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Speaker 2: A normally not big on bandwagon territory, but I do
want to be topical. And this is what everybody's talking
about now, the removal of Jimmy Kimmel from his broadcast.
In fact, I think they cancel the whole broadcast or
removed it indefinitely after he said what was alleged to
be hate speech. Now, we live in a culture where
anybody who says anything that offends a specific demographic is
it's not just that a private organization is going to
decide to yank him. And we do believe that there
are rights by private organizations to be able to pull
somebody who they do not think properly represents their brand.
And that sounds amazing here unless you peel back layers
of the onion to realize exactly what is going on.
Let's start with a primmer. In his Monday night monologue,
Kimmel said the Maga gang desperately trying to characterize this
kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one
of them, and doing everything they can to score political
points from it. The late night host also noted flags
being flown at half massed in honor of Kirk, which
got some criticism at the time, and mocked US President
Donald Trump's reaction to the shooting. This is not how
an adult grieves the murder of someone he calls a friend.
This is how a four year old mourns a gold fish. Okay, well,
Jimmy Kimmel has been canceled by ABC, and Trump Calt
is having a field day. They are gleefully laughing. There
are people who are saying, hey, it's about freaking time.
This hate speech will not be tolerated. You and I
are seeing Charlie Kirk now the poster saint, the martyr
for the evangelical right, and I want to get a
little bit into what I mean by peeling back the
layers of the onion. I had posted something on Facebook.
I'm just going to read it for you here without
showing the screen. Am I guilty of hate speech? I
am a critic of the Bible, a fierce opponent of
Christian nationalism, and an ex evangelical, secular humanist activist who
wants a nation and world safe and equal for all.
This includes Christians, those of non Christian faiths, the non religious,
LGBT people, immigrants, people of color, etc. I roast sacred cows.
I speak sharply about autocrats, zealots, grifters, and diviners. I
want coequal branches of a representative government. I want religious
expression protected under an administration that doesn't function as a
national church. I want free people to be protected as
they speak and act freely. I also like the words
of Martin Luther King Junior, whom charge Kirk called an
awful person. I criticize America because I love her. I
want her to stand as a moral example to the world. Yet,
from the suffrage movement to Vietnam, to the civil rights
marches to the LGBT movement to the No Kings events
of twenty twenty five. How many critics, satirists, and protesters
have been branded national betrayers. It's bizarre many in today's
America would call me a trader, wicked, an enemy of
the United States and by association. God will the oligarch
controlled platforms soon expand their hate speech hit to name
people like me and what dominoes in my life and
family may get kicked down? How will Free America punish
me and you for speaking freely. I don't consider myself
dangerous or traitoress. I think I'm a reasonable guy, a
moral guy, and I'm just as American as everybody else.
And I wanted to get into this private organization. Can
ABC decide who they and who they don't? One in
the air, I said, the right of a private organization
to determine who represents them is absolutely protected. But there
are issues. Number One, Kimmel was dumped by ABC, but
when Brian Killmead advocated for the execution of homeless people,
Brian got a gentle slap on the fingers. The double
standard reveals a lot. The Federal Communications Commissioned Chairman Brendan
Carr recently appeared on the highly political right wing podcast
The Benny Show, and he wrote the FCC chapter in
the Christian Nationalist playbook Project twenty twenty five. He is
now part of a movement to exploit Charlie Kirk's horrible
murder to cancel speech, which he considers quote concerted efforts
to deceive the American people. Meanwhile, Fox News' seven hundred
eighty seven billion dollar settlement over their lies about dominion
voting machines did not warrant a glance from Car. Those
lies were outstandingly a concerted effort to deceive the American people.
The authoritarian playbook is familiar territory, and that playbook includes
calling media outlets to buttress the brand. Musk, Zuck, etc.
Have already established alli garical control of x and Facebook.
Now Brendan Carrs FCC looms over broadcast licenses and media
merger approvals. Jimmy Kimmel will, of course land softly. He's
going to be just fun. But the inconveniencers, the flies,
and the ointment, the critics, the satirist, everyday free speakers,
they remain at the mercy of a system which is
for the moment defined as those who hate America by
Trump culture. I had this conversation recently with someone who
is a more conservative friend, and they said, you bring
some good points on but you know, Trump was elected democratically.
The people have spoken. This is the culture that people want,
and it's, in my opinion, a monumentally naive and reductive
way to look at the entire situation, Especially if you
look at polling. A lot of people are looking around
who voted for Trump, going well, why the hell is
this going on? I didn't vote for this, and you
and I are pounding the table, going, actually, as you did,
and ignorance is not an excuse. I wrote, no doubt
Trump was elected democratically. The people spoke, or the majority.
This was also true with nineteen twenty two Mussolini, and
then Mussolini dismantled the system that he used to gain power.
Many of us see echoes of that history today. The
plan is this, to scare people about vermin and various threats.
You promise to protect the citizenry and restore national greatness,
and you dismantle opposing systems so you can become king.
I don't think it's unreasonable to hear somebody declare, as
Trump did in twenty sixteen, I alone can fix it,
before having the White House post photos of himself crowned
as king while selling expensive Maga merch on his own
private website. A recent New Yorker investmentstigation had Trump profits
by presidency at three point four billion, with a b
billion dollars all the while Maga is grimacing about Hunter Biden.
There seems to be no line if Trump says or
does the worst he didn't do it, or he didn't
mean it, or context, or he's just playing four D
chess or I elected a president, not a pastor, which
is a strange line from the pearl clutchers who lost
their minds over Bill Clinton getting a blowjob. I had
a Trump voting friend tell me last month, I think
America needs an asshole right now, someone who can just
get things done. What are Trump's critics to him, if
not betrayers. Those who freely speak real concern about the
twenty five plus rape accusations and the e gene convey
which was just reinforced by an appeals court. Those who
heard ghostwriter Tony Schwartz reveal that the art of the
deal is fiction. Those concerned over Trump's declaration that a
president can quote do anything I want to do, Those
including a bunch of Christians, who say that Trump is
the antithesis of Christ's best teachings. Right, what if we
make these protests, What if we say what they would
consider to be a betrayal of the United States? Are
we hate speakers? We don't want to make America great again?
You know, if you oppose these people, you are literally
accused of heresy. I have never seen a political atmosphere
like this in my lifetime, nothing even close. And there's
a zealotry that concerns me, especially as somebody who has
been called frequently demonic I'm believer, I'm a secular atheist activist. Okay, fine, well,
non Christians are they are in the arms of Satan.
They're hanging out with the devil. The word they is
being used as a dog whistle by the right to
stoke outrage, perhaps even prompt a new civil war. I
did a video about this recently. White House Deputy Chief
of Staff Stephen Miller recently demonized the left, claiming that
those Americans have an insatiable thirst for destruction, they practice
wicked ideology and infect the halls of our institutions with
a sinister, chilling glee. His words. I didn't have the
destruction of democracy and decency on my daytimer. I'm not
exactly sure what I'm missing here. Day is one of
those loaded words. It's almost like when the mob says
they want somebody taken out, but they don't say the words.
