Speaker 1: You know, I love Mike. We have so much to
talk about. But with you, I you know, I got
so much to talk about because I see Mikey Moore,
you know, I'll see him once a month or so.
But you, me and you have so much history together
with all of this stuff that I can't really talk
to anybody else about it at all.
Speaker 2: It's funny you say that because I said that once,
because I think about it, and I'm like, you know,
like there's so much that concerning the show, especially right
the show, like especially from its inception, like I said before,
like we did like the lion's share of the work
on like all the early stuff. I mean, people were
involved every listen, I'm not, but me and you were,
like we were chained to the lift together and that
went on for years like five, right, and then you
were then you left, and then when things started back
up we have all that we have like another five years.
Speaker 1: And we kind of went back to the beginning with
a small crew. We did and it was the majority
of it was just me and you.
Speaker 2: That's it. It was just fun. You know, we had
all our guys, but you know, Brendan would come in
do his sheet metal. You know what I'm saying. It
was good, man, It was good. And we just just
so many hours of like late nights and like just
planning and like you know, coming up with the ideas
and figuring out how to execute them in those detailed
moments that were real nuance. Like it was like the
dynamic was like what we were together was very efficient
for what it needed to be because we had this
super high level creative and then we were able to
execute it right. And so that combination we.
Speaker 1: Figured it out a way to make it happen always, always,
And we love that part of it.
Speaker 2: Don't you think the troubleshooting for me and you is
like it's it's it's almost all the fun. As much
as I like the end game and what it looks like,
getting there is the whole thrill. That's why to go
and do it again like we did so many times.
We got to exercise that a lot. Most people do
a project like we've done hundreds of times one time
in their life. We do it once a month, once
a month, you know what I'm saying. You just crank
it around, finish, yeah, and always pushing the envelope, like
pushing what I always felt like and I always like
to do it like this. We always had to push,
push push. I liked when we were all a little
uncomfortable because we got the best because just when you
thought you did the best you can do, you realize
you could.
Speaker 1: Do a little better.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: And that really always did that.
Speaker 2: We always did that.
Speaker 1: Always. There was never a project we did where we
were like right and you know who benefited.
Speaker 2: We learned. But like our clients, clients, our clients one dude,
because they there was nothing out there that we were
never like the company that was like we built bikes. No. Never,
we were like, we're gonna crush it. We're gonna crush it.
We're gonna sell the brand, and we're going to fully
integrate who they are. And they're not going to see it,
but when they see it, they're going to be so
relieved that it looks this damn good, you know, I know.
So it's crazy.
Speaker 1: That is crazy, man, that is it's just great.
Speaker 2: It's yeah.
Speaker 1: I think about it all the time and we're so
fortunate to be able to do all that stuff and
not hunting for it, no, just doing what you wanted
to do.
Speaker 2: That's it, man. People got to fight tooth and nail
every part of two projects we did.
Speaker 1: Even the crap that we had to deal with. We
were fortunate, yes, because first of all, that helps.
Speaker 2: You grow very much. So it helps you grow up,
it does, you know, even though you think you're an
adult at the time. You know, when you're in your dude,
early mid twenties, we thought we knew everything. I know,
you know, and you really don't. You really don't.
Speaker 1: And I even see now I'm fifty two. Yeah, I'm
still learning all the time, especially with new computer stuff.
Speaker 2: With cars, you probably got to keep up with that, huh.
Speaker 1: I spend almost the whole morning out in the parking
lot getting everything ready for the boy because they need
to know what to do, and I'm the only diagnoser
and shop you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like you got a good system.
Speaker 1: We do.
Speaker 2: We have a system.
Speaker 1: I have such a good crew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Man. So you're orchestrating, You're you're running
top down, and everyone's doing their thing and you got
a good team. That's sounds like how it was with us.
We had the same kind of situation.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got their job, you know, and then there's always
a guy like I was always the guy and I
am here.
Speaker 2: You got to wear every hat, right of course. Yeah,
but you're also the owner. That's that's always going to be.
Speaker 1: But even at the shop, I always had to help everybody.
Speaker 2: Of course, Yes, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 1: I just that's just the kind of guy. That's my personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're also well rounded, so that makes you
you could apply your you're what you're understanding multiple things,
right exactly. Yeah, yeah, definitely, that's what universe.
Speaker 1: That's what makes me happy though. Yeah, you know, it's
just that's who I am. Ye, so, but yeah, it
was it was great.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: It's great being able to catch up like this because,
like I said, we could talk on the phone or
see each other and talk for ten minutes, but you
don't get to kind of.
Speaker 2: Especially as time like the right, that's what we're doing
reminiscently are the older we get, the more we want
to be doing this, you know what I'm saying. We
were busy for a while, and now we're like, well,
you know, when are we going to take time? If
not now, because you start to think about things a
little bit, you know. But yeah, this has been great man.
