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Speaker 3: Was your Jesus moment right there, Jacob?
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Speaker 4: Of the fireworks that just went off on me, but
Speaker 4: neither here nor there.
Speaker 1: Okay, that is not what we're here to talk about.
Speaker 1: We're here to talk about our guest.
Speaker 4: And uh, bro, I cannot tell you how excited I
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Speaker 5: Honestly fantastic. I'll step in. Hey, guys, it's right here.
Speaker 5: I'm a I'm the host of a you know, Kodagas
Speaker 5: Codex of Curiosities, which is a great alliteration and it
Speaker 5: kind of matches in with Cult of Conspiracy as well.
Speaker 5: Look at that, you know, seeing all those together be
Speaker 5: a motful cult of conspiracy Codegas Codex of Curiosities. There
Speaker 5: we go.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm surprised you.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised you pulled that off on the first track.
Speaker 5: I am too to I I guess that's it for
Speaker 5: my luck for the rest of the night.
Speaker 2: Well, let's hear a little bit about you, like what, uh,
Speaker 2: what kind of topics do you generally like to cover.
Speaker 2: I saw that you kind of get into conspiracies, maybe
Speaker 2: some paranormal kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Uh, what are a couple of examples of things that
Speaker 3: you've gone over.
Speaker 5: It's it's a little bit of everything, kind of like, yeah, conspiracies,
Speaker 5: ancient mysteries, histories that rhymed as well, fantastic.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: We got Atlantis, we got Nephelim, we got UFOs, abductions. Uh,
Speaker 5: sleep paralysis a just just a wide swath of everything,
Speaker 5: you know, glitches in the matrix. It's whatever is strange
Speaker 5: and bizarre. Yeah, I'm doing it.
Speaker 3: Have you ever had a sleep paralysis before? Personally?
Speaker 5: Part of me?
Speaker 3: Sorry, have you ever had have you ever gone through
Speaker 3: sleep paralysis? Personally?
Speaker 5: Great question? So I you know, I've been talking with
Speaker 5: Vicky joy Anderson about this and uh, you know there
Speaker 5: I had probably my most you know, life changing event
Speaker 5: would have been sleep paralysis. And that was a great,
Speaker 5: great way to start start this off. You know, you're
Speaker 5: like pick this one and that is like the ultimate
Speaker 5: event that I've had in my life.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: With that being said, let me ask you now you
Speaker 4: brought up Nephelim, and you have now brought up sleep paralysis.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be that asshole and throw.
Speaker 4: Out the word demon after that, right, sleep paralysis demon?
Speaker 1: Real quick? What is your uh?
Speaker 4: If you were to classify a religious affiliation, what would
Speaker 4: you call it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Because as we get into these esoteric things, lines get
Speaker 4: drawn very quickly.
Speaker 1: So where are you at on the grand scheme of shit?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not attending no church. But in fact, you know,
Speaker 5: I grew up Catholic, like hardcore Catholic. Did you get confirmed?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Oh you're a confirmed Catholic. I
Speaker 5: went through everything like like I was actually participating in
Speaker 5: the church. I was nothing bad happened like that with
Speaker 5: with the priest, but I was no I was an
Speaker 5: aultar boy though I was an ultar boy. So I
Speaker 5: was in with uh, with the church. And and then
Speaker 5: I think it kind of goes with a lot of
Speaker 5: people where you have a fault not necessarily falling up,
Speaker 5: but you start asking these well not a lot of people,
Speaker 5: but you start asking these questions and there's no answers.
Speaker 5: They don't a lot of people don't want to get
Speaker 5: into that because they just want to stay in the
Speaker 5: light and love and oh praise Jesus. And I hate
Speaker 5: nothing wrong with that, but that wasn't me. I'm like,
Speaker 5: I want to know more, and so I started asking questions.
Speaker 5: I started reading books, and by doing that, though, I
Speaker 5: moved away from organized religion and then ended up going
Speaker 5: into more of a spirituality New Age. And then it
Speaker 5: came full circle, you know, with going in the New Age,
Speaker 5: I realized that it's almost the same thing. It's all
Speaker 5: this light and love and we're not going to look
Speaker 5: at the darkness or anything like that, where I'm like,
Speaker 5: I want to see what's in the darkness. I want
Speaker 5: to see what I'm up against, Like, what the hell
Speaker 5: is this shit?
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: So you coming from a Catholic background, which is from
Speaker 4: the outside looking in. For the record, I was raised
Speaker 4: Catholic until I was about fourteen years old. I'm from
Speaker 4: Louisiana and most people here are just generally raised Catholic, right,
Speaker 4: So I'm with you. I went to Catechism the whole nine.
Speaker 4: You going in it in the way that you have
Speaker 4: now you have turned from your Catholicism, But would you
Speaker 4: consider yourself.
Speaker 1: A follower of the ways of Christ?
Speaker 4: Do you believe more that Christ was a divine master
Speaker 4: and that there's multiple ways to achieve that enlightenment.
Speaker 1: Where are you at grand scheme of shit currently?
Speaker 5: So currently, I would say I'm coming back to the
Speaker 5: Christian side of things.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: You know, I do believe, you know, like Jesus was
Speaker 5: the son of God, he was this an ascended master
Speaker 5: of sorts, you know, and I do believe that we
Speaker 5: can't all reach that level, not necessarily his level, but
Speaker 5: he did say, you know, you will be able to
Speaker 5: do what I do, you know, and everybody more yes,
Speaker 5: and everybody's like, oh my god. So like you know,
Speaker 5: I've I've gone down a lot of paths. I've gone,
Speaker 5: I've tried a lot of different things, you know, and
Speaker 5: it's like, so I've done you know, I'm a raiki master.
Speaker 5: And people are like, oh, that's the devil's work. I'm like,
Speaker 5: that's laying on of hands like this.
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So for all of our Christian listeners, he.
Speaker 3: Could you say okay one more time?
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, What's I was just curious if you
Speaker 2: could say okay one more time, just to make sure
Speaker 2: that we were okay, fucking okay, all right, yeah, I
Speaker 2: just want to make sure. So you at the reiki
Speaker 2: and with the laying of holy hands, as the Bible
Speaker 2: does tell us to do. Do you see there to
Speaker 2: be a line in the sand drawn between the two?
Speaker 4: Do you see this as a'll alley oop if you will,
Speaker 4: of one versus the other, or one attributing to the other.
Speaker 1: Where are you at with reiki?
Speaker 4: Because I'm gonna be honest, Depending on the source that
Speaker 4: you're talking to, it can sound like, okay, maybe there's
Speaker 4: something to it, or okay, you're clearly out of your mind,
Speaker 4: like there's a hard line there.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's just semantics, you know. I think
Speaker 5: it's the same thing you know, like then, and perhaps
Speaker 5: you know you're getting taught from it's saying that it's
Speaker 5: coming from a Japanese descendant, you know, And but but reality,
Speaker 5: where did he learn it from? Why? Why have we
Speaker 5: turned away from listening to profits? Why have we gone
Speaker 5: to this this being of like you know, in the
Speaker 5: Old Testament, you know, even in the New Testament, we
Speaker 5: had profits and people listen to them. But now you
Speaker 5: preach anything where you learn something, it's a devil's work.
Speaker 5: It's a devil's work. And hey, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 5: I'm sure there's a lot of that out there, but
Speaker 5: why can't there be any good note there? You know,
Speaker 5: like this is this is something that we're doing that
Speaker 5: is good. You know, we're healing things. And I actually
Speaker 5: had an instant like it's not that I'm really a
Speaker 5: practitioner of it. I learned it. I took got my master's.
Speaker 5: You know, I taught a couple of people, but I
Speaker 5: never pursued it much further than that. And but I
Speaker 5: did have one incident where my my friend's dog was
Speaker 5: going to had some major health issues and who's gonna
Speaker 5: be put down? And I decided to I'm like, my
Speaker 5: friend doesn't believe in any of this. He's like, that's
Speaker 5: all hokey, you know, But I'm like, hey, I'm just
Speaker 5: going to give the dog reiki on my own time.
Speaker 5: And you know, my friend's outside drinking and I'm inside
Speaker 5: with his son with the dog, and his son asked like, hey,
Speaker 5: what do you do it? And I'm like, well, I'm
Speaker 5: just doing some and I kind of say it, you know,
Speaker 5: laying on his hands. You know, I'm doing some reiki
Speaker 5: kind of stuff. He's like, oh, okay, well the dog
Speaker 5: made this miraculous recovery. And I'm talking like within a day.
Speaker 5: And my friend called me and he's like, and he
Speaker 5: didn't know I did this, And I never told him
Speaker 5: to the staff, never told him. But he's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I don't know what's going with my dog. He's so
Speaker 5: much better. I don't have to worry about doing anything.
Speaker 5: And that was it.
Speaker 3: That's a beautiful thing, man.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think that there is something really
Speaker 2: interesting about reiki. I think that some people can definitely
Speaker 2: make it a little bit more than what it is.
Speaker 2: Like they'll say that we're calling on the archangel Metatron
Speaker 2: and you know, using some kind of weird crystal along
Speaker 2: with it. Not that there's anything wrong with it, like
Speaker 2: you said, I mean, it's I think that it's all
Speaker 2: the same thing, just in different flavors kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And but no, I find what.
Speaker 2: You're talking about pretty interesting as far as you know,
Speaker 2: how you kind of came back to Christianity after all
Speaker 2: the stuff that you've learned, and you know, you mentioned
Speaker 2: something about how Jesus might be an ascended master of sorts. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know about that now, all right, So just
Speaker 2: to lay it out, Jacob is the resident Christian. I'm
Speaker 2: the residant non Christian. I don't have anything against people
Speaker 2: who practice that. It is, you know, your your right
Speaker 2: to kind of seek your own truth and kind of
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But you know, you said that
Speaker 2: he was kind of like a ascended master. But I mean,
Speaker 2: wouldn't God be the ultimate ascended master? Though at that point, well.
Speaker 5: Couldn't we all be the same in in in the
Speaker 5: same theory, Like in my belief we are all part
Speaker 5: of God. We're all these pieces of God. Throw it
Speaker 5: out there, okay. So let's say you just have this
Speaker 5: huge mirror and you break it. It shatters, okay, and
Speaker 5: it wants to regain its form. But to do that
Speaker 5: it has to know everything it knew before. So it
Speaker 5: forgot what it was and it sends it all out,
Speaker 5: and every little piece is trying to experience everything so
Speaker 5: we know how it is so we can become one
Speaker 5: in whole again. Now that now, these ascent and I
Speaker 5: don't like us in that phrase in all honestly, I
Speaker 5: sended masters. I think that's like tied in with that
Speaker 5: new age. And hey, I was part of it. Yes, yes,
Speaker 5: I agree, And I was part of the New Age
Speaker 5: group and everything, and I think it's a good step.
Speaker 5: But a lot of people get stuck in this quagmire
Speaker 5: of New Age and they just they think it's it's
Speaker 5: everything and and and I've left people behind. And I'm
Speaker 5: not saying that. I'm like, oh, I'm not gonna be
Speaker 5: your friendnymore. No, I still am. But they're just they're
Speaker 5: all stuck in this, in this thing. But back to that,
Speaker 5: I think we're all all one being experiencing everything, trying
Speaker 5: to get all these experiences in and so you in
Speaker 5: many different lifetimes, you're going to experience everything. I don't
Speaker 5: believe we're living one lifetime and that's it. We go
Speaker 5: up to heaven, we're done. I think we need to
Speaker 5: keep experiencing things over and over and over again until
Speaker 5: we get everything right and we experiencing everything. So not
Speaker 5: only are we the sinner, we're the saint as well.
Speaker 4: Can ask you why why you believe that? And this
Speaker 4: is not me trying to say you're wrong. I'm no
Speaker 4: dog in this fight as far as that vanish point
Speaker 4: is concerned. But I've heard many people say, from many
Speaker 4: different vanished points some Christians some not to say that
Speaker 4: we are God living all the lives all at once,
Speaker 4: because it's only after we live every existence on earth
Speaker 4: that we can achieve the intellect, the knowledge, the perspective
Speaker 4: to be God in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: Fine. Cool.
Speaker 4: What has led you to believe that yourself, especially as
Speaker 4: you now say that you are more on the Christian
Speaker 4: side of things? Why do you also?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Unanimously or I will say unanimously you believe both to
Speaker 4: be true at the same time.
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 5: Great? Uh, that's a great question. And and I would
Speaker 5: say it's from one of the books that actually got
Speaker 5: me away from you know, the Catholic religion, which was
Speaker 5: Conversations with God. H Reading that those series Neil Donald
Speaker 5: Walsh was kind of an eye opener as well, and
Speaker 5: it really was enlightening for me. And and I hate
Speaker 5: that word too, enlightening that that's such.
Speaker 4: A real for any cult member that may not know
Speaker 4: those books or what they are about. Give a quick
Speaker 4: spark notes if you will, of what those books are
Speaker 4: and what that's about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's it's a very interesting. It's kind of
Speaker 5: like asking a question and getting a response and writing
Speaker 5: it all down now can this by Can this guy
Speaker 5: be you know, misdirected? Could he be a schitzo? Could
Speaker 5: he be Yeah, it could be anything. But again, like
Speaker 5: I said, we in the past we had profits. And
Speaker 5: now if someone no one claims to be a prophet,
Speaker 5: now if they do a lot of times they're well,
Speaker 5: we won't go there.
Speaker 1: But I would say they have some that claim to be.
Speaker 4: But I think we can pretty quickly determine where's their
Speaker 4: money going. And it's like, oh, there it is. There
Speaker 4: is their motive.
Speaker 5: It's crazy exactly exactly. Money is usually always always involved.
Speaker 5: And so with this though, I just believe that if
Speaker 5: you let's take it back to the one into the whole,
Speaker 5: if you know absolutely everything, you've experienced absolutely everything, maybe
Speaker 5: perhaps everything is just kind of a bore and you
Speaker 5: don't like even though even though you know everything, have
Speaker 5: you really truly experienced everything to know everything? Maybe not?
Speaker 5: Maybe you got to maybe you want to do it
Speaker 5: over again. Maybe it's just like, hey, I played that
Speaker 5: game and I beat it, and now what, well, let's
Speaker 5: play it again, you know, let's let's let's start aren't
Speaker 5: fresh and try it again. Maybe I can, maybe I
Speaker 5: can find something new. Maybe I can lock a new achievement.
Speaker 5: Maybe I could, you know, discover something else. That is
Speaker 5: where I'm going with this. It's you know, it's and again,
Speaker 5: we're all given. The bottom line is we're all given
Speaker 5: the free free will. You know, we are able to
Speaker 5: make those choices of what we want to do and
Speaker 5: where we want to go. And that's the thing, you know,
Speaker 5: and a lot of people claim that, you know, it's like, well,
Speaker 5: let's let's go back to Jesus here where it's kind
Speaker 5: of like, oh, Jesus, could you know, why did Jesus
Speaker 5: heal one leper and not remove all the disease? And
Speaker 5: this kind of goes back to the theory of the
Speaker 5: prison planet where people believe Jesus is actually Satan, the
Speaker 5: devil Lucifer all in one enki. But they're like, why
Speaker 5: why did he heal one and not remove all the things?
Speaker 5: Because it's about our free will. You know, if I
Speaker 5: come forward and say I want to be healed by you,
Speaker 5: then I can be healed, but I truly have to
Speaker 5: want it.
Speaker 1: You have to choose it.
Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, So you are of the belief that free
Speaker 4: will is at.
Speaker 5: Play, yes, always?
Speaker 4: Do you believe in destiny do you believe in stars
Speaker 4: aligning and things that are beyond our control just happening
Speaker 4: at the same time, Because you're gonna be honest, right,
Speaker 4: So I'm a Christian, Yeah, not a good representation of one.
