Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name
is Tim Duckworth. It is Sunday night, January nineteenth. We
are heading into the twenty twenty five PGT season, so
Tim and I are going to do a round of
predictions for the upcoming season. We'll also hit on some
general poker predictions. You know, we won't keep it all
in house here as it pertains to the PGT. We'll
touch on some bigger picture topics here. High Stakes Poker
Season fourteen Premiered gott to talk about that, and then
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Speaker 1: Who cares what you were up against. It's just ridiculous question,
an absolutely ridiculous question. All right, let's move into the
actual stuff that we're going to talk about here. P
G T predictions. I put down a bunch of stuff.
Hopefully you prepared. We'll see if you did. Hopefully you
come with some good answers. I think I got some
good ones with mine. I will say that this you're
gonna you're gonna come across a theme with everything that
I talk about here. So so let's just let's just
get right into it and the reason why we're doing
this is you know, it's Sunday night as I mentioned earlier,
but tomorrow on my Day, is the official start of
the twenty twenty five Poker gro Tour season, with the
first event of the PGT Kickoff series five thousand dollars
buy in double points. For all five of these events,
we will be live streaming the final tables on poker
Go Remco and myself will be doing the commentary. So
if that's your sort of jam, hop on in there
and give it a listen. It's a it's a really
fun series just to start things off, so I'm very
much looking forward to it. After the PGT Kickoff, we
got the Poker Go Cup, the first of three majors
on the tour. Who's gonna win it, Buddy, Poker Go
Cup this year, A'm I gonfess I'm asking you who's
gonna win it?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take Jeremy Osmas. Oh wow, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean just I'm not gonna get you off the bat.
Speaker 2: H even what prepare for some chalk because you got
a lot of chalk coming up. That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: All Right, you got Jeremy Osmus, who has won the
Poker Girl Cup before, Yes, so he would become a
two time winner of the Poker Girl Cup. I'm going
with Brock Wilson, Okay. I feel like Brock is close
on a lot of occasions to making some noise in
a as it pertains to a major series champion on
the PGT. You know, he's kind of always like hovering
in contention. Right, So this is the year I think
Rock Wilson knocks one of those off, and I'll say
that Brock Wilson is going to win the Poker Grol Cup.
The next major that we have, the US Poker Open
coming up in what April? Okay, who's gonna win that one?
Speaker 2: That one's going to be won by Canadian Daniel O'Gara.
Speaker 1: Canadian Daniel Okay, Okay, I got Alex Foxen.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know we're all chalk right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, why is that chalk? Considering how Foxon's year
was last year, barely made it into the top forty
very much at all.
Speaker 2: Have a great year. Yeah, that's how it works.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that the third of the majors of
the major series, I should say, Poker Masters coming up
later this year, September October ish something around there. Who's
gonna win that one? The Purple Jacket.
Speaker 2: It's a guy that's gonna skip the cup and skip
the USPR Steven Childwick.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so you got a couple of double winners. Yeah,
because Jeremy Osmas has already won the poperst Cut, Stephen
Chidwick has already won the Purple Jacket, So you're going
with them to win again. I'm gonna go with Sean Winter,
a player who is for sure regular on the PGT,
but I feel like often overlooked, Like I feel like
he's always there and like top five, top three stuff
like that. But you know, I don't know, I feel
like a Chidwick and a Grand new and Ozmas like
they get kind of more the the headlines or you know,
people know about them more than a Shawn Winter. But
Shawn Winter is a crusher on the PGT every single year,
all right. I mean, I get the Super High Rollable
is a major, but it's not a series really, so
I kind of just have that aside. But anyway, who's
gonna win Super high Rollerball this year?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, which Super High Rollerble three two?
We have three actually now, so you're talking no limit.
Are we talking about if it's in America or if
it's in international waters?
Speaker 1: Fine, let's let's that's audible. Just give me, just give
me all three. So who's gonna win superhi rollable Nolan
A hold them, who's gonna win super high rollable PLO?
And who's gonna win this pipetream idea that you and
Philip Sternheimer have super high rollable mixed games.
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's let's go in order. Mixed games first
coming March six to eighth. We go, dan Zach gonna
win that one. I'm going to move on to the
PLO one because that's going to be first if my
schedule holds. I'm gonna I'm going to say Jared Blesnik,
you know, close last year one of the year before,
he's going to come back and win it again. And
the No Limit one, we're going to get him out
here in a America playing our events again. Adrian Mitaos,
there you go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with super high rollable mixed games. Is
Jason Mercier comes out for the one off high buying
Mixed event and rips it off p l O. I'll
go with josh Aria and Super high Rollable Nolan mat Holden,
regular Alex Foxen.
Speaker 2: Again your team FOEC.
Speaker 1: See that trend that I was talking about, Yeah, it's
this is this is.
Speaker 2: This is it. I can guess who's going to be
your next spec event.
Speaker 1: Who will win PGT Player of the Year. It was
Jeremy Osmas last year, then of course he went on
to win the PGT Million Dollar Championship as well. Who's
going to top the leader board at the end of
the regular season this year?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the guy that's gonna play the most
events out of all possible people you can name, and
that's Canadian Daniel McGrane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but is he going to play the most events?
Speaker 2: Play the most events? I already know Ozmas is skipping
Mixed Game Series FOX and doesn't really play that much.
Speaker 1: Makes yeah, but it isn't it? Yeah? But if so,
if Ozma's is skipping the mixed games or whatever, doesn't
Daniel skip five ks will be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but more points in the Mixed Game Series it's
tens and there's one hundred.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm only saying in terms of a play
the most events I'm playing.
Speaker 2: I mean play the most events with points. But I'm
still taking it. I'm Team Canada. You want to your
fame is is team fox My team is Team Canada.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm gonna pick someone who also staying on
trend Alex Foxhen, but a person that could be easily
play the most events. Yes, he Foxing is there every day,
every single day, playing everything. So you got Nigranny for
PGT Player of the Year. I have Alex Foxhen. So
this next one. Since the pgt's inception in twenty twenty one,
there have been six players who have finished inside the
top forty of the leaderboard every single season. Now I
know the first year was the top twenty one, but
I just looked at the top forty.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Those players are Alex Foxon, Daniel mgranu, Jeremy Osmas, Sam Silverrill,
Sean Winter, and Steven Chidwick. So these are like the
if there was a Mount Rushmore of the PGT, these
six are on it. I know Mount Rushmore is four,
but hell, we're sticking six on it. It doesn't matter. It's
our show. These are the six. Like these guys are,
They're always in the mix for a series title. They're
always in the field like you talked about, you know,
in the GRANU playing the most events, like these six
play the most events, like it can kind of be
one of these, you know, I know, I know Chidwick
played a little bit less last year. You know, Silver
played a little bit less last year. But maybe they
come back or they play their regular stuff this year,
and you know, they're playing the most events possible. These
six players are just they're there every single day. You
can really count on them, you know, you can really
just pretty much bank the fact that they're going to
be in contention for different major titles, if not all
of them, and then of course for the top forty
of the leaderboard. The question is the first question. There's
two questions as it pertains to these six players. Who's
going to have the best PGT season? I think you
already answered it, We didn't we both answer that. I mean, yeah,
pretty much, Yeah, okay, I mean so you said Negran
for PGT Player of the Year. I said Fox, All right,
who's going to have the worst season? This is the
more fun part of the question, anyway.
