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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from the dining room table at East

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<v Speaker 1>Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle

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<v Speaker 1>the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze

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<v Speaker 1>a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. This episode is brought to you by Decanta

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<v Speaker 1>jug Wine and the find out phase of November is

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<v Speaker 1>fucking around.

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<v Speaker 2>I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the first episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Full Circle the Podcast in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Charl let's buckle in. Okay, how you doing, baby, I'm here, same,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here, We're here. We're you know, we're fabulous. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>fuck with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it is what it is. We do

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<v Speaker 1>have a new patron, we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim is our most recent Hi Jim. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>the support.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you're appreciated. Definitely. We have all kinds of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>We do some good stuff, some very good stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>the rest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, speaking of shipwrecks, it was a Gilligos Island

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<v Speaker 1>reference there. I caught it.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was in PGN, Yes you were. I was profiled.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, in that good way, in that good way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they wrote a story. It was a twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred word interview. It's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you realize how substantial.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that that was substantial because I used to

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<v Speaker 1>write three and four hundred word articles, so I was

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty five word a law, right, that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a great profile. Thank you. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to put the link to that in the notes

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<v Speaker 2>of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be sure to put that in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fun. It was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Susie Nash is the reporter. We actually the columnist actually

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<v Speaker 1>at PGN, and we met while we were touring with

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<v Speaker 1>Nico with American Teenager, So that was a lovely surprise. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fun. Oh you know what, I've got to say,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy New Year, baby, Happy it is. Indeed, somebody just

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<v Speaker 1>looked at me with such a look when I said

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<v Speaker 1>happy New Year. I went new Year, and they went.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, Yeah I hear you. But you know what, no,

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<v Speaker 2>because I have decided, okay that for this year, my

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<v Speaker 2>plan is to move forward being as intentional, like good

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<v Speaker 2>and fabulous and positive as I can be, because the

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<v Speaker 2>alternative just like being angry and sad and depressed and

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<v Speaker 2>whatever like for what.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I agree with you. You know, there's the

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<v Speaker 1>whole jack boots in the street thing that is a

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<v Speaker 1>little unsettling. But no, I get that we'll find out.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, no, I mean I think that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's been the theme of the talking I've done since

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<v Speaker 1>November is, you know, we are stronger together. We are

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<v Speaker 1>stronger when we stand in community. We are stronger when

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<v Speaker 1>we stand up for one another as part of the

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<v Speaker 1>same community. Correct, I invite the other letters to join me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am by no means suggesting that I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going to ignore what's going on, because I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's timely capitalize the TA y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because you know, none of those letters are silent.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them should be.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know we've had a long and storied history

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<v Speaker 1>of dealing with one another throughout the acronym. And you

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<v Speaker 1>come to you tomorrow. You know, let's let's us learn

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<v Speaker 1>because it's you know, it's going to be interesting. We

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<v Speaker 1>not the priority. But god damn it, you know that's

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<v Speaker 1>this seems to be. They have such a hot nut

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<v Speaker 1>for us, and it's just incredible, It's truly breathtaking, like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Record number of new pieces of anti transit.

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<v Speaker 1>And now and now they get to play with fuck

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<v Speaker 1>around on the federal level. Eighty one Democrats joined them,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, plenty of disappointment to go around right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I you know, you know, I really hope we

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<v Speaker 1>figure out at some point we're talking about human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not talking about politics. We're talking about lives, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Not theoretical people either, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Not theoretical people. You don't know more than the doctors.

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<v Speaker 1>just anyway sick of hearing it. We're still gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>here like let's just shine our light well, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm working on that. I know, I shine my

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<v Speaker 1>light of a goddamn day I know you do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Sunday, it's one. I don't feel shiny. I do

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know what I meant to tell you last

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<v Speaker 2>night when we went out, No, you look like money,

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<v Speaker 2>did I Your outfit and the hair and the jewelry

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just out to dinner with your sister.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know, thank you. My sister came to visit briefly,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we went out to dinner, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you got cute and but it was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody spent a lot of money on those clothes. It

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, you wore them. You wore the right things in

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<v Speaker 2>the right combination at the right time. You looked good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's thanks recorded for Pasterius. I tried it was your

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<v Speaker 1>brother in law, but she did. She made it all

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<v Speaker 1>she's got a hole full. Was a nice though, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice we got the chill.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was one of those days where I was

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<v Speaker 1>in the fancy clothes closet and I went, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>And it was the perfect end of the day because

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<v Speaker 2>I started the day at a funeral.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, it's hard to be sad about the funeral

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<v Speaker 1>of one hundred and four year old person. Well true,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean not truly a celebration of life, because Granny

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<v Speaker 1>was one hundred and four, right, And it was not

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<v Speaker 2>Sad time, it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a bittersweet, of course obviously, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, because she was you know, present and with us,

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<v Speaker 2>It was chicken very literally, like she was here and

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<v Speaker 2>then she wasn't, right, Yeah, And she was loved by

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<v Speaker 2>so many people. A good friend's grandmom died at one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and four, and she was loved by so many people,

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<v Speaker 2>and she loved so many people, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>had my moment where I said, no, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>She was she was lovely, and she cooked up a store.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes odd I you know, I wonder if you added

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<v Speaker 1>up how many meals that woman served, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And how many times Miss Jay and I would be

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<v Speaker 2>like somewhere in the city and when we go, we're hungry,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, Let's go see what Granny made. And

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<v Speaker 2>always something, always something. She was either getting ready to

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, always food, always food to pull out of

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<v Speaker 2>So that's how I started yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>I do love them.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we had a nice visit, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a family day all around.

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<v Speaker 1>It was today's Sunday, January fifth. It is tomorrow sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>to rinse the taste of January sixth out of my mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Miller is being sworn in. Yes, yeah, that will

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<v Speaker 1>have already happened by the time this episode gets released.

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<v Speaker 1>But Joe is the first trans woman elected to partisan

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<v Speaker 1>office in the entire state of New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And she'll be sworn in actually for the third time

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<v Speaker 1>to Woodbury's City council, very very close to here. She

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<v Speaker 1>she had to run and won in a special election

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<v Speaker 1>to finish the full that term. This is her first

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<v Speaker 1>full term, like three year term. Right that she's being

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<v Speaker 1>sworn in, and we've got a bunch of folks going because, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a moment, it's a moment, it's an important moment.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one to docum and show up in force because

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<v Speaker 1>these people that again think we are nothing but politics. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all the children's genital fetishists, Yeah, who you know, fixate

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<v Speaker 1>so much on the lives of trans people and pretend

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<v Speaker 1>they're protecting children. That is the biggest joke of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>They're protecting children and women. No you're not right, No

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<v Speaker 1>you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not. That's that you do the opposite, thank you. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>literally the definition of your words and your deeds doing

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<v Speaker 1>You aren't making anyone more safe, but you are teaching

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<v Speaker 1>your children to hate. So since that seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>the goal among the Christians, you know, whatever, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna figure it out, right mm hmm. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's being sworning I'll be there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Again. This is our first official episode of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, right, because we released one last week, which was

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<v Speaker 1>an interview we had done like the week before or something.

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<v Speaker 2>We released an interview with David Beck, who is a writer, director,

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<v Speaker 2>One of the Stars. Yeah, yeah, coming out at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of January.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, regarding us, regarding us, and it's really you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited about that film. Amazing representation and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good story it is and it's not tragedy porn. I

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<v Speaker 1>liked it. I liked it a lot. We didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>get our Christmas trip until Christmas Eve, it's last Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>Day and Christmas Day because well that's you know, we've

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<v Speaker 1>been busy doing things that felt useful.

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<v Speaker 2>Right the week that we normally would have spent decorating,

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<v Speaker 2>we were spent touring an award winning journalist and author

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<v Speaker 2>on their fabulous.

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<v Speaker 1>Book, an amazing book, and getting it out in our area.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not I'm not up upset about that. The

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<v Speaker 1>house looks lovely. It's fine, you know, the tree is up.

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<v Speaker 2>We had our lovely Uh Day brunch. Yes, that I

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<v Speaker 1>That was fun. It was fun. We had like forty

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<v Speaker 1>people come through if I counted, right, I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I did. It was fun, lots and lots

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<v Speaker 2>I drank so much champagne.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't have much. Yeah, we had champagne, but we

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<v Speaker 2>Was literally something for everyone, right, there.

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<v Speaker 1>Were some people having you know, Billini's and mimosas, which

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we had them.

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<v Speaker 1>But we also had I made sherbet punch. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>And it was lovely, even though there was sherbet in it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's slightly somewhere between a sorba and an ice cream, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So to be fair, I should try some.

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<v Speaker 1>Even taste my punch, not because I didn't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>People said it was still icious, That's what I heard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wasn't avoiding it. I just never got to

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<v Speaker 1>Try it, but I think the other half chunk of

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll try it.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, well I don't think it's any I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>There palette has expanded.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes it cold, it makes it a little bit creamy.

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<v Speaker 1>fizz and right, I mean it was simple and there

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and my love of food, my love of

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<v Speaker 2>fruity desserts has expanded considerably since I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I had lots of food.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we did the best scones I've ever had in

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<v Speaker 1>My girlfriend Jenny brought scones and clotted cream and lemon

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<v Speaker 1>curd and jam.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry you didn't say scones and clotted cream and

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<v Speaker 2>jam and lemon curd gorgeous. You have to say it

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<v Speaker 1>And they were delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we had a We had a ton of brunchy

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<v Speaker 1>food and I loosely, I Kathy and I repeatedly watched

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<v Speaker 1>The Family Stone and this Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I mean you are there sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>I love The Family Stone.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you're not there every time I watch it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not always home anyway. I made the Morton

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<v Speaker 2>My point is that's our movie, now, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I made that. And I made Socker to Me cake,

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<v Speaker 1>which features prominently in this Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I was. It was this year that I

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<v Speaker 2>learned that socket to Me cake is not this uh

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<v Speaker 2>recipe that's been passed down from generations of generations. At

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<v Speaker 2>this point, it has a black women.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. It's started in the sixties. I mean they passed

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<v Speaker 1>it down for a little while. But I because every

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<v Speaker 1>time in my life that I have encountered socket to

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<v Speaker 1>Me cake, it's been a black woman in my life

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<v Speaker 1>who had her.

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<v Speaker 2>Socket to Me cake. This time I made it. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was like one of those like recipes that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, came through like black folks throughout the years.

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<v Speaker 2>Come to front of it. It is.

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<v Speaker 1>But since you know, late nineteen sixties when I think

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<v Speaker 1>the recipe was first printed on the back of Duncan

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<v Speaker 1>Hein's cake.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's what I'm saying. It came from Duncan Hines.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't come from like.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's part of the zeitgeist, that's part of our culture.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like there were recipes, right you know. Then

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<v Speaker 1>I learned as a child that that incorporated modern conveniences, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>My grandmother's keighley and aunt Lady's keighley was the best

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever had. And it was not fucking yeast. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like cream, cheese and flour and butter, and

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<v Speaker 1>it makes the best dough in the world, simple, simple, simple, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But you know that so those things evolve, right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was just interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, look at me learning green bean

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<v Speaker 1>casserole was you know, trying to sell more Campbell's cream

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<v Speaker 1>and mushroom soup and what that did. I still love that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when I found out that that wasn't just something

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<v Speaker 2>that like came through the generations of white people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean it did, but right ever since it

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<v Speaker 1>was on the back of the cans, the French or

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<v Speaker 1>the French's onion cannas where I think that recipe might

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<v Speaker 1>have come from.

