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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Hi, it's your old buddy Alley Ward, your old

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<v Speaker 1>weird dad, wearing corduroy pants, coming to you from a

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<v Speaker 1>hotel room in Portland, Oregon, overlooking a bus stop in

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<v Speaker 1>a variety of dumpsters.

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<v Speaker 2>But in this episode will all be transported to Rome

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<v Speaker 2>and a small theater in Texas, and Mesopotamia and the

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<v Speaker 2>underworld and the Amazon and Detroit. Because mythology, let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about myths. There are two things. There are sweeping epic

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<v Speaker 2>tales that transcend time and culture, and then there's also

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<v Speaker 2>weird schoolyard lies like tongue kissing will make you pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>For this episode, we're focusing on the sweeping epics. So

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<v Speaker 2>where does myth come from? Well, in short, it's Greek.

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<v Speaker 2>It means story or word, so narratives. Now, before we

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<v Speaker 2>meet our ologist, I do want to tell you a

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<v Speaker 2>story about this lady who makes a podcast and every

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<v Speaker 2>week she would creep into a cave also known as

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<v Speaker 2>her closet field laundry and read all of the magical

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<v Speaker 2>reviews that beautiful elves with ears would leave her and

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<v Speaker 2>it would make her so happy, and like a clarion call,

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<v Speaker 2>it would make the podcast go up in the charts

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<v Speaker 2>and alert everyone in the land to listen. So what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying is I creepyr reviews. I read every single

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<v Speaker 2>review you guys leave and it makes me so happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so so much. And every week I like

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<v Speaker 2>to read a review that just tickled me a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>just tickled me. This week's review, Lance Jegerson says, good pod. Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very good pod. It starts off casual, it

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<v Speaker 2>then says I literally changed my major to become a

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<v Speaker 2>science teacher because of this podcast. It's amazing, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>what get it.

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you for the reviews. I read them all.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, thank you to everyone throwing magical coins into my

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<v Speaker 2>patreon dot com slash ologies well and supporting the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and for buying merch atologiesmerch dot com. There's so many

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<v Speaker 2>cool shirts and hats and pins and totes, so that

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<v Speaker 2>goes to support the podcast. Okay, back to myths. So

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't started releasing any episodes of Ologies yet. This

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<v Speaker 2>is last year. One day I went to the La

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<v Speaker 2>Zoo to meet up with episode two's primatologist. If you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to that episode, you know the story. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>little embarrassing on my part, but it ends well. But

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<v Speaker 2>while there I met a friend of a friend who

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<v Speaker 2>is married to a mythologist. She's like, you're look a morologists.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a mythologist and my reaction was like, holy shit, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>mythology is an ology.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't even think about that one.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had this guy in my list for almost

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<v Speaker 2>a year before sitting down with him, and it turns

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<v Speaker 2>out he's like a really big deal. He has a

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<v Speaker 2>PhD in mythology and he's written books on narrative structure

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<v Speaker 2>and has worked with like Morgan Freeman and Juliet Roberts

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<v Speaker 2>and Matt Damon and Paul McCartney and Denzel Washington and

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of other people that I'm probably not even

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<v Speaker 2>listing right now. Anyway, He's great. He's very passionate about

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<v Speaker 2>myths and he works in the movie business to make

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<v Speaker 2>them better. So we exchanged emails for like a million months,

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<v Speaker 2>and then finally I went to his house. It was

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<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl Sunday, and I was like, I'm so sorry

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<v Speaker 2>that I scheduled this on Super Bowl Sunday and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't give a shit, and I was like cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And his house is filled with all of this crazy

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<v Speaker 2>movie memorabilia and antique projectors and gramophones and wax cylinders,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I spent a good forty minutes before

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<v Speaker 2>we even started recording just trying not to touch expensive

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<v Speaker 2>antiques in his house. So he and his wife Katie

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<v Speaker 2>are amazing. They welcomed me in. We went to his study,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we sat down to talk about myths and

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Campbell and Star Wars and how while Disney ruined

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<v Speaker 2>cautionary Tales for Little Girls and the Underworld and Elvira.

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<v Speaker 2>So please get ready to fall in love with mythology

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<v Speaker 2>and narrative structure all over again, while also learning some

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<v Speaker 2>very valuable lessons about yourself and your own human psychology

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<v Speaker 2>in the way that you tell your story to yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>In the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Who boy with mythologist John Booker.

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<v Speaker 4>It's pronounced Booker, but it's spelled b u c ch

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<v Speaker 4>e er. My ancestors did me no favor with that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been one of the banes of my existence. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's John Booker, And I'm so sorry. I just I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like I have to apologize for my name.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you did, because I was like, when is

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<v Speaker 2>he going to apologize for how his name is pronounced,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is really upsetting to me. My last name

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<v Speaker 2>is pronounced. Now you are a.

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<v Speaker 3>Mythologist, I am a mythologist. Does your business card say that?

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<v Speaker 4>Actually?

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<v Speaker 3>Does it does?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>At what point did you get to call yourself a mythologist?

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<v Speaker 4>I went after my doctorate in mythology that at that

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<v Speaker 4>point you get to call yourself a mythologist when you

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<v Speaker 4>knock that PhD in mythology out. The pacifica graduate institute

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<v Speaker 4>in Santa Barbara is one of the only places in

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<v Speaker 4>the world that you can actually get a doctorate in mythology,

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<v Speaker 4>and that is where the Joseph Campbell Libraries exist, which

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<v Speaker 4>is one of the reasons I chose to go to

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<v Speaker 4>that school because I really was interested in this guy

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<v Speaker 4>named Joseph Campbell, who I had heard about from this

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<v Speaker 4>guy you probably haven't heard of named George Lucas, up.

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<v Speaker 2>And comer in the year nineteen seventy one. George Lucas

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<v Speaker 2>was in a bunch of personal debt, which always makes

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<v Speaker 2>me wonder, like I wonder what he was buying. I

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<v Speaker 2>like to think he was spending the money on like

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<v Speaker 2>yoga classes and too much Doctor Pepper. But anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably what I would spend it on. But he started

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<v Speaker 2>writing a movie about a Jedi warrior, which was okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Universal Studios, right, it was like yeah, no, sorry, loser.

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<v Speaker 2>So the story goes that Lucas revisited some of Joseph

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<v Speaker 2>Campbell's works about mythology, He tweaked the script, sent another

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<v Speaker 2>draft to twentieth Century Fox and they were like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>this is tight, and George Lucas is now worth five

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<v Speaker 2>point three billion dollars thanks Joe Campbell.

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<v Speaker 4>Few people went and saw the movie, and now we

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<v Speaker 4>sort of looked to Joseph Campbell as being one of

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<v Speaker 4>the spiritual fathers of Star Wars. But it also opened

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<v Speaker 4>up a lot of people's imagination to the role of

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<v Speaker 4>mythology in our current society, which I think is super interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me a little bit of a one oh one

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<v Speaker 2>on Joseph Campbell, because I feel like I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>who Joseph Campbell was until I moved to Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 2>and started dating screenwriters, and then there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the bookshelves are like mostly Joseph Campbell. But can you

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<v Speaker 2>give me a little bit of a primer on what

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<v Speaker 2>his deal was and why he suddenly was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is how you tell a story.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Joseph Campbell was a academic guy, but someone who

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<v Speaker 4>never got a doctorate, but someone whose curiosity became an

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<v Speaker 4>utter passion about why different cultures around the world had

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<v Speaker 4>told the same stories when they had never come in

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<v Speaker 4>contact with each other. So I'll give you an example.

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<v Speaker 4>Every culture in the world has a flood story about

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<v Speaker 4>how the whole earth was flooded and things started over.

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<v Speaker 4>Most of us in Western culture, of course, associate that

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<v Speaker 4>with Noah and the Bible. But every culture has this

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<v Speaker 4>flood story. And Joseph Campbell began to look at that

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<v Speaker 4>and noticed, actually there were stories of floods that predated

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<v Speaker 4>the Hebrew scriptures. And we see this in Amazonian culture,

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<v Speaker 4>we see this in Greek culture, we see it in

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<v Speaker 4>Roman culture, Asian culture, all over the world. For some reason,

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<v Speaker 4>there was some need in human beings to have a

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<v Speaker 4>story that people pointed to that was about the whole

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<v Speaker 4>earth being flooded.

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<v Speaker 3>Where does a where does the hit movie water World

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<v Speaker 4>That is a great question, because that is our modern

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<v Speaker 4>retelling of the flood story. And I think we can

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<v Speaker 4>see how far things have come now that we've got

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<v Speaker 4>Kevin cost on the job. Really, is their need ever

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<v Speaker 4>again to tell that flood story? I think not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a new new testament.

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<v Speaker 2>Water World was the nineteen ninety five Kevin Costner flick

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<v Speaker 2>that was essentially Mad Max meets Burning Man in the

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<v Speaker 2>open ocean, and it was the most expensive film ever

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<v Speaker 2>made at the time, one hundred and seventy five million bones,

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<v Speaker 2>yet it scored only forty two percent fresh on Rotten Tomatoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the production remains a myth in and of itself.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it's a tale of Hubris teaching us all

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<v Speaker 2>not to spend seventy five million over budget. Ever, ever,

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<v Speaker 2>one throw shade at your movie before it even comes

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<v Speaker 2>out and then make fun of it for years. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very applicable to all of our lives.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's not. Are these stories mostly cautionary tales?

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of like you know how you dream and in

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<v Speaker 2>your dream your narratives are usually rehearsals for terrible things

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<v Speaker 2>to come, So when it happens in real life, you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I got this out of this in dream.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that kind of what myths are?

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<v Speaker 4>Well? This is an excellent question, and it's also a

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<v Speaker 4>question that you kind of have to unpack for a

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<v Speaker 4>bit because it's interesting you bring up dreams because a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of myths are actually based on dreams or they

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<v Speaker 4>occur in the context of a dream. And this is

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<v Speaker 4>what connects mythology with depth psychology.

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<v Speaker 3>Quick definition.

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<v Speaker 2>I just looked up depth psychology is the study of

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<v Speaker 2>unconscious mental processes and motives, especially in psychoanalytic theory and practice.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's deep psychology. I tried to look up if

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<v Speaker 2>there's a field of shallow psychology, but I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>just like brunch.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's one of the big reasons people study mythology

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<v Speaker 4>is understanding the psyche of people that tell these stories.

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<v Speaker 4>So with depth psychology and dreams, we can We've determined

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<v Speaker 4>that when people have a dream, usually every character in

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<v Speaker 4>your dream is you. So if you even have a

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<v Speaker 4>dream about your parents and something weird happening, there's some

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<v Speaker 4>aspect of that dream where every character is you. So

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<v Speaker 4>your mother, that's some part of you that's playing that out.

