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Speaker 1: Made destange a pace sunny sun on I haddasion my night.

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Speaker 2: What's up everybody, it's me Stephanie again opening the show. Oh,

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it's just my voice. But guess what, I have a

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fantastic guest today. Kaylin's also here give you comfort of home.

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But I am so pleased to bring in my friend

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of a lot of years now.

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Speaker 1: I know, I just feel like for how many it's

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probably been eight.

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Speaker 2: Let's figure it out.

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Speaker 1: What was the San Francisco show God twenty kind of

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when We Fell in Love nineteen?

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Speaker 2: Was that in twenty nineteen or twenty seven?

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Speaker 1: Now, it would have been earlier than twenty nine seventeen, Yeah, probably, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it wasn't just a year before COVID Anyways,

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Robin Wazinski, that's my friend and yours. She's been a

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guest on the show before, too to great.

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Speaker 1: I don't know a palm.

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Speaker 2: Yes, everybody loved her. You you you. You've talked about

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a lot of like personal stuff on this show.

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Speaker 1: I even did a Patreon.

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Speaker 2: You did a Patreon that was very personal and touched

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a lot of people. How's it going, Kaitlin? Where are

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you going? Just wandering around?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Okay? Sorry, I'm an amateur.

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Speaker 2: We run a very loose ship here.

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Speaker 1: It's nice with video games. It's beautiful in here. You

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guys did it.

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Speaker 2: So you haven't been in the studio. Okay, so it's

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been at least two years since you've been on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really nice. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 2: You have so much news to share, and I want

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to get to that news. But I just want to

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say hi. I'm want to say hello to our favorite people,

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like Rebecca a little bit. She's your friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's in my pocket right now because she's a

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little cute.

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Speaker 2: You're golays so cute. And Kelly Brandt, She's she's gonna

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take you places that you want to go. Alicia Ascalante,

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Leslie still coughing, Aaron's a dirty Sanchez, Jennifer stet up, Sandra,

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it's not easy being green. Stephanie's a stinker rinker. Athena.

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We really love your makeup, everything about you. You're dancing

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all the stuff you Sean. Oh yeah, uh, Missy and

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Gabby saw your videos on our in our Facebook group.

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You guys are hilarious, right m hm. Katerina, you know

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you know Valerie hits it out of the Park, Polly,

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We Love your Pancakes, Rita is rock and Elizabeth Williamson's

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one hundred Children and her bassiet Nikki call Your Girl,

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Katie's rolling on e Kelly Lattie Dah and Dick is

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frolicking all right, Yeah, yeah, baby. You know what's funny

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is I do the editing for our classic f col

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shows on Thursdays.

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Speaker 1: I was sening. So is that the first time you've

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ever listened to the podcast when you've edited it? Because

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you always yes. But I hate listening.

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Speaker 2: I hate listen, Yeah, I do. I do hate listening,

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but yeah, I've gotten kind of used to it because

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I have to listen to shows to find old good episodes, right,

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And what's funny is listening to the old shouts because

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some of the people I'm like, oh my god, I

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forgot about her? Yeah, have any of Some of them

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are no, but some of them have just been around forever,

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and I'm like, wow, these people have been supporting us

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for like ten years.

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Speaker 1: It's so loyal. I love that.

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Speaker 2: I know. All Right, So you're kind of sleepy today.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I am operating on about an hour and a

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half of sleep.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I didn't know it was that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's my excuse if this goes totally sideway.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so why are you so tired?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Do you do you want me to like start

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at the.

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Speaker 2: Beginning, Yes, start at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So me and Wade, my husband, we are dog people.

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We have always had dogs, and our last set were

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Pumpkin and Pepper are sweet little Wire her dog sins

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and Pumpkin died about a year ago, and previous the

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previous two years to losing her were very labor intensive

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because she was diabetic and super sick and then got dementia,

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so a lot of early morning, sleepless nights, and so

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then you know, so by the time we said goodbye

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to her, like I was ready to be without a dog.

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And I made this proclamation like I think we're done

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with dogs, Like I'm good. We can travel, we don't

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have to have your parents' dogs that like, I'm I'm good.

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I've had a lifetime of dogs. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: And I can attest to that because I was like,

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are you going to get another dog? And you were like, no,

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absolutely not. You sounded kind of bitchy. Yeah, you were

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like very stern.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you told me that, so thank you.

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Speaker 2: I was like, wow, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So then I, you know, little by little, because it's

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been just over a year, I start noticing, like I'm

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looking at a lot of dogs on Instagram, and my

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friend Janice came over with her little Remy, who's the sweetest,

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and you know, I started getting that pull.

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Speaker 2: Kaki fever.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not going to say anything, you know, like

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this when I'm keeping myself. And then Wade like walks

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into the room a couple of weeks ago and said,

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you know, when you're ready for another dog, I'm ready

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to And I'm like shit because I was hoping he'd

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be like the barrier. So anyway, it was sort of

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floating out into the universe. And I was in Vegas

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this weekend and Janice the one was said, Remy texts

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me from Venice and there's an adoption event and they

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text me a pat.

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Speaker 2: So had you shared with Janice that you were maybe

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open to getting a dog?

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Speaker 1: You know what, when they were over for Wade's birthday

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a couple of weeks ago, they we were talking about it.

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So of course she gets it in her head and

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she's a total pusher, you know what I mean, Like

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everyone should have a dog. So she's on the lookout

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now and so sends me this picture and I'm like, oh,

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and his name is Tabasco. And I would say, okay,

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I'm in Vegas, so text Wade and next thing I know,

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there's this group text and then Wade's texting me separately

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if you're ready. I am, and it's like okay, we're

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in and Janice is ecstatic and this is all happening

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via text. So she leaves, she had gone home, she

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leaves to go back to the event to try to

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get him, and it.

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Speaker 2: So she doesn't have any connection to these people, right.

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Speaker 1: I know. Janice is the kind that, now that she's

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met them, she does do you know. I'm sure she's

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introduced herself. They know we're dog now they so she's

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she's kind of like you in that way.