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<v Speaker 2>So the songa toomey cake is to black people what

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<v Speaker 2>the green bean castrole is to white people.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe, I mean, you know, I mean that, And

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<v Speaker 1>soccer toomy cake is basically bun cake, yes, where the

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<v Speaker 1>filling is pecans and cinnamon and brown sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's nummy.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, it's great. It's actually like a coffee cake, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is tasty.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I and I have encountered enough black women

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<v Speaker 2>in my life that when I hear soccer toomy cake

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<v Speaker 2>immediately go mmmmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>That was delicious. No, So that was fun. I made

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<v Speaker 1>those made some caisa, yeah, that candied bacon. I was

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<v Speaker 1>just normally I don't even cook meat in this house.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was like fucking the candy bacon, nothing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like whatever that I've bagged for it and got nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Well, it's not my fa I put it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say it was your fault where all the

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<v Speaker 2>other appetizers were. I turned my back for a full

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<v Speaker 2>four minutes. That was the problem. That was a pound

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<v Speaker 2>of bacon. I know I was the one because you

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<v Speaker 2>had said something about I was thinking of candied bacon.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, candy bacon. I never had it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you were like or maybe I was like, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't just dangle candy bacon in front of me

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<v Speaker 2>and then say you're not doing it. I did it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you did, and then it hit the table and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, I got to make sure I

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<v Speaker 2>get one piece of that. And then I turned my

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<v Speaker 2>back and I turned back again.

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<v Speaker 1>They cleaned that plate, you know they did. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to make more than a pound. No, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was probably the universe going that, you know, you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>need this way. And here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So the whole good luck for New Year's and God

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<v Speaker 1>knows we need it is always like cabbage or sour kraut,

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<v Speaker 1>pork and black eyed peace. So I made hop and

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<v Speaker 1>John and Rice vegan. Right, it was very good, big raves,

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<v Speaker 1>and the pork was the bacon, and and then I

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<v Speaker 1>made Hungarian We call it kappa sub, which is just

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<v Speaker 1>the word for cabbage. But I think anyway, Hungarian cabbage

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<v Speaker 1>and noodles, which is like hullishky with bacon for the

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<v Speaker 1>Polish people. But anyway, so I made that. So I

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<v Speaker 1>so I made the pork, and I made the black

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<v Speaker 1>eyed peas. So we did everything we could to bring

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<v Speaker 1>in and that. But that's why I chose those dishes. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>See, growing up in my house, it was always the

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<v Speaker 2>traditional New Year's meal was pork roast, collared greens, and

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<v Speaker 2>black eyed peas. I didn't do greens for health, money

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<v Speaker 2>and luck perspective. Of course, I skipped the money. Fuck

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<v Speaker 2>well that was what the shabbage was for.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, right, I white people do cabbage, I guess not always. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have done greens. I just didn't. I just didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't beg for it. No you didn't, So

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I didn't think. But I made the hop

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<v Speaker 2>and John and we bought that can of glory greens too.

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<v Speaker 1>And you had that, Yeah, that would be quick. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>whatever I didn't do. I didn't make a pot of greens,

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<v Speaker 1>but I made a whole thing of popping john and

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<v Speaker 1>rice and that was delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, lots of food.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Kathleen catered half the damn thing. So we

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<v Speaker 1>had begel. We had a begel tray, had smoked salmon

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<v Speaker 1>croissants that were getting were they I didn't have? They

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<v Speaker 1>were getting raves.

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<v Speaker 2>Those disappeared quick too, mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a muffin tray.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I didn't get a second smoked salmon, right.

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<v Speaker 1>We had We had a French toast castle.

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<v Speaker 2>That was very good, all kinds of dessert a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot because mm hmmm, and brought because lacas and with

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<v Speaker 1>our cream and apple sauce and cranberry sauce.

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<v Speaker 2>Aunt Joan made me bowls.

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<v Speaker 1>She made the appetizer and she walks and dismissing the food,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody's like, what which made them taste it?

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<v Speaker 2>And they're like, these are actually good.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly what a mountain they got eaten exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was like let her fail.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, knock it off.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, she said, I am an emotional cripple over

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<v Speaker 2>these appetizers. You know, drama. There was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>drama in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>So all things can said, it was a very lovely

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<v Speaker 1>event with not much of that. Right when you consider

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<v Speaker 1>all the potential drama we had.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, A lot of queers, right, a lot of queers.

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<v Speaker 2>You put more than three queers in.

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<v Speaker 1>A room, anything can happen.

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<v Speaker 2>The potential for drama increases three hundredfold.

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<v Speaker 1>And we had desserts and cookies, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>scones were outstanding, like it's just so much good food

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<v Speaker 1>and lovely people. It was a lovely day, lovely, lovely people.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice little cross section of humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely, and they were all our and I realized, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>at one point, I don't know, the four trans people

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<v Speaker 1>left in the house where we were all standing in

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen like good tuck in the living room where

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<v Speaker 1>we're allowed to sit down. Why are we standing here

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<v Speaker 1>like we're segregated?

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<v Speaker 2>There was It just happened because I was in the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>probably like cleaning something, and we just started keykeying and

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<v Speaker 2>the key key got extended maybe and no one left

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<v Speaker 2>until you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, but there were still people in the living room.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was just I don't know, it was weird

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, no, let's go in the living room.

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<v Speaker 1>We're allowed in there. It's my living room exactly. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was. It was good. There was good

427
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<v Speaker 1>conversation and lovely people, and there's where we need to

428
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<v Speaker 1>focus our time.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. That's my point.

430
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<v Speaker 1>Wow, you know somebody had to fiddle wall room burned,

431
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<v Speaker 1>might as well be. I guess I don't know.

432
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<v Speaker 2>The important things are relationships and family and connections and

433
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<v Speaker 2>working together to move forward. And since we can't look

434
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<v Speaker 2>to the folks in quote unquote charge for that, we'll

435
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<v Speaker 2>do it our damnself.

436
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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, because the children are going to be back

437
00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:20.960
<v Speaker 1>in charge of our government, not the experts, but those

438
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:24.240
<v Speaker 1>who you know, exploit our environment and you know, our

439
00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>treasury for their own ends. That's what's happening. That's what

440
00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:31.839
<v Speaker 1>folks voted for apparently, so that's what's going to happen.

441
00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:36.119
<v Speaker 1>And watch the deficit triple Watch you know what's bigger

442
00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:39.039
<v Speaker 1>than a trillion? How many trillions do get before you

443
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<v Speaker 1>get up to a Google or something? Because you know,

444
00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:50.880
<v Speaker 1>watch right. Watch Anyway, let's just move on, because there's

445
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:54.440
<v Speaker 1>dead people that we should talk about.

446
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.640
<v Speaker 2>It's our rip section first.

447
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<v Speaker 1>Of all, and you put them at the bottom, but

448
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<v Speaker 1>I want to bring him at the top. Jimmy Carter

449
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.720
<v Speaker 1>left us at one hundred because he was looking at,

450
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<v Speaker 1>you know, the inauguration coming up on the calendar and went,

451
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<v Speaker 1>fuck this. Yeah, that's what I feel like happened. He

452
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<v Speaker 1>just went, now, I don't need one hundred and one.

453
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<v Speaker 2>I gave you all one hundred years and that's all

454
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<v Speaker 2>you go and get.

455
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was a piece about his legacy with our folks,

456
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<v Speaker 1>you know. Obviously Nobel Peace Prize winner Georgia native passed

457
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<v Speaker 1>away on December twenty ninth. He left behind a legacy

458
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<v Speaker 1>of progressive values, racial advocacy, and early, though imperfect LGBTQ support.

459
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

460
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<v Speaker 1>He was born in October first, nineteen twenty four and Cleans, Georgia. Yeah,

461
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:50.279
<v Speaker 1>raised on his parents' peanut farm, and he died in

462
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:52.720
<v Speaker 1>the same town in the house he and his wife,

463
00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Roslyn spent the majority of their lives.

464
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<v Speaker 2>What A what A.

465
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<v Speaker 1>I used to say the reason he was a one

466
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<v Speaker 1>term president is because we just can't elect an honest

467
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<v Speaker 1>man under the presidency, not.

468
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<v Speaker 2>At that level of.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Integrity. And you know, and I kind of back that

470
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<v Speaker 1>up because Obama certainly had a ton of integrity, and

471
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<v Speaker 1>I believe Joe Biden does too. But I'm just saying

472
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<v Speaker 1>there was just no sleeves on Jimmy Carter, and you're

473
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.079
<v Speaker 1>such a sincere human and we couldn't take that. So

474
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.759
<v Speaker 1>then we brought in, we ushered in, you know, all

475
00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:29.759
<v Speaker 1>of the dystopia we've experienced since nineteen eighty when we

476
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:32.880
<v Speaker 1>brought in Saint Regan, and we're still paying for that.

477
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<v Speaker 1>And look where we are again today. I'm really not

478
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<v Speaker 1>Mary Sunshine today.

479
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<v Speaker 2>I notice. Sorry, oh Mary Sunstroke. Yeah.

480
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<v Speaker 1>At the DNC in nineteen seventy six, he disappointed advocates

481
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<v Speaker 1>when convention officials, at the request of the Carter campaign,

482
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<v Speaker 1>refused to include a gay rights plank as part of

483
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<v Speaker 1>the party's approved platform. They said it was too slow

484
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<v Speaker 1>to speak out again to Proposition six in nineteen seventy

485
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<v Speaker 1>eight in California, the ballot measure that would ban gay

486
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<v Speaker 1>and lesbian individuals from working in public schools. People, none

487
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:12.319
<v Speaker 1>of this is new right. Harvey Milk wrote a letter

488
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:15.079
<v Speaker 1>to Carter calling on him to take a stand against

489
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:18.519
<v Speaker 1>Prop six, and four months later Carter spoke out against

490
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<v Speaker 1>Prop six during a campaign speech in support of California

491
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Democratic candidates. It was defeated by a vote of fifty

492
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>eight point four percent to forty one point five and that,

493
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:36.039
<v Speaker 1>of course, was famously fueled by Nita Bryant. Oh. Yeah,

494
00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:39.160
<v Speaker 1>he lost around o Reagon in nineteen eighty amid economic

495
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:44.240
<v Speaker 1>problems and the Iranian hostage crisis. And you know, I

496
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.319
<v Speaker 1>don't know what do we call it a coincidence that

497
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:54.039
<v Speaker 1>the hostages were released immediately after? Yeah? But he was

498
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.119
<v Speaker 1>just a thoroughly good man. And this was a Christian,

499
00:26:57.960 --> 00:26:59.839
<v Speaker 1>This was someone who lived their values.

