Speaker 1: Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Speaker 1: Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle
Speaker 1: the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze
Speaker 1: a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see
Speaker 1: what happens. This episode is brought to you by Decanta
Speaker 1: jug Wine and the find out phase of November is
Speaker 1: fucking around.
Speaker 2: I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior, and.
Speaker 1: I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the first episode
Speaker 1: of Full Circle the Podcast in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Charl let's buckle in. Okay, how you doing, baby, I'm here, same,
Speaker 2: I'm here, We're here. We're you know, we're fabulous. Don't
Speaker 2: fuck with us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it is what it is. We do
Speaker 1: have a new patron, we do.
Speaker 2: Jim is our most recent Hi Jim. Thank you for
Speaker 2: the support.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're appreciated. Definitely. We have all kinds of stuff
Speaker 1: to talk about.
Speaker 2: We do some good stuff, some very good stuff and
Speaker 2: the rest.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, speaking of shipwrecks, it was a Gilligos Island
Speaker 1: reference there. I caught it.
Speaker 2: Look at you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in PGN, Yes you were. I was profiled.
Speaker 2: Yes, in that good way, in that good way.
Speaker 1: Yes, they wrote a story. It was a twenty five
Speaker 1: hundred word interview. It's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Then you realize how substantial.
Speaker 1: I knew that that was substantial because I used to
Speaker 1: write three and four hundred word articles, so I was
Speaker 1: like twenty five word a law, right, that's a lot.
Speaker 2: It was a great profile. Thank you. You know, we're
Speaker 2: going to put the link to that in the notes
Speaker 2: of this episode.
Speaker 1: Let's be sure to put that in the show notes.
Speaker 2: It was fun. It was fun.
Speaker 1: Susie Nash is the reporter. We actually the columnist actually
Speaker 1: at PGN, and we met while we were touring with
Speaker 1: Nico with American Teenager, So that was a lovely surprise. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fun. Oh you know what, I've got to say,
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, baby, Happy it is. Indeed, somebody just
Speaker 1: looked at me with such a look when I said
Speaker 1: happy New Year. I went new Year, and they went.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, Yeah I hear you. But you know what, no,
Speaker 2: because I have decided, okay that for this year, my
Speaker 2: plan is to move forward being as intentional, like good
Speaker 2: and fabulous and positive as I can be, because the
Speaker 2: alternative just like being angry and sad and depressed and
Speaker 2: whatever like for what.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I agree with you. You know, there's the
Speaker 1: whole jack boots in the street thing that is a
Speaker 1: little unsettling. But no, I get that we'll find out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean I think that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's been the theme of the talking I've done since
Speaker 1: November is, you know, we are stronger together. We are
Speaker 1: stronger when we stand in community. We are stronger when
Speaker 1: we stand up for one another as part of the
Speaker 1: same community. Correct, I invite the other letters to join me.
Speaker 2: And I am by no means suggesting that I'm you know,
Speaker 2: going to ignore what's going on, because I can't.
Speaker 1: It's timely capitalize the TA y'all.
Speaker 2: Right, because you know, none of those letters are silent.
Speaker 2: One of them should be.
Speaker 1: And you know we've had a long and storied history
Speaker 1: of dealing with one another throughout the acronym. And you
Speaker 1: know what comes to me today is very likely to
Speaker 1: come to you tomorrow. You know, let's let's us learn
Speaker 1: something from history if no one else exactly cared to,
Speaker 1: because it's you know, it's going to be interesting. We
Speaker 1: know that as far as the electorate is concerned we're
Speaker 1: not the priority. But god damn it, you know that's
Speaker 1: this seems to be. They have such a hot nut
Speaker 1: for us, and it's just incredible, It's truly breathtaking, like a.
Speaker 2: Record number of new pieces of anti transit.
Speaker 1: And now and now they get to play with fuck
Speaker 1: around on the federal level. Eighty one Democrats joined them,
Speaker 1: you know, in the National Defense Bill and Biden signed it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, plenty of disappointment to go around right now.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, you know, I really hope we
Speaker 1: figure out at some point we're talking about human beings.
Speaker 1: We are not talking about politics. We're talking about lives, right.
Speaker 2: Not theoretical people either, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not theoretical people. You don't know more than the doctors.
Speaker 1: You don't know more than the expect you don't know
Speaker 1: more than us about who we are. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just anyway sick of hearing it. We're still gonna have
Speaker 1: to talk about a few things. But I think that's
Speaker 1: why I'm surly. I'm just I know, and I'm over
Speaker 1: here like let's just shine our light well, and you
Speaker 1: know I'm working on that. I know, I shine my
Speaker 1: light of a goddamn day I know you do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Sunday, it's one. I don't feel shiny. I do
Speaker 1: not feel shiny.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what I meant to tell you last
Speaker 2: night when we went out, No, you look like money,
Speaker 2: did I Your outfit and the hair and the jewelry
Speaker 2: and the coat. I meant to tell you that you
Speaker 2: looked like money.
Speaker 1: And it was just out to dinner with your sister.
Speaker 2: But I know, thank you. My sister came to visit briefly,
Speaker 2: and so we went out to dinner, and you know,
Speaker 2: you got cute and but it was like.
Speaker 1: Somebody spent a lot of money on those clothes. It
Speaker 1: wasn't me.
Speaker 2: Hey, you wore them. You wore the right things in
Speaker 2: the right combination at the right time. You looked good.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to go on record as saying that,
Speaker 2: and we're in front of a microphone, so now.
Speaker 1: It's thanks recorded for Pasterius. I tried it was your
Speaker 1: sister drove all the way in from Pittsburgh and all
Speaker 1: the first time she's done that in a very long
Speaker 1: time by herself. Yeah, you know, we just lost her
Speaker 1: brother in law, but she did. She made it all
Speaker 1: the way east and We took her out to dinner,
Speaker 1: and she spent the night and she's off to pick
Speaker 1: up a friend in Philadelphia and drive back to Pittsburgh. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's got a hole full. Was a nice though, it was.
Speaker 2: It's nice we got the chill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one of those days where I was
Speaker 1: in the fancy clothes closet and I went, oh, that's
Speaker 1: pretty right.
Speaker 2: And it was the perfect end of the day because
Speaker 2: I started the day at a funeral.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, it's hard to be sad about the funeral
Speaker 1: of one hundred and four year old person. Well true,
Speaker 1: I mean not truly a celebration of life, because Granny
Speaker 1: was one hundred and four, right, And it was not
Speaker 1: grandmother really a.
Speaker 2: Sad time, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It was a bittersweet, of course obviously, but.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because she was you know, present and with us,
Speaker 1: you know, in December, I mean she really was.
Speaker 2: It was chicken very literally, like she was here and
Speaker 2: then she wasn't, right, Yeah, And she was loved by
Speaker 2: so many people. A good friend's grandmom died at one
Speaker 2: hundred and four, and she was loved by so many people,
Speaker 2: and she loved so many people, and you know, I
Speaker 2: had my moment where I said, no, thank you for
Speaker 2: being so kind to me. And she was my baby.
Speaker 1: She was she was lovely, and she cooked up a store.
Speaker 1: Yes odd I you know, I wonder if you added
Speaker 1: up how many meals that woman served, you know.
Speaker 2: And how many times Miss Jay and I would be
Speaker 2: like somewhere in the city and when we go, we're hungry,
Speaker 2: you know what, Let's go see what Granny made. And
Speaker 2: always something, always something. She was either getting ready to
Speaker 2: make something, making something or just made something.
Speaker 1: Right right, always food, always food to pull out of
Speaker 1: the fridge, or it's already on the stuff.
Speaker 2: So that's how I started yesterday.
Speaker 1: I do love them.
Speaker 2: And then we had a nice visit, so it was
Speaker 2: like a family day all around.
Speaker 1: It was today's Sunday, January fifth. It is tomorrow sixth,
Speaker 1: to rinse the taste of January sixth out of my mouth.
Speaker 1: Joe Miller is being sworn in. Yes, yeah, that will
Speaker 1: have already happened by the time this episode gets released.
Speaker 1: But Joe is the first trans woman elected to partisan
Speaker 1: office in the entire state of New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And she'll be sworn in actually for the third time
Speaker 1: to Woodbury's City council, very very close to here. She
Speaker 1: was appointed initially to fill a vacant seat and then
Speaker 1: she had to run and won in a special election
Speaker 1: to finish the full that term. This is her first
Speaker 1: full term, like three year term. Right that she's being
Speaker 1: sworn in, and we've got a bunch of folks going because, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a moment, it's a moment, it's an important moment.
Speaker 1: It's one to docum and show up in force because
Speaker 1: these people that again think we are nothing but politics. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the children's genital fetishists, Yeah, who you know, fixate
Speaker 1: so much on the lives of trans people and pretend
Speaker 1: they're protecting children. That is the biggest joke of it all.
Speaker 1: They're protecting children and women. No you're not right, No
Speaker 1: you're not.
Speaker 2: You're not. That's that you do the opposite, thank you. Yes,
Speaker 2: literally the definition of your words and your deeds doing
Speaker 2: opposite things.
Speaker 1: You aren't making anyone more safe, but you are teaching
Speaker 1: your children to hate. So since that seems to be
Speaker 1: the goal among the Christians, you know, whatever, I guess
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure it out, right mm hmm. But anyway,
Speaker 1: Joe's being sworning I'll be there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again. This is our first official episode of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Well, right, because we released one last week, which was
Speaker 1: an interview we had done like the week before or something.
Speaker 2: We released an interview with David Beck, who is a writer, director,
Speaker 2: and star of a film that will be coming out
Speaker 2: One of the Stars. Yeah, yeah, coming out at the
Speaker 2: end of January.
Speaker 1: Yeah, regarding us, regarding us, and it's really you know,
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that film. Amazing representation and it's a
Speaker 1: good story it is and it's not tragedy porn. I
Speaker 1: liked it. I liked it a lot. We didn't even
Speaker 1: get our Christmas trip until Christmas Eve, it's last Christmas
Speaker 1: Day and Christmas Day because well that's you know, we've
Speaker 1: been busy doing things that felt useful.
Speaker 2: Right the week that we normally would have spent decorating,
Speaker 2: we were spent touring an award winning journalist and author
Speaker 2: on their fabulous.
Speaker 1: Book, an amazing book, and getting it out in our area.
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not up upset about that. The
Speaker 1: house looks lovely. It's fine, you know, the tree is up.
Speaker 2: We had our lovely Uh Day brunch. Yes, that I
Speaker 2: got to be off of work for Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was fun. It was fun. We had like forty
Speaker 1: people come through if I counted, right, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think I did. It was fun, lots and lots
Speaker 1: of good food. We do brunch now because you know,
Speaker 1: everyone we know is old. None of us go out
Speaker 1: for New Year's Eve, so we're all awake, exactly, I
Speaker 1: might as well be able to drive in daylight, right
Speaker 1: and come and hang out.
Speaker 2: I drank so much champagne.
Speaker 1: We didn't have much. Yeah, we had champagne, but we
Speaker 1: had non alcoholic punch, and so because you know, it.
Speaker 2: Was literally something for everyone, right, there.
Speaker 1: Were some people having you know, Billini's and mimosas, which
Speaker 1: was good.
Speaker 2: That's why we had them.
Speaker 1: But we also had I made sherbet punch. Yes, I
Speaker 1: filled the punchba if we have a gorgeous crystal punch bowl,
Speaker 1: and I thought, what the hell exactly, might as well
Speaker 1: use it, bad boy, let's make some old school punch.
Speaker 2: And it was lovely, even though there was sherbet in it.
Speaker 1: That's wrong with that.
Speaker 2: I don't like sherbet, although to be fair, to be fair,
Speaker 2: I have not had sherbet since I was a little kid,
Speaker 2: and when I had it, I was expecting ice cream
Speaker 2: and it's not so I didn't like it when I
Speaker 2: had it, but I've avoided it my whole life.
Speaker 1: It's slightly somewhere between a sorba and an ice cream, right.
Speaker 2: So to be fair, I should try some.
Speaker 1: Even taste my punch, not because I didn't want to.
Speaker 1: People said it was still icious, That's what I heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't avoiding it. I just never got to
Speaker 2: have any mm hmm. No, really, I was gonna.
Speaker 1: Try it, but I think the other half chunk of
Speaker 1: sherbet is in the freezer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll try it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well I don't think it's any I'm sure
Speaker 1: my kind of throat in.
Speaker 2: There palette has expanded.
Speaker 1: It makes it cold, it makes it a little bit creamy.
Speaker 1: It's just it adds another fruit flavor, but not really
Speaker 1: creamy because it's you know, and it makes the fizzy's
Speaker 1: fizz and right, I mean it was simple and there
Speaker 1: was a bottle of vodka next to it, just in
Speaker 1: case anyone just made it that part.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and my love of food, my love of
Speaker 2: fruity desserts has expanded considerably since I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Because I had lots of food.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did the best scones I've ever had in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: My girlfriend Jenny brought scones and clotted cream and lemon
Speaker 1: curd and jam.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you didn't say scones and clotted cream and
Speaker 2: jam and lemon curd gorgeous. You have to say it
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: And they were delicious.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, we had a We had a ton of brunchy
Speaker 1: food and I loosely, I Kathy and I repeatedly watched
Speaker 1: The Family Stone and this Christmas.
Speaker 2: You keep saying you and Caro love.
Speaker 1: Actually, I mean you are there sometimes.
Speaker 2: I love The Family Stone.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you're not there every time I watch it. Well,
Speaker 1: because I'm not always home anyway. I made the Morton
Speaker 1: family strata from The Family Stone.
Speaker 2: My point is that's our movie, now, Okay.
