Speaker 1: Made destange a pace sunny sun on I haddasion my night.
Speaker 2: What's up everybody, it's me Stephanie again opening the show. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's just my voice. But guess what, I have a
Speaker 2: fantastic guest today. Kaylin's also here give you comfort of home.
Speaker 2: But I am so pleased to bring in my friend
Speaker 2: of a lot of years now.
Speaker 1: I know, I just feel like for how many it's
Speaker 1: probably been eight.
Speaker 2: Let's figure it out.
Speaker 1: What was the San Francisco show God twenty kind of
Speaker 1: when We Fell in Love nineteen?
Speaker 2: Was that in twenty nineteen or twenty seven?
Speaker 1: Now, it would have been earlier than twenty nine seventeen, Yeah, probably, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it wasn't just a year before COVID Anyways,
Speaker 2: Robin Wazinski, that's my friend and yours. She's been a
Speaker 2: guest on the show before, too to great.
Speaker 1: I don't know a palm.
Speaker 2: Yes, everybody loved her. You you you. You've talked about
Speaker 2: a lot of like personal stuff on this show.
Speaker 1: I even did a Patreon.
Speaker 2: You did a Patreon that was very personal and touched
Speaker 2: a lot of people. How's it going, Kaitlin? Where are
Speaker 2: you going? Just wandering around?
Speaker 1: Oh? Okay? Sorry, I'm an amateur.
Speaker 2: We run a very loose ship here.
Speaker 1: It's nice with video games. It's beautiful in here. You
Speaker 1: guys did it.
Speaker 2: So you haven't been in the studio. Okay, so it's
Speaker 2: been at least two years since you've been on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really nice. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2: You have so much news to share, and I want
Speaker 2: to get to that news. But I just want to
Speaker 2: say hi. I'm want to say hello to our favorite people,
Speaker 2: like Rebecca a little bit. She's your friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's in my pocket right now because she's a
Speaker 1: little cute.
Speaker 2: You're golays so cute. And Kelly Brandt, She's she's gonna
Speaker 2: take you places that you want to go. Alicia Ascalante,
Speaker 2: Leslie still coughing, Aaron's a dirty Sanchez, Jennifer stet up, Sandra,
Speaker 2: it's not easy being green. Stephanie's a stinker rinker. Athena.
Speaker 2: We really love your makeup, everything about you. You're dancing
Speaker 2: all the stuff you Sean. Oh yeah, uh, Missy and
Speaker 2: Gabby saw your videos on our in our Facebook group.
Speaker 2: You guys are hilarious, right m hm. Katerina, you know
Speaker 2: you know Valerie hits it out of the Park, Polly,
Speaker 2: We Love your Pancakes, Rita is rock and Elizabeth Williamson's
Speaker 2: one hundred Children and her bassiet Nikki call Your Girl,
Speaker 2: Katie's rolling on e Kelly Lattie Dah and Dick is
Speaker 2: frolicking all right, Yeah, yeah, baby. You know what's funny
Speaker 2: is I do the editing for our classic f col
Speaker 2: shows on Thursdays.
Speaker 1: I was sening. So is that the first time you've
Speaker 1: ever listened to the podcast when you've edited it? Because
Speaker 1: you always yes. But I hate listening.
Speaker 2: I hate listen, Yeah, I do. I do hate listening,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I've gotten kind of used to it because
Speaker 2: I have to listen to shows to find old good episodes, right,
Speaker 2: And what's funny is listening to the old shouts because
Speaker 2: some of the people I'm like, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: forgot about her? Yeah, have any of Some of them
Speaker 2: are no, but some of them have just been around forever,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, wow, these people have been supporting us
Speaker 2: for like ten years.
Speaker 1: It's so loyal. I love that.
Speaker 2: I know. All Right, So you're kind of sleepy today.
Speaker 1: Yep, I am operating on about an hour and a
Speaker 1: half of sleep.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I didn't know it was that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's my excuse if this goes totally sideway.
Speaker 2: Okay, so why are you so tired?
Speaker 1: Okay? Do you do you want me to like start
Speaker 1: at the.
Speaker 2: Beginning, Yes, start at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Okay. So me and Wade, my husband, we are dog people.
Speaker 1: We have always had dogs, and our last set were
Speaker 1: Pumpkin and Pepper are sweet little Wire her dog sins
Speaker 1: and Pumpkin died about a year ago, and previous the
Speaker 1: previous two years to losing her were very labor intensive
Speaker 1: because she was diabetic and super sick and then got dementia,
Speaker 1: so a lot of early morning, sleepless nights, and so
Speaker 1: then you know, so by the time we said goodbye
Speaker 1: to her, like I was ready to be without a dog.
Speaker 1: And I made this proclamation like I think we're done
Speaker 1: with dogs, Like I'm good. We can travel, we don't
Speaker 1: have to have your parents' dogs that like, I'm I'm good.
Speaker 1: I've had a lifetime of dogs. I'm good.
Speaker 2: And I can attest to that because I was like,
Speaker 2: are you going to get another dog? And you were like, no,
Speaker 2: absolutely not. You sounded kind of bitchy. Yeah, you were
Speaker 2: like very stern.
Speaker 1: Yep, you told me that, so thank you.
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, Okay.
Speaker 1: So then I, you know, little by little, because it's
Speaker 1: been just over a year, I start noticing, like I'm
Speaker 1: looking at a lot of dogs on Instagram, and my
Speaker 1: friend Janice came over with her little Remy, who's the sweetest,
Speaker 1: and you know, I started getting that pull.
Speaker 2: Kaki fever.
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to say anything, you know, like
Speaker 1: this when I'm keeping myself. And then Wade like walks
Speaker 1: into the room a couple of weeks ago and said,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're ready for another dog, I'm ready
Speaker 1: to And I'm like shit because I was hoping he'd
Speaker 1: be like the barrier. So anyway, it was sort of
Speaker 1: floating out into the universe. And I was in Vegas
Speaker 1: this weekend and Janice the one was said, Remy texts
Speaker 1: me from Venice and there's an adoption event and they
Speaker 1: text me a pat.
Speaker 2: So had you shared with Janice that you were maybe
Speaker 2: open to getting a dog?
Speaker 1: You know what, when they were over for Wade's birthday
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, they we were talking about it.