500
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In two thousand and five, he told Sean Kennedy

501
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:05.759
<v Speaker 2>at The Advocate that he was quote a worshiper of

502
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ who never mentioned homosexuals in any way. He said,

503
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I've never looked upon sexuality as any sort of reason

504
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.759
<v Speaker 2>to condemn a person. I think it's an inherent characteristic,

505
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:20.119
<v Speaker 2>just like other things that we do with their lives. Yep.

506
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:22.160
<v Speaker 2>And then in two thousand and seven he called for

507
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:25.039
<v Speaker 2>an end to Don't Ask, Don't Tell, calling it the

508
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:28.599
<v Speaker 2>only law in America today that regulates a group of citizens.

509
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Then prohibits them from identifying themselves and speaking up on

510
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>their own behalf. Yep, he was a very explicit supporter

511
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 2>of marriage equality. Yes, before over Fell and VI Hodges.

512
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.920
<v Speaker 2>So you know he's been vocal consistently.

513
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean right, and many of them evolved, I mean,

514
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>God knows right, but yeah, exactly, and yeah, the list

515
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>goes on. But thoroughly, thoroughly decent human being.

516
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no one's perfect, but you know he got I think,

517
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:07.640
<v Speaker 2>more right than he did wrong.

518
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 1>The other person who died on the same day of

519
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>December twenty ninth Linda Lavin, who was eighty seven. I

520
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.599
<v Speaker 1>loved her work. I loved Alice.

521
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:18.319
<v Speaker 2>I did too.

522
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I loved Alice. You know, she's been

523
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Speaker 1>in so many things I grew up on. I'm guessing

524
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:28.839
<v Speaker 1>Rerun I must still possibly, yeah, because that was like

525
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:32.279
<v Speaker 1>the yeah you were I don't think you remember, like

526
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the seventies.

527
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Or maybe like it was like the end of the

528
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.000
<v Speaker 2>first run, but it was also syndicated.

529
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Possibly, yeah, because that was Alice came out in like

530
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy six, so I would have been one year old. Yeah.

531
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:49.200
<v Speaker 2>How long did it run?

532
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Like nine years? Yeah? Nine seasons?

533
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, so until eighty five something like that. Okay, so yeah,

534
00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:59.559
<v Speaker 2>I was watching First Round episodes.

535
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I was just old, you know, obviously older

536
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>than you. But I loved Alice and and a lot

537
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.039
<v Speaker 1>of the work she's done since then. She's still she

538
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:14.039
<v Speaker 1>was still working quite recently. Apparently she had a lung

539
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>cancer diagnosis and did not last very long. Yeah but yeah,

540
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>what a what a what a phenomenal actress, what a

541
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:24.519
<v Speaker 1>what a storied resume? Yeah, you know, Broadway, et cetera.

542
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:26.599
<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, so, and.

543
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Of course, you know, I loved her character of Alice,

544
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>but my favorite character, and Alice would have been Flowing.

545
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:33.720
<v Speaker 2>I kiss Margret's Polly.

546
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Vira and flow now and Alice and Polly.

547
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Holliday was in one of my favorite episodes of The

548
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Golden Girls when she played Rose's blind sister.

549
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right, that's right. I forgot about that. I

550
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:51.799
<v Speaker 1>forgot about that. Yeah, she was again. She was in

551
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:56.119
<v Speaker 1>the Sopranos member she played the therapist that Meta went

552
00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 1>to that they hated that. Okay, Yeah, she's been in

553
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>so many things, so yes, she's gone. Yeah, now we

554
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>got others, others story masters. Yeah, not at sixty.

555
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Three pioneering LGBTQ journalists at the home of several influential publications,

556
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.559
<v Speaker 2>notably Gay City News in New York City and the

557
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.240
<v Speaker 2>LA Blade since twenty seventeen.

558
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. She died on December eleventh in his home in

559
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 1>West Hollywood at sixty three, younger and younger. I no,

560
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:42.960
<v Speaker 1>that's sorry, and the medical examiner determined the cause was suicide. Oh,

561
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that.

562
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:45.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, damn.

563
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:50.039
<v Speaker 1>He grew up in Tennessee, went to New York City

564
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:55.400
<v Speaker 1>in the eighties, worked for Out Week, QW LGNY and

565
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 1>the successor Gay City News before moving west and starting

566
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 1>the LA Blade in twenty seventeen in partnership with the

567
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Washington Blade, which was founded in nineteen sixty nine.

568
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Naff, who is the editor of The Washington Blade

569
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.400
<v Speaker 2>and the owner of both the Washington and LA papers,

570
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>said that Troy was a pioneer of LGBTQ media who

571
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:23.559
<v Speaker 2>was fueled by a passion for advocacy and brought his

572
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 2>commitment to justice, truth and best in class journalism.

573
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In the first issue of the LA Blade, mister Masters

575
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 2>described the heady promises and challenges that his readers faced. Quote,

576
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:42.359
<v Speaker 2>we are living in a paradigm shifting moment in real time.

577
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:47.079
<v Speaker 2>You can feel it. Sometimes it's overwhelming, sometimes it's toxic.

578
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's perplexing, even terrifying. On the other hand, sometimes

579
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:53.880
<v Speaker 2>it's just downright exhilarating.

580
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:57.119
<v Speaker 1>You know he did. He used his platform to really

581
00:31:58.039 --> 00:31:59.839
<v Speaker 1>talk about monkey pocks and bring it to the f

582
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>and you know, get it discussed. And yeah, that early

583
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.559
<v Speaker 1>work with that was pretty instrumental. And you know, we've

584
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>talked to Rob Rekerd even about how it could have

585
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:18.519
<v Speaker 1>been much worse and it wasn't because of folks like Masters.

586
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:20.759
<v Speaker 2>And he went there about monkey pops too. He said,

587
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.720
<v Speaker 2>this is not a gay disease, nor is it a

588
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.599
<v Speaker 2>sex panic, but it is hitting our community hard and

589
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.920
<v Speaker 2>we must protect ourselves and each other. If monkey pox

590
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.319
<v Speaker 2>is used as a cudgel against the community of men

591
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:33.160
<v Speaker 2>who have sex with men, it will be time to

592
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.920
<v Speaker 2>act up and fight again. Act up in all caps.

593
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:39.000
<v Speaker 2>So that was a double reference. Joe.

594
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he is gone, Rest in peace.

595
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Art Evans died. You knew who this is.

596
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:49.359
<v Speaker 1>I know you do.

597
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>You've seen him in things, okay, I know you have.

598
00:32:55.359 --> 00:33:01.960
<v Speaker 2>He's always playing like the older black man who is

599
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.000
<v Speaker 2>a voice of reason to the younger black man, like

600
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:08.359
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of been his his thing, and a lot

601
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:12.359
<v Speaker 2>of things, like for instance, in the movie School Days

602
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 2>when he was trying to school Laurence Fishburne's character about

603
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.720
<v Speaker 2>like advocacy is great, what you have to think about

604
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:23.920
<v Speaker 2>the bigger picture. But his two of his more notable

605
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 2>roles were I know is I was going say, I

606
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 2>know you do? He was in a Soldier story and

607
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:36.079
<v Speaker 2>die Hard too. But I've seen him in so many things.

608
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>He was just one of those actors that, like, you know,

609
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.160
<v Speaker 2>if he's in the movie, you know it's a good movie.

610
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Two yeah mm and last Brenton would Yes.

611
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:58.079
<v Speaker 2>He was the singer known for the song the Ugam

612
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Bughem song. You know Ukham bookham Ugum buogm baby now

613
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:03.039
<v Speaker 2>that song?

614
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

615
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He was eighty three died from a natural causes

616
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>surrounded by his family at his home in Marino Valley, California. Okay,

617
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:19.039
<v Speaker 2>apparently he lived a good life. He was from Shreveport, Louisiana.

618
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:23.519
<v Speaker 2>H He was on a farewell tour in twenty twenty

619
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.440
<v Speaker 2>four catch You on the Rebound the last tour, which

620
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:30.599
<v Speaker 2>paused after his hospitalization. But uh, that was the jam

621
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:34.320
<v Speaker 2>the Ugambogem song that back when you could just string

622
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:36.800
<v Speaker 2>some syllables together and have a hit.

623
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>I came out in like nineteen sixty seven.

624
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

625
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anyway, So rest in peace to arts who Brighton Wood.

626
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, was that everybody?

627
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>They're the ones you listed? I mean there were certainly others.

628
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.880
<v Speaker 1>There were a lot of folks. We just heard about

629
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Aubrey Plasi's husband who also suicided.

630
00:34:57.559 --> 00:34:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I didn't know about that.

631
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Filmmaker Jeff Baina. Huh was Aubrey Plas's husband, found

632
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:10.800
<v Speaker 1>dead in their La home. He was forty seven. Damn.

633
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a damn shame.

634
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.639
<v Speaker 1>I guess that is right now the apparent clause of Jeff.

635
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:23.079
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that one I just heard about. Maybe it

636
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:23.760
<v Speaker 1>was yesterday.

637
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<v Speaker 2>I did not hear about that. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they did several films together. He was an independent filmmaker.

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<v Speaker 1>He did go to NYU for film school. He co

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<v Speaker 1>wrote I think probably most famously, I Heart Hockeates.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I did hear about this. I didn't realize he

642
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<v Speaker 2>was Aubrey Plaus's husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. He directed five of his own films, four of

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<v Speaker 1>which premiered at Sundance.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm, I am said that he died, but I

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<v Speaker 2>did not enjoy his work. Okay, specifically, iHeart Huckebees don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember it. I feel like I've seen it,

648
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think I was in love it was anyway,

649
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 1>he also left us recently. There was also who.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the other one?

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty one? She was eighty one. I think britt Allcroft

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<v Speaker 1>write a producer and voice actress, best known as the

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<v Speaker 1>creator of Thomas the Tank. Nd.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I did see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she died on the twenty seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw that on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, so that was another one. That was another one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a shame.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's that time of year apparently, Yeah, apparently this

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<v Speaker 1>is the busy season.

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<v Speaker 2>As it were.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, well, my father was you know, we actually had

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<v Speaker 1>his funeral between Christmas and New Years because he his

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<v Speaker 1>official date of death is the twenty sixth of December,

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<v Speaker 1>but really he tried the twenty fifth. It's when he

666
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<v Speaker 1>collapsed Christmas morning, ten o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean it wasn't a shock, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sudden because he was up an alert and we

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<v Speaker 1>had a big party on Christmas Eve, and he you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was good until he wasn't. Wasn't yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So but you know, it's it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently common, you know, this time of the year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>on the holidays. My mother was the day after Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty seventeen, and he's day after Christmas in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 2>So the holidays are never like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was just this was the twenty year anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>of my father's death this Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>The holidays are never an easy time for you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that just because it was so important to him,

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<v Speaker 1>especially Christmas, you know that it was such an important day.

