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Speaker 1: Understand the thinking atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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an idea.

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Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through the.

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Speaker 1: Rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If I

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tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth, not because.

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Speaker 2: I put my hand on a book and made a.

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Speaker 1: Wish and working together for a more rational world.

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Speaker 2: Take the risk of thinking, feel so much more happiness.

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Truth Usian wisdom will come to you that way.

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Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.

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Speaker 2: A normally not big on bandwagon territory, but I do

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want to be topical. And this is what everybody's talking

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about now, the removal of Jimmy Kimmel from his broadcast.

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In fact, I think they cancel the whole broadcast or

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removed it indefinitely after he said what was alleged to

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be hate speech. Now, we live in a culture where

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anybody who says anything that offends a specific demographic is

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it's not just that a private organization is going to

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decide to yank him. And we do believe that there

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are rights by private organizations to be able to pull

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somebody who they do not think properly represents their brand.

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And that sounds amazing here unless you peel back layers

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of the onion to realize exactly what is going on.

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Let's start with a primmer. In his Monday night monologue,

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Kimmel said the Maga gang desperately trying to characterize this

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kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one

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of them, and doing everything they can to score political

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points from it. The late night host also noted flags

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being flown at half massed in honor of Kirk, which

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got some criticism at the time, and mocked US President

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Donald Trump's reaction to the shooting. This is not how

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an adult grieves the murder of someone he calls a friend.

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This is how a four year old mourns a gold fish. Okay, well,

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Jimmy Kimmel has been canceled by ABC, and Trump Calt

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is having a field day. They are gleefully laughing. There

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are people who are saying, hey, it's about freaking time.

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This hate speech will not be tolerated. You and I

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are seeing Charlie Kirk now the poster saint, the martyr

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for the evangelical right, and I want to get a

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little bit into what I mean by peeling back the

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layers of the onion. I had posted something on Facebook.

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I'm just going to read it for you here without

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showing the screen. Am I guilty of hate speech? I

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am a critic of the Bible, a fierce opponent of

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Christian nationalism, and an ex evangelical, secular humanist activist who

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wants a nation and world safe and equal for all.

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This includes Christians, those of non Christian faiths, the non religious,

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LGBT people, immigrants, people of color, etc. I roast sacred cows.

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I speak sharply about autocrats, zealots, grifters, and diviners. I

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want coequal branches of a representative government. I want religious

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expression protected under an administration that doesn't function as a

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national church. I want free people to be protected as

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they speak and act freely. I also like the words

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of Martin Luther King Junior, whom charge Kirk called an

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awful person. I criticize America because I love her. I

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want her to stand as a moral example to the world. Yet,

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from the suffrage movement to Vietnam, to the civil rights

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marches to the LGBT movement to the No Kings events

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of twenty twenty five. How many critics, satirists, and protesters

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have been branded national betrayers. It's bizarre many in today's

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America would call me a trader, wicked, an enemy of

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the United States and by association. God will the oligarch

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controlled platforms soon expand their hate speech hit to name

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people like me and what dominoes in my life and

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family may get kicked down? How will Free America punish

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me and you for speaking freely. I don't consider myself

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dangerous or traitoress. I think I'm a reasonable guy, a

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moral guy, and I'm just as American as everybody else.

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And I wanted to get into this private organization. Can

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ABC decide who they and who they don't? One in

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the air, I said, the right of a private organization

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to determine who represents them is absolutely protected. But there

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are issues. Number One, Kimmel was dumped by ABC, but

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when Brian Killmead advocated for the execution of homeless people,

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Brian got a gentle slap on the fingers. The double

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standard reveals a lot. The Federal Communications Commissioned Chairman Brendan

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The Benny Show, and he wrote the FCC chapter in

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the Christian Nationalist playbook Project twenty twenty five. He is

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now part of a movement to exploit Charlie Kirk's horrible

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murder to cancel speech, which he considers quote concerted efforts

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to deceive the American people. Meanwhile, Fox News' seven hundred

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eighty seven billion dollar settlement over their lies about dominion

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voting machines did not warrant a glance from Car. Those

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lies were outstandingly a concerted effort to deceive the American people.

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The authoritarian playbook is familiar territory, and that playbook includes

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calling media outlets to buttress the brand. Musk, Zuck, etc.

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Now Brendan Carrs FCC looms over broadcast licenses and media

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merger approvals. Jimmy Kimmel will, of course land softly. He's

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going to be just fun. But the inconveniencers, the flies,

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and the ointment, the critics, the satirist, everyday free speakers,

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they remain at the mercy of a system which is

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for the moment defined as those who hate America by

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Trump culture. I had this conversation recently with someone who

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is a more conservative friend, and they said, you bring

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some good points on but you know, Trump was elected democratically.

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and it's, in my opinion, a monumentally naive and reductive

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way to look at the entire situation, Especially if you

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look at polling. A lot of people are looking around

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who voted for Trump, going well, why the hell is

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this going on? I didn't vote for this, and you

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and I are pounding the table, going, actually, as you did,

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and ignorance is not an excuse. I wrote, no doubt

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This was also true with nineteen twenty two Mussolini, and

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then Mussolini dismantled the system that he used to gain power.

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plan is this, to scare people about vermin and various threats.

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You promise to protect the citizenry and restore national greatness,

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and you dismantle opposing systems so you can become king.

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I don't think it's unreasonable to hear somebody declare, as

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Trump did in twenty sixteen, I alone can fix it,

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before having the White House post photos of himself crowned

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as king while selling expensive Maga merch on his own

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private website. A recent New Yorker investmentstigation had Trump profits

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by presidency at three point four billion, with a b

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billion dollars all the while Maga is grimacing about Hunter Biden.

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There seems to be no line if Trump says or

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does the worst he didn't do it, or he didn't

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mean it, or context, or he's just playing four D

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chess or I elected a president, not a pastor, which

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is a strange line from the pearl clutchers who lost

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their minds over Bill Clinton getting a blowjob. I had

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a Trump voting friend tell me last month, I think

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America needs an asshole right now, someone who can just

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get things done. What are Trump's critics to him, if

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not betrayers. Those who freely speak real concern about the

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twenty five plus rape accusations and the e gene convey

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which was just reinforced by an appeals court. Those who

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deal is fiction. Those concerned over Trump's declaration that a

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president can quote do anything I want to do, Those

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including a bunch of Christians, who say that Trump is

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the antithesis of Christ's best teachings. Right, what if we

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make these protests, What if we say what they would

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consider to be a betrayal of the United States? Are

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we hate speakers? We don't want to make America great again?

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You know, if you oppose these people, you are literally

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accused of heresy. I have never seen a political atmosphere

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like this in my lifetime, nothing even close. And there's

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a zealotry that concerns me, especially as somebody who has

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been called frequently demonic I'm believer, I'm a secular atheist activist. Okay, fine, well,

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non Christians are they are in the arms of Satan.

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They're hanging out with the devil. The word they is

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being used as a dog whistle by the right to

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stoke outrage, perhaps even prompt a new civil war. I

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did a video about this recently. White House Deputy Chief

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of Staff Stephen Miller recently demonized the left, claiming that

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those Americans have an insatiable thirst for destruction, they practice

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wicked ideology and infect the halls of our institutions with

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a sinister, chilling glee. His words. I didn't have the

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destruction of democracy and decency on my daytimer. I'm not

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exactly sure what I'm missing here. Day is one of

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those loaded words. It's almost like when the mob says

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they want somebody taken out, but they don't say the words.

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You know, it'd be a shame if something happened to them.

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You know, somebody out to do something about those guys,

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you know, I mean, anyone who is familiar with the

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power of language understands exactly what they are talking about. Oh,

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I wanted to define hate speech From the American Library

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Association Hate Speech and Hate crime. Hate speech is any

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form of expression through which speakers intend to vilify, humiliate,

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persons on the basis of race, religion, skin color, sexual identity,

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gender identity, ethnicity, disability, or national origin. Hate crimes are

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overt acts that can include acts of violence against persons

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Now I find this interesting. There is no legal definition

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of hate speech under US law, just as there is

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no legal definition for evil ideas, rudeness, unpatriotic speech, or

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any other kind of speech that people might condemn. Generally, however,

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hate speech is any form of expression through which speakers

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tend to vilify, humiliate, or incite hatred against a group

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or class of persons on the criteria that we described

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just a moment ago. Now, I don't think I'm a

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free speech absolutist. I know some people I think hitch was.

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You know, you can say anything anywhere and you should

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be protected. But do people have the right to hate?

