1 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,679 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Federalist Radio Hour. 2 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,920 As always, you can email the show at radio at 3 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,600 the Federalists dot com. I'm your guest host, Tristan Justice, 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,719 and joining me today again for this episode of the 5 00:00:26,719 --> 00:00:31,039 book Club podcast is our DC correspondent Eddie Scary. Last month, 6 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:33,280 we read and reviewed Kamala Harris's memoir and The Truth 7 00:00:33,399 --> 00:00:35,399 We Told We Hold, And this month we read former 8 00:00:35,439 --> 00:00:38,039 House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's new book, The Art of Power, 9 00:00:38,359 --> 00:00:41,600 My story as America's first woman Speaker of the House. 10 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: Eddie, thanks again for reading with me this this month. Well, 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,039 just just to be upfront with our listeners, I do 12 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:52,079 the audio books I did. I did digest still count 13 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:55,039 it still count. And also get I get the benefit 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,679 or the bonus, I guess of having Nancy Pelosi herself 15 00:00:58,719 --> 00:00:59,240 read it to me. 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: You know, I actually I did half in half this time. 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,439 I read half the book in my hands and then 18 00:01:05,599 --> 00:01:07,120 I listened to half of it. I just I think 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,280 it's so much more effective when it's a memoir for 20 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:12,719 the author to read it themselves. 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: I just think it's so much more interesting. Yeah, I 22 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:17,480 agree with you, and that that was kind of my thought. 23 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:19,640 I mean, I do put it you kind of. I 24 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:22,439 kind of don't notice it anymore after a little bit, 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,040 but I have to speed up the audio to get 26 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:27,120 through the book faster, so it's like it's, you know, 27 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,359 Nancy Pelossi talking very very fast, which kind of makes 28 00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:32,159 it funny. And it can be comical at certain parts 29 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:33,680 where maybe she's supposed to be a little bit more 30 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:35,879 serious or like she's like trying to land a joke, 31 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,319 and then it kind of just comes off awkward. But no, 32 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,560 I agree with you. I actually prefer listening to it 33 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:43,680 when it's I think for the same reasons. 34 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,519 Speaker 1: Well jumping jumping into the substance of the book. I 35 00:01:47,719 --> 00:01:50,840 asked you this question after we reviewed the Vice President's 36 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,079 book last month, and I think it's a good question 37 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:55,640 to start off with on this one. What did you 38 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,200 think of Nancy Pelosi before you read this book and 39 00:01:58,359 --> 00:01:59,280 what do you think of her now? 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: Well, I Nancy Pelosi is actually I think the most 41 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,840 fascinating member of Congress during my like adult my adult 42 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:12,759 career in journalism and political media. I find her to 43 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,280 be the most interesting person because I'm not really sure 44 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,360 what it is about her that really that she just 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,400 she is able to really rule her caucus, the Democrats 46 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,479 in the House, with an iron fist. And she also 47 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:32,800 is just very like she is not a stupid person whatsoever. 48 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:37,520 You might disagree and hate everything that she stands for, 49 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,840 she is a very smart person, adept. She once called 50 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,439 herself a master legislator. I don't think that's an overstatement. 51 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:49,360 That is someone who if she wants to get something passed, 52 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,120 she gets it passed. And I mean there are some 53 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,919 things that I guess maybe just not be possible that, 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,199 you know, if you could wave a magic wand to 55 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,840 get everything your way. But when she's when the when 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,680 the not even the stars, but when there's when there's 57 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:05,479 a sliver of enough power for Democrats because you know, 58 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,759 like wow, when they had the White House, they had 59 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,439 the Senate, they had the House. You know, that was 60 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:13,400 for the first couple of years of Obama's presidency and 61 00:03:13,439 --> 00:03:17,080 then also for Biden's legacy. She's able to muscle through 62 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,120 some major legislation. So I do find her just like 63 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:26,639 a really fascinating character in the House. As far as 64 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,719 did my opinion change really much after No, there were 65 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:33,800 some things in there that I was I was, you know, 66 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,319 intrigued by in the sense of, oh, I've never heard 67 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,639 her say that out loud. One being I know we're 68 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:41,599 going to get to this, but one being she was 69 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:48,400 actually somewhat critical of President Obama and you know, talking 70 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:51,639 about you, and also feeling like she didn't that the 71 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,479 White House didn't fully understand how Congress worked and how 72 00:03:56,719 --> 00:04:00,280 much effort the House Democrats, which I'm sure she really 73 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,400 just specifically meaning herself, how much effort she has to 74 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,439 put into passing the White House agenda, the Obama agenda. 75 00:04:07,919 --> 00:04:10,719 I thought that was interesting just because I've never heard 76 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:15,840 her be critical like that of Obama ever. But my 77 00:04:15,919 --> 00:04:20,720 opinion really didn't change anything after reading the memoir. 78 00:04:22,759 --> 00:04:25,319 Speaker 1: She's definitely a legacy lawmaker, and I think this book 79 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,319 was really a way a vehicle to cement her. I 80 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:33,399 guess legacy as a legacy a lawmaker because she was 81 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:35,600 I mean, look more nearly forty years in the House, 82 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:38,439 nearly more than twenty of which were in House leadership. 