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<v Speaker 1>Made destange a pace sunny sun on I haddasion my night.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up everybody, it's me Stephanie again opening the show. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just my voice. But guess what, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic guest today. Kaylin's also here give you comfort of home.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am so pleased to bring in my friend

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of years now.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I just feel like for how many it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably been eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the San Francisco show God twenty kind of

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<v Speaker 1>when We Fell in Love nineteen?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that in twenty nineteen or twenty seven?

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<v Speaker 1>Now, it would have been earlier than twenty nine seventeen, Yeah, probably, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it wasn't just a year before COVID Anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>Robin Wazinski, that's my friend and yours. She's been a

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<v Speaker 2>guest on the show before, too to great.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know a palm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, everybody loved her. You you you. You've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of like personal stuff on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>I even did a Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>You did a Patreon that was very personal and touched

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people. How's it going, Kaitlin? Where are

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<v Speaker 2>you going? Just wandering around?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Okay? Sorry, I'm an amateur.

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<v Speaker 2>We run a very loose ship here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice with video games. It's beautiful in here. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys did it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you haven't been in the studio. Okay, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>been at least two years since you've been on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really nice. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

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<v Speaker 2>You have so much news to share, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get to that news. But I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>say hi. I'm want to say hello to our favorite people,

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<v Speaker 2>like Rebecca a little bit. She's your friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's in my pocket right now because she's a

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<v Speaker 1>little cute.

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<v Speaker 2>You're golays so cute. And Kelly Brandt, She's she's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take you places that you want to go. Alicia Ascalante,

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<v Speaker 2>Leslie still coughing, Aaron's a dirty Sanchez, Jennifer stet up, Sandra,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not easy being green. Stephanie's a stinker rinker. Athena.

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<v Speaker 2>We really love your makeup, everything about you. You're dancing

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<v Speaker 2>all the stuff you Sean. Oh yeah, uh, Missy and

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<v Speaker 2>Gabby saw your videos on our in our Facebook group.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys are hilarious, right m hm. Katerina, you know

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<v Speaker 2>you know Valerie hits it out of the Park, Polly,

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<v Speaker 2>We Love your Pancakes, Rita is rock and Elizabeth Williamson's

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred Children and her bassiet Nikki call Your Girl,

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<v Speaker 2>Katie's rolling on e Kelly Lattie Dah and Dick is

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<v Speaker 2>frolicking all right, Yeah, yeah, baby. You know what's funny

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<v Speaker 2>is I do the editing for our classic f col

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<v Speaker 2>shows on Thursdays.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sening. So is that the first time you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever listened to the podcast when you've edited it? Because

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<v Speaker 1>you always yes. But I hate listening.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate listen, Yeah, I do. I do hate listening,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I've gotten kind of used to it because

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<v Speaker 2>I have to listen to shows to find old good episodes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And what's funny is listening to the old shouts because

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<v Speaker 2>some of the people I'm like, oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 2>forgot about her? Yeah, have any of Some of them

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<v Speaker 2>are no, but some of them have just been around forever,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, wow, these people have been supporting us

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<v Speaker 2>for like ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so loyal. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. All Right, So you're kind of sleepy today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, I am operating on about an hour and a

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<v Speaker 1>half of sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I didn't know it was that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that's that's my excuse if this goes totally sideway.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so why are you so tired?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Do you do you want me to like start

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<v Speaker 1>at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Beginning, Yes, start at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So me and Wade, my husband, we are dog people.

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<v Speaker 1>We have always had dogs, and our last set were

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<v Speaker 1>Pumpkin and Pepper are sweet little Wire her dog sins

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<v Speaker 1>and Pumpkin died about a year ago, and previous the

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<v Speaker 1>previous two years to losing her were very labor intensive

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<v Speaker 1>because she was diabetic and super sick and then got dementia,

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<v Speaker 1>so a lot of early morning, sleepless nights, and so

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, so by the time we said goodbye

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<v Speaker 1>to her, like I was ready to be without a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>And I made this proclamation like I think we're done

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<v Speaker 1>with dogs, Like I'm good. We can travel, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to have your parents' dogs that like, I'm I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a lifetime of dogs. I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can attest to that because I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to get another dog? And you were like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely not. You sounded kind of bitchy. Yeah, you were

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<v Speaker 2>like very stern.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, you told me that, so thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, wow, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So then I, you know, little by little, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>been just over a year, I start noticing, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a lot of dogs on Instagram, and my

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<v Speaker 1>friend Janice came over with her little Remy, who's the sweetest,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I started getting that pull.

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<v Speaker 2>Kaki fever.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not going to say anything, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>this when I'm keeping myself. And then Wade like walks

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<v Speaker 1>into the room a couple of weeks ago and said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you're ready for another dog, I'm ready

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<v Speaker 1>to And I'm like shit because I was hoping he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like the barrier. So anyway, it was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>floating out into the universe. And I was in Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend and Janice the one was said, Remy texts

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<v Speaker 1>me from Venice and there's an adoption event and they

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<v Speaker 1>text me a pat.

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<v Speaker 2>So had you shared with Janice that you were maybe

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<v Speaker 2>open to getting a dog?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, when they were over for Wade's birthday

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks ago, they we were talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So of course she gets it in her head and

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<v Speaker 1>she's a total pusher, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone should have a dog. So she's on the lookout

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<v Speaker 1>now and so sends me this picture and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and his name is Tabasco. And I would say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in Vegas, so text Wade and next thing I know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this group text and then Wade's texting me separately

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<v Speaker 1>if you're ready. I am, and it's like okay, we're

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<v Speaker 1>in and Janice is ecstatic and this is all happening

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<v Speaker 1>via text. So she leaves, she had gone home, she

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<v Speaker 1>leaves to go back to the event to try to

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<v Speaker 1>get him, and it.

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<v Speaker 2>So she doesn't have any connection to these people, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Janice is the kind that, now that she's

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<v Speaker 1>met them, she does do you know. I'm sure she's

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<v Speaker 1>introduced herself. They know we're dog now they so she's

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<v Speaker 1>she's kind of like you in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Why does she go to adoption events if is she

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about also getting another dog?

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<v Speaker 1>She loves dogs? Okay, and they were they live in Venice,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm sure they were just out on a walk

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I'm sure part of it was circumstantial, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And uh So she goes back and texts me and says, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to fill it an application, and apparently Tabasca

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<v Speaker 1>was the most popular dog at the event, so you

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<v Speaker 1>need to make it good. And so we start texting

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<v Speaker 1>bullet points and she's like, oh, I'm gonna start working

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<v Speaker 1>on your application.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you sent me a picture of the dog,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, hell, yes, yeah, I know

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<v Speaker 2>this dog is freaking cute. We'll post a picture already post.