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Speaker 2: Why does she go to adoption events if is she

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thinking about also getting another dog?

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Speaker 1: She loves dogs? Okay, and they were they live in Venice,

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so I'm sure they were just out on a walk

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and you know, I'm sure part of it was circumstantial, right,

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you have to fill it an application, and apparently Tabasca

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was the most popular dog at the event, so you

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need to make it good. And so we start texting

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bullet points and she's like, oh, I'm gonna start working

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Speaker 2: And when you sent me a picture of the dog,

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and I was like, oh, hell, yes, yeah, I know

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this dog is freaking cute. We'll post a picture already post.

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Speaker 1: It, okay, only on my small Facebook pok okay, so

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you'll post it in the group. And so now the

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tide has like everyone knows this. It's like a human flaw.

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Like you're logical and rational about things until you make

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the decision like now I want to talk. Yeah, and

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there's no turning back. And I'm like literally talking about

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like how do we find the other people applying and

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like maybe docs them or like whatever needs to happen.

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I want this dog. And so uh went back to

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the hotel in Vegas and you know, we pieced together

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this great application and hear nothing. I told you to

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be funny too, and I there was a little bit

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of funny, okay, And then you kept texting me, have

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you heard anything? Have you heard any I'm like, no,

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it's I mean, I this was Saturday night. Then Sunday.

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I'm like, they probably don't work on Sunday. I flew

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home and literally when I walk in the door from Vegas,

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I get an email that says we'd like to move

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forward with your adoption. And I like, I start crying,

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and when can we FaceTime you to do like a

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digital home inspection or whatever. And I'm like, oh my god,

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I'm home right now, call me right now. And uh

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so it all like within an hour though. So wait,

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so she face times you, she face times me, and.

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Speaker 2: You have to like walk into your backyard and show

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all the fencing exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she kind of just tells me Tabasco's history

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that he's been an owner surrender. The owner has the

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mother who was supposedly Spade and wasn't got pregnant and

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had at least two puppies. She was surrendered with the

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mom and Tabasco and Tabasco.

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Speaker 2: So the owners just got rid of all the dogs.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the circumstances behind it, you know what

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or no human interaction. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So this poor mama dog had her babies probably outside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were pretty worried about socializing them, and

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they said almost immediately, the sister and the mom were,

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you know, all over the rescue and Tabasco took a

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little bit longer, but cuddly. He loves to be in

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your lap. He wants you to hold him. So I

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within an hour. The person who was fostering him was

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in Woodland Hills and she was at the house with

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our new baby yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the beginning, how did that?

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Speaker 1: It was good? You know? She I always call her

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she because three of our last word dogs have been female. He.

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By the way, we're not calling him Tabasco because a

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three syllable dog name is too long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So we've kind and I know you have an issue

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with this, Stephanie, but I want you to try to

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accept it. We're calling him Bosco, got it, because Basco

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is not a name, and it could be, but we're

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calling them Bosco.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Bosco's cute, and it's you know, I think

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brown dog's name Bosco is you know, it's a it's

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an homage to Bosco, isn't it. Wasn't it Bosco the

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kind of chocolate sauce you put.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, but Bosco. Our dog is white?

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Speaker 2: You have had a Bossco? Oh no, you're not our.

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Speaker 1: Current Yeah he's totally white.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay. So yeah, so so it doesn't make sense

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on several loves.

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Speaker 1: One is even a Baco should be like a like

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a red labordoodle, right, so correct, or maybe he has.

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Speaker 2: But the dog was misnamed to begin with exactly, But

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I'm with you. Like when we got Penelope, we were

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they called her Penny and Penelope, but the rescue where

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that took her in was calling her Pepo so we

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which we thought was so dorky at the time, you know,

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but then you're like, we we went through all these

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different names. We were going to call her Babbeloo, and

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we had different names because it was named after our

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favorite restaurant in Santa Monica that was where John and

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I kind of we had some dates there. Anyway, point

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being is in the end we were like, seems just

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mean to try to change her name completely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we sort of where we were at too, Yeah,

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where it has to be some form of what he's

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been called before.

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Speaker 2: Right, And that's how we felt. We were like, well,

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what are we going to call her? That sounds like

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Penelope or Pepo? Besides, just let's just keep it.

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Speaker 1: You could call her like Penelope or Pepo, which you know,

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we went with that. Okay, so and Bosco Bosco. And

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so this is interesting too in our application because we

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we put that we would take the sister too. But

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when they emailed me, it just was talking about Tabasco.

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we never adopt littermates together because there's something called littermates syndrome,

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and it's where they either are aggressive with each other

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or they don't connect with the humans. And I thought

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that's kind of crazy because we've experienced both with littermates,

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and Wade kind of refuses to believe that that's actually

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a thing. But I think it's really valid, especially if

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a reputable rescue has made this decision, because rescues are

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not about like separating dogs who need to be together. Yeah,

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so that was interesting. So it will be the first

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time that we only have one dog and okay, sorry,

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I should have just turned my phone off. Someone was

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calling me. I don't. So we get him. He's a

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little nervous but exploring, and let's us hold him and

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love him. And then I swear to you, the second

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the sun went down, he's like agitated and just wants

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to be outside. And it was a rough night. He

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cried and howled and paced, and I finally got him

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to settle in our bed, and so I think that's

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probably where he'll be sleeping, which I also said would

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never happen again.

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Speaker 2: But well, so when we got Penelope, they told us

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I don't remember what they said about where she slept,

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but we were like, our bed was a queen sized

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bed at that time, and it's sparely enough room for us,

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you know, And we remembered back when the kid would

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sleep well, Elbe would sleep in our bed. Sometimes Elbe

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slept in our bed when she was really little. Then

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was she made it to her own bed and was

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fine for a number for years. I feel like it's

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when that we had the twins. Yeah, so she was three.

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get upset and come in our room in the middle

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of the night and sleep in our room, in our bed,

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and it was pretty awful for a few years because

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there was just no room because she wasn't a tiny baby.

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big body, and we were like, oh my god, this sucks.