83 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:42,000 She was there post nine to eleven, IRAQ, two thousand 84 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,560 and eight financial crisis, the Obamacare fight, twenty ten, Tea 85 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,000 Party takeover, and then of course he emergeres as Donald 86 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,319 Trump and then to impeachments, and so this book was really, 87 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,720 to me, seemed like a vehicle for her to try 88 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:59,000 to narrate her own story in House leadership as she 89 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,360 gets ready to retire. I don't know how much longer 90 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,720 she'll stay in Congress. It just seems like she's going 91 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:06,839 to stay there forever at this point, even in a 92 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,639 post speakership status. But obviously she's pulling so many strings 93 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,160 behind the scenes. She's been a very she was very 94 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,680 powerful speaker, especially in two thousand and seven, two thousand 95 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,720 and eight, thousand and nine, you know, shepherding through that 96 00:05:23,079 --> 00:05:27,000 colossal healthcare legislation. But I feel like her second stint 97 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,759 as speaker was a lot less. I feel like she 98 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,879 heard her power really waned in that speakership. And I 99 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,480 don't know if that's just by virtue of I think 100 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:40,519 a narrower majority, But their majority by the time she 101 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:45,160 reclaimed the speaker's gable under Donald Trump was still relatively large, 102 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,959 especially considering the majority that House Republicans suffer with today. 103 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,879 As looking at the latest numbers, it's like Reprobalicans have 104 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,800 only like eight more seats than Democrats in the House 105 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,600 right now, with all these vacancies and resignations, and it's 106 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:01,720 really demoralized a lot of people the capital. But even 107 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,279 Nancy Pelosi, I think she really bungled, especially that first impeachment. 108 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,079 I think the country really saw that for what it was, 109 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,879 which was a political circus that was really the end 110 00:06:14,959 --> 00:06:18,680 result of every other strategy that the Democrats pulled out, 111 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,000 failing with the Russia hoax, with efforts to impeach Donald 112 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,759 Trump under the emolument's clause, that really felt like a 113 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,879 political leized resort for them to finally take him out. 114 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:33,519 And so I think Plancy almost I think Pelosi probably 115 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:37,439 almost knew that. But I just think she also became 116 00:06:37,519 --> 00:06:41,040 victim of this this kind of Trump derangement syndrome that 117 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,600 the entire party seems to be infected with, and that 118 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,560 is she has this vm and hatred that really I 119 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,759 think guided her through that impeachment. I think that came 120 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:50,920 out through the book. I really really felt like reading 121 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:54,000 through those her stories on both impeachments, it felt like 122 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,600 a hatred of Donald Trump more than more than anything else. 123 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,879 Speaker 2: I agree with you on that her Her real personal 124 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:06,639 hatred towards Donald Trump, I think is like it kind 125 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,360 of it makes her seem small. I think because there's 126 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,439 someone who, as you were saying, like was it has 127 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:16,199 been such a powerful speaker. The only other one that 128 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,920 I can think of that was closed was new Gingrich. 129 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,639 And actually she might we might not have a Nancy 130 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:24,800 Pelosi if it wasn't for New Gingrish, because he's kind 131 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,360 of the one who consolidated so much power into that position. 132 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,160 But reading the book, yeah, I think you really do 133 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,639 pick up on just how much. And it's a lot 134 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:41,199 of it's unnecessary too. She makes She talks a lot 135 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:45,399 about these private calls and private meetings she had with Trump, 136 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,839 and it's just kind of she can't ever mention him 137 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,240 without it very clearly showing what her dislike is and 138 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,240 her comments, her snide remarks to him, the way she 139 00:07:59,319 --> 00:08:01,199 felt like she had a put him in his place. 140 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:04,920 That is is something you that is like you know, 141 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,360 repeated throughout the book anytime she talks about Donald Trump, 142 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:12,800 I think I would I would somewhat disagree with you 143 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:18,000 that her power anyway kind of waned or seemed to 144 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:22,600 kind of dim at really any point. I think that 145 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:26,839 maybe when you had the what they called the what 146 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:30,079 do they call themselves, the squad when the Squad came in. 147 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:32,440 I do think that was the first time you saw 148 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,559 a real challenge to her and pushed to her from 149 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,720 her own party, and that was something you kind of realized, 150 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,559 I think actually was a struggle for her, Like you know, 151 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:45,840 everyone else just kind of falls in line. But then 152 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,679 you have ilan Omar and AOC coming in saying they're 153 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,799 not voting for her, and they've got a lot of 154 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:56,639 energy behind them. They very passionate supporters, and the media 155 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,279 loved them. Of course. I think that that kind of 156 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:03,039 that was the first and maybe only real time that again, 157 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,840 at least in my my career, my adult lifetime, where 158 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,080 she seems to have a have to really grapple with something, 159 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,159 but everything else, I mean, even if it was just uh, 160 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:18,960 you know, her her going toe to toe with Trump 161 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,200 and just handicapping his presidency via the impeachments, it seemed 162 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,399 like maybe my impression, my impression at the time, was 163 00:09:25,399 --> 00:09:27,360 that she never really wanted to do it. She never 164 00:09:27,399 --> 00:09:29,559 really wanted to impeach him. But because you know, there 165 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,679 was again the squad, the rise of the Squad wanting 166 00:09:32,799 --> 00:09:36,279 you know, really pushing for that, she may have. So 167 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,159 maybe that is to your point that that she was 168 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:44,000 somewhat losing control, but otherwise it's all she's done as 169 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:50,960 it has solidified power of the or solidified rather the 170 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:56,360 the the coherence, not coherence, but the cohesive. It's very cohesive. 