Speaker 4: I've been very open about that since day one. Fine, fine,
Speaker 4: fuck the world.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 4: So that being said, right, I at least acknowledge that
Speaker 4: some things just be like that, Some things really are
Speaker 4: out of our control. When you like meet your person,
Speaker 4: or or if you're in the room when the birth
Speaker 4: of a child happens and you you feel the earth
Speaker 4: stop rotating, you feel that shift, right, and that's that's
Speaker 4: something that's unquantifiable but is real. There's no way of
Speaker 4: telling me that's not real life, you know what I mean? So,
Speaker 4: like free will, I believe it, But I also believe
Speaker 4: that destiny and fate and things that we can't control
Speaker 4: forced upon us are at work at the same time.
Speaker 4: I believe that it kind of has to be that
Speaker 4: way in order to have harmonic balance, in order to
Speaker 4: make existence work.
Speaker 1: But that's just me.
Speaker 4: You have said free will a few times, So where
Speaker 4: are you at As far as.
Speaker 5: I am one that there is destiny? Okay, destiny is
Speaker 5: going to take us to these crossroads now, into these
Speaker 5: chance meetings, into these events. But it's what we do
Speaker 5: at that point that we have that free will. So
Speaker 5: I can meet I can meet the woman of my dreams.
Speaker 5: But do I ask her out a date? Or do
Speaker 5: I walk away?
Speaker 1: Come on? Yes?
Speaker 2: Now, So I would love to hear about your your
Speaker 2: what is it called the where you're stuck in bed
Speaker 2: and you can't move sleep paralysis?
Speaker 3: So paralysis that always escapes me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, no problem, no problem. So okay, let's
Speaker 5: go to that. So this this is still while I'm
Speaker 5: I'm Catholic and everything I was about and the actual
Speaker 5: age escapes me because I never wrote it down. You know,
Speaker 5: I never made this Like now, I keep a journal
Speaker 5: shit that happens, but at that time I didn't. So
Speaker 5: I was I believe I was seventeen years old when
Speaker 5: this happened, seventeen or eighteen, and I had I was
Speaker 5: out with some friends, wasn't drinking or doing anything where
Speaker 5: we rented a video game consoles at that age where
Speaker 5: you can still rent video game consoles, and you know,
Speaker 5: one of our friends rented it. So we played video
Speaker 5: games all night because none of us owned.
Speaker 1: Them so back in the Blockbuster days.
Speaker 5: I remember it fondly, sir exactly had the like the
Speaker 5: plastic briefcases and you know, open them up and take
Speaker 5: out your your game. Yeah you're I think it was
Speaker 5: like a PlayStation. I'm not sure what it was, but yeah,
Speaker 5: so that that is what we did. And my friends
Speaker 5: drove me home and I remember I originally from Canada's
Speaker 5: and I came home and the not that it's a
Speaker 5: not that this could have any part in it, but
Speaker 5: it was something memorable was the northern lights were oute,
Speaker 5: like the Aurora borealis was out in full force. And
Speaker 5: I remember standing outside for like, you know, five ten
Speaker 5: minutes after my friends had left, just watching. I lived
Speaker 5: out on an acre. It's a small farm, and I
Speaker 5: was like, ah, this is this is awesome. But I
Speaker 5: have to work early in the morning, so I better
Speaker 5: get to bed because it's getting late. And I do
Speaker 5: as you normally do when you can't fall asleep, and
Speaker 5: so I laid in bed and I'm like watching the clock.
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, if I fall asleep, now I got
Speaker 5: seven hours and forty three minutes of sleep, you know.
Speaker 5: And then if I fall asleep, now I got seven minutes,
Speaker 5: I mean seven minutes, seven hours and fifteen minutes. So
Speaker 5: I was sitting there watching the clock and something, and
Speaker 5: my blinds are closed, so it's pretty dark, immem but
Speaker 5: something just It's not like someone said, hey, do this.
Speaker 5: It was just like this urge, like you need to
Speaker 5: look up, and so I kind of roll onto my
Speaker 5: back and I stare up and floating above me, about
Speaker 5: three and a half feet four feet above me is
Speaker 5: this blacker than black figure. And I can clearly see
Speaker 5: the head because like, don't get me wrong, it's dark
Speaker 5: in the room, but this is like black, and I
Speaker 5: can see the head, I can see the shoulders, I
Speaker 5: see the body and the torso and around the torso.
Speaker 5: Actually it faded off into like the smoky vapor, and
Speaker 5: the smoky was actually like a white, like Hollywood s
Speaker 5: type ghost vapor kind of thing. And I'm terrified staring
Speaker 5: at this thing. But that wasn't the most terrifying thing.
Speaker 5: The most terrifying thing was was the eyes. The eyes
Speaker 5: were glowing red. They were like an incandescent red. You
Speaker 5: know when other people talk about cryptids and they say, oh,
Speaker 5: the eyes were red. They it's not like they're shooting
Speaker 5: light beams out, but they're glowing red. This was the
Speaker 5: eyes of this shadow creature being thing that was floating
Speaker 5: above me. It was, and it was there for maybe
Speaker 5: I would say, maybe three to five seconds, I don't
Speaker 5: know how long, and I couldn't move. So this is
Speaker 5: where that possible sleep prolysis comes into effect, because some
Speaker 5: people are like, well, were you you were sleeping. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: I don't think I was sleeping, but I was at
Speaker 5: the point where I couldn't move. And was it that
Speaker 5: I was scared? You know, you got the the freeze
Speaker 5: flight or flight kind of things, you know, So it
Speaker 5: was I was I there was I at that point
Speaker 5: where I just couldn't move and I was terrified. And
Speaker 5: that's what I've gone to was I was just terrified
Speaker 5: I couldn't move, But it could have been some sort
Speaker 5: of sleep prolysis as well. And this thing disappeared after
Speaker 5: three to five seconds. And at that point then I
Speaker 5: just laid there in bed without moving I don't know
Speaker 5: for how long. The next thing I know is waking
Speaker 5: up in the morning.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
Speaker 2: I have looked into numerous amounts of this sleep paralysis,
Speaker 2: and some people have just absolutely horrific, nightmarish experiences. But
Speaker 2: then you hear other people who are kind of sick
Speaker 2: with it, and they're like they hope that they can
Speaker 2: get a little sleep paralysis. And I'm one of those people, like,
Speaker 2: I love a good nightmare. I love some good sleep
Speaker 2: paralysis because well, the reason is the reason is is
Speaker 2: because there was there's like this this study that these
Speaker 2: people were working on, and by sleep paralysis, they say
Speaker 2: that that's actually the best way to be able to
Speaker 2: basically jump up out of your body and meander around
Speaker 2: your house.
Speaker 3: Right, And so I was like, you know what, let
Speaker 3: me try that.
Speaker 2: And I said, you know what, the next time I
Speaker 2: get sleep paralysis. It doesn't happen often, maybe once a year, right,
Speaker 2: but I was like, I always kept it in the
Speaker 2: back of my mind if I ever get sleep you know,
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis, then I'm going to try and hopefully I
Speaker 2: can remember this. And one night I got sleep paralysis.
Speaker 2: I woke up in the middle of the night. I
Speaker 2: I'm not even one hundred percent sure it was sleep paralysis,
Speaker 2: but I played it on my brain as if it was.
Speaker 2: So I just acted like, you know, how as soon
Speaker 2: as you wake up, if you don't move your body
Speaker 2: kind of feels like that TV static a little bit
Speaker 2: like and it's like and that could emulate like the
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis kind of feeling. And so so what I
Speaker 2: did I it was like one night and I was
Speaker 2: laying in bed. I was laying in bed by myself,
Speaker 2: and every night before I go to bed, I shut
Speaker 2: my bedroom door.
Speaker 3: It's just a habit. I just always shut my bedroom door.
Speaker 2: Nobody was there with me at the time, outside of
Speaker 2: my dog and he always sleeps in bed with me.
Speaker 3: Whatever. So one night I get this sleep prolysis.
Speaker 2: I wake up, I don't move, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is the time I can finally try and like
Speaker 2: astra project Let me try and get up out of
Speaker 2: this body and see if this is actually a real thing.
Speaker 2: Because I tried ast projection through meditation and stuff like
Speaker 2: that before, but it always felt like it I wasn't
Speaker 2: doing it, you know, like it not to the extent
Speaker 2: that other people have talked about. And so this time
Speaker 2: I felt like I got this sleep prolyssis. I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, let me try it. And so dude, I
Speaker 2: get up out of my body and I go out
Speaker 2: of my bedroom door. At like I remember it. I
Speaker 2: remember it like like it was yesterday. I open up
Speaker 2: my bedroom door. I don't know with what. I just
Speaker 2: assumed that I had my body, but I never really
Speaker 2: even checked to see if I did kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And I went out into my living room and I'm
Speaker 2: looking out of my living room and I noticed that
Speaker 2: my TV is on in my living room. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I never sleep, like I never go to sleep with
Speaker 2: my TV on, Like I'm not one of those people.
Speaker 3: Like I was raised my dad. He would never have you.
Speaker 2: He would never let you have like more than one
Speaker 2: light on in a bedroom, let alone a TV and
Speaker 2: a light.
Speaker 3: So I always think to turn it off.
Speaker 2: So I go out there and I was like, how
Speaker 2: can I prove to myself that I'm actually ast projecting
Speaker 2: out of my body right now? That way, whenever I
Speaker 2: do wake up, I'll have some kind of proof. And
Speaker 2: my immediate proof was that, oh, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: just going to turn my TV off. And it was
Speaker 2: so stupid because like I got as soon as that happened,
Speaker 2: I knew that, like I didn't have very long before
Speaker 2: I had to go back to my body eventually, Like
Speaker 2: I knew that I was kind of like on a timer.
Speaker 2: I don't know where I got that knowing, but I
Speaker 2: just knew it. And so then I get back in
Speaker 2: my body, I go back to sleep, and I wake
Speaker 2: up the next morning.
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, that was really awesome.
Speaker 2: Did I actually like have sleep prowsses and as a
Speaker 2: project up out of my body? And I'm looking around,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what was that thing that I said that
Speaker 2: this was going to prove to me that I actually did?
Speaker 2: And I was like, the fucking living room TV was on.
Speaker 2: I never even leave it on. I don't even know
Speaker 2: if I did leave it on, that could have just
Speaker 2: been part of my dream kind of thing, right, And
Speaker 2: so I'm like, damn, there's like no proof. But I'm
Speaker 2: laying in my bed first thing in the morning and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking all this thoughts and then i look out
Speaker 2: at my front door, at my bedroom door, and it's open,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh shit, I think I actually did it,
Speaker 2: because I know for a fact I never sleep with
Speaker 2: my door open, and so I'm convinced that I did
Speaker 2: astro project And so yeah, I mean I think that
Speaker 2: there are instances where you can play with it. And
Speaker 2: also as far as astro projection goes, most people, if
Speaker 2: they wake up and they can't move their body, it's
Speaker 2: going to cause you to freak out. Like most people,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, I'm trapped.
Speaker 3: I can't do anything. There's nothing I can do.
Speaker 2: I'm just trapped inside of this consciousness and I can't
Speaker 2: live this body or anything.
Speaker 1: Right. That's all I was gonna say.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's why my knee jerk was to say that
Speaker 4: you're fucking crazy for hoping you get sleep paralysis, because
Speaker 4: from my limited perspective, it was the most terrifying thing
Speaker 4: I've ever experienced in my life. But like for somebody
Speaker 4: like you who does dream, so like I don't dream.
Speaker 4: I think I've dreamt twice in the last five years. Okay,
Speaker 4: I just don't. And they've done studies. I've gone, I'm
Speaker 4: a veteran. I went to the VA. They had a
Speaker 4: whole brain scan done. Like, yo, when I go to bed,
Speaker 4: I'm in a fucking coma. I might only get four
Speaker 4: hours to sleep a night, but that's a dead four hours,
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, it's a I've just kind of
Speaker 4: done that. But neither here nor there. I don't dream,
Speaker 4: So whenever I think of a sleep paralysis demon that
Speaker 4: sounds like a fate worse than death to me.
Speaker 1: But Jonathan is somebody who dreams consistently.
Speaker 4: He is somebody that delves into the realm of the
Speaker 4: states of mind, the states of the brain waves. He
Speaker 4: is a licensed hypnotherapist who does pass line progression.
Speaker 1: So for you, you would.
Speaker 4: Take that to be like an open opportunity, a portal
Speaker 4: if you will, to explore a new perspective. Meanwhile, I
Speaker 4: would see that as like fuck the world. So like maybe, well,
Speaker 4: and that's I'm just a bit biased in my perspective,
Speaker 4: my bad.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: And the thing is is that I'm kind of used
Speaker 2: to that realm, like that kind I don't want to
Speaker 2: call it a psychic realm, the ether whatever, wherever you
Speaker 2: are that your body isn't. I I'm used to that
Speaker 2: realm because I meditate quite often, and like you said,
Speaker 2: I do do the past life aggressions. I do dream
Speaker 2: and I try and you know, recall a lot of
Speaker 2: my dreams and stuff like that. I love playing in
Speaker 2: that realm and I think that that's ultimately where a
Speaker 2: lot of people should be doing a lot of their
Speaker 2: shadow work, a lot of shit that they got, uh
Speaker 2: need that they need worked out, and they just refuse
Speaker 2: to work on That is where you would figure it out.
Speaker 2: It's the same place you go whenever you're in the
Speaker 2: d MT realm. It's the same place as the mushroom room,
Speaker 2: except for it's your mind.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Okay, what the fuck is happening now? What was that
Speaker 1: you did?
Speaker 5: This thing?
Speaker 4: I did air quotes. I was gonna say shadow work.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask about that. My my camera decided
Speaker 4: that balloonsy to come out.
Speaker 1: So there once again, Patreon, y'all, what is happening here?
Speaker 5: Shadow work? You know what shadow work is?
Speaker 1: Right, That's why I'm asking.
Speaker 4: So, Like, I've heard that term be used, and I've
Speaker 4: heard different people assign different meanings to it. So when
Speaker 4: Jonathan says that, or when you say that, what exactly
Speaker 4: do we mean asking this in case we have a
Speaker 4: new listener who may or may not know things about
Speaker 4: stuff about fuck all?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Where let's just go there?
Speaker 5: Okay? So, so for me, shadow work means actually dealing
Speaker 5: with your shit instead of just trying to get everybody
Speaker 5: else to deal with your mental illness that you know
Speaker 5: it's your own. It's kind of acknowledging like I got issues,
Speaker 5: you know, like I got issues, and instead of saying
Speaker 5: I got issues, you guys all need to deal with
Speaker 5: my issues, which seems to be running rampant in the
Speaker 5: world today. Yeah, it kind of means like, nah, I
Speaker 5: got to deal with my stuff, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm a little bit of an asshole. Maybe I should
Speaker 5: I should work on that. You know, I'm a little
Speaker 5: bit of a of this or that, you know, and
Speaker 5: it's kind of like, yeah, I have issues, you know,
Speaker 5: not being not standing up, not manning up, and you know,
Speaker 5: I need to stand up from what I believe in.
Speaker 3: You're taking all your issues self groove.
Speaker 2: Well, you're taking all your issues pretty much back to
Speaker 2: the home office and you're dealing with it in house
Speaker 2: instead of lashing out on against somebody or taking it
Speaker 2: out on you know, a loved one or a friend
Speaker 2: or somebody you don't even know.
Speaker 3: Because most of the time, most of the time.
Speaker 2: That people do that where they you know, they they
Speaker 2: lash out at other people or whatever the case may be,
Speaker 2: it's usually because they got something else going on inside
Speaker 2: of them and it's just leaking out, exactly. And so
Speaker 2: the idea is is that you would do this what
Speaker 2: they what they call shadow work, basically just working on
Speaker 2: yourself and you're trying to get your You're trying to
Speaker 2: basically have a personal conversation with yourself and trying to
Speaker 2: figure out why it is you act this way or
Speaker 2: react this way, or you know, like like trying to
Speaker 2: figure out whatever your trigger points are so that doesn't
Speaker 2: happen again and shit like that.
Speaker 4: So self actuation and self growth and like becoming the
Speaker 4: better version of yourself.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, i'd say so, yeah, I fuck with it, okay.