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<v Speaker 1>Just so many things have changed. I used to cook

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty five people, right, but you know, we know

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<v Speaker 1>how to make a reservation for Thanksgiving dinner too, don't

686
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<v Speaker 1>getting twisted. That's made some good reservations very tasty, truly,

687
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<v Speaker 1>it was. Yeah, so let's take a break because we

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00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>do have a lot of good news and we'll come

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<v Speaker 1>back with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back.

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<v Speaker 1>So eight LA comps were fired after a mess of

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<v Speaker 1>cover up a police beating of a transmit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I had been seeing this story develop, but now

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<v Speaker 2>that there's actual, like you know, consequences feel like we

696
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<v Speaker 2>can talk about. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>A contempt of cop indictment involving a twenty three year

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<v Speaker 1>old transman and the LA County sheriff who beat him

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<v Speaker 1>in the parking lot of a seven to eleven grew

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<v Speaker 1>to include at least eight deputies fired for participating in

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00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:19.760
<v Speaker 1>a cover up of their colleagues action yep. The La

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<v Speaker 1>Times reports multiple La County Sheriff's deputies have been relieved

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<v Speaker 1>of duty amid a federal investigation into the beating of

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<v Speaker 1>teacher Emmett Brock after he flipped off a sheriff's deputy

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00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:37.519
<v Speaker 1>and was beaten in the aftermath. The deputy agreed to

706
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<v Speaker 1>a plead guilty in federal court to one felon account

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<v Speaker 1>of deprivation of rights under the color of law in

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<v Speaker 1>relation to the incident, which carries a maximum ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>He's probably going to get probation. But in February of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, Brock, the victim, drove by Benza, who was

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<v Speaker 1>arguing with a woman engaging in a traffic stop, and

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<v Speaker 1>flipped off the deputy right He didn't think the officer

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<v Speaker 1>would even see the gesture. Soon after he was followed,

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<v Speaker 1>Benza was falling Brock, and a two mile pursuit that

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<v Speaker 1>ended with Brock bloodied and beaten in a seven to

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<v Speaker 1>eleven parking lot.

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<v Speaker 2>YEP.

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<v Speaker 1>Video captured Benza beating Brock for three minutes YEP as

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<v Speaker 1>the young man pleaded for his life. Benza admitted he

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<v Speaker 1>lied to the FBI, alleged to other deputies, including supervisors,

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<v Speaker 1>helped him obstruct the investigation and cover up his misconduct.

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<v Speaker 2>He's taking everybody with him.

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<v Speaker 1>The La County Sheriff's Department confirmed he had been fired

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<v Speaker 1>on December eighteenth. The next day, they admitted multiple other

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<v Speaker 1>deputies had also been relieved of duties.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the video, but I didn't watch it. I

727
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:56.400
<v Speaker 2>was happy that there was video. I fast forwarded through

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<v Speaker 2>it just to make sure that every like there was

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<v Speaker 2>damna evidence caught on the camera, And there was. That's

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<v Speaker 2>all I need to say. Oh yeah, yeah, because he

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00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.719
<v Speaker 2>flipped someone off. So yeah, I mean, which is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how thin the skin is on so many

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcements, which is terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that they did a strip search of the transman,

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<v Speaker 1>which is you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>How that came into play. That part, but of course

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<v Speaker 2>it did.

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<v Speaker 1>So Yeah, I imagine a civil suit will follow and good,

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00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.480
<v Speaker 1>but at least there's a little bit of justice out

742
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<v Speaker 1>of la.

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00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, you've got a gun, you've got a taser, you've

744
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:42.280
<v Speaker 2>got pepper spray, you've got a stick like but someone

745
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.320
<v Speaker 2>a hand gesture threatened you.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, yeah, exactly. It's all ticks because they think

747
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:54.000
<v Speaker 1>that they are somehow uh you know, above it.

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<v Speaker 2>All these people have balls made of soap bubbles or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I swear to Craze that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So the courthouse that issued our country's first gay marriage

751
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<v Speaker 2>license becomes a National Historic landmark. Good. US Secretary of

752
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 2>the Interior deb Holland announced that the Boulder County Courthouse

753
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<v Speaker 2>in Colorado has been designated a National Historic Landmark for

754
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<v Speaker 2>being the site of the first issuing of a same

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<v Speaker 2>sex marriage license in the United States. On March twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five, Damn Boulder County Clerk Klelo Roorax issued

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<v Speaker 2>the license after confirming with the assistant district attorney that

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<v Speaker 2>state law did not ban marriage between two people of

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<v Speaker 2>the same sex. This act of courage ignited a nationwide

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<v Speaker 2>conversation about marriage equality and cemented the courthouse's role as

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<v Speaker 2>a symbol of hope and progress for the LGBTQ plus community.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, within weeks, X issued five more same sex marriage licenses,

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<v Speaker 1>and new That's across the country spotlighted Boulder as a

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00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:09.119
<v Speaker 1>trailblazer for civil rights work. At the time, Boulder was

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<v Speaker 1>deeply divided over gay rights. A few had thought about

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00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>same sex couples marrying, singing parallel with the women's movement,

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<v Speaker 1>and finding nothing in the law to prevent it. The

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00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>thirty one year old county clerk ultimately granted six licenses

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00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 1>to gay couples before the state's attorney general at the time, J. D. McFarlane,

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<v Speaker 1>ordered her to stop. So, yeah, all the way back then, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't realize it was that long ago. Yep, that's crazy.

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00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>First with gay marriage, then legal we Colorado. There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>For five minutes, I was considering going to University of

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00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Colorado at Boulder from my master's degree. But then I

775
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:57.519
<v Speaker 2>was like, but you'd be living in Colorado. I mean,

776
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.519
<v Speaker 2>no shade of Colorado, but it gets called there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. That was really a thirteen LGBTQ plus elected lawmakers

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<v Speaker 1>join the one hundred and nineteenth Congress. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>largest group of out LGBTQ plus members in US history,

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<v Speaker 1>A dynamic thirteen legislators who are redefining what representation in

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<v Speaker 1>Washington looks like. Heerry McBride made history as the first

782
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:28.320
<v Speaker 1>openly transgender person elected to Congress, Emily Randall of Washington,

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00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:33.719
<v Speaker 1>first queer Latina representative, Julie Johnson of Texas. She is

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00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:38.599
<v Speaker 1>state's first openly queer representative, a shift even in traditionally

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<v Speaker 1>conservative strongholds. They joined seasoned icons like Robert Garcia of California,

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<v Speaker 1>the first out immigrant in Congress represented to Richie Torres

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<v Speaker 1>of New York, first Afro Latina to serve senator, to

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how about it. That's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, it's bittersweet because Sara McBride immediately

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<v Speaker 2>sucked it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but that's a whole exactly. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she is our first trans member of Congress. She's sworn

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<v Speaker 1>in on January third. She represents you know, Delawares one

796
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<v Speaker 1>at large district.

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<v Speaker 2>But not the trans people in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, yeah, it's a complicated, not really, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, is it not really? Not

800
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<v Speaker 1>really anyway, a lot of firsts. So here's a quote

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<v Speaker 1>from Sarah McBride. It is not surprising to me is

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<v Speaker 1>that an anti trans bill will be one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first they put forward. She called it part of a

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<v Speaker 1>broader strategy to distract from economic issues. Uh, these anti

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00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.199
<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ policies have an impact on every single person in

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<v Speaker 1>this country who believes that the time and energy of

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government should be spent improving the lives of workers,

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<v Speaker 1>improving conditions facing retirees, and improving support for our families.

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<v Speaker 1>M hm right, mm hmm. She thinks she can bridge divides,

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<v Speaker 1>which that's cute, right, And yeah, she has a private

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<v Speaker 1>bathroom depan and the rest of us can fuck ourselves

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00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:26.679
<v Speaker 1>that part, or you know, risk whatever punishments they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to put in place for their symbolic nonsense. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is what it is, right, it is what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I mean, this is not without merit, of

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<v Speaker 1>course she is the first.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that part is going to be true regardless.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but this Kumbaya, we're all the same, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to single out the trouble. Well, We're

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<v Speaker 1>being singled out, my dear, we are being singled out.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they are directly targeting folks, and the example

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<v Speaker 1>you just set is still reprehensible. Sorry, you know, every

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<v Speaker 1>trans kid just herdue and you know, lost a little

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<v Speaker 1>error and a little height.

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<v Speaker 2>But whatever you do. You just because you're the first,

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<v Speaker 2>does it mean you're the best? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean, you know, and if you well, never mind,

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<v Speaker 1>we already talked about this. If you can't connect civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights and the greater you know what I mean. Nobody

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00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.280
<v Speaker 1>ever gained ground by saying yes, so please, can I

831
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.320
<v Speaker 1>have some more of that? Never happened, but let's try

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<v Speaker 1>it just in case.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the definition of insanity?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, I've said enough So. California has banned schools

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<v Speaker 1>from forcing teachers to out queer students. Yay, rights, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously in particular we're talking about trans kids, right.

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<v Speaker 1>The new law prevents schools from acquiring staff to notify

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<v Speaker 1>parents if a student identifies as LGBTQ, in its response

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<v Speaker 1>to some districts requiring staff to notify parents when students

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<v Speaker 1>identify as a gender other than what's in their official files.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a K.

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<v Speaker 2>Newsom said at a press conference. Teachers can still talk

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<v Speaker 2>to their parents. What they can't do is fire a

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<v Speaker 2>teacher for not being a snitch. I don't think teachers

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<v Speaker 2>should be gender police here here exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you don't know, it's because your kid doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>trust you, and there's probably a good reason for.

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<v Speaker 2>That, exactly.

849
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:30.639
<v Speaker 1>And you know, a rule like this doesn't protect kids,

850
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.199
<v Speaker 1>not the queer kids, not the trans kids.

851
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.119
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, it's not designed too.

852
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.559
<v Speaker 1>But they aren't human anyway. So yeah, you know, there

853
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.000
<v Speaker 1>are opponents to the new law. Of course, the parental

854
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.360
<v Speaker 1>notification policy is actually strengthen ties between students and parents.

855
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:52.400
<v Speaker 1>No they do not, No, they don't. Nope, no, sorry, No.

856
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where I would have lived if I

857
00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:58.679
<v Speaker 1>would have been out at as trans as a child,

858
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:01.079
<v Speaker 1>I really don't. I I doubt it would have been

859
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:05.880
<v Speaker 1>in this house, I hear strongly. I doubt that, and

860
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd had more than just the one exorcism. But you know,

861
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:14.760
<v Speaker 1>let's keep doing this shit anyway, there's a lull. Let's

862
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:22.199
<v Speaker 1>hope that holds exactly fingers crossed you fingers cross, because

863
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 1>this is a sound policymaking, you know.

864
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:27.840
<v Speaker 2>That actually protects kids.

865
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that actually does and the teachers that right, spend

866
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:36.159
<v Speaker 1>the most time with them.

867
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Now, this story is kind of cool. Okay, So there's

868
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:49.519
<v Speaker 2>a camp in northern Minnesota that is closing down. Pine

869
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:51.039
<v Speaker 2>County Camp.

