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PW Torch dot com slash Go VIP, go 26 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:26.239 all the Way, Go VIP, PW Torch dot Com slash 27 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:27.120 Go VIP. 28 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:38.640 Now. 29 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:42.079 PW Torch and Speaker bring you the Wade Keller Pro 30 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:45.879 Wrestling Podcast. It's time for this week's Interview Classic, where 31 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.959 Wade Keller Interview is one of pro Wrestling's newsmakers. 32 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:58.280 On today's Wadkeller Pro Wrestling Podcast Interview Classic episode, we 33 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:02.879 jump back to two interviews from ten years ago. First up, 34 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:06.120 Iron Chic and Bob Backland. P tow Torch columnist Bruce 35 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.840 Mitchell and I were able to interview Bob Eckland at 36 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:12.000 Iron Cheek in person in Waterloo, Iowa at the Pro 37 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:15.199 Wrestling Hall of Fame Weekend banquet at a live studio 38 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:18.120 audience at the Dan Gable Wrestling Museum, and it was 39 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:23.120 a blast. And I mean, these two are such incredibly 40 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:26.919 significant historical figures. During a big period of WWE, especially 41 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.280 Bob Backland of course long term champion, but the transition 42 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:33.800 from Backland to Chic to Hogan a real seminal moment 43 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:37.759 in pro wrestling history, transitioning from the territory era to 44 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:41.319 the national expansion and Vince McMahon and the larger than 45 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:44.800 life muscular characters obviously the Superstarpully Grand before that and others, 46 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:48.280 but Hulk Hogan is a centerpiece world champ. Iron Cheek 47 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:53.599 was the transition heel for that era. We also talked 48 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:56.360 about the transition from amateur to professional wrestling, the relationship 49 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:59.680 with Vincent J. McMahon Vince Senior and Vincent K mcman 50 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:02.840 Vince and much more. These are two characters and it 51 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:05.599 comes across in the interview. And then our second interview 52 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:07.520 was just a few days before that. Actually it took 53 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.439 place a few days after, but it was posted a 54 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:13.479 few days before, and that was Jim Valley's interview with 55 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:17.199 maghum Ta. This originally dropped on or actually streamed live 56 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:20.000 on July thirtieth, twenty sixteen. Then Jim Valley talked with 57 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:21.879 maghum Ta about a variety of topics and also some 58 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:25.680 live callers with some nostalgia topics and more. So let's 59 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:27.919 get to it really fun back to back interview Classic 60 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:32.000 episodes here on the Weight Color Podcast on Saturday, August eighth, 61 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:33.360 twenty twenty six. 62 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:35.599 That radio. 63 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:08.280 Welcome to the p W Torch Live Cast. I am 64 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:12.439 Way Keller, editor and publisher of the Pro Wrestling Torch 65 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:18.360 weekly newsletter since nineteen eighty seven, and also pwtorch dot 66 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.800 com the website and mmatorch dot com the website. We 67 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:25.199 covered the world of pro wrestling and mixed martial arts 68 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:28.720 with breaking news, exclusive features, live event coverage, and much 69 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.519 more every single day. So if you're a pro wrestling 70 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.399 fan or an MMA fan, be sure to check out 71 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:37.720 both PW torch dot com and mmatorch dot com every 72 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:41.560 single day. Right now at PW torch dot com, we've 73 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:46.839 got James Caldwell's report on last night's Cruiserweight Classic Tournament 74 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:52.000 results Week four, including Gargano versus Champa in the conclusion 75 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:55.879 of the first round. Also, we have last night's new 76 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:59.759 Japan G One results the g One Climax tournament. 77 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:00.560 Can he used to. 78 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.480 Produce some great matches. Sean Radikin doing a great job 79 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.639 covering that for PW torch dot Com and NXT results 80 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:13.600 last night with Adeowa, Tommy returning to action, Bobby Rood's 81 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:16.680 NXT debut and a main event tag team match with 82 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:22.519 the Revival, and also Metzger's r OHTV results with a 83 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.680 big tag team main event with tons of champs involved. 84 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.720 Moose wrestles twice and his analysis of the show. Thursday 85 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:31.560 mornings are always big on PW torch dot com because 86 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:34.879 we have so much going on on Wednesday nights now 87 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.920 with NXT, the Cruiserwey Classic and r o H TV, 88 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:41.319 and you add to that the g One Climax Tournament. 89 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:46.199 It's it's turned into a hub of wrestling television viewing 90 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:51.800 Wednesday nights have this is Interview Thursday, and normally on 91 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:57.399 Interview Thursday we run live interviews. This week got something 92 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.279 special and out of the ordinary that has not been 93 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:06.680 heard before, and that is a podcast that Torch Senior 94 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.759 columnist and Friday Peterlee Torch Live cast host Bruce Mitchell 95 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:14.319 and I hosted together at the Dan Gable Wrestling Museum 96 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:17.639 in Waterloo, Iowa. And this was at part of the 97 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:21.680 George Tragos Luths Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame weekend a 98 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.480 couple weekends ago. It's a second year in a row. 99 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:27.000 Bruce and I have attended Travis Bryant from the Friday 100 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:30.560 East from the Friday Live Cast and Wednesday East Coast Cast, 101 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:34.199 which you can find at East coastcast dot com. Along 102 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:38.959 with Torch Audio analyst Todd Martin joined me for those festivities. 103 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.319 We watched Dave Meltzer the Wresting Observer and inducted into 104 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:44.639 the Hall of Fame. Bruce and Day very tight over 105 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:48.480 the last twenty some years and a number of other wrestlers. 106 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:52.240 Two wrestlers who were inducted were Iron Cheek and Bob Beckland. 107 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:57.639 Those two were part of wrestling history, iron Cheek being 108 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:04.439 the wrestler who defeated Bob Backland for the WWF Championship 109 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:10.120 that then led to Hulk Cogan coming in and capturing 110 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:18.079 the WWF World title in a very big transition for WWF. 111 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:25.720 The move from Bob Backland, a white bread do no 112 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:31.680 wrong role model babyface, to Hulk Hogan was a major 113 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:37.560 pivotal moment in the history of professional wrestling, and Iron 114 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:41.439 Cheek and Bob Backland have never done an interview together, 115 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:47.079 never done any interview together until two weekends ago and 116 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:50.920 Bruce and I had the privilege of interviewing Iron Checken 117 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:53.399 Bob Backland. When I told some people about the interview, 118 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:56.839 they were like, Oh, I bet that was like hurting 119 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:01.759 cats and other such an agies because she could Backland 120 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.040 our such characters and they are and boy does that 121 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.279 come across in this interview. 122 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:09.120 It's a lot of fun. 123 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.240 I think you'll learn a lot about Iron Cheek's background, 124 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:15.160 his story of why and how he came to the 125 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:17.319 United States, what he did when he got here, how 126 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:20.600 he found a home in Minnesota, and what he went 127 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:24.040 on to do with his professional life is amazing. And 128 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:25.399 at the end of the interview, it's one of the 129 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:28.439 great finishes to a podcast ever. And I have to 130 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.399 create a visual for this because you'll hear it, but 131 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.879 I think you need to understand the visual of what 132 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:37.200 was happening because this podcast was conducted in front of 133 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:41.440 a live studio audience. One hundred or so people were 134 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:47.159 packed into the the five Sullivan Brothers Convention Center, which 135 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:49.399 is across the street from the Hall of Fame. It's 136 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:54.639 the major convention center hub in Waterlough, Iowa, and the 137 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:57.159 room was packed with wrestling fans who were part of 138 00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:59.919 the All Access Past weekend for the Hall of Fame weekend. 139 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:04.600 And so I'm I'm sitting I'm sitting in the middle 140 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:06.279 of the table. To my left is Bruce Mitchell, to 141 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:08.279 my right is the Iron Cheek, and then to Iron 142 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:10.320 Cheeks right is Bob Backland. We're all sitting at a 143 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:14.240 table and looking at an audience of fans watching the 144 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:18.519 podcast and watching and listening. So we get to about 145 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:21.080 the hour mark, close to it, and so we're getting 146 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.440 near the end and I throw a question she can Backland. 147 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:26.039 Sheek answers it, and then Backland begins to answer it, 148 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:29.159 but he also stands up and he starts being very 149 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.399 visual about what he's saying about how you One of 150 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:34.360 his favorite parts about being a wrestlers started is taking 151 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:37.559 starting the match low and slowly building it up higher 152 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:40.159 to bringing the crowd to this peak moment, and he 153 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.039 can describe it better than I am here. I don't 154 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:44.279 want to steal his thunder, but he's being very visual 155 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.440 about it. And then at the end you'll hear him say, 156 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.200 and that is it. I have to go work out, 157 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:56.960 and so he ends the podcast in a very visual way. 158 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:02.200 Which is running around the building giving high fives to 159 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:05.799 to the hosts. Bruce and he gave a high five 160 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:07.879 to me and then a high five to Bruce, high 161 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:10.000 five to Iron Cheek, and he ran through the crowd 162 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:13.679 and started giving high fives. And these are not light 163 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:16.440 high fives. You don't take them lightly. These are shoulder 164 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:21.759 dislocating high five flaps from Backland, who is incredibly fit 165 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.600 for somebody who's sixty six years old. I mean, honestly, 166 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.600 you know, his skin looks like an older person. That's 167 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:32.399 not there's not much people can do about that. I mean, 168 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:34.519 you can eat healthy and stay out of the sun 169 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.120 and you know, use good soap and all that kind 170 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.039 of thing. Put me in general that that's a little 171 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:42.080 bit more of a giveaway. That's somewhat unavoidable in terms 172 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.600 of aging. However, But by the way, it's not bad skin. 173 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:47.720 It's just okay, he doesn't look thirty, you know what 174 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:49.919 I mean when you look at him. But his physique 175 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:57.080 is incredible, his energy is incredible. But but I mean, 176 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.879 he was wearing a tight shirt and it just I mean, 177 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.639 he what he has done to maintain his physical fitness 178 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.279 throughout his life is amazing. So I say that as 179 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:09.480 a as a preface for this. He after giving high 180 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.919 fives to everybody, he grabs a handle roller that he 181 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:18.039 uses to do a certain exercise that he finds that 182 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.000 he likes a lot and has done his whole life. 183 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:23.639 He grabs that and he runs out of the room. 184 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.639 Now I conclude the podcast. People are laughing and applotting, 185 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:29.039 I think the chic and I'm kind of wrapping things 186 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:31.120 up and taking, you know, sting the microphone down and 187 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:31.360 all that. 188 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:32.639 At this moment. 189 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:36.440 I found out later Bob Beckland is jogging from the 190 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:40.759 five Sullivan Brothers Convention Center across the street and down 191 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:44.919 the block to the Dan Gable Wrestling Museum, and he 192 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:50.159 runs all the way into the facility to a wrestling 193 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:53.159 matt workout area at the museum, because I have this 194 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:55.879 whole you can have a membership there. There's a shower facility, 195 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:58.320 there's a wrestling mat, there's mini bleachers, or you can 196 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.399 watch wrestling exhibitions. He runs into that room and he 197 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:04.279 starts exercising just as he said he was going to 198 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:06.320 do on schedule. He didn't want to miss his workout 199 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:09.919 with the time that he had that afternoon, and he 200 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.240 does a full workout, and he does I can't remember 201 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:15.440 how many, how many steps, how many squats, It was 202 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:19.840 an incredible number. I know that Dave Meltzer was talking 203 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:23.919 to him trying to think when he was asking, oh, 204 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:27.279 is that the autograph session the next day? Because the 205 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:33.679 members of the Trago Stas Hall of Fame do those 206 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:36.720 who attend the convention each year participate in an addograph session, 207 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:38.399 And so Dave Meltzer and Ire sit next to each 208 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:43.440 other and Bob Ackland is is next to us, and 209 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:49.840 Dave starts asking him about his workout routine, and so 210 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:51.960 Bob just talking about all the stuff he does, and 211 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.799 it just it was, it was Dave was in awe 212 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:58.360 of what Bob does and how he built up to 213 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:00.360 it and how he stayed healthy doing it. 214 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:02.519 He was just he's amazing. 215 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:05.360 So he's a real character. I would say there's a 216 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:08.200 fine line between Bob Backland the person and Bob Beckland 217 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:11.279 the character. I think that the character version is a 218 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.240 little bit of an amplified version of of who he 219 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:15.799 really is. But I spent a good amount of time 220 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:18.039 talking to him at the at the Indie Wrestling event, 221 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:21.120 the Impact Pro Wrestling event on Friday night after, which 222 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.519 was a few hours after this podcast took place, and 223 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.360 and he was much more low key and conversational. But 224 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:29.240 there's still something about him or you know, he's you 225 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:30.720 just look at him and you think he's on the 226 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.480 verge of snapping, you know, like not snapping in a 227 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:36.519 bad way, but snapping into into Bob Backland yelling mode. 228 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:38.600 You know what you see with him right now in 229 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:42.440 WWB TV with Darren Young and so I spend a 230 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:44.240 good amount of time talking to him at intermission at 231 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.360 the Indie show and and and saw a different version 232 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:49.279 of him. In fact, it was I think last fall, 233 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.519 was it or last year Bruce Mitchell and I interviewed him, 234 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:55.159 I think three weeks in a row about his his 235 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:57.879 phenomenal wrestling book. He and the co author of that 236 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:01.720 wrestling book just did such a trummendous job. I want 237 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:03.559 to give a shout out to Rob Miller too, who 238 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.039 was on the live cast last year. Backlan's book Books 239 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:10.759 is one of my favorite wrestling books four hundred and 240 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:15.320 eighty three pages, four hundred eighty four pages, and it 241 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:18.799 covers a timeframe in WWE history that no other book 242 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:21.759 covered in the way in a first hand, here's what 243 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:24.960 happened behind the scenes way because he covers the nineteen 244 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:29.240 seventies and early eighties Vince McMahon senior era of the 245 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:36.000 WWF from a wrestler's perspective thoroughly, and I highly recommend 246 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:39.320 the book. It's Backland from All American Boy to Professional 247 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:42.799 Wrestling's World Champion by Bob Ackland and Rob Miller definitely 248 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:46.120 recommend that book. And Bob was on this show and 249 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.320 did a great job with the interview. I mean, he 250 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.480 was really engaging, told great stories. This is a slightly 251 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:54.200 different version of that Backland because he's performing in front 252 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:56.279 of a crowd a little bit and it changes his 253 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.960 dynamic a little bit. But the stories and the attitude 254 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.799 and the outlook are all there, and he's being truthful. 255 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:06.799 And some of the insights he shares about vincick Mann 256 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:08.840 Senior in the transition to vinsick Man Junior, I think 257 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:12.679 are real poignant to understanding wrestling history and understanding Bob 258 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.639 Ecklin for that matter. So there's some really cool stuff 259 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.840 in this interview. And as I said, it was done 260 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.919 live in front of a studio audience and that doesn't 261 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:25.480 happen very often. Here at PW Torch Livecast. I was 262 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:27.519 going to run the interview last week, but because of 263 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:31.039 the draft, and because last week was the first episode 264 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.960 of Ron SmackDown post draft, and because I had the 265 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:37.200 opportunity to interview Jim Ross, I decided not to run 266 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.240 the interview right away and save it for this week 267 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:42.000 because it certainly is more of a historical oriented interview 268 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:45.279 and isn't in that sense, it doesn't have an expiration 269 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:47.879 date in terms of its freshness, So we present that 270 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.480 to you this week here at PW torch Live Cast. 271 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:55.399 Your time is valuable. Go VIP and listen to our 272 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:59.559 show's commercial free a nice streamline listening experience. 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PW torch dot com slash go vip. 281 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:26.519 So they do want to know. 282 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.440 Tomorrow, Bruce Mitchell and Travis Bryant to be by at 283 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:31.840 seven Eastern for the Friday live cast and then Saturday 284 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:36.320 Morning Wrestling with Jim Valley airs Saturday morning of course, 285 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:38.759 so we encourage you to check those shows out live 286 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:42.440 and participate. Yesterday on the live cast, Jim Valley filled 287 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:45.159 in for Pat McNeil who was vacationing, and he was 288 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:49.960 at Nwafanfest on location with Britt Wittmeier, a longtime radio 289 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:53.360 veteran out of North Carolina, Jim Valley, a radio veteran 290 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:57.480 out of Portland, Oregon, and they did a live on 291 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:01.759 location at NWA FanFest show. It was just fun, real, casual. 292 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.240 There were some sound issues, not so much with Jim Valley, 293 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:06.279 but with Britt and his microphone and the one that 294 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:10.079 was used for people asking questions for about the first 295 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:12.960 twenty minutes of the show yesterday. I did a considerable 296 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:16.400 amount of post production work yesterday late last night on 297 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.240 the show, and I re uploaded it. So if you 298 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:21.759 did download the show yesterday and kind of gave up 299 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:23.519 on it because the sound level was kind of low 300 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:27.640 because it was at a remote live show and it 301 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:30.039 just wasn't a place that Jim had experience doing a 302 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.240 remote show from, so we had some technical issues. I 303 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.440 was able to amplify the sound, clean up some of 304 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.200 the sound, even out the sound levels with the different people. 305 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:39.200 It's still not great for the first twenty minutes or so, 306 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:41.720 but I think if it's unbearable, just skip to the 307 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.119 middle of the show. If you can get through it. 308 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:47.240 Either way, there's some really interesting stuff and fun conversations 309 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.519 with callers. Bruce Mitchell calls in gives Jim and Britt 310 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.480 a hard time about the sound issues because they're always 311 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:54.559 giving him a hard time about his technical problems that 312 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:58.680 he on occasion self inflicts on Fridays, and sometimes I'm 313 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:03.279 part of that by not allowing him to wrap up 314 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:05.559 the Bruce Mitchellatio Show recording before he does a live cast, 315 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.240 and he's scrambling. But nevertheless, it's a fun show and 316 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:10.319 I think it's worth checking out some fun stories that 317 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:13.920 the ties are loosened up and everyone's just kind of 318 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:16.720 being casual and having fun. And it's always cool when 319 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:19.240 you're on site on location and you're just getting the 320 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.519 host kind of observing what's going on and talking about 321 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:24.559 different people walking by, so I encourage you to check 322 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:29.400 that out. Also, I mentioned MMA Torch earlier. I encourage 323 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.440 you to check out our website. We've got the latest news, 324 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:36.400 results and more. In fact, we have some video up 325 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:38.759 on the site right now of Nate Diaz confronting fans 326 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.480 who were picking Connor McGregor to win at UFC two 327 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:45.759 o two. That was from Jimmy Kimmel Live and DS 328 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:48.640 thinks UFC wants him to lose at USC two o two. 329 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:51.480 We've got a quote from Nate Dias saying that USC 330 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:55.200 wants him to lose. What's that all about. Also, Cyborg 331 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:58.200 is reportedly set to headline UFC Fight Night ninety five. 332 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:01.759 Some details on that in the news. We also have 333 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.480 notes on USC two to one, full results, star ratings 334 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:08.000 in terms of entertainment value and historical significance of the fights, 335 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:12.720 and of Ultimate Fighter twenty three finale, live results, live 336 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.400 results of all recent shows, and the daily Top five. 337 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:18.039 The latest is the Top five Quotes of the week 338 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.519 that was posted earlier today. 