Speaker 1: It's a golden name.
Speaker 2: Tellie go to the Night the Fantasy sat in Louisial
Speaker 2: History the gold and tell you.
Speaker 3: On today's tuition, we're continuing the journey here on the
Speaker 3: Golden Era Podcast with Sean Mooney. We're talking about this
Speaker 3: Tuesday in Texas. Sean, how you doing today?
Speaker 4: I'm doing great. I'm glad we're doing this episode almost
Speaker 4: to the day of the distance between Survivors Series ninety
Speaker 4: one and then this Tuesday in Texas because they wanted
Speaker 4: it to be this timely event that you could not miss.
Speaker 3: And you know, the name This Tuesday in Texas because
Speaker 3: up to this point we've had ro rumble, We've got WrestleMania,
Speaker 3: summersem Survivor series his traditional names, we love them so
Speaker 3: much in nineteen ninety one, This Tuesday in Texas. Now,
Speaker 3: according to Bruce Pritchett, the name is because the urgency
Speaker 3: of it. It's this Tuesday, you can't miss it today day?
Speaker 3: And where is it? It's in Texas?
Speaker 4: What do you need to know?
Speaker 3: Like, what do you think of the name, because.
Speaker 4: This Tuesday in Texas, Hulk gets his belt back.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, we didn't say that. What do
Speaker 3: you think was going to happen like this Monday in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know. It's just weird to think that
Speaker 3: you would just be okay, Well, the urgency of the
Speaker 3: name to tell you when it is and where it's
Speaker 3: going to be. I don't give a ship. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: where wrestling is going to be? Yes, I need to
Speaker 3: know when it airs, but I can't. I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't care that it's going to be in Texas. It
Speaker 3: just sounds. Uh, it sounds I guess a nice tagline
Speaker 3: to put it this Tuesday in Texas, Oh those teas.
Speaker 3: But I don't know about this name. I don't think
Speaker 3: anyone's ever accepted this name. What did you think of
Speaker 3: the name?
Speaker 4: Well? As uh, you know we've been talking about with this,
Speaker 4: this was kind of an experiment all the way around.
Speaker 4: Uh you know, could you would with something with that
Speaker 4: kind of urgency work? Uh? You know what? People be
Speaker 4: willing to pay money within a few days to follow
Speaker 4: and being able to follow up and take a storyline
Speaker 4: a little bit further with this urgency will leave you
Speaker 4: kind of hanging, so will you come back right away?
Speaker 4: And so using a title like that was also just
Speaker 4: let's see how people react to it, you know, overall,
Speaker 4: and we'll get into the weeds on it later. But
Speaker 4: it didn't necessarily work very well because, as we know,
Speaker 4: the buy rate was lower, people had paid less. But
Speaker 4: at the same time, you know that measurement is not
Speaker 4: necessarily what how much money you made on is how
Speaker 4: many people a percentage of the people that have the
Speaker 4: ability to bring a pay per view into their home
Speaker 4: are actually paying to see it. And that's what it
Speaker 4: came down to. And as we saw other Fiber series,
Speaker 4: ninety one was two point one something like that, and
Speaker 4: this Tuesday in Texas was half of that. So it
Speaker 4: was disappointing in that sense, but the whole thing was
Speaker 4: really just to see, let's see what happens. Can we
Speaker 4: can we pull this off? And is it something we
Speaker 4: want to start doing in the future.
Speaker 3: But why not have this in December? Like why do
Speaker 3: you have to do this six days later? I think
Speaker 3: people would have paid more if this was Hey, in December,
Speaker 3: we're gonna have because in December I think eighty nine,
Speaker 3: the WWF did the match the movie they had No
Speaker 3: Holds Barred and then a marquee match with Bruce beef
Speaker 3: Cake and Hogan versus Zeus and mach him and in
Speaker 3: a steel cage. They did that before in December. Why
Speaker 3: not now why try to push six days? Why only
Speaker 3: use Survivors Sais? You could have used Primetime Superstars Wrestling Challenge.
Speaker 3: I'm very curious to know why you would think it
Speaker 3: needs to be in six days? Like why the urgency?
Speaker 3: Do you think?
Speaker 4: Well? I think that they felt they could I don't
Speaker 4: want to say waste one. But it was a chance
Speaker 4: for them to see does it will this work? Imagine
Speaker 4: you know, imagine what goes into promoting an event, and
Speaker 4: it's and especially when we would do you know, for
Speaker 4: the four Big Ones then and we would spend months
Speaker 4: and months promoting it at a pretty good cost of
Speaker 4: doing this necessarily, and they wanted to see, Okay, do
Speaker 4: we need all of that promotion? Can we just build
Speaker 4: the momentum and then act on it quickly instead of
Speaker 4: having to do it for say, and like you said,
Speaker 4: they could have waited a month. That would have been
Speaker 4: kind of unprecedented. Too. Here they're doing a pay per
Speaker 4: view a month later, you know, the same thing as
Speaker 4: you mentioned to see and it was overall a failed
Speaker 4: experiment in sense because then they didn't end up doing
Speaker 4: another one for over a decade later, so obviously it
Speaker 4: wasn't the results that they wanted to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just surprised. Like I know, the Tuesday concept
Speaker 3: is always brought up as, oh, it was a Tuesday,
Speaker 3: like we usually have pay per views on Mondays. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I don't think the date had anything to do with it.
Speaker 3: I think it's the fact that it was so quick.
Speaker 3: But again, you still made money, you still put on
Speaker 3: a show, because the thing with this is you paid
Speaker 3: to see this event this Tuesday. In sexist you get
Speaker 3: nine dark matches on this show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nine and not and not bad ones, not all,
Speaker 4: I mean all. They were pretty good matches. Some of them.
Speaker 4: I would have liked to have seen the same part
Speaker 4: of the pay per view event, which we'll we'll talk about.
Speaker 3: It's just funny to think where I guess everyone who
Speaker 3: only watched a pay per view. Like I said, I'm
Speaker 3: doing the same thing. I'm taking the name and going
Speaker 3: why the name? Why these matches? Why? Six days? But
Speaker 3: if you bought a ticket, you got a show, because
Speaker 3: you got Legion of Doom versus the Rockers and one
Speaker 3: of the last appearances of the Rockers as a tag
Speaker 3: team because they're next up airing on Superstars in a
Speaker 3: few weeks after that would be the Barbershop Window. You know,
Speaker 3: you have Rick Flavors as Rowdy Roddy Piper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know how that one was a
Speaker 4: part of it. And then you know, we end up
Speaker 4: getting you know them and you know and and and
Speaker 4: really I love those guys. I'm saying, you give me
Speaker 4: a choice and I get to see Rick Flair take
Speaker 4: on Roddy Piper. But that yes, I'm in I know it.
Speaker 4: But also you met you know, these matches were uh,
Speaker 4: I'm not bad at all. I mean, because you had
Speaker 4: other guys that would were rising up. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: Charles Wright was in there, Sir Charles was one of
Speaker 4: these matches, one of his early matches with the w
Speaker 4: W E. Chris Chavis, who you know is the Tanka.
Speaker 4: So yeah, if you showed up that night, and I
Speaker 4: think about what eight thousand people showed up, you got
Speaker 4: a hell of a show really and overall as a
Speaker 4: show itself, as a house show, it wasn't a bad deal.
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, and as far as the pay
Speaker 4: per view went, when with with the you know, the
Speaker 4: Jake and Randy maybe not the greatest match in itself,
Speaker 4: but the storyline of that was just tremendous, which I
Speaker 4: really want to get into. And Brett Hart and Skinner
Speaker 4: was not a bad matchup, so overall as an event itself,
Speaker 4: it wasn't bad at all. It gets a lot. I
Speaker 4: think it gets trashed a lot because of well, as
Speaker 4: we mentioned, the way they turn this thing around and
Speaker 4: basically made it take a commercial venture all the way around.
Speaker 4: But that's why they're in business is to make money,
Speaker 4: and they're going to find different ways to make that happen.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to read down the card really quick.
Speaker 3: It's the Harris Brothers having a tryout and the w
Speaker 3: W ron in Don Harris. They were eventually the DOA.