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<v Speaker 1>It, okay, only on my small Facebook pok okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>you'll post it in the group. And so now the

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<v Speaker 1>tide has like everyone knows this. It's like a human flaw.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're logical and rational about things until you make

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<v Speaker 1>the decision like now I want to talk. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's no turning back. And I'm like literally talking about

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<v Speaker 1>like how do we find the other people applying and

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe docs them or like whatever needs to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I want this dog. And so uh went back to

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel in Vegas and you know, we pieced together

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<v Speaker 1>this great application and hear nothing. I told you to

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<v Speaker 1>be funny too, and I there was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of funny, okay, And then you kept texting me, have

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<v Speaker 1>you heard anything? Have you heard any I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's I mean, I this was Saturday night. Then Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, they probably don't work on Sunday. I flew

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<v Speaker 1>home and literally when I walk in the door from Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>I get an email that says we'd like to move

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<v Speaker 1>forward with your adoption. And I like, I start crying,

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<v Speaker 1>and when can we FaceTime you to do like a

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<v Speaker 1>digital home inspection or whatever. And I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm home right now, call me right now. And uh

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<v Speaker 1>so it all like within an hour though. So wait,

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<v Speaker 1>so she face times you, she face times me, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to like walk into your backyard and show

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<v Speaker 2>all the fencing exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she kind of just tells me Tabasco's history

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<v Speaker 1>that he's been an owner surrender. The owner has the

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<v Speaker 1>mother who was supposedly Spade and wasn't got pregnant and

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<v Speaker 1>had at least two puppies. She was surrendered with the

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<v Speaker 1>mom and Tabasco and Tabasco.

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<v Speaker 2>So the owners just got rid of all the dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the circumstances behind it, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, But we do know that they always lived outside.

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<v Speaker 1>They had never been in a house. They had minimal

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<v Speaker 1>or no human interaction. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So this poor mama dog had her babies probably outside.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they were pretty worried about socializing them, and

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<v Speaker 1>they said almost immediately, the sister and the mom were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all over the rescue and Tabasco took a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit longer, but cuddly. He loves to be in

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<v Speaker 1>your lap. He wants you to hold him. So I

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<v Speaker 1>within an hour. The person who was fostering him was

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<v Speaker 1>in Woodland Hills and she was at the house with

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<v Speaker 1>our new baby yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the beginning, how did that?

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<v Speaker 1>It was good? You know? She I always call her

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<v Speaker 1>she because three of our last word dogs have been female. He.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, we're not calling him Tabasco because a

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<v Speaker 1>three syllable dog name is too long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've kind and I know you have an issue

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<v Speaker 1>with this, Stephanie, but I want you to try to

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<v Speaker 1>accept it. We're calling him Bosco, got it, because Basco

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<v Speaker 1>is not a name, and it could be, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>calling them Bosco.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Bosco's cute, and it's you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>brown dog's name Bosco is you know, it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>an homage to Bosco, isn't it. Wasn't it Bosco the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of chocolate sauce you put.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't know, but Bosco. Our dog is white?

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<v Speaker 2>You have had a Bossco? Oh no, you're not our.

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<v Speaker 1>Current Yeah he's totally white.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay. So yeah, so so it doesn't make sense

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<v Speaker 2>on several loves.

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<v Speaker 1>One is even a Baco should be like a like

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<v Speaker 1>a red labordoodle, right, so correct, or maybe he has.

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<v Speaker 2>But the dog was misnamed to begin with exactly, But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you. Like when we got Penelope, we were

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<v Speaker 2>they called her Penny and Penelope, but the rescue where

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<v Speaker 2>that took her in was calling her Pepo so we

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<v Speaker 2>which we thought was so dorky at the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we had different names because it was named after our

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of we had some dates there. Anyway, point

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we sort of where we were at too, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And that's how we felt. We were like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>Penelope or Pepo? Besides, just let's just keep it.

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<v Speaker 1>You could call her like Penelope or Pepo, which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we went with that. Okay, so and Bosco Bosco. And

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<v Speaker 1>so this is interesting too in our application because we

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<v Speaker 1>always had littermates and we've always had two dogs, so

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<v Speaker 1>when they emailed me, it just was talking about Tabasco.

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<v Speaker 1>So I asked the rescue about it, and she said,

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<v Speaker 1>we never adopt littermates together because there's something called littermates syndrome,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's where they either are aggressive with each other

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of crazy because we've experienced both with littermates,

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<v Speaker 1>and Wade kind of refuses to believe that that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>not about like separating dogs who need to be together. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was interesting. So it will be the first

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<v Speaker 1>time that we only have one dog and okay, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I should have just turned my phone off. Someone was

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<v Speaker 1>calling me. I don't. So we get him. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>the sun went down, he's like agitated and just wants

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<v Speaker 1>probably where he'll be sleeping, which I also said would

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<v Speaker 2>But well, so when we got Penelope, they told us

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember what they said about where she slept,

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<v Speaker 2>but we were like, our bed was a queen sized

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<v Speaker 2>bed at that time, and it's sparely enough room for us,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And we remembered back when the kid would

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<v Speaker 2>sleep well, Elbe would sleep in our bed. Sometimes Elbe

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<v Speaker 2>was she made it to her own bed and was

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<v Speaker 2>when that we had the twins. Yeah, so she was three.

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<v Speaker 2>Right around that time I think she started she would

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<v Speaker 2>of the night and sleep in our room, in our bed,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was pretty awful for a few years because

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<v Speaker 2>Now she's like a three year old. She's got a

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<v Speaker 2>That went on for a why a long time, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say, like at least a year and a

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<v Speaker 2>half or so of until she was a little bit older.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally one night I had to talk with

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<v Speaker 2>her and I was like, we just don't have room

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<v Speaker 2>in our bed for you. Oh no, this was Elbe.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was Elbe when she was little. So when

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<v Speaker 2>we got Penelope, we were like, we're not having a

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, we don't have room for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Dog in our bed. And John and I were both like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna be strong because we finally got Elbe out

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<v Speaker 2>of the bed. Now we can't we can't be like

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<v Speaker 2>having a sixty pound dog in our bed. So we

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<v Speaker 2>bought her like a nice dog bed and it was

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<v Speaker 2>right at the foot of our bed, but our bed's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of high, so it's not like we could see her.

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<v Speaker 2>And she wasn't, so we were and this went on

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<v Speaker 2>for like six months. She slept in her dog bed,

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<v Speaker 2>but she would always whine to want to come up

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<v Speaker 2>in our bed, and we were like, nope, be strong,

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<v Speaker 2>because we'd heard once they're in your bed, they're not

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<v Speaker 2>out of your bed. It's like a kid, yeah, right right,

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<v Speaker 2>So we were like no, no, no, no no. And

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<v Speaker 2>then one day John looked at me and I looked

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<v Speaker 2>at John and he was like, I don't know. She

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<v Speaker 2>would just like let her up here, and I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just let her up here. Never we could never

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<v Speaker 2>look back because she was so happy curled up with us,

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<v Speaker 2>fell asleep and was like, couldn't have been happier. And

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<v Speaker 2>then would always like stand by the bed and want

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<v Speaker 2>to get up on the bed and we would be

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<v Speaker 2>like all right, And then that was it. And then

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<v Speaker 2>that's what made us go like, Okay, if we're moving

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<v Speaker 2>into a new room, we're getting a king sized bed

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<v Speaker 2>so that because this is ridiculous, because it was like

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<v Speaker 2>having a big child. It was a third person in

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<v Speaker 2>her bed, right, But bosc Go's little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bosco's little. He's only ten pounds and.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll sleep at the foot of your bed probably when

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<v Speaker 2>he gets used to.