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And here's some details 350 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:02.480 on that. And then when we come back, it'll be 351 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:06.000 time to play Bob Backland and Iron Cheek. Thanks for 352 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:09.839 your supportive the show, and thank you so much to 353 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.599 all of you for continuing to make this show such 354 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:15.640 a success. Here we go with some details on our 355 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:19.119 home website where you can get further more episodes of 356 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:29.960 this show. All right, so again, this interview was conducted 357 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.400 and recorded live at the five Sullivan Brothers Convention Center 358 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:36.799 in Waterloo, Iowa as part of the George Tragos Luthe's 359 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:40.119 Progressing Hall of Fame Weekend at the Dan Gable Museum. 360 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:47.240 And this interview was conducted on July twenty second, twenty sixteen. 361 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.319 It is Iron Chic and Bob Eckland. My co host 362 00:20:51.079 --> 00:21:02.720 is Bruce Mitchell on this program Playback. I'm gonna start 363 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:05.880 with Bob, because what I would like to mister Backland 364 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:09.279 to you young man, mister Backland, Thank you, sir, thank you, sir. Uh, 365 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:12.319 mister Backland. The we got some water. 366 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:12.799 Excellent. 367 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.559 This This this Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame is special 368 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:20.400 for a lot of reasons, but one of them is 369 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:24.240 the connection that it makes between amateur wrestling and those 370 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:27.720 who transition into professional wrestling. And I wanted both of you, 371 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:31.960 and I'll start with you, mister Backland, to talk about, uh, 372 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:35.000 your amateur background. People obviously know some people who know 373 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:38.200 your amateur backgrounds, so people know much better your WWF 374 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.680 and pro wrestling background. Talk about the roots of amateur 375 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:45.880 wrestling and how did that transition and help you in 376 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:49.559 professional wrestling in your earliest time, both training and getting 377 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:51.319 accepted and acclimated to the pro ring. 378 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:57.599 I started wrestling when I was eighth grade and I 379 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:01.359 have a book out right now. It came out September sixteen. 380 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:04.920 It's about my whole life. And in eighth grade, I 381 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.079 went out for sports because I had a father that 382 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.920 was a very poor drinker. I didn't know nothing about sports. 383 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:16.079 I didn't care anything about sports. I was standing on 384 00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:17.440 the top of a fence and I was going to 385 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:21.319 fall on my face and be disaster as far as 386 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:25.799 my future is concerned. I didn't care about winning and losing. 387 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:28.079 I just didn't want to go home and listen to 388 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:34.119 all the garbage. That's how I got started in football, wrestling, 389 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:39.039 and track. And I got beat up every day in practice, 390 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:45.640 every single day. That's how I started. And I'm very 391 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.440 happy that started, because at one time it started kicking in, 392 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:55.759 started paying off a little bit, and I learned six 393 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:02.160 principles from amateur wrestling, six of them. By the time 394 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:07.000 I was a senior in high school, not left Princeton, 395 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:12.559 Minnesota to come down here to Wallfield there and I 396 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:17.920 transferred to North Dakota State University. Used those same principles 397 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:22.839 that I learned from our sport, amateur wrestling, and I 398 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:27.119 left a bigger market North Dakota State University. I won 399 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:31.039 the NCAA tournament in wrestling and in football in about 400 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:35.359 a two month time period. And when I left to 401 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:40.400 go wrestle in the world of wrestling. I shouldn't say 402 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.920 the WWF because I started out down in Batan News, Louisiana, 403 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:46.400 I knew I was going to succeed. 404 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:48.759 I didn't doubt it. 405 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.039 And there was a lot of people in my hometown 406 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:54.079 that's that don't even leave town. You're not mad Dog, 407 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:56.640 you're not the butcher, You're just that oh American kid. 408 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:03.200 Those people are never successful wrestling business. And because of 409 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:05.960 those principles, I didn't let that get into my mind 410 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:11.799 at all. I didn't listen to it at all. I 411 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.599 stayed focused, and when I left Princeton, Minnesota, I had 412 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:19.319 a nineteen sixty eight green Chevrolet and pallor. I had 413 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:23.480 twenty dollars in my pocket. When I got down to 414 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:29.119 Baton Rouge, Louisiana, I had twenty nine cents left. They 415 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:35.920 paid me five dollars. Grizzly Smith gave me an envelope. 416 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:36.519 I opened it up. 417 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:38.480 When I got in the car, I had five dollars 418 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:42.160 and now I got five dollars and twenty nine cents 419 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:42.839 in my pocket. 420 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:45.839 The closest person that I knew to me. 421 00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:52.519 Was fifteen hundred miles away. I canceled the reservation that 422 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:58.640 I made it to Sheridan, and that cost me twenty 423 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:02.079 nine cents. Now I've got f five dollars left. I 424 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:05.039 went to a supermarket and bought all the tuna fish 425 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:08.839 I could buy, and then I bought a can opener 426 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.119 and sleeping in the trunk of the car that night. 427 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:20.079 I'm broke, homeless and sleeping in the trunk of the car. 428 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:26.880 But I believed that I was going to climb. I 429 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.960 started out in the exact bottom, but I believed I 430 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:34.279 was gonna go uphill every day, and I never let 431 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:41.160 up in that and I succeeded. That's what amateur wrestling 432 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.160 did for me. That's what amateur wrestling gave to me, 433 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.920 and that's one of the reasons why I'm here. That's 434 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:51.480 one of the reasons why I used to have kids tournaments. 435 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:55.759 I wanted children to get into sports because of what 436 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:57.960 it did to me, especially wrestling. 437 00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:08.079 You thank you, Bob, Thank you. Mister Backland iron Cheek 438 00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:09.200 a similar question to you. 439 00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:11.680 This is the Hall of. 440 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.079 Fame where there is a great reverence to the history 441 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.519 and connections of amateur wrestling and professional wrestling. Can you 442 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:21.519 speak about your amateur background and as a foundation for 443 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:22.200 your pro career. 444 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:28.279 Well, mister Bob Baker said it purfor because wrestling is 445 00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:33.680 the toughest sport in the Olympic and America and Rendez world. 446 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.759 And I was very young in Iran. 447 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:42.319 Nationalist sports is a firstall and grecor Wan wrestling and 448 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:46.640 I have a two Westerlins here, mister Megon and his son, 449 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.000 and they used to come watch me. I was fourteen 450 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:55.440 years old and in the run our practice and mister 451 00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.440 Megan was one of the great thing. 452 00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:59.160 Corporate were same club. 453 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.839 I go every day, take a bus from home and 454 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:06.279 one hundred and twenty five pm I was. 455 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:10.799 I went to the practice practice. Like mister Backland said, 456 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:15.759 wrestling is the toughest sport in the Olympic one and 457 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:17.200 one and division. 458 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.680 You want to be the best, you want to be champion. 459 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.079 You have to pay for your due and every day 460 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:29.640 go practice practice. Practice makes us to be perfunction without 461 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:31.039 practice hard. 462 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:31.759 To be champlain. 463 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.839 So for me pleasure to outcome in the. 464 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:42.519 Waterloo, Iowa then gave country and special Olympic champlain. I 465 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:47.440 wresting with mister Gabel in Minnesota in the University of 466 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:54.920 Minnesota and also my coach mister Alan Rice from Minnesota. 467 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:58.759 I was very young, I'll come to America and then 468 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:06.200 only person healthy was from Minnesota, neighbor of the Iowa. 469 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:09.039 And I'm sorry, maybe my English not too good. 470 00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.559 I don't want to sweitch too fast or anything. 471 00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:17.079 But like mister Buckland said, and I paid for my 472 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:21.640 mister Buckland, paper is due. And then from Tehran, Iran 473 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.319 all this country in the world National Sports Crystal and 474 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:26.480 Greco Roman. 475 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:28.599 And then I made it to the New York. 476 00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:32.960 From New York, I went to the Minnesota and then 477 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.720 Minnesota practice practice and my coach was mister Alan Rice. 478 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.759 And Sir Alan Right is one of a great coach 479 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.079 in Minnesota. And wipe me from New York to the 480 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.599 Minnesota and come in the airport pick me up. 481 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.400 And then I used to live in the in the 482 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:57.000 dinky Town and dinky Town not too far from the. 483 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:03.839 University of the Minnesota in Minnesota Golfer University. I used 484 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.480 to live in the Dinkiton and then in the Fortunity. 485 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:12.359 And mister Allen Rice come every day other day. Together 486 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.799 we heard the Minnesota wrestling crop, and Minnesota wrestling crop 487 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:18.640 was a very very. 488 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.279 Good wrestling, a lot of good wrestler. 489 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:27.160 My team was an excellent team nineteen sixty nine first place. 490 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:32.160 And myself and nineteen seventy and also I'll after you 491 00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:35.440 read this one and tell me what they was there 492 00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:39.359 and what found I was and what poets. 493 00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.799 For you did read both of them Philae the PRAMI 494 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:47.440 my reading classes by the National Athletics National Athletic Union 495 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:49.359 of the United States. 496 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:52.240 In the year Roman. 497 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:54.000 Numerals you did the glasses of summer. 498 00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.000 He just had eye surgery. What's the Roman numerals? 499 00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:01.160 The glasses is long read? 500 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:01.759 This is. 501 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:04.759 For us. 502 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:07.519 You up for my dude, so I can make it today? 503 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.960 What's her iva? Thank ever country? And I want to 504 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.440 say hello to all my wrestling firms to our year. Hey, no, 505 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.440 I'm up for my dude. Can you please if. 506 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.240 You can not read, I give it Greg. 507 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.640 Greco Roman Wrestling one hundred and eighty three point five. 508 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:27.759 And I know this year. It was the year I 509 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:29.319 was born, nineteen seventy one. 510 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:31.799 So what year was? What country? 511 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:33.079 What yours? 512 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:33.759 What year? 513 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.119 What country for the United States? Yeah? Well what a 514 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:39.920 sports Creco Roman wrestle. 515 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:40.680 Yeah. 516 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.480 So I want to let you know you can buy 517 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.400 everything with money except that gold medal. 518 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:53.400 Mister, No, you have to pay for your due to 519 00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.079 you come from all this country terror I wrong to 520 00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:02.079 the Minnesota and you be our sister coach Master Allen 521 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:03.279 Rise and make. 522 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.839 My team to be three years a you champlin. 523 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:09.720 From nineteen seventy one and I went to the Mooning 524 00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:14.519 Olympic Game nineteen seventy two Olympic Game and over there 525 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:19.519 who was mister Dane Gabel, one of my greatest Wterloo 526 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:23.599 I WA from America, one hundred and forty nine pombs 527 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.200 and he was over there and we turned him into 528 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.480 the Srallen Rise. I'm happy to be in the Midwest 529 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.160 today and especially in the Waterloo, Iowa. 530 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:35.160 I love all maners in fence. 531 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.200 Longing for some nostalgia or maybe you want to learn 532 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.160 some wrestling history, don't miss the nineties Past cast every 533 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.519 Friday on the PW Towards Daly Cast Feed. Alex and 534 00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.839 Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by 535 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.640 taking you through the Torch issue from that very weak 536 00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.359 follow news from the WWF and WCW and all the 537 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.599 happenings from across the wrestling industry in real time as 538 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:13.079 The Torch reported it thirty years ago. That's the nineties 539 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:16.480 Pass cast every Friday for the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. 540 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:29.119 Let's talk about the transition to professional wrestling because times 541 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:33.720 are different today and the amateur wrestling Olympic experience doesn't 542 00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:35.839 come around of that often. Obviously, Kurt Angle, who was 543 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.400 here last year, is one of the exceptions to the rule. 544 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.119 Mister Backland, talk about what your impression of professional wrestling 545 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.440 was before you got into it, how it changed, if 546 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:48.640 that if at all, and how you were accepted into 547 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:53.599 the pro wrestling fraternity. It was more of a challenge 548 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.599 back then to become accepted, probably than today, in terms 549 00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.400 of the toughness and the dues that you had to pay. 550 00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:03.880 Yeah, you know, the five dollars that I got paid 551 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:09.759 that night. It wasn't that they were cheap. It was 552 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.720 that they wanted to find out how bad I wanted it. 553 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.559 They thought I would go home. They didn't want to 554 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:23.119 take the time. They paid me five dollars to see 555 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.759 if I would last. That's how it entered in there. 556 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.559 But I'm a very stubborn person, And when I was 557 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:33.559 sitting in the car, sleeping in the trunk of the car, 558 00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.759 I found out what it was like to be hungry 559 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.759 and wonder how in the heck you're going to eat 560 00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:47.680 your next meal. I went through that, and I believe 561 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:52.279 it was a very important lesson to learn, because when 562 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:56.799 I started doing a little better, I never wanted those 563 00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:01.759 days to come back again. I was thinking of marrying 564 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:06.160 a young lady from North Dakota State University, and I 565 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.599 didn't want a family that could ever be introduced to 566 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.800 that kind of life. I learned to save my money, 567 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:19.079 and I did that. I had a friend that made 568 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.800 it a thousand dollars on his first night. Mister Sheik 569 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.360 knows him very well. He spent every dime he made 570 00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.440 and he can't write a check for twenty dollars today. 571 00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:36.719 They kind of did me a favor by testing me 572 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:42.679 like that, and myself when I got to Florida, if 573 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.400 somebody wanted to get into the wrestling business, they went 574 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:51.320 through me or Harley Race or Jack Briscoe, and Harley 575 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:55.480 Race would hurt him. I didn't have the heart to 576 00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:00.599 hurt people. I'd work out with him. I trained with 577 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.079 him for hours and hours, and I would do it 578 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.119 with him. I wouldn't yell at them and screen him. 579 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:10.320 I made them do whatever I did, and then when 580 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.519 we got done it, say come back tomorrow at six 581 00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.719 o'clock in the morning. We're gonna go do it over. 582 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.079 And there was only two guys that made it, Paul 583 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:26.800 Arndorf and Brian Blair. Those are the only two names 584 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.760 that I can remember that came back the next day. 585 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:35.119 They wanted to find out how tough you were. You 586 00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:40.320 had to be tougher than the fames. You couldn't if 587 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.800 you were a wrestler and a fan beat you. That 588 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:48.440 would be disgrace to the business. And they were very 589 00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:53.280 intense about that. Somebody that was tough enough to be 590 00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:57.920 able to handle people. And it's a road, but it's 591 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.559 part of an education, the things they do to you, 592 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:06.880 because hard work pays off, it really does. I learned 593 00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:11.960 that when I was a junior in high school. It's 594 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.000 not a picnic get into the business, and it's not 595 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.360 a very big promise that you're ever gonna have any success. 596 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:25.039 You had to give a promoter two weeks notice and 597 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:28.440 that's all he had to give you, and you were gone. 598 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:35.199 But I my success came because of the six principles 599 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:41.519 that I was living up to. I was in a 600 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:43.159 car with three wrestlers. 601 00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.800 One night, three of them. 602 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.599 We were driving around Atlanta, three of the top wrestlers, 603 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:52.880 and you needed the top wrestlers to get a head 604 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:54.840 back then, because they were the ones that had the 605 00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:59.679 contact with the promoters. When I was riding in the car, 606 00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:08.159 they started smoking marijuana. I rolled my window down, the 607 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:13.400 driver rolled it back up. A few minutes later, I 608 00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:17.239 tried rolling it down again and the window was locked. 609 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.400 A few minutes later, I asked him to stop the car. 610 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.559 I didn't give a care whether to do in marijuana 611 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.800 or not. I didn't care at all. I didn't care 612 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.280 if they made a bad mistake in their life. But 613 00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:36.159 I didn't want to be there. I didn't want to 614 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:37.920 be there because of a lesson I learned when I 615 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.079 was in eighth grade about peer pressure, and I wasn't 616 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.079 going to cut circumb to it again in my life. 617 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.480 They wouldn't stop the car, and I thought about putting 618 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:54.320 the driver in the cross space chicken wing, But ladies 619 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:56.440 and gentlemen, I thought maybe that wouldn't be a good 620 00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:02.400 idea either. I went to a nightclub and I walked home, 621 00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.800 walked home, got home and my wife was a static. 622 00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:11.400 She was expecting me to be home about one o'clock 623 00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:16.400 at night. I got home at eight thirty. I didn't 624 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.920 know where it was when I started walking and I 625 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.639 explained to what happened. She was very happy and very proud, 626 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.639 and it was a great moment, but it could have 627 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.719 been a negative moment for me because I needed them 628 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:36.440 as my friends. Part of a long story, but years 629 00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.360 later that was one of the best decisions I ever 630 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:40.039 made in my life. 631 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.000 Thank you for that story, Iron Cheek. 632 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.199 I'd like to ask you a similar question in terms 633 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.480 of your acclamation to professional wrestling. It was a little 634 00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.400 different than than what you had been used to in 635 00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:56.400 the amateur and Olympic ranks. Talk about who helped you 636 00:38:56.719 --> 00:39:00.920 in those early months and years acclimate too, the changes 637 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:03.840 in your career going from amateur to professional. 638 00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:11.159 Like I said, I was Minnesota, Minneapolis anytime, anytime, my 639 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.039 team come first, plus Master Allan Rice and the team, 640 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:19.000 we go to the NWA and pemother was over there. 641 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:20.320 Mister Burgania. 642 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.360 Mister Gania was a promoter and he was himself one 643 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:26.440 of a great college wrestler. 644 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:30.039 All American and one of the top in the America. 645 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.800 And after the Olympic in nineteen seventy two moon in Germany, 646 00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:40.000 I tell my coach, mister Allen Rice, I'll lecture some 647 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:41.599 day to go. 648 00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:46.440 See mister Wogania and I want to be a professhmen, So. 649 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:48.920 Master Allan Rice take me in the office. 