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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony

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<v Speaker 1>Gerdaman here as always with time more times. How's it going, Tony?

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<v Speaker 2>We are here with our free trophies or podcasting excellence.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see those right behind us right there. One

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<v Speaker 2>of them we got for the Michigan coverage. We did

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<v Speaker 2>one of them movie for the Ohio state coverage, and

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<v Speaker 2>the third one is not labeled, so I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know that's coverage to be determined. They're just presuming that

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna win it, which is a safe presumption.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't say bold prediction, so I can safely say

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<v Speaker 2>what it doesn't what it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>For anyway, Welcome to the While we're recording this, this

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<v Speaker 1>is day two of Big Den Media Days, Ohio status

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<v Speaker 1>here today and the topic I wanted to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom is what are the possibilities that the three guys

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<v Speaker 1>that we talked to today are first Team All Americans?

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<v Speaker 1>Because do you remember who we talked to last year?

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<v Speaker 2>As I will say yes, as long as you have

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely no follow up, I will tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>All three turned out to be First Team All Americans?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Was was Jeremiah Smith there? Last year? I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it was Newsworthy last year. I believe it was

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<v Speaker 2>three guys who none of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Were old enough to check into a kitchen. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>three people.

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<v Speaker 2>Who were not old enough to check into a hotel room.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that. So it was Sunny Styles, Jeremiah Smith and.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the other nineteen All Americans on last year's team. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't really narrow it down all that much. Third

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<v Speaker 1>year player, they're no longer with the team. Yeah, Caleb

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<v Speaker 1>of some sort?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, oh yes, yes, they did hold Caleb downs

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<v Speaker 2>in somewhat high regard. I forgot. I forgot about that,

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<v Speaker 2>that he was liked and respected within the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, is that because you've already moved on to

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<v Speaker 1>the Jalen McLain era.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's how you name in Ohio state

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<v Speaker 2>safety Jalen McClain. I can't think of any others ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I do what, Let's start start off with

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<v Speaker 1>Jaalen McLain. Who is he is here today? With Jeremiah

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<v Speaker 1>Smith and Julian Sayan And sure, you know we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to Julian Saying and Jeremiah Smith coming up coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jalen McClain the way the coaches talk about and

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<v Speaker 1>the way his teammates talk about him, the way that

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen a little bit of him. We've seen him

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<v Speaker 1>he started all of last year, started a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>games as a true freshman, but we haven't really seen

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<v Speaker 1>him unleashed yet. I think a lot of the defense

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<v Speaker 1>last year was designed for Caleb Downs to go do

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<v Speaker 1>what he wanted. This year, with no Caleb Downs, that

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<v Speaker 1>gives Matt Patricia more opportunity to do stuff with Jalen McClain,

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<v Speaker 1>more opportunity for Jalen McClain to do stuff. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it's going to come down to attention and knowing

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<v Speaker 1>his name. And I think you could already just start

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative in terms of, well, this guy's replacing Caleb

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<v Speaker 1>Downs and that that will help. But it also creates

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<v Speaker 1>this level of judgment that he has.

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<v Speaker 2>To me well, and that's that's like an unfair benchmarkets.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like being the second.

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<v Speaker 2>Kid, which I couldn't relate as the oldest, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you know you're the second kid, you know, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Oldest kids like they did not get it correct, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they kept trying until they did.

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<v Speaker 2>I was the youngest, and then they're like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're done here. It's ever again, won't make

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<v Speaker 2>that mistake again? Yeah, the first one. The first one

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<v Speaker 2>goes through and you know, oh, well, they were on

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<v Speaker 2>the honor roll. Why aren't you on the honor roll

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<v Speaker 2>like they were? Or you're on their honor roll but

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<v Speaker 2>not on the high honor roll. Why weren't you on

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<v Speaker 2>the higher honor roll like your older sibling? Like that?

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like Killin Downs is going to be remembered

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<v Speaker 2>with this like he was. He was talked about with

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<v Speaker 2>this like angelic glow around him even while he was

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<v Speaker 2>at Ohio State. Now that he's gone, it's going to be, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you remember Caleb Downs, he was the best. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else they can't be the best because Kele Downs

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<v Speaker 2>is the best. That's gonna be a hard standard to

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<v Speaker 2>live up to. But it's also, you know, all of

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<v Speaker 2>this is gonna be true of all of these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys are all going to have opportunities to if

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<v Speaker 2>they play well early in the season. You show out

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<v Speaker 2>in that Texas game, then all American voters are going