171 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,000 She has made the Democrat Party far more more cohesive, 172 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:05,080 and it's never really waned in the time that she's 173 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,559 that she's been in power. At least I haven't seen it. 174 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting how she didn't actually and 175 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:13,399 maybe she did and I just missed it. But I 176 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,320 don't think she actually talked about the challenges to her 177 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:17,879 speakership the second. 178 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: Time from her own party. 179 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,639 Speaker 1: I mean, did she talk about Tim Ryan running against 180 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,559 her and getting several votes and facing these challenges from 181 00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:29,200 the AOC led caucus to her? 182 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,759 Speaker 2: Because if she did, I don't recall it. No, that's 183 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:34,759 interesting you say that because there were things that I 184 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,720 noticed that there was something that she may have I 185 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,159 noticed as I was listening. I'm like, hm, that's interesting, 186 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,639 she's not bringing these things up. She eventually did, and 187 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,559 I would say, like COVID was something she didn't really 188 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,600 talk about much in the book. At certain points you 189 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:49,679 did see it, but she didn't. There was not one 190 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,919 big chapter on it. When you're talking about the parts 191 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:56,639 where there were there were any kind of like mutinies 192 00:10:57,159 --> 00:11:01,639 within the party challenging her hour from the left within 193 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,639 our party, she didn't talk about that at least. I 194 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:10,639 also don't recall that she didn't really talk about George Floyd. 195 00:11:10,759 --> 00:11:14,200 And like twenty twenty was kind of a tiny cloth. 196 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,399 What's that the cloth she wore in the capitol? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 197 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,360 I thought that exact thing. I thought about that. I 198 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,600 was like, all of twenty twenty is kind of missing, 199 00:11:23,879 --> 00:11:25,679 or to the extent that it's brought up at all, 200 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,360 it's kind of glossed over. And you know, you remember 201 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:31,600 when she went to the there were the lockdowns, and 202 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:35,039 she went and got her hair done against all ordinances everywhere, 203 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,799 but in particular where what if she said San Francisco, 204 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,559 she goes and gets her hair done at a a 205 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,279 long that was supposed to be closed. All those things 206 00:11:42,279 --> 00:11:44,240 that would reflect poorly on her, which I mean, I 207 00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:47,759 get it why you would maybe not bring those things up, 208 00:11:47,799 --> 00:11:50,840 but also I would say that reflect poorly on the 209 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:54,559 party at large. COVID is not something that Democrats want 210 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,960 to talk about. BLM rioting in twenty twenty not something 211 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,639 that Democrats like talking about. So I noticed that those 212 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:04,039 were missing. And yet you bring up another really good 213 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,840 one that she did not really talk about challenges to 214 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:09,519 her power from within her party. 215 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,639 Speaker 1: And maybe it was just too late in the in 216 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,399 the publication process, but I kind of wish she had 217 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:20,879 been able to talk about Joe Biden this summer. I mean, 218 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:24,679 the book still came out, uh, you know, more than 219 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,120 a month after Biden had stepped down from being denominee. 220 00:12:29,159 --> 00:12:30,799 I feel like there still could have been time to 221 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,039 write about that in here. And I don't know with 222 00:12:34,159 --> 00:12:38,519 her publisher what their what their calendar was, but and 223 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,320 maybe she's she's given enough interviews on that to where 224 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,440 we kind of mean she talked about in her interview 225 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,159 with Bill Maher and some other outlets. But I guess 226 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,440 for a political legacy book, I was kind of surprised. 227 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,679 I guess she she would want that in there, but 228 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,120 again that could be it's like a publisher calendar issue. 229 00:12:55,879 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: But well, also also just to say, something I was 230 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,840 mindful of is that this is coming out at the 231 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:05,360 you know the second half of an election year, you know, 232 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,559 just before the election. I think that there were a 233 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,919 lot of there were a lot of calculations that do 234 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:14,200 not distract in some way from the race and how 235 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:16,960 you know, how important and critical it is for their 236 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:20,799 electoral chances. I do think that the timing of the 237 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:23,440 book's release is why you didn't see. Like I said, 238 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,639 I think that COVID was deliberately deliberately left out same 239 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:30,840 thing for BLM pretty much all of twenty twenty, just 240 00:13:30,879 --> 00:13:34,000 like you said, the challenges to her speakership. And then also, yeah, 241 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,879 that's another good one you raised as because she talks 242 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:39,080 about Biden, but and only in good ways, only positive ways, 243 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,279 only talks about how great of a president he was 244 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:48,080 and the most consequential president in history. But I really 245 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:50,480 think that that was a calculation because it's it came 246 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:51,360 out so close to the. 247 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,399 Speaker 1: Election, right In some of this stuff, I just wasn't 248 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,879 really politically plugged in for I mean, she's talking about 249 00:13:57,879 --> 00:13:59,440 like the two thousand and eight financial crisis. 