I appreciate you letting me come and park on your
doorstep inside your shop version.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, listen, it's great you could have
came here because it made it happen. It took a
big burden off me trying to figure out when I'm
going to do this and get it done. And with
the bike event coming up to it's a great time
to do it because we were playing on waiting until yeah,
but that.
Speaker 2: Wasn't gonna work. This this works out good for me.
You know, I got this trailer from Right Trailers. These guys,
I mean, what do you think of this thing?
Speaker 1: This trailer is awesome.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Right this is an intact all aluminum too.
They did a great job, didn't they. Even our lights
are working out good for for the podcast side of it.
Speaker 1: These lights are killing it. Even you don't even have
a generator on here yet, no things having dimmed one bit.
Speaker 2: He's not going to go up and down.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, because it plugged into the truck and oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Oh, it's pulling on the battery. It's sharing
the battery and then when.
Speaker 1: You start that, it'll charge it. Whatever is in this
I don't know what they have in here. For batteries.
Speaker 2: But well, I just got that one car battery there
that runs, you know, because it's got the electric lift
on it. But but you mean, all the years we've
been driving around using trailers, and this is the nicest
one I've ever been into, Because I'm telling you, when
I first saw this, I was tickled because we've had
tons of trailers.
Speaker 1: Remember the first one that we went down to freaking
steal pony with that trailer?
Speaker 2: What did it have like a wood floor in it? Oh?
Speaker 1: It was it was it was checkered.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, checkered. That's that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's still I remember we I don't want
to keep going on, but you're good. I remember one
of the events we went, I think it was Cincinnati,
and then we had to go move somewhere else and
it was too many people and we all sat on
the bikes in the trailer and just went that way.
Speaker 2: When they drove like a merry go round. It was hilarious.
Speaker 1: It's just the stuff that you dealt with in the beginning,
you know. Yeah, And it doesn't make it any worse, Nope, no,
not at all. It makes you to appreciate this kind
of trailer.
Speaker 2: You do, man, And we had some slummy trailers and
they got beat up bad. But I'm telling you do
when this thing showed up, even the way that tailgate
goes down, it has that extra thing you know when
you fabricate stuff. Even this wheel well, you take those
two screws off and that whole wheelwell comes out and
it just to me, it's like everything you would love
to build this right here, you know what I mean?
I know.
Speaker 1: And so speaking of bikes, putting them in trailers, I
think one of the coolest things we ever did is
at the end we started, remember we started making the
mounts water jetting them in the bottom with the air suspension,
and we'd let them down and they would sit flat.
Speaker 2: And we're that nice man. And that's smart because.
Speaker 1: Those kind of ideas are the things I love, I know,
because still to see and see machine. That's all I
do is think about how.
Speaker 2: To improve things. You're fixing problems. Yeah, you're just fixing
little problems and making better things.
Speaker 1: Making better things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm with you, I know, all right, Well,
I won't keep you. It's pitch black out and I'm
sure you got to go home for dinner. But i'd
love to do this again. I'm telling you, man, this
has got me inspired because I feel like I gotta
go take this thing. I gotta go anywhere. Man, Well
you can park this anywhere, dude. I'll get a generator
for it, just to keep that battery up. But I mean,
what else do you need? Man, we're mobile, we always
free cam.
Speaker 1: We've got to get an acun in here.
Speaker 2: I think you're right, that would be nice.
Speaker 1: They do they they'll go right in them things you
take out that vent that a right on top, they
go right on top, yeap, and that then you'd be
really I mean, then you can close the doors. You
could stay the night in here. Yeah you had to.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're right. Put a little cot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just love these aluminum floors.
Speaker 2: And I like these airline what are they called? Oh yeah, yeah,
they're so nice. There's so much nice.
Speaker 1: Click come off.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ye nice for cleaning too if you get caught.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, even if you want to pull up with
two bikes in here, I could bring two bikes on
a pot and just set up and have the bikes
right here, right here, and roll them out if you
needed to imagine if you did this live, just pull
up to some event and park it like a tailgating
thing or something like that.
Speaker 1: You can do a lot live podcast right out of here. Yeah,
with real questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with people sitting out there in chairs. It could work, man, Nate,
come on, make it happen, bro.
Speaker 1: You could do it at the bike event.
Speaker 2: Oh why not. We're going to be there anyway anyway.
All right, we're doing a podcast. You're coming, Nate? Yeah,
I like it, man, We could do it.
Speaker 1: We could even pick the sketchiest person out to COVID.
Speaker 2: Here and sit. Hey, no, we're going to start advertising it.
I'm telling you. We could do this at night and
just do a Q and A. Bro, we don't even
need to talk. Could we don't even need to talk
to each other. Let's do it. We're going to add
this to the Q and A the TRUP. We're gonna
be there anyway. All I need is this and some
camera equipment. Are you coming, dude? This is done. I
like it, man, live, podcast, Q and A all three.