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want to say, like at least a year and a

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half or so of until she was a little bit older.

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And then finally one night I had to talk with

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her and I was like, we just don't have room

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in our bed for you. Oh no, this was Elbe.

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So this was Elbe when she was little. So when

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we got Penelope, we were like, we're not having a

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dog in our bed because it was sixty pounds.

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Speaker 1: I was like, we don't have room for this.

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Speaker 2: Dog in our bed. And John and I were both like, yeah,

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we're gonna be strong because we finally got Elbe out

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of the bed. Now we can't we can't be like

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having a sixty pound dog in our bed. So we

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bought her like a nice dog bed and it was

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right at the foot of our bed, but our bed's

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kind of high, so it's not like we could see her.

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And she wasn't, so we were and this went on

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for like six months. She slept in her dog bed,

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but she would always whine to want to come up

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in our bed, and we were like, nope, be strong,

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because we'd heard once they're in your bed, they're not

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out of your bed. It's like a kid, yeah, right right,

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So we were like no, no, no, no no. And

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then one day John looked at me and I looked

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at John and he was like, I don't know. She

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would just like let her up here, and I was like, yeah,

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let's just let her up here. Never we could never

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look back because she was so happy curled up with us,

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fell asleep and was like, couldn't have been happier. And

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then would always like stand by the bed and want

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to get up on the bed and we would be

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like all right, And then that was it. And then

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that's what made us go like, Okay, if we're moving

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into a new room, we're getting a king sized bed

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so that because this is ridiculous, because it was like

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having a big child. It was a third person in

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her bed, right, But bosc Go's little.

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Speaker 1: Bosco's little. He's only ten pounds and.

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Speaker 2: He'll sleep at the foot of your bed probably when

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he gets used to.

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Speaker 1: It, and it actually doesn't really matter to me. I

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mean after last night and he didn't settle in until

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five am.

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Speaker 2: So what was he doing though? Was he getting agitated

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and wanting to get off the bed and wanting to

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go outside?

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Speaker 1: Yes, and then he would walk around because we have

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a crate, because he slept in a crate. Well, it

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was funny, the foster, she said, well, he sleeps in

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a crate, but he actually slept in my bed.

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Speaker 2: The foster said that, okay.

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Speaker 1: And I you know, I think he'll probably be okay

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sleeping anywhere once he knows he's safe and he's staying

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and you know, nothing bad is going to happen to him.

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But I so today I'm actually going to call a

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trainer just because I want to talk to someone and

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meet with someone about like, I mean, talk about attachment

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and how do we reassure him and you know, because

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I've yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think I've probably dealt

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with this with my other dogs. But I feel like

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I'm actually an adult now with a dog who can

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call a trainer to help me and get some guidance

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out what's the best way to enter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you might only need like one or two sessions,

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But I think that's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean there is not an aggressive bone

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in his body. He is just the sweetest little guy.

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So I'm really happy, but really tired.

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Speaker 2: I do think it will be a quicker adjustment with

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a dog than like an actual baby.

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Speaker 1: I do too, Oh of course. Well, I remember when

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Jack was born, we had Fox terriers and they're they're

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a lot of dog. They're naughty and self you know,

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they're they don't care what you think about them. But

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we Wade and Hair sitting on the couch and I

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think I was nursing and Dotton Dasher just kind of

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in the living room, and Wade looks at me and

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he said, isn't it weird that our dogs are so

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much smarter than Jack at this age? She was like,

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they know their name, they go outside to pee. It's

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like Jack's not gonna know any of that. For a

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long time, I thought that is kind of weird. They're

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much more self sufficient than humans.

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Speaker 2: But then they kind of top out, you know what

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I mean?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I mean, and they can't like solve math problems,

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even like kind of basic exact ones.

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Speaker 1: They can't make their own dinner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, they're like they stand there by their bowl

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like waiting for you to do it.

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Speaker 1: It's like open the refrigerator.

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Speaker 1: God gave you pause for a reason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like you can't do anything. You can't open

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the front door and go out for a little walk

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good where I am. I even said to Annie after

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we'd met her and I was starting to have a

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little bit of cold feet. I was like, I don't know, like,

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are you sure you don't want to keep her? Like

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she's very attached to you, And Annie was like, yeah,

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I can't keep her, like I got six in my

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house right now, Like it's I'm trying to like, no,

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it's going to be great, you'll see, and I'm like,

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I don't know. She did not want to have anything

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to do with anybody in our family. She just we

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went to this place to meet her. It was like

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a pet food store and they were doing the adoption

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event and we tried to walk her outside and all

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she did was cry and pull back inside because she

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wanted back with her with Annie.

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Speaker 1: So how long did it take?

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Speaker 2: So when she was like, Okay, you're getting the dog,

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I'm gonna just be totally honest, I was really worried.

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I was not feeling like, oh my god, this is

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our dog. I can't wait. I was like, I don't

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I don't know how this is going to go because

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she doesn't want she doesn't want a new home. She

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wants the home she's in right now, and I feel

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like I'm taking her away. So Annie had like an

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assistance and somebody that works with the rescue but who

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wasn't attached to the dog. She had her come and

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take Penelope to us. Oh that's a good idea, yeah,

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And then so she came in the house. So she

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wasn't crying for this woman because she didn't really know

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00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,599
her that well. So she was pretty sweet like the

472
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,559
first day. But I don't think that I think it

473
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:31,279
took well, oh, here's what happened. She was totally fine,

474
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:35,640
and she was We weren't like super attached to her

475
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,519
though yet at this point, and I'll tell you why,

476
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:41,759
because she wasn't like attached to us yet. But once

477
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,519
she'd spent like a few nights, she started to develop

478
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:48,279
a routine. And it's always so hard to figure out

479
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:50,640
what your dog's routine is because at first we were

480
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:54,240
taking her on a lot of walks a day because

481
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,160
we're like, well, she's probably gonna have to go at

482
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,319
like eleven o'clock at night, so we would take her,

483
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:00,880
you know, in the morning, and then in the afternoon

484
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,559
and then like in the evening and then late night.

