WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:19.719 Welcome Friend podcast podcast Jack Again. They're talking about I'm 2 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:25.359 a driver and I'm a flyer that waited a long 3 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:31.719 time for a shot like this. What do you think? Well, 4 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:35.079 what do you know? You got a line on a ship? 5 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:37.799 Yeah? I know, guy, he's the best smuggler round. 6 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:39.520 I heard a story about you. 7 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.759 I was wondering if it's true everything you right about me, 8 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:45.679 It's true. 9 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.119 If you come with us, you're in this life for good. 10 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:52.840 Might want to buckle up, baby. 11 00:00:57.359 --> 00:00:59.799 Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name is 12 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:01.320 that son. I'm here with Brian Hall. 13 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:02.640 Hey, how's it going, Zachi. 14 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:06.079 I'm doing fantastic. I'm really excited about this. 15 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:09.359 Me too, Me too. This movie holds a special place 16 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:13.079 in my heart with you specifically, So I'm really excited 17 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:14.840 to be talking through this movie with you. 18 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:18.280 Well, we're here to talk through solo, a Star Wars 19 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:22.959 story and a couple points number one. I'm excited because 20 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.959 it means we're back to our tradition of when a 21 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.959 Star Wars movie is about to come out, we do 22 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:30.439 a Star Wars commentary track. 23 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:34.840 Yeah. Well, and we were mentioning this off air, but 24 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:38.319 I saw in my Facebook memories it reminded me that 25 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:41.799 eight years ago, exactly to this day, you and I 26 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:43.840 watched this movie together for the first time. 27 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:46.640 Yeah, a couple of weeks before it came out. 28 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:51.480 Yeah. Yeah. You being a prestigious film critic, you get 29 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:55.239 invited to all the early screenings, especially for highly anticipated things, 30 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:58.319 and you are generous enough to say, hey, I can 31 00:01:58.319 --> 00:01:59.680 get a plus one you want to join me? And 32 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:02.799 so I drove up to the Bay Area and you 33 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:04.719 flew up for this one. You flew Oh, I flew up. 34 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:08.520 Oh good memory Indie Indie five. 35 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:09.960 That when you drove up. 36 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:11.919 Yeah. Yeah, but it was great. It was very exciting 37 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:14.919 because there was a lot of anticipation and curiosity about 38 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.479 this movie. This was when Star Wars was doing kind 39 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:21.680 of like new things, theatrically doing well. 40 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:27.960 Well up until this movie as a matter of fact. 41 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.840 But yeah, but I mean this was like a big 42 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:33.879 curiosity and highly anticipated and it was really exciting get 43 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:36.560 to getting to see this early with you. So and 44 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:38.719 I mean, we can get into it when we start 45 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:40.599 the movie, but you know, we had our feelings and 46 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.680 then we saw the world's feelings and that was fascinating. 47 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:48.520 The two did not intersect, No, Yeah, as as with 48 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:54.639 Indy five, we were able to see it and have 49 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.120 our thoughts before the discourse took over, which I found 50 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:02.719 helpful in both instances. But hey, you know, it has 51 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:05.000 been eight years now since this movie came out, and 52 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.080 plenty of folks have seen it since, and you know, 53 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.280 I feel like there's lots of interesting conversations to be 54 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:14.159 had about about well, shoot, everything surrounding Solo a Star 55 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:17.080 Wars story. There are plenty of of making of stories 56 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:18.400 about this Star Wars story. 57 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:20.680 Yep, yep. I definitely went on a deep dive. 58 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:23.800 Well, well, I'm looking forward to hearing what you what 59 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.479 you dug up for me? This was it had been 60 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:29.800 I don't know about you, but it had been a while. 61 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.520 I think the last time I saw this was just 62 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.199 before Rise of Skywalker, so it felt very fresh. This 63 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:38.240 is probably the Star Wars movie I've seen the least. 64 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:42.400 Yeah, maybe me too, Yeah yeah. 65 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:44.159 But if you want to watch along with us, feel 66 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.039 free to do that. 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So if you want to play 76 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:12.319 this and watch along with us, you won't have any 77 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.080 ads or interruptions butting in and chopping up the conversation. 78 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:17.480 You want have to frequently pause the movie whenever an 79 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:20.000 AD starts, and then started up again when we return. 80 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.279 If you listen to the special feed over on Patreon, 81 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:25.120 there we go. 82 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.680 And so I'm ready to go. How about you, Brian? 83 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:30.639 I'm ready all right. 84 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:32.920 So we'll do the usual thing. One two three play 85 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:36.600 and here we go one two three play. 86 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:43.000 Yeah, I gotta say, Zachi, I hadn't seen this in 87 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.560 a while either, but watching it, even right when it started, 88 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:48.079 I just got kind of a warm, fuzzy feeling. I 89 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:52.680 hear you even this opening here, right, I mean, we 90 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.800 get the long time ago in a galaxy far far away, but. 91 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:00.480 And then we get the crawl without a crawl exactly exactly. 92 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.720 It is a crawl, but it's not crawling exactly. And 93 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:07.720 I remember in this moment when all this new stuff 94 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:11.720 was so like unknowable, like, okay, so we're gonna get 95 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:13.920 a story that's not part of the Skywalker socker like 96 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.800 Rogue one I'm talking about, Yeah, is it going to 97 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:19.040 you know, open the same way like will it have 98 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:21.480 the big star wars and yell letters and then the crawl? 99 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:23.879 And then it didn't And that was kind of interesting, 100 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:25.319 and so with this it's like what are they going 101 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.600 to do with this? It was so what a time? 102 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:32.319 What an exciting to miss it? Not gonna lie? Yeah? Yeah, 103 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:35.000 So I think I did really kind of go back 104 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.439 to those giddy feelings of when this was all fresh 105 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:39.240 and new and so much was possible. 106 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:42.800 Well, and I think that's going back to what I 107 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:44.199 was saying before. I mean, the fact that I have 108 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:48.160 seen this one less it it There was that sense 109 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:50.040 of like it's all the familiar stuff, but it still 110 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:50.879 felt new ish. 111 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:56.480 Yeah yeah, yeah, Like I remembered that he had to 112 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:00.079 talk to this sort of I don't know, like he 113 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:01.800 he being an orphan and he has this woman who 114 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:04.079 kind of runs all these orphans doing crimes for her. 115 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:07.279 I remembered that that happened in this movie. But I 116 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.519 kind of forgot what she looked like and the setting 117 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:12.360 and things like that. So yeah, it still felt kind 118 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:14.120 of new ish fresh. 119 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:17.920 So one thing I will say is the movie fails 120 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:23.360 to establish the significance of those dice, right. 121 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.959 Well, it is amazing how many inserts they do of it. 122 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:34.480 Yeah, Like, it's clearly meant to mean something. And my 123 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:39.480 understanding is that there was like a failure of communication 124 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:41.480 between this movie and Last Jedi or Last Jedi and 125 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.399 this movie, and the two were meant to tie together 126 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.480 in somewhere or force awakened, certainly because there was a 127 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.279 deleted scene where Han puts the dice back in the falcon. 128 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.160 You know, it's so funny. I remember that so vividly. 129 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:55.920 I forgot it was a deleted scene exactly. 130 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:58.639 I mean really, in the original trilogy, the only time 131 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:01.600 we really see them clear is in the first film, 132 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.600 in a New Hope, I mean when Chewy, when we 133 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:06.879 see Chewy going into the bridge of the falcon. 134 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:12.000 Yeah, like, I mean, he doesn't like acknowledge them or anything, right, 135 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:14.240 They're just kind of dangling like they would over a 136 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:15.399 rearview mirror or something. 137 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.040 Yeah, no insert shot there, you know. 138 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:21.160 Yeah. No, by the way, well, no, go ahead, gohad, sorry. 139 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:23.439 No, I mean that's all I just it's like, maybe 140 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:25.560 just give us something like what they mean to him, 141 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:29.160 you know, like, why are they significant? 142 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:33.000 Yeah, I yes, I agree with that. I know some 143 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:36.759 people give the dice a hard time, you know, where 144 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:38.720 it's like, oh, all of a sudden, this thing is 145 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:41.480 the most meaningful thing that Han owns. But then in 146 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:44.639 the movies, we know he just never even looks at them. Yeah, 147 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.000 And I just have to say that's never bothered me. 148 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.839 I kind of like the idea of they caught something 149 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:55.639 in the frame of the original movies and you know, 150 00:07:55.920 --> 00:08:00.160 just added them as texture to the earlier story. These 151 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:02.680 are the later stories. I like that idea. 152 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.480 So so, you know the original Marvel comic books, which 153 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:09.959 which are non canon obviously, but you know they were. 154 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:13.319 They they were published at the same time as the films, 155 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.160 And I remember reading the issue of the Marvel comic 156 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:20.800 which is right after Return of the Jedi, and you 157 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:23.560 have Han going into the bridge of the Falcon and 158 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:26.160 and he says, hey, they're still here, the dice that 159 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:27.959 I won the Falcon with. 160 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:29.399 Oh. 161 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:32.799 Interesting, So in my head, that's what they always were. 162 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:35.679 Yeah, yeah, yeah, which would make a lot of sense too, 163 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:37.799 hanging from the ship and. 164 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.559 They right, you know, and so they they went a 165 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.200 different way with this, and that's fine. But yeah again 166 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.720 it's I'm just like, well, maybe just tell us what 167 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:47.720 they why, why they're significant, that's all, you know. 168 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:50.200 Yeah, I could even have something to do with Kira, like, 169 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.960 because he hands them to her at one point. That's right. 170 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:55.879 I don't know. By the way, this this I forgot 171 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:59.679 this creature's name, but I'm getting major dark Crystal vibes. 172 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.440 Oh yeah, right right, just this kind of ugly muppet 173 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.600 puppet looking thing. I mean, it's off putting, but I 174 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:08.279 kind of like it. 175 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:09.159 Mm hmm. 176 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:12.679 It reminds me of what was really exciting in this moment. 177 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:14.799 I remember I am gonna pat myself on the back 178 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:17.120 a little bit here. When we started the podcast and 179 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:21.039 everything was going so cgi heavy, I remember saying, some 180 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.039 filmmakers are gonna make a movie and they're gonna use 181 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:25.480 puppets again and practical stuff, and everyone's going to say 182 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:31.399 they're a genius. And then jj Abrams did and which 183 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:34.759 was great because it did make a Star Wars sequel. 184 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:37.000 Still feel like it was a part of the movies 185 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:40.399 that had come before it, well, most especially the original trilogy. 186 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:43.159 Maybe not so much the prequels, but I liked that 187 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.159 with this and the sequels, and in this here they 188 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.159 stuck to that, and we get a lot of animatronic masks, 189 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:53.480 you know, and this big puppet creature that looks weird. 190 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:57.279 It looks like a puppet, but it works. It's in 191 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:58.879 the room. It feels unsettling. 192 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:03.519 Yeah, yeah, I mean there there is a physicality to 193 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:05.480 it that is appreciated. 194 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:11.480 And even in its dangly awkwardness. Yeah, something about it. Yeah, 195 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:16.919 just being in the room makes it work with our 196 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:19.679 brains in a way that we almost forgive the awkwardness 197 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.679 of it because it's there. 198 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:22.240 Physics. 199 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:28.360 Physics. So we get the thermal detonator here, we get 200 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.679 a lot of like little things items that we get. 201 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:36.279 There's quite a few callbacks, fun little callbacks, nothing too obnoxious, 202 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:36.840 I don't think. 203 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:41.039 See, you know, this is what's interesting. I was going 204 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:47.080 to remark on how dimly lit that den is. Yeah, uh, 205 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:49.840 and then I forgot when he throws the thing that 206 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:52.799 he lets the light in and it burns the creature. 207 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:54.480 Apparently these creatures can't be in light, and it's like, 208 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:57.840 oh right, that's like a story thing. However, the rest 209 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.639 of the movie is pretty dimly lit anyway, that is true. 210 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:05.039 Yeah, the the lighting scheme is is very different from 211 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:10.000 from what we what we expected from Star Wars up 212 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.960 to this time. I think I think the more recent 213 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:15.360 stuff kind of looks similar to this, you know, I 214 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:16.240 mean and or. 215 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:20.200 Yeah, in a strange way, they were almost ahead of 216 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.440 the time of their time, with everyone kind of complaining 217 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:29.200 about Netflix aesthetics, you know, like Netflix TV. Yeah, I 218 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:33.679 gotta say, it's like here, it looks okay, but there 219 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:37.120 are moments where I'm like, this is really really dark, 220 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.759 you know, like well maybe and muddy looking. 221 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:43.279 Yeah, well, specifically when when they meet Lando for the 222 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.080 first time. Yes, yeah, I'm not I'm not crazy about that. 223 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:49.679 I was thinking here, by the way, this all this 224 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:51.399 all feels very American graffiti. 225 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.399 Yeah, sure, which seems. 226 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:57.320 Appropriate not only for the Ron Howard factor, but also 227 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:58.519 the Harrison Ford factor. 228 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:04.960 Yeah right, yeah. Well and just Lucas of course, you know, 229 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:08.320 just all all the Star Wars films are just filled 230 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:09.960 with so many of the things that are going on 231 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:10.600 in his brain. 232 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:17.080 You have speeders that look like nineteen fifties cars, you know. 233 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:21.320 Yeah, I like that too. That moment I was thinking, 234 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:23.519 you know, when you make a movie, it's like it's 235 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:26.000 you don't just pick up a camera and point very often, 236 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:28.919 like you have to set things up and get lights 237 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:31.200 and have a whole crew with chairs behind the camera, 238 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.039 like it's a big deal. And I love that they 239 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.879 took the time to have that droid at that stop 240 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.519 point just to be like hey, wait stop and then 241 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:40.360 it gets run over and its head kind of flies 242 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:42.960 off like that just feels very Star warsy to me, 243 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.240 like it makes the world feel very alive and chaotic. 244 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:48.879 And I thought that was a like it popped out 245 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.000 to me as a cool inclusion. Look at this, so 246 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:55.519 this seems so good, Like this looks like a real location, 247 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:57.039 real explosions, real. 248 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:02.679 Knocked over the frame is very lively. Yeah, and I 249 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:07.080 appreciate that. I you know, I said for a long 250 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.519 time and as most people did, I'm sure, oh, you know, 251 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.200 around Howard it would be a great Star Wars director, 252 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.759 and and I think I think he did. He did 253 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:21.840 a great job. It's just unfortunate that like his experience 254 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:25.840 is one of like oh and it's this massive flop, 255 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:26.399 you know. 256 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:31.919 Yeah, I mean, he walked into a really complicated situation. Yeah, 257 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:35.000 you know, so it wasn't like he like nurtured this 258 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.679 whole thing from the beginning. He kind of stepped in 259 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:39.759 and saved the day in a way. But I mean 260 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.879 he he was offered the gig for Phantom Menace at 261 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:46.480 one point, right where it was considered at least I believe, so, Yeah, 262 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.159 and he turned it down, And I thought I read 263 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:50.759 that when this was presented to him coming in and 264 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:56.360 you know, taking over solo, he wasn't so sure about 265 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:59.039 doing it. But it was his wife that eventually convinced 266 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.960 him something. Maybe it's just one of those things that's 267 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:03.399 like I don't know, like do I really want to 268 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.639 touch I mean again, at this point, this was they 269 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:07.639 were still very I don't know that we had very 270 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:09.440 many shows at this point, if at all. 271 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:12.279 ZO zero shows. Mandalorian was still a year away. 272 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.919 So yeah, Star Wars was still very very precious, right, 273 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:17.240 And it's like you wouldn't want to be one of 274 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:23.720 the few people that like ruined it. Now. 275 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:27.840 This project was something that from the earliest days after 276 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:30.639 the sale was like, oh, and we want to do 277 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:34.879 a Han solo origin story, and you know that was 278 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:39.639 something Lauren's cast and really pushed for. And I always 279 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.720 thought it was a good idea. I know, I know it. 280 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:45.600 You know, there were people who critiqued it, and there 281 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.679 was that like, oh, nobody but but Harrison Ford could 282 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:53.000 play Han solo. And I never felt that in terms 283 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:54.879 of like, well, no, I mean, it's the younger version 284 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.080 of the character, and it seems fine, you know, and 285 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:01.039 at least for me, I I love Alden Aaron Reich 286 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.200 in this part. I think he did a great job. Yep, 287 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:05.679 you know I said this at the time. I think 288 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.399 I think he manages to become the character with that 289 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:15.279 imitating Harrison Ford. You know, there's certain soloisms that he 290 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:20.440 works in and and certainly as the film progresses, you know, 291 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.440 by the time we're up to the showdown with Dryden Voss, 292 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:25.559 I'm like, that's Han solo. 293 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:29.519 You know, I agree. I mean, I guess to make 294 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:32.759 it clear right off the bat, I really like this movie, 295 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:36.759 and not having watched it a lot and revisiting it 296 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:41.399 the other night, this is just a darn good story. 