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<v Speaker 1>It, and it actually doesn't really matter to me. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean after last night and he didn't settle in until

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<v Speaker 1>five am.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was he doing though? Was he getting agitated

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<v Speaker 2>and wanting to get off the bed and wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>go outside?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and then he would walk around because we have

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<v Speaker 1>a crate, because he slept in a crate. Well, it

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<v Speaker 1>was funny, the foster, she said, well, he sleeps in

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<v Speaker 1>a crate, but he actually slept in my bed.

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<v Speaker 2>The foster said that, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And I you know, I think he'll probably be okay

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping anywhere once he knows he's safe and he's staying

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, nothing bad is going to happen to him.

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<v Speaker 1>But I so today I'm actually going to call a

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<v Speaker 1>trainer just because I want to talk to someone and

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<v Speaker 1>meet with someone about like, I mean, talk about attachment

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<v Speaker 1>and how do we reassure him and you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>I've yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think I've probably dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with this with my other dogs. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually an adult now with a dog who can

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<v Speaker 1>call a trainer to help me and get some guidance

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<v Speaker 1>out what's the best way to enter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you might only need like one or two sessions,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that's a good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean there is not an aggressive bone

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<v Speaker 1>in his body. He is just the sweetest little guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm really happy, but really tired.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it will be a quicker adjustment with

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<v Speaker 2>a dog than like an actual baby.

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<v Speaker 1>I do too, Oh of course. Well, I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>Jack was born, we had Fox terriers and they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of dog. They're naughty and self you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they don't care what you think about them. But

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<v Speaker 1>we Wade and Hair sitting on the couch and I

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<v Speaker 1>think I was nursing and Dotton Dasher just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>in the living room, and Wade looks at me and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, isn't it weird that our dogs are so

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<v Speaker 1>much smarter than Jack at this age? She was like,

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<v Speaker 1>they know their name, they go outside to pee. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like Jack's not gonna know any of that. For a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, I thought that is kind of weird. They're

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<v Speaker 1>much more self sufficient than humans.

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<v Speaker 2>But then they kind of top out, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, I mean, and they can't like solve math problems,

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<v Speaker 2>even like kind of basic exact ones.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't make their own dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, they're like they stand there by their bowl

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<v Speaker 2>like waiting for you to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like open the refrigerator.

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<v Speaker 2>With your pause. Use your pause.

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<v Speaker 1>God gave you pause for a reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's like you can't do anything. You can't open

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<v Speaker 2>the front door and go out for a little walk

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<v Speaker 2>and come back.

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<v Speaker 1>My God, you can't refill your water. God just you

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<v Speaker 1>always play the victim.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, you're good.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just you're really bringing me back to like

430
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<v Speaker 2>the early days with Pepo and I am remembering that.

431
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<v Speaker 2>Like when we first got her. First of all, she

432
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<v Speaker 2>was very attached to Annie, who was the person who

433
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<v Speaker 2>had the rescue, and she'd been with Annie for six

434
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<v Speaker 2>weeks and she did not when we went to meet her.

435
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<v Speaker 2>She had like no interest in us because she was

436
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<v Speaker 2>very focused on Annie. And I was kind of freaked

437
00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.799
<v Speaker 2>out about it, like, oh, I don't know, Like I

438
00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:39.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know why you think the dog is going to

439
00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:43.359
<v Speaker 2>be immediately see you and recognize her new owners, the

440
00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:46.160
<v Speaker 2>people who have come to save her and give her

441
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:48.680
<v Speaker 2>a new life. She was like, no, thank you, I'm

442
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<v Speaker 2>good where I am. I even said to Annie after

443
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:55.000
<v Speaker 2>we'd met her and I was starting to have a

444
00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.640
<v Speaker 2>little bit of cold feet. I was like, I don't know, like,

445
00:24:57.680 --> 00:24:59.160
<v Speaker 2>are you sure you don't want to keep her? Like

446
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.880
<v Speaker 2>she's very attached to you, And Annie was like, yeah,

447
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.799
<v Speaker 2>I can't keep her, like I got six in my

448
00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:08.000
<v Speaker 2>house right now, Like it's I'm trying to like, no,

449
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.279
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be great, you'll see, and I'm like,

450
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. She did not want to have anything

451
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<v Speaker 2>to do with anybody in our family. She just we

452
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.960
<v Speaker 2>went to this place to meet her. It was like

453
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<v Speaker 2>a pet food store and they were doing the adoption

454
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<v Speaker 2>event and we tried to walk her outside and all

455
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<v Speaker 2>she did was cry and pull back inside because she

456
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<v Speaker 2>wanted back with her with Annie.

457
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<v Speaker 1>So how long did it take?

458
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<v Speaker 2>So when she was like, Okay, you're getting the dog,

459
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna just be totally honest, I was really worried.

460
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<v Speaker 2>I was not feeling like, oh my god, this is

461
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<v Speaker 2>our dog. I can't wait. I was like, I don't

462
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how this is going to go because

463
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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't want she doesn't want a new home. She

464
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:54.400
<v Speaker 2>wants the home she's in right now, and I feel

465
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<v Speaker 2>like I'm taking her away. So Annie had like an

466
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<v Speaker 2>assistance and somebody that works with the rescue but who

467
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:05.039
<v Speaker 2>wasn't attached to the dog. She had her come and

468
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:08.400
<v Speaker 2>take Penelope to us. Oh that's a good idea, yeah,

469
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<v Speaker 2>And then so she came in the house. So she

470
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<v Speaker 2>wasn't crying for this woman because she didn't really know

471
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<v Speaker 2>her that well. So she was pretty sweet like the

472
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<v Speaker 2>first day. But I don't think that I think it

473
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<v Speaker 2>took well, oh, here's what happened. She was totally fine,

474
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:35.640
<v Speaker 2>and she was We weren't like super attached to her

475
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:37.519
<v Speaker 2>though yet at this point, and I'll tell you why,

476
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.759
<v Speaker 2>because she wasn't like attached to us yet. But once

477
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.519
<v Speaker 2>she'd spent like a few nights, she started to develop

478
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<v Speaker 2>a routine. And it's always so hard to figure out

479
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:50.640
<v Speaker 2>what your dog's routine is because at first we were

480
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<v Speaker 2>taking her on a lot of walks a day because

481
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<v Speaker 2>we're like, well, she's probably gonna have to go at

482
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<v Speaker 2>like eleven o'clock at night, so we would take her,

483
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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the morning, and then in the afternoon

484
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.559
<v Speaker 2>and then like in the evening and then late night.

485
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<v Speaker 2>So that because we didn't know if she could sleep

486
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<v Speaker 2>through the night.

487
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>So how did she do it? Night?

488
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.720
<v Speaker 2>So this dog did sleep through the night from the

489
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.079
<v Speaker 2>get go, Oka, But she was already we think probably

490
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<v Speaker 2>three or four, right what they told us she was

491
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:20.680
<v Speaker 2>a year, but I don't think she was a year.