485
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,279
So that because we didn't know if she could sleep

486
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:05,960
through the night.

487
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: So how did she do it? Night?

488
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: So this dog did sleep through the night from the

489
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,079
get go, Oka, But she was already we think probably

490
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,640
three or four, right what they told us she was

491
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,680
a year, but I don't think she was a year.

492
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:23,880
I think she was older. And so she went to

493
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,160
sleep all night, So we didn't really have that, but

494
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:32,640
she did get she had allergies, she had other stuff

495
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,400
going on that was like difficult at the beginning, like

496
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,519
some medical stuff. But anyway, I remember taking her back

497
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,880
to go visit Annie and her being like so happy

498
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,920
to see Annie, and it was a worried me a

499
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,000
little bit because she was like it was like her

500
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:53,279
long lot, like her mom. Like she ran at her

501
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:55,880
and like jumped on her and was hugging on her.

502
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,359
But we did it another like six months later, and

503
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,599
she cried for us, like she would look wanted to

504
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,720
see where we were. And I remember thinking, Oh, now

505
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,599
she's fully our dogs, Like she doesn't want Annie anymore,

506
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:12,200
she wants us.

507
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, she like shifted her attachment, yes, and she.

508
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,079
Speaker 2: Was like so, but I mean she was attached to

509
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,680
us well before that, but I mean at that point,

510
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:22,960
I was like, oh, she doesn't even see Annie as

511
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,880
her primary attachment at all. And she was fully like Ann.

512
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,440
It's I think six months in is when we relented

513
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,119
and let her sleep in the bed. And I think

514
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,799
from then on too, she's just she's this dog is

515
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:42,400
like a pack animal. Yes, but she chose me and John.

516
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,599
And the one thing that's been hard is like she

517
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:46,119
never attached to the kids.

518
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: Oh that I I wonder if that's pretty typical though.

519
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: Even we tried for a while to have the kids

520
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:56,359
be in charge of like feeding her and being the

521
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,759
one Nope, she doesn't care.

522
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was that yesterday. Bosco fell asleep on Jack's

523
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:07,079
lapp and I was at Petco getting all the gear

524
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,720
and Wade sent me a picture like, Oh, it was

525
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:14,000
just so nice because I mean we've always had dogs

526
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:17,480
with Jack growing up, but in a certain way they

527
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:20,480
haven't been his you know, kind of like you're saying

528
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,839
with your kids. And now that he's twenty two and

529
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,200
is so much more aware of like how you engage

530
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,319
with a dog and love a dog, I feel like

531
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,000
this will you know, be his dog too.

532
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: So that's a good lead into so what is going

533
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:39,440
on with Jack as your son? He has autism. You

534
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,160
one time that you were on the show a couple

535
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,839
times ago, you told us the whole story, and I

536
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:49,480
re aired that episode, Oh wow with you telling the

537
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:52,319
story of him as a little kid. But he's come

538
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:54,559
a super long way. He's been to college.

539
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,119
Speaker 1: Yeah and back yep. Yeah. So he went to junior

540
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,519
college for two years because he twenty twenty kid, So

541
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,079
the world shut down his senior year, which was devastating

542
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:08,799
for me and I don't think he really gave a

543
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,559
shit because he had never graduated from high school. So

544
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:16,279
he did two years of junior college completely online.

545
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: Wow, So his senior year was at home.

546
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,319
Speaker 1: Yes, well, the last three months of his senior.

547
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: Year, Okay, so he was like from March, right, and

548
00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:32,000
then he was So then the whole first year of

549
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:33,920
junior college was home.

550
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: And it ended up being the first he went both

551
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:40,200
years online because junior colleges had a much harder time

552
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:43,039
getting back in person just because of the cost.

553
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, for some reason, I had it in my

554
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,319
head that it was like an online school.

555
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,119
Speaker 1: No, it was College of the Canyons, College of coc At,

556
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:56,480
College of the Canyons. And I think he made the

557
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:01,480
choice really to stay in digital class is because I

558
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,440
know there are classes he could have done on campus,

559
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,240
and so he did go in some that second year,

560
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,519
but it was just so convenient, you know, to be

561
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,480
doing it online.

562
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: Right.

563
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:16,799
Speaker 1: And then he went through the whole application process to

564
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:22,039
transfer and got a lot of acceptances to a lot

565
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:25,440
of good schools. Because I'm trying to think the first one,

566
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,680
I think the first one he got was UC Davis,

567
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,799
and you know, he was super excited and then he

568
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,160
got San Diego State and Cal State Long Beach and

569
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,599
Cal State North, all the Cal states. He wanted to

570
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,160
go to his first choice, and.

571
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:47,119
Speaker 2: I think he got UCSD. You're right, yeah, so that.

572
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,599
Speaker 1: You were just that's right. I forgot about that.

573
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Do I remember more about your child than you do?

574
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: Probably? Yeah, yes you do. But he his first choice

575
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:02,640
was Long Beach and it had been since before he applied,

576
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:07,799
and so we went and visited. It was so weird

577
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,480
during that time because everything was still kind of shut

578
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,599
down in a weird way, but it wasn't. It was

579
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,319
just hard to get tours. It was. So when we

580
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:23,559
went to the campus, it was very quiet because it is,

581
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,400
for the large part a commuter school, so it didn't

582
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,759
have that energy that I think he envisioned. And he,

583
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:35,440
you know, came and he's like, this weekend they're having

584
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,799
an orientation at San Diego State. Can we go? And

585
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,200
the second we walked on campus, he's like, oh, yeah,

586
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,039
I think this is where I want to go. And

587
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,359
he was sold from the moment he stepped on campus.

588
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:54,039
Speaker 2: So did he ever go on a tour of UCSD.

589
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: No, because when he had done the tour, San Diego

590
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:02,920
State and then got accepted to UCSD like a week later.