297 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:45.879 And like a darn good Han Solo story, like seeing him, 298 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:49.159 he's he's got traits that we recognize, but he is 299 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:51.879 a little different because the world hasn't beaten him down 300 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.360 quite yet, you know. But we watch him have all 301 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:59.080 these you know, key moments happen kind of all at once, 302 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.720 and they sort of pound him into the becoming the 303 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:05.639 cynic that we know him from, you know, in the 304 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:07.480 in the other films, and it's kind of a I 305 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:08.799 think it's done really well. 306 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:15.720 Yeah, yeah, I think it fits very neatly with with 307 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.039 everything we've seen of the character to this point. And 308 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:26.279 and you know, I think both this and Rogue One 309 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.559 do prequels better in some ways than the Star Wars 310 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:34.879 prequels did, because I felt like the Star Wars prequels 311 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:36.960 often sort of hit you over their head over the 312 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:43.120 head with the the the prequelness of it, like the 313 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.120 the references, you know what I mean. 314 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.159 Like like like callbacks and things like, oh this person 315 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:51.279 did you didn't know this, but they actually all knew 316 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:53.639 one another even thirty years ago, or the yeah, you know, 317 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:55.960 their ancestors actually interacted, and. 318 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.279 Baby Boba Fett is most egregious, and you know out 319 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:02.559 and and you know and again one day you will 320 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:03.360 be the death. 321 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:03.720 Of me, you know. 322 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:08.400 Sure, sure, sure, I think I think when references are 323 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:11.000 a little more subtle or you know, it plays better. 324 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:12.359 That's just me me personally. 325 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:15.160 No, I'm with you on that. It At one point 326 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:16.920 I think in Revenge of the Sith they were going 327 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:21.880 to have Han solo in there as a boy right on. 328 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:24.519 Kashik Yeah, which thank you know, but bullet dodged there. 329 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:25.160 Yeah. 330 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:27.799 Yeah, that's a real thing that was concept art for 331 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:33.200 so so somebody intervened, you know, yeah, Rick. 332 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:38.319 McCollum, perhaps, I don't know. By the way, just this 333 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:39.759 scene here again, I mean. 334 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:41.839 I just feel like this is just a tight, real 335 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:42.400 quick Brian. 336 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:43.839 This right here. 337 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:47.960 We hear the Imperial March in major key, which for 338 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.720 the recruiting video, and that as our Star Wars music 339 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:53.559 on our show years before this movie came out. 340 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:55.000 That's right, that's right. 341 00:17:57.599 --> 00:17:59.920 Sorry, go ahead, No, no, no, I'm just kind. 342 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.720 Of all admiring. What do we what was this thirteen 343 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:06.000 minutes in and just so much has happened already, yeah, 344 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:10.240 you know, like I don't know anyway, I'm just admiring. Well, 345 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:12.839 of course it's written by the Kasden's, so we know 346 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:16.079 we're in good hands, right, Yeah, But I just a 347 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:19.000 little trivia tidbit I thought was kind of interesting. Apparently, 348 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:22.680 Ron Howard always puts his wife Cheryl in his films, 349 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:24.559 like as a good luck charm, gives her a cameo, 350 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.759 and she had saught it shot a scene for this movie, 351 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:32.519 but it got deleted. And so one day Howard was 352 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.200 telling the ILM people like, I'm bummed. You know, I 353 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:36.960 have this great track record of doing that. It's something 354 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:39.599 special between us, and too bad it didn't work out 355 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:41.200 for this one. And they're like, oh, well, let's just 356 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.559 shoot her against the green screen and throw her in somewhere, 357 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:50.400 and so they did under the hologram Empire recruitment hologram. 358 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:53.359 How funny. Yeah, so she's in there, just kind of 359 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.440 walking around, and so got to keep up the tradition. 360 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.559 I like that, and obviously Clint Howard, his brother's also 361 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:06.799 a tradition. And yep, now, now the the naming of 362 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:10.680 Han solo, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Ellis Island style. 363 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:12.680 Now I know this. 364 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.200 This came in for a whole bunch of criticism when 365 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:16.880 the movie came out, and you and I have had 366 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:19.880 this discussion before. Well, for me, when I was a 367 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:23.160 little kid, I read the Return of the Jedi story book. 368 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:27.960 And in this scene after they leave Tattooin and after 369 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:31.519 the whole Java sequence, you have Luke and his X 370 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:34.559 Wing thinking about Han and he says and it says 371 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:39.440 something to the effect of Luke always wondered if Han 372 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:42.960 took on the name Solo because he was alone. But 373 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:46.880 he's not alone anymore or I'm paraphrasing right, So like 374 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:51.720 in my head it was always like like an alias 375 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:54.240 because of that book I read as a kid. 376 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:58.279 Interesting, Oh okay, okay, so you've had that already. 377 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:02.079 Right, so it never bothered me. I mean, it wasn't 378 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:03.880 even something I really gave much thought to, you know, 379 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:06.319 but like it was like, oh, and it's not even 380 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:08.279 his real name, and you know, all the critique I 381 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:12.119 was like it felt excessive to me. That's just me. 382 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:16.680 I can literally go both ways with it. Like there's 383 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:19.759 part of me that it's just like, oh okay, you know, 384 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:21.720 it's sort of like a young indie and the whip 385 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:24.279 and the scar on the chin, like like I can 386 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:25.960 chuckle and go okay and just roll with it and 387 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:28.160 go to the next scene. And then there's another part 388 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:29.839 of me. And I've heard people sort of say this 389 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.119 where it's like like, so some guy that wasn't being 390 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:35.720 very nice to you, just as like a lark, gives 391 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:37.759 you this like nickname, you know, like if you're in 392 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:40.759 prison and some guard is just like, you know, all right, 393 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:44.640 pork chop, you know, and then shoves you in line 394 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:46.799 or something, and you're like, well, I guess that's me now, 395 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:50.079 Brian pork Chop. You know, like you take the nickname 396 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:53.119 that he gives you and put it on all your identification. 397 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:55.480 I could see, like I can see why people feel 398 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:55.759 that way. 399 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:59.200 But well, I'll have two responds to that. Number One 400 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:04.319 so is like pretty cool sounding a true h and 401 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:09.599 and and two uh that therees me doing like buzz 402 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:10.240 from home alone. 403 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:12.920 I didn't even catch it. Sorry, I was like half 404 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:14.839 this is always the funny thing is like I'm half 405 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:17.200 watching a movie, half having a conversation with you when 406 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:17.960 we do these. 407 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:23.799 No but but but two, the imperial was not being 408 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:26.799 that mean to him. He was being actually as imperials go, 409 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:30.119 like just like okay. 410 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:34.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He could have been like han loner, yeah, 411 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:37.200 move along, like what are you doing? Dipshit? 412 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:39.960 You know, like he like you want to join okay, 413 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:44.799 you know, like yeah, so it's at at at worst 414 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:46.400 a net neutral for him, you know. 415 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:49.599 Yeah. Yeah, And he doesn't have a last name and 416 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:51.720 he needs one, and maybe at some point it's just 417 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:55.160 it's stuck and then it becomes a part of you. 418 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:57.839 Solo is as good as any. 419 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:02.880 Yeah, that's true. If the prison guy gave me like 420 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:06.279 a cool name, like exactly, like, all right, move it's 421 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:09.440 skull Crusher, I'd be like, whoa, that's a cool name, right, Brian, 422 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:11.240 skull Crusher. Right. 423 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:13.680 But if it's like hey, hershey squirts. 424 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:17.160 Right right, and you're at the DMV, you don't want 425 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.119 to be like hershey squirts, Brian. Yeah. 426 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:23.960 Yeah. 427 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:27.480 By the way, So that battle so basically out of 428 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:29.240 desperation because he wants to be a pilot so he 429 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:31.319 can get back to Kira. He joins the Empire so 430 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:34.039 he can, you know, learn how to fly or whatever, 431 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:36.200 or he already knows how to fly, but he needs 432 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.440 to get a ship. Anyway, he gets uh, he disobeys. 433 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:40.160 I guess that's a deleted scene, right, and he gets 434 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:44.160 demoted and becomes infantry. Yeah, and so we cut to 435 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:48.000 him in the middle of this chaotic battle, and I 436 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:51.880 really love how that's captured it's just this, you know, 437 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:56.359 insanity like Battle Doaled to eleven where you can't see 438 00:22:56.359 --> 00:22:58.880 what's going on. There's a laser blasts going past their head, 439 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:02.079 everything's exploding, you can't see five feet in front of you. 440 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:05.359 Just the chaos and the scariness of that I thought 441 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:12.160 was captured really well. Yeah, and his persistence trying to 442 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.559 join this team Beckett. 443 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.319 I kind of love that. Throughout the whole movie. You 444 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.680 never quite know what to think of Beckett. 445 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:26.440 Yeah, he's a great sort of mentor to Han, and 446 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.519 you know he'll take some lessons from him, some good things, 447 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:30.240 some bad things. 448 00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:33.640 I think it helps that it's Woody Harrelson, and I 449 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.200 think people have a general affinity for Woody Harrelson. 450 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.119 Well, I was gonna ask you, does it take you 451 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:45.960 out at all? Having Woody Harrelson in a Star Wars movie? 452 00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:48.079 That is a great question. 453 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:56.960 It does not, because he's done so many different franchises 454 00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:59.559 that you're just sort of you know, to me, it's 455 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:02.480 no different than having like a like a Mad's Michelson 456 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:03.799 or something in a Star Wars movie. 457 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:07.519 You know. Oh see, I agree with that in theory, 458 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:11.400 But for me specifically, Woody Harrelson is so Woody Harrelson, 459 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:12.799 like when he's in Now You See Me, when he's 460 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:16.480 in twenty twelve, when he's in whatever else he's in. Yeah, 461 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:20.160 it's just like Woody Harrelson is playing Woody Harrelson. And 462 00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:24.319 so I think he's doing a great job in this movie. 463 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:27.480 I think he's very good in this role. But there 464 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:31.960 is a slight part of me that is a little 465 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:33.319 taken out. I gotta be honest. 466 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:37.599 See, I remember back when the prequels came out, people 467 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:39.200 saying that about Sam Jackson. 468 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.799 You're sure, yeah, yeah. 469 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:45.920 And I'm like, well that worked out fine, So it did, 470 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:48.759 I think, right. I think after that, I'm just like, well, 471 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:52.039 we're gonna see familiar faces in these movies, you know. 472 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.480 Yeah, well at some point, yeah, you just have to. 473 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:57.599 And like I said, he I think he does a 474 00:24:57.599 --> 00:24:58.119 great job. 475 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:03.279 I mean, when you think about it, he's playing a 476 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:07.400 character very similar to DJ, the Benizio del Toro character. 477 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:12.119 Oh interesting, Yeah, you know he occupies that that particular 478 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:14.440 part of the spectrum. 479 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:16.160 Yeah. 480 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:19.880 I love how this this sequence it well, it calls 481 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:22.440 back to two things to me. Number one, it's kind 482 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:25.359 of like the Rank Corps. You know. Yeah, oh good. 483 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:27.640 I didn't even think about that. Yeah, right, tossed into 484 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:30.640 the pit, so that the monster deed. But it also 485 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:34.359 reminds me of Return of the Jedi when well that 486 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:35.640 rank War is also returned to the Jedi. 487 00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:36.880 But when when Han. 488 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:41.160 Uh, you know when he's when he when he's captured 489 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.400 by Java. Mm, well he's already been captured by Job. Okay, 490 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:45.799 I'm doing. 491 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:49.319 I understand what you're saying. 492 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:54.920 Yeah, where Chewy has been purchased by Jaba and after 493 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:59.480 Han is out of the carbonite, but he doesn't have 494 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.079 his eyes back, and we see Chewy kind of come 495 00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:01.799 out of the shadows. 496 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:07.160 Anyway, it just reminds me of that it looks very similar. Yeah, yeah, 497 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:07.759 but this is. 498 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.480 Fun, right, we can see a bromance is born exactly 499 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:12.319 for the ages. 500 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:17.000 Yeah, all right, now I gotta ask. I mean, this 501 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.359 is the first time I think we've seen a human 502 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:25.359 type character speak Wookie. Yeah, like work for you? Or 503 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:33.880 does it feel slightly silly? Yes? To both? Agreed? I 504 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.720 actually I agree, I am very much. I'm always you know, 505 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.880 ABC or d if D is roll with it. Yeah, 506 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:42.480 when it comes to any of those sorts of questions 507 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.480 with this movie, I'm going to be going with roll 508 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:49.400 with it, but slightly silly too. 509 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:55.599 Yeah, but I see, to me, there's something about the 510 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:01.839 fact that Han is the only one who who was like, well, 511 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:02.960 why don't we just talk to him? 512 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:05.920 You know? Yep, yep, And he can't have that sort 513 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.200 of connection with him he knows a little bit about 514 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.759 his his uh ways exactly. 515 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.599 It's it's like you know Chief in that the Simpsons 516 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.640 that's doing the the one floor with the cuckoos nest thing. 517 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:23.559 Oh yeah, numbers he talks, well, nobody ever said anything 518 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:23.839 to me. 519 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.960 Right, yeah, yeah, sure. They just treat him like a 520 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:31.720 beast chained in a little dungeon thing exactly. Wise, and 521 00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:37.000 he asks him his name. What a concept. Yeah, but man, 522 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.200 this movie is murky looking. 523 00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:46.839 I I wish it looked a little more, I don't know, 524 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:52.200 you know, like a little more like traditional Star Wars. 525 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:57.319 Yeah. I can appreciate it for some moody atmosphere from 526 00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:02.400 time to time, depending on where they are. But the thing, 527 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.000 you know, I'll just speak for myself. I sort of 528 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.079 complain a little bit these days when people only build 529 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:09.720 parts and it has been going for a long time, 530 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.640 but I think they've taken to extreme these days where 531 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.880 they build parts of sets and then they fill out 532 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.160 the rest either through like the volume or CGI or whatever, 533 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.079 And so there really doesn't feel like there's any depth, 534 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.079 you know, or or anything to a lot of locations 535 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.680 anymore in big budgeted movies, unfortunately. And this movie appears 536 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:32.319 to have that depth. It has the locations, it has 537 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:34.319 the sets that they built, and I kind of hate 538 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.599 that they're obscured by all this murkiness. But you know, 539 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:39.279 that's not to say that I don't like that as 540 00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:41.079 a style. I mean, I think of The Godfather or 541 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.039 even Amadais, you know, movies that were lit by literal 542 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:50.000 candlelight in some instances, I think it can fit sometimes, 543 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:54.160 but even Amideis is more brightly lit than this movie. Yeah. 544 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:58.240 So it looks kind of like the settings on your 545 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:01.160 TV got you know, put back to factory setting and 546 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:03.559 you need to readjust them or something. Yeah, I know. 547 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.279 I mean as I was rewatching, I was monking around 548 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.319 with my settings just so just trying to figure out, like, 549 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:12.720 is my my monitor burning out? 550 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:13.960 You know? Interesting? 551 00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.759 So, I know, Brian, you've been waiting to see Han 552 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:22.599 and Chewy shower together for a long time. 553 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:24.640 So I was so I was like, where's this going. 554 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.880 I remember, excitedly you were punching my arm as we 555 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:28.519 were watching this. 556 00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.079 Yeah. I pulled up my Bengo car and crossed the 557 00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:32.319 little X off a box. 558 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.839 You excitedly pulled out a scroll of your Chewy Han 559 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.599 shower fan fix and and rubbed them in my face. 560 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.519 And I was like, okay, yeah, I got. 561 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.119 Speaking of the dice, do you remember that we we 562 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:53.400 we I brought up some dice for us when we 563 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.000 saw this, just to mark the occasion, because I thought 564 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.880 it was really fun and special, and so I have 565 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:03.799 them actually right next to me here in my car. Yeah. 566 00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.599 This is nice, a nice. You know. It's that's another 567 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:11.960 thing too, you notice, Like movies, I think as the 568 00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:13.680 years go on, I mean, I know people have been 569 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.839 complaining about MTV editing for the longest time, and movies 570 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.680 have been speeding up. But you know, I've spoken with 571 00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.920 editors and they're like, oh yeah, like they executives, whoever 572 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:27.519 the powers that be that ultimately make the decisions. It's 573 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:29.799 like they just don't trust an audience is willing to 574 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:32.920 sit and listen for very long, right, And so you 575 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:35.799 know scenes where two characters are just kind of talking 576 00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.079 and maybe it's not progressing the story, but it is 577 00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.519 illuminating something, you know, it is helping us to understand 578 00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:44.920 the characters better. It's they get nervous about those types 579 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.039 of scenes. And I thought about that during that moment 580 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:51.119 where Han and Chew we are just standing on that 581 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.039 little balcony sort of area, just so, what's your name, 582 00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:56.119 you know, just kind of talking to each other, and 583 00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.839 it it makes their relationship, you know, more believable in 584 00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:03.279 meaningful later in the movie. So I I admire the 585 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:08.400 movie for having the patience for those quieter moments too. Yeah. 586 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.680 Well, I think this is where, you know, to some extent, 587 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.119 you know, you can switch up certain aspects of Star 588 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:19.079 Wars films, but you are behold and to the storytelling 589 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.960 approach of of the films up to this time, right, 590 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.599 And I think that's where it works in this movie's favor. 591 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:26.400 Hmmm. 592 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.279 Sure, you can't mix it up too much. And maybe 593 00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:31.480 you know, as we record this, we have not seen 594 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:35.000 Mandalorian and Grogu yet. Maybe you know that's they're just 595 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:38.200 gonna They're just gonna Michael Bay Armageddon, that thing. I 596 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:42.440 have no idea, I suspect not. I mean it's John Favreau, 597 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:42.599 you know. 598 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:44.519 Yeah, I was just about to say, yeah, you. 599 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.680 Know, but but but you know, I think that works 600 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:51.000 in his favorite Star Wars is meant to be old 601 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.039 fashioned in some way. 602 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.720 M m. That works in his favor. Well, And that's 603 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.920 what I kept thinking as I was watching this, and 604 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.039 even you know, by the time it was over, this 605 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.880 is a very old fashioned story. Yeah, you know, a 606 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:11.359 real hero's journey and just lessons learned. And I don't know, 607 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.640 I just it doesn't feel like it needs to subvert. 