492
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I think she was older. And so she went to

493
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 2>sleep all night, So we didn't really have that, but

494
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.640
<v Speaker 2>she did get she had allergies, she had other stuff

495
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:36.400
<v Speaker 2>going on that was like difficult at the beginning, like

496
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 2>some medical stuff. But anyway, I remember taking her back

497
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.880
<v Speaker 2>to go visit Annie and her being like so happy

498
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>to see Annie, and it was a worried me a

499
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit because she was like it was like her

500
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.279
<v Speaker 2>long lot, like her mom. Like she ran at her

501
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:55.880
<v Speaker 2>and like jumped on her and was hugging on her.

502
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<v Speaker 2>But we did it another like six months later, and

503
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 2>she cried for us, like she would look wanted to

504
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.720
<v Speaker 2>see where we were. And I remember thinking, Oh, now

505
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:11.599
<v Speaker 2>she's fully our dogs, Like she doesn't want Annie anymore,

506
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:12.200
<v Speaker 2>she wants us.

507
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she like shifted her attachment, yes, and she.

508
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Was like so, but I mean she was attached to

509
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.680
<v Speaker 2>us well before that, but I mean at that point,

510
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, she doesn't even see Annie as

511
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:27.880
<v Speaker 2>her primary attachment at all. And she was fully like Ann.

512
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<v Speaker 2>It's I think six months in is when we relented

513
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.119
<v Speaker 2>and let her sleep in the bed. And I think

514
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 2>from then on too, she's just she's this dog is

515
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:42.400
<v Speaker 2>like a pack animal. Yes, but she chose me and John.

516
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.599
<v Speaker 2>And the one thing that's been hard is like she

517
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:46.119
<v Speaker 2>never attached to the kids.

518
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh that I I wonder if that's pretty typical though.

519
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Even we tried for a while to have the kids

520
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<v Speaker 2>be in charge of like feeding her and being the

521
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 2>one Nope, she doesn't care.

522
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was that yesterday. Bosco fell asleep on Jack's

523
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.079
<v Speaker 1>lapp and I was at Petco getting all the gear

524
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>and Wade sent me a picture like, Oh, it was

525
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>just so nice because I mean we've always had dogs

526
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.480
<v Speaker 1>with Jack growing up, but in a certain way they

527
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:20.480
<v Speaker 1>haven't been his you know, kind of like you're saying

528
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.839
<v Speaker 1>with your kids. And now that he's twenty two and

529
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>is so much more aware of like how you engage

530
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 1>with a dog and love a dog, I feel like

531
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<v Speaker 1>this will you know, be his dog too.

532
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.240
<v Speaker 2>So that's a good lead into so what is going

533
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>on with Jack as your son? He has autism. You

534
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<v Speaker 2>one time that you were on the show a couple

535
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.839
<v Speaker 2>times ago, you told us the whole story, and I

536
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:49.480
<v Speaker 2>re aired that episode, Oh wow with you telling the

537
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:52.319
<v Speaker 2>story of him as a little kid. But he's come

538
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 2>a super long way. He's been to college.

539
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah and back yep. Yeah. So he went to junior

540
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 1>college for two years because he twenty twenty kid, So

541
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:07.079
<v Speaker 1>the world shut down his senior year, which was devastating

542
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:08.799
<v Speaker 1>for me and I don't think he really gave a

543
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.559
<v Speaker 1>shit because he had never graduated from high school. So

544
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:16.279
<v Speaker 1>he did two years of junior college completely online.

545
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<v Speaker 2>Wow, So his senior year was at home.

546
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, the last three months of his senior.

547
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Year, Okay, so he was like from March, right, and

548
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>then he was So then the whole first year of

549
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>junior college was home.

550
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<v Speaker 1>And it ended up being the first he went both

551
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<v Speaker 1>years online because junior colleges had a much harder time

552
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:43.039
<v Speaker 1>getting back in person just because of the cost.

553
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, interesting, for some reason, I had it in my

554
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<v Speaker 2>head that it was like an online school.

555
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:53.119
<v Speaker 1>No, it was College of the Canyons, College of coc At,

556
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.480
<v Speaker 1>College of the Canyons. And I think he made the

557
00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>choice really to stay in digital class is because I

558
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>know there are classes he could have done on campus,

559
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.240
<v Speaker 1>and so he did go in some that second year,

560
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.519
<v Speaker 1>but it was just so convenient, you know, to be

561
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>doing it online.

562
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Right.

563
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:16.799
<v Speaker 1>And then he went through the whole application process to

564
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:22.039
<v Speaker 1>transfer and got a lot of acceptances to a lot

565
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>of good schools. Because I'm trying to think the first one,

566
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I think the first one he got was UC Davis,

567
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:32.799
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he was super excited and then he

568
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>got San Diego State and Cal State Long Beach and

569
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Cal State North, all the Cal states. He wanted to

570
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:41.160
<v Speaker 1>go to his first choice, and.

571
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 2>I think he got UCSD. You're right, yeah, so that.

572
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.599
<v Speaker 1>You were just that's right. I forgot about that.

573
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Do I remember more about your child than you do?

574
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Probably? Yeah, yes you do. But he his first choice

575
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>was Long Beach and it had been since before he applied,

576
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:07.799
<v Speaker 1>and so we went and visited. It was so weird

577
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>during that time because everything was still kind of shut

578
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.599
<v Speaker 1>down in a weird way, but it wasn't. It was

579
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.319
<v Speaker 1>just hard to get tours. It was. So when we

580
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:23.559
<v Speaker 1>went to the campus, it was very quiet because it is,

581
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 1>for the large part a commuter school, so it didn't

582
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:32.759
<v Speaker 1>have that energy that I think he envisioned. And he,

583
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:35.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, came and he's like, this weekend they're having

584
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:39.799
<v Speaker 1>an orientation at San Diego State. Can we go? And

585
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>the second we walked on campus, he's like, oh, yeah,

586
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.039
<v Speaker 1>I think this is where I want to go. And

587
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:50.359
<v Speaker 1>he was sold from the moment he stepped on campus.

588
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.039
<v Speaker 2>So did he ever go on a tour of UCSD.

589
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>No, because when he had done the tour, San Diego

590
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>State and then got accepted to UCSD like a week later.

591
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I remember him coming out and saying, I just got

592
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<v Speaker 1>into U see San Diego, Like wow, what are you

593
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.599
<v Speaker 1>going to do? I don't know. What do you think

594
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I should do? Like, well, like make a pro con list,

595
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>like go do some research. And he came out ten

596
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>minutes later he's like, I'm going to go to San

597
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Diego State. He liked that they had a football team,

598
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.319
<v Speaker 1>he liked that you know they had It was everything

599
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>he had sort of envisioned college would be. Uh huh,

600
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:36.039
<v Speaker 1>and he took advantage of everything everyone in visions college

601
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>should be. So is Elbie. Yeah, oh my. He did

602
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.359
<v Speaker 1>graduate in four years and he's back at home now.