Speaker 1: I made that. And I made Socker to Me cake,
Speaker 1: which features prominently in this Christmas.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I was. It was this year that I
Speaker 2: learned that socket to Me cake is not this uh
Speaker 2: recipe that's been passed down from generations of generations. At
Speaker 2: this point, it has a black women.
Speaker 1: Now. It's started in the sixties. I mean they passed
Speaker 1: it down for a little while. But I because every
Speaker 1: time in my life that I have encountered socket to
Speaker 1: Me cake, it's been a black woman in my life
Speaker 1: who had her.
Speaker 2: Socket to Me cake. This time I made it. I
Speaker 2: thought it was like one of those like recipes that
Speaker 2: you know, came through like black folks throughout the years.
Speaker 2: Come to front of it. It is.
Speaker 1: But since you know, late nineteen sixties when I think
Speaker 1: the recipe was first printed on the back of Duncan
Speaker 1: Hein's cake.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what I'm saying. It came from Duncan Hines.
Speaker 2: It didn't come from like.
Speaker 1: But that's part of the zeitgeist, that's part of our culture.
Speaker 1: I mean, like there were recipes, right you know. Then
Speaker 1: I learned as a child that that incorporated modern conveniences, right.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: My grandmother's keighley and aunt Lady's keighley was the best
Speaker 1: I've ever had. And it was not fucking yeast. Oh.
Speaker 1: It was like cream, cheese and flour and butter, and
Speaker 1: it makes the best dough in the world, simple, simple, simple, right,
Speaker 1: But you know that so those things evolve, right, I.
Speaker 2: Was just interesting.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, look at me learning green bean
Speaker 1: casserole was you know, trying to sell more Campbell's cream
Speaker 1: and mushroom soup and what that did. I still love that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: Like when I found out that that wasn't just something
Speaker 2: that like came through the generations of white people.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it did, but right ever since it
Speaker 1: was on the back of the cans, the French or
Speaker 1: the French's onion cannas where I think that recipe might
Speaker 1: have come from.
Speaker 2: So the songa toomey cake is to black people what
Speaker 2: the green bean castrole is to white people.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, I mean, you know, I mean that, And
Speaker 1: soccer toomy cake is basically bun cake, yes, where the
Speaker 1: filling is pecans and cinnamon and brown sugar.
Speaker 2: And it's nummy.
Speaker 1: It is, it's great. It's actually like a coffee cake, right,
Speaker 1: and it is tasty.
Speaker 2: I mean I and I have encountered enough black women
Speaker 2: in my life that when I hear soccer toomy cake
Speaker 2: immediately go mmmmmm.
Speaker 1: That was delicious. No, So that was fun. I made
Speaker 1: those made some caisa, yeah, that candied bacon. I was
Speaker 1: just normally I don't even cook meat in this house.
Speaker 2: But I was like fucking the candy bacon, nothing, you know,
Speaker 2: like whatever that I've bagged for it and got nine.
Speaker 1: Of Well, it's not my fa I put it out.
Speaker 2: I didn't say it was your fault where all the
Speaker 2: other appetizers were. I turned my back for a full
Speaker 2: four minutes. That was the problem. That was a pound
Speaker 2: of bacon. I know I was the one because you
Speaker 2: had said something about I was thinking of candied bacon.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, candy bacon. I never had it.
Speaker 2: And then you were like or maybe I was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you can't just dangle candy bacon in front of me
Speaker 2: and then say you're not doing it. I did it,
Speaker 2: and you did, and then it hit the table and
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I got to make sure I
Speaker 2: get one piece of that. And then I turned my
Speaker 2: back and I turned back again.
Speaker 1: They cleaned that plate, you know they did. I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to make more than a pound. No, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like that.
Speaker 2: Was probably the universe going that, you know, you didn't
Speaker 2: need this way. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: So the whole good luck for New Year's and God
Speaker 1: knows we need it is always like cabbage or sour kraut,
Speaker 1: pork and black eyed peace. So I made hop and
Speaker 1: John and Rice vegan. Right, it was very good, big raves,
Speaker 1: and the pork was the bacon, and and then I
Speaker 1: made Hungarian We call it kappa sub, which is just
Speaker 1: the word for cabbage. But I think anyway, Hungarian cabbage
Speaker 1: and noodles, which is like hullishky with bacon for the
Speaker 1: Polish people. But anyway, so I made that. So I
Speaker 1: made the cabbage and that has bacon in it. And
Speaker 1: so I made the pork, and I made the black
Speaker 1: eyed peas. So we did everything we could to bring
Speaker 1: in and that. But that's why I chose those dishes. Okay.
Speaker 2: See, growing up in my house, it was always the
Speaker 2: traditional New Year's meal was pork roast, collared greens, and
Speaker 2: black eyed peas. I didn't do greens for health, money
Speaker 2: and luck perspective. Of course, I skipped the money. Fuck
Speaker 2: well that was what the shabbage was for.
Speaker 1: Well, right, I white people do cabbage, I guess not always. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have done greens. I just didn't. I just didn't.
Speaker 2: And I didn't beg for it. No you didn't, So
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't think. But I made the hop
Speaker 2: and John and we bought that can of glory greens too.
Speaker 1: And you had that, Yeah, that would be quick. Yeah
Speaker 1: whatever I didn't do. I didn't make a pot of greens,
Speaker 1: but I made a whole thing of popping john and
Speaker 1: rice and that was delicious.
Speaker 2: So yeah, lots of food.
Speaker 1: And then Kathleen catered half the damn thing. So we
Speaker 1: had begel. We had a begel tray, had smoked salmon
Speaker 1: croissants that were getting were they I didn't have? They
Speaker 1: were getting raves.
Speaker 2: Those disappeared quick too, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: We had a muffin tray.
Speaker 2: Because I didn't get a second smoked salmon, right.
Speaker 1: We had We had a French toast castle.
Speaker 2: That was very good, all kinds of dessert a.
Speaker 1: Lot because mm hmmm, and brought because lacas and with
Speaker 1: our cream and apple sauce and cranberry sauce.
Speaker 2: Aunt Joan made me bowls.
Speaker 1: She made the appetizer and she walks and dismissing the food,
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, what which made them taste it?
Speaker 2: And they're like, these are actually good.
Speaker 1: Exactly what a mountain they got eaten exactly.
Speaker 2: But she was like let her fail.
Speaker 1: I'm like, knock it off.
Speaker 2: I believe, she said, I am an emotional cripple over
Speaker 2: these appetizers. You know, drama. There was a lot of
Speaker 2: drama in the room.
Speaker 1: So all things can said, it was a very lovely
Speaker 1: event with not much of that. Right when you consider
Speaker 1: all the potential drama we had.
Speaker 2: Right, A lot of queers, right, a lot of queers.
Speaker 2: You put more than three queers in.
Speaker 1: A room, anything can happen.
Speaker 2: The potential for drama increases three hundredfold.
Speaker 1: And we had desserts and cookies, and you know, the
Speaker 1: scones were outstanding, like it's just so much good food
Speaker 1: and lovely people. It was a lovely day, lovely, lovely people.
Speaker 2: Nice little cross section of humanity.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, and they were all our and I realized, yeah,
Speaker 1: at one point, I don't know, the four trans people
Speaker 1: left in the house where we were all standing in
Speaker 1: the kitchen like good tuck in the living room where
Speaker 1: we're allowed to sit down. Why are we standing here
Speaker 1: like we're segregated?
Speaker 2: There was It just happened because I was in the kitchen,
Speaker 2: probably like cleaning something, and we just started keykeying and
Speaker 2: the key key got extended maybe and no one left
Speaker 2: until you.
Speaker 1: Well, no, but there were still people in the living room.
Speaker 1: But it was just I don't know, it was weird
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, let's go in the living room.
Speaker 1: We're allowed in there. It's my living room exactly. No,
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was good. There was good
Speaker 1: conversation and lovely people, and there's where we need to
Speaker 1: focus our time.
Speaker 2: Exactly. That's my point.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know somebody had to fiddle wall room burned,
Speaker 1: might as well be. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2: The important things are relationships and family and connections and
Speaker 2: working together to move forward. And since we can't look
Speaker 2: to the folks in quote unquote charge for that, we'll
Speaker 2: do it our damnself.
Speaker 1: Well, no, because the children are going to be back
Speaker 1: in charge of our government, not the experts, but those
Speaker 1: who you know, exploit our environment and you know, our
Speaker 1: treasury for their own ends. That's what's happening. That's what
Speaker 1: folks voted for apparently, so that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: And watch the deficit triple Watch you know what's bigger
Speaker 1: than a trillion? How many trillions do get before you
Speaker 1: get up to a Google or something? Because you know,
Speaker 1: watch right. Watch Anyway, let's just move on, because there's
Speaker 1: dead people that we should talk about.
Speaker 2: It's our rip section first.
Speaker 1: Of all, and you put them at the bottom, but
Speaker 1: I want to bring him at the top. Jimmy Carter
Speaker 1: left us at one hundred because he was looking at,
Speaker 1: you know, the inauguration coming up on the calendar and went,
Speaker 1: fuck this. Yeah, that's what I feel like happened. He
Speaker 1: just went, now, I don't need one hundred and one.
Speaker 2: I gave you all one hundred years and that's all
Speaker 2: you go and get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a piece about his legacy with our folks,
Speaker 1: you know. Obviously Nobel Peace Prize winner Georgia native passed
Speaker 1: away on December twenty ninth. He left behind a legacy
Speaker 1: of progressive values, racial advocacy, and early, though imperfect LGBTQ support.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was born in October first, nineteen twenty four and Cleans, Georgia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: raised on his parents' peanut farm, and he died in
Speaker 1: the same town in the house he and his wife,
Speaker 1: Roslyn spent the majority of their lives.
Speaker 2: What A what A.
Speaker 1: I used to say the reason he was a one
Speaker 1: term president is because we just can't elect an honest
Speaker 1: man under the presidency, not.
Speaker 2: At that level of.
Speaker 1: Integrity. And you know, and I kind of back that
Speaker 1: up because Obama certainly had a ton of integrity, and
Speaker 1: I believe Joe Biden does too. But I'm just saying
Speaker 1: there was just no sleeves on Jimmy Carter, and you're
Speaker 1: such a sincere human and we couldn't take that. So
Speaker 1: then we brought in, we ushered in, you know, all
Speaker 1: of the dystopia we've experienced since nineteen eighty when we
Speaker 1: brought in Saint Regan, and we're still paying for that.
Speaker 1: And look where we are again today. I'm really not
Speaker 1: Mary Sunshine today.
Speaker 2: I notice. Sorry, oh Mary Sunstroke. Yeah.
Speaker 1: At the DNC in nineteen seventy six, he disappointed advocates
Speaker 1: when convention officials, at the request of the Carter campaign,
Speaker 1: refused to include a gay rights plank as part of
Speaker 1: the party's approved platform. They said it was too slow
Speaker 1: to speak out again to Proposition six in nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: eight in California, the ballot measure that would ban gay
Speaker 1: and lesbian individuals from working in public schools. People, none
Speaker 1: of this is new right. Harvey Milk wrote a letter
Speaker 1: to Carter calling on him to take a stand against
Speaker 1: Prop six, and four months later Carter spoke out against
Speaker 1: Prop six during a campaign speech in support of California
Speaker 1: Democratic candidates. It was defeated by a vote of fifty
Speaker 1: eight point four percent to forty one point five and that,
Speaker 1: of course, was famously fueled by Nita Bryant. Oh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he lost around o Reagon in nineteen eighty amid economic
Speaker 1: problems and the Iranian hostage crisis. And you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what do we call it a coincidence that
Speaker 1: the hostages were released immediately after? Yeah? But he was
Speaker 1: just a thoroughly good man. And this was a Christian,
Speaker 1: This was someone who lived their values.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In two thousand and five, he told Sean Kennedy
Speaker 2: at The Advocate that he was quote a worshiper of
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ who never mentioned homosexuals in any way. He said,
Speaker 2: I've never looked upon sexuality as any sort of reason
Speaker 2: to condemn a person. I think it's an inherent characteristic,
Speaker 2: just like other things that we do with their lives. Yep.
Speaker 2: And then in two thousand and seven he called for
Speaker 2: an end to Don't Ask, Don't Tell, calling it the
Speaker 2: only law in America today that regulates a group of citizens.
Speaker 2: Then prohibits them from identifying themselves and speaking up on
Speaker 2: their own behalf. Yep, he was a very explicit supporter
Speaker 2: of marriage equality. Yes, before over Fell and VI Hodges.
Speaker 2: So you know he's been vocal consistently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean right, and many of them evolved, I mean,
Speaker 1: God knows right, but yeah, exactly, and yeah, the list
Speaker 1: goes on. But thoroughly, thoroughly decent human being.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's perfect, but you know he got I think,
Speaker 2: more right than he did wrong.
Speaker 1: The other person who died on the same day of
Speaker 1: December twenty ninth Linda Lavin, who was eighty seven. I
Speaker 1: loved her work. I loved Alice.
Speaker 2: I did too.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I loved Alice. You know, she's been
Speaker 1: in so many things I grew up on. I'm guessing
Speaker 1: Rerun I must still possibly, yeah, because that was like
Speaker 1: the yeah you were I don't think you remember, like
Speaker 1: the seventies.
Speaker 2: Or maybe like it was like the end of the
Speaker 2: first run, but it was also syndicated.
Speaker 1: Possibly, yeah, because that was Alice came out in like
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, so I would have been one year old. Yeah.
Speaker 2: How long did it run?
Speaker 1: Like nine years? Yeah? Nine seasons?
