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seven oh four five seven oh eleven ten. To me,
the question about what's going on with Israel versus Iron
comes down to a pretty simple question in my mind. Now,
the answers are you know complex? How you go about
doing this stuff?
Speaker 2: Whatever?
Speaker 1: That's complex? The ramifications of those choices very complex and unknown,
right not the sound all Donald RUMSFELDI in here. But
there are known knowns, there are known unknowns, and then
there are unknown unknowns, right, we don't know what happens, right.
The plans all go out the window as soon as
the first shots get fired, right like this. That's the
thing about war.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So the question in my mind that I keep coming back.
Speaker 1: To is is it in our national interest for Israel
to eliminate Iran's nuclear program?
Speaker 2: That's the first question, first order question.
Speaker 1: Is it in our national interest for Israel to wipe
out their nuclear program?
Speaker 2: And my answer to that is yes.
Speaker 1: Now you may have a different answer, but I believe
it is in America's national interest for Iran not to
have nuclear weapons. And the reasons why, I think are
pretty evident to anybody that's been paying attention to Iran
for like the last fifty years. They really do not
like America. They are responsible for the depths of hundreds,
if not thousands of Americans, including a lot of military
members in Iraq Beirut, right because their proxies Habala Hamas
Houti's right. They've been waging war on America but also
on Israel for well since they took control of Iran
in nineteen seventy nine. They have made it very clear
that they want to eate the Little Satan Israel and
the Great Satan America. Israel keeps pointing this out, Benjamin
Ntonyahu points this out, and if you agree, then you're called,
you know, dual loyalty. You're accused of being in the
pocket of Israel or the Jews.
Speaker 2: And that's all.
Speaker 1: But that's in our interest as well, is to not
have them nuclear armed. And that's a position, by the way,
that's held by roughly eighty five percent of Republican voters,
and like seventy percent of Americans. They should not get
nukes because they are different. See, there's another element here.
There's this Western conceit and it was at play among
the neo cons as well going into Iraq, right where oh,
if we just topple their tyrant and we impose, you know,
democratic reforms and give them a government that looks like ours,
then you know, they'll be a shining beacon of democracy
in the Middle East. Western conceit. They are not like us.
They don't have the same history, they don't come from
the same culture, right, they have different norms and more's.
Speaker 2: They rejected it. They didn't want it.
Speaker 1: The other day we were talking about, well, what about
the was it the grandson of the Shah of Iran,
and he's like, I'll come back in and lead the
country and restore the monarchy. Yeah, I don't care, Like
I don't care what happens with the regime. And now
you're starting to hear the calls for regime change. In fact,
let me go ahead and read this. This came from
well number one. This came from open Source Intel. They
monitor real time news and open source intelligence out of
the Middle East global events. The Iranian Radio and TV
Corporation building was just hit by Israel, but also the
IDF says it tried to assassinate Iran's new military chief
of staff, but he escaped, but then a few hours
later he was eliminated. But the Israeli Defense Minister, after
Iran dropped the bomb on the Israeli hospital, which I'm
old enough to remember when bombing hospitals even if they
had terrorist tunnels and headquarters located inside of them, that
this was a war crime. But apparently if Iran does
it too, Israel not a problem, I guess. The Israeli
Defense minister this was about. So this was yeah, so
this was about. This was several hours ago. The Israeli
Defense minister said, now said taking out the Ayatola is
now one of their war goals. So now they're going
to target the Ayatola. That's Israel's call. We and this
is like and the Biden administration was always trying to
tell the Israelis, don't go too far, don't do this,
don't do that, you know, wider war in the region.
Speaker 2: All of that.
Speaker 1: That's always been the argument that this could get way worse, right,
and for an American public, that is war. We re
after Iraq and Afghanistan. I understand that argument, but we
don't know. That's part of the thing. And like, you
could also risk wider war if you leave the Ayatola
in charge, you let him keep doing what he's doing,
getting closer to China, closer to Russia. They could make
things even worse.
Speaker 2: We don't know. We'll see, right, people who are.
Speaker 1: This is again, this is there's so much of this
speculative journalism going on, and it's like everybody now does it.
We're predicting the outcome of sporting events. And I understand
that there are people who work at these think tanks
and work in foreign policy and stuff, and they make
all their predictions and They're like, they're the experts and
they've been wrong, and so we don't want to trust them.
I have my own predictions and everything, but yours is
also just a prediction too, So I don't know what happens.