591
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,480
I remember him coming out and saying, I just got

592
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:09,319
into U see San Diego, Like wow, what are you

593
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:11,599
going to do? I don't know. What do you think

594
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,640
I should do? Like, well, like make a pro con list,

595
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:18,640
like go do some research. And he came out ten

596
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,920
minutes later he's like, I'm going to go to San

597
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,319
Diego State. He liked that they had a football team,

598
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,319
he liked that you know they had It was everything

599
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,960
he had sort of envisioned college would be. Uh huh,

600
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:36,039
and he took advantage of everything everyone in visions college

601
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:40,200
should be. So is Elbie. Yeah, oh my. He did

602
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,359
graduate in four years and he's back at home now.

603
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,079
And as anyone who has twenty two year old twenty

604
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:56,000
two year old kids, it's rough out there. It's it's

605
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,480
hard to find a part time job. And it's so

606
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,119
foreign to me because I'm a teacher. My path was

607
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,279
so predetermined. You know, you go to college, you go

608
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,239
and get your credential, you get a teaching job, and

609
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,079
that's what you do. That's for your life, and that's

610
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,079
what I wanted to do. But he has a degree

611
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:20,960
in communication and there's no set path, and there's not

612
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:24,559
a credential when you have a communication major. So he's

613
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,639
you know, I'm trying to just give him space because

614
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,000
I'm such a control freak and I want everything to

615
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:36,960
be decided right now. But it's really been a test

616
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,039
for me in like reminding myself he's twenty two. He

617
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,800
I didn't know if he would ever talk. It's like,

618
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,679
so let's let him figure stuff out. Because very few

619
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,239
people knew what they were going to do with the

620
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,360
rest of their life at twenty two years old.

621
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: So right after he I feel like it was when

622
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,119
he graduated, tell us about out the one, like he

623
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:03,920
had a couple of job possibilities.

624
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is going to be like a

625
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:14,000
PSA to people, especially with male children in college. But first,

626
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:17,639
let me start with the bullet list of things to

627
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,719
tell your autistic kid who's in college that we thought

628
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:27,920
everyone just knew. So his senior year, it's probably November

629
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:33,000
and he calls me. He says, great news, mom, we're

630
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:37,719
all renewing the least together on this house. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

631
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,000
And like we have to sign it by tomorrow or

632
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:47,639
we're not going to get it. And he's telling me dude,

633
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:53,320
we don't pay your rent after you graduate. Oh my god.

634
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,840
Oh and it's like God, I guess that should have

635
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,639
been like a sit down of like things. I assume

636
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,440
he knew but didn't, right. So and then I had

637
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,719
the conversation with him because first of all, he was

638
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,480
living My god, it was what do you call it,

639
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:14,440
like a slum word kind of house. It hid big

640
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,440
house in the neighborhood right across the street from campus,

641
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,679
all sorts of add on. I mean, it's basically like

642
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,039
a slum word version of the Wrigley Mansion, No, the

643
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:32,599
one who's the gun, uh, the weird mansion near San Francisco,

644
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,000
where like there are staircases that lead nowhere and people.

645
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,159
Speaker 2: Are in castle now.

646
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:42,519
Speaker 1: People are yelling at the podcast at their radio right now.

647
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,760
It'll come, it'll come to me, okay, and or someone

648
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,119
will tell us. But it some rooms with no wind,

649
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,800
with no windows, no less, no closets, and we're paying

650
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,159
twelve to fifty a month, uh huh, plus utilities, plus

651
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,559
cleaning the pool, and so it's overpriced. It's disgusting, and

652
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,880
he's having a blast. So anyway, that conversation I had

653
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,440
that we will not be paying your rent. So when

654
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,719
you're looking for a job, keep that in mind. So

655
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,480
they had a job there, and he had this very

656
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:24,559
legitimate interview with a company that does basically like event planning,

657
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:27,519
and it looked really interesting and I kind of vetted

658
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,559
it and it would have been a great opportunity. He

659
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:34,480
got a second interview, he didn't get the job. Then

660
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:37,800
he gets this other interview and God, you're gonna have

661
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,000
to fill in because I have, honestly, for my own protection,

662
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:47,280
blocked a lot of this out. He's telling me about, Okay,

663
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,519
I got a job offer from this new place. Like

664
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:57,920
let's say they're like embedded design company or what are

665
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,480
some totally rent right?

666
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: I thought it was like an exterminator company.

667
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:11,199
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that that's another one. Okay, start with that, okay,

668
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,880
because I remember that one more vividly. Hey Mom, I

669
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,599
have this opportunity, say okay. Opportunity has become such a

670
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:24,920
trigger word for me because it's, oh my god, it's

671
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,239
so bad. I have this opportunity for my roommate to

672
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,079
go live in Washington for the summer and make sixty

673
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:36,119
thousand dollars. I'm like, okay, can I do it to? Like?

674
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:37,719
What is this.

675
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

676
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,079
Speaker 1: It's like something with like exterminating or extermination or some

677
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,199
I okay, look into it because it doesn't sound legit.

678
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:50,199
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

679
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,679
Speaker 1: Okay, calls me again, Okay, I have an interview tomorrow,

680
00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:00,800
and say interview as we're using that term loosely, and

681
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,400
he calls me back after the interview and says, Okay,

682
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,599
so apparently it's not Washington State. It's Washington, d C.

683
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:17,119
But I would have to start in Texas and then

684
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,400
go to Washington, d C. And then come home. But

685
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,639
I got all the details. Okay, so where do you live?

686
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:31,719
I don't know how much do they pay you? Well,

687
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,199
if you make your quota, of course you get like

688
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,480
ten thousand a week. What if you don't make your quota?

689
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:42,880
I don't know what's the name of the company. I

690
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,119
don't know. That's when I would have like, what the

691
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,400
fuck did you ask them? Because you haven't been able

692
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:50,840
to answer.

693
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:52,119
Speaker 2: But I got all the details.

694
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: I have all the DC MOMB totally no worries. So

695
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,880
I hang up, just go, oh my god, it's some

696
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,280
weird like multi level marketing thing. I honestly, all I

697
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:09,159
have to put into Google is exterminating college student scam.