Speaker 2: Hmm, so until eighty five something like that. Okay, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I was watching First Round episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was just old, you know, obviously older
Speaker 1: than you. But I loved Alice and and a lot
Speaker 1: of the work she's done since then. She's still she
Speaker 1: was still working quite recently. Apparently she had a lung
Speaker 1: cancer diagnosis and did not last very long. Yeah but yeah,
Speaker 1: what a what a what a phenomenal actress, what a
Speaker 1: what a storied resume? Yeah, you know, Broadway, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, so, and.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know, I loved her character of Alice,
Speaker 2: but my favorite character, and Alice would have been Flowing.
Speaker 2: I kiss Margret's Polly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Vira and flow now and Alice and Polly.
Speaker 2: Holliday was in one of my favorite episodes of The
Speaker 2: Golden Girls when she played Rose's blind sister.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that's right. I forgot about that. I
Speaker 1: forgot about that. Yeah, she was again. She was in
Speaker 1: the Sopranos member she played the therapist that Meta went
Speaker 1: to that they hated that. Okay, Yeah, she's been in
Speaker 1: so many things, so yes, she's gone. Yeah, now we
Speaker 1: got others, others story masters. Yeah, not at sixty.
Speaker 2: Three pioneering LGBTQ journalists at the home of several influential publications,
Speaker 2: notably Gay City News in New York City and the
Speaker 2: LA Blade since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She died on December eleventh in his home in
Speaker 1: West Hollywood at sixty three, younger and younger. I no,
Speaker 1: that's sorry, and the medical examiner determined the cause was suicide. Oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn.
Speaker 1: He grew up in Tennessee, went to New York City
Speaker 1: in the eighties, worked for Out Week, QW LGNY and
Speaker 1: the successor Gay City News before moving west and starting
Speaker 1: the LA Blade in twenty seventeen in partnership with the
Speaker 1: Washington Blade, which was founded in nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 2: Kevin Naff, who is the editor of The Washington Blade
Speaker 2: and the owner of both the Washington and LA papers,
Speaker 2: said that Troy was a pioneer of LGBTQ media who
Speaker 2: was fueled by a passion for advocacy and brought his
Speaker 2: commitment to justice, truth and best in class journalism.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In the first issue of the LA Blade, mister Masters
Speaker 2: described the heady promises and challenges that his readers faced. Quote,
Speaker 2: we are living in a paradigm shifting moment in real time.
Speaker 2: You can feel it. Sometimes it's overwhelming, sometimes it's toxic.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's perplexing, even terrifying. On the other hand, sometimes
Speaker 2: it's just downright exhilarating.
Speaker 1: You know he did. He used his platform to really
Speaker 1: talk about monkey pocks and bring it to the f
Speaker 1: and you know, get it discussed. And yeah, that early
Speaker 1: work with that was pretty instrumental. And you know, we've
Speaker 1: talked to Rob Rekerd even about how it could have
Speaker 1: been much worse and it wasn't because of folks like Masters.
Speaker 2: And he went there about monkey pops too. He said,
Speaker 2: this is not a gay disease, nor is it a
Speaker 2: sex panic, but it is hitting our community hard and
Speaker 2: we must protect ourselves and each other. If monkey pox
Speaker 2: is used as a cudgel against the community of men
Speaker 2: who have sex with men, it will be time to
Speaker 2: act up and fight again. Act up in all caps.
Speaker 2: So that was a double reference. Joe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is gone, Rest in peace.
Speaker 2: Art Evans died. You knew who this is.
Speaker 1: I know you do.
Speaker 2: You've seen him in things, okay, I know you have.
Speaker 2: He's always playing like the older black man who is
Speaker 2: a voice of reason to the younger black man, like
Speaker 2: that's kind of been his his thing, and a lot
Speaker 2: of things, like for instance, in the movie School Days
Speaker 2: when he was trying to school Laurence Fishburne's character about
Speaker 2: like advocacy is great, what you have to think about
Speaker 2: the bigger picture. But his two of his more notable
Speaker 2: roles were I know is I was going say, I
Speaker 2: know you do? He was in a Soldier story and
Speaker 2: die Hard too. But I've seen him in so many things.
Speaker 2: He was just one of those actors that, like, you know,
Speaker 2: if he's in the movie, you know it's a good movie.
Speaker 1: Two yeah mm and last Brenton would Yes.
Speaker 2: He was the singer known for the song the Ugam
Speaker 2: Bughem song. You know Ukham bookham Ugum buogm baby now
Speaker 2: that song?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was eighty three died from a natural causes
Speaker 2: surrounded by his family at his home in Marino Valley, California. Okay,
Speaker 2: apparently he lived a good life. He was from Shreveport, Louisiana.
Speaker 2: H He was on a farewell tour in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four catch You on the Rebound the last tour, which
Speaker 2: paused after his hospitalization. But uh, that was the jam
Speaker 2: the Ugambogem song that back when you could just string
Speaker 2: some syllables together and have a hit.
Speaker 1: I came out in like nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, So rest in peace to arts who Brighton Wood.
Speaker 2: Yes, was that everybody?
Speaker 1: They're the ones you listed? I mean there were certainly others.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of folks. We just heard about
Speaker 1: Aubrey Plasi's husband who also suicided.
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Filmmaker Jeff Baina. Huh was Aubrey Plas's husband, found
Speaker 1: dead in their La home. He was forty seven. Damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a damn shame.
Speaker 1: I guess that is right now the apparent clause of Jeff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that one I just heard about. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was yesterday.
Speaker 2: I did not hear about that. Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did several films together. He was an independent filmmaker.
Speaker 1: He did go to NYU for film school. He co
Speaker 1: wrote I think probably most famously, I Heart Hockeates.
Speaker 2: Oh I did hear about this. I didn't realize he
Speaker 2: was Aubrey Plaus's husband.
Speaker 1: Yep. He directed five of his own films, four of
Speaker 1: which premiered at Sundance.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, I am said that he died, but I
Speaker 2: did not enjoy his work. Okay, specifically, iHeart Huckebees don't.
Speaker 1: I don't remember it. I feel like I've seen it,
Speaker 1: and I don't think I was in love it was anyway,
Speaker 1: he also left us recently. There was also who.
Speaker 2: Was the other one?
Speaker 1: Eighty one? She was eighty one. I think britt Allcroft
Speaker 1: write a producer and voice actress, best known as the
Speaker 1: creator of Thomas the Tank. Nd.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she died on the twenty seventh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that on social media.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so that was another one. That was another one.
Speaker 2: That's a shame.
Speaker 1: And it's that time of year apparently, Yeah, apparently this
Speaker 1: is the busy season.
Speaker 2: As it were.
Speaker 1: Now, well, my father was you know, we actually had
Speaker 1: his funeral between Christmas and New Years because he his
Speaker 1: official date of death is the twenty sixth of December,
Speaker 1: but really he tried the twenty fifth. It's when he
Speaker 1: collapsed Christmas morning, ten o'clock.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it wasn't a shock, but it was
Speaker 1: pretty sudden because he was up an alert and we
Speaker 1: had a big party on Christmas Eve, and he you know,
Speaker 1: he was good until he wasn't. Wasn't yep.
Speaker 2: So but you know, it's it's.
Speaker 1: Apparently common, you know, this time of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the holidays. My mother was the day after Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, and he's day after Christmas in two
Speaker 1: thousand and four.
Speaker 2: So the holidays are never like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just this was the twenty year anniversary
Speaker 1: of my father's death this Christmas.
Speaker 2: The holidays are never an easy time for you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that just because it was so important to him,
Speaker 1: especially Christmas, you know that it was such an important day.
Speaker 1: Just so many things have changed. I used to cook
Speaker 1: for twenty five people, right, but you know, we know
Speaker 1: how to make a reservation for Thanksgiving dinner too, don't
Speaker 1: getting twisted. That's made some good reservations very tasty, truly,
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, so let's take a break because we
Speaker 1: do have a lot of good news and we'll come
Speaker 1: back with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: So eight LA comps were fired after a mess of
Speaker 1: cover up a police beating of a transmit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had been seeing this story develop, but now
Speaker 2: that there's actual, like you know, consequences feel like we
Speaker 2: can talk about. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A contempt of cop indictment involving a twenty three year
Speaker 1: old transman and the LA County sheriff who beat him
Speaker 1: in the parking lot of a seven to eleven grew
Speaker 1: to include at least eight deputies fired for participating in
Speaker 1: a cover up of their colleagues action yep. The La
Speaker 1: Times reports multiple La County Sheriff's deputies have been relieved
Speaker 1: of duty amid a federal investigation into the beating of
Speaker 1: teacher Emmett Brock after he flipped off a sheriff's deputy
Speaker 1: and was beaten in the aftermath. The deputy agreed to
Speaker 1: a plead guilty in federal court to one felon account
Speaker 1: of deprivation of rights under the color of law in
Speaker 1: relation to the incident, which carries a maximum ten years.
Speaker 1: He's probably going to get probation. But in February of
Speaker 1: twenty three, Brock, the victim, drove by Benza, who was
Speaker 1: arguing with a woman engaging in a traffic stop, and
Speaker 1: flipped off the deputy right He didn't think the officer
Speaker 1: would even see the gesture. Soon after he was followed,
Speaker 1: Benza was falling Brock, and a two mile pursuit that
Speaker 1: ended with Brock bloodied and beaten in a seven to
Speaker 1: eleven parking lot.
Speaker 2: YEP.
Speaker 1: Video captured Benza beating Brock for three minutes YEP as
Speaker 1: the young man pleaded for his life. Benza admitted he
Speaker 1: lied to the FBI, alleged to other deputies, including supervisors,
Speaker 1: helped him obstruct the investigation and cover up his misconduct.
Speaker 2: He's taking everybody with him.
Speaker 1: The La County Sheriff's Department confirmed he had been fired
Speaker 1: on December eighteenth. The next day, they admitted multiple other
Speaker 1: deputies had also been relieved of duties.
Speaker 2: I saw the video, but I didn't watch it. I
Speaker 2: was happy that there was video. I fast forwarded through
Speaker 2: it just to make sure that every like there was
Speaker 2: damna evidence caught on the camera, And there was. That's
Speaker 2: all I need to say. Oh yeah, yeah, because he
Speaker 2: flipped someone off. So yeah, I mean, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It's a mess.
Speaker 1: This is how thin the skin is on so many
Speaker 1: law enforcements, which is terrifying.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I know that they did a strip search of the transman,
Speaker 1: which is you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: How that came into play. That part, but of course
Speaker 2: it did.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, I imagine a civil suit will follow and good,
Speaker 1: but at least there's a little bit of justice out
Speaker 1: of la.
Speaker 2: Exactly, you've got a gun, you've got a taser, you've
Speaker 2: got pepper spray, you've got a stick like but someone
Speaker 2: a hand gesture threatened you.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, exactly. It's all ticks because they think
Speaker 1: that they are somehow uh you know, above it.
Speaker 2: All these people have balls made of soap bubbles or something.
Speaker 1: I swear to Craze that's true.
Speaker 2: So the courthouse that issued our country's first gay marriage
Speaker 2: license becomes a National Historic landmark. Good. US Secretary of
Speaker 2: the Interior deb Holland announced that the Boulder County Courthouse
Speaker 2: in Colorado has been designated a National Historic Landmark for
Speaker 2: being the site of the first issuing of a same
Speaker 2: sex marriage license in the United States. On March twenty sixth,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five, Damn Boulder County Clerk Klelo Roorax issued
Speaker 2: the license after confirming with the assistant district attorney that
Speaker 2: state law did not ban marriage between two people of
Speaker 2: the same sex. This act of courage ignited a nationwide
Speaker 2: conversation about marriage equality and cemented the courthouse's role as
Speaker 2: a symbol of hope and progress for the LGBTQ plus community.
Speaker 1: Yep, within weeks, X issued five more same sex marriage licenses,
Speaker 1: and new That's across the country spotlighted Boulder as a
Speaker 1: trailblazer for civil rights work. At the time, Boulder was
Speaker 1: deeply divided over gay rights. A few had thought about
Speaker 1: same sex couples marrying, singing parallel with the women's movement,
Speaker 1: and finding nothing in the law to prevent it. The
Speaker 1: thirty one year old county clerk ultimately granted six licenses
Speaker 1: to gay couples before the state's attorney general at the time, J. D. McFarlane,
Speaker 1: ordered her to stop. So, yeah, all the way back then, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't realize it was that long ago. Yep, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: First with gay marriage, then legal we Colorado. There you go.
Speaker 2: For five minutes, I was considering going to University of
Speaker 2: Colorado at Boulder from my master's degree. But then I
Speaker 2: was like, but you'd be living in Colorado. I mean,
Speaker 2: no shade of Colorado, but it gets called there.
Speaker 1: Okay. That was really a thirteen LGBTQ plus elected lawmakers
Speaker 1: join the one hundred and nineteenth Congress. This is the
Speaker 1: largest group of out LGBTQ plus members in US history,
Speaker 1: A dynamic thirteen legislators who are redefining what representation in
Speaker 1: Washington looks like. Heerry McBride made history as the first
Speaker 1: openly transgender person elected to Congress, Emily Randall of Washington,
Speaker 1: first queer Latina representative, Julie Johnson of Texas. She is
Speaker 1: state's first openly queer representative, a shift even in traditionally
Speaker 1: conservative strongholds. They joined seasoned icons like Robert Garcia of California,
Speaker 1: the first out immigrant in Congress represented to Richie Torres
Speaker 1: of New York, first Afro Latina to serve senator, to
Speaker 1: Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about it. That's cool.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's bittersweet because Sara McBride immediately
Speaker 2: sucked it up.
Speaker 1: Well, but that's a whole exactly. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: she is our first trans member of Congress. She's sworn
Speaker 1: in on January third. She represents you know, Delawares one
Speaker 1: at large district.