Speaker 1: So of course she gets it in her head and
Speaker 1: she's a total pusher, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: everyone should have a dog. So she's on the lookout
Speaker 1: now and so sends me this picture and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: and his name is Tabasco. And I would say, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm in Vegas, so text Wade and next thing I know,
Speaker 1: there's this group text and then Wade's texting me separately
Speaker 1: if you're ready. I am, and it's like okay, we're
Speaker 1: in and Janice is ecstatic and this is all happening
Speaker 1: via text. So she leaves, she had gone home, she
Speaker 1: leaves to go back to the event to try to
Speaker 1: get him, and it.
Speaker 2: So she doesn't have any connection to these people, right.
Speaker 1: I know. Janice is the kind that, now that she's
Speaker 1: met them, she does do you know. I'm sure she's
Speaker 1: introduced herself. They know we're dog now they so she's
Speaker 1: she's kind of like you in that way.
Speaker 2: Why does she go to adoption events if is she
Speaker 2: thinking about also getting another dog?
Speaker 1: She loves dogs? Okay, and they were they live in Venice,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure they were just out on a walk
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm sure part of it was circumstantial, right,
Speaker 1: And uh So she goes back and texts me and says, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you have to fill it an application, and apparently Tabasca
Speaker 1: was the most popular dog at the event, so you
Speaker 1: need to make it good. And so we start texting
Speaker 1: bullet points and she's like, oh, I'm gonna start working
Speaker 1: on your application.
Speaker 2: And when you sent me a picture of the dog,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, hell, yes, yeah, I know
Speaker 2: this dog is freaking cute. We'll post a picture already post.
Speaker 1: It, okay, only on my small Facebook pok okay, so
Speaker 1: you'll post it in the group. And so now the
Speaker 1: tide has like everyone knows this. It's like a human flaw.
Speaker 1: Like you're logical and rational about things until you make
Speaker 1: the decision like now I want to talk. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: there's no turning back. And I'm like literally talking about
Speaker 1: like how do we find the other people applying and
Speaker 1: like maybe docs them or like whatever needs to happen.
Speaker 1: I want this dog. And so uh went back to
Speaker 1: the hotel in Vegas and you know, we pieced together
Speaker 1: this great application and hear nothing. I told you to
Speaker 1: be funny too, and I there was a little bit
Speaker 1: of funny, okay, And then you kept texting me, have
Speaker 1: you heard anything? Have you heard any I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, I this was Saturday night. Then Sunday.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they probably don't work on Sunday. I flew
Speaker 1: home and literally when I walk in the door from Vegas,
Speaker 1: I get an email that says we'd like to move
Speaker 1: forward with your adoption. And I like, I start crying,
Speaker 1: and when can we FaceTime you to do like a
Speaker 1: digital home inspection or whatever. And I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm home right now, call me right now. And uh
Speaker 1: so it all like within an hour though. So wait,
Speaker 1: so she face times you, she face times me, and.
Speaker 2: You have to like walk into your backyard and show
Speaker 2: all the fencing exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she kind of just tells me Tabasco's history
Speaker 1: that he's been an owner surrender. The owner has the
Speaker 1: mother who was supposedly Spade and wasn't got pregnant and
Speaker 1: had at least two puppies. She was surrendered with the
Speaker 1: mom and Tabasco and Tabasco.
Speaker 2: So the owners just got rid of all the dogs.
Speaker 1: I don't know the circumstances behind it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, But we do know that they always lived outside.
Speaker 1: They had never been in a house. They had minimal
Speaker 1: or no human interaction. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So this poor mama dog had her babies probably outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were pretty worried about socializing them, and
Speaker 1: they said almost immediately, the sister and the mom were,
Speaker 1: you know, all over the rescue and Tabasco took a
Speaker 1: little bit longer, but cuddly. He loves to be in
Speaker 1: your lap. He wants you to hold him. So I
Speaker 1: within an hour. The person who was fostering him was
Speaker 1: in Woodland Hills and she was at the house with
Speaker 1: our new baby yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the beginning, how did that?
Speaker 1: It was good? You know? She I always call her
Speaker 1: she because three of our last word dogs have been female. He.
Speaker 1: By the way, we're not calling him Tabasco because a
Speaker 1: three syllable dog name is too long.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we've kind and I know you have an issue
Speaker 1: with this, Stephanie, but I want you to try to
Speaker 1: accept it. We're calling him Bosco, got it, because Basco
Speaker 1: is not a name, and it could be, but we're
Speaker 1: calling them Bosco.
Speaker 2: I mean, Bosco's cute, and it's you know, I think
Speaker 2: brown dog's name Bosco is you know, it's a it's
Speaker 2: an homage to Bosco, isn't it. Wasn't it Bosco the
Speaker 2: kind of chocolate sauce you put.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, but Bosco. Our dog is white?
Speaker 2: You have had a Bossco? Oh no, you're not our.
Speaker 1: Current Yeah he's totally white.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. So yeah, so so it doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: on several loves.
Speaker 1: One is even a Baco should be like a like
Speaker 1: a red labordoodle, right, so correct, or maybe he has.
Speaker 2: But the dog was misnamed to begin with exactly, But
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Like when we got Penelope, we were
Speaker 2: they called her Penny and Penelope, but the rescue where
Speaker 2: that took her in was calling her Pepo so we
Speaker 2: which we thought was so dorky at the time, you know,
Speaker 2: but then you're like, we we went through all these
Speaker 2: different names. We were going to call her Babbeloo, and
Speaker 2: we had different names because it was named after our
Speaker 2: favorite restaurant in Santa Monica that was where John and
Speaker 2: I kind of we had some dates there. Anyway, point
Speaker 2: being is in the end we were like, seems just
Speaker 2: mean to try to change her name completely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we sort of where we were at too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where it has to be some form of what he's
Speaker 1: been called before.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's how we felt. We were like, well,
Speaker 2: what are we going to call her? That sounds like
Speaker 2: Penelope or Pepo? Besides, just let's just keep it.
Speaker 1: You could call her like Penelope or Pepo, which you know,
Speaker 1: we went with that. Okay, so and Bosco Bosco. And
Speaker 1: so this is interesting too in our application because we
Speaker 1: know he has a sister who's a letter mate. We've
Speaker 1: always had littermates and we've always had two dogs, so
Speaker 1: we put that we would take the sister too. But
Speaker 1: when they emailed me, it just was talking about Tabasco.