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<v Speaker 4>Your father, that's some part of you that's playing that out.

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<v Speaker 4>So Joseph Campbell was one of the first to begin

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<v Speaker 4>to connect that idea of mythology and psychology and begin

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<v Speaker 4>to figure out, you know, there are these stories that

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<v Speaker 4>exist all over the world, perhaps because people are having

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<v Speaker 4>the same dreams and having the same experiences in their head,

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<v Speaker 4>which really began to open up a lot of curiosity

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<v Speaker 4>and other people to say, huh, I wonder if that's true,

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm guessing you and I have had some of

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<v Speaker 4>the same dreams. If you ever had that dream where

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<v Speaker 4>you feel like you're falling and right before you hit

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<v Speaker 4>the ground, you're like.

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<v Speaker 3>Ugh, yep oh. And then there's the tooth dream or

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<v Speaker 3>your teeth fallout.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I have this dream a lot where I

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<v Speaker 2>will find a new room in the house I live somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Suddenly like, whow I have another rumor? Who empty? Is

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<v Speaker 3>that a thing?

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<v Speaker 4>That's a thing? So psychologists and mythologists would say that

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<v Speaker 4>is usually our psyche that is wanting to open up

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<v Speaker 4>some new area of our life or some new area

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<v Speaker 4>in your experience that you should begin to let your

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<v Speaker 4>own curiosity seek out. Okay, what new areas do I

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<v Speaker 4>need to go into because there's something inside me that

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<v Speaker 2>So what was John's entree into mythology? How did that big, heavy,

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<v Speaker 4>When I saw Raiders of the Lost Arc, I determined

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<v Speaker 2>So he kept this name Joseph Campbell, bandied about by

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<v Speaker 2>reading his work. And then he found out Campbell's library

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<v Speaker 2>And he was like, whoa dude. He probably had a

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<v Speaker 4>And I thought, this is as close to Indiana Jones

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<v Speaker 4>I really do believe whatever we end up pursuing in

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<v Speaker 4>was going back to this little movie theater in downtown Tyler,

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<v Speaker 4>Texas that had broken seats and smelled like mildew. But somehow,

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<v Speaker 4>in the darkness among strangers, I was transported to another

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<v Speaker 4>sort of adventures I was seeing playing out in this

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<v Speaker 2>When you obtain a PhD in mythology, your life may

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<v Speaker 2>entail travels to places such as Italy, Greece, Malta, which

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<v Speaker 2>that I just looked up in Dubai, where you may

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<v Speaker 2>help infuse the ancient stories of mythology into amusement park

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<v Speaker 2>exhibits and other cool stuff and so on. At least

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<v Speaker 4>To have so my interest in mythology, or sort of

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<v Speaker 4>my brand, has become connecting the ancient stories, archetypes, and

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<v Speaker 4>symbols of the past with our modern cutting edge technology

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<v Speaker 4>and augmented reality, virtual reality, immersive storytelling.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to myths, Greek myths, Roman myths, why

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<v Speaker 2>are they so similar?

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<v Speaker 3>Which came first? And did you get hooked on.

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<v Speaker 2>Mythology as a kid at all in that way classic

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<v Speaker 2>mythology I did.

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<v Speaker 4>I loved classic mythology as a kid. I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 4>We just really studied Greek mythology when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 4>but I had no idea that you could actually somehow

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<v Speaker 4>involve a career in that. While I still love Greek mythology,

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<v Speaker 4>I really have come to appreciate mythology that predates Greek mythology,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is the Babylonian and Sumerian mythology. I'll give

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<v Speaker 4>you one very, very brief example of what I think

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<v Speaker 4>is one of the most powerful stories, and it originates

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<v Speaker 4>in the Lower Mesopotamian Valley with the Samerians. But I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to give you just a taste of the Greek

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<v Speaker 4>version of it. And the Greeks called this myth the

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<v Speaker 4>story of Demeter and Persephone. Okay, and what it was

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<v Speaker 4>is persephones one day out she's gathering pomegranates and she's

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<v Speaker 4>having a great time. She's out with her girlfriends. They're

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<v Speaker 4>just walking around enjoying the Greek life, and all of

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<v Speaker 4>a sudden, out of nowhere, Hades comes up from the

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<v Speaker 4>underworld writing a cherry. It snatches up Persephone, takes her

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<v Speaker 4>back down to the underworld and keeps her.

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<v Speaker 4>She she can't believe this would happen. She's sort of

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<v Speaker 4>a thing going on with Zeus. So she goes to

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<v Speaker 4>Zeus and she's like, hey, I'll tell you what, if

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<v Speaker 4>you want to keep enjoying the fruits of my labor,

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<v Speaker 4>you're gonna go and send somebody to get my daughter

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<v Speaker 4>out of Hades. Zeus was really loving the love he

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<v Speaker 4>was getting from Demeter, and so he said, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna send my messenger down to go and get

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<v Speaker 4>Persephonie out of Hades. So he sends his messenger down

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<v Speaker 4>and the messenger tries to negotiate a deal and they

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<v Speaker 4>work out this of this deal where she's going to

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<v Speaker 4>spend part of the year up with her mother and

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<v Speaker 4>part of the year down in the underworld. Now, they

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<v Speaker 4>tell you later in the myth, actually that Persephone kind

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<v Speaker 4>of enjoyed being the goddess queen of the underworld. That

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<v Speaker 4>she got to kind of dig being the badass down

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<v Speaker 4>in the underworld, so she didn't really mind going back

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<v Speaker 4>for three months of the year. Now she would go

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<v Speaker 4>back to the underworld for three months of the year

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<v Speaker 4>her mother demit her goddess of the harvest, she would

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<v Speaker 4>have her heart broken for those three months. She wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>allow the grass to grow, she would allow it to

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<v Speaker 4>get very cold. And this was how the Greeks explained winter.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, Yeah, so, but that originates with the Samarians, right,

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<v Speaker 4>they're telling a version of that story long before the Greeks.

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<v Speaker 4>So in some ways myths are ways to explain things

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<v Speaker 4>about the world that we don't really know how to explain.

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<v Speaker 4>And so as we develop science and things like that,

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes myths go away. But I think what we lose

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<v Speaker 4>even when we develop better science, is we lose sort

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<v Speaker 4>of the archetypal meaning of what it means to go

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<v Speaker 4>away down to the underground. Do you ever go to

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<v Speaker 4>a city and it's like, I'm just going to go

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<v Speaker 4>to all the salty bars in this city, and I

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<v Speaker 4>just kind of need a low down, dirty experience here

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<v Speaker 4>in this city.

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<v Speaker 2>Right when I need to do that, I wear more eyeliner.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, look at me, look at me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so dark, Hollie.

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<v Speaker 4>We have so much in common. It's just crazy to

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<v Speaker 4>me how much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, it reminds me of Elvira. How she's played

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<v Speaker 2>by Cassandra. She's probably three months in the year she's Elvira.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of the time, she's just a redhead eaten

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<v Speaker 2>sushi in Hollywood, you know what I mean. So Elvira

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<v Speaker 2>Mistress of the Dark is according to some articles I

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<v Speaker 2>read about her, and I read more articles than I

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<v Speaker 2>needed to because I just couldn't stop. But she is

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<v Speaker 2>solidly booked for Halloween season engagements September through November, three

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<v Speaker 3>People.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of the time, she's a gentle Kansas born,

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<v Speaker 2>redheaded woman named Cassandra Peterson who's a vegetarian, loves watching

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix and singing. I'm telling you, I read a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of articles about her.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I also just quit tell you the mythological origins

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<v Speaker 4>of Cassandra, Yes, because that is a name that we

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<v Speaker 4>get from Greek mythology, and it's interesting in our day

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<v Speaker 4>and age, especially because Cassandra very beautiful woman, right, one

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<v Speaker 4>of the gods. Yeah, he starts hitting on her, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>starts hitting on her, and she's not having it. Because

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<v Speaker 4>she's not having it, he decides to up the anny

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<v Speaker 4>and give her a special gift. He decides to give

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<v Speaker 4>Cassandra the gift of prophecy. She's going to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to tell the future. She's still not having it. She's

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<v Speaker 4>just not gonna get with this guy. This god spits

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<v Speaker 4>in her mouth. Not cool, not cool, spits in her mouth,

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<v Speaker 4>and it curses her tongue that when she speaks prophecy,

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<v Speaker 4>no one will believe her. So she's this woman in

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<v Speaker 4>Greek mythology that has the ability to tell the future,

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<v Speaker 4>but the curse is that no one will believe her. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's a super super important myth for women

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<v Speaker 4>in our culture right now that they identify greatly with that,

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<v Speaker 4>and women have felt that way for thousands of years,

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<v Speaker 4>So I think that's a really important myth.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just like old timey gas lighting. To the extreme.

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<v Speaker 2>You can say that again, So tell me the basic

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<v Speaker 2>arc of a story, because I think once you start

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<v Speaker 2>kind of cracking open, like the Joseph Campbell the mythology box,

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<v Speaker 2>you start to realize every story is the same story,

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<v Speaker 2>same pattern. It's almost like a song. It's got a crescendo,

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<v Speaker 2>it's got an ending, it's got a beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>What is a story? What are these patterns?

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<v Speaker 4>So even before Joseph Campbell began to identify this, we've

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<v Speaker 4>got our friend Aristotle who tells us that every story

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<v Speaker 4>should have a beginning, a middle, and an end. And

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<v Speaker 4>even though we're like, yeah, this is really revolutionary at

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<v Speaker 4>the time, right because nobody's telling stories in three acts

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<v Speaker 4>and this is a big deal. Now, what becomes important

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<v Speaker 4>about three acts structure, having a beginning, a middle, and

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<v Speaker 4>an end is that it sort of sets up this

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<v Speaker 4>idea that psychologists have determined is why stories are how

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<v Speaker 4>we see the world, and that is that the way

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<v Speaker 4>storytelling structure works in some ways mirrors the way the

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<v Speaker 4>human brain solves problems. Huh yeah, So in a story,

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<v Speaker 4>a good story, we basically have somebody. This is important.

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<v Speaker 4>Try telling a story without a character really tough. To do.