Speaker 2: But not the trans people in it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, yeah, it's a complicated, not really, but
Speaker 1: I was going to say, is it not really? Not
Speaker 1: really anyway, a lot of firsts. So here's a quote
Speaker 1: from Sarah McBride. It is not surprising to me is
Speaker 1: that an anti trans bill will be one of the
Speaker 1: first they put forward. She called it part of a
Speaker 1: broader strategy to distract from economic issues. Uh, these anti
Speaker 1: LGBTQ policies have an impact on every single person in
Speaker 1: this country who believes that the time and energy of
Speaker 1: the federal government should be spent improving the lives of workers,
Speaker 1: improving conditions facing retirees, and improving support for our families.
Speaker 1: M hm right, mm hmm. She thinks she can bridge divides,
Speaker 1: which that's cute, right, And yeah, she has a private
Speaker 1: bathroom depan and the rest of us can fuck ourselves
Speaker 1: that part, or you know, risk whatever punishments they're going
Speaker 1: to put in place for their symbolic nonsense. I guess.
Speaker 1: So it is what it is, right, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, this is not without merit, of
Speaker 1: course she is the first.
Speaker 2: Right, that part is going to be true regardless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this Kumbaya, we're all the same, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to single out the trouble. Well, We're
Speaker 1: being singled out, my dear, we are being singled out.
Speaker 1: You know, they are directly targeting folks, and the example
Speaker 1: you just set is still reprehensible. Sorry, you know, every
Speaker 1: trans kid just herdue and you know, lost a little
Speaker 1: error and a little height.
Speaker 2: But whatever you do. You just because you're the first,
Speaker 2: does it mean you're the best? Well?
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, you know, and if you well, never mind,
Speaker 1: we already talked about this. If you can't connect civil
Speaker 1: rights and the greater you know what I mean. Nobody
Speaker 1: ever gained ground by saying yes, so please, can I
Speaker 1: have some more of that? Never happened, but let's try
Speaker 1: it just in case.
Speaker 2: What's the definition of insanity?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I've said enough So. California has banned schools
Speaker 1: from forcing teachers to out queer students. Yay, rights, I mean,
Speaker 1: and obviously in particular we're talking about trans kids, right.
Speaker 1: The new law prevents schools from acquiring staff to notify
Speaker 1: parents if a student identifies as LGBTQ, in its response
Speaker 1: to some districts requiring staff to notify parents when students
Speaker 1: identify as a gender other than what's in their official files.
Speaker 4: Have a K.
Speaker 2: Newsom said at a press conference. Teachers can still talk
Speaker 2: to their parents. What they can't do is fire a
Speaker 2: teacher for not being a snitch. I don't think teachers
Speaker 2: should be gender police here here exactly.
Speaker 1: Because if you don't know, it's because your kid doesn't
Speaker 1: trust you, and there's probably a good reason for.
Speaker 2: That, exactly.
Speaker 1: And you know, a rule like this doesn't protect kids,
Speaker 1: not the queer kids, not the trans kids.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's not designed too.
Speaker 1: But they aren't human anyway. So yeah, you know, there
Speaker 1: are opponents to the new law. Of course, the parental
Speaker 1: notification policy is actually strengthen ties between students and parents.
Speaker 1: No they do not, No, they don't. Nope, no, sorry, No.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I would have lived if I
Speaker 1: would have been out at as trans as a child,
Speaker 1: I really don't. I I doubt it would have been
Speaker 1: in this house, I hear strongly. I doubt that, and
Speaker 1: I'd had more than just the one exorcism. But you know,
Speaker 1: let's keep doing this shit anyway, there's a lull. Let's
Speaker 1: hope that holds exactly fingers crossed you fingers cross, because
Speaker 1: this is a sound policymaking, you know.
Speaker 2: That actually protects kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that actually does and the teachers that right, spend
Speaker 1: the most time with them.
Speaker 2: Now, this story is kind of cool. Okay, So there's
Speaker 2: a camp in northern Minnesota that is closing down. Pine
Speaker 2: County Camp.
Speaker 1: The eighty acre site in Willow River, Minnesota, about forty
Speaker 1: minutes southwest of Duluth, has served kids living with or
Speaker 1: effect by HIV and AIDS for more than thirty years.
Speaker 1: The number of babies contracting the virus through their mothers
Speaker 1: has declined to the point where such a camp no
Speaker 1: longer needs to exist. Right, This is some of what
Speaker 1: we're seeing happening, like with the AIDS fund saying, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't need to be here anymore, they don't need
Speaker 1: to do exactly what they were doing, right, And this
Speaker 1: is kind of another example of that.
Speaker 2: Right. So it's like it's a bittersweet thing. It's like, ah,
Speaker 2: this tradition, this thing that has a standing tradition, has
Speaker 2: to go away. But the reason for it is great.
Speaker 1: Right in the United States, the perinatal HIV transmission rate,
Speaker 1: or the rate of a mother passing the virus onto
Speaker 1: a child through pregnancy, birth, or breastfeeding, is now less
Speaker 1: than one percent thanks to anti retroviral medications. According to
Speaker 1: the CDC. The World Health Organization says that globally, new
Speaker 1: infections among children up to age fourteen have declined by
Speaker 1: thirty eight percent since twenty five fifteen, and AIDS related
Speaker 1: deaths have fallen by forty three percent.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, and that's a cool thing.
Speaker 1: I think so, I think so.
Speaker 2: And I didn't even know that that camp existed. I did,
Speaker 2: Oh you did. Okay, Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: I did. During the first several years, of course of
Speaker 1: the camp's existence, death was common. Now, many of the
Speaker 1: thousands who swam and hiked and mid crafts at the
Speaker 1: camp have married and had children. A documentary is being
Speaker 1: filmed about the camp, which eventually broadened its reach to
Speaker 1: serve different campers, including those with diabetes and LGBTQ youth.
Speaker 1: It was largely serving the latter group last summer. The
Speaker 1: nonprofit hopes to sell the camp to another group that
Speaker 1: will serve kids. That there's no longer a need for
Speaker 1: this camp's original purposes. The greatest story that I ever
Speaker 1: could have imagined. It's something I never could have predicted,
Speaker 1: said the founder of the camp, Neil Willinson. Founded One
Speaker 1: Heartland in nineteen ninety three when he was twenty two. Wow,
Speaker 1: he is now fifty three, and marveled at how quickly
Speaker 1: his college age dreams of working in Hollywood as an
Speaker 1: actor and producer diverged to running a nonprofit.
Speaker 2: That's actually not uncommon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2: It is cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these things were rearranging things because
Speaker 1: it's possible, right, Yeah, And there's not the same call
Speaker 1: that there was when it began thirty years ago. So
Speaker 1: that is good stuff.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Yeah, what else for goot? So this is
Speaker 2: something that I've been seeing happen here and there for
Speaker 2: the past few years, since the whole CRT debate has
Speaker 2: become a thing. Oh right, this is in Florida.
Speaker 1: Those words right exactly.
Speaker 2: Florida's students are giving up Saturday to learn black history
Speaker 2: lessons their schools don't teach.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's becoming like the new underground railroad of education
Speaker 2: and shit.
Speaker 1: Okay. The Spady Cultural Heritage Museum in Delray Beach and
Speaker 1: in similar programs that community centers across the state, many
Speaker 1: supported by Black churches, which for generations have helped forge
Speaker 1: the cultural and political identity of their parishioners.
Speaker 2: Yep. In an old wooden bungalow and Delray Beach. Charlene
Speaker 2: Farrington and her staff gathered groups of teenagers on Saturday
Speaker 2: mornings to teach them lessons she worries that public schools
Speaker 2: won't provide. They talk about South Florida's Caribbean roots, the
Speaker 2: state's dark history of lynching, how segregation still shapes the landscape,
Speaker 2: and how grassroots activists mobilize the civil rights movement to
Speaker 2: up end generations of oppression.
Speaker 1: Wow, she said to her.
Speaker 2: Students, you need to know how it happened before so
Speaker 2: you can decide how you want it to happen again.
Speaker 1: M hm agreed, Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 2: That's been a thing. I was reading stories about, like
Speaker 2: folks gathering in the basements of churches or like small
Speaker 2: rooms and like having clandestine black history conversations in history lessons.
Speaker 1: How ridiculous.
Speaker 2: You know, the fact that you have to do this
Speaker 2: shit in secret?
Speaker 1: Well, and this is you know that this is the
Speaker 1: direction we're all headed.
Speaker 2: You know, you know what it feels like. It just
Speaker 2: occurred to me. It feels like when enslaved people had
Speaker 2: to like teach each other to read and write in secret.
Speaker 1: And then pretend they couldn't and write it does well.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of these folks harken back to
Speaker 1: that era as at the good times, right back in
Speaker 1: the good old days.
Speaker 2: Ain't that some shit? Ain't that some shit?
Speaker 1: It's awesome shit.
Speaker 2: That's why I like on social media. Every now and again,
Speaker 2: I'll see a post like someone will stop a group,
Speaker 2: like be on a college campus or whatever, and stop
Speaker 2: a bunch of random people and show them a bunch
Speaker 2: of different photos of notable historical Black figures, and if
Speaker 2: they can guess all of them, they get money, Like
Speaker 2: right there. Wow, Like let's just incentivize, you know. And
Speaker 2: the number of young black people that can positively identify
Speaker 2: these people is heartening. The number of people that can't actually,
Speaker 2: you know what, it's not that many like and usually
Speaker 2: like if it's two people of the same age and
Speaker 2: one person doesn't know the other, one's like who raised you?
Speaker 2: So there's still hope. I remember my mom would give
Speaker 2: me like extracurricular homework. She brought in these calendars and
Speaker 2: each month was a different notable figure, so I had
Speaker 2: to like learn up on that person and then write
Speaker 2: a few paragraphs about them. I'm like eight nine ten
Speaker 2: at the time. Yeah, that's how I know who like
Speaker 2: Mary McLeod Beuthune is you know, Benjamin Banneker like folks
Speaker 2: like that. Awesome.
Speaker 1: You know, we all should.
Speaker 2: I agree, it shouldn't be relegated to a special category
Speaker 2: at a special time. It's all history. Black history is
Speaker 2: American history, Queer history is American history. You're preaching to
Speaker 2: the choir, and they're both world history, you know.
Speaker 1: And what a better world it would be, you know,
Speaker 1: And how much less ugliness and bullying would you know
Speaker 1: we suffer if we bother to teach that we all
Speaker 1: have a place in this world. But that's some of them.
Speaker 2: Like what would the last ten years look like if
Speaker 2: it was common knowledge what happened on Black Wall Street
Speaker 2: in Greenwood? You know what I mean? Anyone?
Speaker 1: Okay, So I think that's all the good news we
Speaker 1: could take up this week. I can't think of them anymore.
Speaker 1: We tried, We tried, you know, we gave it our
Speaker 1: best shot.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 1: Do you have a fifteen minute pig.
Speaker 2: I do, And it actually kind of piggybacks off of
Speaker 2: that last story. Okay, So when I am at work
Speaker 2: and I have to do med audits, which involves counting.
Speaker 2: I like to silence the white noise in the back
Speaker 2: of my head by putting on music that I don't
Speaker 2: actually have to pay attention to. Okay, Like sometimes it's
Speaker 2: drummond bass. This time it was house, and so I
Speaker 2: was listening to house music and this song pulled my focus.
Speaker 2: I had never heard it before. In fact, the chorus
Speaker 2: specifically is what pulled my focus. Because I'm over here
Speaker 2: counting and I hear do not Fuck with Colored People.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what huh? So I paused and
Speaker 2: I started listening to this song, and I was like,
Speaker 2: is this a motherfucking house song about Claudette Colvin? Really? Yes?
Speaker 2: It is? Okay, Okay, it's the It's off of an
Speaker 2: album by Rafe Gum and this song is Claudette featuring
Speaker 2: Monique Bingham, and uh yeah, it's about Claudette Coven and
Speaker 2: the Montgomery Buss Boycott. Okay. Then fun yeah, and it's funky.
Speaker 2: I've listened to I stopped and listened to it like
Speaker 2: five times, and listened to it again on the way home,
Speaker 2: and for a couple of days, I'm walking around going
Speaker 2: do not fuck we call it people?
Speaker 1: That's not what I thought was happening in our house.
Speaker 1: But it's good to know. What's a song that's not true?
Speaker 1: Not so this will be a fun way to go
Speaker 1: out to the break.
Speaker 2: What is the name of the Claudette Claudette featuring Monique Binger.
Speaker 1: All right, then we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: Cuse ever result ever resarty only all the time away.
Speaker 5: Don't get that confused.
Speaker 4: Baby, can.
Speaker 5: Let me go out my saying so they know to
Speaker 5: never try or even think whise and think this is a.
Speaker 2: Cut on.
Speaker 4: People, Come lumber, I got people.
Speaker 2: Come one, come mother, you don't m h.
Speaker 5: M hm.
Speaker 2: And we're back. We're back. That was you know, jam right,
Speaker 2: I hear you.
Speaker 1: And every time we say don't fuck with us, whoever
Speaker 1: we may be, there's a mouth breathing Republican somewhere going
Speaker 1: hold my bear right true good lord. So you know,
Speaker 1: here's the thing before the official cavalcade of nonsense. I'm nonsensing, okay,
Speaker 1: because I don't know where else this story belongs. And
Speaker 1: I'm not It's not so much that I am trying
Speaker 1: to judge my fallow queers as I you know, I
Speaker 1: just feel sad about this story and I want to
Speaker 1: talk about it. Okay, So this is from today's Philadelphia Enquirer.