I think live would go sick. We never do anything live.
Speaker 1: That would be the best.
Speaker 2: It would be best people out here and people at home,
live going straight out there. Man, that would do well,
all right, I'm in it man, and we got Michael
be there. Maybe we can get Rick to come. These
three of us is like perfect, especially if it was
like question and answer. We would need a microphone for
the cameras for who's asking the question and another camera
on that person. That way you can you know, edit
it up later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be good.
Speaker 2: Right. We love answering questions, don't you love that? It's
like the easiest funnest stuff you can ever do.
Speaker 1: You know what was funny? I was bringing Vanessa to
Binghamton the other day and some fans are still obsessed
with the show. Oh I know, I know this dude.
I was getting in my box truck because I brought
the box truck up to mover her and I'm going
to get it.
Speaker 2: And he loves you.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm like thinking that maybe I know the guy.
Speaker 2: And he comes over and he's like, dude, we were
just talking about you.
Speaker 1: We still watched the show. He was like, he's from
a Long Island.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love you. Yeah, dude, I'm telling
you know what you know. Let me tell you about
that guy. Guy probably does pretty well, probably a legit guy,
but he genuinely loves you. And that's a real and
I'll tell you what. That's American chopper right there. Whatever
you might think about it, it's that exact thing. Because
I'll tell you I just did an event. I'm repping
this product retise and we were at the Ace Hardware
show and they're all business owners because so Ace Hardware,
they're all individually owned, so corporate doesn't tell they make
suggestions and they have the warehouse. But as an owner,
you could buy what you want. They can't make you
stock stuff. So so you have all these individual owners there, dude,
and they're all like losing their minds. I'm there with
the black Win home shaking hands. The guys are coming up,
these guys like three hundred stores. I mean, these are
accomplished people, and they have such an appreciation. Man, it's
such a genuine thing. It's not fanboy. It's like a respect.
They have a respect for you, you know, and.
Speaker 1: That's because you weren't acting.
Speaker 2: You weren't acting, and you did cool shit. You build
things that every time and you know what, every time
they sat down, they watched more cool stuff and they
couldn't believe it that it could get any cooler from
the last time, and that went on for ten years
of their lives and now they're fifty, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1: And you know, another thing too is the amount of
kids that are in their early to mid twenties. I
just went, We just stayed at Winding Hills with our
camper for two weeks and I leave it there and
then we just go when we watch It's a nice
the Street. I love it.
Speaker 2: So we go there.
Speaker 1: And the kid that I was going to, you know,
you go to the fill the paperwork in camp. He
was a young guy and I could see he was
looking at me like he knew this. It was like
elbowing me. And she's like, I know, She's like, this
guy is like obsessed with you say, and you know,
the guy was like, I'm just telling you. I'm just
I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I grew up from like five years old watching you
with my dad. And there's a lot of them kids
out there that I wouldn't think would be a fan
that I didn't think they knew about it, but they
grew up with their dad watching it.
Speaker 2: I know, so they were little. Yeah, And you got
to remember too, man, think about it. Who people don't
really watch things together like that anymore, like fathers and sons.
I mean other than sports, dude, you're not getting together.
Everyone's on their phone. So that is such a memory
for these guys, and now they know what it is
to not have that exist anymore.
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: So they lived a point in time. And you know,
a lot of these guys they're fifty, so you know,
people move on pass away, and they did these things
watching our show together. So it's so important to them,
you know, it really is. It's not just a show
that was on twenty years ago or started twenty years ago.
There's a lot of shows like that. It's a show
that lasted for a decade and made a lasting impression
on the globe, not just the States. Because you know,
and I'm not patting myself on.
Speaker 1: Stating fact, Yes, this is the reality of it.
Speaker 2: That's the reality of it.
Speaker 1: That's in the diverse crowd. I could never get my
mind wrapped around that. It could be eighty year old
women housewives. No, it could be trench diggers, anything from
any party. You know.
Speaker 2: People said, I didn't watch the show. I wasn't into motorcycles,
and I thought nobody who watched the show is into motorcycles.
Speaker 1: The majority of them weren't.
Speaker 2: There were bikers, but some people didn't even like motorcycles.
They just they love the process. It's it's it's age
old Americana working with your hands, being creative. And the
theme too, you know, you do a fire by.
Speaker 1: A lot of people loved you and your dad even
though it was you know, it was toxic at times,
but it was just the interaction. Listen, amount of families.