You know, it'd be a shame if something happened to them.
You know, somebody out to do something about those guys,
you know, I mean, anyone who is familiar with the
power of language understands exactly what they are talking about. Oh,
I wanted to define hate speech From the American Library
Association Hate Speech and Hate crime. Hate speech is any
form of expression through which speakers intend to vilify, humiliate,
or incite hatred against a group or a class of
persons on the basis of race, religion, skin color, sexual identity,
gender identity, ethnicity, disability, or national origin. Hate crimes are
overt acts that can include acts of violence against persons
or property, violation or deprivation of civil rights, certain true threats,
or acts of intimidation or conspiracy to commit these crimes.
Now I find this interesting. There is no legal definition
of hate speech under US law, just as there is
no legal definition for evil ideas, rudeness, unpatriotic speech, or
any other kind of speech that people might condemn. Generally, however,
hate speech is any form of expression through which speakers
tend to vilify, humiliate, or incite hatred against a group
or class of persons on the criteria that we described
just a moment ago. Now, I don't think I'm a
free speech absolutist. I know some people I think hitch was.
You know, you can say anything anywhere and you should
be protected. But do people have the right to hate?
Do people have the right to be hateful and to
say the words of hate? Well, I believe that if
we live in a nation which protects speech, it has
to protect the awful speech as well. Right If you
and I live in a nation where the only speech
that is protected is the speech we like, that's not
free speech. It's messy, it's sometimes disturbing. We can be
outraged at the speech of other people. We can say
that it's toxic and awful. But is it free? I
think so. If you are calling down or calling for
violence upon someone, if that type of thing is going
you can't call bomb threats into a building, or you know,
you can't call for a I don't know, a civil
war against a literal civil war against people. You know
what I'm saying. But it's messy. It's like obscenity laws
came out of FM radio, and I remember they were
trying to teach us about obscenity law when I was
in college, and they're like, it is one of the
most ill defined bodies of law in all of law.
And what they did originally was anything that appealed to
the prurient interests of the most susceptible in an immoral
way would be considered obscene. Well, good luck defining that.
I mean, if we were to be reductive, it boils
down to what would give the village idiot a perverse
sexual I mean, you can't even do that. How do
you define obscenity? And the same is true when it
comes to speech. And so I myself think, Okay, well
they start here at the major media outlets, and I
don't think it's unreasonable to think that in a nation
where I believe six six companies own roughly ninety percent
of all TV and radio outlets, and I think that
number is pretty close for the news outlets as well
as well. It is a very very very small number
of very influential and wealthy corporations that own the media.
You've got Elon Musk who owns x. He has monopolized
an entire fire hose of disinformation. Musk and Zuckerberg right
on Facebook cannect with almost total autonomy and decide what
the algorithms reject or accept, who's going to get amplified,
who's going to get deleted. And these people have been
slobbering in the White House over Donald Trump. Do you
see that It was conference, but it was all of
the tech bros sitting around the table and they all
just took turns for an hour and a half with
their head up Trump's ass, telling them how amazing he is, now,
wonderful he is. And don't tell me these people aren't
filling their pockets and getting government contracts and consolidating power
and strategic you think they give a shit about Donald Trump.
These are oligarchs who have a stranglehold on the flow
of information, on the conduits, the silos of information here.
And you and I are now watching the FCC, the
Federal Communications commission weaponized to take out anyone and everyone
under this waving flag of we're protecting the nation, we
are protecting the culture. We want to make sure that
you are safe from the information which might harm you
and harm America. This has been the calling cards, This
has been strategy and the tactics of authoritarian since forever.
So Natalie and I are talking. Things are so hot,
things are so intense. What's the next step? Is there
a rebellion in the entertainment industry? Did you see freaking
Tucker Carlson came forward to decry Jimmy Kimmel's firing. Damn
it for making me agree for this micro second with
Tucker Carlson. I'm mad about that. If you've lost Tucker Carlson,
you know what I'm saying, If you've lost Tucker Carlson.
So is there going to be a revolt? Well the
pendulum swing back the other way? Or is this this
the beginning the first steps?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So then all of the other inconvenient critics, you know,
they go after the John Stewarts, and then let's cancel
South Park and let's do all of the other outlets
that have been apparently on American and then let's move
down the tier. Well, who's next, Well, look out, if
you've ever produced any content saying Charlie Kirk wasn't Jesus,
or if you say Christianity is bullshit, or if you
have criticized dear Leader, now you are also guilty of
hate speech, and the oligarchs have the power to shut
us out. I'd someone tell me, well, fine, finding if
they cancel your channels, you can just go somewhere else,
start something else, somewhere you know, this America, this America,
and just start something else. And I'm like, you gotta
be shitting me. I don't have I don't have a
trillion of the resources to begin a global social network
and broadcasting enterprise and infrastructure to be able to get
the message out back. I simply cannot We cannot do this,
you know, saying it's like somebody with one hundred bucks
to start a corner store is supposed to compete with Walmart.
How's that happen? How much of a chance did they
freaking have. It's so naive. I can't believe Brian Killmead
wasn't tossed out of the building even by Fox News.
Where's the line? Well, I'm very sorry that I said
those things. It was very insensitive. No, Brian Killmead said
the quiet part out loud. He actually said what he
was thinking. Those are my initial thoughts, but I want
to hear yours. We go to the phones next. This
is an extra podcast this week. It's free to every Boddy,
free to patrons, etc. We're just talking about something that
happened yesterday, the removal of Jimmy Kimmel from ABC's lineup
because he was just, I don't know, too hateful. That's
the narrative being spawn out there in Maga lands. I
want to find out what you think. Aaron is dialing
in from New York. Aaron, can you.
Speaker 3: Hear me, I can hear you.
Speaker 2: Welcome what's going on?
Speaker 3: Nothing? I just I caught your show here in the
middle of the day. I just happened to be home,
and I'm glad I was able to get through to you.
I don't know this whole this whole thing, for me,
is is the sign of scary times. I'm not I'm
not a religious person. I don't believe in, you know,
whatever doomsday stuff Bible says, but I do see things
turning in a horrible direction, and if you watch anyone
who reads or writes anything about fascism, authoritarianism, these are
these are step by step things that are happening right now.
Military industreets, the silencing of the centers, calling news outlets
and making them part of you know, making them like
put your agenda as there as their main things, silencing them.
You know, I'm I'm more concerned about the deafening silence
that I'm hearing or not, you know, you know what
I mean, Like, there's a deafening silence from everyone you
know about what's happening right now, and I think that's
what's aggravating and making me angry. I mean, I don't know.
Maybe I'm reading I'm being hyperbolic, I'm reading too much
into this, But I don't know. Sometimes right now I'm worried.