650 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:54.400 And then after gold medal nineteen seventy one, and uh, 651 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.320 mister God bless him, he was a good promother. 652 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.719 And then he gave me the job to drive the 653 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:07.599 ring truck and then put on the ring, pack up 654 00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:09.800 the ring referee. 655 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.400 All over from Minneapolis to the Winnipeg and from Minnieapris, 656 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:18.559 all over to Rochester and all over to the Chicago 657 00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:20.880 Court in the Midwest. 658 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.800 So that was the toughest job I had. 659 00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:27.719 But I loved wrestling so much and I didn't complete 660 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.360 and even I cannot read and write too good. 661 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:34.280 But I was fully wrestling. 662 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.719 And I'm in Minnesota and a promoter is mister Borgania. 663 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.199 God releaged to me possibly and then be turning over there. 664 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:46.079 Mister Bob Buckram also sometimes come over there, healthy young 665 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:53.039 generation and started Minnesota and to the later on I 666 00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.079 traveled the coast to coast and all over the country 667 00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:57.800 for wrestling started in. 668 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.400 The professional for me was not easy. 669 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:05.639 I have to trace to drive their ring truck, put 670 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:09.719 on the ring, and pick up the ring referee and 671 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:13.920 drive all over from Chicago to Minneapolis, or from Warapeg 672 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:18.760 Canada to Minnieapolis, from all over the mon Iowa. 673 00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:23.719 To Minneapolis, so anyway Midwest. I was so father wrestling 674 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:29.760 from a start, and I said, I cannot cover it. 675 00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.360 I cannot give up the only thing I can do 676 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.039 in this earth to be a wrestling and be a 677 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.239 champion someday like. 678 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.119 Back then, like some greatest we had in the Minnesota 679 00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.960 bread Dragens and myself and some and lot of excellent 680 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.119 wrestler in Minnesota, and and then I met it to 681 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.800 the Charlotte coast to coast or all over the country 682 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:00.639 over the board. 683 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:04.480 No I'm here the moan, I'm here. 684 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:10.239 Watloiva the greatest free star wrestler one hundred and forty 685 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:10.800 nine pound. 686 00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:11.639 Then gave it. 687 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.320 To mister go on with what you were talking about. 688 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.559 Can you tell us about the the other athletes that 689 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.679 you broke into professional wrestling with with Virgania's camp. I 690 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.360 know that you also even at that point where it 691 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:35.960 was helping train some of the people in that class. 692 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:36.760 Excellent question. 693 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:41.199 And that time in the camp it was mister Campetero 694 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:45.360 the strongest with lefter in the board and Olympic which 695 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.000 is waltzed together in the morning Olympic game. Mister Campetero 696 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:55.920 and Greg Gania and Jim Burunzeller another football player, passive 697 00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.559 Adrejim Young and Bob Bruger. 698 00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.760 Bob Broger and so via started in the that camp. 699 00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:07.039 And mesid Rick Flair and nineteen seventy three you started 700 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:08.239 in there. 701 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:08.760 He did well. 702 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.079 Great Flair Oh. 703 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:13.599 Out to be an ALTI. 704 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:17.840 Excellent, it did great and a great former Griff talking 705 00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:20.519 and but he has started. 706 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.159 That was a good luck Missabo back then and myself 707 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:24.159 in Minnesota. 708 00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:29.119 Yeah, first, mister Backland, we interviewed you as part of 709 00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.519 a Pro Wrestling Torch podcast about your book, and I 710 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:33.840 just want to say I really enjoyed and learned a 711 00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:37.519 lot from your book. I recommended all wrestling fans. You 712 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:38.599 did a tremendous job. 713 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:40.400 I just say, there's no one else. 714 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:42.519 We did interviews with three weeks in a row, and 715 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:43.920 we interviewed about three weeks in a row and he 716 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:44.719 was great every. 717 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:48.880 Time, every time. So and even the stories you're telling 718 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.639 now there's more. You have more details, more depth in 719 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:52.119 the book. 720 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.119 So when you read the book, you know me better 721 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:55.960 than my brother. 722 00:43:56.199 --> 00:44:01.199 Absolutely absolutely talk about your time with the Grant with 723 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.480 Eddie Graham in Florida and how you knew that you 724 00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.760 were on your way to bigger and better things from 725 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:09.360 the professional wrestling boss. 726 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:15.239 Well Don Florida with Eddie Graham. He was the promoter 727 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.880 of Florida Championship Wrestling and they had a really a 728 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:24.519 great organization going there. Everybody was able to get out 729 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:26.320 of the trunk of their car and. 730 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:29.039 Live a better life. 731 00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:35.320 But he was real close to Vince McMahon. He was 732 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:39.039 almost like a brother to him. He did a lot 733 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.599 of business with him against he had they were He 734 00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:44.320 was a take team champion up there for a long 735 00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.079 long time, and he was one of the ones that 736 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.880 were very instrumental in letting Vince know that I might 737 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:56.599 be the guy. Vince McMahon sor was calling these promoters 738 00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.320 up and asking who would be the best All American boy. 739 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:00.159 And. 740 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.199 To every promoter that they he talked to the on 741 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:12.039 they only mentioned one name. And when I got in 742 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:16.000 the business, I wanted to outwork everybody. When I got 743 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:17.559 in the business, I figured I was going to do 744 00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:22.400 a few things. I started going to hospitals to visit 745 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:26.360 kids in the in the seventies and seventy four seventy five, 746 00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:27.800 I thought, you know, I'm going to do this, because 747 00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.320 that's called going the extra mile. And I started stopping 748 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:35.159 at high schools to help out the amateur wrestling teams 749 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.079 that were at the schools in the towns that we 750 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.960 went to in Texas at the time. And I continued 751 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.119 to do that, and I think it trickled back to 752 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.400 the promoters in each town that I was doing it in, 753 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:50.920 and I think it was worth it in the long 754 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.840 run because the promoters knew me well enough to say 755 00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:58.559 to Vince McMahon, this is the guy inside the ring, 756 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:03.679 and this is the guy outside of the ring. And 757 00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:08.280 that's how I actually got my opportunity was because of 758 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:10.760 the promoters mentioned in my name. 759 00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:16.960 Did you know that you can enjoy commercial free versions 760 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.639 of all of your favorite Weightkelor podcasts and pw torch 761 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.920 daily casts on Spotify. 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Either way works. 778 00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.840 Go to Patreon and start your seven day free trial. 779 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:19.400 To follow up on that and moving to the WWF 780 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.000 and working for a physic Man Senior, A big theme 781 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.559 in your book is the close relationship you had, close 782 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.559 business relationship, a personal relationship you. 783 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.079 Have with with. 784 00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:35.239 Jay McMahon and like for you to talk about that relationship. 785 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:40.400 Because he Vince Senior became a dad to me about 786 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:43.719 six months before I got the championship, which is on 787 00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:48.239 February twentieth of nineteen seventy eight, he promised me that 788 00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:52.760 he was going to put the belt on me, and 789 00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.960 I was coming up from Florida and wrestling on TV, 790 00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:58.840 and he was trying to give me exposure to the 791 00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:05.360 people fans of the WWWS. Back then, I heard that 792 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.320 some people were trying to talk him out of that 793 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:15.960 and that wasn't a good decision. And then when Billy 794 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:24.679 Superstar Graham won the belt from Bruno San Martino, Billy 795 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.639 Superstar Graham wanted to trust trying to talk Vince out 796 00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:31.360 of putting the belt on me. Also because Billy Superstar 797 00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:38.880 Graham was having big crowds every night, and Vince Menci 798 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.880 Senior on the day of the Garden, he got me 799 00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.840 aside and he said they wanted me to not do this, 800 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.440 but I told him I gave Bob Backland my word 801 00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:52.000 and we're going to make him a winner. And I 802 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:56.199 never forgot that. I think about Vince McMahon every day 803 00:48:56.320 --> 00:49:01.360 of my life because of his intense read his honor. 804 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:05.760 It was a pleasure to work under that man, because 805 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.760 he wouldn't tell you you were going to do something. 806 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:16.360 He'd ask you for an opinion. When you work for 807 00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:21.199 a Vince new Man. There's no stress. You knew everything. 808 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.440 And I wouldn't trade my time that I spent with 809 00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:32.360 Vincewoodman Senior with anything else in the world. Think about 810 00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:37.960 mister Sheek. You know Vince Man as well as I do. 811 00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:40.639 Not as long, but I think as well as I do. 812 00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:46.440 Absolutely, mister Backland, because like I said myself, I was 813 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.960 the Midwest and also close to course after that myself 814 00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:55.679 mcwam called me ovent today number one company in the world. 815 00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:00.760 W W that time was a WWF. I have a 816 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.920 lot of respect as long as I live for. 817 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:08.119 Mister mcwan and his family because he was the number 818 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:12.079 one the mother in the world to give me great 819 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.280 and I'll make a good living later on. Maybe something 820 00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.880 I did bad, I pay for my due. And also 821 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.599 I want to let the all young generation in the 822 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:28.440 America know and if. 823 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.800 We want to be Champain, you want to be the best, 824 00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.800 and look at the Orange sheet where he comes from, 825 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:36.519 where he does. 826 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:41.559 But sometimes bad thing push me back and take me 827 00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:45.599 down and costs me a lot of things. But still 828 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:49.360 I have a lot of respect for mister mcqwin senior 829 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:51.400 and his son and his family. 830 00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.920 Number one company in the world, and I'm happy to 831 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:57.400 do that today. Come here with the. 832 00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:02.679 Greatest six years, Champlain, mister Bob Backland, to act resting 833 00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:06.199 with him, plager for me and to see him again 834 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.679 one of the greatest men. Good hard work. That's because 835 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:15.079 mister Rickman noticed that young man deserveth to be champion 836 00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:19.440 for six years. So I just want to say, I 837 00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:23.079 mean God to help me to pay for my due 838 00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:27.519 to our compted New York and mister b mister Buckland 839 00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.079 said that man was whatever he said. 840 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.280 He meaned, and he was the greatest promoter for. 841 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:36.719 Me to our resting for his company. 842 00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:41.960 And I'm happy to there from mister Bob Buckland to 843 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:44.840 the Orange Sheet and all of the songs that Ja. 844 00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:51.039 Bronnie Hogan and guitar player. Come to there, Yeah, come. 845 00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:54.079 To there and double with w E number one company 846 00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:59.679 without mister Bob Buckland, without mister Orangstreet and without w. 847 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:05.280 W E legend and an owner and the president mister 848 00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:10.679 Rickman Hog Hogan was real Jevronie Big Tom j. 849 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:12.559 Yeah. 850 00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:15.199 So now. 851 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:25.239 Yeah, no, I'm happy, chorgerel Champlin Chorgen enjoyed my talking. 852 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.079 Enjoy to come. 853 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:33.880 Today the greatest wrestling country. What's in loyal Dan Gable Country? 854 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.800 Iron cheek? You have changed my follow up question. I 855 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:39.039 have a new follow up question. 856 00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:43.679 You did not get to practice the art of interviews 857 00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.280 or as they're called today, promos in amateur wrestling, probably 858 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.320 all that often, or on Olympic TELEVI in the Olympics. 859 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.800 But when you got to professional wrestling, there's cameras, there's 860 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:57.320 selling tickets, there's getting the crowd engaged in the fight. 861 00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.079 Did that come naturally to you? 862 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:01.559 Was that something that you had help with or that 863 00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:03.480 you felt comfortable with right out of the bat, because 864 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:06.119 obviously with the crowd response here, you know how to 865 00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:06.719 owne a crowd. 866 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.679 Well, to me, it was a natural because you know, 867 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.760 I speak from mind and heart and I feel it. 868 00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:19.239 What I can say about that topics sport too, I 869 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.159 grew up since fourteen years old to. 870 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:26.760 Right now, and just for me was a natural because 871 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.480 I mean, you know, I'm in a marcham, I'm a wrestler. 872 00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:35.679 University of Minnesota coach and assistant coach mister Allen Rights Macevonia. 873 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:42.079 I mean, to me, it was really natural because the 874 00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:45.480 only game I had, only a sport I had all. 875 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.559 My life and it was a three star girl Roman 876 00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.400 to a com w W holy fame, legend, whatever. 877 00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.960 And I mean to me, it was a natural because 878 00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.360 a lot of good people under me and they helped 879 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:00.599 me and teach me. 880 00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.880 And if you want something, you make it. 881 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.239 And I want to say to the new generation in 882 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.599 w W, E number one company in the world, all 883 00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:14.480 of them, they're doing great and all of the battle stuff, 884 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.280 and then I think a lot of sports is is 885 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:22.519 still the best in the number one in the world. 886 00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:27.119 I first saw you. 887 00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:29.239 I'm a North Carolina boy and I first saw you 888 00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:34.039 working for the Crockets in Charlotte, and I remember it 889 00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.519 vividly because you were such a unique character. You were 890 00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:41.960 such a such a great attraction. Talk about changing from 891 00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:46.599 Kaser Vassiri in the a w A and then using 892 00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:49.199 more of your more of your heritage, and talk about 893 00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:54.000 the pressures of working there during the Iran hostage crisis, 894 00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:59.000 because I remember I remember as a fan thinking he's tremendous. 895 00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:02.159 But they know or said the word. You never said 896 00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:04.960 the word hostage. You never said Kamani. Then, I mean 897 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:06.559 I was I was very impressed with that. But I 898 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:10.400 and what a great wrestler in the ring when we 899 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:13.199 were going to say tremendous stuff, thank. 900 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:13.800 You, thank you. 901 00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:17.519 You know this because Laco said, that's a cheap hit, 902 00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:22.559 because the real chaplain going in the ring and do 903 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.360 his best and shrotively gives the people good match, good show, whatever, 904 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:31.159 And that to me it was a cheap I can't 905 00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:35.559 mention too much about politician or about Ayatollahomeny or about 906 00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.440 Iran that I wasn't not involved. 907 00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:39.559 With a palitician. 908 00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:42.920 But I was in the North Caroana. 909 00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.440 Mister for Master Jimmy Crockett, her mother and his son 910 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.159 David and another one. So to me, it was a 911 00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:54.199 good in North Caroana, and I traveled over there lots, 912 00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:55.960 and I lock North. 913 00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:58.159 Carolina but not Krano. 914 00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.480 It was good for me, but not luck New York. 915 00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:05.280 New York was different than North Carolina. But I had 916 00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:06.320 a lot of good friend in. 917 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:10.480 North Carolinas only Underson brother Jean under Zoon. 918 00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:14.320 I troubled with the gene and then uh, master Vic 919 00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:15.280 Prayer was over. 920 00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:18.639 There and then uh a lot of a lot of 921 00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:19.039 a lot of. 922 00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:22.559 The big name good wrestler in also in North Carolino 923 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:28.000 and I and I enjoyed and but it was different than. 924 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.000 For me than than New York. 925 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:33.920 Okay, just to tell a story, I went to see 926 00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:38.360 you wrestle Jim Brunzell Christians Hotel here last year at 927 00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:41.519 the at the w r L Television Studios for from 928 00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.000 for the for the TV and I went with some 929 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:48.400 skeptical people, and by the time you and Jim Brunzell finished, 930 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:52.559 they weren't skeptical anymore. They were very impressed, and they're 931 00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:53.360 you know, they were. 932 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:55.400 New to it, and they're just like, Wow, I get it. 933 00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:59.239 And I still that match stays me to this day. 934 00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:00.440 Change served. 935 00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:04.840 Jim Bronzilla was a young All American from Minnesota come 936 00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:05.880 to the North Carolina. 937 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.679 We had a great match, and I was also mid 938 00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:09.960 Autlantic chaplain. 939 00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:16.159 And then Jim burn Zella accident former good wrestler from Minnesota, 940 00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:18.639 and and we had a good lot of good matches 941 00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:25.039 in the Minnesota with Jim Braunzilla and another one running. 942 00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:29.480 Arven And then which is the red Flair was there? 943 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:35.000 I mean North Carolina was a top three territory in 944 00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:40.360 America and New York, Minnesota and North Carolina I was 945 00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:44.320 we go and the promoter was a mister Georgia Scott. 946 00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:49.800 And then we traveled from uh Charlotte, come to the 947 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:53.400 Georgia make our television tape over there, and was a 948 00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:54.840 good or for me. 949 00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.519 And and also I had a lot of memory in 950 00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:04.760 the North Carolano on good for me, but but different 951 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:05.760 than New York. 952 00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.559 Yes, mister backlind you talked about vincc mann senior and 953 00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:11.159 being very close to him. I think a lot of 954 00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:14.440 people would be interested because vincucmann Junior, Vincent K. McMahon 955 00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:17.400 still in control of the wrestling industry for the most 956 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:21.639 part today. When you first were around vincemcmann junior, Vince 957 00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:25.639 Senior's son, talk about your early impressions of him and 958 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:29.159 maybe a funny story and observation and just your your 959 00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:33.280 your thoughts being around him and imagining that someday he 960 00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.760 would take over for his dad. Did you have confidence 961 00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:38.239 that he would have the type of success that he has. 962 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:44.400 Had, well, Vince. I always thought Vince and Vince Junior 963 00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:49.440 were together on everything. I thought they were talking behind 964 00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:53.320 the scenes before Vince Senior came to me with something, 965 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:55.519 maybe ending of a match or something, or whether I 966 00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:58.159 was going to wrestle with a mister chic. I thought 967 00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:00.639 they were discussing it with each other, and I thought 968 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:02.480 they were making decisions on how they thought. 969 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:04.480 But I found out but. 970 00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:09.079 That wasn't true at all. Vince and Vince Junior were 971 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:13.639 one hundred and eighty degree different, one hundred and eighty 972 00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:14.400 degree different. 973 00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:17.119 If you were going to. 974 00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:18.679 Make a switch to them, it would. 975 00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:19.639 Be one hundred and eighty degrees. 