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<v Speaker 4>But we have to have somebody who wants something. It's

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<v Speaker 4>really not a very cool story if it's somebody who

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<v Speaker 4>just sets around all the time eating cheerios. They have

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<v Speaker 4>to want something, they have to want to get up

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<v Speaker 4>from where they're doing and go after something. Right, So

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<v Speaker 4>somebody that wants something and then someone or something standing

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<v Speaker 4>in the way of that. So here's an example. There

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<v Speaker 4>was once a story guru that said a cat lying

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<v Speaker 4>on a blank that's just a scenario. But a cat

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<v Speaker 4>lying on a dog's blanket, now that's a story. Because

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<v Speaker 4>we have somebody who wants something in someone standing in

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<v Speaker 4>the way of that, there's conflict. So conflict's an important

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<v Speaker 4>part of a story. And that was what myths were

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<v Speaker 4>so good at, was taking these unconscious ideas and feelings

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<v Speaker 4>and actually putting them into stories that we could see

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<v Speaker 4>and experience.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've often thought and I used to study Latin,

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<v Speaker 2>and in Latin we had to learn a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>the myths. There's like who else you can talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>But I remember thinking, the way that we look at

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<v Speaker 2>celebrities is so much like the mythology back in say

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<v Speaker 2>Roman and Greek times. So someone is a demi God,

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<v Speaker 2>and I feel like we put celebrities as like half god,

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<v Speaker 2>half human fallible. They have an assent, they have a rise,

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<v Speaker 2>they have a hubris, they have a fall. What role

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<v Speaker 2>do you think celebrities play in our modern mythology or

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<v Speaker 2>do you think we play that out all in movies.

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<v Speaker 4>No. I think celebrities very much are archetypes that we

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<v Speaker 4>need within our psyche and within mythology itself. And part

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<v Speaker 4>of that is because there are certain things that we

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<v Speaker 4>have moved away from ritualistically in society. So there used

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<v Speaker 4>to be this idea in ancient cultures of the Greeks

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<v Speaker 4>would call it the pharmacos. This was basically the person

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to sacrifice every year. Oh boy, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 4>this would be the person. We're going to put all

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<v Speaker 4>the bad things and all the sins on this person

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<v Speaker 4>and go sacrifice them to the gods and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>let us slide on everything. We're gonna, you know, sacrifice

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<v Speaker 4>this person. And we see this in cultures all throughout

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<v Speaker 4>the world. So this idea, by the way, that word

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<v Speaker 4>pharmacos is where we get the word pharmacy or medicine.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a soothing of the gods, you know. So now,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, we don't sacrifice people anymore, but we kind

424
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<v Speaker 4>of do. Look at a Paris Hilton, look at a

425
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<v Speaker 4>Kim Kardashian. We build those people up, we praise them,

426
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<v Speaker 4>and then there seems to be an endless amount of

427
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<v Speaker 4>joy taken at sacrificing those people's reputation who they are

428
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<v Speaker 4>as people, and we create an archetype out of them

429
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<v Speaker 4>that we need in order to feel better about ourselves.

430
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<v Speaker 4>We need to sacrifice that part of us that's vain,

431
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<v Speaker 4>We need to sacrifice that part of us that is

432
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<v Speaker 4>shallow and substanceless. And we put all that upon these

433
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<v Speaker 4>celebrities and we enjoy. We build them up, and then

434
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<v Speaker 4>we enjoy seeing them taken down, and then we always

435
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<v Speaker 4>love a good comeback in the end as well.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that that follows story structure kind of

437
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<v Speaker 2>like is there is the beginning their ascent? Is there

438
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<v Speaker 2>like an inciting incident? Like what are some what are

439
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<v Speaker 2>some bare bones of stories that we see in our

440
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<v Speaker 2>everyday life and in movies when you talk about a beginning,

441
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<v Speaker 2>middle end, like what has to be in a story?

442
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<v Speaker 4>So Joseph Campbell talked about this when he talked about

443
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<v Speaker 4>the hero's journey, and in the hero's journey, we basically

444
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<v Speaker 4>have this hero or this man or woman who decides,

445
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<v Speaker 4>you know what, this world that I'm living in in

446
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<v Speaker 4>my small village or town or city the normal world,

447
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<v Speaker 4>and that can be whatever it is, but the normal world,

448
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<v Speaker 4>I need something I can't get here, And so there's

449
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<v Speaker 4>this acceptance of the call that the hero decides, I'm

450
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<v Speaker 4>going to leave everything I know to go out after

451
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<v Speaker 4>this thing. And Campbell called it a boon or an elixir,

452
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<v Speaker 4>some sort of magic medicine, you know, that they would

453
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<v Speaker 4>go after. And so then they would go after whatever

454
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<v Speaker 4>it is they're going after. They would fight dragons, and

455
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<v Speaker 4>there were enemies and gatekeepers and all these people to

456
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<v Speaker 4>keep them from getting what they were after. But then

457
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<v Speaker 4>when they got it, it wasn't enough just to get

458
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<v Speaker 4>their hands on it. It was very important to the

459
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<v Speaker 4>story that then they returned back home and brought the

460
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<v Speaker 4>elixir back to where they started, back to the people

461
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<v Speaker 4>at home. I think this is something that we often

462
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<v Speaker 4>forget in stories today. We often want to end a

463
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<v Speaker 4>person's story with the accomplishment of the goal because we

464
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<v Speaker 4>live in a very capitalistic society that is very much

465
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<v Speaker 4>all about just getting what you want, and that's the

466
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<v Speaker 4>whole point of life. But actually, societies before ours believed

467
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<v Speaker 4>that the experience of wonder was much greater than even

468
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<v Speaker 4>the experience of success, and wonder could only be experienced

469
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<v Speaker 4>by bringing back the elixir, bringing back whatever you had

470
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<v Speaker 4>learned on the journey, bringing it back to others who

471
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<v Speaker 4>needed that information and that experience, And in that an

472
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<v Speaker 4>endless wonder was put within you because you could always

473
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<v Speaker 4>share your experiences and the lessons that you learned. And

474
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<v Speaker 4>I think that is something that our modern storytelling tends

475
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<v Speaker 4>to in its efforts to be efficient, we try and

476
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<v Speaker 4>cut that away. But again, when we go back and

477
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<v Speaker 4>look at myths, that was always an important part of

478
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<v Speaker 4>the story, was bringing back what you had learned or

479
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<v Speaker 4>what you had gotten.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when people call on you, do they say, I'm

481
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<v Speaker 2>writing a script, I'm developing a series. Help me figure

482
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<v Speaker 2>out where the holes are, help me figure out how

483
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<v Speaker 2>to make this flow.

484
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, it's different almost with every project, but

485
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:32.960
<v Speaker 4>that happens a lot where a production company or a

486
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<v Speaker 4>writer or a studio will call up and say, hey,

487
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<v Speaker 4>we've got this project. We know there's some problems with it.

488
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<v Speaker 4>We're not exactly sure what they are or even how

489
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<v Speaker 4>to fix them. Could you come in and take a look,

490
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<v Speaker 4>And I am always happy to go and do that.

491
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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes though, people will be developing a show that is

492
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<v Speaker 4>around some really specific part of history that has some

493
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<v Speaker 4>sort of mythological connection. And by the way, I should

494
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<v Speaker 4>mention that mythology is not just confined to the Greeks

495
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<v Speaker 4>and Romans and those sort of typical myths that we

496
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<v Speaker 4>think of. I did deep work on the mythology of

497
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<v Speaker 4>Hinduism and Islam and Buddhism, Sufism, Christianity, Judaism. You know,

498
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<v Speaker 4>all of our religious traditions are mythological in nature as well.

499
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<v Speaker 2>John will consult on TV shows and films that have

500
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<v Speaker 2>like religious or mythological connections, or he might be in

501
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<v Speaker 2>the writer's room for say a show that takes place

502
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<v Speaker 2>in ancient Rome, so he can give some context to

503
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Roman stories. So it's not just like people from the

504
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<v Speaker 2>valley wearing togas and stuff.

505
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<v Speaker 4>If you're trying to tell a truthful story that relates

506
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<v Speaker 4>to our culture today, you sort of have to use

507
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:44.680
<v Speaker 4>the psychology of the way people think today, but you

508
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:46.480
<v Speaker 4>also have to be true to the history. So you

509
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:50.200
<v Speaker 4>have to find a middle ground psychologically between the motivations

510
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:55.400
<v Speaker 4>people understand today and the history of what was happening

511
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<v Speaker 4>at the time. You know, the way that men and

512
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<v Speaker 4>women interacted, the way that children and you know we're treated.

513
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<v Speaker 3>And they're like, how can we make Caligula likable?

514
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<v Speaker 2>And you're like, well, he kills everyone, like he sexually

515
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 2>assaults farm animals.

516
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<v Speaker 3>It's like, it's gonna be a hard sell.

517
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<v Speaker 2>Lest you think I'm being hyperbolic, please do give Caligula

518
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<v Speaker 2>a Google So, thank you Wikipedia for informing me that quote. Once,

519
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:24.759
<v Speaker 2>at some games at which he was presiding, he ordered

520
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<v Speaker 2>his guards to throw an entire section of the audience

521
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<v Speaker 2>into the arena during the intermission to be eaten by

522
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<v Speaker 2>the wild beasts because there were no prisoners to be

523
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>used and he was bored impeach much. So, can you

524
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<v Speaker 2>tell me the difference between a story, a myth, a fable,

525
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<v Speaker 2>a parable?

526
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<v Speaker 3>What's the difference?

527
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a great question. Actually, thank you. So let

528
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<v Speaker 4>me start actually with a fable, because I think that's

529
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<v Speaker 4>a really interesting place to start. One of the more

530
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<v Speaker 4>common fables. Most of us have heard of Esop's fables,

531
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<v Speaker 4>and we know fables like the Tortoise and the Hair,

532
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<v Speaker 4>for example. Most of us are familiar with that story,

533
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<v Speaker 4>and we know sort of the meaning of the story is,

534
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<v Speaker 4>don't get lazy, because you know, even slow and study

535
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.799
<v Speaker 4>wins the race, and you know if you nap with

536
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<v Speaker 4>the finish line, the turtle will eventually beat you. We

537
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 4>don't really have the correct understanding of how fables work

538
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:30.359
<v Speaker 4>today because we tend to think of ourself as one

539
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<v Speaker 4>character and then whoever is in opposition to us as

540
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<v Speaker 4>the other character. The people who would hear the story

541
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<v Speaker 4>of the tortoise and hair the hair would understand fables

542
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<v Speaker 4>were actually meant to describe two sides of the same person.

543
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<v Speaker 4>So inside you there's a tortoise and there's a hair,

544
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<v Speaker 4>And it's not meant to say, Ali, you be the

545
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<v Speaker 4>tortoise and not the hair. It's actually meant to say,

546
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<v Speaker 4>inside of Ali is a tortoise and hair, and it's

547
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:04.920
<v Speaker 4>going to be up to you to negotiate, navigate. If

548
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<v Speaker 4>you're going to sometimes let the hair get all the

549
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.240
<v Speaker 4>way up to the finish line, this part of you

550
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.759
<v Speaker 4>then may defeat that part of you. But they were

551
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<v Speaker 4>meant to be psychological ideas that took place inside of

552
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.960
<v Speaker 4>people as opposed to morality tales, so that's sort of

553
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<v Speaker 4>what a fable is. A myth, on the other hand,

554
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:31.440
<v Speaker 4>is usually a long story that does not have a

555
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:35.039
<v Speaker 4>traditional Hollywood happy ending. It's a story of a journey.