698
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:12,840
And the company comes up and I don't remember what

699
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,000
they're called, but basically they send these kids door to

700
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:22,920
door trying to sell extermination contracts and then they sell

701
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,239
them to like termin X. But who's going to make

702
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:33,159
their quota? And it totally preys on, I think, on

703
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:40,440
young men because they are really appealing to their masculinity,

704
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:45,400
and because Jack is already has like their talk, I said, well,

705
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,960
what happens if you don't make your quota? Well, I

706
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,599
am going to make my quota because I'm not afraid

707
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:54,760
of hard work. Oh and the people who don't make

708
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,079
their quota, like they don't get what it takes to succeed.

709
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:02,800
And that he's already repeating clearly.

710
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:05,199
Speaker 2: What he's been told in this listen. I'm always I'm

711
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,840
abc always be closing.

712
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: I got it, So I look. I had a little

713
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,000
sit down with him and I said, Okay, so let's

714
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:21,880
just play out worst case scenario. You don't make your quota.

715
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,960
You live in their housing and it's eight hundred dollars

716
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:31,199
a month. You have to pay for your plane ticket

717
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,719
to Texas, you have to pay for your plane ticket

718
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,000
to Washington. You have to pay for your plane ticket home.

719
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,000
You would be leaving a month before your lease and

720
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,079
you'd have to be paying me twelve hundred dollars for

721
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,639
rent for a house you're not at right, you will

722
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,320
end up owing money. So do you want to spend

723
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,400
your last summer in San Diego going door to door

724
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:57,599
in one hundred and twelve degree Texas heat? Or do

725
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:00,199
you want to stay with your roommates in Sandy Let

726
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:05,760
go and for the last time have no responsibility. And

727
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,320
that's sold.

728
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:07,639
Speaker 2: So he went to Texas.

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745
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Great timing for that, yeah, exactly, So what was the other?

746
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,760
Then there was another one though too, that was another sales.

747
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: Thing, another sales thing, and they all they get themselves

748
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,400
onto these college apps. I forget what they're called, but

749
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,960
there's one specific one where kids look for jobs who

750
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:28,360
are in or graduating from college or trying to get

751
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,239
an internship. And again he goes into the office for

752
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,840
an interview and his Spidey sense is kind of going

753
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,000
off because the sign on the door is different than

754
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:46,519
the signs in the office. Yes, and they can't really

755
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:52,679
articulate like what he would be doing, but it's basically

756
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,719
they work with like Spectrum or T Mobile and it

757
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:03,199
has something to do with selling Wi Fi or different contracts.

758
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,199
So again just screaming in my mind, this is some

759
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,800
weird like multi level marketing or you're basically using these

760
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:18,440
kids essentially as cheap labor. Yes, and again going door

761
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,320
to door, it's like who it's that's just torture. So

762
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,440
thankfully I remember, I'm always somewhere weird. When these phone

763
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,199
calls happened. I was in Nashville last year on my

764
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,639
girls trip, and so I had this late night long

765
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:35,960
conversation with him where he and I are looking at

766
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,639
Reddit pages together trying to figure out what this is.

767
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:43,920
And he said, well, then should I not go on

768
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,480
the interview or should I not go to sign the papers?

769
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:49,400
What do you think? Because by now he's skeptical too,

770
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,480
and he's doing some research. And I said, look, go

771
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:58,280
in if you want, but you you have no commitment

772
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,480
to them just because they've quote unquote hired you. So

773
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,440
he goes in and there are like three other people

774
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:13,239
they're also signing a contract. And he realizes now that

775
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,039
one of the guys was a plant because they're talking

776
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:19,719
about like, okay, so you are going to work six

777
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,679
days a week, and a lot of us like we're

778
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,440
just such good friends, like we all live together. Oh no,

779
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:30,639
and like they're asking Jack, like what are you interested in?

780
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,800
And he said, well, I've you know, I've started working out. Oh,

781
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,719
we all work out together. We have a gym that

782
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,079
we go to together, and I actually have like a

783
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,280
D and D campaign. Oh my god, so do we

784
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,679
we have our own D and D campaign everything, he says,

785
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,360
So it's a total cult.

786
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,159
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

787
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: The guy who he now thinks is a plant is

788
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:54,400
signing his contract and he's saying, I am just so

789
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,920
excited to have a job where I'm gonna have to

790
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,440
work so hard and not be bored. Oh my god.

791
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:09,079
It was so bizarre, and I, you know, he signed something,

792
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:11,519
I'm like, it doesn't matter you you don't have to

793
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:16,960
go in. So again, it was basically a cult, door

794
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:19,239
to door, bizarre kind of thing.

795
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: But I remember with this one, you were like, I

796
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,039
don't want to be this negative because I think this

797
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,760
happened after the exterminating thing, and you're like, I can't

798
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,400
tell him with each thing, like, no, you can't do that.

799
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,719
It's you know, so you were waiting for him to

800
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,239
kind of decide for himself, and then he did.

801
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:39,039
Speaker 1: And he did, and I think that was the phone

802
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:41,960
call in Nashville when he's like, holy shit, mom, you

803
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:46,079
were right. And they do this thing where these companies

804
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,920
changed their name every six months, so when you go

805
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:53,360
to Google them or check the Better Business Bureau, right

806
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,159
they've changed their name. So there's like there's zero digital

807
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:03,000
footprint about like what there actually doing. And I'm sure

808
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:06,960
people listening have had experience with these companies because I

809
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,000
have a feeling they just pray on college kids.

810
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be careful always. Remember when I

811
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,360
got that job for that psychiatrist.

812
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: Or podcast thing or it was, Yeah, it.