Speaker 2: I think many share your worth. I think many people
do see military in the streets and the monopolizing of
the message and the branding of all critics as treasonous
and dangerous and vermin I think many would agree with you, Aaron,
So yeah, totally get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, Like I hate the you know,
I compare this to like you if you want to
if you want to discuss, let's say, a corrupt cop
or a criminal act by a police source, so that
that is, let's say it's one hundred percent Troy like
you saw it, you witnessed it, this evidence, and the
person is convicted. So I have to preface every time
I talk about a corrupt cop by saying, well, you know,
most cops are good. You know. I don't want to
have to preface that anymore. And I don't want to
have to preface the fact that while Charlie Kirk, you know,
and and his his his murder, his assassination was horrific
and sets us back decades as far as you know,
a dialogue in this country. I don't want to have
to preface that every time I say that what he
said was was foul. The things he said was, you know,
it was so dismantling of our our fucking our culture
and our country and what we stand for. You know.
I don't want to have to say, well, you know,
what they did to him is wrong. You know, I
know that. I think anybody would common sense knows that.
But it's like if you don't, if you don't put
that that caveat before you say whatever you're going to say.
And I think that the people that I've seen set
the people that I've watched on YouTube, I haven't seen
any of the people dancing on his grave the way
people say they are. Maybe they exist, I haven't seen them.
But the ones that I've watched, the ones, all of
them are like, this was wrong, this was wrong, this
was horrific. Right, And then they say, but this is
what he said, and that's what they're saying, what he said.
Speaker 2: Well, I saw I saw some dancing on his grave.
I saw people who were partying on social media. I
saw people who were like, you know, fuck that guy,
I'm one less bigot. I'm glad he's gone. I'd piss
on his grave. You're going to find that in any tribe,
in any culture, that we are not immune. I understand frustration.
I also understand I think it's a tremendously unfortunate way
to approach political violence, and it plays into a narrative
that makes the job harder, you know, for speakers, for
speakers across the board. You know, do people have the
right to say and think those things? Yes, they do.
But it kind of irritates me because I think, as
I did you can go through and list the problem,
add things that Charlie Kirk said and did without saying yeah, yay,
I can't wait. You know, another bigot bites the dust
who because the subtext of that is, well, I guess
more bigots need to be taken out, and then it's
a de facto endorsement of the shooter, et cetera. So
I did say some of that, but I also saw
a lot more respectful protest. Who was the preacher who said,
you know, if he wasn't good in life, we shouldn't
deify him in death, and I think that is an
accurate That's a healthy way to approach it. Aaron I agree.
Speaker 3: I agree. It's just that it's so one sided from
this administration, where like we put our flag at half
man half staff, you know, for a non elected public figure,
and then you know, a Minnesota senator was shot and
killed and nothing was done to honor that person. So
I you know, again the administration is moving in a
dangerous direction. But they told us what they were going
to do. They let us know that, they they let
us know, and anyone who's saying is that we couldn't
see this coming. We should have seen it coming because
Project twenty twenty five is being enacted right now, and
I think people don't want to see it. They want
to act like it's not happening, and they think if
they do that, then maybe it won't And it's a
dangerous position to take in my humble opinion. You know,
I need to we need to wake up. And you know,
guys like Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert and I don't
know who's going to be next. I don't know, like
anyone who disagrees the average YouTuber, the average person that says, hey,
you know this is wrong. Look at what their ice
is doing. Look at what these people are doing, Look
at this new thing that they're trying to do. Is
that going to be the next person that gets canceled?
You know, it's dangerous.
Speaker 2: Well, Aaron, I appreciate you calling to express yourself and
those positions, opinions, perspectives, and thanks for being a part
of the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, sir.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Elan Thomas dialing in from five to seventy four.
Are you there? What's up?
Speaker 4: Yeah? How you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm good? What's up?
Speaker 5: How you doing?
Speaker 4: I want to take you back on Aaron. I disagree
about the existential threat of fascism. I think every generation
of every uh Silver's president has a threat. Everyone thinks
their sides the other side of plosua, sides to the
really horrible things, and that's why it's important what Charlie
Kick did is having dialogue between conservatives and Democrats on
the topic of free speech. I agree with you that
it's complicated. You should be able to say vile things
as protected under free speech, but maybe in this day
and age, it's not smart to post it publicly so
your boss doesn't see it or someone can use it
against you. I know that's kind of a sad state.
Speaker 2: But now, look, if I was an employer and I
saw that somebody representing my company was saying genuinely vitriolic things.
They were using the N word, or they were being
disparaging against gay people or whatever, I would want to
know that because that person being a representative of me,
and I would want to be able to make a
decision as to whether that person would represent me or not.
I get that if someone was If I was a conservative,
Republican evangelical and my employee was, let's say, a progressive
Muslim who was a critic of Christianity. That is a
different conversation altogether, and I think that type of speech
falls into a different category. Regarding Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk
did stunt debates. He went through to these college campuses
and he put up these little things. He had people
come in college kids, many of whom were not nearly
as prepared as he was. He already had his answers
in his back pocket. He knew his talking points by
heart because he did them from city to city. He
wasn't interested in meaningful dialogue. He was putting together content
for clicks. He was sound biting himself for the purpose
of promoting his own ideas and brand. This was not
meaningful discourse. So this idea that well, he went out
and engage the political opposition in good faith because he
wanted the best ideas to win the day. I find
monumentally naive. He went into college campuses, he put up
his tend he rolled his cameras, and he used his
talking points, and then he monetized that and used it
to build himself into what is now the martyrs saint
that he is. And I think that's a different conversation
than debate.
Speaker 4: Okay, I respectfully disagree. I think that if you look
at Eric Hoften's work or Johnston Heights work, and a
lot of other people that study the political differences, and
the universities especially, you have an overwhelming number of liberals, professors, Marxists, communists,
and student body that is liberal, and therefore conservative ideas
aren't really being exposed to a lot.
Speaker 2: Do you want to hang on hang on on that point?
You don't think that students are being exposed to conservative
ideas in this culture? And what if we have seen
more one party, one culture, hang on one one party
or one culture more than another, has leaned away from science,
has leaned away from civil rights, has leaned away from
reproductive choice, has leaned away from sensible foreign policy not
rooted in the Book of Revelation. We may and if
I'll just say it this way, we may see that
they're not instructors. They're not pushing a liberal agenda as
much as they are teaching what is actually real and
reality may have a little bit of a liberal bias.
It leans liberal right. It's not the right wing that
have gone after LGBT people because they're an abomination. It's
not the right wing or I'm sorry, it's not the
left that's going after them. It's not the left that
denied climate change, it's not the left that are vax deniers,
that denied COVID. It's not the left who we're talking
about Israel like it's Zion. It's simply not. And so
if it leans a little more progressive, that may mean
that the problem is not the progressive. The problem is
the right is increasingly untethered to reality.
Speaker 4: Right, I disagree because I know a lot of right
being atheists and they're very resonable people. And as far
as the COVID vaccine, like, if you looked into the detail,
it was really good vaccine for adults and people that
had sicknesses. But if you look at the age dependence
on the vaccine, whether it's it good for them or not,
people are still pushing it for little kids and that
was unnecessary. People are pushing masks for kindergarteners and they
would take them off during nap time, which is unnecessary.
