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Speaker 2: top ten Marvel TV shows.
Speaker 1: Now, this is not just limited to the MCU.
Speaker 2: You've got so there's a plethora of Marvel TV shows
Speaker 2: throughout and we're just gonna go give our list kind
Speaker 2: of cross the reference, see with things that we have
Speaker 2: the same, what's different, and go from there. So, mister Hines,
Speaker 2: as our guest, I will let you start off if
Speaker 2: you have any honorable mentions.
Speaker 1: You're needed, sir.
Speaker 3: I have four honorable mentions, David. I was going to say, like,
Speaker 3: what're we going to leave this for just before the
Speaker 3: end or now? Which is good? I have Miss Marvel, Legion,
Speaker 3: X Men, Evolution and what If as my honorable mentions.
Speaker 2: Nice, I have three honorable mentions. I have What If
Speaker 2: as well, Luke Cage and Ultimate Spider Man.
Speaker 3: That first season Luke Cage was really good. Like I
Speaker 3: had a hard time balancing some of this stuff if,
Speaker 3: like they had one good season one bad like Jessica
Speaker 3: Jones didn't make the list, but the first season that
Speaker 3: was really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if Luke Cage could have just stuck that landing
Speaker 2: just a little bit, I think it would be be
Speaker 2: higher on my list. But yeah, go ahead with your
Speaker 2: number ten.
Speaker 3: No, I want to say too that this can go.
Speaker 3: This show could fall off my top ten depending on
Speaker 3: how this next season goes because it's only here right now.
Speaker 3: It was Daredevil Born Again, and there's a distinction for me.
Speaker 3: I don't account it as one full property, and you'll
Speaker 3: see that later on down the line, So Daredevil boor again.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed them jumping back into it. I had
Speaker 3: some qualms about some of the stuff that we saw,
Speaker 3: but for the most part, I really enjoyed seeing Daredevil
Speaker 3: back something I didn't think was going to happen. So
Speaker 3: that alone made me happy. And just him and King
Speaker 3: Pan just getting more scenes with those two people, those
Speaker 3: two characters and the actors that play them, Yeah, top
Speaker 3: notche So that got to make my list.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 2: We got just under two weeks until season two returns
Speaker 2: and all of it's glory and greatness, and I'm hoping
Speaker 2: that they can.
Speaker 1: Write that momentum.
Speaker 2: They had a couple of stumbles with the first season
Speaker 2: of Born Again, but I think that for the stumbles
Speaker 2: that they made, the stuff with Mews and other things,
Speaker 2: I think that they did amazing job bringing back Frank
Speaker 2: Castle and some of the other aspects of it. The
Speaker 2: way that the camera would change with Matt's vision or
Speaker 2: listening and honing skills changing like that was super cool.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was definitely a good one.
Speaker 3: Yes, And people complain about it, like we're not watching
Speaker 3: Iron Fists or anything here, let's relax. We don't have
Speaker 3: Tot's sit through the Meachum's boardrooms and stuff like god
Speaker 3: knows how lone. That's why when people complain, I ever,
Speaker 3: how bad it was at one point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, all right, my number ten and I'm
Speaker 2: going to start off in the animated realm is the
Speaker 2: Spectacular Spider Man.
Speaker 3: Ooh, I give you credits for that, and I may
Speaker 3: discussed some of that later.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was such a fan of this show, and I
Speaker 2: am sad that it only got tea seasons. I feel
Speaker 2: like there could have been so much more with it.
Speaker 2: But like with most Spider Man animated shows, like they
Speaker 2: don't really get to live out.
Speaker 1: Their story very well. But man, the animation was fun.
Speaker 2: It felt like it had a lot of tones that
Speaker 2: felt true to the Spider Man lore and really just
Speaker 2: based off of the old school stuff with stan Lee
Speaker 2: and John Romita Senior, just really diving into like that
Speaker 2: good age of amazing Spider Man comics.
Speaker 3: Oh I love it again. I can't wait to talk
Speaker 3: about it a little bit dead in the line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, it's number nine for you.
Speaker 3: Number nine for me is the Defenders. This was something
Speaker 3: that I could not wait for when it was like
Speaker 3: leading up to this, And I still think that their
Speaker 3: highway fight is one of the better action scenes that
Speaker 3: we've gotten. And yeah, I think that all the characters
Speaker 3: miss well, like when Matt finally puts on the costume
Speaker 3: and interrogates that guy. It's all super cool. I just
Speaker 3: loved it. I thought it was excellent and I didn't
Speaker 3: have as much issues with it as most people. I
Speaker 3: thought that was it was great. It was not dar deevil,
Speaker 3: but still I thought it was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another one of those shows where you know people.
Speaker 1: Either really really love it or really really hate it.
Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed it. I love Sigourney Weaver in that show,
Speaker 1: like I liked a lot.
Speaker 2: In my mind, that is the best version of Iron
Speaker 2: Fist that we had in there. You know, he was
Speaker 2: a lot less whiny than normal. He still had his moments,
Speaker 2: but the working together as a team was great.
Speaker 3: David, I think he's he's shining the best when he
Speaker 3: was whenever he was Ryan Luke Cage, Like I think
Speaker 3: he said those two actors and that that that really
Speaker 3: worked well. I wish we would have got a hero
Speaker 3: more of a heroes for hire, but even seeing them
Speaker 3: together in their their own shows, I thought that was
Speaker 3: great too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was this good episode of great ending to
Speaker 2: the series, like and it led very well into continuing
Speaker 2: thing with that. Uh when the moments between Matt and Jessica,
Speaker 2: like them arguing over him wearing a scarf on his
Speaker 2: head and he's like, you look ridiculous and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: it's your scarf. Like those moments between those two characters, Like,
Speaker 2: I really.
Speaker 3: Liked it, and that's why she's coming back, Like that's
Speaker 3: definitely why.
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, my number nine is against staying
Speaker 2: animated Wolverine and the X Men.
Speaker 3: I've been putting that one out there too. I was
Speaker 3: gonna put my album Mentions, but I put X Men
Speaker 3: Evolution there instead. Yeah.
Speaker 1: X Men Evolutions is a great one.