Speaker 2: Right, And so I think that that is something that
Speaker 2: is obviously it's it's something that people should be doing.
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, at least on at least
Speaker 2: on a weekly basis, because this world as crazy as fuck,
Speaker 2: and we gotta you know, we gotta work on ourselves
Speaker 2: before we plan on fixing anything outside of us. So
Speaker 2: that's that's I don't know where we were going with that,
Speaker 2: but yeah. So so you're somebody that you had possibly
Speaker 2: one of these instances and it wasn't good. And the
Speaker 2: thing that I wanted to ask you or bring up
Speaker 2: an instant real quick. There was this woman who I
Speaker 2: saw and she documented it. She put it up on
Speaker 2: TikTok and stuff, and she was kind of going over it.
Speaker 2: She had one of those sleep proalysis kind of deals,
Speaker 2: and whenever she was laying in bed, she saw at
Speaker 2: the foot of her bed was this massive, fucking like
Speaker 2: shadow monster thing with huge claws and you know, crazy eyes,
Speaker 2: and it was just terrifying to look at. And it
Speaker 2: fell as if like that entity was feeding off of
Speaker 2: her fear a lot, like you could say, possibly demonic
Speaker 2: who knows right well. After doing a little bit of
Speaker 2: shadow work and doing a little meditation trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what the hell all this actually means, she found
Speaker 2: out that that was essentially that was just her, but
Speaker 2: like the one hundred percent bad parts of her. So
Speaker 2: all the fear, all the anxiety, all the depression, all
Speaker 2: the hatred, all the judgment, every possible negative quality about
Speaker 2: her was embodied into this one entity. And ever since,
Speaker 2: she's kind of like cracked that code and she's worked
Speaker 2: on herself, and shit, she hasn't come in contact with it,
Speaker 2: like it hasn't bothered her anything. And I think that
Speaker 2: that's this is just my own personal opinion. I personally
Speaker 2: think that that's what a lot of these quote unquote
Speaker 2: demons are. I think that they are personal to you,
Speaker 2: and I think that that's.
Speaker 3: Just my own personal interpretation of it.
Speaker 2: I think that they are kind of just like, uh,
Speaker 2: I don't even know what you would call it, just
Speaker 2: like offshoots of you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like I would say, so that that takes us
Speaker 5: into the realm of poultergeists, because poulter Degeist, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: are are entities that we have created, we have actually manifested.
Speaker 5: And it's exactly what you're saying. It's these negative emotions
Speaker 5: and it usually Poltergeist usually manifests from like teenage girls
Speaker 5: that are going through a lot of hormonal change, a
Speaker 5: lot a lot of change, and they actually create these
Speaker 5: Poultergeist And that very much could be it because they
Speaker 5: create this entity and eventually it breaks off and it
Speaker 5: becomes an school entity onto itself. But I still do
Speaker 5: believe that there are other and and this could be
Speaker 5: this entity could have been starting to form and it's
Speaker 5: feeding off her fear because it if we go into
Speaker 5: like the prison planet reincarnation trap kind of theory, there
Speaker 5: is these and part of it I believe of some
Speaker 5: of it I think is not my thing, But there's
Speaker 5: these creatures that feed off your energy, which they call loosh.
Speaker 5: I hate that name. It sounds it sounds like like
Speaker 5: like some eighties like uh, like a surfer talk some
Speaker 5: looche man, this loosh going on. But yeah, that feed
Speaker 5: off of your and these negative emotions and they absorb
Speaker 5: it and that is what they eat. I do believe
Speaker 5: that that is a legit thing as well, Like I
Speaker 5: think that these entities do that. And I talked to
Speaker 5: a local here who had kind of like the same
Speaker 5: type of energy talking about come through his window and
Speaker 5: attack him while he was sleeping, and he had a
Speaker 5: witness that someone witnessed him being attacked while he was sleeping,
Speaker 5: which was crazy.
Speaker 1: Where is here for you, really.
Speaker 5: I'm in Mexico and the city of Campeche, in the
Speaker 5: state of Campeche.
Speaker 4: Now let me ask you, do you believe that that
Speaker 4: experience had anything? And this is super uh, you know,
Speaker 4: arrogant and ignorant question here, But in the realm of Santaia,
Speaker 4: I don't know how prevalent that is in Mexico as
Speaker 4: opposed to Al Salvador, as opposed to hunteras like, I
Speaker 4: am completely disconnected from how connected voodoo, Santa Rio or
Speaker 4: any type of occult practices are to the region. Right,
Speaker 4: But with that being said, and as you're speaking about
Speaker 4: a being that feeds off of luge, do you believe
Speaker 4: that that might potentially have something to do with local
Speaker 4: occult practices?
Speaker 1: Where are you at?
Speaker 5: Okay, so, I can't really necessarily speak for Santania, but
Speaker 5: there there is a lot of Brujas and and Brujos,
Speaker 5: you know who who shape change, you know, like, okay,
Speaker 5: kin Walker's of sorts, the blue.
Speaker 4: Haws and Brujos. Right, Okay, let me ask you this
Speaker 4: because I am I am super super white. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be straight up, I am as caucast.
Speaker 5: From Canada. I'm from Canada.
Speaker 4: So you know, I was gonna ask you have a
Speaker 4: zero accent whatsoever? You say you're living in Mexico and
Speaker 4: you say you're Canadians. So many things are throwing up,
Speaker 4: what the fuck's here? But like, all right, I'm with it.
Speaker 4: But uh, okay, So, the Blue Haws and Brujos of Mexico,
Speaker 4: the type of witchcraft that they are practicing is not
Speaker 4: Santaia based.
Speaker 5: From what I know in the area that we're in. No,
Speaker 5: it's not to say no, I'm sure there is. I'm
Speaker 5: positive especial Ico City, there's a lot of that stuff
Speaker 5: going on.
Speaker 1: M probably connects, no doubt so.
Speaker 4: But you're saying that the mostly the witches male and
Speaker 4: female of Mexico, the type of witchcraft that they are
Speaker 4: practicing would be based in what based off of what
Speaker 4: you've seen.
Speaker 5: So I'm not too privy of what it is. I
Speaker 5: know why, which is it's actually pretty funny. I don't
Speaker 5: want to say it's funny. But the necessity for the
Speaker 5: brujos a lot of times is out of jealousy, because
Speaker 5: there is a lot here where is my boyfriend, is
Speaker 5: my husband cheeting? Is my girlfriend or my wife cheating?
Speaker 5: So they will contact the brewja possess jealous They will
Speaker 5: contact like these brujas and brujos to shape shift into
Speaker 5: whether it be a dog, like a black dog, which
Speaker 5: is a common one here, bird to follow their loved ones.
Speaker 5: Also to buy candles, uh, you know, like love love candles,
Speaker 5: you know, to promote you know, like this. So you know,
Speaker 5: the Catholic religion here is extremely wrong. The spirituality side
Speaker 5: of it is also really really strong, So I find
Speaker 5: it really different than than like like Canada or the US,
Speaker 5: where the religion is very like No, this is the
Speaker 5: way it is now. This is kind of like merged together.
Speaker 5: And so a lot of people will, you know, hire
Speaker 5: blue hose and blue house to to track down their
Speaker 5: loved ones and to see their loved ones and and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So the car tells that and they all wear that ring.
Speaker 1: It's the Saint of is it? Okay?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sorry, my accent is trash. Once again, I'm
Speaker 4: super fucking white. Right, But either neither here nor there?
Speaker 4: So that is a Catholic yet occult practice. Is that
Speaker 4: intertwined with the blue or is that a separate culture?
Speaker 5: I cannot comment on that. I don't know enough about it,
Speaker 5: you know what. What what I do know here is
Speaker 5: that everybody has and now I'm not I don't want
Speaker 5: to get too much into a house because I don't
Speaker 5: know enough of it. It should be something that I
Speaker 5: should be looking into.
Speaker 4: But what I do know is this strictly opinion based.
Speaker 4: Bro we hypotheticalize it pathetically.
Speaker 5: I say, I don't have a clue, fair enough, fair enough,
Speaker 5: I don't want to get my opinion on it. If
Speaker 5: I don't, I have nothing to base it on. You know,
Speaker 5: being down here now though, like one thing is is
Speaker 5: is you know, when I was in Canada, you can
Speaker 5: kind of talk about some you know, some woo shit
Speaker 5: or crazy shit, and some people will be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I've got this, I got that here you mention it,
Speaker 5: and everybody starts coming forward with all their experiences, you know,
Speaker 5: Like in this area that I'm in, one of the
Speaker 5: largest most common experiences that happen are with alushes otherwise
Speaker 5: known as dwen duendees, you know, or little people. Lots
Speaker 5: of stories. You can't throw a rock without hitting someone
Speaker 5: who has their own personal experience of.
Speaker 1: That, you mean, like a dwarf or like an.
Speaker 5: Elf, like a dwarf, more like a chaup like that,
Speaker 5: like childlikes not wings with you. Yeah, all right, let
Speaker 5: let me.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm gonna try my knowledge here. What color
Speaker 4: is the pasole in your region of Mexico? And I'm
Speaker 4: gonna guesstimate and see if I got it? Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: what what color? If you were to go to a
Speaker 4: restaurant and order pasole? What color is it coming out?
Speaker 5: Like a brownish color?
Speaker 1: Oh you're in the north.
Speaker 4: No, no, damn, I thought red pasole was in the north.
Speaker 5: No, I'm so this is more brownish color, not red.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's a I'm in like like in the
Speaker 5: Gulf of Mexico, so I'm in the south, so like
Speaker 5: probably directly maybe kind of directly across from Florida.
Speaker 1: Damn, okay, all right, all.
Speaker 5: Right, right on right on the coast.
Speaker 1: Hell, I need to try green basole and white basole.
Speaker 1: I've only ever had red.
Speaker 5: I've heard technically what I order it. You don't order green,
Speaker 5: red or white. It's just you just order pole.
Speaker 4: That's why I asked, because like I've been told again,
Speaker 4: Super gringo, Super don't know what I'm talking about, but
Speaker 4: I've been told that, like if you go to North
Speaker 4: Mexico and you order a bowl of pasole, it would
Speaker 4: come out red. Central would be more white, and then
Speaker 4: Southern would be more green. Again, I have nothing to
Speaker 4: base that off of other than the Internet. So I
Speaker 4: was hoping that maybe if you said green, I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 4: you're in the South of Mexico.
Speaker 1: I know, shit, But I was wrong. It'd be like that.
Speaker 5: No, that's that's all right, that's all right. Yeah, So
Speaker 5: you know that's what's down here is that you know,
Speaker 5: and uh, what is it to go with this? Yeah,
Speaker 5: there is you know down here there's a lot of
Speaker 5: those alushas, and there's lots of stories about, you know,
Speaker 5: my sister in law, my brother in law, even myself.
Speaker 5: I had an experience when I was working on my
Speaker 5: father in law's land, and I don't know what that was.
Speaker 5: So I hate saying I had an experience when I
Speaker 5: have no idea what I experience. It was just some
Speaker 5: it was just some strangeness that I experienced on the land.
Speaker 5: But but going back Jonathan to you had said about this,
Speaker 5: I'm cycling. I'm going circling way back, and I know
Speaker 5: we got, I know we got the time when you
Speaker 5: talked about out of body experience like I've only really
Speaker 5: truly had one out of body experience, and I think
Speaker 5: I kind of kiboshed it. I was pretty young, and
Speaker 5: I got made fun of for bringing it up, and uh,
Speaker 5: it was kind of like at that point, so it
Speaker 5: was kind of like, you know, it's like, no, no,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to do that anymore. And uh, I
Speaker 5: was running a race and and I was behind the
Speaker 5: kids that were in front of me, and I was like,
Speaker 5: I need to I need to go faster, you know,
Speaker 5: And like I was with the athletic kids, I was
Speaker 5: an athletic kid, but these were like the top and
Speaker 5: I'm like, I need to pick it up a little
Speaker 5: bit faster. So and so I started to push myself
Speaker 5: beyond the limits that I normally do. And when I
Speaker 5: did that, I literally shot out of my body and
Speaker 5: I am about ten feet fifteen feet in the air
Speaker 5: watching everybody run. And when I saw myself running, then
Speaker 5: it was like right back into my own body. And
Speaker 5: at that point, you know, we finished the race, and
Speaker 5: I start telling everybody, oh, yeah, this happened, and of course,
Speaker 5: what the kids do? You know, you're weird, And so
Speaker 5: that was kind of like the first real times I
Speaker 5: started being called weird. And uh so, I think I
Speaker 5: think after being called weird, it was kind of one
Speaker 5: of those things that I just decided that I don't
Speaker 5: like that. You know, you kind of get that peer pressure.
Speaker 5: You know, you're the black Sheep, already dubbed the black Sheep,
Speaker 5: you know, Oh yeah right now, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I hey, dude, you gotta just wear it as
Speaker 2: a badge of honor, you know, whenever somebody calls me weird,
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck, yeah, I am, you know, But as
Speaker 2: far as those kind of like strange out of body experiences,
Speaker 2: especially whenever you're not aiming for that, you know, like
Speaker 2: you're well, you said you were running, and that's whenever
Speaker 2: it happen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was running. I was ten years old and
Speaker 5: I was running a race. My dog is playing with
Speaker 5: my camera. Yeah I was. I was ten years old
Speaker 5: running a race and boom, you know, shot straight out
Speaker 5: at the top of my head.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, so these out of body experiences are so like
Speaker 2: fascinating to me.
Speaker 3: I Actually, there's this website.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've checked it out, being like what you cover,
Speaker 2: but it's called nderf dot org derf dot org, which
Speaker 2: is basically like an accounting of all of the near
Speaker 2: death experiences and out of body experiences and people just documenting,
Speaker 2: you know, what they were able to experience. And you know,
Speaker 2: the near death experienced ones are obviously like those are
Speaker 2: some of my favorite, because you're you're literally dead or
Speaker 2: about to die, you know, and then you're somehow able
Speaker 2: to experience something that is.
Speaker 3: Outside of your body.
Speaker 2: But you everybody that experiences that, they all say that
Speaker 2: it's more real than this place right and so like,
Speaker 2: which is kind of a crazy sentiment, like how could
Speaker 2: you possibly look around experience. I mean, I'm thirty four,
Speaker 2: I've experienced thirty four years of this life, and for
Speaker 2: me to be able to say, oh, yeah, that other
Speaker 2: place is more real than this, how do you compare
Speaker 2: what you have always thought to be real with something
Speaker 2: else that is seemingly even more real. And so there's
Speaker 2: those people that have the near death experiences. But then
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of accounts of out of body experiences,
Speaker 2: which are I mean, I think that they're equally as cool,
Speaker 2: and I don't know what to do with that outside
Speaker 2: of I don't know what do you make of people
Speaker 2: having out of body experiences, near death experiences, stuff like that,
Speaker 2: because the accounts are they're all over the place, and
Speaker 2: not everybody experiences the same exact thing, but it almost
Speaker 2: seems very personal to the person that it's happening to.
Speaker 3: So maybe that that's why they're different.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really fascinating like that. A lot of times
Speaker 5: the OBEs the out of body experiences, you know, we're
Speaker 5: a lot of times you're shooting out of the head
Speaker 5: kind of thing, and it's either it's either like you said,
Speaker 5: like this near sleeping experience where you're almost asleep kind
Speaker 5: of thing, or you are asleep but then you wake
Speaker 5: up and you get out of your body. Or there's
Speaker 5: the extreme event, which is me running a race, but
Speaker 5: there's usually like an extreme event where people shoot out.
Speaker 5: You know, it's almost like a safety mechanism. It's kind
Speaker 5: of like we we move out of our body and
Speaker 5: and and if we're going into new age thing, you know,
Speaker 5: some people talk about you know, your your your soul
Speaker 5: and your spirit are not lined with your body, and
Speaker 5: sometimes that could be happening because you're out of sync.