976 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:25.519 And at the time, it was hard to make decisions 977 00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:27.920 because it was like fire in the air in the 978 00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:34.639 wrestling business in nineteen eighty four. It was rocking, and 979 00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:41.440 there was war, and there was promises made that weren't kept, 980 00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:50.719 and Vince Senior never hid from the guys. When this 981 00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:55.760 got stirred up, it was hard to get to Vince Junior. 982 00:59:58.519 --> 00:59:59.519 It was hard to find him. 983 01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:02.239 And I. 984 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:08.039 Didn't have a liking for Vince Junior for a long time, 985 01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:17.599 but I understand now about the hardships he had, and 986 01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:21.800 I'm not very bitter or anything like that. I think 987 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:26.519 he's the hardest working man in the entertainment business. He's 988 01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:31.000 out there every night at Monday night, rod SmackDown with 989 01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:34.320 his headphones on, telling the referees, why did you miss that? 990 01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:36.920 Or the wrestler you should have had a better facial 991 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:44.960 question he's very into detail and I don't and I 992 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:49.559 didn't have any doubts that Vince McMahon r. Wasn't going 993 01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:55.440 to attain his goals. I didn't doubt that at all 994 01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:02.000 because he had such a strong found day. The foundation 995 01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:10.079 of the WWWF back then was built on guys like 996 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:26.000 Bruno San Martino, Pedro Morales, guys like Don Morocco, Jimmy Snooker, 997 01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:32.960 the Iron Sheet, the Iron Chek played a very important 998 01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:39.760 role in vinced Junior's success. And I know the Iron 999 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:43.960 Cheek maybe had some problems with that, but he made 1000 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:48.639 the right decisions and I know he checked on those 1001 01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:53.239 decisions and thought about him for a long time. I'm 1002 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:58.199 saying you did the right thing, Iron Sheet, Thank you much. 1003 01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.320 The Rockland, I have a lot of struck for you, 1004 01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:05.400 to least you know where our country dot com, what 1005 01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:09.119 I did in America and a special WWE. 1006 01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:09.880 Number one company. 1007 01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:13.840 What I want to say a sid I'm happy to 1008 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:17.000 v with you today in the Botcher Louai Wa then 1009 01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.880 gave a country and I'm very happy. 1010 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:20.760 To see you again. 1011 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:25.199 And one of the biggest stay for me and a 1012 01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:29.719 special my young agents and Meghan and his fathers are 1013 01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:33.039 here and my family Here's got a lot of good 1014 01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:36.679 friends in the Boer Loop. I'm very happy to be 1015 01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:41.000 today to see you again since the Olympic nineteen seventy 1016 01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:45.400 two Moonic Germany and now I'm in the batter lou 1017 01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:47.239 Wah after forty years. 1018 01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:50.360 God bless w W and then gave it. 1019 01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:53.119 Admit it. 1020 01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:54.880 You love Nick bar Batty when he co hosts with 1021 01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:56.679 me on the Wade Keller Post Shows. Well, now you 1022 01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.039 can listen to him every week on The Nikkis Club, 1023 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.679 a v i P xclusive podcast. 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We're compatible with Patreons, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, 1035 01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:30.039 and just about any other iOS or Android app out there. 1036 01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.880 You also stream directly from our ad free VIP website, 1037 01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:35.199 the Nickys Club waiting for you every week at pw 1038 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:36.239 Torch VIP. 1039 01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:45.920 Mister Backlin will take you back just a little bit 1040 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:48.239 from what you were talking about. You had a six 1041 01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:53.440 year reign as WWA champion, You sold out Madison Square Guard, 1042 01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:55.480 and you were very successful in the big markets in 1043 01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:56.199 the Northeast. 1044 01:03:57.079 --> 01:03:59.559 Talk about the opponents. 1045 01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.280 That you were the most sussel with. I think of 1046 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:03.719 Don Rocco, who you talked about, my myth from Morocco, 1047 01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:07.920 and what a contrast he was to you. The all American, 1048 01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:11.159 the all American, the Ray Band, Sun Glasses, I think 1049 01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:15.280 I have mine on and Greg Valentine, and but you 1050 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:21.400 had just the who's who of wrestling villains too to 1051 01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:22.239 do business with. 1052 01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:23.039 Talk about that. 1053 01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:26.800 Talk about your reign, your very successful reign in WF champion. 1054 01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:29.119 Well, Vince mcmanon Senior said he was going to bring 1055 01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:34.159 the best in and ladies and gentlemen. I was trained 1056 01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:44.280 by Harley Race, Dorry Funk, Terry Funk, Jack Brisco, and 1057 01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:48.559 they showed me how to do it, and they were 1058 01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:50.960 training me to be the n w A champion, which 1059 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:55.039 I didn't know way back when. And in the nw 1060 01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:59.320 A you had to wrestle Dusty Rhodes in Florida, and 1061 01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.679 you had to be because you're the champion. But you 1062 01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:08.679 had to make him stronger. You had to make him 1063 01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:12.519 better because he was going to stay in Florida and 1064 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:16.480 keep making money for that territory. And the next night 1065 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:20.039 you'd wrestle in Texas and you'd wrestle with some big 1066 01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:25.800 heel and you had to beat the babyface, and you 1067 01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:32.599 had to travel. And I was prepared to go and 1068 01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:37.760 wrestle with people in the WWF that Vince McMahon wanted 1069 01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:42.960 me to, and I was prepared to make them look good. 1070 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:50.360 I was prepared to let him share in the drawing power. 1071 01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:58.880 Don Morocco, I beat him? How good was his career 1072 01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:06.760 after I beat him? Don Morocco? Sergeant Slaughter, I beat. 1073 01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:09.400 Him, I got carried out of the ring. 1074 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:14.039 I won the match, but he won the war. I 1075 01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:20.719 was a constant underdog. How good did Sergeant Slaughter do 1076 01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:21.719 after I beat him? 1077 01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:22.920 Became a phenomenon? 1078 01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:26.320 Working with the Iron Shape, Yes, sir, they had matches 1079 01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:33.400 that were above all levels and Jimmy Suka. How good 1080 01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:37.000 did he do? After I got carried out in the stretcher. 1081 01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:39.719 He became the biggest box office draw in the world. 1082 01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:43.280 In a cage match in Madison Square Garden where he 1083 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:52.800 jumped off the top of the cage. I loved the 1084 01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:59.159 people that he sent to me, and I changed the business. 1085 01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:06.119 The undercard started meaning something. And I'm not saying anything 1086 01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:09.920 negative about Bruno San Martino, but he was a monster, 1087 01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:15.320 strongest guy in the world probably, and he went out 1088 01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:22.239 there and he beat people. He wasn't really thinking about 1089 01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:26.480 their career, but that was his job, and he was 1090 01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:38.559 the draw in the WWF back in his day. We 1091 01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:41.159 were complete opposite. It was one hundred degree difference, and 1092 01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:43.920 I think that's what Vince was trying to make happen. 1093 01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:51.320 It was a little more control for him, and I 1094 01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:55.800 think that was purposely done to change the way the 1095 01:07:55.840 --> 01:08:00.239 business was out. 1096 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.440 Let's talk about the when you found out that you 1097 01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:07.519 would be instrumental in that transition with Bob Ackland to 1098 01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:10.199 Hakog and how was that presented to you, and how 1099 01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:13.159 did you feel about the news being delivered that that 1100 01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:15.400 was on its way and how much did you know 1101 01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:16.239 when that was happening. 1102 01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:21.279 Well, I didn't know too much about it to the. 1103 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:31.760 One month, and I mean just I feel at that 1104 01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:34.760 time was too for the. 1105 01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:40.359 Orange sheet after many years to the traveling and paper 1106 01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:42.359 is due and hard working. 1107 01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:46.000 And all the time was ready to. 1108 01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:50.319 Arg and be the w W Champlain and I've never 1109 01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.800 forgotten back then did the great job for me and 1110 01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.439 put me over and I want to say, without mister 1111 01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.960 McBrien and we got master back then, I cannot be 1112 01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:02.479 here today. 1113 01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:03.840 And it was. 1114 01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:10.439 Great, great feelings for me, like I said, I mean, 1115 01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:13.760 I mean, like I said, I grew. 1116 01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:17.960 Up with wrestling and it was everything was hard for 1117 01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:22.199 me to Geral America but myself not speak English and 1118 01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.560 not too many friends and be a bad guy and 1119 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:30.680 with the Atollo flag and and uh you know speak 1120 01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:34.560 for c and but but I loved my sports so 1121 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:38.319 much I said, someday we're gonna be my tour to. 1122 01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:42.359 Aby Champlain changed to god, I made it now even. 1123 01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:45.079 I'm handicapped a lot of damage into my knee an 1124 01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:46.800 killed bar because that. 1125 01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:48.000 Was part of my job. 1126 01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:52.760 But but I'm happy is still and to the mister 1127 01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:59.760 McMahan and teactured me and I'm just to meet it 1128 01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:03.640 to be the Hall of Fame or champ whin. I 1129 01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:07.880 cannot forget about my sport. I know I have up 1130 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.920 and down, a lot of damage sometimes in my body, 1131 01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.119 and a lot of bad thing on the roads sometimes. 1132 01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:18.119 But still I'm a good example for the. 1133 01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:23.600 Young generation in America and all over the world. If 1134 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:25.199 you want to be champlain, if you want to be 1135 01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:28.159 the best, you don't mix it. You have to ready 1136 01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:34.560 go practice and paychich to your sport, and then you 1137 01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:38.439 have to love it to be the best. But sometimes 1138 01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.840 sometimes bad friend, and I don't want to put the 1139 01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:45.640 hit to the bad friend, and a harder about my 1140 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:49.640 job a sport, I added something bad thing, and I 1141 01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:53.319 pay for my dude costicity lose a million million dollars, 1142 01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:56.279 but love still changes to God. 1143 01:10:57.640 --> 01:10:58.119 I'm here. 1144 01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:01.880 I want to ask both of you this question, and 1145 01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:03.680 either of you can jump in first. I want to 1146 01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:06.680 know what era of your career you had the most 1147 01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:08.960 fun with what you talk about. You have to have 1148 01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:11.159 a passion for what you do to be successful, and 1149 01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:14.079 obviously your professionals you're doing it for the money, You're 1150 01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:16.279 doing it because the promoter puts a lot of faith 1151 01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:16.479 in you. 1152 01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:17.600 But you have to have fun. 1153 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.239 What part of the business for you, what era of 1154 01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:23.359 it and what aspect of it did you love the 1155 01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:25.760 most that kept it, kept it rolling and kept your 1156 01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:26.560 enthusiasm going. 1157 01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:30.279 Go ahead, well, get to have. 1158 01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:33.079 Every day and the head the gym were parts running 1159 01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:38.079 and stay good shaped barbone and then love my business 1160 01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:40.720 and pay attention to the old time in La Bruno 1161 01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:43.000 Sammartinos and some another and. 1162 01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:48.119 Greatest wrestler in the w W and w O or 1163 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:49.439 all over the country. 1164 01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:54.359 And uh it was to me was different because I'm 1165 01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:59.239 the first Middle Easter Iranian come to the greatest professional 1166 01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:00.640 wrestling country. 1167 01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:06.920 And it was very hard, very rough and not. 1168 01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:13.239 You know, I mean travel every day and airport to 1169 01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:17.520 the airport, and sometimes I had a cup of. 1170 01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:20.439 Cold beer make me relaxed on some another thing. And 1171 01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:25.279 you know, I mean I cannot say I didn't have it, 1172 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:26.520 but I had it. 1173 01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:30.960 It's good to have it. But also moderation is number one. 1174 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:38.840 I want to talk about the art of a wrestling match, 1175 01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:43.119 and this art isn't there anymore. 1176 01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:48.439 You start out here and you want to end up here, 1177 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:56.600 and you build that slowly throughout the match. You're trying 1178 01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:01.439 to draw the people in the crowd into it slowly 1179 01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:07.079 as you go through these certain moves in motion, and 1180 01:13:07.239 --> 01:13:10.920 you listen to the crowd and they tell you what 1181 01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:15.520 what direction you're going to go by the way they react, 1182 01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:21.760 and you build it. You build it, and you build it, 1183 01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:24.960 and you want to blow the roofus at the end, 1184 01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:30.359 not in the middle. There's a lot of matches. 1185 01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:34.359 The middle is bigger than the end. 1186 01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:38.920 Back in the day, the peak always had. 1187 01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:44.359 To be at the end. You go home at the end. 1188 01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:48.840 You want to get those people involved in liking it. 1189 01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:54.199 I had people that I had me and the the 1190 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:59.960 the cold call the short arm scissor, and I try 1191 01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:02.680 to pick him up once and I couldn't do it. 1192 01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:06.399 The next time I tried to pick them up, people 1193 01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:10.399 were more involved and they cheered louder. And then the 1194 01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:13.079 next time, on the third time, I'd try to do 1195 01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:16.720 it again and they the crowd would even start louder. 1196 01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:18.920 Because you thought you were helping me get out of 1197 01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:22.079 the hold. Well you were. You were making me stronger 1198 01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:26.640 by they are adrenaline in my body. I picked up 1199 01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:29.600 Paul Cogan with one arm. I could have never did 1200 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:33.840 that in practice. I gave the toomic knee drop to 1201 01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:40.000 crush your Blackwell three four hundred and fifty pounds because 1202 01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:43.800 of you, and because of you being involved the match. 1203 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:48.920 My whole life in the wrestling business was like a 1204 01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:49.720 wrestling match. 1205 01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:51.800 It started at the. 1206 01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:55.079 Bottom, and it built, and it built and it built, 1207 01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:59.039 and you got behind me stronger and stronger on a 1208 01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:00.079 day to day base. 1209 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:06.560 When I walked into the ring, there's nothing that Vince 1210 01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:08.119 McMahon asked me to do things. 1211 01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:11.199 I never questioned it. There was no option like that. 1212 01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:12.479 I had to do it. 1213 01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:19.399 In the dressing him one time he said, called Ernie 1214 01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:22.000 Ladd six ten, three. 1215 01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:25.279 Hundred and fifty pounds, He's gonna do the Tomic knee 1216 01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:30.520 drop to you. Ernie Ladd said after the match, I 1217 01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:35.199 wouldn't have believed it unless I was there when Vincent 1218 01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:37.119 Man said that, I couldn't question it. 1219 01:15:37.399 --> 01:15:38.439 I had to do it. 1220 01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:47.159 It was like a wrestling match my career. I loved 1221 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:53.039 every minute of it, even though it wasn't fun. Sometimes. 1222 01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:56.520 I loved the climbing the ladder. 1223 01:15:57.039 --> 01:16:03.279 I loved the excitement, and I love the story told. 1224 01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:06.640 And I was trying to be a good role model, 1225 01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:10.520 and I'm still trying to be a good role model. 1226 01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:15.119 I go out there and I want to inspire every 1227 01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:20.560 person in the building of all ages, because it's never 1228 01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:26.840 too late to make your life better. Thank you very much, 1229 01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:27.800 ladies and gentlemen. 1230 01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:30.800 I gotta get to the gym. I gotta work out 1231 01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:34.079 right now. Thank you, good night, and we'll see you later. 1232 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:41.600 Thank you, thank you, thank you very much. 1233 01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:42.359 Appreciate you. 1234 01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:47.399 Good good, Thank you, do you much your back, thank you, 1235 01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:48.399 thank you. 1236 01:16:58.159 --> 01:16:58.840 You got that. 1237 01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:08.840 Okay, that's right, Hold up, thank you quick. 1238 01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:13.680 You're doing right up here. 1239 01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:29.920 Okay, oh, thank you. 1240 01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:30.880 Well. 1241 01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:33.279 I don't know Bob knows a chic, but we we 1242 01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:36.479 have three more hours to fill of podcast TODs. 1243 01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:37.840 So no, no, I'm kidding. 1244 01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:43.239 My STERI back then, my ster back then, steal you 1245 01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:43.800 have it. 1246 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:51.119 You don't have No, he's not je Ronnie. 1247 01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:52.239 He's a very good man. 1248 01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:57.199 I have a lot of him, you know, mister Bob Bucke. 1249 01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:25.600 Yeah, thank you, yeah, yeah, thank you, mister Blank Josolen. 1250 01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:26.880 Yeah, thank you. 1251 01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:30.520 She for your stories and your insights and sharing your 1252 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:32.960 time with the audience today. Thank you everybody for joining 1253 01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.119 us here at the museum. It's it's great show and support, 1254 01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:39.399 and we thank you for coming here from Iowa or 1255 01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:43.359 across the country. And showing support for UH, something that 1256 01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:46.720 I have been touting since last year when I made 1257 01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:48.119 my first appearance here. 1258 01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:49.680 This museum is special. 1259 01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:53.039 It is run by good people and I think they 1260 01:18:53.159 --> 01:18:56.800 are paying a tremendous tribute in some very classy ways 1261 01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:59.920 that deserve the attention and the attendance that we're giving it. 1262 01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.039 And to have Bob and Cheek here and to be 1263 01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:05.079 able to share stories and insights with them is a 1264 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:07.359 big part of that. And you guys being here is 1265 01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:08.840 why it can happen. So thank you for that too. 1266 01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:10.920 Thanks, thank you. 1267 01:19:19.079 --> 01:19:21.840 All right, well, thanks for joining me here. This is 1268 01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:25.680 WAYD Keller back after listening in on the podcast recorded 1269 01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:29.079 last month. I appreciate all of you for joining me 1270 01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:34.039 today here at PW Torch. iPhone users, if you're listening 1271 01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:36.439 to us on the native podcast app on your iPhone, 1272 01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:40.119 you can unlock our commercial free versions of our free 1273 01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:44.119 shows by searching PW Torch in Apple Podcasts. You'll see 1274 01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:46.640 a charcoal grade logo that says PW Torch VIP on it. 1275 01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:49.239 Click on that. 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Just search PW 1288 01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:23.439 Torch in your Apple podcast app. 1289 01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:41.439 Wake Up, Hey, Wake Up. You're not from Portland and 1290 01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:44.680 didn't grow up in the sixties seventies radies. You have 1291 01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:48.479 no idea what the hell I just did? The hell 1292 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:51.640 did I just say? I'll tell you what I said, 1293 01:20:52.359 --> 01:20:55.800 as you probably heard a couple of week earlier. This week, 1294 01:20:56.399 --> 01:21:00.359 about a week ago or so, that the legend very 1295 01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:04.439 pitch man for Portland Wrestling, one of the great sponsors 1296 01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:12.239 of Portland Wrestling, Tom Peterson, passed away. It was very sad, 1297 01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:15.640 you know. He he had been he had been sick 1298 01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:20.159 for for quite some time. So that's that's understandable. But 1299 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:24.600 you know, and he was eighty six years old. That's 1300 01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:29.079 that's another thing. But Tom was a legend, you know. 1301 01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:31.520 And I don't know where wherever you grew up. And 1302 01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:33.680 this is the thing, if you're too young to remember this, 1303 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:41.760 there were you know, there was a time when how 1304 01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:43.359 do you how do you put this? There was a 1305 01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:52.319 time when you had these crazy, these crazy local commercials 1306 01:21:54.039 --> 01:22:00.399 with these crazy pitch man I guess carvel Cakes in 1307 01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:02.520 in New York would qualify. 