870
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:55.239
<v Speaker 1>The eighty acre site in Willow River, Minnesota, about forty

871
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:59.639
<v Speaker 1>minutes southwest of Duluth, has served kids living with or

872
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.880
<v Speaker 1>effect by HIV and AIDS for more than thirty years.

873
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:06.840
<v Speaker 1>The number of babies contracting the virus through their mothers

874
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.239
<v Speaker 1>has declined to the point where such a camp no

875
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.679
<v Speaker 1>longer needs to exist. Right, This is some of what

876
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.280
<v Speaker 1>we're seeing happening, like with the AIDS fund saying, you know,

877
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:18.679
<v Speaker 1>they don't need to be here anymore, they don't need

878
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.480
<v Speaker 1>to do exactly what they were doing, right, And this

879
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:23.719
<v Speaker 1>is kind of another example of that.

880
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Right. So it's like it's a bittersweet thing. It's like, ah,

881
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:32.519
<v Speaker 2>this tradition, this thing that has a standing tradition, has

882
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:36.719
<v Speaker 2>to go away. But the reason for it is great.

883
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Right in the United States, the perinatal HIV transmission rate,

884
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:42.719
<v Speaker 1>or the rate of a mother passing the virus onto

885
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:46.079
<v Speaker 1>a child through pregnancy, birth, or breastfeeding, is now less

886
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:50.480
<v Speaker 1>than one percent thanks to anti retroviral medications. According to

887
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:55.039
<v Speaker 1>the CDC. The World Health Organization says that globally, new

888
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:58.239
<v Speaker 1>infections among children up to age fourteen have declined by

889
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:01.639
<v Speaker 1>thirty eight percent since twenty five fifteen, and AIDS related

890
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.400
<v Speaker 1>deaths have fallen by forty three percent.

891
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, right, and that's a cool thing.

892
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:10.599
<v Speaker 1>I think so, I think so.

893
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:15.119
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't even know that that camp existed. I did,

894
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh you did. Okay, Yeah, that's cool.

895
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:21.599
<v Speaker 1>I did. During the first several years, of course of

896
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 1>the camp's existence, death was common. Now, many of the

897
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:28.400
<v Speaker 1>thousands who swam and hiked and mid crafts at the

898
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:32.639
<v Speaker 1>camp have married and had children. A documentary is being

899
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 1>filmed about the camp, which eventually broadened its reach to

900
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:41.519
<v Speaker 1>serve different campers, including those with diabetes and LGBTQ youth.

901
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 1>It was largely serving the latter group last summer. The

902
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:48.719
<v Speaker 1>nonprofit hopes to sell the camp to another group that

903
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:52.400
<v Speaker 1>will serve kids. That there's no longer a need for

904
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.320
<v Speaker 1>this camp's original purposes. The greatest story that I ever

905
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:59.400
<v Speaker 1>could have imagined. It's something I never could have predicted,

906
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.559
<v Speaker 1>said the founder of the camp, Neil Willinson. Founded One

907
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Heartland in nineteen ninety three when he was twenty two. Wow,

908
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:11.800
<v Speaker 1>he is now fifty three, and marveled at how quickly

909
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Speaker 1>his college age dreams of working in Hollywood as an

910
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:18.519
<v Speaker 1>actor and producer diverged to running a nonprofit.

911
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:19.800
<v Speaker 2>That's actually not uncommon.

912
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's cool.

913
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:22.760
<v Speaker 2>It is cool.

914
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, these things were rearranging things because

915
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:30.719
<v Speaker 1>it's possible, right, Yeah, And there's not the same call

916
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:35.679
<v Speaker 1>that there was when it began thirty years ago. So

917
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:36.840
<v Speaker 1>that is good stuff.

918
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:42.559
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing. Yeah, what else for goot? So this is

919
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.519
<v Speaker 2>something that I've been seeing happen here and there for

920
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the past few years, since the whole CRT debate has

921
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 2>become a thing. Oh right, this is in Florida.

922
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Those words right exactly.

923
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Florida's students are giving up Saturday to learn black history

924
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.480
<v Speaker 2>lessons their schools don't teach.

925
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

926
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's becoming like the new underground railroad of education

927
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:07.519
<v Speaker 2>and shit.

928
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay. The Spady Cultural Heritage Museum in Delray Beach and

929
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:17.119
<v Speaker 1>in similar programs that community centers across the state, many

930
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.679
<v Speaker 1>supported by Black churches, which for generations have helped forge

931
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the cultural and political identity of their parishioners.

932
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Yep. In an old wooden bungalow and Delray Beach. Charlene

933
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Farrington and her staff gathered groups of teenagers on Saturday

934
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:36.239
<v Speaker 2>mornings to teach them lessons she worries that public schools

935
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.480
<v Speaker 2>won't provide. They talk about South Florida's Caribbean roots, the

936
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:45.440
<v Speaker 2>state's dark history of lynching, how segregation still shapes the landscape,

937
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:48.920
<v Speaker 2>and how grassroots activists mobilize the civil rights movement to

938
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:50.960
<v Speaker 2>up end generations of oppression.

939
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Wow, she said to her.

940
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:57.039
<v Speaker 2>Students, you need to know how it happened before so

941
00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 2>you can decide how you want it to happen again.

942
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:03.800
<v Speaker 1>M hm agreed, Yeah, agreed.

943
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.039
<v Speaker 2>That's been a thing. I was reading stories about, like

944
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 2>folks gathering in the basements of churches or like small

945
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:19.159
<v Speaker 2>rooms and like having clandestine black history conversations in history lessons.

946
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:20.679
<v Speaker 1>How ridiculous.

947
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:22.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, the fact that you have to do this

948
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:23.480
<v Speaker 2>shit in secret?

949
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, and this is you know that this is the

950
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:26.840
<v Speaker 1>direction we're all headed.

951
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:30.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, you know what it feels like. It just

952
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:37.320
<v Speaker 2>occurred to me. It feels like when enslaved people had

953
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.119
<v Speaker 2>to like teach each other to read and write in secret.

954
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:43.320
<v Speaker 1>And then pretend they couldn't and write it does well.

955
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.159
<v Speaker 1>You know a lot of these folks harken back to

956
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:48.280
<v Speaker 1>that era as at the good times, right back in

957
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:49.119
<v Speaker 1>the good old days.

958
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Ain't that some shit? Ain't that some shit?

959
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:54.039
<v Speaker 1>It's awesome shit.

960
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:57.599
<v Speaker 2>That's why I like on social media. Every now and again,

961
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:00.679
<v Speaker 2>I'll see a post like someone will stop a group,

962
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:03.280
<v Speaker 2>like be on a college campus or whatever, and stop

963
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:05.679
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of random people and show them a bunch

964
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:11.360
<v Speaker 2>of different photos of notable historical Black figures, and if

965
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 2>they can guess all of them, they get money, Like

966
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:22.440
<v Speaker 2>right there. Wow, Like let's just incentivize, you know. And

967
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:27.039
<v Speaker 2>the number of young black people that can positively identify

968
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:32.480
<v Speaker 2>these people is heartening. The number of people that can't actually,

969
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what, it's not that many like and usually

970
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.320
<v Speaker 2>like if it's two people of the same age and

971
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 2>one person doesn't know the other, one's like who raised you?

972
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:48.239
<v Speaker 2>So there's still hope. I remember my mom would give

973
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:55.679
<v Speaker 2>me like extracurricular homework. She brought in these calendars and

974
00:55:55.800 --> 00:56:00.360
<v Speaker 2>each month was a different notable figure, so I had

975
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:03.000
<v Speaker 2>to like learn up on that person and then write

976
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:06.239
<v Speaker 2>a few paragraphs about them. I'm like eight nine ten

977
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:10.199
<v Speaker 2>at the time. Yeah, that's how I know who like

978
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Mary McLeod Beuthune is you know, Benjamin Banneker like folks

979
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:16.920
<v Speaker 2>like that. Awesome.

980
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, we all should.

981
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:24.679
<v Speaker 2>I agree, it shouldn't be relegated to a special category

982
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:30.360
<v Speaker 2>at a special time. It's all history. Black history is

983
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:35.639
<v Speaker 2>American history, Queer history is American history. You're preaching to

984
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.159
<v Speaker 2>the choir, and they're both world history, you know.

985
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:41.159
<v Speaker 1>And what a better world it would be, you know,

986
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.079
<v Speaker 1>And how much less ugliness and bullying would you know

987
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.840
<v Speaker 1>we suffer if we bother to teach that we all

988
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.440
<v Speaker 1>have a place in this world. But that's some of them.

989
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Like what would the last ten years look like if

990
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:58.119
<v Speaker 2>it was common knowledge what happened on Black Wall Street

991
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:02.800
<v Speaker 2>in Greenwood? You know what I mean? Anyone?

992
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I think that's all the good news we

993
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.960
<v Speaker 1>could take up this week. I can't think of them anymore.

994
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:14.159
<v Speaker 1>We tried, We tried, you know, we gave it our

995
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:14.679
<v Speaker 1>best shot.

996
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:15.199
<v Speaker 2>We did.

997
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Do you have a fifteen minute pig.

998
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:22.719
<v Speaker 2>I do, And it actually kind of piggybacks off of

999
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:28.159
<v Speaker 2>that last story. Okay, So when I am at work

1000
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:33.599
<v Speaker 2>and I have to do med audits, which involves counting.

1001
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.039
<v Speaker 2>I like to silence the white noise in the back

1002
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:39.599
<v Speaker 2>of my head by putting on music that I don't

1003
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.719
<v Speaker 2>actually have to pay attention to. Okay, Like sometimes it's

1004
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 2>drummond bass. This time it was house, and so I

1005
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:49.960
<v Speaker 2>was listening to house music and this song pulled my focus.

1006
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I had never heard it before. In fact, the chorus

1007
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:55.920
<v Speaker 2>specifically is what pulled my focus. Because I'm over here

1008
00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:59.800
<v Speaker 2>counting and I hear do not Fuck with Colored People.

1009
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:04.599
<v Speaker 2>I was like, wait, what huh? So I paused and

1010
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I started listening to this song, and I was like,

1011
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:13.039
<v Speaker 2>is this a motherfucking house song about Claudette Colvin? Really? Yes?

1012
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:19.360
<v Speaker 2>It is? Okay, Okay, it's the It's off of an

1013
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:24.800
<v Speaker 2>album by Rafe Gum and this song is Claudette featuring

1014
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Monique Bingham, and uh yeah, it's about Claudette Coven and

1015
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:35.440
<v Speaker 2>the Montgomery Buss Boycott. Okay. Then fun yeah, and it's funky.

1016
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:38.199
<v Speaker 2>I've listened to I stopped and listened to it like

1017
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:40.360
<v Speaker 2>five times, and listened to it again on the way home,

1018
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:42.639
<v Speaker 2>and for a couple of days, I'm walking around going

1019
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.719
<v Speaker 2>do not fuck we call it people?

1020
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:52.639
<v Speaker 1>That's not what I thought was happening in our house.

1021
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:58.679
<v Speaker 1>But it's good to know. What's a song that's not true?

1022
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Not so this will be a fun way to go

1023
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:06.840
<v Speaker 1>out to the break.