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<v Speaker 2>to go, oh, yes, I remember that guy. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who had the interception, or he was a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who had one hundred and fifty years receiving or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it was in that Texas game. Jilla McLain is

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<v Speaker 2>someone who I don't He's certainly not the person I

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<v Speaker 2>think is the most likely to be a first team

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<v Speaker 2>All American out of this group. The voters get fatigue

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<v Speaker 2>voting for certain positions and certain schools, Like I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like there's Jeremiah said has maybe suffered a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>from this with the Blitnikov Award, where he very easily

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<v Speaker 2>could have won it either the last two years. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, we've given this to an Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>State receiver. Were always talking about Ohio State receiver. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about someone else. It feels like that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>factors into you might just have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State safety fatigue.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I think that's where it's up to Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>to get past that, to play past that. And you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned this angelic speaking of Haleb Downs. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>some devilish speaking about Jalen McClain around the program in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of what he could be for the defense. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's one guy to keep your eye on. The next guy.

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<v Speaker 1>We can probably just do an entire show on in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of Julian saying and being an All American the

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<v Speaker 1>last first team All American for Ohio State at quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom it's like you've had some tangential, like you've had

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<v Speaker 1>like this writer, this magazine did this. It does not

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<v Speaker 1>happen off. It doesn't happen off and no, and y

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<v Speaker 1>Smith maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm thinking back, and boy, it feels like the

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State quarterback wins the Silver Football Award is the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Ten's best player, like period, full stop, best player

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<v Speaker 2>about every other year, but first Team All American C J. Stroud,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that because.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be either it's it's Trice, which he did

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<v Speaker 1>do it, yeah, and that was twenty years ago. Or

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<v Speaker 1>then you go to Dwayne Haskins because Ja C. Verrett

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<v Speaker 1>never did a Dwayne Haskins and Cezy Straps justin fields,

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<v Speaker 1>those three and they were never like I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>any of them have Tree and Buckeye Grove. So the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that it's tough for an Ohio State quarterback to

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<v Speaker 1>do it despite being this is the golden age of

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State quarterbacks, but it's also the golden age of

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<v Speaker 1>college football quarterbacks, and so Justin Fields is competing against

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Trevor Lawrence, and all of these guys have

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<v Speaker 1>other elite peers that they're competing against. So the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that Julian Sane could do it this year, I will

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<v Speaker 1>remind you he is the lone returning Heisman finalist, like

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<v Speaker 1>he should be the favorite. He's been listed among the

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<v Speaker 1>favorites in terms of like player rankings this year. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you see him being a first team All American?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, our friends at Sports Reference in for me that

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Smith is the only Ohio State player to be

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<v Speaker 2>a census first team All American as a quarterback. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say possible, absolutely likely, No, not particularly because

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<v Speaker 2>you've got so many other you know, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>spot where there's only one, so odds are odds are

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<v Speaker 2>The answer is it's going to be someone else somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean not even just consensus, but like there could

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<v Speaker 1>be four different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there could be. There could be And and I

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<v Speaker 2>think you know, we've sort of projected he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a better year this Year's this the stats are

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<v Speaker 2>probably going to be a little bit better this year.

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<v Speaker 2>They were already very good in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year. I think he's and I think he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there has been enough discussion about he's going to make

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<v Speaker 2>some plays with his legs maybe, and so that opens

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<v Speaker 2>up some opportunities to have a Heisman moment or an

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<v Speaker 2>All American kind of moment in a different kind of way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's I think he is. Certainly, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're some We're somewhere between plausible and likely. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we're the likely right now, but I can absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>see it. It's it's a possibility. But I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't look at Julian saying and say likely first team.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's likely, deserving likely in the conversation, almost

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<v Speaker 2>certainly in the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't assume that just based on the history here.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if he's the first team All Big Ten quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got better odds of being the first Tame because

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be competing with Dante More to be

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<v Speaker 1>that All American. Also that the first team All Big

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<v Speaker 1>Ten quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>And and I mean, yes, those guys, yes, But also

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like people could take up their mind on

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<v Speaker 2>this Week two when it's arch Manning versus juliansaying, and

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<v Speaker 2>if arch Manning has a big night, then you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have Well, you know, it's like the Notre Dame Miami

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<v Speaker 2>thing a year ago, where it's like, well, yes it

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<v Speaker 2>was Monday night or Sunday night of Labor Day weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know it's a head to head competition and

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<v Speaker 2>you you saw it on the field. How can you

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<v Speaker 2>possibly vote for you could have one of those guys eliminated,

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<v Speaker 2>but sort of with a big dark mark on their

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<v Speaker 2>record just having lost that game, even though they don't

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<v Speaker 2>play particularly badly.