Speaker 2: Listen the reaction between me and my our interaction which
you kind of knew before before television, right, so you
knew it was volatile, right, So this was way before
camera showed up. But my father, in his volatility, made
the show from the standpoint of like it put a magnifice,
you know, it was the sensational thing that everybody loved
to hate you know at times, right, I agree, But
it was that that was the catalyst, was my father,
because I wasn't that personality. I was the guy who
tried not to fight until I couldn't anymore and then
I lost my mind. I didn't I wasn't able to
provoke that type of dynamic he was. Was it bad, yes, sometimes,
but if I.
Speaker 1: Look back at it for the show, it was great.
Speaker 2: I don't look at it like in any kind of
negative way because it had so many attributes, you know,
like you're just gonna look at the one bad part.
Look what it afforded us, like all of this experience,
you know.
Speaker 1: And that's what it's about, because at the end of
the day, forget about all the material things, forget about
it all.
Speaker 2: It's all about it's all. That's it. Man, You're right,
it's not the way. The money is always nice and
you want it and you need it, but hey, have
you got enough to go out to dinner once a
week and see your family and have a nice roof
over your head?
Speaker 1: What do you need?
Speaker 2: Bro? You need like millions and millions of dollars. It's nice,
you know, if you can have a lot of money,
But that's not.
Speaker 1: Whatever makes as long as that's not important, because exactly.
Speaker 2: Here's what happens. It's lonely in the end. If that's
how you feel about it, that's how you feel. If
that money is that important to you, it's it doesn't end.
Speaker 1: You have to be happy first to enjoy money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gouldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: Exactly so, And you know what, it makes it better too,
when you work hard for it.
Speaker 2: It does, it does, it does, and.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you because when I we started the show,
like you were, you work forever. I worked in the
steel business for like I think I was twelve years
in right when the show came, maybe maybe thirteen, working hard,
have nothing to show for it, having nothing to show
for it, like you know that paycheck barely made it
to Monday, right, and that for a decade of your
adult life, and that was it. So when success came
and any kind of money, right, that was a whole.
Like you had an appreciation for how much like that
money was.
Speaker 1: Because you know how hard it is to make that.
Speaker 2: Can nobody makes it. I mean, you're not making it,
and especially if you like think about it, and then
even over time, you know, you start getting paid for
the show, and I mean, it's just it blew my mind. Financially,
the show was good. I feel like, you know, certainly
you can have arguments with that from every direction because
it was so insane, but I will say that it
afforded me a lot. It really did, you know, I mean,
it really did. And I always appreciated it. Yeah, and
at least I understood the value.
Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't always do the right.
Speaker 2: Thing right, but I understood the value just from all
those years of working, you know, just from having time
in and going. I know what it is to work
sixty hours and hard work in the sun whatever, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing you got to do with your
kids too, And that's what I do with mine. That's
why they work here. They have to know what it takes,
you know. I love that they do do that, you
know what I mean? They have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, or else you can't really instill those values,
you can't. You got to show them you do.
Speaker 1: And like I said, to even want my kids, they
have to pay for their guests, They have to pay
for their insurance. They need to know what it takes
to drive a vehicle. You know how much it costs.
Speaker 2: I know. But you know you got a good system
because you just gave your You got your son a car, right,
but he knows. Okay, here's responsible it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that all my kids got their first car,
that was it. Yeah, you know, and I maintain their
cars and everything for them. They're all here when I
do it, yeah, right, to see what's got to be done.
They got to notice sweat that goes into it. Yeah,
because I got to not only financially do it, I
gotta I gotta do the physical work to do it too.
Speaker 2: Right, you know. And it's kind of your dad was
that way with you. He was maybe a little harsher, but.
Speaker 1: He was definitely a little harsher. Yeah, but it doesn't
matter because it made me who I am.
Speaker 2: That's right. You took what you took, what the aspect
you liked of it the best, and you're applying it now,
you know exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't ever look bad on it or look back
on it bad. Yeah, you know, right, but that's great, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, five five man, fricking ay, dude, I know I
appreciate you. This is good. We're gonna do this more
if you're good with it. Yeah, I mean I'll show
up here. We should definitely do that when we go to.
Speaker 1: The bike Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 2: Everything's here American Bike Fest Podcast. That's what we're doing.
I like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just got to bring You're gonna have bikes in.
Speaker 2: Here, right, No, they're going to be inside. This shall
be empty the whole time.
Speaker 1: No, when you're bringing it. Yes, so you just got
to be able to bring the seats and stuff.
Speaker 2: Ish, we could do this on We could do this
on little It's just you need somewhere for the microphones.
You're right, and we got We could get different kinds
too if we wanted to. Yeah, we could do it
up on stage. That's what we're gonna do. And we'll
do it indoors.
Speaker 1: You actually could yet, we'll do it.
Speaker 2: And they have the smaller bar where they have the bands.
I'm gonna talk to these guys. Let's do that. Why
wouldn't we do that? Well, we could do.
Speaker 1: An outdoors good. This is kind of more Yeah, it
looks cool. Yeah, this is kind of more of in
the shop, you.