608 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.640 I mean, there are twists and turns, but it doesn't 609 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.680 need to like subvert for the sake of subverting to 610 00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:22.000 try to get you know, triple fake out the audience 611 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:26.119 or anything like. It's just a good, solid story about 612 00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:28.319 a guy we like and are interested in. And I 613 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:32.680 just really admire it. It just feels old fashioned as 614 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.599 and I say it as a high compliment, confident in 615 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.119 its story and that we will go on that ride 616 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:44.960 and and you know, enjoy going on it with him. 617 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:50.559 Well, and and this sequence gets us as close to 618 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.039 you know, Indie with the whip and the you know, 619 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:58.799 sure with him getting his blaster, and I was I 620 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:02.680 was thinking, later, you know when you see him wielding 621 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.759 the blaster, you know, during the Kessel sequence, then later 622 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.799 like that blaster does a lot of the lot of 623 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:13.799 the lifting to give us like the silhouette of Han solo, 624 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.880 you know. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of remarkable. It's a 625 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:19.759 it's a hell of an iconic gun. 626 00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:24.759 Definitely, and we get the iconic pose, you know, when 627 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:29.960 he's holding people off when there's that robot slave revolt. Yeah, 628 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.480 which is funny because when I think, well, no, I 629 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.160 guess it does happen in the movies. I was gonna say, 630 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.279 I mostly know what I think from promotional materials, but 631 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:36.920 that's not true. 632 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.279 Well, like in A New Hope when exactly when he's 633 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:47.480 when he's about to board the falcon and on indoor, Yeah, 634 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:48.400 I'm doing that exactly. 635 00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:55.759 Yeah. It is interesting though it seems people understand Chewy. 636 00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.599 Maybe they can't speak, well he doesn't, as I said that, 637 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:03.279 but other characters seem to pick up on what he's saying. 638 00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:05.359 Or am I wrong? Well, I I just sort of 639 00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:06.279 miss it the whole time. 640 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.320 Han is translating for him. 641 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:13.519 Yeah, but in the other films, I mean, do people 642 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:15.159 actually know what he's saying or are they just rolling 643 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:16.960 with his mood. 644 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.559 I think for the most part, they don't direct, like, 645 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.840 they don't converse with Chewy like Han does. 646 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:27.840 I'm like having a moment where I'm like realizing this now, 647 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.119 sort of like usual suspects, Like I'm seeing all the 648 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.280 scenes again in my head, like, wait, were they not 649 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:34.400 understanding him? Yeah? 650 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.400 Because if you remember in the Force Awakens, when Han 651 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:43.360 and Chewie first come aboard the falcon, Ray is the 652 00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:48.800 first one to speak to him, and Finn is like, 653 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:50.079 you can understand that thing. 654 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:51.719 Yeah, you're right. 655 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:56.920 So other than Han, Ray is the first one to 656 00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:02.920 actually speak or yeah to you know, which just goes 657 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.920 to why she's a Mary Sue, right, Brian, Well, I was. 658 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:11.079 Gonna say, I guess that's a really good way to 659 00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:15.679 immediately make us feel like a character is connected you 660 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.280 or someone we can trust, right because he becomes her copilot. 661 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.719 That's a normal reaction, Brian. But we're talking about Star 662 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.239 Wars fans, so I don't know what the hell you're doing. 663 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:29.559 Here, right. I love this sequence, by the way, this 664 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:29.920 is great. 665 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:31.639 I was about to say, what are great heists sequence 666 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:32.079 we have here? 667 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:37.119 Totally cool, very western, you know, but like in a 668 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:41.199 Star Wars setting, right, So it's this. I love the 669 00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:43.920 idea of this track, and it's built to go around 670 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:47.519 these mountains, so every now and then it'll tilt, you know, 671 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:52.679 which creates a great occasional issue for the characters trying 672 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.360 to stand on top of the train. They got to 673 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.440 hold on at certain points because the train is tilting. 674 00:35:56.719 --> 00:36:04.880 So it's great. John Favreaux, I forgot that he voiced 675 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:06.079 that pilot character. 676 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:10.159 Yeah, and this is pre Mandalorian, so he just did 677 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.719 this for love of the game. M They're like, you 678 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.280 want to voice a weird monkey man and he's like, 679 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:17.119 you're goddamn right. 680 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.360 But you know, a lot of times I'm always pointing 681 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:24.840 out visual effects and being like, why does it look 682 00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.639 so flat? Why is it blah blah blah. But this 683 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:32.119 looks great. Yeah, I feel like everything blends together. Well, 684 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:36.960 I don't know what's real, what isn't. I think there's 685 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.960 enough of it that's real that these actors are walking 686 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.559 on that makes it believable to me, Right, that they're 687 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.920 in this environment and the way that they blend with 688 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.599 whatever isn't there. I just I think this is really 689 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:50.599 exceptionally done. 690 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:56.360 It's a terrific sequence. I mean, we get several solid 691 00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:01.000 action sequences in this film, and that really helps. 692 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:07.840 Yep. But you know, I don't know if I want 693 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:14.719 to save it, yeah, I'll save it, Okay. Suspense, Yeah, 694 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:15.360 I mean, do. 695 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.679 We want to talk about the absolute shit show that 696 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:18.840 went on behind the scenes of this? 697 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.039 I was gonna say, yeah, I mean, I got notes 698 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:26.519 whenever we're ready? Yeah, where to begin? 699 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:38.719 Well, you know, what's what's remarkable is how it, unfortunately 700 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.880 behind the scenes chaos sort of came to characterize the 701 00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:47.960 entirety of Kathleen Kennedy's time in so far as the 702 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.679 big screen portion of the Star Wars franchise. 703 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.039 That is a great point because everyone was happy with 704 00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:59.800 Force Awakens. Yeah, right, so you're saying this, you think 705 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:00.679 this was when. 706 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.119 I mean it started really with Rogue one, right, which, 707 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:11.719 like they they kind of snuck that one out and 708 00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:16.199 and it did okay, so they looked past that the 709 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:18.960 the you know, I mean it, what you realize in 710 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.400 hindsight is how much of it was Frankenstein together, you know, 711 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:27.119 And I think to some extent the brain trust that 712 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:28.880 lucasfilm got it in their heads, oh we can just 713 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:33.000 do this all the time, and and then it just 714 00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:36.559 caught up to them here, you know. H but you 715 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.400 had this and what became Rise of Skywalker in rapid 716 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:46.559 succession go through something similar, you know, and it is 717 00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:47.440 what it is, you know. 718 00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:50.039 Yeah. By the way, I just want to call it 719 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:55.079 that move where Han is going to hit that I 720 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.480 don't even know what is that little tower as he's 721 00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:59.239 dangling on the side of the train. So I love 722 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.079 the way he has to improves where he lets undoes 723 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.239 his cable so he drops and miss is hitting the tower, 724 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:06.800 but then he's got to grab onto the bottom of 725 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:11.039 the train. It's just so very Spielbergie and inventive and 726 00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:18.880 using your environment for exciting action. Yeah, that's great stuff. Yeah. 727 00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:22.440 Well so, I mean this was part of the initiative 728 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:26.119 right when they were kicking Star Wars back off under 729 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:29.280 the Disney regime. It's like, we're gonna have Skywalker sequels, 730 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.880 but we're also gonna have these other stories, you know 731 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:35.599 that involve other characters, the origin stories of some of 732 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:39.199 our characters. And to make sure that they felt you know, 733 00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:44.199 legitimate and make fans excited, they brought back, you know, 734 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.760 the legendary people who were involved in the original movies 735 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.920 that we all loved. Right, So Lawrence Kasden like not, 736 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.599 you know, you could imagine when they say we're gonna 737 00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:56.639 do an origin story for Han Solo, people like, uh, 738 00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.960 You're like written by Lawrence Kasden, Right, the guy who 739 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.440 wrote Empire Strikes Back, co wrote Return of the Jedi, 740 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:03.760 wrote Raiders of the Lost Arc. 741 00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:05.920 You're like, oh, go on. 742 00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:10.440 Right exactly, And so then Lawrence Kasden was like, cool, 743 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.199 but I want to do this with my son, right, Jonathan, 744 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:19.519 And so they wrote this script together. Lucasfilm's like, great, 745 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:23.760 let's make this. And then they brought on Phil Lord 746 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:28.840 and Christopher Miller to direct. And they are interesting choices 747 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.880 because right they begin an animation, they do a show 748 00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.440 for MTV called Clone High, and then they make a 749 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.920 movie for Sony called Claudie with a Chance of Meatballs, 750 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:43.159 which I think, you know, I mean, that was a 751 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.079 huge catapult for them right where it was this sort 752 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.440 of it was a book originally that I don't think 753 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:50.960 had a lot of plot, and they turned it in 754 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:59.239 this really funny, sweet, inventive, clever kids film that I 755 00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.639 remember hearing like, actually, this movie's pretty good. You should 756 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.199 check it out. And so kids liked it, adults liked it, 757 00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.519 and then they went, I believe did they do the 758 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.239 twenty one Jump Street movies? Next d did? Yeah, which 759 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.039 is hilarious because it's like, Okay, the guys who made 760 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.039 this really cute family movie now, either way, real quick, 761 00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.639 Brian no please? Yeah? Rio right here. 762 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:20.159 As he coughs and wheezes the last he says it's 763 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.960 no good to die alone, kid to hanh And I'm 764 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.360 gonna say, I don't know, maybe dying alone beats getting 765 00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:31.639 stabbed in the chest by your son, just putting that 766 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:33.119 out there, right. 767 00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:35.239 Oh, I didn't even you know what, I didn't even 768 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.280 think about. We're seeing this young Han and then connecting 769 00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:41.400 him to his death. 770 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.800 Yeah, anyway, go on anyway. 771 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:46.800 Yeah. So they make twenty one Jump Street, which is 772 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:49.079 just a completely different sort of thing. Right. They make 773 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:56.440 this hard R like kind of improvisation comedy, right, and 774 00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.440 it's a remake of a kind of forgotten nineteen eighties 775 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.719 TV series that has a very goofy premise, right, where 776 00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:07.880 these like cops go undercovers high school students, and so 777 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.440 it's like, what the heck is this? And then it 778 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.000 comes out and it's hilarious. Everyone's like, oh, this, this 779 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.360 is amazing. And then it's like, oh, well, now these 780 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:19.320 guys are going to make a Lego movie, right, which 781 00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:24.400 just sounds very like like selling out commercial, you know, like, 782 00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:26.519 are you gonna make like a toy movie based on this? 783 00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:28.000 How do you even do that? What does it even 784 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.119 look like like? And then lo and behold they come 785 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.599 up with the Lego movie and it's brilliant. 786 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:35.599 Everything was awesome. 787 00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:42.880 Yeah, it's just a really ingenious story that uses legos 788 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.519 and it becomes kind of its own thing. And you know, anyway, 789 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.760 it's all that to say, they have this really unusual career, 790 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:52.920 and they also had this knack for taking things that 791 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.960 feel like they shouldn't work right and then making hits 792 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.440 out of them that everybody loves. So you can see 793 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.639 why Lucasfilm might think, hey, you know, would be kind 794 00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.679 of cool like Han Solo, it's an adventure film, but 795 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:10.199 he's also kind of roguish and funny, and you know, 796 00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:14.920 you want to have like a humor to it also, right, 797 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.920 it's not just action and like what these guys did 798 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.239 the twenty one Jump Street thing and the Lego thing, 799 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:21.880 and they're just very inventive and they know how to 800 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.880 take things and make them feel fresh and exciting and 801 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:27.199 new and have a perspective on it. I could see 802 00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:31.800 completely why they would bring those guys in to you know, 803 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.039 at least pitch on making a Han solo movie. I mean, 804 00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.719 do you do you see that too now or does 805 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:39.880 that feel sort of like, well maybe that wasn't the best. 806 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:43.880 Well no, it makes it look look at who they 807 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:47.559 were roping in at the time, right, like like Ryan Johnson, 808 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:51.960 I mean again opinion of last Jedi, notwithstanding he you know, 809 00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.519 he was coming off of Brick and Looper, young up 810 00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.079 and coming right. H Remember Josh Trank was attached to 811 00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.639 a Boba Fett movie for a minute, forgot about that, 812 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:03.519 but yes, yeah, right, you know, and so Lord and 813 00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:07.639 Miller part of that wave, right, m you know, even 814 00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.119 even Vennioffen. Weis right, it's like these these people who 815 00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:15.519 are coming up who you know, I'm sure the thinking was, 816 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.599 you know, bring their perspectives, these new, unique, young, unique perspectives, 817 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:25.480 these young these filmmakers who no doubt grew up liking 818 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:27.360 Star Wars, and let them have their say in it. 819 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.079 And and so that was the thinking. And obviously the 820 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:32.920 way it went is is the way it went, which 821 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.639 I'm sure you'll talk about more, but I certainly don't 822 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.880 quibble with the choice to bring them on m You know, 823 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.519 I would say probably there was there was a lot 824 00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.559 of stuff that was not clarified between the various parties 825 00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:47.199 ahead of time. 826 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.639 Well, and that's true because when you say, you know, 827 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.199 young up and coming with Ryan Johnson, I think you 828 00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:58.079 on paper could possibly say that about them because they 829 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:02.199 hadn't they'd taken some things that felt like underdog projects 830 00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:04.920 and made them big. It wasn't like they've made a 831 00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:06.719 Lord of the Rings movie or a Star Wars movie 832 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:09.760 or anything. At this point, however, they have had a 833 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:14.440 lot of success and clearly in their minds they have 834 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.519 a process that works for them. So you have to 835 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.360 imagine if they're being brought into something, they're thinking, yeah, 836 00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.679 we'll do what we do because you like what we do. 837 00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:26.639 Right, right, and and here's the thing, right, if I 838 00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:36.119 can plot a parallel look at Joe and Anthony Russo. Right, 839 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.199 if you would have said, oh, these guys who direct 840 00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:45.559 you know, Happy Endings and Arrested Development and community, Oh 841 00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.920 they're gonna make this grounded, gritty political thriller, right, like 842 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:55.719 it doesn't line up, right, But what you realize is 843 00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.199 that on the producing side, you know, obviously the the 844 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:05.639 ship had already been well established, right, So by then 845 00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:09.519 we're two phases in, Kevin Feigey had already sort of 846 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.639 standardized how things work there, and people could work within, 847 00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:16.960 people had flexibility within that, right, right. And I think 848 00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.239 at this point this is not meant to like point 849 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:21.119 the finger of Blane at Kathleen Kennedy. I'm just saying, 850 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.760 like Star Wars being back, and Star Wars in this way, 851 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:25.320 it was sort of a. 852 00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:26.800 Whole new thing. Yeah. 853 00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:31.880 Yeah, so maybe there wasn't that that architecture in place 854 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:32.880 to work within. 855 00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:35.559 Mm hmm. That's a really good point. Well, and then 856 00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.960 that's one of the criticisms that comes up a lot 857 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:41.159 about the sequel trilogy is it doesn't feel like they 858 00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:44.719 had a lot planned out in advance. They sort of 859 00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:46.639 thought they would bring in exciting people and let them 860 00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:47.199 do their thing. 861 00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:52.320 And yeah, well, and that critique will will live, you know, 862 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:56.400 as long as film exists, which is, you knew you 863 00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:58.000 were going to have three You're telling me you didn't 864 00:46:58.000 --> 00:46:59.360 at least have three napkins? 865 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:02.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 866 00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.199 With with a plot scribbled on them, you know, right, 867 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:11.280 that's just that'll baffle you know, generations to come, you know. 868 00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.599 Yeah, yeah, but just real quick, just looking at what's 869 00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:18.039 on screen, I do want to say I love this 870 00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:22.440 idea of the coaxium. Yeah, the fuel. It's like a 871 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.880 great mcguffin that makes a lot of sense in this 872 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:30.400 universe that people can lose they need to get it back, 873 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:35.159 and it's also rare and highly volatile. Yeah, and what 874 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.360 a brilliant way of helping us understand that where we 875 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.000 see this heist and we know it's important, but they 876 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.840 lose it and it hits a mountain. This train car 877 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:48.599 filled with it hits a mountain and the mountain is leveled. Yeah, like, 878 00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.079 you do not want to mess with this stuff. 879 00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.159 By the way, real quick, doesn't han we're in that coat? 880 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:56.199 Doesn't he kind of look like that that tubby guy 881 00:47:56.239 --> 00:48:00.159 who played Jaba in the original like deleted scene of 882 00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.679 like yeah, yeah, sure sure, like before they added CG. 883 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:10.679 Java. Yeah, yeah, the Scottish actors like sol La Sola. 884 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:16.239 Yeah that's smarty. But then I love That's the thing too, 885 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:17.719 is when you do a Star Wars movie, there's things 886 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.119 you want to see that are you know, familiar stuff 887 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:23.239 you want to recognize. They keep going back to desert planets, 888 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:26.039 and I know that's been a criticism, but also it 889 00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:30.199 delights me. What can I say? But I like when 890 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.360 they go to new places too, and see seeing the 891 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.440 Star Wars version of that. So now we're seeing a 892 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.599 Star Wars yacht, right, and the version of that is 893 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.079 it's not on water, but it's this big, elegant floating, 894 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:49.639 you know, ship basically, And I don't know, like certainly 895 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:53.079 like we have the casino thing in Last Jedi, which 896 00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.920 I know some people are like and some don't. I 897 00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:57.760 did because I was like, well, I've never seen this before. 