do it, get it.
Speaker 4: I agree some things that I hated doing this might
Speaker 4: sound like it's minor.
Speaker 1: Well, hold on, by the way, So Max left in
Speaker 1: the middle of the Doctor Tom and went to the
Speaker 1: bathroom and then never did the drill, and then you
Speaker 1: got in trouble. Never finished that there was either. I
Speaker 1: think both you and Pa were there.
Speaker 3: Really One drill that I hated, hated was the three
Speaker 3: minute crisscross of the running the ropes hard and Bill
Speaker 3: the Mott would blow the whistle and then you have
Speaker 3: to do drop downs's three minutes three minutes.
Speaker 4: It sucks.
Speaker 2: Another thing It's basically like they equal them to someone
Speaker 2: going run. And then when I say do a burpie,
Speaker 2: do a burpie? About that sprinting and then whenever burpy
Speaker 2: burpy and then keep sprinting for three minutes straight.
Speaker 4: It's not not easy.
Speaker 3: Some other drill I don't recall exactly what it was,
Speaker 3: but it involved like me being in there were like
Speaker 3: almost like everyone was doing stuff to me, and then
Speaker 3: last Bill came in and just like laid on me,
Speaker 3: big fat Bill and then turned the strobe lights in
Speaker 3: the arena.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that that?
Speaker 2: Like what was that was one of those drills that
Speaker 2: like people stoosed on them and like back to the office,
Speaker 2: so I had to like die.
Speaker 4: But that was right when we got there, Like there's
Speaker 4: it was called something like I don't know, man in
Speaker 4: the middle or whatever, and like he would just.
Speaker 2: Be like Mike Body, Slam Brett Major, this guy do this,
Speaker 2: and like just you just basically get fucked up for
Speaker 2: twenty minutes and then he just Bill comes in for
Speaker 2: the last five of where you're like worthless and just
Speaker 2: like you kind of stretch you.
Speaker 4: Like you can't do it, cross face you and lay
Speaker 4: on you some reason to fucking like stroll lights were on,
Speaker 4: Like remember that? Yeah I don't. Yeah, I can't remember that.
Speaker 2: And I can't tell you why that was like weird
Speaker 2: customs something. It was like very early in our deep
Speaker 2: self running. And I always think he couldn't remember which
Speaker 2: one he did it to. It's like I never did it.
Speaker 4: I did. Yeah. I think we were so like new
Speaker 4: and unidentified. I don't think he knew who was who,
Speaker 4: and like I never had to do it. I did.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you that. I ken Omega. I thought MA
Speaker 4: was gonna die. Oh he was just laying on trying
Speaker 4: to suffocate. Imagine being so blown up and then like
Speaker 4: you can't like push yourself up and push up position
Speaker 4: you're so blown you're and then done and then there's
Speaker 4: three hundred man gets on you. He's cross facing, like yeah,
Speaker 4: you're supposed to do. I can just smell his like
Speaker 4: forearm close, smell his sweaty forums Cross's pretty traumatizing. I
Speaker 4: love Bill. If he's listening, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, last last I love that.
Speaker 4: Okay, he's not listening whatever.
Speaker 1: Last question, especially not the Patreon Hard Foundation bonus.
Speaker 2: You see William DeMott, sweet will Yeah, but I know
Speaker 2: your email, big sweet, will you all right?
Speaker 1: Last question just just a little happy one greatest and
Speaker 1: most disappointing fig hunt during developmental you guys talk about we.
Speaker 4: Touched on that.
Speaker 2: We would literally like set up these map quest like
Speaker 2: expeditions and just spend a whole Saturday like crushing it.
Speaker 4: Any think any great remember disappointing one?
Speaker 3: I do remember when we were in ov W we
Speaker 3: were like almost like around the block from a Toys
Speaker 3: r US.
Speaker 2: Yeah, schools cool, let's thinks so close and I missed
Speaker 2: t me too, and we'd hit that all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't recall I get disappointed. I mean, anytime you
Speaker 2: go to five something, it's not that's disappointing, right right,
Speaker 2: that's funny, Like we didn't have a lot of snaff foos,
Speaker 2: like we're looking for the same stuff.
Speaker 4: But I can't ever remember having like, oh no, this
Speaker 4: is mine. They're like we didn't like. I didn't really like.
Speaker 3: I think we told this before that we would this
Speaker 3: before GPS. We map quest a bunch of Toys r
Speaker 3: uses and to find the hellmet cell at the time,
Speaker 3: which was cool.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the classics were when I think of developmental,
Speaker 2: we were collecting deep into the classics and those were
Speaker 2: coming like fresh, and we would always be looking for those,
Speaker 2: and we were.
Speaker 3: Using ring Side but before Code Major, so we weren't
Speaker 3: getting that ten percent. And that's I remember I made
Speaker 3: a deal with John from Ringside. I think I reached
Speaker 3: this one my first relationship with John. I reached out
Speaker 3: with him, reached out to him. I said like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm in we developmental. Can I get some
Speaker 3: sort of deal for these rocky figures like I buy
Speaker 3: like the whole set.
Speaker 4: They gave me a little deal. That's cool, that's where
Speaker 4: the case.
Speaker 1: It was probably ten percent, just gave me that.
Speaker 2: Weirdly remember getting that first d CW said, meaning so
Speaker 2: pumped because I was seeing punk source figure and I
Speaker 2: was a big fan of this and that was like
Speaker 2: a big I think we pre order those from Ringside.
Speaker 4: It was so pumped.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, cool?
Speaker 4: Uh definitely not for part three, you guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's just crazy, there's something so much,
Speaker 1: all right, I mean there's some questions here that are
Speaker 1: still left on the board. So and then obviously these
Speaker 1: this will spawn more questions, I think, so so we'll
Speaker 1: just keep going. We'll talk about training and all that,
Speaker 1: and then eventually we'll move on to getting called up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh until then,