250 00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: I was a year old. She talking about the invasion 251 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:03,480 of I Rock. 252 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: I was five, So it was kind of interesting to 253 00:14:06,759 --> 00:14:08,919 kind of look back at. You know, I still watch 254 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,720 the news as a child, so I generally knew that 255 00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:14,720 things were going on so I just thought that was 256 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:17,320 really interesting to get kind of a behind the scenes account, 257 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,240 even if it was still a book by a politician 258 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,200 making political points. But I think more than twenty years removed, 259 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,039 she probably gave those issues a different picture. I guess 260 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,200 without some of the political considerations that she would have 261 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,759 written about Donald Trump in January sixth, for example. And 262 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,480 I love how she framed the impeachment Donald Trump as 263 00:14:38,519 --> 00:14:41,360 this like bipartisan triumph. At the end of her book, 264 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,639 she writes it was quote and she cites Liz Cheney 265 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:49,200 as an example of this. It granted, Cheney at the 266 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,320 time was number three Republican House leadership, but you talk 267 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:54,559 to any Republican party today, no one's going to say 268 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:57,440 she was disallowed from her own party in Wyoming. She 269 00:14:57,519 --> 00:15:03,639 lost overwhelmingly in that state. I'mary, but Pelosi writes, quote, 270 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:06,480 it was the most bipartisan impeachment vote in US history, 271 00:15:06,799 --> 00:15:08,559 and she got I think it was what a dozen 272 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:12,720 Republicans in the House to support that impeachment. So it's 273 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,559 by no means this this big broad bipartisan triumph that 274 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,080 she put on. I guess it really seems to me 275 00:15:19,159 --> 00:15:22,000 that this was what we were at the Federals calling 276 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,720 it five years ago an asterisk impeachment meant to uh 277 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,799 to sneer Donald Trump as this you know, convicted felon 278 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,000 that was a villain of the Democratic Party and then 279 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,639 their eyes a villain of the country. 280 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, the the impeachment stuff, she did get into a 281 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,440 lot of that. Something that I thought was then I 282 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,120 just thought about this as you were talking about about that, 283 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,559 but not to change the subject, but it was just 284 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,840 I didn't want to lose it. It was kind of 285 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,639 we read the Kamala book and what I the similarity 286 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:58,559 between the two that I really saw, And I'm wondering 287 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:03,720 if this is all women Democrat books where there's so 288 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:09,519 much of this like reprimanding other men. So there was 289 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:14,080 this one scene in Pelosi's book where so well, first 290 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:15,600 I'll just say with Kamala, it was a lot of 291 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,440 like her time as Attorney General in California, and like 292 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:22,759 she's taking on the big corporations and it's a room 293 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:24,399 full of men and she has to and like all 294 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,000 these little like nappy comebacks, she has to, like people 295 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,399 write that was Kamma's for this. This was like a 296 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:34,840 lot of her dealing with the senior leadership before she 297 00:16:34,879 --> 00:16:37,159 became speakers, a senior leadership of the Democrat Party, which 298 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,240 was always men and dealing with men from the White House. 299 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:42,360 Whenever she's dealing with the Bush White House or the 300 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,360 Obama White House, whatever, it's always men. There was this 301 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:49,840 one scene that I thought was like, just again, I'm 302 00:16:49,879 --> 00:16:52,720 wondering if it's like, if it's a Democrat woman thing 303 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,320 that they have to like they have to assert themselves 304 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,720 in a way where they were and they do that 305 00:16:56,799 --> 00:17:00,080 by like talking about some man that they reprimanded. And 306 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,159 again I kind of think it's it's unbecoming in a 307 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:05,640 large way, like it it leaves a bad taste in 308 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,640 my mouth. But there's this one scene where she's I 309 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,240 can't remember his name, but I think it was like 310 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:13,839 either an economic advisor or the Treasury secretary under the 311 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,119 Bush and this is about about the economic collapse that 312 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,119 we had in two thousand and eight, where he's coming 313 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,440 and telling them we need like a rescue package and 314 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,559 it's got to be it's like it's gonna it's got 315 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:29,079 Henry Polson, Yes, exactly, that was who was he was 316 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:29,759 he the Treasury? 317 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a Treasury secretary for Bush during during 318 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:33,559 the crisis. 319 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:36,279 Speaker 2: Okay, right, So she's meeting with him and also like 320 00:17:36,319 --> 00:17:39,240 the Senate Senate leadership, and he's saying, like how much 321 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,559 money they need? And I guess I don't know if 322 00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:44,720 it was if it was I think it was Harry 323 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:47,279 Reid that's like, well, do you need this amount? Or 324 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:48,880 maybe it was Schumer. I can't remember, but it was like, 325 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,880 do you is this the amount that you think you're 326 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,160 gonna need? And I guess the Treasury Secretary says, we're 327 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,039 getting warmer, and Pelosi is she you know, it's supposed 328 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:02,240 to be this dramatic moment where she's really asserting herself 329 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:04,359 to a man in the room in front of other men, 330 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:09,880 and she says that she said to him, mister Secretary, 331 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,960 that is not how you address the Senate leader when 332 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:14,759 we're talking about you know. 333 00:18:14,839 --> 00:18:16,559 Speaker 1: It was just like this whole thing that she was like, 334 00:18:16,599 --> 00:18:19,119 you're getting warmer, You're getting warmer, You're getting warmer. And 335 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,200 she was like, that is not how to talk to 336 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:22,920 the Senate. 337 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: Which is just I don't know. Again, it was just 338 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,480 a similarity I found between Kamala's book and Pelosi's book, 339 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:32,920 And I'm just wondering, is this how all Democrat women 340 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:35,599 have to like they've got something to prove, and it's 341 00:18:35,599 --> 00:18:38,319 always done by way of like. And here's this man 342 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,400 that I put in his place, and here's another man 343 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,359 that I reprimanded. 