Speaker 1: So the headline is published today in the Sunday Enquirer,
Speaker 1: the queer people who are buying guns to prepare for
Speaker 1: Trump's America. You know, in the subheading we are not
Speaker 1: looking to arm up and storm the Capitol. One gun
Speaker 1: owner said, we just don't want to be put in
Speaker 1: concentration camps. Well, here, here, fair it is you know,
Speaker 1: the person they seem to focus on as a trans
Speaker 1: woman who, as a result of the election, decided she
Speaker 1: would learn how to use a gun and got one.
Speaker 1: It is chilling. I just wanted to, you know, talk
Speaker 1: about this because this has come up so often.
Speaker 2: Part of the.
Speaker 1: Problem with gun ownership and within our communities is we
Speaker 1: have a great propensity to use it on ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, I've lost too many people that were really
Speaker 1: close to me because you know, they had easy access
Speaker 1: to a loaded weapon at a time when life got challenging,
Speaker 1: and that became a permanent solution to what was for
Speaker 1: sure a temporary problem, right.
Speaker 2: I mean they didn't see it that way, but you know.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, research and statistics do tell us that
Speaker 1: the likelihood of an accident, the likelihood of having the
Speaker 1: gun turned on ourselves. You know, it goes up, not down.
Speaker 1: They're dangerous, agree, and you know, and I understand the fear,
Speaker 1: but you know, the fear that has driven this country,
Speaker 1: you know, brought us another like this is you know,
Speaker 1: it's still unthinkable that that jackass is going to be
Speaker 1: president again. It's just unthinkable that we're that we would
Speaker 1: revisit that as a nation, truly, And you know, in
Speaker 1: part one of the things that I have been watching
Speaker 1: over time is this escalation of fear.
Speaker 2: You know, it used to be men proved themselves as
Speaker 2: men and men.
Speaker 1: With you know, their fists right, which was you know,
Speaker 1: problematic enough for me throughout grade school. But we keep
Speaker 1: needing weapons a family and you know what an eye
Speaker 1: for an eye makes the whole world blind. That keeps
Speaker 1: resonating in my head.
Speaker 2: I remember that it was like an unofficial movement in
Speaker 2: black pop culture because this was at the height we're
Speaker 2: talking about like the nineties, because this was at the
Speaker 2: height of quote unquote gangster rap, and so you know,
Speaker 2: gun culture was glorified as you know, a display of
Speaker 2: how strong and how hard and how bad you are.
Speaker 2: And so there was like this counter movement of people saying,
Speaker 2: you know, that's not brave. A brave person handles if
Speaker 2: you're gonna have, if you're gonna take it to that level,
Speaker 2: then use your fists because you know you might take
Speaker 2: an ass woman, but you live to fight another bag.
Speaker 1: Well, and here's I don't know, maybe that wasn't aside,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean this idea, you know, like, let's
Speaker 1: because the level of fear, right, the level of bad
Speaker 1: judgment right, seems to go up exponentially as we hide
Speaker 1: behind a gun, like the cop story we talked about earlier,
Speaker 1: you know, like that there they are, they have, you know,
Speaker 1: weapons to their teeth. They've got all the ammunition and
Speaker 1: the guns and the shields and the tasers in there,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're still so fearful for their safety,
Speaker 1: which is occasionally true, but on too many stories it's like, really,
Speaker 1: what were you afraid of? Exactly?
Speaker 2: He was black and so close, thank you.
Speaker 1: And you know, we owned a bar in a neighborhood
Speaker 1: that did have some drugs and violence and you know,
Speaker 1: nonsense going on around us. And I had friends who
Speaker 1: told me I was absolutely insane for not keeping a
Speaker 1: gun in the bar, And I said, I actually want
Speaker 1: to live, and I want my employees to live. And
Speaker 1: if you're going to keep a weapon, now let me
Speaker 1: let me let me clarify. If you were going to
Speaker 1: draw a weapon, only do so if you really are
Speaker 1: fully prepared to use it. Because if you think you're
Speaker 1: going to pull a gun to scare someone and they
Speaker 1: have a weapon, the likelihood that somebody's gonna die is
Speaker 1: pretty high.
Speaker 2: So you know, if you.
Speaker 1: Don't have the wherewithal two and the life of another
Speaker 1: human being, don't pull a gun. Because pulling a gun
Speaker 1: has never de escalated a situation, not one, not that
Speaker 1: I'm aware of, not one, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And certainly not here in the real world. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe it does in the movies, but here in the
Speaker 1: real world, you know, pulling that weapon escalates, it builds it,
Speaker 1: it makes it deadly. Err And so that was the
Speaker 1: you know, I knew, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because I think about like the confrontations that I had
Speaker 2: when I was behind that bar, and if my words
Speaker 2: didn't cut it in a few instances where like it
Speaker 2: got to that level, I'll pull that bad out and
Speaker 2: that was it.
Speaker 1: I mean, right, but that's not a gun, right, that's
Speaker 1: my point, right, And we had panic buttons, and we
Speaker 1: had cameras, and we had you know, like there are
Speaker 1: things that are deterrents. There are things, you know, and
Speaker 1: I my point is we never had significant problems and
Speaker 1: we didn't have gun We did not. It's just, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a I don't think we're more safe having got
Speaker 1: you know, especially the kids around. And then you know,
Speaker 1: if the thing is locked up properly in a safe
Speaker 1: and the weapons are all in, the bullets are either
Speaker 1: elsewhere locked up or locked up with it by the
Speaker 1: time you get done, you know what I mean, entering
Speaker 1: to save this alleged person breaking in is going to
Speaker 1: be in control, all right while you fumble and and
Speaker 1: but the we don't look at the likelihood of those
Speaker 1: things happening. I mean, we hear about them because it's
Speaker 1: much more rare now. And again the stories where the
Speaker 1: villain was shot and the victim when unscathed are pretty
Speaker 1: rare as well.
Speaker 2: Right. And let's not even get into like how fucking
Speaker 2: easy it is to get a.
Speaker 1: Gun, right, you know, less so in our state, thank you.
Speaker 1: But I'm not just people will go to great lengths
Speaker 1: and these are not This is an article about responsible
Speaker 1: gun ownership, learning how to properly handle the weapon, et cetera. Right,
Speaker 1: and still I don't know. It still doesn't sit well
Speaker 1: with me. And you know, maybe it's because I'm such
Speaker 1: a pathifist. I don't know. But we've just gotten so
Speaker 1: afraid of each other. And I can't help but feel
Speaker 1: that that drives these kinds of politics, allows them to
Speaker 1: take hold. Again, we should be smarter than this in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: They're playing into their hands.
Speaker 1: Right, all the people that you know, certain people are
Speaker 1: afraid of, they really should be, I guess, because this
Speaker 1: is going to escalate and keep going, you know. And
Speaker 1: I don't blame I can't, especially people who have already
Speaker 1: been a victim of violence or know someone who has
Speaker 1: been based on their identity.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: Just this does not sit well in my spirit.
Speaker 2: I would much rather read about queer people learning self defense.
Speaker 2: So what I you know that? I mean, even if
Speaker 2: it comes down to like something like krav Maga, Hey,
Speaker 2: like the idea of a young trans woman walking around
Speaker 2: with that knowledge in her head, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1: I'm better with that, you know, I'm better with that.
Speaker 1: But and again, because so often it doesn't end well, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to be less safe because we
Speaker 1: had a weapon in the bar. I didn't want, you know.
Speaker 1: And and when people are afraid, they their judgment is
Speaker 1: no its best right, you know.
Speaker 6: And and when you I mean, I know, for me,
Speaker 6: if I'm in a situation where I feel in any
Speaker 6: way concerned for my safety, my mind immediately goes to, Okay,
Speaker 6: what is available to me at this moment.
Speaker 2: If a gun is not an option, you get creative
Speaker 2: and no one dies, right, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Right? I mean, how many stories have there been about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the neighbor on drugs or drunk walks into
Speaker 1: the wrong house and winds up dead.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know. I have a hard time
Speaker 1: with the idea that meeting violence with violence is ever
Speaker 1: the answer. I have a hard time, you know, with
Speaker 1: this constant escalation, and you know, from an otherwise peaceable people,
Speaker 1: because you know, the other thing is when we start
Speaker 1: to use the same tactics they use, I'm afraid the
Speaker 1: consequences for us are going to be much more dire.
Speaker 2: Black Panthers, That's exactly.
Speaker 1: What I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 1: When they say, you know, good guy with the gun.
Speaker 1: They don't mean us, right, and I I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times, how many times? You know,
Speaker 1: I have a client who's got a record right now
Speaker 1: because he defended himself because he was jumped, sweetest, sweetest.
Speaker 2: You know, defended himself with a gun, queer.
Speaker 1: Human, no knife, but but yeah, land of charge, just
Speaker 1: like everyone else. And it was eleven to one. And
Speaker 1: it's hideous to me that that happened, but it happened, right,
Speaker 1: you know, he's got a few strikes against him.
Speaker 2: Black, queer, poor.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmmm, aka disposable, right, and having a
Speaker 1: hard time now with some things in life because of
Speaker 1: those tray and I look at situations like that, I'm like, shit,
Speaker 1: this is what like, you know, we they don't let
Speaker 1: us play by their rules, Sarah. That's why we can't
Speaker 1: usually play by theirs and expect to have the same.
Speaker 1: How do I say this benefit of a doubt? How
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: Right? Right?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm waiting for the story of the first
Speaker 1: trans woman who you know, shoots and kills somebody's white
Speaker 1: Christian son and what happens.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, murderer.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to hear about. I don't
Speaker 1: think we're gonna hear justified in that case. That's that
Speaker 1: scares me more than I'm afraid of like random people
Speaker 1: walking around.
Speaker 2: And with guns or whatever.
Speaker 1: No, that's real, is what you know is looking down
Speaker 1: the road, looking down the road, I mean, you know
Speaker 1: how many and this is all minority in this country
Speaker 1: right now. This is if you look like you might
Speaker 1: be an immigrant. This is if you know you've got
Speaker 1: any degree of melanin in your skin. And this is
Speaker 1: certainly for gender and otherwise minority that the rules are different.
Speaker 1: And that's the problem, you know, And what is being
Speaker 1: ramped up in this country right now is not a
Speaker 1: nod toward justice for all. It's quite the opposite. And
Speaker 1: when we make decisions based in fear, they're almost never
Speaker 1: good decisions, just saying, not when public policy is concerned.
Speaker 5: Not.
Speaker 1: You know, all this nonsense we know is just you know,
Speaker 1: this stirring up, trying to stir up some fear of
Speaker 1: trans people, like of all the people to be afraid
Speaker 1: of her crying out loud, right, But you know, nuggets
Speaker 1: of nuggets of this and that take hold then and
Speaker 1: make our lives exponentially harder, you know, but it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to imagine. And again, this is personal. All this is,
Speaker 1: you know, two women that we were very close to
Speaker 1: both ate their gun as a solution to a problem
Speaker 1: that could have been vexed easily, pretty easily. You know,
Speaker 1: the world was not ending, but it felt like it
Speaker 1: in the moment, and that happens. It happens, and anyone
Speaker 1: who is predisposed to depression, you know, struggles with mental illness,
Speaker 1: you know, probably shouldn't have a gun, right, you know,
Speaker 1: and then it all the big guys get guns. Like
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm sick of the argument, I really am.
Speaker 1: And you know, it was an interesting story and may
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see where it goes. Like It's
Speaker 1: not I'm not preaching here, I'm just you know, my
Speaker 1: whole life I've watched and there are you know, higher
Speaker 1: When we listen to our higher angels, we make progress.
Speaker 1: When we listen to our base fears, we tend not to,
Speaker 1: and even more guns in the hands of even more humans.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Doesn't feel like a recipe for peace, does it.
Speaker 2: I mean, of course not. And you know there's the
Speaker 2: fact that's been true for a long time. In this country,
Speaker 2: fear is big business, and we have an incoming president
Speaker 2: who values vengeance over justice.
Speaker 1: So right, right, Like I get it, but again I
Speaker 1: do wonder self defense. You know, better training is be
Speaker 1: aware of your surroundings. Better training, you know, like we
Speaker 1: used to do it, pen Like, hey, you're in the city.
Speaker 1: Now you have to be aware. There's just a who
Speaker 1: lot more people.
Speaker 2: Not to mention. You know, if you have knowledge of
Speaker 2: self defense techniques, it bolsters how you walk through the
Speaker 2: world period, and you tend to not find yourself in
Speaker 2: as many of those kind of situations.
Speaker 1: I mean, we both grew up in a house with
Speaker 1: guns on them. In the house my father had kept
Speaker 1: a shaku. Didn't have a pistol, but he kept a shakum.
Speaker 2: You know, my father had two guns.
Speaker 1: Right, well, he was a cop. That's different, right, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm just I don't know that it ever
Speaker 1: made me feel safe, the idea that there are weapons around, right,
Speaker 1: or the idea that you know, it's the only way
Speaker 1: to survive an attack of some kind. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: because again in those and things happen in such a
Speaker 1: split second, you know, and again being overpowered for the
Speaker 1: gun that you're just you know what I mean, uncertain
Speaker 1: about having in the first place and having it turned
Speaker 1: on you.
Speaker 2: Because I already have that fear about knives. I have
Speaker 2: a lot of knives, and I always like think about
Speaker 2: like the design of the knife in my hand, like
Speaker 2: how easily can this be taken from me? You know,
Speaker 2: that's things you got.
Speaker 1: To think about, right And I just, you know, I
Speaker 1: saw it, and my heart sank a little bit just
Speaker 1: because like I get it, but I got it, you know.
Speaker 1: I just when I think about, you know, peaceful resistance,
Speaker 1: I always think it makes more sense. And when I
Speaker 1: think about, you know, being unsafe, right, I don't know,
Speaker 1: this just doesn't I'm like, okay, okay, right, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I know, a lot of folks are feeling like,
Speaker 1: if you know, I can't protect myself, nobody else is
Speaker 1: going to. And I get where that is coming from.