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say the words of hate? Well, I believe that if

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we live in a nation which protects speech, it has

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to protect the awful speech as well. Right If you

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and I live in a nation where the only speech

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that is protected is the speech we like, that's not

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free speech. It's messy, it's sometimes disturbing. We can be

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outraged at the speech of other people. We can say

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that it's toxic and awful. But is it free? I

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think so. If you are calling down or calling for

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violence upon someone, if that type of thing is going

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you can't call bomb threats into a building, or you know,

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you can't call for a I don't know, a civil

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war against a literal civil war against people. You know

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what I'm saying. But it's messy. It's like obscenity laws

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came out of FM radio, and I remember they were

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trying to teach us about obscenity law when I was

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in college, and they're like, it is one of the

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most ill defined bodies of law in all of law.

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the prurient interests of the most susceptible in an immoral

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way would be considered obscene. Well, good luck defining that.

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I mean, if we were to be reductive, it boils

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sexual I mean, you can't even do that. How do

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you define obscenity? And the same is true when it

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comes to speech. And so I myself think, Okay, well

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they start here at the major media outlets, and I

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don't think it's unreasonable to think that in a nation

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where I believe six six companies own roughly ninety percent

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of all TV and radio outlets, and I think that

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as well. It is a very very very small number

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of very influential and wealthy corporations that own the media.

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You've got Elon Musk who owns x. He has monopolized

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an entire fire hose of disinformation. Musk and Zuckerberg right

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on Facebook cannect with almost total autonomy and decide what

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the algorithms reject or accept, who's going to get amplified,

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who's going to get deleted. And these people have been

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slobbering in the White House over Donald Trump. Do you

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see that It was conference, but it was all of

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the tech bros sitting around the table and they all

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their head up Trump's ass, telling them how amazing he is, now,

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wonderful he is. And don't tell me these people aren't

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filling their pockets and getting government contracts and consolidating power

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and strategic you think they give a shit about Donald Trump.

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These are oligarchs who have a stranglehold on the flow

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of information, on the conduits, the silos of information here.

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Federal Communications commission weaponized to take out anyone and everyone

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you are safe from the information which might harm you

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and harm America. This has been the calling cards, This

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has been strategy and the tactics of authoritarian since forever.

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So Natalie and I are talking. Things are so hot,

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things are so intense. What's the next step? Is there

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a rebellion in the entertainment industry? Did you see freaking

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Tucker Carlson came forward to decry Jimmy Kimmel's firing. Damn

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it for making me agree for this micro second with

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Tucker Carlson. I'm mad about that. If you've lost Tucker Carlson,

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you know what I'm saying, If you've lost Tucker Carlson.

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So is there going to be a revolt? Well the

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pendulum swing back the other way? Or is this this

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the beginning the first steps?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: So then all of the other inconvenient critics, you know,

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they go after the John Stewarts, and then let's cancel

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South Park and let's do all of the other outlets

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that have been apparently on American and then let's move

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down the tier. Well, who's next, Well, look out, if

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you've ever produced any content saying Charlie Kirk wasn't Jesus,

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or if you say Christianity is bullshit, or if you

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have criticized dear Leader, now you are also guilty of

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hate speech, and the oligarchs have the power to shut

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us out. I'd someone tell me, well, fine, finding if

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they cancel your channels, you can just go somewhere else,

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start something else, somewhere you know, this America, this America,

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and just start something else. And I'm like, you gotta

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be shitting me. I don't have I don't have a

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trillion of the resources to begin a global social network

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and broadcasting enterprise and infrastructure to be able to get

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the message out back. I simply cannot We cannot do this,

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you know, saying it's like somebody with one hundred bucks

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to start a corner store is supposed to compete with Walmart.

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How's that happen? How much of a chance did they

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freaking have. It's so naive. I can't believe Brian Killmead

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wasn't tossed out of the building even by Fox News.

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Where's the line? Well, I'm very sorry that I said

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those things. It was very insensitive. No, Brian Killmead said

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the quiet part out loud. He actually said what he

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was thinking. Those are my initial thoughts, but I want

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to hear yours. We go to the phones next. This

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is an extra podcast this week. It's free to every Boddy,

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free to patrons, etc. We're just talking about something that

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happened yesterday, the removal of Jimmy Kimmel from ABC's lineup

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because he was just, I don't know, too hateful. That's

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the narrative being spawn out there in Maga lands. I

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want to find out what you think. Aaron is dialing

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in from New York. Aaron, can you.

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Speaker 3: Hear me, I can hear you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Nothing? I just I caught your show here in the

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middle of the day. I just happened to be home,

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and I'm glad I was able to get through to you.

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I don't know this whole this whole thing, for me,

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is is the sign of scary times. I'm not I'm

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not a religious person. I don't believe in, you know,

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whatever doomsday stuff Bible says, but I do see things

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turning in a horrible direction, and if you watch anyone

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who reads or writes anything about fascism, authoritarianism, these are

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these are step by step things that are happening right now.

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Military industreets, the silencing of the centers, calling news outlets

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and making them part of you know, making them like

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put your agenda as there as their main things, silencing them.

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You know, I'm I'm more concerned about the deafening silence

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that I'm hearing or not, you know, you know what

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I mean, Like, there's a deafening silence from everyone you

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know about what's happening right now, and I think that's

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what's aggravating and making me angry. I mean, I don't know.

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Maybe I'm reading I'm being hyperbolic, I'm reading too much

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into this, But I don't know. Sometimes right now I'm worried.

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Speaker 2: I think many share your worth. I think many people

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do see military in the streets and the monopolizing of

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the message and the branding of all critics as treasonous

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and dangerous and vermin I think many would agree with you, Aaron,

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So yeah, totally get it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, Like I hate the you know,

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I compare this to like you if you want to

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if you want to discuss, let's say, a corrupt cop

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or a criminal act by a police source, so that

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that is, let's say it's one hundred percent Troy like

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you saw it, you witnessed it, this evidence, and the

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person is convicted. So I have to preface every time

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I talk about a corrupt cop by saying, well, you know,

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most cops are good. You know. I don't want to

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have to preface that anymore. And I don't want to

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have to preface the fact that while Charlie Kirk, you know,

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and and his his his murder, his assassination was horrific

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and sets us back decades as far as you know,

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a dialogue in this country. I don't want to have

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to preface that every time I say that what he

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said was was foul. The things he said was, you know,

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it was so dismantling of our our fucking our culture

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and our country and what we stand for. You know.

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I don't want to have to say, well, you know,

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what they did to him is wrong. You know, I

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know that. I think anybody would common sense knows that.

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that that caveat before you say whatever you're going to say.

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And I think that the people that I've seen set

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the people that I've watched on YouTube, I haven't seen

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any of the people dancing on his grave the way

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people say they are. Maybe they exist, I haven't seen them.

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them are like, this was wrong, this was wrong, this

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was horrific. Right, And then they say, but this is

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what he said, and that's what they're saying, what he said.

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Speaker 2: Well, I saw I saw some dancing on his grave.

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I saw people who were partying on social media. I

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saw people who were like, you know, fuck that guy,

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I'm one less bigot. I'm glad he's gone. I'd piss

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on his grave. You're going to find that in any tribe,

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in any culture, that we are not immune. I understand frustration.

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I also understand I think it's a tremendously unfortunate way

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to approach political violence, and it plays into a narrative

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that makes the job harder, you know, for speakers, for

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speakers across the board. You know, do people have the

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right to say and think those things? Yes, they do.

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But it kind of irritates me because I think, as

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I did you can go through and list the problem,

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add things that Charlie Kirk said and did without saying yeah, yay,

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I can't wait. You know, another bigot bites the dust

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who because the subtext of that is, well, I guess

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more bigots need to be taken out, and then it's

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a de facto endorsement of the shooter, et cetera. So

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I did say some of that, but I also saw

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a lot more respectful protest. Who was the preacher who said,

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you know, if he wasn't good in life, we shouldn't

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deify him in death, and I think that is an

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accurate That's a healthy way to approach it. Aaron I agree.

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Speaker 3: I agree. It's just that it's so one sided from

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this administration, where like we put our flag at half

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man half staff, you know, for a non elected public figure,

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and then you know, a Minnesota senator was shot and

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killed and nothing was done to honor that person. So

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I you know, again the administration is moving in a

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dangerous direction. But they told us what they were going

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to do. They let us know that, they they let

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us know, and anyone who's saying is that we couldn't

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see this coming. We should have seen it coming because

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Project twenty twenty five is being enacted right now, and

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I think people don't want to see it. They want

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to act like it's not happening, and they think if

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they do that, then maybe it won't And it's a

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dangerous position to take in my humble opinion. You know,

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I need to we need to wake up. And you know,

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guys like Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert and I don't

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know who's going to be next. I don't know, like

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anyone who disagrees the average YouTuber, the average person that says, hey,

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you know this is wrong. Look at what their ice

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is doing. Look at what these people are doing, Look

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at this new thing that they're trying to do. Is

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that going to be the next person that gets canceled?