556
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:39.119
<v Speaker 4>It's usually a road trip of someone going someplace. But

557
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:45.599
<v Speaker 4>it also incorporates in mythology stories of humankind's interaction with

558
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<v Speaker 4>the other, or what we call the other. Sometimes that

559
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<v Speaker 4>means gods, sometimes that means supernatural monsters, sometimes that means

560
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:57.720
<v Speaker 4>all sorts of other beings, but much of mythology is

561
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<v Speaker 4>about us encountering the other. It was this child psychologist

562
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<v Speaker 4>in the seventies, Bruno Bettelheim, that wrote this book called

563
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<v Speaker 4>The Uses of Enchantment, and it was basically talking about

564
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<v Speaker 4>how childhood myths about monsters are really important for a

565
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<v Speaker 4>child's development because when we think we're going to scare kids,

566
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<v Speaker 4>when we think we're going to scare children by telling

567
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 4>them about monsters, they don't learn how to deal with

568
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 4>the most important monster they'll ever face, the one that

569
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:29.440
<v Speaker 4>lives inside of them. So this is one reason there

570
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<v Speaker 4>are all these wonderful theorists that talked about the importance

571
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:34.720
<v Speaker 4>of fairy tales. There was a woman named Marie Luise

572
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:38.440
<v Speaker 4>von Franz who did incredible work about the psychology and

573
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<v Speaker 4>importance of fairy tales, especially in women, that it's very

574
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<v Speaker 4>important that young women have certain fairy tales that they

575
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<v Speaker 4>hear when they're younger, because it actually prepares young women

576
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<v Speaker 4>for certain experiences. One of those fairy tales is the

577
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<v Speaker 4>story of Little Ridinghood, Little Red Riding Hood.

578
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<v Speaker 2>It's like, beware, there's dudes out there who want to

579
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:01.519
<v Speaker 2>each you and kill your grandma.

580
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<v Speaker 4>That's it.

581
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<v Speaker 3>That's yeah, I mean it's legit, it's legit. But so

582
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<v Speaker 3>many fairy tales.

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<v Speaker 2>Peace. Yeah, So like I have you go back and

584
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<v Speaker 2>you watch like a lot of like Disney movies, and

585
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>you're like, this is all just like a weeping, frail

586
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.559
<v Speaker 2>woman who gets swept up by a prince, and you're like,

587
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 2>how is a modern feminist?

588
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:26.000
<v Speaker 3>I look at that and I'm like, don't be that

589
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<v Speaker 3>garbage your children.

590
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.519
<v Speaker 2>So, like, how do you reconcile the change in society

591
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<v Speaker 2>with these really well worn myths and stories.

592
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<v Speaker 4>First, you have to recognize that Disney really messed up

593
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<v Speaker 4>fairy tales. Okay, yeah, disneyfied fairy tales are not anything

594
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<v Speaker 4>I'm a huge fan of. Really, yeah, fairy tales before

595
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.279
<v Speaker 4>Disney got ahold of them were very adult in nature,

596
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<v Speaker 4>and they were very violent, and they involved all sorts

597
00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:59.039
<v Speaker 4>of things that we today would say is non appropriate

598
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:02.960
<v Speaker 4>for children. So you, I think, have to expose your

599
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:07.559
<v Speaker 4>children to the truth of real fairy tales and not

600
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<v Speaker 4>a disnified version that does make every woman to be

601
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<v Speaker 4>helpless and a princess that is waiting to be saved.

602
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<v Speaker 4>That Let's go back to red riding Hood for a second.

603
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<v Speaker 4>That's originated with this Bavarian folk tale called the story

604
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<v Speaker 4>of Grandmother. It was the first time and really there

605
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 4>are some feminist theorists that feel like it was actually

606
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:33.639
<v Speaker 4>a story that was told to young women about dealing

607
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:37.440
<v Speaker 4>with their oncoming puberty and minstation that the whole idea

608
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<v Speaker 4>of red riding Hood had symbolism, you know, about menstruation.

609
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<v Speaker 4>But also if you go back to the story of Grandmother,

610
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<v Speaker 4>the wolf in the bed that portraying the grandmother asked

611
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<v Speaker 4>the young woman to strip off all her clothes and

612
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 4>get completely naked in the bed with her, and that

613
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 4>the girl in the story is old enough that she

614
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<v Speaker 4>would have at that time, she wouldn't have thought that

615
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.239
<v Speaker 4>was her grandmother, right, she would have seen this is

616
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:05.440
<v Speaker 4>a wolf dressed up as my.

617
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<v Speaker 3>Grandma, goddamn dogging a bonnet.

618
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<v Speaker 4>Right. So in the story, part of the nuance and

619
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<v Speaker 4>the teasing out of that story is that sometimes young

620
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:20.440
<v Speaker 4>women are also attracted to giving themselves permission to get

621
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<v Speaker 4>in bed with the wolf and see how far that

622
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<v Speaker 4>experience would go. And in that story of the grandmother,

623
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<v Speaker 4>by the way, there's not a hunter that comes in

624
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<v Speaker 4>and kills the wolf. The wolf eats the girl and

625
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.280
<v Speaker 4>she is killed. Savage. Yeah, it's savage, but it's also

626
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.119
<v Speaker 4>a story that I think has much more truth to

627
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<v Speaker 4>it than the guy coming in and saving the young

628
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<v Speaker 4>woman from the wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>And like Hans Christian Andersen, Little Mermaid was brutal right

630
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<v Speaker 2>side note. In the original Hans Christian Andersen version of

631
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<v Speaker 2>The Little Mermaid, the prince falls in love with another

632
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<v Speaker 2>princess and marries her, and the Little Mermaid, per a

633
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<v Speaker 2>sea Witch's spell, is supposed to just die of a

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<v Speaker 2>clinically broken heart. She's like, sorry, sorry, lady, but her

635
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 2>sisters get a knife and have a plot to murder

636
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<v Speaker 2>the prince and bathe her dumb, useless new human feet.

637
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<v Speaker 2>She traded in his blood so she can get a

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<v Speaker 2>flippers back, but she can't go through with it because

639
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:19.840
<v Speaker 2>she's in love with him, so she just turns into

640
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<v Speaker 2>sea foam. She's like, man, this sucks. Also, there's like

641
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<v Speaker 2>no talking lobsters. So these fairy tales before we kind

642
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<v Speaker 2>of americanize them were cautionary tales.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so now getting back to fable, myth is story

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<v Speaker 2>and parable what are those?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so a parable is typically a way of approaching

647
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<v Speaker 4>the world through story. That's binary. A parable is meant

648
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<v Speaker 4>to teach a very simple, black and white lesson do this,

649
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<v Speaker 4>don't do this. OK, be good, you know, don't be bad.

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<v Speaker 4>So we see parables, especially you know, like in the

651
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<v Speaker 4>Bible and places like that, where morality is of the

652
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<v Speaker 4>chief utmost importance. So parables really deal in the realm

653
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<v Speaker 4>of morality. A story is really over it's sort of

654
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<v Speaker 4>this arching umbrella that we put all these different things under.

655
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<v Speaker 4>It's really interesting. There was a famous author that once

656
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<v Speaker 4>said everyone seems to know what a story is until

657
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<v Speaker 4>they sit down to write one. We all sort of

658
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:26.519
<v Speaker 4>know what a story is, but it's tough you know,

659
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 4>for us to sometimes differentiate these things, and so we

660
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.840
<v Speaker 4>sort of loop all these things under the realm of story. Myths, parables,

661
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.079
<v Speaker 4>fairy tales, all these things. We sort of put them

662
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<v Speaker 4>under the umbrella of story. But I think there's value

663
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<v Speaker 4>into teasing those things out, just like a few moments

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<v Speaker 4>ago when we talked about the idea of a fable,

665
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<v Speaker 4>you know, taking place inside of oneself. But at the

666
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<v Speaker 4>end of the day, I don't know that it's you know,

667
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<v Speaker 4>the public's job to be educated on all the n

668
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<v Speaker 4>nuanced differences between these things as much as perhaps the

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<v Speaker 4>storyteller's job in knowing what sort of tools they're using

670
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<v Speaker 4>to craft, what their intention is in the audience, and

671
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<v Speaker 4>then the person who's listening to their story. That's where

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<v Speaker 4>I think. I don't know, Ali, I take telling stories

673
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<v Speaker 4>super serious.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I love it.

675
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:20.480
<v Speaker 4>I do, and I think it's a big responsibility. I

676
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.320
<v Speaker 4>feel like it's a calling. I feel like Detroit in

677
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:27.039
<v Speaker 4>the fall of last year just appointed first city in

678
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<v Speaker 4>the US appointed a chief storyteller. What And it's this

679
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 4>guy in Detroit, an African American guy that's a brilliant

680
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 4>journalist and writer and storyteller and he has taken on

681
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<v Speaker 4>the task of trying to change the narrative about Detroit.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I love this so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Side note, my sister lived in Detroit for a decade,

684
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<v Speaker 2>so I've always had a soft spot for Detroit history.

685
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<v Speaker 2>And the city's chief storyteller is Aaron Foley. He's an

686
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:59.199
<v Speaker 2>author in his thirties, and he hates the word gritty

687
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:02.679
<v Speaker 2>like your sister in law hates moist. He says, quote

688
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:05.760
<v Speaker 2>by forever branding Detroiter's as gritty, were put in the

689
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 2>position of being pitied over, bleeding hearts all over the place,

690
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.840
<v Speaker 2>suddenly feel the plight of Detroitter's, which is a good point.

691
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Foley wrote a book called How to Live in

692
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:20.559
<v Speaker 2>Detroit Without Being a Jackass, which, let's be honest, was

693
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.079
<v Speaker 2>written for chicks like me because I'm like a jackass

694
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<v Speaker 2>and I have dreams of living in an old Detroit Victorian,

695
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:31.559
<v Speaker 2>so a point taken. Also, this book bears this gold

696
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.320
<v Speaker 2>and green cover script that it takes you like half

697
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 2>a second before you realize it's an homage to Werner Soda.

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<v Speaker 2>This book is very much on my reading list now,

699
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<v Speaker 2>so thank you Erin. If there's an ology about Detroit?

700
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<v Speaker 2>Can we please talk about it? For anyone who has

701
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.920
<v Speaker 2>wanted to write, I feel like in all of us

702
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.400
<v Speaker 2>is a struggling writer, every single person.

703
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.639
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, if you really.

704
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Got them and had them lay out bare bones, what

705
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.559
<v Speaker 2>do they want? Everyone wants to write and create something.