Speaker 1: So I asked the rescue about it, and she said,
Speaker 1: we never adopt littermates together because there's something called littermates syndrome,
Speaker 1: and it's where they either are aggressive with each other
Speaker 1: or they don't connect with the humans. And I thought
Speaker 1: that's kind of crazy because we've experienced both with littermates,
Speaker 1: and Wade kind of refuses to believe that that's actually
Speaker 1: a thing. But I think it's really valid, especially if
Speaker 1: a reputable rescue has made this decision, because rescues are
Speaker 1: not about like separating dogs who need to be together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was interesting. So it will be the first
Speaker 1: time that we only have one dog and okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: I should have just turned my phone off. Someone was
Speaker 1: calling me. I don't. So we get him. He's a
Speaker 1: little nervous but exploring, and let's us hold him and
Speaker 1: love him. And then I swear to you, the second
Speaker 1: the sun went down, he's like agitated and just wants
Speaker 1: to be outside. And it was a rough night. He
Speaker 1: cried and howled and paced, and I finally got him
Speaker 1: to settle in our bed, and so I think that's
Speaker 1: probably where he'll be sleeping, which I also said would
Speaker 1: never happen again.
Speaker 2: But well, so when we got Penelope, they told us
Speaker 2: I don't remember what they said about where she slept,
Speaker 2: but we were like, our bed was a queen sized
Speaker 2: bed at that time, and it's sparely enough room for us,
Speaker 2: you know, And we remembered back when the kid would
Speaker 2: sleep well, Elbe would sleep in our bed. Sometimes Elbe
Speaker 2: slept in our bed when she was really little. Then
Speaker 2: was she made it to her own bed and was
Speaker 2: fine for a number for years. I feel like it's
Speaker 2: when that we had the twins. Yeah, so she was three.
Speaker 2: Right around that time I think she started she would
Speaker 2: get upset and come in our room in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night and sleep in our room, in our bed,
Speaker 2: and it was pretty awful for a few years because
Speaker 2: there was just no room because she wasn't a tiny baby.
Speaker 2: Now she's like a three year old. She's got a
Speaker 2: big body, and we were like, oh my god, this sucks.
Speaker 2: That went on for a why a long time, I
Speaker 2: want to say, like at least a year and a
Speaker 2: half or so of until she was a little bit older.
Speaker 2: And then finally one night I had to talk with
Speaker 2: her and I was like, we just don't have room
Speaker 2: in our bed for you. Oh no, this was Elbe.
Speaker 2: So this was Elbe when she was little. So when
Speaker 2: we got Penelope, we were like, we're not having a
Speaker 2: dog in our bed because it was sixty pounds.
Speaker 1: I was like, we don't have room for this.
Speaker 2: Dog in our bed. And John and I were both like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be strong because we finally got Elbe out
Speaker 2: of the bed. Now we can't we can't be like
Speaker 2: having a sixty pound dog in our bed. So we
Speaker 2: bought her like a nice dog bed and it was
Speaker 2: right at the foot of our bed, but our bed's
Speaker 2: kind of high, so it's not like we could see her.
Speaker 2: And she wasn't, so we were and this went on
Speaker 2: for like six months. She slept in her dog bed,
Speaker 2: but she would always whine to want to come up
Speaker 2: in our bed, and we were like, nope, be strong,
Speaker 2: because we'd heard once they're in your bed, they're not
Speaker 2: out of your bed. It's like a kid, yeah, right right,
Speaker 2: So we were like no, no, no, no no. And
Speaker 2: then one day John looked at me and I looked
Speaker 2: at John and he was like, I don't know. She
Speaker 2: would just like let her up here, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's just let her up here. Never we could never
Speaker 2: look back because she was so happy curled up with us,
Speaker 2: fell asleep and was like, couldn't have been happier. And
Speaker 2: then would always like stand by the bed and want
Speaker 2: to get up on the bed and we would be
Speaker 2: like all right, And then that was it. And then
Speaker 2: that's what made us go like, Okay, if we're moving
Speaker 2: into a new room, we're getting a king sized bed
Speaker 2: so that because this is ridiculous, because it was like
Speaker 2: having a big child. It was a third person in
Speaker 2: her bed, right, But bosc Go's little.
Speaker 1: Bosco's little. He's only ten pounds and.
Speaker 2: He'll sleep at the foot of your bed probably when
Speaker 2: he gets used to.
Speaker 1: It, and it actually doesn't really matter to me. I
Speaker 1: mean after last night and he didn't settle in until
Speaker 1: five am.
Speaker 2: So what was he doing though? Was he getting agitated
Speaker 2: and wanting to get off the bed and wanting to
Speaker 2: go outside?
Speaker 1: Yes, and then he would walk around because we have
Speaker 1: a crate, because he slept in a crate. Well, it
Speaker 1: was funny, the foster, she said, well, he sleeps in
Speaker 1: a crate, but he actually slept in my bed.
Speaker 2: The foster said that, okay.
Speaker 1: And I you know, I think he'll probably be okay
Speaker 1: sleeping anywhere once he knows he's safe and he's staying
Speaker 1: and you know, nothing bad is going to happen to him.
Speaker 1: But I so today I'm actually going to call a
Speaker 1: trainer just because I want to talk to someone and
Speaker 1: meet with someone about like, I mean, talk about attachment
Speaker 1: and how do we reassure him and you know, because
Speaker 1: I've yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think I've probably dealt
Speaker 1: with this with my other dogs. But I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm actually an adult now with a dog who can
Speaker 1: call a trainer to help me and get some guidance
Speaker 1: out what's the best way to enter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you might only need like one or two sessions,
Speaker 2: But I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean there is not an aggressive bone
Speaker 1: in his body. He is just the sweetest little guy.
Speaker 1: So I'm really happy, but really tired.
Speaker 2: I do think it will be a quicker adjustment with
Speaker 2: a dog than like an actual baby.