Speaker 3: They were Jacob and Eli Blue obviously the Harris brothers
Speaker 3: as well Sir Charles you said the Godfather, Papa Shango
Speaker 3: and Brian Lee, who had actually become the fake Undertaker
Speaker 3: in the Undertaker was Undertaker in nine ten NY four storyline,
Speaker 3: so ton because Greg Valentine defeats Brooklyn Brawler, the Nasty
Speaker 3: Boys take on the Bushwhackers, leads to Doom then fights
Speaker 3: the Rockers and then Legion to Doom Fights the Natural Disasters,
Speaker 3: back to back matches.
Speaker 4: Why right Lesion.
Speaker 3: Du Rous Rockers. First I saw Piper versus Flann I
Speaker 3: was like, all right, that's pretty impressive. Then I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: Lesion of dovers for Rockers? When did we ever see
Speaker 3: that on television? And why isn't it on television?
Speaker 4: Exactly? Did you know? You really you look at the like,
Speaker 4: holy crap, it would have been if they put these
Speaker 4: matches on maybe it would have been you know, people
Speaker 4: and what they paid for they had to pay for
Speaker 4: pay per view wise half to what they paid for
Speaker 4: Survivor series. And so if you know, even if they
Speaker 4: would have put three or four more of these matches
Speaker 4: on there, people would have stuck around. The whole thing
Speaker 4: was only on for an hour and a half as
Speaker 4: a pay per view event. Give people the.
Speaker 3: Option by the whole thing or buy a half.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then and then you think about it, because
Speaker 4: of course I was involved doing the Coliseum home videos
Speaker 4: and I was thinking back, you know, looking at that
Speaker 4: card that I'm like, this is going to make a
Speaker 4: hell of a tape. And then they never even did
Speaker 4: they it. It became part of I think Super Tape
Speaker 4: two or something like that where it was. There was
Speaker 4: not a Colisseum home video called This Tuesday in Texas,
Speaker 4: which I meant, I said, at least, at the very least,
Speaker 4: we're gonna have this great coliseum video. Didn't happen. That's
Speaker 4: a big question. Why not?
Speaker 3: That is a weird question, because you are right, there's
Speaker 3: a VHS release of everything wrestumating at eight over a series.
Speaker 3: You guys had so many super tape superstar tapes like
Speaker 3: you had a million different things. But yes, this does
Speaker 3: not get a Colisseum video release. It's called WWF Super
Speaker 3: Tape ninety two. And on the cover on the bottom,
Speaker 3: if you have the tape on the bottom, it just
Speaker 3: a little print, you know, the full cord of This
Speaker 3: Tuesday and Texas. I'm thinking, didn't the world title change
Speaker 3: hands at this event? If anything, let's put that out front.
Speaker 3: That should be the cover of this VHS tape. It's not.
Speaker 3: I think it's Brett Hard great. I love Brett Hart,
Speaker 3: But why no release?
Speaker 4: Do you think it's a great It is a great
Speaker 4: mystery because maybe at the at the time they viewed
Speaker 4: it as a failure, or because they didn't get the
Speaker 4: numbers that they were expecting and just kind of buried it.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I remember, I do. I just
Speaker 4: think remember thinking this is at the very least, this
Speaker 4: is is going to make a great Coliseum home video.
Speaker 4: I mean, could be one of the best. When you
Speaker 4: look at those dark matches, and then as you mentioned,
Speaker 4: the title changes hands. You have this unbelievable story on
Speaker 4: going on between Macho Man, Randy Savage and Jake the
Speaker 4: Snake Roberts. It was everything you could ask for. I
Speaker 4: mean it was if you, as you said, if you
Speaker 4: were lucky enough to be there that night, you've got
Speaker 4: a hell of a show. He really did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I pulled up the super tape card.
Speaker 3: This is what's on the tape. You have leading to Doom,
Speaker 3: Big Boss Man, the Anvil versus Earthquake, the Mounty and
Speaker 3: the Nasty Boys. You have an IC Championship matches Brett
Speaker 3: Harper's Irs, Greg the Hammer, Valentine versus The Undertaker, and
Speaker 3: just a one on one match super Fly Jimmy Snooker
Speaker 3: versus Undertaker. Then the actual this Tuesday and Texas card starts.
Speaker 3: You have all the matches in a row and the
Speaker 3: last match is the world title. So yeah, they just
Speaker 3: threw in three extra matches when you could have given
Speaker 3: us Piper and Flair, l O D versus The Rockers
Speaker 3: and Nasty Boys versus the Bushwhackers. And I think that
Speaker 3: would have been the same exact tape, except you didn't
Speaker 3: have to re air those old matches because you already
Speaker 3: had a whole pay per view for a VH just
Speaker 3: type release.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I think overall, when you think about capitalizing
Speaker 4: on everything that they captured that day that Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Uh where wherehere is it the event? I'm sorry, I Antonio,
Speaker 3: Oh okay, this's Texas right this Tuesday in Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I sort to make.
Speaker 4: Sure because you didn't forget, did you.
Speaker 3: Nope, the urgency was there, and I knew exactly where
Speaker 3: it was going to be, and I knew what day
Speaker 3: it was going.
Speaker 4: I don't know why when I would stick in your mind,
Speaker 4: but okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's all there this pay per view. You know,
Speaker 3: we could break down a match by match, but really,
Speaker 3: I think one of the biggest things, and I really
Speaker 3: want to dive headfirst into it right now, is the
Speaker 3: Randy Savage, Jake the Snake Roberts storyline, because when you
Speaker 3: think of WWF storylines, you know, put the F back in,
Speaker 3: there's only a few that you go, how did this happen?
Speaker 3: We have a King Cobra moment, we have women being slapped,
Speaker 3: we have Warrior leaving which sets up this match and
Speaker 3: storyline and reinstating. Before we get into all that, like
Speaker 3: where do you land on the Randy Savage, Jake the
Speaker 3: Snake Roberts as a rivalry in the WWF lore Because
Speaker 3: to me, it's gotta be one or two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is one of the one of the greatest storylines.
Speaker 4: The only reason it wouldn't be for me, you know,
Speaker 4: top three or whatever, is because it was stunted. It
Speaker 4: kind of got shut down because of all the I
Speaker 4: guess you could say controversy surrounding it. There was, It
Speaker 4: was a lot to it. But you hear Jake talk
Speaker 4: about it, and you know, you've heard all these different
Speaker 4: stories about the slap that of course is the one
Speaker 4: basically heard around the world of professional wrestling forever. And
Speaker 4: you talk about the timing of it when it happened.
Speaker 4: You certainly couldn't get away with even thinking about doing
Speaker 4: something like that today. But you know, it was people
Speaker 4: talk about how you know that Randy agreed to this.
Speaker 4: Jake even says he came up with the idea. And
Speaker 4: you know, Jake was very hesitant about it, not just
Speaker 4: for how it would be perceived, and you know, people
Speaker 4: thinking crossing the line and that whole thing. And he
Speaker 4: you know, said that guy strikes a woman asn't much
Speaker 4: of a man. He's said that many times. But he said,
Speaker 4: you know, this is how we work back then. And
Speaker 4: he said, and if I'm going to do it, I
Speaker 4: gotta i gotta lay it in a bit to make
Speaker 4: sure it's believable. And you've heard stories you know how
Speaker 4: Randy thought he made it look too real and he
Speaker 4: was out of his mind. Well, Jake says, no, you know,
Speaker 4: Randy had no problem with it. The problem that he
Speaker 4: says is that Elizabeth's family went crazy. Her parents and
Speaker 4: and her grandparents, uh just thought it was way way
Speaker 4: over the line. And uh to the point where you know,
Speaker 4: Jake says that that Randy for a time wasn't welcome
Speaker 4: in their homes and it was like a major family
Speaker 4: and and so he he said that, you know, he
Speaker 4: believed that that thing should have gone, that should have
Speaker 4: gone all the way to WrestleMania. This storyline was just tremendous,
Speaker 4: and but that it was kind of shut down because
Speaker 4: of all that. That was the heat that was surrounding it.