1308 01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:03.479 Uh. 1309 01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:05.000 You know, we talked about I think on the first 1310 01:22:05.039 --> 01:22:08.000 episode we talked about Bob Luce and his wrestling, and 1311 01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:12.920 we talked about Moose Cholac and UH and the commercials 1312 01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:16.439 he did for his place. Also we've talked about Mad 1313 01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:20.159 Dog Vashan when he did commercials in the Minneapolis area 1314 01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:24.079 for god what beer was it. I don't even remember 1315 01:22:24.119 --> 01:22:26.800 it off the top of my head. But Tom Peterson 1316 01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:31.960 was in that vein and you know, and in the 1317 01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:34.439 world we live in, and and don't get me wrong, 1318 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:36.279 I you know, the world we live in is a 1319 01:22:36.359 --> 01:22:39.760 decent place. When we've got things are much slicker, things 1320 01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:43.039 are faster, things communicate better. But one of the things 1321 01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:46.600 we are missing are those crazy local characters like that. 1322 01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:48.920 It's just it's just not the same. There was There 1323 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:53.960 was cal Worthington in California, the car dealer who would 1324 01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:56.079 eat a bug to make you a deal, or stand 1325 01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:59.199 on his head to make you a deal, and then 1326 01:22:59.239 --> 01:23:02.520 he got kicked out of California for our ethical business practices. 1327 01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:06.359 But by god, those commercials were funny, and that's that's 1328 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:12.319 really what matters, isn't it. So we had Tom Peterson 1329 01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:16.039 in Portland all that stuff. In Seattle, there was Dick Balch. 1330 01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:20.439 There were the the Rainier Beers, the stampeding herd of 1331 01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:26.039 Rainier Beers, these giant bottles of beer that people put 1332 01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:28.039 over their heads and they would run around. They were 1333 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:31.319 like like a stampeding herd of deer or bison or something, 1334 01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:34.239 but they were these large beer bottles. So there was 1335 01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:38.279 all kinds of crazy stuff. And Tom Peterson fit that mold. 1336 01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:41.800 And I don't know where you grew up or if 1337 01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:44.000 you even know what the hell I'm talking about, but 1338 01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:47.760 that's why, you know Tom Peterson was such a big 1339 01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:48.760 big deal. 1340 01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:51.920 Was because. 1341 01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.960 He uh, you know, he was just he was the 1342 01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:00.920 guy in Portland. I mean, he was very amus in Portland. 1343 01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:04.239 He you know, he's in a bunch of movies because 1344 01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:07.720 of his affiliation with with Portland. And you know, he 1345 01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:11.079 was he was eighty six years old, so I mean 1346 01:24:11.159 --> 01:24:15.760 he was born in nineteen thirty and so obviously he 1347 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:18.720 had very different sensibilities and different things. He had that 1348 01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:22.800 he had this flat top marine haircut, and that was 1349 01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:26.239 part of his his persona. I mean, this thing was 1350 01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:33.520 you know, you could you could take a level and 1351 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:35.600 put it on top of his head and I'm sure 1352 01:24:35.640 --> 01:24:39.159 that bubble would not move on Tom Peterson's hair, that 1353 01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:43.960 flat top marine haircut. But also part of his appeal 1354 01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:52.479 was his crazy, his crazy, nutty wacky commercials. And that's 1355 01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:55.560 what the fun of his of his whole deal was, 1356 01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:03.399 is that he was Tom Peterson and that he uh, 1357 01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:06.319 he was just fun. 1358 01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:08.439 He was just. 1359 01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:13.119 He was just fun. Wake up, wake up. And I 1360 01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:18.920 mean everybody loved Everybody loved Tom Peterson. Everybody did. There 1361 01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:23.239 wasn't there's not anybody alive who did not love Tom Peterson. 1362 01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:27.560 And he'd been sick for quite some time. He's, uh, 1363 01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:33.640 he'd suffered from Parkinson's and his wife Gloria take care 1364 01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:35.640 of him, and you know, he'd been in this home 1365 01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:37.319 for for quite a while. 1366 01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:39.800 And uh. 1367 01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:44.840 And and and of course you you know you've probably 1368 01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:52.640 heard regardless of whether or not you you have listened 1369 01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:54.680 to uh you know, you know Portland Wrestling or not. 1370 01:25:55.399 --> 01:25:59.840 You know, you know that. 1371 01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:04.319 But one of the sponsors went bankrupt and that sponsor, 1372 01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:13.239 that sponsor was Tom Peterson. And he didn't go out 1373 01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:18.000 of business, he just went bankrupt. He bought stereo superstores 1374 01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:21.359 in the early nineties and that just kind of took 1375 01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:24.640 care of a lot of his capital and so he 1376 01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:27.199 was still in business up until like two thousand and nine, 1377 01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:31.119 I think. But it was just the timing of you know, 1378 01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:35.399 the problems with the Oregon Boxing Wrestling Commission, you know, 1379 01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:40.560 the territories dying out anyway, don owen getting older, and 1380 01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:42.880 then you know, Tom Peterson lost a lot of money. 1381 01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:47.039 And also the TV station KPTV Channel twelve. You know, 1382 01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:49.960 like a lot of TV stations discovered that it was 1383 01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:52.119 that it was easier. 1384 01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:56.640 To just have. 1385 01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:05.079 Just have you know, recorded programming and not have to 1386 01:27:05.159 --> 01:27:07.680 do live because they would go out to the Portland 1387 01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:11.840 Ports Arena every Saturday night and set up these cameras 1388 01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:14.039 and these I was there's got to be a picture 1389 01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:20.279 somewhere online of these cameras. These cameras were like like 1390 01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:25.239 refrigerators on their side, like refrigerators on a dolly. These 1391 01:27:25.279 --> 01:27:31.560 cameras were ridiculously huge and ridiculously out of date. I mean, 1392 01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:36.199 and this is another thing about wrestling is is in 1393 01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:43.159 the uh in the the sixties, they're still making the 1394 01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:45.840 move to color TV. And you may see like some 1395 01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:49.239 older older shows that say, you know, the World of 1396 01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:52.960 Disney in color, or someone make the phrase live and 1397 01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:55.760 in color, Well that was because you know, they're much 1398 01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:58.439 like the transition to HD, where everyone was talking about 1399 01:27:58.560 --> 01:28:01.279 HD a few years ago and being an HD was 1400 01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:04.439 a big deal that in that era, being in color 1401 01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:08.279 was a big deal. I know that sounds crazy, but 1402 01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:12.439 it's true. As a Christopher crosslong, wasn't it. But we're 1403 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:15.960 not caught in the world between New York City the 1404 01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:20.520 Moon in New York City, but we are talking about 1405 01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:23.000 you know, wrestling was kind of behind the times, and 1406 01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:26.720 it took a while for Portland Wrestling to get into color. 1407 01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:31.479 And that probably explains because the handles ridiculously huge TV 1408 01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:40.079 cameras for Portland Wrestling, so anyway, Tom Peterson passed away. 1409 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:45.000 He was a legend as far as advertising goes in Portland, 1410 01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:47.680 and you know, he's you know, you can't have a 1411 01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:52.399 conversation in Portland and talk about Portland wrestling without talking 1412 01:28:52.439 --> 01:28:56.760 about Tom Peterson. And you can't talk about Tom Peterson 1413 01:28:56.800 --> 01:29:02.920 without talking about Portland wrestling. It's just they're just they 1414 01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:06.119 just correspond. Later on, they did this great thing and 1415 01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:08.079 I tried to text him. He hasn't gotten back to me. 1416 01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:09.479 I don't if he got a new phone or he 1417 01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:10.479 doesn't like me anymore. 1418 01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:10.640 What. 1419 01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:13.239 But I tried to get the grappler on because there 1420 01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:18.239 was a probably like nineteen eighty eight, eighty nine, maybe 1421 01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:23.680 maybe ninety, I don't know. Towards the end, Tom Peterson 1422 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:27.119 would have those cardboard stand ups of him, and he 1423 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:30.720 brought one into the studio, and the grappler was kind 1424 01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:33.880 of a promo about who knows, you know, Billy Jack 1425 01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:36.960 Haynes or whoever. He was talking about, Steve Doll whatever, 1426 01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:39.840 just out of nowhere. Towards the end of the interview, 1427 01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:42.239 he goes and I'm sick of these Tom Peters. I'm 1428 01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:46.600 sick of Tom Peterson, and he rips the who roofs 1429 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:50.159 the head off of the Tom Peterson cardboard cutout. It 1430 01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:55.479 was hilarious, but you know, and Tom was like, I 1431 01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:58.119 gotta get revenge on the grappler somehow. I'm not strong, 1432 01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:01.760 I can't fight him, but I'm gonna get revenge somehow 1433 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:05.279 on the grappler. And I don't know that he ever did, 1434 01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:08.319 but it was still really funny. Tom Peters said he 1435 01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:10.920 used to stack up TVs in the Crow's Nest or 1436 01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:14.680 it did. The shows they would stack up TVs sort 1437 01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:16.760 of looked like a game show, looked like twenty thousand 1438 01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:19.039 dollars pyramid or something with all of the TVs and 1439 01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:23.119 he would stack up in the uh in the Crow's Nest. 1440 01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:26.680 But yeah, it's a time gone by. And I hope 1441 01:30:26.720 --> 01:30:30.840 wherever you live that you had had somebody, some crazy, 1442 01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:37.680 wacky zany guy who does commercials, and you know, there's 1443 01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:40.720 it's some people still do them, but I don't know 1444 01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:42.880 what it is that they don't seem to fit in 1445 01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:46.840 this era. They don't seem to be as effective as 1446 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:48.640 they used to be. And I don't maybe it's just 1447 01:30:48.680 --> 01:30:53.720 because it's a different era, different generation, different sensibilities, different 1448 01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:57.239 senses of humor. But there's like this one guy who 1449 01:30:57.319 --> 01:30:59.520 has like a mattress store and he's got it's like 1450 01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:04.359 matt Barn or Mattress Ranch or something, and it's it's 1451 01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:06.960 got like all of these cutout animals all over it, 1452 01:31:07.159 --> 01:31:09.800 and it's, well, it's fugly. I'm not gonna lie, it's 1453 01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:12.399 it's hideous. And he's got a wacky tie and he 1454 01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:16.640 dances in his commercials and I find it annoying. I 1455 01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:18.600 don't find it endearing anymore. And I don't know if 1456 01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:22.000 it's just that I've gotten older or production is slicker now, 1457 01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:26.840 but it's just I don't know, it's just different. Speaking 1458 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:30.680 of different, Oh, by the way, we do have magnum Ta. 1459 01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:33.279 He's gonna come up here in a little bit on 1460 01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:35.600 the show, and I'm very excited about that. He's gonna 1461 01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:39.359 be at fan Fest in Charlotte, and I'm coming to 1462 01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:43.760 fan Fest and Hell's coming with me. Sorry, some friends 1463 01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:50.960 on Facebook we're talking about Tombstone. But anyway, fan Fest 1464 01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:55.079 this Wednesday, I'm filling in for Pat McNeil. Pat's gonna 1465 01:31:55.119 --> 01:31:59.119 go on a much deserved, much earned vacation and I'm 1466 01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:02.880 in between vacers, so I'm gonna go to fan Fest 1467 01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:07.920 and we're going to do the live cast on Wednesday. 1468 01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:09.960 I think it was five thirty. I think it's five 1469 01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:12.479 thirty Eastern, two thirty Pacific. I think that's when Pat 1470 01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:17.520 does his. Anyway, we are gonna do it live from 1471 01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:20.560 the from the hotel there, the Hilton or whatever it 1472 01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:23.600 is there, and we're gonna do it live there and 1473 01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:26.880 we're hopeful to get My goal is that there's going 1474 01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:29.039 to be a whole bunch of wrestlers and stuff setting 1475 01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:32.520 up that night for fan Fest, and they're gonna come 1476 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:35.039 by and we're gonna go, hey, so and so come here, 1477 01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:38.119 and they're gonna talk story and tell some tall tales 1478 01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:39.920 and they're gonna take off and set up their booth 1479 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:42.880 and get ready to sell their gimmicks. Then another guy's 1480 01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:45.560 gonna come in and they're gonna talk, and maybe a woman, 1481 01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:49.319 superstar wrestler, whomever will come in. I just picture this, 1482 01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:51.319 this whole thing where just there's a whole bunch of 1483 01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:52.720 walk ons. I want it to be like the old 1484 01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:55.680 Johnny Carson show where there's just walk on after walk 1485 01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:58.680 on after walk on. That's that's what I want. I 1486 01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:01.319 make no promises because it's going to depend on who 1487 01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:03.399 the hell's there, and I don't know. I can't control 1488 01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:09.880 who's going to be there, but we're gonna try so 1489 01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:13.600 Wednesday myself and then Britt Whitmeyer from The Brad and 1490 01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:15.439 Britt Show is going to be co hosting and he's 1491 01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:17.680 going to be there too, So we are going to 1492 01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:21.960 be hopefully doing a fun, live, active, crazy show and 1493 01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:27.039 maybe we'll talk about SmackDown if anyone cares. Still good, God, 1494 01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:29.199 what a terrible show, but we don't talk about that here. 1495 01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:34.520 Oh and by the way, this is funny. So I 1496 01:33:34.600 --> 01:33:36.920 was talking with Greg Price, the guy who promotes the 1497 01:33:37.000 --> 01:33:39.039 show and everything, and I was like, so, is anybody 1498 01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:41.800 going to be there on Wednesday? Setting up ahead of time? 1499 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:43.520 And he goes, yeah, let me see if I can 1500 01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:45.600 get Jim Cornette to come over and talk to you. 1501 01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:50.119 Oh. 1502 01:33:50.199 --> 01:33:51.399 I had a good laugh over that. 1503 01:33:52.600 --> 01:33:54.560 I laughed and laughed. 1504 01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:56.239 Laugh. 1505 01:33:57.479 --> 01:34:03.159 Hang on a second, I'm still laughing, man, Is that funny? 1506 01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:07.720 Let me see? Because Jim Cornett hates Wade Killer and 1507 01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:10.920 Bruce Mitchell and Mark Madden too. I think, even though 1508 01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:13.439 Madden's not with the Torch anymore of it, Jim and 1509 01:34:13.560 --> 01:34:15.399 Jim Cornette, I don't know if you know this or not, 1510 01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:19.359 but and I may be talking out of school here, 1511 01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:22.760 I don't know, but Jim Cornett is known to harbor 1512 01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:24.159 a grudge from time to time. 1513 01:34:26.319 --> 01:34:26.800 Yeah, so. 1514 01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:32.520 I gently explained to Greg that, no, I don't think 1515 01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:36.159 that's going to be happening. Don't think Jim Cornett's going 1516 01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:39.520 to be on the show, even though I've never met 1517 01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:43.159 the man, never had the pleasure harbor no ill will 1518 01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:47.359 against him. Pretty sure Jim Cornett is not going to 1519 01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:48.199 be on the show. 1520 01:34:57.159 --> 01:34:59.520 Are you a fan of AW looking to sit back, 1521 01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:02.720 relax and listen to some like minded podcasters who share 1522 01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:03.279 your passion? 1523 01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:05.640 Do you want to be topped off the ledge after 1524 01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:07.960 a segment that has you wondering what the heck are 1525 01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:08.479 they thinking? 1526 01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:11.399 Do you want to join a discussion on what AW 1527 01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:14.039 is doing right and what they could do to improve? 1528 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:16.680 Then join me Joel and me Greg for. 1529 01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:19.520 The All Elee Conversation Club every Friday on the pw 1530 01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:23.520 torch Live Cast. Fee search pw torch in your podcast 1531 01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:26.760 app and subscribe to pw torch Daily Cast or stream 1532 01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:29.840 our shows directly from pw torch dot com. Find full 1533 01:35:29.920 --> 01:35:33.039 details on the pw torch Daily Cast lineup at PW 1534 01:35:33.239 --> 01:35:34.800 Torchdailycast dot com. 1535 01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:52.119 Enny moving on, I still think that hilario. Yeah, Jim, Yeah, 1536 01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:52.560 no problem. 1537 01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:56.119 Hey yea, Jim, We've got a podcast we need you 1538 01:35:56.199 --> 01:35:56.359 to do. 1539 01:35:56.479 --> 01:35:58.439 Oh yeah, no problem, Sure, what is it? 1540 01:35:58.960 --> 01:35:59.159 Yes? 1541 01:35:59.439 --> 01:35:59.760 What is it? 1542 01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:00.479 The Torch. 1543 01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:05.399 Then he'd just go off f bombs boom boom boom, 1544 01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:11.359 promo boom boom, probably mixed Vince Russo in there. 1545 01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:15.520 Hey, yeah, that would be That would be a beauty. 1546 01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:20.960 So anyway, Wet Whitby and myself live from fan Fest 1547 01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:24.000 and hopefully we'll get some people setting up speaking of 1548 01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:27.199 fan fast. Magnum Ta is gonna be coming up in 1549 01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:30.560 a few minutes talk to us about his career. And 1550 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:35.000 by the way, he started in Portland, Oregon. And we'll 1551 01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:39.319 tell you why a guy from Virginia started in Portland, Oregon. 1552 01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:43.840 And I'll give you a hint two words, buzz Sawyer 1553 01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:48.800 so and if you know buzz Sawyer's reputation, I think 1554 01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:52.640 you've probably put a couple of things together. But anyway, 1555 01:36:52.720 --> 01:36:54.600 we'll talk to Magnum coming up here a little bit. 1556 01:36:54.920 --> 01:36:57.000 There's another thing we'll talk about, speaking of old time 1557 01:36:57.640 --> 01:37:02.640 studio wrastling. You know, you probably if you're younger, you 1558 01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:08.199 know about Black Saturday when Vince McMahon got control of 1559 01:37:08.319 --> 01:37:11.439 the Georgia office, when the Brisco sold him their stock. 1560 01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:17.760 And there was that Black Saturday when Vince was the 1561 01:37:17.880 --> 01:37:22.159 host of Georgia Championship Wrestling or World Championship Wrestling or 1562 01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:25.479 whatever they called it. And it was a taped show 1563 01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:28.359 and it was all taped matches which we'd already seen 1564 01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:31.600 before on the USA Network a number of times. And 1565 01:37:31.680 --> 01:37:35.359 that went on for quite a while. But what is 1566 01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:37.720 not talked about a lot? And I've looked for this 1567 01:37:37.840 --> 01:37:40.119 on YouTube and it's now up on YouTube, and this 1568 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:45.119 is exciting if you haven't seen this. And I just 1569 01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:47.600 tweeted it out last night because I couldn't sleep because 1570 01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:49.680 it was I have air conditioning, but it was too 1571 01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:52.800 damn hot in my house. Hey, what that happens? Anyway, 1572 01:37:52.840 --> 01:37:57.159 I slept like craplers. So I'm a little cantankerous this morning. 1573 01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:03.920 You've been warned anyway. So I was serving YouTube, which 1574 01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:07.279 I want to do, and they have like they did. 1575 01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:09.920 I think they did only like two or three weeks 1576 01:38:10.399 --> 01:38:14.920 two for sure, but right before WrestleMania because part of 1577 01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:19.000 the agreement with that Ted Turner had with whomever had 1578 01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:22.720 the contract for TBS Wrestling was you had to do 1579 01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:25.920 a live show or you know, a show from the 1580 01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:30.319 TBS studios. You know, you couldn't just tape and do 1581 01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:33.039 those shows. And Vince McMahon and Ted Turner butted heads 1582 01:38:33.039 --> 01:38:38.119 and butted heads and butted heads, and finally Vince relented 1583 01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:43.279 and they did did the WWF did the show from 1584 01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:47.079 the TBS studios right before WrestleMania. So we're reaching the 1585 01:38:47.159 --> 01:38:50.760 crescendo of WrestleMania. It's a peak for wrestling. It's very exciting. 1586 01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:55.359 And there's this live show in a studio format, which 1587 01:38:55.439 --> 01:38:59.600 is crazy because the WWF always did arenas for the 1588 01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:02.880 most part. I mean sure back in the Worldwide Wrestling 1589 01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:06.880 Federation days, and you know, when Hulkogan first won the title, 1590 01:39:07.520 --> 01:39:09.760 they did, you know, shoot an Allen Town where they 1591 01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:12.439 had before, but not long after that they moved to 1592 01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:17.920 arenas in larger venues. And so the WWF is always 1593 01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:21.479 about this big spectacle, the big arenas and the banners 1594 01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:24.119 and all that stuff. And there are two shows which 1595 01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:27.760 are now up on YouTube, during the whole Black Saturday 1596 01:39:27.840 --> 01:39:31.960 debacle where the WWF is in the Georgia Championship Wrestling, 1597 01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:35.920 the TBS studios, there's the background that World Championship Wrestling had, 1598 01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:40.039 and there's Guerrilla Monsoon and there's Freddie Miller and they 1599 01:39:40.159 --> 01:39:43.880 bring in everybody and the crowd is going nuts and 1600 01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:47.920 deservedly so because it's it's the WWF and it's in 1601 01:39:48.039 --> 01:39:51.479 this tiny studio and it's it's fascinating. So I tweeted 1602 01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:55.079 it out last night this morning, whatever it is, you 1603 01:39:55.159 --> 01:39:57.000 can go to my Twitter at gim Valley and you 1604 01:39:57.079 --> 01:39:59.319 can see it for yourself, or look up on YouTube 1605 01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:05.000 wellu WF Georgia Championship Wrestling and there's about two hours 1606 01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:07.960 worth of stuff. And I knew it existed because I 1607 01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:10.920 watched it as a kid and it blew my mind 1608 01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:13.960 as a kid, and is seeing it as an adult, 1609 01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:19.079 it still blows my mind because there's a certain energy 1610 01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:23.199 and excitement about it because it's right before the big WrestleMania, 1611 01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:27.920 so the media frenzy. And then also to see you know, 1612 01:40:28.079 --> 01:40:31.439 hul Cogan is in the studio cutting promos, and to 1613 01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:34.279 see so many of these guys, it's like, oh my god, 1614 01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:36.600 they were you know, there's Roddy Piper, he was in Georgia. 1615 01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:39.279 Oh my god, there was Orange Orf he was in Georgia. 1616 01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:44.000 Jimmy Snooker Georgia. All of these guys had been in 1617 01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:50.439 that studio before under different auspices, but still and so 1618 01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:53.239 it'll just it blew my mind. So you'll see the 1619 01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:58.960 Junkyard Dog who made appearances in the TBS studios. You'll 1620 01:40:59.039 --> 01:41:03.840 see I said, Snooker wrestles Junkyard Dog. Andre the Giant 1621 01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:04.239 comes in. 1622 01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:07.399 It's amazing. 