344 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:48,759 Speaker 3: Right now, is Kamala trying to earn the dumb vote? 345 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:51,680 The watched Alton on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski 346 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,559 Every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and 347 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:57,400 the economy and how it affects your wallet. Kamala Harris 348 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,839 is pitching twenty five thousand dollars for first home buyers 349 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,279 while trying to build millions of new homes with government funds, 350 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,559 all while using small businesses as straw men. Whether it's 351 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:09,759 happening in DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting 352 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:10,480 you financially. 353 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:11,079 Speaker 2: Be informed. 354 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,279 Speaker 3: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris 355 00:19:13,279 --> 00:19:16,200 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. 356 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:20,839 Speaker 2: Well, I think the. 357 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:26,079 Speaker 1: Currents of identity politics are so strong in the Democratic Party, 358 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:29,119 and the two books we read were, to their credit, 359 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:33,000 women figures who are becoming first Right, So, Nancy Pelosi 360 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,400 is the first woman Speaker of the House, Kamala Harris 361 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,000 first woman vice president, and could be first woman president. 362 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,480 But I think you're right in that it was very 363 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:48,920 much there is. There's definitely a tone to that, right, 364 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,759 And so i'd be curious, I guess, I guess, I 365 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:54,119 guess we have to read some books by liberal men. Now, right, 366 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:56,400 does m Hoff have a book? 367 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 2: I have no idea that though, gosh, I don't know 368 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,519 that one that we'd really want to torture ourselves with. 369 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:04,559 But now, I mean, that's a that's a good point. 370 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:08,960 Maybe maybe there are other figures who like the you know. 371 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:11,200 And again I got because it could this could be 372 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:13,519 something that's just like a political like type book. I mean, 373 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:17,319 I think that the most like recent thing I might 374 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,119 compare it to who is not a liberal woman? What's 375 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,920 her name? Christine nome uh and you know, one of 376 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,319 her the way she the way she kind of like 377 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,319 asserts herself is with that stupid story about shooting the dog. 378 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,839 I think that, you know, and I read Sarah Palin's 379 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,200 biography back in two thousand, was like two thousand and 380 00:20:36,279 --> 00:20:39,319 nine or ten or something, and I didn't feel that 381 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,839 there's this like angry need to like assert their dominance 382 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:48,480 or or at a very least assert that they're they're 383 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:51,039 like equality that they have that they feel like they 384 00:20:51,079 --> 00:20:53,839 need to to prove or something. I don't I don't know. 385 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,000 But I also didn't read Christine Noman's book. But it 386 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,480 just seems like, Okay, well she shot a dog that's 387 00:20:58,519 --> 00:21:01,559 also pretty stupid in crane or she says she did. 388 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,759 I actually have real doubts about whether the story is true. 389 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:06,559 But you know, I don't know the difference. Oh that 390 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,359 is totally true, she shocks me. It's true. Oh, totally 391 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,920 totally well or dog. But anyway, that's that was just 392 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,519 the closest comparison I could make, Like maybe that's the 393 00:21:16,519 --> 00:21:19,480 there's a difference there, but maybe not. Well, we will be. 394 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,839 Speaker 1: Reading Mania Trump's book next month, and of course I 395 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:25,759 would invite our listeners to send us any recommendations that 396 00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:28,400 they want to hear us breakdown again. Email is Radio 397 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,039 at the Federals dot com. But next book we are 398 00:21:31,079 --> 00:21:33,880 definitely doing is is Milania Trump's books. So I'm kind 399 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,480 of curious. I'm curious about that book for a whole 400 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,279 host of reasons. 401 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,759 Speaker 2: But they're not a picture book. I thought it was 402 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:42,480 like a coffee table book. It's not, Oh is it? 403 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: It was? 404 00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: It was thirty dollars. I thought picture books are usually 405 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,079 a little bit more. Maybe I don't know, because yeah, 406 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:49,440 I didn't look. But but also she well I guess 407 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,519 maybe it is more because didn't when she's like done 408 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:55,160 little like ads for it on social media has been 409 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,319 more like she's kind of like did doesn't she mention 410 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,200 like the assassination attempts on her husband, and like she 411 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,599 mentioned something else, and it's like, so maybe she it 412 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,400 is like a memoir and she's getting through. That'll be 413 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,880 that'll be an interesting read for sure. 414 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean she's not to distract from the 415 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,640 Pelosi book too much, but she does. She's a very 416 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:16,960 quiet person. I mean, she doesn't she didn't really have 417 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:20,440 this big public profile that previous first ladies have had. 418 00:22:20,519 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 2: She's such just like mysterious. 419 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:25,839 Speaker 1: Figure and and and I mean I think the Trump 420 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,200 family I've seen reporting that Donald Trump apparently likes kind 421 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:34,079 of the palace intrigue. But I think the book is 422 00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:36,079 going to be fascinating to come out a month before 423 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,559 the selection from someone who has really largely remained silent 424 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,079 except for talking to gay Republicans. 425 00:22:43,839 --> 00:22:45,759 Speaker 2: Oh right, Yeah, that's such a that's such a thing. Yeah, 426 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,880 we don't need to get off too off topic of 427 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,359 the policy book, but I will say I think that's 428 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,640 one of the most interesting things about how, you know, 429 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,720 the media doesn't really talk about it. The media does 430 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,200 not talk about how Milania is. Yes, very uh withdrawn 431 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,920 from a lot of things book, especially politics, but that's 432 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,519 not the case. She is very much involved with like 433 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,400 advancing gay Republican gay Republican groups and that kind of thing. 