I'm not making any predictions because I don't know what
the population of Iran.
Speaker 2: That's not true.
Speaker 1: I do it's ninety two million now, But I'm not
an expert. But I do believe that taking out the
nuclear program is in our interest. And is it an
American interest to have a friendly West leaning or West
looking government in Iran? Sure over what the iotola is. Absolutely,
but you take out this iotola, who's to say there's
not somebody that comes in. That's another iotola. That's even worse. Right,
we don't know.
Speaker 2: We don't know. And Iran is not Araq. I went
over this the other day too.
Speaker 1: They are different peoples, they are different cultures, different histories.
Iran has this long history, Persia is what it was,
so they have a different history. So you can't just
pick up Iraq or Afghanistan and lay that template onto Iran.
That's not an argument for taking out the ayatola. That's
not an argument for regime change. I also just saw
our Senator Tom Tillis is now advocating for regime change,
and like, I don't think that that's what we should
be doing. Is that what Trump is going to advocate for?
Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see right now.
Speaker 1: I think it is in our interest to wipe out
that nuclear program and hopefully the Iranian people are able
to throw off this murderous, tyrannical regime and implement and
something that.
Speaker 2: Is more peaceful. That's my hope.
Speaker 1: Will it happen, don't know, don't know, which is why
we shouldn't send any troops over there because we don't know.
But what if it gets into this bigger war. I
kind of feel like that might have happened already, but
they don't. It doesn't seem like Iran has any allies.
Speaker 2: It doesn't.
Speaker 1: Do you think Russia is going to open up another front?
They're already fighting with the Ukrainians? Are they opening up
another front to Iran or three?
Speaker 2: I don't know. They might. I don't think they will,
but they might. China.
Speaker 1: China's been doing deals with Iran part of their Belt
and Road initiative. Do you think China is gonna go
to war in Iran against Israel and America and NATO.
I mean that would be World War three right all
because I wouldn't stop building a nuclear weapon, which also
would by the way, lead to World War three if
they were able to get the nuke. Maybe that's what
I mean, Like, there are all these different game theories
that are out there. I don't criticize people for having
opinions and for charting out the different scenarios, no doubt
about it. But again, to me, I keep coming back
to the first question, is it in our interest for
Israel to knock out the nuclear program? And I keep
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oh four five seven oh eleven ten. Email is Pete
at the petecalandarshow dot com. So again, the fundamental question
is is it in our American national interest for Israel
to eliminate a or this nuclear program. I say yes,
So then the next question in that decision tree is okay,
then to what extent do we help Israel do that
because we believe it's in ournational interest, right, And I
think that then divides people, right, because there are some
people that would say we should do nothing, just let
them keep doing it, and I don't know if they
have the capability to do it. We've been told that
they would very much appreciate the bunker buster bombs and
the B twos to fly over and drop the bombs
a couple times and blow up the four dough or
four dough facility that's under the mountain. But then there
are other options, I guess, but I've actually not heard
anybody offer any other kind of assessment or proposal to
say we're going to do X, Y and Z above
and beyond the bunker busters, right, Because if Israel can
do this all on their own, I am perfectly content
letting them just proceed, keep doing what you're doing. At
some point you'll you'll wipe it all out, right, whether
it's you know, going in there with commandos or something
and you know, taking out these facilities, I don't know,
but that would be the next question should we fly over?
That also raises a host of other questions, right about
are we then considered to be involved? And this was
a point of contention in the Tucker Carlson ted Cruz
argument masquerading as an interview. And you know, Carlson's like,
I just don't understand, like why we're doing this. As
I just said, it's about Iran's nuclear program. This has
been the goal of American foreign policy literally my entire life.
So they are not to get the nuclear bomb, and
we have taken all sorts of efforts to make that
not happen. Right, And then CRU's layers or sorry, Carlson
layers in this. You know what about a pac and
the America Israeli Political Action Committee that donates money to
candidates that are pro Israel, Well, that's lobby they're lobbying
for Israel, and they're not lobbying for Israel. They're Americans
that collect money. I went over this in the last hour,
and they fund candidates that also support Israel.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: Cruz had said in this interview that when he was elected,
he said he wanted to be the leading defender of
Israel in the US Senate.
Speaker 2: That's what he said.
Speaker 4: What you didn't ask is why.
Speaker 3: So let me tell you why.