Speaker 1: I do too, Oh of course. Well, I remember when
Speaker 1: Jack was born, we had Fox terriers and they're they're
Speaker 1: a lot of dog. They're naughty and self you know,
Speaker 1: they're they don't care what you think about them. But
Speaker 1: we Wade and Hair sitting on the couch and I
Speaker 1: think I was nursing and Dotton Dasher just kind of
Speaker 1: in the living room, and Wade looks at me and
Speaker 1: he said, isn't it weird that our dogs are so
Speaker 1: much smarter than Jack at this age? She was like,
Speaker 1: they know their name, they go outside to pee. It's
Speaker 1: like Jack's not gonna know any of that. For a
Speaker 1: long time, I thought that is kind of weird. They're
Speaker 1: much more self sufficient than humans.
Speaker 2: But then they kind of top out, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I mean, and they can't like solve math problems,
Speaker 2: even like kind of basic exact ones.
Speaker 1: They can't make their own dinner.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, they're like they stand there by their bowl
Speaker 2: like waiting for you to do it.
Speaker 1: It's like open the refrigerator.
Speaker 2: With your pause. Use your pause.
Speaker 1: God gave you pause for a reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like you can't do anything. You can't open
Speaker 2: the front door and go out for a little walk
Speaker 2: and come back.
Speaker 1: My God, you can't refill your water. God just you
Speaker 1: always play the victim.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you're good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just you're really bringing me back to like
Speaker 2: the early days with Pepo and I am remembering that.
Speaker 2: Like when we first got her. First of all, she
Speaker 2: was very attached to Annie, who was the person who
Speaker 2: had the rescue, and she'd been with Annie for six
Speaker 2: weeks and she did not when we went to meet her.
Speaker 2: She had like no interest in us because she was
Speaker 2: very focused on Annie. And I was kind of freaked
Speaker 2: out about it, like, oh, I don't know, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know why you think the dog is going to
Speaker 2: be immediately see you and recognize her new owners, the
Speaker 2: people who have come to save her and give her
Speaker 2: a new life. She was like, no, thank you, I'm
Speaker 2: good where I am. I even said to Annie after
Speaker 2: we'd met her and I was starting to have a
Speaker 2: little bit of cold feet. I was like, I don't know, like,
Speaker 2: are you sure you don't want to keep her? Like
Speaker 2: she's very attached to you, And Annie was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't keep her, like I got six in my
Speaker 2: house right now, Like it's I'm trying to like, no,
Speaker 2: it's going to be great, you'll see, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. She did not want to have anything
Speaker 2: to do with anybody in our family. She just we
Speaker 2: went to this place to meet her. It was like
Speaker 2: a pet food store and they were doing the adoption
Speaker 2: event and we tried to walk her outside and all
Speaker 2: she did was cry and pull back inside because she
Speaker 2: wanted back with her with Annie.
Speaker 1: So how long did it take?
Speaker 2: So when she was like, Okay, you're getting the dog,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just be totally honest, I was really worried.
Speaker 2: I was not feeling like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 2: our dog. I can't wait. I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: I don't know how this is going to go because
Speaker 2: she doesn't want she doesn't want a new home. She
Speaker 2: wants the home she's in right now, and I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm taking her away. So Annie had like an
Speaker 2: assistance and somebody that works with the rescue but who
Speaker 2: wasn't attached to the dog. She had her come and
Speaker 2: take Penelope to us. Oh that's a good idea, yeah,
Speaker 2: And then so she came in the house. So she
Speaker 2: wasn't crying for this woman because she didn't really know
Speaker 2: her that well. So she was pretty sweet like the
Speaker 2: first day. But I don't think that I think it
Speaker 2: took well, oh, here's what happened. She was totally fine,
Speaker 2: and she was We weren't like super attached to her
Speaker 2: though yet at this point, and I'll tell you why,
Speaker 2: because she wasn't like attached to us yet. But once
Speaker 2: she'd spent like a few nights, she started to develop
Speaker 2: a routine. And it's always so hard to figure out
Speaker 2: what your dog's routine is because at first we were
Speaker 2: taking her on a lot of walks a day because
Speaker 2: we're like, well, she's probably gonna have to go at
Speaker 2: like eleven o'clock at night, so we would take her,
Speaker 2: you know, in the morning, and then in the afternoon
Speaker 2: and then like in the evening and then late night.
Speaker 2: So that because we didn't know if she could sleep
Speaker 2: through the night.
Speaker 1: So how did she do it? Night?
Speaker 2: So this dog did sleep through the night from the
Speaker 2: get go, Oka, But she was already we think probably
Speaker 2: three or four, right what they told us she was
Speaker 2: a year, but I don't think she was a year.
Speaker 2: I think she was older. And so she went to
Speaker 2: sleep all night, So we didn't really have that, but
Speaker 2: she did get she had allergies, she had other stuff
Speaker 2: going on that was like difficult at the beginning, like
Speaker 2: some medical stuff. But anyway, I remember taking her back
Speaker 2: to go visit Annie and her being like so happy
Speaker 2: to see Annie, and it was a worried me a
Speaker 2: little bit because she was like it was like her
Speaker 2: long lot, like her mom. Like she ran at her
Speaker 2: and like jumped on her and was hugging on her.
Speaker 2: But we did it another like six months later, and
Speaker 2: she cried for us, like she would look wanted to
Speaker 2: see where we were. And I remember thinking, Oh, now
Speaker 2: she's fully our dogs, Like she doesn't want Annie anymore,
Speaker 2: she wants us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she like shifted her attachment, yes, and she.
Speaker 2: Was like so, but I mean she was attached to
Speaker 2: us well before that, but I mean at that point,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, she doesn't even see Annie as
Speaker 2: her primary attachment at all. And she was fully like Ann.
Speaker 2: It's I think six months in is when we relented
Speaker 2: and let her sleep in the bed. And I think
Speaker 2: from then on too, she's just she's this dog is
Speaker 2: like a pack animal. Yes, but she chose me and John.
Speaker 2: And the one thing that's been hard is like she
Speaker 2: never attached to the kids.
Speaker 1: Oh that I I wonder if that's pretty typical though.
Speaker 2: Even we tried for a while to have the kids
Speaker 2: be in charge of like feeding her and being the
Speaker 2: one Nope, she doesn't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was that yesterday. Bosco fell asleep on Jack's
Speaker 1: lapp and I was at Petco getting all the gear
Speaker 1: and Wade sent me a picture like, Oh, it was
Speaker 1: just so nice because I mean we've always had dogs
Speaker 1: with Jack growing up, but in a certain way they
Speaker 1: haven't been his you know, kind of like you're saying
Speaker 1: with your kids. And now that he's twenty two and
Speaker 1: is so much more aware of like how you engage
Speaker 1: with a dog and love a dog, I feel like
Speaker 1: this will you know, be his dog too.