Speaker 2: What do you define as the worst season?
Speaker 1: Though one okay doesn't show up like over I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's Stephen Chadwick. And the main reason is
we're talking about volume here.
Speaker 1: You know, he is just said he's going to win
the Purple Jacket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I said, if you remember, he's going to
skip the first two series because he's going to be
off gallivanting on epts and trying events and living in
Portugal at the beach playing on gg poker. So of
all the he's the only one that's international. He's more
likely to travel to these other stops, not based here
in Las Vegas. And if you look at last year's leaderboard,
he only snuck in finish fortieth. So he is, you know,
the I guess favorite amongst these mount rushmore and a
half of players to fall out and have the worst season.
Speaker 1: I'm going with Sam silverall And it's not that Sam
soverl is you know, any any less of a player
than anyone else on this list. And he's extremely talented
and all that, but it just seems like in recent years,
in recent seasons, like the last season and a half,
maybe full two seasons, he's just played less. Yeah, doesn't
show up every single day. Kind of kind of takes
the approach of he's gonna play when he feels like
he wants to play, doesn't really force himself to be
out there grinding an entire series, like he'll pop in
for like event number two, Skip three, four, come for five,
like you know, he does that all the time. So
just that alone, I'll say that he won't have the
volume that I think these other players will have. Therefore,
I'm gonna say that he's gonna have the worst season
out of them. And the way that I looked at
the worst is he'll finish the lowest and the leader
of these six heres. So all right, will any of
these six players finish outside of the top forty?
Speaker 2: I think I think Childwick. I think he may fall out.
We're gonna have a lot more I think local, own
and operated events in Vegas and around America this year.
So I think the math says he may fall out.
Speaker 1: I got soverall falling in. I just again, the volume
thing I think will ultimately kind of bite him at
the end of the day. All right, So pick three
players that didn't finish in the top forty from the
twenty twenty four season to finish in the top forty
from the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2: Do you want to go firsts. What do you want
to make it fest? I mean, you name a name.
I don't name a name.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna rip off all three of mine. But
I do want to say that for anyone new that's listening.
The reason I keep saying top forty of the PGT
Leaderwards because the top forty is what qualifies for the
season ending PGT Million Dollar Championship pending. You get you know,
the right number of cases at least three, and you
opt in. So so yeah, that's why I keep referencing
top forty, just so you're aware. I got Brock Wilson
going with my guy who I picked him in the
Poke Girl Cup. I got Shannon Shore. Interesting, Okay, I
like that now he made it into the Championship via
the dream seats from the Last Chance Series, but didn't
in the top forty. But I think Shannon like has
had you know, a little bit of a swinging momentum,
a little bit of a heater this year. That helps
the bank roll. That means you can play more. You know,
he's always playing in the studio. Now it's just a
matter of volume. I think we see him put in
a little bit more volume and then I got Sam Laskowitz.
I got him, you know, he was he wasn't too
far outside the top forty this year. Fight until the end,
but I got him getting up in there. So Wilson,
Shore and Laskowitz for.
Speaker 2: Me, done any research on this have I Yeah, I
don't know what that means. Sam Lesquit's about that baby.
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit? He's a fucking poke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying, you know what it's like, having
a baby and trying to play poker makes a little tougher.
Speaker 1: I'm a normal person. Poker player is not right?
Speaker 2: That is that is actually true? Okay. I think my
three players are going to take Matt Wantman, you know,
finished just outside the top forty this year last year.
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he's he's good to get in. I
gotta take my boy. He's giving me grief. Jeremy Becker,
this is his season. He is gonna make the top forty.
And then my third one is Joey Weisman skip the
back half of the year. I think he still finished
like in the top sixty. He did play PGT Last Chance,
had a final table there, but pretty much skipped the
back half of the season and still was just within
reaching distance of the top forty. So if he puts
in a full year of volume, he's my he's my
pick to get in there this year.
Speaker 1: All right. So this next one, I'm gonna go first
again because it's picked three players from the twenty twenty
four top forty to fall outside this year. I don't
just pick like Jonathan Tomayo and the WSPH.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's fine, Yeah, good, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: So I went with Sam's overall shocker. I've shown him
so far. This one might be a surprise to you,
but I got redlinn. Wow. My reason is so listen,
I love Redlin, He's an absolute character. But I just
I feel like last season he started to do a
little bit of a dancing around the globe in terms
of like where he's playing and what he's doing. Played
some more Triton stuff, was that, some EPT stuff, all
of this. So what if he just doesn't play a
lot of the PGT stuff. What if he just says,
you know what, maybe I'll just bounce around and play
other stuff. So who knows that? That's kind of my
my lean there. And then so I know that this
next name is I guess technically w S a P
final table related, but he also played enough of our
events that I felt like I included him. That's Brian Kim,
and he played.
Speaker 2: You got some inside of information.
Speaker 1: I don't have any inside from I'm rank him. I
just I just feel like he might just be kind
of over tournaments. It's a freaking brind man, or at
least over like such a big grind. I don't know.
I mean, he lives in Australia, maybe he's maybe he
doesn't chase as much. I don't know. I just you know,
who knows.
Speaker 2: I'm not taking Stephen Hildwick, but I'm going to take
three players that had very good wsps, but you could
kind of count as regular as just due to volume
and previous history. First one, Scott sever you know, he
only had eight cashs. He had two big wins in
PGT qualifying events at the WSP, so you know, he
won Player of the Year who had an outstanding series,
and who knows, he may just go back to Bobby's
room for the entire summer and not play a single
WSP event, so he's out.
Speaker 1: Don't tell the people at WPT there I saw on
their bold predictions him to win three bracelets.
Speaker 2: Again, well he's they're idiots. No, I love those guys,
but there it is. My next one is is Philip Ivy. Now, yes,
he doesn't play in the studio, but he plays every
PGT qualifying event. He had I think eight or nine
cashes at the WSP last year. He had a couple
at the Super High Rollers series in Cypress. He had
a great year. Obviously, one he's eleventh bracelet. He ain't
going to repeat that, he's gone. And then my third one,
someone I wish was playing more PGT events in the
studio is Chance Corneth. He's told me why he doesn't
come to the studio that often, but he does love
the WSP and he had I think four final tables
which pretty much thrust him into the top twenty at
one point, and then he didn't play anything else. So
obviously it was a big season from him at the WSP.
It would be tough to repeat that. I think he
will be one that also falls out of the top four.
Speaker 1: All right, who's going to have a breakout season on
the PGT?