Speaker 5: No, you said I was obsessed with Israel, and you
had just told me that, like you're driving motive to
get to the Senate was to defend Israel.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm not going to subsessive. Okay, sucker,
words matter, And you know that.
Speaker 4: I said, I resolved to be the leading defender of
israe And you said, you're driving motive the reason you're
in the center.
Speaker 5: You want to be the leading defender of Israel. I
would think if I ran for Senate, I'd be like,
there are people dying of drugrities on the street.
Speaker 4: My driving motive is to fight for Texas and America,
to fight for jobs, and to fight for the Constitution.
And you played a very very careful word game of
eliding the.
Speaker 2: One who said it not me, No, he did.
Speaker 1: He constructed a false choice that you can't fight for Texas,
be in America first, to defend America the Constitution, and
be a leading defender of Israel in the Senate. Right
in Carlson's framing, you can't do all of those things.
You're either for Israel or you're for America. You can't
be both, and I reject that you can. If Israel
does something that we don't like, that we don't agree with,
then obviously we're not going to agree to do it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But this is that quote dual loyalty argument that is
made among anti Semites. And again I don't know if
Tucker Carlson is or is not. Frankly, I don't care.
But his arguments are the same arguments that are used,
and the questions that he's just asking are the same
questions that anti Semites are just asking. That the phrase, well,
you can't criticize Israel for anything, No, it's the only
country you can't criticize. That's also something that the anti
Semite say. Again, I don't know if he's aware of that.
Don't know if that's what he thinks or not. Doesn't
matter to me. I'm just saying that's why Ted Cruz
is responding the way he's responding. But then Carlson tries
to reframe the purpose of the questions yet again, it's
like you don't really know where these things are going
once the shooting starts. That's my only point, and calling
people names anti Semite isolationists to get them to stop
talking is not the way to serve your country. But
that's a different argument now. So see he's now pivoted
away to say, I'm only saying that we don't know
what happens when the bullets start firing.
Speaker 2: And that's true.
Speaker 1: That's not really at all relevant to APAC funding or
whether they control senators, or whether Iran has a nuclear weapon. Right, Like,
what is the purpose? Because you've now given us three
different explanations for the purpose of your questions. He's just
all over the place here.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 1: Also, by the way, I'm looking up at the monitors,
the White House has a press briefing. I don't know
if this I assume it was previously scheduled, but we
will endeavor to carry it live when it begins because
I suspect this topic. What do you think it might
come up? I think it might come up. Oh, in fact,
she's on right now, so I'll monitor during the newscast.
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oh eleven ten. The White House Press briefing just began
about five minutes ago. Catherine Levitt started off by talking
about and touting the low immigration numbers they had, like
no crossings or something yesterday or yeah, like, and so
she's touting the success of the border enforcement and security
efforts that Trump has done, which he does not get
enough credit for. And then she abt minute or so ago,
she shifted to Iran. I've paused the c Span feed.
We'll see if it picks up here at that point.
Speaker 6: Now, regarding the ongoing situation and Iran, I know there
has been a lot of speculation amongst all of you
in the media regarding the President's decision making and whether
or not the United States will be directly involved. In
light of that news, I have a message directly from
the President, and I quote based on the fact that
there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may
not take place with Iran in the near future. I
will make my decision whether or not to go within
the next two weeks. That's a quote directly from the
President for all of you today. So we'll kick it
off for questions here in our new mediacy, we have
Eli Lake from the Free Press. Eli, go ahead, I'm
great so much for having us.
Speaker 7: Thank you the pre press the decision to extend the
I guess delay in enforcing the TikTok ban. Sure, can
you talk about how the White House understands it's constitutional.
Speaker 2: Authority in light of that's the first question in January.
Speaker 7: That said that the President had to enforce the ban.
Speaker 6: Sure well as all of you know, because the President
put it out on his shoes social today, he did
sign an executive order to extend the TikTok fan If.
Speaker 2: You don't have the power to do that, it's a law.
Speaker 6: And the White House Council in the Department of Justice
have reviewed this executive order and I can get it
for you. I think it's on our website by now.
If it's not, my team will now put it up
immediately and you can read the language in that executive order.
And the White House Council's Office in the Department of
Justice strongly believe the legal rationale for this executive order.
They wouldn't have the President's pen hit it if they didn't.
And the political reasoning for this, of course, is because
the President made a promise to keep TikTok Talk on.
There are one hundred million Americans who use this app.
Speaker 2: It's a law fuler. He also wants a law.
