WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:01.600 It's a golden name. 2 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:09.599 Tellie go to the Night the Fantasy sat in Louisial 3 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:13.759 History the gold and tell you. 4 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:17.239 On today's tuition, we're continuing the journey here on the 5 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:20.039 Golden Era Podcast with Sean Mooney. We're talking about this 6 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:23.079 Tuesday in Texas. Sean, how you doing today? 7 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:26.679 I'm doing great. I'm glad we're doing this episode almost 8 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:31.800 to the day of the distance between Survivors Series ninety 9 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:34.840 one and then this Tuesday in Texas because they wanted 10 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:38.240 it to be this timely event that you could not miss. 11 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:42.200 And you know, the name This Tuesday in Texas because 12 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:45.679 up to this point we've had ro rumble, We've got WrestleMania, 13 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:49.479 summersem Survivor series his traditional names, we love them so 14 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:53.840 much in nineteen ninety one, This Tuesday in Texas. Now, 15 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:56.960 according to Bruce Pritchett, the name is because the urgency 16 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.280 of it. It's this Tuesday, you can't miss it today day? 17 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:03.799 And where is it? It's in Texas? 18 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:05.280 What do you need to know? 19 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:08.359 Like, what do you think of the name, because. 20 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:11.400 This Tuesday in Texas, Hulk gets his belt back. 21 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:15.319 You know, I mean, we didn't say that. What do 22 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:19.079 you think was going to happen like this Monday in Minnesota. 23 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.239 Like I don't know. It's just weird to think that 24 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:23.640 you would just be okay, Well, the urgency of the 25 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:26.239 name to tell you when it is and where it's 26 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:28.280 going to be. I don't give a ship. I'm sorry, 27 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:31.159 where wrestling is going to be? Yes, I need to 28 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:33.519 know when it airs, but I can't. I don't. I 29 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:35.400 don't care that it's going to be in Texas. It 30 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:39.079 just sounds. Uh, it sounds I guess a nice tagline 31 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:41.560 to put it this Tuesday in Texas, Oh those teas. 32 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:44.040 But I don't know about this name. I don't think 33 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.519 anyone's ever accepted this name. What did you think of 34 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:46.959 the name? 35 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.879 Well? As uh, you know we've been talking about with this, 36 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:53.200 this was kind of an experiment all the way around. 37 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:55.920 Uh you know, could you would with something with that 38 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:00.359 kind of urgency work? Uh? You know what? People be 39 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.040 willing to pay money within a few days to follow 40 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.879 and being able to follow up and take a storyline 41 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:09.080 a little bit further with this urgency will leave you 42 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.360 kind of hanging, so will you come back right away? 43 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.719 And so using a title like that was also just 44 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.639 let's see how people react to it, you know, overall, 45 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.159 and we'll get into the weeds on it later. But 46 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:28.240 it didn't necessarily work very well because, as we know, 47 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:32.120 the buy rate was lower, people had paid less. But 48 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:34.840 at the same time, you know that measurement is not 49 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.719 necessarily what how much money you made on is how 50 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:40.240 many people a percentage of the people that have the 51 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.400 ability to bring a pay per view into their home 52 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:47.000 are actually paying to see it. And that's what it 53 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.599 came down to. And as we saw other Fiber series, 54 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:53.000 ninety one was two point one something like that, and 55 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.199 this Tuesday in Texas was half of that. So it 56 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.120 was disappointing in that sense, but the whole thing was 57 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.360 really just to see, let's see what happens. Can we 58 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:06.560 can we pull this off? And is it something we 59 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:07.840 want to start doing in the future. 60 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:10.560 But why not have this in December? Like why do 61 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:12.879 you have to do this six days later? I think 62 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:16.319 people would have paid more if this was Hey, in December, 63 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:19.639 we're gonna have because in December I think eighty nine, 64 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.560 the WWF did the match the movie they had No 65 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.039 Holds Barred and then a marquee match with Bruce beef 66 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:28.960 Cake and Hogan versus Zeus and mach him and in 67 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.319 a steel cage. They did that before in December. Why 68 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:35.439 not now why try to push six days? Why only 69 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:39.599 use Survivors Sais? You could have used Primetime Superstars Wrestling Challenge. 70 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.759 I'm very curious to know why you would think it 71 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:45.360 needs to be in six days? Like why the urgency? 72 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:46.000 Do you think? 73 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:49.159 Well? I think that they felt they could I don't 74 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.080 want to say waste one. But it was a chance 75 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.120 for them to see does it will this work? Imagine 76 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:56.960 you know, imagine what goes into promoting an event, and 77 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.560 it's and especially when we would do you know, for 78 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:03.159 the four Big Ones then and we would spend months 79 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:07.159 and months promoting it at a pretty good cost of 80 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:13.199 doing this necessarily, and they wanted to see, Okay, do 81 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:15.840 we need all of that promotion? Can we just build 82 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:19.480 the momentum and then act on it quickly instead of 83 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:21.639 having to do it for say, and like you said, 84 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:23.240 they could have waited a month. That would have been 85 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.560 kind of unprecedented. Too. Here they're doing a pay per 86 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:27.519 view a month later, you know, the same thing as 87 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:32.800 you mentioned to see and it was overall a failed 88 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:35.160 experiment in sense because then they didn't end up doing 89 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:39.439 another one for over a decade later, so obviously it 90 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.560 wasn't the results that they wanted to see. 91 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.920 Yeah, I'm just surprised. Like I know, the Tuesday concept 92 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:46.879 is always brought up as, oh, it was a Tuesday, 93 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.360 like we usually have pay per views on Mondays. I'm sorry, 94 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:51.040 I don't think the date had anything to do with it. 95 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.319 I think it's the fact that it was so quick. 96 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:57.360 But again, you still made money, you still put on 97 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:01.079 a show, because the thing with this is you paid 98 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:04.959 to see this event this Tuesday. In sexist you get 99 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:07.439 nine dark matches on this show. 100 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:12.319 Yeah, nine and not and not bad ones, not all, 101 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:14.240 I mean all. They were pretty good matches. Some of them. 102 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:17.000 I would have liked to have seen the same part 103 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.639 of the pay per view event, which we'll we'll talk about. 104 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:23.319 It's just funny to think where I guess everyone who 105 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:26.160 only watched a pay per view. Like I said, I'm 106 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:27.879 doing the same thing. I'm taking the name and going 107 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.600 why the name? Why these matches? Why? Six days? But 108 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:33.920 if you bought a ticket, you got a show, because 109 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:38.800 you got Legion of Doom versus the Rockers and one 110 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:41.399 of the last appearances of the Rockers as a tag 111 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.839 team because they're next up airing on Superstars in a 112 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.600 few weeks after that would be the Barbershop Window. You know, 113 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.639 you have Rick Flavors as Rowdy Roddy Piper. 114 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.600 Yeah, yeah, I don't know how that one was a 115 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.240 part of it. And then you know, we end up 116 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:00.879 getting you know them and you know and and and 117 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.160 really I love those guys. I'm saying, you give me 118 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:05.160 a choice and I get to see Rick Flair take 119 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:09.839 on Roddy Piper. But that yes, I'm in I know it. 120 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:13.319 But also you met you know, these matches were uh, 121 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.399 I'm not bad at all. I mean, because you had 122 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:20.519 other guys that would were rising up. I mean, you know, 123 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:23.439 Charles Wright was in there, Sir Charles was one of 124 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:27.319 these matches, one of his early matches with the w 125 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:31.360 W E. Chris Chavis, who you know is the Tanka. 126 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:33.720 So yeah, if you showed up that night, and I 127 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:36.839 think about what eight thousand people showed up, you got 128 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:39.600 a hell of a show really and overall as a 129 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:42.839 show itself, as a house show, it wasn't a bad deal. 130 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:46.680 And uh, you know, and as far as the pay 131 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:49.600 per view went, when with with the you know, the 132 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:54.879 Jake and Randy maybe not the greatest match in itself, 133 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.000 but the storyline of that was just tremendous, which I 134 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:02.720 really want to get into. And Brett Hart and Skinner 135 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:08.800 was not a bad matchup, so overall as an event itself, 136 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:10.720 it wasn't bad at all. It gets a lot. I 137 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:14.199 think it gets trashed a lot because of well, as 138 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:17.519 we mentioned, the way they turn this thing around and 139 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:21.199 basically made it take a commercial venture all the way around. 140 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:25.120 But that's why they're in business is to make money, 141 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:27.720 and they're going to find different ways to make that happen. 142 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:30.480 And I'm going to read down the card really quick. 143 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:32.839 It's the Harris Brothers having a tryout and the w 144 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:35.079 W ron in Don Harris. They were eventually the DOA. 145 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.839 They were Jacob and Eli Blue obviously the Harris brothers 146 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.639 as well Sir Charles you said the Godfather, Papa Shango 147 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:45.959 and Brian Lee, who had actually become the fake Undertaker 148 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:49.199 in the Undertaker was Undertaker in nine ten NY four storyline, 149 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:53.120 so ton because Greg Valentine defeats Brooklyn Brawler, the Nasty 150 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.519 Boys take on the Bushwhackers, leads to Doom then fights 151 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:00.560 the Rockers and then Legion to Doom Fights the Natural Disasters, 152 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:02.480 back to back matches. 