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<v Speaker 1>For the nationally recognized and award winning segment we call

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<v Speaker 1>Tech Friday with Dave. How it brought to you by

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you're a company, you have computers, and you

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<v Speaker 1>may very well have problems, maybe not right now, but

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<v Speaker 1>in the future, because Dave will tell you all the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why you will probably end up with problems and

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<v Speaker 1>all the ways to avoid it. So get Dave and

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<v Speaker 1>the team on your job to avoid them and give

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<v Speaker 1>you best practices and ensure your systems are safe and

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<v Speaker 1>scare Welcome back to the Morning Show, Dave hat or

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<v Speaker 1>love talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Always good to be here, Brian. I feel the same

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<v Speaker 2>way and helpful. They're doing some good out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean also freaking people out. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get the article because Joe's not here and it doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know what the topic is. Tell us about

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<v Speaker 1>this car exploit that allows you to spy on drivers

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<v Speaker 1>in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is just one of many, I would say, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>You may recall we talked about this briefly the Mozilla

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<v Speaker 2>Privacy non included website, and they're expose of newer model cars.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was the end of twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>when it came out. But this is pointing out though,

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<v Speaker 2>just reiterate something you and I talk about all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>These so called Internet of things aaka smart devices, your

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<v Speaker 2>smart coffee maker, your smart TV, your thermostat, your doorbell,

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<v Speaker 2>and now your car are vulnerable in the same way

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<v Speaker 2>that your computers are because essentially everything is computer at right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's got computer chips in it, It's got software embedded

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<v Speaker 2>in it that gives it the wow factor and cool

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<v Speaker 2>functionality that people like, including your car. And you may recall, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>way back we talked about a Wired article where a

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<v Speaker 2>reporter worked with two hackers and they were able to

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<v Speaker 2>remotely control this jeep Jeep Grand Cherokee while the reporter

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<v Speaker 2>was driving. They did all kinds of things to it

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<v Speaker 2>caused a giant recall back in the day. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is another illustration of this where in this case this

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<v Speaker 2>is a third party pioneer head unit, right, Pioneer the

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<v Speaker 2>people that make car stereo and stereo equipment. But they

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<v Speaker 2>the hackers, you know, they're thankfully Brian, there are good

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<v Speaker 2>people out there, white hat hackers, trying to find vulnerabilities

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<v Speaker 2>in these products, inform the manufacturers, get them picked, and frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>inform the public at large about why so many of

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<v Speaker 2>these things are privacy and security dumpster.

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<v Speaker 1>Buyers basically doing the job that the manufacturer should have

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<v Speaker 1>done ahead of time to avoid this stuff from happening

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. As you always point out, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't think about privacy and security when they're building these devices.

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<v Speaker 1>They just rush to get the device out because it

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<v Speaker 1>does something really cool, but failed to incorporate the requisite

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<v Speaker 1>security measures in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent summary. Well, I was going to say almost the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same thing, which is again, their whole privacy model

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<v Speaker 2>or their whole business model on most of this IoT

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<v Speaker 2>stuff is backwards. It's market share, speed to market, ease

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<v Speaker 2>of use for the consumer, not privacy and security. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at one time it would be bad if

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<v Speaker 2>there was a bun them software and you could do

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<v Speaker 2>your job. But now everything is that are connected. You

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<v Speaker 2>have systems that interface with and if it's a manufacturer

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<v Speaker 2>system control your car, which means your vehicle could potentially

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<v Speaker 2>get hacked and be turned into a weapon of some sort.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I have talked about that many times over

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<v Speaker 2>the past, and you know I'm not the only person

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<v Speaker 2>saying this. There are lots of people in the industry

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<v Speaker 2>and security experts that are warning about this kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But in this case, the hackers went to a conference

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<v Speaker 2>and demonstrated that they could chain together various flaws and

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<v Speaker 2>the software inside this thing, and once they had access

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<v Speaker 2>to it. Now, admittedly, you either have to get hotspot

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<v Speaker 2>access to it or you have to have physical access

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<v Speaker 2>to it, so it's not as easy as just and

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<v Speaker 2>over the air exploit to this head unit. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're take it in for repairs, could it get hacked,

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<v Speaker 2>could someone get in your car, you know, perhaps a

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<v Speaker 2>spurned spouse or lover. I mean, they lay all these

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<v Speaker 2>things down in the article, but the bottom line is

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<v Speaker 2>once it's been hacked, yes, they can basically see who

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<v Speaker 2>you're calling, they can watch you where you're driving, and

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<v Speaker 2>do a variety of other things. Not nearly as bad

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<v Speaker 2>as some of the manufacturer based systems that have been hacked,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, they interface directly with the systems of

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<v Speaker 2>the car, the brakes, the engine, that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you know, before you go out and you

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<v Speaker 2>change the electronics in your car. Nowadays, you know I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure Brian, like me, you're old enought to day it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to upgrade the steario of my car because

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that came from the manufacturer is no good,

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<v Speaker 2>right Delco yeah or something right yeah. And you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to worry about these kind of things then, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know it was just you know, or.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe just hold on one second. Explains something to me.