898 00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.280 This is it's cool seeing what that looks like, Like 899 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.400 what are the wealthy? How do they live in Star 900 00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:05.760 Wars times? Because we're usually not in that world and 901 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:08.719 so this to me just I don't know, I I 902 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.880 like similar to that. I like this. I like seeing 903 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.800 Han who's probably never been in a place like this before, 904 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:18.960 wandering around this yacht and seeing you know, a lounge 905 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:24.719 singer and you know, people with serving trays and all 906 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.400 that sort of thing. Yeah, it's a good idea. It's 907 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.920 a new idea and it's fun this reunion, of course, 908 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:32.880 it's very sweet. I love them. 909 00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:34.159 Elia Clark, She's great. 910 00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:38.119 Yeah. Well you you've interviewed her and had a great experience. 911 00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:39.880 Right, I've said before one of one of the best 912 00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:43.000 interviews I had. She was just just just you know, 913 00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.679 so fun, just very friendly. 914 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:47.960 You know. 915 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.559 I love her smile, you know, like you can see 916 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:58.599 why Han is like like, no, Kira would never like 917 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.199 I know, you know, she'd betray me or you know, 918 00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:04.440 like because she just smiles and you just you just 919 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:06.519 can can just fall into it, you know. 920 00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:12.800 Yeah, I really this story really works for me, the 921 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:17.559 two of them, because all he's been thinking about is 922 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.880 reuniting with her. And how can I reunite with her? Well, 923 00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.519 then I'll join the military. I'll do like I'll join 924 00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:26.159 these criminals. I'll do whatever it takes so I can 925 00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:28.719 go get her. And so this reunion is everything to him, 926 00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.400 and I love how she plays it because you can 927 00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:38.000 see that she's excited too, but she also knows things 928 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:42.440 he doesn't know. She knows things have changed. Yeah, but 929 00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:47.719 there is still a genuine joy in her eyes seeing him, 930 00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:50.679 you know what I mean, Like that conflict and the 931 00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.239 balance that she's trying to the tightrope. She's trying to 932 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:56.320 walk through this whole story with him and her relationship 933 00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:58.760 with him. I like that. It's not like she smiles 934 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:00.840 at him and then he away and then we see 935 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:04.639 her smile drop and so the whole movie we're like, right, like, 936 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.559 oh that sucks. She's not with him, you know, in 937 00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:12.320 her heart anymore. And I think they do a really 938 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:16.639 good job of she must do what she has to 939 00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:19.079 do in this movie, but you can see her heart 940 00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:21.320 fighting against it the whole way, and that, to me, 941 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:25.960 that's makes me I connect with that more. Yeah, no, 942 00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:32.840 I totally agree. Yeah, Oh that was funny. By the way, too, 943 00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:36.000 I do like the when Beck it's just like, you know, 944 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:38.960 no one in here is your friend, so don't even 945 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.599 like look at anybody, like look at the floor. And 946 00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.360 then like he Han literally does that. He's like he's 947 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.119 like a grown man, but he's like walking through the 948 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.559 ship just looking at the ground, like, okay, look at anybody. 949 00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:54.320 Something about that makes me laugh. Well, we should speaking changes. Yeah, 950 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.639 we gonna have to hopscotch stories here, but yeah, please. 951 00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:58.559 Well Dryden boss, I think you're gonna say. This was 952 00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:03.480 originally played by Michael Kenneth Williams, and then that was 953 00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:07.599 in the Lord and Miller portion yep. And then after 954 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:09.880 the changes in the reshoots, he just wasn't available. I 955 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:10.920 think that's what it came down to. 956 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:15.519 You, right, Unfortunately, Yes, yeah, he scheduling made it so 957 00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:20.440 he couldn't work with Ron Howard, but they did rethink 958 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.119 his character and. 959 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.360 He was supposed to be kind of a cat looking 960 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:25.599 thing or something, right. 961 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:27.119 Yeah. So I actually have a quote from him. It 962 00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:29.920 was going to be a motion capture character and he 963 00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:33.719 says it was half mountain lion, half human. Okay, just 964 00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.639 reading his quotes here, he says he was extremely sophisticated, 965 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:39.079 very rich, he'd been around the world, older guy. And 966 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:41.440 it was sort of a love triangle between Emilia Clark's 967 00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:45.239 character and the young Hans solo. He said it was 968 00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:47.679 not necessarily a love triangle, but he said it was 969 00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:55.719 a pissing contest for her attention. Hmm, very different, right, 970 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:58.079 And I think the thinking was, if there is going 971 00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:00.920 to be this possible love trying, I don't know that i'd 972 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:02.760 call it a love triangle, but yeah, it certainly is 973 00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:06.119 the attention of Kira, right. You know, you can see 974 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.880 your attention and feelings, as different as they may be 975 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.679 divided between Han and between Dryden and having him look 976 00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:17.199 a little more human like versus a cat, I think 977 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:19.760 helps sell that, and you know, it makes it feel 978 00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:22.199 like more of a threat to Han. 979 00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.440 Yeah, you know, well, it's like, first of all, I think, 980 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:27.199 I think Paul Bettney's great in this movie. 981 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.199 I really like him. He's perfect because sometimes you kind 982 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:32.480 of he puts you at ease and you're like, Okay, 983 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:34.440 we're good, We're good. I mean, I know I'm not 984 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:36.559 in the best situation here, but he's being kind of 985 00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:38.360 like friendly to me. But then he'll turn on a 986 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:39.800 dime and you're like, oh, he's gonna kill me. 987 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.039 That's well, he kind of lulls you because he's He's 988 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.400 Jarvis for goodness sake. You know, you get you get 989 00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:51.199 pulled in by his voice. So he's great. However, you 990 00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:55.800 know the fact that we missed out on ever having 991 00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:58.239 Michael Kenneth Williams and Star Wars is such a shame. 992 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.880 I agree. I mean, his energy would be amazing right 993 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:04.400 in any of these movies. So I agree we're never 994 00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:08.079 gonna have that opportunity again. Unfortunately, you know, Yeah, because 995 00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.920 he passed away. Also should note I didn't know this 996 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.239 until I did the research, but Dryden scars on his 997 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:20.920 face are cgi added in post. Really is that nuts? 998 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.159 That's fascinating. They look really good. 999 00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:25.119 That's great. 1000 00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:27.519 Yeah, And what's cool is when he gets angry they 1001 00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:28.360 turn more red. 1002 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:35.559 So is that something they decided on later, like, oh, 1003 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:37.719 he should have a look or was it something they 1004 00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:40.079 decided from the beginning. Oh, we'll just do it in post. 1005 00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:46.079 I don't know, but I can imagine like, Okay, we'll 1006 00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:52.679 have this human character, but like, maybe that's not exotic enough, right, 1007 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:54.800 you know, because if you have a room full of 1008 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:58.800 humans talking, does it still feel Star warsy? So like 1009 00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:03.079 giving him something not just scars, but scars that change 1010 00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:05.840 colors with his mood, like it just adds that little, 1011 00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.960 you know, fantasy part to it. See. 1012 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:11.480 I think we should have scars that are just moving 1013 00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:14.599 around the face like Rorshak's mask, you know, yeah, right right, 1014 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:16.440 just to mix. 1015 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:18.400 It up a little, and we should call it too. 1016 00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:21.880 He has these sort of artifacts and relics and things 1017 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:24.440 in the background, and one of them is the fertility 1018 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:27.199 idol from Raiders of Lost arc Yep, yeah, it's it's 1019 00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:33.760 not even like hidden. You can see it like pretty clearly. Yeah, 1020 00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:38.480 right there over Hans shoulder, yep. And that skull, which 1021 00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:40.480 I guess could be like a crystal skull, but like 1022 00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.079 it reminds me of the uh, the thing from Temple 1023 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.159 of Doom with the stones in it, that skull. 1024 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:48.519 Oh yeah, well apparently that's that's a tie in to 1025 00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:50.800 a one of the Old Legends novels. 1026 00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:53.039 Oh interesting, Yeah. 1027 00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:56.960 There was, there was There was several like young Han 1028 00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:03.480 solo novels m hm written. Well there's a few, but 1029 00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:06.000 but there were some by by Brian Daly, who also 1030 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:11.800 wrote the Star Wars radio adaptations. M HMMI, which are 1031 00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:12.239 a lot of fun. 1032 00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:15.519 You've listened to those, right, I've probably heard bits of 1033 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:18.000 them on YouTube, but I haven't really heard the whole thing. 1034 00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:18.719 Those are. 1035 00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:22.039 Those are fun, Like if you're if you're looking for 1036 00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.199 something to listen to on a drive, you know, mm hmm, 1037 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:27.360 just put those on, you got. I mean, it's like 1038 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.039 the Star Wars radio play is something like like ten 1039 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:36.599 ten episodes, so it's like five hours, you know, so 1040 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:39.760 they really expand it outward, you know, so it's like 1041 00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:44.039 before and during and uh, the Empire Strikes Back adaptation 1042 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.800 is terrific also, and Mark Hamill is in is in 1043 00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:47.880 Star Wars an Empire. 1044 00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:51.880 That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, they actually get the actual actors. 1045 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:55.480 Well doesn't the Star Wars one or New Hope have 1046 00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:59.360 like deleted scenes right, like where Luke is seeing the battle? 1047 00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:04.840 Yeah, deleted and like added scenes. So like you've got 1048 00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:11.559 like the whole sequence where it's like, uh, Leah and 1049 00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:15.639 her and and Baylor Ghana are like planning like the 1050 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:18.280 lead up to what happens, you know, the with the 1051 00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:22.159 blockade runner and stuff. It's really interesting. It's like an artifact, 1052 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:22.360 you know. 1053 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:23.760 That's cool. I love that. 1054 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:27.519 And and and apparently Lucas because they were on NPR, 1055 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:31.440 Lucas gave them the rights for a dollar. Oh I 1056 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:33.559 love that, right, And he gave them use of the 1057 00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:35.880 music and sound effects everything, you know, and it was 1058 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:37.440 just a way to like help out NPR. 1059 00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:42.440 I love that. Yeah, that's great that. 1060 00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.079 He's you know what's funny is he's he's so perfect 1061 00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:53.199 as as Lando and and just doing doing that Billy 1062 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.840 d Williams is you know yeah, yeah, yeah, just that 1063 00:57:56.840 --> 00:58:00.000 that swagger and you know, I I remember an interview 1064 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:03.519 he gave where he talked he met with Billy d Williams. 1065 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:06.039 Oh okay, he's like and he's like, you know, he's 1066 00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.079 like does he do this because of this? And like 1067 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:12.480 trying to dig into his history, and Billy dy Williams 1068 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:13.880 said something to the effective I don't know what any of 1069 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:17.960 that is. Man, just just just he's just cool, you know, right, 1070 00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:19.320 and he just went with that. 1071 00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:23.800 You know. Hey, well Donald Glover's got swaggered too, So 1072 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:26.760 that's kind of perfect, like melded together and you get 1073 00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:29.480 his interpretation. I like it. 1074 00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:32.880 I mean it. I think both of these guys, Aaron 1075 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.320 Aaron Reich and Donald Glover, they do a good job 1076 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:41.400 of playing characters who feel like they become those other guys. 1077 00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:45.280 Totally, Totally. I did want to call that out. Yeah, 1078 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:49.320 when they're having that meeting with Dryden. I love that 1079 00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:53.519 Han speaks up in meetings. Yeah, like, hey, I got 1080 00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:57.559 an idea. Yeah, you know, I'm a great pilot. It's 1081 00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.400 like the cockiness, but a different version of the cockiness 1082 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:02.960 that we will know later, right, you know, Like we 1083 00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:06.239 see him get humbled and hurt over the course of 1084 00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.639 this story, and so he's still like kind of smug 1085 00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:14.039 and cocky later, but he doesn't speak up like that anymore, right, 1086 00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.800 you know which I love. I love seeing the early version. 1087 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:20.440 It resembles Han, that's right. It's not quite the Han 1088 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:22.800 will know yet and we'll see gets there. 1089 00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:26.599 And then And that's tricky, right, Like the comparison I 1090 00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:29.920 made at the time, and I think it's still apt is. Uh. 1091 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:35.800 It's like Chris Pine playing Captain Kirk, where like he's 1092 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:39.000 not doing William Shannon impression and when I when I 1093 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:41.119 see him, I believe he's Captain Kirk. 1094 00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:42.719 Mm hmmm. 1095 00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.559 I think Aaron Reich is doing something similar, where again 1096 00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:50.920 it's not you know, he's not you know, who is 1097 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:52.920 that guy? You know, everybody was like, oh, he should 1098 00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.440 play young Hanslo what's his name? You know we're talking 1099 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:57.320 about he does he doesn't. Oh, yes, he does yeah 1100 00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:00.519 videos on YouTube and he does Ruber that's his name. 1101 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:04.079 Yeah, he doesn't. Excellent. I don't want to say impersonation 1102 01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.360 because he is playing him in as a role in 1103 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:09.039 a bunch of these sort of short films that are 1104 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.119 on YouTube. But he's he's definitely got like the eyes 1105 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.039 right and kind of the crooked smile and the and 1106 01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:19.760 certainly the voice like he and as a really good job. 1107 01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.719 Yeah, and and you know, I don't know how he 1108 01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:30.280 would have been, but like to me, I think the 1109 01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:33.840 hope was that we would have several of these films. 1110 01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:37.199 I'm sure that's what Disney was hoping for. And so 1111 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.679 to some extent, you you need to disconnect the actor 1112 01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:49.599 and the character. It can't be like a slavish imitation, right, uh. 1113 01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:53.000 And that's tricky. I mean, I mean, look Sean Patrick 1114 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:59.400 Flannery and River Phoenix as younger in like you know 1115 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.639 that again, I think both of them have aspects of 1116 01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:03.239 Harrison Ford. 1117 01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:03.639 Neither of them. 1118 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:06.039 Certainly, River Phoenix was not imitating Harrison Ford. 1119 01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:10.000 Yeah, just certain he would do like certain affectations, but 1120 01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:14.760 he wasn't doing a Harrison Ford imitation exactly. Yeah. Yeah. 1121 01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.159 And that guy, you know, as good as he is, 1122 01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:21.039 and he's very very good, he is kind of imitating. 1123 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:22.440 That's right. 1124 01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:25.519 And that's you know, I think if you lean so 1125 01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:31.760 hard into imitation, then it's hard to I think it's 1126 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:35.519 hard to bring in naturalism to it, completely, agree, because right, 1127 01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:38.760 you can't make the character your own. You're playing Harrison 1128 01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:40.159 Ford playing Han solo. 1129 01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:46.320 Yes, yeah, yeah, that's exactly great point. What's his name again? 1130 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:48.559 Anthony and Kruber? 1131 01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:52.840 Okay, he also does a very good Robin Williams. Have 1132 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:54.519 you seen that yet? Well? 1133 01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:56.119 I saw the video. 1134 01:01:57.920 --> 01:01:59.360 Was this the one? Was it? 1135 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:01.079 Or maybe there was somebody else? 1136 01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:01.239 Right? 1137 01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:03.679 It was at the video where it was like from 1138 01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:07.719 a playing like when Robin Williams find out finds out 1139 01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:09.880 that John Blue she died. 1140 01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:11.760 Oh, that might be what I'm thinking of. 1141 01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:13.679 Yeah, that was was that him? 1142 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:18.159 I am well, now I'm gonna be on the record, 1143 01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:22.960 so I'm thinking I am pretty sure. I feel like 1144 01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.679 I remember seeing him do Robin Williams in a scene 1145 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:27.719 like it was like a short film or something. So 1146 01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:31.480 if it wasn't that, it was something very similar to that. 1147 01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:34.119 You know, talk to me about that. 1148 01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:37.159 I think you're good when we talk about becoming characters. 1149 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:38.920 You know, we were talking about the Star Wars radio plays. 1150 01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:40.960 I just want to mention this real quick. In the 1151 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:46.199 Empire Strikes Back adaptation, John Lithgow does the voice of Yoda. 1152 01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:50.639 Huh and right, And you say, well, well, why wouldn't 1153 01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:53.320 you get Frank Oz right? I mean, yeah, it's just 1154 01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:56.360 the voice, right, But frank Oz was like, I only 1155 01:02:57.079 --> 01:03:03.320 do Yoda when I'm doing a puppet. Oh literally, He's 1156 01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:06.519 like it for me, Yoda is the perform The performance 1157 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:08.679 is the puppet and the voice. 1158 01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:09.719 Fascinating. 1159 01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:13.159 Isn't that interesting? Yeah, And so that's why that's why 1160 01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:14.360 Litgo did the voice. 1161 01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:20.079 You know, it's interesting. In a big coincidence. Last night, 1162 01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:21.880 my friend Ched and I we went and saw an 1163 01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:24.719 American Werewolf in London. It was playing at the theater 1164 01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:29.079 by our house and our houses, I should say, and uh, 1165 01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:31.719 frank real quick, real quick. Uh. 1166 01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:34.199 The actor who did that Robin Williams thing I was 1167 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.480 talking about. His name is Jamie Costa. So that was 1168 01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:37.480 not Anthony River. 1169 01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:40.000 Okay, just to be clear anyway, No, go on for 1170 01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:43.880 the record, Yeah, no, I'm glad. I'm glad. Yeah. No, 1171 01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:46.440 frank Oz is in American Werewolf in London and just 1172 01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:49.719 this very brief cameo. And it's funny because he shows 1173 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:51.519 up and you're like, I am like ninety percent sure 1174 01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:53.480 that's frank Oz, and he's like, what are you doing here? 1175 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:55.559 And you're like, oh my gosh, yeh, yep, that's frank Oz. 1176 01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:00.360 That voice is unmistakable. 1177 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:04.480 Yeah, here's a cameo in in Blues brothers. 1178 01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:07.199 Also, Yeah, yeah, the land is connection I guess. 1179 01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:12.039 All right, So so Phoebe wall or Bridge. 1180 01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:15.679 Yes, uh, kind of hot off of Fleabag, probably in 1181 01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:17.440 this moment at this moment. 1182 01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:20.039 Yeah, and and uh one one of and there's Clint 1183 01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:24.199 Toward by the way, Yeah, one of one of two 1184 01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:29.360 Lucasfilm characters that passed completely without comment or contrabs. 1185 01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:33.159 Actually, as I was watching this, I was like, oh, yeah, 1186 01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:37.400 she's She's been in both major franchises for Lucasfilm. How funny. 1187 01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:41.400 That's right. That effect looks very good, by the way, right, 1188 01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:42.760 I guess that's her wearing. 