706
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 2>What advice do you give people who are starting to

707
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.920
<v Speaker 2>write a story but they have blocks because they feel

708
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<v Speaker 2>like they can't do it, or they don't know where

709
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:04.679
<v Speaker 2>to start, or they don't know if their.

710
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.079
<v Speaker 3>Voice is important? Like what is the first step?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? That is such an important question, because I think

712
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:15.639
<v Speaker 4>you're right. I think almost everybody has some desire to

713
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<v Speaker 4>express their story in some form or another. And the

714
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<v Speaker 4>first thing that a person needs to know is that

715
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<v Speaker 4>no one else has ever told your story before, and

716
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 4>that the world is not complete without your story. Nobody

717
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.800
<v Speaker 4>can tell your story like you, And it's so key

718
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:39.199
<v Speaker 4>to your own development as a person to have other

719
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.679
<v Speaker 4>people bear witness to who you are in your story

720
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.719
<v Speaker 4>and to be able to speak honestly about your experiences

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<v Speaker 4>and what you've been through and who you are. This

722
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:53.719
<v Speaker 4>is very key to our own journeys as human beings.

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<v Speaker 4>So the first thing that I think people have to

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<v Speaker 4>do is give themselves permission to tell a story. It

725
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:08.239
<v Speaker 4>doesn't have to align itself with your personal history to

726
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 4>the tee. Sometimes we change facts and we move things around.

727
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 4>The key is tell a story that's true. Don't try

728
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 4>and tell me a story about what you've heard other

729
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.199
<v Speaker 4>people say is true. Tell me a story about what

730
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 4>you've experienced and learned to be true yourself, because that

731
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:34.760
<v Speaker 4>will resonate with people no matter who they are. It's universal.

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<v Speaker 4>We want to hear people speak from a true place.

733
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<v Speaker 4>So if you give yourself permission to tell that story,

734
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<v Speaker 4>the only other thing you have to do is the

735
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:47.239
<v Speaker 4>hardest thing about writing is getting your button a chair

736
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<v Speaker 4>and actually doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>What advice do you have for writer's block or writing anxiety?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, here's what I do. A couple of years ago,

739
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:56.679
<v Speaker 4>I was standing in line at the Coffee Bean and

740
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<v Speaker 4>I was working on a project, and I was there,

741
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.880
<v Speaker 4>like I think it was like five point thirty six

742
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.599
<v Speaker 4>o'clock in the morning. Damn, yeah, I know, I was

743
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:07.960
<v Speaker 4>at coffee being I needed coffee, But there were all

744
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:12.920
<v Speaker 4>these screenwriters setting in there working on their writing, and

745
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:14.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm guessing they had to be at work by eight am.

746
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 4>So they were in there doing it then, and it

747
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:21.079
<v Speaker 4>struck me, if there's a long line in Hollywood of

748
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:25.519
<v Speaker 4>people waiting to have their shot, those people deserve to

749
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.760
<v Speaker 4>be in line ahead of me. They're up doing this

750
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:33.039
<v Speaker 4>in the morning, and Ali, I didn't like anybody having

751
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:34.719
<v Speaker 4>an excuse to be ahead of me in that line.

752
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 4>So I decided to start getting up every morning and

753
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.639
<v Speaker 4>writing at six am. Wow, And you know what, it

754
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 4>has become one of the most rich parts of my

755
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:52.679
<v Speaker 4>life because my brain's not fully on yet, so they're

756
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.679
<v Speaker 4>that that filter and that that part of me that says,

757
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.559
<v Speaker 4>you can't do this, or you can't say that, or

758
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.639
<v Speaker 4>you can't tell none of that is engaged yet, and

759
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.480
<v Speaker 4>so the most pure parts of my imagination are coming

760
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.159
<v Speaker 4>out on the page. And I'll be honest with you,

761
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.840
<v Speaker 4>nobody calls me at six in the morning. I intentionally

762
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 4>don't open my email. And it's sort of like the

763
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.440
<v Speaker 4>dessert I get first thing in the morning that when

764
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 4>I go to bed every night, I feel like, no

765
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.239
<v Speaker 4>matter what happened the rest of the day, I got

766
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.079
<v Speaker 4>something done that day because I got some writing done.

767
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:27.000
<v Speaker 3>What time do you go to bed?

768
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 4>I go to bed. Now you're gonna laugh. I go

769
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:31.760
<v Speaker 4>get in bed about nine or nine thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>That's dope.

771
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.639
<v Speaker 4>And I read for an hour to an hour and

772
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:39.960
<v Speaker 4>a half every night, because you cannot, in my opinion,

773
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.480
<v Speaker 4>become a great writer without becoming a reader. You have

774
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:43.960
<v Speaker 4>to read.

775
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<v Speaker 2>That was one of my questions is how many books

776
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.199
<v Speaker 2>a year do you read? That was literally one of

777
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:49.840
<v Speaker 2>my questions I wrote down. I was like, let's see

778
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:51.119
<v Speaker 2>how many books? Is lover done?

779
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.239
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, I try and read a book a week. It's

780
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:56.280
<v Speaker 4>also one of the things that I think is super

781
00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:01.239
<v Speaker 4>important is to read things that are outside of your interests.

782
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:04.480
<v Speaker 4>I'll be honest with you. I've become super fascinated right

783
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.119
<v Speaker 4>now with Times Square culture in the late seventies and

784
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:09.000
<v Speaker 4>early eighties.

785
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Seriously, Times for New York, Times Square.

786
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:14.920
<v Speaker 4>New York just that, I mean Thistle period.

787
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.639
<v Speaker 3>Pre Juliani clean up, Heroin atics.

788
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, long before HBO did the show The Deuce. This

789
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:24.119
<v Speaker 4>was really interesting to me, and I, by the way,

790
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.599
<v Speaker 4>strongly believe in psychotherapy. I go to a psychotherapist every week,

791
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 4>and she and I have talked about this at great length,

792
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:33.280
<v Speaker 4>and there are some real reasons I won't bore you

793
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 4>with of why that is important. But I'll give you

794
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:40.159
<v Speaker 4>a hint. We talked a few minutes ago about Demeater

795
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:44.400
<v Speaker 4>and Perciphony. Perciphoni's need to go to the underground. That

796
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.920
<v Speaker 4>is a mental underground for me to go to. It's

797
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 4>an underworld that is far enough removed from my daily

798
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:55.880
<v Speaker 4>existence that I can sort of psychologically play about what

799
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.199
<v Speaker 4>would it have been like to have lived in that

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<v Speaker 4>neighborhood at that time when morals were thrown out the window,

801
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:06.400
<v Speaker 4>and when there was there was a rawness, you know,

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00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.800
<v Speaker 4>to society. So you know, six months from now, I'll

803
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 4>be onto something else. You know, for a while, I

804
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:16.679
<v Speaker 4>got super super interested in how refrigerators work. But let

805
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 4>your curiosity go nuts, you know, read about something that

806
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 4>you have no connection or use for. In bringing it

807
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:27.719
<v Speaker 4>all back to Joseph Campbell, he said he had this

808
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<v Speaker 4>really famous phrase that was follow your bliss.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. I did not know that that was a Joseph

810
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<v Speaker 2>Campbell quote until I started researching for this episode. I

811
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<v Speaker 2>kind of a little digging before I came here, and

812
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I was like, wait, I thought that was like an

813
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<v Speaker 2>Instagram quote. I didn't know that follow your bliss was like.

814
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<v Speaker 2>And I listened to a whole interview about that and

815
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:48.760
<v Speaker 2>was just I was shook, clinically shook.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it, but that that is there if you

817
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.599
<v Speaker 4>really dig into that idea of following your bliss, it's

818
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<v Speaker 4>not even followed just what makes you feel good or

819
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.000
<v Speaker 4>what makes you happy. That word bliss, when you begin

820
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:08.639
<v Speaker 4>to unpack it, it really is what makes you feel fulfilled,

821
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 4>like your life has meaning and that you have purpose

822
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<v Speaker 4>and what you're doing. And I think for me, when

823
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<v Speaker 4>I really got deep into Joseph Campbell, I really determined

824
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 4>what my bliss was and I was able to encapsulate,

825
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.480
<v Speaker 4>but encapsulate it in a single phrase, in a single idea.

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<v Speaker 4>And for me, my bliss is helping the world tell

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<v Speaker 4>a better story. That is what I'm here on this

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<v Speaker 4>earth to do is to help people, individuals, cultures, countries

829
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:44.960
<v Speaker 4>tell a better story. I'm in the business of saying,

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<v Speaker 4>whatever your story is, you could probably enjoy a slightly

831
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:52.400
<v Speaker 4>better story. There's a better version of your life that,

832
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:57.920
<v Speaker 4>with some sacrifices, with some things that you are interested

833
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.159
<v Speaker 4>in pursuing, could actually make a better story for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you find that with people that a lot of

835
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<v Speaker 2>times we are kind of slaves to our own narratives.

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<v Speaker 2>That changing your narrative, what you say about yourself, what

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<v Speaker 2>you say about your life, changes the outcome of it.

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<v Speaker 4>PSH. I think that is so important, I really do.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think what we tell people about our lives,

840
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:26.199
<v Speaker 4>it's a great window into what we already think and

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<v Speaker 4>sort of where we're going.

842
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<v Speaker 2>Really quick, where does mythology fit into superhero culture?

843
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<v Speaker 3>Because I know your wife is amazing. I met you

844
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 3>through your wife.

845
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:38.880
<v Speaker 2>She works for DC and you do consulting on superhero movies.

846
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Where where are we with superhero movies? And also just

847
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.000
<v Speaker 2>a quick touch on are we going to be seeing

848
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 2>like Wonder Woman, Black Panther, like flipping the script on

849
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.079
<v Speaker 2>who is doing the saving and things like that.

850
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.800
<v Speaker 4>That's I you know, I grew up with superhero movies

851
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:58.079
<v Speaker 4>and I love superhero movies. Even if you look back

852
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.039
<v Speaker 4>through the history of comics and you look at the

853
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:05.280
<v Speaker 4>way that superheroes have changed in our modern era, superheroes

854
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:09.360
<v Speaker 4>typically changed to fit whatever psychological needs that we have.

855
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:14.360
<v Speaker 4>Is a culture, so Superman was very important to the

856
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:18.639
<v Speaker 4>nation's psyche as we were fighting Adolf Hitler that we

857
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:24.880
<v Speaker 4>felt like we can take down anybody. We're strong, you know,

858
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:29.719
<v Speaker 4>this idea of truth justice in the American way, it

859
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 4>was very important. We needed that at that time. So

860
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 4>whenever somebody can step in and provide an answer, provide

861
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:43.360
<v Speaker 4>something that helps us deal with what's happening psychologically in

862
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:47.039
<v Speaker 4>the world, we gravitate towards it. Well, we're facing different

863
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:51.519
<v Speaker 4>problems right now, and so I think the rise of

864
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:55.280
<v Speaker 4>Wonder Woman, the rise of Black Panther Man, those are

865
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:57.760
<v Speaker 4>super important to where we're at right now as a

866
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:01.920
<v Speaker 4>culture because we've seen the that, especially this last year,

867
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.639
<v Speaker 4>the way that women have been treated and our culture

868
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.920
<v Speaker 4>has risen to the top and it's not covered up anymore.