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<v Speaker 1>First off, that people still replace they had units in

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<v Speaker 1>their car. So that's that's the thing. I guess that

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<v Speaker 1>means you bought an older car that doesn't have one

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<v Speaker 1>of those you know, built in wired up to the

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<v Speaker 1>entire system sort of units. You buy a substitute unit

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<v Speaker 1>from Pioneer. It's got a camera in it that records

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<v Speaker 1>the inside of the automobile.

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<v Speaker 2>H some of them do because they want to give

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<v Speaker 2>you a video capability, just like the stuff that's built

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<v Speaker 2>into the car.

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<v Speaker 1>Why in the hell would I want video of me

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<v Speaker 1>driving the car?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, think about it, Brian, I don't know. Again, I'm,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, against almost all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know, but I'm just saying, is a fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>proposition why I mean, exterior of the car to record

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<v Speaker 1>accidents or you know, what's going on around you at

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<v Speaker 1>least have some comprehension of why you might want that.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, picking my nose or eating a.

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<v Speaker 1>Sandwich or doing whatever I'm doing in my car, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need a video record of anything going on to

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you wholehearted. Okay, people Still, people still

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<v Speaker 2>replace the head unison cars. You know, you can buy

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<v Speaker 2>these and really advanced ones that sound better. It's getting

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<v Speaker 2>harder though, because you know, again, most of these so

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<v Speaker 2>called infotainment systems in modern cars are deeply integrated in

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<v Speaker 2>the overall folks Now in the car. It's not just

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<v Speaker 2>a radio anymore, right, Oh, all kinds of things. So,

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<v Speaker 2>but they make like replacement kits because to your point,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the thing is a weird shape. They do

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<v Speaker 2>it by design. It takes up all this weird space.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to have a special kit. But apparently there

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<v Speaker 2>are still companies out there making you know, aftermarket stereo

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<v Speaker 2>systems for your car, and like most of this IoT stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>they have a lot of the same problems. So while

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I would be careful about upgrading your cars

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<v Speaker 2>systems simply because of the impact on the car. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to think about this kind of stuff, and the

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<v Speaker 2>bigger point is Internet of things in general. Moldering dumpster fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Period every week, the reminder and you can't say it

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<v Speaker 1>enough day maybe people will start listening to you don't

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<v Speaker 1>hook your coffee maker up to the internet. Five six

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven will continue with Dave. Apparently they're sending drones

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<v Speaker 1>to nine to one one calls in New York. You

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<v Speaker 1>dream of a forty okerecy de talk station chech right

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<v Speaker 1>with Dave Hatter. All right, so Eric said, you might

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<v Speaker 1>want to be able to have that camera in your

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<v Speaker 1>car to track your kids driving, which I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get, but he said recording passengers. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>for like uber lit to people, they may want that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I guess you can just go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and get one of those independent, non Internet connected cameras

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<v Speaker 1>and just put it on your your your your, your

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<v Speaker 1>windshield and record the passengers in the car.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not something that I have any concern or care

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<v Speaker 1>about and think it's either it's creepy and stupid. But

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<v Speaker 1>Internet of things is the broader point on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving on, New York Police Department using drones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is an interesting story, and I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is unavoidable Brian and probably happening in other places. And

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<v Speaker 2>this particular writer seems to not be a fan of

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<v Speaker 2>the NYPD based on the tone of this article. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, drones get cheaper and cheaper and cheaper and

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<v Speaker 2>more and more capable, whether it's you know, the flight time,

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<v Speaker 2>it's altitude, it's cameras, microphones, et cetera in the drone.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying I don't I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't misunderstand what I'm saying I think, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's inevitable that we're headed in this direction because you

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<v Speaker 2>know they mentioned here these particular drones that the NYPP

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<v Speaker 2>are using can go forty five miles an hour. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>they can fly in a straight line. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>have some sort of unfolding events, even something like a

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<v Speaker 2>bank robbery, it doesn't have to be a terrorist event

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<v Speaker 2>or something, right, you can get eyes on the scene

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<v Speaker 2>quickly understand what you're up against. But the point they make,

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<v Speaker 2>which I fully agree with, is as these drones get

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<v Speaker 2>smaller and more capable, you know, they can hover high

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<v Speaker 2>enough that you can't hear or see them. Yet with

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<v Speaker 2>their telephoto limbs, they can zoom in on you see

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<v Speaker 2>what's in your hands. This article claims that these particular

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<v Speaker 2>devices the NYPP are using can recognize people and license