153 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:05.279 Why right Lesion. 154 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:08.120 Du Rous Rockers. First I saw Piper versus Flann I 155 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:10.160 was like, all right, that's pretty impressive. Then I was like, wait, 156 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:13.720 Lesion of dovers for Rockers? When did we ever see 157 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.120 that on television? And why isn't it on television? 158 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:19.839 Exactly? Did you know? You really you look at the like, 159 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:23.319 holy crap, it would have been if they put these 160 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.680 matches on maybe it would have been you know, people 161 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.879 and what they paid for they had to pay for 162 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.199 pay per view wise half to what they paid for 163 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:34.600 Survivor series. And so if you know, even if they 164 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:36.399 would have put three or four more of these matches 165 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:38.120 on there, people would have stuck around. The whole thing 166 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:40.080 was only on for an hour and a half as 167 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:43.159 a pay per view event. Give people the. 168 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.440 Option by the whole thing or buy a half. 169 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:48.960 Yeah, And then and then you think about it, because 170 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:51.960 of course I was involved doing the Coliseum home videos 171 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:55.159 and I was thinking back, you know, looking at that 172 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:56.720 card that I'm like, this is going to make a 173 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:59.600 hell of a tape. And then they never even did 174 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:02.159 they it. It became part of I think Super Tape 175 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:06.039 two or something like that where it was. There was 176 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:09.799 not a Colisseum home video called This Tuesday in Texas, 177 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:12.320 which I meant, I said, at least, at the very least, 178 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:16.440 we're gonna have this great coliseum video. Didn't happen. That's 179 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:17.519 a big question. Why not? 180 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.440 That is a weird question, because you are right, there's 181 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:25.440 a VHS release of everything wrestumating at eight over a series. 182 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:28.360 You guys had so many super tape superstar tapes like 183 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:30.679 you had a million different things. But yes, this does 184 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:35.679 not get a Colisseum video release. It's called WWF Super 185 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:40.600 Tape ninety two. And on the cover on the bottom, 186 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:42.559 if you have the tape on the bottom, it just 187 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:46.440 a little print, you know, the full cord of This 188 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.320 Tuesday and Texas. I'm thinking, didn't the world title change 189 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:55.440 hands at this event? If anything, let's put that out front. 190 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.399 That should be the cover of this VHS tape. It's not. 191 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:00.879 I think it's Brett Hard great. I love Brett Hart, 192 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:02.600 But why no release? 193 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:04.840 Do you think it's a great It is a great 194 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:09.919 mystery because maybe at the at the time they viewed 195 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.120 it as a failure, or because they didn't get the 196 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.360 numbers that they were expecting and just kind of buried it. 197 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:19.519 I don't know, but I remember, I do. I just 198 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:22.039 think remember thinking this is at the very least, this 199 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:25.919 is is going to make a great Coliseum home video. 200 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.320 I mean, could be one of the best. When you 201 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.200 look at those dark matches, and then as you mentioned, 202 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.679 the title changes hands. You have this unbelievable story on 203 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:40.519 going on between Macho Man, Randy Savage and Jake the 204 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:45.039 Snake Roberts. It was everything you could ask for. I 205 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:47.960 mean it was if you, as you said, if you 206 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:49.919 were lucky enough to be there that night, you've got 207 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:52.000 a hell of a show. He really did. 208 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:55.879 Yeah, all right, I pulled up the super tape card. 209 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:58.679 This is what's on the tape. You have leading to Doom, 210 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:02.200 Big Boss Man, the Anvil versus Earthquake, the Mounty and 211 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:06.399 the Nasty Boys. You have an IC Championship matches Brett 212 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:10.279 Harper's Irs, Greg the Hammer, Valentine versus The Undertaker, and 213 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:13.559 just a one on one match super Fly Jimmy Snooker 214 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:19.600 versus Undertaker. Then the actual this Tuesday and Texas card starts. 215 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.960 You have all the matches in a row and the 216 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:26.600 last match is the world title. So yeah, they just 217 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:29.080 threw in three extra matches when you could have given 218 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.879 us Piper and Flair, l O D versus The Rockers 219 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:36.639 and Nasty Boys versus the Bushwhackers. And I think that 220 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.600 would have been the same exact tape, except you didn't 221 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:41.679 have to re air those old matches because you already 222 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:43.039 had a whole pay per view for a VH just 223 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:43.759 type release. 224 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:48.639 Yeah. Well, I think overall, when you think about capitalizing 225 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:52.080 on everything that they captured that day that Tuesday. 226 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.320 Uh where wherehere is it the event? I'm sorry, I Antonio, 227 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.559 Oh okay, this's Texas right this Tuesday in Texas. Yeah, 228 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:00.559 I sort to make. 229 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:02.639 Sure because you didn't forget, did you. 230 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.679 Nope, the urgency was there, and I knew exactly where 231 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:08.679 it was going to be, and I knew what day 232 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:09.639 it was going. 233 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:12.840 I don't know why when I would stick in your mind, 234 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:13.639 but okay. 235 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:17.519 Yeah, it's it's all there this pay per view. You know, 236 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:19.559 we could break down a match by match, but really, 237 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:21.519 I think one of the biggest things, and I really 238 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.600 want to dive headfirst into it right now, is the 239 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.679 Randy Savage, Jake the Snake Roberts storyline, because when you 240 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.720 think of WWF storylines, you know, put the F back in, 241 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:37.279 there's only a few that you go, how did this happen? 242 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:41.720 We have a King Cobra moment, we have women being slapped, 243 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:44.919 we have Warrior leaving which sets up this match and 244 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:48.600 storyline and reinstating. Before we get into all that, like 245 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:51.559 where do you land on the Randy Savage, Jake the 246 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:55.600 Snake Roberts as a rivalry in the WWF lore Because 247 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:57.720 to me, it's gotta be one or two. 248 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:02.399 Yeah, it is one of the one of the greatest storylines. 249 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:05.440 The only reason it wouldn't be for me, you know, 250 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:08.440 top three or whatever, is because it was stunted. It 251 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:14.480 kind of got shut down because of all the I 252 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.039 guess you could say controversy surrounding it. There was, It 253 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:21.960 was a lot to it. But you hear Jake talk 254 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:25.039 about it, and you know, you've heard all these different 255 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:29.240 stories about the slap that of course is the one 256 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:33.679 basically heard around the world of professional wrestling forever. And 257 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:37.879 you talk about the timing of it when it happened. 258 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.440 You certainly couldn't get away with even thinking about doing 259 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:46.720 something like that today. But you know, it was people 260 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.240 talk about how you know that Randy agreed to this. 261 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:54.279 Jake even says he came up with the idea. And 262 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.679 you know, Jake was very hesitant about it, not just 263 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:02.440 for how it would be perceived, and you know, people 264 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:04.720 thinking crossing the line and that whole thing. And he 265 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.360 you know, said that guy strikes a woman asn't much 266 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:12.440 of a man. He's said that many times. But he said, 267 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:15.360 you know, this is how we work back then. And 268 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:16.879 he said, and if I'm going to do it, I 269 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:18.840 gotta i gotta lay it in a bit to make 270 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:21.879 sure it's believable. And you've heard stories you know how 271 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:24.200 Randy thought he made it look too real and he 272 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:26.600 was out of his mind. Well, Jake says, no, you know, 273 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:30.440 Randy had no problem with it. The problem that he 274 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:35.360 says is that Elizabeth's family went crazy. Her parents and 275 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:39.320 and her grandparents, uh just thought it was way way 276 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.039 over the line. And uh to the point where you know, 277 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.720 Jake says that that Randy for a time wasn't welcome 278 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.480 in their homes and it was like a major family 279 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:51.759 and and so he he said that, you know, he 280 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:53.679 believed that that thing should have gone, that should have 281 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.919 gone all the way to WrestleMania. This storyline was just tremendous, 282 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:01.000 and but that it was kind of shut down because 283 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:04.639 of all that. That was the heat that was surrounding it. 284 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:09.039 And on the personal side for Randy with with family matters, 285 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.080 Now we'll never know. From the other side of Randy, 286 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:17.320 I I don't remember it being that those issues. I 287 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.639 never heard about him having problems with the family. But 288 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:24.240 I knew that that he was okay with it. Nothing 289 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:27.799 really would ever happen in that ring involving Elizabeth unless 290 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:31.919 he signed off on it. And so I don't I 291 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:33.679 don't think that was the issue. I think it made 292 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:35.519 it sounds for a great story to say that he 293 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.159 went out of his mind, because you know, Jake made 294 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.399 it look too real. I mean, come on, these guys 295 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.759 know how to work. We saw the bump that Elizabeth 296 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:49.960 took it with the whole Coogan episode, and so she 297 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.440 knew that and and and in many ways, you know, 298 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.039 Elizabeth welcomed getting in there. You know, she didn't want 299 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:59.559 to just be the pretty little thing standing at ringside 300 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:01.360 all the time. She knew that at some point that's 301 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:03.200 gonna wear out. Help you know, you know, you got 302 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:05.320 to get get get your hands dirty a little bit, 303 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:09.879 and she was all for it, and uh, you know, 304 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:14.879 uh Sherry talks about it, the incident where Sherry slaps 305 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.720 her and and uh you know where Elizabeth delivers you know, 306 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:22.360 her receipt whoever, but uh, she you know, Sherry was 307 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:24.799 very hesitant about it, and Elizabeth Knight like, no, you know, 308 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:29.720 laid in there, you know where. She was totally into it. 309 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:32.879 So I don't think that that was an issue either. 