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You know, it's dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Well, Aaron, I appreciate you calling to express yourself and

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those positions, opinions, perspectives, and thanks for being a part

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of the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, sir.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Elan Thomas dialing in from five to seventy four.

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Are you there? What's up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? What's up?

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Speaker 5: How you doing?

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Speaker 4: I want to take you back on Aaron. I disagree

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about the existential threat of fascism. I think every generation

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of every uh Silver's president has a threat. Everyone thinks

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their sides the other side of plosua, sides to the

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really horrible things, and that's why it's important what Charlie

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Kick did is having dialogue between conservatives and Democrats on

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the topic of free speech. I agree with you that

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it's complicated. You should be able to say vile things

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as protected under free speech, but maybe in this day

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and age, it's not smart to post it publicly so

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your boss doesn't see it or someone can use it

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against you. I know that's kind of a sad state.

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Speaker 2: But now, look, if I was an employer and I

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saw that somebody representing my company was saying genuinely vitriolic things.

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They were using the N word, or they were being

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disparaging against gay people or whatever, I would want to

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know that because that person being a representative of me,

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and I would want to be able to make a

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decision as to whether that person would represent me or not.

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I get that if someone was If I was a conservative,

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Republican evangelical and my employee was, let's say, a progressive

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Muslim who was a critic of Christianity. That is a

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different conversation altogether, and I think that type of speech

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falls into a different category. Regarding Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk

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did stunt debates. He went through to these college campuses

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and he put up these little things. He had people

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come in college kids, many of whom were not nearly

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as prepared as he was. He already had his answers

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in his back pocket. He knew his talking points by

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heart because he did them from city to city. He

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wasn't interested in meaningful dialogue. He was putting together content

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for clicks. He was sound biting himself for the purpose

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of promoting his own ideas and brand. This was not

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meaningful discourse. So this idea that well, he went out

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and engage the political opposition in good faith because he

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wanted the best ideas to win the day. I find

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monumentally naive. He went into college campuses, he put up

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his tend he rolled his cameras, and he used his

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talking points, and then he monetized that and used it

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to build himself into what is now the martyrs saint

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that he is. And I think that's a different conversation

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than debate.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I respectfully disagree. I think that if you look

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at Eric Hoften's work or Johnston Heights work, and a

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lot of other people that study the political differences, and

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the universities especially, you have an overwhelming number of liberals, professors, Marxists, communists,

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and student body that is liberal, and therefore conservative ideas

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aren't really being exposed to a lot.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to hang on hang on on that point?

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You don't think that students are being exposed to conservative

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ideas in this culture? And what if we have seen

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more one party, one culture, hang on one one party

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or one culture more than another, has leaned away from science,

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has leaned away from civil rights, has leaned away from

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reproductive choice, has leaned away from sensible foreign policy not

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rooted in the Book of Revelation. We may and if

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I'll just say it this way, we may see that

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they're not instructors. They're not pushing a liberal agenda as

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much as they are teaching what is actually real and

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reality may have a little bit of a liberal bias.

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It leans liberal right. It's not the right wing that

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have gone after LGBT people because they're an abomination. It's

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not the right wing or I'm sorry, it's not the

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left that's going after them. It's not the left that

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denied climate change, it's not the left that are vax deniers,

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that denied COVID. It's not the left who we're talking

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about Israel like it's Zion. It's simply not. And so

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if it leans a little more progressive, that may mean

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that the problem is not the progressive. The problem is

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the right is increasingly untethered to reality.

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Speaker 4: Right, I disagree because I know a lot of right

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being atheists and they're very resonable people. And as far

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as the COVID vaccine, like, if you looked into the detail,

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it was really good vaccine for adults and people that

472
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had sicknesses. But if you look at the age dependence

473
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on the vaccine, whether it's it good for them or not,

474
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people are still pushing it for little kids and that

475
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was unnecessary. People are pushing masks for kindergarteners and they

476
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would take them off during nap time, which is unnecessary.

477
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Speaker 2: That you have this bush look at you. You aren't

478
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going to pedal. You're not going to pedal COVID disinformation

479
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:27,559
on this program. You're simply not sure and and to say, hey,

480
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,200
I know some nice right wing atheists has nothing to

481
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do with what I had just said about how those

482
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who lean much more right wing are those who historically

483
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and now culturally have leaned away from the reality that

484
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we live in scientifically, ethically, philosophically, I think in many

485
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cases morally okay.

486
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Speaker 4: And so the problems with this set one of the

487
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problems with the set. And I really appreciate your show,

488
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:02,240
but how often do you have have people like bols Riley,

489
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Glenn Lowery, I'm rolling fire, having McDonald, Coleman, Hughes, Camille Foster,

490
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:12,639
Michael Morniahan all these atheists that are either libertarian or

491
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,239
lean a little right or in the center on to

492
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,119
have to have different the nigh who was highly crucial

493
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of the COVID virus are the COVID vaccine and the

494
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masking of little kids and all the ramvocation of that.

495
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Speaker 2: Oh, I've got hands in the air all the time.

496
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I had somebody just a couple of days ago with

497
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their hand in the air. You know, they had their

498
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,079
hand in the air going I'm an atheist conservative. Debate me,

499
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,639
you coward, or have me on your show, you coward.

500
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,199
You know what when hold on? When it comes to

501
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the COVID vaccine, you know who I'm gonna have on.

502
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:52,480
I'm going to have one on next week. I'm going

503
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to have on a biologist, just like I had Ken

504
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,239
Miller this cell biology. I'm going to have some somebody

505
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who was an actual scientist, not a right wing ideologue.

506
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And don't tell me I don't already know what the

507
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,239
right wing talking points are. You think I'm going to

508
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,840
signal boost that here. I can choose who I do

509
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and do.

510
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Speaker 4: Not what is progressive and is progressive? And he's an

511
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epidemiologist at Stanford, Okay, And good to have opposing views,

512
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and that's where you start the show.

513
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Speaker 2: I am not, but I'm not in an opposition Christian Jesus.

514
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Speaker 4: When you were Christian, you wish you could talk to atheists? Right, No,

515
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:39,280
some atheists was allowed to talk to you without being demonized. No,

516
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and I think you lost track of that.

517
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Speaker 2: No. When I was a Christian, atheists weren't really on

518
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,679
my radar other than they were just in opposition to God.

519
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And I know you want to take my position when

520
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,079
it comes to hang on. I know you want to

521
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,880
take my position when it comes to COVID, I don't know.

522
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We'll call it other scientific things like climate change and

523
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,159
things that your right wing liberty and atheist friends may

524
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:03,519
also be skeptical about. And you want to make that

525
00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:06,719
a religious argument, well, Seth, I'm sorry that you were

526
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:11,599
rightly skeptical about religion, but you're wrongly unskeptical about all

527
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of these other things. And here's a laundry list of

528
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:17,559
guests that if you were fair, you would have. I

529
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,079
quite frankly, would rather talk to the scientists about the

530
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actual science. And even if you find a few, even

531
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if you find some fringe scientists who stand well outside

532
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,280
the mainstream, and I don't care. I mean, we've seen

533
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that with Stephen Meyer, PhD. And we've seen some we've

534
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seen was a wakefield and all these other agents of disinformation.

535
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:39,920
I'm not going to bring them on here and give

536
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them a platform. I'm simply not going to do that.

537
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Speaker 4: And I have the right to decide talking about these

538
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French wacos, I'm not at all, I promise you. I

539
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,119
believe the COVID vaccine was a good calls and it

540
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,039
was amazing that was, but it's it's a more nuanced,

541
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complicate discussion. It wasn't good for little kids, it wasn't

542
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,079
necessarily little kids, masks weren't good for little kids, and

543
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some of the policies were forned were seen to be horrible.

544
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Speaker 2: In the end, I will allow and that's all that

545
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COVID was a moving target and it happened extremely quickly,

546
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and that mistakes were made right, they were learning as

547
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:18,719
they went. But all of these myths I heard, the

548
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,280
one recently about pregnant women, that's bullshit, et cetera. Right,

549
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,599
pregnant women shouldn't get the vaccine, or actually they should.

550
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And when it came to the protection of children's let's say,

551
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let's say that they overreacted and inoculated children when they

552
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did not have to. And I'm happy to look into

553
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the science the scientists from Stanford's name that you brought up. Uh,

554
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I'm going to need a spelling on that put it

555
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in the.

556
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Speaker 6: All.