Speaker 2: That you have this bush look at you. You aren't
going to pedal. You're not going to pedal COVID disinformation
on this program. You're simply not sure and and to say, hey,
I know some nice right wing atheists has nothing to
do with what I had just said about how those
who lean much more right wing are those who historically
and now culturally have leaned away from the reality that
we live in scientifically, ethically, philosophically, I think in many
cases morally okay.
Speaker 4: And so the problems with this set one of the
problems with the set. And I really appreciate your show,
but how often do you have have people like bols Riley,
Glenn Lowery, I'm rolling fire, having McDonald, Coleman, Hughes, Camille Foster,
Michael Morniahan all these atheists that are either libertarian or
lean a little right or in the center on to
have to have different the nigh who was highly crucial
of the COVID virus are the COVID vaccine and the
masking of little kids and all the ramvocation of that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've got hands in the air all the time.
I had somebody just a couple of days ago with
their hand in the air. You know, they had their
hand in the air going I'm an atheist conservative. Debate me,
you coward, or have me on your show, you coward.
You know what when hold on? When it comes to
the COVID vaccine, you know who I'm gonna have on.
I'm going to have one on next week. I'm going
to have on a biologist, just like I had Ken
Miller this cell biology. I'm going to have some somebody
who was an actual scientist, not a right wing ideologue.
And don't tell me I don't already know what the
right wing talking points are. You think I'm going to
signal boost that here. I can choose who I do
and do.
Speaker 4: Not what is progressive and is progressive? And he's an
epidemiologist at Stanford, Okay, And good to have opposing views,
and that's where you start the show.
Speaker 2: I am not, but I'm not in an opposition Christian Jesus.
Speaker 4: When you were Christian, you wish you could talk to atheists? Right, No,
some atheists was allowed to talk to you without being demonized. No,
and I think you lost track of that.
Speaker 2: No. When I was a Christian, atheists weren't really on
my radar other than they were just in opposition to God.
And I know you want to take my position when
it comes to hang on. I know you want to
take my position when it comes to COVID, I don't know.
We'll call it other scientific things like climate change and
things that your right wing liberty and atheist friends may
also be skeptical about. And you want to make that
a religious argument, well, Seth, I'm sorry that you were
rightly skeptical about religion, but you're wrongly unskeptical about all
of these other things. And here's a laundry list of
guests that if you were fair, you would have. I
quite frankly, would rather talk to the scientists about the
actual science. And even if you find a few, even
if you find some fringe scientists who stand well outside
the mainstream, and I don't care. I mean, we've seen
that with Stephen Meyer, PhD. And we've seen some we've
seen was a wakefield and all these other agents of disinformation.
I'm not going to bring them on here and give
them a platform. I'm simply not going to do that.
Speaker 4: And I have the right to decide talking about these
French wacos, I'm not at all, I promise you. I
believe the COVID vaccine was a good calls and it
was amazing that was, but it's it's a more nuanced,
complicate discussion. It wasn't good for little kids, it wasn't
necessarily little kids, masks weren't good for little kids, and
some of the policies were forned were seen to be horrible.
Speaker 2: In the end, I will allow and that's all that
COVID was a moving target and it happened extremely quickly,
and that mistakes were made right, they were learning as
they went. But all of these myths I heard, the
one recently about pregnant women, that's bullshit, et cetera. Right,
pregnant women shouldn't get the vaccine, or actually they should.
And when it came to the protection of children's let's say,
let's say that they overreacted and inoculated children when they
did not have to. And I'm happy to look into
the science the scientists from Stanford's name that you brought up. Uh,
I'm going to need a spelling on that put it
in the.
Speaker 6: All.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to look into that. But this idea that
being pro science is as much a right as it
is a left thing, and that it's reflected in our universities.
As the Libs are essentially suffocating the halls of education,
maybe the people who are teaching things like evolutionary science.
Maybe the people who are teaching comparative religions classes instead
of being praguer you. Maybe the people who are more
rooted and tethered into the real simply happen to lean
more liberal because reality leans more liberal. I hold it that.
I think that's that's accura.
Speaker 4: Maybe, but I think are different than you. I don't
attach religion to conservatism. Conservatism is political. I don't attach
it to religion.
Speaker 2: Now everything's political. Everything is political. Religious, tell me Project
twenty twenty five isn't political and that it's not Christian.
Tell me the Project twenty twenty five being implemented pretty
much across the board is both not religious and not political.
Speaker 4: See, I've heard contra arguments the product twenty five NBA implemented. Really,
so it all depends on really who you listen to?
Speaker 7: You? What do you mean?
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 4: I try my best. I try my best to listen
to both sides. Okay, well the full picture because everyone's
gonna stew.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just talked about the President of the Federal
Communications Commission, who has the power to approve or disapprove
all media mergers and approve or disapprove licenses to all
media outlets. This man wrote the FCC paragraph in Project
twenty twenty five, And you think, well, I am I
taking that out of context.
Speaker 4: Well, if that's true, then I believe you that's horrible
and I would disagree with that immensely. Well, okay, let
me give another example. Crime a change, right, Why are
so many leftists against nuclear power when that has the
best option. Why has green pushed so much for nuclear power?
Is cleaner, better, more sustainable, more persistent. So you have
these these lines to the left too when it comes
to climate change. Change is real.
Speaker 2: I don't think I am on the left and I
support nuclear power. Is that weird?
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I mean I don't hear that a lot
from people from the left. So less I'm saying, it's
sometimes the left and right gets clouted on the big
issues that are spread across being stream nia versus good conversation.
Well you know Thomas Well, yes, most of the people
on campus that I talked to, I would say about
ninety nine percent of them, even the ones in business,
never heard of Thomas Well, and he's a legend of America.
Underrated genius, you don't think so.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, you can build him up if you want.
My thing is, I'm not as interested in the man
as I am the ideas. Oh wow, he's a genius.
Doesn't really do much in the arena of ideas for
you and me. I think this this this okay, fine,
you're like his ideas. This notion that all of the
left are against nuclear power, I've seen. I think even
if d don trema and I hope I didn't misrepresent her,
the s ibabe, I think she said that she thinks
nuclear power makes sense. My bigger concern is the vilification
of green policies by people who are receiving squillions of
dollars by fossil fuel companies, and they resist any kind
of green legislation, be it solar, wind, et cetera, and
they have vilified those who do so. Now this is
you know, we're not seeing We're not seeing this sort
of in the pocket let's burn as much coal as
we can activism on the left. We are seeing it
more on the right. And it's interesting how much money
is involved. I don't think let's let's develop technologies that
don't fuck up the planet should be a controversial idea.
I just think that's common sense, good sense, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: But if you listen to or read Michael schl or
Steve Newpan, Jesus Christ, how many names are you going
to give me?
Speaker 2: Tell me your ideas? Right, you can invoke as many
names as you want. What do you think.