434 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,000 And that's actually really interesting. But anyway, let's get back 435 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,519 to anyway, and. 436 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: I actually love that because it ties back to the book, 437 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,240 is that, you know, the left is so obsessed with 438 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,079 calling Donald Trump and anyone. So she with Donald Trump 439 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,680 this big dad threat to democracy, the republic in the country, 440 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,000 and you know it's going to be the second coming 441 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,519 of Hitler in the twenty first century. 442 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: I mean, Nancy Pelosi. 443 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: She writes about Trump, and of course extensively writes about 444 00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:37,519 Trump and her book she writes, the threat to our 445 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:39,880 democracy is real, present and urgent. 446 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,319 Speaker 2: But no one, no one can explain. 447 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: On the Democratic Party exactly how Donald Trump is a 448 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,440 threat to our democracy. I mean, no one articulates what 449 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,960 he's going to do direct the Republic. Everyone just says 450 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,839 well January sixth, Okay, well he lost in twenty twenty, 451 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,400 and then you see this kind of turmoil with the 452 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,759 you know, objecting to the electoral College, and it's like okay, 453 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,880 and they're saying, well, especially if Donald Trump wins, he's 454 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,720 a threat to democracy. It's like, okay, why don't how 455 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,519 And so it's kind of like the same thing with 456 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,680 mind talking to gay Republican is that they want to 457 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,680 they need homophobia to exist on a plane that just 458 00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:20,400 doesn't because otherwise they don't really have much to campaign on. 459 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:22,319 It's kind of like when they so when they're calling 460 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,359 Donald Trump this you know, threat to gay people, and 461 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,839 it's like, okay, this is a Manhattan businessman who is 462 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,160 the first president to come into office support a gay marriage. 463 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 2: And I'm so I'm so. 464 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,039 Speaker 1: Happy the Republican Party finally kind of put this issue 465 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,640 to rest this summer when they changed the platform to 466 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,200 remove the explicit endorsement for traditional marriage from it. It's 467 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,720 like this, this is like the most gay friendly president 468 00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:47,599 we've had in decades, who uh, you know, didn't change 469 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,160 his position in office on the whims of public opinion. 470 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,240 And so Nancy Pelosi I looked throughout her book. You know, 471 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,440 where where does she say that, you know, Donald Trump 472 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:01,359 hates it is bad for gay people in Bachelor of Republic. 473 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,079 Speaker 2: She can't explain how. 474 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's a very big meekness Democrats have, 475 00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:08,519 because it's it's like the way Pride Wolf, you know, 476 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:12,200 every time I think it's it's gonna become very numbing 477 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,119 that I mean, it's it's becoming a little bit like 478 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,759 white noise. It's just this kind of frequent talking point. 479 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:21,119 No one really believes it, and Americans are really becoming 480 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,279 numb to that messaging well because they rely so heavily 481 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,200 with good reason. Uh, they have every reason to believe 482 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,079 they can rely on the media. The media just is 483 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,839 just full of you know, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, 484 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:43,599 Washington Post, just just this constant wall, just giant monolith 485 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:47,359 is just coming at you telling you that he's that 486 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,240 Trump and everything you know it's and all his supporters 487 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,559 are white supremacists, and they're all. 488 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, these primitive bigots. You know. So the 489 00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:59,759 Democrats they don't even have to make that case. They 490 00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:02,119 just say things like follows the Inner Book, like it's 491 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,200 a threat to democracy and uh, you know, we're going 492 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:06,440 to lose our democracy if if Trump is enough and 493 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:09,519 like and that you there, if you were to try 494 00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:12,319 and like follow it to its logical end, it never 495 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,920 really makes sense. One time I was on the phone 496 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,359 with this, I forget. I think it was like the 497 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,279 Telegraph or so it was on like British British or no, 498 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,160 actually I think it might have been Swedish because I 499 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,680 think it was in a different language. This is this 500 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:29,759 is back I think before before the election, before twenty twenty. No, 501 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,359 we were in twenty twenty, but it was before the 502 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,680 actual election. And she asked me, do you think there's 503 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,240 any chance that like Donald Trump won't give up power? 