557
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Speaker 2: I'm happy to look into that. But this idea that

558
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being pro science is as much a right as it

559
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is a left thing, and that it's reflected in our universities.

560
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As the Libs are essentially suffocating the halls of education,

561
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maybe the people who are teaching things like evolutionary science.

562
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Maybe the people who are teaching comparative religions classes instead

563
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,559
of being praguer you. Maybe the people who are more

564
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:25,599
rooted and tethered into the real simply happen to lean

565
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:32,599
more liberal because reality leans more liberal. I hold it that.

566
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I think that's that's accura.

567
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Speaker 4: Maybe, but I think are different than you. I don't

568
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attach religion to conservatism. Conservatism is political. I don't attach

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it to religion.

570
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Speaker 2: Now everything's political. Everything is political. Religious, tell me Project

571
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,960
twenty twenty five isn't political and that it's not Christian.

572
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,480
Tell me the Project twenty twenty five being implemented pretty

573
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much across the board is both not religious and not political.

574
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Speaker 4: See, I've heard contra arguments the product twenty five NBA implemented. Really,

575
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,000
so it all depends on really who you listen to?

576
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:13,519
Speaker 7: You? What do you mean?

577
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

578
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 4: I try my best. I try my best to listen

579
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,320
to both sides. Okay, well the full picture because everyone's

580
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gonna stew.

581
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just talked about the President of the Federal

582
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Communications Commission, who has the power to approve or disapprove

583
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:39,320
all media mergers and approve or disapprove licenses to all

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media outlets. This man wrote the FCC paragraph in Project

585
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twenty twenty five, And you think, well, I am I

586
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taking that out of context.

587
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Speaker 4: Well, if that's true, then I believe you that's horrible

588
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and I would disagree with that immensely. Well, okay, let

589
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me give another example. Crime a change, right, Why are

590
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so many leftists against nuclear power when that has the

591
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,159
best option. Why has green pushed so much for nuclear power?

592
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Is cleaner, better, more sustainable, more persistent. So you have

593
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these these lines to the left too when it comes

594
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to climate change. Change is real.

595
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Speaker 2: I don't think I am on the left and I

596
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,400
support nuclear power. Is that weird?

597
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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I mean I don't hear that a lot

598
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,960
from people from the left. So less I'm saying, it's

599
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,159
sometimes the left and right gets clouted on the big

600
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issues that are spread across being stream nia versus good conversation.

601
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Well you know Thomas Well, yes, most of the people

602
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on campus that I talked to, I would say about

603
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:53,000
ninety nine percent of them, even the ones in business,

604
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,960
never heard of Thomas Well, and he's a legend of America.

605
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Underrated genius, you don't think so.

606
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Speaker 2: I mean, okay, you can build him up if you want.

607
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My thing is, I'm not as interested in the man

608
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,360
as I am the ideas. Oh wow, he's a genius.

609
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,199
Doesn't really do much in the arena of ideas for

610
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you and me. I think this this this okay, fine,

611
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:28,559
you're like his ideas. This notion that all of the

612
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left are against nuclear power, I've seen. I think even

613
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if d don trema and I hope I didn't misrepresent her,

614
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the s ibabe, I think she said that she thinks

615
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,800
nuclear power makes sense. My bigger concern is the vilification

616
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of green policies by people who are receiving squillions of

617
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dollars by fossil fuel companies, and they resist any kind

618
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,679
of green legislation, be it solar, wind, et cetera, and

619
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,119
they have vilified those who do so. Now this is

620
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:05,599
you know, we're not seeing We're not seeing this sort

621
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of in the pocket let's burn as much coal as

622
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we can activism on the left. We are seeing it

623
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,840
more on the right. And it's interesting how much money

624
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:19,639
is involved. I don't think let's let's develop technologies that

625
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,400
don't fuck up the planet should be a controversial idea.

626
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:29,400
I just think that's common sense, good sense, right, Yeah.

627
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Speaker 4: But if you listen to or read Michael schl or

628
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,679
Steve Newpan, Jesus Christ, how many names are you going

629
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:35,119
to give me?

630
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Speaker 2: Tell me your ideas? Right, you can invoke as many

631
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,039
names as you want. What do you think.

632
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Speaker 4: I'm just where they were, Like, I'm just seeing where

633
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,199
I got them from and what I liked about them.

634
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So I would like to get them credit. And so

635
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,920
someone wants to say, oh, I'll check that guy out.

636
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Speaker 2: That's all right, all right, Thomas, that is fair, that's

637
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straight off.

638
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. Uh so for green energy have a

639
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,719
lot of trade offs that are not mentioned. You have

640
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a highly destructive of land because you have to gain

641
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,159
all these rare minerals. You have the intermittent power. You

642
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,840
have the destruction and the waste of all these windmills

643
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,559
when they when they don't last very long. You don't

644
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:18,880
replace him to destroy them. That costs a lot of money.

645
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,599
They don't have a long lifespan. You have the destruction

646
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:24,000
of birds in the air with these windows. You have

647
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solar energy that's only using part of the planet, and

648
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,119
you don't have the lines to get that power, even

649
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,719
from the desert all the way because our infrastructure sucks

650
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,519
so solar energy is only available in certain areas of America.

651
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You know, the solar plants.

652
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Speaker 2: I'm going to stop you don't You.

653
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Speaker 4: Don't see you don't see that. You don't see that

654
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nuance and the green energy pushes.

655
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Speaker 2: It is very true that it's like electric cars. People

656
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,119
like to say that the EV is like being a

657
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,199
hippie and now you're back to nature and you're saving

658
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,920
the planet, ignoring the fact that it is the grid

659
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,800
which charges the lithium battery that runs the EV and

660
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,400
then we have to still develop better technologies for battery

661
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,920
manufacturing and recycling. Solar is the same, wins the same.

662
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,360
They're all going to be problematic, they're all going to

663
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,400
have their issues, but there is a lesser evil, and

664
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we are seeing a resistance to the idea of evolving

665
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how we create energy in this country. So no one

666
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said they aren't flawed or problematic, but they also aren't

667
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all equal. And I have seen that the people who

668
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,199
are more interested and these environmental concerns are people who

669
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are on the left. More alarmingly, I see some people

670
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who are part of the evangelical right who don't give

671
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,360
a shit because they think that Jesus is going to

672
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show up next week and take everybody away, and he's

673
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going to wipe the slate clean. This is a resource

674
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we've been given dominion over. We get to use it

675
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up and leave it in whatever state we choose. That

676
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is an evangelical right thing. You and I can go

677
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,559
on and on and on, Thomas. I do appreciate you.

678
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,199
I I know we've had a spirited conversation here. I'm

679
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,280
going to and when I walk away, go back and

680
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,119
listen to this call, and I promise you I'm going

681
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:16,199
to do my best to assess, to assess the things

682
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:19,079
that you have said, and to try to approach them fairly.

683
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And you know, I think that's what that's the responsible

684
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thing to do. Would that be okay with you? Thomas?

685
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Speaker 4: That would be lovely And I really appreciate your time set.

686
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Speaker 2: No, yeah, you and I aren't enemies. I think we

687
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just this is spirited debate. Okay, spirited debate.

688
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Speaker 4: Would you mind if I sent a list of my

689
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favorite atheist conservatives to checked out and you can decide

690
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whether you're worthy of you.

691
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Speaker 2: Here's a specific group of atheist conservatives that and they've

692
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come after me online. And if the stuff you're going

693
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to send me is anything like what I have seen

694
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from them. Uh, we're not going to get very far. Uh.

695
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,039
They have, in my opinion, gotten sucked into even an

696
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,320
alt right black hole. And the fact that they are

697
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,280
atheists does not mean anything. Doesn't mean that they are

698
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,800
necessarily rationalist. It doesn't make them humanist. It just means

699
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:19,840
they got correct. The easiest question on the planet, is

700
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there any evidence for God? So you can send me

701
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a right wing atheist?

702
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Speaker 4: No, tell YouTubers or Instagram powers.

703
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Speaker 2: Is just I don't give a shit where they came from.

704
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:36,039
I'm saying that if they have gotten sucked into the

705
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:39,800
alt right machine, that's not going to purchase very much

706
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,519
with me. You're welcome to send me some links and

707
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some names and I'll take a look. But I am

708
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well familiar with what the right has been pitching. It's

709
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what I do every day. Okay, okay, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, thank you for your time, man, appreciate you a

711
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lovely day and.

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Speaker 7: Take it all right.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you. Thomas. I spent thirty years in right

714
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,079
wing culture. I wrote a book called Confessions of a

715
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:10,159
Former Fox News Christian, which got into right wing issues,

716
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,880
specifically whether it was reproductive rights or the lack of

717
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:19,960
whether it was healthcare, foreign policy, gun control, the death penalty, etc.