Speaker 4: I'm just where they were, Like, I'm just seeing where
I got them from and what I liked about them.
So I would like to get them credit. And so
someone wants to say, oh, I'll check that guy out.
Speaker 2: That's all right, all right, Thomas, that is fair, that's
straight off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. Uh so for green energy have a
lot of trade offs that are not mentioned. You have
a highly destructive of land because you have to gain
all these rare minerals. You have the intermittent power. You
have the destruction and the waste of all these windmills
when they when they don't last very long. You don't
replace him to destroy them. That costs a lot of money.
They don't have a long lifespan. You have the destruction
of birds in the air with these windows. You have
solar energy that's only using part of the planet, and
you don't have the lines to get that power, even
from the desert all the way because our infrastructure sucks
so solar energy is only available in certain areas of America.
You know, the solar plants.
Speaker 2: I'm going to stop you don't You.
Speaker 4: Don't see you don't see that. You don't see that
nuance and the green energy pushes.
Speaker 2: It is very true that it's like electric cars. People
like to say that the EV is like being a
hippie and now you're back to nature and you're saving
the planet, ignoring the fact that it is the grid
which charges the lithium battery that runs the EV and
then we have to still develop better technologies for battery
manufacturing and recycling. Solar is the same, wins the same.
They're all going to be problematic, they're all going to
have their issues, but there is a lesser evil, and
we are seeing a resistance to the idea of evolving
how we create energy in this country. So no one
said they aren't flawed or problematic, but they also aren't
all equal. And I have seen that the people who
are more interested and these environmental concerns are people who
are on the left. More alarmingly, I see some people
who are part of the evangelical right who don't give
a shit because they think that Jesus is going to
show up next week and take everybody away, and he's
going to wipe the slate clean. This is a resource
we've been given dominion over. We get to use it
up and leave it in whatever state we choose. That
is an evangelical right thing. You and I can go
on and on and on, Thomas. I do appreciate you.
I I know we've had a spirited conversation here. I'm
going to and when I walk away, go back and
listen to this call, and I promise you I'm going
to do my best to assess, to assess the things
that you have said, and to try to approach them fairly.
And you know, I think that's what that's the responsible
thing to do. Would that be okay with you? Thomas?
Speaker 4: That would be lovely And I really appreciate your time set.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, you and I aren't enemies. I think we
just this is spirited debate. Okay, spirited debate.
Speaker 4: Would you mind if I sent a list of my
favorite atheist conservatives to checked out and you can decide
whether you're worthy of you.
Speaker 2: Here's a specific group of atheist conservatives that and they've
come after me online. And if the stuff you're going
to send me is anything like what I have seen
from them. Uh, we're not going to get very far. Uh.
They have, in my opinion, gotten sucked into even an
alt right black hole. And the fact that they are
atheists does not mean anything. Doesn't mean that they are
necessarily rationalist. It doesn't make them humanist. It just means
they got correct. The easiest question on the planet, is
there any evidence for God? So you can send me
a right wing atheist?
Speaker 4: No, tell YouTubers or Instagram powers.
Speaker 2: Is just I don't give a shit where they came from.
I'm saying that if they have gotten sucked into the
alt right machine, that's not going to purchase very much
with me. You're welcome to send me some links and
some names and I'll take a look. But I am
well familiar with what the right has been pitching. It's
what I do every day. Okay, okay, all.
Speaker 4: Right, thank you for your time, man, appreciate you a
lovely day and.
Speaker 7: Take it all right.
Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you. Thomas. I spent thirty years in right
wing culture. I wrote a book called Confessions of a
Former Fox News Christian, which got into right wing issues,
specifically whether it was reproductive rights or the lack of
whether it was healthcare, foreign policy, gun control, the death penalty, etc.
Let me send you something that'll explain what the right
skeptics are saying. We'll I already know what the right
says and we do it every single day. So is
the responsible thing to say? All right, We'll send me
a list of people and what I'm supposed to go
read all their books? Or do I read all their books?
And who's got the bandwidth for that? But is there
a way to get into it where it's manageable? I
don't know what are your thoughts about this? I want
to call it? Is it Shana s h I n
a at five oh four? Yes, it's me, I said, I,
what's going on?
Speaker 5: I have been Hey, I have been a fan of
you for since I've honestly you've helped me get out
of Christianity since I was like eighteen.
Speaker 2: You're very kind.
Speaker 5: I am a millennial. I have two children, a high
schooler and a fifth grader. And this is scary. This
is super scary. Yeah, my oldest son has in his
high school there is a club called Turning Point, and yeah,
they're everywhere, and I believe it or not, the teacher
who sponsors the.
Speaker 3: Nast teacher.
Speaker 5: So it's just mind boggling to me.
Speaker 2: Is this the same Turning point that Charlie Kirk founded?
Is it an affiliate of Turning Point USA? Do you know?
Speaker 5: Oh? Yes, yes, that is it.
Speaker 4: That is it.
Speaker 5: I see And when I so so when I listen
to you and you you know, you speak about free
speech and how you know we we do need to
allow the hateful speech, we do. I mean, that's it is,
that's that is what free speech is, right like south Park? Yeah, thank,
This is the.
Speaker 4: Funny.
Speaker 2: I'm losing your speech. I'm losing your.
Speaker 5: Shame like hey, hey, sorry.
Speaker 2: Hello, No, now I've got you back. But I didn't
want to miss anything critical that you're saying. So if
I'm understanding you, you know that we to the First
Amendment doesn't just cover the good stuff. It has to
cover the awful, awful, awful stuff. But as a mother
and as a human being, the power of that speech
is terrifying in this climate, especially that I hear that
right right, Yes.
Speaker 6: Yes it is.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I when when we talk about free speech, I think,
to the core, it's good to have. But when you look,
when we look back at you know, nineteen thirty three
through you know forty five. That's what That's what Hitler
ran on was free speech. He that's exactly what he
ran on, and and this administration is doing the same thing.
And that's that's exactly what they're doing with Charlie Kirk.
I mean, they're turning him into some kind of martyr.
Speaker 2: It's sad that I think this way, but it's not
my fault that I think this way. I think this
is conditioned response. Charlie Kirk's assassination is a horror. It
is a horror of political violence that should be rejected
by all moral people. I don't think Donald Trump is
a moral person, and I honestly think he is rubbing
his hands with delight at this gift, because now they
have someone that they can use as a poster boy
as an excuse, they can exploit the assassination of Charlie
Kirk to then wage war on anyone and everyone that
they arbitrarily consider the enemies of America and the enemies
of God. Was it Matt who was it Matt Walsh
or Matt Foley or somebody was calling the left demonic?
Elon Musk called the left the Party of murder. This
is civil war language. And I understand how scared you
are because I definitely feel it. And I don't think
I'm a free speech absolutist. I think hitch once said that,
you know, go into a crowded movie theater in yell fire, fire,
fire fire. He did it during speech, as if that's protected.
