Speaker 1: It's seven oh six, Brian Thomas. You're wishing everyone to
Speaker 1: happy Friday and welcoming to the fifty five theirse Morning
Speaker 1: Show author Mandy Gunnisakara. She's got a great background to
Speaker 1: write this book. We're gonna be talking about, y'all, Fire,
Speaker 1: a Southern Midle's guide to Restoring Federalism, Draining the Swamp.
Speaker 1: She has been a center of US and energy and
Speaker 1: environmental policy for the last decade to a decade. A
Speaker 1: veteran environmental attorney, energy strategist, and communicator, served under President
Speaker 1: Donald Trump as the Chief of Staff at the US
Speaker 1: Environmental Protection Agency. Currently a visiting fellow at the Heritage
Speaker 1: Foundation Yay, and she is a resident of Oxford, mississipp
Speaker 1: where she lives with her husband and children. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Morning Show, Mandy Gunnis Sicara. It's a real pleasure
Speaker 1: to have you on today.
Speaker 2: Well, good morning, and it's a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1: And getting to the point on the subtitle draining this swamp.
Speaker 1: Here's a problem I have. We'll get into more details
Speaker 1: on the book, and thank you so much for writing it.
Speaker 1: I was looking, you know, and I'm a critics. I'm
Speaker 1: a critic of I don't believe that I'm exhaling us
Speaker 1: into oblivion. I do not believe it was a problem
Speaker 1: with carbon dioxide. Honestly, I know it's tree food. I
Speaker 1: haven't bought into the religion, all right, So call me
Speaker 1: old fashioned, but I always counter this argument that we're
Speaker 1: killing the planet, which seems to serve as the basis
Speaker 1: for almost every removal of freedom that exists in our
Speaker 1: lives in this world, that the planet's temperature has ebbed
Speaker 1: and flowed. The estate of Ohio was at one time
Speaker 1: covered completely with a glacier. Thankfully it isn't anymore. The
Speaker 1: earth got warmer, and now we grow corn here. So
Speaker 1: how is it that the airth temperature has ebbed and flowed?
Speaker 1: And only right now it's our fault? So with that
Speaker 1: in mind, we have a collection, in my estimation, of
Speaker 1: useful idiots who have just taken that and just believed
Speaker 1: it as gospel, and then therefore allow things like ice
Speaker 1: internal combustion engine mandates in bands like's going on in California,
Speaker 1: where they force people to buy, for example, big rigs
Speaker 1: electric big rigs that go one hundred and fifteen miles
Speaker 1: versus the thousand to fifteen hundred miles of diesel trucks go,
Speaker 1: which also happened to cost twice the price of a
Speaker 1: diesel truck. But they're not allowed to sell you a
Speaker 1: diesel unless they sell an EV. That is all made up.
Speaker 1: It's insanity and it's ruining our economy. One illustration. So
Speaker 1: to drain the swamp, don't we have to drain the
Speaker 1: useful idiots who are bought into this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And there's only so much you can do
Speaker 2: to not only get rid of them in terms of
Speaker 2: being responsible for consequential decision making, but you know they'll
Speaker 2: still be out there talking. President Trump appropriately referred to
Speaker 2: this group of folks as the profits of Doom. They've
Speaker 2: been around since the beginning of time. There's some famous
Speaker 2: ones in the Bible. And all you have to know
Speaker 2: is that they're always pushing the same socialist styled solutions
Speaker 2: to whatever the doomsday prophecy is. And that's the case
Speaker 2: with climate change. Yes, you know there was. I worked
Speaker 2: for a senator from Oklahoma for quite some time and
Speaker 2: he used to reference a quote that they want to
Speaker 2: control carbon because if you control carbon, you can control life,
Speaker 2: And that truly is what they are after.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then that that's the the controlling carbon in
Speaker 1: the name of well saving us all on the planet.
Speaker 1: That's the why that was created to serve the interest
Speaker 1: of the real motivation, the real religion, which is socialism, communism, Marxism,
Speaker 1: or just literal top down control from some collective of
Speaker 1: powerful elite over our lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right, because you know, they know better
Speaker 2: than us, that's what they think. And if they're going
Speaker 2: to destroy the economy, they have to be doing it
Speaker 2: for a good reason, so they still feel like good people.
Speaker 2: And that's that's hence all the problytizing about about you know,
Speaker 2: how to be how to be a better citizen, and
Speaker 2: we're all in this together in some of this language.
Speaker 2: But the truth is, none of that's necessary to have
Speaker 2: a healthy thriving in environment and general public. We know
Speaker 2: this because we took a totally different approach during the
Speaker 2: Trump administration. We cut regulations, we gave people freedom back,
Speaker 2: we gave people financial investments back. And what happened. The
Speaker 2: economy boomed, and the way that you measure pollutants, whether
Speaker 2: it's clean air, clean water, or cleaning up legacy pollution
Speaker 2: in the soil. We continued to break records on all fronts.
Speaker 1: So we know.