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<v Speaker 2>plates from a mile away. And the concern, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>concern they're raising is that, Okay, you send out the

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<v Speaker 2>drone to wherever you know alleged crime is taking place. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it has the potent with to suck up everything in

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<v Speaker 2>its path along the way. Right, so you know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>just out for a stroll, and you know, now you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're on the drone footage. I know that you know

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<v Speaker 2>you have no expectation of privacy out in public indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, I have some concerns about this. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's inevitable, but I think it's important for

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<v Speaker 2>people to understand and there ought to be a public

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<v Speaker 2>conversation about this kind of technology and do we want

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of super invasive technology. You know, you're in

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<v Speaker 2>your backyard, the drone is up there, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hovering around, it's filming you, you know, with parabolic microphones.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how far away you could probably listen

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<v Speaker 2>to you. I'm sure pretty far, I know that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's it's interesting to see where all this

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<v Speaker 2>is going. And again, I just don't see away around it,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's only going to get less and less expensive

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<v Speaker 2>to put this sort of technology out there.

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<v Speaker 1>True that that's why I'm a fan of sporting clays

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<v Speaker 1>and skeet and trap shooting.

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<v Speaker 3>Dave, Yeah, me too, you know how to lead.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing that I think about is that there

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<v Speaker 1>are so many satellites up there, and they have to

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<v Speaker 1>in outer space. And I don't know how they manage

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<v Speaker 1>that with the thousands and thousands of satellites. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of, you know, someday in the very near future,

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<v Speaker 1>all these drones are flying around, and then we have

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<v Speaker 1>drone taxis. You know, at some point we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>are already companies claiming to be able to do this. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be the first to say, not a chance I'll

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<v Speaker 2>don't trust the software and cars rolling on the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>much less something that's flying me around. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe certainly within our lifetime you're going to see

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<v Speaker 2>are instances where these things fail, fall out of the sky,

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<v Speaker 2>hit something, hits somebody. Again, I'm not too too worried

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<v Speaker 2>about that. But when you think about this from a

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<v Speaker 2>surveillance perspective, and you know you mentioned the satellite, right,

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<v Speaker 2>we know there have been satellites in the sky that

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<v Speaker 2>can you know, read something in your hand and that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing for a long time. But to your point,

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<v Speaker 2>they have to be positioned. They only fly over every

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<v Speaker 2>so often, or they're stuck in one place. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>this gives you, This gives a government entity the capability

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<v Speaker 2>for a relatively small amount of money to surveil you

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<v Speaker 2>or anything they want. Pretty much any time they want,

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<v Speaker 2>for as long as they want. And you know this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be abused, Brian. I mean, think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen We've seen examples of companies like ADP where

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<v Speaker 2>their technicians go in and you know, set up cameras

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<v Speaker 2>to film attractive women in their house. I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, you know that we know that the NSA

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<v Speaker 1>is soaking up and basically soaking up every piece of data, email,

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<v Speaker 1>else in the world sends. So if our own government's

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<v Speaker 1>doing it, you know, nefarious actors are going to take

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<v Speaker 1>hold of this technology into for nefarious purposes. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's so obvious. Oh well, we live in a frightening

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<v Speaker 1>or Wellian world day. You prove it every single week.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, and I mean I think all at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>all you can really do is be aware, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>act accordingly, and then you know, try to raise awareness

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<v Speaker 2>with other people and talk to your legislators and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly. We'll continue coming up next.

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<v Speaker 1>Latest car technology is starting to drive people nuts. One

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<v Speaker 1>computer needs. And I'm sure you probably have thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>sponsoring the segment day. I've always enjoyed talking, will you

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<v Speaker 1>about it? Let's find out what's driving people nuts with

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<v Speaker 1>the latest car technology.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, back to cars. And it's interesting because then in

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<v Speaker 2>one of the articles talking about this, they have another

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't know it. Kind of back to our

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<v Speaker 2>first segment, and I encourage people go out and check

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<v Speaker 2>out privacy not included in particular exposity on modern cars.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is all about and I get this because

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<v Speaker 2>I have a newer car. It's like at twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, and you know, almost everything in it is

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<v Speaker 2>no longer mechanical, right, everything is electronic. You've got to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the entertainment screen, or you've got some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of weird control that's not very precise, versus just I

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<v Speaker 2>want to I just want to press the button and

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<v Speaker 2>without having to go through fifteen screens to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how to do it right. And that's one of the things,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things they point out. It's not only

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of you, I agree with this, it's dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Or increasingly it's not only less intuitive. Yes, it's dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>because you have to take your eyes off the road. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I hit a button, then you got to go to

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<v Speaker 1>Dave, think about this. It's illegal to use your cell

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<v Speaker 1>phone in the state of Ohio Wi.