I don't think that's I don't think that should be allowed.
It becomes a public safety issue, which reveals this weird
gray area. How do you define it? It's instance by instance,
it's subjective, it's contextual, it's all of these things. It's messy,
and human beings do not like messy.
Speaker 3: Do we?
Speaker 5: Right See, where I'm where I'm conflicted is in public school,
because I mean, I pay my taxes, I'm a firm
believer in public school. I like, I'm sending my kids
to public school, regardless of the fact that it's pretty
terrible now.
Speaker 7: It's not.
Speaker 5: It's not what it used to be, even when I
was in school in the nineties.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It's just I feel as though right wing media has
pretty much taken over our entire country, whether it be
seeping into high school or just seeping into left wing media.
It's like it's I read a while back, like the
spectrum of media and how right wing has pushed the
left so far right that the left is barely even
the left anymore. And I think that the response to
that push is not I don't think it's enough to
combat the right. If you understand what I'm saying. I
feel like the right is so hardcore and extreme it
that that I think it's gonna get really bad before
it gets any better. And that's just like the unfortunate
realization of myself and the you know, the thoughts on
all this.
Speaker 2: I told Brian Dunning, a friend of mine, I said,
I'm just going to declare my own lot, my own lot,
my house, a sovereign nation, the United State of Sethistan,
and I'm going to just essentially dig a hole and
wait it out, because it's like you don't even want
to look out the windows these days. I knew it'd
be bad. You knew it would be bad, but we
had no idea to be this bad. Certainly this bad,
this fast. But I will be interested to see the
response of the no Kings protests coming up October eighteenth.
They're already promoting the hell out of it. Thousands of
locations have been established. We saw five million people last time.
I still think having our faces seen, one of them
voices heard, it's it feels good to do something. And
I think it's important for us to be a to
say that we didn't sit on our hands, but we
went out and sent a message. And at some point
I would like to think that these self preservationist politicians
will see the rising tide and having no shit moment
and even if they don't do it for the right reason.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I That's what I told my husband.
My husband was very much wanted to sit on his hands.
He was very much like, I don't know, you know,
he kept looking at me with the side eye every
time I would bring up going to the protest safety though,
and he was happy. I think, so, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think he's just you know, Natalie was worried about me.
She's like, this is Oklahoma. Yeah, you're going to take
that sign out to one of the most busy intersections
in this town. Are you worried about getting you know, hurt?
Speaker 5: Oh? Oh, I can't. I don't know. That's like I
grew up in deep, deep self Louisiana, and yeah, I
don't think I would be able to do that. So
you are a brave one.
Speaker 2: No I'm not brave, but I'm I'm I'm I just
can't not and I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think that's how I feel.
Speaker 2: In town that weekend. So I'm gonna try to take
my brand new spiffy sign that says, first they fascinate
the fools, then they muzzle the intelligent. It's got a
big cartoon of Trump on it. I'm gonna take it
out and just see if I get beat up, and
then I'll tell everybody what happens.
Speaker 5: Shamna.
Speaker 2: So hey, you hang in there. You this too shall pass.
I know it sounds like a bumper stick. I hope
it's but I think you're right. I think it's gonna be.
It's gonna get a lot worse. It's gonna get a
lot worse. And I don't even know what that means,
and I'm scared about what it means.
Speaker 5: I know, and that's the scary part. Well, I can't
wait to see you in Albuquerque.
Speaker 2: I will be there. I will be there for those
who want to know about all of my speaking events.
Sath Andrews dot com and then click on the speaking
tab Albuquerque, Denver, Sacramento. Those are all coming up and
you are a much appreciated so you know, keep the
non faith okay and hang in there. Definitely all right too,
see you Landor we are not done. Short break back
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This nervousness, you know, everybody's starting to drop. And the
voices that were speaking truth to power, that dared to
say the Emperor has no clothes, that were pains in
the ass, fly in the ointment, commentators on the culture.
They're having the rug pulled out from underneath them at
the highest level. What happens next is the pendulum start
to swing back, because finally people say hell no, I
mean they if Tucker Carlson says hell no, is there
a chance or is just this the next Domino? And
what we build years from now? Will have to be
built upon the ashes. I hear that fear. I hear
that fear. Vinny calling from Long Island six' three to, One,
welcome what's, up.
Speaker 7: Seth i've been watching you and listening to you SINCE
i was in high. School. GEEZ i think you were
probably the most significant person when it comes to me
REALIZING i was an. Atheist AND i do want to
thank you a lot for. That seriously does mean a.
Speaker 2: Lot thank. You you did all the, work, man BUT
i just tried to Encourage.
Speaker 7: Yeah but You, YES i definitely did the. Work but
what's funny, too is LIKE i come from an area
Of Long island that has always been drum, country always
Has Fox news. On i'll say THIS i don't want
to say in my, background but most my relatives, believe
among other, Things obama's not born In, america that He's.
Kenyan they Think Michelle obama is a. Man they Think
George soros is the one that's controlling. Everything they, think you,
Know bill And Hillary clinton have people, Assassinated Joe biden
is you, know you, know all this other. Stuff and
they think That, joe That Donald trump is like The Supreme,
emperor and you, Know god is telling him to do.
That it's it's so oh so. Insane it's just absolutely.
INSANE i haven't seen this my whole. Life and what's worse,
too is that my father in particular has gone even
further rights as time has Gone he was originally like
a Moderate, democrat but as time has gone, on he
now thinks stuff like you, Know Emmanuel ron's. Wife as
a man that thinks, that you, Know january sixth was
created by you, Know Nancy, pelosi he thinks stuff like.
That he also thinks that the twenty twenty election was
stolen from. It it's it's so much crazy. Stuff and
now it's At Charlie kurchi assassination there he is so
full on trying to get every single enemy that he
sees as, canceled And trump packoes that and it really scares.
Speaker 2: Me IS i don't know else to say? THIS i,
mean are they mentally? Ill like we've got a lot
of conspiracy theories my.
Speaker 3: Dad.
Speaker 2: YEAH i, MEAN i forgive me for asking the, question
but some of that stuff just is so. Untethered i'm,
like what's that.
Speaker 7: About, well my dad has been paranoia his time has
gone on because he's been dealing with like health issues and,
whatnot and he listens to like a lot of the
issue comes from like, sports AND i do have a
background in sports, media and a lot of the right
wing kind of people tend to be very like, strength
like strength, strength, strength, champions you want. Loot And i'm
someone that is more kind to people that not perceived
as as successful but had a very huge impact in other.
Ways and people like him have kind of looked down
upon me as someone who wants losers or second place
or you, know the classic participation trophy. People and that
kind of plays Into trump BECAUSE i See trump as
this very, tough macho. Individual and he also has gone
to the point that he thinks That Joe biden is
someone that represents no morals at, all but yet he
Wants trump to come. Back he Wanted trump to come
back in because for some, reason he thinks That trump
will bring morality, back even though he's the epitome of
every one of the Seven Deadly sentence and breaks every
one of The Ten, commandments and he's not even a religious.