1623 01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:12.039 In the first hour, Gorilla Monsoon doesn't even know who 1624 01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:14.600 Freddy Miller is. He just calls him his colleague. And 1625 01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:17.600 then by the next week he knows who Freddy Miller is. 1626 01:41:22.600 --> 01:41:25.439 But it's just it's mind blowing. It's like an episode 1627 01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:30.000 of the Twilight Zone. To watch the WWF in the 1628 01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:34.279 Georgia studio and the TBS studio with the World Championship 1629 01:41:34.319 --> 01:41:40.920 Wrestling NWA background, the Crockett background doing the show, and 1630 01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:43.680 like I said, the crowd is going nuts. I don't 1631 01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:47.520 recall a Georgia crowd an NWA crowd being quite as loud. 1632 01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:50.000 And probably the reason is is because you know, those 1633 01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:51.960 are their guys and they can see their guys. But 1634 01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:54.560 now you've got you know, these people are not the 1635 01:41:54.680 --> 01:41:57.880 hometown people, and they're the people you see on MTV 1636 01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:00.960 and all that stuff. By the way, if you think 1637 01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:06.720 Piper was was never got crazy later on, Oh yeah, 1638 01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:10.840 he's he's, he gives he gives a completely nonsensical rambling interview. 1639 01:42:10.920 --> 01:42:16.039 It's it's crazy. So yeah, so you should look it up. 1640 01:42:16.079 --> 01:42:20.680 It's WWF Georgia Championship Wrestling. Or look at my Twitter 1641 01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:22.720 as I tweeted out a link yesterday, So go to 1642 01:42:23.039 --> 01:42:26.600 at Jim Valley and you can you can look it up. 1643 01:42:26.840 --> 01:42:31.279 So there you go. So, uh, we're here, we're live. 1644 01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:34.399 You can tweet me at Jim Valley. You can email 1645 01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:40.520 at PW Torchlive Cast at gmail dot com, or you 1646 01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:43.439 can call in it. What is the number six four 1647 01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:48.399 six seven one six four six seven two one nine 1648 01:42:48.479 --> 01:42:51.680 eight two eight. It's Jim Valley. It's the PW Torch 1649 01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:54.479 Live Cast and Magnetier is gonna be coming up in 1650 01:42:55.239 --> 01:42:56.199 just a little bit. 1651 01:42:57.079 --> 01:42:58.800 Wake up, hey, you wake up. 1652 01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:01.239 It's our stuff, a pucking Lop. 1653 01:43:01.159 --> 01:43:05.479 Sail where free is a very good crime, free mini brunch, 1654 01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:08.359 free Tom Peterson haircut. 1655 01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:10.159 Free gift with every purchase. 1656 01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:13.640 That's our famous seventiece living room group brow only four 1657 01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:16.399 ninety eight, but a free six by nine area runs. 1658 01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:19.479 Join us this weekend, have a chip, take a sip, 1659 01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:21.880 sit right down and have a clip. 1660 01:43:22.159 --> 01:43:22.319 Now. 1661 01:43:22.439 --> 01:43:25.279 That's Tom Peterson and Glorious Too. 1662 01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:31.039 That was after they restructured after bankruptcy. It went from 1663 01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:33.760 Tom Peterson's to the new name of the company was 1664 01:43:34.239 --> 01:43:38.239 Tom Peterson's and Glorious Too. And throughout the sixties, seventies 1665 01:43:38.279 --> 01:43:41.439 and eighties. Gloria wasn't part of it up until the nineties, 1666 01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:44.800 but that's when they restructured after the bankruptcy. And again 1667 01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:48.960 Tom Peterson had this flat top. So the gimmick was 1668 01:43:49.039 --> 01:43:51.239 is you could go get a free Tom Peterson haircut, 1669 01:43:52.560 --> 01:43:53.680 and you know he gave it. What you know, he 1670 01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:56.760 had the wake Up wake Up that was his gimmick 1671 01:43:56.760 --> 01:43:59.079 and he would he would show or give away depending 1672 01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:02.960 on the promotion, alarm clocks Tom Peterson alarm clocks that 1673 01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:06.159 would talk and say wake up with his face on it. 1674 01:44:07.159 --> 01:44:11.119 There were t shirts and wristwatches and all of this stuff. 1675 01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:13.720 And I mean, he was such a great character and 1676 01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:16.880 such a such a great community member, and you know, 1677 01:44:16.960 --> 01:44:20.520 he lived a great life and before Portland was weird 1678 01:44:20.640 --> 01:44:24.079 and Hipsterville. You know it was you know, in the 1679 01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:27.079 Pacific Northwest. We were you know, we got by on 1680 01:44:27.159 --> 01:44:31.680 the timber industry, on logging and natural resources. So you had, 1681 01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:34.600 you know, all of these loggers and Tom Tom fit 1682 01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:36.600 in with bull as far as you know, he had 1683 01:44:36.640 --> 01:44:39.760 the the ironic thing going on for the hipsters now 1684 01:44:41.039 --> 01:44:43.960 and then also you know, fit in in a more 1685 01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:48.159 realistic way with with with the people who were who 1686 01:44:48.199 --> 01:44:50.520 were her logging men and women, who are mountain men 1687 01:44:50.600 --> 01:44:53.680 and women. But I mean that's you know, he had 1688 01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:57.840 Grammar furniture, and he also had you know, if you 1689 01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:01.640 lived in the Double Wide. So there you go. But 1690 01:45:01.720 --> 01:45:06.159 Tom Peterson, a great supporter of professional wrestling, passed away 1691 01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:09.039 at the age of eighty six, and everybody in the 1692 01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:11.359 Portland area is gonna miss him. It's big news. It 1693 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.319 was big, big news. And like I said, so no 1694 01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:16.680 matter where you lived, I'm sure you can relate as 1695 01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:19.760 far as if you're old enough to remember some crazy 1696 01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:23.520 local business that advertised and there's really like I said, 1697 01:45:23.680 --> 01:45:26.359 I think that has kind of gone by the by 1698 01:45:26.439 --> 01:45:30.279 the wayside, but who knows, maybe maybe it'll come back 1699 01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:33.520 in some shape or form or another. But yeah, so 1700 01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:37.560 So Tom Peterson a big deal when it came to 1701 01:45:37.640 --> 01:45:41.199 Portland wrestling and a big supporter of Portland wrestling. I 1702 01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:46.359 mean seriously, I mean how many how many people do 1703 01:45:46.479 --> 01:45:51.720 you know that are associated with just you know one thing, 1704 01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:57.560 you know, Tom Peterson. No one talks about any the 1705 01:45:57.600 --> 01:46:00.920 other shows that he that he sponsored, just Portland Wrastling 1706 01:46:02.840 --> 01:46:08.920 live for the Portland Sports Arena. So it's Jim Valley, 1707 01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:12.600 It's Saturday Morning Wrestling coming up here, magnet who is 1708 01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:13.479 going to talk about? 1709 01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:17.880 Uh, the the n W a fan. 1710 01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:21.399 Fast, the Charlotte FanFest every year, and he of course 1711 01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:24.520 is a staple of the fan fast. You can go 1712 01:46:24.640 --> 01:46:30.399 to NWA Legends dot com and take a look at 1713 01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:40.119 that and see more inform me. Yeah, they do a 1714 01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:41.880 Hall of Fame, but I don't think they can call 1715 01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:44.680 it a Hall of fame, so they call it the 1716 01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:50.239 Hall of Heroes. In one year, I think when I 1717 01:46:50.359 --> 01:46:53.760 was there, they inducted Jim Cornett in the Midnight Express 1718 01:46:53.880 --> 01:46:58.199 and they've they've inducted everybody, and now they're going to 1719 01:46:58.479 --> 01:47:03.960 uh induct Dusty Rhodes and Magnum of course, who was 1720 01:47:04.039 --> 01:47:08.479 a man who was a protege of Dusty Rhodes is 1721 01:47:08.680 --> 01:47:11.600 going to induct Dusty and we'll talk to Magnum about 1722 01:47:11.600 --> 01:47:13.840 his relationship with Dusty, and we'll talk to him about 1723 01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:17.479 his career. Of course, Magnum, you know, one of the 1724 01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:23.880 things fans love to play booking what if or you know, 1725 01:47:24.840 --> 01:47:27.680 you know, fan booking. I'm trying to think of the word. 1726 01:47:27.720 --> 01:47:29.479 I can't think of it, but one of it would 1727 01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:31.039 have happened if and one of one of the big 1728 01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:34.560 ones is always what if Magnum Ta hadn't been injured 1729 01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:38.000 in that crash? And I want to talk to him 1730 01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:39.880 about it, just to get his thoughts on where he 1731 01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:43.119 thinks he would fit in, because not long after his crash, 1732 01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:47.439 wrestling got really silly, you know, Crockett went out of business, 1733 01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:50.640 and Jim Hurd and then you had, you know, for 1734 01:47:51.159 --> 01:47:55.199 w CW, you had all this goofy crap, You had 1735 01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:59.279 the ding dongs, and you had all of this stupid 1736 01:47:59.680 --> 01:48:02.159 garb and I just wonder, I mean, the guy like 1737 01:48:02.279 --> 01:48:04.520 Magnum Tier, where the hell would he fit into all 1738 01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:10.920 the news because he was just a plane speaking, boots 1739 01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:14.079 hit you with the belly to belly, straightforward, kick ass 1740 01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:18.039 kind of guy. And it's just I wonder sometimes where 1741 01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:21.600 he would fit in this goofy circus. The WCW became 1742 01:48:22.279 --> 01:48:27.279 not terribly long after his accident because when Crockett's sold 1743 01:48:27.399 --> 01:48:29.840 I don't know, but we can talk to him about that. 1744 01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:31.800 We're gonna talk to him about a lot of things. 1745 01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:34.800 But we're very excited to have on the show a 1746 01:48:34.880 --> 01:48:37.720 guy whose career was relatively short. But I think it 1747 01:48:37.880 --> 01:48:41.159 speaks to the quality of his work and the character 1748 01:48:42.199 --> 01:48:46.000 of his persona and his person that he is well 1749 01:48:46.079 --> 01:48:49.399 remembered and well thought of to this day joining us now, 1750 01:48:49.560 --> 01:48:52.399 I'm joining me. Jim Valley here on the PW Torch 1751 01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:55.359 Live cast is the one and only Magnum Tia Magnum. 1752 01:48:55.399 --> 01:48:57.520 Thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate it. 1753 01:48:58.600 --> 01:49:00.399 Well, it's pleasures. Thank you for having me. 1754 01:49:01.960 --> 01:49:05.279 Hey man, So you've got the fan Fest. It's coming 1755 01:49:05.399 --> 01:49:08.479 up this weekend. You're you're a staple of the fans Fest. 1756 01:49:08.560 --> 01:49:10.760 What do you what do you enjoy about the about 1757 01:49:10.800 --> 01:49:11.399 the fan Fest? 1758 01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:15.720 Well, I enjoy the reunion, the reunion with so many 1759 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:18.960 of my counterparts that I don't have the opportunity to 1760 01:49:19.039 --> 01:49:22.079 see uh without an event like this, and and then 1761 01:49:22.159 --> 01:49:26.000 relive in memories with the fans and then bringing their 1762 01:49:26.119 --> 01:49:28.600 kids and you know they told their kids all about 1763 01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:32.159 you know, the history and uh things they grew up watching. 1764 01:49:32.279 --> 01:49:35.720 And you know, now YouTube and the WWE network, you know, 1765 01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:39.039 all have brought those things back full circle where uh 1766 01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:40.960 you know, they made the things we did thirty years 1767 01:49:41.000 --> 01:49:42.720 ago current in today's time. 1768 01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:47.960 Before pushing play on the weight Teller, Pro Wrestling post shows, 1769 01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:50.520 check out pw torch dot com and our TV review 1770 01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:53.439 section and skim through a full rundown of the TV 1771 01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:55.119 show if you didn't see it. That's your way to 1772 01:49:55.159 --> 01:49:58.000 get an overview of what happened before you dive into 1773 01:49:58.119 --> 01:50:01.520 our in depth analysis of the key happenings on the show. 1774 01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:04.720 That's pw torch dot com. You're home for live TV 1775 01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:07.920 coverage every Monday, Wednesday and Friday with my TV Reports, 1776 01:50:07.960 --> 01:50:09.920 and also check out our NXT and Impact coverage on 1777 01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:12.800 Tuesdays and Thursdays, our Collision reports on Saturday nights, and 1778 01:50:12.840 --> 01:50:14.720 of course our live pay per view and PLEE coverage 1779 01:50:15.039 --> 01:50:18.319 on weekends, all waiting for you at pw torch dot com. 1780 01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:23.800 And you know, I mean all the fans, they love you, 1781 01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:25.840 they remember you. One of the things I made it 1782 01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:27.520 a couple of years ago to FanFest and you and 1783 01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:30.479 I we talked briefly, and I'm totally sure you completely 1784 01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:35.680 remember it. I'm kidding, But anyway, I grew up in 1785 01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:41.720 Portland watching Don Owens Portland Wrestling and I remember you 1786 01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:45.439 briefly here around what was it like nineteen eighty one? 1787 01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:50.159 It was actually nineteen eighty and that was my very 1788 01:50:50.359 --> 01:50:55.119 first match in wrestling, was working for Donna Owens there 1789 01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:59.399 that Portland Bowl and out he had converted into a 1790 01:50:59.479 --> 01:51:00.439 wrestling arena. 1791 01:51:01.920 --> 01:51:03.760 You know, we talked to let's let's let's let's talk 1792 01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:06.600 about that before we get into exactly the roundabout way 1793 01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:09.399 you made it to Portland. But one of the things 1794 01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:11.840 I talk about on the show is like, I, you know, I, 1795 01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:14.640 you know, I used to talk with with Buddy Rose 1796 01:51:14.840 --> 01:51:17.560 and Kurt Hennig and such and and they would always 1797 01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:20.560 talk about the uniqueness of the what was dubbed the 1798 01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:24.079 Portland Sports Arena. And you mentioned that it was an 1799 01:51:24.079 --> 01:51:26.439 old bulling alley. What was your reaction the first time 1800 01:51:26.479 --> 01:51:27.359 you saw that place? 1801 01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:31.800 Well, you know, I had so many things going through 1802 01:51:31.880 --> 01:51:35.199 my head because again this was my first actual n 1803 01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:40.800 ring appearance. YEA ever, and I had like little or 1804 01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:44.439 no training, and my very first match was all over 1805 01:51:44.479 --> 01:51:48.600 there television show. Russell was no Sawyers, So it was, 1806 01:51:49.319 --> 01:51:53.119 uh the surroundings, uh kind of paled in comparison of 1807 01:51:53.319 --> 01:51:55.880 just the anxiety of doing what I did for the 1808 01:51:56.000 --> 01:51:57.199 very first time in my life. 1809 01:51:58.520 --> 01:52:01.000 So go ahead and tell this story, So about how 1810 01:52:01.279 --> 01:52:05.439 how how a Virginia guy ends up going to to Portland. 1811 01:52:07.119 --> 01:52:09.800 Well, I met I met Bruna Sawyer when he was 1812 01:52:09.880 --> 01:52:13.600 in the mid Atlantic. Uh, I was I was trying to, 1813 01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:17.119 you know, figure my way into the wrestling business. And 1814 01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:19.560 you know, back then it was so guarded, it was 1815 01:52:19.640 --> 01:52:21.560 so protected. It was a really tough thing to do. 1816 01:52:22.640 --> 01:52:30.600 And through just the backstage, uh backstage introductions that I 1817 01:52:30.720 --> 01:52:33.199 had to people because of friends I knew in a 1818 01:52:33.279 --> 01:52:36.720 law enforcement that had introduced me to some people, guys 1819 01:52:36.720 --> 01:52:40.640 who worked security there. Buzz and I struck up a 1820 01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:46.039 relationship and he was going to be the one to 1821 01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:51.680 train me and get me into wrestling. But before all 1822 01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:54.159 that was to be able to take place in the 1823 01:52:54.399 --> 01:52:58.960 Carolina's uh, he went to work for Don Owens went 1824 01:52:59.000 --> 01:53:02.399 out to Portland. So he had me go pick up 1825 01:53:02.520 --> 01:53:06.840 his little brother Brett down in Tampa, Florida, and I 1826 01:53:06.920 --> 01:53:09.840 brought him all the way back up to mid South, 1827 01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:14.359 uh to to uh bill watch Territory. While I hung 1828 01:53:14.399 --> 01:53:17.399 out with him, and guys like Jimmy Garvin and and 1829 01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:22.359 uh oh gosh, Junkyard Dog and Jason Saint Roberts and 1830 01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:25.039 all those guys met. You know, just a lot of 1831 01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:28.399 people kind of watched watched the rest and watching what 1832 01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:31.840 was going on all the time, waiting for Buzz to 1833 01:53:31.960 --> 01:53:35.159 call me up and and you know, bring me, bring 1834 01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:37.640 me up there. And I never got the call. So 1835 01:53:37.800 --> 01:53:41.399 I got in my car, drove cross country. I drove 1836 01:53:41.439 --> 01:53:43.439 all the way across California, then all the way up 1837 01:53:43.479 --> 01:53:46.319 the coast of Portland and showed up on his doorstep 1838 01:53:46.840 --> 01:53:50.760 and opened the door and had to a little sock 1839 01:53:50.920 --> 01:53:54.000 and make a long story short. I had one workout 1840 01:53:54.039 --> 01:53:58.119 in a ring prior to getting into business where it 1841 01:53:58.279 --> 01:54:01.239 was me, it was Buz, this little brother Brett, and 1842 01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:05.720 uh Princess Victoria, and we all worked out in the 1843 01:54:05.800 --> 01:54:06.880 rink for about two hours. 1844 01:54:07.640 --> 01:54:07.680 Me. 1845 01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:11.560 He had our surfle hit the ropes up to do 1846 01:54:11.720 --> 01:54:15.439 a few basic things and uh then Russ got of 1847 01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:19.560 history my first match with Buzz on TV. Uh he 1848 01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:22.079 had un tony to me, told Don that I'd been 1849 01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:25.600 working get him to south from Bill and nobody ever 1850 01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:28.520 checked it out, obviously, And they put me right to 1851 01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:31.479 work seven days a week, and I learned everything I did. 1852 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:34.199 Uh im prompt too the hard way in the ring. 1853 01:54:36.279 --> 01:54:40.800 Now, had you given buzz Sawyer money prior to him leaving? 1854 01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:42.439 Yeah? 1855 01:54:42.640 --> 01:54:46.119 I had, But you know, in respect of those passed 1856 01:54:46.159 --> 01:54:49.800 on and and things, uh kind of water under the 1857 01:54:49.880 --> 01:54:51.960 bridge or really don't want to belavor it. 1858 01:54:52.640 --> 01:54:52.720 Uh. 1859 01:54:52.800 --> 01:54:56.560 He sure he did some unscrupulous things to me, and 1860 01:54:56.640 --> 01:55:00.279 I think the Undertaker as well. Uh, but you know it. 1861 01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:04.600 Uh you know, why go gooky? You talking about that? 1862 01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:07.960 When had it not been for that, Uh yeah, my 1863 01:55:08.079 --> 01:55:09.600 story would be what it is today. 1864 01:55:11.159 --> 01:55:13.560 Well, I just want to say that you're obviously a 1865 01:55:13.680 --> 01:55:16.680 very determined You were a very determined young man at 1866 01:55:16.720 --> 01:55:18.399 that point. I think a lot of people probably just 1867 01:55:18.399 --> 01:55:21.720 would have written off the losses and and moved on. 1868 01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:24.880 So I think that says something about your character and 1869 01:55:25.159 --> 01:55:28.840 determination and desire to make it in your chosen field. 1870 01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:33.279 Well, I was young, I was strong, uh that I 1871 01:55:33.359 --> 01:55:35.279 didn't think that there was anything in the world I 1872 01:55:35.359 --> 01:55:35.800 couldn't do. 1873 01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:36.920 Uh. 1874 01:55:37.159 --> 01:55:38.000 And you know. 1875 01:55:38.199 --> 01:55:40.720 So the sky was the limit. Once somebody cracked the 1876 01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:43.079 door and let the end, I wasn't going away. 1877 01:55:44.520 --> 01:55:46.800 So do you do you have any memories of wrestling 1878 01:55:46.840 --> 01:55:48.960 in Portland other than other than your first match or 1879 01:55:48.960 --> 01:55:51.359 were you so focused on your craft that you sort 1880 01:55:51.399 --> 01:55:53.000 of had blinders on? 1881 01:55:54.399 --> 01:55:57.640 Well, the Savage was the booker, and uh, you know, 1882 01:55:58.239 --> 01:56:01.760 like I said, it was just a real learning experience. 1883 01:56:01.960 --> 01:56:02.079 Uh. 1884 01:56:02.520 --> 01:56:05.520 And I was so green, and the people there didn't 1885 01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:08.680 know how green I really was. But like less than 1886 01:56:08.720 --> 01:56:10.439 a month of the business, they put me in there 1887 01:56:10.560 --> 01:56:14.079 with Gene Kaninski who was a former world champion, and 1888 01:56:14.159 --> 01:56:19.680 we were we were working in uh oh gosh, where 1889 01:56:19.720 --> 01:56:22.439 were we at? Anyway, we were working somewhere in port 1890 01:56:22.560 --> 01:56:25.520 up there in the Washington state, No Seattle where it was. 1891 01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:29.399 I remember he did the spot and he picked me 1892 01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:31.000 up and dropped me behind him, and he told me 1893 01:56:31.079 --> 01:56:32.760 to push him in the roads to do a row up. 1894 01:56:33.399 --> 01:56:35.840 Well I didn't know what a row up was. I mean, 1895 01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:38.199 I didn't know all the lingo, all the terminology in 1896 01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:41.159 the spots. He dropped me behind him because I didn't 1897 01:56:41.159 --> 01:56:42.960 know what to do. I'm bullied him back, superlex him 1898 01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:45.479 on his head and I remember he after the match. 1899 01:56:45.560 --> 01:56:46.800 He got a big kick out of that because he 1900 01:56:46.880 --> 01:56:49.039 was a bigger, rough, tough guy and he thought I 1901 01:56:49.119 --> 01:56:51.560 was pretty salty to Uh, you know, I've done that 1902 01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:54.880 to him. So, you know, all the guys were really helpful. 1903 01:56:54.920 --> 01:56:58.720 They're really good natured. I mean they saw my desire, 1904 01:56:59.399 --> 01:57:01.760 and uh, I got to put in a lot of 1905 01:57:01.840 --> 01:57:03.960 rig time. I was only there for six months, but 1906 01:57:04.039 --> 01:57:06.680 I was brought some seven days a week, and uh, 1907 01:57:07.159 --> 01:57:09.479 you know, if you're gonna I had more rig time 1908 01:57:09.680 --> 01:57:11.880 in the first my first six months of the business 1909 01:57:12.399 --> 01:57:14.800 than these four kids breaking into the indies will in 1910 01:57:14.960 --> 01:57:16.159 you know, probably six years. 1911 01:57:18.399 --> 01:57:20.439 Talking with a magnum Ta who's going to be at 1912 01:57:20.479 --> 01:57:24.000 the nw A fan fest this weekend in Charlotte. You 1913 01:57:24.039 --> 01:57:26.079 can go to n w A Legends dot com. He's 1914 01:57:26.119 --> 01:57:28.920 going to be interviewing, inducting his mentor, Dusty Rhodes. Will 1915 01:57:28.920 --> 01:57:31.479 talk about that coming up here just a couple of minutes. 1916 01:57:31.560 --> 01:57:33.520 But first let's let's go to the phones. Let's go 1917 01:57:33.560 --> 01:57:37.439 to Brian from Phoenix. Brian, you got some questions VIP member, 1918 01:57:37.479 --> 01:57:39.119 you got some questions for magnum t A. 1919 01:57:40.680 --> 01:57:42.199 Good morning, m Good morning. 1920 01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:47.560 Morn A Magnimum fan of yours. However, I grew up 1921 01:57:47.560 --> 01:57:51.640 in Detroit, uh, and I didn't Detroit didn't the cable 1922 01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:56.319 until really nineteen eighty, late summer for eight light for 1923 01:57:56.479 --> 01:57:59.760 me eighty, so I didn't see your career real time unfortunately, 1924 01:58:00.119 --> 01:58:04.760 you know, like DVD's two things, But that makes sense. 1925 01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:09.039 Hey, Brian, you're bleaking up a little bit of my end. 1926 01:58:10.760 --> 01:58:12.880 Okay, I'll try to move around. 1927 01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:13.000 A little bit. 1928 01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:16.680 And I'm looking right now, Okay, thank you. I'm looking 1929 01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:19.000 at the Legends of Missouf Wrestling DVD set that I 1930 01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:22.000 got from w w E, and I really enjoyed, uh 1931 01:58:22.239 --> 01:58:24.319 your mattresson here. But the question I want to ask about, 1932 01:58:24.359 --> 01:58:29.479 Magnum is about the the build up for your match 1933 01:58:29.560 --> 01:58:31.720 with Mister Wrestling too. Can you talk a little bit 1934 01:58:31.760 --> 01:58:35.960 about the segment where you were out at the farm 1935 01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:38.000 and you and Jim Ross and mister Wrestling who were 1936 01:58:38.039 --> 01:58:40.800 working out were actually as Jim wasn't working out, you 1937 01:58:40.840 --> 01:58:42.800 and Mister Wrestling were working out and Jim they're filming 1938 01:58:42.840 --> 01:58:45.880 and interviewing everything. He talked about filming that and building 1939 01:58:45.920 --> 01:58:49.319 all that part up of the of that few clicks. 1940 01:58:50.760 --> 01:58:53.920 Well, yeah, it was, uh, it was to be To 1941 01:58:54.079 --> 01:58:57.239 be fair, I was really the only one working out 1942 01:58:57.920 --> 01:59:00.800 two was like, that's what was kind of touching me. 1943 01:59:01.319 --> 01:59:03.159 And they were having me do all these things that 1944 01:59:03.239 --> 01:59:06.720 I was doing, take after take after take, and and 1945 01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:09.920 it was, uh, it was it was really interesting, uh 1946 01:59:10.199 --> 01:59:14.119 because the one thing I remember the whole thing was 1947 01:59:14.640 --> 01:59:17.560 they got me what did they wanted to fill me 1948 01:59:17.960 --> 01:59:22.119 running and running up to where they were at, uh, 1949 01:59:22.319 --> 01:59:25.560 and then conclude with a little little interview or something afterwards. 1950 01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:28.800 And if you don't think that's a hard thing to 1951 01:59:28.880 --> 01:59:32.399 do to do, m keen wind sprints to to get 1952 01:59:32.560 --> 01:59:34.680 you know, get up to a place where they want 1953 01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:37.199 to do a take talking about being blown up. That 1954 01:59:37.399 --> 01:59:40.680 was that was really an interesting thing. But it was 1955 01:59:40.920 --> 01:59:44.119 it was a great program that we worked And uh, 1956 01:59:44.840 --> 01:59:47.760 you know, my heat's off Jolly Walker because he he 1957 01:59:47.880 --> 01:59:50.159 ends up turning heel and he's been a baby basit 1958 01:59:50.199 --> 01:59:53.479 in entire career and you know when he finally got it, 1959 01:59:53.560 --> 01:59:55.199 he really ended up being a good heel. 1960 01:59:58.560 --> 02:00:01.279 And those those That's a great question, Brian, because in 1961 02:00:01.319 --> 02:00:04.079 those vignettes, Magnum, you are a long ways away in 1962 02:00:04.159 --> 02:00:07.119 the background and we watch you run the whole way. 1963 02:00:07.199 --> 02:00:09.520 It's not like you're off camera and then suddenly come, 1964 02:00:10.079 --> 02:00:12.199 you know, strutting up from off camera. You are a 1965 02:00:12.520 --> 02:00:15.479 long ways back. Mary, it is. It did look tiring. 1966 02:00:15.520 --> 02:00:17.760 I mean you looked legitimately tired. And I don't think 1967 02:00:17.760 --> 02:00:18.239 I blame you. 1968 02:00:19.680 --> 02:00:22.079 Uh you know, I was a really good shape. But 1969 02:00:22.239 --> 02:00:26.119 the things that they were we were doing and doing 1970 02:00:26.279 --> 02:00:29.359 multiple takes, uh yeah, I mean it was something that 1971 02:00:29.640 --> 02:00:33.119 uh yeah, I wasn't mentally prepared for exactly what we 1972 02:00:33.199 --> 02:00:35.159 were out there to do. But again, back then, if 1973 02:00:35.199 --> 02:00:36.960 they said go do it, you know, I just said 1974 02:00:36.960 --> 02:00:39.720 where and win and and you know, go get it done. 1975 02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:41.119 And that's that's what we did. 1976 02:00:44.199 --> 02:00:47.560 Anything else, Briand Yeah, the last question I have for you, macdum, 1977 02:00:47.560 --> 02:00:50.079 I'm not sure how much you follow uh today's wrestling. 1978 02:00:50.079 --> 02:00:53.319 I know you at least watched Testa Blanchers matches. But 1979 02:00:54.039 --> 02:00:57.119 so the million Dollars kneelest that mister wrestling who is 1980 02:00:57.159 --> 02:00:59.439 trying to teach you again? I love that name, million 1981 02:00:59.479 --> 02:01:01.840 Dollar Dalist. Can you you think that's something that could 1982 02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:04.119 be brought back to the current wrestling or is that 1983 02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:07.479 just a little too eighties? Is early eighties wrestling? 