Speaker 2: Know, pops huh wow, Yeah, my shop's busy.
Speaker 1: These lights are phenomenal. These are and they didn't dim
one bit. Yeah, the LEDs draw so little.
Speaker 2: I know it does break. It's nice and breaking here.
Speaker 1: They haven't. They haven't changed one bit. Yeah, so does
they see un as I was telling you about, they're
that exact diameter. You take that out, they literally slide
in and you got a wire, put a thermostat on
the wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this would be nothing in the
cool right.
Speaker 1: One AC unit for an RV done.
Speaker 2: Dang man, we're going camping. I could see camping in here,
especially when it's this new, so you can walk around
barefoot in here because you my camper, My camp is nice. Yeah,
really really nice. Well, you guys camp all the time.
We do.
Speaker 1: We're actually going to Bethel to see Blink one E two.
Oh really, Bethel's got a campground, so I'm like, what's
the worst part about a concert is driving?
Speaker 2: That's right, you can fall camping there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna park there at Shawny's coming real yeah, a
bunch of people. So we're gonna park there at like
two o'clock, dail gating. We're gonna hang out at the camper.
Speaker 2: Drink, have a bathroom whatever, go to.
Speaker 1: The concert, and when you're done, you can stumble back
to the campground if you want.
Speaker 2: We're gonna worry. It's like, that's such a good idea, man,
think about it, because then you got to come home
two hours or an hour and a half.
Speaker 1: That's twelve at night after through the woods with the deer, right,
it's crazy. Now we're going to actually we're going to
Rhode Island Wednesday night.
Speaker 2: We're leaving.
Speaker 1: I'm taking It's just me, Meliss, Vincent, Chase, and Aiden,
who are all good friends.
Speaker 2: Nice boy fun. So where do you go out there?
Speaker 1: Well, I seasonal camped up in Rhode Island for two years.
Speaker 2: Really there, what's that mean? Season?
Speaker 1: You just leave it up there for the whole whole season? Okay,
And we did it from nineteen nineteen and twenty. We
did it through COVID, which was the best thing in
the world for us. For you, you got out because
nobody was able to do anything. I had two jet skis.
It's on a lake, and every weekend I had that
conversion van. Load your family up, go go to Rhode Island.
Speaker 2: Remember that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god, it was I'm telling you, Paul,
it was the best two years of my life. My
kids were still young enough where they wanted to go
every weekend.
Speaker 2: That's great, man, because that was like some of the
people's worst year.
Speaker 1: David Lisa has been.
Speaker 2: Up there for oh forever, right, yeah, fifteen, you'd see.
Speaker 1: That and they have though. Oh, we camped right next
to each other. We would come up with when we
were working all week because I worked with Lisa. We'd
come up with a menu and we would cook. They
got an outdoor kitchen, concrete bar. I mean, they got everything.
Speaker 2: And when you could just use we have twenty people there.
Speaker 1: On a weekend and just cook lopster and all fresh
lops and we go to the pier and get it.
Speaker 2: It was just nice. Man. Oh I'm telling you, Paul,
we main oh Rhode Island. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when COVID was when nobody was on the roads.
It's two hours forty five minutes on the dot every
time you had traffic, obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's what it takes to get from here. Dude.
Speaker 1: We'd leave five five thirty on Friday. Everything's up there.
You go up there, you turn on the water, turn
on the hot water here and you're done.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had had a twenty you know tent thing. I
had a gem car in there. We had our jet
skis I had, we did, I had my gold wing
up there.
Speaker 2: I had stop doing it or well you know what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of wish I didn't, But Vanessa was
going into college and we're gonna be able to spend
a lot of weekends up there. So I was like,
is it worth it spending the money to do it,
and I kind of wish I did because we had
the best site in the place and it's you know.
Speaker 2: You had a good location on the on the grounds.
Speaker 1: We were, we were perfect, and Lisa and Dave were
right next to us. And now it's gone. Yeah, and
I can't get it back.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because someone stepped in there, and I.
Speaker 1: Wish I would have kept it. But I'll tell you what, PAULI,
it was some of the best two years I ever
had one.
Speaker 2: So you love the r V life, huh? I do? Yeah,
it's the way to go.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm bringing it back for Labor Day.
We're going I'm camping or parking it back at uh
Winning Hills.
Speaker 2: Okay, because Melissa's what do you like about it? I
mean obviously like you had that and you would show
up and you had you know what I.
Speaker 1: Love about Winding Hills. It's a place you can go
to and you don't have to do anything like a
lot of places you go camping.
Speaker 2: You want to go out and doing. What do you
do when you get there?
Speaker 1: Where Winning Hill?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got my flat top, my thirty six inch flat Okay,
So you're I got a big ten by twenty ten,
and like, I'm we'll invite Shawnee Jill.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, just everybody, Yeah, everybody, because everyone lives right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody lives right here, not far there. We cook
a massive meal and everybody.