Speaker 2: I mean from some guy that complains a lot about
the breakout player of the year for the GPI Awards.
I can't believe you put this question in, But how
do we define breakout season? What do you want to
define it as? Because that's the way I'm. I didn't
have anyone written down because I'm.
Speaker 1: My definition of it as it pertains to the PGT
is like they're not really known as much to the
PGT fan base, Like they're not they're not at Alex
faxon the Grand New Jeremy alsm A Soverall Winter Chiitwig,
et cetera. They just haven't had those those really big
breakthrough seasons. Like I would basically say, like somebody that
is this season's David Coleman from last season who came out,
had those wins early, you know, performed really well all
season long, mayor to the championship, you know, blah blah blah.
He basically became a name. I mean everyone, most of
the people that play on the PGT are already names.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you have to you have to like perform
on the PGG. You've got to start winning tournaments, win
one of the series titles, like get into the top forty,
that sort of stuff. So that's how I got I
got one. Go ahead, Michael Joseph Oh I thought of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think by the way, I think
he qualifies for all those you know, deliverables that you mentioned.
Speaker 1: I have John Reardon, King John Reardon, who puts in
a crap of volume on the PGT, but like never
like it all every season on the PGT. It like
gets to the end of the season and I'm like,
where's John Reardon points? And I look, he's got like
two hundred. I'm like, what, Like he's here every day,
What's what's happening? And like he's it's not like he's
not cashing. It just said. He just really doesn't make
final tables is the thing. You know, he kind of
just cashes a lot if he does anything. I'm expecting
a big year out of King John Reardon.
Speaker 2: Let's go. Can you wait wait, let me let me
this is very surprising to me. In the old time
pe GT rankings, where does John Riordan rank on most
cashes most cases? Now, I'm gonna give you some numbers.
I'm gonna give you some like bullet points twelve. That's
really high.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was seventeenth, which I was extremely what's tied
for sixteenth. Actually yeah, but very surprises a lot, and
forty one is a lot of cashes.
Speaker 1: He gets like twelve cashes a season, and he's just like,
it's like twelve cashes two hundred points. Like I'm like, like,
I look, I look going into the last chance and
I'm like, oh, he's got to be like you know
right there, right, No, he's like nowhere to be found.
He's like one hundred and eighth.
Speaker 2: He averages forty four points per cash, which is probably
slightly high than we thought.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but he doesn't have like the he doesn't
have the wins, Like he doesn't get like the you know,
all the wins. So yeah, Jeremy Os must be talked
about him. PGT Player of the Year. He won the
PGT Million Dollar Championship perdict his twenty twenty five season.
You can take that however you want. This is your
canvas paint.
Speaker 2: How you will He will finish top five on the leaderboard,
but I have a worse season point wise. That is
my prediction.
Speaker 1: So I also said top five on the leaderboard, and
then I put three wins fifteen cashes.
Speaker 2: Oh you want to do it that way?
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean you can do whatever you want. I
don't have I don't have that exact thing for all
the people that we're going to do this for. So
I just said for Ozmas, he'll get three wins. He'll
have fifteen cashes, So that would mean more wins than
last year. Last year he only had one win. Right,
it would be fewer cashes because he was at like
twenty something whatever the heck it was, Yeah, cash twenty six,
I think, so he'll have fewer cashes and then I
still have him top five on the leader board. I mean,
he's just he's an incredible player, and he puts in
the volume. So I still think he can easily finish
up at the top. And I also think, you know,
I feel like Jeremy will want to defend the title,
which is a good thing. I think he'll be out
for that. You know, it would be a cool thing
for him to go back to back if that word
to happen, And I think it'd be something he would
want to chase, all right. Predict Daniel mgran New's twenty
twenty five PGT season, Well, I.
Speaker 2: Already think he's gonna win. So I'm gonna say he's
gonna win everything. Yeah, you know osamaus twenty nine hundred
points last season, that's a lot. I think Negrano is
gonna have twenty seven hundred points. Two wins, call it
twenty five cashes.
Speaker 1: Okay. I said top five on the leaderboard for Negranu,
and I said wins one of the PLO series. Okay,
I think he's just a supremely underrated polo player. We
got two of those series every single year. I know
he's gonna be out playing everything as it pertains to
those series. So yeah, I got Negranu winning one of
the PGT PLO series on his way to a top
five better board finish. All right, predict Jeremy Becker's twenty
twenty five PGT season.
Speaker 2: Zero wins, But okay, he's gonna break one thousand PGT
points and qualify for the PGT Million Dollar Championship. Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, I said two studio wins. He had his first week,
he had his first studio win last season. I got
him win in two. And I also said he's going
to finish inside the top forty. So two studio wins
Rebecker inside the top forty. Let's go, all right, as
it pertains to the PGT. This is the last thing
we'll talk about, and then we'll move on to general
poker stuff. Three storylines you're going to keep an eye
on this PGT season.
Speaker 2: Trying to keep it in I guess calendar order. But
first one to me is seeing if we can double
down on our success that we had in Texas Texas
but grew up and Peeler round Up. Both events had
great numbers. You know, we always say that our first
time event, the next time you do it always drops
down a little bit. But I'm hoping that we can
kind of improve on everything we did, both schedule wise
and event wise, and then also see an increase in numbers,
not just the main event, but the whole series down
there in Champions Club. So that's my first kind of
storyline that you know, means a lot to me is
hopefully we can always improve on our things. So yeah,
that's another one for me. Do you want to should
do it?
Speaker 1: I'll do. I'm looking at David Coleman and I want
to see what sort of I'm gonna call it his
sophomore season on the PGT. It came out last year
absolutely blazon out of the gate at PGT kickoff and
early in the season had a lot of success. Obviously
that propelled him to then go on to qualify for
the top forty of the leaderboard, qualify for that PGT
Million dollars championship. What are we going to see from
mister Coleman this time around? Is he now just going
to be a mainstay? Is there gonna be a sophomore slump?
I would lean that he's going to be a mainstay
on the PGT. He's gonna have the success, he's gonna
finish in the top forty, all that sort of stuff.
But it's gonna be something that I want to keep
an eye on, largely because last year when we were
predicting things, I picked him to be the breakout player
for for the PGT. So I want to then see
if that success carries through and how then and you know,
how his season goes over wrong. So that's mine.
Speaker 2: Well, if he didn't didn't skip kickoff this upcoming week
to go to Disneyland, I feel much more confident about
your man. Come on, hey man, Disneyland. It's a very overrated.
I've never been second storyline. It's hard to say if
it's a storyline or it's but me personally or the
PGT internally have three, four or five kind of new
events we're working on, and I'm hoping that a we
can obviously get the green light on them, get them
out on the schedule for people to play, but also
that the people are receptive of these events and show
that we are trying new things and trying to put
on events that hit our player but also potentially bring
in new players. So I know that's kind of a
soft storyline, but to me that that's kind of important
is when we launch something new that you know, people like, yes,
this is what we want, and we don't get that
negative feedback.