Speaker 2: So that's a good lead into so what is going
Speaker 2: on with Jack as your son? He has autism. You
Speaker 2: one time that you were on the show a couple
Speaker 2: times ago, you told us the whole story, and I
Speaker 2: re aired that episode, Oh wow with you telling the
Speaker 2: story of him as a little kid. But he's come
Speaker 2: a super long way. He's been to college.
Speaker 1: Yeah and back yep. Yeah. So he went to junior
Speaker 1: college for two years because he twenty twenty kid, So
Speaker 1: the world shut down his senior year, which was devastating
Speaker 1: for me and I don't think he really gave a
Speaker 1: shit because he had never graduated from high school. So
Speaker 1: he did two years of junior college completely online.
Speaker 2: Wow, So his senior year was at home.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, the last three months of his senior.
Speaker 2: Year, Okay, so he was like from March, right, and
Speaker 2: then he was So then the whole first year of
Speaker 2: junior college was home.
Speaker 1: And it ended up being the first he went both
Speaker 1: years online because junior colleges had a much harder time
Speaker 1: getting back in person just because of the cost.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, for some reason, I had it in my
Speaker 2: head that it was like an online school.
Speaker 1: No, it was College of the Canyons, College of coc At,
Speaker 1: College of the Canyons. And I think he made the
Speaker 1: choice really to stay in digital class is because I
Speaker 1: know there are classes he could have done on campus,
Speaker 1: and so he did go in some that second year,
Speaker 1: but it was just so convenient, you know, to be
Speaker 1: doing it online.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And then he went through the whole application process to
Speaker 1: transfer and got a lot of acceptances to a lot
Speaker 1: of good schools. Because I'm trying to think the first one,
Speaker 1: I think the first one he got was UC Davis,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was super excited and then he
Speaker 1: got San Diego State and Cal State Long Beach and
Speaker 1: Cal State North, all the Cal states. He wanted to
Speaker 1: go to his first choice, and.
Speaker 2: I think he got UCSD. You're right, yeah, so that.
Speaker 1: You were just that's right. I forgot about that.
Speaker 2: Do I remember more about your child than you do?
Speaker 1: Probably? Yeah, yes you do. But he his first choice
Speaker 1: was Long Beach and it had been since before he applied,
Speaker 1: and so we went and visited. It was so weird
Speaker 1: during that time because everything was still kind of shut
Speaker 1: down in a weird way, but it wasn't. It was
Speaker 1: just hard to get tours. It was. So when we
Speaker 1: went to the campus, it was very quiet because it is,
Speaker 1: for the large part a commuter school, so it didn't
Speaker 1: have that energy that I think he envisioned. And he,
Speaker 1: you know, came and he's like, this weekend they're having
Speaker 1: an orientation at San Diego State. Can we go? And
Speaker 1: the second we walked on campus, he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think this is where I want to go. And
Speaker 1: he was sold from the moment he stepped on campus.
Speaker 2: So did he ever go on a tour of UCSD.
Speaker 1: No, because when he had done the tour, San Diego
Speaker 1: State and then got accepted to UCSD like a week later.
Speaker 1: I remember him coming out and saying, I just got
Speaker 1: into U see San Diego, Like wow, what are you
Speaker 1: going to do? I don't know. What do you think
Speaker 1: I should do? Like, well, like make a pro con list,
Speaker 1: like go do some research. And he came out ten
Speaker 1: minutes later he's like, I'm going to go to San
Speaker 1: Diego State. He liked that they had a football team,
Speaker 1: he liked that you know they had It was everything
Speaker 1: he had sort of envisioned college would be. Uh huh,
Speaker 1: and he took advantage of everything everyone in visions college
Speaker 1: should be. So is Elbie. Yeah, oh my. He did
Speaker 1: graduate in four years and he's back at home now.
Speaker 1: And as anyone who has twenty two year old twenty
Speaker 1: two year old kids, it's rough out there. It's it's
Speaker 1: hard to find a part time job. And it's so
Speaker 1: foreign to me because I'm a teacher. My path was
Speaker 1: so predetermined. You know, you go to college, you go
Speaker 1: and get your credential, you get a teaching job, and
Speaker 1: that's what you do. That's for your life, and that's
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. But he has a degree
Speaker 1: in communication and there's no set path, and there's not
Speaker 1: a credential when you have a communication major. So he's
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to just give him space because
Speaker 1: I'm such a control freak and I want everything to
Speaker 1: be decided right now. But it's really been a test
Speaker 1: for me in like reminding myself he's twenty two. He
Speaker 1: I didn't know if he would ever talk. It's like,
Speaker 1: so let's let him figure stuff out. Because very few
Speaker 1: people knew what they were going to do with the
Speaker 1: rest of their life at twenty two years old.
Speaker 2: So right after he I feel like it was when
Speaker 2: he graduated, tell us about out the one, like he
Speaker 2: had a couple of job possibilities.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is going to be like a
Speaker 1: PSA to people, especially with male children in college. But first,
Speaker 1: let me start with the bullet list of things to
Speaker 1: tell your autistic kid who's in college that we thought
Speaker 1: everyone just knew. So his senior year, it's probably November
Speaker 1: and he calls me. He says, great news, mom, we're
Speaker 1: all renewing the least together on this house. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And like we have to sign it by tomorrow or
Speaker 1: we're not going to get it. And he's telling me dude,
Speaker 1: we don't pay your rent after you graduate. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Oh and it's like God, I guess that should have
Speaker 1: been like a sit down of like things. I assume
Speaker 1: he knew but didn't, right. So and then I had
Speaker 1: the conversation with him because first of all, he was
Speaker 1: living My god, it was what do you call it,
Speaker 1: like a slum word kind of house. It hid big
Speaker 1: house in the neighborhood right across the street from campus,
Speaker 1: all sorts of add on. I mean, it's basically like
Speaker 1: a slum word version of the Wrigley Mansion, No, the
Speaker 1: one who's the gun, uh, the weird mansion near San Francisco,
Speaker 1: where like there are staircases that lead nowhere and people.