1189 01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:44.480 A suit that that's incredible. 1190 01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:47.280 Yeah, with some like you know, green stockings and things 1191 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:49.480 to hide her neck and whatever. 1192 01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:51.679 But this kind of a kind of a jar jar effect. 1193 01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:56.039 Yeah, I mean it's perfectly blended into that environment. It 1194 01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:57.280 looks amazing. Yeah. 1195 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:02.119 So you definitely you definitely see Phoebe waller Bridge's personality. 1196 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:03.440 Oh definitely. 1197 01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:10.159 This is the most the most personality droid in all 1198 01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:12.159 of Star Wars, I think very much. 1199 01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:19.519 Yes, right, well let's see here, so I have I 1200 01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:21.480 have so much It's like, how do I even keep 1201 01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:25.639 track of all this stuff to talk about? So there 1202 01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:30.519 was a Jonathan Kasden, co writer, was on Twitter and 1203 01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.559 talked about some of the original ideas that Lord and 1204 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:38.719 Miller had for this okay that ended up remaining in 1205 01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:41.960 the movie even after they left, okay, And I think 1206 01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:44.639 part of that was developing. 1207 01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:47.639 The character of l three interesting Okay. 1208 01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:51.239 Yes, So I guess Lord and Miller were the ones 1209 01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:56.079 who came up with her being sort of this I 1210 01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:57.800 don't even know what you'd call it, like just her 1211 01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:02.400 personality and you know, waiting for droid rights and all 1212 01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:03.519 that sort of stuff. 1213 01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:07.840 So that was a Lord and Miller edition, yeah. 1214 01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:09.840 Or something maybe they like workshopped with her or that 1215 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:13.199 was developed. But I mean this sounds like something that 1216 01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:18.079 the Kasins were aware of and incorporated, sure, and kept 1217 01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:20.760 in there. So but it does feel kind of like them, 1218 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:25.920 doesn't it. Yeah, as long as we're talking about this stuff, 1219 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:28.199 other things that came from Lord and Miller that they 1220 01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:37.360 kept the opening land speeder chase through the streets of Karelia, Okay, 1221 01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:41.400 let's see their plan for Han and Chewbacca's first meeting 1222 01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:45.599 stayed the same. Lord and Miller came up with the 1223 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:53.480 idea of Hans speaking Wookie, which feels right. Also, yeah, 1224 01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:55.199 they came up with the idea of Han and Kira 1225 01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.639 kissing in Lando's cape closet. Yes. 1226 01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:01.039 Oh, by the way, real kick right here where we 1227 01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:06.840 saw Yeah, you know there's there's the essentially the the 1228 01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:11.599 falcon has a you know what I say on it, 1229 01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:15.280 the boots it's been booted. And so I remember when 1230 01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:18.480 Lando initially he's like, I want fifty percent, and they 1231 01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:20.599 talked him down to twenty five, and then to take 1232 01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:24.639 the thing off, talked him down to twenty. You might say, 1233 01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:30.199 this deal keeps getting worse all the time. That's hilarious. 1234 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:32.559 Would you have been up said if they had had 1235 01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:36.360 him say that, you know, I would have been okay 1236 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:40.559 with that, even though that's just his thing. He's always 1237 01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:41.840 in deal, like you never learned. 1238 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:44.199 Yeah, then we realize like, oh, maybe he's always on 1239 01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:45.119 the losing end of things. 1240 01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:46.760 Maybe it's just always just really bad. 1241 01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:47.119 You know. 1242 01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:49.880 By the way, we talked right past the fact that 1243 01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:55.079 they found like an in cannon explanation for why Billy 1244 01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:59.800 d always calls him hand yes, very funny, right, which 1245 01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:03.119 is just initially you're like, oh, well that's just you know, 1246 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:05.079 that's just what he calls him. I guess you know, 1247 01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:07.800 it's like, no, no, he Orlando's being a dick to him, 1248 01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:09.960 and so that's like, yeah, their banter. 1249 01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:12.760 I kind of love that. Yeah, I like that too. Also, 1250 01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.480 speaking of when the deals getting worse for Orlando, I 1251 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:17.119 love where he's just kind of quiet for a second. 1252 01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:19.399 He's like, I don't like it, I don't agree with it, 1253 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:23.520 but I accept it. That's a great line. 1254 01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:33.520 That's mistaken. That might be the first use of the 1255 01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:35.319 word ass in Star Wars. 1256 01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:38.920 You know, Yeah, it popped out to me too. I 1257 01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:40.880 think it might be. Also, it's kind of funny because 1258 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:45.359 they don't, yeah, use a lot of English curse words often. Yeah, 1259 01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:47.399 so when they do it, it's always like, oh, fascinating. 1260 01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:50.039 Actually, you know what I stand corrected in in the 1261 01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:53.279 last Jedi podammer and talks about the big ass door. 1262 01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:55.119 Yeah, it feels right. 1263 01:08:56.119 --> 01:09:01.880 No, right before, right right after the yo Mama joke 1264 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:08.680 that which also passed to that controversy. I believe nobody anything. 1265 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:15.560 Now this excuse me. This is when they started using 1266 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:17.039 I mean, guess now we call it the volume. I 1267 01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:18.600 don't even know if we knew what it was called 1268 01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:21.079 at this point, but they had yeah, they had these 1269 01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:24.560 enormous screens, so they didn't have to put in green 1270 01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:29.520 screen effect of the light speed, right, and so you 1271 01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.520 can actually have the actors looking at that and reacting 1272 01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:34.399 to what they're seeing and having the light dance on 1273 01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:38.319 their faces. And I think it's amazing, the perfect use 1274 01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:38.520 of it. 1275 01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:43.000 I mean, imagine being those actors. You're sitting in that bridge, 1276 01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:46.760 You're looking at that porthole, and you're seeing that effect. 1277 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:49.439 Yeah, oh my gosh, how could you not have like 1278 01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:54.720 a grin on your face that you just couldn't conjure Otherwise. 1279 01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:56.279 I was gonna say, Nerd Boner, but I like your away. 1280 01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:02.760 I forgot what that game is called. But the game 1281 01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:06.720 table here with the holographic pieces of funny, you can 1282 01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.039 see how discolored the ship becomes. 1283 01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:11.159 I know, man, they really let it go. 1284 01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:14.800 Yeah, because here it's all new and white and shiny, 1285 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:20.359 and now at this moment is kind of nice. 1286 01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:24.359 Did Jarik by the way, did Jarik? 1287 01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:31.520 Niceeah? This resembles the moment with Han and Lea Oh yeah. 1288 01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:34.520 Honestly, which is an interrupted kiss on the falcon. 1289 01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:37.279 I love it. It rhymes. 1290 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:45.159 That's like boch well, well, well, speaking of that, this 1291 01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:47.840 moment here is one of the one of the the 1292 01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:52.520 moments where they were shooting and George Lucas came to 1293 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:56.560 visit the set so he watched them. He watched them shooting, 1294 01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:00.039 and one of his bits of direction ended up in 1295 01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:00.399 the film. 1296 01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:03.319 Do you remember what it was? I remember that anecdote, 1297 01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:04.439 but I don't remember what it was. 1298 01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:09.239 Yeah, right there where we saw Hans take the cape 1299 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:10.319 and just toss. 1300 01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:12.119 It to the side instead of laying it up. 1301 01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:16.159 Yeah, He's like, Han wouldn't hang up Lando's cape? 1302 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:18.760 It does feel more Han. 1303 01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:22.159 He's like, you guys are ruining Star Wars already, God 1304 01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:24.399 damn it. And then he stormed off, and so as 1305 01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:29.279 a courtesy, Ron Howard is like, I guess. 1306 01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:35.479 We should do what he said. Yeah, Now see, I 1307 01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:39.560 like this. I like that they are both in this 1308 01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:42.760 moment together. Yeah you know what I mean, because. 1309 01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:46.159 It just makes like like he doesn't have to push 1310 01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:46.920 her too much, you. 1311 01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:50.039 Know, Yeah, yeah, like she misses him too, and it's 1312 01:11:50.119 --> 01:11:53.640 it's you know, bringing something back for her also, and 1313 01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:56.279 it just makes it more tragic that it ultimately doesn't 1314 01:11:56.319 --> 01:11:58.800 work out. Yeah, but if we knew from the start 1315 01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:01.079 that she was a little removed and just kind of 1316 01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:03.239 leading him along. It just wouldn't play right for me. 1317 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:07.840 See what I wonder about is what is the end 1318 01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:09.039 of the Han. 1319 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:10.039 And Kira story? 1320 01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:16.159 Yeah, yeah, right, because I have to believe that that's 1321 01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:18.680 all done with before he meets Leah. 1322 01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:25.800 Right right, right, definitely, yeah, you know, because I mean 1323 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:27.720 he gets his heart broken at the end of this one, 1324 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:30.640 and that is plenty. Like I can work with that. 1325 01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:32.439 I can run with that and bring that into the 1326 01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:36.399 other movies. But I think this you have to assume 1327 01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:39.359 this was a planned trilogy, that's right, and so they 1328 01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:43.319 must have had an even bigger heartbreak coming somehow exactly. 1329 01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:49.079 But we do get her, you know, whether she wants 1330 01:12:49.119 --> 01:12:51.800 to or not having to leave him at the end, 1331 01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:54.560 and it hurts him, and that's at least we get that, 1332 01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:56.680 so we can take that with us. 1333 01:12:57.279 --> 01:12:57.680 That's right. 1334 01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:06.399 That's funny. Donald Glover the anything I can get you 1335 01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:08.159 and she's like equal rights and he's. 1336 01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:13.079 Just just size and walks off. It's hilarious. 1337 01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:23.439 So we're seeing the kessel run, right, We're going to 1338 01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:24.319 We're going to. 1339 01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:28.880 Yeah, So in that sense, this is a feature length 1340 01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:32.680 version of the beginning of Indie three, right, Like it's 1341 01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:35.600 it's like, what are all the Han solo things that 1342 01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:39.119 we need to cram in? Well, good one crazy noon 1343 01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:45.960 for Han, right right, right, right, He's got to get 1344 01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:48.279 his blaster, he's got to meet Chewi, he's gotta do 1345 01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:50.000 the Kessel run, he's got to get the falcon. I 1346 01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:51.000 think that's basically it. 1347 01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:56.000 Right, yeah, yeah, okay, So now now I have a 1348 01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:58.079 question for you. How do you feel about Lando having 1349 01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:05.880 a possible romantic relate relationship with his joint. 1350 01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:08.880 It's it's a choice, right, It's a choice. 1351 01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:12.199 I I remember at the time trying to like roll 1352 01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:14.720 with it a little bit like okay, but it's just 1353 01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:17.399 like enough for me, or I'm like that seems kind 1354 01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:22.880 of silly. Yeah, I leaning more silly than I'd like. 1355 01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:26.840 I don't really understand it. It doesn't it doesn't strike 1356 01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:29.680 me as necessary, but Zachie, it works. 1357 01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:37.840 Yeah, but you know, I agree, I mean that to me, 1358 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.359 And I don't know, we don't know exactly what Lord 1359 01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:42.319 Miller did and what Roun Howard did, but that feels 1360 01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:44.640 like a Lord and Miller like let's try this and 1361 01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:47.119 that'd be kind of funny, you know, and then why 1362 01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:49.399 not It's I don't know to make you laugh. Well, 1363 01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:52.439 then it works, you know, kind of a thing, whether 1364 01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:55.640 or not it feels like it ultimately makes sense. 1365 01:14:56.720 --> 01:14:59.920 Well I okay, so this gets to to essentially, like 1366 01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:03.159 what led to the their parting of ways, right, is 1367 01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:08.399 that Laton Miller have a more or had I should say, 1368 01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:10.760 because we're speaking in the in the wake of the 1369 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:14.600 stratospheric success of Project Hill Mary, which I think the 1370 01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:18.319 word people would use to describe it is earnest mm hmm. 1371 01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:19.279 Right. 1372 01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:23.199 So, so clearly they have the ability or they have 1373 01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:28.079 since learned to navigate tones more more judiciously. But what 1374 01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:30.880 what came to the fore here is that their their 1375 01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:33.960 process involved a lot of improvising and a lot of 1376 01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:36.319 foregrounding comedy and a lot of oh that's funny, go 1377 01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:37.439 with that type of. 1378 01:15:37.399 --> 01:15:39.520 Thing, or let's try this, why don't we try that, 1379 01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:40.239 Let's try this. 1380 01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:44.960 Yeah, so sort of Judd Apatow school, you know, And 1381 01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:50.560 that that led to Alden Ehrenreich going to the higher 1382 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:52.479 ups at Lucasfilm being like, I don't think this is 1383 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:53.039 working for me. 1384 01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:56.439 Yeah, I feel like I don't remember if this quote 1385 01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:59.079 came from him, but in one of those reports someone 1386 01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:02.760 said at sometimes it felt like con was acting like 1387 01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:08.560 Ace Ventura, like very muggy and goofy and strange, and 1388 01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:10.560 that it was making a lot of people uncomfortable, like 1389 01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:18.479 they were becoming concerned. Fascinating, right, But yeah, so now 1390 01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:20.279 I'm starting to look at like articles I had read. 1391 01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:24.560 Apparently Kazin's pretty diplomatic in his quotes, but according to. 1392 01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:26.319 This is the senior Kasden. 1393 01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:31.920 I'm sorry, yes, Lawrence Kasin, but according to reports, he 1394 01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:35.760 was getting pretty angry at like the screwball tone and 1395 01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:37.840 sort of free wheeling approach they were taking to the 1396 01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:41.439 script because he wanted the film shot the way it 1397 01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:49.479 was written, right, let's see. According to a quote here, 1398 01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:52.119 this is from the Wall Street Journal, unnamed actors from 1399 01:16:52.119 --> 01:16:54.960 the film told the paper that Lord and Miller's approach 1400 01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:59.000 exhausted and frustrated some of the solo set, including experienced 1401 01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:04.600 crew members, who pressured the directors to move faster and 1402 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:07.159 then this right, and then this is well. They would 1403 01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:09.840 shoot dozens of different versions of scenes strength from what 1404 01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:12.479 was in the script. There's another quote then, Lawrence Kasden. 1405 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:19.079 This is him talking about realizing that the vision their 1406 01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:22.239 vision wasn't matching his own. His quote says tone is 1407 01:17:22.239 --> 01:17:24.640 everything to me, That's what movies are made of. But 1408 01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:26.960 this was a very complicated situation. When you go to 1409 01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:28.840 work in the morning on a Star Wars movie, there 1410 01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:30.680 are thousands of people waiting on you, and you have 1411 01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:34.520 to be very decisive and very quick about it. There 1412 01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:37.079 are a million split second decisions to make each day. 1413 01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:40.720 You are committing to a certain tone. Should any of 1414 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:43.479 the producers raise an issue, you're going to have trouble. 1415 01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:48.680 So and then he says nobody was happy about what 1416 01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:55.159 went down. Ultimately it was agony. So and then Emilia 1417 01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:58.720 Clark has a quote here saying that the Lord and 1418 01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:01.399 Miller this is the quot, seemed to be figuring it 1419 01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:07.159 out as they went along. So well, I'd like. 1420 01:18:07.159 --> 01:18:11.479 To believe that their experience on this led them to 1421 01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:14.439 the success they've enjoyed on Projectail Mary. 1422 01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:18.119 I wonder, you know, like like you said, like maybe 1423 01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:21.880 they learned some lessons from it, like how far to push? Yeah, 1424 01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:26.760 you know, and but then again, who's to say in 1425 01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:29.319 the end they might not have found that place. They 1426 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:31.479 just seem like they want to experiment. They want to 1427 01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:36.840 play around and capture a hundred different things and then 1428 01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:40.359 find it in the edit right, right, and so maybe 1429 01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:42.279 they would have been like, oh, we thought that would 1430 01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:44.079 be funny, but when we see the whole, you know, 1431 01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:45.920 all of it put together, it doesn't quite work like 1432 01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:50.319 we thought. Don't know, but Kasin and Lucasfilm wasn't willing 1433 01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:54.399 to take that bet, you know. I think. 1434 01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:56.920 Look, I mean the fact that they shot this movie 1435 01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:59.199 twice in essence as part of the reason why it 1436 01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:01.159 would ended up being such a money pit, you know, 1437 01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:09.560 I think, I mean, look, the original Star Wars films 1438 01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:15.159 were relatively speaking, low budget compared to what we have now, right, 1439 01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.960 And and that worked in the those movies favorite because 1440 01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:22.359 you were you were you know, the sky was not 1441 01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:24.359 the limit in terms of what you could accomplish and 1442 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:28.399 what you could spend, and having limitations to work within 1443 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:29.680 is a good thing, you know. 1444 01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:30.399 Right. 1445 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:32.960 By the way, I wanted to mention real quick Beckett 1446 01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:38.680 wearing you know, the prison guard outfit that Lando wears 1447 01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:43.680 later in Return of the Jedi. I kind of loved 1448 01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:45.800 that Lando just had that sitting in a closet, just 1449 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:47.600 waiting for the right opportunity one day. 1450 01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:50.039 Yeah, that's like his his disguise. 1451 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:52.000 He's like, now's my time. 1452 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:56.760 Yeah, now, if we could revise Return of the Jedi, 1453 01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:58.640 he might be like, oh faithful. 1454 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:03.960 Like like they're they're making the plan and Leah is like, Okay, 1455 01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:06.119 uh Lando, we're gonna need you to and she like 1456 01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:08.239 turns around and he's already like got the mask. 1457 01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:17.199 On, right, right, got it right? But anyway, so apparently 1458 01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:20.199 there was some break when they were moving from one 1459 01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:26.159 location to another, and uh, let's see, a bunch of 1460 01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:29.199 people reviewed the footage and didn't like how it was 1461 01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:33.520 coming together, and so they decided to fire Lord and 1462 01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:38.760 Miller and they had to bring someone in to not 1463 01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:43.039 just finish the movie, but reshoot a major chunk of it. 1464 01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:46.279 And so they got Ron Howard. 1465 01:20:47.840 --> 01:20:53.199 I mean luckily he was available to you know, to 1466 01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:54.239 come aboard. 1467 01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:54.560 Right. 1468 01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:57.239 That by itself is remarkable because he's a pretty busy guy. 1469 01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.840 H And I mean he's he's a he's a journeyman, right, 1470 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:05.600 like we've talked about before, Like he doesn't necessarily have 1471 01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:08.479 a distinct authorial stamp. 1472 01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:10.079 M right. 1473 01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:13.680 I don't know what makes a Ron Howard film, right, 1474 01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:16.199 except that they tend to be watchable. 1475 01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:22.319 Yeah, that's about it, you know. Yeah, So he I 1476 01:21:22.359 --> 01:21:23.960 just I like this, by the way, so now we 1477 01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:28.359 have well they're on Kessel, right, the Spice Minds of Kessel, 1478 01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:32.399 which is we hear referenced in New Hope. 1479 01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:35.560 Only spoken of in hush tones up until now. 1480 01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:38.319 Yeah, so we get to see what that is. And 1481 01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:40.239 I guess spice in the Star Wars universe is kind 1482 01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:40.840 of like a drug. 1483 01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:47.319 Yeah, and it's obviously when Lucas came up with it, 1484 01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:51.880 it was a little bit of a reference to Dune. Yeah, 1485 01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:52.960 but now it's its own thing. 