869
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.440
<v Speaker 4>We're having to deal with that as a culture. We're

870
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.960
<v Speaker 4>having to deal with how violent we've been, with how

871
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:19.400
<v Speaker 4>mean spirited we've been, with what bullies we've been, and

872
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:24.480
<v Speaker 4>at the same time, women are dealing with having been

873
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:28.159
<v Speaker 4>through the experiences on the other side of that. And

874
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.440
<v Speaker 4>so I think Wonder Woman was a very very important

875
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:36.119
<v Speaker 4>character for the cultural psyche, not only of women, but

876
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Speaker 4>of men as well.

877
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:39.760
<v Speaker 3>What about Black panther I think.

878
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.000
<v Speaker 4>We're going to see the same thing there with all

879
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:44.719
<v Speaker 4>the Black Lives Matter issues that have risen in the

880
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:48.639
<v Speaker 4>last year or two with racism being another issue that

881
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:51.440
<v Speaker 4>we were confronting as a culture. So I think the

882
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:55.679
<v Speaker 4>future of superhero movies and superhero stories really depends on

883
00:49:56.440 --> 00:50:00.559
<v Speaker 4>what problems we are willing to face in our culture.

884
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:05.440
<v Speaker 4>Because I'll tell you this much, if we don't confront

885
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:10.239
<v Speaker 4>a form of evil when it arises, if we we

886
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:14.400
<v Speaker 4>just shush it away, it always comes back, just with

887
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:18.039
<v Speaker 4>a different face. And we've seen this with the way

888
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.639
<v Speaker 4>that women have been treated. We've seen this with racism.

889
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:23.559
<v Speaker 4>When we don't deal with it, it just comes back with

890
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:27.800
<v Speaker 4>a different face. And I think we're finally ready maybe

891
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:31.079
<v Speaker 4>to deal with some of those issues in ways that

892
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:33.679
<v Speaker 4>maybe they're not going to come back at least like

893
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.280
<v Speaker 4>they have before, right, you know.

894
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I think one thing that probably the part of the

895
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:40.840
<v Speaker 3>angst of the last year or so.

896
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Especially politically, is that it feels like the end of

897
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the movie ended in the middle of the second act.

898
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:51.119
<v Speaker 2>It feels like, oh wait, what, Like it feels like

899
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.679
<v Speaker 2>there was something to overcome, and then the credits rolled

900
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, wait, this is the end? Wait who

901
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:01.199
<v Speaker 2>won You know, not to pull it much, but I

902
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:04.159
<v Speaker 2>think people who have listened to this well where I stand,

903
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.880
<v Speaker 2>but like it does feel like, oh shit, no, we're

904
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:10.039
<v Speaker 2>supposed to someone's supposed to like a he's supposed to

905
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:11.039
<v Speaker 2>fall off a boat or something.

906
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:12.320
<v Speaker 3>And then you know what I mean.

907
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.880
<v Speaker 4>Well, And I grew up in East Texas, and one

908
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:19.480
<v Speaker 4>of the things that I grew up with was the

909
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.360
<v Speaker 4>idea of the compost pile, which, for those of you

910
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.719
<v Speaker 4>who didn't grow up out on the rural routes of

911
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.440
<v Speaker 4>our country, a compost pile is a place that you

912
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:31.760
<v Speaker 4>take the leftover food and all the things that you

913
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:34.239
<v Speaker 4>know you don't want to burn in the trash barrel,

914
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.039
<v Speaker 4>and you put them out in a pile, and animals

915
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.519
<v Speaker 4>come and they eat from those things and bugs, and

916
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:44.280
<v Speaker 4>it's it's gross, it's nasty, but it actually is a

917
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 4>significant important part of the ecology of the earth. And

918
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:54.039
<v Speaker 4>it also is what generates life because what happens is

919
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.920
<v Speaker 4>the maggots and the flies and the gross insects come

920
00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:00.559
<v Speaker 4>and they eat off this compost pile, and then the

921
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.079
<v Speaker 4>the rats and the mice and stuff come and eat them,

922
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 4>and then the wolves and it goes on up the

923
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:09.199
<v Speaker 4>food chain and it's the way that life is regenerated.

924
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:12.280
<v Speaker 4>And Ali, I think what we're seeing right now, especially

925
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:17.000
<v Speaker 4>in the American political system. I think we're seeing the

926
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:21.320
<v Speaker 4>grossness of the compost. I think in order to see

927
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:26.159
<v Speaker 4>new life be regenerated into something new, that the process

928
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:29.840
<v Speaker 4>of death and decay. It's gross to look at. And

929
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.719
<v Speaker 4>we're having to look at the grossness of the death

930
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:38.480
<v Speaker 4>and decay of certain types of fascism and chauvinism and racism,

931
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:40.800
<v Speaker 4>and we have a front row seat to it, and

932
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:43.480
<v Speaker 4>so for us it looks disgusting and gross and will

933
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:46.960
<v Speaker 4>it ever end? But I think what we're actually seeing

934
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 4>is the process of life regenerating in the final gasps

935
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 4>of some of these things that we've dealt with long time.

936
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.360
<v Speaker 3>WHOA, So this is just like earwigs eating a saggy biscuit.

937
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:03.360
<v Speaker 4>That's exactly what this is. I feel matter well, I

938
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:07.119
<v Speaker 4>think it's the hope we can also sort of take

939
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:11.079
<v Speaker 4>with us in dealing with those things, because otherwise, I'm

940
00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:12.599
<v Speaker 4>going to go to in and out Burger and I'm

941
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:14.920
<v Speaker 4>gonna order like twenty burghers and twenty shakes and just

942
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:18.679
<v Speaker 4>eat myself to death because what else is there? Right?

943
00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:21.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean, let's just all eat and get fat and high.

944
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:24.760
<v Speaker 4>If there's not something better.

945
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.840
<v Speaker 3>If there are missiles headed our way. Okay, I am

946
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.719
<v Speaker 3>going to ask you some questions from as cool? Is

947
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 3>that cool?

948
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:32.920
<v Speaker 4>Of course?

949
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, so many.

950
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<v Speaker 2>But before we take questions from you, our beloved listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to take a quick break for sponsors of

952
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.639
<v Speaker 2>the show. Sponsors. Why sponsors, You know what they do?

953
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:46.679
<v Speaker 2>They help us give money to different charities every week.

954
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:49.280
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955
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.960
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956
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.079
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957
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.239
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958
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959
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:02.079
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960
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:05.280
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961
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.679
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962
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.039
<v Speaker 2>give a ton of money to them. So thanks for

963
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:17.000
<v Speaker 2>listening and thank sponsors. Okay, your questions, these are all

964
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:21.639
<v Speaker 2>questions from our patrons and who are awesome. So if

965
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:23.960
<v Speaker 2>they donate as little as twenty five cents an episode,

966
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:26.039
<v Speaker 2>they can ask questions to theologists.

967
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.840
<v Speaker 3>I've set up. It's a pretty high, pretty high price

968
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.400
<v Speaker 3>to pay twenty five cents an episode.

969
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:32.000
<v Speaker 4>I love it.

970
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:32.840
<v Speaker 3>My heart is cheap.

971
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Matt Bruckner wanted to know Joseph Campbell overrated or rightfully enshrined.

972
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:37.519
<v Speaker 3>I think we know the answer to.

973
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:38.840
<v Speaker 4>That one absolutely.

974
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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

975
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:41.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't agree with him on everything, by the way,

976
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.920
<v Speaker 4>but you don't have to agree with somebody on every

977
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:48.400
<v Speaker 4>single thing in order to recognize the value of their work. Okay.

978
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Al Martinez, Greek and Roman mythology were among my favorites

979
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:51.960
<v Speaker 2>in grammar school.

980
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:54.519
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, there was not a question. That's okay, though,

981
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:56.480
<v Speaker 3>that was good. I'm like good, yeah, yes.

982
00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Zoe Teplick wants to know what are some of the

983
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.960
<v Speaker 2>most persistent myths one that appear in various cultures throughout history.

984
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 3>I know you mentioned the flood, Yeah, the flood.

985
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.199
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you another. And it takes a lot of forms,

986
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.519
<v Speaker 4>but it's the idea of someone who's mistreated rising from

987
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:14.280
<v Speaker 4>their station. Every culture on the earth today has some

988
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:18.400
<v Speaker 4>version of the Cinderella story. And so that story of

989
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:23.280
<v Speaker 4>someone who is mistreated, who has a difficult beginning in

990
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:26.960
<v Speaker 4>life somehow rising out of the station that they're in.

991
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.280
<v Speaker 4>We see that play out time and time again throughout mythology,

992
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.639
<v Speaker 4>and I think there's a reason for that that in

993
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:35.360
<v Speaker 4>our psychology, we need to believe that things can always

994
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:36.199
<v Speaker 4>get better, right.

995
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:38.719
<v Speaker 3>I think that's why we like a vicious clap back

996
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:39.239
<v Speaker 3>on Twitter.

997
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're like, it's a tiny, tiny little man, such

998
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:44.920
<v Speaker 2>an art form, I know. Oh Al Martinez did have

999
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:51.679
<v Speaker 2>a question. He said, Okay, Greek and Roman mythology are

1000
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:54.199
<v Speaker 2>the two best known in the Western world. Which one

1001
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:58.239
<v Speaker 2>precedes the other or influences the other most? Which is

1002
00:55:58.280 --> 00:55:59.960
<v Speaker 2>a great question. Who can first?

1003
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<v Speaker 4>The Greeks. Greek mythology is the elder of those, and

1004
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:09.079
<v Speaker 4>the Romans adopted many of the Greek myths and then

1005
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:12.400
<v Speaker 4>changed the names of the gods, you know, occasionally would

1006
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:15.039
<v Speaker 4>change the story up a little bit also, but we

1007
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:18.000
<v Speaker 4>can't discount the importance of the importance of the Roman myths,

1008
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:21.239
<v Speaker 4>because even the Greeks, you know, took a lot of

1009
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.440
<v Speaker 4>their myths from the Babylonians and the Assyrians. To answer

1010
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:28.239
<v Speaker 4>this question, the Greeks definitely predated the Romans as far

1011
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:29.239
<v Speaker 4>as the mythology goes.