Speaker 1: I got Alex Foxen comeback season last year on the PGT.
Speaker 2: I'm a surprise.
Speaker 1: He finished thirty eighth on the leader board, barely eclipsed
a thousand points, had no wins, thirteen cashes. He didn't
even achieve a million dollars in PGT earnings. Washing this
is like, this is like unheard of for Alex Foxen
on the PGT. So I'm expecting a big comeback season
for Alex Foxen. And because I'm expecting that, of course
I'm going to be keeping an eye on it and
seeing if it happens, but I expect big things out
of mister Fox in this time around twenty twenty five
PGT season. So yeah, that's my second thing that I'm
keeping an eye on.
Speaker 2: Final storyline. For me, we just finished pretty insane season
ending with massive numbers of PGT Lost Chance and obviously
a great winner at the PGT Championship. I want bigger
and better, and I know we're getting bigger and better
at the next PGT Lost Chance with the rule tweaks
extra dream seats up for grabs of that series. It's
going to be the biggest series we've ever run. Exclamation point,
full stop on the line, on the line, put it in.
Speaker 1: Bold, Okay, I mean you're setting the bar high.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Steven Chidwick and I want to know
if Stevie returns to form. He's always been a what
top five guy on the PGT Top ten for sure,
always like right there, right there, right there. He won
PGT Player of the Year the one year you know
he's got titles all that sort of stuff. Last year
was a little bit of a down year. It took
until the final series for him to squeak in to
the to the qualification for the PGT Championship. He ended
up doing so, yes, but kind of a similar year
than than Alex Foxen.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: He had nine hundred and sixty nine points, one win,
fourteen cash is one point one twenty six million in earning,
so really not like the the Steven Childwick year that
we're used to seeing on the PGT. So kind of
like I'm looking at Alex Hoxsen, I'm also looking at
Steven Shouldwick and now we're gonna see him return to form,
so you're gonna be looking at him. I know I've
picked fox In to do a lot of really good
things on this upcoming PGT season, But we'll see if
we can get Steven Chiuldwick. You know, one of those
guys who's you know, pushing what twenty cash is like,
he does every single year, top five of the leader board,
all that sort of stuff. So let's see if that
happens for Stevie. All right, general poker stuff. Pick one
player to win a World Poker Tour title.
Speaker 2: Now this is the main Tour, right, I'm not talking Prime.
Speaker 1: Main, Yes, the real shit. Okay, we ain't. We ain't
doing that fake stuff.
Speaker 2: So I got pick someone I gotta pick someone that
wins one of the four events they run throughout the year.
This is kind of tough. Uh yeah, I'm gonna go
with someone you threw out earlier. I'm gonna go with
Brock Wilson. He's probably gonna play all of them. I
think he's pretty decent and then at that buying price
point and you know what this four of them are. Yeah,
he's got a good chance to win one of those
four events.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going with the reigning WPT Player of
the Year, Yunk You Song, who I think it's like
hit kind of his time, you know. I think he's
had a lot of really good stuff, had what was
it Texas Polk ro Open. He'll keep on as well.
So yeah, I think he's primed to have big field
MTT success, you know, coming off winning WPG Player of
the Year. I think he's going to be motivated specifically
towards the World Poker Tour, maybe a little bit more
so than others. So I have Young You Song winning
a WPG title in twenty twenty five. All right, give
me one player to win an EPT title in twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2: There's another not many of them that exists, so does
make it tough. And I'm gonna Audible off your prediction
of Alex fox and crushing the PGT. I'm gonna say,
Alex Foxon is going to do all he's winning on
non PGT events this year, like trying and that includes
an APT title.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have Adrian Matteos or Steven should.
Speaker 2: I have him Tellos? So? And then I believe Audible.
Speaker 1: Us to our crushers, you know, I think they always play,
They always try, at least try and play the EPT stuff.
Name three players who will win a live WSP gold
bracelet in the summer.
Speaker 2: Can you get fast on this one?
Speaker 1: Sure? I have Alex Foxon kind I mean, I think
he's just have an incredible year all around. Sean Deep
your boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of.
Speaker 1: The of the best players in the WSP realm for sure.
And then John Reardon, Yep, it's time to do it live, buddy,
Let's go John Reardon. So those are my three.
Speaker 2: I did have date, but I don't want to pick
him because I want to have some variety. But I'm
gonna take the best poka play in the bud Dylan Weisman.
He'll win another Palo bracelet. I'm gonna take Santhosh. I
think he might repeat as a two hundred and fifty
K champion, So put him as one of my bracelet winners,
and then throwing Adrian Mitaos because if Samtush doesn't win it,
it's going to be Mitayos.
Speaker 1: Predict one player to reach the twenty twenty five main
Event final table. I mean this is this is needle
in a haystack.
Speaker 2: Af staven Song.
Speaker 1: You know what. I almost picked him, to be honest,
I almost picked Stevens Song, but I went with the name.
You might not even know who this player is.
Speaker 2: Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1: But got to put him on Colin Robinson. So Colin
Robinson is like low key, low key big field crusher
At the WSP. Recently he won He won a twenty
five hundred dollars no limit hold him twenty two and
twenty nine entries. He got second in the fifteen hundred
dollars Monster Stack one year eighty three hundred and seventeen
entries there, third place in a fifteen hundred dollars no
limit that had thirteen hundred and six entries. He got
ninth place in Colossus one year fifty eight hundred and
ninety four entries in that one. I mean, clearly Colin
Robinson knows how to navigate these big field mind fests
that that take place so often at the WSP. Right,
so I got Colin Robinson as my player to reach
the twenty twenty five WSP Main Event final table. Which
poker player is going to top the twenty twenty five
money list?
Speaker 2: I mean we could just say everyone anyone would named
on this podcast more than once. The tins of SHOT's
gonna flex off all those names. I'm take my boy,
brind Kenny.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's gonna have two scores for eight million each?
Speaker 2: You know what? Very possible. That's the craziest I know,
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: On trend Alex Foxen Alex Fox and Alex Fox and
Alex Fox is for me, who's gonna be the highest
earning female poker player in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2: See the two answer people? I want to say, it
feels like the most layup answers, And I don't know
if I want to kind of flex off the completely.
Speaker 1: Do you want to say who Kristen Fox and.
Speaker 2: Jason Fox or Socio Jang from New Zealand? Because she
plays all the trying events. That seems like too easy
to pick, like that's too too chalky.
Speaker 1: Well I have Jang.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm not going to pick either of them,
but they have the front run.
Speaker 1: It's also like, I'm with you on like those of
the two, I feel like that are the favorites. Yeah,
but I also feel like if if there was like
a this was a sports book, you had both those
names on it, people would be like, who the hell
is Soshia Jang? I mean the people who watch Triton, Yes,
of course they know who she is, but I think
common poker people don't really yet know who she is.
So for those out there who don't know, don't be
surprised to see Soshia Jang's name on the top of
the all time money or of the money list for
female poker players in twenty twenty five. Because she's good.