Speaker 4: And on the personal side for Randy with with family matters,
Speaker 4: Now we'll never know. From the other side of Randy,
Speaker 4: I I don't remember it being that those issues. I
Speaker 4: never heard about him having problems with the family. But
Speaker 4: I knew that that he was okay with it. Nothing
Speaker 4: really would ever happen in that ring involving Elizabeth unless
Speaker 4: he signed off on it. And so I don't I
Speaker 4: don't think that was the issue. I think it made
Speaker 4: it sounds for a great story to say that he
Speaker 4: went out of his mind, because you know, Jake made
Speaker 4: it look too real. I mean, come on, these guys
Speaker 4: know how to work. We saw the bump that Elizabeth
Speaker 4: took it with the whole Coogan episode, and so she
Speaker 4: knew that and and and in many ways, you know,
Speaker 4: Elizabeth welcomed getting in there. You know, she didn't want
Speaker 4: to just be the pretty little thing standing at ringside
Speaker 4: all the time. She knew that at some point that's
Speaker 4: gonna wear out. Help you know, you know, you got
Speaker 4: to get get get your hands dirty a little bit,
Speaker 4: and she was all for it, and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: uh Sherry talks about it, the incident where Sherry slaps
Speaker 4: her and and uh you know where Elizabeth delivers you know,
Speaker 4: her receipt whoever, but uh, she you know, Sherry was
Speaker 4: very hesitant about it, and Elizabeth Knight like, no, you know,
Speaker 4: laid in there, you know where. She was totally into it.
Speaker 4: So I don't think that that was an issue either.
Speaker 4: So it was I I think it was a great storyline,
Speaker 4: is your original question here. I just think it was
Speaker 4: stunted a bit. It could have gone a lot further.
Speaker 4: And then we should also talk about some of the
Speaker 4: greatest promos ever cut for this this event and also
Speaker 4: just the storyline because two of the best, Jake Roberts
Speaker 4: and Randy Savage, and they were on the top of
Speaker 4: their game, uh for this, for this storyline. It was
Speaker 4: just fantastic, some of their best work ever ever.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I think it's That's why I said
Speaker 3: it's either top you know, one or two. And I
Speaker 3: think before we move on about anything involved the storyline,
Speaker 3: the parents and his family, the family of Miss Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: I could see one reason of it looks so real,
Speaker 3: not the slap. At one point, Jake is holding her
Speaker 3: up here by I guess her hair, and he is
Speaker 3: screaming and pointing, and he is looking very you know,
Speaker 3: very heelish, and that's what he's doing here. He's a
Speaker 3: bad guy, and it looks so real so that when
Speaker 3: he eventually he does strike her in the ring. I'll
Speaker 3: be honest, you see the strike. You've watched enough wrestling,
Speaker 3: You've seen enough hits. You know, you look at that
Speaker 3: and go, wow, you really held back on that. Good
Speaker 3: for him. But yet the family seeing this, and I
Speaker 3: think they're so emotionally caught up in all the he's
Speaker 3: belittling her, he's screaming at her. There's a King Kobra
Speaker 3: like a few weeks ago. Like, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: layers to this, And if you're not I guess clued
Speaker 3: into what the hell's happening backstage and in front of
Speaker 3: the camera, maybe maybe you could uh start freaking out.
Speaker 3: But as you said, we talked about the mega powers
Speaker 3: exploding on an episode maybe like seven episodes ago, and
Speaker 3: Macho Mann's giant butt lands on her face and she
Speaker 3: gets crushed on the outside, and I'd never heard a
Speaker 3: story about the family being upset about that.
Speaker 2: This is no no.
Speaker 4: But I also think and as you said, the slap,
Speaker 4: I mean, Jake is a professional, it's it's the same
Speaker 4: as how they do with punches and everything. But I
Speaker 4: think it was more more the perception of her mistreatment
Speaker 4: as a woman. I think that that had a lot
Speaker 4: to do with it. And as I said, it was
Speaker 4: a different time. It was a different time when you
Speaker 4: could could follow these storylines. I mean, Randy's whole thing
Speaker 4: was being this overpowering, domineering character over Elizabeth and control freak,
Speaker 4: and that was the character so and wasn't the nicest.
Speaker 4: Was mistreated Elizabeth on many ass right in front of
Speaker 4: the television camera. So it was that that whole atmosphere
Speaker 4: was something that was professional wrestling. But as you know,
Speaker 4: Jake was sensitive to it. It was a time where
Speaker 4: he didn't want to be known as somebody who would
Speaker 4: strike a woman. But it was part of the storyline
Speaker 4: and it certainly heated things up. But I mentioned those
Speaker 4: promos and I people go back. You can find him
Speaker 4: on YouTube. And one thing I want to mention too is,
Speaker 4: you know, try and find that slap now on YouTube. Steve.
Speaker 4: You could see how the WWE is very sensitive to
Speaker 4: it because you can see that the end of that
Speaker 4: match has got clips of it too, but no slap,
Speaker 4: so very very even, very very sensitive to it today.
Speaker 4: But getting back to the promo, Oh my god, you
Speaker 4: know Jake. Let's start with Jake and the promos that
Speaker 4: he had for this and just just such awesome when
Speaker 4: he talks about, you know, I came into this world
Speaker 4: and basically innocent, and thank you Jack Tunney for educating me,
Speaker 4: because when I came into as well, I couldn't lie,
Speaker 4: I couldn't cheat, I couldn't steal, and you taught me
Speaker 4: all of that, you know. And then he gets into that,
Speaker 4: and then when we get into the whole thing about
Speaker 4: with him man handling Elizabeth, and he's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: and then when I felt then I felt it down
Speaker 4: down my back, you know, the you know, basically saying
Speaker 4: the power I had over this woman, and you're like, Holy,
Speaker 4: this guy, I mean, all the best of the best
Speaker 4: in his burn that slow burned, the way he delivered
Speaker 4: stuff and so good. I mean, you believed every word
Speaker 4: that's coming out of his mouth. So, you know, Jake,
Speaker 4: one of the best and it's he he had a
Speaker 4: great career. I just don't know why he wasn't at
Speaker 4: the peak of everything for as long as that ride
Speaker 4: was because he was. It was just so good and
Speaker 4: uh and and great, a great ring performer. So it's
Speaker 4: uh to me, he's he's right up there, one of
Speaker 4: the best step and especially when it came to cutting promos,
Speaker 4: My god, Oh.
Speaker 3: He was a he was a genius.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's funny you say that the Bulls promo because after
Speaker 3: he hits her in the promo of it airs, it
Speaker 3: really seems like he got off on slapping her, and
Speaker 3: you're like, oh my god, dude, what is this guy's
Speaker 3: really feeling this? More so than es he's happy to
Speaker 3: be here.
Speaker 4: He's that kind of like, yeah, that's good stuff my back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh Jay please you sick.
Speaker 4: But you believed them, Oh my god, you believed him right.
Speaker 3: Oh, I was all in on this Jake to Snake Roberts,
Speaker 3: especially that you know that don't trust me version of him.
Speaker 3: This one he's like, trust me, trust brother, And uh.
Speaker 3: It's quite interesting that how we even got here in
Speaker 3: the first place, because we did a whole episode about it.
Speaker 3: Ultimate Warrior gets fired from the w WF in nineteen
Speaker 3: he one Summer Slam. While that is going on backstage
Speaker 3: on television, we're seeing j and Warrior setting up a
Speaker 3: storyline for them where Jake's helping Warrior become darker to
Speaker 3: fight the Undertaker. Well, Warrior is out, Well we're gonna
Speaker 3: have to go to Macha Man's wedding, where we have
Speaker 3: to go to reception. We're out of nowhere. Jake now
Speaker 3: doesn't like Macho Man and he has an Undertaker by
Speaker 3: his side, which sets us all up. And it's very
Speaker 3: interesting to think that because of Warrior leaving, we got
Speaker 3: this amazing storyline in promos, and because it's not just
Speaker 3: a normal thing man like you. We're talking about a
Speaker 3: woman being slapped, and then before that we had a
Speaker 3: King Kobra bite a man's arm that wouldn't let go.
Speaker 3: We don't just have one amazing moment, we have two.
Speaker 3: Just thinking off the top of my head of those
Speaker 3: types of things, what do you How did Jake do feel?
Speaker 3: How does Jake feel about all this? Because I've interviewed
Speaker 3: before about this and he feels like Warrior leaving really
Speaker 3: effed up him becoming world champion. Jake says he was
Speaker 3: supposed to become world champion. I don't know where though,
Speaker 3: maybe he's supposed to be an integer spot, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But yet he was supposed to be a world champion
Speaker 3: and have a storyline with Warrior. It doesn't happen, doesn't materialize.