1984 02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:11.199 Well, you know, anything can be brought back. It be 1985 02:01:11.239 --> 02:01:14.319 how it'd be depending on how people sold it. You know, 1986 02:01:14.840 --> 02:01:18.600 if somebody, uh, if somebody did it and everybody was 1987 02:01:18.800 --> 02:01:21.439 you know, selling like they'd been hit by a freight train, 1988 02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:25.279 then yeah, you know, I mean the coal stole, the 1989 02:01:25.399 --> 02:01:30.039 stone cold cutter and uh, you know the records and 1990 02:01:30.119 --> 02:01:32.800 things that you know guys did, none of it would 1991 02:01:32.800 --> 02:01:36.279 amounted to an LB's that the people didn't sell belly 1992 02:01:36.359 --> 02:01:38.760 suit plants that I used. You know, there's there's so 1993 02:01:38.840 --> 02:01:41.399 many people used for a high spot. They could all 1994 02:01:41.520 --> 02:01:43.159 use it for a high spot. But if I do 1995 02:01:43.279 --> 02:01:45.239 it and the people didn't get up and they got ten, 1996 02:01:46.039 --> 02:01:48.880 then it made a difference. So you know, it's all 1997 02:01:48.960 --> 02:01:52.399 about you know, perception and and how the guys around 1998 02:01:52.520 --> 02:01:55.079 you put over what you're doing. You could, you know, 1999 02:01:55.119 --> 02:01:57.760 I mean, you can make anything exciting. It's just been 2000 02:01:57.800 --> 02:01:58.520 on how you're working. 2001 02:02:01.079 --> 02:02:04.359 Great again, gentlemen on Magnama. Hope people have a real 2002 02:02:04.439 --> 02:02:05.880 good weekend. Thanks a lot, Jeff for put me on 2003 02:02:05.960 --> 02:02:07.960 and macnam was great talking to you, and have a 2004 02:02:08.000 --> 02:02:08.479 real good day. 2005 02:02:08.520 --> 02:02:15.359 Gelements, there's Brian v Ip you member from Phoenix dialing 2006 02:02:15.439 --> 02:02:18.680 up at six four six eight. You know that's interesting 2007 02:02:18.760 --> 02:02:21.279 you bring up the belly to belly because I guess 2008 02:02:21.319 --> 02:02:23.239 Shane Douglass used it a few years ago, but it 2009 02:02:23.359 --> 02:02:26.520 was like a standing belly to belly. I never understood 2010 02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:29.520 why no one did the whipping the ropes and then 2011 02:02:29.560 --> 02:02:31.479 the belly to belly like you did. That seemed like 2012 02:02:31.560 --> 02:02:33.880 a like a move that you could do out of 2013 02:02:34.399 --> 02:02:36.920 it seemed to have I guess, all of the criteria 2014 02:02:37.039 --> 02:02:39.760 you want for an exciting finish. It can come out 2015 02:02:39.800 --> 02:02:44.000 of nowhere, it can be decisive. Is that move particularly 2016 02:02:44.079 --> 02:02:46.279 difficult when it's whipped off the ropes because it doesn't 2017 02:02:46.279 --> 02:02:48.720 seem like a lot of people picked it up? Uh 2018 02:02:48.840 --> 02:02:49.680 after your career? 2019 02:02:51.159 --> 02:02:52.000 Yeah, I don't. 2020 02:02:52.479 --> 02:02:54.720 I mean to me, it was a very natural thing 2021 02:02:55.119 --> 02:02:55.680 uh to do. 2022 02:02:56.239 --> 02:02:56.359 Uh. 2023 02:02:57.359 --> 02:03:01.079 And I actually did it to somebody in the ring 2024 02:03:01.159 --> 02:03:03.000 when I was a rooky and I was breaking in 2025 02:03:03.239 --> 02:03:06.920 and I had a guy that was greener than I 2026 02:03:07.199 --> 02:03:10.119 was and didn't really know what he was doing in 2027 02:03:10.199 --> 02:03:13.199 the ring, and I got so frustrated with him. I 2028 02:03:13.239 --> 02:03:16.000 couldn't you get him to do anything that I just 2029 02:03:16.119 --> 02:03:19.119 grabbed him and ended up suit budging him like right 2030 02:03:19.159 --> 02:03:22.560 out of his boots. And I realized that I had 2031 02:03:23.720 --> 02:03:27.319 That's where my strength center was my lower back and 2032 02:03:27.439 --> 02:03:31.079 my pulling ability and my wrestling. That ground just gave me, 2033 02:03:31.840 --> 02:03:34.239 gave me the ability to do that move to anybody, 2034 02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:36.680 whether they wanted to go, didn't want to go, didn't matter. 2035 02:03:37.199 --> 02:03:38.680 I could do it. So I kind of put that 2036 02:03:38.840 --> 02:03:42.000 in my mind, and you know, for the future, I 2037 02:03:42.159 --> 02:03:44.800 used that for a finish because basically, you're finished. You've 2038 02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:47.760 got to be an execute on anybody at any time, anywhere. 2039 02:03:48.520 --> 02:03:51.159 And I knew that that was something I could do. Anybody, 2040 02:03:51.239 --> 02:03:53.840 whether they were you know, two hundred pounds or three 2041 02:03:53.920 --> 02:03:56.279 hundred and fifty pounds, I could still do it. So, 2042 02:03:57.079 --> 02:03:59.199 you know, for me, it just came natural. I don't 2043 02:03:59.239 --> 02:04:02.279 I don't know whether I remember one time Dustie and 2044 02:04:02.359 --> 02:04:05.560 I when we were wrestling America, see we I think 2045 02:04:05.600 --> 02:04:07.760 it was with the Multi Brothers or something. We threw 2046 02:04:07.840 --> 02:04:09.279 them both in the ropes and we gave him a 2047 02:04:09.359 --> 02:04:11.920 double Donny de Belly off the ropes and Dustie never 2048 02:04:12.000 --> 02:04:14.039 done it before his life, and you know, it wasn't 2049 02:04:14.039 --> 02:04:15.840 any big deal. He just you know, he did it. 2050 02:04:16.399 --> 02:04:18.720 So you know, I don't think it's not hard. I 2051 02:04:18.800 --> 02:04:22.159 think it's just a matter of you know, in God's minds, 2052 02:04:22.199 --> 02:04:25.199 it's not, you know, exciting enough. They're trying to always 2053 02:04:25.239 --> 02:04:27.199 come up with something you know they don't think somebody 2054 02:04:27.239 --> 02:04:30.840 has seen before, or something with that next level of excitement. 2055 02:04:31.000 --> 02:04:33.840 So maybe for that reason it's kind of god overlooked. 2056 02:04:37.039 --> 02:04:40.039 Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts, 2057 02:04:40.319 --> 02:04:43.439 will come join me Alan farrel Over in the Progress 2058 02:04:43.520 --> 02:04:46.960 Paradise at penoge Torch VP as we mask on the 2059 02:04:47.119 --> 02:04:49.720 bright side of wrestling and focus on some of the 2060 02:04:49.840 --> 02:04:52.720 great matches and shows from around the world, be it 2061 02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:57.239 the US, Japan, Europe or Mexico. 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Detailed PW Torch 2069 02:05:19.199 --> 02:05:22.520 VIP subscription information and a list of all the VIP 2070 02:05:22.720 --> 02:05:26.479 benefits is available at pterbrew Torch vip info dot com. 2071 02:05:26.880 --> 02:05:30.960 And yes, all VIP podcasts are compatible with popular podcast 2072 02:05:31.039 --> 02:05:34.560 apps on iPhone and Android devices, or you can stream 2073 02:05:34.600 --> 02:05:38.319 them directly from our ad free VIP mobile site. See 2074 02:05:38.319 --> 02:05:39.600 you in the Paradise. 2075 02:05:42.960 --> 02:05:46.079 Now speaking, I want to touch on the knee lift 2076 02:05:46.119 --> 02:05:48.199 of Mister Wrestling number two. I think I just got 2077 02:05:48.279 --> 02:05:51.920 done rereading Jim Duggan's book where he talks about the 2078 02:05:52.000 --> 02:05:54.680 worst thing about was it the knee with mister Wrestling too? 2079 02:05:55.079 --> 02:05:57.079 It was that slap on the back that's stung? 2080 02:05:58.640 --> 02:06:00.840 Oh yeah, because I was just sound effect, you know, 2081 02:06:00.880 --> 02:06:03.800 he make it. He hit you at the back too 2082 02:06:04.000 --> 02:06:06.479 with with the you know, big smack to make it 2083 02:06:06.600 --> 02:06:08.720 sound like that Need was hitting he that hard in 2084 02:06:08.800 --> 02:06:11.920 the chest. And that's where the you know, the panel 2085 02:06:12.039 --> 02:06:16.039 was coming from. So yeah, absolutely, uh godn't remember. 2086 02:06:16.680 --> 02:06:16.800 Uh. 2087 02:06:17.159 --> 02:06:19.960 I mean, obviously I took it to Need for everyone 2088 02:06:20.000 --> 02:06:23.840 I worked with him as we turned heel, But you know, frankly, 2089 02:06:24.680 --> 02:06:26.239 compared to some of the other things we did in 2090 02:06:26.279 --> 02:06:27.359 the rank, that was kind of my. 2091 02:06:27.479 --> 02:06:32.319 Huge So after after Portland, did you go to Florida? 2092 02:06:32.479 --> 02:06:32.960 Is that where you went? 2093 02:06:34.560 --> 02:06:38.520 I went from Portland to San Antonio for Jim Blanchard 2094 02:06:39.239 --> 02:06:42.760 and I worked there for six months and still as 2095 02:06:42.800 --> 02:06:43.239 a rookie. 2096 02:06:43.880 --> 02:06:44.000 Uh. 2097 02:06:44.800 --> 02:06:48.079 Ray Fernandez uh came in about the same time I did, 2098 02:06:48.159 --> 02:06:52.800 and he and I trained together for for two three months. 2099 02:06:53.399 --> 02:06:56.680 Uh in the gym, I was there and uh he 2100 02:06:56.960 --> 02:06:58.920 he was, of course, you know, one of the young 2101 02:06:59.119 --> 02:07:03.039 young uppers coming slight myself and uh and while I 2102 02:07:03.239 --> 02:07:10.359 was there, Mike Graham came to saying, come to Russell something. 2103 02:07:10.479 --> 02:07:13.680 The jug bols everyway handing chip or something, and him 2104 02:07:13.720 --> 02:07:17.640 and I struck him a friendship just in this natural camaraderie, 2105 02:07:18.159 --> 02:07:19.960 and he went on and told his dad about me. 2106 02:07:20.000 --> 02:07:21.760 The next thing I knew, he called me up asked 2107 02:07:21.800 --> 02:07:25.640 if I wanted to come to Florida. And so after 2108 02:07:25.760 --> 02:07:27.680 my first year of the business, I made my way 2109 02:07:27.720 --> 02:07:30.479 to Tampa and uh then I spent a year and 2110 02:07:30.479 --> 02:07:31.640 a half in Florida. 2111 02:07:34.479 --> 02:07:35.640 And is that where you met Dusty? 2112 02:07:37.079 --> 02:07:37.279 Yes. 2113 02:07:37.479 --> 02:07:40.760 When I first came there, Dorry Funk Junior was the booker, 2114 02:07:41.520 --> 02:07:44.960 and so I think for about that first six months 2115 02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:48.840 Dorry was booking and then uh, he he left and 2116 02:07:49.000 --> 02:07:53.079 Dusty came in and he and I met, and within 2117 02:07:53.199 --> 02:07:55.760 amount a week or two I got and spent some 2118 02:07:55.880 --> 02:07:58.239 quality time together. Found out we had a lot of 2119 02:07:58.720 --> 02:08:02.319 common interests and just talking a lot of things in life. 2120 02:08:03.079 --> 02:08:06.920 Uh yeah, struck up a friendship, the loss of the lifetime. 2121 02:08:09.479 --> 02:08:11.880 We're talking with Magnum t A and he's going to 2122 02:08:11.920 --> 02:08:15.600 be inducting his mentor and friend, Dusty Rhodes into the 2123 02:08:15.760 --> 02:08:19.039 nw A Legends Hall of Heroes this weekend at the 2124 02:08:19.119 --> 02:08:21.479 Charlotte FanFest. You can go to n w A Legends 2125 02:08:21.520 --> 02:08:24.840 dot com and get get some more information. Let's take 2126 02:08:24.840 --> 02:08:26.840 another phone call from Magnum t A. Let's go to 2127 02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:29.239 A seven seven three, seven seven three. You're on the 2128 02:08:29.279 --> 02:08:31.640 live cast with Jim Vallely. Who's this and where you 2129 02:08:31.720 --> 02:08:32.119 calling from? 2130 02:08:33.199 --> 02:08:35.439 Bors from Chicago Orris? 2131 02:08:35.439 --> 02:08:38.159 What do you got for Magnum Magnum? 2132 02:08:38.800 --> 02:08:38.960 Hey? 2133 02:08:39.039 --> 02:08:39.119 Ji? 2134 02:08:40.159 --> 02:08:42.000 My first question because I think you're gonna hit on 2135 02:08:42.439 --> 02:08:45.960 what if Magnum didn't have this accident and how how 2136 02:08:46.039 --> 02:08:48.319 his impact was you know, being in the industry at 2137 02:08:48.680 --> 02:08:52.119 any time would have changed. I think you're gonna cover that, right, Yeah, 2138 02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:55.239 we can talk about Well I had the same thought, 2139 02:08:55.279 --> 02:08:57.359 but since you go, I can go to something else 2140 02:08:57.399 --> 02:09:01.319 and y'ah, you know, talk about that. My thing says 2141 02:09:01.359 --> 02:09:03.600 he's inducting Dusty Rose. 2142 02:09:03.920 --> 02:09:04.359 What do you think? 2143 02:09:04.520 --> 02:09:06.319 My first question is what do you think about Cody 2144 02:09:06.399 --> 02:09:10.119 Roles having to lead the biggest company, wrestling company to actually, 2145 02:09:11.880 --> 02:09:16.359 so to speak, be himself, actually be a wrestler. 2146 02:09:17.079 --> 02:09:17.800 That's my first quo. 2147 02:09:18.840 --> 02:09:21.119 You know, everything in the business is a journey. 2148 02:09:21.640 --> 02:09:21.760 Uh. 2149 02:09:22.359 --> 02:09:25.520 I think you know, Cody, you know, wants to find 2150 02:09:25.600 --> 02:09:28.520 himself back into the you know, the Cody Rhoades character 2151 02:09:28.720 --> 02:09:32.039 and be himself. And you know, there's a you know, 2152 02:09:32.119 --> 02:09:34.680 there's a writing staff and a group there the w W. 2153 02:09:35.319 --> 02:09:38.279 You know, he's creating so many things and so much stuff. 2154 02:09:38.680 --> 02:09:40.800 But I don't know exactly. You know, I haven't talked 2155 02:09:40.840 --> 02:09:43.039 with him about it. I thought with this Bob and Michelle, 2156 02:09:44.279 --> 02:09:47.600 but yeah, I know he wanted to go experiment and 2157 02:09:47.720 --> 02:09:50.199 do some other things that you know, I wouldn't rule 2158 02:09:50.239 --> 02:09:52.399 out the fact that Cody might not be back one day. 2159 02:09:53.319 --> 02:09:56.319 I think if he goes out and uh, you know, 2160 02:09:56.640 --> 02:09:59.600 proves what he can do, uh, you know, working his 2161 02:09:59.720 --> 02:10:04.159 Cody Rose and get big enough uh following and people 2162 02:10:04.199 --> 02:10:09.680 out there supporting, uh supporting that that he could uh 2163 02:10:09.840 --> 02:10:11.880 you know, bring that character back to the w W 2164 02:10:12.119 --> 02:10:14.079 at some point in time. He's still a very young man. 2165 02:10:14.560 --> 02:10:17.039 He got the whole world in front of him, but uh, 2166 02:10:17.119 --> 02:10:19.479 you know, timing is everything, so they just weren't ready 2167 02:10:19.520 --> 02:10:22.840 for that day right now. And uh I respect his 2168 02:10:23.000 --> 02:10:26.800 decision to uh, you know, go do what he wants 2169 02:10:26.840 --> 02:10:30.199 to do, go be his own man. And uh so, 2170 02:10:30.560 --> 02:10:34.840 you know, I'm watching that situation closely because I mean, 2171 02:10:34.880 --> 02:10:37.159 he's he's a special guy in my life. He's my 2172 02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:42.039 he's my godson. And uh though we you know, we 2173 02:10:42.199 --> 02:10:45.000 weren't close as he was growing up because you know, 2174 02:10:45.159 --> 02:10:49.640 obviously life the things I've had dealt to me changed 2175 02:10:49.720 --> 02:10:53.600 my path and being geographically at different places, you know, 2176 02:10:53.640 --> 02:10:56.399 I very much have a you know, a tie to 2177 02:10:56.520 --> 02:10:58.039 him because of his dad. 2178 02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:04.199 Excellent. 2179 02:11:06.279 --> 02:11:10.359 The other second question is sure, uh hey, he nailed 2180 02:11:10.399 --> 02:11:10.720 it for me. 2181 02:11:11.000 --> 02:11:13.640 And my second question is the women's wrestling. 2182 02:11:13.640 --> 02:11:15.880 What do you think about what do you think about 2183 02:11:16.079 --> 02:11:22.439 Charlotte Charlotte the Sasha Banks is actually how they're coming 2184 02:11:22.479 --> 02:11:25.640 into the business and and actually we're getting back to 2185 02:11:26.399 --> 02:11:29.840 the women's professional wrestling and finally getting out the divas 2186 02:11:29.880 --> 02:11:32.640 era and getting back into you know, and it's taken 2187 02:11:32.680 --> 02:11:34.680 and it took him to It took us the time 2188 02:11:34.840 --> 02:11:39.720 of a Charlotte rich player's daughter and a few others, 2189 02:11:39.800 --> 02:11:43.119 which is surprising to you know, come up through n 2190 02:11:43.199 --> 02:11:47.119 XT and and get us back to women's wrestling. 2191 02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:53.680 Well, I applauded the movement because there's tremendous female athletes 2192 02:11:53.720 --> 02:11:57.119 out there in the world that can represent women's rights 2193 02:11:57.319 --> 02:12:01.760 like the way it deserves to be represented. And certainly, uh, 2194 02:12:01.960 --> 02:12:07.239 you know, you know Ashley Charlotte Rick's daughter, Uh, she 2195 02:12:07.439 --> 02:12:10.239 is a world class athlete in and of itself. She's 2196 02:12:10.680 --> 02:12:13.239 paint her dues and on the roads, and you know 2197 02:12:13.399 --> 02:12:16.319 she she worked at at NXT for so long that 2198 02:12:16.520 --> 02:12:19.159 Dusty was a big part of coaching her, developing her 2199 02:12:19.720 --> 02:12:22.840 her persona and her ability to speak all the mic. 2200 02:12:22.960 --> 02:12:26.439 And she's got the uh, you know, she's gotten all 2201 02:12:26.479 --> 02:12:29.039 the right stuff in the ring. Johnson Banks does too. 2202 02:12:29.159 --> 02:12:32.640 Sasha Banks, you know, honestly, Uh is one of is 2203 02:12:32.840 --> 02:12:37.319 just an absolutely incredible worker. And uh she doesn't have 2204 02:12:37.439 --> 02:12:40.520 the size of the stature that it actually has, but 2205 02:12:40.840 --> 02:12:43.479 she's got all the right stuff to be the champion. 2206 02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:46.239 And uh, you got to mix it up. There's got 2207 02:12:46.359 --> 02:12:50.840 you know, one person can't just dominate all the time. 2208 02:12:50.960 --> 02:12:54.079 It's gotten to be knocking forth in a challenge and 2209 02:12:54.159 --> 02:12:56.920 a picture painted that there's a contest going on with 2210 02:12:57.079 --> 02:12:59.239 somebody trying to take the tunnel, because if you don't 2211 02:12:59.279 --> 02:13:02.680 think there's a possibility of that happening at some point 2212 02:13:02.680 --> 02:13:06.640 in time, you're gonna lose you some fans. So you know, 2213 02:13:07.600 --> 02:13:10.800 they're both young in their careers, and I think we're 2214 02:13:10.800 --> 02:13:14.920 gonna see incredible matches and I think Nashville could continue 2215 02:13:14.960 --> 02:13:18.039 to grow as a competitor. I can imagine you know, 2216 02:13:18.399 --> 02:13:21.680 Page getting back in there. Uh, you know how good 2217 02:13:21.680 --> 02:13:23.560 a worker she is. I mean, there's this there's some 2218 02:13:23.680 --> 02:13:26.560 real depth of that women's division and fact that it's 2219 02:13:26.600 --> 02:13:30.199 really competitive because there's not as many opportunities and spots 2220 02:13:30.239 --> 02:13:32.920 for women all the wister as there are the best. 2221 02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:37.720 Excellent. 2222 02:13:37.960 --> 02:13:42.920 I really enjoyed your answers. My last, my last, My 2223 02:13:43.039 --> 02:13:47.520 last thing is the moves, which you guys are pretty 2224 02:13:47.560 --> 02:13:50.840 much hit on it. How you know your belly belly 2225 02:13:50.960 --> 02:13:54.520 was effective as it was and actually see I think Bailey, 2226 02:13:54.800 --> 02:13:58.560 which is another popular woman wrestler, I think she was 2227 02:13:58.680 --> 02:14:01.119 using the bell of the back for a finisher, which 2228 02:14:01.199 --> 02:14:04.159 is awesome, you know to see. Uh, And that's the 2229 02:14:04.199 --> 02:14:06.720 first thing I thought about was you, because I know 2230 02:14:06.880 --> 02:14:09.479 you're the only person that I watched, you know, in 2231 02:14:09.520 --> 02:14:12.560 my history to watch the wrestler that took that movement 2232 02:14:12.600 --> 02:14:14.439 and not it wasn't a spot move, you know, for 2233 02:14:14.560 --> 02:14:16.680 the next move, for the next move, but actually was 2234 02:14:16.720 --> 02:14:17.239 a finisher. 2235 02:14:17.319 --> 02:14:20.039 And to see her which is a woman's wrestler with. 2236 02:14:20.119 --> 02:14:22.520 You know, like I said, we haven't we hadn't got 2237 02:14:22.880 --> 02:14:25.640 that many women at the time, to see her executed too. 2238 02:14:26.000 --> 02:14:28.680 The first flashback I had was you and I think 2239 02:14:28.760 --> 02:14:31.000 that was awesome and I want My question was to 2240 02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:33.560 that is, what do you think of how like you said, 2241 02:14:33.840 --> 02:14:36.479 simple moves is not working anymore because they use you know, 2242 02:14:36.560 --> 02:14:38.720 you had to take the DDT used to be a finisher, 2243 02:14:39.119 --> 02:14:41.520 it's not now, and you think it's wrong that they 2244 02:14:41.840 --> 02:14:45.520 don't turn into it takes ten moves ten finishers to 2245 02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:47.960 take out somebody or this is where it had to 2246 02:14:48.039 --> 02:14:50.079 evolve to or can we go back to, you know, 2247 02:14:50.159 --> 02:14:52.600 where you had to actually use brass nuskles to cheat 2248 02:14:52.680 --> 02:14:53.199 or something like that. 2249 02:14:53.319 --> 02:14:56.159 You know, the simple form, the basics, that's what you know. 2250 02:14:57.000 --> 02:15:00.399 Honestly, doctor, wiggle my nerves and you know, be twenty 2251 02:15:00.479 --> 02:15:02.880 seven in the shape I was in, uh you know 2252 02:15:02.960 --> 02:15:05.239 back in nineteen eighty six, and I had the opportunity 2253 02:15:05.359 --> 02:15:10.319 today it would be it would be like stealing candy 2254 02:15:10.359 --> 02:15:15.000 from a baby because they've done so much that somebody 2255 02:15:15.119 --> 02:15:19.640 that came in today that did something that is completely 2256 02:15:20.479 --> 02:15:24.079 was sold and put over like a you know, instead 2257 02:15:24.119 --> 02:15:26.680 of the like you said, fifteen tennis booths that they 2258 02:15:26.760 --> 02:15:29.199 kick out just to get a pot. But if somebody 2259 02:15:29.399 --> 02:15:32.800 came out today that was you know, still did exciting 2260 02:15:32.880 --> 02:15:35.920 things that had one you know, one thing in their 2261 02:15:36.039 --> 02:15:40.000 arsenal that it was over game set point that you 2262 02:15:40.119 --> 02:15:43.640 could get over like a million bucks. And you know, 2263 02:15:44.479 --> 02:15:47.359 to me, it's wide open for a you know, for 2264 02:15:47.479 --> 02:15:51.760 a character for somebody who's that serious. They can't you know, 2265 02:15:52.079 --> 02:15:55.840 just you bring it all. Uh, you know, you could, 2266 02:15:56.119 --> 02:15:58.199 you know, the Scott could be the limit for what 2267 02:15:58.319 --> 02:15:59.119 you could accomplish. 2268 02:16:01.399 --> 02:16:03.359 Thanks, Boris, I appreciate the calling it magnum that that 2269 02:16:03.880 --> 02:16:05.399 you bring up an interesting point and one of the 2270 02:16:05.439 --> 02:16:07.560 things I want to talk to you about because after 2271 02:16:07.680 --> 02:16:09.479 your crash, I mean, you were still there so you 2272 02:16:09.600 --> 02:16:13.319 know better than I, but wrestling sort of pivoted and 2273 02:16:13.720 --> 02:16:16.000 with the with the Crockett sale and everything, and and 2274 02:16:16.119 --> 02:16:18.520 people came in who you know and you worked with, 2275 02:16:18.680 --> 02:16:21.079 who didn't seem to really know what you were what 2276 02:16:21.239 --> 02:16:25.239 they were doing, wrestling got really silly as far as 2277 02:16:25.439 --> 02:16:28.159 w c W, I guess in an effort to to 2278 02:16:28.640 --> 02:16:31.039 to to get the kids like w w F did 2279 02:16:31.079 --> 02:16:33.680 at the time. I mean, you know, we we saw 2280 02:16:33.719 --> 02:16:36.360 a lot of a lot of a lot of stupid crap, 2281 02:16:36.399 --> 02:16:38.600 which you what you lived through because you were you 2282 02:16:38.639 --> 02:16:41.639 were backstage through through a lot of this. But where 2283 02:16:41.719 --> 02:16:44.680 do you think that you as a wrestler and a performer, 2284 02:16:44.840 --> 02:16:46.719 had it not been for the crash, where would have 2285 02:16:47.280 --> 02:16:50.399 magnum t a the wrestler have fit in to all 2286 02:16:50.479 --> 02:16:53.040 of that ridiculous crap? Would you have just gone to 2287 02:16:53.280 --> 02:16:55.760 w w F, what how would you fit in with 2288 02:16:55.879 --> 02:17:00.000 all of that, all of just the just the ridiculous. 2289 02:17:01.520 --> 02:17:04.200 Well, I wouldn't have ever fit into the ridiculous as first, 2290 02:17:04.239 --> 02:17:06.360 because you know that just wasn't me. 2291 02:17:07.200 --> 02:17:07.319 Uh. 2292 02:17:07.760 --> 02:17:10.479 The tact of the matter, the tact of the matter is, 2293 02:17:10.600 --> 02:17:13.040 you know, you know, everybody knows, you know, they were 2294 02:17:13.120 --> 02:17:16.760 pushing me like nobody had ever been pushed and the 2295 02:17:16.799 --> 02:17:21.840 World Championship was was a foregone conclusion. But the fact 2296 02:17:21.840 --> 02:17:24.000 of the matter was that I had no I had 2297 02:17:24.040 --> 02:17:28.959 no desire to wrestle thirty years old. Uh, most people 2298 02:17:29.040 --> 02:17:32.879 don't know that I had this huge passion for racing 2299 02:17:33.680 --> 02:17:37.040 and I had the opportunity to drive many parses race 2300 02:17:37.200 --> 02:17:42.159 car at a sharp motor speedway because of Rustling, I 2301 02:17:42.280 --> 02:17:45.760 got to to, uh uh, you know, go out there 2302 02:17:45.840 --> 02:17:48.840 and drive the US to back the car, and I 2303 02:17:49.000 --> 02:17:51.799 really wanted to have a couple of year run with 2304 02:17:53.040 --> 02:17:56.120 with the world title, and I wanted to be seingling 2305 02:17:56.200 --> 02:18:01.399 off into racing, so you know that, you know, all 2306 02:18:01.559 --> 02:18:04.600 the stings and all the things that work to come 2307 02:18:05.079 --> 02:18:08.440 could have still come because I didn't really I didn't 2308 02:18:08.559 --> 02:18:11.440 want to be one of those guys that couldn't couldn't 2309 02:18:11.479 --> 02:18:13.639 find the graceful way out and didn't know when it 2310 02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:15.600 was time to hang it up. I wanted to be 2311 02:18:15.760 --> 02:18:19.280 remembered in my prom at the top of my game, 2312 02:18:19.879 --> 02:18:22.600 being the best I could be. And you know, if 2313 02:18:22.639 --> 02:18:25.879 the money had been just absolutely insane, you know, obviously 2314 02:18:25.959 --> 02:18:27.719 that would have kept me in a little bit longer. 2315 02:18:28.360 --> 02:18:31.959 But uh yeah, driving that race car around Charlotte Hunter 2316 02:18:32.000 --> 02:18:34.799 Speedway at one hundred and ninety miles in Iron was 2317 02:18:35.360 --> 02:18:38.600 the biggest rush I've ever had in my life. You know, 2318 02:18:38.799 --> 02:18:42.079 that was before Jeff Gordon and all that kind of 2319 02:18:42.120 --> 02:18:44.559 good stuff, and there was a big tie in with 2320 02:18:44.719 --> 02:18:48.200 wrestling and racing, and that was somewhere that you know, 2321 02:18:48.319 --> 02:18:49.159 I really wanted to go. 2322 02:18:51.440 --> 02:18:53.920 Rick Flair said a pretty high bar as far as 2323 02:18:54.040 --> 02:18:57.520 championship matches, and we saw a lot of people that 2324 02:18:57.760 --> 02:19:02.760 that that took the title, that couldn't that couldn't maintain 2325 02:19:02.840 --> 02:19:05.360 the fans interest and keep their imagination. How do you 2326 02:19:05.440 --> 02:19:09.280 think you would have pivoted from from magnum Ta US 2327 02:19:09.440 --> 02:19:14.200 champion and world title challenger to magnum Ta defending NWA 2328 02:19:14.479 --> 02:19:18.000 and or WCW World Heavyweight Champion. 2329 02:19:19.239 --> 02:19:21.360 But I think the only glimpse that we can see 2330 02:19:21.440 --> 02:19:24.799 into it, besides just sheer speculation, is to look at 2331 02:19:24.840 --> 02:19:28.479 the program with Nikita and I. Nikita was green as 2332 02:19:28.600 --> 02:19:32.399 the grass on the ground, as strong as anybody you 2333 02:19:32.520 --> 02:19:37.639 ever laid your hants on, and stiff, and Nikita and 2334 02:19:37.719 --> 02:19:40.920 I on many many occasions went out and went thirty 2335 02:19:40.959 --> 02:19:44.360 and forty five minutes and tore the house down. So 2336 02:19:45.520 --> 02:19:49.719 I have to think that if Kenneth had opportunity and 2337 02:19:50.280 --> 02:19:53.040 being able to general the match as a world champion 2338 02:19:53.879 --> 02:19:57.559 does that I probably could have gotten the job done. 2339 02:19:58.639 --> 02:20:01.600 I feel like I was kind of a precursor to 2340 02:20:01.879 --> 02:20:05.600 the Steve Austin type character. And that I wasn't a babyface. 2341 02:20:05.719 --> 02:20:09.360 Babyface wasn't a cutsy little babyface. It was a kind 2342 02:20:09.440 --> 02:20:12.479 that would smack, you know, mob goggle of the mouth 2343 02:20:13.239 --> 02:20:15.879 for saying the wrong thing. And I was kind of 2344 02:20:16.079 --> 02:20:20.079 anti authority, even though I tried to represent values and 2345 02:20:20.200 --> 02:20:24.559 principles and things that were good. So with that said, 2346 02:20:24.680 --> 02:20:27.959 you know, I can't ever see myself, you know, being 2347 02:20:28.040 --> 02:20:31.879 the cowardly heeled type character like Flair could portray and 2348 02:20:32.040 --> 02:20:35.079 do so well. But I think I could have. I 2349 02:20:35.120 --> 02:20:36.319 could have entertained the people. 2350 02:20:37.879 --> 02:20:40.040 And if you well, I guess, I guess by that 2351 02:20:40.200 --> 02:20:43.120 time pretty much he wasn't traveling much, so you wouldn't 2352 02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:45.680 have had to been like a like a subtle heel 2353 02:20:45.760 --> 02:20:47.680 too often, sort of like a maybe like a Jack 2354 02:20:47.760 --> 02:20:48.920 Brisco did at times. 2355 02:20:53.040 --> 02:20:55.840 Yeah, and there I mean, and there were heels out 2356 02:20:55.879 --> 02:20:58.000 there that didn't work like Flair. I mean, look at 2357 02:20:58.079 --> 02:21:01.520 Johnny Valentine. You know, Tony Valentale is about himself. The 2358 02:21:01.600 --> 02:21:03.680 son of a gun. Is you never you don't want 2359 02:21:03.719 --> 02:21:07.479 to see work? And I watched him and Whilie McDaniels 2360 02:21:07.559 --> 02:21:10.200 just beat each other's depths, you know growing up here 2361 02:21:10.239 --> 02:21:13.120 at the Atlantic, so you know you could be a rough, 2362 02:21:13.319 --> 02:21:16.520 rugged heel and not have to be a Cora at WIMP, 2363 02:21:17.399 --> 02:21:19.799 you know heel like you know some people were comfortable 2364 02:21:20.000 --> 02:21:22.399 portraying and still get the job done. 2365 02:21:24.559 --> 02:21:26.440 You know that last segment you're just listening to and 2366 02:21:26.559 --> 02:21:28.600 the next one that you're waiting to listen to, those 2367 02:21:28.719 --> 02:21:31.159 can be one second apart. With a VIP membership, you 2368 02:21:31.159 --> 02:21:34.040 can unlock our commercial free versions of our shows. 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A couple 2383 02:22:17.079 --> 02:22:19.959 of years ago when I went you did a great 2384 02:22:20.319 --> 02:22:22.799 Q and A for the fans with the Tully Blanchard 2385 02:22:23.319 --> 02:22:28.280 talking about your your famous Starcade match, and got an 2386 02:22:28.319 --> 02:22:32.040 email here from from a fan wanting to know it 2387 02:22:32.239 --> 02:22:34.959 was Was that your favorite Starkad match by far? Or 2388 02:22:35.040 --> 02:22:35.719 were there others? 2389 02:22:35.760 --> 02:22:36.280 What did you like? 2390 02:22:38.079 --> 02:22:41.000 Blackway matches is for you know, you gotta be the 2391 02:22:41.079 --> 02:22:44.760 pinnacle as far as performance, because I mean anything that 2392 02:22:44.920 --> 02:22:47.520 can be you know, talked about thirty years after the 2393 02:22:47.600 --> 02:22:50.719 fact in the fashion in which you did, uh. I 2394 02:22:50.760 --> 02:22:55.440 mean I spoke with always with Dave Beltzer last weekend 2395 02:22:55.520 --> 02:22:58.079 at at at Waterloo io on him for the first 2396 02:22:58.159 --> 02:23:02.079 time and he said, you know, you know what kind 2397 02:23:02.120 --> 02:23:06.000 of match did people still talk about, you know today 2398 02:23:06.559 --> 02:23:09.000 thirty years after the fact. They had the kind of 2399 02:23:09.040 --> 02:23:12.360 impact that one still match at And so you know, 2400 02:23:12.559 --> 02:23:16.120 even though demanding times of things that I might have did, 2401 02:23:16.200 --> 02:23:19.360 the ad the one more enjoyable, There's certainly nothing I've 2402 02:23:19.440 --> 02:23:23.239 done is left that kind of long lasting impact. The 2403 02:23:23.319 --> 02:23:28.239 best of seventh series was was uh, you know, was unbelievable, 2404 02:23:28.639 --> 02:23:31.360 but won't for one single match to stand out like 2405 02:23:31.479 --> 02:23:31.760 it did. 2406 02:23:32.360 --> 02:23:32.479 Uh. 2407 02:23:32.600 --> 02:23:35.319 Yeah, that's certainly got to be the highlight reel for me. 2408 02:23:36.959 --> 02:23:38.879 And sure it seems like every few years people do 2409 02:23:39.040 --> 02:23:41.040 dust off a best of seven or a best of 2410 02:23:41.159 --> 02:23:44.159 something series, So yeah, that is quite a quite a legacy. 2411 02:23:44.200 --> 02:23:47.399 We got another question here from Matt from Washington State. 