Speaker 2: Put Wolverine and the X Men, like it had an
Speaker 2: entirely different tone and set up to it. You start
Speaker 2: off with this big explosion, Charles Xavier's missing Wolverine's you know,
Speaker 2: like leading this the way that and a lot of
Speaker 2: different things. We've had the X Men listed as a whole,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people just gravitated towards Wolverine and
Speaker 2: this one it's like, all right, here we are. We're
Speaker 2: giving you a Wolverine project with the X Men involved.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I absolutely loved it. I love the animation
Speaker 2: style of it. Stephen Bloom as the voice of Wolverine
Speaker 2: is always amazing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that is sitting right now at my number nine.
Speaker 3: And much like your previous one died too soon like
Speaker 3: was and at Fire too soon, like still had so
Speaker 3: much meat on that bone for story. It was so sad.
Speaker 3: So my number eight is I'm going to stay in
Speaker 3: the world of animation and it's your friendly neighborhood spoder Man.
Speaker 3: I absolutely adored the series. I adored how it was animated,
Speaker 3: the way it looked, the whole story I thought was great.
Speaker 3: How it came back to spoder Man basically making his
Speaker 3: own origin story. I just thought that was pretty pretty fun.
Speaker 3: And just how he talked to Doctor strainswand after, but
Speaker 3: everything about the like the way they went with Lonnie
Speaker 3: like I just every character was treated really good and
Speaker 3: it was a really enjoyable show and I can't wait
Speaker 3: for the next season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that show.
Speaker 2: I have rewatched it once fully already. I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to where they go next. I have a feeling with
Speaker 2: where I think they're going to go that it will
Speaker 2: move up on my list very quickly and very highly
Speaker 2: if they continue this trajectory for season two.
Speaker 3: Agreed, Agreed, all right.
Speaker 1: Number eight for me is Jessica Jones.
Speaker 2: That there is definitely some points of this show that falter,
Speaker 2: but as a whole it is just amazing. And I
Speaker 2: mean just you can watch season one, especially be hooked
Speaker 2: and going back that helps cover up some of the
Speaker 2: falters of the rest of the season. I think my
Speaker 2: biggest gripe about Jessica Jones was her sister and her
Speaker 2: sister's character arc that just increasingly annoyed me. But I
Speaker 2: could get over that because all the other moments were
Speaker 2: super cool. Jessica really got a good time to shine
Speaker 2: her smartassness, her wittiness, everything about this character was amazing.
Speaker 3: So I would listen to anyone's argument that this was
Speaker 3: the best season one, was the best season of Marvel Television,
Speaker 3: like I listened to any arguments that anyone might have.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'd agree, but there's definitely a
Speaker 3: case to be made for that first season, Like it
Speaker 3: was amazing, especially the villain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, David Tennant did an amazing job in this show.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I loved her character.
Speaker 2: I love the arts that they took her on, just
Speaker 2: everything about like her smart ass in miss just she
Speaker 2: was and she had that strong powerfulness to her with
Speaker 2: everything that was going on, this stuff with in subsequent seasons,
Speaker 2: with her mom and everything like that, finding out more
Speaker 2: about her past and where she came from. It was
Speaker 2: just it was good stuff. And for that to be
Speaker 2: Daredevil came out very strong with their thing. But then
Speaker 2: to pivot to go to Jessica Jones, who is a
Speaker 2: much less known character in the mainstream community, and then
Speaker 2: have her just knock it out the park like that
Speaker 2: was really good.
Speaker 3: And yes, she really got big, like she really like
Speaker 3: that first season, like she was like I remember that
Speaker 3: exploding and people love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My number, what are we doing? Number six is seven seven? Yes,
Speaker 3: seven seven is Loki. So people might be shocked at
Speaker 3: how low Loki is on my list, but you if
Speaker 3: you did in Factory and Animation, it would be this
Speaker 3: would be the third highest live action show that I
Speaker 3: have here, so uh bit a hint of what's coming
Speaker 3: is coming. But I really enjoyed this. The two seasons
Speaker 3: are really good, both of them. Like it's not a foul,
Speaker 3: It's not that much as a file off, and the
Speaker 3: connection I did not know I would love the connection
Speaker 3: between Loki and Mostby as much as the Sorry Morbious
Speaker 3: as Mobius Sorry as much as I did like I
Speaker 3: I absolutely like, I'm here for that whole and I'm
Speaker 3: said that we might not ever see them together again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would go ahead and just sit right now.
Speaker 2: That's actually number seven on my list as well, So
Speaker 2: we are we are right in line with the like again.
Speaker 2: I love that Tom Hidlson returning, having this new but
Speaker 2: not new version of Loki, like his interactions with Sylvie first,
Speaker 2: the tension like leading up through season one and then
Speaker 2: coming back for season two.
Speaker 1: I really like the stuff that they did.
Speaker 2: It's unfortunate on multiple levels what happened with Jonathan Majors,
Speaker 2: because I feel like from an actor and TV show perspective,
Speaker 2: they had amazing chemistry. They were really going somewhere. The
Speaker 2: art itself was good art. Now the man and everything
Speaker 2: outside of that. You got to pay your pennons for
Speaker 2: the actions that you take in life. Completely understandable, and
Speaker 2: I stand by Marvel and Disney one hundred percent with that.
Speaker 2: But for the art itself, those gentlemen had great chemistry.
Speaker 2: The show is really going somewhere, and I love the
Speaker 2: way that this series ended because it could take Loki
Speaker 2: the character as a whole and put him him back
Speaker 2: in the NCU with real stakes to be brought back
Speaker 2: in for something else.
Speaker 3: I think he's didn't put it back in to be
Speaker 3: sacrificed in one of these movies to screwing up. But
Speaker 3: we'll see about that. Uh yeah, again, we both are right.
Speaker 3: It's such a good show. The next one for me
Speaker 3: is Spider Man and the animated series that had to
Speaker 3: go on there. It was my first basic introduction to Marvel,
Speaker 3: and not only just like Marvel Spider Man, but I
Speaker 3: got the whole shebang from that. Like you got to
Speaker 3: see the X Men, you got to see I think
Speaker 3: spot I watched spoder Man first and then X Men.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure maybe I watched one or two X
Speaker 3: Men episodes, but not like watching it weekly. I watched
Speaker 3: spoder Man weekly. And yeah it was. I still it's
Speaker 3: the voice I hear when I read the comics. Still
Speaker 3: to me to this day is that Spider Man and
Speaker 3: Peter Parker. And yeah, I know when you watch it
Speaker 3: back now, some of the stuff a little silly with
Speaker 3: the like blasters and guns, but it still is not
Speaker 3: too bad, it doesn't it. Basically that final season the
Speaker 3: story arcs that they went off on and like doing
Speaker 3: basically they did into the spoder Verse before into the
Speaker 3: spoder Verse, which again I love it, And yeah, it
Speaker 3: introduced me to so many new ideas like and different
Speaker 3: ideas envirable that I had no idea but as a
Speaker 3: young kid. So yeah, it definitely still holds a nostalgia
Speaker 3: a stride in this pick. But yes, I still love
Speaker 3: it all.