Speaker 2: Are in castle now.
Speaker 1: People are yelling at the podcast at their radio right now.
Speaker 1: It'll come, it'll come to me, okay, and or someone
Speaker 1: will tell us. But it some rooms with no wind,
Speaker 1: with no windows, no less, no closets, and we're paying
Speaker 1: twelve to fifty a month, uh huh, plus utilities, plus
Speaker 1: cleaning the pool, and so it's overpriced. It's disgusting, and
Speaker 1: he's having a blast. So anyway, that conversation I had
Speaker 1: that we will not be paying your rent. So when
Speaker 1: you're looking for a job, keep that in mind. So
Speaker 1: they had a job there, and he had this very
Speaker 1: legitimate interview with a company that does basically like event planning,
Speaker 1: and it looked really interesting and I kind of vetted
Speaker 1: it and it would have been a great opportunity. He
Speaker 1: got a second interview, he didn't get the job. Then
Speaker 1: he gets this other interview and God, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to fill in because I have, honestly, for my own protection,
Speaker 1: blocked a lot of this out. He's telling me about, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got a job offer from this new place. Like
Speaker 1: let's say they're like embedded design company or what are
Speaker 1: some totally rent right?
Speaker 2: I thought it was like an exterminator company.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that that's another one. Okay, start with that, okay,
Speaker 1: because I remember that one more vividly. Hey Mom, I
Speaker 1: have this opportunity, say okay. Opportunity has become such a
Speaker 1: trigger word for me because it's, oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: so bad. I have this opportunity for my roommate to
Speaker 1: go live in Washington for the summer and make sixty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I'm like, okay, can I do it to? Like?
Speaker 1: What is this.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like something with like exterminating or extermination or some
Speaker 1: I okay, look into it because it doesn't sound legit.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Okay, calls me again, Okay, I have an interview tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and say interview as we're using that term loosely, and
Speaker 1: he calls me back after the interview and says, Okay,
Speaker 1: so apparently it's not Washington State. It's Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: But I would have to start in Texas and then
Speaker 1: go to Washington, d C. And then come home. But
Speaker 1: I got all the details. Okay, so where do you live?
Speaker 1: I don't know how much do they pay you? Well,
Speaker 1: if you make your quota, of course you get like
Speaker 1: ten thousand a week. What if you don't make your quota?
Speaker 1: I don't know what's the name of the company. I
Speaker 1: don't know. That's when I would have like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck did you ask them? Because you haven't been able
Speaker 1: to answer.
Speaker 2: But I got all the details.
Speaker 1: I have all the DC MOMB totally no worries. So
Speaker 1: I hang up, just go, oh my god, it's some
Speaker 1: weird like multi level marketing thing. I honestly, all I
Speaker 1: have to put into Google is exterminating college student scam.
Speaker 1: And the company comes up and I don't remember what
Speaker 1: they're called, but basically they send these kids door to
Speaker 1: door trying to sell extermination contracts and then they sell
Speaker 1: them to like termin X. But who's going to make
Speaker 1: their quota? And it totally preys on, I think, on
Speaker 1: young men because they are really appealing to their masculinity,
Speaker 1: and because Jack is already has like their talk, I said, well,
Speaker 1: what happens if you don't make your quota? Well, I
Speaker 1: am going to make my quota because I'm not afraid
Speaker 1: of hard work. Oh and the people who don't make
Speaker 1: their quota, like they don't get what it takes to succeed.
Speaker 1: And that he's already repeating clearly.
Speaker 2: What he's been told in this listen. I'm always I'm
Speaker 2: abc always be closing.
Speaker 1: I got it, So I look. I had a little
Speaker 1: sit down with him and I said, Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: just play out worst case scenario. You don't make your quota.
Speaker 1: You live in their housing and it's eight hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a month. You have to pay for your plane ticket
Speaker 1: to Texas, you have to pay for your plane ticket
Speaker 1: to Washington. You have to pay for your plane ticket home.
Speaker 1: You would be leaving a month before your lease and
Speaker 1: you'd have to be paying me twelve hundred dollars for
Speaker 1: rent for a house you're not at right, you will
Speaker 1: end up owing money. So do you want to spend
Speaker 1: your last summer in San Diego going door to door
Speaker 1: in one hundred and twelve degree Texas heat? Or do
Speaker 1: you want to stay with your roommates in Sandy Let
Speaker 1: go and for the last time have no responsibility. And
Speaker 1: that's sold.
Speaker 2: So he went to Texas.
Speaker 1: Now he's still there?
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Speaker 2: Great timing for that, yeah, exactly, So what was the other?
Speaker 2: Then there was another one though too, that was another sales.
Speaker 1: Thing, another sales thing, and they all they get themselves
Speaker 1: onto these college apps. I forget what they're called, but
Speaker 1: there's one specific one where kids look for jobs who
Speaker 1: are in or graduating from college or trying to get
Speaker 1: an internship. And again he goes into the office for
Speaker 1: an interview and his Spidey sense is kind of going
Speaker 1: off because the sign on the door is different than
Speaker 1: the signs in the office. Yes, and they can't really
Speaker 1: articulate like what he would be doing, but it's basically
Speaker 1: they work with like Spectrum or T Mobile and it
Speaker 1: has something to do with selling Wi Fi or different contracts.
Speaker 1: So again just screaming in my mind, this is some
Speaker 1: weird like multi level marketing or you're basically using these
Speaker 1: kids essentially as cheap labor. Yes, and again going door
Speaker 1: to door, it's like who it's that's just torture. So
Speaker 1: thankfully I remember, I'm always somewhere weird. When these phone
Speaker 1: calls happened. I was in Nashville last year on my
Speaker 1: girls trip, and so I had this late night long
Speaker 1: conversation with him where he and I are looking at
Speaker 1: Reddit pages together trying to figure out what this is.
Speaker 1: And he said, well, then should I not go on
Speaker 1: the interview or should I not go to sign the papers?
Speaker 1: What do you think? Because by now he's skeptical too,
Speaker 1: and he's doing some research. And I said, look, go
Speaker 1: in if you want, but you you have no commitment
Speaker 1: to them just because they've quote unquote hired you. So
Speaker 1: he goes in and there are like three other people
Speaker 1: they're also signing a contract. And he realizes now that
Speaker 1: one of the guys was a plant because they're talking
Speaker 1: about like, okay, so you are going to work six
Speaker 1: days a week, and a lot of us like we're
Speaker 1: just such good friends, like we all live together. Oh no,
Speaker 1: and like they're asking Jack, like what are you interested in?