1486 01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:56.800 Yep. So they're busting in to go get some unrefined 1487 01:21:56.840 --> 01:22:01.720 coaxium to replace the ship Meentod they had to drop 1488 01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:07.199 that got destroyed, and you know, l three basically goes 1489 01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:09.920 in there and inspires a robot to rebel, and then 1490 01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:14.720 she basically gets a whole droid rebellion going on. That 1491 01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:16.439 just creates a bunch of casts, that's what we're saying. 1492 01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:19.800 But I love as they're escaping now that Chewie sees 1493 01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:23.640 some other Wookies being used as like slave labor, and 1494 01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:27.159 he just can't let it go. And I was like, no, 1495 01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:28.720 we gotta go, we gotta go, but chew He's like, 1496 01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:31.640 I can't. And I love and I love the Hans 1497 01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:34.159 like okay here and like gives them a weapon, you know, 1498 01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:36.039 like go do what you gotta do. 1499 01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:39.359 Yeah, and he's like, hey, you know, I hope I 1500 01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:42.520 see you around yep, like he's never expecting to see 1501 01:22:42.600 --> 01:22:43.039 him again. 1502 01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:47.399 Yep. I just love that. I mean, this is just 1503 01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:51.600 such a great mcguffin. It's just so understandable. It's cool, 1504 01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:55.399 like we see it in this state where it's it's 1505 01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:58.760 stable and it's bright and it's kind of this cool 1506 01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:01.840 white looking, you know, whitish blue color. But then later 1507 01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:05.119 when it's becoming unstable, it's like looking like inky and 1508 01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:07.920 kind of like, oh, that's not good, right, you know 1509 01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:15.000 it's it's hilarious the Lando Chronicles or the Calarisian Chronicles. Chronicles, 1510 01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:19.960 So anyway, Ron Howard. 1511 01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:22.880 This by the way, real quick, he's referencing a story. 1512 01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:27.159 There was also a series of Lando novels. Oh really yeah, 1513 01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:30.520 so he's he's just like the Shahnu or the Chahroux 1514 01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:32.920 or something like that. That's like one of the Lando 1515 01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:34.279 Calrisian novels. 1516 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:37.680 Oh that's hilarious. I love that. That's great. If you'd 1517 01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:41.000 read those books, you feel really seen. Yeah exactly. Yeah. 1518 01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:43.199 I also like by the way that Lando is wearing, 1519 01:23:43.279 --> 01:23:47.439 Like that's the same shirt or color I should say 1520 01:23:47.439 --> 01:23:49.479 that he wears in Rise of Skywalker. 1521 01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:52.079 Oh, I don't even remember that. 1522 01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:55.600 Yeah, he wears like the mustard colored shirt. 1523 01:23:55.920 --> 01:24:03.119 How funny. Yeah. I just think this is a great 1524 01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:05.039 set piece. And then it's like, you got all that stuff, 1525 01:24:05.039 --> 01:24:07.079 but the difficulty of getting it out. But then because 1526 01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:10.920 they helped the Wookies, then the Wookies, you know, helped 1527 01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:16.079 push the stuff out. I don't know, it's just well done. Chew. 1528 01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:20.880 He still got us back. Mm hmm. So all right, 1529 01:24:21.439 --> 01:24:24.199 going back Ron Howard, he's brought in. This is from 1530 01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:27.720 an interview he did with Vulture dot Com. It's a 1531 01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:29.600 little lengthy, but I'll try to read it. 1532 01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:33.560 Was the interview contemporaneous to the or is it after 1533 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:33.920 the fact? 1534 01:24:34.199 --> 01:24:37.199 After the fact. I think this was a little portion 1535 01:24:37.399 --> 01:24:43.119 of a longer interview about his career. So, uh, this 1536 01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:45.399 is Ron Howard. He said, I like Solo a lot too, 1537 01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:48.600 but that also underperformed and was affected by behind the 1538 01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:51.560 scenes drama. I'd always been curious about Star Wars, and 1539 01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:53.840 Solo landed in my lap when I didn't have another 1540 01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:56.000 movie set to go. My wife, Cheryl and I were 1541 01:24:56.039 --> 01:24:58.359 vacationing in Paris. I went to London to see Hans 1542 01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:01.199 Zimber play at the O two, and I reached out 1543 01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:03.199 to Kathy Kennedy just to say hi, and she said, 1544 01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:05.079 do you want to come and have breakfast? Can you 1545 01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:08.159 imagine like she gets like a little text from Ron Howard, 1546 01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:15.159 She's like, hey, come over. I said, okay. John Kazden 1547 01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:17.800 eventually showed up. They basically said, we've reached a creative 1548 01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:20.319 impast with Lord and Miller. Would you ever consider coming in. 1549 01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:22.560 I looked at some edited footage and I saw what 1550 01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:25.239 was bothering them. There was a studio that liked the 1551 01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:27.720 script the way it was and wanted a Star Wars movie, 1552 01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:30.640 but there was a disconnect early on tonally, and they 1553 01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:33.720 weren't convinced that what Phil and Chris were doing was 1554 01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:37.279 working effectively. I couldn't judge that because I didn't see 1555 01:25:37.359 --> 01:25:40.680 enough of it to know, but they were sure. Once 1556 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:42.560 I said okay, I think I can do this script, 1557 01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:44.800 and I think I understand what you want of this script, 1558 01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:48.640 they said, we'd want to reshoot a lot. I looked 1559 01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:50.399 at the whole movie and then pointed out some things 1560 01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:52.479 that I thought were great, and Phil and Chris were 1561 01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:56.119 incredibly gracious throughout that process. They were just seeing two 1562 01:25:56.199 --> 01:25:58.560 different movies. So I came in, I had a blast, 1563 01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:02.159 and there's nothing personal about that whatsoever. It's still just 1564 01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:07.279 a shame. I can't wait for Phil and Chris's next movie. 1565 01:26:07.399 --> 01:26:10.880 And then the interviewer says, what did George Lucas tell you? 1566 01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:13.279 And Ron Howard says, I talked to him once early 1567 01:26:14.119 --> 01:26:16.439 when I was just thinking about doing it. He wasn't 1568 01:26:16.479 --> 01:26:18.920 active on the films, but he said, just don't forget 1569 01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:24.840 it's for twelve year old boys. So pretty diplomatic, but 1570 01:26:25.399 --> 01:26:29.760 also I think, you know, and interesting glips. 1571 01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:33.640 I just I mean, I mean, honestly, it feels like 1572 01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:36.560 that foul up rests with the producers. 1573 01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:37.279 That's me. 1574 01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:44.199 Because there should have been clarity well before cameras rolled 1575 01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:47.319 about what parameters the directors were playing within. 1576 01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:52.039 Yeah, especially if you are familiar with their style of 1577 01:26:52.119 --> 01:26:53.760 every movie they've made before. 1578 01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:57.680 Right, because because if you're Lord and Miller, you're like, well, 1579 01:26:57.920 --> 01:27:02.479 you hired us because you've seen our reel, you know, 1580 01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:06.760 And so their assumption, unless they're told otherwise, is just 1581 01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:12.600 do your thing, you know, and keep in mind I 1582 01:27:12.600 --> 01:27:15.199 mean this was the same year, you know, a few 1583 01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:18.279 months after this movie came out, was into the Spider Verse, 1584 01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:21.720 all right, which Lord and Miller. 1585 01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:25.319 Did, yep, which also, you know, based on reports, has 1586 01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:27.840 a very free willing. Yeah. 1587 01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:31.039 I mean, actually because this the third one, you know, 1588 01:27:31.239 --> 01:27:33.399 is just it went from oh, it's coming out in 1589 01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:35.239 six months to you'll see it when you see it, 1590 01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:35.840 shut the hell. 1591 01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:46.279 Up exactly yep. But yeah, but you can also kind 1592 01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:49.880 of imagine, especially in this moment where like we said, 1593 01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:52.600 we didn't have the shows. Even the scores at this 1594 01:27:52.640 --> 01:27:54.520 point are still trying to sound like John Williams, and 1595 01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:57.680 I think they've given up on that now at this point. Yeah, 1596 01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:00.000 a lot of things in Star Wars felt sacris saying 1597 01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:03.199 you know, that's right, and so they probably thought, well, like, well, yeah, 1598 01:28:03.239 --> 01:28:05.439 we're going to hire Ryan Johnson, we're gonna hire Lord Miller, 1599 01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:08.079 We're gonna hire these people. But you're gonna make Star Wars. 1600 01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:13.439 You're not making a Lord Miller movie. That's well that's 1601 01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:15.279 not a defense, by the way, but I'm just imagining 1602 01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:16.359 that's what was in their heads. 1603 01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:21.079 No, I get it, you know, I just think that, 1604 01:28:22.920 --> 01:28:26.279 you know the sense of like, oh, We've got all 1605 01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:28.479 the money in the world. Oh yeah, we got to 1606 01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:30.279 reshoot the movie again, no problem, you know. 1607 01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:35.079 Yeah, and they reshot seventy percent. Yeah, that's how much 1608 01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:37.159 Ron Howard shot seventy percent of this movie. 1609 01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:41.720 Yeah, and that's part of that is like necessitated by 1610 01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:45.720 guild rules, so that, you know, determining who gets credit 1611 01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:51.800 for a film. Well, that's that's that's kind of amateur hour, 1612 01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:55.520 you know, like how do you how do you not 1613 01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:57.159 figure this stuff out ahead of time? 1614 01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:03.319 Yeah, you know, I wonder. I mean, I'm a Kathleen 1615 01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:08.920 Kennedy fan because she has produced not only some of 1616 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:12.239 the my favorite films ever, but just some of the 1617 01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:15.319 greatest films of the like last forty plus years. Right, 1618 01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:23.039 And however, she has worked with world class directors. 1619 01:29:22.920 --> 01:29:24.760 Like I was about to say, right, Like right, I 1620 01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:29.359 think you take for granted when like Steven Spielberg is 1621 01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:31.079 who you work with most of the time, you know. 1622 01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:34.039 Like, yes, who have very clear voices and know exactly 1623 01:29:34.079 --> 01:29:38.279 the movie they're making, right yep. 1624 01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:43.439 And when you think about it, I mean, the the 1625 01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:48.319 It's interesting how depending on the film, the role of 1626 01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:52.399 a producer or director can be flipped right, Like when 1627 01:29:52.399 --> 01:29:56.159 it came to the Star Wars prequels, George Lucas was 1628 01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:59.239 the director. Rick McCollum is the producer. But Rick McCallum's 1629 01:29:59.319 --> 01:30:04.119 job was to do whatever George Lucas wanted. But when 1630 01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:09.479 it came time to the sequels, the onus shifted because 1631 01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:12.800 it was the producer's job to really make sure this 1632 01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:15.399 entire thing was coming together, you know, and it was 1633 01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:19.000 the director's job to execute the producer's vision, right right. 1634 01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:24.359 I like how in this sequence when we see the 1635 01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:28.079 starter stories, we hear the the Empire music from a New. 1636 01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:30.560 Hope which never comes back. 1637 01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:36.399 Yeah, well I think we hear it in a rogue one, sure, 1638 01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:40.199 but yeah, you know because once, once Williams came up 1639 01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:44.399 with the with the Imperial March for for for Empire 1640 01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:46.319 strikes back. Well gosh, it was so good that they 1641 01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:47.880 had to adopt it in Universe. 1642 01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:54.680 Yeah that's right, that's right. That is literally the Empire's theme, 1643 01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:57.000 and I love that. Yeah. 1644 01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:03.079 So the Kessel Run, you know, famously, this is like, 1645 01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:08.960 uh it all it's all born of of what I 1646 01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:12.479 have to imagine was just a mistake in the original film, 1647 01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:12.840 which is. 1648 01:31:12.880 --> 01:31:14.960 Why I made. 1649 01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:16.279 The Kessel Run in less than twelve parsex and you say, well, 1650 01:31:16.279 --> 01:31:22.279 a parsec is uh, you know, a distance, not time. 1651 01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:26.439 And so Lucas, I mean I remember him talking about 1652 01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:28.640 it in the commentary for a New Hope. He's like, well, no, 1653 01:31:28.680 --> 01:31:30.399 because you have to plot the course. And so if 1654 01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:33.479 you plot the course and you know, it's all your 1655 01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:35.920 your skill as a pilot is how skillfully can you 1656 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:39.119 plot the course? And I'm like, bro, that's like all bullshit, 1657 01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:40.920 but I give you all the credit in the world. 1658 01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:45.199 That is like impressive bullshit. So so golf clap for 1659 01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:49.399 your bullshit, right right, right, Jedi Master Lucas, you know, 1660 01:31:51.560 --> 01:31:53.920 and and so you know, I don't think he ever 1661 01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:59.479 thought it would have to be you know, actualized. And 1662 01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:01.359 it's all a bunch of Hunker Morker anyway, it doesn't 1663 01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:03.159 make a look of sense. Whatever, It's fine. 1664 01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:09.199 Yeah, this is uh speaking of like the music, kind 1665 01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:12.199 of the greatest hits. M yeah, yeah, we get the 1666 01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:14.079 New Hope music and then when we've got. 1667 01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:16.119 Their dog in the asteroid field later, yeah. 1668 01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:24.199 Exactly, I will say I do yeah real quick. 1669 01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:27.479 Uh, you know when you look at the falcon with 1670 01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:31.640 the with the escape pod in the mandible, yes, right, 1671 01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:34.520 and and I was thinking, I like how the film 1672 01:32:34.600 --> 01:32:39.560 makes clear to say that that itself was a retrofit 1673 01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:44.439 that Lando made. Hmmm, because if you remember, we see 1674 01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:49.600 the millennium falcon in Revenge of the Syth and it looks. 1675 01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:52.920 Like, oh yeah. 1676 01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:53.159 It looks like our falcon. 1677 01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:56.520 You know. Oh that's so funny. 1678 01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:59.840 I didn't think about that specifically, say no, that was 1679 01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:02.640 a change that Lando made, so it happened after that. 1680 01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:07.920 Is really funny. I remember when this movie was coming out, 1681 01:33:08.520 --> 01:33:13.840 they created a life sized falcon that looked like this 1682 01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:17.880 with the pod up front on Hollywood Boulevard for the 1683 01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:20.680 premiere really and so I was working at Puppy Dog 1684 01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:24.199 Pals at the time, and this other writer, Gene, and 1685 01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:26.159 I were like, we got to go see it, and 1686 01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:28.159 so on like a lunch break or something. We got 1687 01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:30.159 in a car, we drove down there and we got 1688 01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:34.920 high up. I have pictures of us. It's it's magical, 1689 01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:38.399 Like you're just standing next to a life size millennium falcon. 1690 01:33:38.479 --> 01:33:39.279 It was amazing. 1691 01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:42.079 That's surreal. 1692 01:33:42.479 --> 01:33:43.319 Yeah, it's very cool. 1693 01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:46.720 That's what That's what there is in galaxies Edge. 1694 01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.239 Now, right, that's true. Yeah, I guess I think I 1695 01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:51.680 especially have those feelings because that was before that, so 1696 01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:53.039 that was like the first time I got to stand 1697 01:33:53.039 --> 01:33:55.000 next to the falcon. But yes, they have a recreated 1698 01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:59.359 Millennium Falcon at Galaxies Edge and it's so. 1699 01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:05.279 Cool, really amazing, so that you've been there, Yes, you 1700 01:34:05.319 --> 01:34:06.520 can't go inside. 1701 01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:11.119 Uh no, it's it's like a big prop. I mean 1702 01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:14.960 it looks very very good. But then you know there's 1703 01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:17.119 a ride. I forgot what the ride's called. But you 1704 01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:19.520 get to pilot the falcon and go on a mission. 1705 01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:22.399 So yeah, so you do get to feel like you're 1706 01:34:22.439 --> 01:34:25.279 walking through its halls at one pass and sit in 1707 01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:30.560 the cockpit. I see, I see. Yeah. 1708 01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:32.359 So yeah, it just going back to what we were 1709 01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:35.399 talking about earlier, the whole Lando L three thing, like 1710 01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:42.880 his emoting over her death struck me as odd because 1711 01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:45.920 I'm like, well, it's a droid. I mean, like, don't 1712 01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:49.000 don't they repair droids all the time in these things? Right? 1713 01:34:50.039 --> 01:34:56.000 Yeah? Well I guess see, yes, And what they end 1714 01:34:56.119 --> 01:34:57.960 up doing is they take her I don't know what 1715 01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:00.079 you call it, her hard drive or something, and they 1716 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:02.439 plug it into the falcon falcon so they can use 1717 01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:04.199 her maps to figure out the quickest way to get 1718 01:35:04.199 --> 01:35:05.000 out of this situation. 1719 01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:07.920 Yeah, so that she was forcibly enslaved for the rest 1720 01:35:07.960 --> 01:35:09.800 of her existence, just like she would have wanted. 1721 01:35:09.880 --> 01:35:12.199 It's great. Yeah, it's like that Black Mirror episode where 1722 01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:15.039 the people's consciousnesses are put into like a hard drive 1723 01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:18.399 somewhere and it's like, are you really alive or you 1724 01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:22.560 just like in some sort of weird hell. I don't know. 1725 01:35:23.319 --> 01:35:25.920 I mean, especially for L three, whose whole thing is 1726 01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:27.159 like droid freedom. 1727 01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:30.800 Yeah, you're right, Oh what this is a terrible story. 1728 01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:32.239 That's like an O Henry story for her. 1729 01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:38.960 That's right. She instigated a robot rebellion only to be 1730 01:35:39.159 --> 01:35:41.000 enslaved for all of existence. 1731 01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:47.359 That is kind of like tragically beautiful in a story sense. 1732 01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:48.880 I mean, I don't love it. That's not the ending 1733 01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:50.720 I want for her, but like kind of works as 1734 01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:56.399 a dark tragedy. But to your point, Lando could be 1735 01:35:56.439 --> 01:35:58.800 putting up a more of a fight about doing that 1736 01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:03.000 because that and she's never coming back. Ah see, Oh 1737 01:36:03.039 --> 01:36:05.680 that's good, right, Like maybe there is the hope that 1738 01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:07.760 it's like okay, okay, I mean she's really messed up, 1739 01:36:07.760 --> 01:36:09.800 but maybe we could repair her. It's like now we 1740 01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:11.159 need her maps. 1741 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:16.359 But really, see this all works out because because you know, 1742 01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:20.560 they're trying to save Lando from himself. Also, right, they're like, 1743 01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:23.159 there's a guy he's sticking his wiener and toasters. We 1744 01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:28.279 know what he's doing. This is this is good for everybody. 1745 01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:30.319 Yeah, we got a nice human girl we can introduce 1746 01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:32.520 you to like maybe you know, like when you're ready, 1747 01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:41.399 when you're ready, Morton, as long as you need. So, okay, 1748 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:44.840 part of me, I've wondered why I'm doing that, that 1749 01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:47.159 Fred Armison thing that Sean always accuses me of. So 1750 01:36:47.279 --> 01:36:48.960 the one of the thing about that, well, let me 1751 01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:54.079 begin with what I'm trying to say is I think 1752 01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:58.479 this movie has been reappraised. Sure, you know, in the 1753 01:36:58.560 --> 01:36:59.600 years after it's come out. 1754 01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:03.800 See I would argue it has been appraised because it 1755 01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:04.640 was not watched. 1756 01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:10.840 Sure, sure, Sure, but people were a little like mixed 1757 01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:12.960 dish kind of positive on it, I think when it 1758 01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:14.359 came out. But I think people now are like, you know, 1759 01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:18.039 this is like a great adventure. Yeah, And I've always 1760 01:37:18.039 --> 01:37:20.600 felt that way, you and I both. But I do 1761 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:25.680 think maybe one of the reasons that this movie hasn't 1762 01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:30.800 stuck as much as it could have is it's a 1763 01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:35.399 good story. But I don't know that it has like 1764 01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:37.840 the punchy set pieces that some of the other Star 1765 01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:41.920 Wars movies have. Yeah, and I would mainly point to 1766 01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:48.800 this one, which is I don't understand what they're doing 1767 01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:49.640 or where they're going. 1768 01:37:50.239 --> 01:37:52.039 No, I would agree, I think this is the least 1769 01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:54.560 interesting of our set pieces. 1770 01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:57.880 Which is terrible because this is the Kessel run, Like 1771 01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:01.520 this should be the set piece, right, I mean, the 1772 01:38:01.520 --> 01:38:03.680 train set piece I've already said I think is amazing 1773 01:38:04.279 --> 01:38:07.159 and well executed, and like everything I was praising about 1774 01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:09.479 that set piece does not apply to this one. I 1775 01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:12.359 don't know where they are. I don't know where they're going. 1776 01:38:12.479 --> 01:38:14.399 I don't even know what it are. They in a 1777 01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:17.039 cave like it seems kind of like that at the 1778 01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:19.720 end when he has to turn the ship on its side. 1779 01:38:20.119 --> 01:38:22.880 But all this is just real what we talk about, 1780 01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:26.039 that sort of cgi gobbledy go. I think it's. 1781 01:38:25.880 --> 01:38:29.119 Meant to foreground Hans skill. 1782 01:38:29.600 --> 01:38:33.520 Which I think is on display. Well here this I 1783 01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:36.800 understand where this whirlpool sort of situation. 