718
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,039
Let me send you something that'll explain what the right

719
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:32,559
skeptics are saying. We'll I already know what the right

720
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says and we do it every single day. So is

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the responsible thing to say? All right, We'll send me

722
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a list of people and what I'm supposed to go

723
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read all their books? Or do I read all their books?

724
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And who's got the bandwidth for that? But is there

725
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a way to get into it where it's manageable? I

726
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don't know what are your thoughts about this? I want

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to call it? Is it Shana s h I n

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a at five oh four? Yes, it's me, I said, I,

729
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what's going on?

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Speaker 5: I have been Hey, I have been a fan of

731
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:23,599
you for since I've honestly you've helped me get out

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of Christianity since I was like eighteen.

733
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Speaker 2: You're very kind.

734
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Speaker 5: I am a millennial. I have two children, a high

735
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schooler and a fifth grader. And this is scary. This

736
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is super scary. Yeah, my oldest son has in his

737
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:52,599
high school there is a club called Turning Point, and yeah,

738
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they're everywhere, and I believe it or not, the teacher

739
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who sponsors the.

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Speaker 3: Nast teacher.

741
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Speaker 5: So it's just mind boggling to me.

742
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Speaker 2: Is this the same Turning point that Charlie Kirk founded?

743
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Is it an affiliate of Turning Point USA? Do you know?

744
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Speaker 5: Oh? Yes, yes, that is it.

745
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Speaker 4: That is it.

746
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Speaker 5: I see And when I so so when I listen

747
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,800
to you and you you know, you speak about free

748
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,800
speech and how you know we we do need to

749
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,039
allow the hateful speech, we do. I mean, that's it is,

750
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:36,960
that's that is what free speech is, right like south Park? Yeah, thank,

751
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:39,199
This is the.

752
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Speaker 4: Funny.

753
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Speaker 2: I'm losing your speech. I'm losing your.

754
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:49,199
Speaker 5: Shame like hey, hey, sorry.

755
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,639
Speaker 2: Hello, No, now I've got you back. But I didn't

756
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want to miss anything critical that you're saying. So if

757
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:58,519
I'm understanding you, you know that we to the First

758
00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:00,840
Amendment doesn't just cover the good stuff. It has to

759
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,199
cover the awful, awful, awful stuff. But as a mother

760
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and as a human being, the power of that speech

761
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is terrifying in this climate, especially that I hear that

762
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right right, Yes.

763
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Speaker 6: Yes it is.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I when when we talk about free speech, I think,

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to the core, it's good to have. But when you look,

766
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when we look back at you know, nineteen thirty three

767
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through you know forty five. That's what That's what Hitler

768
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ran on was free speech. He that's exactly what he

769
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ran on, and and this administration is doing the same thing.

770
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And that's that's exactly what they're doing with Charlie Kirk.

771
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I mean, they're turning him into some kind of martyr.

772
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Speaker 2: It's sad that I think this way, but it's not

773
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,320
my fault that I think this way. I think this

774
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:09,679
is conditioned response. Charlie Kirk's assassination is a horror. It

775
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,800
is a horror of political violence that should be rejected

776
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,920
by all moral people. I don't think Donald Trump is

777
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,960
a moral person, and I honestly think he is rubbing

778
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,800
his hands with delight at this gift, because now they

779
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have someone that they can use as a poster boy

780
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as an excuse, they can exploit the assassination of Charlie

781
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Kirk to then wage war on anyone and everyone that

782
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they arbitrarily consider the enemies of America and the enemies

783
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of God. Was it Matt who was it Matt Walsh

784
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,679
or Matt Foley or somebody was calling the left demonic?

785
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:50,679
Elon Musk called the left the Party of murder. This

786
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,519
is civil war language. And I understand how scared you

787
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are because I definitely feel it. And I don't think

788
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I'm a free speech absolutist. I think hitch once said that,

789
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you know, go into a crowded movie theater in yell fire, fire,

790
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,639
fire fire. He did it during speech, as if that's protected.

791
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,119
I don't think that's I don't think that should be allowed.

792
00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:17,639
It becomes a public safety issue, which reveals this weird

793
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,039
gray area. How do you define it? It's instance by instance,

794
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,639
it's subjective, it's contextual, it's all of these things. It's messy,

795
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and human beings do not like messy.

796
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Speaker 3: Do we?

797
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Speaker 5: Right See, where I'm where I'm conflicted is in public school,

798
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because I mean, I pay my taxes, I'm a firm

799
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believer in public school. I like, I'm sending my kids

800
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to public school, regardless of the fact that it's pretty

801
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,639
terrible now.

802
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Speaker 7: It's not.

803
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Speaker 5: It's not what it used to be, even when I

804
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was in school in the nineties.

805
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Speaker 2: You know.

806
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 5: It's just I feel as though right wing media has

807
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,480
pretty much taken over our entire country, whether it be

808
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,039
seeping into high school or just seeping into left wing media.

809
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,920
It's like it's I read a while back, like the

810
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:27,239
spectrum of media and how right wing has pushed the

811
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left so far right that the left is barely even

812
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:39,400
the left anymore. And I think that the response to

813
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:47,800
that push is not I don't think it's enough to

814
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,360
combat the right. If you understand what I'm saying. I

815
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,000
feel like the right is so hardcore and extreme it

816
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,000
that that I think it's gonna get really bad before

817
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,199
it gets any better. And that's just like the unfortunate

818
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,400
realization of myself and the you know, the thoughts on

819
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:08,719
all this.

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Speaker 2: I told Brian Dunning, a friend of mine, I said,

821
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I'm just going to declare my own lot, my own lot,

822
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:19,639
my house, a sovereign nation, the United State of Sethistan,

823
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,199
and I'm going to just essentially dig a hole and

824
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,440
wait it out, because it's like you don't even want

825
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,559
to look out the windows these days. I knew it'd

826
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:30,639
be bad. You knew it would be bad, but we

827
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,960
had no idea to be this bad. Certainly this bad,

828
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,559
this fast. But I will be interested to see the

829
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response of the no Kings protests coming up October eighteenth.

830
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They're already promoting the hell out of it. Thousands of

831
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:49,159
locations have been established. We saw five million people last time.

832
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I still think having our faces seen, one of them

833
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,880
voices heard, it's it feels good to do something. And

834
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I think it's important for us to be a to

835
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say that we didn't sit on our hands, but we

836
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went out and sent a message. And at some point

837
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I would like to think that these self preservationist politicians

838
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,119
will see the rising tide and having no shit moment

839
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and even if they don't do it for the right reason.

840
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I That's what I told my husband.

841
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,559
My husband was very much wanted to sit on his hands.

842
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:26,119
He was very much like, I don't know, you know,

843
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:29,039
he kept looking at me with the side eye every

844
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:33,440
time I would bring up going to the protest safety though,

845
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and he was happy. I think, so, yeah, I.

846
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Speaker 2: Think he's just you know, Natalie was worried about me.

847
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,639
She's like, this is Oklahoma. Yeah, you're going to take

848
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:47,199
that sign out to one of the most busy intersections

849
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:50,079
in this town. Are you worried about getting you know, hurt?

850
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 5: Oh? Oh, I can't. I don't know. That's like I

851
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,000
grew up in deep, deep self Louisiana, and yeah, I

852
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,679
don't think I would be able to do that. So

853
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,719
you are a brave one.

854
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: No I'm not brave, but I'm I'm I'm I just

855
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,599
can't not and I don't know.

856
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:10,119
Speaker 5: I think that's how I feel.

857
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,639
Speaker 2: In town that weekend. So I'm gonna try to take

858
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:15,440
my brand new spiffy sign that says, first they fascinate

859
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,199
the fools, then they muzzle the intelligent. It's got a

860
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:20,039
big cartoon of Trump on it. I'm gonna take it

861
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,239
out and just see if I get beat up, and

862
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,880
then I'll tell everybody what happens.

863
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:24,199
Speaker 5: Shamna.

864
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,559
Speaker 2: So hey, you hang in there. You this too shall pass.

865
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,760
I know it sounds like a bumper stick. I hope

866
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,559
it's but I think you're right. I think it's gonna be.

867
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,199
It's gonna get a lot worse. It's gonna get a

868
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,159
lot worse. And I don't even know what that means,

869
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,000
and I'm scared about what it means.

870
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:44,519
Speaker 5: I know, and that's the scary part. Well, I can't

871
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:46,400
wait to see you in Albuquerque.

872
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:50,039
Speaker 2: I will be there. I will be there for those

873
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:51,960
who want to know about all of my speaking events.