Speaker 3: And then after this storyline, the finish of Jake in
Speaker 3: Macho is at Saturday Night's main event before We're rumble,
Speaker 3: and then that's it. Jake's out after Usmania eight. Boom boom,
Speaker 3: boom boom, We're out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and an unfortunate series of circumstances, I think is
Speaker 4: the way we can basically lay it all out here,
Speaker 4: because Jake has mentioned that many times that that run
Speaker 4: with Warrior would have been a huge payday for him.
Speaker 4: He think that that cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars,
Speaker 4: if not more. And then of course you get this
Speaker 4: great storyline going which he plays to the tee and does,
Speaker 4: you know, does everything you could possibly want to do
Speaker 4: to sell it and making it hot as ever that
Speaker 4: heat was just off the charts. And then as I said,
Speaker 4: then there's other things come in. Well, we really don't
Speaker 4: want to keep going far forward with this for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: whether it's family or heat from the outside of people
Speaker 4: saying of using a woman or whatever it is, and
Speaker 4: that gets shut down. So you know, Jake loses them
Speaker 4: both counts of these runs, and it's it's just unfortunate
Speaker 4: because you know, the two of them working together were
Speaker 4: so good. We talked about Jake's promos, Randy's were just
Speaker 4: as good when it came to emotions and what were
Speaker 4: what was running in this storyline where was just tremendous
Speaker 4: of me. Here he is, you know, he's supposed to
Speaker 4: be the protector of his woman and he couldn't even
Speaker 4: do that. He's incapacitated in the ring, and Jake basically
Speaker 4: has him where he can do whatever he wants to
Speaker 4: him and does all the you know three ddts that
Speaker 4: just knock him completely just out, and then this woman
Speaker 4: had to come over and cover and try and save him,
Speaker 4: and then she gets slapped by this guy. And his
Speaker 4: promo before that match was great. But I'll tell you
Speaker 4: I had the privilege of being the one who interviewed
Speaker 4: him backstage for that one, and Steeve, I've I've mentioned
Speaker 4: this one before, and to me, it is that that
Speaker 4: interview is one of the greatest interviews. One of the
Speaker 4: greatest promos that Brandy ever did, and he did a
Speaker 4: lot of tremendous ones, but this one, man, he's he's
Speaker 4: smacking himself, he's slapping himself. He can't forgive himself. He's
Speaker 4: just so distraught. He's lays down on the ground. If
Speaker 4: you see me with a microphone trying to follow him
Speaker 4: as he's going around to make sure people can hear him.
Speaker 4: And I remember, as this is going on, I'm going, oh,
Speaker 4: this Jesus, this is the unbelievable. I'm feeling I'm getting
Speaker 4: chills as he's going and he's just going on and on,
Speaker 4: and I've mentioned you know where. And then as he
Speaker 4: finally finally gets up and he's just like and he
Speaker 4: just like shoves me out of the way. And I
Speaker 4: remember everybody in that room, nobody moved. There wasn't a
Speaker 4: sound because we're all just like, holy shit. That was unbelievable.
Speaker 4: That was. And I remember after that, everybody's like, oh, Randy,
Speaker 4: my god, that was. And this is the this is
Speaker 4: the interview I've told you about for where Vince was
Speaker 4: there off to the side, and I ever tell you,
Speaker 4: I tell you he's doing this would wrap him up,
Speaker 4: wrap him up. And uh, I think back now because
Speaker 4: I watched it again, and I'm saying, can you if
Speaker 4: I would have cut that thing short somehow it would
Speaker 4: have been you would have missed half of it? How
Speaker 4: good it was that you just that was my my
Speaker 4: whole way thing is this thing is over? When Randy
Speaker 4: said it's over, I'm not jumping in there. And if
Speaker 4: you look at that's why it was so good. And
Speaker 4: and I'm not It's not just me saying this. You
Speaker 4: go and you talk to people that are in the
Speaker 4: knower or historians and ask them, what what was one
Speaker 4: of if not the best, but one of the best
Speaker 4: promos that ran he Savage ever cut. It's that one
Speaker 4: in Texas. Uh. It really was just phenomenal. And I think,
Speaker 4: you know, Vince would say, oh, man, that was probably
Speaker 4: a good thing that we didn't wrap that one up early,
Speaker 4: because man, that whole thing when he finally gets up
Speaker 4: and then he goes and get up, you know, and
Speaker 4: just pushes me out of the way and goes out,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, what an exit? Because you've just felt it?
Speaker 4: Where's he going? Is he gonna go? Get him? Now?
Speaker 4: I mean he's he want he's gonna kill somebody. What
Speaker 4: he's gotta he can't let this Simmary, He's got to
Speaker 4: go do it now. So uh, all the way around.
Speaker 4: That was the whole match itself to how many people
Speaker 4: remember what the happened with the match ran going off
Speaker 4: with the elbow or whatever, But it was all that
Speaker 4: that they had the post happened happened in the ring afterwards,
Speaker 4: and in that interview, Man Jake was right, man, that
Speaker 4: thing should have been ridden right all the way to
Speaker 4: wrestlemaning because that that heat was as as hot as
Speaker 4: it gets.
Speaker 3: Now, let me throw something at you then, because do
Speaker 3: you believe that the poor house shows of Rick Flair
Speaker 3: and Hok Cogan in ninety one around this time they go, oh,
Speaker 3: oh okay, we can't get the russmanni with Hogan and Flair.
Speaker 3: All right, we gotta get we gotta get the Sid
Speaker 3: Hogan thing going now. We gotta get this Macha man
Speaker 3: Rick Flair thing going now. But we gotta somehow put
Speaker 3: an end to this. And I say I said it
Speaker 3: mentioned Macho Man fights Jake the Snake at Saturday Night's
Speaker 3: main event, the last one that aired on it was
Speaker 3: on Fox because NBC canceled the contract with the WWF
Speaker 3: at this time, so they weren't getting NBC primetime specialists,
Speaker 3: they were getting Fox. And this is where this airs.
Speaker 3: Also on that night, Rodny Piper beats mach the Mounti
Speaker 3: to become inconal champion. Hogan teams up with Said Justice
Speaker 3: to take on Rick Flair an undertaker, and that's the
Speaker 3: night where we get even a further suggest as Ho
Speaker 3: Cogan storyline. So do you think, and I threw all
Speaker 3: it out at you, do you think that maybe the
Speaker 3: poor reception of Lair and Hogan led to we had
Speaker 3: to break out Macho Man and Jake because we can
Speaker 3: make more money with Flair and Hogan doing separate things
Speaker 3: than having Macho Men and Jake together.
Speaker 4: Well, maybe not so much, thinking we can make more
Speaker 4: of them being separate because they didn't really know. But
Speaker 4: one thing they did know is it wasn't working. It
Speaker 4: wasn't happening of what they originally thought was going to happen,
Speaker 4: that we were going to have this, you know, the
Speaker 4: greatest of the greats in the ring together at the
Speaker 4: same time and thereat the world champions head to head.
Speaker 4: And they could tell that was a lot of what
Speaker 4: they were able to do with the house shows is
Speaker 4: get a feel of how people would receive this. It
Speaker 4: was their own little labs that they could go in
Speaker 4: different cities because you know, all the cities are different,
Speaker 4: you get different crowds in different places, and it was
Speaker 4: a great way for them to get an idea, Okay,
Speaker 4: is this going to work on a grand scale? Can
Speaker 4: we put it in a pay per view where people
Speaker 4: are going to line up and say, yes, I want
Speaker 4: So it was more I think on the side of
Speaker 4: knowing why we wish it would happen, but it's just not.
Speaker 4: So now we got to pivot. They're always thinking with others,
Speaker 4: they always had something else to do, what's it work?
Speaker 4: And then you've got, you know, sit, bring an undertaker
Speaker 4: in and then see where that's going to go. And
Speaker 4: that's where we ended up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just weird that they would give Flair in
Speaker 3: Hogan in a tag match on the main event on
Speaker 3: Satday Night's main event on Fox, but not be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: this can also main event WrestleMania. But either way, it's
Speaker 3: very strange to think that happens, and you know, you
Speaker 3: you mentioned it for a second, but I really want
Speaker 3: to dive into it. VisiC Man is telling you off
Speaker 3: camera during this amazing macho man promo to wrap he's
Speaker 3: doing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, universal symbols, I think in society. One is this,
Speaker 3: What do you think I'm doing right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm rolling, But I'm also if somebody.
Speaker 3: Did this, this is wrap up. This is roll the
Speaker 3: window down, even though no one rolls the window down anymore,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yeah, okay, nobody rolls through windows.