She works with, you know, some of the really really
good players. She plays all the super high by and
stuff that takes place all around the world, ardly at Triton,
So yeah, you know, don't be surprised to see that
name up on top.
Speaker 2: I was leaning towards Cherish Andrews, but her buying like
average buying would just never be enough.
Speaker 1: Sure, but I mean, but she plays like enough twenty
five keys.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it's none about ones and like somehow.
Speaker 1: She doesn't the bigger field ones like she gets me in.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take someone like off the board. No
odds on FanDuel. But she had two cash's at the
tin Monte Carlo series, sia ono, So she's back. Well,
I don't know if she's back, but the fact that.
Speaker 1: She can't out of the cash game streets.
Speaker 2: But if she's playing the Monte Carlo tournaments, okay, one
was that tried and invitational, but still she played some
events there. Does that mean maybe she's like, you know what,
maybe I want to play some tournaments. Just takes one
score to like, you know, flick that switch and get
the bug. So that's going to be you know, obviously
we've discussed the two favorites. I'm going to take her
as the the roughie to get there.
Speaker 1: All right, just like we did when it comes to
the PGT. Give me three things you're going to be
watching for this year in poker in general.
Speaker 2: I think the first one is probably should be at
the top of everyone's mind.
Speaker 1: List, it's probably mine.
Speaker 2: How will the WSP be with GG now publicly involved?
So are we going to see anything different? Is it
still going to be the same old show, the same setup,
everything the same old We're going to see some remarkably
different things like will the WSP plus app be live
for the summer series in time? Will it get approved,
et cetera. So just seeing how things start changing with
GG now very publicly involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the same one as my number one.
Any changes to the w CP is what I wrote down,
you know, is it is it going to be one
of those things where it's just very status quo for
one year and then you really see it come in
for the twenty twenty sixth WSP. Are we going to
certainly start seeing things take effect this summer? You know,
maybe things that people have taken from WSP Paradise. You
know you mentioned the WSP plus app stuff like that.
You know, when is that stuff gonna happen? Is it
going to start happening this year for the summer? So
let's let's see what happens there. What's your next one?
Speaker 2: I mean, the rumor mal is swirling about what's happening
in December and January of twenty twenty five slash twenty
twenty six. So I'm kind of eagerly waiting to see
what kind.
Speaker 1: Of to do, huh said, I love a good rumor.
Speaker 2: Ealy awaiting what happens with the WBT World Championship. Will
it still be in December? Will it still be at
the win? Will they bring back a guarantee WSP Paradise?
Speaker 1: So, yes, it's going to be in December. Yes, it's
going to be at the win.
Speaker 2: I mean what I mean, I do not never know,
you never know.
Speaker 1: Guarantee who knows?
Speaker 2: But the other stuff, Yes, WSP Paradise. Will it be
in December? You know they've changed it every year so
far in dramatic format of the schedule. So is there
another massive change? Are they going to kind of audible
off their twenty five million, twenty five k buying fifty
million guarantee? Are they going to move it to January?
What else is happening in January? We've heard some stuff
about Pocus Stars, et cetera. So that kind of winter
festival time which has been you know the last few years,
have been growing. How is that going to change? Is
going to be the same and how that's going to
affect kind of what everyone else is doing in the industry.
Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting about basically paradise. You know,
you mentioned that basically the drastic changes between the first
year and the second year. I think you would want
to go like drastic change versus subtle change, like like,
for example, next year, like if they run back the
twenty five k but they have like only a thirty
million dollar guarantee on it, right, I mean like something
like that. No, Like just I'm just kind of thinking
in my head, like would it be kind of very
unique to just do something completely different every single year
for this you know what? Like yeah, next year, it's
like we're gonna do a freaking fifteen hundred dollars one
hundred million dollar guarantee, like so you know, like just
thinking like you're just like going all over the place
every year, just like completely switching it up from one,
like one spectrum to the other. Like that'd just be great.
So I got to regulated online poker progress and you
mentioned the rumor for December. I keep hearing betem jam
is coming to Nevada, So can it freaking happen already?
Like I heard last year? It's gonna happen last year.
I heard this year, it's gonna happen this year. Like
I've heard, you know, it could be Q one. I
heard it could be by the end of the year.
Like can it just happen?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: It just be good for those of us here in
Nevada to just you know, have an extra competitor in
the state, extra option to play all that sort of stuff.
So I'm I'm just looking for, you know, kind of
two things. One regulated online poker progress or do we
get another state on board? Does Pennsylvania join actually get involved?
I know they've like you know, said that they're going
to be getting involved in terms of the interstate liquidity,
Like does that actually happen? And then, you know, do
we get someone else here in Nevada? And I'm looking
most specifically at bet MGM. So here go for your third.
Speaker 2: My third is also related to competition and also related
to ben MGM in a way. But are we finally
going to see this this bet MGM poker too. We've
heard about are we finally going to see more napt
stops around North America? It's it's been talked about in
the last couple of years obviously, and nothing's happened with
either tour, But is this the year where we start
hearing more concrete things, you know dates, even if it's
for twenty twenty six, you know we're going to hear
about NAPT going to Ontario or going to Pennsylvania. Ben
MGM obviously has two main properties, Aria and Bogada out
on the West coast. You know, let's is there something
they can do liquidity wise, shared liquidity run opening events
in both places. They all come for the Aria well,
you know, the bet MGM Poker Championships kind of thing,
So kind of seeing how that kind of plays out
both NABT and bet MGM.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at sweepstakes, the sweepstakes poker sites. You know,
there's been a lot of attention turned their way in
recent months. You know, are these legal? Are these in
a gray area? Are they illegal? You know, everyone's kind
of got their arguments for the different things. Got I
think Global Poker pulled out of Michigan. You have Global
Poker recently announcing that they were going to be pulling
out or they are in the process right now pulling
out of Nevada. So you know what happens with sweepstakes,
and then you also have a new player in the
mix club WPT goal like they had the big free Role.
We haven't really heard much from them since the free roll, right,
they just they just not no, I'm saying, we haven't
heard much until like the last couple of days when
they basically said, like, you know, the platform's coming, and
I think I saw Rampage saying like he's having a
meetup game whatever. Now I'm personally not surprised that there's
silent after the Free role, because you know, I played
on the platform during the free roll stuff, you know,
trying to get one of those Golden passports, and it
definitely seemed like a very basic MVP just to get
it out there, and I just assumed that they would
get something out there, allow players to play those free
roll tournaments, and then kind of go very quiet afterwards
as you fix everything, you get the full platform ready
to launch in whatever timeframe that is, and then you
come out with it later. So I'm not surprised personally
on the silence on that front. That said, you're now
coming out in in a space where there's a lot
of people are looking at sweepstakes, poker and They're like,
is this allowed? Should this be allowed? Should states be
coming after them? Should the federal government be looking at them?
Like this whole thing. So there's that aspect of things.