874
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:54,800
Sath Andrews dot com and then click on the speaking

875
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,599
tab Albuquerque, Denver, Sacramento. Those are all coming up and

876
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:02,719
you are a much appreciated so you know, keep the

877
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,280
non faith okay and hang in there. Definitely all right too,

878
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,840
see you Landor we are not done. Short break back

879
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:21,840
with more from you after this. Thank you so much

880
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,239
for listening, and thanks for your support. On Paytreon, patrons

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get the broadcast two days early and totally commercial free,

882
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and most people don't care much about that. They just

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like being a supporter and I so appreciate it. Patreon

884
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dot com, slash Seth Andrews Sense and a lot of callers.

885
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:49,800
This nervousness, you know, everybody's starting to drop. And the

886
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:56,639
voices that were speaking truth to power, that dared to

887
00:57:56,639 --> 00:58:01,360
say the Emperor has no clothes, that were pains in

888
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,280
the ass, fly in the ointment, commentators on the culture.

889
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,320
They're having the rug pulled out from underneath them at

890
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,880
the highest level. What happens next is the pendulum start

891
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,119
to swing back, because finally people say hell no, I

892
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:20,840
mean they if Tucker Carlson says hell no, is there

893
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:26,480
a chance or is just this the next Domino? And

894
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:29,599
what we build years from now? Will have to be

895
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:35,639
built upon the ashes. I hear that fear. I hear

896
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:41,880
that fear. Vinny calling from Long Island six' three to, One,

897
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:42,760
welcome what's, up.

898
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,159
Speaker 7: Seth i've been watching you and listening to you SINCE

899
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:49,280
i was in high. School. GEEZ i think you were

900
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,480
probably the most significant person when it comes to me

901
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,199
REALIZING i was an. Atheist AND i do want to

902
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:56,199
thank you a lot for. That seriously does mean a.

903
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: Lot thank. You you did all the, work, man BUT

904
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:02,920
i just tried to Encourage.

905
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,599
Speaker 7: Yeah but You, YES i definitely did the. Work but

906
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:08,119
what's funny, too is LIKE i come from an area

907
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:11,119
Of Long island that has always been drum, country always

908
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,639
Has Fox news. On i'll say THIS i don't want

909
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:16,480
to say in my, background but most my relatives, believe

910
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,119
among other, Things obama's not born In, america that He's.

911
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,000
Kenyan they Think Michelle obama is a. Man they Think

912
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:26,719
George soros is the one that's controlling. Everything they, think you,

913
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,320
Know bill And Hillary clinton have people, Assassinated Joe biden

914
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:34,320
is you, know you, know all this other. Stuff and

915
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,360
they think That, joe That Donald trump is like The Supreme,

916
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,639
emperor and you, Know god is telling him to do.

917
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:43,280
That it's it's so oh so. Insane it's just absolutely.

918
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,599
INSANE i haven't seen this my whole. Life and what's worse,

919
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:49,840
too is that my father in particular has gone even

920
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:53,159
further rights as time has Gone he was originally like

921
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:56,079
a Moderate, democrat but as time has gone, on he

922
00:59:56,119 --> 01:00:00,760
now thinks stuff like you, Know Emmanuel ron's. Wife as

923
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,760
a man that thinks, that you, Know january sixth was

924
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,000
created by you, Know Nancy, pelosi he thinks stuff like.

925
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:13,039
That he also thinks that the twenty twenty election was

926
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:15,360
stolen from. It it's it's so much crazy. Stuff and

927
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,639
now it's At Charlie kurchi assassination there he is so

928
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,199
full on trying to get every single enemy that he

929
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:26,119
sees as, canceled And trump packoes that and it really scares.

930
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: Me IS i don't know else to say? THIS i,

931
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:36,199
mean are they mentally? Ill like we've got a lot

932
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:37,440
of conspiracy theories my.

933
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: Dad.

934
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,559
Speaker 2: YEAH i, MEAN i forgive me for asking the, question

935
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:42,920
but some of that stuff just is so. Untethered i'm,

936
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:43,679
like what's that.

937
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 7: About, well my dad has been paranoia his time has

938
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,880
gone on because he's been dealing with like health issues and,

939
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,079
whatnot and he listens to like a lot of the

940
01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:56,199
issue comes from like, sports AND i do have a

941
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:59,679
background in sports, media and a lot of the right

942
01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:03,000
wing kind of people tend to be very like, strength

943
01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:07,039
like strength, strength, strength, champions you want. Loot And i'm

944
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:10,719
someone that is more kind to people that not perceived

945
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:13,119
as as successful but had a very huge impact in other.

946
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:16,280
Ways and people like him have kind of looked down

947
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,280
upon me as someone who wants losers or second place

948
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,000
or you, know the classic participation trophy. People and that

949
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:25,239
kind of plays Into trump BECAUSE i See trump as

950
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:30,119
this very, tough macho. Individual and he also has gone

951
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:32,559
to the point that he thinks That Joe biden is

952
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:36,400
someone that represents no morals at, all but yet he

953
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,719
Wants trump to come. Back he Wanted trump to come

954
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,800
back in because for some, reason he thinks That trump

955
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,119
will bring morality, back even though he's the epitome of

956
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,679
every one of the Seven Deadly sentence and breaks every

957
01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:48,960
one of The Ten, commandments and he's not even a religious.

958
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,480
Person he just wants this power because he has this

959
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:56,920
nostalgia from the nineteen eighties that he can't. Shake and

960
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,800
has been a part of him simmer since he was,

961
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,159
little and you, know one of a big reason why

962
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:02,840
he even seals.

963
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,719
Speaker 2: It oh forgive, ME i was just gonna. Say one

964
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,079
of the THINGS i find most astounding is when they

965
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:12,480
say That biden was an enemy Of. Christianity And i'm,

966
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,760
like that man took his presidential oath on a five

967
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,719
inch thick bible that had been in his family for

968
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,079
one hundred and thirty. Years it's this idea that he

969
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:25,719
was like the enemy Of christianity and anti religious, liberty.

970
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,119
Etc is just crazy.

971
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:33,239
Speaker 7: Crazy it's hilarious, too because my grandmother is she definitely

972
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:37,000
is more intellectually, disabled but with, her like she, heard

973
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:39,000
her sultle skills are worse than that of like a.

974
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,960
Toddler that's been the case for her of my entire.

975
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,960
Life and she is super super, religious but she thinks

976
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,320
that Like biden is the Anti christ and everything like,

977
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,079
that which is really. Hilarious and like a lot of

978
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:54,079
my relatives are very, deeply deeply religious to a very unseen.

979
01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:56,800
Level AND i try to walk a very fine line

980
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,639
when it comes To Charlie. KIRK i, MEAN i did

981
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:01,599
not Like Charlie kirk hated what he, said BUT i

982
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:05,840
thought his assassination was absolutely. Horrible BUT i also knew

983
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,199
for a fact that they were that a lot of

984
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:08,639
people are going to turn him to like a horse

985
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,639
vessel kind of. Figure like a lot of people on

986
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:13,800
the radio were literally comparing him to the Fucking, Jesus

987
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,679
like holy, shit, guys, like, yeah he accomplished a lot

988
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:19,239
at his young, age but these are there many people,

989
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,199
Too like you, know you're thinking Like, Mozart you're thinking a.

990
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:22,760
Braid you think of all these other people that also

991
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,679
accomplished a lot of things that such a young age,

992
01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:27,800
Too but you don't see anyone comparing them To. Jesus

993
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:31,840
but Because Charlie kirk was A christian fundamentalist and, nationalists

994
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,679
we need to see him as a, hero, like, oh

995
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:36,679
he was killed first. Beliefs, no he was killed by

996
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:39,800
a twenty year old that was lost in his life

997
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,440
and killed him because he was radicalized by the world

998
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,039
that he was he grew up.

999
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:45,719
Speaker 3: In that's what.

1000
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 7: Happened it wasn't because but my dad thinks that, way

1001
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:54,079
and so we want to See colbert and everything In Kimmel.

1002
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:57,039
Hell back When biden was, president HE i remember him

1003
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:00,000
straight up saying To, jensaki when is someone going to blow?

1004
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:03,000
Over brings, Out like that's what he actually, said AND

1005
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:05,639
i was disgusted by, it like a holy.

1006
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: War if you dehumanize, people if you remove their humanity

1007
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,480
and call them, demonic you can do whatever you want to,

1008
01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:16,159
them and you're. Justified and it is, scary.

1009
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,239
Speaker 7: Scary, like my dad isn't a religious person at. All my,

1010
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,280
relatives though they're they're also really they're also really. Extreme

1011
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,360
and but my, dad a big reason why he's, gone you,

1012
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,719
know far, right is because he was radicalized by seeing

1013
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,960
a couple of transgender people playing women's. Sports, now unlike

1014
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:36,360
other people that are right, wing he actually cares about you,

1015
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,320
know women's. Sports he's taught you, know girls sports in.