603
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:50.079
<v Speaker 1>And as anyone who has twenty two year old twenty

604
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>two year old kids, it's rough out there. It's it's

605
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 1>hard to find a part time job. And it's so

606
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:03.119
<v Speaker 1>foreign to me because I'm a teacher. My path was

607
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.279
<v Speaker 1>so predetermined. You know, you go to college, you go

608
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.239
<v Speaker 1>and get your credential, you get a teaching job, and

609
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:12.079
<v Speaker 1>that's what you do. That's for your life, and that's

610
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 1>what I wanted to do. But he has a degree

611
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>in communication and there's no set path, and there's not

612
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:24.559
<v Speaker 1>a credential when you have a communication major. So he's

613
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm trying to just give him space because

614
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm such a control freak and I want everything to

615
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>be decided right now. But it's really been a test

616
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:42.039
<v Speaker 1>for me in like reminding myself he's twenty two. He

617
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know if he would ever talk. It's like,

618
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.679
<v Speaker 1>so let's let him figure stuff out. Because very few

619
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.239
<v Speaker 1>people knew what they were going to do with the

620
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.360
<v Speaker 1>rest of their life at twenty two years old.

621
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<v Speaker 2>So right after he I feel like it was when

622
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<v Speaker 2>he graduated, tell us about out the one, like he

623
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 2>had a couple of job possibilities.

624
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, this is going to be like a

625
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>PSA to people, especially with male children in college. But first,

626
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.639
<v Speaker 1>let me start with the bullet list of things to

627
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.719
<v Speaker 1>tell your autistic kid who's in college that we thought

628
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>everyone just knew. So his senior year, it's probably November

629
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and he calls me. He says, great news, mom, we're

630
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<v Speaker 1>all renewing the least together on this house. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And like we have to sign it by tomorrow or

632
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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to get it. And he's telling me dude,

633
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:53.320
<v Speaker 1>we don't pay your rent after you graduate. Oh my god.

634
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh and it's like God, I guess that should have

635
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<v Speaker 1>been like a sit down of like things. I assume

636
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.440
<v Speaker 1>he knew but didn't, right. So and then I had

637
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.719
<v Speaker 1>the conversation with him because first of all, he was

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00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:11.480
<v Speaker 1>living My god, it was what do you call it,

639
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>like a slum word kind of house. It hid big

640
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<v Speaker 1>house in the neighborhood right across the street from campus,

641
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.679
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of add on. I mean, it's basically like

642
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:26.039
<v Speaker 1>a slum word version of the Wrigley Mansion, No, the

643
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:32.599
<v Speaker 1>one who's the gun, uh, the weird mansion near San Francisco,

644
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:37.000
<v Speaker 1>where like there are staircases that lead nowhere and people.

645
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Are in castle now.

646
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.519
<v Speaker 1>People are yelling at the podcast at their radio right now.

647
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.760
<v Speaker 1>It'll come, it'll come to me, okay, and or someone

648
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.119
<v Speaker 1>will tell us. But it some rooms with no wind,

649
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:53.800
<v Speaker 1>with no windows, no less, no closets, and we're paying

650
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:58.159
<v Speaker 1>twelve to fifty a month, uh huh, plus utilities, plus

651
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:03.559
<v Speaker 1>cleaning the pool, and so it's overpriced. It's disgusting, and

652
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:07.880
<v Speaker 1>he's having a blast. So anyway, that conversation I had

653
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>that we will not be paying your rent. So when

654
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>you're looking for a job, keep that in mind. So

655
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 1>they had a job there, and he had this very

656
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:24.559
<v Speaker 1>legitimate interview with a company that does basically like event planning,

657
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:27.519
<v Speaker 1>and it looked really interesting and I kind of vetted

658
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.559
<v Speaker 1>it and it would have been a great opportunity. He

659
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>got a second interview, he didn't get the job. Then

660
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.800
<v Speaker 1>he gets this other interview and God, you're gonna have

661
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:41.000
<v Speaker 1>to fill in because I have, honestly, for my own protection,

662
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:47.280
<v Speaker 1>blocked a lot of this out. He's telling me about, Okay,

663
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.519
<v Speaker 1>I got a job offer from this new place. Like

664
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<v Speaker 1>let's say they're like embedded design company or what are

665
00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:59.480
<v Speaker 1>some totally rent right?

666
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was like an exterminator company.

667
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that that's another one. Okay, start with that, okay,

668
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:15.880
<v Speaker 1>because I remember that one more vividly. Hey Mom, I

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00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:20.599
<v Speaker 1>have this opportunity, say okay. Opportunity has become such a

670
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>trigger word for me because it's, oh my god, it's

671
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>so bad. I have this opportunity for my roommate to

672
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.079
<v Speaker 1>go live in Washington for the summer and make sixty

673
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.119
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars. I'm like, okay, can I do it to? Like?

674
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>What is this.

675
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:39.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

676
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:44.079
<v Speaker 1>It's like something with like exterminating or extermination or some

677
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:49.199
<v Speaker 1>I okay, look into it because it doesn't sound legit.

678
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

679
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay, calls me again, Okay, I have an interview tomorrow,

680
00:38:54.880 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>and say interview as we're using that term loosely, and

681
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>he calls me back after the interview and says, Okay,

682
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:12.599
<v Speaker 1>so apparently it's not Washington State. It's Washington, d C.

683
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:17.119
<v Speaker 1>But I would have to start in Texas and then

684
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>go to Washington, d C. And then come home. But

685
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 1>I got all the details. Okay, so where do you live?

686
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much do they pay you? Well,

687
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:35.199
<v Speaker 1>if you make your quota, of course you get like

688
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand a week. What if you don't make your quota?

689
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's the name of the company. I

690
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:47.119
<v Speaker 1>don't know. That's when I would have like, what the

691
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.400
<v Speaker 1>fuck did you ask them? Because you haven't been able

692
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:50.840
<v Speaker 1>to answer.

693
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:52.119
<v Speaker 2>But I got all the details.

694
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:56.320
<v Speaker 1>I have all the DC MOMB totally no worries. So

695
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I hang up, just go, oh my god, it's some

696
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 1>weird like multi level marketing thing. I honestly, all I

697
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:09.159
<v Speaker 1>have to put into Google is exterminating college student scam.

698
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:12.840
<v Speaker 1>And the company comes up and I don't remember what

699
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:17.000
<v Speaker 1>they're called, but basically they send these kids door to

700
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:22.920
<v Speaker 1>door trying to sell extermination contracts and then they sell

701
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:27.239
<v Speaker 1>them to like termin X. But who's going to make

702
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:33.159
<v Speaker 1>their quota? And it totally preys on, I think, on

703
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:40.440
<v Speaker 1>young men because they are really appealing to their masculinity,

704
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:45.400
<v Speaker 1>and because Jack is already has like their talk, I said, well,

705
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:48.960
<v Speaker 1>what happens if you don't make your quota? Well, I

706
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 1>am going to make my quota because I'm not afraid

707
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 1>of hard work. Oh and the people who don't make

708
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:59.079
<v Speaker 1>their quota, like they don't get what it takes to succeed.

709
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:02.800
<v Speaker 1>And that he's already repeating clearly.

710
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:05.199
<v Speaker 2>What he's been told in this listen. I'm always I'm

711
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:06.840
<v Speaker 2>abc always be closing.

712
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I got it, So I look. I had a little

713
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>sit down with him and I said, Okay, so let's

714
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:21.880
<v Speaker 1>just play out worst case scenario. You don't make your quota.