Speaker 1: Right, listeners, I want to say this.
Speaker 2: Eight hours ago I got a message that said, I
Speaker 2: don't think there will be much overlap. Yeah, I say
Speaker 2: that to say My next pick is also Spider Man,
Speaker 2: the animated series.
Speaker 3: And we did not compare this before. I had no
Speaker 3: idea what is on his list? That's hilarious.
Speaker 1: That show made my childhood.
Speaker 2: I collected the figures, that's how like I learned about
Speaker 2: so many things that you had the clon saw, you
Speaker 2: had the stuff with Ben Riley, the other there were
Speaker 2: some moments that, you know, we're a little bit out
Speaker 2: of out of left field, and there were some moments
Speaker 2: that were a little bit cheesy, you know, this stuff
Speaker 2: with hydro Mary Jane and things like that, So that
Speaker 2: there were some moments, but as a kid watching this
Speaker 2: growing up, it was just it was everything that I wanted.
Speaker 1: At the time.
Speaker 2: I was eight years old when this show started for me,
Speaker 2: so I was all in that. This was how I
Speaker 2: spent my time just watching this.
Speaker 1: And then that.
Speaker 2: Theme song was just incredible and and still is today.
Speaker 3: So let's also not forget how amazing the alien costume
Speaker 3: three Poder was in that first season. Like that I
Speaker 3: was like, what is it like a black Spider Man,
Speaker 3: Like what, Like he's bigger and bad, more badass than
Speaker 3: the original spot. This is awesome, Like and how he
Speaker 3: terrorized him. Oh my god, what a conclusion for that
Speaker 3: first season it was. It was awesome. Yeah, I can't
Speaker 3: believe you picked that. That's hilarious. Yeah, I believe number.
Speaker 2: As the kid who was at the time was only
Speaker 2: sporadically being able to get my hands on comics and
Speaker 2: things like that at the time, Like without this show,
Speaker 2: I would not have known of the Hobgoblin, I would
Speaker 2: not have known of Alistair smythe all these different things.
Speaker 1: I mean, you.
Speaker 2: Had Kingpin looking big and brutish, and that is the
Speaker 2: tone for which like all Kingpins after that were just
Speaker 2: like you know that that look right there, you had
Speaker 2: the only good version of Michael Morbius.
Speaker 3: Had to have the suckers in his hands. But yeah,
Speaker 3: because that's that wouldn't happen if this was made nowadays,
Speaker 3: because you wouldn't have to like you could kind of
Speaker 3: show it, well, you wouldn't need to show it, but
Speaker 3: you wouldn't have to say that he didn't drink blood.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but again, it's it stands to tested how
Speaker 3: I've been my opinion.
Speaker 2: And the amount of crossovers that this show had, the
Speaker 2: amount of other stars that got pulled into it.
Speaker 3: It was the first shared universe, It's virals animated universe,
Speaker 3: And yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: So that that definitely ranks it up there. It's it's
Speaker 2: a nostalgia pick for sure, but it is a good
Speaker 2: pick because I mean that that show is really just
Speaker 2: really amazing.
Speaker 3: Yes, but it pains me to say my number five.
Speaker 3: I watched it later. I didn't think it would be better,
Speaker 3: but when I watched it, I was thoroughly impressive. Avengers
Speaker 3: Earth's Mighty as heroes. It's easily the best Avengers take
Speaker 3: in my opinion, and there isn't a wasted episode, the
Speaker 3: fact that they're all separate and bring them together kind
Speaker 3: of like the movie did. Uh and yeah, there's not
Speaker 3: a bad voice actor again, really enjoyed it and it
Speaker 3: ended too soon. Another one knows that it's just like
Speaker 3: Spectacular spot and died at the altar of the Disney
Speaker 3: acquisition of the Marivel stuff, and Sony lost the rights
Speaker 3: to live action just like Spacular powder Man, and they
Speaker 3: went with Avengers Assembled, which is somewhat enjoyable but just
Speaker 3: a very big downgrade from Avengers Earth Mony Heroes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am screenshotting and sending you something on Twitter
Speaker 2: just for uh the proof of its sake. Don't open
Speaker 2: it now. But yeah, that is actually next on my
Speaker 2: list as well. So that's three in a row where we.
Speaker 4: Have absolutely in sync, and I'm sending you a timestamp
Speaker 4: proof that that that is exactly where.
Speaker 3: I just said the same thing. I just did to you.
Speaker 3: So yeah that I hours ago my time stamp.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I like that, know like it was.
Speaker 1: It was so great.
Speaker 2: I liked both Avengers shows that were put out, but
Speaker 2: this one just it resonated with me a lot more.
Speaker 2: I love the design of the costumes that gave it
Speaker 2: that that real comic book feel, especially Thor, Like I
Speaker 2: love Thorn. He had the heat, the cape, and the
Speaker 2: broad shoulders.
Speaker 3: Coming iteration of Hulk. Ever, like best version of Hulk
Speaker 3: I've seen in any live action or animation is the best.
Speaker 2: Yes, So like I I was a huge fan of that.
Speaker 2: A good showing by like the way that they did
Speaker 2: Clinton Barton and everyone else. And if I remember correctly,
Speaker 2: like this predates the the the full on Avengers. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I said, I I very much enjoyed it. I enjoyed
Speaker 2: their their battles with Loki and Enchantress and everything else,
Speaker 2: and coming out of that, and then we had Doctor Doom,
Speaker 2: we had Red Skull and all these other aspects of
Speaker 2: stuff that they have things that they haven't got to
Speaker 2: do on the big screen, but they really got to
Speaker 2: have those centralized stories. It's a shame that it didn't
Speaker 2: last much longer. But we got fifty two episodes, I
Speaker 2: think of it, so you know, if you got time,
Speaker 2: go ahead and rewatch it.
Speaker 1: It's a great show.
Speaker 3: Yeah again, it just it makes me hard. It makes
Speaker 3: hard for me to enjoy vendor dissembled, knowing that they
Speaker 3: just scrap this show to make that show more kid
Speaker 3: friendly show instead of doing the same thing that X
Speaker 3: Men the Animated series and stuff did for us when
Speaker 3: we were younger, which was multiple episodes, story arc and
Speaker 3: trying to make it like the storytelling a bit higher
Speaker 3: up for you. Yep. Okay, so what are we on now?