Speaker 5: You're actually not fully back engaged into your body. And
Speaker 5: that's a concern I've had too, is like you know,
Speaker 5: have ever had these experiences, but maybe I'm not back
Speaker 5: in sync with my body and it could be that,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe you're very uncoordinated and it could be
Speaker 5: due to that, you know that you're not in line
Speaker 5: with your body again. But these nds, I find them
Speaker 5: fascinating and you know they're there. Of course, there is
Speaker 5: like the light, there's you see other people standing near you,
Speaker 5: you know, sometimes family members, and I find them really
Speaker 5: really interesting. You know, I have a good friend of
Speaker 5: mine who had an NDE as well, and his experience
Speaker 5: was really cool. And when you're talking about like this,
Speaker 5: you know, you start to experience all these other emotions
Speaker 5: that maybe were cut off from. And he's like, you know,
Speaker 5: I felt like this, like this perfect love, this perfect harmony,
Speaker 5: and and a lot of times people want to get
Speaker 5: back to there, and which which has which is also
Speaker 5: concerning because you know, if you have one of these
Speaker 5: experiences and then you have like this amazing, amazing you know,
Speaker 5: we'll say a hi. You know, it's like almost like
Speaker 5: this drug high that you're having, and then you come
Speaker 5: off of it and you're like you almost want that again,
Speaker 5: Like do you do some people just want to take
Speaker 5: their lives so they can get back into that, uh,
Speaker 5: that perfect harmony again.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it seems like it because and you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's crazy because whenever we go to sleep at night,
Speaker 2: there's that naturally secreting DMT from our pontio glands that
Speaker 2: allows us to be able to see these dreams and
Speaker 2: and live through these dreams and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: the same thing happens for near death experiences, and ultimately
Speaker 2: people who are they say that as soon as you die,
Speaker 2: you have like basically an overdose of d MT that
Speaker 2: goes off within your brain. Like they've you know, they've
Speaker 2: monitored that and everything. So it's like, it's it's so
Speaker 2: crazy how that happens. But then also, I think that we've,
Speaker 2: you know, over the course of like human like humanity
Speaker 2: and time in general, Like why wouldn't we have evolved
Speaker 2: from that need of needing to dream at night, of
Speaker 2: needing to even sleep, you know, I mean, it takes
Speaker 2: up damn near a third of our lives. And and
Speaker 2: for some reason, every anytime somebody talks about a dream,
Speaker 2: oh well, that's just nothing, you know, like it's it's
Speaker 2: no big deal.
Speaker 5: It's like I feel like I need to dream, right,
Speaker 5: I could get into dreams. You're hearing you talk about
Speaker 5: dreams and saying that you're kind of like a hypnotherapist
Speaker 5: as well. Like I would say when I was younger,
Speaker 5: used to call myself like the dreamer or a dream
Speaker 5: walker or along those lines, because I have so many
Speaker 5: dreams and it really would piss me off when people
Speaker 5: would dissect my dreams and like, oh, young would say
Speaker 5: it's this or that, and I'm like no, No, there's
Speaker 5: more to dreams than just that. Yes, I do agree
Speaker 5: that subconsciously, I do believe that we are replaying events.
Speaker 5: Some of our dreams were replay events that happened during
Speaker 5: the day, just our brain doing that. But I don't
Speaker 5: believe I think that's maybe like fifteen percent of our dreams.
Speaker 5: I think we actually travel. We travel forward in time,
Speaker 5: we travel backward in time, we travel sideways into different
Speaker 5: parallel universes. I believe that, and this is my own belief,
Speaker 5: and I believe it wholeheartedly that I believe I have.
Speaker 5: If you guys remember quant or if you ever known
Speaker 5: the the TV show called Quantum Leap, where he would
Speaker 5: he would jump, his consciousness would jump into other people,
Speaker 5: and he would actually kind of take over their bodies
Speaker 5: and live parts of their lives so he could do something.
Speaker 5: I swear to God I've done that in my dream.
Speaker 5: I have two or three occasions where I have taken
Speaker 5: over someone's body and I have like this goal that
Speaker 5: needs to happen, and I have to make sure that,
Speaker 5: like the one I had to make sure my sister
Speaker 5: didn't die in she was going to be dying, she
Speaker 5: was going to die in a gas station shootout. Her
Speaker 5: friends robbed a gas station. She was just there like
Speaker 5: a you know, wrong time, wrong place kind of thing
Speaker 5: with the wrong people, and she got shot and killed.
Speaker 5: And I was a eleven year old black kid, like
Speaker 5: I knew who I was, but I was in the
Speaker 5: body of an eleven year old black kid, and I
Speaker 5: had to prevent this from happening.
Speaker 2: WHOA all right, So it just seems that sometimes it's
Speaker 2: almost like the soul needs to learn that, and there's
Speaker 2: no way you're going to be able to learn that
Speaker 2: in this same carnation kind of deal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that could be exactly it. You know, it
Speaker 5: could be us. It could be that my consciousness is
Speaker 5: jumping or I'm just going to another another parallel life
Speaker 5: where I'm actually living this and I'm just sharing that
Speaker 5: same consciousness I'm and I'm doing this, you know, Like
Speaker 5: I was, like I told them, like, oh, I need
Speaker 5: to get this tattoo because I told them who I was.
Speaker 5: I said, you know, I have a foty year old
Speaker 5: mad right now. You know, I'm an eleven year old
Speaker 5: black boys body, but I'm a forty year old vv
Speaker 5: white male you know, from originally from Canada living in
Speaker 5: Mexico and oh, I got to get this tattoo that
Speaker 5: I have in my other life because I have to
Speaker 5: connect myself.
Speaker 3: Dude. I love this kind of shit.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen There's a TV show on Netflix
Speaker 2: And I always try and tell as many people as
Speaker 2: I possibly can to watch this show because it is
Speaker 2: absolutely First of all, it's awesome, and I think that
Speaker 2: the reason they're not bringing it back is because it
Speaker 2: hit home too much.
Speaker 3: But it's called The OA. Have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 5: I have. I have not watched it completely though.
Speaker 2: Okay, you like what you talk about one hundred percent
Speaker 2: would mess with this TV show. It is exactly like
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, like, you know, jumping out of
Speaker 2: your body, going into another body, living multiple lives in
Speaker 2: different dimensions and almost all at once kind of deal.
Speaker 2: And I think it's one of the best TV shows
Speaker 2: ever created. And so yeah, I would definitely suggest that
Speaker 2: one to you. But I love that kind of stuff, dude, because.
Speaker 5: I got to tell you about one more. Then, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I got to tell you about one more. So there
Speaker 5: was another one where I jumped into this young probably
Speaker 5: a seventeen year old white male's white male, and I
Speaker 5: in this this scenario. The US was an occupied it
Speaker 5: was occupied by it was like a Chinese state government
Speaker 5: kind of thing that was what was operating this. And
Speaker 5: I went and found this because I needed my consciousness,
Speaker 5: needed a way to get back to my body. I'm like,
Speaker 5: I need to find a way back. So what I
Speaker 5: did then is I found a scientist and he drew
Speaker 5: a diagram which I have recreated a couple of times.
Speaker 5: And I've recreated this diagram of how to get back
Speaker 5: into this life, into this parallel universe. And so I
Speaker 5: had to, you know, go but I still had to
Speaker 5: go through the process of living this seven year old
Speaker 5: boy's life. You know. I had to go to football practice,
Speaker 5: football tryouts to try doing this. But in the end,
Speaker 5: I had to figure out how to get back into
Speaker 5: my reality. And it has to do with the Van
Speaker 5: Allen radiation belt and with the Moon being a large,
Speaker 5: heavy mass object. So I had to disrupt the energy
Speaker 5: flow that was flowing around Earth by sticking in a
Speaker 5: heavy mass object, which was the moon, and that was
Speaker 5: a portal back into this reality.
Speaker 2: I can I just say already, I love you, brother,
Speaker 2: because this kind of shit. Nobody talks about this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, and like, I feel like, have you ever
Speaker 2: gone to sleep and you wake up and you feel like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I was just doing in my dream,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I was learning something.
Speaker 3: You ever feel like you like you wake up and
Speaker 3: you're like, what was I learning?
Speaker 5: All the time? A lot, a lot, you know. And
Speaker 5: this is the thing I've been doing, is that I
Speaker 5: document my dreams. I've been writing down my dreams since
Speaker 5: twenty twelve, and so I have about, you know what,
Speaker 5: that's almost thirteen years now of a dream journal going on.
Speaker 5: And what I also like to do is I like
Speaker 5: to find pictures that are similar or I'll draw things
Speaker 5: out just so I don't forget what I saw. And
Speaker 5: I think I think it's very important that we do that,
Speaker 5: because the more I do that, the more that I remember.
Speaker 5: The less that I do those kinds of things, then
Speaker 5: I find it harder to actually remember my dream. So
Speaker 5: right now I haven't been writing me down my dreams
Speaker 5: as much, and now I'm having trouble remembering them. But
Speaker 5: if you want to see, if you don't mind, I
Speaker 5: could actually show you the pictures of what I read,
Speaker 5: what the scientist drew. It's rough, you know, because I'm
Speaker 5: drawing from a dream, but I could share that with
Speaker 5: you if you want to see.
Speaker 3: Please, I would love to see that. Okay, I just
Speaker 3: gave you the the ability to share screen if you
Speaker 3: need to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got it going on here. Okay, tell me
Speaker 5: if you can see that now, yep, okay. So this
Speaker 5: is what I saw, was I drew it out. It
Speaker 5: was an energy entering into some sort of aperture and
Speaker 5: then expanding back out after. It was like it was
Speaker 5: flowing around something after, such as the Earth. The idea
Speaker 5: was to take a large mass object and insert it
Speaker 5: into the energy feel after the aperture enough to disrupt it,
Speaker 5: and this would allow me to break through and enter
Speaker 5: back into my own dimension. I interpreted it as the
Speaker 5: Moon pushing back into the Van Allen radiation belts. Whoa,
Speaker 5: and these here pictures over here, you can see that
Speaker 5: this is the Van Allen radiation belts. You can see
Speaker 5: like there's an aperture where the energy comes in and
Speaker 5: it expands around the Earth here as well. And yeah,
Speaker 5: so this is kind of what I was what I
Speaker 5: was seeing.
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like most people like Jacob he
Speaker 2: says that he doesn't dream. I think there was actually
Speaker 2: a study done to where it says most people actually,
Speaker 2: like all people.
Speaker 3: Dream all the time, isn't that? Is that correct?
Speaker 2: And then like some people just can't remember it, or
Speaker 2: they can't interpret it, or they have nothing to really
Speaker 2: compare it to. So then it just kind of gets
Speaker 2: lost in the fold, because what are you gonna do
Speaker 2: with you know, Like if a pink elephant comes up
Speaker 2: and hands you a basketball and says that this is
Speaker 2: the child of God and you need to deliver it
Speaker 2: to Neptune so that the little baby geese on planet
Speaker 2: Pluto don't die, It's like, what are you gonna do
Speaker 2: with that information? You know? But for you to be
Speaker 2: able to remember that, interpret it, draw it down. I
Speaker 2: think that that goes like that is ultimately the ultimate
Speaker 2: benefit to documenting your dreams, and it's getting you more
Speaker 2: comfortable with, you know, understanding what's going on there. And
Speaker 2: I've been saying for the longest time that I really
Speaker 2: need to start documenting my dreams.
Speaker 3: I know some people.
Speaker 2: Like record them with their voice memos app like in
Speaker 2: their phone as soon as they wake up. Do you
Speaker 2: find that it actually works better for you recording it
Speaker 2: voice memo or or literally writing it down.
Speaker 5: Literally writing it down. What I do is I'll send
Speaker 5: myself a WhatsApp message because I find it just the
Speaker 5: easiest way just to set you know, to write it down,
Speaker 5: send myself a WhatsApp message, even if it's just the
Speaker 5: basic concept of what the dream was. And then during
Speaker 5: the day I spend a lot of time actually diving
Speaker 5: back into the dream and remembering more of those details,
Speaker 5: you know, because I have the framework, then I can
Speaker 5: go back and work out those details of exactly what
Speaker 5: it was or what it is, and and that seems
Speaker 5: to that, that seems to happen, you know. When I
Speaker 5: do that, that's the best way to do it. But
Speaker 5: there's sometimes I will say two days ago, I I
Speaker 5: had such a hard, hard day because and this sounds crazy,
Speaker 5: and people will be like, are you sure you should
Speaker 5: go see a psychiatrist. I couldn't discern what was my
Speaker 5: real memories or what were my dream memories? And this
Speaker 5: was on this was yeah, this was yesterday? Was it yesterday?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: No, it was Saturday. Sorry, it was Saturday that I
Speaker 5: had issues trying to discern what my real memories were
Speaker 5: and what my dream memories were. Everything seemed so interlocked
Speaker 5: and it seemed like like these dream memories, I'm like
Speaker 5: they were just out of reach. Though it was just
Speaker 5: like I could see it. It was just as if
Speaker 5: you squinted your eyes and you can kind of see something.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what am I seeing?
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 5: What was that? I'm trying to remember? Like did that
Speaker 5: really happen to me? Or was that from a dream?
Speaker 5: Literally that was me the whole day, and it was
Speaker 5: kind of like this whole day of deja vus, or
Speaker 5: as they call dejah revey. Dejah vreve is when you
Speaker 5: have that recall of something that has happened but it's
Speaker 5: in real life, but it's actually from your dream.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right. I have heard of that term.
Speaker 2: Okay, that is a strange feeling, dude, I and I
Speaker 2: felt that way before, you know, like just waking up
Speaker 2: and going throughout the day and thinking about the dream
Speaker 2: all throughout at night, and then you know, it's like
Speaker 2: there's this weird crossover kind of of effect because it's
Speaker 2: not always like some crazy thing that happens in a dream.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it literally could just be like a normal day,
Speaker 2: you know, but maybe one or two weird things happen
Speaker 2: that you don't even know that they're weird in the moment,
Speaker 2: but then you wake up and you're like, oh, that
Speaker 2: that actually was pretty weird. Like your instance, like you
Speaker 2: woke up as an eleven year old black kid and
Speaker 2: you're trying to convince.
Speaker 1: Everybody that you're a forty year old dude.
Speaker 3: It's like that. That kind of shit.
Speaker 2: I love that trippy kind of stuff because it is
Speaker 2: a part of us. And I mean I don't I
Speaker 2: personally find a lot of value in dreams, and that's
Speaker 2: why I try and recall them as much as possible.
Speaker 2: That's why I try to meditate as much as possible,
Speaker 2: and why I like to trip major balls as much
Speaker 2: as possible, because that's where you're gonna get most of
Speaker 2: your bang for your buck.
Speaker 3: In there is that something that you've ever uh meandered
Speaker 3: with with.
Speaker 5: So for me, it's just just like I love to
Speaker 5: sleep because of my dreams. It's because I go off
Speaker 5: into another world, you know. I I've played with uh
Speaker 5: with mushrooms and ayahuasca here in Mexico, but for for
Speaker 5: mostly and and you know, but before I moved down
Speaker 5: to Mexico, I was I was micro dosing and that
Speaker 5: really helped clear things up as well, which which is
Speaker 5: something I'd love to get back into, is get back
Speaker 5: into micro dosing mushrooms. It really cleared my mind. But
Speaker 5: trying to find that here, finds find something good is
Speaker 5: something I haven't done yet. But I've done ayahuasca here
Speaker 5: and that was interesting. But it was through a through
Speaker 5: a church of all things, sent the downy Iwa Church.
Speaker 5: So it was very strict, very formal, not really kind
Speaker 5: of you know, work on your stuff kind of. It
Speaker 5: definitely work on your stuff, but you can't go trip
Speaker 5: balls even though you're tripping ball. So that sounds strange.
Speaker 5: Like we had to sit women on one side, men
Speaker 5: on the other were sitting outside, and we got rattles
Speaker 5: and we're singing these these church hymns, church songs, but
Speaker 5: all in Spanish, and I'm I'm tripping balls and I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my God. And then I'm closing my eyes and
Speaker 5: kind of like okay, okay. And then they come over
Speaker 5: and be like, no, no, no, no, you need to
Speaker 5: work on your shit. Keep your eyes open.