715
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.960
<v Speaker 1>You live in their housing and it's eight hundred dollars

716
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 1>a month. You have to pay for your plane ticket

717
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.719
<v Speaker 1>to Texas, you have to pay for your plane ticket

718
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to Washington. You have to pay for your plane ticket home.

719
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>You would be leaving a month before your lease and

720
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.079
<v Speaker 1>you'd have to be paying me twelve hundred dollars for

721
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 1>rent for a house you're not at right, you will

722
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.320
<v Speaker 1>end up owing money. So do you want to spend

723
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:54.400
<v Speaker 1>your last summer in San Diego going door to door

724
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:57.599
<v Speaker 1>in one hundred and twelve degree Texas heat? Or do

725
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.199
<v Speaker 1>you want to stay with your roommates in Sandy Let

726
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:05.760
<v Speaker 1>go and for the last time have no responsibility. And

727
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:06.320
<v Speaker 1>that's sold.

728
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:07.639
<v Speaker 2>So he went to Texas.

729
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Now he's still there?

730
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:13.960
<v Speaker 2>All right? Let me let me tell you this. Scaling

731
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<v Speaker 2>you're looking for great employees. And as you can see,

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745
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<v Speaker 2>Great timing for that, yeah, exactly, So what was the other?

746
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Then there was another one though too, that was another sales.

747
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Thing, another sales thing, and they all they get themselves

748
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:22.400
<v Speaker 1>onto these college apps. I forget what they're called, but

749
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>there's one specific one where kids look for jobs who

750
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.360
<v Speaker 1>are in or graduating from college or trying to get

751
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:32.239
<v Speaker 1>an internship. And again he goes into the office for

752
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:36.840
<v Speaker 1>an interview and his Spidey sense is kind of going

753
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 1>off because the sign on the door is different than

754
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:46.519
<v Speaker 1>the signs in the office. Yes, and they can't really

755
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:52.679
<v Speaker 1>articulate like what he would be doing, but it's basically

756
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.719
<v Speaker 1>they work with like Spectrum or T Mobile and it

757
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:03.199
<v Speaker 1>has something to do with selling Wi Fi or different contracts.

758
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:06.199
<v Speaker 1>So again just screaming in my mind, this is some

759
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:11.800
<v Speaker 1>weird like multi level marketing or you're basically using these

760
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:18.440
<v Speaker 1>kids essentially as cheap labor. Yes, and again going door

761
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:23.320
<v Speaker 1>to door, it's like who it's that's just torture. So

762
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:27.440
<v Speaker 1>thankfully I remember, I'm always somewhere weird. When these phone

763
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.199
<v Speaker 1>calls happened. I was in Nashville last year on my

764
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:33.639
<v Speaker 1>girls trip, and so I had this late night long

765
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:35.960
<v Speaker 1>conversation with him where he and I are looking at

766
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Reddit pages together trying to figure out what this is.

767
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.920
<v Speaker 1>And he said, well, then should I not go on

768
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>the interview or should I not go to sign the papers?

769
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 1>What do you think? Because by now he's skeptical too,

770
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:53.480
<v Speaker 1>and he's doing some research. And I said, look, go

771
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:58.280
<v Speaker 1>in if you want, but you you have no commitment

772
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>to them just because they've quote unquote hired you. So

773
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.440
<v Speaker 1>he goes in and there are like three other people

774
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:13.239
<v Speaker 1>they're also signing a contract. And he realizes now that

775
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.039
<v Speaker 1>one of the guys was a plant because they're talking

776
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 1>about like, okay, so you are going to work six

777
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.679
<v Speaker 1>days a week, and a lot of us like we're

778
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>just such good friends, like we all live together. Oh no,

779
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 1>and like they're asking Jack, like what are you interested in?

780
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.800
<v Speaker 1>And he said, well, I've you know, I've started working out. Oh,

781
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:35.719
<v Speaker 1>we all work out together. We have a gym that

782
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.079
<v Speaker 1>we go to together, and I actually have like a

783
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.280
<v Speaker 1>D and D campaign. Oh my god, so do we

784
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.679
<v Speaker 1>we have our own D and D campaign everything, he says,

785
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.360
<v Speaker 1>So it's a total cult.

786
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

787
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:51.000
<v Speaker 1>The guy who he now thinks is a plant is

788
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:54.400
<v Speaker 1>signing his contract and he's saying, I am just so

789
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:57.920
<v Speaker 1>excited to have a job where I'm gonna have to

790
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>work so hard and not be bored. Oh my god.

791
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:09.079
<v Speaker 1>It was so bizarre, and I, you know, he signed something,

792
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:11.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it doesn't matter you you don't have to

793
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:16.960
<v Speaker 1>go in. So again, it was basically a cult, door

794
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.239
<v Speaker 1>to door, bizarre kind of thing.

795
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.480
<v Speaker 2>But I remember with this one, you were like, I

796
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.039
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be this negative because I think this

797
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 2>happened after the exterminating thing, and you're like, I can't

798
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.400
<v Speaker 2>tell him with each thing, like, no, you can't do that.

799
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 2>It's you know, so you were waiting for him to

800
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:37.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of decide for himself, and then he did.

801
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 1>And he did, and I think that was the phone

802
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>call in Nashville when he's like, holy shit, mom, you

803
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:46.079
<v Speaker 1>were right. And they do this thing where these companies

804
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:49.920
<v Speaker 1>changed their name every six months, so when you go

805
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:53.360
<v Speaker 1>to Google them or check the Better Business Bureau, right

806
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:57.159
<v Speaker 1>they've changed their name. So there's like there's zero digital

807
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:03.000
<v Speaker 1>footprint about like what there actually doing. And I'm sure

808
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:06.960
<v Speaker 1>people listening have had experience with these companies because I

809
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:11.000
<v Speaker 1>have a feeling they just pray on college kids.

810
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to be careful always. Remember when I

811
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Speaker 2>got that job for that psychiatrist.

812
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Or podcast thing or it was, Yeah, it.

813
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Was it was a podcast, but I was doing a

814
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:31.880
<v Speaker 2>radio show. But it sounded it was recommended. It was

815
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 2>recommended by a friend of a friend. It was actually

816
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:36.880
<v Speaker 2>somebody who knows Julie Caseum. So it seemed on the

817
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 2>level at first, you know, so I didn't have any

818
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.079
<v Speaker 2>reason to really question it, and I was like, oh, okay,

819
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:47.079
<v Speaker 2>And then I interviewed with the guy. Yeah, I interviewed

820
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:49.639
<v Speaker 2>and I was all excited. And then I was going

821
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:55.199
<v Speaker 2>to be producing episodes for this radio show. And then

822
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:57.840
<v Speaker 2>it was I was going to so it was I

823
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:00.400
<v Speaker 2>might have had to drive to San Clemente. Well, first

824
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I was going to have to go just to ABC,

825
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.400
<v Speaker 2>which is not that far like Culver City. Then I

826
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:07.280
<v Speaker 2>was going to have to drive to San Clemente. But

827
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the problem was that the day before I had already

828
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.360
<v Speaker 2>produced the first episode. I'd already with you know, I

829
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:17.679
<v Speaker 2>hadn't gone in I'd already done all the research and

830
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.119
<v Speaker 2>like found an interview for it. Blah blah blah. And

831
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.599
<v Speaker 2>then the night before I googled the guy and I

832
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.480
<v Speaker 2>googled the company and it came up with that there

833
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:31.239
<v Speaker 2>had been an FBI raid on the company and all

834
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.000
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. And then remember at the time, doctor Drew

835
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 2>wasn't crazy. I called doctor Drew and I was like,

836
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:40.159
<v Speaker 2>holy shit, this psychiatrist.