Speaker 6: Pass Americans data and privacy concerns on this app, and
he believes we can do both things at the same time.
So he's making an extension so we can get this
deal done.
Speaker 7: I got to follow up.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 7: A few weeks ago there at Tucker Carlson reported on
a meeting between the President, Mark Levin, and others of
the White House. Is there a leak investigation that? Can
you say who else was in that meeting.
Speaker 6: I'm not aware of a leak investigation at this time. I,
for one, do not reveal details about the President's private
meetings without his permission to do so. But certainly the
president does not like when people leak. He takes that
very seriously. This entire administration takes that seriously, and that's
why you've seen at agencies some of the cabinet secretaries
have been given the authority by the President to let
go of staff who are engaged in such leaks, especially
those that risk American national security.
Speaker 8: Sure, go ahead, Caroline, thank you so. Brian O warmonger
Lindsey Graham, he recently called on the USO all In.
Speaker 1: That's quite the lead to a question, right, He's just
called Lindsay Graham a warmonger.
Speaker 8: Every day Trump supporters, not the I don't know who
this other big names. But every day Trump supporters, grassroots
who voted for the President Trump to stop the wars
rejected this in the primary going into another war, but
voting against Nicky Hayley, and they want to see non
US involvement in this war. What's your message?
Speaker 6: Trust in President Trump. President Trump has incredible instincts and
President Trump kept America in the world safe in his
first term as president, in implementing a peace through Strength
foreign policy agenda, and with respect to Iran, nobody should
be surprised by the President's position that Iran absolutely cannot
obtain a nuclear weapon. He's been unequivocally clear about this
for decades, not just as president, not just as a
presidential candidate, but also as a private citizen. In fact,
I have some quotes for you. In twenty eleven, President
Trump said, America's primary goal with Iran must be to
destroy its nuclear ambitions. We cannot allow this radical regime
to acquire a nuclear weapon that they will either use
or hand off to terrorists. In twenty fifteen, the President said,
the problem is that Iran poses an next essential threat
to Israel, our Middle Eastern allies in the United States,
and of course the President has repeated that in his
first term as president and his second term as president
as well. That's why he was adamantly opposed to the
disastrous arounding a nuclear agreement that was implemented by President Obama.
And it's why he has given great latitude and given
a lot of effort to achieving a diplomatic solution. But
he's been very clear. Iran went for sixty days when
he gave them that sixty day warning without coming to
the table. On day sixty one, Israel took action against Iran.
And as I just told you from the President directly,
he has he will make a decision within two weeks.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna pause it here because that's the all right.
So that's the key message. He's got everybody now on
a clock for two weeks.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 1: Okay, you've got Israel that now says they're going to
take out the Ayahtola. So Israel's got two weeks right
ostensibly like they whatever you want to get done in
two weeks, Israel, go for it. Because I'm not you know,
I'm not saying anything right now. So this is an
Israeli show. Only the Mollahs, the Ayahtola, the revolutionary Guard,
the upper echelon in Iran. They've got two weeks to
figure out what it is they want to do. If
they're doing negotiations, they're trying to get Israel to stop,
you know, the bombing runs and everything, then they've got
two weeks to come to the table offer concessions, and
one of those concessions has to be the elimination of
your nuclear program. Trump has been very clear, and I
don't say that very often, okay, but Trump has been
very clear on this. As she just mentioned, he is
He has been consistent for fifteen years. So you don't
get to keep your nuclear program. That's what Israel is
taking out. So if you come and say, okay, fine,
you know what, we will scrap all nuclear ambitions, we
will open ourselves up for all IAEA ins inspections going forward,
complete disclosure and the dismantling of the of the program.
That might be a way to stay in power. That's
their call. Also, if anybody's looking to do a little coup,
toss out the Ayatola, install a new government or something
right from inside that upper echelon of Iranian government, then
you got two weeks and if you are the people
of Iran and you've heard the calls coming from you.
Israel has been saying it. Iranian dissidents have been saying it.
You know, living in exile, you've got more protests. In fact,
there was a story here, I have it. Yeah, here
it is. Hackers infiltrated Iran's state run media outlets and
are using the airwaves to encourage Iranians to rise up
against their government. Footage circulating on social media appears to
show Iran's TV broadcast being hijacked. The TV screen shows
images of the recent protests against the regime's onerous laws
against women. Quote, rise up, this is your moment. Go
out into the streets, take control of your future, saying
that the regime has failed to protect Iran's airspace, it
has failed in its offensive efforts, it has failed to
protect your money. The hackers also took the regime to
task for funneling their money into its military endeavors instead
of taking care of its citizens. NBC News reported yesterday
that hackers also made their way into Iran's largest cryptocurrency exchange,
called Nobitechs, and they drained the exchange of more than
ninety million dollars.