Speaker 3: Their universal symbols like that, you know piece, you know,
Speaker 3: thumbs up. This one is wrap up, Yes, wrap up?
Speaker 4: Well, and there's a number of it.
Speaker 3: If you were a man, then you suddenly saw someone
Speaker 3: doing this to you, and you know you just happened
Speaker 3: to you. What does this even mean?
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, like you want me to hum, It's okay, Randy,
Speaker 4: It's gonna be okay. But I'm like, what what what
Speaker 4: the world?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, anything like this, uh this, you know.
Speaker 3: Or like hey, stopping, you know, anything.
Speaker 4: But and I remember it was when he was doing
Speaker 4: it was when Randy was on the ground and just
Speaker 4: you know, kind of you know, just grumbling. But but
Speaker 4: but I knew he was going to I had done
Speaker 4: enough interviews with Randy. I you know, I knew where where.
Speaker 4: I didn't necessarily know what he was going to say
Speaker 4: what it was, but I knew how he wasn't got
Speaker 4: that there was more, and I was like, there's no way,
Speaker 4: there's no way I'm doing that, and uh uh. And
Speaker 4: thank god because the way that, as I said, the
Speaker 4: way that all around wraps up, and that explosive that
Speaker 4: I gotta go. I don't know what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 4: but I'm going I gotta go. As as that wrapped up,
Speaker 4: and I just you know, after that, after he walked away,
Speaker 4: and then I knew we were out, I was just like, man,
Speaker 4: that was so good. And then and then I got
Speaker 4: and then comes overs like and I think he's gonna say,
Speaker 4: wasn't that like I was. I was unbelievable, Like I
Speaker 4: told you. I was. I told you to wrap up,
Speaker 4: like really yeah, and you can see everybody in the
Speaker 4: crew it's just like what so yeah, I tell you.
Speaker 4: Even after that, I was just because I knew I
Speaker 4: I've done it long enough. I knew when you got
Speaker 4: when it's gold, and Bence certainly should have known that too.
Speaker 4: I I don't. I maybe after he saw it and
Speaker 4: he went, oh yeah, because you know, he wasn't like
Speaker 4: he didn't have moments like that where he realized, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's better that way. But I told you, like afterwards,
Speaker 4: and I'd see I saw him in the runway and
Speaker 4: I just like looked at him. He looked at me
Speaker 4: like what the you know? I said, I mean, I
Speaker 4: was so fired up, stupidly because I probably could have been,
Speaker 4: you know, on a plane back to Tucson at that point,
Speaker 4: you know, because but I was so mad about it.
Speaker 4: It was kind of like they want a piece of me,
Speaker 4: you know. But really, I mean, I tell you though,
Speaker 4: that and of all I've done, you know how many
Speaker 4: hundreds of interviews that I did, that to me was
Speaker 4: all the way around, just to a be a part
Speaker 4: of that. I was really proud of that. And then
Speaker 4: and it remains one of my my favorite moments that
Speaker 4: I'd spent, not only just in the with with Randy,
Speaker 4: but in the w W. I mean, it was just textbook,
Speaker 4: just a great, great promo and uh. And then I
Speaker 4: mentioned the other one that where you know, Jake's talking
Speaker 4: about Jack Tunny, uh teaching him about and that's that
Speaker 4: was all him, you know, just like you think, where
Speaker 4: did that stuff come from? It's so good, you know.
Speaker 3: I like how Jack Tunny is. He's supposed to be
Speaker 3: this authority figure, but everyone's like even Cogan doesn't like
Speaker 3: Jack Tunny, even hold Cogan and most of his promos
Speaker 3: like Jack Tunny.
Speaker 4: Just what is he?
Speaker 3: He's just trying to keep all the authority.
Speaker 4: He's the authority. Yeah, yeah, he's that's that's what he did.
Speaker 4: He was the he was he took the heat.
Speaker 3: He was the guy that was an evil though he
Speaker 3: didn't like have a group of fashion.
Speaker 4: He's the man. He's the man.
Speaker 3: Steve he banned reptiles from Ringside and Macho and Jake's
Speaker 3: happy about this that he taught about a cheat and
Speaker 3: lie and steal and Jack Tunny is not done here
Speaker 3: on this vivrasy, I mean, on this this Tuesday in Texas.
Speaker 3: Pardon me, it's very easy to get this Tuesday in
Speaker 3: Texas and Survivors Area is confused with each other. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just really bizarre that, Yeah, you're even before this matchup.
Speaker 3: The whole storyline really too. With the King Cobra though,
Speaker 3: is reinstating Macho Man. And that's another thing that happened
Speaker 3: with Warrior leaving his spot is open, Well, we got
Speaker 3: to fill it in with an equal superstar, and Macho
Speaker 3: Man is there. He's currently doing commentary for Superstars and
Speaker 3: Wrestling Challenge randomly and they have to reinstate him to
Speaker 3: bring him back. Did Randy ever want to step away
Speaker 3: from the ring? What was the reasoning? Do you know
Speaker 3: for Randy saying, you know what, I'm gonna take a
Speaker 3: break or I'm gonna just step away for a little bit.
Speaker 3: He was gonna come back eventually no matter what.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I think if you knew Randy, Randy knew
Speaker 4: how the business worked, you didn't step away because you
Speaker 4: could lose your your standing. There were certainly points where
Speaker 4: he needed a break, you know, when you go that far,
Speaker 4: and he did that a few times where you know,
Speaker 4: they go down to Florida and you know, basically chill
Speaker 4: for a little bit. But he understood you can't just
Speaker 4: step away and expect to come back, you know, a
Speaker 4: year later or something like that, and and have that momentum.
Speaker 4: I don't think that that he wanted to step away.
Speaker 4: You have to remember at this point where Vince McMahon's
Speaker 4: heead is is he's thinking about this youth movement. He's
Speaker 4: under feeling that, you know, the superstars I've been counting
Speaker 4: on are getting a little old and the tooth, as
Speaker 4: they say, and I've got to start thinking about the
Speaker 4: future and bringing in new people. And I think that now,
Speaker 4: I think that that that's not something Randy wanted to do.
Speaker 4: They had even talked about, you know, I think Vince
Speaker 4: wanted to try and make it somewhat palatable for him
Speaker 4: and make him by saying that he wanted was going
Speaker 4: to have him part of the booking team. That was
Speaker 4: a part of the discussion, but that that never really
Speaker 4: worked out, and so that and commentary. But I think that,
Speaker 4: you know, uh, for Randy, it kind of came back
Speaker 4: around because they needed him. You know, there'd be there'd
Speaker 4: be points where, you know, somebody would go down on
Speaker 4: the and he would go and fill in in some
Speaker 4: of these house shows and just time and time again
Speaker 4: proving that they needed him. And come on, I mean,
Speaker 4: he he could still go with the best of all
Speaker 4: of them. There wasn't a point it wasn't where they
Speaker 4: were looking at him going boy, he was a little
Speaker 4: slow on that up the turnbuckle there with the elbow,
Speaker 4: you know what there was. It wasn't that. And uh,
Speaker 4: you know, I heard a discussion the other day. They're
Speaker 4: talking about you know where forty used to be old
Speaker 4: and professional wrestling. Yeah, I mean seriously, he used to
Speaker 4: talk about people that are washed up at forty and
Speaker 4: they're boy, he's been around. Oh come look at look
Speaker 4: at today, said everyone can go and at peak that
Speaker 4: are way beyond that. And so that wasn't a point
Speaker 4: of at all. And I don't think Grandy was ever
Speaker 4: you know, accepting of him take taking a backseat because
Speaker 4: he was somehow older that he would he couldn't keep
Speaker 4: up with these guys. I don't think that he was thinking,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, I need it. I want a nice cushy job.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make money and I can just do commentary.
Speaker 4: That wasn't part of his DNA. As we saw, he
Speaker 4: ended up going down South and got bigger than ever
Speaker 4: and had another had a run down there. So no,
Speaker 4: I don't think that that was that was his idea.