837
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't it a rehab kind of it was a rehab facility.

838
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.360
<v Speaker 2>It was a company that owns rehabs. And they've been

839
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.880
<v Speaker 2>called Sovereign Health. They'd been they've been these news stories.

840
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:55.039
<v Speaker 2>They'd been raided by the FBI. And the doctor that

841
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I was, the doctor that I was going to work for,

842
00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.079
<v Speaker 2>was no longer a doctor because he'd been stripped of

843
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:03.519
<v Speaker 2>his medical license and he'd gone to school to like

844
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:07.039
<v Speaker 2>not an actual real school, like one of these weird

845
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.400
<v Speaker 2>like I'm not saying, an online degree, but something that

846
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:11.920
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't really like.

847
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Did he go to the same medical school as you?

848
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much?

849
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.679
<v Speaker 2>But not only that, but that had been taken away,

850
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.679
<v Speaker 2>so he was so he couldn't legally call himself a doctor.

851
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:24.519
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

852
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:27.199
<v Speaker 2>And then I was like what do I do? And

853
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:32.400
<v Speaker 2>doctor Drew's like, well, you know what this happens sometimes,

854
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:35.239
<v Speaker 2>like psychiatrists are really there, tend to be victims of

855
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:39.639
<v Speaker 2>like people come after them and especially rehabs. Like he

856
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:42.480
<v Speaker 2>was on that guy's side, okay, I mean, I don't

857
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:44.480
<v Speaker 2>want to say he was like no, I know that guy.

858
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.280
<v Speaker 2>He's totally on the level. He's like I would go in,

859
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 2>do the job, and then like keep an eye out,

860
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:56.079
<v Speaker 2>see what's going on. So I did. I ended up

861
00:49:56.119 --> 00:49:58.679
<v Speaker 2>going in because it was the next day. I would

862
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:00.800
<v Speaker 2>have had to leave the guy totally high and dry.

863
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:04.239
<v Speaker 2>So I went in and then I was like, wow,

864
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:09.159
<v Speaker 2>like he's not saying that, he's not constantly saying he's

865
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:13.880
<v Speaker 2>a psychiatrist. He's skirting around it, and he doesn't seem like.

866
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I gave it the benefit of the doubt for a while,

867
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:20.119
<v Speaker 2>until I finally realized this guy has like a vendette.

868
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 2>He's just trying to get money from these health insurance companies.

869
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:27.840
<v Speaker 2>His main thing was like he was very mad that

870
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.840
<v Speaker 2>these people weren't reimbursing him because he was being accused

871
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.280
<v Speaker 2>of fraud. And when it became really clear to me

872
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:37.280
<v Speaker 2>that it probably was fraud, and then he wasn't paying

873
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.119
<v Speaker 2>people at his company.

874
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:40.559
<v Speaker 1>And then paying you.

875
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh eventually yeah, well he paid me a check that

876
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.519
<v Speaker 2>bounced and then the funds were frozen. Yes, so that

877
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:52.039
<v Speaker 2>all happened. But also I ended up looking up the company,

878
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.519
<v Speaker 2>which I hadn't done in the first place, on glassdoor

879
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:58.199
<v Speaker 2>dot com and it was just one star. It was

880
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.119
<v Speaker 2>so many people being this guys a fraud, and I

881
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:03.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, wow, now I feel stupid, Yeah, because I

882
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:04.920
<v Speaker 2>did it for like six months.

883
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:07.559
<v Speaker 1>You live and learn.

884
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So what is Jack up to right now?

885
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.000
<v Speaker 1>He's he works part time at DIY, which is just

886
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 1>like a little home improvement store, and he's a cashier

887
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:25.280
<v Speaker 1>and does all the stuff, and he's very into EDM

888
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 1>as you are very familiar with with her daughter. He

889
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.599
<v Speaker 1>would love to be a DJ, so he's often on

890
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:38.639
<v Speaker 1>his board and producing his music. And so this is

891
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:44.360
<v Speaker 1>really deeply where my own voice has to keep repeating,

892
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.159
<v Speaker 1>give him space, give him time, because I of course

893
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 1>sink back to my childhood and if I had told

894
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:54.360
<v Speaker 1>my father, yeah, dad, you know, this whole teaching thing

895
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.360
<v Speaker 1>just not really my jam. But I really think I

896
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:03.440
<v Speaker 1>want to produce music, and my dad no that's it.

897
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:07.199
<v Speaker 1>Just it's so character to everything I was raised with that,

898
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and I realized I was raised in a very strict

899
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:16.239
<v Speaker 1>it was a great household, but like we had a path,

900
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:20.599
<v Speaker 1>man like, none of us deviated from it. So I

901
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.079
<v Speaker 1>have to let my kid deviate from the path that

902
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I have set for him and let him figure it out.

903
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 2>And is it hard? Like I wonder, do you make

904
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.239
<v Speaker 2>do you do? You leave a lot of room for

905
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:37.000
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he has autism?

906
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, and so.

907
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:43.840
<v Speaker 2>You have different like expectations, not different expectations.

908
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:50.199
<v Speaker 1>But I have a real awareness that his path to

909
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 1>from A to B may look very different than someone

910
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 1>without autism. I'm really confident he'll get to a point B,

911
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:03.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's there might be zigzags in it and learning

912
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:08.159
<v Speaker 1>things along the way. And I again, it's as much

913
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:11.400
<v Speaker 1>a lesson for me as it is for him in

914
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:14.400
<v Speaker 1>just giving people space to do what they need to

915
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.280
<v Speaker 1>do and learn what they need to learn.

916
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:19.800
<v Speaker 2>But it's hard, right because you feel like, oh, my gosh,

917
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:23.679
<v Speaker 2>should I be supporting because I don't know? I have that.

918
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I wonder obviously, what will happen with LB when she

919
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.320
<v Speaker 2>graduates college, Like I'm going to have the same thing.

920
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:32.679
<v Speaker 2>She's going to be like, Okay, she's not going to

921
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 2>want to move home, right, She's not going to be

922
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:36.599
<v Speaker 2>able to afford an apartment.

923
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I don't know's it's my own path

924
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.159
<v Speaker 1>as much as it is his. Like I'm doing a

925
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:50.159
<v Speaker 1>lot of work right now on how I perceive things

926
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.440
<v Speaker 1>and respond to things and react to things, because you

927
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:57.360
<v Speaker 1>can be supportive of someone whose dream you don't necessarily

928
00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:59.960
<v Speaker 1>agree with. And we actually have a lot of friends

929
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.920
<v Speaker 1>with kids his age who don't want to get a

930
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:06.559
<v Speaker 1>part time job if they're if they want to be musicians,

931
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 1>they just want to work on their music. And Jack is,

932
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:12.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, well, because we won't pay for stuff for him,

933
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.159
<v Speaker 1>he has to work, and I think he likes having

934
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:18.199
<v Speaker 1>that responsibility. And so I give him a lot of

935
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:21.519
<v Speaker 1>credit for that too, because I don't know what I

936
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.320
<v Speaker 1>would do if he didn't want to work or struggled

937
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.960
<v Speaker 1>with working. I don't I would probably just support him

938
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:33.280
<v Speaker 1>like I'm supporting him now, and I you know, you

939
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.559
<v Speaker 1>just never know how you're going to react, and so

940
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:37.880
<v Speaker 1>that happens to you.