Speaker 1: And he said, well, I've you know, I've started working out. Oh,
Speaker 1: we all work out together. We have a gym that
Speaker 1: we go to together, and I actually have like a
Speaker 1: D and D campaign. Oh my god, so do we
Speaker 1: we have our own D and D campaign everything, he says,
Speaker 1: So it's a total cult.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: The guy who he now thinks is a plant is
Speaker 1: signing his contract and he's saying, I am just so
Speaker 1: excited to have a job where I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: work so hard and not be bored. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was so bizarre, and I, you know, he signed something,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it doesn't matter you you don't have to
Speaker 1: go in. So again, it was basically a cult, door
Speaker 1: to door, bizarre kind of thing.
Speaker 2: But I remember with this one, you were like, I
Speaker 2: don't want to be this negative because I think this
Speaker 2: happened after the exterminating thing, and you're like, I can't
Speaker 2: tell him with each thing, like, no, you can't do that.
Speaker 2: It's you know, so you were waiting for him to
Speaker 2: kind of decide for himself, and then he did.
Speaker 1: And he did, and I think that was the phone
Speaker 1: call in Nashville when he's like, holy shit, mom, you
Speaker 1: were right. And they do this thing where these companies
Speaker 1: changed their name every six months, so when you go
Speaker 1: to Google them or check the Better Business Bureau, right
Speaker 1: they've changed their name. So there's like there's zero digital
Speaker 1: footprint about like what there actually doing. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: people listening have had experience with these companies because I
Speaker 1: have a feeling they just pray on college kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be careful always. Remember when I
Speaker 2: got that job for that psychiatrist.
Speaker 1: Or podcast thing or it was, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Was it was a podcast, but I was doing a
Speaker 2: radio show. But it sounded it was recommended. It was
Speaker 2: recommended by a friend of a friend. It was actually
Speaker 2: somebody who knows Julie Caseum. So it seemed on the
Speaker 2: level at first, you know, so I didn't have any
Speaker 2: reason to really question it, and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: And then I interviewed with the guy. Yeah, I interviewed
Speaker 2: and I was all excited. And then I was going
Speaker 2: to be producing episodes for this radio show. And then
Speaker 2: it was I was going to so it was I
Speaker 2: might have had to drive to San Clemente. Well, first
Speaker 2: I was going to have to go just to ABC,
Speaker 2: which is not that far like Culver City. Then I
Speaker 2: was going to have to drive to San Clemente. But
Speaker 2: the problem was that the day before I had already
Speaker 2: produced the first episode. I'd already with you know, I
Speaker 2: hadn't gone in I'd already done all the research and
Speaker 2: like found an interview for it. Blah blah blah. And
Speaker 2: then the night before I googled the guy and I
Speaker 2: googled the company and it came up with that there
Speaker 2: had been an FBI raid on the company and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. And then remember at the time, doctor Drew
Speaker 2: wasn't crazy. I called doctor Drew and I was like,
Speaker 2: holy shit, this psychiatrist.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it a rehab kind of it was a rehab facility.
Speaker 2: It was a company that owns rehabs. And they've been
Speaker 2: called Sovereign Health. They'd been they've been these news stories.
Speaker 2: They'd been raided by the FBI. And the doctor that
Speaker 2: I was, the doctor that I was going to work for,
Speaker 2: was no longer a doctor because he'd been stripped of
Speaker 2: his medical license and he'd gone to school to like
Speaker 2: not an actual real school, like one of these weird
Speaker 2: like I'm not saying, an online degree, but something that
Speaker 2: it wasn't really like.
Speaker 1: Did he go to the same medical school as you?
Speaker 1: Pretty much?
Speaker 2: But not only that, but that had been taken away,
Speaker 2: so he was so he couldn't legally call himself a doctor.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And then I was like what do I do? And
Speaker 2: doctor Drew's like, well, you know what this happens sometimes,
Speaker 2: like psychiatrists are really there, tend to be victims of
Speaker 2: like people come after them and especially rehabs. Like he
Speaker 2: was on that guy's side, okay, I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: want to say he was like no, I know that guy.
Speaker 2: He's totally on the level. He's like I would go in,
Speaker 2: do the job, and then like keep an eye out,
Speaker 2: see what's going on. So I did. I ended up
Speaker 2: going in because it was the next day. I would
Speaker 2: have had to leave the guy totally high and dry.
Speaker 2: So I went in and then I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: like he's not saying that, he's not constantly saying he's
Speaker 2: a psychiatrist. He's skirting around it, and he doesn't seem like.
Speaker 2: I gave it the benefit of the doubt for a while,
Speaker 2: until I finally realized this guy has like a vendette.
Speaker 2: He's just trying to get money from these health insurance companies.
Speaker 2: His main thing was like he was very mad that
Speaker 2: these people weren't reimbursing him because he was being accused
Speaker 2: of fraud. And when it became really clear to me
Speaker 2: that it probably was fraud, and then he wasn't paying
Speaker 2: people at his company.
Speaker 1: And then paying you.
Speaker 2: Oh eventually yeah, well he paid me a check that
Speaker 2: bounced and then the funds were frozen. Yes, so that
Speaker 2: all happened. But also I ended up looking up the company,
Speaker 2: which I hadn't done in the first place, on glassdoor
Speaker 2: dot com and it was just one star. It was
Speaker 2: so many people being this guys a fraud, and I
Speaker 2: was like, wow, now I feel stupid, Yeah, because I
Speaker 2: did it for like six months.
Speaker 1: You live and learn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So what is Jack up to right now?
Speaker 1: He's he works part time at DIY, which is just
Speaker 1: like a little home improvement store, and he's a cashier
Speaker 1: and does all the stuff, and he's very into EDM
Speaker 1: as you are very familiar with with her daughter. He
Speaker 1: would love to be a DJ, so he's often on
Speaker 1: his board and producing his music. And so this is
Speaker 1: really deeply where my own voice has to keep repeating,
Speaker 1: give him space, give him time, because I of course
Speaker 1: sink back to my childhood and if I had told
Speaker 1: my father, yeah, dad, you know, this whole teaching thing
Speaker 1: just not really my jam. But I really think I
Speaker 1: want to produce music, and my dad no that's it.