1012
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, reboots on reboots, reboots on reboots, you know,

1013
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Michael Gonzalez, what is your favorite god from Greek and

1014
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Roman mythology?

1015
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, boy, this is a tough one to choose, but

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<v Speaker 4>I think if I had to choose one, it's probably Dionysus.

1017
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh behind Dionysus.

1018
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:51.599
<v Speaker 4>Was the god of wine and leisure. But also Dionysus

1019
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:55.880
<v Speaker 4>is where we get our modern ideas of theater from,

1020
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<v Speaker 4>and the theater of Dionysus in Athens is where theater

1021
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:04.199
<v Speaker 4>originated and where the earliest plays, you know, were performed.

1022
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<v Speaker 4>And so I think it's easy for us to look

1023
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:11.280
<v Speaker 4>at wine and partying and in that sort of thing

1024
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:14.119
<v Speaker 4>as being the world of Dionysus, and certainly that was

1025
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:20.119
<v Speaker 4>part of it. However, Dionysus also in theater and with wine,

1026
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:26.719
<v Speaker 4>these were actual rituals, in meaningful ceremonies that occurred. So

1027
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<v Speaker 4>there's sort of two schools of thought or philosophies in mythology.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the Dionesian people that really identify with that psychological

1029
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:39.920
<v Speaker 4>idea of Dionysus, or the Apollonian people that idealize Apollo,

1030
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:42.719
<v Speaker 4>which was very much a god who was dedicated to

1031
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:46.880
<v Speaker 4>rational thinking and logic and things like that, which we

1032
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<v Speaker 4>might say that that sort of leads us to believing

1033
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<v Speaker 4>there's two types of people in the world. Those who

1034
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:58.480
<v Speaker 4>were Apollonian in nature and believe logic, and we sometimes

1035
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:02.760
<v Speaker 4>call those people left brain people, and then Dionysian the

1036
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:06.199
<v Speaker 4>people that might be more creative. We're always out to

1037
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.840
<v Speaker 4>have fun that we might consider more right brain. So

1038
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:13.400
<v Speaker 4>we're constantly trying to bifurcate that psychological idea we find

1039
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:17.880
<v Speaker 4>in mythology. And they would say it's either Dionysus or Apollo.

1040
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:19.840
<v Speaker 4>But I'm a Dionysus guy.

1041
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:22.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I realize that.

1042
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh it reminds me a little bit of the goofis

1043
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:27.119
<v Speaker 2>and gallant but in Highlights Magazine.

1044
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:29.719
<v Speaker 3>But I think there's too much pressure pressure to be

1045
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:30.239
<v Speaker 3>a gallant.

1046
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:34.000
<v Speaker 4>Shout out to Highlights Magazine, mantimes.

1047
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:34.920
<v Speaker 2>You got to be a Goophist, just be like whatever,

1048
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't put the cap back on the milk.

1049
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<v Speaker 3>Oh y'all.

1050
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.159
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to write an academic article based on that,

1051
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.480
<v Speaker 4>because honestly, I think you're onto something. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people that would resonate with that.

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00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:45.639
<v Speaker 3>That's good. I think it's too much black away thinking.

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00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Jessica Chamberlain asks what is something for mythology that is

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00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:51.800
<v Speaker 2>carried over into modern traditions that most people don't know

1056
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:55.599
<v Speaker 2>the origins of like holiday traditions or olympics or other

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00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:56.119
<v Speaker 2>things like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, boy, there's so many. One of the things that

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00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 4>I think people might find somewhat interesting is the modern

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00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:12.239
<v Speaker 4>ideas that we have about death. For example, when people die,

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00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:15.840
<v Speaker 4>we typically don't just go put them out in the

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00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:19.679
<v Speaker 4>recycle bin out on the curb, or go and bury

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00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:20.639
<v Speaker 4>them in the backyard.

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00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.880
<v Speaker 2>For more info on how to dispose of your body

1065
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:28.440
<v Speaker 2>and confront your immortality, see episode six of ologies Phanatology

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00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:32.199
<v Speaker 2>with Cole and Perry. She's so great and also I

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00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:34.480
<v Speaker 2>confront my existential terror.

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<v Speaker 4>We typically have a ceremony where there's a nice coffin

1069
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:41.800
<v Speaker 4>and that where sometimes we will even go put maybe

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00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:46.519
<v Speaker 4>something that was meaningful to that person in the coffin

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00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:50.320
<v Speaker 4>with them. And those ideas all come from Egyptian mythology.

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00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:54.119
<v Speaker 4>The way that the Egyptian saw death as being sort

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00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.599
<v Speaker 4>of a at least in the funeral type experience, is

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00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.880
<v Speaker 4>being this liminal space before you'd go on the afterworld.

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01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:04.920
<v Speaker 4>We sort of treat the dead like that in America,

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01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.719
<v Speaker 4>where many cultures will still have an open coffin at

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01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:12.840
<v Speaker 4>the funeral and we talk to the person like they're

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01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:16.480
<v Speaker 4>still there getting ready to go. We dress them up

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01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:19.599
<v Speaker 4>and put on a nice suit for them, or a

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01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:23.760
<v Speaker 4>dress or some sort of preparatory clothes for wherever they're going.

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01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.360
<v Speaker 4>We will often put things in the coffin, you know,

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01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:29.159
<v Speaker 4>that were meaningful to them. The Egyptians believed, you know,

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01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:34.320
<v Speaker 4>that death was just really this experience, this transitory experience

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01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:36.880
<v Speaker 4>that was taking someone on to the next place in

1085
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:41.559
<v Speaker 4>the journey. It's something that we mythologically still really rely

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01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:43.760
<v Speaker 4>on our death traditions.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, I would just like put a coin in

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01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:46.679
<v Speaker 3>your mouth and sail you over to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Sticks by nice known you. Here's here's toll for the sticks.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric wants to know why were the Romans such biters.

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01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:58.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm guessing what he's said is why did they bite

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01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:01.039
<v Speaker 4>the style of I think he's used the got hop

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01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:02.880
<v Speaker 4>parlance of biding.

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<v Speaker 3>Got it, got it, got it?

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01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:06.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I think one of the things that made the

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01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:10.039
<v Speaker 4>Romans such biters, Eric, is the fact that the Romans

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01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.800
<v Speaker 4>had the ability to travel and experience other cultures. Because

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01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:18.480
<v Speaker 4>they had the means, they were wealthy, they could go

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01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:22.320
<v Speaker 4>and experience other cultures. And it's sort of like when

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01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.079
<v Speaker 4>you go visit your cousin in middle school in their

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01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:29.360
<v Speaker 4>hometown and everybody's wearing Yankees caps backwards, and you decide

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<v Speaker 4>to come back and be the person that's going to

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01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:36.119
<v Speaker 4>start wearing the Yankees cap backwards. It's not unlike what

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01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:39.880
<v Speaker 4>the Romans would do. Wherever the Romans went, they tended

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01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.719
<v Speaker 4>to bring back some aspects of the culture that they

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01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:46.679
<v Speaker 4>thought was great, and we still do the same today

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01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:52.000
<v Speaker 4>because spoiler alert, guess what that sushi that everybody's enjoying

1108
01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:54.880
<v Speaker 4>so much here in Los Angeles, it wasn't developed in

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01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:59.440
<v Speaker 4>the San Fernando very Somebody experienced that in another country,

1110
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.840
<v Speaker 4>thought it was great and brought it here. And that's

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01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:03.239
<v Speaker 4>sort of how the world works.

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01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:04.920
<v Speaker 2>And who's going to catch the Romans. It's not like

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01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:06.800
<v Speaker 2>anyone could google it back then. We're like, oh, that's

1114
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:09.199
<v Speaker 2>a great idea, and they're like kind offer from Grease.

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01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.679
<v Speaker 2>Laura Ason wants to know. As an ologite, I got

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01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:13.519
<v Speaker 2>to ask smart people them questions. So what is your

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<v Speaker 2>favorite mythological creature?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, this is a really great one because I'm going

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01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:21.320
<v Speaker 4>to somewhat cheat on the answer here because I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to pick a half creature, half human, and that is

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<v Speaker 4>the Mermaid. Yeah, I think mermaids are super fascinating because

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01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:37.119
<v Speaker 4>we although we have disnified mermaids. You know, mermaids were

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<v Speaker 4>often sirens in the older mythological tales that had really

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01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.480
<v Speaker 4>sharp teeth and would sing these beautiful songs and set

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01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.760
<v Speaker 4>topless on rocks calling to the sailors, and the sailors

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01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:53.440
<v Speaker 4>would be drawn to their beauty, nudity and beautiful voices.

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01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:56.400
<v Speaker 4>They would go over and then a horror movie would

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01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:00.880
<v Speaker 4>ensue from the mermaids, you know, having lunch on the sailors.

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01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:05.320
<v Speaker 4>So I think the idea of dangerous beauty is really

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01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:09.599
<v Speaker 4>interesting to me, and I think mermaids sort of encapsulate

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01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:12.599
<v Speaker 4>that idea of dangerous beauty. So for me, you know,

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01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:15.880
<v Speaker 4>it's the mermaid. I know, I could have, you know,

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01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:21.280
<v Speaker 4>picked a a much more creature like monster or subject.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. So I'll give a second place to unicorns

1135
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:28.639
<v Speaker 4>because there's a straight white male of my people have

1136
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.320
<v Speaker 4>not given unicorns their due. And I got to say,

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01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:35.239
<v Speaker 4>as once said by one of my favorite films from

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01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.920
<v Speaker 4>the creators of South Park, unicorns are badass.

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01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:41.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're so revered and they can gouge the

1140
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:43.079
<v Speaker 2>shit out of you with that horn, right.

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01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:49.360
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's a horse with a giant sharp object

1142
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:51.840
<v Speaker 4>coming out of it. What's more manly than that?

1143
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Really, there's nothing that's more gently phallic than that, you

1144
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:59.119
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Like a gorgeous like a totally

1145
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:04.519
<v Speaker 2>like stick but lethal fallus like you boys need to.

1146
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:07.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you need to commandeer? That is your come on?

1147
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:12.440
<v Speaker 4>That really is the symbol of male culture. Is the unicorn?

1148
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:18.599
<v Speaker 4>This magic dangerous phallus. Yeah, you you male secrets have

1149
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:21.400
<v Speaker 4>been revealed on this podcast, Alley, There's no way around it.

1150
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Tyler Fox wants to know the two major comics publishers.

1151
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Who do you think has better superhero stories? Marvel or

1152
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:26.840
<v Speaker 2>DC Rife.

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01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:29.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm gonna say DC that one.

1154
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're in a happy marriage. I think you should

1155
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:36.920
<v Speaker 2>definitely say DC. And I think let's see how Oh

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01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and last question, Caroline, also known as under Knit, says,

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01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:43.239
<v Speaker 2>who is your favorite mythological underdog?