Speaker 2: You got two weeks.
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Speaker 2: Lad's head over to the phones and chat with Dave.
Thanks for hanging on, Dave. What's going on?
Speaker 3: Pete TikTok was his first question? Yeah, please play that.
Please play that clip every half hour and find out
what organization he's with.
Speaker 1: That's Eli Lake, who's actually like a national security reporter
guy and he now is working for the Free Press. Geez, yeah,
just a point, not a I did not appreciate that
being the first question.
Speaker 3: So the question about whether or not Israel will will
take it, if we'll let Israel take out their nuke,
their capabilities first thing. And I was able to listen
to the to the news conference while I was on hold,
and I was going to give them thirty days, say Israel, Israel,
can you handle this? Israel says yes or no. If
they say no, what do you need for us to
help you with? Trump steps in and says two weeks.
I love it. Give them two weeks to get it right,
or if Canada has to step in, that program has
to be extinguished.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think another country is going to do it.
Speaker 1: There's too much, especially after the last you know, almost
two years of the war in Gaza. I don't see
any other nation that has an appetite because of their
you know, I mean you look at all the Western
European countries. They've allowed so much migration from Muslim countries
that they've got you know, protests in the streets just
like we do. So we are I think we are
the only ones that would be able to offer any
kind of military assistance to Israel.
Speaker 3: Politically, there's no question at all. You can't let that
section of the world have the capability of exploding a
nuclear whip. And it is anyone that sees at any difference.
I would imagine people from Iran see it differently. But
other than that, what really right?
Speaker 1: So the question that is, you know, in the question
I started off asking, is you know, is it in
our interest to let Israel take out the nuclear program?
Speaker 2: I think it is. Sounds like you agree.
Speaker 1: The next question is then okay, so if we agree
it's in there, it's in our interest to let them
pursue it. If they needed our help, then what does
that help look like?
Speaker 3: Any any means necessary?
Speaker 2: So boots on the ground for you.
Speaker 3: We don't need boots on the ground anymore. We have
technologies and abilities to stop things like that with out
putting American soldiers in the line of fire. We can
we can wipe that out from from a drone if necessary.
Speaker 1: So, and I've thought about that too, that you could
have said, if you could get with you know, whatever
the range is for these drones, and I don't know
what the ranges are, but yeah, if you could get
somehow get access into the facility, you fly a drone
in there, or a couple of them, or a whole
swarm of them in there, and you blow it all
up from the inside. That may be a way to
do it without even putting anybody on the ground except
some drone operators within the range of the drone. And
Israel could probably do that without us. Yeah, So I mean,
that is definitely one course of action, David. I appreciate
the call. All right, man, take it easy. So we
also have some new information about the first attack that
Israel launched on Iran. Israeli secret service operatives used a
fake phone call to trigger what appeared to be an
emergency meeting among Iran's top military leaders. Okay, so they
sent a phone call. They made a phone call to
everybody all at once, Hey we got an emergency meeting.
Everybody assemble at this place. They all went there, and
then they targeted that location. According to a report published
twosday Day by the Jewish Chronicle, Masad used Iranian communication
channels as part of a coordinated disinformation campaign targeting top
Iranian Air Force officials and lured them all to the
same location for what they believed to be an important meeting.
I guess it was just not the kind that they thought.
A fake phone call for twenty members of the Air
Force senior staff telling them to go to a specific
bunker in Tehran, and so they go, it gets blown up.
They are all eliminated. And this means there isn't anybody
to give the order to fire the first salvo of
a thousand ballistic missiles, which is what Iran was threatening
to do. They were promising to do any strike on us,
going to watch a thousand missiles that Israel, and Israel's like, well,
we can't have that happen because we can't take them
all out. So if there's nobody to give the orders,
you can't fire them. And that's what apparently they did.
I do have some more audio of the of the
Carlson Cruz argument, and I only got three more clips,
but these are pretty important. Okay, these are pretty important
to understand the debate that's going on in MAGA and
in the MAGA influencer sphere. So pick up there on
the other side of the news. All right, that'll do
it for this episode.
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Speaker 3: M hmm