And then also specifically, as it pertains the Club WPT Gold,
you had this massive free roll, this massive marketing promotion
to launch this new platform. What's it going to be
like at the end of the day, And it's it
going to be successful? Meaning did the massive five million
dollars free roll and all of that user acquisition work
in terms of making it a viable platform to play on?
So I'm just saying this is something I'm going to
be watching in poker, like I think. I think that,
you know, towards the end of twenty twenty four, there
was certainly a lot of sweep steaks casino and sweepstakes
poker in the gambling industry news headlines. So let's see
then what happens here in twenty five. So I think
that that's going to be an interesting thing to just
kind of, you know, keep an eye on it.
Speaker 2: Sounds like, yeah, Club WBD Gold launching basically meetup games
over the next eleven days, starting on Monday. Get to
play with Phil Ivy I'm in, does it really feel
it's definitely phil Ivy, brad Owen, Rampage, Wolfgang Zuanlu. Guessing
some other WPT people will get in and it's called
you know, Project Gold Phase one meetup games, so maybe
they're you know, Phase one is still acknowledging that it's
you know, we're still in mode beta mode games.
Speaker 1: I just want to play tournaments.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but this is I think a good way
to see. You know, we all go on tomorrow, we
play and see is the software the same or is
it dramatically different? You know, they've had what a month
since they ran all those promo free roles pretty much,
you know, hopefully they took some constructive criticism from people
and made changes where it was needed. And I guess
we'll line at the next week or so.
Speaker 1: I will say that the software will be a massive
upgrade if they don't have that damn shaking when it's
like timing down on a player. That shit made me
think I was having a seizure. I mean, it was unreal. Okay,
so get rid of that and it will be good to
go SPA.
Speaker 2: Speaking of online poker, and this is obviously a little
bit of a pad on my back because I made
a final table last side. But you know when you
make a final table on WSP and there's two ends
and then the table goes dark and the two hands
light up? Do you a like that and be think
that should be on every table?
Speaker 1: Well, definitely should not be on every table. That's absolutely insane.
I don't mind it. At the final tables, I will
say that you should. There should probably just be an
option that you can turn it off. Okay, I can
that be an option because you can like turn off sounds,
you can turn off certain animations like whatever. I like that.
When you get heads up, the money on the table
is not usd it's not US dollars. It looks like euros,
It looks looks like it could be Australian dollars. I
have no idea what it is. It's not American dollars.
That is, for damn sure, which I think is wildly hilarious.
Because wsip dot com is a US facing online poker site.
Speaker 2: Where is the software I made?
Speaker 1: Well, I just think that that's funny. But it doesn't
matter where the software is made, Like, you can't change
that for this, you.
Speaker 2: Sure you can I'm just saying that that the software
is European based, so they probably that was there. Yeah,
but that's also like the stuck image to put in
and that no one cared to change it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's wildly silly. Okay, it's also funny to me.
This is this is like kind of along the same lines.
But if you go play the blast sitting goes the
background stuff says it says eight eight eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it says eight eight to eight.
Speaker 1: Poker, because a poker obviously supplies the passion.
Speaker 2: Thought that was on all the tables. It's certainly on the.
Speaker 1: Bloss unless it's like not on the regular tables because
I have a different background or something. I don't know.
But the money thing is hilarious to me.
Speaker 2: I find you mentioned that in our group chat last night,
and that's when I was at the found table. But
I didn't want to like google it. I thought I
jinxed myself in bust, I mean I busted anyway.
Speaker 1: High Stakes Poker kicked off season fourteen last week Monday.
There will be new episodes just about every Monday for
the next I don't even know a handful of weeks.
I don't know exactly album the season in but I
will say that's a pretty good start to the season overall.
This one kicked off with Andrew Robel, Jared Blesnick, Seth Gottlieb,
Brandon Stephen, Justin Gavory, Mark Kulick, and Marcus Gonzalvez. You
had Blessnick, Gottlieb, Kulick, and Gonzalz were all making their
high Stakes Poker debuts, and then all the other players
have been on High Stakes Poker in the past, So
good blend of old and new. Like I said, I
thought it was a good start to the season. I
was entertained by the episode. There were some big pots.
I think having Jared Blesnick on there is just a
plus content. I mean, the guy's just an absolute character.
He's not scared to shy away from playing big pots,
getting involved. He certainly has a lot of personality. He's
a talker, all that sort of stuff. So I also
feel like, you know, Robull is sort of the king
of cash games right now, and until someone tells me
differently for a really good reason, he should almost always
have a seat on I six Poker. He's just the guy.
So yeah, those are kind of my initial thoughts, and
I thought it was a good start to the season
in the sense that I'm certainly looking forward to watching
the rest of the season, you know, starting with Monday's
episode coming up. So yeah, any thoughts from you initially.
Speaker 2: No, you're right. It was a great way to kind
of kick off the season with some pretty insane hands. Obviously,
that last one from Blesnik was pretty crazy. It was
good to see some new faces, you know. I feel
like we often get some plays, like very repetitive plays
in some of these cash games, but in fact, we
open this one up with, you know, several new faces
along with you know, the trustee Audit robl who's not
afraid to put a chip in the pot, same with
Brandon Steven was pretty cool. And from the PGT side
of things, seeing Seth Gottlieb on there is is very
interesting to me. I've only seen him play like one
event in my life in person. Sorry not, I'm not
counting any of this try and stuff, but so it's
interesting just to see how he kind of operates and
battles with these other high stakes crushes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gottlieb was also a player who was I was
drawn a little bit more towards just in terms of
getting to see their debut. I mean, we obviously know
a lot about Blessnick over the years. It was still
cool to see his debut. But you know, other than him,
you know, between Gottleeb, Gonzolves, and Kulick, you know, I
thought Gottlieb stood out to me just probably because of
like his his background on who he is in the
poker world. Just he's a very big backer of a
lot of players. So you know, what, what is he
going to bring to the game. Is he going to
be a big gambler? Is he going to be kind
of tight like? What is he going to have a personality?
I know he's good friends with Blesnick, so there's that dynamic.
So you know, I was certainly looking forward to seeing
how he played. And he got involved in at least
one big pot, so maybe that's a sign of things
to come. But you know, he was the one that
I was kind of drawn the most towards, and think
Gonzalz is you know, he's just Marcus is just a
pro like you know, he's just a pros pro like
he'll obviously do what needs to be done to play
in these games and get invited back, of course, but
very solid pro have known him for a while, So yeah,
I do have one question that just came to me
on Andrew Robo specifically Poker Hall of Famer. Well, he
definitely doesn't have like the tournament accolades, but wouldn't you
think of him? Now, I'm going to use his name
and that people listen, don't jump down my throat, But
I'm going to just use the name as kind of
a comparison David Oppenheim. Like David Openheim wasn't known for tournaments, right,
And all I'm saying is that, obviously Andrew Rouble is
not known for tournaments. He's known for me in a
high stakes cash game crusher. So is there a world
where he's a Poker Hall of Fame or is that
just never cross anyone's.