310 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:36.679 So it was I I think it was a great storyline, 311 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:39.120 is your original question here. I just think it was 312 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:41.000 stunted a bit. It could have gone a lot further. 313 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:44.120 And then we should also talk about some of the 314 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:49.120 greatest promos ever cut for this this event and also 315 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.759 just the storyline because two of the best, Jake Roberts 316 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:55.720 and Randy Savage, and they were on the top of 317 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:59.600 their game, uh for this, for this storyline. It was 318 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:03.320 just fantastic, some of their best work ever ever. 319 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:05.720 Oh yeah, no, I think it's That's why I said 320 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:07.559 it's either top you know, one or two. And I 321 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:10.599 think before we move on about anything involved the storyline, 322 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:13.079 the parents and his family, the family of Miss Elizabeth, 323 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.960 I could see one reason of it looks so real, 324 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:19.039 not the slap. At one point, Jake is holding her 325 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:21.880 up here by I guess her hair, and he is 326 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.480 screaming and pointing, and he is looking very you know, 327 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:28.599 very heelish, and that's what he's doing here. He's a 328 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.039 bad guy, and it looks so real so that when 329 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.920 he eventually he does strike her in the ring. I'll 330 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:36.880 be honest, you see the strike. You've watched enough wrestling, 331 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:38.519 You've seen enough hits. You know, you look at that 332 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:40.279 and go, wow, you really held back on that. Good 333 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:43.519 for him. But yet the family seeing this, and I 334 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:46.640 think they're so emotionally caught up in all the he's 335 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:49.440 belittling her, he's screaming at her. There's a King Kobra 336 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:51.799 like a few weeks ago. Like, there's a lot of 337 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:54.440 layers to this, And if you're not I guess clued 338 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:56.799 into what the hell's happening backstage and in front of 339 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.920 the camera, maybe maybe you could uh start freaking out. 340 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:02.720 But as you said, we talked about the mega powers 341 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:05.680 exploding on an episode maybe like seven episodes ago, and 342 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:09.119 Macho Mann's giant butt lands on her face and she 343 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.160 gets crushed on the outside, and I'd never heard a 344 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:13.640 story about the family being upset about that. 345 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:14.720 This is no no. 346 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:19.039 But I also think and as you said, the slap, 347 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:21.359 I mean, Jake is a professional, it's it's the same 348 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:24.720 as how they do with punches and everything. But I 349 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:30.240 think it was more more the perception of her mistreatment 350 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:32.640 as a woman. I think that that had a lot 351 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:37.279 to do with it. And as I said, it was 352 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:39.559 a different time. It was a different time when you 353 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:43.319 could could follow these storylines. I mean, Randy's whole thing 354 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:52.119 was being this overpowering, domineering character over Elizabeth and control freak, 355 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.480 and that was the character so and wasn't the nicest. 356 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:01.640 Was mistreated Elizabeth on many ass right in front of 357 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:05.960 the television camera. So it was that that whole atmosphere 358 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:12.400 was something that was professional wrestling. But as you know, 359 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:14.680 Jake was sensitive to it. It was a time where 360 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:16.400 he didn't want to be known as somebody who would 361 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:20.319 strike a woman. But it was part of the storyline 362 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:24.119 and it certainly heated things up. But I mentioned those 363 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:26.960 promos and I people go back. You can find him 364 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.119 on YouTube. And one thing I want to mention too is, 365 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:32.680 you know, try and find that slap now on YouTube. Steve. 366 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:35.559 You could see how the WWE is very sensitive to 367 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:37.440 it because you can see that the end of that 368 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.039 match has got clips of it too, but no slap, 369 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:43.920 so very very even, very very sensitive to it today. 370 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.079 But getting back to the promo, Oh my god, you 371 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:51.440 know Jake. Let's start with Jake and the promos that 372 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:55.799 he had for this and just just such awesome when 373 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:58.400 he talks about, you know, I came into this world 374 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:03.200 and basically innocent, and thank you Jack Tunney for educating me, 375 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:05.720 because when I came into as well, I couldn't lie, 376 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:08.039 I couldn't cheat, I couldn't steal, and you taught me 377 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.359 all of that, you know. And then he gets into that, 378 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:12.480 and then when we get into the whole thing about 379 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:16.039 with him man handling Elizabeth, and he's like, oh yeah, 380 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:19.640 and then when I felt then I felt it down 381 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.960 down my back, you know, the you know, basically saying 382 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.000 the power I had over this woman, and you're like, Holy, 383 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.440 this guy, I mean, all the best of the best 384 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:32.319 in his burn that slow burned, the way he delivered 385 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:35.440 stuff and so good. I mean, you believed every word 386 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:38.720 that's coming out of his mouth. So, you know, Jake, 387 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:44.920 one of the best and it's he he had a 388 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:47.680 great career. I just don't know why he wasn't at 389 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:50.640 the peak of everything for as long as that ride 390 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:53.119 was because he was. It was just so good and 391 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:57.440 uh and and great, a great ring performer. So it's 392 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.640 uh to me, he's he's right up there, one of 393 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:03.039 the best step and especially when it came to cutting promos, 394 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:04.160 My god, Oh. 395 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:05.400 He was a he was a genius. 396 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:05.680 Yeah. 397 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:08.519 It's funny you say that the Bulls promo because after 398 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:10.559 he hits her in the promo of it airs, it 399 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.680 really seems like he got off on slapping her, and 400 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.279 you're like, oh my god, dude, what is this guy's 401 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:19.759 really feeling this? More so than es he's happy to 402 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:20.160 be here. 403 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:24.640 He's that kind of like, yeah, that's good stuff my back. 404 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:28.359 Yeah, oh Jay please you sick. 405 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:35.359 But you believed them, Oh my god, you believed him right. 406 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:38.559 Oh, I was all in on this Jake to Snake Roberts, 407 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:41.200 especially that you know that don't trust me version of him. 408 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.960 This one he's like, trust me, trust brother, And uh. 409 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:48.000 It's quite interesting that how we even got here in 410 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:50.920 the first place, because we did a whole episode about it. 411 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:54.759 Ultimate Warrior gets fired from the w WF in nineteen 412 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:58.400 he one Summer Slam. While that is going on backstage 413 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.640 on television, we're seeing j and Warrior setting up a 414 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:05.279 storyline for them where Jake's helping Warrior become darker to 415 00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:08.480 fight the Undertaker. Well, Warrior is out, Well we're gonna 416 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.440 have to go to Macha Man's wedding, where we have 417 00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:13.559 to go to reception. We're out of nowhere. Jake now 418 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:16.480 doesn't like Macho Man and he has an Undertaker by 419 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:18.799 his side, which sets us all up. And it's very 420 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:21.680 interesting to think that because of Warrior leaving, we got 421 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:27.000 this amazing storyline in promos, and because it's not just 422 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:28.720 a normal thing man like you. We're talking about a 423 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.240 woman being slapped, and then before that we had a 424 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:35.519 King Kobra bite a man's arm that wouldn't let go. 425 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:38.599 We don't just have one amazing moment, we have two. 426 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:41.200 Just thinking off the top of my head of those 427 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:45.559 types of things, what do you How did Jake do feel? 428 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:48.119 How does Jake feel about all this? Because I've interviewed 429 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:50.599 before about this and he feels like Warrior leaving really 430 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:54.000 effed up him becoming world champion. Jake says he was 431 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:56.799 supposed to become world champion. I don't know where though, 432 00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:59.519 maybe he's supposed to be an integer spot, I don't know. 433 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:02.400 But yet he was supposed to be a world champion 434 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:06.759 and have a storyline with Warrior. It doesn't happen, doesn't materialize. 