Speaker 3: We're getting through this list. Okay, so we don't we're
Speaker 3: not sharing it, Okay, So for me, the next one
Speaker 3: is X Men the Animated Series slash X Men ninety seven.
Speaker 3: I'm combining them because you have a continuation and it
Speaker 3: is not like Daredevil. It's not too distinctly different, like
Speaker 3: the characters still do the same things. Everything still applies.
Speaker 3: There's no like some of this stuff, like we talked
Speaker 3: about some of this, we don't. So yeah, I love
Speaker 3: the X Men ninety seven A shock that how good
Speaker 3: it was. It's pleasantly surprised, as listeners can remember on
Speaker 3: some of the episodes that I joined you guys to
Speaker 3: talk about this stuff with Marvel Alliance, and yeah, I
Speaker 3: can't wait for this next season. It's a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff that could happen. And I one of my factor fictions.
Speaker 2: Pertains to that, Yeah, X Men ninety seven is on
Speaker 2: my list.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit.
Speaker 2: Uh higher up, but yeah, it's it's X Men and
Speaker 2: X Men ninety seven together. It's just it is an
Speaker 2: incredible show. I remember having the Quinjet as a toy
Speaker 2: and collecting them and like, again, this was.
Speaker 1: All I was into.
Speaker 2: You had the old school, the suits that just looked
Speaker 2: so comic accurate, and all these various storylines. They went
Speaker 2: everywhere with their storylines. If you go back and watch
Speaker 2: it now, especially if you watch the original X Men series,
Speaker 2: it is fun because you can kind of see some
Speaker 2: of the lapses and animation where they made some shortcuts,
Speaker 2: so you will see a still frame and then like
Speaker 2: a cutout of a mouth moving and things like that.
Speaker 2: But I mean, it's it's still a fun show to
Speaker 2: watch to this day. Made me really fall in love
Speaker 2: with a lot of characters even more and want to
Speaker 2: get more involved with the X Men from just seeing
Speaker 2: these I'm like, I remember vividly still the first time
Speaker 2: Morph came back and it was just like.
Speaker 1: Oh, man, where are we going from here?
Speaker 3: So the Phoenix saga done the best in that so far. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's again, it's it stands at test of time, those
Speaker 3: two shows. It's lined with Batman, the animated series. It's
Speaker 3: just there's just a little higher level for some of
Speaker 3: the stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Number four for me is WandaVision. I remember watching this
Speaker 2: and just being blown away each week by what they
Speaker 2: were doing. I was it was new, it was fresh,
Speaker 2: it was something that we hadn't seen from Marvel, but
Speaker 2: it in the grand scheme of things, it made sense
Speaker 2: with that character and where they were going. Like you
Speaker 2: had the funny moments, you had the fourth wall breaking moments.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll even excuse the whole Ralph Boner thing, but.
Speaker 1: Astead of that, like it was great.
Speaker 2: But then you have Catherine Hahn, who was just amazing
Speaker 2: in this show for someone that will us started out
Speaker 2: the first couple episodes of oh this is the funny sidekick,
Speaker 2: never too evolving to Agatha and the climactic battle is
Speaker 2: just like, man, this is so so good. And then
Speaker 2: the things that that show dealt with the moments between
Speaker 2: Vision and Wanda, the grief, everlasting speech, like all these things.
Speaker 2: Just it was a great show and Marvel that they
Speaker 2: took a risk with how they were doing this, but
Speaker 2: I think that risk definitely paid off.
Speaker 3: Oh I agree, I didn't. It didn't make my top
Speaker 3: ten list, but I I didn't enjoy all of it,
Speaker 3: but I didn't enjoy some of it, but I can
Speaker 3: recognize how well done it was and how unique it
Speaker 3: was for Marvel and the MCU. So yeah, you got
Speaker 3: to give it as flowers for sure. Yeah. My number
Speaker 3: three is the Punisher, And I don't know if I
Speaker 3: need to say a whole lot more ut the Punisher
Speaker 3: because is that great. John Burnhal really nailed this iteration
Speaker 3: of the character. And yeah, I can't wait to see
Speaker 3: what we get going forward with that character, with the
Speaker 3: special feature and seeing him show up in Brand New
Speaker 3: Day which trailer leaks. Half the trailer leaks right watcher
Speaker 3: on the internet people, So not in full trailer, just
Speaker 3: half of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Punishers my number three as well, Like that's another
Speaker 2: one that we are definitely aligned on. I was always
Speaker 2: a fan of Thomas James Punisher the same movie with
Speaker 2: John Travolta, and for the longest time, I was like, man,
Speaker 2: that really invited the punish her. And then this came along,
Speaker 2: and everything you can tell John Burnhal like you hear
Speaker 2: him in interviews, but you can just tell by his
Speaker 2: performance like he cares about this character. He cared about
Speaker 2: making it right, he cared about making it layered, so
Speaker 2: it's not just the crazy killer man with you know,
Speaker 2: the guns and the van and everything. I was like,
Speaker 2: he added a whole lot of depth to this character,
Speaker 2: from him playing off of Gared Devil and their show
Speaker 2: to then having his own, and they're just an amazing
Speaker 2: set pieces with the shootout scenes and the actions him
Speaker 2: when he jumps out the van, takes off the jacket
Speaker 2: and he yells Russo at season two when they're robbing
Speaker 2: the bank, like all these great moments. You had these
Speaker 2: other threats and storylines going with Agent Mundani.
Speaker 1: And other things like that. Like, it was just a really,
Speaker 1: really good show.
Speaker 3: And one of the major lessons I learned was never
Speaker 3: not make Frank a sandwich. If there's not there to
Speaker 3: make a sandwich, he's gonna want a sandwich. That was
Speaker 3: one of the times that just laughs is out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: It was Oh and I just love two of those
Speaker 3: guys interacting, So yeah, I really love that show too,
Speaker 3: So good choice for three. My number two is gonna
Speaker 3: be different because you've already used it and it's easily
Speaker 3: the best Marvel animated thing that's existed, and it is.
Speaker 3: I never thought i'd say it until I watched this
Speaker 3: a few years ago for the first time. Throughout the
Speaker 3: full way through Spectacular spoder Man, It's outstanding. They were
Speaker 3: great in all of the storylines. This is basically their
Speaker 3: first their training gears before they went to Young Justice.