Speaker 2: How fun is that? So much fire going?
Speaker 1: I'm a fire going. We have all the tatiki lights
up or whatever they're called.
Speaker 2: You know, man, that sounds like fun. It is. My
wife's been on me a little bit to get every
time we give buy a motor home, She's like, let's
get that's what I really want. Yeah, motor home.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I almost bought one this year. And then
I'm like, I don't know. I still got my camper.
I gotta sell that. And now we're building a house,
you know, So I'm like, I don't know, maybe I'll
just keep the camper for now.
Speaker 2: It's nice. I think I think it's probably a step
up from you know, you think about it, man.
Speaker 1: Because you just get in it and you go. When
you're driving, like Lisa and Dave they got a freaking
coach like sick it's said, and I go, well the
road with them sometimes, like we'll go down We went
down to Deston and it's just it's great because you
know I'm driving. She's got a charcouterie boarding.
Speaker 2: Stuffy king on the road.
Speaker 1: It's just it's amazing.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I got a spot in the
back of my shop where when I'm not using the RV,
I'll park it back there. I got to plug into
the wall. I got water if I'm working late every
day in the V if I want, everything's on.
Speaker 2: Ready that's nice. So it's so ready.
Speaker 1: Guys out, Yeah nice, Yeah, so it is fine. I
love it. Yeah, I'll never.
Speaker 2: Stop doing Yeah, man, I think I got to get
into it because it sounds like fun.
Speaker 1: And then you know, one day when I retire, I
just I want to travel a lot. So yeah, yeah,
I love it. So cool, man, that's great. We can
sit here and talk all night.
Speaker 2: I know we can wrap it up. Well. We just
bought a house that I tell you. We bought a
house in Jersey. You said you were not at the
beach house, but we we just bought a house on
some acreage and where two and a half acre is
really nice. Man. We're gonna be and Rachel are going
to renovate the whole house it's it's it's from two
thousand and like three been updated it's nope, never been
updated with real good bones. And it's like a modern
Victorian looking house. So we're gonna like make it look
like an old Victorian, you know. And it's in the
acreage is nice there. It's got a little pond like
all cedar trees. I'm telling you, dude, it is really nice.
And we're we own the whole end of the culdest
Ax so it's like it's gotten a nice, like stately
approach to it. It's good. And Rachel has such a
vision for this thing.
Speaker 1: She's that's how.
Speaker 2: She's more excited than I am, you know. So that's great.
It's good.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for It's great because we're gonna start building too.
We're doing like a modern farmhouse. Oh nice, and how
big I don't know yet. We're we're still kind of
modifying the plans a little bit, but it's probably gonna
be like maybe three thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. And you just got to lay it
out the way you want it. And that's the key
because it is you don't want to be in there,
dude afterwards and go why do we do Why do
we do it this way? Whatever?
Speaker 1: I know? But like I said, I got eight point
eight acres and the fact that Ava wants.
Speaker 2: To live there, that's good acres, man, that's nice.
Speaker 1: And it's away from the road and I can't see
a house from where I'm.
Speaker 2: So you got like nice privacy. Yeah, and it's yeah,
it's gonna that's nice, dude. You can set it up
any way you want the house, just whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Clayton is literally I'm on the same private road as Clayton.
Speaker 2: Oh is it back over there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Really, And he's got his He's got like fifty
acres really, and he's got his house. And you know,
first of all, you know, he's my best friend.
Speaker 2: And right, right, which makes it nice. Now you got
good neighbors.
Speaker 1: Vincent is best friends with his kids, you know what
I mean. It's good. But I can't see his house
for mine, right, which is even bad? It is?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, right, that's great. Yeah, So I'm we're excited. Good, good. Yeah,
we'll have to follow up on that. Man, you have
any timeline.
Speaker 1: Now, Like I said, I bought the property two years ago.
I wanted to pay the property off, so I just
finished paying it off, and now we're kind of just like,
all right, let's get an engineer, let's figure out what
the house is going to be. I'm going to go
in there and start clearing some stuff and then start
going you know. So I'm thinking, you know, by spring,
I mean by fall. I want to be in there,
have the property cleaned up the.
Speaker 2: Way I want right. Right, it's all wooded.
Speaker 1: It's wooded, but it's not thick woods.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You could drive a car through there if you had to, right,
But there's a lot of falling stuff.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: You told you have to clean the property. Yeah, yeah,
I got to go in there and use my brother's
good stare and clean it all up and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited.
Speaker 1: And it's literally a quarter mile from where I live
right now.
Speaker 2: It's perfect. It's exactly where you'd want to be right
now in life pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know me too. I feel the same way. It's
a good thing because not everyone gets there. I know
some people are not they're not like happy with things,
you know.