435 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:10.599 And then after this storyline, the finish of Jake in 436 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:14.039 Macho is at Saturday Night's main event before We're rumble, 437 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:17.200 and then that's it. Jake's out after Usmania eight. Boom boom, 438 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:18.000 boom boom, We're out. 439 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:24.000 Yeah, and an unfortunate series of circumstances, I think is 440 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.480 the way we can basically lay it all out here, 441 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:31.119 because Jake has mentioned that many times that that run 442 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:34.599 with Warrior would have been a huge payday for him. 443 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.400 He think that that cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars, 444 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:42.200 if not more. And then of course you get this 445 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:46.039 great storyline going which he plays to the tee and does, 446 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:49.039 you know, does everything you could possibly want to do 447 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:52.400 to sell it and making it hot as ever that 448 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.680 heat was just off the charts. And then as I said, 449 00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.279 then there's other things come in. Well, we really don't 450 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.480 want to keep going far forward with this for whatever reason, 451 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:04.960 whether it's family or heat from the outside of people 452 00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:08.319 saying of using a woman or whatever it is, and 453 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:11.519 that gets shut down. So you know, Jake loses them 454 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:16.160 both counts of these runs, and it's it's just unfortunate 455 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:19.119 because you know, the two of them working together were 456 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:23.559 so good. We talked about Jake's promos, Randy's were just 457 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:29.039 as good when it came to emotions and what were 458 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:33.519 what was running in this storyline where was just tremendous 459 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:35.960 of me. Here he is, you know, he's supposed to 460 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:38.519 be the protector of his woman and he couldn't even 461 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:43.480 do that. He's incapacitated in the ring, and Jake basically 462 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:46.279 has him where he can do whatever he wants to 463 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:50.160 him and does all the you know three ddts that 464 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:54.079 just knock him completely just out, and then this woman 465 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.559 had to come over and cover and try and save him, 466 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:00.839 and then she gets slapped by this guy. And his 467 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:03.319 promo before that match was great. But I'll tell you 468 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.440 I had the privilege of being the one who interviewed 469 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:09.960 him backstage for that one, and Steeve, I've I've mentioned 470 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.400 this one before, and to me, it is that that 471 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:16.759 interview is one of the greatest interviews. One of the 472 00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:19.759 greatest promos that Brandy ever did, and he did a 473 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:25.119 lot of tremendous ones, but this one, man, he's he's 474 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:28.680 smacking himself, he's slapping himself. He can't forgive himself. He's 475 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:32.079 just so distraught. He's lays down on the ground. If 476 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:35.440 you see me with a microphone trying to follow him 477 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:37.960 as he's going around to make sure people can hear him. 478 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.880 And I remember, as this is going on, I'm going, oh, 479 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:46.759 this Jesus, this is the unbelievable. I'm feeling I'm getting 480 00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:49.359 chills as he's going and he's just going on and on, 481 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.079 and I've mentioned you know where. And then as he 482 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:55.359 finally finally gets up and he's just like and he 483 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.119 just like shoves me out of the way. And I 484 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.480 remember everybody in that room, nobody moved. There wasn't a 485 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:08.400 sound because we're all just like, holy shit. That was unbelievable. 486 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.839 That was. And I remember after that, everybody's like, oh, Randy, 487 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:14.200 my god, that was. And this is the this is 488 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.920 the interview I've told you about for where Vince was 489 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:19.480 there off to the side, and I ever tell you, 490 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:22.960 I tell you he's doing this would wrap him up, 491 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:27.960 wrap him up. And uh, I think back now because 492 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.799 I watched it again, and I'm saying, can you if 493 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.519 I would have cut that thing short somehow it would 494 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.240 have been you would have missed half of it? How 495 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:39.720 good it was that you just that was my my 496 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:41.839 whole way thing is this thing is over? When Randy 497 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:44.960 said it's over, I'm not jumping in there. And if 498 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:46.799 you look at that's why it was so good. And 499 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.759 and I'm not It's not just me saying this. You 500 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.039 go and you talk to people that are in the 501 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.640 knower or historians and ask them, what what was one 502 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.559 of if not the best, but one of the best 503 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.759 promos that ran he Savage ever cut. It's that one 504 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:06.720 in Texas. Uh. It really was just phenomenal. And I think, 505 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.119 you know, Vince would say, oh, man, that was probably 506 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:12.480 a good thing that we didn't wrap that one up early, 507 00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.480 because man, that whole thing when he finally gets up 508 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:17.079 and then he goes and get up, you know, and 509 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:19.599 just pushes me out of the way and goes out, 510 00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:22.079 and I'm like, what an exit? Because you've just felt it? 511 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:24.880 Where's he going? Is he gonna go? Get him? Now? 512 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.880 I mean he's he want he's gonna kill somebody. What 513 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:31.039 he's gotta he can't let this Simmary, He's got to 514 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:35.480 go do it now. So uh, all the way around. 515 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.440 That was the whole match itself to how many people 516 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.839 remember what the happened with the match ran going off 517 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:42.759 with the elbow or whatever, But it was all that 518 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.119 that they had the post happened happened in the ring afterwards, 519 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.960 and in that interview, Man Jake was right, man, that 520 00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:52.680 thing should have been ridden right all the way to 521 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:57.440 wrestlemaning because that that heat was as as hot as 522 00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:57.920 it gets. 523 00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:01.000 Now, let me throw something at you then, because do 524 00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:04.039 you believe that the poor house shows of Rick Flair 525 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:08.359 and Hok Cogan in ninety one around this time they go, oh, 526 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.279 oh okay, we can't get the russmanni with Hogan and Flair. 527 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.319 All right, we gotta get we gotta get the Sid 528 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:17.519 Hogan thing going now. We gotta get this Macha man 529 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:20.039 Rick Flair thing going now. But we gotta somehow put 530 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:21.720 an end to this. And I say I said it 531 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:26.640 mentioned Macho Man fights Jake the Snake at Saturday Night's 532 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.680 main event, the last one that aired on it was 533 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:33.079 on Fox because NBC canceled the contract with the WWF 534 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.680 at this time, so they weren't getting NBC primetime specialists, 535 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:39.960 they were getting Fox. And this is where this airs. 536 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:43.200 Also on that night, Rodny Piper beats mach the Mounti 537 00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:48.160 to become inconal champion. Hogan teams up with Said Justice 538 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.759 to take on Rick Flair an undertaker, and that's the 539 00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.279 night where we get even a further suggest as Ho 540 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.440 Cogan storyline. So do you think, and I threw all 541 00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:58.960 it out at you, do you think that maybe the 542 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:01.240 poor reception of Lair and Hogan led to we had 543 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:03.559 to break out Macho Man and Jake because we can 544 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.759 make more money with Flair and Hogan doing separate things 545 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:07.720 than having Macho Men and Jake together. 546 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.160 Well, maybe not so much, thinking we can make more 547 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:13.640 of them being separate because they didn't really know. But 548 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.359 one thing they did know is it wasn't working. It 549 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:21.359 wasn't happening of what they originally thought was going to happen, 550 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.160 that we were going to have this, you know, the 551 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:25.920 greatest of the greats in the ring together at the 552 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:31.160 same time and thereat the world champions head to head. 553 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:37.160 And they could tell that was a lot of what 554 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:39.079 they were able to do with the house shows is 555 00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:42.160 get a feel of how people would receive this. It 556 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:44.720 was their own little labs that they could go in 557 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.559 different cities because you know, all the cities are different, 558 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.559 you get different crowds in different places, and it was 559 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:53.519 a great way for them to get an idea, Okay, 560 00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:55.920 is this going to work on a grand scale? Can 561 00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:57.400 we put it in a pay per view where people 562 00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:59.880 are going to line up and say, yes, I want 563 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:02.839 So it was more I think on the side of 564 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:07.440 knowing why we wish it would happen, but it's just not. 565 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.359 So now we got to pivot. They're always thinking with others, 566 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:12.519 they always had something else to do, what's it work? 567 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.000 And then you've got, you know, sit, bring an undertaker 568 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.759 in and then see where that's going to go. And 569 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:19.240 that's where we ended up. 570 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.119 Yeah, it's just weird that they would give Flair in 571 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.200 Hogan in a tag match on the main event on 572 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.200 Satday Night's main event on Fox, but not be like, oh, okay, 573 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.880 this can also main event WrestleMania. But either way, it's 574 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.160 very strange to think that happens, and you know, you 575 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:35.839 you mentioned it for a second, but I really want 576 00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.319 to dive into it. VisiC Man is telling you off 577 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:42.880 camera during this amazing macho man promo to wrap he's 578 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:43.519 doing this. 579 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:44.599 Yeah. 580 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.519 Now, universal symbols, I think in society. One is this, 581 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:50.440 What do you think I'm doing right now? 582 00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.680 Yeah, well, I'm rolling, But I'm also if somebody. 583 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:55.759 Did this, this is wrap up. This is roll the 584 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.519 window down, even though no one rolls the window down anymore, 585 00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:02.319 you know what I mean. Yeah, okay, nobody rolls through windows. 586 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:06.039 Their universal symbols like that, you know piece, you know, 587 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:10.119 thumbs up. This one is wrap up, Yes, wrap up? 588 00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:11.640 Well, and there's a number of it. 589 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.000 If you were a man, then you suddenly saw someone 590 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:15.519 doing this to you, and you know you just happened 591 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:17.240 to you. What does this even mean? 592 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.839 I'm thinking, like you want me to hum, It's okay, Randy, 593 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:28.359 It's gonna be okay. But I'm like, what what what 594 00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:28.920 the world? 