Speaker 3: I think the same people who did this did Young Justice,
Speaker 3: so that one was great as well. And I just
Speaker 3: say it because I wish we could have seen how
Speaker 3: more of these storylines would have played out going forward,
Speaker 3: and the fact that this was another one of the
Speaker 3: awesome animea shows that was just tossed to a side
Speaker 3: when Disney acquired Marvel. It just makes me sad sometimes
Speaker 3: that we got another version. Although my son loves spoder
Speaker 3: Man and his amazing friends or Spotty his Botty and
Speaker 3: his friends, so I guess this thing's going to stop
Speaker 3: the right But yeah, I love this show. It was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said I said earlier, just such a great show,
Speaker 2: which we would have had more of it, but yeah,
Speaker 2: all awesome show. My number two we've already talked about
Speaker 2: it is x Men the animated series. Again just building
Speaker 2: off of the shared universe that was started within Uh
Speaker 2: Spider Man the animated series. You had some great I
Speaker 2: absolutely love the crossover episode of Old Soldiers with Wolverine
Speaker 2: and Captain America.
Speaker 3: Animation style was a bit better. I think that was
Speaker 3: one of the different animation houses that they use, but
Speaker 3: again I love that story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just telling you know some of the old things
Speaker 2: with that, so many other great stories with been hearing
Speaker 2: how they took stuff and from the comic books and
Speaker 2: translated it through.
Speaker 1: You had the Jim Leyard style like you have.
Speaker 3: The first time it was ever done because the old
Speaker 3: Batman the anime series didn't do it. They just did
Speaker 3: one episode, like nobody did four episode parts or five
Speaker 3: episodes parator three and that they were afraid the kids
Speaker 3: would lose interest, you wouldn't keep their concentration. So, like
Speaker 3: you said, this is this is a crazy show in
Speaker 3: terms of land breaking, like no other anime show tried
Speaker 3: this before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Again.
Speaker 2: The Phoenix SA lasted for the majority of season three,
Speaker 2: like for a show to go that, this is what
Speaker 2: we're gonna stick to this, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: This is my first introduction to Omega Red and I
Speaker 2: was like absolutely obsessed with that character. Afterwards, I remember
Speaker 2: like always wanting to get his toys.
Speaker 1: And stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So their trip to the Savage Land and seeing these
Speaker 2: parts of the X Men, it was just it was
Speaker 2: a great show. So from the moment it started when
Speaker 2: we meet a young Jubilee getting saved by the X
Speaker 2: Men and seeing the sacrifice of what's going on there,
Speaker 2: to everything else, Intermagneto and just all these moments where
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, this this is good stuff.
Speaker 3: The clown from Big Comfy Couch who voiced Jubilee my
Speaker 3: number one. We knew we would get here. It's Daredevil
Speaker 3: brackets Netflix. Because there is a distinction. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 3: the first season of Daredevil Born Again was not as
Speaker 3: good as some of the seasons of Daredevil on Netflix.
Speaker 3: Season two, I might be able to listen to an argument,
Speaker 3: but because that was just as much Defenders set up
Speaker 3: as anything else. But I love the first season of Daredevil.
Speaker 3: It changed the game for television comic book television. The
Speaker 3: Hollway fight scenes, the action, the one shots, and you
Speaker 3: get into season two with the Punisher, him and Punisher
Speaker 3: scene might be the one of the better comic book
Speaker 3: scenes in all television, when they're up on the roof
Speaker 3: and having that whole debate and that whole season part
Speaker 3: of that with the Punishers great. The whole hand stuff
Speaker 3: is a little bit like wacky at a certain point,
Speaker 3: but the third season is great too. So yeah, this
Speaker 3: was this was grindbreaking when it came out, and it
Speaker 3: didn't for all three seasons. I put it up against
Speaker 3: any other Marvel Live action property.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely agree.
Speaker 2: I mean I tell people all the time who have
Speaker 2: not watched it or think about watching them, like, start
Speaker 2: watching it, get through episode four. By the end of
Speaker 2: episode four, you're gonna decide whether you want to stick
Speaker 2: with it or not. Because I remember when I first
Speaker 2: watched it and you get to that car door scene
Speaker 2: with Wilson fist and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh yeah, I'm like, oh this.
Speaker 2: Is this is something else. And so all of episode
Speaker 2: one or all of season one was good. The playoff
Speaker 2: of Matt and Foggy and everything else.
Speaker 1: Those were awesome.
Speaker 2: The build up to Daredevil being in the costume it
Speaker 2: felt earned, like you got these moments that that worked
Speaker 2: up to that costume felt earn. Season too, is just
Speaker 2: it's amazing. You have the introduction of the Punisher, you
Speaker 2: have all these moments where they're in there, they're back
Speaker 2: and forth about what's right and what's wrong, and everything
Speaker 2: going on with Wilson Fist, who's in prison at this
Speaker 2: point but still leading things from behind. It again, every
Speaker 2: season had their incredible one shots, and then we have
Speaker 2: season three, the way that it ended with Bullseye and
Speaker 2: Wilson Fist and the I beat you and looking in
Speaker 2: his face and getting hauled off by the police. Like
Speaker 2: it was just it was absolutely amazing with that, and
Speaker 2: I think they did not waste any of their characters.
Speaker 2: There were times when Karen would get a little bit like,
Speaker 2: all right, what are you doing here? But then she
Speaker 2: even got a redemption. She got her own story where
Speaker 2: we learned why she is the way she is, why
Speaker 2: the stuff from season one affected her so much, her
Speaker 2: family history.
Speaker 1: It was just it was good stuff. And this was
Speaker 1: also during.
Speaker 2: The time of full day drops when Netflix would be like,
Speaker 2: here's your show, go enjoy it. We'll see in a
Speaker 2: couple of years, and so to just sit there, and
Speaker 2: I remember taking off work and watching it and just
Speaker 2: being absolutely like I gotta keep going. I gotta watch
Speaker 2: every single episode, like I don't want to walk away
Speaker 2: from this.
Speaker 3: Can I say one other things? Shout out to Brandt
Speaker 3: on his previous podcasts Fans Without Borders, where he would
Speaker 3: literally have to watch the full ten episodes of all
Speaker 3: these Marrivil Netflix shows, most of them. I think you
Speaker 3: might have end it before all of them and like
Speaker 3: get Out and podcasts about it in a couple of days,
Speaker 3: Like I was always impressed, but I had much like
Speaker 3: my job was to catch up before the podcast episode
Speaker 3: with Coup that was basically well I think, so shout
Speaker 3: out to him for that old marble eyed host.