Speaker 1: Just it's so character to everything I was raised with that,
Speaker 1: and I realized I was raised in a very strict
Speaker 1: it was a great household, but like we had a path,
Speaker 1: man like, none of us deviated from it. So I
Speaker 1: have to let my kid deviate from the path that
Speaker 1: I have set for him and let him figure it out.
Speaker 2: And is it hard? Like I wonder, do you make
Speaker 2: do you do? You leave a lot of room for
Speaker 2: the fact that he has autism?
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and so.
Speaker 2: You have different like expectations, not different expectations.
Speaker 1: But I have a real awareness that his path to
Speaker 1: from A to B may look very different than someone
Speaker 1: without autism. I'm really confident he'll get to a point B,
Speaker 1: but it's there might be zigzags in it and learning
Speaker 1: things along the way. And I again, it's as much
Speaker 1: a lesson for me as it is for him in
Speaker 1: just giving people space to do what they need to
Speaker 1: do and learn what they need to learn.
Speaker 2: But it's hard, right because you feel like, oh, my gosh,
Speaker 2: should I be supporting because I don't know? I have that.
Speaker 2: I wonder obviously, what will happen with LB when she
Speaker 2: graduates college, Like I'm going to have the same thing.
Speaker 2: She's going to be like, Okay, she's not going to
Speaker 2: want to move home, right, She's not going to be
Speaker 2: able to afford an apartment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I don't know's it's my own path
Speaker 1: as much as it is his. Like I'm doing a
Speaker 1: lot of work right now on how I perceive things
Speaker 1: and respond to things and react to things, because you
Speaker 1: can be supportive of someone whose dream you don't necessarily
Speaker 1: agree with. And we actually have a lot of friends
Speaker 1: with kids his age who don't want to get a
Speaker 1: part time job if they're if they want to be musicians,
Speaker 1: they just want to work on their music. And Jack is,
Speaker 1: you know, well, because we won't pay for stuff for him,
Speaker 1: he has to work, and I think he likes having
Speaker 1: that responsibility. And so I give him a lot of
Speaker 1: credit for that too, because I don't know what I
Speaker 1: would do if he didn't want to work or struggled
Speaker 1: with working. I don't I would probably just support him
Speaker 1: like I'm supporting him now, and I you know, you
Speaker 1: just never know how you're going to react, and so
Speaker 1: that happens to you.
Speaker 2: I just don't know that like just being like cool cool,
Speaker 2: just hang out and like it teaches much responsibility.
Speaker 1: And he's worked since he was sixteen, you know, since
Speaker 1: the moment he could work, and so he he likes
Speaker 1: that and he's saving his money. And you know, but
Speaker 1: we live in California. We live in southern California, so
Speaker 1: rent of a studio apartment would be more than our
Speaker 1: mortgages because you've lived in our house for thirty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, these kids would have to they'd have
Speaker 2: to have roommates, Like they're gonna have to like live
Speaker 2: like three or four in an apartment.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, oh boy.
Speaker 2: All right, well this was I'm so glad you came
Speaker 2: me too, so fun. It wasn't born to me. You're
Speaker 2: so you're on spring break, so we got you on
Speaker 2: your one. So in the past, the reason Robin was
Speaker 2: on more frequently was because you only worked a few
Speaker 2: days a week. But for the past few years you've
Speaker 2: been in full time. Yeah, so I can only get
Speaker 2: her when she's got time off of school. But before
Speaker 2: we go, let's say, let's give our shout outs to
Speaker 2: our people that pay us fifty dollars a month, like
Speaker 2: Krista Stroup is giving it to her friend Sarah, who
Speaker 2: lost her son to suicide. Just so sad, and she's
Speaker 2: trying to break the stigma surrounding suicide and fill in
Speaker 2: the gaps in her commute unity in Ohio where mental
Speaker 2: health needs aren't being met. So go to Chase Hayleyproject
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Speaker 2: friend has a Medium column called Unbecoming Stories, So if
Speaker 2: you go to Medium dot com look up Unbecoming Stories
Speaker 2: and you will not be disappointed. Also, The Family Skeptical
Speaker 2: it's a podcast about raising kids without religion, so check
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Speaker 1: And uh.
Speaker 2: Our friend Sergio is highlighting the ASPCI to help ASPCA
Speaker 2: obviously to help animals, and we talked a lot about
Speaker 2: doggies today and ASPCA does so much good work. So
Speaker 2: go to ASPCA dot org. And my friend and yours
Speaker 2: Jacob Crowley, is using his shout out for the ACLU,
Speaker 2: and our friend Carrie Kibbler is using hers for the
Speaker 2: Human Rights Campaign. These people are doing the Lord's work
Speaker 2: right now with everything that's going on in the world.
Speaker 2: And then every episode we talk about Adam Lerner Adam's
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Speaker 1: I drove my car here, I am in love with
Speaker 1: that car.
Speaker 2: Oh my God. And he made it really simple.
Speaker 1: Right beyond it was ridiculous and saved you money. Yes,
Speaker 1: And it was really funny because you could tell they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, there's a broker, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's because it saves me money and not them. Yes.
Speaker 2: Nice. And of course our friend Laura Wingfield is giving
Speaker 2: promo to her friend Oscar's Queer Youth Resource in Vancouver, Washington.
Speaker 2: They've lost a lot of resources they could use help,
Speaker 2: so go to qy RC Vancouver, WA dot org.
Speaker 1: Can I do a shout out for the rescue?
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, of course.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start paying for one for a couple months.
Speaker 1: It's called Popculture Rescue dot com dot org like pop culture, but.
Speaker 2: Oh pop culture.
Speaker 1: And they've been amazing. He's already neutered, he's already chipped,
Speaker 1: he's already you know. They're just caring and amazing. They've
Speaker 1: already checked in with me several times.
Speaker 2: Yeayeah.
Speaker 1: I love it And I want advice from people after
Speaker 1: they listen to this on everything we've talked about, So
Speaker 1: please post on the page.
Speaker 2: All right, everybody think you, Thank you, Caylin, thank you,
Speaker 2: Robin Wazinski. You're a parent.
Speaker 1: Now it's good