Speaker 3: Okay, I always wondered that because he becomes world champion
Speaker 3: at wrestling, he eight, So this is you know, about
Speaker 3: three months later, he beats Ric Flair in another weird
Speaker 3: Miss Elizabeth storyline, which we kind of covered about the
Speaker 3: naked pictures of Miss Elizabeth. She's going through a lot
Speaker 3: of tough times in the end of ninety one and
Speaker 3: early ninety two. But yeah, he wins the world title
Speaker 3: and he even made He goes on to fight Warrior
Speaker 3: summersoninety two. You know, he Batchaman has a very good
Speaker 3: second run, and then they put him back on commentary
Speaker 3: ninety four. Then he leaves for w CW, becoming a
Speaker 3: multi time world champion. So you know again, the last
Speaker 3: time Jake in Macho Touch, at least on television is
Speaker 3: ar Rumble ninety two. They're in this roll rumble together
Speaker 3: Machum and even eliminates himself because he's going after Jake,
Speaker 3: and they change the rules of the rumble when they
Speaker 3: just take your just throws Macho Man back in and
Speaker 3: girdls like, oh, apparently you can't eliminate yourself. But years
Speaker 3: before that, Andre did eliminate himself. So it's just funny
Speaker 3: where if you watch enough of these, you're like, wait,
Speaker 3: are the rules changing or But it's also a storyline,
Speaker 3: so either way, one of the best you know out
Speaker 3: of the Survivors series ninety one and the King Kobra
Speaker 3: and Warrior leaving and getting fired like this gave us
Speaker 3: this amazing moment of a King Cobra and a woman
Speaker 3: being slapped in one storyline, And to me, that is
Speaker 3: amazing to.
Speaker 4: See and well stands up today.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna forever tell someone this if they ever
Speaker 3: tell me, wrap up.
Speaker 4: Up And you don't know that international sign.
Speaker 3: You don't know it, you don't know it? Come on, man, no, no,
Speaker 3: yeah it was. It was crazy though. It's just so
Speaker 3: funny I think that. But yes, that's great storyline. But
Speaker 3: also what's interesting about this pay per view is some
Speaker 3: of the matches. So Million Dollar Man in the Repo
Speaker 3: Man take on El Mattador, Tito Santana in Virgil. Now
Speaker 3: a lot of this is a continuation of what happened
Speaker 3: at Survivor Series. So Tiddy Biassi in Virgil or on
Speaker 3: opposite teams. Repo Man was not at Survivor Series, but
Speaker 3: El Mattador was. He was a replacement for someone on
Speaker 3: Team Hacksaw, Jim Duggan. So what do you think this
Speaker 3: match is put on? There? Just fill in the card
Speaker 3: with anybody, or we need a tag team match to
Speaker 3: feature two wrestlers to get you excited.
Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't make sense though, because and please, there's
Speaker 4: no knock against these guys. You know, I love them ball,
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: I love them too, love it.
Speaker 4: But buto man, which was kind of the Hamburglar, and
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, I just don't that. I'm
Speaker 4: glad that it kept very working. But yeah, and it
Speaker 4: wasn't like saying it's a bad tag team matchup. But
Speaker 4: as we saw with the Dark matches, there were some
Speaker 4: others that probably would have as far as marquee goes
Speaker 4: and drawing attention, would have played better. And also the
Speaker 4: placement of it, you know, right before the big one,
Speaker 4: to do something like that, and and so I never
Speaker 4: I've still and I was looking at that, you know,
Speaker 4: the card earlier and thinking that it's just the weirdest placement.
Speaker 4: And boy, there's a few there are a couple other
Speaker 4: on here in the dark that were would have been
Speaker 4: real good here. I mean when you love to have
Speaker 4: seen Flair and Piper before. Yes, so I'm kind of
Speaker 4: still astounded by it. You know, you know, we had
Speaker 4: the Ted Deboshi, you had the million Dollar Man. Of
Speaker 4: course Virgil that was going to explode eventually. Uh, and
Speaker 4: they and they gave them the chance to finish that storyline,
Speaker 4: and so there was something within that match, but it
Speaker 4: just as far as like putting that in there, it
Speaker 4: does it does kind of come off like, Okay, we
Speaker 4: need something to put in there. No, you know, so
Speaker 4: I really I don't. I don't. I don't understand it.
Speaker 4: But that's it was it time to was that kind
Speaker 4: of like intermission, like to get up and get like
Speaker 4: get more popcorn and soda. I I don't know. It's
Speaker 4: kind of a still a mystery to me how that
Speaker 4: how that was in the lineup the way it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again like Million Dollar Man in Virgil their storyline,
Speaker 3: this is the last time they touched too, because for
Speaker 3: the past year they have fought over the million Dollar Championship,
Speaker 3: they fought at they's not at all so in reality,
Speaker 3: like there's nothing left for Virgil and Million Dollar Man
Speaker 3: to do except have a match with Repo Man and
Speaker 3: Tito Santana. But you're right, like why couldn't we have
Speaker 3: gotten l O D versus natural disasters or the Rocker?
Speaker 3: Is honestly what Nasty Boys make sense because they were
Speaker 3: they were involved with each other at service series. So
Speaker 3: this again it's just the choice of some of these
Speaker 3: as in like the Icy Championship is on the line,
Speaker 3: Brett the Hitman Hart versus Skinner, they weren't involved in
Speaker 3: the same match either. Brett Hart has an issue with
Speaker 3: the MOUNTI we saw this, they talked about it and
Speaker 3: not here. Why not here?
Speaker 4: Though? Yeah, it doesn't And not that that was even
Speaker 4: a bad match either, because you know, she's pretty good
Speaker 4: actually was he was good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a good pretty.
Speaker 4: Good hand as they say, and uh, you know it was.
Speaker 4: It was a decent matchup too. But you know, I think,
Speaker 4: as we when you look at it though, what this
Speaker 4: really this pay per view was was the Jake uh
Speaker 4: Randy match and then uh and then the main event
Speaker 4: really so everything else was just kind of the filler
Speaker 4: on it. But as far as you know, some of
Speaker 4: those other matchups, they were, they were great, but I
Speaker 4: think they I think the focus and the attention they
Speaker 4: really won was on those matches, and of course that's
Speaker 4: that's basically what happened. You know. The the Jake and
Speaker 4: Macho Man match was really certainly delivered. My god, it was.
Speaker 4: It was great entertainment to watch. It was and then
Speaker 4: of course we had people laiting. They wanted to see
Speaker 4: the Hulkster get that goal back from.
Speaker 3: The man watch nine matches already, so now they got
Speaker 3: to wait four more.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, though, is British Bulldog and Worlord also fight
Speaker 3: on here and they hold a record for being in
Speaker 3: every single pay per view match together in nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: one Royal Rumble. They're in the same match one on
Speaker 3: one RESTMANU seven one on one, three on three match,
Speaker 3: Summer Slim ninety one Sarvice Series opposite teams four and four.
Speaker 3: And here we are this to the in Texas Bulldog
Speaker 3: versus Warlord.
Speaker 4: Great.
Speaker 3: I hate the only two people ever to pull this
Speaker 3: off in one year, So congratulations. If you didn't like it,
Speaker 3: well too bad. It's all in every single one. I
Speaker 3: just think that's a very interesting, weird fact to have
Speaker 3: between Bulldog and Warlord. But it's not these matches. Weren't
Speaker 3: people going I can't wait.
Speaker 4: To see this.
Speaker 3: But again, I do love powerhouses. I do love we
Speaker 3: lock hands and we pretend we're fighting each other. I
Speaker 3: like that for me, it's fun. But are you shocked
Speaker 3: that they fought in every single pay per view in
Speaker 3: ninety one, or yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Almost think that it was a plan. Let's do this
Speaker 4: and see if anybody really notices, you know, because you
Speaker 4: don't really have a reason for those two to be
Speaker 4: in the ring together going at it against each other.
Speaker 4: It didn't have any real serious storyline going on. But
Speaker 4: you know, I was Warlord was surprised me that he
Speaker 4: could work as well as he did because I don't
Speaker 4: know how he wiped his heinie actually that he was
Speaker 4: just so you know, I mean, he couldn't be at
Speaker 4: that time. I just reduced to marble because you know,
Speaker 4: you look at somebody like the Warrior and and just
Speaker 4: how you know, the cut that he had, it was
Speaker 4: just like a bodybuilder's. But Warlord was just like this.
Speaker 4: I mean, he was as gigantic as you. You didn't
Speaker 4: know where there was there's nothing else that could have
Speaker 4: been killed in those farms and stuff like that. But
Speaker 4: he could move, you know, he could move. And uh,
Speaker 4: those matches weren't terrible with those guys, I mean it
Speaker 4: was you know, and of course Davy boy was was
Speaker 4: great anyway, but they weren't. Those weren't terrible matches.