Speaker 2: As much as I love what I do, I could
Speaker 2: not imagine a thirteen episode drop of one hour shows
Speaker 2: like it worked with. I think Echo was the last
Speaker 2: one that really did all of the episodes in one
Speaker 2: day iron Hart had to split up between theirs. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think I could do a thirteen episode drop
Speaker 2: and make that commitment and say I'm gonna knock all
Speaker 2: of these out, and I'm gonna do it more than
Speaker 2: one time, because I have to have my enjoyment viewing.
Speaker 1: Then I have to have my review viewing and get there.
Speaker 2: So shout outs to the gentlemen who've done it before
Speaker 2: me and had to get through those. But yeah, it
Speaker 2: was super amazing and it really set the tone for
Speaker 2: all of the Marvel Netflix going forward, which then you
Speaker 2: have people for years clamoring to have these characters back, like, look,
Speaker 2: we get that the next Flix thing is over, but
Speaker 2: give us these characters back. So when we first saw
Speaker 2: Matt Murdoch when in Spider Man, and people pop for that,
Speaker 2: and then oh it's coming back, is getting its own show,
Speaker 2: and now oh we're bringing John Burnhalt back. Oh we're
Speaker 2: you know, bringing other people back. You're going to have
Speaker 2: you're jes Get Jones back, and all this speculation. Now,
Speaker 2: like you can tell the impact that this show left.
Speaker 3: Oh one undred percent, and again I'm excited for season two.
Speaker 3: Can't wait for a couple of weeks to go by
Speaker 3: here now and we can get that.
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, So that is our our top ten.
Speaker 2: Like said, we we had some that were the same
Speaker 2: and some that were just ones that have fond memories
Speaker 2: of but didn't crack my top ten, and vice versus
Speaker 2: some that as we talk about it, it's just it's
Speaker 2: the remembering, like, oh man, that that was a really
Speaker 2: really good show.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So, uh, before we get into our news where you're
Speaker 2: going to take our first ad break, we want to
Speaker 2: remind listeners that we do not control the ads on
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Speaker 2: bit loud, so I'll give you a chance to turn
Speaker 2: your volume down.
Speaker 1: So here we go in three to one and we're back.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So in the news, we've had two small little news bits, uh,
Speaker 2: first of which was the I'm going to call it the.
Speaker 1: Final teaser trailer.
Speaker 2: It's not a full trailer, but it is a teaser
Speaker 2: entitled calls Trouble for Daredevil again coming out. We got
Speaker 2: just under two weeks left with that, and I'm very
Speaker 2: excited about that.
Speaker 1: So I'm going.
Speaker 2: To play this trailer for our audio listeners. There's not
Speaker 2: going to be any volume. Don't want to get any
Speaker 2: copyright strikes or anything like that, but we will look
Speaker 2: at it, talk about.
Speaker 1: It, and here we go.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 2: So it starts with a good look at both Matt
Speaker 2: in his new black suit and Jessica when she says, hey,
Speaker 2: do you want to cause some trouble? We get a
Speaker 2: nice up close shot of the double D Daredevil suit,
Speaker 2: the black and red with the red double D clearly
Speaker 2: defined on there. Cut to a shot of Bullseye in
Speaker 2: a cafe, followed by him doing something split between some
Speaker 2: incredible action shots of Bullseye and Daredevil both just doing
Speaker 2: their acrobatics and both going through and showing like, all right,
Speaker 2: this is the Bullseye we remember bouncing these things off
Speaker 2: and going.
Speaker 1: Through and it's super cool.
Speaker 2: We get a look at some other new characters from
Speaker 2: this show. Wilson Fisk, more looks at Jessica Jones in
Speaker 2: her fighting style I means she kicks a guy across
Speaker 2: the room. More shots of Wilson fist and what we
Speaker 2: presume is a celebrity boxing tournament where he just completely
Speaker 2: bludgeons a guy with his fist. We get some shots
Speaker 2: of devor Ann Wolves, Karen Page getting in on the action,
Speaker 2: More of Bullseye and Daredevil, and just a reminder that
Speaker 2: again this show is streaming on March twenty fourth, So
Speaker 2: super super excited about it. You know, they are showing that, yes,
Speaker 2: this is going to be very action heavy. There's going
Speaker 2: to be a lot of cool moments.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Like we've the fights between Daredevil and Bullseye from season
Speaker 2: three of the Netflix show to the opening fight with
Speaker 2: last season and now this one, like they they put
Speaker 2: on some good back and forth.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm excited to see this show. I tell
Speaker 3: you one thing. Another hasn't been much promotion, Like I
Speaker 3: haven't seen a whole lot, like a couple of trailers,
Speaker 3: but I haven't seen as much discussion as I would hope.
Speaker 3: So I'm very interested to see how this show is
Speaker 3: going to be. Like a season three confirmed, like they
Speaker 3: haven't filmed it yet, right.
Speaker 2: Right, as far as I know then, it is just
Speaker 2: it's been confirmed, but I haven't seen any behind the
Speaker 2: scenes stuff. I haven't seen any screens grabs or anyone
Speaker 2: who's on location and getting pictures from a high window
Speaker 2: or anything else yet. But we're definitely going to be
Speaker 2: coming back for more. I do wonder if certain rumors
Speaker 2: are true they are going to wait until after Spider
Speaker 2: Man to do some filming as so that nothing gets
Speaker 2: spoiled character wise.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Next up.
Speaker 2: There are rumors circulating right now that Spider Man and
Speaker 2: Wolverine are going to have a team up movie. Marvel
Speaker 2: Studios and Sony are reportedly interested in developing a Spider
Speaker 2: Man and Wolverine team up movie, potentially following the massive
Speaker 2: success of Deadpoll and Wolverine. If it happens, it would
Speaker 2: mark the first live action crossover between the two iconic
Speaker 2: Marvel characters. It's currently unclear whether Hugh Jackman will return
Speaker 2: his Wolverine but we all know he's here till he's ninety,
Speaker 2: or which Spider Man could appear, whether it be Tom Holland,
Speaker 2: Andrew Garfield, Toby McGuire, all possible thanks to the multiverse,
Speaker 2: or someone completely new. Nothing is confirmed yet, but the
Speaker 2: idea of Spider Man and Wolverine Sharon big screen has
Speaker 2: fans excited. Now.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: With the Sony and Marvel usage deal that if they
Speaker 2: are going to have a crossover, it has to have
Speaker 2: you know, the same characters. So I would assume that
Speaker 2: if they're going to do a crossover movie, then yes,
Speaker 2: we it would be Hugh Jackman and Tom Holland unless
Speaker 2: they absolutely just decide to pivot with the next movies
Speaker 2: and replace both those actors, which again till he's ninety.