1784 01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:41.079 And I gotta say whether it's on display or not, 1785 01:38:41.319 --> 01:38:45.399 I would not know, but for the fact that earlier 1786 01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:48.960 in the movie, right before Rio died, he said you're 1787 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:51.840 one hell of a pilot, and I said, now, I 1788 01:38:51.960 --> 01:38:57.600 know if that had not been said, yeah, I'd be 1789 01:38:57.640 --> 01:39:01.520 totally adrift, right right right. In Star Wars, you have 1790 01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:04.119 to say somebody is one hell of a pilot. Otherwise 1791 01:39:05.439 --> 01:39:06.039 it's just lost. 1792 01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:06.640 How do we know? 1793 01:39:07.359 --> 01:39:11.279 Yeah, you know, it's just like basic language and Star Wars. 1794 01:39:11.840 --> 01:39:15.760 Yeah. But you know, like to me, it's just too much. 1795 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:21.279 It's too much, becomes too much, and and it going 1796 01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:23.119 back to what we were saying earlier, it feels a 1797 01:39:23.159 --> 01:39:25.920 little bit like box checking because I personally I don't 1798 01:39:25.920 --> 01:39:28.319 really care about ever seeing the Kessel run. To me, 1799 01:39:28.439 --> 01:39:32.800 just hearing about it is enough, right, Yeah, So it 1800 01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:34.920 feels like, well, we got what we got to show 1801 01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:36.119 the Kessel run, so we're doing it. 1802 01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:38.119 You know. But even if you call it whatever you 1803 01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:39.680 want to call it, I mean, when they're trying to 1804 01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:44.680 evade the tie fighters, they're literally just in like indistinguishable 1805 01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:49.159 cgi gobbledygook. Yeah, And this is where I think it 1806 01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:52.119 finally comes together, where they're like, there's this whirlpool or 1807 01:39:52.119 --> 01:39:53.880 what do they call it, like a black hole well 1808 01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:59.079 or something right that is pulling them down as something 1809 01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:01.720 is closing ahead them and we just know they need 1810 01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:03.840 to get out of that poll and they can use 1811 01:40:04.319 --> 01:40:08.399 the mcguffin that they've gotten. Like that makes sense. That's 1812 01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:11.600 the only part of this that is understandable to me, 1813 01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:13.680 and that's why the ending is very exciting. But I 1814 01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:16.279 wish that I don't know, maybe they're navigating like a 1815 01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:18.640 really narrow trench and they've you know, he's got to 1816 01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:20.720 be really good at maneuvering or something like something that 1817 01:40:20.760 --> 01:40:22.479 I can see and understand. I think would make that 1818 01:40:22.520 --> 01:40:23.840 whole seconds better better. 1819 01:40:23.920 --> 01:40:26.479 Yeah, I once, once you just have a bunch of 1820 01:40:26.479 --> 01:40:30.399 cgi gleap clop, I tend to start being like, okay, 1821 01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:31.960 let's move to the next thing, you know. 1822 01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:35.479 And it really makes you appreciate the asteroid field sequence 1823 01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:39.720 from like almost forty years earlier, right right when they 1824 01:40:39.720 --> 01:40:41.880 had so much less to work with. But you can 1825 01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:45.159 see it's more right, and you can see the danger, 1826 01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:47.680 and you can see the falcon whoa going right? Whoa 1827 01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:51.039 bank left? You know, and we see the danger with 1828 01:40:51.119 --> 01:40:55.920 the tie fighters colliding into those asteroids, you know, and 1829 01:40:56.520 --> 01:40:58.880 as the falcon swoops past them. So I just it's 1830 01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:02.720 amazing that something forty years older kind of works. 1831 01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:06.760 No, I guess say now, now this is a callback 1832 01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:09.640 slash call forward that I do like, what's that? 1833 01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:11.279 I hate you? 1834 01:41:12.399 --> 01:41:16.119 I know, I know that's great, that's good. 1835 01:41:16.319 --> 01:41:20.720 Yeah, I like it, and I do love seeing the 1836 01:41:20.760 --> 01:41:28.079 ship all beaten up and yeah we got like a 1837 01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:31.560 real love hate thing here now with yah han. 1838 01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:35.199 See, this is where I would have liked to see 1839 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:38.880 more more adventures of these two you know one. 1840 01:41:40.279 --> 01:41:45.880 You know, by the way, did you know how Alden 1841 01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:50.800 Ehrenreich was discovered. No, he was discovered by Steven Spielberg. 1842 01:41:51.880 --> 01:41:56.119 He was wow. Yeah, he was fourteen years old and 1843 01:41:56.680 --> 01:42:03.319 uh he was in like a home movie that he 1844 01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:05.119 and his friends had made that was being shown at 1845 01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:09.359 a bot mitzvah and Spielberg was there and was like, hey, 1846 01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:12.039 who's that guy and got him an agent and launched 1847 01:42:12.079 --> 01:42:15.520 his career. Well look at that, and he has a 1848 01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:18.600 pretty insane start. I mean, his first couple movies are 1849 01:42:18.600 --> 01:42:22.359 with Francis Ford Coppola. He was in tetro and TwixT, 1850 01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:24.640 and then he was in Stoker, and he was in 1851 01:42:24.680 --> 01:42:27.279 Blue Jasmine Woody Allen movie before you know when people 1852 01:42:27.319 --> 01:42:30.319 are still watching them, and he's in the Coen Brothers 1853 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:34.880 Hail Caesar, he's in Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer, He's in Weapons. 1854 01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:39.760 He has had a pretty solid post solo career. 1855 01:42:40.520 --> 01:42:43.079 Yeah, he's not someone I feel like he's really broken through, 1856 01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:47.039 but he's been in a lot of it. Impressive. 1857 01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:50.640 You're working like again, he got Oppenheimer on your resume. 1858 01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:51.840 You're doing okay, you know what I mean? 1859 01:42:52.239 --> 01:42:54.680 Yeah, yeah, I mean, especially with Nolan, who seems to 1860 01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:56.800 have a company that he works with, you got to 1861 01:42:56.800 --> 01:42:58.119 feel like when he brings you in, you're like. 1862 01:42:58.119 --> 01:43:02.560 Oh, yes, yeah, maybe maybe he'll be one of the 1863 01:43:03.159 --> 01:43:05.560 sirens in the Odyssey. 1864 01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:05.960 I don't know. 1865 01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:12.319 Uh. He Also he was in iron Heart, uh, the 1866 01:43:12.319 --> 01:43:17.720 the Marvel series, Okay, and he's quite good. He plays 1867 01:43:18.199 --> 01:43:22.119 the son of Obadiah Stain Ah. 1868 01:43:22.159 --> 01:43:24.680 Okay, Yeah, and he was good in it. 1869 01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:26.800 That show was good. It didn't get talked about very much, 1870 01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:27.279 but it was good. 1871 01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:36.560 I kind of remember you saying that, Yeah, yeah, here 1872 01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:37.439 we go desert. 1873 01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:41.159 There's something to be said for for actual locations, you know. 1874 01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:44.000 Yeah, but it's there's something about Star Wars and sand 1875 01:43:44.039 --> 01:43:45.720 I don't know what it is, but it just feels right. 1876 01:43:46.239 --> 01:43:46.960 It feels right. 1877 01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:55.600 Yeah, I think that, like you said, you know, the plan. 1878 01:43:55.960 --> 01:43:58.640 The whole p had been maybe not the plan to 1879 01:43:59.000 --> 01:44:05.079 be like to have this film stake out a lane 1880 01:44:05.479 --> 01:44:11.359 for more dips back into you know, character origins and stuff, 1881 01:44:11.359 --> 01:44:14.720 and it really sucks that this one underperforming just made 1882 01:44:14.720 --> 01:44:18.640 them COI bos the whole thing because you know, you 1883 01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:21.560 and I we talked about this before. Obi wan Kenobi 1884 01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:22.000 should have. 1885 01:44:21.920 --> 01:44:23.399 Been a movie. 1886 01:44:23.640 --> 01:44:25.840 Yes, definitely, it would have been better for it, you know, 1887 01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:32.880 h so and fits nest here. You know, up to 1888 01:44:32.920 --> 01:44:36.279 this point we're thinking of as a rival gang or 1889 01:44:36.279 --> 01:44:36.760 what have you. 1890 01:44:36.840 --> 01:44:37.359 But it's the. 1891 01:44:39.479 --> 01:44:46.560 Progenitors of the Rebellion, which I like a lot. I 1892 01:44:46.560 --> 01:44:49.560 think it's smart, you know, h it's very funny. He's 1893 01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:52.920 like that that that feels like a Lord and Miller moment, 1894 01:44:52.960 --> 01:44:55.680 doesn't it. Where he's definitely I'll give him a signal 1895 01:44:55.680 --> 01:44:57.520 a com and then right then the falcon takes off. 1896 01:44:57.800 --> 01:45:00.399 Yeah, he's like the thirty armed men just ready to 1897 01:45:00.399 --> 01:45:03.680 come out of my order and then it takes off. 1898 01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.319 But that also feels very hon it does. 1899 01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:08.279 Yeah, you know what I mean. 1900 01:45:08.039 --> 01:45:10.520 I mean, that's very cartoon like, isn't it. By the way, 1901 01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:14.119 him stepping away from the line and then having to 1902 01:45:14.199 --> 01:45:16.039 slowly step back like, sorry. 1903 01:45:15.760 --> 01:45:18.039 Yeah, I love that. 1904 01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:25.039 That's very funny. Yeah, but yeah, I think this is 1905 01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:29.439 a good twist and it goes a long way and 1906 01:45:29.520 --> 01:45:34.000 helping us understand Hans's character. You know, Kira says it like, 1907 01:45:34.039 --> 01:45:35.880 you know, I know something about you that. 1908 01:45:35.920 --> 01:45:38.960 Wait a minute, an fis nest is a look a 1909 01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:48.399 cook a girl. That's the look on Hans's face right there. Now, 1910 01:45:48.399 --> 01:45:52.119 this is Aaron Kellyman playing basically the same role she 1911 01:45:52.159 --> 01:45:54.520 would play like two years later in The Falcon and 1912 01:45:54.520 --> 01:45:59.000 the Winter Soldier. She was leader of the flag smashers. 1913 01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:04.960 I forget got all about that. Yeah, yeah, that's right. 1914 01:46:06.239 --> 01:46:08.680 It's just basically that that's her deal. She's just like 1915 01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:12.199 the the misunderstood revolutionary. 1916 01:46:12.399 --> 01:46:14.960 You know that's so interesting. 1917 01:46:15.039 --> 01:46:18.199 Yeah, she's got she's got a laying after herself. 1918 01:46:18.479 --> 01:46:23.439 Yeah yeah, this does look good though. You can see 1919 01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:24.840 real wind blowing things. 1920 01:46:26.920 --> 01:46:29.960 I mean that's what was so so desperately out of 1921 01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:32.880 whack in the Obi Wan Kenobi Show. Speaking of which, right, 1922 01:46:32.920 --> 01:46:35.479 like that was the first time where I was like, guys, 1923 01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:36.840 knock it off with the volume. 1924 01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:41.680 Holy shit. Yeah that movie looks very cheap that same 1925 01:46:41.720 --> 01:46:43.800 movie series yeah, series, yeah. 1926 01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:50.680 Yeah, yeah, like yeah, low budget and stretched out, which 1927 01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:54.119 is weird. I'm like talking past myself here because I'm like, 1928 01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:57.000 you know, low budget can be good sometimes, and I 1929 01:46:57.039 --> 01:47:00.840 think there there's like a middle ground between you know, 1930 01:47:01.279 --> 01:47:05.079 shoot everything on a sound stage and have a bunch 1931 01:47:05.159 --> 01:47:07.359 have a couple of crates in front of the camera, 1932 01:47:07.680 --> 01:47:11.199 you know, and infinity dollars. I feel like there's like 1933 01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:12.000 a middle ground. 1934 01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:15.720 Yeah, it's all about the blend, that's right. Blend. 1935 01:47:17.000 --> 01:47:19.000 So I'd like to believe that Warwick Davis is playing 1936 01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:21.680 the same character he was in Phantom Menace. 1937 01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:25.119 I read that he was, but I can't confirm that. 1938 01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:26.239 But I saw that somewhere. 1939 01:47:26.520 --> 01:47:28.760 You know, what if that's my head? Can I think 1940 01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:32.479 timeline wise that works right because Phantom Menace is like 1941 01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:36.720 twenty years before this, right, Like what is it like 1942 01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:40.000 Phantom Menace would be? When would that be? 1943 01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:40.439 Actually? 1944 01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:45.439 This is this is this is see I this is 1945 01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:49.119 where like the Star Wars nerds listening are like, goddamn it, 1946 01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:55.880 Mbby or whatever the hell. I think it's about twenty 1947 01:47:55.960 --> 01:48:00.000 years after Phantom Menace. I think that checks out right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1948 01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:03.840 just go with it, Like I know this is about 1949 01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:08.119 ten years before Star Wars right, because so that that 1950 01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:10.399 that gave him about ten years worth of story to 1951 01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:12.640 play with before we're supposed to meet him in most 1952 01:48:12.840 --> 01:48:14.239 icley right right. 1953 01:48:16.119 --> 01:48:16.319 See. 1954 01:48:16.359 --> 01:48:18.239 I think to your point that you were making about 1955 01:48:18.359 --> 01:48:20.760 about Woody Harrelson, I think I just think of Woody 1956 01:48:20.800 --> 01:48:24.000 Harrelson as a great actor, you know, and he does 1957 01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:26.960 have a persona, but he also I mean, like he 1958 01:48:27.079 --> 01:48:28.760 was in the Planet of Apes movie like a year 1959 01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:34.760 before this, remember, and he was a great villain, you know. Yeah, 1960 01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:36.600 And I mean I hope I'm being clear, Like he 1961 01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:41.039 does work for me, I do Harrelson. Just admit it, 1962 01:48:42.520 --> 01:48:46.439 Just admit it. You've never liked him, You've always resented 1963 01:48:46.479 --> 01:48:48.720 his success. 1964 01:48:48.720 --> 01:48:52.359 That's how deep it goes. Yeah, Like I personally hate 1965 01:48:53.039 --> 01:49:00.279 it's not his performances, like I no, but I I 1966 01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:02.640 don't know. Sometimes it's hard for me to lose myself 1967 01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:06.359 in it occasionally, but he is doing a very good job. 1968 01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:07.600 So that's just the. 1969 01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:13.039 Yeah, I think I think he is the exact actor 1970 01:49:13.079 --> 01:49:16.800 you want to play a character like Beckett, where he's 1971 01:49:17.159 --> 01:49:20.760 just likable enough where you like, maybe he's like one 1972 01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:22.279 of our scoundrels, right. 1973 01:49:22.920 --> 01:49:27.479 Totally, And even if he does fire at you with 1974 01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:29.920 his weapon at some point and misses, and he goes, 1975 01:49:30.640 --> 01:49:32.840 can you know, can't blame a guy for trying, You're 1976 01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:35.880 like you, you know what I mean, He's one of 1977 01:49:35.880 --> 01:49:37.399 those people that can kind of pull that off. 1978 01:49:38.239 --> 01:49:39.159 That's a short list. 1979 01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:47.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe maybe you gotta with Loody Harrelson. 1980 01:49:47.920 --> 01:49:51.560 I remember when I when I talked to Stephen Weber 1981 01:49:51.640 --> 01:49:54.640 on the Nostav's Theater show like many many moons ago, 1982 01:49:55.479 --> 01:49:57.119 and you know, we were talking about when he was 1983 01:49:57.159 --> 01:50:00.880 on Wings and how Thomas Hayden Church played like the 1984 01:50:01.079 --> 01:50:04.760 lovable dufus on that show, right, And I talked to 1985 01:50:04.800 --> 01:50:09.079 him about how it's funny how like to Thomas Aden 1986 01:50:09.159 --> 01:50:11.720 Church on Wings and Woody Harrelson on Cheers, we're both 1987 01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:15.199 kind of doing that, right, and both of these guys 1988 01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:17.000 are like two of our great actors. 1989 01:50:17.039 --> 01:50:19.960 Now. Yeah, yeah, it's just weird how that works, you know. 1990 01:50:21.279 --> 01:50:23.760 I do remember it was strange when Woody Harrelson did 1991 01:50:24.640 --> 01:50:29.600 Natural Born Killers, because up to that, I mean, it 1992 01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:31.600 was like White Men Can't Jump, where he's still playing 1993 01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:35.119 kind of a charming guy with a drawl and doc 1994 01:50:35.239 --> 01:50:38.640 Hollywood charming guy or a drawl, you know, but then 1995 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:43.079 playing this sociopath in that movie was like, what, it doesn't. 1996 01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:47.199 Compete that that helped, you know, turn the ship of 1997 01:50:47.239 --> 01:50:51.640 his career to some extent, totally totally just up for him. 1998 01:50:52.159 --> 01:50:59.399 Yeah, yeah, cocky is and just some more self assured 1999 01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:02.520 and vocal He vocalizes so much, and I love that. 2000 01:51:02.760 --> 01:51:04.640 We know that Han won't be like that later. 2001 01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:17.520 Yeah, youthful, youth is wasted on the young Abraham Lincoln 2002 01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:21.359 said that, did he really say that? No, no, no, sorry, 2003 01:51:21.359 --> 01:51:23.279 I was trying to make a bad joke. And then 2004 01:51:23.319 --> 01:51:30.119 I picked someone that sounded too credible. Sorry about that. 2005 01:51:29.720 --> 01:51:32.279 That does sound like something he would say, right, I know, 2006 01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:34.640 I picked a man who was full of good quotes, 2007 01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:37.520 like an idiot or Mark Twain might have been in 2008 01:51:37.560 --> 01:51:39.760 the same vein where it's like Mark Twain, I could see, 2009 01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:41.279 yeah like Twain Lincoln. 2010 01:51:41.479 --> 01:51:49.760 Yeah, yeah, see, I just love this friendly, ominous energy 2011 01:51:49.800 --> 01:51:50.640 that Dryden gives. 2012 01:51:51.039 --> 01:51:53.800 That's what's great, right, Like the whole thing where he's like, oh, 2013 01:51:53.960 --> 01:51:56.239 just open it up. You're like, oh shit, I don't 2014 01:51:56.279 --> 01:51:58.479 know what he's doing, but he's doing something. Uh huh, 2015 01:51:59.159 --> 01:52:00.960 I just bring it here, the show me what I got, 2016 01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:04.119 you know, Like it's yeah, Paul bettney Man. He's such 2017 01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:04.680 a good actor. 2018 01:52:05.000 --> 01:52:10.600 Yes, very effortless. And this whole triangle situation is very 2019 01:52:10.600 --> 01:52:15.239 interesting here because we've seen Kira genuinely you know, on 2020 01:52:15.439 --> 01:52:18.520 Han's side. Yeah, and we know that she is also 2021 01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:23.359 loyal to Dryden. This is just a lot of complicated 2022 01:52:23.399 --> 01:52:26.960 dynamics happening here and double crossing, and it's I just 2023 01:52:27.039 --> 01:52:27.840 this is really rich. 2024 01:52:28.159 --> 01:52:36.039 I think that what becomes clear is that Kira when 2025 01:52:36.359 --> 01:52:40.720 when she leaves at the end, that's a sacrifice that 2026 01:52:40.760 --> 01:52:45.560 she's making, yes, not a betrayal. Yeah, right, Like I 2027 01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:48.760 think that's important. And that's what I mean when I 2028 01:52:48.800 --> 01:52:52.359 say I would have liked to see the culmination of 2029 01:52:52.439 --> 01:52:58.279 that storyline. You know, it's a shame, you. 2030 01:52:58.239 --> 01:53:06.600 Know, I agree. Also feels very hard to bring this 2031 01:53:06.640 --> 01:53:10.279 stuff in. He's like Crates with the goods inside and 2032 01:53:10.279 --> 01:53:12.000 then the bad guy. He'd be like show me, and 2033 01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:17.079 he's like show you. You want to see him? Sure, 2034 01:53:17.319 --> 01:53:20.079 But then it also feels still feels very hard for 2035 01:53:20.159 --> 01:53:21.960 him to lift the lid so the camera can see 2036 01:53:21.960 --> 01:53:25.479 he's got a gun hidden in the lid. Yep, he's 2037 01:53:25.520 --> 01:53:26.119 thinking ahead. 2038 01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:31.760 I remember when Alden Aroon Reich was out You know, 2039 01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:34.239 doing the making the press rounds for this and you know, 2040 01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:39.239 Ron Howard brought in Harrison Ford like behind him to 2041 01:53:39.279 --> 01:53:43.760 surprise him during one of these junkets, and it was 2042 01:53:43.840 --> 01:53:47.920 just you know, they had obviously spoken before, but having 2043 01:53:47.920 --> 01:53:51.279 Harrison Ford right there just being like, I'm so I 2044 01:53:51.319 --> 01:53:53.119 loved it so much. I'm so proud of what he 2045 01:53:53.159 --> 01:53:55.720 did and the choices he made. Like can you imagine 2046 01:53:56.039 --> 01:54:00.079 being this young actor and here's Harrison Ford telling you 2047 01:54:00.079 --> 01:54:03.800 you did you did great with my character? No, Like, 2048 01:54:03.840 --> 01:54:06.159 what is that? You know what I mean? Like, like 2049 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:08.600 you can see the footage of it, and you can 2050 01:54:08.680 --> 01:54:12.960 just see sort of all a whole a whole panoply 2051 01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:15.520 of emotions going over Aaron Reich's face. 2052 01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:18.479 You know, that's great. I just thought that was really cool. 2053 01:54:24.039 --> 01:54:28.720 Double crosses, double crosses, and then and then the double 2054 01:54:28.760 --> 01:54:30.520 crosses of the double crosses. 2055 01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:36.720 Exactly by the way, just kind of looking at my 2056 01:54:36.720 --> 01:54:39.520 notes again. Uh, we haven't talked about the fact that 2057 01:54:39.600 --> 01:54:43.359 John Williams wrote a theme for Han Solo. Finally, after 2058 01:54:43.399 --> 01:54:44.920 all these years for this movie. 2059 01:54:45.479 --> 01:54:49.840 I was thinking about how for for Solo and for 2060 01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:53.520 Obi and Kenobi he came back and wrote themes for 2061 01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:58.520 these characters and and then you hear them and you're like, well, 2062 01:54:58.560 --> 01:54:59.960 of course that's the Han solo thing. 2063 01:55:00.079 --> 01:55:00.960 Mm hm oh yeah. 2064 01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:02.479 Oh and I asked the Obi wan kenobe theme. It's 2065 01:55:02.479 --> 01:55:04.279 always been the obi wan kenobi theme, you know. 2066 01:55:04.359 --> 01:55:04.600 Yep. 2067 01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:08.239 Uh, that's just that's the master still at work, you. 2068 01:55:08.199 --> 01:55:13.279 Know, yep. Yeah. And I guess Ron Howard had worked 2069 01:55:13.319 --> 01:55:16.880 with him once before on Far and Away. Ah. Yes, 2070 01:55:17.960 --> 01:55:19.239 kind of a forgotten movie. 2071 01:55:19.640 --> 01:55:21.680 I was gonna say, I had forgot about that movie. 2072 01:55:21.840 --> 01:55:23.720 I remember liking it, but I haven't seen it since 2073 01:55:23.760 --> 01:55:24.319 the nineties. 2074 01:55:27.119 --> 01:55:30.800 That's the I mean, Unfortunately, I feel like that's like 2075 01:55:30.880 --> 01:55:33.319 many Ron Howard movies where you're like, oh, that was good. 2076 01:55:33.359 --> 01:55:34.239 I haven't seen it, you. 2077 01:55:34.159 --> 01:55:37.920 Know yeaheah, sort of like backdraft and that's good. It's 2078 01:55:37.920 --> 01:55:41.640 been a while. The paper, the paper, Yeah, yeah, that's 2079 01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:44.399 a good one. Paul thirteen, which I hadn't seen in 2080 01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:46.439 a while till we did the commentary and then we 2081 01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:48.159 rewatch it and I'm like, this is amazing. 2082 01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:50.920 Ron Ron Howard's best, I would say, is. 2083 01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:51.520 A Paul thirteen. 2084 01:55:51.560 --> 01:55:56.479 That's me agreed, you know, Yeah, now that I think 2085 01:55:56.520 --> 01:56:00.520 of it. He worked with Paul Bettany on diving code, 2086 01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:05.000 which is probably how that you know, that's how he 2087 01:56:05.039 --> 01:56:06.079 got into the Rolodex. 2088 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:08.600 Yeah, or was it a Beautiful Mind? Was that the 2089 01:56:08.600 --> 01:56:09.239 first one. 2090 01:56:11.039 --> 01:56:14.840 Was da Vinci code after Beautiful Mind? Oh it was, yeah, 2091 01:56:14.880 --> 01:56:16.640 Beautiful Mind was like two thousand. 2092 01:56:16.359 --> 01:56:18.319 Right, yeah, sometimes I forgot. 2093 01:56:18.359 --> 01:56:19.560 I forgot he's in Beautiful Mind. 2094 01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:21.560 Another one where I'm like, I think that one's pretty good. 2095 01:56:21.600 --> 01:56:22.920 I haven't seen it in two thousand. 2096 01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:26.000 He's the imaginary friend, right right. 2097 01:56:28.960 --> 01:56:31.199 I wonder if that's where Bettany met Jonnifer Connley. 2098 01:56:31.439 --> 01:56:33.039 I was just gonna. I was like, that must be 2099 01:56:33.079 --> 01:56:37.319 where they met. Yeah, yeah, that bastard he wins at life. 2100 01:56:38.520 --> 01:56:44.720 Yeah, I know, right, jeez. Yeah, this these. 2101 01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:46.720 Creature is kind of what you're talking about. You can 2102 01:56:46.760 --> 01:56:51.079 tell that it's it's prosthetic, so maybe some digital enhancement 2103 01:56:51.119 --> 01:56:52.800 on it. But it looks great. 2104 01:56:53.119 --> 01:56:53.439 M hm. 2105 01:56:54.520 --> 01:56:56.439 The old ways still work just fine. 2106 01:56:56.760 --> 01:57:05.840 Mm hm. H Han Han had a plan taken out 2107 01:57:05.880 --> 01:57:09.319 Dryden's guys. 2108 01:57:10.119 --> 01:57:12.680 See, I think you know this is this is a 2109 01:57:12.680 --> 01:57:16.000 conversation you and I have had before about how Han 2110 01:57:16.159 --> 01:57:20.079 Solo has become such the archetype of like the rogue 2111 01:57:20.079 --> 01:57:23.479 with the heart of gold, right, and it you know 2112 01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:26.600 so many characters since you're like, oh, it's like a 2113 01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:30.720 Han Solo type, right, and it's like, well, there had 2114 01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:35.359 to have been one before Hans Solo, huh, But I 2115 01:57:35.399 --> 01:57:36.960 can't think of one on the top of my head, 2116 01:57:37.039 --> 01:57:37.239 you know. 2117 01:57:39.239 --> 01:57:41.680 I know. It could be that phenomenon that we talk 2118 01:57:41.760 --> 01:57:44.359 about where the stuff we grew up with somehow has 2119 01:57:44.439 --> 01:57:47.960 never gone away, right, just keeps being remade or sequels 2120 01:57:47.960 --> 01:57:53.520 are made for them, whereas the influences have not you know, 2121 01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:59.319 carried forwards for something. Yeah, so yeah, I mean there's 2122 01:57:59.479 --> 01:58:01.920 some careacter that Lucas had in mind. I'm sure he 2123 01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:04.880 was inspired by, right, something he watched when he was 2124 01:58:04.880 --> 01:58:06.520 a kid, but I'm not sure who that character is. 2125 01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:14.000 Could be someone he knows. 2126 01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:18.319 See, I always thought he had a ham salad and 2127 01:58:18.359 --> 01:58:23.039 he was like ham salad, Ham salad, and then and 2128 01:58:23.079 --> 01:58:23.920 then you know, that's how. 2129 01:58:23.840 --> 01:58:24.279 We got. 2130 01:58:28.520 --> 01:58:32.560 That's that's my Bohemian Rhapsody style biopic movie of yeah. 2131 01:58:32.680 --> 01:58:36.