1016
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,599
Schools he's watches THE. Wnba but for some, reason like

1017
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,320
but you, know he like really hates transgender, People like

1018
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,480
he thinks transgenderism is a, phase and he thinks that

1019
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,440
The democrats are trying to indoctrinate people to think that,

1020
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,480
Way like you really think they, Are like a lot

1021
01:04:57,519 --> 01:05:00,679
of my closest friends are, Transgender like DO i need

1022
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:03,000
to like be worried for? Them because of people like

1023
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,039
my father or other, relatives like NOW i get. It

1024
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:12,000
it's just like has children's shows some fucking, compassion like like.

1025
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:15,719
Speaker 2: You, know they this is a culture of, boogeymen, Right

1026
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,679
this is a culture where there everybody's coming to strip

1027
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,679
everything they have and endanger their kids and Ruin america

1028
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,719
and send us all To hell in a. Handbasket and

1029
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,599
you know it's just, terrible, Right.

1030
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 7: So so many of, them so many of them just

1031
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:34,239
talk about the, children AND i, HONESTLY i don't think

1032
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:35,920
they care about. CHILDREN i think they only care about

1033
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,559
children because they want to indoctrinate those. Children that's WHAT i.

1034
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:41,800
Think it's been that way SINCE i was, little because

1035
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,519
like WHEN i see like bol O'Reilly Or Glenn beck

1036
01:05:44,639 --> 01:05:47,159
Or shawn Hay so on its form with the, children

1037
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,239
the war On christmas and all this other, stuff it's, like,

1038
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,440
really you think The, democrats you Think George soros And

1039
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,400
Barack obama thinking about this stuff on a daily. BASIS

1040
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,400
i remember when they were talking about From gazi twenty

1041
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,960
four to, Seven, like, okay now That trump's back, In,

1042
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:03,079
Okay you've been wanting to see these people arrested for.

1043
01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:06,199
Years just just at this point as much AS i

1044
01:06:06,199 --> 01:06:08,199
hate to. Say it's part me just want to see

1045
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,559
these people, arrested just to shut these people, up because

1046
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:13,920
this has been a talking point That i've been seen

1047
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,559
in the news ever SINCE i was, Little like you're

1048
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:18,960
saying That Bill clinton And Hillary clinton And Joe biden

1049
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:21,360
And Barack obama And michelle but all this over and over.

1050
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,440
Again are these evil? People and you know at this,

1051
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,679
Point i'm just tired of. IT i don't want to

1052
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:29,639
see them. Arrested but the reason WHY i would want

1053
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:31,079
to see them arrested just shut them.

1054
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 2: UP i don't WANT i don't. THINK i don't think

1055
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,639
arrest is is the way. FORWARD i do. THINK i,

1056
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:43,400
AGREE i, agree BUT i. Agree, okay all, right Well,

1057
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,679
Vinnie i'm gonna move. On but thank you for expressing

1058
01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:47,599
yourself on the, show and thank you for the kind.

1059
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:48,159
WORDS i.

1060
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:51,039
Speaker 7: APPRECIATE i appreciate. IT i appreciate, It. Seth AND i

1061
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:53,039
don't want to see anyone, arrested But i'm just tired of.

1062
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:55,239
It BUT i appreciate. You thank you for, Everything, seth

1063
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,199
and keep up non, faith be very.

1064
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 2: Kind we'll see you. Later take. Care you did damn

1065
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,599
it for making me agree With Marjorie Taylor, green BECAUSE

1066
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:09,039
i actually did for a hot, minute and she's, like

1067
01:07:09,199 --> 01:07:14,760
we should just divide The United. States these are irreconcilable.

1068
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,559
Differences we should just have one side of the political

1069
01:07:18,679 --> 01:07:20,599
spectrum her on the other. Side. Here, NOW i know

1070
01:07:20,679 --> 01:07:24,480
this is like pie in the, sky extremely reductive fantasy type,

1071
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:30,360
stuff BUT i have had this. Conversation what if we

1072
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:37,199
all partitioned ourselves into this massive part of the geographic

1073
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,760
landscape and this massive part of the geographic. Landscape And

1074
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:48,280
i'll tell you what we'll. Do we'll pursue. Science we'll

1075
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,000
develop clean energy and do our best to take care

1076
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:56,119
of our. Resources we'll promote science based, education including the

1077
01:07:56,199 --> 01:08:03,280
teaching of evolution and vaccine, science. Etc we will provide

1078
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:09,840
protections across the board for all minority. Groups we will

1079
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:19,960
established sensible gun, legislation well. Regulated we're not going to ban,

1080
01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:24,439
guns but we're going to regulate them. Properly we're going

1081
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,840
to take i would, say even drastic measures to try

1082
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,439
to prevent the mass shootings that have become so common

1083
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,039
that we forget them an hour after they, happen even

1084
01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:40,199
when they happen in our. Schools we're going to do

1085
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:45,520
something about. It what's that. Line the definition of insanity

1086
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,159
is to do the same thing over and over and

1087
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:50,560
expect a different. Result, Right we're going to do something.

1088
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:58,039
Different we're going to abolish the death. Penalty we're going

1089
01:08:58,079 --> 01:09:03,279
to focus on mental health issue. Use we're going to

1090
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:08,880
educate the public about the, wide, wild amazing variations in

1091
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:13,159
the human. Condition we're going to respect the planet and each.

1092
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:18,840
Other we're going to build a humanistic. Country and all

1093
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:25,000
of you over, here when you start dying of, disease

1094
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:32,279
and when you get, polio and when you can't breathe

1095
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:37,239
the air because you're choking on the, pollutants and when

1096
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:39,279
your cost of living has gone through the, roof and

1097
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:43,680
when you're at the mercy of the oligarchs and your,

1098
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,600
speech which you thought was, free was actually not because

1099
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:52,279
they did eventually come for. You when the price of

1100
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:57,239
eggs didn't go down but, quadrupled because there's a monopoly on,

1101
01:09:58,079 --> 01:10:02,880
retail because there weren't proper. Regulations it wasn't straight up

1102
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,279
las a fair capitalism where the people way at the

1103
01:10:06,319 --> 01:10:14,279
top got to manipulate everybody. Else when you need sense and,

1104
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,800
science one day maybe you can come scratching on our

1105
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:24,920
gate and we'll have a. CONVERSATION i know there were children.

1106
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,720
INVOLVED i know there are people who would have no.

1107
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,239
CHOICE i know that you can't control who your parents

1108
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:31,239
are and what culture you're born. INTO i get, IT

1109
01:10:31,319 --> 01:10:33,920
i get. IT i. Understand i'm just, saying if we

1110
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,640
were to be reductive and we were to have a

1111
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,760
little sandbox fantasy for ten, seconds, Okay i'd like to

1112
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,960
see how that social experiment plays. OUT i would like

1113
01:10:43,079 --> 01:10:48,800
to play that version of THE sims and then watch

1114
01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:53,239
and see what the result is after a ten to

1115
01:10:53,279 --> 01:11:00,840
twenty year. PERIOD i tell you right, NOW i don't

1116
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,600
think it's going to be the. Right the worship of

1117
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,800
billionaires is not going to get us where we need to.

1118
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,000
Go science denial is not going to get us where

1119
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,960
we need to. Go Vilifying fauci's not going to get

1120
01:11:12,039 --> 01:11:15,600
us where we need to. Go invoking The book Of

1121
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,279
genesis is not going to get us where we need to.

1122
01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:31,319
Speaker 8: Go hang, On i'm running out of time. Here SO

1123
01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:35,000
i got to find something that we haven't already spoken.

1124
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:43,199
Speaker 2: About nine two, zero is?

1125
01:11:43,239 --> 01:11:43,399
Speaker 7: It?

1126
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,159
Speaker 2: Bonnie?

1127
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes Welcome.

1128
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:51,560
Speaker 2: Bonnie what's on your? Mind?

1129
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 6: YEAH i was, Hi, YEAH i Like Jimmy. KIMMEL i

1130
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,119
watched that segment over and over, again and he didn't

1131
01:12:02,119 --> 01:12:11,159
say anything bad about what's his Name. Kirk he was

1132
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:17,560
talking about the right making political points over the, murderer you,

1133
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,479
know because they were trying to they were trying the

1134
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,359
right was trying to paint the murder as being a

1135
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,399
leftist right away before they even knew anything about, him

1136
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,279
and they were making the, left The democrats all looked

1137
01:12:32,359 --> 01:12:35,560
like the enemy right. Away and so WHEN i was

1138
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,239
Watching jimmy, WELL i went back To hulu AND i

1139
01:12:38,279 --> 01:12:42,760
watched The Monday Night show, again you know where the

1140
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,720
reason why he got kicked, off and he did not

1141
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,960
say anything bad About Charlie kirk at. All and then

1142
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,159
he was kind of poking in front of the fact

1143
01:12:52,199 --> 01:12:55,039
that when somebody Asked Donald, trump you know how he

1144
01:12:55,159 --> 01:12:57,680
was dealing with it right, away he went to the.