941
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:42.119
<v Speaker 2>I just don't know that like just being like cool cool,

942
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.559
<v Speaker 2>just hang out and like it teaches much responsibility.

943
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.800
<v Speaker 1>And he's worked since he was sixteen, you know, since

944
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the moment he could work, and so he he likes

945
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:55.920
<v Speaker 1>that and he's saving his money. And you know, but

946
00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:59.079
<v Speaker 1>we live in California. We live in southern California, so

947
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.840
<v Speaker 1>rent of a studio apartment would be more than our

948
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:05.400
<v Speaker 1>mortgages because you've lived in our house for thirty years.

949
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, these kids would have to they'd have

950
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:09.559
<v Speaker 2>to have roommates, Like they're gonna have to like live

951
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:11.679
<v Speaker 2>like three or four in an apartment.

952
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Yeah, oh boy.

953
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:18.800
<v Speaker 2>All right, well this was I'm so glad you came

954
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:23.880
<v Speaker 2>me too, so fun. It wasn't born to me. You're

955
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>so you're on spring break, so we got you on

956
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 2>your one. So in the past, the reason Robin was

957
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:32.760
<v Speaker 2>on more frequently was because you only worked a few

958
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:34.800
<v Speaker 2>days a week. But for the past few years you've

959
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.480
<v Speaker 2>been in full time. Yeah, so I can only get

960
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:41.079
<v Speaker 2>her when she's got time off of school. But before

961
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.199
<v Speaker 2>we go, let's say, let's give our shout outs to

962
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:47.400
<v Speaker 2>our people that pay us fifty dollars a month, like

963
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Krista Stroup is giving it to her friend Sarah, who

964
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:56.159
<v Speaker 2>lost her son to suicide. Just so sad, and she's

965
00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:58.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to break the stigma surrounding suicide and fill in

966
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.719
<v Speaker 2>the gaps in her commute unity in Ohio where mental

967
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:04.679
<v Speaker 2>health needs aren't being met. So go to Chase Hayleyproject

968
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:09.119
<v Speaker 2>dot com. Also, it's getting that time. Use the Better

969
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Test Prep Act Guide. That's our friend Lorie Bishop's son

970
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.880
<v Speaker 2>made it. It's a digital download including in depth guides

971
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:20.480
<v Speaker 2>for each section of the Act and you can go

972
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:25.920
<v Speaker 2>to Instagram Better dot Test dot Prep to check that out,

973
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:29.159
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure there'll be a link there. Also, my

974
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:34.360
<v Speaker 2>friend has a Medium column called Unbecoming Stories, So if

975
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.039
<v Speaker 2>you go to Medium dot com look up Unbecoming Stories

976
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.400
<v Speaker 2>and you will not be disappointed. Also, The Family Skeptical

977
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:44.159
<v Speaker 2>it's a podcast about raising kids without religion, so check

978
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.480
<v Speaker 2>them out. They put out an episode once every three weeks,

979
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:50.280
<v Speaker 2>so it's not gonna take up too much room on

980
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:53.639
<v Speaker 2>your queue. If you're in Palm Springs or Palm Desert,

981
00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:57.360
<v Speaker 2>go to Wilma and Freeda. Everybody loves it there. If

982
00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:59.239
<v Speaker 2>you want a mousepat or a mug or a cool

983
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:02.159
<v Speaker 2>T shirt with whatever you want on it, use just

984
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Basicbecky dot com or basic Becky on Facebook. If you're

985
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.800
<v Speaker 2>in Hawaii and you're on the island of Kawaii, you

986
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Speaker 2>can visit in person Sugar Skull, But even if you're

987
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:17.440
<v Speaker 2>not there, you can check out their bakery and gift

988
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:20.840
<v Speaker 2>shop online if you go to Sugar Skull eight oh

989
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:25.400
<v Speaker 2>eight dot square dot site. Also, if you're planning a trip,

990
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.440
<v Speaker 2>why not use waves and wonder travel. That's our friend

991
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Christine B. And her instagram is Travel with Christine B.

992
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 1>And uh.

993
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Our friend Sergio is highlighting the ASPCI to help ASPCA

994
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.639
<v Speaker 2>obviously to help animals, and we talked a lot about

995
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:46.280
<v Speaker 2>doggies today and ASPCA does so much good work. So

996
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:50.760
<v Speaker 2>go to ASPCA dot org. And my friend and yours

997
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Jacob Crowley, is using his shout out for the ACLU,

998
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:58.440
<v Speaker 2>and our friend Carrie Kibbler is using hers for the

999
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Human Rights Campaign. These people are doing the Lord's work

1000
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.159
<v Speaker 2>right now with everything that's going on in the world.

1001
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.599
<v Speaker 2>And then every episode we talk about Adam Lerner Adam's

1002
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:09.960
<v Speaker 2>goot a Car dot com.

1003
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I drove my car here, I am in love with

1004
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:13.000
<v Speaker 1>that car.

1005
00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my God. And he made it really simple.

1006
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Right beyond it was ridiculous and saved you money. Yes,

1007
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.199
<v Speaker 1>And it was really funny because you could tell they

1008
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:26.199
<v Speaker 1>were like, oh, there's a broker, you know what I mean.

1009
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:30.039
<v Speaker 1>It's because it saves me money and not them. Yes.

1010
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Nice. And of course our friend Laura Wingfield is giving

1011
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:40.760
<v Speaker 2>promo to her friend Oscar's Queer Youth Resource in Vancouver, Washington.

1012
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:43.119
<v Speaker 2>They've lost a lot of resources they could use help,

1013
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:48.760
<v Speaker 2>so go to qy RC Vancouver, WA dot org.

1014
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Can I do a shout out for the rescue?

1015
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Yes, of course, of course.

1016
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna start paying for one for a couple months.

1017
00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:02.239
<v Speaker 1>It's called Popculture Rescue dot com dot org like pop culture, but.

1018
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh pop culture.

1019
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:07.440
<v Speaker 1>And they've been amazing. He's already neutered, he's already chipped,

1020
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:11.199
<v Speaker 1>he's already you know. They're just caring and amazing. They've

1021
00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:13.000
<v Speaker 1>already checked in with me several times.

1022
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeayeah.

1023
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.719
<v Speaker 1>I love it And I want advice from people after

1024
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:20.880
<v Speaker 1>they listen to this on everything we've talked about, So

1025
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.199
<v Speaker 1>please post on the page.

1026
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:27.159
<v Speaker 2>All right, everybody think you, Thank you, Caylin, thank you,

1027
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.519
<v Speaker 2>Robin Wazinski. You're a parent.

1028
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Now it's good