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<v Speaker 3>You're driving.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet yeah, and they got that giant screen which

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<v Speaker 1>you have to use and operate to navigate through, to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with really literally anything you want to do in

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<v Speaker 1>just your air cognition, you're like, oh, what screen do

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<v Speaker 1>I need? And you're staring down at that your your

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that's a pro recent study, driver's feelings on

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<v Speaker 2>the intuitiveness of car controls fell from seventy nine percent

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty fifteen, when you've had a lot less of

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<v Speaker 2>the text and entertainment and digital buttons and so forth,

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<v Speaker 2>to fifty six percent and twenty twenty four. Honestly, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>surprised it's that high because you know, I can't tell

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<v Speaker 2>you them because I've runted a car that I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with, and then I have no idea what I'm doing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and unlike the old school. Again, here's a button, it

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<v Speaker 2>turns on the air conditioning. Here's a button that turns

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<v Speaker 2>on the deeproster. You know, some cars still have some

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<v Speaker 2>combination of that, but a lot of it is increasingly digital.

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<v Speaker 2>And I get it. But also I think a part

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<v Speaker 2>of the people overlook when they think about these things.

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<v Speaker 2>All of this tech is very expensive when it goes bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Versus I just need to replace a switch that opens

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<v Speaker 2>and closes a circuit to turn on the air conditioning

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. You know, if I got to replace the

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<v Speaker 2>whole entertainment system, very expensive. And you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>one of the greatest innovations in cars in the last

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<v Speaker 2>several decades or backup cameras, right, yeah, backup cameras super helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>Reduces a lot of danger but you know, when those

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<v Speaker 2>things go bad, and now cars have sensors all around them,

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<v Speaker 2>those things can be extremely expensive to replace when they

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<v Speaker 2>go bad, So you're not only adding to the cost

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<v Speaker 2>of the car, you're adding to the maintenance of the car.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, I understand the benefit of some of these things,

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<v Speaker 2>operate them. And I agree with your point, Brian, that

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's dangerous to have to constantly keep taking your

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<v Speaker 2>about the environment or the behavior of the car. I

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<v Speaker 2>find it very frustrating person.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm with you all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hate to even admit this out loud, but

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<v Speaker 1>since we gave our son the old Honda, we had

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<v Speaker 1>to replace. We needed a larger vehicle because we have dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a modern used vehicle and it's got one

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<v Speaker 1>of those systems in it. And when they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to upsell us on the extended warranty and was really

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<v Speaker 1>expensive for the extended warranty, the guy said, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something goes wrong with that. You know that screen, that

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<v Speaker 1>infotainment system that's connected litterally everything. It's more expensive to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>That was his you know, his upsell. You know it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>well it's still under warranty, and how often this happens. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>basically they don't have any problems with it, so anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's scary stuff. I mean, I hate having

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<v Speaker 1>one of those cars that's literally recording everything. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to your point about the car spying on you, that

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<v Speaker 1>information can be purchased by insurance companies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes it can. In fact, you know, that was

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<v Speaker 2>another recent scandal. You may recall we talked about it briefly.

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<v Speaker 2>GM had to come off. They were essentially selling the

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<v Speaker 2>data collected from people's cars to insurance companies, and people

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<v Speaker 2>were getting premium increases and canceled without voluntarily signing up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one thing, like the progressive thing, right, you get it,

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<v Speaker 2>you pluge it into your car. You're volunteering to do

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<v Speaker 2>that because you know your partents are going to get

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<v Speaker 2>better raids. It's another thing and they talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>and that privacy not included thing. I keep referencing about

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<v Speaker 2>how these cars are collecting all this data and potentially

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<v Speaker 2>might decide you're not a good sable risk based on

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<v Speaker 2>the driving it's coming from your car. So things to

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<v Speaker 2>think about as we head into this increasingly dystopian world

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just so scary. Anyway, important information, know and

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<v Speaker 1>think about. Dave Hatter. I always appreciate you bringing it

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<v Speaker 1>to our attention every week here in the fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>edition of Tech Friday with Dave Hatter, again brought to

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<v Speaker 1>you by intrust it dot com. Get in touch with

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<v Speaker 1>Dave and the team at interust it dot com. Take care, Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you again. Have a wonderful weekend, and I won't

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<v Speaker 1>be around next week. I'm taking all week next off,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think if you're doing the segment, you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>doing it with Kevin Gordon next Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, Brian, you enjoy your time off and

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<v Speaker 2>I want God to chat with you when you're back.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks brother, Take care Man six fifty seven and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>The program is Trust and Valor and it's a program

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<v Speaker 1>for veterans and first responders. Should be really interesting. Plus

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<v Speaker 1>the Daniel Davis Deep Dive Special Friday editions since we

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<v Speaker 3>That'll take place at seven thirty. I'll be right back