504 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,720 And okay, does that sound that sounds scary? I guess 505 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,000 when you put it that way, But you got to 506 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,720 think how does that work in practice? And I said, okay, 507 00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:53,319 is this the theory that he like, you know, he 508 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,519 won't leave the presidency and that you know, he stays 509 00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:58,839 past and like, because you know, there's if he can 510 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,880 if he doesn't physically leave the White House, they will 511 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,799 drag him out. But also everyone else in his cabinet 512 00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:09,039 is leaving. They're all leaving. William Barr he said, who 513 00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:11,279 they You know, they thought was this like this total 514 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,640 like dude who did everything as the attorney general for 515 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,000 Trump and did all his like dirty or legal dirty work. 516 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:19,720 He said. He said, I'm leaving. I'm leaving. He's like, 517 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:22,119 I don't you're asking me about Donald Trump. I'm telling 518 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,319 you I'm leaving at the end of this term. Uh. 519 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,039 And pretty much every every other cabinet member like they're 520 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,480 they're going. So what does it mean that he's he's 521 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,359 gonna hang on to power? Like no, everyone knows that 522 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,599 their time is done. Okay, time to go. 523 00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 3: Uh. 524 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 2: But you know, you've got the Democrats. They just they 525 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,960 can come out and say something like Pelosi, which is 526 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,759 threats democracy and just expect fully expects, uh for the 527 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:47,480 media to repeat it, for them to kind of make 528 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:49,319 the case that, you know, you've got that that one 529 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,799 lawyer who's always in the New York Times Elios or whatever. 530 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,799 He's like Marcus, Yeah, he's the one who they just 531 00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:58,039 in the New York Times Prime whatever he says, and 532 00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:00,680 it's always just ridiculous. But you know, because he's a lawyer, 533 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,559 it's supposed to be authoritative. But yeah, no it is. 534 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:08,519 It's just Democrats. You couldn't expect them to actually make 535 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:11,119 a case to back up any any such claim calling 536 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,240 you know, trumpel white supremacist or any of that. But 537 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:15,160 the media will do it. They do it for him 538 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:15,920 every time. 539 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: Right, and the media will even give Democrats their talking points. 540 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,279 I mean, they'll just kind of create these stories out 541 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,279 of thin air, whether it was the Russia hoax or 542 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:28,200 something else. And actually a fair amount, a fair amount 543 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,640 of that fake news made into Pelosi's book. I mean, 544 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,880 she's talking about how all these officers died on January sixth, 545 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,000 and then she names them, including Brian Sickness, Brian Sicknick, 546 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,680 who is at Capitol police officer who died of natural 547 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,880 causes like days later. 548 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 2: But everyone's blaming the riot. 549 00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:47,519 Speaker 1: That's even after a medical examiner published their report on 550 00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:50,319 him saying that he did not die from a fire sting, 551 00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:51,359 which you're hitting him in the head. 552 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: Of course, we have January six tapes from the Capitol. 553 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: They were released by Tacher Carlson showing he's just walking around, 554 00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:01,319 you know, brilliant, fine around the Capital after he was 555 00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:03,319 supposed to be, you know, bludgeoned to death by this 556 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,839 fire extinguisher and of course it's she talks about early 557 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:10,920 in the book how Donald Trump is calling I'll just 558 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,960 I'll just read straight in the book, Trump may think 559 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,519 that Americans died in the war, and she's talking about 560 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,039 one of the world wars. Here are quote suckers and losers, 561 00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:22,519 as he told his then chief of staff John Kelly, 562 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,319 which is like some of the fakest news from twenty twenty. 563 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,079 Speaker 2: It was this anonymously sourced story from. 564 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,039 Speaker 1: The Atlantic that you had more than you had, like 565 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,480 more than thirty Trump officials come out on the record 566 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,119 saying Trump did not say that, including you know, Sarah 567 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,519 Huckabee Sanders, and then even people who are who are 568 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:47,319 not Trump's biggest fans, John Bolton was there coming out 569 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:50,000 and calling the story a complete lie. But because John 570 00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:54,079 Kelly said it, it came out and apparently confirmed what 571 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,880 he probably said anonymously to the Atlantic. 572 00:29:58,039 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: You know, the media just just picked it up and 573 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,200 reign with it. Yeah, and it's so cartoonish. And what's 574 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,400 weird about stories like that? This is what kind of 575 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,000 continues to like fascinate me about when when Democrats repeat 576 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,720 these stories, not so much the media, because I don't 577 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:18,559 I really feel like you just see their their credibility 578 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,119 is like it's not there. I think people really get 579 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:24,680 their news now from I mean, it's still very powerful. 580 00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:28,680 It's still very very powerful the media, the legacy media, 581 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,559 if you want to call them that. But I think 582 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,359 that it's just that it's really just petering out at 583 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,799 such a rapid race. But when Democrats repeat these lies, 584 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:41,440 like uh, when Biden said he was at the White House, 585 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,000 I believe this is during a briefing with reporters and 586 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,960 or like a press conference something he mentioned, how how 587 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:52,039 you know that thing? Trump told people during COVID to 588 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,559 inject themselves with bleach as treatment. And I hear that, 589 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,279 And I'm thinking, does anyone watching, even the most passive 590 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,799 uh consumer of news, did they hear that and take 591 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,680 it seriously? Because I would want to. I if that 592 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:09,480 was news to me, I would go, wait he said that? 593 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,519 Where did he say that? And then I'd look it up. 594 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:13,359 I would actually look it up and wanted to. Maybe 595 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,000 maybe I don't give every like the average person that credit. 596 00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:17,680 I mean, people are busy, they don't want, they don't 597 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,119 they don't have time to look things up. Maybe they 598 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,359 just believe it. But I'm like something that sounds so outlandish. 