595 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:29.839 Uh? 596 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:34.000 You know, I mean, anything like this, uh this, you know. 597 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.720 Or like hey, stopping, you know, anything. 598 00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.519 But and I remember it was when he was doing 599 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:43.680 it was when Randy was on the ground and just 600 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.440 you know, kind of you know, just grumbling. But but 601 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.720 but I knew he was going to I had done 602 00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:55.519 enough interviews with Randy. I you know, I knew where where. 603 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:57.359 I didn't necessarily know what he was going to say 604 00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:59.240 what it was, but I knew how he wasn't got 605 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:03.480 that there was more, and I was like, there's no way, 606 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:07.160 there's no way I'm doing that, and uh uh. And 607 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.759 thank god because the way that, as I said, the 608 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.720 way that all around wraps up, and that explosive that 609 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:16.960 I gotta go. I don't know what I'm gonna do, 610 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:20.960 but I'm going I gotta go. As as that wrapped up, 611 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:26.160 and I just you know, after that, after he walked away, 612 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.440 and then I knew we were out, I was just like, man, 613 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.119 that was so good. And then and then I got 614 00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:35.119 and then comes overs like and I think he's gonna say, 615 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:39.799 wasn't that like I was. I was unbelievable, Like I 616 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:41.720 told you. I was. I told you to wrap up, 617 00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:45.480 like really yeah, and you can see everybody in the 618 00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:50.079 crew it's just like what so yeah, I tell you. 619 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.240 Even after that, I was just because I knew I 620 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.680 I've done it long enough. I knew when you got 621 00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.920 when it's gold, and Bence certainly should have known that too. 622 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.880 I I don't. I maybe after he saw it and 623 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.680 he went, oh yeah, because you know, he wasn't like 624 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:06.839 he didn't have moments like that where he realized, Okay, 625 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.680 it's better that way. But I told you, like afterwards, 626 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:11.920 and I'd see I saw him in the runway and 627 00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:13.599 I just like looked at him. He looked at me 628 00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:16.880 like what the you know? I said, I mean, I 629 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:21.160 was so fired up, stupidly because I probably could have been, 630 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.519 you know, on a plane back to Tucson at that point, 631 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.680 you know, because but I was so mad about it. 632 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:30.799 It was kind of like they want a piece of me, 633 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:37.559 you know. But really, I mean, I tell you though, 634 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.759 that and of all I've done, you know how many 635 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:44.519 hundreds of interviews that I did, that to me was 636 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.000 all the way around, just to a be a part 637 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.839 of that. I was really proud of that. And then 638 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.640 and it remains one of my my favorite moments that 639 00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:55.759 I'd spent, not only just in the with with Randy, 640 00:33:55.799 --> 00:34:01.319 but in the w W. I mean, it was just textbook, 641 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.240 just a great, great promo and uh. And then I 642 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.679 mentioned the other one that where you know, Jake's talking 643 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:14.280 about Jack Tunny, uh teaching him about and that's that 644 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.639 was all him, you know, just like you think, where 645 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.800 did that stuff come from? It's so good, you know. 646 00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.239 I like how Jack Tunny is. He's supposed to be 647 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.599 this authority figure, but everyone's like even Cogan doesn't like 648 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.239 Jack Tunny, even hold Cogan and most of his promos 649 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:29.400 like Jack Tunny. 650 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:30.880 Just what is he? 651 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.760 He's just trying to keep all the authority. 652 00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:38.440 He's the authority. Yeah, yeah, he's that's that's what he did. 653 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:40.199 He was the he was he took the heat. 654 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:42.000 He was the guy that was an evil though he 655 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:43.719 didn't like have a group of fashion. 656 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:46.320 He's the man. He's the man. 657 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:50.960 Steve he banned reptiles from Ringside and Macho and Jake's 658 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:52.880 happy about this that he taught about a cheat and 659 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.400 lie and steal and Jack Tunny is not done here 660 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.440 on this vivrasy, I mean, on this this Tuesday in Texas. 661 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:00.800 Pardon me, it's very easy to get this Tuesday in 662 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.480 Texas and Survivors Area is confused with each other. Yeah, 663 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:09.159 it's just really bizarre that, Yeah, you're even before this matchup. 664 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:12.079 The whole storyline really too. With the King Cobra though, 665 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.800 is reinstating Macho Man. And that's another thing that happened 666 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.840 with Warrior leaving his spot is open, Well, we got 667 00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:22.280 to fill it in with an equal superstar, and Macho 668 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.559 Man is there. He's currently doing commentary for Superstars and 669 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.719 Wrestling Challenge randomly and they have to reinstate him to 670 00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:32.079 bring him back. Did Randy ever want to step away 671 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:34.000 from the ring? What was the reasoning? Do you know 672 00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:36.800 for Randy saying, you know what, I'm gonna take a 673 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.320 break or I'm gonna just step away for a little bit. 674 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:41.840 He was gonna come back eventually no matter what. 675 00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.440 Well, no, I think if you knew Randy, Randy knew 676 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:49.679 how the business worked, you didn't step away because you 677 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:55.440 could lose your your standing. There were certainly points where 678 00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.519 he needed a break, you know, when you go that far, 679 00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.119 and he did that a few times where you know, 680 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:04.039 they go down to Florida and you know, basically chill 681 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.880 for a little bit. But he understood you can't just 682 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:09.960 step away and expect to come back, you know, a 683 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.559 year later or something like that, and and have that momentum. 684 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.039 I don't think that that he wanted to step away. 685 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.880 You have to remember at this point where Vince McMahon's 686 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:24.079 heead is is he's thinking about this youth movement. He's 687 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.280 under feeling that, you know, the superstars I've been counting 688 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.119 on are getting a little old and the tooth, as 689 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.440 they say, and I've got to start thinking about the 690 00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:38.719 future and bringing in new people. And I think that now, 691 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.039 I think that that that's not something Randy wanted to do. 692 00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.719 They had even talked about, you know, I think Vince 693 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.519 wanted to try and make it somewhat palatable for him 694 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.239 and make him by saying that he wanted was going 695 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.280 to have him part of the booking team. That was 696 00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:58.320 a part of the discussion, but that that never really 697 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:02.719 worked out, and so that and commentary. But I think that, 698 00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:07.119 you know, uh, for Randy, it kind of came back 699 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.239 around because they needed him. You know, there'd be there'd 700 00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.159 be points where, you know, somebody would go down on 701 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:13.920 the and he would go and fill in in some 702 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.840 of these house shows and just time and time again 703 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.760 proving that they needed him. And come on, I mean, 704 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.039 he he could still go with the best of all 705 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:24.679 of them. There wasn't a point it wasn't where they 706 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:26.079 were looking at him going boy, he was a little 707 00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.280 slow on that up the turnbuckle there with the elbow, 708 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.840 you know what there was. It wasn't that. And uh, 709 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:33.800 you know, I heard a discussion the other day. They're 710 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:38.199 talking about you know where forty used to be old 711 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.639 and professional wrestling. Yeah, I mean seriously, he used to 712 00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:43.400 talk about people that are washed up at forty and 713 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.280 they're boy, he's been around. Oh come look at look 714 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:53.760 at today, said everyone can go and at peak that 715 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:59.199 are way beyond that. And so that wasn't a point 716 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.000 of at all. And I don't think Grandy was ever 717 00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:06.880 you know, accepting of him take taking a backseat because 718 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.880 he was somehow older that he would he couldn't keep 719 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:14.159 up with these guys. I don't think that he was thinking, 720 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.039 oh yeah, I need it. I want a nice cushy job. 721 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:17.800 I'm gonna make money and I can just do commentary. 722 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:20.119 That wasn't part of his DNA. As we saw, he 723 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:24.679 ended up going down South and got bigger than ever 724 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.440 and had another had a run down there. So no, 725 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.960 I don't think that that was that was his idea. 726 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.119 Okay, I always wondered that because he becomes world champion 727 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.400 at wrestling, he eight, So this is you know, about 728 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.320 three months later, he beats Ric Flair in another weird 729 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.760 Miss Elizabeth storyline, which we kind of covered about the 730 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.119 naked pictures of Miss Elizabeth. She's going through a lot 731 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.000 of tough times in the end of ninety one and 732 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:51.199 early ninety two. But yeah, he wins the world title 733 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.480 and he even made He goes on to fight Warrior 734 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.719 summersoninety two. You know, he Batchaman has a very good 735 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.599 second run, and then they put him back on commentary 736 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.519 ninety four. Then he leaves for w CW, becoming a 737 00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:07.920 multi time world champion. So you know again, the last 738 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.840 time Jake in Macho Touch, at least on television is 739 00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:13.159 ar Rumble ninety two. They're in this roll rumble together 740 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:17.039 Machum and even eliminates himself because he's going after Jake, 741 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.519 and they change the rules of the rumble when they 742 00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:21.639 just take your just throws Macho Man back in and 743 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:25.239 girdls like, oh, apparently you can't eliminate yourself. But years 744 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:28.159 before that, Andre did eliminate himself. So it's just funny 745 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:29.880 where if you watch enough of these, you're like, wait, 746 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:33.199 are the rules changing or But it's also a storyline, 747 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:36.199 so either way, one of the best you know out 748 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.880 of the Survivors series ninety one and the King Kobra 749 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:42.719 and Warrior leaving and getting fired like this gave us 750 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:46.000 this amazing moment of a King Cobra and a woman 751 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:49.440 being slapped in one storyline, And to me, that is 752 00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:50.719 amazing to. 753 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.159 See and well stands up today. 