Speaker 3: What I have Jacob, have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 1: I have not.
Speaker 3: What kind of Is this a Christian church?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: I mean it is Christian, but it's also ayahuasca mixed together.
Speaker 5: So it's like the shamanism mixed with Christianity in a church.
Speaker 4: In the nineteen seventies, America had something that started spawn right,
Speaker 4: you had little outreach programs the Church of LSD right
Speaker 4: in the Church of Psilocybin and the Church of this.
Speaker 4: And that's not just like something that's like internet folk lore. No, no, no,
Speaker 4: you ever seen Forrest Gump. You remember that part where
Speaker 4: Jenny introduced her boyfriend to Forrest when he had melevana
Speaker 4: around his neck and he was a minister of the
Speaker 4: Church of LSD. That wasn't just a movie thing. That
Speaker 4: was like based off of something real. So like church
Speaker 4: quote unquote doesn't necessarily mean christian However, I could imagine
Speaker 4: a world where some offshoots of Christianity found some hallucinogenics
Speaker 4: and tried blending the two to turn a profit.
Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense to me, probably.
Speaker 2: How most churches really started in the first place. I know,
Speaker 2: we argue about that back and forth. I am a
Speaker 2: firm believer that that is exactly why there was stained
Speaker 2: glass windows, That's exactly why there was these big ass bells.
Speaker 2: That's exactly why you would have the organ playing throughout
Speaker 2: and just resonating throughout.
Speaker 3: The entire church, just everybody.
Speaker 2: Just taking in the organic e're the organic well I
Speaker 2: guess it would be organic, but just taking in the
Speaker 2: vibes that way. And of course you're going to see
Speaker 2: angels probably come down, You're probably going to see God,
Speaker 2: You're probably going to see Jesus whenever you're tripping balls
Speaker 2: and you're set in the right mood kind of situation.
Speaker 2: And we always talk about like what they found in
Speaker 2: the old churches and the ergod within the chalices and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. They were obviously even if they didn't
Speaker 2: mean to trip balls, they were.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean the people there like, yeah, Ergot
Speaker 4: was clearly what was at what was happening here? Then
Speaker 4: like number one guy, I've heard screaming that was Bashar,
Speaker 4: which like, let's consider the source.
Speaker 2: No, No, the source is actually what you always like
Speaker 2: to talk about is archaeological digs.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: No, they have source traces of Ergot in some chalices.
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that every single church was like doling
Speaker 4: out hallucinogenic drugs to.
Speaker 1: Their to their uh you know, congregation.
Speaker 2: I'm not even saying that it was on purpose. Like, hey,
Speaker 2: everybody will come to church, let's all trip balls. I
Speaker 2: think that it was probably part of the ceremony because
Speaker 2: if you look at it, most churches, before you got
Speaker 2: into this whole non denominational sector of Christianity, most churches
Speaker 2: were very like like, well there was I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: but a lot of churches were very like kind of uh,
Speaker 2: structured in a very like in a in a very
Speaker 2: structured way, likes that. So sure, whenever you would have
Speaker 2: something structured like that, and I always think about like
Speaker 2: the Catholic Church, for example, the Catholic Church is very
Speaker 2: very like some people like to disagree with me whenever
Speaker 2: I say this, I think it's very occult. And I
Speaker 2: don't mean that necessarily in a bad way. I just
Speaker 2: think that they're dealing with, uh, their own version of
Speaker 2: witchcraft personally.
Speaker 1: I mean, the.
Speaker 4: Catholics are an easy target as far as to point
Speaker 4: a finger at and say, look at this weird thing
Speaker 4: they do that's evil, Like okay, fine, fine, fine, with
Speaker 4: all the grain of salt attributed here.
Speaker 2: What I mean is is that everything was on purpose,
Speaker 2: and like whenever you're talking about the organ or the
Speaker 2: stained glass, or the church bells or the pews or
Speaker 2: any of this kind of stuff. I think that it
Speaker 2: was all really on purpose, and I think that a
Speaker 2: lot of that has been just lost through our time
Speaker 2: and we just look at it like, oh yeah, that's
Speaker 2: beautiful stained glass. Oh that's a beautiful organ. Oh that's
Speaker 2: awesome that you play that music in the background. I
Speaker 2: think that it had a lot more meaning. And so
Speaker 2: whenever you then introduce or at least according to our
Speaker 2: newer understanding as far as ergot and challicism whatnot, it
Speaker 2: makes a lot more sense. That's all I try and
Speaker 2: say about that that like it would be literally like
Speaker 2: a heavenly experience every time you went to church.
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you this real shit.
Speaker 4: So let's just assume that your boy Billiam Shakespeare was
Speaker 4: a real dude. Yes, I know there's controversy around that sentence,
Speaker 4: Just for two cents, for just for a second, pretend
Speaker 4: your boy billion was a real dude.
Speaker 1: Okay, writ in plays, acting and shit the whole nine. Okay.
Speaker 4: They found a what's it called brosier or something like
Speaker 4: that that basically you burn incense inside of. They found
Speaker 4: hemp inside of it. So your boy Billium was burning
Speaker 4: hemp in his thing cool. Does that mean that billion
Speaker 4: was a stoner? Or does that mean that we just
Speaker 4: found hemp in one of the things in his house?
Speaker 3: I mean, was it in his bowl or his cup?
Speaker 1: It's a brosier.
Speaker 4: It's a thing that's burned like it's like a think
Speaker 4: of this as like.
Speaker 5: Like an incense bull that hangs from the you know,
Speaker 5: sometimes they hang, sometimes they have like a holder for it.
Speaker 4: It's just okay, that is sort of like the sensy
Speaker 4: wax burners of the day and age.
Speaker 2: I love me a good sensey, but that's the same
Speaker 2: kind of thing that was going on within the churches.
Speaker 3: They would go and they would ladle that shit with.
Speaker 2: The smoke and everything, and some people have suggested that
Speaker 2: it was weed.
Speaker 4: Okay, so pause, pause, They found traces of some hemp
Speaker 4: stems inside of Billiam Shakespeare's thing.
Speaker 1: Does that mean that he was a four to twenty blaze,
Speaker 1: you know what's up?
Speaker 4: He was a full on stoner or they found some stems?
Speaker 1: Which one is true?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I would need more context to
Speaker 2: try and figure out exactly what it was. But you're
Speaker 2: talking about literally within an incense holder. I'm not talking
Speaker 2: you're there's a difference between ingesting something than it is
Speaker 2: if I was to light up some incense.
Speaker 1: It's smoking it, is it not?
Speaker 3: Is it in the incense? Or did he have a
Speaker 3: roach clip?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: No, no, I mean I know, as far as I know,
Speaker 4: as far as the research I've done there earlier, what
Speaker 4: you're saying something was like it's just like a contact high.
Speaker 5: Than what you're saying is like the contact high. You know,
Speaker 5: he's he's burning and it's it's in the air, and
Speaker 5: possibly he's breathing it in which.
Speaker 1: They had cultures that did that with him.
Speaker 4: But beside the point, my point is, all right, they
Speaker 4: found him clearly William Shakespeare was the stoner.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not a necessarily true sentence.
Speaker 4: It may be not necessarily as well as it's like
Speaker 4: Ergot was found in certain chalices and certain churches.
Speaker 1: They were tripping in the church.
Speaker 4: Like okay, some may have been, but like that's not
Speaker 4: like a rule of thumb, you feel.
Speaker 3: Me, not that they want you knowing, Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I feel like that that is something that
Speaker 2: a lot of people just overlook and that it's not
Speaker 2: really that necessary of like a facet of the story
Speaker 2: like to me, if i'm for example, let me give you.
Speaker 2: How about I try you on an example. All right,
Speaker 2: so let's say I don't know, let's just use a
Speaker 2: more modern example. Let's say your mother is at your house. Okay,
Speaker 2: I know I love your mother. I'm not about to
Speaker 2: shit talk about. So your mother is in your house
Speaker 2: and she just so happens to be drinking a cup
Speaker 2: of coke, for example, right, and and then.
Speaker 3: She just she falls down, she passes out.
Speaker 2: And nobody knows what the hell's wrong with her, right,
Speaker 2: And she doesn't have any history of any kind of
Speaker 2: problems with her health or anything like that. And so
Speaker 2: most people would be like, all right, well, what was
Speaker 2: she drinking? Right, And you just say, oh, she was
Speaker 2: just drinking coke like I wasn't really that big of
Speaker 2: a deal or anything like that.
Speaker 3: But then all of the the you know, they.
Speaker 2: They get all the tests back and they find out
Speaker 2: what was wrong with her body. Oh my god, it
Speaker 2: looks like she actually had some form of cancer.
Speaker 3: But we also found.
Speaker 2: Within that drink that there was some kind of poison
Speaker 2: also at the same time, so.
Speaker 3: You could say that she died of cancer.
Speaker 2: But then you could also say that she died of
Speaker 2: the poisoning that was also in the cup. My point
Speaker 2: here is that just because you find some ergot in
Speaker 2: a cup doesn't necessarily mean that everybody was doing it.
Speaker 3: But it had to be a reason behind it.
Speaker 2: Like, it's not just something you can just glaze over
Speaker 2: and be like, well, that one person at that one church,
Speaker 2: at that one point in time, they were tripping I'm
Speaker 2: not even out there to say that everybody that ever
Speaker 2: went to church back in the day was always tripping balls.
Speaker 2: My point is is that maybe they were, and maybe
Speaker 2: that's something that is missing from the church.
Speaker 4: Dare I even say, bro, if you were to find
Speaker 4: ergotten every chalice from every church, then like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: I see what you're saying. If it's one chalice from
Speaker 4: one church that showed trace evidence of it's like I
Speaker 4: see the string on the coreboard, but it's a string.
Speaker 3: Well okay, all right, Well I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just yeah, I would like to look a little
Speaker 3: bit more into that.
Speaker 4: I bet you there's probably more than one tell us
Speaker 4: your two cents on this.
Speaker 5: It's a topic I haven't gotten it ever gotten into,
Speaker 5: you know, trying to say that and I agree with you.
Speaker 5: If every chilice had her got in it, then you
Speaker 5: could say okay. But if it's randomly, you know, one here,
Speaker 5: one there, a couple, there's not enough evidence to say
Speaker 5: that it's it is what you think it is.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got you right here, I got But that.
Speaker 4: Doesn't detract from the cases, especially if it's like a
Speaker 4: famous priest who like wrote a famous work, come to
Speaker 4: find out there was ergot in his chalice, Like, okay,
Speaker 4: let's talk.
Speaker 2: You know, I love how this one is titled the
Speaker 2: Psychedelic Eucharist.
Speaker 5: But so I just gift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just typed in Chalices with ergotten Church and
Speaker 2: it says this is the AI answer to it.
Speaker 3: And Jacob, I know that's your buddy, and it says yes.
Speaker 3: There it says, yes, Jacob hates AI so much.
Speaker 2: It says yes, there is evidence that early Christians drank
Speaker 2: ergot wine and that some chalices used in churches may
Speaker 2: have contained ergot. Chalice is with ergot remains, it says
Speaker 2: a second century BC. Damn, that goes back a little ways.
Speaker 2: A second century BC chalice was found to contain microscopic
Speaker 2: traces of ergot and beer. Ancient remains with er good traces.
Speaker 2: There's an analysis of ancient remains have found traces of
Speaker 2: ergot and drinking cups.
Speaker 3: Then there's ergot funguy.
Speaker 2: Ergot fungi produce produces psychedelic effects, and LSD is derived
Speaker 2: from ergot.
Speaker 3: Damn, I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: So a chalice from a church shown microscopic evidence of
Speaker 4: a yeast.
Speaker 1: That grew into ergot from beer.
Speaker 3: Some child, not one chalice. It did say some chalices
Speaker 3: used in churches.
Speaker 5: But that's a loose term some though. What does some mean?
Speaker 5: You know, like five two or is that fifty?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, if you check out this vice article, it says
Speaker 2: early Christians might have been high on hallucinogenic communication or communion.
Speaker 1: What about vice? Vice from time to time depends on
Speaker 1: the article.
Speaker 4: Some of them are like clearly biased, some of them
Speaker 4: are like really in depth.
Speaker 1: Vice is one of those hit or missed due.
Speaker 2: Okay, and this is perfect because for what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say here, it says. The bottom line is that
Speaker 2: it's far from absurd and perhaps entirely reasonable to think
Speaker 2: that some early Greek speaking Christians had hallucinogens in their
Speaker 2: ritual wines.
Speaker 3: I think That's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 2: As far as the stained glass and all the organ
Speaker 2: and everything, I think it was just part of their ritual.
Speaker 2: And it says arn't. With Vatican archives, Greco Roman text
Speaker 2: and the innovations of archaeochemistry, a new discipline that can
Speaker 2: isolate the exis chemical makeup of ancestral food and drink.
Speaker 2: Mara Rescue, I guess that's a person traces the rich
Speaker 2: and fine history of spiked wine through the ages. He
Speaker 2: suggests that the wild parties of Greek mystery sex, which
Speaker 2: occurred thousands of years before and at the time of Jesus,
Speaker 2: were powered by wines, likely imbued with drugs, later making
Speaker 2: their way into Christianity's early sacred cups. It's a controversial
Speaker 2: claim to make the communion wine has been a fixture
Speaker 2: of Christian worship since the Last Supper and stands as
Speaker 2: a core ritual for its two point five billion adher
Speaker 2: It's around the world, and it says called to sip
Speaker 2: the wine and invite the presence of Jesus. Christians believe
Speaker 2: that the wine becomes the blood of Christ metaphorically or
Speaker 2: literally during the Eucharist phase of a church service, when
Speaker 2: special biblical blessings are cast on the drink by the vicar,
Speaker 2: priest or pastor, and of course, the vast majority of
Speaker 2: not all, of Christianity's predominant sex would lay strong injunctions
Speaker 2: against hallucinogenic drugs all together. But as researchers continue digging
Speaker 2: up the boozy remnants of our ancient past, it may
Speaker 2: well be that the church is in for a big
Speaker 2: and truly shattering surprise. So that all right, So that's
Speaker 2: more than one church, bro.
Speaker 5: Now, okay, before we go too far on this, I've
Speaker 5: always and I want to bring this up. I've always
Speaker 5: had an issue with you know, the you know, the
Speaker 5: the cup of wine and the well, let's just say
Speaker 5: it the blood of Christ and the body of Christ,
Speaker 5: you know, like the symbolic and they said literally so
Speaker 5: they think that they're drinking the blood and they're eating
Speaker 5: the body. You know. That is very bro.
Speaker 2: I'm about to really and I'm about to really fuck
Speaker 2: you up here on this one. There was actually because
Speaker 2: there are people that literally believe that whenever they drink it,
Speaker 2: they imagine it's literally Jesus's blood. Whenever they eat the cracker,
Speaker 2: it's literally Jesus' flesh so much so that there was
Speaker 2: DNA like test done because this one person they like,
Speaker 2: had like some weird looking shit bro like, and they
Speaker 2: were like trying to test and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: is there like something weird. They wanted to get their
Speaker 2: shit tested, like their actual feces tested, right, yeah, And
Speaker 2: they found that there was literal human flesh inside of
Speaker 2: their shit, not not of their own. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: like this shit was this literal shit was manifested into
Speaker 2: human flesh. And so, I mean, if we're talking about
Speaker 2: weird manifestations, that's definitely one of them. That if you
Speaker 2: eat the cracker that is of Jesus, could you possibly
Speaker 2: manifest it in your shit?
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Pause pause, real quick, though, how much McDonald's meat is
Speaker 4: actually human meat?
Speaker 3: We don't know, We don't care.
Speaker 4: That's a real talking point, right number one. Number two,
Speaker 4: it's only the Catholics to believe that. Like, if I
Speaker 4: go to my church and they decide to do some
Speaker 4: sort of a commune thing with the little cup and
Speaker 4: the little cracker, no one in the building believes this
Speaker 4: is actually Jesus's skin and blood going into our bodies.