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01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm gonna have to say you know that. I'm

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01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:50.440
<v Speaker 4>going to give an old school answer here, and it's Sisyphus,

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01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:53.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, known for pushing the boulder up the hill

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01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:56.400
<v Speaker 4>and it keeps coming back down. There's something I think

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01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:58.960
<v Speaker 4>we can all relate to in that no matter what

1163
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.920
<v Speaker 4>we're trying to do, the idea of pushing this heavy

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01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:04.239
<v Speaker 4>boulder up the hill only to have it come back down.

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01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:10.599
<v Speaker 4>That is that psychologically makes me feel understood and seen.

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01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:16.199
<v Speaker 4>And really that's what that's what good mythology does. You know,

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01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:19.920
<v Speaker 4>it makes us feel seen and understood, and it makes

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01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.920
<v Speaker 4>us feel like there's someone out there that gets us,

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01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:27.239
<v Speaker 4>that also told this story. And maybe that's the bottom

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01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:34.199
<v Speaker 4>line for all mythology is it helps us feel less alone.

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01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:37.199
<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent. So what is your what's your really

1172
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:38.960
<v Speaker 3>quick advice for writer's block?

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01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:44.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my quick advice for writer's block is to literally

1174
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:50.199
<v Speaker 4>walk outside and the first thing that you see, determine

1175
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:53.480
<v Speaker 4>and promise yourself I will write one page about the

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01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:56.159
<v Speaker 4>first thing I see, whether it's a tree or a

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01:05:56.159 --> 01:06:00.320
<v Speaker 4>flower or whatever it is, and that just gets getting

1178
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:06.039
<v Speaker 4>the keyboard flowing again, especially something that's organic outside. It

1179
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:11.599
<v Speaker 4>touches parts of the brain that took millions of years

1180
01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:15.760
<v Speaker 4>to develop, and that connection to nature, that connection to

1181
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:23.360
<v Speaker 4>the natural world. Sometimes it just opens up what's inside

1182
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:25.679
<v Speaker 4>of us and allows it to begin to come out.

1183
01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:28.960
<v Speaker 4>So get out of your office, get out of your house,

1184
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:31.760
<v Speaker 4>get out of your room, walk outside, for a minute

1185
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:34.280
<v Speaker 4>and the first thing of the natural world that really

1186
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:37.519
<v Speaker 4>strikes you, walk back inside, write a full page about it.

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01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, that's so great. That's like how to overcome

1188
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:42.840
<v Speaker 2>writer's block. And instead of reading a whole book about

1189
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:43.679
<v Speaker 2>how to overcome it's like.

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01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:46.119
<v Speaker 3>Boom, here you go. I was like, you really are

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01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:47.559
<v Speaker 3>a doctor. That's a great prescription.

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01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:51.159
<v Speaker 2>So what is your least favorite thing about your work

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01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:54.559
<v Speaker 2>or mythology in general, or just like your life and

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01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:54.920
<v Speaker 2>what you do.

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01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:58.239
<v Speaker 4>You No, my least favorite thing is I wish I

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01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:02.719
<v Speaker 4>had more time us to be reading the millions of

1197
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:06.519
<v Speaker 4>books out there that delve deeply into subjects I care about.

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01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:11.199
<v Speaker 4>If I could change anything about my life, it would

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01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:16.639
<v Speaker 4>be somehow to magically create space and time. When I

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01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:19.239
<v Speaker 4>go to the bookstore, when I go on Amazon and

1201
01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:22.239
<v Speaker 4>I buy a new book, I'm actually not buying that book.

1202
01:07:22.599 --> 01:07:25.239
<v Speaker 4>I am buying what I think will be the time

1203
01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:27.679
<v Speaker 4>I have to read that book. It makes me feel

1204
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:29.719
<v Speaker 4>good to feel like I'm going to have time to

1205
01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:32.239
<v Speaker 4>read that book, and that makes me feel good. I

1206
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:38.639
<v Speaker 4>don't actually think that any of us have the sort

1207
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:41.159
<v Speaker 4>of time we need to be the full people that

1208
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:44.480
<v Speaker 4>we are, and so for me, you know it's not uncommon,

1209
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:46.960
<v Speaker 4>but I would just have more time to delve even

1210
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:49.159
<v Speaker 4>more deeply into the things I'm curious about.

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01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:50.400
<v Speaker 3>So book wormery.

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01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Book wormery is like my jam and my religion.

1213
01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:59.280
<v Speaker 3>I would say, so your favorite thing about what you do.

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01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:03.480
<v Speaker 4>My favorite thing about what I do is getting to

1215
01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:08.760
<v Speaker 4>understand the stories behind the stories. My life became much

1216
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:12.440
<v Speaker 4>easier when, even though I'm a mythologist, I became My

1217
01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:16.159
<v Speaker 4>life became easier when I begin to understand that my

1218
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:20.039
<v Speaker 4>life didn't boil down to a job description. My life

1219
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:24.840
<v Speaker 4>is an ecosystem. And in that ecosystem of story, I

1220
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:28.520
<v Speaker 4>have the mountains of mythology, and I have the rivers

1221
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:32.399
<v Speaker 4>of story structure, and I have the deserts of writers blood.

1222
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:35.399
<v Speaker 4>And I have all these things, and I spend time

1223
01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.279
<v Speaker 4>at different parts of the ecosystem. But if I tend

1224
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:41.800
<v Speaker 4>to that ecosystem of my own creativity in life's work,

1225
01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:46.119
<v Speaker 4>and I treat it like a living thing, I care

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01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:50.199
<v Speaker 4>for it differently, I love it differently, and I don't

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01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:53.279
<v Speaker 4>get angry with it in the same ways that I

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01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:57.680
<v Speaker 4>did before I understood the ecosystem of story and creativity.

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01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:00.840
<v Speaker 2>God, I should apply that to my own life, but

1230
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:06.680
<v Speaker 2>just the desert would be like emails, I gotta gotta

1231
01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's just a delush, maybe that's a mom soon somewhere.

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01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:12.560
<v Speaker 3>So where can people find you?

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01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I have a website called Telling a Better Story

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01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:17.880
<v Speaker 4>dot com. Please go check it out and you can

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01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:19.720
<v Speaker 4>see some of the different work that I do. Books,

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01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:23.039
<v Speaker 4>I've written TV shows, I've appeared on podcasts that I've

1237
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.760
<v Speaker 4>been on. But also I'm really active on Twitter. So

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<v Speaker 4>my Twitter handle is at John j O h n

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01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:32.640
<v Speaker 4>K b U c h e Er. Notice I spell it,

1240
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:35.920
<v Speaker 4>I save people the trouble of having to pronounce it.

1241
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:38.199
<v Speaker 4>But those those are probably the two easiest places to

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01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:40.800
<v Speaker 4>find me. Yeah, I'm just I'm really fortunate to have

1243
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:43.439
<v Speaker 4>a platform to get to talk about these things that

1244
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:44.920
<v Speaker 4>I think are really important in life.

1245
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:48.159
<v Speaker 3>Story doctor change in lives, saving lives.

1246
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.720
<v Speaker 2>So get it all up in John Booker's website and Twitter.

1247
01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:55.600
<v Speaker 2>And to follow ologies, We're at ologies on Instagram and

1248
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Twitter as well. Very straightforward. I'm at Ali Ward with

1249
01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:03.640
<v Speaker 2>one mail on Instagram, in Twitter, and to become a patron,

1250
01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:06.960
<v Speaker 2>you can visit patreon dot com slash Ologies. You can

1251
01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:09.119
<v Speaker 2>be a patron and get in the club for twenty

1252
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:13.520
<v Speaker 2>five cents an episode pret cheap. You'll get sneak peak updates.

1253
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:16.119
<v Speaker 2>You also hear what episodes are coming up next, and

1254
01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you can submit questions for Theologists. And also you help

1255
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:24.960
<v Speaker 2>support this ad free, completely independently produced podcast and pay

1256
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:28.000
<v Speaker 2>for the editing, which is hugely important, and the hosting

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<v Speaker 2>which keeps it running. Also, I hate the term sneak peek.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I said it. Whatever, you can

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<v Speaker 2>also support for free. Just by subscribing, you can rate, review,

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<v Speaker 2>tell friends about it. That's a huge support. Also, if

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<v Speaker 2>anyone needs internship credits, holler at me at Hello Ali

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<v Speaker 2>Ward at gmail dot com. Perhaps you can help out

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes. I was an intern in college learned

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. I can't promise you that, but either way,

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<v Speaker 2>send me an email if you're interested. Thank you Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Morris for slicing this episode altogether, and to Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>Talbert and Hannah Lippo for being admins on the Ology's

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<v Speaker 2>podcast Facebook page, which is a great group of very funny,

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<v Speaker 2>curious human organisms. Thank you Shannon Feltis and Bonnie Dutch

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<v Speaker 2>for helping with ologiesmerch dot com a really great online

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<v Speaker 2>store a great way to support the podcast. Nick Thorburn

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<v Speaker 2>wrote and performed the theme music. And I'm still in

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<v Speaker 2>this hotel room in Portland. I'm leaving in a few

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<v Speaker 2>minutes to go interview a zimologist about fermentation and beer making,

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<v Speaker 2>and then an apologist about beekeeping and age. I know

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<v Speaker 2>about maybe why I hate the word panties. So stay

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<v Speaker 2>tuned for those episodes. Those are coming up. If you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to the end of the episodes, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>I started telling a secrets just the thanks for sticking

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<v Speaker 2>it through the credits, so I will let you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I travel for work a lot, and for years and

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<v Speaker 2>years and hotels, I was afraid to put the do

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<v Speaker 2>not disturb sign up because I thought it literally meant

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<v Speaker 2>like people are boning in heir, or like I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>things that you don't want.

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<v Speaker 3>To see, or in up because they're gross.

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<v Speaker 2>So for years, when the cleaning staff would open the

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<v Speaker 2>door at like seven forty five in the morning, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, hey, I'm in here because I didn't put

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<v Speaker 2>the sign up. And it's not until the last few

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<v Speaker 2>months that I've started to just put it out if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sleeping. I like didn't realize that that do not

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<v Speaker 2>disturb sign could also mean like I'm just sleeping anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>That is that weird. Okay, so ask smart people dumb

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<v Speaker 2>questions because they love it honestly, and questions are probably

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<v Speaker 2>not stupid at all. And anytime you ask a question,

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<v Speaker 2>it's saying, hey, I'm curious and I want to learn

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<v Speaker 2>from your brain, which I think is the highest compliment

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<v Speaker 2>you can pay.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Bye bye, Pacaderman

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<v Speaker 2>College, bombiology or doo zoology, lithology, zechnology, meteorologyology, ethnology, zeriology, elisology,