Speaker 1: It's you know a lot of people are feeling betrayed
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. I'm not going to pretend they
Speaker 2: don't get it.
Speaker 1: American gun culture has of course drastically shifted in recent years,
Speaker 1: you know, And there was a quote in here that said,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty twenty was apparently a pivotal year because remember,
Speaker 1: we saw a lot more people buying guns because people
Speaker 1: felt uncertain and I guess, you know, it's the end
Speaker 1: of the world coming, Do I have to keep a gun?
Speaker 1: Do I have to whatever? It was a period of
Speaker 1: tremendous social unrest and social uncertainty, and a large number
Speaker 1: of people in the United States under those conditions look
Speaker 1: to firearms to re establish some sense of safety and security.
Speaker 1: Racial and gender minorities led the way in terms of
Speaker 1: new gun ownership rates in twenty twenty and afterward. It's
Speaker 1: a false sense of safe in security. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: I'd think about several times in my life where if
Speaker 2: I'd had a gun, we might not be sitting here
Speaker 2: having this conversation.
Speaker 1: Well, right, and that's part of the problem. Well, you
Speaker 1: don't have one anywhere on your person or near you
Speaker 1: when the cops show up, guess what? And that's my point, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that if they're already afraid of you and you have
Speaker 1: a weapon, right God, And that's the first thing. Are
Speaker 1: we not paying attention? That's the first thing you'll hear
Speaker 1: people ask, well, did he have a gun?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And when we say he was unarmed. You know, like, well,
Speaker 1: what if he was armed. What if he had a
Speaker 1: permit to carry it and he was armed, and he's
Speaker 1: still dead because he was armed, because the cop was
Speaker 1: afraid of the fact that someone the cop is afraid
Speaker 1: of was armed.
Speaker 2: What do we do? I mean, you know, we have
Speaker 2: evidence to the fact that it doesn't even have to
Speaker 2: be a gun for cops to think you have one, right,
Speaker 2: it could be a wallet, it could be a phone.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, there have been responsible gun safety classes happening,
Speaker 1: Thank god, I guess despite people's hopes this is out
Speaker 1: of the article about increasing their safety. Researchers have found
Speaker 1: that higher rates of gun ownership and access is correlated
Speaker 1: with higher rates of gun related homicides, suicides, accidental deaths,
Speaker 1: and injuries.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing. If you know, if you're
Speaker 1: so afraid, in a moment of fear, you pull that gun,
Speaker 1: you shoot, and you kill your own kid, you know,
Speaker 1: who's broken into your house and has another kid. There's
Speaker 1: just so many.
Speaker 2: Scenarios and you cannot unwring that.
Speaker 1: Back, right, You can't undie a person right, right, when
Speaker 1: you calm down and realize that this was you know,
Speaker 1: an excessive use of force. And you know, eighty five percent,
Speaker 1: according to the article of suicides attempted with firearms lead
Speaker 1: to death. Yeah, you know, you've got to pay attention
Speaker 1: to mental health in this situation. You've got to really
Speaker 1: think about yeah, having it, you know. And then the
Speaker 1: person who, one of the people that game man that
Speaker 1: they profile in the article, purchased an AR fifteen is their.
Speaker 2: First gun Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because their official gender identifications are non specific, which
Speaker 1: could alert authorities to the fact that they are non binary.
Speaker 1: And they feared that they may not be able to
Speaker 1: buy a gun in the future. So let's, I guess,
Speaker 1: start with an AR fifteen. I'd rather be prepared, but
Speaker 1: prepared for.
Speaker 2: What, right, And let's not even get into the whole
Speaker 2: ghost gun thing where you can three D print a gun,
Speaker 2: I know, and put it together.
Speaker 1: I mean, and don't twist it. I'm a good shot.
Speaker 1: I grew up here among hunters. Okay, so I'm not unfamiliar.
Speaker 1: I'm actually not unfamiliar with gun safety. And it's not
Speaker 1: a it's not a lack of knowledge. It's it's all
Speaker 1: the other stuff, right, it's all the other stuff that
Speaker 1: gives me pause. And as you know, a nation, as
Speaker 1: we enter into these it's like what have we wrought?
Speaker 1: You know, right, because all that fear hasn't made us
Speaker 1: actually safer.
Speaker 2: Well, I think about like what my father always said
Speaker 2: about guns. He was like, a gun is designed for
Speaker 2: one purpose and one purpose only. It is not self defense.
Speaker 2: It is not a warning, it is not stopping power.
Speaker 2: It is designed to kill, period period. Yep.
Speaker 1: That's what it's for. That's what it does. That's what
Speaker 1: it's for. And when you introduce it, know that, know
Speaker 1: that search deep because you can hypothetically think you can
Speaker 1: pull a name of gun, but if there's a moment's
Speaker 1: pause in there, now it's pointed at you. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's that, you know, an eye for an
Speaker 1: eye man, Not the way I want to live, Not
Speaker 1: a civilized society, you know what I mean? Like that's
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: It's The wild wild West was a point of history
Speaker 2: for a reason.
Speaker 1: Right right, And that was because we couldn't live peacefully
Speaker 1: with Indigenous Americans and stuff like that, you know, and
Speaker 1: the people that were going at each other.
Speaker 2: It did the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And then there's that and again fear nothing more dangerous
Speaker 1: than white people afraid chaw inconvenience.
Speaker 2: I always think about that little section in Bowling for Columbine.
Speaker 2: The little animated section was basically the history of white
Speaker 2: people in America, and everything was like and they got scared,
Speaker 2: so then then they were still scared, so then and
Speaker 2: there still scared. Yeah. And I you know, the fact
Speaker 2: that it was put so bluntly, I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: that is exactly what that is, right and all it's
Speaker 2: ever been right.
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, this is what we're spending
Speaker 1: our time on, is learning how to use weapons instead
Speaker 1: of worrying about one another's mental health, instead of you know,
Speaker 1: building community and figuring out ways that we stay in community,
Speaker 1: because really connection is what saves us. Ultimately, connection saves
Speaker 1: human being.
Speaker 2: Right, creating more situations where people feel safe, and the
Speaker 2: idea of even needing a gun doesn't even enter the equation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but of course connection to the same people, because some.
Speaker 2: Connection doesn't work out that way.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking church at this point. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I have an answer here exactly, but you know,
Speaker 1: things just keep escalating and getting worse, and we've never
Speaker 1: had more cameras everywhere, and we've never had more, you know,
Speaker 1: of everything else. I just I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a sad thing. I think that
Speaker 1: we're having this conversation that it's you know, in today's newspaper,
Speaker 1: that people are feeling that unsafe and that they think
Speaker 1: this is a road to safety. Right, it's a false
Speaker 1: sense of security. I agree, And yeah, people are gonna
Speaker 1: wind up dead. And I'm afraid it's going to be us.
Speaker 1: The queer is carrying the guns, the trans people carrying
Speaker 1: the gun. I am very much afraid of us being
Speaker 1: out there armed.
Speaker 2: Especially if it's made public that enough of us are
Speaker 2: carrying guns, right right, I just you know, because don't
Speaker 2: think that the man won't start a fight for no
Speaker 2: reason other than you know, and.
Speaker 1: They're over there, right Just because you white and queer
Speaker 1: or wait in trance doesn't exactly you were completely exempt.
Speaker 1: But you need to pay a little bit of attention
Speaker 1: to what has happened traditionally to minority communities who warm themselves.
Speaker 1: You just got to kind of pay attention to that.
Speaker 2: And no go, I was literally with my mouth to say, like,
Speaker 2: because let's not forget about again Greenwood, Black Wall Street.
Speaker 2: No one was no one was bothering anybody, they were
Speaker 2: minding themselves. But the fact that they were, you know,
Speaker 2: self sufficient, and you know it was that was a threat. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know, organized queers with guns, it's a threat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a threat. And if the government decides
Speaker 1: to meet you with.
Speaker 2: Force, they can afford more guns than you'll buy a lot,
Speaker 2: m by a lot.
Speaker 1: It's fucked up, well what it is, and it's just
Speaker 1: I find it disheartening.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't have a better answer other than it is
Speaker 1: a false sense of security.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, do you feel like you got it
Speaker 2: off your spirit? Though?
Speaker 1: No, not really, but probably enough to move on, I get.
Speaker 1: I don't have a solid conclusion other than think four times,
Speaker 1: you know, is this really gonna make me safer? Beyond
Speaker 1: just that false sense of security? Am I really prepared
Speaker 1: to use a weapon? Am I willing to and ready
Speaker 1: to take the life of another human being? And just
Speaker 1: all that, just all of it belongs in the thought process.
Speaker 1: And again, when minorities start to arm themselves, doesn't always
Speaker 1: go well for the minorities word, and we should just
Speaker 1: be aware of that exactly. Yeah, I guess that's what
Speaker 1: I got. Oh, t BTQ plus parents are rushing to
Speaker 1: safeguard their parental rights because Trump is going to be
Speaker 1: president again. Twenty twenty five has some ominous provisions about
Speaker 1: queer parenthood, but there are processes in place to protect oneself.
Speaker 2: Named.
Speaker 1: Meghan Alexander told The Advocate she usually receives about three
Speaker 1: calls a week from queer parents seeking second parent adoptions.
Speaker 1: The week Trump won, she filed a twenty six call.
Speaker 1: Since then, they've kept coming. Project twenty twenty five believe
Speaker 1: to be the blueprint for the Trump administration, essentially calls
Speaker 1: to eliminate our rights yep and states quote, only heterosexual
Speaker 1: two parent families are safe for children, even though we
Speaker 1: know that's not true.
Speaker 2: That's documented proof of that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yes, the advice is the same as it's been for
Speaker 1: the last couple of decades, which is to do a
Speaker 1: second parent adoption. Alexander explained. It do not depend on
Speaker 1: the federal government or the gay right to marry to
Speaker 1: give you parental rights.
Speaker 2: Because I'm sorry, only heterosexual two parent families are safe
Speaker 2: for children. How many heterosexual two parent families have kicked
Speaker 2: their kids out?
Speaker 1: We're molested them, has sucked them up for life. Uh huh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I got you know, I didn't want to have you
Speaker 2: in my life as quote unquote ruins, I'm going to
Speaker 2: take it out on you for the rest of your life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's people that have to move around the
Speaker 1: country to be safe and it's excruciating. But even second
Speaker 1: parent adoptions are not bulletproof in some states. A twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three report from a coalition of queer advocacy groups
Speaker 1: explains that second parent adoption can be used to establish
Speaker 1: a legal relationship between a parent and a child, or
Speaker 1: to obtain an adoption decree for someone who is already
Speaker 1: a legal parent through another pathway to present to parentage,
Speaker 1: such as the marital presumption. That presumption, however, can be
Speaker 1: challenged in some states. As such, even couples who are
Speaker 1: married cannot rely on it and may need to consider
Speaker 1: taking further steps to protect themselves. This is actually protecting yourself,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, right, See, the best way
Speaker 1: for queer parents to protect their family is to ensure
Speaker 1: that the parent child relationship is secure in all states
Speaker 1: by obtaining a coret order of parentage or adoption. This
Speaker 1: is true even if queer parents are married and on
Speaker 1: their child's birth certificate.
Speaker 2: Damn, so many extra fucking steps.
Speaker 1: For married couples. Being on your child's birth certificate reflects
Speaker 1: the legal presumption that any child born into marriage is
Speaker 1: the child of both parents. Still, there is a difference
Speaker 1: between a legal presumption and a legal judgment establishing parentage.
Speaker 1: Each state must respect valid legal judgments of other states.
Speaker 1: This is true for both parentage orders and adoption decrees,
Speaker 1: and it is what sets them apart from parentage that
Speaker 1: arises out of state law or doctrine. It is what
Speaker 1: makes them stronger. Parentage orders are not as effective as
Speaker 1: second parent adoptions, at least in Texas where Alexander practices,
Speaker 1: because these orders have not been challenged extensively in court. Adoptions,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, have been repeatedly upheld. Adoptions are
Speaker 1: just more universally recognized. It's worth considering. These are the
Speaker 1: considerations that I think are important. These are the things
Speaker 1: to think about, right right, Because wouldn't it suck to
Speaker 1: go through all that so that you have all your
Speaker 1: rights secured and then you have a gun in the
Speaker 1: house and you know your kid finds it, just saying right, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's be smarter than them. Is I guess where I'm
Speaker 1: going with this. So you know, mentioning Florida, there are
Speaker 1: transcendmates currently being forced to cut their hair short and
Speaker 1: undergo breast exams. One ACL lawyer compared Florida's new prison
Speaker 1: policy to conversion therapy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I saw this and I was like, fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The AICALU of Florida is of course suing in
Speaker 1: the state's Department of Corrections because their new anti trans
Speaker 1: policy will restrict transprisoners' access to gender affirming medical care
Speaker 1: as well as their ability to express their gender identity. Yep,
Speaker 1: oh god, it is a non constitutional ban on gender
Speaker 1: firming care. Of course, obviously we're waiting for the ruling.
Speaker 1: Under the new policy, Florida prisons will only provide inmates
Speaker 1: diagnosed with gender dysphoria with therapy. Trans inmates will not
Speaker 1: have access to gender affirming hormone therapy except in rare
Speaker 1: instances when it is deemed necessary to comply with the
Speaker 1: US Constitution or a court decision. M wow, here's what
Speaker 1: the policy says, motherfuckers. Unaddressed psychiatric issues and unaddressed childhood
Speaker 1: trauma could lead to a misdiagnosis of gender dysphoria FAKIA.