813
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: Was it was a podcast, but I was doing a

814
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:31,880
radio show. But it sounded it was recommended. It was

815
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,360
recommended by a friend of a friend. It was actually

816
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,880
somebody who knows Julie Caseum. So it seemed on the

817
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,400
level at first, you know, so I didn't have any

818
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,079
reason to really question it, and I was like, oh, okay,

819
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:47,079
And then I interviewed with the guy. Yeah, I interviewed

820
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:49,639
and I was all excited. And then I was going

821
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:55,199
to be producing episodes for this radio show. And then

822
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,840
it was I was going to so it was I

823
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,400
might have had to drive to San Clemente. Well, first

824
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,360
I was going to have to go just to ABC,

825
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:05,400
which is not that far like Culver City. Then I

826
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,280
was going to have to drive to San Clemente. But

827
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,440
the problem was that the day before I had already

828
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,360
produced the first episode. I'd already with you know, I

829
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,679
hadn't gone in I'd already done all the research and

830
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,119
like found an interview for it. Blah blah blah. And

831
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:24,599
then the night before I googled the guy and I

832
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,480
googled the company and it came up with that there

833
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,239
had been an FBI raid on the company and all

834
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,000
this stuff. And then remember at the time, doctor Drew

835
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:37,960
wasn't crazy. I called doctor Drew and I was like,

836
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,159
holy shit, this psychiatrist.

837
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: Wasn't it a rehab kind of it was a rehab facility.

838
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 2: It was a company that owns rehabs. And they've been

839
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,880
called Sovereign Health. They'd been they've been these news stories.

840
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:55,039
They'd been raided by the FBI. And the doctor that

841
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:56,920
I was, the doctor that I was going to work for,

842
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,079
was no longer a doctor because he'd been stripped of

843
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:03,519
his medical license and he'd gone to school to like

844
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:07,039
not an actual real school, like one of these weird

845
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,400
like I'm not saying, an online degree, but something that

846
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:11,920
it wasn't really like.

847
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:14,119
Speaker 1: Did he go to the same medical school as you?

848
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:17,440
Pretty much?

849
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:20,679
Speaker 2: But not only that, but that had been taken away,

850
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,679
so he was so he couldn't legally call himself a doctor.

851
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:24,519
Speaker 1: Wow.

852
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,199
Speaker 2: And then I was like what do I do? And

853
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:32,400
doctor Drew's like, well, you know what this happens sometimes,

854
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,239
like psychiatrists are really there, tend to be victims of

855
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,639
like people come after them and especially rehabs. Like he

856
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,480
was on that guy's side, okay, I mean, I don't

857
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:44,480
want to say he was like no, I know that guy.

858
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:47,280
He's totally on the level. He's like I would go in,

859
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,639
do the job, and then like keep an eye out,

860
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,079
see what's going on. So I did. I ended up

861
00:49:56,119 --> 00:49:58,679
going in because it was the next day. I would

862
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,800
have had to leave the guy totally high and dry.

863
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:04,239
So I went in and then I was like, wow,

864
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,159
like he's not saying that, he's not constantly saying he's

865
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:13,880
a psychiatrist. He's skirting around it, and he doesn't seem like.

866
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,880
I gave it the benefit of the doubt for a while,

867
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:20,119
until I finally realized this guy has like a vendette.

868
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:23,760
He's just trying to get money from these health insurance companies.

869
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,840
His main thing was like he was very mad that

870
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,840
these people weren't reimbursing him because he was being accused

871
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,280
of fraud. And when it became really clear to me

872
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,280
that it probably was fraud, and then he wasn't paying

873
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,119
people at his company.

874
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:40,559
Speaker 1: And then paying you.

875
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: Oh eventually yeah, well he paid me a check that

876
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,519
bounced and then the funds were frozen. Yes, so that

877
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:52,039
all happened. But also I ended up looking up the company,

878
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,519
which I hadn't done in the first place, on glassdoor

879
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:58,199
dot com and it was just one star. It was

880
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,119
so many people being this guys a fraud, and I

881
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:03,760
was like, wow, now I feel stupid, Yeah, because I

882
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,920
did it for like six months.

883
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:07,559
Speaker 1: You live and learn.

884
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So what is Jack up to right now?

885
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: He's he works part time at DIY, which is just

886
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:20,039
like a little home improvement store, and he's a cashier

887
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:25,280
and does all the stuff, and he's very into EDM

888
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,320
as you are very familiar with with her daughter. He

889
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,599
would love to be a DJ, so he's often on

890
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:38,639
his board and producing his music. And so this is

891
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,360
really deeply where my own voice has to keep repeating,

892
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,159
give him space, give him time, because I of course

893
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,519
sink back to my childhood and if I had told

894
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:54,360
my father, yeah, dad, you know, this whole teaching thing

895
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:57,360
just not really my jam. But I really think I

896
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:03,440
want to produce music, and my dad no that's it.

897
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:07,199
Just it's so character to everything I was raised with that,

898
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,880
and I realized I was raised in a very strict

899
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,239
it was a great household, but like we had a path,

900
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,599
man like, none of us deviated from it. So I

901
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:23,079
have to let my kid deviate from the path that

902
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,760
I have set for him and let him figure it out.

903
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,079
Speaker 2: And is it hard? Like I wonder, do you make

904
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,239
do you do? You leave a lot of room for

905
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,000
the fact that he has autism?

906
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,159
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and so.

907
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: You have different like expectations, not different expectations.

908
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:50,199
Speaker 1: But I have a real awareness that his path to

909
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:54,559
from A to B may look very different than someone

910
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:58,079
without autism. I'm really confident he'll get to a point B,

911
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:03,440
but it's there might be zigzags in it and learning

912
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,159
things along the way. And I again, it's as much

913
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,400
a lesson for me as it is for him in

914
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,400
just giving people space to do what they need to

915
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,280
do and learn what they need to learn.

916
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: But it's hard, right because you feel like, oh, my gosh,

917
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,679
should I be supporting because I don't know? I have that.

918
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:27,119
I wonder obviously, what will happen with LB when she

919
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,320
graduates college, Like I'm going to have the same thing.

920
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:32,679
She's going to be like, Okay, she's not going to

921
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,760
want to move home, right, She's not going to be

922
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,599
able to afford an apartment.