754 00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.000 And I'm gonna forever tell someone this if they ever 755 00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.320 tell me, wrap up. 756 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.480 Up And you don't know that international sign. 757 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.679 You don't know it, you don't know it? Come on, man, no, no, 758 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.440 yeah it was. It was crazy though. It's just so 759 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.320 funny I think that. But yes, that's great storyline. But 760 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.679 also what's interesting about this pay per view is some 761 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.599 of the matches. So Million Dollar Man in the Repo 762 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:22.360 Man take on El Mattador, Tito Santana in Virgil. Now 763 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.360 a lot of this is a continuation of what happened 764 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:28.719 at Survivor Series. So Tiddy Biassi in Virgil or on 765 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:32.119 opposite teams. Repo Man was not at Survivor Series, but 766 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:35.519 El Mattador was. He was a replacement for someone on 767 00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:38.519 Team Hacksaw, Jim Duggan. So what do you think this 768 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:40.880 match is put on? There? Just fill in the card 769 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:42.679 with anybody, or we need a tag team match to 770 00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:44.480 feature two wrestlers to get you excited. 771 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.800 Well, it doesn't make sense though, because and please, there's 772 00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.960 no knock against these guys. You know, I love them ball, 773 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:51.360 I love it. 774 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:52.239 I love them too, love it. 775 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:57.880 But buto man, which was kind of the Hamburglar, and 776 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:03.039 you know what I mean, I just don't that. I'm 777 00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:07.800 glad that it kept very working. But yeah, and it 778 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:11.480 wasn't like saying it's a bad tag team matchup. But 779 00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:13.719 as we saw with the Dark matches, there were some 780 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.440 others that probably would have as far as marquee goes 781 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:20.400 and drawing attention, would have played better. And also the 782 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:24.039 placement of it, you know, right before the big one, 783 00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:27.639 to do something like that, and and so I never 784 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.360 I've still and I was looking at that, you know, 785 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:34.840 the card earlier and thinking that it's just the weirdest placement. 786 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.559 And boy, there's a few there are a couple other 787 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.159 on here in the dark that were would have been 788 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:41.880 real good here. I mean when you love to have 789 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:47.079 seen Flair and Piper before. Yes, so I'm kind of 790 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:49.920 still astounded by it. You know, you know, we had 791 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.960 the Ted Deboshi, you had the million Dollar Man. Of 792 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:56.960 course Virgil that was going to explode eventually. Uh, and 793 00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.719 they and they gave them the chance to finish that storyline, 794 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.960 and so there was something within that match, but it 795 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.599 just as far as like putting that in there, it 796 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.440 does it does kind of come off like, Okay, we 797 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.440 need something to put in there. No, you know, so 798 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.519 I really I don't. I don't. I don't understand it. 799 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:19.559 But that's it was it time to was that kind 800 00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.840 of like intermission, like to get up and get like 801 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:26.119 get more popcorn and soda. I I don't know. It's 802 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.639 kind of a still a mystery to me how that 803 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.920 how that was in the lineup the way it was. 804 00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.519 Yeah, and again like Million Dollar Man in Virgil their storyline, 805 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:38.920 this is the last time they touched too, because for 806 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:42.239 the past year they have fought over the million Dollar Championship, 807 00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:46.920 they fought at they's not at all so in reality, 808 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.119 like there's nothing left for Virgil and Million Dollar Man 809 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.000 to do except have a match with Repo Man and 810 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.440 Tito Santana. But you're right, like why couldn't we have 811 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:57.519 gotten l O D versus natural disasters or the Rocker? 812 00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.719 Is honestly what Nasty Boys make sense because they were 813 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:04.159 they were involved with each other at service series. So 814 00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.320 this again it's just the choice of some of these 815 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.639 as in like the Icy Championship is on the line, 816 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.000 Brett the Hitman Hart versus Skinner, they weren't involved in 817 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.159 the same match either. Brett Hart has an issue with 818 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.039 the MOUNTI we saw this, they talked about it and 819 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.320 not here. Why not here? 820 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:26.800 Though? Yeah, it doesn't And not that that was even 821 00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:28.639 a bad match either, because you know, she's pretty good 822 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:29.639 actually was he was good? 823 00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:31.280 Yeah, he was a good pretty. 824 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:34.199 Good hand as they say, and uh, you know it was. 825 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:39.559 It was a decent matchup too. But you know, I think, 826 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:41.880 as we when you look at it though, what this 827 00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:46.559 really this pay per view was was the Jake uh 828 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.119 Randy match and then uh and then the main event 829 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.159 really so everything else was just kind of the filler 830 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:56.760 on it. But as far as you know, some of 831 00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:58.719 those other matchups, they were, they were great, but I 832 00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.440 think they I think the focus and the attention they 833 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:04.599 really won was on those matches, and of course that's 834 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:09.400 that's basically what happened. You know. The the Jake and 835 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:13.000 Macho Man match was really certainly delivered. My god, it was. 836 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.880 It was great entertainment to watch. It was and then 837 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:19.719 of course we had people laiting. They wanted to see 838 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:23.079 the Hulkster get that goal back from. 839 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.840 The man watch nine matches already, so now they got 840 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:27.639 to wait four more. 841 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:28.440 Though. 842 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.239 It's interesting, though, is British Bulldog and Worlord also fight 843 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:33.480 on here and they hold a record for being in 844 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.880 every single pay per view match together in nineteen ninety 845 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.920 one Royal Rumble. They're in the same match one on 846 00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.840 one RESTMANU seven one on one, three on three match, 847 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.800 Summer Slim ninety one Sarvice Series opposite teams four and four. 848 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.800 And here we are this to the in Texas Bulldog 849 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:53.559 versus Warlord. 850 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:54.639 Great. 851 00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:59.000 I hate the only two people ever to pull this 852 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.199 off in one year, So congratulations. If you didn't like it, 853 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:04.719 well too bad. It's all in every single one. I 854 00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.119 just think that's a very interesting, weird fact to have 855 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.880 between Bulldog and Warlord. But it's not these matches. Weren't 856 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:12.119 people going I can't wait. 857 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:12.360 To see this. 858 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.159 But again, I do love powerhouses. I do love we 859 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:18.039 lock hands and we pretend we're fighting each other. I 860 00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:21.519 like that for me, it's fun. But are you shocked 861 00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.000 that they fought in every single pay per view in 862 00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:25.679 ninety one, or yeah, you. 863 00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.280 Almost think that it was a plan. Let's do this 864 00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:31.559 and see if anybody really notices, you know, because you 865 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:33.519 don't really have a reason for those two to be 866 00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.280 in the ring together going at it against each other. 867 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:40.960 It didn't have any real serious storyline going on. But 868 00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:46.559 you know, I was Warlord was surprised me that he 869 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.679 could work as well as he did because I don't 870 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:51.800 know how he wiped his heinie actually that he was 871 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:55.880 just so you know, I mean, he couldn't be at 872 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:58.880 that time. I just reduced to marble because you know, 873 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:02.000 you look at somebody like the Warrior and and just 874 00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:04.039 how you know, the cut that he had, it was 875 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.400 just like a bodybuilder's. But Warlord was just like this. 876 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:13.119 I mean, he was as gigantic as you. You didn't 877 00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.199 know where there was there's nothing else that could have 878 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:19.000 been killed in those farms and stuff like that. But 879 00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.440 he could move, you know, he could move. And uh, 880 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:26.679 those matches weren't terrible with those guys, I mean it 881 00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.480 was you know, and of course Davy boy was was 882 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:34.519 great anyway, but they weren't. Those weren't terrible matches. 883 00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.079 No, I like his braided hair. This is the braided 884 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.519 hair version of the Bulldog and. 885 00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:41.400 The dreads with the beats. 886 00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:43.559 Didn't mind him that it was a hurt like hell 887 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:45.039 when he lands down on his head every time. But 888 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.639 that was interesting. But yes, let's move on though it's 889 00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:51.239 the main event. It's Undertaker versus Whole Coogan, the world 890 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.159 titles on the line, and for as long as I remembered, 891 00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.039 I would think, Okay, Undertaker wins this fibus series, he 892 00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.559 loses at this Tuesday in Texas. 