2412 02:23:47.440 --> 02:23:50.120 He wants to know did you ever wrestle outside of 2413 02:23:50.159 --> 02:23:50.600 the US? 2414 02:23:55.079 --> 02:23:57.239 Got outside? No, I really didn't. 2415 02:23:57.520 --> 02:23:57.639 Uh. 2416 02:23:59.159 --> 02:24:04.079 I worked with Joe Blanchard, we went over into Mexico 2417 02:24:04.239 --> 02:24:08.440 I think one time, and Russell at Hawaii, which, of 2418 02:24:08.479 --> 02:24:12.920 course that's still in the United States, even's off the continent. 2419 02:24:13.040 --> 02:24:17.559 But I was scheduled to have dogs at Japan in 2420 02:24:17.760 --> 02:24:21.799 February of eighty eight, seven before you, before the crash affened, 2421 02:24:21.959 --> 02:24:24.639 so that would have been my first opportunity to go out, 2422 02:24:25.120 --> 02:24:26.159 But no, I did not. 2423 02:24:28.120 --> 02:24:29.559 One of the things I learned when I was at 2424 02:24:29.639 --> 02:24:33.120 n W A fan fest, which which is a great story, 2425 02:24:33.159 --> 02:24:37.680 I think, tell everyone the magnum Ta name, tell him 2426 02:24:38.079 --> 02:24:40.559 whose idea was that name? And it's it's a pretty 2427 02:24:40.559 --> 02:24:41.520 great it's pretty amazing. 2428 02:24:41.559 --> 02:24:46.639 I think, well, you know it is I and I 2429 02:24:47.120 --> 02:24:49.319 still I had to laugh about that to this day. 2430 02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:55.520 I had struck up my friendship with Andrea John back 2431 02:24:55.600 --> 02:24:58.200 in my Portland days because I had a great, big 2432 02:24:58.280 --> 02:25:01.799 old ninety eight for to a car. And when he 2433 02:25:01.920 --> 02:25:04.399 came in, as he did back then, to you spent 2434 02:25:04.479 --> 02:25:06.600 a couple of weeks in the territory whoever had the 2435 02:25:06.680 --> 02:25:10.159 biggest car called the Giant around. So we met and 2436 02:25:10.360 --> 02:25:13.040 talked and got to be actually, you know, good friends. 2437 02:25:13.600 --> 02:25:16.920 And then when I was down in Florida, we were traveling. 2438 02:25:17.079 --> 02:25:20.440 We'd been out to some night club something late at night, 2439 02:25:20.520 --> 02:25:23.719 and we're eating breakfast at a place called fat Man's 2440 02:25:23.799 --> 02:25:27.639 Barbecue and down there in Tampa, and he looked across 2441 02:25:27.719 --> 02:25:30.639 the table at me, and and I progressed quite a 2442 02:25:30.719 --> 02:25:33.040 bit since he had first met me when I first 2443 02:25:33.120 --> 02:25:36.440 broke in, and he said, you know, he said, eating 2444 02:25:36.520 --> 02:25:39.239 a handle eating He said, he looked kind of like 2445 02:25:39.360 --> 02:25:42.639 that guy on TV. He said, you should be magnum Ta. 2446 02:25:43.040 --> 02:25:45.920 And he came right out of his mouth, and he 2447 02:25:46.120 --> 02:25:48.959 was going to go back to New York. And then 2448 02:25:49.120 --> 02:25:53.079 Senior was still living and talked to Vince about bringing 2449 02:25:53.159 --> 02:25:57.760 me to New York. Then, and you started starting off 2450 02:25:57.840 --> 02:26:02.120 a career as magnum Ta well before he could get 2451 02:26:02.239 --> 02:26:06.239 that done Ernie Land, who was working with Bill Watts. 2452 02:26:07.079 --> 02:26:10.680 He was in for a TV taping. He saw me, 2453 02:26:11.319 --> 02:26:14.520 and this is when Warren Dorf left Bill it went 2454 02:26:14.559 --> 02:26:16.879 to New York. So it opened up to a spot 2455 02:26:17.559 --> 02:26:22.319 in their roster. So Ernie gave me the call, told 2456 02:26:22.319 --> 02:26:25.920 me the spot was there, asked me if I wanted 2457 02:26:25.959 --> 02:26:28.319 to come. I went there and that's where I lonched 2458 02:26:28.360 --> 02:26:30.879 off the magnum Ta character. 2459 02:26:33.479 --> 02:26:37.760 How do you think magnum Ta would have fit into 2460 02:26:38.200 --> 02:26:40.040 the WWF. 2461 02:26:42.000 --> 02:26:46.280 Frankly, I think it would have been amazing. Vince was 2462 02:26:46.399 --> 02:26:50.799 so creative, especially during that area, Kara. It's so hungry, 2463 02:26:52.440 --> 02:26:56.799 you know, looking for the next big thing that I 2464 02:26:56.959 --> 02:27:02.639 think potentially that combination of he and I could have 2465 02:27:03.600 --> 02:27:09.159 just been dust It would have never happened unless Dusty 2466 02:27:09.239 --> 02:27:12.000 had left too, because my loyalty was to Dusty. It 2467 02:27:12.120 --> 02:27:15.840 wasn't even the m w A. It was Dusty. And uh, 2468 02:27:16.159 --> 02:27:18.319 I mean I left Bill to come to Dusty when 2469 02:27:19.000 --> 02:27:22.280 when the VIDs, you know, Atlantic was on his rear 2470 02:27:22.440 --> 02:27:25.840 end and Mid South was on fire. So you know, 2471 02:27:26.000 --> 02:27:28.559 if Dusty had said, you know, I think it'd be 2472 02:27:29.120 --> 02:27:31.200 you know, if Dusty said, I think it would be 2473 02:27:31.360 --> 02:27:34.920 best for you out of gone, but I would have 2474 02:27:35.440 --> 02:27:38.399 really loved to see what I could have done with 2475 02:27:38.520 --> 02:27:39.959 that kind of machine behind me. 2476 02:27:42.639 --> 02:27:44.559 I was Florida when you were there, was it was 2477 02:27:44.600 --> 02:27:45.600 it starting to taper off. 2478 02:27:47.639 --> 02:27:49.920 It was you know, we were doing decent houses. I mean, 2479 02:27:50.120 --> 02:27:51.719 you know, I was work in the middle of the 2480 02:27:51.760 --> 02:27:54.559 card and making decent money and uh you know it 2481 02:27:54.719 --> 02:27:57.399 was it was a great place to work in. You know, 2482 02:27:57.680 --> 02:28:01.799 the experience, uh get experience with all kinds of season Metrians. 2483 02:28:03.120 --> 02:28:06.559 But as far as you know, as far as business wise, 2484 02:28:06.639 --> 02:28:08.879 I mean, it was nothing compared to what we turned. 2485 02:28:09.040 --> 02:28:11.959 He had been south into where we where we'd got 2486 02:28:12.120 --> 02:28:13.200 that place called all as Far. 2487 02:28:15.479 --> 02:28:17.520 And this was the era where they were they were 2488 02:28:17.559 --> 02:28:20.639 had they had the Global Tag Team Championships. They didn't 2489 02:28:20.639 --> 02:28:23.399 have the US titles of the Florida titles. They were 2490 02:28:23.479 --> 02:28:26.319 kind of transitioning to to the global identity. 2491 02:28:27.399 --> 02:28:31.200 Right and that was a Brad Armstrong and myself myself 2492 02:28:31.280 --> 02:28:34.959 were the Global Tag Team Champions, as were Scott McGee 2493 02:28:35.000 --> 02:28:38.440 and myself, So we both tell those titles and we 2494 02:28:38.559 --> 02:28:42.159 weren't with the U with the Royal Kangaroos. 2495 02:28:43.639 --> 02:28:45.360 That was Was there any heat from the n w 2496 02:28:45.639 --> 02:28:47.879 A for for I mean, essentially you're calling it a 2497 02:28:47.959 --> 02:28:48.600 world title. 2498 02:28:51.000 --> 02:28:54.120 You know, if there was nobody talked about it, Uh, 2499 02:28:54.360 --> 02:28:56.879 you know, it wasn't being talked about at a bi level. 2500 02:28:57.360 --> 02:28:57.479 Uh. 2501 02:28:57.639 --> 02:28:59.879 If you know, Eddie Graham would have been handled all that, 2502 02:29:00.719 --> 02:29:03.879 and he kept things pretty close to the cuff, so uh, 2503 02:29:04.040 --> 02:29:07.520 you know there could have been heat, but whatever expressed us. 2504 02:29:09.040 --> 02:29:11.639 All right, let's go to a six two eight six two. 2505 02:29:11.680 --> 02:29:12.559 You're on the Life cast. 2506 02:29:12.600 --> 02:29:13.200 Who's line? 2507 02:29:13.239 --> 02:29:14.000 Where are you coming from? 2508 02:29:14.600 --> 02:29:15.840 It's Kyler Jim? 2509 02:29:16.000 --> 02:29:16.959 How are you funny? 2510 02:29:17.360 --> 02:29:17.799 Good man? 2511 02:29:17.840 --> 02:29:20.760 What do you got for making ta okay? 2512 02:29:22.799 --> 02:29:26.840 First off, magnimum, it's an honor to talk to you, sir. 2513 02:29:27.600 --> 02:29:35.079 My first question for you is did you ever think 2514 02:29:35.280 --> 02:29:42.159 of going to w w WE at some point before 2515 02:29:42.520 --> 02:29:44.639 your accident happened to you? 2516 02:29:47.159 --> 02:29:47.200 No? 2517 02:29:47.399 --> 02:29:50.000 I never had to play to go on there before 2518 02:29:50.040 --> 02:29:53.239 the accident. I mean, my goal was firmly set on 2519 02:29:53.520 --> 02:29:56.799 I'm coming to the WA world anyway can And of 2520 02:29:56.840 --> 02:30:00.399 course you know that had not happened. U. You know 2521 02:30:00.520 --> 02:30:03.399 idea it was probably about sites if you take place, 2522 02:30:03.959 --> 02:30:07.719 So yeah, the WWE wasn't even an achely gonna find 2523 02:30:08.280 --> 02:30:09.280 in my head back then. 2524 02:30:12.600 --> 02:30:12.840 Hmm. 2525 02:30:13.159 --> 02:30:22.440 Interesting. And my second question is even though you just 2526 02:30:23.680 --> 02:30:33.600 expressed a desire to enter the the stock car racing profession, 2527 02:30:34.959 --> 02:30:42.399 did you ever have any inklings of becoming a producer 2528 02:30:43.040 --> 02:30:49.879 flash wrestling agent, Because in this last hour or so 2529 02:30:50.159 --> 02:30:56.200 of conversation that I've had the privilege of listening to you, 2530 02:30:56.479 --> 02:31:01.520 seem like you would have made an excellent boy. That 2531 02:31:01.959 --> 02:31:07.159 transition in through and all of the career post accidents. 2532 02:31:09.120 --> 02:31:13.280 Well to you know, today, at fifty seven years old, 2533 02:31:14.319 --> 02:31:17.680 I've got a great deal different outlook on it than 2534 02:31:17.760 --> 02:31:21.000 I would have than I did at twenty seven, twenty 2535 02:31:21.040 --> 02:31:24.840 eight years old. It was very difficult coming back after 2536 02:31:24.920 --> 02:31:30.520 the accident and interjecting myself back into the industry when 2537 02:31:30.719 --> 02:31:34.440 I was still so young that you know, by all rights, 2538 02:31:34.559 --> 02:31:38.280 I should have been out there performing, even though I 2539 02:31:38.399 --> 02:31:42.360 had this vast head knowledge because I studied under Dusty 2540 02:31:42.799 --> 02:31:45.719 and Eddie Graham and Bill Wattson. I was such a 2541 02:31:45.799 --> 02:31:49.600 student of the game. It wasn't I wasn't comfortable in 2542 02:31:49.719 --> 02:31:53.799 my own skin working with my contemporaries that I should 2543 02:31:53.840 --> 02:31:57.639 have been out there in the ring performing with trying 2544 02:31:57.760 --> 02:32:01.879 to be you know, directing in and giving guidance and 2545 02:32:02.040 --> 02:32:05.239 doing all those kind of things. So everything because of 2546 02:32:05.680 --> 02:32:08.360 my youth and the time at which you know, this 2547 02:32:08.559 --> 02:32:12.479 untimely accident happened made it made that kind of transition, 2548 02:32:13.079 --> 02:32:17.399 you know, difficult. Uh, you know, if I've been older, absolutely, 2549 02:32:17.559 --> 02:32:21.399 but you know, in today and even in today's time, 2550 02:32:21.920 --> 02:32:24.399 even though I've gotten the head knowledge, I don't have 2551 02:32:25.079 --> 02:32:28.079 the patience to be you know, so tied up and 2552 02:32:28.120 --> 02:32:30.120 away from your family and not being able to do 2553 02:32:30.200 --> 02:32:33.319 the things with my kids that you know, the business 2554 02:32:33.399 --> 02:32:36.440 does to you. Because I'm a dad of seven and 2555 02:32:36.840 --> 02:32:40.760 my youngest are eight years old, boy girl, twins, and 2556 02:32:41.120 --> 02:32:44.879 you know, at this point in my life there's nothing 2557 02:32:44.920 --> 02:32:47.639 more important to me than my family. And when I 2558 02:32:47.719 --> 02:32:50.760 was twenty seven and no kids, you know, I was 2559 02:32:50.840 --> 02:32:53.600 married to the business, in love with what I was doing, 2560 02:32:54.040 --> 02:32:57.520 and had, you know, such high goals and desires to 2561 02:32:57.639 --> 02:33:00.079 be the best in the world. And that's what I 2562 02:33:00.200 --> 02:33:03.719 was committed to. And it takes that kind of commitment 2563 02:33:03.799 --> 02:33:07.879 to me in this you have to sacrifice those other things, 2564 02:33:07.959 --> 02:33:10.719 and I would never you know, as a peture group band, 2565 02:33:10.920 --> 02:33:13.399 you know, want to sacrifice those kind of things for 2566 02:33:13.559 --> 02:33:14.159 a profession. 2567 02:33:14.440 --> 02:33:19.200 Again, we're talking with Magnum here on the p W 2568 02:33:19.319 --> 02:33:23.360 George Live Cast. Magnum. You are the stepfather of Tessa 2569 02:33:23.559 --> 02:33:29.799 Tessa Blanchard. Correct, absolutely, yeah, Now obviously you you she 2570 02:33:29.920 --> 02:33:34.600 grew up around you and you obviously uh did are you? 2571 02:33:34.760 --> 02:33:37.360 Were you surprised when she decided that she wanted to 2572 02:33:37.879 --> 02:33:38.680 enter the profession. 2573 02:33:40.239 --> 02:33:41.000 No, I wasn't. 2574 02:33:41.040 --> 02:33:44.280 Simply for the fact that Tessa has always been intrigued 2575 02:33:44.440 --> 02:33:48.239 with uh, with hacking and me on the stage, being 2576 02:33:48.319 --> 02:33:52.319 in the spotlight. And when she went down to Wrestle Media, 2577 02:33:52.360 --> 02:33:55.079 when they inducted Tully to the Hall of Fame, and 2578 02:33:55.280 --> 02:33:59.040 she saw the biggest show on earth for wrestling and 2579 02:34:00.399 --> 02:34:04.200 excitement and the just all the things surrounded that, and 2580 02:34:04.319 --> 02:34:07.079 she came back with stars in her eyes. I mean, 2581 02:34:07.319 --> 02:34:11.239 just totally intrigued by that whole life, that whole world. 2582 02:34:11.719 --> 02:34:14.479 Because even though she was raised by. 2583 02:34:14.440 --> 02:34:18.120 Me and with her dad, uh, you know all the here, 2584 02:34:18.280 --> 02:34:21.559 we were both out of the game as she grew 2585 02:34:21.719 --> 02:34:24.159 up and was young, so she didn't wasn't around it, 2586 02:34:24.280 --> 02:34:27.799 didn't see us performing, didn't you know, view of it 2587 02:34:27.959 --> 02:34:30.879 and about it, and because people talking to her about 2588 02:34:31.079 --> 02:34:33.799 us and our past, but which she was, you know, 2589 02:34:34.520 --> 02:34:38.280 seeing all that excitement of Russellmedia. Uh, it excited a 2590 02:34:38.440 --> 02:34:42.079 spark in her and she's just you know, dug her 2591 02:34:42.159 --> 02:34:47.360 heels in. She's gotten me that intangible in factor that 2592 02:34:47.479 --> 02:34:50.440 you either have or you don't have. And she's given 2593 02:34:50.479 --> 02:34:55.879 the opportunity to, you know, to perfect her craft, which 2594 02:34:55.959 --> 02:34:59.200 takes just spakes times as your right time, takes lots 2595 02:34:59.239 --> 02:35:01.799 of low some ring and time in the front of 2596 02:35:01.920 --> 02:35:05.000 live audiences. She's gonna be a superstar one day. 2597 02:35:07.000 --> 02:35:09.520 What type of professional advice did you give her? 2598 02:35:11.600 --> 02:35:13.840 Well, I told her to work hard and to you know, 2599 02:35:14.079 --> 02:35:18.120 work hard and listen and to be humble, because you 2600 02:35:18.280 --> 02:35:20.680 can't listen to the accolades of the fans and the 2601 02:35:20.760 --> 02:35:25.000 marks and all the things around you and let it 2602 02:35:25.120 --> 02:35:27.959 get teen. And you've got realized that this is a 2603 02:35:28.079 --> 02:35:31.120 craft that you have to learn. It takes time, and 2604 02:35:31.719 --> 02:35:34.159 no matter how hard and how many workouts you have 2605 02:35:34.280 --> 02:35:37.399 in a ring, it takes time of performing with lots 2606 02:35:37.440 --> 02:35:40.200 of different people, with lots of different styles, and it 2607 02:35:40.360 --> 02:35:43.479 just takes time to perfect that. So I've asked, you know, 2608 02:35:43.799 --> 02:35:46.559 trying to encourage her to be patient, to be diligent, 2609 02:35:46.680 --> 02:35:48.399 to keep working hard to be the best he can 2610 02:35:48.520 --> 02:35:53.440 be every day, and that if she's persistent with that 2611 02:35:53.719 --> 02:35:56.360 and true to herself and what she's doing that she 2612 02:35:56.479 --> 02:35:57.319 can be a success. 2613 02:36:00.399 --> 02:36:01.959 Do you ever watch a WWE and think it. 2614 02:36:02.079 --> 02:36:02.719 Used to be better? 2615 02:36:02.959 --> 02:36:04.840 I don't know, josh Sometimes I think it used to 2616 02:36:04.879 --> 02:36:05.799 be a whole lot worse. 2617 02:36:06.079 --> 02:36:09.239 I mean, whether it's WrestleMania main events, old dudes at 2618 02:36:09.280 --> 02:36:12.440 the top, to many titles, or women's wrestling. 2619 02:36:12.639 --> 02:36:13.280 We're here to. 2620 02:36:13.319 --> 02:36:16.159 Answer the big question, is it worse or better? 2621 02:36:16.319 --> 02:36:16.479 Now? 2622 02:36:17.040 --> 02:36:21.159 Join me Joshua White and me Stephanie Cheese for Worse or. 2623 02:36:21.239 --> 02:36:24.239 Better part of the pw Torch Daily castline up, dropping 2624 02:36:24.319 --> 02:36:25.239 on Monday nights. 2625 02:36:25.520 --> 02:36:28.520 Search pw Torch in your podcast apps such as Apple 2626 02:36:28.600 --> 02:36:32.000 Podcasts or Spotify to subscribe for free or get a 2627 02:36:32.040 --> 02:36:35.879 commercial free version with the pw Torch VIP membership. Check 2628 02:36:35.920 --> 02:36:39.319 out pw torch dot com slash go vip for details 2629 02:36:39.399 --> 02:36:40.559 and going vip. 2630 02:36:40.719 --> 02:36:43.840 Worse or Better. Finally, something for wrestling fans to do 2631 02:36:44.000 --> 02:36:44.879 on Monday. 2632 02:36:44.600 --> 02:36:49.559 Nights, We're talking with magnum Ga, who is going to 2633 02:36:49.600 --> 02:36:53.760 be at the NWA Legends fan Fest this weekend in Charlotte. 2634 02:36:53.959 --> 02:36:55.680 All kinds of people are going to be there. A 2635 02:36:55.799 --> 02:36:59.479 Lady Blossom Genie Clark, the ex wife of Stone Cold 2636 02:36:59.520 --> 02:37:02.440 Steve All Chris Adams and Billy Jack Haynes. She's gonna 2637 02:37:02.440 --> 02:37:05.440 have a Q and A on Thursday. Also Mickey James, 2638 02:37:06.159 --> 02:37:08.280 Tony Shavani is going to be there. I believe this 2639 02:37:08.479 --> 02:37:12.760 is Tony's first time being there. Jim Cornett is gonna 2640 02:37:12.760 --> 02:37:15.840 do his live podcast taping at eleven o'clock, which is 2641 02:37:15.920 --> 02:37:17.120 a tradition. 2642 02:37:17.239 --> 02:37:17.479 He's in. 2643 02:37:18.000 --> 02:37:21.840 He's in fine form ringside with Jim Ross. Austin Idol, 2644 02:37:21.879 --> 02:37:23.399 who was on the show a couple of weeks ago, 2645 02:37:23.559 --> 02:37:25.319 is going to be doing a live Q and A again. 2646 02:37:25.760 --> 02:37:29.879 Austin Idol does not do a lot of speaking appearances. 2647 02:37:29.920 --> 02:37:32.520 Definitely something I'm looking forward to is I'm going to 2648 02:37:32.600 --> 02:37:35.559 be there this weekend. Jimmy Garvin, He's going to be 2649 02:37:35.639 --> 02:37:39.360 speaking Roadway or Animal Magnum. He's going to be doing 2650 02:37:39.440 --> 02:37:42.719 a Q and A at one pm on Saturday. And 2651 02:37:42.840 --> 02:37:45.000 of course, I guess one of the reasons you're here 2652 02:37:45.120 --> 02:37:47.840 is to talk about the Hall of Heroes banquet, and 2653 02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:51.799 this year you're going to be inducting your your mentor 2654 02:37:52.000 --> 02:37:55.040 your your friend the American Dream, Dusty Rhodes, who he 2655 02:37:55.200 --> 02:38:00.680 lost about about a year ago. Talk about what what 2656 02:38:00.879 --> 02:38:03.239 Dusty did did for you that maybe we may we 2657 02:38:03.360 --> 02:38:04.399 may not know about. 2658 02:38:06.239 --> 02:38:10.280 Well, I don't want to give away you know, everything 2659 02:38:10.360 --> 02:38:13.120 that I'm going to talk about in the conduction cerebody 2660 02:38:13.159 --> 02:38:17.120 and obviously everybody listening, he doesn't have the potential of 2661 02:38:17.719 --> 02:38:21.079 being uh being you know, being part of that. So 2662 02:38:21.879 --> 02:38:24.200 you know, the the one of the biggest, one of 2663 02:38:24.200 --> 02:38:29.319 the bigger things I'll share is that Dusty was that 2664 02:38:29.559 --> 02:38:32.639 true friend to the end kind of guy. Uh. He 2665 02:38:32.920 --> 02:38:36.120 he wasn't friends with me just because uh, you know, 2666 02:38:36.360 --> 02:38:39.520 I helped you know them, you know, set the the 2667 02:38:39.639 --> 02:38:42.799 Atlantic on fire and go into the battle against the 2668 02:38:43.000 --> 02:38:45.440 w w E and do all the things that we did. 2669 02:38:46.280 --> 02:38:49.879 We had a friendship, a brotherhood that was second and 2670 02:38:50.000 --> 02:38:54.120 that and you know, after my accident, uh and after 2671 02:38:54.239 --> 02:38:57.319 he departed going to the w w E, and uh, 2672 02:38:58.360 --> 02:39:03.280 he was getting an opportunity come back to to w 2673 02:39:03.479 --> 02:39:07.879 c W as the booker, as the creative director. You know, 2674 02:39:08.159 --> 02:39:10.479 he opened that door up for me to come in 2675 02:39:10.520 --> 02:39:15.159 and be his assistant. And that was huge at a 2676 02:39:15.280 --> 02:39:17.399 time when you know, I didn't have a lot of 2677 02:39:17.440 --> 02:39:23.159 opportunities out there because the CBS organization had let me 2678 02:39:23.360 --> 02:39:27.520 go after my contract had expired, and there was a 2679 02:39:27.559 --> 02:39:30.120 whole group of people there that really didn't know anything 2680 02:39:30.159 --> 02:39:32.520 about me or what I went to the business, or 2681 02:39:33.399 --> 02:39:36.120 history or anything, and it was kind of a cold place. 2682 02:39:36.760 --> 02:39:39.959 And he opened up opportunities for me that theybled me 2683 02:39:40.079 --> 02:39:43.120 to take care of and provide for my family. And 2684 02:39:44.399 --> 02:39:47.280 it was just a true and good friend at good 2685 02:39:47.360 --> 02:39:51.079 times and bad times. So, you know, a very special 2686 02:39:51.159 --> 02:39:56.639 relationship there. And I've never had a relationship even come 2687 02:39:56.719 --> 02:40:00.280 close with any one person of my adult life. Drug 2688 02:40:00.399 --> 02:40:03.959 Dusty and I shared both during my wrestling in the 2689 02:40:04.120 --> 02:40:05.559 ring career and half. 2690 02:40:10.520 --> 02:40:12.399 As far as as far as Dusty, what do you 2691 02:40:12.440 --> 02:40:15.280 think he meant the to the wrestling business. 2692 02:40:17.280 --> 02:40:20.200 Well, he was bigger than the wrestling business. His impact 2693 02:40:20.879 --> 02:40:25.159 will be felt throughout time because not only is at 2694 02:40:25.239 --> 02:40:29.239 ring performance and what he did and helping you build 2695 02:40:29.399 --> 02:40:34.000 the big Vega shows that people enjoy today, but his 2696 02:40:34.200 --> 02:40:37.559 work in the ring and his sideline work with all 2697 02:40:37.639 --> 02:40:41.079 these kids down there in the NFT and the developmental 2698 02:40:41.200 --> 02:40:47.840 Center has has firmly entrenched, you know, the philosophies and 2699 02:40:48.319 --> 02:40:52.200 what Dusty was brought to professional wrestling and a whole 2700 02:40:52.360 --> 02:40:55.559 huge generation of kids that we're going to see performing 2701 02:40:55.680 --> 02:40:59.440 over the next ten fifteen years. So you'll see pieces 2702 02:40:59.479 --> 02:41:02.840 of events and pieces of Dusty Royds and his influence 2703 02:41:03.639 --> 02:41:06.959 over the wrestling community for seventy years to come. That 2704 02:41:07.799 --> 02:41:12.479 his impact will be fault for for multiple generations. 2705 02:41:13.920 --> 02:41:14.040 Yea. 2706 02:41:14.200 --> 02:41:16.639 And I think it's amazing back, you know, with the 2707 02:41:16.799 --> 02:41:19.440 with the with the six o five show, if you 2708 02:41:19.559 --> 02:41:22.520 watch it now on the network, you'll see the interviews 2709 02:41:22.559 --> 02:41:27.639 that Dusty would cut and he would make veiled comments, 2710 02:41:27.799 --> 02:41:30.879 veiled digs at the w WF, and it was it 2711 02:41:31.000 --> 02:41:33.639 was a very heated rivalry as you as you talked about. 2712 02:41:34.399 --> 02:41:37.200 And I think it's it's a testament to Dusty's legacy. 2713 02:41:37.239 --> 02:41:39.159 And people talk about when he went to the WWF 2714 02:41:39.239 --> 02:41:41.239 and they they put him in polka dots and he 2715 02:41:41.600 --> 02:41:43.000 may or may not it may or may not have 2716 02:41:43.079 --> 02:41:46.479 been a rib but whatever. But for for a guy 2717 02:41:46.600 --> 02:41:49.840 who was on the front line of that very bitter war, 2718 02:41:50.000 --> 02:41:52.639 who may or may not have been humiliated by Vince 2719 02:41:52.719 --> 02:41:55.600 when he went to the WWF, here we are thirty 2720 02:41:55.680 --> 02:41:58.319 years later, and I think it's a testament to the 2721 02:41:58.399 --> 02:42:00.959 work that he did and the person that he was, 2722 02:42:01.120 --> 02:42:05.719 where he has been remembered and embraced and you know, 2723 02:42:05.879 --> 02:42:08.159 and enshrined as as one of their own. 2724 02:42:08.239 --> 02:42:14.200 Now, well, Vincent and his wife and Triple Ah and stuff, 2725 02:42:14.319 --> 02:42:17.520 we're all there, and Dustin's general saw them while they're 2726 02:42:17.600 --> 02:42:20.440 talk to them, and the thing was it was about 2727 02:42:20.639 --> 02:42:23.840 our business has always been about respect. The other. Rivalry 2728 02:42:24.040 --> 02:42:28.000 was huge, and there was certainly animosity when Dusty first 2729 02:42:28.040 --> 02:42:30.440 went there. And now, I don't think the publy nuts 2730 02:42:30.479 --> 02:42:33.000 were a rib at all. I think they were an 2731 02:42:33.000 --> 02:42:36.959 attempt to discredit him and the fact that he rose 2732 02:42:37.120 --> 02:42:41.879 above and beyond anything. Ever anybody imagined what he could 2733 02:42:41.920 --> 02:42:46.239 do with what they laid on his plate only elevated 2734 02:42:46.319 --> 02:42:50.159 him even higher in their opinion of you know, in 2735 02:42:50.280 --> 02:42:53.920 respect for what Dusty was capable of doing as a 2736 02:42:54.000 --> 02:42:57.760 performer and both you know what he also would later 2737 02:42:57.920 --> 02:43:02.319 bring and his coaching coach mentoring to the view and 2738 02:43:02.399 --> 02:43:05.120 young talent that they were trying to cultivate for their 2739 02:43:05.120 --> 02:43:12.200 own their own uh endeavors. So yeah, it's an amazing 2740 02:43:12.319 --> 02:43:15.239 story and one that has so many layers of so 2741 02:43:15.360 --> 02:43:18.280 many passes that you can write multiple books about it. 2742 02:43:20.079 --> 02:43:22.280 So when I was promoting this interview with you, Magnum, 2743 02:43:22.319 --> 02:43:25.600 I tweeted out a picture of you and Dusty in 2744 02:43:25.760 --> 02:43:29.680 these huge fur coats on the six o five show 2745 02:43:29.840 --> 02:43:32.879 doing an interview with Tony Schavani, and Tony's got this 2746 02:43:33.079 --> 02:43:36.600 look on his face. And I guess a lot of fans, 2747 02:43:36.920 --> 02:43:40.879 younger fans are people had not seen, uh seen those 2748 02:43:40.959 --> 02:43:44.600 coats before. They had they had it, got it, got 2749 02:43:44.639 --> 02:43:47.520 a lot of engagement. Everyone was commenting on the the 2750 02:43:47.600 --> 02:43:49.399 fur coats. So do you wanna do you want to 2751 02:43:49.479 --> 02:43:52.040 explain the huge fur coats you guys wore? 2752 02:43:53.280 --> 02:43:55.719 Yeah, we, you know, we we had a lot of jesting, 2753 02:43:55.920 --> 02:43:58.159 you know, go on between us, and you know, Player 2754 02:43:58.319 --> 02:44:01.280 was always run in his mouth and his mis and 2755 02:44:01.399 --> 02:44:04.399 this that and his you know, all his high dollar 2756 02:44:04.559 --> 02:44:06.959 suits and all the things. And and one day we 2757 02:44:07.040 --> 02:44:09.719 were just Dusty dye Player. We were all in Vegas 2758 02:44:10.239 --> 02:44:14.799 and Dusty and I walked into this furrier shop with 2759 02:44:14.959 --> 02:44:18.120 the guy who'd made coats for Limarachi and everybody else, 2760 02:44:18.719 --> 02:44:20.799 and of course they were all over he and I 2761 02:44:21.520 --> 02:44:23.680 and we just we just had a long hair. This 2762 02:44:23.760 --> 02:44:27.040 time we both could get full link coyote coats made 2763 02:44:27.399 --> 02:44:30.399 to wear on TV, just to shut up Rick. And 2764 02:44:30.600 --> 02:44:33.520 so we again we both bought these coats. We paid 2765 02:44:33.520 --> 02:44:36.200 about seventy five hundred dollars a piece for him back 2766 02:44:36.239 --> 02:44:40.200 in nineteen eighty five and wore maybe three times but 2767 02:44:40.399 --> 02:44:43.840 Warball TVs and had pictures taken with him, and you know, 2768 02:44:44.280 --> 02:44:46.639 it was it was just kind of a tongue and 2769 02:44:46.719 --> 02:44:49.280 cheek kind of funny thing to us back then. But 2770 02:44:49.760 --> 02:44:53.079 you know, that's kind of competition we had. And you know, 2771 02:44:53.360 --> 02:44:56.280 as a cavadery and everything else out of a bots 2772 02:44:56.360 --> 02:44:58.920 this and it's H'm glad that there's some good pictures 2773 02:44:59.000 --> 02:45:01.079 of us out there in them and the wolves and 2774 02:45:01.159 --> 02:45:04.040 did create quite a stern to say the least. 2775 02:45:05.799 --> 02:45:07.600 Did did do you still have the coat? Did you 2776 02:45:07.680 --> 02:45:08.000 sell it? 2777 02:45:08.120 --> 02:45:09.040 What? Was it a tax? 2778 02:45:09.159 --> 02:45:09.280 Right? 2779 02:45:10.760 --> 02:45:10.959 Yeah? 2780 02:45:11.360 --> 02:45:14.680 Yeah, it was that I sold a couple of years ago, 2781 02:45:14.799 --> 02:45:18.879 I think dusty Gauges and down in Dallas Page one year. 2782 02:45:19.879 --> 02:45:21.680 But I mean it was so big and heavy, it 2783 02:45:21.799 --> 02:45:24.959 was it was like wearing an electric blanket. Unless it 2784 02:45:25.040 --> 02:45:27.760 was about thirty below outside. You couldn't merely stand award. 2785 02:45:27.799 --> 02:45:29.760 It's the warm stand out all of my life. 2786 02:45:31.319 --> 02:45:33.639 Well and in that era, you guys are doing great 2787 02:45:33.719 --> 02:45:36.680 business and and you know, I understand like in particular 2788 02:45:36.760 --> 02:45:41.559 for the TV tapings, the uh, the cars in the 2789 02:45:41.639 --> 02:45:44.959 parking lot when everyone showed up, they were pretty spectacular. 2790 02:45:46.440 --> 02:45:49.159 But we were all making big money. And you know, 2791 02:45:49.319 --> 02:45:52.680 in the eighties, big money. If you're making one hundred 2792 02:45:52.680 --> 02:45:54.639 and fifty two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, 2793 02:45:54.719 --> 02:45:58.239 that was huge money back then. And uh so, yeah, 2794 02:45:58.280 --> 02:46:02.479 I mean Corvettes and Mercedes, Jaguars and Porsches were, you know, 2795 02:46:02.719 --> 02:46:03.959 just just everywhere. 2796 02:46:04.440 --> 02:46:05.040 I mean we were. 2797 02:46:05.319 --> 02:46:07.920 We were in Charlotte before there was any pro sports team, 2798 02:46:08.079 --> 02:46:10.360 so we were the pro sports team and there was 2799 02:46:10.399 --> 02:46:14.040 about two hundred of us here and there was a 2800 02:46:14.079 --> 02:46:14.920 lot of money flowing. 2801 02:46:17.959 --> 02:46:19.840 All right, Magnan, Well, look, we'll see you this weekend 2802 02:46:19.920 --> 02:46:22.840 at the nw A fan Fest. Any words before we 2803 02:46:22.920 --> 02:46:25.440 let you go, Man, just thank you. 2804 02:46:25.719 --> 02:46:29.920 I never ceases to amaze me the impact and the 2805 02:46:30.040 --> 02:46:33.159 great stories the fans have. Look forward to seeing them 2806 02:46:33.200 --> 02:46:37.319 all there. I'm so honored to be inducting Dusty into 2807 02:46:37.360 --> 02:46:40.879 the Hall of Heroes. He would have loved that. He 2808 02:46:41.000 --> 02:46:43.840 had a great passion from the city of Charlotte and 2809 02:46:44.000 --> 02:46:49.600 for the Atlantic Wrestling Organization in this territory. So you know, 2810 02:46:49.719 --> 02:46:52.040 I'm excited about it, look forward to seeing the fans, 2811 02:46:52.440 --> 02:46:54.479 and thank you so much for having me off this morning. 2812 02:46:55.680 --> 02:46:58.000 My pleasure anytime magnum and thank you. And by the way, 2813 02:46:58.319 --> 02:47:02.120 we'll be doing a live show on Wednesday night around 2814 02:47:02.399 --> 02:47:04.239 five thirty, So if you're in the hotel and you 2815 02:47:04.360 --> 02:47:06.000 see a podcast, come on by and just say hi 2816 02:47:06.040 --> 02:47:06.760 for a couple of minutes. 2817 02:47:07.559 --> 02:47:09.520 All right, that's great, you guys have a great day. 2818 02:47:10.360 --> 02:47:13.559 All right, man, there's magnum Ta, the Great magnum Ta, 2819 02:47:13.719 --> 02:47:17.000 Terry Allen joining us on the live cast, and we 2820 02:47:17.319 --> 02:47:21.040 covered a lot from mid Atlantic Crockett, which I guess 2821 02:47:21.159 --> 02:47:24.920 is the same thing, to Watts, to Portland and Florida, 2822 02:47:25.040 --> 02:47:28.280 to WWF and Andre the Giant. But yeah, he's going 2823 02:47:28.319 --> 02:47:30.719 to be at the Hall of Heroes. It's going to 2824 02:47:30.799 --> 02:47:35.719 be uh this weekend and you can come on by 2825 02:47:35.920 --> 02:47:40.639 and see magnum Ta and everybody. Go to NWA Legends 2826 02:47:40.840 --> 02:47:44.559 dot com and again, Britt Wittmyer and I we're going 2827 02:47:44.600 --> 02:47:47.319 to be there this Wednesday. We're gonna do a live 2828 02:47:47.440 --> 02:47:50.680 cast at five thirty, the usual five thirty Eastern time 2829 02:47:50.760 --> 02:47:52.600 for the Pat McNeil Show, because we're going to be 2830 02:47:52.639 --> 02:47:55.680 there for Pats. If you're in the area, if you're 2831 02:47:55.719 --> 02:47:59.399 going to NWA FanFest, come by and say hi. But 2832 02:47:59.479 --> 02:48:03.280 hopefully we'll get some wrestlers on and some wrestling personalities 2833 02:48:03.319 --> 02:48:06.479 whoever they are. We'll see what happens. 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