Speaker 4: Only one denomination believes that shit, but like they believe
Speaker 4: that shit, they really do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a disturbing thing for me, you know,
Speaker 5: growing up, And like I know, I wouldn't say to
Speaker 5: growing up, I would say it was like when I
Speaker 5: started questioning things, because at that time, you just at
Speaker 5: that age, I wasn't questioning anything. Yep, yep, this is
Speaker 5: what I'm doing. This I'm doing And then you start to,
Speaker 5: you know, stand back and take a look at it,
Speaker 5: and you're like, the blood and the body, you know,
Speaker 5: what the hell this is very you know, vampiric, you know,
Speaker 5: like I'm a vampire, I'm drinking the blood, I'm a cannibal,
Speaker 5: I'm eating the body. Like that's a little crazy. It's ritualistic, yes, right,
Speaker 5: But to ship out Christ? Is that what we're saying here,
Speaker 5: is that what we're going with a legend.
Speaker 4: Have the issue with it, bro I've never gathered it,
Speaker 4: I've never understood it, I've never agreed with it. I
Speaker 4: was raised Catholic until I was about twelve, thirteen, fourteen
Speaker 4: years old, and I went my own way with it.
Speaker 4: I'm what I would consider non denominational these days. But
Speaker 4: I have an issue with the organized religion as a whole.
Speaker 4: But you know all that to say, I get it.
Speaker 4: I understand. I have respect for the Catholic faith being
Speaker 4: the oldest and originators of quote unquote Christianity. Like I
Speaker 4: give props to the old heads if you will, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But like, doesn't that kind of lend a little credence
Speaker 3: to you? Are what you eat?
Speaker 4: You become christ conscious by eating the foreskin dogs.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying what the fuck? No, I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: You tell me think about foreskin finding foreskin get brought
Speaker 2: up in this conversation.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't know. I'm just I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean, it's just you know, there are
Speaker 2: certain people that say that if you if you pray
Speaker 2: over your food, then it will provide better nourishment for you,
Speaker 2: right it kind of in that's in that sector the
Speaker 2: same way if you the like we Jacob, I told
Speaker 2: you about this one time, but it was like a
Speaker 2: couple of months ago, Rye that I have another podcast
Speaker 2: called Meta Mysteries and there if you look up at
Speaker 2: that it's I can't remember what the hell it's called now,
Speaker 2: But essentially, if you hold like a cup of water
Speaker 2: in your hands, or like a container of water and
Speaker 2: you just close your eyes and try and basically energize
Speaker 2: this water with your own thoughts, I guess, and then
Speaker 2: you put it in the freezer and whenever it comes out,
Speaker 2: it's gonna have some kind of weird shape. And whenever
Speaker 2: I did mine, so my last name starts with an M,
Speaker 2: and I took it out and it was in the
Speaker 2: shape of an M. Right, And so I think that
Speaker 2: literally our thoughts came and manifest, if you like, if
Speaker 2: you're trying to make that happen. And I only bring
Speaker 2: up that one person who found possible Jesus flesh and
Speaker 2: their ship just as an example.
Speaker 5: Really, but but that takes this takes me to like
Speaker 5: Kenneth Copeland. I don't know if you know who Kenneth
Speaker 5: Copeland is.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, lunatic, crazy, familiar with you boy where he's
Speaker 4: he's blood letting himself and then they're drinking the like, like,
Speaker 4: is there.
Speaker 5: A possibility, Let's just is there a possibility that the wafer,
Speaker 5: the Communion wafer, actually is human? You know, maybe there
Speaker 5: is some human parts to it for this this specific religion,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's kind of like here you go
Speaker 5: eat this eat this and maybe, like I'm not trying
Speaker 5: to well, I am trying to explain away. I'm like
Speaker 5: trying to rationalize you're shitting out the skin you're shipping
Speaker 5: out to you know, human body parts. Is that a possibility?
Speaker 5: It might be? You know, we we see a guy
Speaker 5: on TV blood letting himself and drinking someone else blood
Speaker 5: as well, Like, which is that that guy could possibly
Speaker 5: be the Antichrist?
Speaker 3: I have never se what he's literally blood letting himself.
Speaker 5: Yes, he cuts his hand and they and they put
Speaker 5: it into a glass and then there's another guy who
Speaker 5: does it and they drink it.
Speaker 3: That's a good way to get aid from Texas.
Speaker 5: Kenneth Copeland yep, yep.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I must look this up.
Speaker 5: We have to like that guy is.
Speaker 4: We've heard him talk shit about his private fleet of
Speaker 4: airline right about how you can't fly with the regular.
Speaker 1: People because they're demons and things.
Speaker 5: And yes, hang on, let let me let me share
Speaker 5: this with you. Hang on, I'll put it in the
Speaker 5: chat here.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was back in twenty twenty three that he
Speaker 2: was doing that. That wasn't even that long ago.
Speaker 1: Last year.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, technically, technically, yep, this is This is from
Speaker 5: Reddit here, someone had posted this. It's the demonic possession
Speaker 5: of Kenneth Copeland. It's you know, he is bananas. He
Speaker 5: is great up nuts man.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's full on psychopath like and we've we've covered
Speaker 2: him to some extent. I wish that I had known
Speaker 2: about this whole blood letting charade. That is definitely that
Speaker 2: is not of the light or of Jesus.
Speaker 3: I I would say.
Speaker 1: Show ain't.
Speaker 2: So let's see what this looks like here. So here's
Speaker 2: your boy. Fucking looks like a demon too, doesn't he.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bro, that's either this isn't the one where he's
Speaker 5: blood ledding or demonic. Yeah, yeah, so this he's not
Speaker 5: blood letting in this one. But it's just it's it's
Speaker 5: it's him being crazy, man, it is him.
Speaker 3: More the more we.
Speaker 7: Learn about this, the covernor of CRD, what blood the
Speaker 7: blood of this covenant tort.
Speaker 6: Cut the covenant with his father gone Holory.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like more, it's a old there's calm, hope,
Speaker 8: they're calm.
Speaker 6: Oh, don't ever do it. Don't ever feel sorry for yourself,
Speaker 6: don't ever know it Absolutely stunning, shous deelish, it's so.
Speaker 8: Good pany me like Moses, and he'll live one hundred
Speaker 8: and twenty years in the said.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, here, I'm preaching, brother preacher, brother preacher Josh
Speaker 5: before the crown, and we have a healing covenant.
Speaker 3: Twelves me the pure.
Speaker 6: Shpotlish blood of God and ash. It was performed for
Speaker 6: me ish my blood brother, and my father is my friend.
Speaker 8: And as he is, sure we in this world, Glory
Speaker 8: to God.
Speaker 1: I don't have it. I never will have it.
Speaker 6: And I don't mind telling you I'll never be shit
Speaker 6: again in my life hereafter forever, not one time.
Speaker 3: I will never say what today?
Speaker 2: We know your mama, Okay, I mean we've covered this
Speaker 2: guy before, and that's why it's not exactly surprising to
Speaker 2: me that somebody like this would be doing the whole
Speaker 2: blood let anything.
Speaker 3: So explain that. So he in one of his homeboys.
Speaker 2: They cut down their hand and they squeezed it into
Speaker 2: a cup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they trade.
Speaker 5: It and they yeah, and they drank it. They put
Speaker 5: it into one cup if I if I do it,
Speaker 5: call they put it into one cup and they both
Speaker 5: drank it together, you know, And he was like, oh
Speaker 5: I can taste his blood.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 3: The fuck is wrong with people.
Speaker 5: That guy is is possessed man, that like, if we
Speaker 5: wanted to say, like the Antichrist is someone who's supposed
Speaker 5: to portray to be like of God and to make
Speaker 5: a mockery of it, Well, he's doing a good job.
Speaker 5: He's doing a good job.
Speaker 3: Yeah he is, dude, Yeah, that is.
Speaker 5: Actually he's doing a crazy job because like it's so
Speaker 5: blatantly he's supposed to trick people. And I'm like, how
Speaker 5: is that a trick? That that guy is just nuts? Oh?
Speaker 2: Bro, We've said it before. He is the pastor from
Speaker 2: Little Nikki. You remember Little Nikki without him saying that's
Speaker 2: who that is?
Speaker 6: Ye?
Speaker 2: Like on yes, and so yeah, I don't know. You know,
Speaker 2: I I have a question for you, though, and this
Speaker 2: is something that I ponder quite frequently. I've asked other
Speaker 2: people as well, but just your thoughts. So, you know,
Speaker 2: on this whole journey of trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: the truth is, which religion is right, which spiritual ideology
Speaker 2: is right, what is the actual core truth? Where do
Speaker 2: we come from, where are we going? What is the
Speaker 2: whole purpose of all this kind of stuff? And I've
Speaker 2: kind of been on this journey here for a few
Speaker 2: years now, and I've been, you know, trying.
Speaker 3: I feel like I've learned a little bit along the way,
Speaker 3: for sure, But.
Speaker 2: There are there's there's a question out there that some
Speaker 2: people say that whenever they eventually get back to Christianity,
Speaker 2: after going through all the different religions and all the
Speaker 2: different spiritual philosophies and stuff like that, that they found
Speaker 2: that the absolute truth was within Christianity. And there I
Speaker 2: always found that kind of strange. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say it's wrong, but I just wonder, you know, what
Speaker 2: exactly did you go through in order to get there?
Speaker 3: And the question that I have is that, all right.
Speaker 2: Let's say your you were just born your age right now,
Speaker 2: what'd you say?
Speaker 3: You're forty right now?
Speaker 5: Forty eight?
Speaker 2: Oh, you don't look a day over forty seven, but
Speaker 2: let's just say, all right, you're forty eight, right, and
Speaker 2: for some reason or another, you're born into a forest.
Speaker 2: You never talk to anybody, you have your logical brain
Speaker 2: that you do have right now, but you were just
Speaker 2: kind of maybe even shifted into another dimension and you're
Speaker 2: just somehow in this forest, right and you see all
Speaker 2: the birds, and you see the foxes and deer and
Speaker 2: all that other shit, right, and you're trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what am I doing here? What is the purpose
Speaker 2: of even being here? What is here? What does that
Speaker 2: even mean? Kind of situation, and you're and so maybe
Speaker 2: you learn to meditate, or maybe you learn to sit
Speaker 2: by yourself and you look up at the stars every night,
Speaker 2: and maybe you whenever you build a fire to keep
Speaker 2: yourself warn you're staring into the fire and you're trying
Speaker 2: to figure out certain meanings and all that fun jazz.
Speaker 2: I feel like, and call me crazy for saying this.
Speaker 2: I feel like most people would not come on their
Speaker 2: own terms to finding that Jesus or the Bible or
Speaker 2: that Christianity or any religion for that matter, would be
Speaker 2: the answer if you were there to sit there by yourself.
Speaker 2: And that's something that I that I ponder like quite
Speaker 2: often because if the answer is kind of within us,
Speaker 2: and even the Bible, you know, it relates back to
Speaker 2: the Kingdom of Heaven is within you and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: it just makes me wonder, like, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure out the nature of this reality, and
Speaker 2: I feel like if you have to learn it from
Speaker 2: another human, like, how do we know that those humans
Speaker 2: were absolutely right too, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: all right, So just to get back to the first question,
Speaker 2: if you were just stranded in the woods your first
Speaker 2: day here, you're a forty something year old man, and
Speaker 2: you're trying to figure out why you're here, where would
Speaker 2: your mind go?
Speaker 5: Where's McDonald's.
Speaker 3: No, nah ah.
Speaker 5: No, I would say, I don't eat McDonald's at all anymore.
Speaker 5: But I would say, you know, like if we're saying, like,
Speaker 5: you know, what is right? The Mormons are right, first
Speaker 5: of all. No, but but like the teachings of Jesus,
Speaker 5: I think are are what we need to be following,
Speaker 5: you know, like the Old Testament is a history book. Okay,
Speaker 5: this is the history of what happened. And people will
Speaker 5: be like, oh, that's bullshit. No, Like we we know
Speaker 5: many cultures all tell us about a historical flood, you know,
Speaker 5: like a diluge that, and it's in the Bible, you know,
Speaker 5: And and so we do we throw away the rest
Speaker 5: of the Bible because we don't believe this or we
Speaker 5: don't believe that. But there's there's things in the Bible
Speaker 5: that have come to play.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I totally believe that the Fallen angels, you know, were
Speaker 5: a part. It's just that I think that many stories
Speaker 5: got miss misconstrued. You know, when we talk about like
Speaker 5: the the Greek gods, you know, like Zeus and you know,
Speaker 5: Besidon and everything, those are your fallen angels. There their
Speaker 5: sons or you know, like the men of Renown, you know,
Speaker 5: like Hercules and stuff like that. Those were the Nephilim.
Speaker 5: They were born of gods and of and I'm not
Speaker 5: answering your question, but I'm just going off on a
Speaker 5: little tangent here. But they were born of like you know,
Speaker 5: of human women and of these gods, and they created
Speaker 5: the Nephilum, which was like Hercules and everything else. But
Speaker 5: going back to this, in the end, Jesus taught us,
Speaker 5: you know, do wanto others as you would have them
Speaker 5: do onto you. It's golden rule. And you know, like
Speaker 5: we can go to all these other religions, we can
Speaker 5: go to Buddhism.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: It's just the base core of many of them is
Speaker 5: just be a damn good person, you know, don't be
Speaker 5: an asshole. And it if you feel that you need
Speaker 5: to kill people because your religion tells you to, you
Speaker 5: there's something wrong. Okay, you need to reconsider things, and
Speaker 5: you need to come back. I don't believe any of
Speaker 5: that is correct, though. I believe in protecting oneself, and
Speaker 5: if I have to kill someone to protect some myself
Speaker 5: and my family, so be it. But it's not like
Speaker 5: I am going out there looking to do that. I'm
Speaker 5: just I'm just looking to protect myself and my family.
Speaker 5: So if I wake up in the forest, what am
Speaker 5: I going to do? What's the first thing is coming
Speaker 5: on my mind? Is, you know, is basic is survival.
Speaker 5: But if I don't have to worry about survival, perhaps
Speaker 5: it's exploring. And I actually, I know this is not
Speaker 5: really answer your question, but I believe that at heart
Speaker 5: we're all explorers, which takes us back to us looking
Speaker 5: for answers, you know, like I believe most of the
Speaker 5: land has already just been discovered, So we don't have
Speaker 5: that explorer of discovering land, but we have the explorer
Speaker 5: of discovering truth. Whether it be these mysteries of the
Speaker 5: Bermuda Triangle, which was like my one of the ones
Speaker 5: that I love growing up as a child, or it's cryptids,
Speaker 5: or it's you know, Antarctica, is it what, what's past?
Speaker 5: What's passed. Aren't that Antarctica? Or what is the truth
Speaker 5: with World War two? You know the yeah, Germany lost,
Speaker 5: but the nazis one. You know. Let's uh, you know,
Speaker 5: there's so many truths out there that were being hidden
Speaker 5: from us, that us you know, you guys myself, we
Speaker 5: are explorers into trying to discover the truth. And I
Speaker 5: think if I was lost in a land, I would
Speaker 5: and I woke up there, I would I'd be searching
Speaker 5: for truth. That is what I'd be.
Speaker 2: Doing, right right, Yeah, I mean, I guess you know,
Speaker 2: my mentality has always kind of been like I like
Speaker 2: to search for truth from within, and I feel like
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of things that you can learn.