Speaker 2: Mind under the current format? No, he is thirty eight
years old. Of all the people that are not in
the Hall of Fame and have qualified via age, there
is a total of sixty five people ahead of him
age wise that I'm more likely to get in than him.
Speaker 1: Did you make that up?
Speaker 2: I can run you down the list with their birth
dates if you want. There's some people on there that
you could Probably you can definitely argue that Andrew robeles
ahead up. But I'm going to name some names coming
up in his you know nominee ye, okay, ready, good luck,
good luck Andrew Robe is what I'm going to start with.
Nick Parchangelo, we probably not, Chrissy Foxon definitely, Darren Elias interesting,
Jason Mercier, Bryn Kenny, Tom Dwan leave his name off,
Chance Corneth maybe, Sean Deep, John Reisner, Justin Bonoma, Isaac Hackson,
Jason Kuhn, Chris Mormon, Joey Ingram, Scott Severa, Ben Lamb.
None of those guys are forty yet, but they are
at least thirty eight. I can keep going if you want.
But every name I just named there probably would get
in before Robo. I mean, maybe not Joey Ingram, but
still I don't agree their resumes are strong enough to
get them in. Now. The Hall of Fame is a
I don't want to get too deep in not but
whatever it's. People are having to cast their own votes,
so if you were preferred by others, you've got more
chance of getting in. Now that's just the thirty eight
to forty year olds. If you want me to go
through the forty year old. It's a not we're talking Schulman,
A Lahi, Vanessa selps Ari, Angel mariaj. Nacho, Barbero, Grinder,
osmas Es Fondiari, Jack Effel, josh Ai Goss Hanson, Like,
there's still some formidable poker players that have like qualified
by age that I haven't even made a nomination ballot yet.
So unless they change the rules, I think it's nearly
impossible for Andrew ro Would to be in the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just ask him the question, that's all.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Again, he just seems to be the king of high
stakes cash games. Yeah, and I think he's probably somebody
who often gets overlooked, you know, kind of in a
similar sense, not to the degree, but in a similar
sense that Patrick Antonio's often got overlooked just because Patrick
never had obviously the tournament resume, right, you know, I
think Patrick is very deserving of the Hall of Fame,
and more so than than Robul overall. But you know,
if Robel continues to just dominate high stakes cash games
for the next what ten to fifteen years, you know what,
it's kind of my question, like, what's that case look
like then?
Speaker 2: And By the way, yes, I do have a Poker
Hall of Fame duck with names and ages in it.
Speaker 1: Of course I would expect this is a.
Speaker 2: Column if they've been nominated before.
Speaker 1: I mean, just incredible stuff. All right, last topic and
then we'll get out of here. So Borgata recently had
their Winter Poker Open, and for those that may have
been paying attention, they had the main event and it
finished with co champions. So I'm just going to read
from the recab article posted on poker dot org. Is
I just think that these two things are just kind
of stick out to me. This is the first and
this is in no way like a slight it at poker,
there's obviously reporting the news and doing their job. But
the first sentence of this recap article, after over two
weeks of action, thirty trophy events and millions in prize money,
awarded the marquee event of the Borgata Winter Poke Rope
and has crowned not one, but two champions. So that
right there, this is the marquee event of your series
and you crowned two champions. Very weird to me. If
you ask me like, I just don't, I don't understand.
Speaker 2: I hate it, absolutely hate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I want to you're the committee.
Speaker 2: Okay, just I'm I'm i am team chopped. It's you all.
It's the player's money. If they want to chop it up,
I don't mind, but you can add some caveats to it,
you know. And first of all, no, no, no co champions.
Here's the problem. This event has two trophies, has it
both a betam gam and a Bulgata trophy. So it's
like it kind of incentimizes them to chop and take
a trophy each because I bet you they each took
a trophy hunt. So no, none of this. Now, if
they do a chop and they want to flip for it,
the winner has to get more money.
Speaker 1: Okay, but let me just jump in here quickly because
also in this recap article, the section about heads up
play says they started in whatever they and they like,
somebody doubled the kind of got even. They played for
two hours before they eventually agreed to a chop, And
then it says, so they agreed to the chop. So
the winners were Joseph Nieman got four hundred and almost
four hundred and seven thousand, win League got four hundred
and twenty five thousand, So they agreeted that chop then
it says, I'm reading directly from the article. They then
ran a few blind hands to see who was signing
for first, but they both took home a trophy and
both even took some winner photos to crown the occasion. Well,
if they ran blind hands for somebody to sign for first,
that person in first place is the champion. End of story. Yes,
why are we promoting co champions? What are we doing here? People?
This is like, this is like if the PGT million
dollar Championship that just happened, they get to heads up play.
Jeremy Osmus and Nick Shulman come over, hey, Tim, we
want to be co champs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would tell them the funk off exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, let me come on. What are we
doing here? Seriously?
Speaker 2: Co champs? It's it's just not it's not poker.
Speaker 1: This is why listen. I'm I'm with you on the whole,
the whole. Like it's the player's money thing. They can
do whatever they want. I totally get it, but I
do just kind of wish that people would it would
just be accepted that, like, listen and you have to
leave five percent of the prize pool to play for
at a at a minimum, like and the trophy. Yeah,
like that's not even that a lot of money at
the end of the day. And if you want to
do some under the table dealings with that, go do
your thing whatever. But like, I mean, come on, I'm
also listening. I'm also against like the whole don't allow chops.
I think that's also ridiculous, by the way, So I'm
just I just but I feel like there should be
a winner, and I feel like when you're the operator here.
And this is why I want to bring this up
to you specifically, and why I use that example from
the PDT Championship is that as like the operator, and
going back to this first sentence, like this is the
marquee event of your series, your big series. You should
want a champion, somebody you can crown, somebody that you
can promote, somebody you can slap up their winner photo.
Like you know, imagine you walk into the the horseshoe
and instead of just Chris Moneymaker, it's Chris Moneymaker and
Sammy Faja shaking hands behind the money because they were
co champions in two thousand and three. No, this is
not how this works.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, it's not No, it's I hate everything about it.
Speaker 1: CO Champions, just say, listen, guys, you can do whatever
you want with the money, okay, but somebody's gotta sign
for first, and that person is getting the trophy. They're
going down as the winner of the event. Okay, the champion.
They're gonna get their name in the headlines, their photo
on the wall, they're gonna get out there in the
press release, all this sort of stuff. What are we doing,
CO Champions? What are we gonna see three, four, five champions?
I mean I also see eighteen player chops like on
the regular of these days.
Speaker 2: I mean, what, what's actually funny is that you bring
up a three play a chop. I'm trying to find it.
But the last time I was at Bolgada, there was
basically a three player chop for the main event and
it was on stream and they.
Speaker 1: Did like you're fine, who cares what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was the way it was done.