Speaker 2: I don't see them doing that. What are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on this possible showing.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't see I
Speaker 3: can see Hugh Jackman doing the Avengers movies, but I
Speaker 3: don't know how much more he's going to do after that,
Speaker 3: Like eventually they're going to have to find their own
Speaker 3: Wolverine after starting with the X Men posts Avengers films
Speaker 3: in the MCU. So I don't know, to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, I don't know if that would confuse people
Speaker 3: as kind of part of the Batman problem that they
Speaker 3: have right now, or well what people think they have
Speaker 3: right now. I would be excited. I would be the
Speaker 3: first one in there to see it, obviously, like anyone
Speaker 3: would love to see spoder Man and Wolverine in a film,
Speaker 3: But I am going to be a little apprehensive by
Speaker 3: that because of a Sony part of it. If Disney
Speaker 3: owned both characters, then I would agree with you. After
Speaker 3: the money they made with Thimple and Wolverine would be
Speaker 3: getting a spider Man and Wolverine team up for sure.
Speaker 3: But where Sony's involved. I'm still not sure. Like it
Speaker 3: gives me a bit more pause to this murmor. I
Speaker 3: would love for it to happen a cross my toes,
Speaker 3: my fingers, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a nice thought.
Speaker 2: I would wonder if the way that Wolverine was portrayed
Speaker 2: in the last movie, it would be hard to then
Speaker 2: scale that back for.
Speaker 1: The family friendly neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Spider Man agreed.
Speaker 2: So again, nothing is confirmed yet. It's it's speculation. It's
Speaker 2: a rumor that has been floating around by a lot
Speaker 2: of sources, so we shall see what they go from there. Again,
Speaker 2: if it I don't see it happening, But if it does,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be one of the first one butts
Speaker 2: in seats getting my five pm on a Thursday ticket
Speaker 2: to sit there and watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's cross our fingers and hope that this film
Speaker 3: actually come day because it would be awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, but if any more news about this comes out,
Speaker 2: we'll keep you guys posted, or any more news as
Speaker 2: a whole comes out. Again, we got less than two
Speaker 2: weeks before Daredevil, so this is a time when Marvel
Speaker 2: likes to go quiet.
Speaker 1: But who knows.
Speaker 2: Something can happen, and we will just keep you guys
Speaker 2: informed on any and everything that we get our hands on.
Speaker 2: So that is our news, I would say when it
Speaker 2: comes to we didn't get any feedback or questions this week,
Speaker 2: which is fine, he said. If you have any questions
Speaker 2: that you want on the show, and you feedback anything else,
Speaker 2: reach out to us on Twitter, x email the show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: submit your questions and we'll be more than happy to
Speaker 2: answer them, discuss them, go down the well, or tell
Speaker 2: you why you are completely off base if you just
Speaker 2: decide to come at us with something crazy.
Speaker 1: So all right.
Speaker 2: And with that, let's head into our Factor fiction, which
Speaker 2: I'm going to pull up the results of last well
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, and these were Christ's factor fictions. So
Speaker 2: factor fiction number one in Avengers Doomsday, the X Men
Speaker 2: have successfully overcome a number of incursions already, but with
Speaker 2: heavy losses each time. Seventy five percent said fact twenty
Speaker 2: five for since save fiction, mister heines, what's say you fact?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right?
Speaker 2: Factor fiction number two inspider Man Brand New Day, the
Speaker 2: Hand will be working for Tombstone, sixty three percent say fact,
Speaker 2: thirty seven percent save fiction fiction and Factor fiction number
Speaker 2: three Inspider Man, Brand New Day Tombstone will survive and
Speaker 2: escape being captured at the end of the movie. Eighty
Speaker 2: percent say fact and twenty percent say fiction.
Speaker 3: I have to go with numbers on this one and
Speaker 3: say fact as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, sir, it is your time as
Speaker 2: the guest host.
Speaker 1: What do you got for us?
Speaker 3: I want to say, what an honor it is as
Speaker 3: the guest host to have to come up with the
Speaker 3: factor fictions. After two hundred and eighty eight episodes. By
Speaker 3: factor fictions there there will not be another season of
Speaker 3: Miss Marvel.
Speaker 2: Oh, I am unfortunately.
Speaker 3: I would love them.
Speaker 2: I love Mom Villani, but I am going to have
Speaker 2: to say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the fact. There will not be another season
Speaker 1: of Miss Marvel.
Speaker 3: Spider Man will have a speaking role in the next
Speaker 3: season of X Men ninety seven. He cameoed twice in
Speaker 3: the last one, but another of them were speaking. Two
Speaker 3: episodes he was in as Peter Packer and one a
Speaker 3: Spider Man. But he's going to have a speaking role
Speaker 3: in the next season.
Speaker 2: I am going to go fact on that, and I
Speaker 2: think that they will use that, hopefully maybe possibly as
Speaker 2: a bridge to bringing back Spider Man. The animated series
Speaker 2: in its own continuation.
Speaker 3: I hope, so, I hope that's the case, and Moonnight
Speaker 3: will not appear in Avengers Doomsday. I'm pretty sure he
Speaker 3: wasn't on the list of eight thousand chairs. But I
Speaker 3: didn't watch that, but I'm pretty sure you guys talked
Speaker 3: about that. I don't think he was one of those chairs.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to say he's not appearing in Avengers Doomsday.
Speaker 2: Off the top of my list, I do not remember
Speaker 2: Oscar being on that list, So will I will go
Speaker 2: fact on that, because yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Don't see it happening. I love the character.
Speaker 2: I hope that we can get more of Moonnight, but
Speaker 2: this may be something that they say for Secret Wars.
Speaker 2: Like you said, they ended his show with the ability
Speaker 2: to him going into another season. I don't think that
Speaker 2: second season is now going to happen, but I would
Speaker 2: at least like to see the character come back and
Speaker 2: make at least some sort of appearance.
Speaker 3: Maybe Apocalypse will show up and there.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, if that's if that's the way that
Speaker 2: they do it to give back, then I'll be for it.