Person he just wants this power because he has this
nostalgia from the nineteen eighties that he can't. Shake and
has been a part of him simmer since he was,
little and you, know one of a big reason why
he even seals.
Speaker 2: It oh forgive, ME i was just gonna. Say one
of the THINGS i find most astounding is when they
say That biden was an enemy Of. Christianity And i'm,
like that man took his presidential oath on a five
inch thick bible that had been in his family for
one hundred and thirty. Years it's this idea that he
was like the enemy Of christianity and anti religious, liberty.
Etc is just crazy.
Speaker 7: Crazy it's hilarious, too because my grandmother is she definitely
is more intellectually, disabled but with, her like she, heard
her sultle skills are worse than that of like a.
Toddler that's been the case for her of my entire.
Life and she is super super, religious but she thinks
that Like biden is the Anti christ and everything like,
that which is really. Hilarious and like a lot of
my relatives are very, deeply deeply religious to a very unseen.
Level AND i try to walk a very fine line
when it comes To Charlie. KIRK i, MEAN i did
not Like Charlie kirk hated what he, said BUT i
thought his assassination was absolutely. Horrible BUT i also knew
for a fact that they were that a lot of
people are going to turn him to like a horse
vessel kind of. Figure like a lot of people on
the radio were literally comparing him to the Fucking, Jesus
like holy, shit, guys, like, yeah he accomplished a lot
at his young, age but these are there many people,
Too like you, know you're thinking Like, Mozart you're thinking a.
Braid you think of all these other people that also
accomplished a lot of things that such a young age,
Too but you don't see anyone comparing them To. Jesus
but Because Charlie kirk was A christian fundamentalist and, nationalists
we need to see him as a, hero, like, oh
he was killed first. Beliefs, no he was killed by
a twenty year old that was lost in his life
and killed him because he was radicalized by the world
that he was he grew up.
Speaker 3: In that's what.
Speaker 7: Happened it wasn't because but my dad thinks that, way
and so we want to See colbert and everything In Kimmel.
Hell back When biden was, president HE i remember him
straight up saying To, jensaki when is someone going to blow?
Over brings, Out like that's what he actually, said AND
i was disgusted by, it like a holy.
Speaker 2: War if you dehumanize, people if you remove their humanity
and call them, demonic you can do whatever you want to,
them and you're. Justified and it is, scary.
Speaker 7: Scary, like my dad isn't a religious person at. All my,
relatives though they're they're also really they're also really. Extreme
and but my, dad a big reason why he's, gone you,
know far, right is because he was radicalized by seeing
a couple of transgender people playing women's. Sports, now unlike
other people that are right, wing he actually cares about you,
know women's. Sports he's taught you, know girls sports in.
Schools he's watches THE. Wnba but for some, reason like
but you, know he like really hates transgender, People like
he thinks transgenderism is a, phase and he thinks that
The democrats are trying to indoctrinate people to think that,
Way like you really think they, Are like a lot
of my closest friends are, Transgender like DO i need
to like be worried for? Them because of people like
my father or other, relatives like NOW i get. It
it's just like has children's shows some fucking, compassion like like.
Speaker 2: You, know they this is a culture of, boogeymen, Right
this is a culture where there everybody's coming to strip
everything they have and endanger their kids and Ruin america
and send us all To hell in a. Handbasket and
you know it's just, terrible, Right.
Speaker 7: So so many of, them so many of them just
talk about the, children AND i, HONESTLY i don't think
they care about. CHILDREN i think they only care about
children because they want to indoctrinate those. Children that's WHAT i.
Think it's been that way SINCE i was, little because
like WHEN i see like bol O'Reilly Or Glenn beck
Or shawn Hay so on its form with the, children
the war On christmas and all this other, stuff it's, like,
really you think The, democrats you Think George soros And
Barack obama thinking about this stuff on a daily. BASIS
i remember when they were talking about From gazi twenty
four to, Seven, like, okay now That trump's back, In,
Okay you've been wanting to see these people arrested for.
Years just just at this point as much AS i
hate to. Say it's part me just want to see
these people, arrested just to shut these people, up because
this has been a talking point That i've been seen
in the news ever SINCE i was, Little like you're
saying That Bill clinton And Hillary clinton And Joe biden
And Barack obama And michelle but all this over and over.
Again are these evil? People and you know at this,
Point i'm just tired of. IT i don't want to
see them. Arrested but the reason WHY i would want
to see them arrested just shut them.
Speaker 2: UP i don't WANT i don't. THINK i don't think
arrest is is the way. FORWARD i do. THINK i,
AGREE i, agree BUT i. Agree, okay all, right Well,
Vinnie i'm gonna move. On but thank you for expressing
yourself on the, show and thank you for the kind.
WORDS i.
Speaker 7: APPRECIATE i appreciate. IT i appreciate, It. Seth AND i
don't want to see anyone, arrested But i'm just tired of.
It BUT i appreciate. You thank you for, Everything, seth
and keep up non, faith be very.
Speaker 2: Kind we'll see you. Later take. Care you did damn
it for making me agree With Marjorie Taylor, green BECAUSE
i actually did for a hot, minute and she's, like
we should just divide The United. States these are irreconcilable.
Differences we should just have one side of the political
spectrum her on the other. Side. Here, NOW i know
this is like pie in the, sky extremely reductive fantasy type,
stuff BUT i have had this. Conversation what if we
all partitioned ourselves into this massive part of the geographic
landscape and this massive part of the geographic. Landscape And
i'll tell you what we'll. Do we'll pursue. Science we'll
develop clean energy and do our best to take care
of our. Resources we'll promote science based, education including the
teaching of evolution and vaccine, science. Etc we will provide
protections across the board for all minority. Groups we will
established sensible gun, legislation well. Regulated we're not going to ban,
guns but we're going to regulate them. Properly we're going
to take i would, say even drastic measures to try
to prevent the mass shootings that have become so common
that we forget them an hour after they, happen even
when they happen in our. Schools we're going to do
something about. It what's that. Line the definition of insanity
is to do the same thing over and over and
expect a different. Result, Right we're going to do something.
Different we're going to abolish the death. Penalty we're going
to focus on mental health issue. Use we're going to
educate the public about the, wide, wild amazing variations in
the human. Condition we're going to respect the planet and each.
Other we're going to build a humanistic. Country and all
of you over, here when you start dying of, disease
and when you get, polio and when you can't breathe
the air because you're choking on the, pollutants and when
your cost of living has gone through the, roof and
when you're at the mercy of the oligarchs and your,
speech which you thought was, free was actually not because
they did eventually come for. You when the price of
eggs didn't go down but, quadrupled because there's a monopoly on,
retail because there weren't proper. Regulations it wasn't straight up
las a fair capitalism where the people way at the
top got to manipulate everybody. Else when you need sense and,
science one day maybe you can come scratching on our
gate and we'll have a. CONVERSATION i know there were children.
INVOLVED i know there are people who would have no.