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well that did actually happen a 2132 01:58:36.079 --> 01:58:37.479 lot to him, right, But that's where R two D 2133 01:58:37.520 --> 01:58:38.560 two came from. 2134 01:58:39.479 --> 01:58:40.279 Yes, that's right. 2135 01:58:40.439 --> 01:58:44.760 Yeah, someone talking about a reel of sound like it 2136 01:58:44.840 --> 01:58:47.720 was real too. Dialogue too he's like, say that you 2137 01:58:48.239 --> 01:58:50.560 r two D two. Yeah. And then in the movie 2138 01:58:50.640 --> 01:58:54.399 TX eleven thirty eight, an actor had a friend whose 2139 01:58:54.479 --> 01:58:58.479 last name was Wookie, and so he like improvised a 2140 01:58:58.520 --> 01:58:59.760 line where he's like, I think it ran over a 2141 01:59:00.119 --> 01:59:03.560 key or something like that, and Lucas was like, say 2142 01:59:03.560 --> 01:59:06.399 that again. And so you know, I mean there's a 2143 01:59:06.439 --> 01:59:09.239 lot of the George Lucas in Love parody you know 2144 01:59:09.319 --> 01:59:11.680 that happened in like ninety nine, right, was like a 2145 01:59:11.920 --> 01:59:13.920 riff on Shakespeare in Love where he just all these 2146 01:59:13.960 --> 01:59:17.000 things happening around him at usc Inspire, the Star Wars films. 2147 01:59:17.039 --> 01:59:20.119 It's kind of true. So I love it. 2148 01:59:20.479 --> 01:59:23.800 Ham salads, that's that's my origin story. 2149 01:59:24.079 --> 01:59:30.520 Yeah, I don't know, but anyway, yeah, all this this 2150 01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:34.720 dynamic here and now here's got Han pinned and but 2151 01:59:34.800 --> 01:59:37.600 she's gonna eventually take out. Like I just all this 2152 01:59:37.760 --> 01:59:42.039 just works for me. Well, I love that. 2153 01:59:42.199 --> 01:59:44.720 Like you look at Emilia Clark's face right there, and 2154 01:59:44.760 --> 01:59:49.479 she looks sinister, right, like she might kill him that right, 2155 01:59:49.600 --> 01:59:52.640 and yet she's just able to navigate both lanes so 2156 01:59:52.680 --> 01:59:55.079 effectively because when she smiles, I mean, you just feel 2157 01:59:55.119 --> 02:00:00.439 yourself melting, you know. I also think. I mean, Paul 2158 02:00:00.439 --> 02:00:05.680 Bettney is you know, relatively wiry, you know, yeah, and 2159 02:00:05.760 --> 02:00:08.600 yet he's able to come off as like physically intimidating. 2160 02:00:08.680 --> 02:00:10.399 You know. Yeah. 2161 02:00:10.680 --> 02:00:12.920 This, by the way, you should mention this. This martial art. 2162 02:00:12.960 --> 02:00:19.359 It's Terraskasi, which which I remember from the video game 2163 02:00:19.920 --> 02:00:24.960 Masters of Tarras Cossi. Oh interesting, which is like Star 2164 02:00:25.000 --> 02:00:25.960 Wars Street Fighter. 2165 02:00:26.800 --> 02:00:28.239 Oh funny. When was that from? 2166 02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:32.079 Oh gosh, late nineties. I want to say mid nineties. 2167 02:00:33.079 --> 02:00:36.640 It's like it has that blockie like you remember Virtue 2168 02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:40.199 a Fighter, Yes, where it's like, you know, it doesn't 2169 02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:42.960 look like it's not it's not Street Fighter, Immortal Kombat. 2170 02:00:43.000 --> 02:00:43.880 It's kind of blocky. 2171 02:00:44.199 --> 02:00:46.119 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was like that. 2172 02:00:46.399 --> 02:00:48.199 But it's like, oh, you want to have like Boba 2173 02:00:48.239 --> 02:00:50.920 Fett and Han Sol will fight each other martial arts styles, 2174 02:00:51.199 --> 02:00:52.399 and so that was Star Wars. 2175 02:00:53.880 --> 02:00:58.880 That's so funny. There's just so much to draw from, Yeah, 2176 02:00:59.000 --> 02:01:01.000 all these movies, right, And I talked about this when 2177 02:01:01.000 --> 02:01:03.840 I worked on Young Jedi. You know, we had a 2178 02:01:03.840 --> 02:01:09.960 low person in every you know, story break who's just 2179 02:01:10.800 --> 02:01:13.239 their job was to know everything about Star Wars. There's 2180 02:01:13.279 --> 02:01:14.680 just so much to know. So if you are going 2181 02:01:14.720 --> 02:01:16.479 to go to a certain sort of planet or if 2182 02:01:16.520 --> 02:01:19.359 you want a certain well this person is a great fighter. 2183 02:01:19.439 --> 02:01:21.279 You know, they could be like, oh, well there's a 2184 02:01:21.319 --> 02:01:24.279 special sort of version of martial arts that they would 2185 02:01:24.319 --> 02:01:27.199 then be trained in. You should call it the right thing, 2186 02:01:27.760 --> 02:01:29.600 you know, kind of nice. Yeah, it's very cool. 2187 02:01:32.079 --> 02:01:35.159 I mean in the nineties, I'm going to say, like 2188 02:01:37.079 --> 02:01:43.479 you know pre yeah, like before the prequels and everything 2189 02:01:43.520 --> 02:01:47.000 started getting standardized, you had this It was like a 2190 02:01:47.119 --> 02:01:51.520 you know, when did Air did the Empire come out? 2191 02:01:51.560 --> 02:01:53.399 That was like ninety one, I think, right, So, okay, 2192 02:01:53.479 --> 02:01:55.520 we had like an eight year run where Star Wars 2193 02:01:55.600 --> 02:01:59.399 suddenly came back and they were just doing all kinds 2194 02:01:59.439 --> 02:02:02.680 of stuff mm hmm. And that was a lot of fun, 2195 02:02:02.760 --> 02:02:04.119 you know, because it was you know, they had the 2196 02:02:04.119 --> 02:02:07.159 Shadows of the Empire all of that. They had the 2197 02:02:07.239 --> 02:02:09.479 video game and everything, and you know, they had they 2198 02:02:09.520 --> 02:02:14.760 had the Super Star Wars and super impressed for the ans, right, 2199 02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:18.319 and they were stupid, like you had Luke running through 2200 02:02:18.399 --> 02:02:21.079 the deserts a tattoo and shooting scorpions and stuff. 2201 02:02:21.239 --> 02:02:23.760 I'm so dumb, but I loved it, right, Like it 2202 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:26.159 was the closest thing to feeling like the movies, playing 2203 02:02:26.159 --> 02:02:26.680 the movies. 2204 02:02:26.600 --> 02:02:29.119 That's what I'm saying, right, It was like that was 2205 02:02:29.399 --> 02:02:31.520 that was a fun era where it was just kind 2206 02:02:31.560 --> 02:02:35.000 of just putting it all out there, you know. So 2207 02:02:35.159 --> 02:02:39.520 this this uh stuff with Darth Maul, Honestly, they they've 2208 02:02:39.640 --> 02:02:42.359 largely left it, left it to wither on the vine, 2209 02:02:44.680 --> 02:02:47.840 with the exception of the Mall Shadow Lord series. Now 2210 02:02:48.439 --> 02:02:50.600 mm hmmm, so it took them a little while to 2211 02:02:50.640 --> 02:02:56.279 circle back to it. But uh, it's a shame because 2212 02:02:56.359 --> 02:02:59.720 this part, this this mall part, is the only thing 2213 02:02:59.800 --> 02:03:04.000 that seems to be gesturing towards a cliffhanger in this movie, 2214 02:03:05.359 --> 02:03:07.239 you know what I mean, Like everything else, you can 2215 02:03:07.319 --> 02:03:09.439 just sort of be like, well, we don't need to 2216 02:03:09.560 --> 02:03:12.199 see another one because you know, Han and Chewie have 2217 02:03:12.279 --> 02:03:15.640 the falcon and off they go, you know. But this here, 2218 02:03:15.720 --> 02:03:18.399 it's like, well, this demands some kind of follow up, 2219 02:03:18.479 --> 02:03:22.039 you know. Yeah, it was nice that they got ray 2220 02:03:22.159 --> 02:03:29.000 Park back. Yes for him, that was a solid nineteen 2221 02:03:29.119 --> 02:03:31.279 year wait to reprise the role. 2222 02:03:31.720 --> 02:03:36.000 Right. It is kind of funny how just in case 2223 02:03:36.079 --> 02:03:38.079 you're not entirely sure who that is, he has to 2224 02:03:38.239 --> 02:03:40.600 like have his double bladed. 2225 02:03:42.279 --> 02:03:44.640 Although what's interesting is they made sure to pay attention 2226 02:03:44.720 --> 02:03:48.840 to Cannon because that's the that's the double bladed lightsaber 2227 02:03:48.920 --> 02:03:53.840 that he has in Clone Wars and Rebels and not 2228 02:03:54.319 --> 02:03:55.560 in the original movie. 2229 02:03:56.039 --> 02:03:58.880 Yeah. Yeah, good catch. But you know what I mean 2230 02:03:59.039 --> 02:04:00.840 just sort of like you got it, like this is 2231 02:04:00.920 --> 02:04:03.199 my thing that you know, it's me. I'm going to 2232 02:04:03.239 --> 02:04:06.399 do it during my phone call right now. 2233 02:04:06.479 --> 02:04:09.159 What's interesting is that that sequence that we saw with 2234 02:04:09.279 --> 02:04:12.319 Maul originally was shot with Peter saraph Inowitz doing the 2235 02:04:12.439 --> 02:04:15.760 voice or not shot. It was like he had originally 2236 02:04:15.800 --> 02:04:18.359 recorded the voice. He did the voice in episode one, 2237 02:04:19.399 --> 02:04:22.399 but it was replaced by Sam Whitwaer, who does the 2238 02:04:22.520 --> 02:04:23.960 voice in all the animated shows. 2239 02:04:24.479 --> 02:04:27.760 Oh okay, why is that? I guess they just. 2240 02:04:27.800 --> 02:04:30.840 Figured they want to be consistent with the animation instead 2241 02:04:30.880 --> 02:04:32.960 of like that's an interesting choice, is my point? Right? 2242 02:04:33.079 --> 02:04:37.159 Like I feel bad for sarah Inowitz because I know 2243 02:04:37.239 --> 02:04:39.239 he was kind of upset about that. 2244 02:04:39.600 --> 02:04:42.079 Oh really yeah, well maybe yeah, if that's what in 2245 02:04:42.199 --> 02:04:45.600 the animation currently what most people were hearing, they were like, well, 2246 02:04:45.640 --> 02:04:49.920 this is what people want to they'll connect with, so. 2247 02:04:50.039 --> 02:04:57.720 Here first, Yeah exactly. I think this was the moment 2248 02:04:57.760 --> 02:05:00.479 when Lucas stormed off the set was the right thing. Yeah, 2249 02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:03.119 I go, you asshole, and then he just left. 2250 02:05:03.800 --> 02:05:05.439 But you know what I love about it is that 2251 02:05:05.680 --> 02:05:09.319 Han shoots first. But it's like a real uh like, 2252 02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:10.880 you know, have your cake and eat a two moment, 2253 02:05:10.920 --> 02:05:12.960 because Beckett's just like, I'm glad you did that, kid. 2254 02:05:13.000 --> 02:05:13.760 I'm really proud of you. 2255 02:05:14.399 --> 02:05:16.720 I'm proud of your son, you know. 2256 02:05:17.039 --> 02:05:19.199 So it's like, it's okay, right, guys, he's looking at 2257 02:05:19.239 --> 02:05:23.239 the audience. It's I'm okay with this. Hans shot first. 2258 02:05:23.840 --> 02:05:27.359 Yeah. By the way, I didn't mention I like how 2259 02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:31.399 Chewy has the double bandolier on this action figure or 2260 02:05:31.479 --> 02:05:32.800 I mean this in this movie. 2261 02:05:33.800 --> 02:05:35.319 Wait, what about it? 2262 02:05:35.399 --> 02:05:39.000 He's got like the double strap, you know, so that 2263 02:05:39.079 --> 02:05:41.359 you can distinguish which which toy you're buying. 2264 02:05:43.119 --> 02:05:46.680 That's hilarious, like Malibu Stacey and her new hat exactly. 2265 02:05:46.800 --> 02:05:49.760 This is this is double bandolier Chewie. 2266 02:05:50.439 --> 02:05:55.079 That is hilarious, by the way. But I think they 2267 02:05:55.119 --> 02:05:57.000 do a good job of though. Is you know, Beckett 2268 02:05:57.039 --> 02:05:59.199 does have his finger on the trigger. He's gonna shoot, 2269 02:06:00.000 --> 02:06:01.119 you know, so Han does have show. 2270 02:06:02.640 --> 02:06:05.600 It doesn't mean anything if he doesn't say m clunky, Right. 2271 02:06:06.800 --> 02:06:10.359 Yeah, this is great. This is like a real This 2272 02:06:10.560 --> 02:06:14.119 is Han becoming Han, that's right, having to kill his 2273 02:06:14.239 --> 02:06:18.159 mentor and seeing the love of his life leave him 2274 02:06:18.800 --> 02:06:21.079 and that that heartbreak on his face as he watches 2275 02:06:21.199 --> 02:06:21.800 or Go, and then. 2276 02:06:21.800 --> 02:06:25.960 Chewy is his best friend for life, yep, putting his 2277 02:06:26.119 --> 02:06:28.920 paw on his shoulder. And I love Han and Chewy, 2278 02:06:29.319 --> 02:06:32.159 you know, yeah, two of them together A what a pair, 2279 02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:32.560 you know. 2280 02:06:33.680 --> 02:06:38.760 Yeah, And obviously from the movies that we grew up 2281 02:06:38.800 --> 02:06:41.159 watching and that's why we feel that way. It's great. 2282 02:06:41.199 --> 02:06:44.600 But I feel like that moment is a real potent 2283 02:06:44.800 --> 02:06:47.720 connection for them, Like I feel the same feelings from 2284 02:06:47.760 --> 02:06:51.159 the other movies in that moment, like Chewy's gonna be 2285 02:06:51.199 --> 02:06:54.680 always be there for Han, and I don't know Han 2286 02:06:54.760 --> 02:06:56.239 realizing the chew He's going to be there for him, 2287 02:06:56.239 --> 02:06:57.880 maybe the only person who's going to be there for him. 2288 02:06:58.359 --> 02:07:01.359 Well to me, you know, I mean, there's always something 2289 02:07:02.119 --> 02:07:06.159 extra heartbreaking about Chewie's scream when Han gets stabbed in 2290 02:07:06.199 --> 02:07:10.279 the chest, right yeah, because here's his friend for all 2291 02:07:10.359 --> 02:07:17.760 these decades gone, you know, yep. So what I love 2292 02:07:17.840 --> 02:07:23.319 about this is in essence, Han is like, you know, 2293 02:07:23.720 --> 02:07:26.279 he's like an early adopter of the rebellion. He's like 2294 02:07:26.319 --> 02:07:30.640 an early investor. Yeah, but nobody knows, like, which makes 2295 02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:33.239 it extra funny when Lea is like, your reward is 2296 02:07:33.239 --> 02:07:35.199 all you care about? And he should be like, woman, 2297 02:07:37.079 --> 02:07:38.119 who do you think pay for all this? 2298 02:07:43.239 --> 02:07:48.319 But again it's it's he also wants to have this facade, right, 2299 02:07:48.600 --> 02:07:51.239 you know, he's like trying to create his own mythology 2300 02:07:51.279 --> 02:07:53.880 a little bit about even just the way I love 2301 02:07:53.920 --> 02:07:55.600 that when she invites him and he just gives that 2302 02:07:55.800 --> 02:07:59.000 silent nah kind of headshake that he's not going to 2303 02:07:59.079 --> 02:08:02.079 join them. But Kira says earlier, you know, I know 2304 02:08:02.159 --> 02:08:05.039 something about you, literally no one else knows, which is 2305 02:08:05.119 --> 02:08:07.720 you're the good guy. He's a good guy. You're the 2306 02:08:07.760 --> 02:08:13.159 good guy. He doesn't maybe even believe it about himself, 2307 02:08:13.239 --> 02:08:13.560 but he is. 2308 02:08:16.560 --> 02:08:19.920 See, if nothing else, I would have liked a sequel 2309 02:08:19.960 --> 02:08:23.439 so we could explain why Chewy loses that second Bandalier. 2310 02:08:26.319 --> 02:08:29.319 I just wanted like two hours of that of Chewy 2311 02:08:29.479 --> 02:08:32.359 like scratching, like it's like uncomfortable, and he just keeps 2312 02:08:32.399 --> 02:08:35.119 wrestling with it, right finally tears it off, and I 2313 02:08:35.239 --> 02:08:38.960 was like, so that's why he doesn't happen right right, 2314 02:08:39.079 --> 02:08:43.560 right now, I get it. So, Brian, is it just 2315 02:08:43.720 --> 02:08:45.239 me or did this movie just fly by? 2316 02:08:45.800 --> 02:08:49.079 Absolutely? Yeah, this is like two hours fifteen minutes. But 2317 02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:50.800 I thought about the time once. 2318 02:08:51.159 --> 02:08:53.680 I'm like, holy shit, we're already here. He's about to 2319 02:08:53.720 --> 02:08:56.960 win the falcon again. I love by the way, that 2320 02:08:57.279 --> 02:09:01.720 that when he said fair and square. You know, the 2321 02:09:01.800 --> 02:09:05.399 implication that we now realize is that Lando is a goddamn. 2322 02:09:05.039 --> 02:09:07.560 Cheat, right, Yeah, we see it in the middle of 2323 02:09:07.600 --> 02:09:10.960 the movie. Yeah. Yeah, he's got cards up his sleeve, 2324 02:09:11.560 --> 02:09:14.319 but Hans wise to it now plucked it out of 2325 02:09:14.359 --> 02:09:17.119 his sleeve, and he does win the falcon fair and square. 2326 02:09:21.880 --> 02:09:24.960 By the way, is this the first time Peter Mayhew 2327 02:09:25.159 --> 02:09:29.560 has not played Chew Bacca for like a full film? 2328 02:09:30.239 --> 02:09:33.520 I think, if I'm not mistaken, the last time he 2329 02:09:33.560 --> 02:09:37.319 played Chewy was Force Awakens, Okay, and that was only 2330 02:09:37.399 --> 02:09:41.560 for a portion of it, right, and this this is 2331 02:09:41.600 --> 02:09:42.439 a finish actor. 2332 02:09:42.560 --> 02:09:46.000 I'm gonna say his name incorrectly and I apologize, but Eunice. 2333 02:09:45.680 --> 02:09:47.880 It's Yonis Suatomo. 2334 02:09:48.199 --> 02:09:52.359 Okay. Yeah, he was a professional basketball player. He's six 2335 02:09:52.439 --> 02:09:56.199 foot eleven, yeah, and I guess he was a Yeah. 2336 02:09:56.079 --> 02:09:59.520 He shared he shared it with Peter Mayhew in the 2337 02:09:59.560 --> 02:10:02.479 first one in Force Awakens, and then he took over 2338 02:10:02.560 --> 02:10:02.880 after that. 2339 02:10:03.279 --> 02:10:05.399 Okay, yeah, he does a good job. I mean, you 2340 02:10:05.560 --> 02:10:08.000 you don't think about it, but the physicality really does 2341 02:10:08.560 --> 02:10:11.239 convey a personality, and I feel like he does feel 2342 02:10:11.279 --> 02:10:13.439 like Chewbacca. I agree. 2343 02:10:13.680 --> 02:10:18.560 Yeah, It's it's tricky, you know. I mean I said 2344 02:10:18.720 --> 02:10:22.680 before that it wasn't until I watched Rogue one that 2345 02:10:22.800 --> 02:10:26.520 I realized there were certain parts of that performance that 2346 02:10:27.680 --> 02:10:29.359 were unique to David Prow's. 2347 02:10:30.119 --> 02:10:32.880 M m yes, visa b Darth Vader, you know. 2348 02:10:32.960 --> 02:10:35.039 So it is. It's it's not as simple as just 2349 02:10:35.119 --> 02:10:36.680 a toll guy putting on a suit, you know. 2350 02:10:37.000 --> 02:10:37.399 Mm hmm. 2351 02:10:39.359 --> 02:10:42.520 So here we go off to Star Wars Solo too. 2352 02:10:43.039 --> 02:10:45.800 Oh wait, never mind. 2353 02:10:46.880 --> 02:10:52.319 Ah, man, make make the the limited series, come on, 2354 02:10:53.359 --> 02:10:53.760 do something. 2355 02:10:53.800 --> 02:10:55.640 I mean, I know they were talking about doing Orlando 2356 02:10:55.800 --> 02:10:56.279 something or other. 2357 02:10:57.039 --> 02:10:58.600 Yeah, I feel like that's even written. 2358 02:11:00.319 --> 02:11:05.319 I mean, don't you know. I hope some of these 2359 02:11:05.600 --> 02:11:08.199 projects do end up materializing. I think it's a very 2360 02:11:08.319 --> 02:11:12.439 big galaxy, far far away that I would love to 2361 02:11:12.439 --> 02:11:15.439 spend more time. And I think as we record this, 2362 02:11:15.560 --> 02:11:21.039 of course, we're on the eve of Mandalorian and Grogu 2363 02:11:21.119 --> 02:11:24.479 coming out, and if that movie performs, then hopefully we 2364 02:11:24.560 --> 02:11:28.079 see more, you know, yep. If it doesn't perform, then 2365 02:11:28.920 --> 02:11:31.039 well we'll be we'll be coming back on Mike and 2366 02:11:31.199 --> 02:11:38.359 very sheepestly explaining why we well, never mind, but you know, 2367 02:11:38.560 --> 02:11:41.479 this is this was this was fun. I have to 2368 02:11:41.560 --> 02:11:47.840 say that brief window shortly after Disney made the purchase 2369 02:11:47.880 --> 02:11:49.800 and it was like, oh and We've got all these 2370 02:11:49.800 --> 02:11:52.000 stories we want to tell. I mean that was exciting. 2371 02:11:52.600 --> 02:11:53.880 Mm hm, you know. 2372 02:11:54.079 --> 02:11:56.800 And then to some extent the fact that this movie, 2373 02:11:56.880 --> 02:11:59.920 I mean, you must have the access to the numbers, right, 2374 02:12:00.039 --> 02:12:02.239 I mean, what what did this cost versus what did 2375 02:12:02.279 --> 02:12:02.720 it take in? 2376 02:12:03.479 --> 02:12:06.239 Well, estimated budget was two hundred and seventy five million. 2377 02:12:07.720 --> 02:12:11.199 Who knows in the US it gross two hundred and 2378 02:12:11.199 --> 02:12:14.239 thirteen million, so not even to make it special back 2379 02:12:14.239 --> 02:12:16.159 in the US. Yeah, and for a Star Wars film 2380 02:12:16.239 --> 02:12:19.159 in that moment, I mean, The Force Awakens I think 2381 02:12:19.279 --> 02:12:22.119 is the highest grossing domestic movie of all time. Yeah, 2382 02:12:22.199 --> 02:12:24.720 at almost a billion. So for this to only make 2383 02:12:24.720 --> 02:12:27.039 two hundred and thirteen million in the US not great. 2384 02:12:27.720 --> 02:12:31.359 Just two years later yep, and worldwide gross is three 2385 02:12:31.439 --> 02:12:32.720 hundred ninety two million. 2386 02:12:34.319 --> 02:12:36.560 Okay, So I mean that's a catastrophe. There's there's no 2387 02:12:36.600 --> 02:12:37.279 way to spin that. 2388 02:12:37.760 --> 02:12:37.960 Yep. 2389 02:12:39.520 --> 02:12:42.079 So I mean, what what do we chalk that up to? 2390 02:12:44.239 --> 02:12:46.560 That's a really good question. I don't know. I mean, 2391 02:12:46.640 --> 02:12:48.079 you and I will show up for all of it. 2392 02:12:49.079 --> 02:12:53.520 So I well, I was thinking about how this came 2393 02:12:53.560 --> 02:12:57.079 out a few weeks after Avengers Infinity War, which was 2394 02:12:57.159 --> 02:12:58.880 sucking up a lot of the oxygen, and then you 2395 02:12:58.920 --> 02:13:03.159 had Gadpool two just before this or just after I 2396 02:13:03.199 --> 02:13:07.720 can't remember, but you know, I think most folks don't 2397 02:13:07.760 --> 02:13:10.960 go to movies every week. Yeah, yeah, and you have 2398 02:13:11.079 --> 02:13:14.319 to figure that an Avengers movie is not it. That's 2399 02:13:14.399 --> 02:13:18.920 a family thing, that's like the whole clan goes mm hmm. Right. 2400 02:13:19.079 --> 02:13:23.000 So let's say you're spending one hundred plus dollars to 2401 02:13:23.119 --> 02:13:25.960 take your family to Avengers Infinity War. Do you want 2402 02:13:25.960 --> 02:13:28.079 to do that again three weeks later for a Star 2403 02:13:28.119 --> 02:13:28.680 Wars movie? 2404 02:13:31.479 --> 02:13:35.800 That and also, pretty much up until this point, not 2405 02:13:36.119 --> 02:13:39.680 counting Rogue one, Star Wars was always like, well we 2406 02:13:39.760 --> 02:13:42.600 got to see what happens next. Yeah, you know what 2407 02:13:42.640 --> 02:13:46.600 I mean, And this wasn't something that was leading, you know, 2408 02:13:46.920 --> 02:13:49.399 coming off of something or leading into anything next. It 2409 02:13:49.520 --> 02:13:52.760 just felt like this random thing floating around, So maybe 2410 02:13:52.800 --> 02:13:55.199 there wasn't an urgency for it. And on top of it, 2411 02:13:55.319 --> 02:13:59.840 it didn't have any of the faces you associate with Star. 2412 02:13:59.760 --> 02:14:04.560 Wars, right, So that bet that this character you love 2413 02:14:04.800 --> 02:14:06.479 will be enough to get people in the in the 2414 02:14:06.560 --> 02:14:10.199 door that was That was a mistake. We also have 2415 02:14:10.319 --> 02:14:12.680 to reckon with the fact that the last Jedi had 2416 02:14:12.800 --> 02:14:17.960 certainly a polarizing response being generous and oh and this 2417 02:14:18.119 --> 02:14:20.680 came months after That's what I'm saying. This is the 2418 02:14:20.800 --> 02:14:24.079 shortest gap ever between Star Wars movies. It was like 2419 02:14:24.159 --> 02:14:29.119 six months I remember that now, yeah, right, or five months, right? 2420 02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:33.520 I think you know all those factors. I think it 2421 02:14:33.640 --> 02:14:35.359 was like, well, we just saw Star Wars. We didn't 2422 02:14:35.439 --> 02:14:40.600 like the last one that much anyway, you know, I honestly, 2423 02:14:40.800 --> 02:14:44.239 I think Disney got greedy just with the whole the 2424 02:14:44.319 --> 02:14:46.840 whole assembly line nature, where we're just going to be 2425 02:14:46.880 --> 02:14:49.319 cranking these suckers out and dropping them every year. I 2426 02:14:49.479 --> 02:14:55.960 think they overestimated the willingness of of average folks to 2427 02:14:56.079 --> 02:14:57.000 keep showing up. You know. 2428 02:14:57.640 --> 02:14:59.920 Yeah, spacing it out would have helped a little more patient. 2429 02:15:00.800 --> 02:15:01.279 I think so. 2430 02:15:01.439 --> 02:15:03.560 I mean, this is like the eternal question. Well, if 2431 02:15:03.600 --> 02:15:06.319 they had released it in December of twenty eighteen instead 2432 02:15:06.319 --> 02:15:10.399 of May, would it have done better? I don't know, 2433 02:15:10.640 --> 02:15:13.680 but I would place money on that. 2434 02:15:14.119 --> 02:15:19.079 Yes, when in case you were wondering, because I was rogue. 2435 02:15:19.159 --> 02:15:25.119 One made a billion at the worldwide box office and 2436 02:15:25.319 --> 02:15:29.000 five hundred and thirty two million North American and that's 2437 02:15:29.079 --> 02:15:33.359 coming a year after Force Awakened. So everybody likes Force Awakens. 2438 02:15:33.399 --> 02:15:37.000 We're high on Star Wars. Waited a year and we 2439 02:15:37.119 --> 02:15:40.800 get another one and you make a billion dollars. But 2440 02:15:40.960 --> 02:15:43.239 at this point we had received more. Like you said 2441 02:15:43.319 --> 02:15:45.359 last Jed, I was a little polarizing. This came out 2442 02:15:45.439 --> 02:15:47.840 just months after. It doesn't have any recognizable faces. 2443 02:15:48.680 --> 02:15:52.760 Yeah, yeah, so you know, I mean it's at this 2444 02:15:52.880 --> 02:15:55.800 point it's all academic, but I think it's very possible 2445 02:15:55.880 --> 02:15:59.199 it was like four different factors all working in conjunction 2446 02:16:00.720 --> 02:16:02.359 to make people not want to watch it. 2447 02:16:02.920 --> 02:16:03.119 Yeah. 2448 02:16:03.640 --> 02:16:07.159 And I don't think it was even like, oh like 2449 02:16:08.199 --> 02:16:09.800 that looks like crap, I don't want to see it. 2450 02:16:09.800 --> 02:16:12.079 I think it was like I'll watch it when I 2451 02:16:12.199 --> 02:16:14.840 watch it, you know, yeah, sure, And you know this 2452 02:16:15.000 --> 02:16:18.359 gets look Marvel was enjoying a very good run at 2453 02:16:18.399 --> 02:16:20.920 around the time this movie did not do well. But 2454 02:16:21.039 --> 02:16:23.239 even Marvel obviously has had its lull, right, And I 2455 02:16:23.279 --> 02:16:26.199 think it just look, everything that goes up is going 2456 02:16:26.239 --> 02:16:31.600 to come down, right, And and you know, scarcity is 2457 02:16:32.760 --> 02:16:34.360 not the worst idea in the world when it comes 2458 02:16:34.399 --> 02:16:37.040 to these things, you know, Like, I think these companies 2459 02:16:37.120 --> 02:16:37.879 need to realize that. 2460 02:16:38.520 --> 02:16:43.040 Yeah, you know, if it if. 2461 02:16:42.959 --> 02:16:44.639 It's something you start taking for granted, I mean we 2462 02:16:44.719 --> 02:16:49.879 talked about this before, right, There's there's been more Star 2463 02:16:49.959 --> 02:16:56.000 Wars content from twenty fifteen to now than our entire 2464 02:16:56.120 --> 02:16:57.479 lives up to that time. 2465 02:16:58.120 --> 02:16:58.360 Wow. 2466 02:16:59.680 --> 02:17:06.920 Right, Like there's five movies plus just hours and hours 2467 02:17:06.959 --> 02:17:11.520 and hours of shows, which I know you have not 2468 02:17:11.680 --> 02:17:14.520 seen the majority of not. 2469 02:17:14.639 --> 02:17:18.319 A lot of it. Well, no, right up to a point, 2470 02:17:18.360 --> 02:17:20.000 and then I kind of dropped off. But I was 2471 02:17:20.079 --> 02:17:22.360 watching everything for a while, sure. 2472 02:17:22.319 --> 02:17:24.559 Right, But that's my point. It's not like you're like, oh, 2473 02:17:24.639 --> 02:17:26.440 if this is too much, You're just like, it's just 2474 02:17:26.520 --> 02:17:29.479 a lot. I don't I'm losing track, right, yeah, a 2475 02:17:29.520 --> 02:17:34.600 little bit. And and your fandom of Star Wars is 2476 02:17:34.719 --> 02:17:38.680 not diminished, but it is like I'm you know, I 2477 02:17:38.879 --> 02:17:41.559 don't have time to watch everything, you know, and that's 2478 02:17:41.719 --> 02:17:43.200 that's where a lot of people are. And I think 2479 02:17:43.239 --> 02:17:43.760 that sucks. 2480 02:17:43.840 --> 02:17:44.120 I don't. 2481 02:17:44.120 --> 02:17:47.520 I don't like I missed the days of it being 2482 02:17:47.600 --> 02:17:50.440 a big effing deal when there's a Star Wars you know, 2483 02:17:50.639 --> 02:17:54.760 yea that that was the case for us, you know, 2484 02:17:55.040 --> 02:17:57.200 during the context of the special editions. That was the 2485 02:17:57.280 --> 02:18:00.920 case certainly when the prequels came out mm hmm, like 2486 02:18:01.120 --> 02:18:03.639 like or dislike the movies, and you know, there was 2487 02:18:04.799 --> 02:18:08.280 this is something else, right, there's there's this retroactive thing. Now, Oh, 2488 02:18:09.319 --> 02:18:12.079 the people didn't hate the prequels when they came out. 2489 02:18:13.000 --> 02:18:17.719 That's just made up, like uh, And now people are 2490 02:18:17.760 --> 02:18:22.760 saying that and I'm like that, that's bullshit, like that 2491 02:18:23.239 --> 02:18:27.399 that is factually untrue because I lived it, yeah, and 2492 02:18:27.520 --> 02:18:29.760 not only did I live it, I'm at best lived it. 2493 02:18:29.879 --> 02:18:32.559 And Jake Lloyd lived it yeah, and freaking George Lucas 2494 02:18:32.639 --> 02:18:32.959 lived it. 2495 02:18:33.680 --> 02:18:35.680 Great point, great point. Right. 2496 02:18:36.799 --> 02:18:39.200 So that's this new thing, like because because you know, 2497 02:18:39.319 --> 02:18:42.719 now we have the sequel haters, and so we're gonna 2498 02:18:42.719 --> 02:18:47.079 go through this whole cycle and then we'll see, let's 2499 02:18:47.159 --> 02:18:48.879 touch base in ten years and see where that is. 2500 02:18:48.959 --> 02:18:49.200 I don't. 2501 02:18:49.319 --> 02:18:50.879 I don't even care at this point, but you know, 2502 02:18:52.879 --> 02:18:54.159 it just goes on and on, right. 2503 02:18:54.440 --> 02:18:54.639 Yeah. 2504 02:18:55.280 --> 02:18:58.200 But all of this is to say, like, scarcity is 2505 02:18:58.280 --> 02:19:00.680 good because because you want to you want to savor 2506 02:19:01.799 --> 02:19:05.959 the build up. And you know, you and I, over 2507 02:19:06.000 --> 02:19:09.079 the last six months we've had many a conversation about 2508 02:19:09.159 --> 02:19:12.319 how excited or not we're feeling about the Mandalorian and 2509 02:19:12.360 --> 02:19:15.520 Grogu And I'm not gonna speak for you here, but 2510 02:19:15.559 --> 02:19:17.520 I'll speak for me. I'm finally at a point where I'm. 2511 02:19:17.360 --> 02:19:21.559 Like, you know, I'm ready for this, me too. Yeah right, yeah, 2512 02:19:22.440 --> 02:19:24.600 you know it took a while, but yeah, and it's 2513 02:19:25.200 --> 02:19:26.719 you know, it wasn't one of those things where I 2514 02:19:26.799 --> 02:19:29.479 was counting down the days, no since like a year 2515 02:19:29.520 --> 02:19:32.280 ago or anything like that. But now that it's approaching 2516 02:19:32.440 --> 02:19:34.200 and I'm like, wait, I think you'll see a new 2517 02:19:34.360 --> 02:19:37.840 Star Wars story in the theater, right, like, yeah, let's go. 2518 02:19:39.719 --> 02:19:42.159 So that's that's right. Yeah. 2519 02:19:42.840 --> 02:19:45.360 So anyway, hey, let us know your thoughts about solo 2520 02:19:45.479 --> 02:19:47.079 a Star Wars story, and hell, any of the other 2521 02:19:47.120 --> 02:19:48.920 Star Wars stuff we talked about. I mean, Lord knows 2522 02:19:48.959 --> 02:19:51.120 you and I we don't need much of a nudge 2523 02:19:51.440 --> 02:19:52.639 to start talking about Star Wars. 2524 02:19:52.719 --> 02:19:54.200 Oh no, I want to hear it all. I want 2525 02:19:54.200 --> 02:19:56.559 to hear everyone's opinions. So let us know. 2526 02:19:56.600 --> 02:19:58.559 You can email us at Movie Film Podcast at gmail 2527 02:19:58.559 --> 02:20:00.000 dot com. 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