599 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,640 Don't you actually want to look it up and see, 600 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,039 like where where did they? Where did he say that? 601 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:30,000 Where did he call them sockers and losers? Where is 602 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,319 the video of that? Where's the audio? Where? Okay, well, 603 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,559 here's the video of Trump saying supposedly inject them with bleach, 604 00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,200 which is literally not what he said. What he said 605 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,640 was they found that it disinfectants work. We could maybe 606 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,400 replicate that, right, Like he's talking to what's her name, 607 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,599 Birch or whatever her name was, U, yeah, Burks, Yeah, 608 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,319 you know he's it was. It was such an innocuous 609 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:54,200 comment that it's like, you know, do you like for 610 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,759 you to you're repeating this thing that like just sounds 611 00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:58,920 so absurd. Do people not look it up? But but 612 00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:00,960 I don't know. Again, it's kind of like, well, well, 613 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,279 the media will continue, they will continue talking about it. 614 00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,319 And you're right, this is kind of something that has 615 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:09,680 been somewhat somewhat of a new revelation for me. You 616 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,640 said that the media will give democrats talking points. Yeah, 617 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,680 because for a long time was kind of understood or 618 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,599 taken for granted that the media work for democrats. But no, 619 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:24,240 it works more like a partnership. They both work. Neither 620 00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:26,599 of them is superior to the other one or inferior. 621 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,039 It depends on what the goal is, and they're constantly 622 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,400 working towards the same goal because they will. They will. 623 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,240 The media will take a Democrat out, case in point, 624 00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:38,720 removing Biden as the nominee. They will take a Democrat 625 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:42,559 out if it if it means, you know, getting them 626 00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,680 closer to power, making their chances to get to hold 627 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,000 on to power more likely. So yeah, like you said, 628 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,720 they will, they will hand it will work and divorce 629 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,400 the reverse. Rather, the media will hand democrats talking points. 630 00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:00,240 And here's another. I just add the book in front 631 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,359 of me, and you're talking about her Caddie remarks. This 632 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,519 is I think one of one of my favorite times 633 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,400 instances of that happening. She writes, Trump made the remark, 634 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,240 and she's talking about the suckers and losers quote. Trump 635 00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:14,319 made the remark after having reviewed refused to visit an 636 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:18,519 American cemetery near Paris. But the only loser is him. 637 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,119 I can just remember I was actually listening to her 638 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,680 to say that, and she said it in such a 639 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,839 way that was just so starky. But of course it 640 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,039 was like it was bad weather. 641 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,559 Speaker 1: And of course this is the whole story was debunked 642 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:34,920 by Sony people who went on the record to say that. 643 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,960 But but, and you just wrap up, what are some 644 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,759 of your last thoughts on this and and what do 645 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:43,359 you expect to hear from Malania Trump in a week? 646 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,559 Speaker 2: I am interested to hear about the Malania Trump thing. 647 00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:52,039 I would hope that you know you're asking for a lot, 648 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:54,559 because it's, like you said, it's kind of like people 649 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:59,000 trying to put themselves in the best light, and you know, 650 00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,480 this is this is my version of events that I 651 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:05,799 want you to believe about me and my legacy. The 652 00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:09,039 books would make so much of a more interesting, lively, 653 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:14,239 better read if they were more forthcoming and honest about 654 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,199 their thoughts. I think again, like I maybe we'll see 655 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,800 some of that in Malanie's book. But with Pelosi, the 656 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,719 really only lasting parts that I thought were newsworthy or 657 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,480 remember is again she's talking about the process to get 658 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,960 through legislation under Obama, and it was the first time 659 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,480 I really heard her kind of criticize him and feel it. 660 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,639 And what's funny about that is actually that anytime publicly 661 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,599 from the time that they passed it until now. Obama 662 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,079 is always saying I couldn't have done it without Pelosi. 663 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,519 He always says that. But what kind of made me 664 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,320 what I think I realized now after reading that part 665 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,679 of the book is that she nagged him and the 666 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,000 staff so much about feeling like she wasn't getting the credit, 667 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,079 and that her colleagues in the House, the Democrats, weren't 668 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:08,079 getting the credit, but mostly her. That they've told me 669 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:11,679 that Obama's people have told him, please make sure to 670 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,679 thank Pelosi, Please say that she helps you with this 671 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,440 and you couldn't have done it without her. Otherwise we're 672 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,679 going to keep hearing from her so that I don't know. 673 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,760 That was maybe my favorite part of the book, But 674 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,920 otherwise they're all kind of they just don't tell enough 675 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,000 of they don't spill the tea, you know, well, I am, 676 00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:30,840 I am. I'm hoping that Malania Trump spilled some tea. 677 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: But with Eddie, you've been listening to another edition of 678 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,679 Federal Austradio. Our i'mterest in Justice will be back soon 679 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,119 with more. Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious 680 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:53,840 for the fray