Speaker 2: The deeper you go into meditation, the deeper you go
Speaker 2: into thought, the deeper you go into even using psychedelics
Speaker 2: if that's something that you're into. But like, you know,
Speaker 2: I just that's I feel like it's a you want
Speaker 2: to talk about like not having any more land to explore,
Speaker 2: I feel like the mind is the most fascinating place
Speaker 2: to explore, and I feel like a lot of answers
Speaker 2: are really found there and not not even necessarily to
Speaker 2: make it a religious thing or anything like that it
Speaker 2: was just kind of like a I don't know, like
Speaker 2: a weird question that I do like asking certain people
Speaker 2: because it's it's almost like, you know, listening to religion
Speaker 2: and certain people say, well, mine's right, No, mine's right, No,
Speaker 2: mind's right, and it's like, like, how do you even
Speaker 2: how can we be sure of any of it? You know,
Speaker 2: like you're kind of taking on somebody else's word.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like in the end, I think if you're out
Speaker 5: there saying mine's right and yours is wrong, I feel
Speaker 5: that's coming from a place of ego, and you know,
Speaker 5: we're going to like a new age kind of bullshit
Speaker 5: kind of thing. But I do believe I you know,
Speaker 5: what I did learn from there, There were some good things.
Speaker 5: But I believe, you know, if again, we have the
Speaker 5: choice of free will, if someone wants to and if
Speaker 5: they're doing something and it's not harming anyone, you know,
Speaker 5: and and they're bettering the world because of it, go
Speaker 5: for it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree.
Speaker 2: So anyway, like, let's let's get off of all this
Speaker 2: religious stuff because I feel like we cover it a
Speaker 2: lot and I and it's not enough. It's not to
Speaker 2: say that somebody's right or somebody's wrong. It's just I like,
Speaker 2: you know, exploring other people's perspectives and whatnot. But you
Speaker 2: you you mentioned that you tried ayahuasca and then you
Speaker 2: talked about that whole kind of ceremony. Did you have
Speaker 2: the whole purging effect? Like were you shitting yourself and
Speaker 2: throwing up? That's what a lot of people say about.
Speaker 5: It, so yeah, that that is a common thing for
Speaker 5: people to get up and go and vomit. I never did.
Speaker 5: I never threw up. Maybe I should have, but I
Speaker 5: I I'll be honest, I didn't feel comfortable in that scenario.
Speaker 5: Wasn't like I was like, didn't feel safe. I hate
Speaker 5: saying that it was my safe space. Now I don't
Speaker 5: give a crap about that, but I just needn't feel comfortable,
Speaker 5: and like there's a lot of people and this was
Speaker 5: their normal church, and I was invited by a shawman
Speaker 5: actually to attend this church, and and and for me
Speaker 5: it was like, okay, it just I didn't feel comfortab Well,
Speaker 5: it's kind of like going to a friend of a
Speaker 5: friend's house and then you know you're you're not part
Speaker 5: of the main group. You're kind of like hanging out
Speaker 5: on the outside. And then it just felt kind of
Speaker 5: awkward a little bit. So I would definitely like to
Speaker 5: try ayahuasca again, but on in a different location, a
Speaker 5: different setting.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah, I was just curious. I've it's
Speaker 2: it's kind of comparable to DMT though, isn't it, but
Speaker 2: it lasts longer, right.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah? Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 5: So we were doing three rounds, and each round though,
Speaker 5: like you do the first one and then they'd sing
Speaker 5: a bunch of songs and it was like forty minutes.
Speaker 5: I would say, around there, and then we do another
Speaker 5: shot of it, and then you do another round. And
Speaker 5: after the second though, I was starting to get like,
Speaker 5: holy crap, this is intense, Like do I want to
Speaker 5: do the third? And my wife was there at the time,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, okay, if my wife goes up, I
Speaker 5: better go up and take my third shot, and so
Speaker 5: she did so like okay, okay, let's.
Speaker 1: Go do this.
Speaker 5: But it was it was intense. It was very very strong,
Speaker 5: and like it was slightly his hallucinogenic, but it was
Speaker 5: more of like when I closed my eyes, I was
Speaker 5: going places and I wanted to do that. That's what
Speaker 5: I really wanted to do, But of course, you close
Speaker 5: your eyes and they're like no, you get a tap
Speaker 5: on the shoulder. You know, you your eyes would be
Speaker 5: closed for maybe a minute and then you get a
Speaker 5: tap on the shoulder and it's like no, you please
Speaker 5: continue to sing and do your work.
Speaker 3: Wow, do your work.
Speaker 2: So your work would be then chanting and doing what
Speaker 2: everybody else is doing. It's kind of is it like
Speaker 2: a healing ceremony kind of situation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's like it. You know, when you're saying,
Speaker 5: like you need to go you know, your shadow work
Speaker 5: and do that. That is what it was all about.
Speaker 5: But you know, like I think, uh, you know, one
Speaker 5: thing is like like imagining and using using your imagination
Speaker 5: to to visualize. So that's what I'm looking for. To
Speaker 5: visualize is very very important and in my opinion, when
Speaker 5: you're doing shadow work and you know, for me, it's
Speaker 5: kind of closed your eyes and visualize what you know,
Speaker 5: what needs to be done and kind of go there
Speaker 5: and deal with stuff. But no, it's like no, sing,
Speaker 5: chant your songs. Sing these songs, shake that rattle and
Speaker 5: uh and go.
Speaker 2: That is so trippy, dude. I'm uh, I'm kind of scared, dude.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be real with you, because I did DMT
Speaker 2: one time, or I did it twice, but in one night,
Speaker 2: and the first time was awesome. The second time literally
Speaker 2: the scariest thing I've ever had happened to me in
Speaker 2: my life. I am forever stamped, like by that experience.
Speaker 2: It was almost like branding me. It was like, I'll
Speaker 2: never forget it. And so whenever you would close your eyes,
Speaker 2: you would see like a bunch of fractals and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, like a bunch of the.
Speaker 5: Direct well like like I would say, actually when I
Speaker 5: went home, when I finally went home, I was seeing
Speaker 5: fractical fractals. When I was just like looking up at
Speaker 5: the street lights, you know, I started I started seeing
Speaker 5: things coming down and it looked like everything looked like
Speaker 5: it was raining too. I swore it was raining white
Speaker 5: light rain, like actual light, oh on everything. That is
Speaker 5: one thing I saw. And this was like a couple
Speaker 5: of hours after after it was you know, so I
Speaker 5: was I was pretty down already, you know, but I
Speaker 5: was still seeing all this stuff and it looked like
Speaker 5: it was raining white light particles.
Speaker 2: That is freaking awesome, raining white light particles. That is
Speaker 2: probably one of the coolest phrases ever, so like as
Speaker 2: far as all right, so kind of sticking into this
Speaker 2: weird dimension I saw that you you like to cover
Speaker 2: like a lot of UFO kind of stuff is there.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on UFOs? I mean, I know
Speaker 2: that some people, you know, they'll say that, well, some
Speaker 2: of them are obviously like government controlled weird technology that
Speaker 2: we don't know about yet. But in taking away those
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the real UFOs. What do you think
Speaker 2: they are? Do you think they're coming from other planets,
Speaker 2: other dimensions?
Speaker 3: Are they good? Are they bad? What are your thoughts
Speaker 3: on that?
Speaker 5: All the above so good and bad? So I definitely
Speaker 5: believe that. And and this this was kind of a
Speaker 5: revelation that I had with the show, was I thought
Speaker 5: aliens were out of this world from another, you know,
Speaker 5: another like universe, different universe and coming to visit us
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. But I'm I'm coming to the
Speaker 5: point where I'm realizing that some of them, like when
Speaker 5: you're saying government controlled, yeah, some of them I actually
Speaker 5: believe are possibly from like New Schwabenland, that are from
Speaker 5: these breakaway civilization of Germans, the Nazis that actually you know,
Speaker 5: separated won the war they won the war. If people
Speaker 5: don't realize that Germany lost the war, the Nazis won.
Speaker 5: But also I do believe that they are demons as well.
Speaker 5: I believe that UFOs and aliens are demons there. And
Speaker 5: some people are like, oh, you know, they're there. And
Speaker 5: I do believe if they're demons, that means they're also
Speaker 5: angels and they're also good. I think it's actually you.
Speaker 5: You have to have that balance. It can't be just
Speaker 5: one or the other. But the ones that are abducting you,
Speaker 5: guess what you're You're being abducted against your will. That
Speaker 5: is not good. There's nothing good about that. I don't
Speaker 5: give a shit if they say they're, you know, from
Speaker 5: the galactic Federation of Light or they're your your galactic family.
Speaker 5: If you are being abducted against your will, they are
Speaker 5: not good. And and I do believe that there comes
Speaker 5: into play of demons possibly and demons. A lot of
Speaker 5: people think demons are like a physical thing. Demons are
Speaker 5: a a spiritual thing. There there are disembodied spirits that
Speaker 5: will possess something and and and and through that then
Speaker 5: they can which gets us into the nephil And when
Speaker 5: the nephiline died, they their spirits don't go anywhere. They
Speaker 5: they they don't go to heaven, they don't go to hell.
Speaker 5: They're kind of stuck in limbo. So they, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: become demons that will then possess things, and they possess
Speaker 5: things so that they can actually have a body again
Speaker 5: and feel and eat and taste and smell, because of
Speaker 5: course they want that. But they're also of course extremely
Speaker 5: jealous of us. So you know, when we talk about
Speaker 5: the grays, the grays are like a like an AI
Speaker 5: type of construct, like almost like a homunculus of sort.
Speaker 5: That's being like a drone. Yes, yeah, like a drone,
Speaker 5: but that can be possessed. It's kind of like you
Speaker 5: can go inside this, so you can put your consciousness
Speaker 5: inside these the grays, because they are just these mindless,
Speaker 5: kind of autonomous beings and that can be possessed by
Speaker 5: demons of sorts. Now, if that with all that being said,
Speaker 5: is that if demons and fallen angels and evil entities
Speaker 5: are aliens, that means that on the flip side, angels
Speaker 5: and have to be related to that as well, because
Speaker 5: they were one and the one and the same at
Speaker 5: one point. So but if you're being abducted. Sorry, that's
Speaker 5: not good. But if you aren't, well that's you know.
Speaker 5: Then if they're approaching you and talking to you and
Speaker 5: explaining and they're not trying to hide their identity, well
Speaker 5: then I would say, then okay, then you got something
Speaker 5: good going on here and whatever it is, you know,
Speaker 5: but still always be aware, always be conscious.
Speaker 2: What about No, I was just gonna say, what about
Speaker 2: the people who, uh, they say that they're being abducted,
Speaker 2: but it's like we we had this one person came
Speaker 2: on and uh, she talked was it Karen Wilkinson, Karen
Speaker 2: Karen Wilkerson or something like that.
Speaker 5: But basically friend of mine.
Speaker 3: Oh, she's great.
Speaker 2: But she was saying that this kind of stuff wasn't
Speaker 2: physically happening to her, that it was almost like.
Speaker 3: Her soul or her.
Speaker 2: Spirit that was being taken into these other places. And
Speaker 2: so if you're not physically being taken, is that a
Speaker 2: different kind of situation then.
Speaker 5: Oh, I still think it's the exact same thing. I
Speaker 5: think the end purpose of these abductions is to create
Speaker 5: a genetic not necessarily a clone of you, but to
Speaker 5: create something. Okay, this is my theory is that they
Speaker 5: are trying to create hybrids so that when their spirit
Speaker 5: can inhabit that and when this hybrid dies, they can
Speaker 5: access heaven and actually get in through the back door
Speaker 5: and possibly kind of like like espionage or get in
Speaker 5: there and like terrorist acts kind of thing. It's like,
Speaker 5: this is my key if I can get into this
Speaker 5: and I can make it as similar as a human,
Speaker 5: that I have a access back in. Because let's be honest,
Speaker 5: I believe that that is exactly what they're trying to do.
Speaker 5: They're trying to get back in. So they create these
Speaker 5: hybrids it is to to access and to get back in.
Speaker 3: So it's like hacking the system. Then at that point.
Speaker 5: Exactly, yeah, exactly, like you can hide within and let's
Speaker 5: let's try to get back in. And what I was
Speaker 5: going to say is in Mexico here, I've actually seen
Speaker 5: a couple of UFOs myself. It's uh, and we're talking
Speaker 5: about UFOs prior. I just I'll give you a quick
Speaker 5: rundown of what I seen. I was in the northern
Speaker 5: state of Chihuahua, and I was in a grocery parking
Speaker 5: lot standing there and again something look up. You know this,
Speaker 5: It's not like someone's telling me, but it's just like
Speaker 5: this urge to look up. So I looked up and
Speaker 5: floating above me. I don't know how high up it was,
Speaker 5: but it was fairly high. Was this And this sounds
Speaker 5: the strangest thing ever, but until I've actually seen a
Speaker 5: video of someone else taking a video of it, was
Speaker 5: like this plasma cloud. Okay, So it was this white
Speaker 5: cloud the sky. There there's no clouds in the sky,
Speaker 5: but there's this white cloud thing. But it is changing shape.
Speaker 5: It is undulating and moving all over on itself. It's growing,
Speaker 5: and it's moving in all these different directions just above me.
Speaker 5: I'll standing there and I'm like the middle of the day.
Speaker 5: I think it was like a eleven eleven eleven am.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, does does anybody else see this?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 5: And I see this, say, it's moving all around. Then
Speaker 5: over off in the far left distance, I see two
Speaker 5: triangular craft okay, and they're on like an intercept course
Speaker 5: for one another, not like this thing is still going on.
Speaker 5: And so I'm looking back and forth at these two things.
Speaker 5: And I missed the point of these two craft intercepting.
Speaker 5: But what I did see was there's now one and
Speaker 5: so there is these two craft that are now possibly one.
Speaker 5: I'm assuming that they have merged somehow into one, and
Speaker 5: it's flying across this and then this white plasma cloud
Speaker 5: just dissipates and goes away. And then this craft at
Speaker 5: a and it's not an airplane, Like, let's be honest,
Speaker 5: it's not an airplane. What it was I don't know,
Speaker 5: but a lot of people describe UFO as are like
Speaker 5: flying across no, no, no, this took its leisure leisurely
Speaker 5: time flying across the horizon. And it was approximately thirteen.
Speaker 5: Because I timed it on my phone, I could not
Speaker 5: get a good picture, so instead I called my wife
Speaker 5: and I'm like, this is what I'm seeing. I'm right
Speaker 5: here in the Sordiana parking lot and I'm seeing this
Speaker 5: this this above me. And I was on the phone
Speaker 5: with her the whole time as I was seeing this song.
Speaker 5: Then I went back with my really good camera, took
Speaker 5: some panoramic pictures of it all and kind of plotted
Speaker 5: it out all the course that this, uh, these two well,
Speaker 5: these things flew.
Speaker 2: So what are they doing then, Like, let's say that
Speaker 2: all the weird alien craft that's up in the in
Speaker 2: the sky, let's just for example, say that they are
Speaker 2: all demonic. Okay, why why would they be showing up
Speaker 2: in the skies in these weird, seemingly very advanced craft.
Speaker 2: I mean, is it just to get people to notice?
Speaker 2: Is it is it to get people to I mean,
Speaker 2: what do you why would they even be showing themselves
Speaker 2: in the sky if they are demonic?
Speaker 5: Well, of course, if some people will come away from religion,
Speaker 5: will move away from religion because they say, well, there's
Speaker 5: another species, another race. A lot of religions believe that
Speaker 5: it's they're the only species or race there. So if
Speaker 5: you can cause doubt, what wouldn't you know that that
Speaker 5: would pull some people away right there, because they're like, well,
Speaker 5: we're you know, humans are supposed to be the only ones. No, no,
Speaker 5: we're not that. That doesn't mean that that's truth, but
Speaker 5: some people will believe that, so they're seeing that. Possibly,
Speaker 5: would you not, like, you know, try to present yourself
Speaker 5: and I would say a lot of like a lot
Speaker 5: of people like believe that demons and these evil entities
Speaker 5: are going to come off and they're going to know
Speaker 5: that they're evil. They're going to know that they're demons. Well,
Speaker 5: if if I'm trying to convince you to come into
Speaker 5: my cult. Would I do it with like like this
Speaker 5: terrifying kind of fear to bring you in, or would
Speaker 5: I be like, hey, here's some free candy, come get
Speaker 5: in my van. You know kind of that type of
Speaker 5: mentality is to try to convince people. So you know,
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that by showing yourself that's what's happening.