It was not good. But going back to this point,
Borgarda should be like, you know what, you guys want
to chop the money, that's fine. You guys want to
take it a trophy home that's fine, but you guys
got to play this out and we're crowning one champion,
and the one champion is going to take photos with
the trophies and that's what we're going to promote. Now.
If the other guy, if you guys make a deal
and one of you is getting one trophy and he
wants to take some photos, cool, pull out your iPhone,
but we ain't taking it because like that's even happened
in our studio, Like so no, we're not. We're not
going to do it that way. From the Borgarda's point
of view, We're going to do it official. We're going
to have a winner. We're going to promote this winner
at the next series. He will be our champion regardless
of how much money you chop for. But Borgarda should
also just be like, guys, you need to make you
got to do this properly. First has to get more money,
you know, simple as that, Like you can. It's fine
if the first guy wins thirty k more and wants
to pay thirty k to the other guy because they
made some deal off the table, that's fine, but the
head line has to have the whoever wins wins the
most money, because otherwise it just looks bad. And you
know what, it's happened on the PGT before and since then,
it will not allow be allowed to happen again.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't care about I don't care about
first not getting the most money. If there was some
sort of deal that was made, I don't necessarily care
about that. I just I just take more of an
issue with crowning co champions. I mean, it just seems
silly to be honest.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's say you and me got heads up and
we were crown card champions. Never it would never happen.
Speaker 1: Were first of all, we're never getting heads up.
Speaker 2: Second, you supposed say you're not good enough to get
that date. That's what you should have said. Which trophy?
Do you want to take time.
Speaker 1: Publicly tell you what my pipe dream is when I
when I get heads up with a friend in a
poker tournament.
Speaker 2: You a good friend to pretend you're playing for it all,
but you're no.
Speaker 1: We both just leave.
Speaker 2: You've said this before. This is the worst.
Speaker 1: This is what I don't think I've ever said it publicly.
Like if you and I were like, let's just go
to dinner and just don't tell anyone what are they
going to do? What are they going to do? Blind
us off? Okay, go ahead, Like I wanted.
Speaker 2: To ask you which trophy do you want? Do you
want the one that looks like the Bogata or do
you want the big Lion?
Speaker 1: The Borgata won by a million miles Borga. The Borgata trophy,
the the replica of their hotel tower is one of
the first trophies in poker that I saw and really wanted.
It's not as high up there on the list as
the wind trophies, which are similar, they're you know, replica
of the tower. But I want to win trophy more
than anything. I've always wanted one of these Borgada trophies.
I do not like this bed MGM trophy, Like I
think it should have just been like an actual like
a lion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's kind of too much like a Venetian then, right.
Speaker 1: Which which I always thought was weird because the lion
is MGM, because the lion's always.
Speaker 2: Been MGM, isn't the lion in the Venetian logo?
Speaker 1: I know, well yeah, but I've never associated it.
Speaker 2: It's actually you know what it's on a line. It's
like a yeah, I don't know what it is. It's
not a line, but it looks like a line. It's
a line with wings whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But like, you know, I think of what is it
the something in California they have the California Poker Open or.
Speaker 2: You mean the bear or the bear.
Speaker 1: The guy on the horse is bad, the Remington Horse.
That's for the Ali Poker Classic. Okay. I was also
going to say that. But then they also have the
the California State Championships or whatever it is, but they
have the bears. Those are cool too, like you know,
like that's why this should just be a you know
this this like it's like, okay, give me a square
and you know, put a plaque on it. Not that cool.
Give me the actual lion, you know, like that'd be badass.
I'm sure there's other things you could do, like you
know Aria uh, which is MGM, you know for the
Ario Poke rope. And I really like their trophies. I
thought they were awesome. Yep, you know, so I I
do think and listen, I think we need to get creative,
more creative with some of our trophies. Some of them
are very cool. Some of them have gotten pretty stale
to be honest.
Speaker 2: I think we're trying to work on a Pokemonsa's trophy.
That's the that's the one we're trying to work on
right now. Like I basically pitch them, we need a bronze.
Speaker 1: It should be like a little bust, but not a
bust of just the upper body of somebody wearing back
and out. Yeah, yeah, like that's what should be. But yeah,
but the Burgata trophies I've always really, really really liked.
I've only played a couple. I think I've only played
maybe two tournaments lifetime of Borgatta played zero.
Speaker 2: It's a It's how far That's pretty far? That was
pretty far away from you from that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a four and a half hour
drive from where I was in New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: What's What's the.
Speaker 1: Fox was? The Mohigan Sun were like an hour and
forty five? I remember, well, now it's some Encore on
Core Boston. I once drove down to Borgada for this
big weekend like multi flights whatever the heck, six hundred
five and all. I can't even remember what it was. Played,
ended up like getting I think somebody shoved the small blind.
I was in the big line with as King I
called they had some shitty hand like jack three or
something ridiculous, and like they won, and I was just
I remember, I was like so dejected. I was like,
I'm not even staying overnight. I'm just I'm driving home.
The hell with it, Like I'm just so like, I
was so upset, so upset. But anyway, Yeah, I've always
wanted one of those borgout trophies. So maybe maybe one
day I'll get back. All right, cool? Anything else, uh
that we got to talk about?
Speaker 2: Yes we did. We were on the topic of trophies.
Speaker 1: Lord yelling at me people out.
Speaker 2: There, I want to win Trophy of the the JPI
was so please go to my Twitter PGT Twitter and
vote for the Texas belt buckle. It's all asked for.
Just I think the voting against tomorrow Monday, and then
if we make it through, there's another round of voting.
Just vote for us. I don't know, but it's most
original trophy design. Surely we have a chance, big belt
buckle for Texas. Come on, if you support the podcast,
you need to go vote for us.
Speaker 1: What are you up against? I'll tell you if you're
going to you know what.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. I'm not looking. I'm voting you should
only look at the belt buckle. That's only trophy of
the matter. Sign.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If not, you're not allowed to listen to this podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're banned. I'm banning you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all right. Cool, that's all we got. Hopefully
you guys enjoyed this episode. We'll see if we can
make good on any of these predictions that we laid
out again. The twenty twenty five PGT season starts Monday,
January twentieth with the first event of the PGT Kickoff.
It's gonna be double points for every cash for the
series five events. The first four are five thousand dollars
buy ins, the last one is a ten thousand are buying. Okay,
last year we had what David Coleman won two events,
Kristen Foxon won an event, who else?
Speaker 2: Justin you and Dylan we I can't remember Justin.
Speaker 1: Young and that crazy ending? Was that the crazy ending?
Speaker 2: Hand?
Speaker 1: Or was that is David Colan one can't remember?
Speaker 2: That was I think the David Coleman one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of fun here again. We're going
to be streaming starting on Tuesday. At the final tables,
Remco and I will be on the call for those
final tables, so a lot of fun. Let's get this
PGT started right and big, and let's freaking go. That's
gonna do it for us. My name is Donny Peters,
his name is Tim Duckwork And we'll talk to you
guys next time.