Speaker 3: No, I like his braided hair. This is the braided
Speaker 3: hair version of the Bulldog and.
Speaker 4: The dreads with the beats.
Speaker 3: Didn't mind him that it was a hurt like hell
Speaker 3: when he lands down on his head every time. But
Speaker 3: that was interesting. But yes, let's move on though it's
Speaker 3: the main event. It's Undertaker versus Whole Coogan, the world
Speaker 3: titles on the line, and for as long as I remembered,
Speaker 3: I would think, Okay, Undertaker wins this fibus series, he
Speaker 3: loses at this Tuesday in Texas.
Speaker 4: But when you.
Speaker 3: Research it turns out Taker on the house show circuit
Speaker 3: did defend the world title against the British Bulldog three
Speaker 3: different times. And if you go on YouTube, the WWE
Speaker 3: loaded one of the matches so you can actually watch
Speaker 3: the time Taker defended the title against Bulldog at one
Speaker 3: of these house shows. And it's very weird to think that.
Speaker 3: It just felt like you house shows didn't exist with
Speaker 3: television programming for a while. Results didn't add up. So
Speaker 3: were you aware of this, Like is this a common
Speaker 3: thing where we're hiding what's really happening on house shows?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they could do that. I think all those
Speaker 4: shows were in Canada too, so they weren't even in
Speaker 4: the US, and you know, they didn't have came, they
Speaker 4: didn't have you know, they didn't shoot these like some
Speaker 4: of these places would have, you know, television cameras because
Speaker 4: they had you know, kind of local operations. They did,
Speaker 4: but you know, some of those were never captured on video,
Speaker 4: which it wasn't like everybody even had a cell phone
Speaker 4: so you could do, you know, and these households to
Speaker 4: deliver once in a while, you had to be able
Speaker 4: to go out there and like have the belt actually
Speaker 4: on the line, you know, against a quality opponent, and
Speaker 4: so yeah, that's where you could do that. You know.
Speaker 4: The only way you ever really heard about these house
Speaker 4: shows is through the dirt sheets. You know, they'd have
Speaker 4: the guys there, then Meltzer would get the information and
Speaker 4: this is you know, guy went over and did this whatever.
Speaker 4: But you know, only the die hard wrestling fans had that,
Speaker 4: and it wasn't something you could put up. We didn't
Speaker 4: certainly have the networks we have now, the platforms of
Speaker 4: social media where you could put this stuff up. Basically
Speaker 4: you could if you wanted it, you could do it live.
Speaker 4: I mean, you could put that thing up right after
Speaker 4: it happened for the world to see and do that. So,
Speaker 4: as I mentioned before, it was it was a great
Speaker 4: way for them to put stuff out there and see
Speaker 4: how it worked, you know, to be basically rehearsals or
Speaker 4: whatever and say, okay, how are they going to how
Speaker 4: do they react to this one? And so it was
Speaker 4: the the you know, the guys on the road, the
Speaker 4: agents as we call them that they were also that
Speaker 4: was part of their job was to report back to
Speaker 4: headquarters and say, yeah, that that match really got over.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: They just loved it. It was a great way also
Speaker 4: to you know, send people out there were experimenting with
Speaker 4: a gimmick and see how the house reacts to it.
Speaker 4: I mean that's the real test is when you see
Speaker 4: people right there in person and they and they those
Speaker 4: guys had heard how crowds react their entire lives. They
Speaker 4: were very and tuned to it. So the fact that
Speaker 4: it's surprising though that you know, within six days or whatever,
Speaker 4: you've got you know, you've got the Warrior, I mean,
Speaker 4: the the Undertaker. It's three different shows, three you know,
Speaker 4: you know, he barely got a chance between traveling and
Speaker 4: getting the Arenas. That's probably that's it. And you know,
Speaker 4: he talks about why why he really didn't get a
Speaker 4: chance to see that survivorsers when he did the pile
Speaker 4: driver in the the chair of how it went down
Speaker 4: and see it on video where because he said, I
Speaker 4: when I was shown that show was over, I had
Speaker 4: to get I had to get out and had to
Speaker 4: be in Canada. I had shows that I had to
Speaker 4: do before I was going to go to Texas. So
Speaker 4: he didn't get a chance to really see it. And
Speaker 4: I'm sure you did the same thing I did. You
Speaker 4: kind of like looking when they go out there because
Speaker 4: at that point if having seen it, and then also
Speaker 4: I'm sure every all the guys are saying, you know,
Speaker 4: this is the way it is, this is what happened
Speaker 4: in you know, didn't even get close and as Mark
Speaker 4: says that his relationship with Hope was never the same
Speaker 4: after that, and you you can you you say over
Speaker 4: and over again, you know, like why why why do that?
Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that I'm referring to the
Speaker 4: Survivor series. You know, how Hope sold that and people,
Speaker 4: you know, talk about the man, you know, some of
Speaker 4: the reviews after that that Hope really put that over,
Speaker 4: you know, showing how fear that pile driver or that
Speaker 4: under that undertakers you know, moved there the finishing move
Speaker 4: that you know, how devastating it could be. Well when
Speaker 4: into a chair however it was. But you're also you know,
Speaker 4: Mark's concerned. Was I don't want to get the reputation
Speaker 4: out there that I hurt people. That was his fear,
Speaker 4: you know, And besides the fact that here I did,
Speaker 4: I you know, killed the golden goose here that Vince
Speaker 4: is gonna send me packing. So uh, you know, I
Speaker 4: was watching closely and you know, you like kind of
Speaker 4: look at that and say, how did how did that
Speaker 4: go out there? He's certainly a pro, but uh, you
Speaker 4: know he stileft the wonder of these days. What what
Speaker 4: was behind all that?
Speaker 3: Probably a lot of things, but we think we talked
Speaker 3: about on some harvisse here's any one where Hogan's not
Speaker 3: saying it's the headshot to the chair. It's the he
Speaker 3: had him so clenched up upside down that when he
Speaker 3: dropped him, his body you know, yeah, well spasm, but
Speaker 3: in reality it doesn't if you even watch it. I'm
Speaker 3: not Hogan, But also Hogan's a no liar. So I
Speaker 3: don't know which one.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll you know however that went down, but like
Speaker 4: I said, it was it certainly helped create the heat
Speaker 4: there that between that six days of you know, was
Speaker 4: Hulk going to the hospital? Is he going to be
Speaker 4: well enough to go in there to be able to
Speaker 4: to you know, to try and get his title back.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised there wasn't a little more of that going
Speaker 4: into it, but you know that it did what they
Speaker 4: intended it to do as far as getting the belt
Speaker 4: back to Hogan, although it was short lived, but you know,
Speaker 4: that's kind of the way they sold it. And as
Speaker 4: of that night anyway, the Hulkster had the strap back
Speaker 4: around his waist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the evil Jack Tunny by Ringside as well.
Speaker 3: So we had to make sure that he was going
Speaker 3: to lay down the law and he was going to
Speaker 3: be to make sure nothing goes wrong. But guess what
Speaker 3: things do go wrong? When Tony's around. Rick Flair comes
Speaker 3: out again and we have more shenanigans. No one's paying attention,
Speaker 3: and this time it's Hok Cogan who does a little cheating.
Speaker 3: And this is where an answer was brought up to everyone,
Speaker 3: what the hell's inside of the urn of the Undertaker
Speaker 3: because we didn't know we would hear rumors like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's the ashes of the deceased that he his victims.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, okay, or it's his parents. Uh it's ashes,
Speaker 3: or last night's barbecue, or or green smoke or years
Speaker 3: later a flashlight. There's a lot of things inside that eurn.
Speaker 3: It's like a giant purse, my wife's purser. You open there. Uh,
Speaker 3: this time it's ashes. Here gets ashes in the face
Speaker 3: that allows Hogan to pick up the win here and
Speaker 3: Hogan is the new champion. But again it's not the end. Like,
Speaker 3: if anything, this is a three parter and I'm not
Speaker 3: sure if we're gonna do it, but like this sets
Speaker 3: up Royal Rumble nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 4: It's all open.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, you couldn't. You couldn't let soever series be
Speaker 3: its own show. You couldn't let this Tuesday in Texas
Speaker 3: be it show. But at least on this one, they
Speaker 3: don't suddenly start announcing it the Royal Rumble. The world
Speaker 3: title will be on the line immediately. They wait for
Speaker 3: a few weeks.