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<v Speaker 1>We kind of made up our mind on arch Banning

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<v Speaker 1>after that game. Now, he continued to yeah, prove, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the opinions correct, that that had downgraded him one. One

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<v Speaker 1>game can certainly sets the narrative. Jeremiah Smith feels like

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<v Speaker 1>he's just he's the free free space. Yeah. And the

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<v Speaker 1>people who don't make him All American even they're just

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<v Speaker 1>like the contrarians, like, yeah, growing up in Northwest Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>those are the Michigan fans.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're being a try hard if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not voting for Jeremiah Smith as the first team All American.

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<v Speaker 2>If he's healthy, you kind of know what you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get there if he produces, Like yeah, but even if

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<v Speaker 2>he even if the numbers are down a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>why would the numbers be down a little bit, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's probably drawing right two and three guys. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw this with Marvin Harrison a few years ago

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<v Speaker 2>where it was like, well, Marvin Harrison didn't have very

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<v Speaker 2>big numbers. It was like, yes, well they had two

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<v Speaker 2>guys and also had you know, a nickel sort of

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<v Speaker 2>shaded over there, and so yes, if you've got three

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<v Speaker 2>guys around you, you can't always Now, there was the

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<v Speaker 2>play in the Rose Bowl against Oregon where there were

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<v Speaker 2>three defenders around him and he's still called the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can be an incredibly impactful player and it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't always show up as just like you know, stat sheet,

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<v Speaker 2>go burr.

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<v Speaker 1>He will have enough plays, certainly you have enough touches

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<v Speaker 1>to where you can justify it. But if he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the most, people are gonna be like, well, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>you're Jeremiah Smith. Why don't you have the most, most

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<v Speaker 1>of this and most of that? And well, if you

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<v Speaker 1>just want to play me in one on one, I would, right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd playing me even up. So looking at these three

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<v Speaker 1>and you're saying you have safety fatigue and the lack

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<v Speaker 1>who do you think is most likely between Jaylen and

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<v Speaker 1>Clane and Julian saying because to me, that's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good question because obviously, well it's Julian saying he's the quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like, well, there's five or six other quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think, and it's it's I think those two

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<v Speaker 2>are very close. I think those are those two are

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<v Speaker 2>very much in the same sort of bracket here where

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremiah Smith. Yeah, I assume I would be a little

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<v Speaker 2>surprised if Jeremiah Smith was not a first team All

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<v Speaker 2>American Jillen McLain and Julian saying possible, deserving, but not likely.

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<v Speaker 2>Necessarily to me, I'm gonna say Jalen McClain is the second,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think you're going to have the quarterback position

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<v Speaker 2>is so narrative driven that that's gonna be one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things they're talking about on college game day and

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<v Speaker 2>that can sort of drive the conversation and push voters

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<v Speaker 2>who are just sort of like, well, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>there are going to be vote it's just going to

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<v Speaker 2>work in Ohio State's favor. In some cases where it's

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<v Speaker 2>like if you haven't been paying particularly close attention, sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the default answer is Jeremiah Smith a wide receiver

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<v Speaker 2>position quarterback. I think that could get driven in a

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<v Speaker 2>narrative way where it's you know, who are the people

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<v Speaker 2>on TV talking about safety? I think is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a little bit more of a do your own

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<v Speaker 2>homework kind of thing and that so that can be

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<v Speaker 2>stats that can be and because I do think he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to have a pretty diverse stat sheet where he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be up and run support at times and

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<v Speaker 2>be you know, have some maybe have some tackles for lost,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe have some some sacks, but also have some interceptions,

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<v Speaker 2>but also have just some highlight real plays.

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<v Speaker 1>The interesting thing about Jayleen Jalen McLain, he can't have

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<v Speaker 1>kleb Down's stats and being all he won't be an

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<v Speaker 1>All American with kleb downs stats because slee down stats

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<v Speaker 1>last year were like they're fine, yeah, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>won a name recognition and everybody raving about him since

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<v Speaker 1>he's a true freshman, but also as we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>with him, like he's like jazz, you get a Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the plays that you don't see that that he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't make because he's already taking stuff stuff away. Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>McClain will need to be the stat sheet stuffer to

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<v Speaker 1>get this, and I think he's gonna have a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. So what do you guys think? Give

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<v Speaker 1>us your likelihood of all Americans in there is tom

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<v Speaker 1>way off that Julian saying cannot be an all American.

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you all later. Nothing away, then, I wish

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<v Speaker 1>you nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can tell me that's the moots all right,

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<v Speaker 2>we can steal current le tonight