1024
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:11.199
<v Speaker 2>What is the name of the Claudette Claudette featuring Monique Binger.

1025
00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:13.079
<v Speaker 1>All right, then we'll be right back.

1026
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Cuse ever result ever resarty only all the time away.

1027
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.760
<v Speaker 5>Don't get that confused.

1028
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:27.320
<v Speaker 4>Baby, can.

1029
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:37.039
<v Speaker 5>Let me go out my saying so they know to

1030
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:41.400
<v Speaker 5>never try or even think whise and think this is a.

1031
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:45.679
<v Speaker 2>Cut on.

1032
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:54.159
<v Speaker 4>People, Come lumber, I got people.

1033
00:59:54.320 --> 01:00:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Come one, come mother, you don't m h.

1034
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 5>M hm.

1035
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:48.039
<v Speaker 2>And we're back. We're back. That was you know, jam right,

1036
01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I hear you.

1037
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:52.079
<v Speaker 1>And every time we say don't fuck with us, whoever

1038
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:55.480
<v Speaker 1>we may be, there's a mouth breathing Republican somewhere going

1039
01:00:55.559 --> 01:01:01.920
<v Speaker 1>hold my bear right true good lord. So you know,

1040
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:12.000
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing before the official cavalcade of nonsense. I'm nonsensing, okay,

1041
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:16.480
<v Speaker 1>because I don't know where else this story belongs. And

1042
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:21.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm not It's not so much that I am trying

1043
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:25.239
<v Speaker 1>to judge my fallow queers as I you know, I

1044
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:28.320
<v Speaker 1>just feel sad about this story and I want to

1045
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:33.360
<v Speaker 1>talk about it. Okay, So this is from today's Philadelphia Enquirer.

1046
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:38.760
<v Speaker 1>So the headline is published today in the Sunday Enquirer,

1047
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the queer people who are buying guns to prepare for

1048
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Trump's America. You know, in the subheading we are not

1049
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:51.039
<v Speaker 1>looking to arm up and storm the Capitol. One gun

1050
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.719
<v Speaker 1>owner said, we just don't want to be put in

1051
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:58.920
<v Speaker 1>concentration camps. Well, here, here, fair it is you know,

1052
01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:01.320
<v Speaker 1>the person they seem to focus on as a trans

1053
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:04.480
<v Speaker 1>woman who, as a result of the election, decided she

1054
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:06.880
<v Speaker 1>would learn how to use a gun and got one.

1055
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:11.079
<v Speaker 1>It is chilling. I just wanted to, you know, talk

1056
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:13.039
<v Speaker 1>about this because this has come up so often.

1057
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Part of the.

1058
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Problem with gun ownership and within our communities is we

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01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:22.199
<v Speaker 1>have a great propensity to use it on ourselves.

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01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:26.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, I've lost too many people that were really

1062
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:30.920
<v Speaker 1>close to me because you know, they had easy access

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01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.880
<v Speaker 1>to a loaded weapon at a time when life got challenging,

1064
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:39.719
<v Speaker 1>and that became a permanent solution to what was for

1065
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:42.920
<v Speaker 1>sure a temporary problem, right.

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01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean they didn't see it that way, but you know.

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01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, research and statistics do tell us that

1068
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:56.360
<v Speaker 1>the likelihood of an accident, the likelihood of having the

1069
01:02:56.400 --> 01:03:01.000
<v Speaker 1>gun turned on ourselves. You know, it goes up, not down.

1070
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:06.639
<v Speaker 1>They're dangerous, agree, and you know, and I understand the fear,

1071
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:10.559
<v Speaker 1>but you know, the fear that has driven this country,

1072
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:14.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, brought us another like this is you know,

1073
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:18.320
<v Speaker 1>it's still unthinkable that that jackass is going to be

1074
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:22.760
<v Speaker 1>president again. It's just unthinkable that we're that we would

1075
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:28.000
<v Speaker 1>revisit that as a nation, truly, And you know, in

1076
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:30.199
<v Speaker 1>part one of the things that I have been watching

1077
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:33.840
<v Speaker 1>over time is this escalation of fear.

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01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:39.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, it used to be men proved themselves as

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01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:40.880
<v Speaker 2>men and men.

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01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:44.519
<v Speaker 1>With you know, their fists right, which was you know,

1081
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:48.760
<v Speaker 1>problematic enough for me throughout grade school. But we keep

1082
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:56.480
<v Speaker 1>needing weapons a family and you know what an eye

1083
01:03:56.519 --> 01:03:59.519
<v Speaker 1>for an eye makes the whole world blind. That keeps

1084
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.079
<v Speaker 1>resonating in my head.

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01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:05.239
<v Speaker 2>I remember that it was like an unofficial movement in

1086
01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:08.840
<v Speaker 2>black pop culture because this was at the height we're

1087
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:11.280
<v Speaker 2>talking about like the nineties, because this was at the

1088
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.239
<v Speaker 2>height of quote unquote gangster rap, and so you know,

1089
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:19.840
<v Speaker 2>gun culture was glorified as you know, a display of

1090
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:22.719
<v Speaker 2>how strong and how hard and how bad you are.

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01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:27.639
<v Speaker 2>And so there was like this counter movement of people saying,

1092
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:33.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's not brave. A brave person handles if

1093
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.760
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have, if you're gonna take it to that level,

1094
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:37.920
<v Speaker 2>then use your fists because you know you might take

1095
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:39.960
<v Speaker 2>an ass woman, but you live to fight another bag.

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01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, and here's I don't know, maybe that wasn't aside,

1097
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:48.960
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I mean this idea, you know, like, let's

1098
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:52.679
<v Speaker 1>because the level of fear, right, the level of bad

1099
01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:56.760
<v Speaker 1>judgment right, seems to go up exponentially as we hide

1100
01:04:56.760 --> 01:05:00.599
<v Speaker 1>behind a gun, like the cop story we talked about earlier,

1101
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:06.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, like that there they are, they have, you know,

1102
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:09.199
<v Speaker 1>weapons to their teeth. They've got all the ammunition and

1103
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the guns and the shields and the tasers in there,

1104
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:16.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, and they're still so fearful for their safety,

1105
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:21.119
<v Speaker 1>which is occasionally true, but on too many stories it's like, really,

1106
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:23.199
<v Speaker 1>what were you afraid of? Exactly?

1107
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:25.440
<v Speaker 2>He was black and so close, thank you.

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01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:30.039
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we owned a bar in a neighborhood

1109
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.960
<v Speaker 1>that did have some drugs and violence and you know,

1110
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:37.000
<v Speaker 1>nonsense going on around us. And I had friends who

1111
01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:39.360
<v Speaker 1>told me I was absolutely insane for not keeping a

1112
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:43.840
<v Speaker 1>gun in the bar, And I said, I actually want

1113
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:47.639
<v Speaker 1>to live, and I want my employees to live. And

1114
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:50.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're going to keep a weapon, now let me

1115
01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:52.440
<v Speaker 1>let me let me clarify. If you were going to

1116
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:56.079
<v Speaker 1>draw a weapon, only do so if you really are

1117
01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:59.599
<v Speaker 1>fully prepared to use it. Because if you think you're

1118
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.639
<v Speaker 1>going to pull a gun to scare someone and they

1119
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:05.760
<v Speaker 1>have a weapon, the likelihood that somebody's gonna die is

1120
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:06.440
<v Speaker 1>pretty high.

1121
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:09.480
<v Speaker 2>So you know, if you.

1122
01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Don't have the wherewithal two and the life of another

1123
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:16.920
<v Speaker 1>human being, don't pull a gun. Because pulling a gun

1124
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:20.840
<v Speaker 1>has never de escalated a situation, not one, not that

1125
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:22.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm aware of, not one, you know what I mean,

1126
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:25.000
<v Speaker 1>And certainly not here in the real world. I mean

1127
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:28.039
<v Speaker 1>maybe it does in the movies, but here in the

1128
01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:31.719
<v Speaker 1>real world, you know, pulling that weapon escalates, it builds it,

1129
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:37.159
<v Speaker 1>it makes it deadly. Err And so that was the

1130
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:40.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, I knew, yeah.

1131
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Because I think about like the confrontations that I had

1132
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:46.159
<v Speaker 2>when I was behind that bar, and if my words

1133
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:49.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't cut it in a few instances where like it

1134
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:51.880
<v Speaker 2>got to that level, I'll pull that bad out and

1135
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:52.639
<v Speaker 2>that was it.

1136
01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, right, but that's not a gun, right, that's

1137
01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:00.360
<v Speaker 1>my point, right, And we had panic buttons, and we

1138
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:03.840
<v Speaker 1>had cameras, and we had you know, like there are

1139
01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:06.800
<v Speaker 1>things that are deterrents. There are things, you know, and

1140
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I my point is we never had significant problems and

1141
01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:15.559
<v Speaker 1>we didn't have gun We did not. It's just, you know,

1142
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:20.199
<v Speaker 1>it's a I don't think we're more safe having got

1143
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:23.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, especially the kids around. And then you know,

1144
01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:28.039
<v Speaker 1>if the thing is locked up properly in a safe

1145
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:32.519
<v Speaker 1>and the weapons are all in, the bullets are either

1146
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:35.079
<v Speaker 1>elsewhere locked up or locked up with it by the

1147
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.559
<v Speaker 1>time you get done, you know what I mean, entering

1148
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:42.119
<v Speaker 1>to save this alleged person breaking in is going to

1149
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:45.599
<v Speaker 1>be in control, all right while you fumble and and

1150
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:49.639
<v Speaker 1>but the we don't look at the likelihood of those

1151
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:52.280
<v Speaker 1>things happening. I mean, we hear about them because it's

1152
01:07:53.000 --> 01:08:00.199
<v Speaker 1>much more rare now. And again the stories where the

1153
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:04.440
<v Speaker 1>villain was shot and the victim when unscathed are pretty

1154
01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:05.320
<v Speaker 1>rare as well.

1155
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Right. And let's not even get into like how fucking

1156
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:11.800
<v Speaker 2>easy it is to get a.

1157
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:16.439
<v Speaker 1>Gun, right, you know, less so in our state, thank you.

1158
01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:21.680
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not just people will go to great lengths

1159
01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:24.479
<v Speaker 1>and these are not This is an article about responsible

1160
01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:28.239
<v Speaker 1>gun ownership, learning how to properly handle the weapon, et cetera. Right,

1161
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:34.159
<v Speaker 1>and still I don't know. It still doesn't sit well

1162
01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:37.439
<v Speaker 1>with me. And you know, maybe it's because I'm such

1163
01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:42.840
<v Speaker 1>a pathifist. I don't know. But we've just gotten so

1164
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:46.279
<v Speaker 1>afraid of each other. And I can't help but feel

1165
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:52.239
<v Speaker 1>that that drives these kinds of politics, allows them to

1166
01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:54.680
<v Speaker 1>take hold. Again, we should be smarter than this in

1167
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:55.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four.

1168
01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:58.039
<v Speaker 2>They're playing into their hands.