893 00:46:59.639 --> 00:46:59.960 But when you. 894 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.760 Research it turns out Taker on the house show circuit 895 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.239 did defend the world title against the British Bulldog three 896 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.840 different times. And if you go on YouTube, the WWE 897 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.360 loaded one of the matches so you can actually watch 898 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.280 the time Taker defended the title against Bulldog at one 899 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:18.360 of these house shows. And it's very weird to think that. 900 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.039 It just felt like you house shows didn't exist with 901 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.519 television programming for a while. Results didn't add up. So 902 00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:28.159 were you aware of this, Like is this a common 903 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:31.280 thing where we're hiding what's really happening on house shows? 904 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:33.599 Yeah, and they could do that. I think all those 905 00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:36.400 shows were in Canada too, so they weren't even in 906 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:40.519 the US, and you know, they didn't have came, they 907 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:42.679 didn't have you know, they didn't shoot these like some 908 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.800 of these places would have, you know, television cameras because 909 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.639 they had you know, kind of local operations. They did, 910 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.960 but you know, some of those were never captured on video, 911 00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:56.239 which it wasn't like everybody even had a cell phone 912 00:47:56.320 --> 00:48:00.320 so you could do, you know, and these households to 913 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.079 deliver once in a while, you had to be able 914 00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:03.880 to go out there and like have the belt actually 915 00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:09.239 on the line, you know, against a quality opponent, and 916 00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:13.840 so yeah, that's where you could do that. You know. 917 00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.719 The only way you ever really heard about these house 918 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.280 shows is through the dirt sheets. You know, they'd have 919 00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.719 the guys there, then Meltzer would get the information and 920 00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:22.960 this is you know, guy went over and did this whatever. 921 00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:27.840 But you know, only the die hard wrestling fans had that, 922 00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.239 and it wasn't something you could put up. We didn't 923 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:33.679 certainly have the networks we have now, the platforms of 924 00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:37.639 social media where you could put this stuff up. Basically 925 00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:39.519 you could if you wanted it, you could do it live. 926 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.039 I mean, you could put that thing up right after 927 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.559 it happened for the world to see and do that. So, 928 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:48.239 as I mentioned before, it was it was a great 929 00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:50.239 way for them to put stuff out there and see 930 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:54.239 how it worked, you know, to be basically rehearsals or 931 00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:56.000 whatever and say, okay, how are they going to how 932 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:58.199 do they react to this one? And so it was 933 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:01.880 the the you know, the guys on the road, the 934 00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:04.760 agents as we call them that they were also that 935 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.519 was part of their job was to report back to 936 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.840 headquarters and say, yeah, that that match really got over. 937 00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:11.159 Man. 938 00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:13.159 They just loved it. It was a great way also 939 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.840 to you know, send people out there were experimenting with 940 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:19.480 a gimmick and see how the house reacts to it. 941 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.559 I mean that's the real test is when you see 942 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.239 people right there in person and they and they those 943 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.199 guys had heard how crowds react their entire lives. They 944 00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.639 were very and tuned to it. So the fact that 945 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:37.239 it's surprising though that you know, within six days or whatever, 946 00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:41.679 you've got you know, you've got the Warrior, I mean, 947 00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:46.000 the the Undertaker. It's three different shows, three you know, 948 00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:48.480 you know, he barely got a chance between traveling and 949 00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:52.920 getting the Arenas. That's probably that's it. And you know, 950 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:56.119 he talks about why why he really didn't get a 951 00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:59.440 chance to see that survivorsers when he did the pile 952 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:01.880 driver in the the chair of how it went down 953 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:03.880 and see it on video where because he said, I 954 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.400 when I was shown that show was over, I had 955 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.280 to get I had to get out and had to 956 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.320 be in Canada. I had shows that I had to 957 00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.199 do before I was going to go to Texas. So 958 00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:15.480 he didn't get a chance to really see it. And 959 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:17.679 I'm sure you did the same thing I did. You 960 00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:19.480 kind of like looking when they go out there because 961 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:25.400 at that point if having seen it, and then also 962 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:27.599 I'm sure every all the guys are saying, you know, 963 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.400 this is the way it is, this is what happened 964 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.960 in you know, didn't even get close and as Mark 965 00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.159 says that his relationship with Hope was never the same 966 00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.119 after that, and you you can you you say over 967 00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:44.639 and over again, you know, like why why why do that? 968 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.119 There's a lot of things that I'm referring to the 969 00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.599 Survivor series. You know, how Hope sold that and people, 970 00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:54.840 you know, talk about the man, you know, some of 971 00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.239 the reviews after that that Hope really put that over, 972 00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:03.400 you know, showing how fear that pile driver or that 973 00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:08.119 under that undertakers you know, moved there the finishing move 974 00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:11.719 that you know, how devastating it could be. Well when 975 00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:16.480 into a chair however it was. But you're also you know, 976 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:18.639 Mark's concerned. Was I don't want to get the reputation 977 00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:21.159 out there that I hurt people. That was his fear, 978 00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.840 you know, And besides the fact that here I did, 979 00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.880 I you know, killed the golden goose here that Vince 980 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.639 is gonna send me packing. So uh, you know, I 981 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:33.679 was watching closely and you know, you like kind of 982 00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:35.280 look at that and say, how did how did that 983 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.960 go out there? He's certainly a pro, but uh, you 984 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:40.639 know he stileft the wonder of these days. What what 985 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:41.719 was behind all that? 986 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:46.519 Probably a lot of things, but we think we talked 987 00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:48.679 about on some harvisse here's any one where Hogan's not 988 00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:51.320 saying it's the headshot to the chair. It's the he 989 00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.280 had him so clenched up upside down that when he 990 00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:57.920 dropped him, his body you know, yeah, well spasm, but 991 00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:00.199 in reality it doesn't if you even watch it. I'm 992 00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.480 not Hogan, But also Hogan's a no liar. So I 993 00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:03.280 don't know which one. 994 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:08.840 Well, we'll you know however that went down, but like 995 00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:14.559 I said, it was it certainly helped create the heat 996 00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.320 there that between that six days of you know, was 997 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:19.559 Hulk going to the hospital? Is he going to be 998 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.599 well enough to go in there to be able to 999 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:24.719 to you know, to try and get his title back. 1000 00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:28.239 I'm surprised there wasn't a little more of that going 1001 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:35.039 into it, but you know that it did what they 1002 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.239 intended it to do as far as getting the belt 1003 00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:42.440 back to Hogan, although it was short lived, but you know, 1004 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.119 that's kind of the way they sold it. And as 1005 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:48.480 of that night anyway, the Hulkster had the strap back 1006 00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:49.159 around his waist. 1007 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:53.639 Yeah, it was the evil Jack Tunny by Ringside as well. 1008 00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:55.639 So we had to make sure that he was going 1009 00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:57.880 to lay down the law and he was going to 1010 00:52:57.880 --> 00:52:59.559 be to make sure nothing goes wrong. But guess what 1011 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:03.280 things do go wrong? When Tony's around. Rick Flair comes 1012 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:06.400 out again and we have more shenanigans. No one's paying attention, 1013 00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:11.119 and this time it's Hok Cogan who does a little cheating. 1014 00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:14.119 And this is where an answer was brought up to everyone, 1015 00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.599 what the hell's inside of the urn of the Undertaker 1016 00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:21.280 because we didn't know we would hear rumors like, oh, 1017 00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.800 it's the ashes of the deceased that he his victims. 1018 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:29.440 Oh shit, okay, or it's his parents. Uh it's ashes, 1019 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:36.599 or last night's barbecue, or or green smoke or years 1020 00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:39.800 later a flashlight. There's a lot of things inside that eurn. 1021 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:44.239 It's like a giant purse, my wife's purser. You open there. Uh, 1022 00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:47.880 this time it's ashes. Here gets ashes in the face 1023 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:49.960 that allows Hogan to pick up the win here and 1024 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:55.000 Hogan is the new champion. But again it's not the end. Like, 1025 00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:57.280 if anything, this is a three parter and I'm not 1026 00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.280 sure if we're gonna do it, but like this sets 1027 00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:01.760 up Royal Rumble nineteen ninety two. 1028 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:03.639 It's all open. 1029 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:08.880 Yeah, dude, you couldn't. You couldn't let soever series be 1030 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:10.840 its own show. You couldn't let this Tuesday in Texas 1031 00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:12.880 be it show. But at least on this one, they 1032 00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:15.239 don't suddenly start announcing it the Royal Rumble. The world 1033 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:18.119 title will be on the line immediately. They wait for 1034 00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:18.639 a few weeks. 