Speaker 1: Gender affirming hormone therapy may be requested by persons experiencing
Speaker 1: short term delusions or beliefs, which may later be changed
Speaker 1: and reversed. Uh, that's how this works, only in your minds,
Speaker 1: not how this works. No, it's really not. Goddamn it,
Speaker 1: it's so not. I'm not saying never, but dear God,
Speaker 1: dear God. That's like saying your wife may regret those
Speaker 1: silicon titties.
Speaker 2: She might.
Speaker 1: She's got a much higher likelihood of regretting that than
Speaker 1: we do of you know, gender affirming medicine. But that's
Speaker 1: just you know facts, and what do we need those for,
Speaker 1: right Pushall incarcerated trans women were told that trans inmates
Speaker 1: would be reevaluated to determine whether they would still be
Speaker 1: allowed access to their healthcare and other accommodations they were
Speaker 1: already receiving. Yeah, they were not told how prison officials
Speaker 1: would determine whether they would still be allowed access to care.
Speaker 1: So far, no inmates reported being taken off hormone therapy.
Speaker 1: More than a dozen incarcerated trans women told the newspaper
Speaker 1: they have already been forced to cut their hair short,
Speaker 1: the reporting being subjected to breast examinations to determine whether
Speaker 1: or not they would still be allowed access to bras.
Speaker 2: Wow, yep, the prison system is already designed for dehumanization.
Speaker 2: But god damn.
Speaker 1: Many of them are already incarcerated in men's prisons. M
Speaker 1: a trans woman they spoke to, that her gender dysphoria
Speaker 1: diagnosis was now considered a serious psychiatric illness. She was
Speaker 1: told she would have to removed to a more restrictive
Speaker 1: facility with fewer work and programming opportunities if she wants
Speaker 1: to continue receiving treatment, They're told the Marshall Project. After
Speaker 1: spending ten days in solitary for refusing to cut her hair,
Speaker 1: a prison barber buzzed her hair short while she was handcuffed.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're taking away my identity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and your humanity and yep, your fucking ugh.
Speaker 1: Previous court decisions have held that prisons in the US
Speaker 1: are required under the Constitution to provide gender affirming care
Speaker 1: as needed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Psychiatrist Dan Krossik University of California, San Francisco, who
Speaker 1: helped develop international standards to the treatment of transgender people,
Speaker 1: told the Marshall Project that Florida's knew anti trans prison
Speaker 1: policies were a fig leaf on the state's efforts to
Speaker 1: ban gender affirming care. Yeah, that's putting it nicely.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Yeah, this is the stuff Nellie Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: was fighting. Yeah, if you recall directly, Yeah, that interview,
Speaker 1: go back and listen. Well, you know, Timmy Baldwin, by
Speaker 1: the way, and twenty other senators did try to strike
Speaker 1: the anti transprovision from the Defense bill with no luck.
Speaker 1: And yeah, eighty one Democrats signed on.
Speaker 2: And stuck them exactly in the ear.
Speaker 1: The Pulse night Club is going to be torn down,
Speaker 1: which many have said is really the only way to
Speaker 1: deal with right that. The Pulse Memorial Advisory Committee took
Speaker 1: a pivotal step toward honoring the legacy of forty nine
Speaker 1: lives lost and the resilience of survivals in the wake
Speaker 1: of the Pulse night Club tragedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the whole thing is going to be turned
Speaker 2: into a.
Speaker 1: Memorial now, right So, designers, members of the community, leaders, survivors,
Speaker 1: and families of the victims met at City Hall to
Speaker 1: review to refine proposals for a commemorative piece that will
Speaker 1: stand as a begon of love, unity, and hope. Quote.
Speaker 1: For those who think this is closure, that this ends
Speaker 1: grief and ends the pain, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: What it does do, however, is kind of put a
Speaker 1: dot at the end of the sentence that's been open
Speaker 1: for a very long time, said Nancy Rosatto, Pulse Memorial
Speaker 1: Advisory Committee. It was the last chance for the committee
Speaker 1: to agree on what should stay or go.
Speaker 2: I think it's powerful. They're going to use the dance
Speaker 2: floor and like as part of the design of whatever
Speaker 2: ends up being there, and that's a powerful symbol. You know.
Speaker 1: There there were points in the story where there was
Speaker 1: not a lot of agreements, so you know, I guess
Speaker 1: coming to terms is actually I get them, yeah, and
Speaker 1: hopefully we can move on. But you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and they could make people walk through. I kind of
Speaker 1: want Florida politicians stuff to it's been the night there,
Speaker 1: hm hm. Anyway, Yeah, some idiot who refused to use
Speaker 1: a trans student's pronouns is getting a payday from their
Speaker 1: school district. That's just some more bullshit exactly. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: the teacher says mistrans could suffer from underlying trauma and
Speaker 1: mental illness.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is why trauma caused by people like Wow.
Speaker 1: They paid a settlement of four hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars because the teacher said she was forced to residey
Speaker 1: after refusing to druss students by their trans names at
Speaker 1: personal proteos. Vivian Garrity was an English teacher that's rich
Speaker 1: for two years in a middle school. Two years.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: Garrity, a Christian, reportedly neither faced any kind of complaint
Speaker 1: or disciplinary action about her work, nor communicated openly about
Speaker 1: her religious beliefs while at school.
Speaker 2: Why don't I believe that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, while she was doing That's exactly what she was
Speaker 1: fucking doing.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Star County School District has a policy requiring teachers
Speaker 1: to participate in the social transition of gender nonconforming students
Speaker 1: by using names in pronouns consistent with each student's gender identity.
Speaker 1: Here's the part where she talked to Vanner religion, but
Speaker 1: her faith believes that God only creates two districted sexes. Well,
Speaker 1: her faith is ridiculous and limited, has no actual factual
Speaker 1: biological basis. But okay, male are female, and that rejection
Speaker 1: of one's biological sex is a rejection of the image
Speaker 1: of God within that person. God is strands honey, right, Sorry,
Speaker 1: if we're all made in the image of God, God
Speaker 1: is both male and female. Huh think about it. Oh no,
Speaker 1: that hurts right exactly. She couldn't use names and pronouns
Speaker 1: that contradict the legal names in gender assigned to people
Speaker 1: at their birth that would affirm concepts she saw untrue
Speaker 1: and violate biblical commands. All right, you're in a public school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she's an English teacher. So what happens when
Speaker 2: we get to the class where we actually talk about pronouns?
Speaker 2: What do you just not do it?
Speaker 1: Fuck?
Speaker 2: Nugget?
Speaker 1: So she claimed to religion. That's why she can't follow
Speaker 1: district policy. They told her she could not set her
Speaker 1: religious convictions aside. She should resign. Yeah, agreed, right, But
Speaker 1: I don't know why she got a pay day for this.
Speaker 1: Violated her First Amendment rights to freedom of religion.
Speaker 2: Really, what about the.
Speaker 1: Kids' rights to freedom from her religion?
Speaker 2: That because isn't freedom from religion part of religious freedom?
Speaker 1: In her lawyers? Of course? Uh, let's say the anti
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus Christian nationalists legal advocacy group Alliance Defending Freedom.
Speaker 1: There's the bitches again said trans identities are quote a
Speaker 1: matter of national and local public debate and concern because
Speaker 1: you made it so there's no sane person debating us.
Speaker 1: You idiots are creating the situation.
Speaker 2: The walk, Yeah, and then blaming nobody for it.
Speaker 1: Nobody should be forced to facilitate another person's transitioning when
Speaker 1: they themselves disagree with that.
Speaker 2: Fuck you and your disagreement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course they quote the cast for you
Speaker 1: such bullshit, Oh my god, mm hmmm, which they point
Speaker 1: to his proof of something, which of course it isn't. Wow.
Speaker 1: Well mm hmm. She's found it difficult to apply for
Speaker 1: employment in other public school good because she has no
Speaker 1: recommendation from her district's superintendent. Of course she doesn't.
Speaker 2: Good. Yeah, not even the first time I know this
Speaker 2: shit has happened.
Speaker 1: Well, if that's not nonsense, I don't know what is word? Yeah,
Speaker 1: four and fifty thousand dollars. Well, actually the headline said
Speaker 1: forty five thousand, but then the article said four un and.
Speaker 2: Fifty Either one is way too much money.
Speaker 1: There's way too much money for this ignorant bitch who
Speaker 1: did this for a payday, who aligned with these people
Speaker 1: for this agenda.
Speaker 2: What's you going to spend it? An? I am believing
Speaker 2: that twelve foot cris and gasoline.
Speaker 1: What do you have to say to intersex people? They
Speaker 1: don't actually exist? Huh, what do you have to say
Speaker 1: to them? And how dare you again and tell human
Speaker 1: beings you know them better than themselves and act as
Speaker 1: if you know we all have all this trauma. No,
Speaker 1: we don't. The trauma comes from people like this, ah,
Speaker 1: not inherently from being trans or queer or non binary
Speaker 1: or anywhere on our beautiful spectrum. Right, That's not where
Speaker 1: the bullshit comes from, folks, comes from a shit like this.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should all have guns. You don't mean that,
Speaker 1: I don't, but I gotta say I think we should
Speaker 1: take a break. Yeah, and then come back and cleintense
Speaker 1: palates because this is just you know, I just dug
Speaker 1: myself deeper into a hole. Yeah, let's climb out of it.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
Speaker 2: Oh, no one has ever asked me that question.
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Speaker 1: And we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: So what have we been watching? Let's talk about what
Speaker 1: we've been watching.
Speaker 2: We actually had some time on our hands to watch
Speaker 2: something a little bit well. The first thing on the
Speaker 2: list I actually watched while I was at work because
Speaker 2: it was short. So on Christmas Day there was some
Speaker 2: football thing on Netflix and I heard that for the
Speaker 2: halftime performance, Beyonce gave a thirteen minute performance of songs
Speaker 2: off of the Cowboy Carter album. I am a huge
Speaker 2: fan and first of all, Like, what's really blowing my
Speaker 2: mind these days is like it's this near pathological need
Speaker 2: of people to just immediately like start hating on Beyonce
Speaker 2: whenever her name is mentioned. Like the second it was
Speaker 2: announced that she was going to be performing at the halftime, well,
Speaker 2: I guess I know what. I'm not gonna be watching.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm going to cancel my Netflix's good. Oh I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna be watching that game. Like, Wow, this woman
Speaker 2: who you've never met, who is never gonna meet you,
Speaker 2: and you have so much, real, raw, big feelings about it. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So after the like a week or so after the
Speaker 2: game aired, they released the halftime performance as its own thing.
Speaker 2: So I sat and I watched it because I wanted
Speaker 2: to like check it out, and you know, we were busy,
Speaker 2: so I missed it when it happened, not that we'd
Speaker 2: be watching a football game anyway. First of all, it
Speaker 2: was a great performance, as I knew it would be,
Speaker 2: because you know, Beyonce don't play. And the whole time
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there watching, I was like, damn, they had
Speaker 2: to really nitpick to find things to hate, but you
Speaker 2: know they did because like apparently like at the end
Speaker 2: she's up in the air on this platform and she
Speaker 2: like does like this finger gun thing, which is like
Speaker 2: because she's talking about like, you know, the words bang
Speaker 2: bang keep coming up and you know, and there was
Speaker 2: this controversy well because apparently that's.
Speaker 1: Gesture of her finger guns exactly.
Speaker 2: But apparently there's this policy uh that players, I think
Speaker 2: the players from whatever team is Texas whatever, they were
Speaker 2: doing that and then they got penalized because that's considered
Speaker 2: bad for whatever reason. So how come Beyonce can do
Speaker 2: it and they can't? Thank you? That's that's the answer
Speaker 2: to the goddamn question.
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe maybe she didn't agree to those us.
Speaker 2: Right, and like, but what I will say about the performance,
Speaker 2: like the album was an exploration of, you know, the
Speaker 2: roots of country, the black roots of country, and it
Speaker 2: was like basically neo Americana alb and she chose to
Speaker 2: spotlight all these up and coming black country artists as
Speaker 2: well as country artists from like previous generations who never
Speaker 2: got their just due. And she was spotlight these people
Speaker 2: in this performance, Like there were moments was like it
Speaker 2: was Beyonce and three other or at least two other
Speaker 2: young black woman country singers singing together at the same time,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, life goals, y'all. You know, it was
Speaker 2: just a great performance. And I just don't understand how
Speaker 2: people can have such big feelings. You know. It's like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I know why because she's rich and black
Speaker 2: and successful and doesn't give a fuck about their feelings.
Speaker 2: It all happened when Bruno Mars was the halftime performance
Speaker 2: at the super Bowl and it was Bruno Mars and
Speaker 2: cold Play and Beyonce popped up and performed Formation, and
Speaker 2: then that was when white people realized that Beyonce is
Speaker 2: black and knows it. Ever since then, just I can't
Speaker 2: stand Beyonce. She's overrated, she ain't this, she ain't that.
Speaker 1: And it's like, who is saying this broke.
Speaker 2: People who have no goals? I mean, is my okay?
Speaker 2: I just wanted and it's it's just like this common
Speaker 2: thing on uh on on social media. It's people hating
Speaker 2: on Beyonce, and it's like, I don't know, like I
Speaker 2: hate the fact that I'm sitting here like defending someone
Speaker 2: who doesn't know I exist and I'm not getting the
Speaker 2: cut of her check. But you know, it's just like
Speaker 2: this is just pathological behavior. It drives me crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we've been swimming in pathological behavior since I
Speaker 1: don't know, late October.
Speaker 2: True. So all that to say, I watched it. It
Speaker 2: was good. I enjoyed it. Watch it again. Well good,
Speaker 2: we finally got to uh sit down and watch the
Speaker 2: six trip late.