1169
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Right, all the people that you know, certain people are

1170
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:06.399
<v Speaker 1>afraid of, they really should be, I guess, because this

1171
01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:09.159
<v Speaker 1>is going to escalate and keep going, you know. And

1172
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't blame I can't, especially people who have already

1173
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:15.800
<v Speaker 1>been a victim of violence or know someone who has

1174
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.000
<v Speaker 1>been based on their identity.

1175
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:19.399
<v Speaker 2>I get it.

1176
01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Just this does not sit well in my spirit.

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01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:30.159
<v Speaker 2>I would much rather read about queer people learning self defense.

1178
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:33.279
<v Speaker 2>So what I you know that? I mean, even if

1179
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:36.399
<v Speaker 2>it comes down to like something like krav Maga, Hey,

1180
01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:40.079
<v Speaker 2>like the idea of a young trans woman walking around

1181
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:42.560
<v Speaker 2>with that knowledge in her head, I'm cool with that.

1182
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm better with that, you know, I'm better with that.

1183
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:52.560
<v Speaker 1>But and again, because so often it doesn't end well, right, yeah,

1184
01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:55.000
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't want to be less safe because we

1185
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:56.880
<v Speaker 1>had a weapon in the bar. I didn't want, you know.

1186
01:09:57.359 --> 01:09:59.840
<v Speaker 1>And and when people are afraid, they their judgment is

1187
01:09:59.880 --> 01:10:02.359
<v Speaker 1>no its best right, you know.

1188
01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:06.199
<v Speaker 6>And and when you I mean, I know, for me,

1189
01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:10.399
<v Speaker 6>if I'm in a situation where I feel in any

1190
01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:14.800
<v Speaker 6>way concerned for my safety, my mind immediately goes to, Okay,

1191
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:17.239
<v Speaker 6>what is available to me at this moment.

1192
01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:21.960
<v Speaker 2>If a gun is not an option, you get creative

1193
01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:25.279
<v Speaker 2>and no one dies, right, you.

1194
01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:25.720
<v Speaker 6>Know what I mean?

1195
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Right? I mean, how many stories have there been about, like,

1196
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:30.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, the neighbor on drugs or drunk walks into

1197
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:33.199
<v Speaker 1>the wrong house and winds up dead.

1198
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:33.880
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1199
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:38.119
<v Speaker 1>It's just I don't know. I have a hard time

1200
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:43.079
<v Speaker 1>with the idea that meeting violence with violence is ever

1201
01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:45.720
<v Speaker 1>the answer. I have a hard time, you know, with

1202
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:52.319
<v Speaker 1>this constant escalation, and you know, from an otherwise peaceable people,

1203
01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:56.560
<v Speaker 1>because you know, the other thing is when we start

1204
01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:00.399
<v Speaker 1>to use the same tactics they use, I'm afraid the

1205
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:02.640
<v Speaker 1>consequences for us are going to be much more dire.

1206
01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Black Panthers, That's exactly.

1207
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:06.359
<v Speaker 1>What I'm thinking.

1208
01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, uh huh.

1209
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:12.439
<v Speaker 1>When they say, you know, good guy with the gun.

1210
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:17.880
<v Speaker 1>They don't mean us, right, and I I don't know,

1211
01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:23.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many times, how many times? You know,

1212
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:25.319
<v Speaker 1>I have a client who's got a record right now

1213
01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:31.520
<v Speaker 1>because he defended himself because he was jumped, sweetest, sweetest.

1214
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:33.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, defended himself with a gun, queer.

1215
01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Human, no knife, but but yeah, land of charge, just

1216
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:42.520
<v Speaker 1>like everyone else. And it was eleven to one. And

1217
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:45.479
<v Speaker 1>it's hideous to me that that happened, but it happened, right,

1218
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's got a few strikes against him.

1219
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Black, queer, poor.

1220
01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm mm hmmm, aka disposable, right, and having a

1221
01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:57.760
<v Speaker 1>hard time now with some things in life because of

1222
01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:00.640
<v Speaker 1>those tray and I look at situations like that, I'm like, shit,

1223
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:03.680
<v Speaker 1>this is what like, you know, we they don't let

1224
01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:08.600
<v Speaker 1>us play by their rules, Sarah. That's why we can't

1225
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:12.600
<v Speaker 1>usually play by theirs and expect to have the same.

1226
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:16.520
<v Speaker 1>How do I say this benefit of a doubt? How

1227
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:17.000
<v Speaker 1>about that?

1228
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Right? Right?

1229
01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:23.399
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm waiting for the story of the first

1230
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:27.640
<v Speaker 1>trans woman who you know, shoots and kills somebody's white

1231
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Christian son and what happens.

1232
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm, murderer.

1233
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:35.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we're going to hear about. I don't

1234
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:38.760
<v Speaker 1>think we're gonna hear justified in that case. That's that

1235
01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:42.399
<v Speaker 1>scares me more than I'm afraid of like random people

1236
01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:44.359
<v Speaker 1>walking around.

1237
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:45.800
<v Speaker 2>And with guns or whatever.

1238
01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:50.880
<v Speaker 1>No, that's real, is what you know is looking down

1239
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:55.199
<v Speaker 1>the road, looking down the road, I mean, you know

1240
01:12:55.279 --> 01:13:00.720
<v Speaker 1>how many and this is all minority in this country

1241
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:02.600
<v Speaker 1>right now. This is if you look like you might

1242
01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:04.840
<v Speaker 1>be an immigrant. This is if you know you've got

1243
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:07.840
<v Speaker 1>any degree of melanin in your skin. And this is

1244
01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:14.680
<v Speaker 1>certainly for gender and otherwise minority that the rules are different.

1245
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:18.479
<v Speaker 1>And that's the problem, you know, And what is being

1246
01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:21.840
<v Speaker 1>ramped up in this country right now is not a

1247
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:26.279
<v Speaker 1>nod toward justice for all. It's quite the opposite. And

1248
01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:30.800
<v Speaker 1>when we make decisions based in fear, they're almost never

1249
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:37.520
<v Speaker 1>good decisions, just saying, not when public policy is concerned.

1250
01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:38.000
<v Speaker 5>Not.

1251
01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:41.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, all this nonsense we know is just you know,

1252
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:43.319
<v Speaker 1>this stirring up, trying to stir up some fear of

1253
01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:45.279
<v Speaker 1>trans people, like of all the people to be afraid

1254
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:49.800
<v Speaker 1>of her crying out loud, right, But you know, nuggets

1255
01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:52.560
<v Speaker 1>of nuggets of this and that take hold then and

1256
01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:57.439
<v Speaker 1>make our lives exponentially harder, you know, but it's it's

1257
01:13:57.520 --> 01:14:01.800
<v Speaker 1>hard to imagine. And again, this is personal. All this is,

1258
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, two women that we were very close to

1259
01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:09.600
<v Speaker 1>both ate their gun as a solution to a problem

1260
01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:14.439
<v Speaker 1>that could have been vexed easily, pretty easily. You know,

1261
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the world was not ending, but it felt like it

1262
01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:21.680
<v Speaker 1>in the moment, and that happens. It happens, and anyone

1263
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:27.119
<v Speaker 1>who is predisposed to depression, you know, struggles with mental illness,

1264
01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, probably shouldn't have a gun, right, you know,

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01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and then it all the big guys get guns. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm sick of the argument, I really am.

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01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:39.159
<v Speaker 1>And you know, it was an interesting story and may

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01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, we'll see where it goes. Like It's

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<v Speaker 1>not I'm not preaching here, I'm just you know, my

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01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:52.239
<v Speaker 1>whole life I've watched and there are you know, higher

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01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:55.640
<v Speaker 1>When we listen to our higher angels, we make progress.

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01:14:56.199 --> 01:15:00.880
<v Speaker 1>When we listen to our base fears, we tend not to,

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01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:05.319
<v Speaker 1>and even more guns in the hands of even more humans.

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01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Right.

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01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't feel like a recipe for peace, does it.

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01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, of course not. And you know there's the

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01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:19.119
<v Speaker 2>fact that's been true for a long time. In this country,

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01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:23.119
<v Speaker 2>fear is big business, and we have an incoming president

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01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:25.079
<v Speaker 2>who values vengeance over justice.

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01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:31.520
<v Speaker 1>So right, right, Like I get it, but again I

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01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:35.760
<v Speaker 1>do wonder self defense. You know, better training is be

1282
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:38.319
<v Speaker 1>aware of your surroundings. Better training, you know, like we

1283
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:40.640
<v Speaker 1>used to do it, pen Like, hey, you're in the city.

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01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Now you have to be aware. There's just a who

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01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:46.640
<v Speaker 1>lot more people.

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01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Not to mention. You know, if you have knowledge of

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01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:57.960
<v Speaker 2>self defense techniques, it bolsters how you walk through the

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01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:02.800
<v Speaker 2>world period, and you tend to not find yourself in

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01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:05.680
<v Speaker 2>as many of those kind of situations.

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01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we both grew up in a house with

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01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:11.760
<v Speaker 1>guns on them. In the house my father had kept

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01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:15.520
<v Speaker 1>a shaku. Didn't have a pistol, but he kept a shakum.

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01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:19.479
<v Speaker 2>You know, my father had two guns.

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01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, well, he was a cop. That's different, right, But yeah,

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01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:29.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm just I don't know that it ever

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01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:36.159
<v Speaker 1>made me feel safe, the idea that there are weapons around, right,

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01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:40.039
<v Speaker 1>or the idea that you know, it's the only way

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01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:46.439
<v Speaker 1>to survive an attack of some kind. Uh, you know,

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01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:52.760
<v Speaker 1>because again in those and things happen in such a

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01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:58.760
<v Speaker 1>split second, you know, and again being overpowered for the

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01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:01.319
<v Speaker 1>gun that you're just you know what I mean, uncertain

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01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:04.800
<v Speaker 1>about having in the first place and having it turned

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01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:05.159
<v Speaker 1>on you.

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01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Because I already have that fear about knives. I have

1305
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:14.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of knives, and I always like think about

1306
01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:17.159
<v Speaker 2>like the design of the knife in my hand, like

1307
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:19.960
<v Speaker 2>how easily can this be taken from me? You know,

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01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:21.279
<v Speaker 2>that's things you got.

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01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:26.119
<v Speaker 1>To think about, right And I just, you know, I

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01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:28.600
<v Speaker 1>saw it, and my heart sank a little bit just

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01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:35.880
<v Speaker 1>because like I get it, but I got it, you know.

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01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I just when I think about, you know, peaceful resistance,

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01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I always think it makes more sense. And when I

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01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:48.560
<v Speaker 1>think about, you know, being unsafe, right, I don't know,

1315
01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:55.159
<v Speaker 1>this just doesn't I'm like, okay, okay, right, but yeah,

1316
01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:58.520
<v Speaker 1>it's I know, a lot of folks are feeling like,

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01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:00.840
<v Speaker 1>if you know, I can't protect myself, nobody else is

1318
01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:03.840
<v Speaker 1>going to. And I get where that is coming from.

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01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:06.920
<v Speaker 1>It's you know a lot of people are feeling betrayed

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01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:07.439
<v Speaker 1>right now.