1035 00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:20.199 For that time, they didn't They didn't bring Tonny in 1036 00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:21.920 the ring right away. And give them a microphone and say, 1037 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:28.159 after careful consideration and consultation, of course, the belt is 1038 00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.360 now null and void. No one has it. We're going 1039 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:30.760 to put it. 1040 00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:33.199 It's gonna be that we're rolling on into. So if 1041 00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:35.199 you bought this pay per view and the other one, 1042 00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:38.760 those didn't matter, this one matters. You should buy this one. 1043 00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:41.079 This one would really matter, guys, seriously. 1044 00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:47.039 Right, well, gotta sell. And Royal Rumble did pretty well. 1045 00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:50.440 Oh still, yeah, I think it even did. I think 1046 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.760 it did a little better than Survivor Series ninety one. 1047 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:56.119 But yeah, the big four we're still well, sure, we're 1048 00:54:56.119 --> 00:55:00.800 sure still rolling along despite you know, little hiccup there 1049 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:03.239 trying to do this other event, sneaking this other one 1050 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:05.679 in there and seeing what reaction they were going to get. 1051 00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.679 But it also you got to give credit to the 1052 00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:13.800 WWE that they were experimenting with all different kinds of 1053 00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:18.239 ways to to bring this action to the folks and 1054 00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:20.400 pay per view. However they were going to do it, 1055 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:24.000 and uh, you know, and they kept experimenting. This was 1056 00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:27.440 one that didn't work. But as we've seen, look how 1057 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:31.280 many events we have now where you know, to me, 1058 00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:33.920 that would have been insane to think we're going to 1059 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.920 do on every month, like, oh my god, because it 1060 00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:40.239 was to me the season was tough enough. And then 1061 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.199 you know where we just go through the four and 1062 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.320 then Wrestle Meeting and then you know, now it's that, 1063 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.800 you know Monday we start all that, we start all 1064 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:51.079 over again, that it was a different time back then. 1065 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:53.519 I know, it's so weird to think, but again, I 1066 00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:55.239 think we brought up at the beginning, like why wouldn't 1067 00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:57.880 why couldn't you wait a little bit, Why couldn't you 1068 00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:01.800 wait for a month, two weeks, three weeks? Have your 1069 00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:04.280 other shows be allowed to be part of the production, 1070 00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.119 the merchandise, the selling point of this, You and Gene 1071 00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:12.239 selling this for weeks on end, and I don't. It's 1072 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:14.559 just so bizarre to think, why do it so fast? 1073 00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:17.199 Why do it so quick? And I can't really think 1074 00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.679 of a reason. I can't be the reason of oh, 1075 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:21.239 well we got to get to take or the title 1076 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.000 off taker because Hogan's upset. That can't be real. Because 1077 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:26.840 you sided to the start of Starvicera's any One was 1078 00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:29.639 promoting this Tuesday in Texas with Jake and Macho, so 1079 00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:31.639 obviously you already had plans for all this happening, so 1080 00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:35.320 that rumor can't be real in my eyes. The reasoning 1081 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.159 of having it six days later I can't honestly figure out. 1082 00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.239 Because we've talked about Vince being a genius when it 1083 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:44.960 comes to promotion. But why, in your personal opinion, you know, 1084 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.039 you've been in the business, you've done other things. Why 1085 00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:48.840 have it so close? 1086 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:49.360 Now? 1087 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.519 I don't care that it happened again because I'm as 1088 00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:53.960 a wrestling fan it was cool more wrestling, But why 1089 00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:56.800 as a business and a promoter, why six days? Why 1090 00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:57.360 so close? 1091 00:56:57.840 --> 00:56:58.000 Well? 1092 00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:00.719 I think, as we've talked about for that, it was 1093 00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.360 a timely thing and they wanted to see can we 1094 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:08.760 build momentum and then act on it quickly and see 1095 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:13.320 with the same you know, instead of letting it burn 1096 00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:15.840 or let it or having to keep building it. Can 1097 00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:20.079 we can we capitalize on a momentum that we've started 1098 00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:24.880 right here and then pay it off quickly, which that 1099 00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.679 happens all the time. Now, Steve, now you can do 1100 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:32.840 it now. They don't wait, And I to me, I've 1101 00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.599 said before, you know that I don't like that as 1102 00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:37.519 much because I used to. I used to love the 1103 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.199 way that they could actually have time to build characters 1104 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:43.559 and actually have time to build the storyline for weeks 1105 00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:45.800 and weeks and weeks to where you just couldn't wait 1106 00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:50.800 to see it all play out. But as we've seen, 1107 00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:53.280 it's very acceptable today to do that to get more 1108 00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:57.039 of these quick payoffs. And I think you know, they 1109 00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:00.719 were along thinking along the lines of, Okay, let's let's 1110 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:02.800 have the ability to do this, that we can build 1111 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:05.800 something quickly and then maybe it's not it's not a 1112 00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:09.679 three month payoff, it's it's a week payoff, and and 1113 00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:11.960 it's maybe it's a quick way for us to turn 1114 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:13.719 it around and we could bring somebody else into this 1115 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.920 and then catapult this into another you know situation, because 1116 00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:21.039 you know, we we had we had seen these guys 1117 00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:23.960 working together before whatever with a Jake and Rany whatever, 1118 00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.119 and and you can could wrap stuff up and then uh, 1119 00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.199 pay it off a week later there that you've done that, 1120 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.199 and then boom, you got something else to go on, 1121 00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:34.719 and then maybe that is a three month build up whatever. 1122 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:37.639 But it gave them a different option, and I think 1123 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:41.239 they were just trying to see, uh if this would work, 1124 00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.400 and it didn't work enough, it didn't work well enough 1125 00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:47.719 for them to feel that Yeah, this is something we 1126 00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:50.079 should start doing, do it more often. Yeah. 1127 00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:52.519 The only thing I think of after listening to you 1128 00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:56.199 was the Saturday Night's Main event that when NBC canceled 1129 00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:57.920 their contract and they had to move off Fox for 1130 00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.440 a few episodes and then didn't. They weren't on prime 1131 00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:05.920 time on NBC for at least fifteen twenty years, So 1132 00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:08.639 this was like the end of all those options is 1133 00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:11.920 maybe like, oh, maybe Jake and Macha Man can boost 1134 00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:14.800 our ratings up for this event and then we can 1135 00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.239 get a bigger contract with NBC again or Fox. We 1136 00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.119 can build that up again. We'll use this event to 1137 00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.360 do that. I have no idea, but we talked about 1138 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:24.159 Ustpinny and nine I think before where it's like, maybe 1139 00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:26.239 we can use this event to show the world, Hey, 1140 00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:29.639 look what we can do. We can do other things 1141 00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:34.239 like Permarning, boxing, reporting the UFC. Honestly, I don't understand 1142 00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.400 the reasoning, but just to show you that you can 1143 00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:38.840 do it is a little strange in my eyes, because 1144 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.599 vincck man if I feel like it's not someone who 1145 00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:44.159 just does something like that. He around this time, he 1146 00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:46.639 has a plan, he has an execution, he has an 1147 00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:48.599 idea and maybe this was the idea and you need 1148 00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:50.519 to go with it because it's vinsic man and you 1149 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:52.159 know he wants to do what he wants to do. 1150 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:55.559 But in reality, though we've talked about some officers and anyone, 1151 00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:58.280 we talked about this Tuesay in Texas. For you personally, 1152 00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:00.360 these two events, you were involved with both of them. 1153 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:05.159 The highlight for you though, is obviously the Macho Man 1154 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:09.079 promo here with you and him, because it's a monumental 1155 01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:12.519 moment and if anyone should watch something, it should be 1156 01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:13.440 that moment. Correct. 1157 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:17.639 Yeah, yeah, Well, and also just that that whole storyline, 1158 01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:20.599 how they pull it off, and the genius of Jake, 1159 01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:25.320 who wasn't original, He didn't you know, everybody had their 1160 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:29.039 own way they delivered things. Randy of course had his, 1161 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:33.360 but Jake was a whole different animal. I mean, his 1162 01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:37.920 whole thing was that slow burned you know, I'm thinking 1163 01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:42.079 last you know, and you're just like, oh wow, he 1164 01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:44.159 just sucked you right in. You want to hear every word, 1165 01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:46.519 and I believed it. You believe everything he was saying. 1166 01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:50.079 Whatever he thinks he was some sick jerk or whatever 1167 01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:55.960 he was, but man, he was intense. That's so that 1168 01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:59.519 whole storyline. But of course, yeah, that you get a 1169 01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:01.800 chance to check out that promo and now you know, 1170 01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.599 now you know the behind it, behind the scenes on this. 1171 01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:09.960 Uh that I hope it makes it even more more 1172 01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:13.239 interesting for you to take a look at. But just 1173 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.679 really a masterclass between the two of them, two of 1174 01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.639 the best of the business ever, uh and cutting promos. 1175 01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:21.360 I hope some of the new guys, you know, go 1176 01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.000 back and take a look at some of these guys 1177 01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:26.159 because they were they were masters at it, and uh, 1178 01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:29.679 it's it's really it's really great to go to go 1179 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:32.039 and and that I'm enjoying this so much going back 1180 01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:34.599 as I'm doing deep dives into some of this stuff, 1181 01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:36.760 and I because I I forget a lot of them. 1182 01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:48.639 And I'm like, wow, wow, wo fantasy, real history. 1183 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:52.440 Then Wie