Speaker 1: The only downfall to that. At my age, I don't
want to pick up a mortgage now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, man, do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: But right, and my pretty houses have you built?
Speaker 1: I know? But in my brain, I don't like own
I own everything and I understand that, and I'm like
my my brain though, I'm like alls, I keep thinking,
is how am I going to pay this house off
in like five years?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I'll be honest with you. In the house
we just bought, you know, we sold this house which
we've had for a while. It's a nice house, and
we just, you know, we were able to get this one.
We just bought with no debt. And I gotta tell you, man,
And this was my wife pushing me because I'm like,
I don't know. I just I would do whatever, you know,
I would get a bigger mortgage and have like another
rental house or something like that. But she she knows,
she like and she loves it. She's got the vision
for it. But you know what, now, dude, Now we
just pay taxes, I know, and hopefully not even forever.
Speaker 1: If you're going to retire anywhere in the Northeast, you
have to own everything.
Speaker 2: You have to own it.
Speaker 1: You have to own it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, or just oh my gosh, well just
think about how much you paid, dude. Know I mean
so little principle. It's ridiculous. It's actually sad, which almost
shouldn't even be that way. But it's crazy, man, because
interest is a killer, a killer.
Speaker 1: Calculate with your payments. If you pay out your thirty
year mortgage, how much you paid for that house, you
paid triple triple?
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 1: I know you got to to have it free and clear?
Speaker 2: Yeah, am I talking? Am I talking? You have to
building a house or.
Speaker 1: No? I know?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I love that. I love that, well,
you do because two years of since you bought it,
you paid it off first. You're taking the steps. It's
smart man, because you know, you want to be in
a good position eventually with where you're at across the board,
right you're self employed here now that you got to
start rolling out a game plan for yourself, you know,
because no one's going to do it for you because
you don't work for anybody. You know, you're not like retiring.
You gotta line that stuff up your And I think
there's a lot of what people don't understand when they
see people run businesses. They just count their money. Oh
you going this business? People who work for other people,
into general sense, they do not have a clue now
because they can't. They don't have the experience, you know.
They just think everyone else has lots of money that
has their own business. But it's a lot.
Speaker 1: When they see somebody pay you, you know, fifteen hundred
dollars to work on their card, they think.
Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, like, yeah, you're not paying for parts
or overhead or overhead and all, like you know what
it costs to keep this freaking place right, You're right, man,
I appreciate it, yes for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course you got to, especially when you're self employed.
Yeah you get a big oh yeah learning about that.
Speaker 2: But it's the best it is. It's total freedom. Yeah,
you do. You want to leave on Friday because you
want to go somewhere for a long weekend, you leave
on Friday morning, you know what I mean. So you
make the rules, but you got you could do that,
you or you got to be ahead of it, you know. Hey, guys, listen,
I'm not going to be here tomorrow, I know. And
you gotta lay it all out. Yeah, we got a problem, call.
Speaker 1: Me, Yeah, but what comes to that? I'm here five
forty five every morning, yeah, because I have to get
ready for everything. Yeah, And I'm usually never home by
six o'clock.
Speaker 2: You know. It's great, you know, but listen if that's why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't work weekends ever.
Speaker 2: I know. I love that. I love that. Well, you
know you're you're making priority for family because otherwise when
are you going to see everyone?
Speaker 1: Listen when when COVID hit? I got COVID pretty bad. Yeah,
I remember that, and since then I never worked a
weekend again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, life is sure, yep. I'm like, I'm
going you were cooked.
Speaker 1: And I do come here a lot on weekends, but
on my own, right, yeah, not to do stuff I
want to work.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, right, I just I won't do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but that's stuff you learn as you get older.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It's wisdom, Yeah it is. But you're
still working a lot, dude, But you're fifty two, I know,
but that's not old. I mean, it's old.
Speaker 1: Happened If I didn't, though, well, probably wouldn't be nearly
as healthy as I am.
Speaker 2: No, probably not, no, no, because you're on your feet
all day I know, yeah, not sitting at a desk.
I don't know there's anything wrong with.
Speaker 1: I don't do anything like that, but I work hard
all yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you're on your feet walking all day, pacing
all over the place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and doing hard manual labor. So and I don't
have a problem with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, you like it. Yeah, Yeah, it's good.
He's probably keeping you young, honestly.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 2: You know. I know.
Speaker 1: Shit, until my father went in the hospital, he used
to work every day at the golf course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and every day.
Speaker 1: That's what kept him.
Speaker 2: So yea good Hey guy, that guy worked.
Speaker 1: Boy, I know he did.
Speaker 2: He was a beast, he was. He was a work machine.
He worked and then he went to work.
Speaker 1: I know, right, he was.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: He had a work ethic like ridiculous. And it's great.