Speaker 4: For that time, they didn't They didn't bring Tonny in
Speaker 4: the ring right away. And give them a microphone and say,
Speaker 4: after careful consideration and consultation, of course, the belt is
Speaker 4: now null and void. No one has it. We're going
Speaker 4: to put it.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be that we're rolling on into. So if
Speaker 3: you bought this pay per view and the other one,
Speaker 3: those didn't matter, this one matters. You should buy this one.
Speaker 3: This one would really matter, guys, seriously.
Speaker 4: Right, well, gotta sell. And Royal Rumble did pretty well.
Speaker 4: Oh still, yeah, I think it even did. I think
Speaker 4: it did a little better than Survivor Series ninety one.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the big four we're still well, sure, we're
Speaker 4: sure still rolling along despite you know, little hiccup there
Speaker 4: trying to do this other event, sneaking this other one
Speaker 4: in there and seeing what reaction they were going to get.
Speaker 4: But it also you got to give credit to the
Speaker 4: WWE that they were experimenting with all different kinds of
Speaker 4: ways to to bring this action to the folks and
Speaker 4: pay per view. However they were going to do it,
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, and they kept experimenting. This was
Speaker 4: one that didn't work. But as we've seen, look how
Speaker 4: many events we have now where you know, to me,
Speaker 4: that would have been insane to think we're going to
Speaker 4: do on every month, like, oh my god, because it
Speaker 4: was to me the season was tough enough. And then
Speaker 4: you know where we just go through the four and
Speaker 4: then Wrestle Meeting and then you know, now it's that,
Speaker 4: you know Monday we start all that, we start all
Speaker 4: over again, that it was a different time back then.
Speaker 3: I know, it's so weird to think, but again, I
Speaker 3: think we brought up at the beginning, like why wouldn't
Speaker 3: why couldn't you wait a little bit, Why couldn't you
Speaker 3: wait for a month, two weeks, three weeks? Have your
Speaker 3: other shows be allowed to be part of the production,
Speaker 3: the merchandise, the selling point of this, You and Gene
Speaker 3: selling this for weeks on end, and I don't. It's
Speaker 3: just so bizarre to think, why do it so fast?
Speaker 3: Why do it so quick? And I can't really think
Speaker 3: of a reason. I can't be the reason of oh,
Speaker 3: well we got to get to take or the title
Speaker 3: off taker because Hogan's upset. That can't be real. Because
Speaker 3: you sided to the start of Starvicera's any One was
Speaker 3: promoting this Tuesday in Texas with Jake and Macho, so
Speaker 3: obviously you already had plans for all this happening, so
Speaker 3: that rumor can't be real in my eyes. The reasoning
Speaker 3: of having it six days later I can't honestly figure out.
Speaker 3: Because we've talked about Vince being a genius when it
Speaker 3: comes to promotion. But why, in your personal opinion, you know,
Speaker 3: you've been in the business, you've done other things. Why
Speaker 3: have it so close?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: I don't care that it happened again because I'm as
Speaker 3: a wrestling fan it was cool more wrestling, But why
Speaker 3: as a business and a promoter, why six days? Why
Speaker 3: so close?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: I think, as we've talked about for that, it was
Speaker 4: a timely thing and they wanted to see can we
Speaker 4: build momentum and then act on it quickly and see
Speaker 4: with the same you know, instead of letting it burn
Speaker 4: or let it or having to keep building it. Can
Speaker 4: we can we capitalize on a momentum that we've started
Speaker 4: right here and then pay it off quickly, which that
Speaker 4: happens all the time. Now, Steve, now you can do
Speaker 4: it now. They don't wait, And I to me, I've
Speaker 4: said before, you know that I don't like that as
Speaker 4: much because I used to. I used to love the
Speaker 4: way that they could actually have time to build characters
Speaker 4: and actually have time to build the storyline for weeks
Speaker 4: and weeks and weeks to where you just couldn't wait
Speaker 4: to see it all play out. But as we've seen,
Speaker 4: it's very acceptable today to do that to get more
Speaker 4: of these quick payoffs. And I think you know, they
Speaker 4: were along thinking along the lines of, Okay, let's let's
Speaker 4: have the ability to do this, that we can build
Speaker 4: something quickly and then maybe it's not it's not a
Speaker 4: three month payoff, it's it's a week payoff, and and
Speaker 4: it's maybe it's a quick way for us to turn
Speaker 4: it around and we could bring somebody else into this
Speaker 4: and then catapult this into another you know situation, because
Speaker 4: you know, we we had we had seen these guys
Speaker 4: working together before whatever with a Jake and Rany whatever,
Speaker 4: and and you can could wrap stuff up and then uh,
Speaker 4: pay it off a week later there that you've done that,
Speaker 4: and then boom, you got something else to go on,
Speaker 4: and then maybe that is a three month build up whatever.
Speaker 4: But it gave them a different option, and I think
Speaker 4: they were just trying to see, uh if this would work,
Speaker 4: and it didn't work enough, it didn't work well enough
Speaker 4: for them to feel that Yeah, this is something we
Speaker 4: should start doing, do it more often. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The only thing I think of after listening to you
Speaker 3: was the Saturday Night's Main event that when NBC canceled
Speaker 3: their contract and they had to move off Fox for
Speaker 3: a few episodes and then didn't. They weren't on prime
Speaker 3: time on NBC for at least fifteen twenty years, So
Speaker 3: this was like the end of all those options is
Speaker 3: maybe like, oh, maybe Jake and Macha Man can boost
Speaker 3: our ratings up for this event and then we can
Speaker 3: get a bigger contract with NBC again or Fox. We
Speaker 3: can build that up again. We'll use this event to
Speaker 3: do that. I have no idea, but we talked about
Speaker 3: Ustpinny and nine I think before where it's like, maybe
Speaker 3: we can use this event to show the world, Hey,
Speaker 3: look what we can do. We can do other things
Speaker 3: like Permarning, boxing, reporting the UFC. Honestly, I don't understand
Speaker 3: the reasoning, but just to show you that you can
Speaker 3: do it is a little strange in my eyes, because
Speaker 3: vincck man if I feel like it's not someone who
Speaker 3: just does something like that. He around this time, he
Speaker 3: has a plan, he has an execution, he has an
Speaker 3: idea and maybe this was the idea and you need
Speaker 3: to go with it because it's vinsic man and you
Speaker 3: know he wants to do what he wants to do.
Speaker 3: But in reality, though we've talked about some officers and anyone,
Speaker 3: we talked about this Tuesay in Texas. For you personally,
Speaker 3: these two events, you were involved with both of them.
Speaker 3: The highlight for you though, is obviously the Macho Man
Speaker 3: promo here with you and him, because it's a monumental
Speaker 3: moment and if anyone should watch something, it should be
Speaker 3: that moment. Correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well, and also just that that whole storyline,
Speaker 4: how they pull it off, and the genius of Jake,
Speaker 4: who wasn't original, He didn't you know, everybody had their
Speaker 4: own way they delivered things. Randy of course had his,
Speaker 4: but Jake was a whole different animal. I mean, his
Speaker 4: whole thing was that slow burned you know, I'm thinking
Speaker 4: last you know, and you're just like, oh wow, he
Speaker 4: just sucked you right in. You want to hear every word,
Speaker 4: and I believed it. You believe everything he was saying.
Speaker 4: Whatever he thinks he was some sick jerk or whatever
Speaker 4: he was, but man, he was intense. That's so that
Speaker 4: whole storyline. But of course, yeah, that you get a
Speaker 4: chance to check out that promo and now you know,
Speaker 4: now you know the behind it, behind the scenes on this.
Speaker 4: Uh that I hope it makes it even more more
Speaker 4: interesting for you to take a look at. But just
Speaker 4: really a masterclass between the two of them, two of
Speaker 4: the best of the business ever, uh and cutting promos.
Speaker 4: I hope some of the new guys, you know, go
Speaker 4: back and take a look at some of these guys
Speaker 4: because they were they were masters at it, and uh,
Speaker 4: it's it's really it's really great to go to go
Speaker 4: and and that I'm enjoying this so much going back
Speaker 4: as I'm doing deep dives into some of this stuff,
Speaker 4: and I because I I forget a lot of them.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wow, wow, wo fantasy, real history.
Speaker 3: Then Wie