Speaker 2: How to balance the two. We know how to do
Speaker 2: it successful. And you know what, it doesn't require you
Speaker 2: giving up your individual liberties and rights to some morally
Speaker 2: inept elite in Washington, DC that wants to tell you
Speaker 2: what to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, we could take all the efforts
Speaker 1: we want to get rid of carbon or fill in
Speaker 1: the blank on whatever other pollutant they claim that we're producing,
Speaker 1: and we could do it all day long and succeed
Speaker 1: in meeting zero mission standard, which means we will probably
Speaker 1: not have electricity. Meanwhile, China continues to belch out more
Speaker 1: than we have taken out of the pl and increases
Speaker 1: the amount every single day. I'm sorry, but the globe
Speaker 1: is one single set of air and we're all breathing,
Speaker 1: and so our efforts are negated by our enemy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. Well, and that therein lies the key
Speaker 2: problem with the so called Paris Climate Accord. And one
Speaker 2: of the first things I worked on with President Trump
Speaker 2: and getting out was that disastrous deal. And it's because
Speaker 2: it's it's all the bonus burden financial pain falls in
Speaker 2: the United States. Meanwhile, it gives not only countries like
Speaker 2: China a free pass, but also India and Russia and
Speaker 2: their environmental standards. Maybe they look good on a piece
Speaker 2: of paper, but they have no intentions or seriousness about
Speaker 2: implementing them in ways that tangibly matter. If you truly
Speaker 2: care about global health or a better.
Speaker 1: Environment, well, and it's in their best interest to do
Speaker 1: whatever the hell they want while we weaken ourselves by
Speaker 1: cutting our own throats in the name of well saving
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. You know, as we suppress development,
Speaker 2: lose jobs and investment here in the United States, that
Speaker 2: demand does not go away. It just reservices somewhere else,
Speaker 2: and it's going to most likely resurface in a place
Speaker 2: like China where it's cheap. But it's cheap because they
Speaker 2: cut corners. And if you care about pollution, let's talk
Speaker 2: about traditional particulate matter pollution, soot, fine soot. China, you
Speaker 2: rightfully reference they're building a new coal plant just about
Speaker 2: every week. They just propose a coal plant development plan
Speaker 2: outlook where they're going to have the largest coal fleet
Speaker 2: in the world. But the problem is the coal plants
Speaker 2: that they're building, they don't use pollution control devices. Are
Speaker 2: coal plants in the United States have been using for
Speaker 2: years well.
Speaker 1: And the mandates on the scrubbing technology and the carbon
Speaker 1: removal technology are extraordinarily expensive. So the extent you could
Speaker 1: meet the EPA's onerous demands and removing carbon from the
Speaker 1: coal plant, you probably go out of business trying to
Speaker 1: accomplish that goal. So it's not even an option. Ergo,
Speaker 1: the coal plant doesn't get built.
Speaker 2: That's right. They like to take a million dollar problem
Speaker 2: and turn it into a billion dollar liability, and that
Speaker 2: is how EPA uses itself, and it's become a tool
Speaker 2: of the left where they use the role of EPA
Speaker 2: to squeeze out the industries and people that have fallen
Speaker 2: out of political favor. And cold fired power plants gas
Speaker 2: fired power plants are traditional energy resources. They've been front
Speaker 2: and center in that receipt of the weaponization of agencies
Speaker 2: like EPA and the Department of Interior, not because it
Speaker 2: makes sense from a policy perspective, but it makes sense
Speaker 2: from a political perspective by virtue of the left.
Speaker 1: My guest today, author of y'all Fired Southern Bill's Guide
Speaker 1: to Restoring Federalism, Draining the Swamp, manny Gna Sakara Okay,
Speaker 1: let's cut to the chase you talk about in chapter
Speaker 1: four of your book about firing career employees. Very challenging problem.
Speaker 1: There are rules and REGs in place regarding higher and
Speaker 1: firing a federal employee. So let's talk about that. Assuming
Speaker 1: you know, we all get our dream and not only
Speaker 1: do we cut out useless redundancies in government and just
Speaker 1: forever get rid of departments in restocking and re employing
Speaker 1: fired employees who are so politically biased that they can't
Speaker 1: do their job effectively for the American people. How do
Speaker 1: we replace them? Are there people out there that reject
Speaker 1: this nonsense, would actually do their job without being politically
Speaker 1: biased and harming the American people.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think a lot of the jobs that
Speaker 2: we propose to cut, we just don't replace. Because the
Speaker 2: truth is, the federal government, especially at the agency level,
Speaker 2: it should shrink by at least thirty percent, if not
Speaker 2: forty to fifty. And that's going to be really important.
Speaker 2: A day one exercise for the next conservative administration will
Speaker 2: really need to be filtering all the jobs and offices
Speaker 2: at various agencies and determining which ones tangibly could tangibly
Speaker 2: promote and implement the agency's state admission and wish ones
Speaker 2: do not, and the ones that do not are superfluous.