Speaker 5: But I'm saying that a lot of times when when
Speaker 5: people are being approached, like I have this one lady
Speaker 5: who you know, she goes on and on about how
Speaker 5: her galactic family is the greatest thing ever. And she's
Speaker 5: been abducted I don't know how many times. And I'm like,
Speaker 5: abduction though that there we go. It means you're being
Speaker 5: stolen against your will. That is not good.
Speaker 2: And she talks about how it's like a good time. Yes, yes, well,
Speaker 2: like what does she say is actually happening whenever she's
Speaker 2: being abrupted.
Speaker 5: I haven't dove too deep into it because I I
Speaker 5: think she's a bit of a looney tune, Okay, but
Speaker 5: I'm it's not It's not that I'm saying I don't
Speaker 5: believe her. I do believe her. But we got into
Speaker 5: a bit of a disagreement about something, and her argument
Speaker 5: go to was, well, you know, you can't handle having
Speaker 5: a discussion with a woman, you know, And I'm like, what, like,
Speaker 5: like you you can't.
Speaker 1: You're just sexist, biggot.
Speaker 4: Yes, the narrative as soon as they back themselves into
Speaker 4: a corner as it goes to.
Speaker 5: It, it was that I'm like, I don't give a
Speaker 5: shit if you're a man, you're a woman, you're you know,
Speaker 5: a chipmunk or a squirrel or you know, bigfoot. This
Speaker 5: is my same argument. I don't care, I don't give
Speaker 5: And it's kind of like they throw that on you
Speaker 5: and it's like, yeah, you just couldn't handle it because
Speaker 5: I'm a woman. I'm like, give shit that you're a woman,
Speaker 5: Like keep throwing throw throw your gender shit out the window,
Speaker 5: and uh, let's have a conversation.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's like a low hanging It's like
Speaker 2: a low hanging fruit, almost like a pull this in
Speaker 2: case of emergency, let's call everybody a bigot and a sexist.
Speaker 2: You know, Like, I hate how watered down that has gotten,
Speaker 2: because now whenever somebody calls somebody a sexist or a bigot,
Speaker 2: it's just like I mean, how many times are you
Speaker 2: gonna cry a wolf? Eventually somebody actually is going to
Speaker 2: be a racist, or somebody actually is going to be
Speaker 2: a sexist or an actual bigot or something like that,
Speaker 2: and nobody's gonna fuck believe you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and no one's gonna care. No one gives a shit.
Speaker 5: You know, We're get to it. You know, I think
Speaker 5: it had it held some water before. And it's kind
Speaker 5: of like the boy he cried. It's like the boy
Speaker 5: he cried wolf, you know it. It doesn't like when
Speaker 5: you're doing it, you're getting all this attention, but when
Speaker 5: it actually does matter, no one's gonna believe you anymore.
Speaker 5: This is gonna be a bunch of bullshit. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: well this guy really is a bigot or this guy
Speaker 5: really is sexist. I don't care. I don't want to
Speaker 5: listen to your shit anymore. You know it. It's let's
Speaker 5: move on past that. It's lost its power and unfortunately
Speaker 5: it really could be real, but I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one step above saying like I'm rubber, you're glue.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's like it's so stupid, like of a retort kind
Speaker 2: of situation, and it's unfortunate that people, you know, resort
Speaker 2: back to that. But you know, I mean, because I
Speaker 2: do like having conversations with people like that, even if
Speaker 2: it's maybe it's just some kind of weird psychological thing
Speaker 2: that this person is experiencing. Maybe it's like a recurring
Speaker 2: dream that she deems as reality, and it could be
Speaker 2: a situation like that, but we're never gonna know, because
Speaker 2: you're too much of a fucking bigot rye exactly.
Speaker 5: That's exactly. And I'm like, yeah, i've gotta I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna watch from Afar and watch it self destruct, you know.
Speaker 5: And we're talking about like looney Tunes things like, it's
Speaker 5: got to be pretty. It's got to be a lot
Speaker 5: pretty evident for me to call it that because like
Speaker 5: the experiences, like some of the experiences that I have.
Speaker 5: I'm sure some people say you're looney Tunes, you know,
Speaker 5: And it's like, and I'm sure you guys run into
Speaker 5: that too, where you see someone they come up to
Speaker 5: you and you're like, I think you gotta trust your
Speaker 5: gut on this. You're like, okay, that's cool, but okay,
Speaker 5: I'll talk to you later, see you later. Bye. And
Speaker 5: but I say that, and one of my recent experiences
Speaker 5: has been my like a looney tune experience, like if
Speaker 5: I went and you know, told someone and like I
Speaker 5: told Brad from Frad from the Awaken podcast, I was like, dude,
Speaker 5: You're never gonna believe what happened to me. This is
Speaker 5: the craziest thing that I've ever happened to me in
Speaker 5: my life. And I've had some crazy shit, like I
Speaker 5: just said, you know, seen in like this plasma cloud
Speaker 5: UFO kind of crap, and and shadow being floating above
Speaker 5: my bed, but none of that compares to what happened recently.
Speaker 5: And and it seems so looney tune. It's it's it's crazy.
Speaker 5: It's the best way to say it is I saw
Speaker 5: a rip in reality and I saw through it to
Speaker 5: the other side.
Speaker 3: Dude, it does feel like that. Trust me.
Speaker 2: I've uh, it takes a lot for me to call
Speaker 2: somebody a whack job or a looney tune or whatever,
Speaker 2: because I've experienced some of the weirdest shit too, Dude,
Speaker 2: Like I tripped on mushrooms one time and I heard
Speaker 2: the yellowheem talking to me. There's another time I tripped
Speaker 2: on Uh, It's kind of like a mushroom and d
Speaker 2: MT kind of mixture, and I was being I was
Speaker 2: being big spooned by a cat person.
Speaker 3: It's like, what does this all mean?
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, like and so there there
Speaker 2: are outliers like that just don't make any kind of
Speaker 2: logical sense, but they happen to you. It's an experience
Speaker 2: that you've gone through and now it's part of your
Speaker 2: story and it's part of like whatever truth you're searching for,
Speaker 2: because now that experience has to fit into the soup
Speaker 2: that is the truth kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And I think that.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people out there that have wild
Speaker 2: experiences that maybe they never want to even tell anybody.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's because they don't have an outlet like we
Speaker 2: do in front of a microphone, or maybe they're scared
Speaker 2: that they're going to be judged by their peers or
Speaker 2: their family members or their friends, so they kind of
Speaker 2: keep it to themselves. And now that it's like weirdly
Speaker 2: sequestering in their mind and it's becoming discombobulated because there's
Speaker 2: no way to be able to get it out and
Speaker 2: tell people and try and formulate a and you know,
Speaker 2: what's actually going on? Kind of situation and it's wild.
Speaker 2: But this shit does happen, bro, Like it's I agree.
Speaker 5: And I told this to Paul Stobs and Paul had
Speaker 5: a similar experience, like I'm like, dude, this is the
Speaker 5: craziest thing ever. And he's like, Okay, this is gonna
Speaker 5: sound even crazier. Is that I've seen that place that
Speaker 5: you're talking about, And he said he saw hat Man
Speaker 5: in it. And I was like, what, So I'll I'll
Speaker 5: just come out and tell you guys what happened. So
Speaker 5: this this happened in August of this year. I pulled
Speaker 5: up to a local grocery store and just a small
Speaker 5: grocery sturtaut like your big ass ones here, It's just
Speaker 5: a just a MoMA, more of a mom and pop
Speaker 5: style one. And as I'm sitting in the car, shit
Speaker 5: starts getting crazy. I start seeing stuff and I'm not
Speaker 5: I'm not on anything.
Speaker 8: And.
Speaker 5: I start seeing like these crazy assue colors start manifesting
Speaker 5: before me. And like I've never seen plasma, I said,
Speaker 5: I saw a plasma looking cloud of that. I don't
Speaker 5: know what plasma is, but this is the best way
Speaker 5: to describe it was all these colors started manifesting before me.
Speaker 5: And I've had people say, oh, that's an ocular migraine.
Speaker 5: I've had this before. It's an ocular migraine. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: but there's more to it. So what happened was it
Speaker 5: formed like this triangle and like a rip, and so
Speaker 5: from one side it was small and it got bigger
Speaker 5: and bigger and bigger. In my field of vision. On
Speaker 5: the outsides of it was like this rainbow looking not rainbow,
Speaker 5: it's kind of like this really bright white, yellow, reddish
Speaker 5: orangish color. And it was like this plasma that's the
Speaker 5: best way I can call it. And if you stare
Speaker 5: at the sun long enough, let's see, you're just staring
Speaker 5: at the sun and you look around, you kind of
Speaker 5: see these crazy ass you know, trailer colors kind of thing.
Speaker 5: That's what I was seeing. So I'm like, okay, okay,
Speaker 5: I need to go into this grocery store. So I
Speaker 5: walk in and it starts manifesting more. Then it starts
Speaker 5: opening up and in behind it through it, I see
Speaker 5: this this world, okay. I see a desolate, apocalyptic style
Speaker 5: looking world. I see rubble rocks laying all around. It
Speaker 5: kind of looks like a bit of a warehouse that
Speaker 5: I'm standing in a warehouse and I'm looking out the warehouse,
Speaker 5: which is kind of funny because I'm in this I'm
Speaker 5: in this grocery store. Then and then I see the sky,
Speaker 5: which is this brown as well. Everything is this brown,
Speaker 5: rusty color. The rocks are like this, and in the
Speaker 5: background are these huge, huge, like industrial style fans. They're
Speaker 5: in a box covered, they're in boxes. They have grates
Speaker 5: on the front. And these fans are slowly turning. And
Speaker 5: something that stuck out to me is they're turning in
Speaker 5: a clockwise counterclockwise motion. You know, They're kind of all
Speaker 5: turning in a counterclock Ey's motion, just slowly, kind of
Speaker 5: like whoo whoo, these big triple or quad blade fans.
Speaker 5: And I'm looking at this and when I turn my head,
Speaker 5: it's not like I'm turning and seeing different areas of
Speaker 5: this area. I'm just seeing this one rip into the world.
Speaker 5: And I close my one eye and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: I still see it. So I close my other eye
Speaker 5: and I still see it. I didn't close both eyes though,
Speaker 5: to see if I can still see this.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 5: I could see this for almost ten or fifteen minutes,
Speaker 5: so I go to the deli section, and I'm like
Speaker 5: trying to deal with people that I can't see because
Speaker 5: my field of vision is completely of scirit, but I
Speaker 5: can see around them. I can see around it on
Speaker 5: the sides. So I order my my cheese and my bacon,
Speaker 5: and I go and pay for it, and again in
Speaker 5: my car and I drive home and I'm still seeing this,
Speaker 5: Like I only live about a block and a half away,
Speaker 5: so I'm trying to be extremely careful and I'm like
Speaker 5: having troubles driving. So I parked the car, go in
Speaker 5: the house and I just tell my wife and I'm like,
Speaker 5: I got a bit of a headache. I need to
Speaker 5: lie down. Which there was no pain or nothing, but
Speaker 5: I laid down and I asked in the name of
Speaker 5: Jesus for this to be taken away, and it went away.
Speaker 5: It went away within about a minute after doing that.
Speaker 5: But this was the craziest thing ever. Was this? It
Speaker 5: was It was this post apocalyptic style looking world. And
Speaker 5: people are like, oh, that's an ocular migraine. I'm like, sure,
Speaker 5: maybe those colors might have been, but I saw through it.
Speaker 5: I saw to the other side. What that was, I
Speaker 5: don't know, you know, was it me piercing the veil.
Speaker 5: I don't know was it seeing, were the disembodied spirits
Speaker 5: inhabit that type of world? It could be. I don't
Speaker 5: know what I saw, but what I saw was real
Speaker 5: enough to me that it scared the shit out of me.
Speaker 2: That is so wild, dude, having an experience like that, Like,
Speaker 2: what do you do with that?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: You know, like, yeah, somebody you know, trying to basically
Speaker 2: break it down scientifically that's an ocular thing going on, maybe,
Speaker 2: but like that's not what my experience was like, because
Speaker 2: something could happen with your eyes. But then there's like
Speaker 2: a whole different vibe that's even going around.
Speaker 3: To where did you feel like maybe you were.
Speaker 2: In like a different dimension? Is that a thought that
Speaker 2: even crossed your mind?
Speaker 5: I felt like I was looking through to a different dimension.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what I thought. I'm seeing through to the
Speaker 5: other side. I'm seeing through the matrix or or something else,
Speaker 5: is what I was. That's what I was thinking in
Speaker 5: my mind. I'm like, Okay, I'm seeing everything for what
Speaker 5: it maybe truly is. Maybe we are living in a
Speaker 5: false like what we see is false and everything is
Speaker 5: maybe all dead like this, And Paul was talking about
Speaker 5: seeing the exact same world. He said he saw like this,
Speaker 5: this hang this hanging sign. It was hanging by one
Speaker 5: chain and it was creaking. And he's seen the hat
Speaker 5: man in this world as well, which is which brings
Speaker 5: credence to that it's possibly this world that's inhabited by
Speaker 5: these disembodied spirits. It's on this other side. And that's
Speaker 5: why they're trying to get out, and they're trying to
Speaker 5: possess us, you know, that's why, because they want out
Speaker 5: of that world, because that world is this apocalyptic world,
Speaker 5: and what we see is this beautiful world. We we
Speaker 5: have these beautiful smells, you know, we have like all
Speaker 5: this nature, all this food, these you know, great drinks, everything,
Speaker 5: And maybe that is why they're like, I just I
Speaker 5: just need to inhabit something, you know. When Jesus cast
Speaker 5: out these demons out of these out of these people,
Speaker 5: I remember, I don't quote me on the scripture of
Speaker 5: what exactly it is, but they said, please don't cast
Speaker 5: us into the abyss, you know, put us into pigs,
Speaker 5: just put us into anything. And it was it was
Speaker 5: maybe to stay within this world, anything anything but the abyss,
Speaker 5: anything but that that area. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, dude, there's I mean, there's something to it.
Speaker 2: I I think that you know that we're not crazy
Speaker 2: for having experienced these with these like weird and wild things.
Speaker 2: I think that it's probably more normal than than most
Speaker 2: people want to believe, you know, Like I feel like
Speaker 2: everybody has that story that they've experienced that, like it
Speaker 2: is so wild. I don't even want to tell you
Speaker 2: the story because then you're gonna judge me kind of wild,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a real thing.
Speaker 7: Brother.
Speaker 2: But but look, look, we we've kept you here long enough.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you coming and hanging out with us. This
Speaker 2: was a lot of fun, dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no problem, Jonathan, I appreciate it as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, brother, Well, let the good cult members out there
Speaker 2: know where they can find you if they want to
Speaker 2: be able to search up you or anything that you're.
Speaker 5: About, all right for sure? Man. Yeah, it's a Codegus
Speaker 5: Codex of curiosities, and it it's pretty easy to spell
Speaker 5: it out. It sounds exactly like it sounds. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm on YouTube, Rumble, uh, Spotify, Spreaker, you know, you
Speaker 5: name it. I'm on it all and I put out
Speaker 5: an episode usually one a week. Maybe sometimes two a
Speaker 5: week if I'm getting a little uh you know, sometimes
Speaker 5: if I just get some back up. And then sometimes
Speaker 5: I do some lives, you know, like Brad and I do.
Speaker 5: We kind of do a bunch of lives together here,
Speaker 5: and then we do some call in shows where we
Speaker 5: get our our listeners and viewers to call in and
Speaker 5: tell tell their experiences.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Brad, He's the one that hooked us
Speaker 2: up so big. Shout out to the homie at Awakened
Speaker 2: Podcast thirty three. He's the man, and we appreciate you
Speaker 2: coming on and hanging out with us. Dude, this was
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you guys having me. This was great. This
Speaker 5: time went the time went by really fast.
Speaker 3: It typically does over here. Yeah it is. It is
Speaker 3: a weird thing, but uh well look this was awesome.
Speaker 6: Man.
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