923
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I don't know's it's my own path

924
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,159
as much as it is his. Like I'm doing a

925
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:50,159
lot of work right now on how I perceive things

926
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:53,440
and respond to things and react to things, because you

927
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:57,360
can be supportive of someone whose dream you don't necessarily

928
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,960
agree with. And we actually have a lot of friends

929
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:02,920
with kids his age who don't want to get a

930
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,559
part time job if they're if they want to be musicians,

931
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,119
they just want to work on their music. And Jack is,

932
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:12,679
you know, well, because we won't pay for stuff for him,

933
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:15,159
he has to work, and I think he likes having

934
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,199
that responsibility. And so I give him a lot of

935
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,519
credit for that too, because I don't know what I

936
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:25,320
would do if he didn't want to work or struggled

937
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,960
with working. I don't I would probably just support him

938
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,280
like I'm supporting him now, and I you know, you

939
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,559
just never know how you're going to react, and so

940
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:37,880
that happens to you.

941
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,119
Speaker 2: I just don't know that like just being like cool cool,

942
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,559
just hang out and like it teaches much responsibility.

943
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: And he's worked since he was sixteen, you know, since

944
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the moment he could work, and so he he likes

945
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,920
that and he's saving his money. And you know, but

946
00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:59,079
we live in California. We live in southern California, so

947
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,840
rent of a studio apartment would be more than our

948
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,400
mortgages because you've lived in our house for thirty years.

949
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, these kids would have to they'd have

950
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,559
to have roommates, Like they're gonna have to like live

951
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,679
like three or four in an apartment.

952
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, oh boy.

953
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 2: All right, well this was I'm so glad you came

954
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:23,880
me too, so fun. It wasn't born to me. You're

955
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:26,440
so you're on spring break, so we got you on

956
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,760
your one. So in the past, the reason Robin was

957
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,760
on more frequently was because you only worked a few

958
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,800
days a week. But for the past few years you've

959
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,480
been in full time. Yeah, so I can only get

960
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,079
her when she's got time off of school. But before

961
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:44,199
we go, let's say, let's give our shout outs to

962
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,400
our people that pay us fifty dollars a month, like

963
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,079
Krista Stroup is giving it to her friend Sarah, who

964
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:56,159
lost her son to suicide. Just so sad, and she's

965
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:58,880
trying to break the stigma surrounding suicide and fill in

966
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,719
the gaps in her commute unity in Ohio where mental

967
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,679
health needs aren't being met. So go to Chase Hayleyproject

968
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,119
dot com. Also, it's getting that time. Use the Better

969
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,920
Test Prep Act Guide. That's our friend Lorie Bishop's son

970
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,880
made it. It's a digital download including in depth guides

971
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,480
for each section of the Act and you can go

972
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:25,920
to Instagram Better dot Test dot Prep to check that out,

973
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,159
and I'm sure there'll be a link there. Also, my

974
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:34,360
friend has a Medium column called Unbecoming Stories, So if

975
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,039
you go to Medium dot com look up Unbecoming Stories

976
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:40,400
and you will not be disappointed. Also, The Family Skeptical

977
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,159
it's a podcast about raising kids without religion, so check

978
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,480
them out. They put out an episode once every three weeks,

979
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:50,280
so it's not gonna take up too much room on

980
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,639
your queue. If you're in Palm Springs or Palm Desert,

981
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,360
go to Wilma and Freeda. Everybody loves it there. If

982
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,239
you want a mousepat or a mug or a cool

983
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,159
T shirt with whatever you want on it, use just

984
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:07,159
Basicbecky dot com or basic Becky on Facebook. If you're

985
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,800
in Hawaii and you're on the island of Kawaii, you

986
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,320
can visit in person Sugar Skull, But even if you're

987
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,440
not there, you can check out their bakery and gift

988
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,840
shop online if you go to Sugar Skull eight oh

989
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,400
eight dot square dot site. Also, if you're planning a trip,

990
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,440
why not use waves and wonder travel. That's our friend

991
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:32,639
Christine B. And her instagram is Travel with Christine B.

992
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: And uh.

993
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: Our friend Sergio is highlighting the ASPCI to help ASPCA

994
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,639
obviously to help animals, and we talked a lot about

995
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,280
doggies today and ASPCA does so much good work. So

996
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,760
go to ASPCA dot org. And my friend and yours

997
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,960
Jacob Crowley, is using his shout out for the ACLU,

998
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,440
and our friend Carrie Kibbler is using hers for the

999
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:01,800
Human Rights Campaign. These people are doing the Lord's work

1000
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:05,159
right now with everything that's going on in the world.

1001
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,599
And then every episode we talk about Adam Lerner Adam's

1002
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:09,960
goot a Car dot com.

1003
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Speaker 1: I drove my car here, I am in love with

1004
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:13,000
that car.

1005
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: Oh my God. And he made it really simple.

1006
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:19,239
Speaker 1: Right beyond it was ridiculous and saved you money. Yes,

1007
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,199
And it was really funny because you could tell they

1008
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:26,199
were like, oh, there's a broker, you know what I mean.

1009
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,039
It's because it saves me money and not them. Yes.

1010
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: Nice. And of course our friend Laura Wingfield is giving

1011
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:40,760
promo to her friend Oscar's Queer Youth Resource in Vancouver, Washington.

1012
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,119
They've lost a lot of resources they could use help,

1013
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:48,760
so go to qy RC Vancouver, WA dot org.

1014
00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: Can I do a shout out for the rescue?

1015
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,679
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, of course.

1016
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start paying for one for a couple months.

1017
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:02,239
It's called Popculture Rescue dot com dot org like pop culture, but.

1018
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: Oh pop culture.

1019
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: And they've been amazing. He's already neutered, he's already chipped,

1020
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:11,199
he's already you know. They're just caring and amazing. They've

1021
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:13,000
already checked in with me several times.

1022
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeayeah.

1023
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,719
Speaker 1: I love it And I want advice from people after

1024
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,880
they listen to this on everything we've talked about, So

1025
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please post on the page.

1026
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:27,159
Speaker 2: All right, everybody think you, Thank you, Caylin, thank you,

1027
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,519
Robin Wazinski. You're a parent.

1028
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Speaker 1: Now it's good