And that's what I trying and stole my kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. I love it, man, it's good. I
got a ten year old. I'm working on some things,
you know, like minecraft's kind of a big deal these days.
But uh, he's such a good kid, and I know
I'll steer him. I'll keep steering him in the right direction.
But he's not driving or anything yet, I know. You know,
it's good.
Speaker 1: It's the gaming. Yeah, oh my son, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: But you know, I used to think like I still
have issue with it because we're from even though we
have video games, it wasn't it wasn't your life, and
it was your life and now it is kids. So
but I also see how he is with his peers
and they're all the same way. Man, They're all playing
the same games together, and it's like this is like
a cultural shift on it. I worry about the whole
blue screen and the brain scramble because at certain ages
you can see, Man, they play for too long and
they're like glazed over and they need more, you know,
like us with our phones. We're kind of like big kids,
you know.
Speaker 1: So and that's part of the reason why I have
Vince here too, because I got to get him ways
from that stuff for a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: He has to see what goes on, and it's.
Speaker 2: Good for because he's got to figure it out. He
does with his hands, with his hands and not on
the remote, but like wrenching.
Speaker 1: I know, and I want to be able to do
things too. That when AI gets really bad, they're going
to take a lot of the jobs at probably right,
not that we're doing, no, but they're going to be
taken on the ones that they're gonna yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: This will be the last kind of thing to go,
I know, because to figure all that out, the troubleshooting
part and the mechanical you know, like the brain to hand.
Of course, someday they'll get there. But you're right, it's
not coming here first.
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's going to come in prior to the creative world
and stuff. To be honest with you, Oh right, think
about it.
Speaker 1: All these video game coders and all these you know,
electrical engineers and stuff like that, they're gonna, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna take over that stuff, but they get replaced in
a second. I know.
Speaker 1: Scary because I don't live in that world, I.
Speaker 2: Know, you know. Yeah, so to understand it's a little scary,
it is. And then you think about the dark side
of it. And I'm not I don't get way into it,
but if you do think about it, how think about
Look remember the eighties, remember like how we grew up.
Think about where we are right now with technology we
are it is the Jetsons. We're in a different we're
in a different world altogether. And technology is screaming and
it's coming. It's almost like it's quadrupling every like two
days now you know, it's like toast it is. Man.
You hear about this AI and like how they how
they start with this chess match and now they're like
they're like in the they're in the stratosphere of like
strategies that would be like like humans can't compete almost immediately.
You can't compete with these computers, you know, and they're adaptive.
So they take everything you know and everything the guy
you're you're like, who is your competitor knows and they
become one thing I know, you know it is.
Speaker 1: And even like the college kids, they're not even writing
their own ship anymore.
Speaker 2: No, they're just chat gp what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't even use those wick in school. Okay, So
them now they're getting really strict on that. They want
to start scamming.
Speaker 2: Right because everyone sounds so eloquent and well spoken and.
Speaker 1: Like you could put in there, you know, write me
this paper and make it sound like it's not AI.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, make it sound like me, yes, like how
I know, and it'll do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then what are the kids learning.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, man, nothing, they're learning how to
how to make that We're going to make them an
that's true. It's true. It's true. Man, we're putting ourselves
out of a damn job here, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you probably do.
Speaker 2: I do every day. Yeah, yeah, And I mean it's smart.
It's good. It's smart stuff too, you know, like if
you write something there's yeah, you're like, how.
Speaker 1: Else would I articulate this?
Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, that that sounds a little better.
Speaker 1: I know, But I worry about the downside, I know.
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, because you're not really exercising your own gifts.
You're using like the computers as a gift. So everyone's
a savant in especially if you're.
Speaker 1: Using it to do your real work that makes you learn,
you know what I mean. If you're just using it
as an assistant, Oh it's great, Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're right if it's a crutch, right, and
you're supposed to be learning, so like they're.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be learning, like like the college kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like a bit of a thief man
almost is stealing the experience from people and they don't
even know it because it's the easiest possible way.
Speaker 1: They get their degree.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how.
Speaker 2: They don't even know how. They just asked chat GP
how they got their degree. It's true, man, it's crazy. Listen.
Speaker 1: I don't live in that world. I know enough about it,
but it's just it's not in my world, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But all right, speaking of your world, Vin, I
appreciate you having me out here. Man, this was great.
We're going to do this again. I like this idea
about doing it at the show, at this at the
Spike event. Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be really good.
So that'll be fun. Yeah, another high five. Man. We'll
wrap it up. And I really want to hear that
thing that Michael was talking about earlier with me and
you and are talking to each other thing.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see that. I would love to see that.
There's nothing better than seeing yourself get made fun. I
love it.
Speaker 2: All right then, So thanks again man. I appreciate you
coming on, and I can't wait till the next time
because I had a tremendous amount of fun. I really
did my pleasure.