Speaker 1: Loved it.
Speaker 2: Yeah about the all black woman uh squadron battalion troop.
Speaker 2: But if you call it unit in the army.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the army in World War Two who actually
Speaker 1: made the mail work again? Right? They Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: charged with, you know, distributing millions of pieces of.
Speaker 2: Male and the string the morale of the troops, and.
Speaker 1: They took it very seriously and creatively and did an
Speaker 1: amazing job inside of what was it nine months?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, great movie. It was the first Tyler Perry
Speaker 2: movie that like I thoroughly enjoyed from beginning to end
Speaker 2: and didn't have any harsh criticisms.
Speaker 1: For Carrie Washington was brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a different role for her.
Speaker 1: Having the Obsidian was brilliant. Blackest name ever true, like
Speaker 1: Onyx is her middle name. God damn, I'm kidding, but
Speaker 1: right now then she would be e oh oh but no.
Speaker 2: It was great and that it's historic. It was a
Speaker 2: Tyler Perry film where the women weren't victims. I know, right,
Speaker 2: nobody got cheated on, nobody got a's.
Speaker 1: Maybe he consulted with an actual woman.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. He actually like, consulted with the
Speaker 2: real people. And so there was no room for him
Speaker 2: to take his usual artistic license. And because it's Tyler
Speaker 2: Perry and he was spending Tyler Perry money, it's good.
Speaker 2: It was given the scope that the story deserves.
Speaker 1: It's a really good movie. It's worth watching. It's on
Speaker 1: Netflix right now.
Speaker 2: I agree. And then after we watched that, we were
Speaker 2: on our I Love Black Women kick Well. The next
Speaker 2: thing we put on was the movie about Whitney Houston,
Speaker 2: where Deborah Cox played Whitney Houston. I wanted you to
Speaker 2: see that because you were unfamiliar with Deborah Cox, and
Speaker 2: I had said when I heard that Deborah Cox is
Speaker 2: going to be playing Whitney Houston, I immediately was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: she got this because Deborah Cox has that voice. She
Speaker 2: has one of the best voices of our generation. We
Speaker 2: didn't watch much of the film. We did not because
Speaker 2: you know, while Deborah Cox, she has the power of
Speaker 2: the vocals, and she got like the physicality and the
Speaker 2: flavor of Whitney Houston. The writers tried to act like.
Speaker 1: I mean the Bobby Brown fan club that birth this movie.
Speaker 2: Right that you know, she didn't have a girlfriend. She
Speaker 2: had a best friend.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm yeah, Robin, Yeah that was that.
Speaker 2: Was not her friend, that was her friend.
Speaker 1: No, my understanding, right, But you know.
Speaker 2: And once we realized that that's what we were doing,
Speaker 2: we were like, yeah, if we're going to watch the
Speaker 2: Whitney movie, let's watch the one where they actually agmit
Speaker 2: that Whitney was queer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be nice. So yeah, yeah, this one was
Speaker 1: you know, kudos to Deborah Cox.
Speaker 2: She did that.
Speaker 1: I mean she did, but it was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like she ain't right it. No, we didn't watch the
Speaker 1: whole thing, right. And then because I'm just yeah, really
Speaker 1: terse lately about quick representation film, I'm down with that.
Speaker 2: And then because we went from black women to musical
Speaker 2: black women, Amazon Prime was like, oh, you like black people,
Speaker 2: you like music, you like black music. Here here's the
Speaker 2: Temptations mini series from nineteen ninety six that I personally
Speaker 2: never saw, even though you know, it was part of
Speaker 2: like it's a cornerstone of black culture, and like I
Speaker 2: know all the references, but I never actually saw it
Speaker 2: when it aired, right, like you know, I was, I said,
Speaker 2: right along with the actor, even though I hadn't seen
Speaker 2: it before. Ain't nobody come to see you? Otis you did?
Speaker 2: You said that, Yes, I knew it was come you did,
Speaker 2: And that was really well done.
Speaker 1: It was entertainment. You know, I love The Temptatione.
Speaker 2: Thirty years late, but I finally saw the.
Speaker 1: Temptation loved the Temptatione.
Speaker 2: And we got to see the new comedy special from
Speaker 2: Michelle Buteau. It's a Butteau full life. Yes, she's so
Speaker 2: goddamn funny.
Speaker 1: She is funny. I love that she you know, went
Speaker 1: after Dave Chappelle. Yeah, and stayed funny while she did it,
Speaker 1: but very much on point, very much, you know, mocked
Speaker 1: him and his obsession with punching down and attacking our community,
Speaker 1: and she said it's unsafe, which it is right, it
Speaker 1: is dangerous.
Speaker 2: And the overall point of her of her bringing him
Speaker 2: up was talking about how it is possible to talk
Speaker 2: about a community and make it funny and not hateful.
Speaker 2: And she was like, see how that's possible. Can somebody
Speaker 2: go tell Dave Chappelle that? And she said, you know,
Speaker 2: he's the goat, assuming that goat means going on about
Speaker 2: trans people.
Speaker 1: It can be right, going on about trans people. It
Speaker 1: can be done. We can tell jokes and stories and
Speaker 1: not disparage a whole community. We can do that. We
Speaker 1: can make it funny. We just have to work at
Speaker 1: it right. So, if you guys ever run into Dave Chappelle,
Speaker 1: can you let him know that shit? I don't think
Speaker 1: he knows that shit. I don't think we'll ever run
Speaker 1: into Dave though, because he is the goat. Uh, And
Speaker 1: he's the goat if that means going off about trans.
Speaker 2: People, going off about transit.
Speaker 1: She later remarked on his jokes not being funny but
Speaker 1: actually being dangerous. Make it funny, that's all. I can't
Speaker 1: believe somebody would make millions and millions of dollars from
Speaker 1: making people feel unsafe.
Speaker 2: That is so wild to me. Mm hmm. And what's
Speaker 2: especially cool about that special and that performance, Well, first
Speaker 2: of all, she's made history, her history as being the
Speaker 2: first woman comedian to have her own solo special at
Speaker 2: Radio City Music Hall, which I didn't realize. And it's
Speaker 2: interesting that she made this commentary about Dave Chappelle and
Speaker 2: the danger of him using his platform to spread such
Speaker 2: dangerous rhetoric on the platform that gave him that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I'm like, go off this, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: She probably wrote a few jokes coming at Netflix, but
Speaker 2: did not save them for obvious reasons. So, yeah, we're
Speaker 2: fans of.
Speaker 1: I remember traceless that saying of Dave Chappelle. So at
Speaker 1: this point, it's giving client. I don't know what doll
Speaker 1: hurt Dave Chappelle, I really don't, but it's giving disgruntled client.
Speaker 2: It's giving anger trick, angry trick.
Speaker 1: It's giving He wanted to kiss on the mouth and
Speaker 1: she was like, no, I don't do that. I up
Speaker 1: charge for that. If you want to do that, you
Speaker 1: got to give me x y Z And he's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, ma'am. And his ego was bruised time, so
Speaker 1: he went on a rampage. It's giving angry trick?
Speaker 2: Am I lying? Dolls? Am I lying? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Who goes on to make three specials, The Ray Comedy
Speaker 1: Specials about the dolls because you can't take get him
Speaker 1: some help I loved that.
Speaker 2: I did not lost her for that because I gave
Speaker 2: her a shout out for that and she liked.
Speaker 1: It good because it's insane. Yeah, it is insane. The
Speaker 1: obsession is insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's not funny, pathological, it's really not funny, especially
Speaker 1: at this point in history. And you know, I loved
Speaker 1: what Michelle did, no notes. I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: she is funny. She's a funny bitch, she is, and
Speaker 1: good say it, keep saying it. Yep. Comedy doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be that. I mean, how many comedians we know
Speaker 1: comedians who have said similar Like, if you're saying you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to say anything anymore, maybe examine what it
Speaker 1: is you're trying to say. Right, maybe you never had
Speaker 1: anything good to say in the first place. Right, But
Speaker 1: if you can't be funny without punching down, perhaps you
Speaker 1: were never funny that.
Speaker 2: Par Maybe you were just lazy. And you know, we
Speaker 2: live in a culture that rewards mediocrity. Everything about that.
Speaker 2: Of course you didn't because you're mediocre and you failed
Speaker 2: up and you thought you won.
Speaker 1: Whatever happened to us, do no harm, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like that, just just that concept because punching
Speaker 1: down isn't funny. There's so much to punch up about,
Speaker 1: and that's just it. I mean, you know, when you
Speaker 1: look back at Dave Chappelle's work, I mean, brilliant, brilliant
Speaker 1: take on racism in America.
Speaker 2: Why stay in your lane?
Speaker 1: Not mine, right, because now you're just being hurtful and
Speaker 1: Tracey's that was right, And I've gotten.
Speaker 2: With people when they try to say that, like, you know,
Speaker 2: people didn't used to be so sensitive back in the day,
Speaker 2: and you can make these jokes and it was funny.
Speaker 2: It's like no, no, no, no, it was shitty then. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we just didn't have a comment section because like I
Speaker 2: was watching this docu series about Andrew Dice Clay and
Speaker 2: you know, people saying, oh, people thought that was funny.
Speaker 2: Back in the day, there were plenty of non white
Speaker 2: people and non straight people who were vocal about their
Speaker 2: displeasure at that brand of humor. Correct and pretty much
Speaker 2: canceled his career because of that shit. But we forget
Speaker 2: about that because you know, you have this white man
Speaker 2: on stage talking shit about Asian folks, black folks, gay people,
Speaker 2: trans people to a sea of screaming white men of course,
Speaker 2: and the white women who were trying to like gain
Speaker 2: favor from these white men. And he oh, and let's
Speaker 2: not even talk about the misogynistic shit he said, especially
Speaker 2: to the people in the audience. So you know, that
Speaker 2: shit wasn't funny. It was never funny. It was never funny.
Speaker 2: He was a novelty that got old quick.
Speaker 1: So and y'all are not the ones that have the
Speaker 1: comedians we do. We've had to be funny because we've
Speaker 1: been dealing with you all our lives.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So yeah, so that was good. And I had
Speaker 2: been I had been saying for weeks that I wanted
Speaker 2: you to start watching The Penguin.
Speaker 1: Two episodes or three. I think we watched three. We
Speaker 1: watched three. Yeah, I gotta keep going. I can't believe
Speaker 1: that is Colin Farrell. I still can't believe That's like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see him in there and I'm just
Speaker 1: not saying, so wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I've started watching it.
Speaker 1: That's hard to believe. We couldn't find an unattractive heavy man.
Speaker 1: But anyway, anyway, Wow, we had we had to make
Speaker 1: up Colin Farrell and put him in a pat suit.
Speaker 2: But okay, right, but you know, I was about six
Speaker 2: episodes in and I was like, I will start over
Speaker 2: for you. Yeah, that's how good I think it is,
Speaker 2: and how I much I think you will like it. It
Speaker 2: is good.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not like a cartoon. It's not a
Speaker 2: cartoon move, even though it's based in the Batman world, right,
Speaker 2: you know, it's really about a gangster trying to like
Speaker 2: make his way, and you know, I think it's very cool.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's giving hints of Tony Soprano in
Speaker 1: his portrayal so far.
Speaker 2: And I also enjoy how like much of the cast
Speaker 2: are folks who like came to prominence in other HBO series.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're seeing a lot of yeah, actress who
Speaker 1: were in different things and or American horror story and
Speaker 1: or not one of them. Yeah, because the dude that
Speaker 1: was in Carnival, I think, yes, because we watched we
Speaker 1: started watching it with your sister when she was visiting.
Speaker 2: Let's yes, probably watch a couple episodes tonight.
Speaker 1: Before I go to bed. Maybe that could happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we had a little time for television. Yeah, amazingly enough.
Speaker 1: Back to work tomorrow for me, tonight tonight for you?
Speaker 1: I have work. I have to get finished. Yeah today,
Speaker 1: that's true before I go to work tomorrow. Because busy girl.
Speaker 1: Yes you are.
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Speaker 2: Oh? You know what we didn't do?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Feel about it?
Speaker 2: Hey, do good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure I had much
Speaker 1: of a point. You know, as we get closer to
Speaker 1: the inauguration, just like whatever, I guess, you know, we've
Speaker 1: got to keep doing what we do. We've got to
Speaker 1: keep you know, building community and trying to make smart decisions,
Speaker 1: and I hope standing together and checking in on folks
Speaker 1: because a lot of folks are not okay right now,
Speaker 1: and this is true. Let's do our best to stand
Speaker 1: together and challenge some of this absurdity. But again, I
Speaker 1: think ahead, right if you're thinking weapons, think ahead, you know,
Speaker 1: I just it is definitely a good time for self care, yes,
Speaker 1: definitely a good time to cook comfort food, maybe get healthy,
Speaker 1: make sure you're getting plenty of sleep, drink your water.
Speaker 2: Yes, what else we got? Those are good things.
Speaker 1: Those are all good things because we just don't really
Speaker 1: know where this goes, and we don't know. Hopefully our
Speaker 1: courts hold once again, hopefully we have some checks and balances,
Speaker 1: and hopefully that hopefully they eat their own, which is
Speaker 1: something they're very good at.
Speaker 2: This is true.
Speaker 1: I just hate that we're all so good at it.
Speaker 1: So maybe we could knock some of that shit off
Speaker 1: for a while and focus, right, I'd like that.
Speaker 2: That'd be good.
Speaker 1: There's my wish for the new year. People, focus, focus, focus.
Speaker 2: I'm down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, yeah, I don't think I have anything left. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, well, well we will endeavor to do this
Speaker 1: next weekend as well.
Speaker 2: I'm down.
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