CHOICE i know that you can't control who your parents
are and what culture you're born. INTO i get, IT
i get. IT i. Understand i'm just, saying if we
were to be reductive and we were to have a
little sandbox fantasy for ten, seconds, Okay i'd like to
see how that social experiment plays. OUT i would like
to play that version of THE sims and then watch
and see what the result is after a ten to
twenty year. PERIOD i tell you right, NOW i don't
think it's going to be the. Right the worship of
billionaires is not going to get us where we need to.
Go science denial is not going to get us where
we need to. Go Vilifying fauci's not going to get
us where we need to. Go invoking The book Of
genesis is not going to get us where we need to.
Speaker 8: Go hang, On i'm running out of time. Here SO
i got to find something that we haven't already spoken.
Speaker 2: About nine two, zero is?
Speaker 7: It?
Speaker 2: Bonnie?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes Welcome.
Speaker 2: Bonnie what's on your? Mind?
Speaker 6: YEAH i was, Hi, YEAH i Like Jimmy. KIMMEL i
watched that segment over and over, again and he didn't
say anything bad about what's his Name. Kirk he was
talking about the right making political points over the, murderer you,
know because they were trying to they were trying the
right was trying to paint the murder as being a
leftist right away before they even knew anything about, him
and they were making the, left The democrats all looked
like the enemy right. Away and so WHEN i was
Watching jimmy, WELL i went back To hulu AND i
watched The Monday Night show, again you know where the
reason why he got kicked, off and he did not
say anything bad About Charlie kirk at. All and then
he was kind of poking in front of the fact
that when somebody Asked Donald, trump you know how he
was dealing with it right, away he went to the.
Ballroom So Jimmy kimmel, said as you, know he was
dealing with the grief like a four year old would
deal with the grief of a, fish you, know. Goldfish
and so then it made me mad BECAUSE i Like
Jimmy kimmel a. LOT i, MEAN i actually like him
better Than Stephen colbert even and NOW i hate watching
Got field On. FOX i can't Stand fox because they're Still,
republican and SO i don't watch. It so people that
people that don't Like Jimmy kimmel because he doesn't Like,
trump they can turn the. Channel it's, LIKE i don't
watch Got field BECAUSE i don't like what he has to,
say which, is you, know Pro. Republican SO i don't watch.
It NOW i can't Watch Jimmy kimmel because because he
made a, comment you, know he commented about the fact
That Donald trump acted like a four year old when
it comes to grief because he didn't seem affected at,
all because he switched right away to the to the,
ballroom you.
Speaker 4: Know so that's.
Speaker 6: Upsetting that's upsetting to me BECAUSE i always look forward
To Jimmy kimball BECAUSE i like watching. Him now there's
a young fellow that just put up a video about
a day ago and it's, secular secular, talk and he
said that there is a mass shooting in a homeless. Camp,
now that guy On, fox he made a comment about
killing homeless people they don't want to go to a,
shelter and yet he's still working. THERE i, MEAN i
really don't get. It And it is scary to. Me
AND i turned On The view today because IT'S, abc
AND i know That Whoopi goldberg doesn't Like trump, either
and they made no comment about, it AND I Jimmy
KIMMEL'S abc and The view made no comment about. It
and one of the reasons WHY i watched The view
is BECAUSE i like hearing them talk about topics like.
That Now i'm afraid that they're all going to be
their hands are going to be tied, now and none
of them are going to be able to, comment you,
know if they're, critical because what Be goldberg is quite
critical Of Donald. Trump and so Now i'm afraid that
all of these, shows their hands are going to be
tied and they won't be able to say, anything you,
know are the show's going to get canceled? Now Jimmy
kimmel had hundreds and hundreds of people that lost their
jobs because of, This and, YEAH i Mean fox can
they can say anything they want and nothing's going to
happen to. Him and that's my.
Speaker 2: RANT i, Gotcha my. Gotcha, well you have a forum
to rant on and you're, Ranted, Well bonnie AND i hear,
you and so does the. Audience so thanks for calling
the show.
Speaker 6: Today thank you for letting me.
Speaker 2: Talk oh you bet, you we'll see. It you know
what bugs me the? People you can understand somebody who
goes along and doesn't criticize the media conglomerate that employs
them because maybe they don't have, resources they don't have
a place to, land they may lose. Everything i'm not
sure this excuses the abandoning of one's, convictions but, okay
let's look at it. Logistically WHAT i don't understand is
when people who have more money than you AND i
will see in a lifetime and are set for, life
when they say and do nothing when they go. Along
that blows my blows my. Mind they can cancel every
platform that you are on and you would still be
worth five hundred million. Dollars you could go, anywhere you
could do anything your. Set you will pay almost no,
penalty except you won't have a conduit on this particular media.
Outlet why aren't you saying? More that does blow my?
Mind that blows my. MIND i must beg your. FORGIVENESS
i am out of. Time, WELL i have another conversation about.
THIS i have a feeling AND i Have Dave, farina
a science educator who is going to talk About, well
we're going to talk about some of the stuff that
came up on the show. Today and, Honestly i'm going
to put myself in as a let you be a
steward of me as a. HOST i HOPE i earlier
Handled thomas. FAIRLY i do tend to interrupt WHEN i
begin to hear people tell me what the right, says
AND i don't have a lot of patience for, it
perhaps to a. Fault so IF i handled that, UNFAIRLY
i want to, know let me know in the. COMMENTS
i want to be a good steward of this, show
And i'm going to make sure That i'm a good
steward of these, conversations even PEOPLE i disagree. With but
having Written Fox news christian and coming out of thirty
years Of WILLIAM. F, Buckley Ronald, reagan And colter Rush
Limbaugh Fox News, CONSERVATISM i know what the right says
and thinks because not just, that BUT i do it every.
DAY i, commented we literally are dismantling these ideas which
are imbued With. Christianity they are like the milkshake and
you're trying to remove one, ingredient remove the milk from
the milkshake, right Remove christianity from today's right. Wing i'm,
sorry you just can't do. It there is a blend
and that land is. Set it is. There you cannot unmix.
It it is the way that it. Is and SO
i do tend to IF i feel like someone, say
IF i feel like it's a waste of, TIME i
do tend, to you, know hop in. There BUT i
may have overreacted IF i. Did let me, know you,
KNOW i genuinely want to make SURE i was a
good steward of. That and if the idea is, reasonable
and it's, not, hey read this tome and then watch,
this you, know series of long videos by somebody who
happens to be right. WING i don't respond well to.
THAT i think the ideas themselves need to stand on their.
Own it's almost the equivalent is when somebody sends you
a religious book and, says, hey, hey read you know what's?
That what's That LEE strobyl read this book By Lee.
Strobel it'll explain. Everything And i'm just Like Jesus, christ
you got to be kidding. Me by the Way i've
Read Lee, STROBEL i so appreciate, you AND i hear your. Frustration, no, no,
No we'll talk more about, talking more speech about. Speech
have a wonderful.
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