Speaker 2: Just please don't have any billboards of him choking anybody.
Speaker 1: We don't want that smoke again.
Speaker 3: Imagine if he actually showed up like they expand the
Speaker 3: animated series version of the Apocalypse, like with the voice and
Speaker 3: the say it looks all bad as you're like, oh
Speaker 3: my god. Prediction yeah, like gambits.
Speaker 1: So those are our factor fiction.
Speaker 2: So this will be posted this Sunday for you all
Speaker 2: to vote on on Twitter, So go make your voices
Speaker 2: heard again. You can also use that time to provide
Speaker 2: us with some feedback either on the factor face or
Speaker 2: on any questions concerns in general. If you have a
Speaker 2: factor fiction yourself you want to throw out there for
Speaker 2: us to use, by all means, go ahead and do so.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: We are very close to three hundred episodes and sometimes
Speaker 2: it is really hard to come up with the factor
Speaker 2: fiction and try and think have I already used this before?
Speaker 2: So make your voices known. These will be posted Sunday
Speaker 2: to the Marvel Podcast Twitter. We are going to skip
Speaker 2: Comic Club Comic Book Club.
Speaker 1: For this week.
Speaker 2: We are going to return next week with Age of
Speaker 2: Ultron issue three, when Chris is back and we're back
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Speaker 1: I look forward to that.
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Speaker 2: All right, So we do have a post credits and
Speaker 2: this is an easy one, super easy for you. We
Speaker 2: did Chris and I did our ranking of We took
Speaker 2: all the Marvel properties from the multiverse, saga and dwindle
Speaker 2: it down to our top ten to watch before doomsday.
Speaker 2: What I'm asking is a whole lot simpler. What are
Speaker 2: your three most watched projects before Avengers Doomsday. This could
Speaker 2: be anywhere on the NCU timeline, just your three projects
Speaker 2: that you think, all right, you need to go ahead
Speaker 2: and watch this before doomsday.
Speaker 3: I don't even know where to begin there. I think
Speaker 3: my big Advanshio Avengers One and Avengers Infinity Bourne in game.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the three. I have a thing. I'm a
Speaker 3: little concerned about Avengers Doomsday. I'm worried that it's going
Speaker 3: to be a giant cameo fest filled with cameos. I'm
Speaker 3: getting very big Crisis on the Earth vibes from DCZW,
Speaker 3: which I absolutely lowed it and I was so excited
Speaker 3: for so Like, I got a feeling some of these
Speaker 3: cameos aren't going to be very lying, and that was
Speaker 3: one thing that brought out at me, was like why
Speaker 3: are you bringing people in to get rid of them
Speaker 3: in two or three minutes? Like shouldn't they be essential
Speaker 3: to the story instead of being some random Oh I
Speaker 3: played Robin Batman sixty six six years ago, and I'm
Speaker 3: going to look up to the sky and say, oh, gee, willickhers,
Speaker 3: that's the Earth implodes like that that they did nothing
Speaker 3: for the story. And that's basically what that cameo fest was.
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm a little worried. I was going
Speaker 3: to send this question into you guys to discuss, like,
Speaker 3: are you worried at all that this could be like
Speaker 3: the some of the cameos could take away from the
Speaker 3: overall story, or not contribute to the story at I'll
Speaker 3: just be cameos for be like, hey, look at this person,
Speaker 3: look at that person.
Speaker 2: Lewis Pullman, who plays Bob from also known as the
Speaker 2: Century from Thunderbolts, said that this will not be a
Speaker 2: cameo fest. I absolutely do not believe him.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, people who are part of
Speaker 3: the cameo fist will say.
Speaker 1: I do get what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I think the analogy of the crisis on Infinitors is
Speaker 2: an excellent analogy where yes, this could be the whole
Speaker 2: you played this thing at one time. They will get
Speaker 2: the girl who was the waitress from the first Avengers
Speaker 2: back just to be the callback of up up remember
Speaker 2: her like random things like that.
Speaker 1: I as much as.
Speaker 3: Chris Sifmans will come back for three minutes like Tom
Speaker 3: William came back for three minutes, being like a lot
Speaker 3: you don't even have powers. Oh great, okay, yeah, thank
Speaker 3: you guys, Okay, bye, thanks for showing up and throwing
Speaker 3: a rock and run away.
Speaker 2: As much as I love a good cameo or easter egg,
Speaker 2: I don't want it to be so heavy that I
Speaker 2: have to rewatch this movie three or four times, so
Speaker 2: I can try and spot every little detail that they
Speaker 2: put in there just for a nostalgia's sake.
Speaker 3: Also, like some people might say, like Loki might be
Speaker 3: pivotal to watch for this like just other things. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying, if you've not watched anything at all, I
Speaker 3: would probably rewatch the Avengers films to get me ready
Speaker 3: for the next Avengers film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that is. That's a good shout.
Speaker 3: And I left the Ultron because I still enjoy the film.
Speaker 3: But I think if I'm picking out of the four,
Speaker 3: that one's gonna follow, if you only get three.
Speaker 2: I can agree that from a storytelling and for what
Speaker 2: matters for what's coming up, that age of Ultron is
Speaker 2: probably the weaker of the Avengers movies in that right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I definitely uh get you on that one.
Speaker 2: So that that's a good shout. And we got the
Speaker 2: Avengers and we've got.
Speaker 3: Any more and in game and I wanted to do
Speaker 3: something low Ki or you could even say like Fantastic four,
Speaker 3: the final uh post credit seeing is very pivotal to
Speaker 3: know what's going on. But that's not going to be
Speaker 3: why I would recommend to watch Fantastic four right now,
Speaker 3: if nothing else would apply to tell you what's going
Speaker 3: to happen in Doosday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so all right, let's just go watch those watch
Speaker 5: go back watch what was on our list of ten
Speaker 5: Multiverse Saga projects to watch.
Speaker 3: It go with theirs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just do an entire mcu rewatch And
Speaker 2: that's what's that way you you are fully in tuned
Speaker 2: to everything. You've got some time. It's not like we've got,
Speaker 2: you know, any good trailers out that we know what's
Speaker 2: going to be in the movie. So you got some time,
Speaker 2: So go ahead watch that again. Where we are hoping
Speaker 2: that next week we might have some information on New
Speaker 2: Spider Man. We're on our march towards season two of
Speaker 2: Daredevil Born Again, and I look forward to singing and
Speaker 2: talking with you all later.
Speaker 3: See