Speaker 2: They need to go. But then, yeah, getting rid of
Speaker 2: political hacks that sent under this umbrella of public servant
Speaker 2: but actually undermine the direction the political direction of anyone
Speaker 2: that they disagree. Experience this firsthand with President Trump. Not
Speaker 2: only do they disagree, they will go out of their
Speaker 2: way to demean, discredit, and demoralize the political appointees trying
Speaker 2: to implement that vision. So to the extent there needs
Speaker 2: to be some replacement. Another concept that I think is
Speaker 2: really important is moving portions of the federal agency out
Speaker 2: of DC so that you can pull from a broader
Speaker 2: grouping of potential employees people that would like to work
Speaker 2: for the EPA or Interior. They've actually been in the field,
Speaker 2: have really great expertise that they could bring in, but
Speaker 2: they don't want to live in DC. And I understand,
Speaker 2: I don't live there anymore. I wouldn't wish that on anyoney.
Speaker 2: But if you move these outside of DC, then you
Speaker 2: can pull from a broader collection of experience and knowledge
Speaker 2: and where folks are from, which I think would really
Speaker 2: help improve the outcomes of various agencies.
Speaker 1: Imagine using the Internet, email, text communications, zoom conference calls
Speaker 1: where you can participate from anywhere in the globe and
Speaker 1: still get your job done effectively. I love the idea
Speaker 1: of diversifying people out of the greater DC area, which
Speaker 1: is obviously infested with this disease. I like to call
Speaker 1: liberalism anyway, I doubt in the final analysis. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is an uphill challenge because it's not just the
Speaker 1: woke left Democrats. I mean, we've got some problems within
Speaker 1: the Republican Party as well. You have to really truly
Speaker 1: stick your neck out to make these bold assertions in
Speaker 1: the face of this brainwashing that's gone on. Mandy, how
Speaker 1: do we address that?
Speaker 2: Well, we're not alone. We're not alone as a conservative movement.
Speaker 2: We have the courageous, fearless leader we need at this moment,
Speaker 2: which is President Donald Trump. But we also have assistance
Speaker 2: from other industries. I'm talking about Elon Musk and a
Speaker 2: lot of the tech folks that two have stepped up
Speaker 2: and said, hey, there's something wrong with a federal government
Speaker 2: that wants to sensor speech and wants to take over
Speaker 2: the public square platforms. Because it's harder for them to
Speaker 2: otherwise maintain political control. There's a convergence of folks even
Speaker 2: from RFK Junior and from the Vek Ramaswami all over
Speaker 2: that are coming out of the woodwork. So I'd say
Speaker 2: that momentum is coming together. It's swelling at a really
Speaker 2: good time. But I like your question because it denotes
Speaker 2: a tone of realism, and that's what we have to have.
Speaker 2: This isn't going to be solved in one administration. This
Speaker 2: is a long term commitment. But I would allude to
Speaker 2: something that's happened before we could do it again. Look
Speaker 2: at the Supreme Court, So that was a bastion of
Speaker 2: liberalism and judicial activism, and a long term, methodical, well resourced,
Speaker 2: well planned strategy is how we ultimately got the opportunity
Speaker 2: to restore it back to its small, sy conservative routes.
Speaker 2: And we did that as as a as a coalition.
Speaker 2: So we've just got to stay the course, stay committed.
Speaker 2: But we really need some key shifting, uh path shifting
Speaker 2: decisions made in this next administration, and a lot of
Speaker 2: that's going to come down to whether or not President
Speaker 2: Trump wins the election. I think he will, and then
Speaker 2: the plan that he starts implementing from day one. But
Speaker 2: there's a lot of folks who have thought critically about
Speaker 2: this are ready to go and committed to this long
Speaker 2: term process.
Speaker 1: Well, I know you're familiar with the West Virginia versus
Speaker 1: EBA decision, which I thought was brilliant and wonderful. Going
Speaker 1: to pair back the out of control authors of all
Speaker 1: these rules and regulations behind the scene, you have to
Speaker 1: have a specific authority from Congress. So that and other
Speaker 1: decisions along those lines are probably are the reason that
Speaker 1: they want to pack the Supreme Court the left. I
Speaker 1: got a interesting thought process, a thought question before we
Speaker 1: part coming today, Mandy. If they if let's say the
Speaker 1: type of thing, if they passed a court packing law
Speaker 1: in this particular administration, and then Trump won and the
Speaker 1: Republicans took over the House and sent it, how comical
Speaker 1: would it be that the Republicans would then appoint the
Speaker 1: additional justices to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: You know what, It wouldn't be the first time they're
Speaker 2: playing backfire. And remember when Harry Reid pulled the two
Speaker 2: thirds dearnment for Supreme Court justices, you know, shot, really
Speaker 2: the first.
Speaker 1: Time this shotenfreud of moment that was uh many, you
Speaker 1: got us the car. It has been a real pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thanks you for writing the book, y'all, a Southern Bell's
Speaker 1: guide restoring Federalism and draining the Trump We just scratched
Speaker 1: the surface of what's in this book. Folks get a
Speaker 1: copy of fifty five care Sea dot com along with
Speaker 1: the podcast of this conversation. Mandy, keep up the great
Speaker 1: work and hope to see you as part of the
Speaker 1: Trump administration.
Speaker 2: God willing, Well, thank you so much. It really was
Speaker 2: a pleasure to be with you this morning.
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