1145
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:02,000
Ballroom So Jimmy kimmel, said as you, know he was

1146
01:13:02,039 --> 01:13:04,279
dealing with the grief like a four year old would

1147
01:13:04,279 --> 01:13:08,640
deal with the grief of a, fish you, know. Goldfish

1148
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:13,640
and so then it made me mad BECAUSE i Like

1149
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,520
Jimmy kimmel a. LOT i, MEAN i actually like him

1150
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:21,760
better Than Stephen colbert even and NOW i hate watching

1151
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:27,319
Got field On. FOX i can't Stand fox because they're Still,

1152
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,279
republican and SO i don't watch. It so people that

1153
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:37,399
people that don't Like Jimmy kimmel because he doesn't Like,

1154
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:42,039
trump they can turn the. Channel it's, LIKE i don't

1155
01:13:42,079 --> 01:13:45,399
watch Got field BECAUSE i don't like what he has to,

1156
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:50,079
say which, is you, know Pro. Republican SO i don't watch.

1157
01:13:50,119 --> 01:13:55,640
It NOW i can't Watch Jimmy kimmel because because he

1158
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,199
made a, comment you, know he commented about the fact

1159
01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:03,079
That Donald trump acted like a four year old when

1160
01:14:03,119 --> 01:14:05,560
it comes to grief because he didn't seem affected at,

1161
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,560
all because he switched right away to the to the,

1162
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,199
ballroom you.

1163
01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 4: Know so that's.

1164
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 6: Upsetting that's upsetting to me BECAUSE i always look forward

1165
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,800
To Jimmy kimball BECAUSE i like watching. Him now there's

1166
01:14:20,079 --> 01:14:22,920
a young fellow that just put up a video about

1167
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:30,319
a day ago and it's, secular secular, talk and he

1168
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,479
said that there is a mass shooting in a homeless. Camp,

1169
01:14:35,239 --> 01:14:38,479
now that guy On, fox he made a comment about

1170
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,239
killing homeless people they don't want to go to a,

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01:14:41,239 --> 01:14:45,760
shelter and yet he's still working. THERE i, MEAN i

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01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,960
really don't get. It And it is scary to. Me

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01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,640
AND i turned On The view today because IT'S, abc

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01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,199
AND i know That Whoopi goldberg doesn't Like trump, either

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01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,479
and they made no comment about, it AND I Jimmy

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01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,439
KIMMEL'S abc and The view made no comment about. It

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01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,439
and one of the reasons WHY i watched The view

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01:15:06,079 --> 01:15:09,920
is BECAUSE i like hearing them talk about topics like.

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That Now i'm afraid that they're all going to be

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01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,800
their hands are going to be tied, now and none

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01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,640
of them are going to be able to, comment you,

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01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,279
know if they're, critical because what Be goldberg is quite

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01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:26,920
critical Of Donald. Trump and so Now i'm afraid that

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01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,520
all of these, shows their hands are going to be

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01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,640
tied and they won't be able to say, anything you,

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01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,199
know are the show's going to get canceled? Now Jimmy

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01:15:35,279 --> 01:15:38,359
kimmel had hundreds and hundreds of people that lost their

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01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:43,840
jobs because of, This and, YEAH i Mean fox can

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01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:47,039
they can say anything they want and nothing's going to

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01:15:47,079 --> 01:15:48,039
happen to. Him and that's my.

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01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: RANT i, Gotcha my. Gotcha, well you have a forum

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01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,479
to rant on and you're, Ranted, Well bonnie AND i hear,

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01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,199
you and so does the. Audience so thanks for calling

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01:15:59,239 --> 01:15:59,600
the show.

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Speaker 6: Today thank you for letting me.

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Speaker 2: Talk oh you bet, you we'll see. It you know

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01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:19,720
what bugs me the? People you can understand somebody who

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goes along and doesn't criticize the media conglomerate that employs

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01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:32,399
them because maybe they don't have, resources they don't have

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01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:36,680
a place to, land they may lose. Everything i'm not

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01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:41,800
sure this excuses the abandoning of one's, convictions but, okay

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01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,920
let's look at it. Logistically WHAT i don't understand is

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01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,279
when people who have more money than you AND i

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01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:51,199
will see in a lifetime and are set for, life

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01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:56,840
when they say and do nothing when they go. Along

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01:16:58,079 --> 01:17:06,520
that blows my blows my. Mind they can cancel every

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01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,720
platform that you are on and you would still be

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01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:15,760
worth five hundred million. Dollars you could go, anywhere you

1209
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:20,279
could do anything your. Set you will pay almost no,

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01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,800
penalty except you won't have a conduit on this particular media.

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01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:29,159
Outlet why aren't you saying? More that does blow my?

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01:17:29,279 --> 01:17:35,920
Mind that blows my. MIND i must beg your. FORGIVENESS

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01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:40,920
i am out of. Time, WELL i have another conversation about.

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01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,880
THIS i have a feeling AND i Have Dave, farina

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01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,520
a science educator who is going to talk About, well

1216
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,439
we're going to talk about some of the stuff that

1217
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,560
came up on the show. Today and, Honestly i'm going

1218
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,359
to put myself in as a let you be a

1219
01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:58,119
steward of me as a. HOST i HOPE i earlier

1220
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:03,520
Handled thomas. FAIRLY i do tend to interrupt WHEN i

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01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:08,560
begin to hear people tell me what the right, says

1222
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,600
AND i don't have a lot of patience for, it

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01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:15,239
perhaps to a. Fault so IF i handled that, UNFAIRLY

1224
01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:17,239
i want to, know let me know in the. COMMENTS

1225
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,319
i want to be a good steward of this, show

1226
01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:20,680
And i'm going to make sure That i'm a good

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01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,920
steward of these, conversations even PEOPLE i disagree. With but

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01:18:24,079 --> 01:18:26,640
having Written Fox news christian and coming out of thirty

1229
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:31,079
years Of WILLIAM. F, Buckley Ronald, reagan And colter Rush

1230
01:18:31,119 --> 01:18:35,159
Limbaugh Fox News, CONSERVATISM i know what the right says

1231
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:39,000
and thinks because not just, that BUT i do it every.

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01:18:39,039 --> 01:18:43,920
DAY i, commented we literally are dismantling these ideas which

1233
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:50,279
are imbued With. Christianity they are like the milkshake and

1234
01:18:50,319 --> 01:18:53,359
you're trying to remove one, ingredient remove the milk from

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01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:57,199
the milkshake, right Remove christianity from today's right. Wing i'm,

1236
01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:59,199
sorry you just can't do. It there is a blend

1237
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,880
and that land is. Set it is. There you cannot unmix.

1238
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,199
It it is the way that it. Is and SO

1239
01:19:05,279 --> 01:19:07,840
i do tend to IF i feel like someone, say

1240
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:09,640
IF i feel like it's a waste of, TIME i

1241
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,479
do tend, to you, know hop in. There BUT i

1242
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,640
may have overreacted IF i. Did let me, know you,

1243
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,319
KNOW i genuinely want to make SURE i was a

1244
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:21,079
good steward of. That and if the idea is, reasonable

1245
01:19:21,079 --> 01:19:25,159
and it's, not, hey read this tome and then watch,

1246
01:19:25,279 --> 01:19:29,439
this you, know series of long videos by somebody who

1247
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,800
happens to be right. WING i don't respond well to.

1248
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,279
THAT i think the ideas themselves need to stand on their.

1249
01:19:35,319 --> 01:19:38,640
Own it's almost the equivalent is when somebody sends you

1250
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:44,640
a religious book and, says, hey, hey read you know what's?

1251
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,680
That what's That LEE strobyl read this book By Lee.

1252
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,920
Strobel it'll explain. Everything And i'm just Like Jesus, christ

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01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:52,239
you got to be kidding. Me by the Way i've

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01:19:52,279 --> 01:19:58,399
Read Lee, STROBEL i so appreciate, you AND i hear your. Frustration, no, no,

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01:19:58,399 --> 01:20:01,439
No we'll talk more about, talking more speech about. Speech

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01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:02,319
have a wonderful.

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01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:06,279
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