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01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get it. I'm not going to pretend they

1322
01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:11.000
<v Speaker 2>don't get it.

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01:18:12.279 --> 01:18:16.479
<v Speaker 1>American gun culture has of course drastically shifted in recent years,

1324
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:20.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, And there was a quote in here that said,

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01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:24.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, twenty twenty was apparently a pivotal year because remember,

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01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:28.760
<v Speaker 1>we saw a lot more people buying guns because people

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01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:30.800
<v Speaker 1>felt uncertain and I guess, you know, it's the end

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01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:32.399
<v Speaker 1>of the world coming, Do I have to keep a gun?

1329
01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Do I have to whatever? It was a period of

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01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:38.600
<v Speaker 1>tremendous social unrest and social uncertainty, and a large number

1331
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of people in the United States under those conditions look

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01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:49.159
<v Speaker 1>to firearms to re establish some sense of safety and security.

1333
01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Racial and gender minorities led the way in terms of

1334
01:18:53.800 --> 01:18:58.800
<v Speaker 1>new gun ownership rates in twenty twenty and afterward. It's

1335
01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:02.039
<v Speaker 1>a false sense of safe in security. That's the problem.

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01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:05.359
<v Speaker 2>I'd think about several times in my life where if

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01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:08.439
<v Speaker 2>I'd had a gun, we might not be sitting here

1338
01:19:08.479 --> 01:19:09.479
<v Speaker 2>having this conversation.

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01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:13.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, right, and that's part of the problem. Well, you

1340
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:15.520
<v Speaker 1>don't have one anywhere on your person or near you

1341
01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:20.279
<v Speaker 1>when the cops show up, guess what? And that's my point, Well, yeah,

1342
01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:23.079
<v Speaker 1>that if they're already afraid of you and you have

1343
01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:27.279
<v Speaker 1>a weapon, right God, And that's the first thing. Are

1344
01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:29.680
<v Speaker 1>we not paying attention? That's the first thing you'll hear

1345
01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:31.119
<v Speaker 1>people ask, well, did he have a gun?

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01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

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01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:37.239
<v Speaker 1>And when we say he was unarmed. You know, like, well,

1348
01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:39.159
<v Speaker 1>what if he was armed. What if he had a

1349
01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:41.319
<v Speaker 1>permit to carry it and he was armed, and he's

1350
01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:44.600
<v Speaker 1>still dead because he was armed, because the cop was

1351
01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:47.520
<v Speaker 1>afraid of the fact that someone the cop is afraid

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01:19:47.560 --> 01:19:49.000
<v Speaker 1>of was armed.

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01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:52.560
<v Speaker 2>What do we do? I mean, you know, we have

1354
01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:56.800
<v Speaker 2>evidence to the fact that it doesn't even have to

1355
01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:00.960
<v Speaker 2>be a gun for cops to think you have one, right,

1356
01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:03.359
<v Speaker 2>it could be a wallet, it could be a phone.

1357
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Right, you know, there have been responsible gun safety classes happening,

1358
01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:13.479
<v Speaker 1>Thank god, I guess despite people's hopes this is out

1359
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:17.439
<v Speaker 1>of the article about increasing their safety. Researchers have found

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01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:22.159
<v Speaker 1>that higher rates of gun ownership and access is correlated

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01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:29.039
<v Speaker 1>with higher rates of gun related homicides, suicides, accidental deaths,

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01:20:29.079 --> 01:20:30.039
<v Speaker 1>and injuries.

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01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:36.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's the thing. If you know, if you're

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01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:39.239
<v Speaker 1>so afraid, in a moment of fear, you pull that gun,

1366
01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:42.239
<v Speaker 1>you shoot, and you kill your own kid, you know,

1367
01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:46.119
<v Speaker 1>who's broken into your house and has another kid. There's

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01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:47.000
<v Speaker 1>just so many.

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01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Scenarios and you cannot unwring that.

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01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Back, right, You can't undie a person right, right, when

1371
01:20:53.079 --> 01:20:56.079
<v Speaker 1>you calm down and realize that this was you know,

1372
01:20:57.159 --> 01:21:04.600
<v Speaker 1>an excessive use of force. And you know, eighty five percent,

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01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:09.279
<v Speaker 1>according to the article of suicides attempted with firearms lead

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01:21:09.359 --> 01:21:12.760
<v Speaker 1>to death. Yeah, you know, you've got to pay attention

1375
01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to mental health in this situation. You've got to really

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01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:20.119
<v Speaker 1>think about yeah, having it, you know. And then the

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01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:22.319
<v Speaker 1>person who, one of the people that game man that

1378
01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:26.439
<v Speaker 1>they profile in the article, purchased an AR fifteen is their.

1379
01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:28.239
<v Speaker 2>First gun Jesus Christ.

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01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because their official gender identifications are non specific, which

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01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:38.680
<v Speaker 1>could alert authorities to the fact that they are non binary.

1382
01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:41.520
<v Speaker 1>And they feared that they may not be able to

1383
01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:43.479
<v Speaker 1>buy a gun in the future. So let's, I guess,

1384
01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:46.680
<v Speaker 1>start with an AR fifteen. I'd rather be prepared, but

1385
01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:48.399
<v Speaker 1>prepared for.

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01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:52.840
<v Speaker 2>What, right, And let's not even get into the whole

1387
01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:56.039
<v Speaker 2>ghost gun thing where you can three D print a gun,

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01:21:56.319 --> 01:21:57.760
<v Speaker 2>I know, and put it together.

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01:21:57.800 --> 01:21:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and don't twist it. I'm a good shot.

1390
01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:07.039
<v Speaker 1>I grew up here among hunters. Okay, so I'm not unfamiliar.

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01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:12.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually not unfamiliar with gun safety. And it's not

1392
01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:18.159
<v Speaker 1>a it's not a lack of knowledge. It's it's all

1393
01:22:18.159 --> 01:22:22.399
<v Speaker 1>the other stuff, right, it's all the other stuff that

1394
01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:26.239
<v Speaker 1>gives me pause. And as you know, a nation, as

1395
01:22:26.279 --> 01:22:29.680
<v Speaker 1>we enter into these it's like what have we wrought?

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01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:33.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, right, because all that fear hasn't made us

1397
01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:34.279
<v Speaker 1>actually safer.

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01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think about like what my father always said

1399
01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:39.760
<v Speaker 2>about guns. He was like, a gun is designed for

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01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:43.159
<v Speaker 2>one purpose and one purpose only. It is not self defense.

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01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:47.239
<v Speaker 2>It is not a warning, it is not stopping power.

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01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:51.279
<v Speaker 2>It is designed to kill, period period. Yep.

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01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:53.399
<v Speaker 1>That's what it's for. That's what it does. That's what

1404
01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:58.039
<v Speaker 1>it's for. And when you introduce it, know that, know

1405
01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:02.840
<v Speaker 1>that search deep because you can hypothetically think you can

1406
01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:05.039
<v Speaker 1>pull a name of gun, but if there's a moment's

1407
01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:09.159
<v Speaker 1>pause in there, now it's pointed at you. And that's

1408
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:12.319
<v Speaker 1>the thing. It's that, you know, an eye for an

1409
01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:17.720
<v Speaker 1>eye man, Not the way I want to live, Not

1410
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:21.039
<v Speaker 1>a civilized society, you know what I mean? Like that's

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01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the way.

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01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:24.720
<v Speaker 2>It's The wild wild West was a point of history

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01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:26.039
<v Speaker 2>for a reason.

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01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Right right, And that was because we couldn't live peacefully

1415
01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:32.720
<v Speaker 1>with Indigenous Americans and stuff like that, you know, and

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01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the people that were going at each other.

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01:23:34.640 --> 01:23:35.479
<v Speaker 2>It did the whole thing.

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01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:44.520
<v Speaker 1>And then there's that and again fear nothing more dangerous

1419
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:48.920
<v Speaker 1>than white people afraid chaw inconvenience.

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01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I always think about that little section in Bowling for Columbine.

1421
01:23:53.960 --> 01:23:56.720
<v Speaker 2>The little animated section was basically the history of white

1422
01:23:56.720 --> 01:24:00.439
<v Speaker 2>people in America, and everything was like and they got scared,

1423
01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:02.840
<v Speaker 2>so then then they were still scared, so then and

1424
01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:06.960
<v Speaker 2>there still scared. Yeah. And I you know, the fact

1425
01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:09.199
<v Speaker 2>that it was put so bluntly, I was like, damn,

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01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:11.680
<v Speaker 2>that is exactly what that is, right and all it's

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01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:12.800
<v Speaker 2>ever been right.

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01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:16.199
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, you know, this is what we're spending

1429
01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:18.319
<v Speaker 1>our time on, is learning how to use weapons instead

1430
01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:20.800
<v Speaker 1>of worrying about one another's mental health, instead of you know,

1431
01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:24.760
<v Speaker 1>building community and figuring out ways that we stay in community,

1432
01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:28.600
<v Speaker 1>because really connection is what saves us. Ultimately, connection saves

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01:24:28.680 --> 01:24:29.439
<v Speaker 1>human being.

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01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, creating more situations where people feel safe, and the

1435
01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:35.840
<v Speaker 2>idea of even needing a gun doesn't even enter the equation.

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01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but of course connection to the same people, because some.

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01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Connection doesn't work out that way.

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01:24:44.680 --> 01:24:48.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking church at this point. You know, I'm not

1439
01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:52.199
<v Speaker 1>saying I have an answer here exactly, but you know,

1440
01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:56.640
<v Speaker 1>things just keep escalating and getting worse, and we've never

1441
01:24:56.720 --> 01:24:59.720
<v Speaker 1>had more cameras everywhere, and we've never had more, you know,

1442
01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:04.279
<v Speaker 1>of everything else. I just I don't know, I don't know.

1443
01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it's just a sad thing. I think that

1444
01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:12.039
<v Speaker 1>we're having this conversation that it's you know, in today's newspaper,

1445
01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:15.119
<v Speaker 1>that people are feeling that unsafe and that they think

1446
01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:19.000
<v Speaker 1>this is a road to safety. Right, it's a false

1447
01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>sense of security. I agree, And yeah, people are gonna

1448
01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:25.560
<v Speaker 1>wind up dead. And I'm afraid it's going to be us.

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01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:30.720
<v Speaker 1>The queer is carrying the guns, the trans people carrying

1450
01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:33.359
<v Speaker 1>the gun. I am very much afraid of us being

1451
01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:34.359
<v Speaker 1>out there armed.

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01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Especially if it's made public that enough of us are

1453
01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:41.479
<v Speaker 2>carrying guns, right right, I just you know, because don't

1454
01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:44.880
<v Speaker 2>think that the man won't start a fight for no

1455
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:46.880
<v Speaker 2>reason other than you know, and.

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01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:50.159
<v Speaker 1>They're over there, right Just because you white and queer

1457
01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:54.600
<v Speaker 1>or wait in trance doesn't exactly you were completely exempt.

1458
01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:56.600
<v Speaker 1>But you need to pay a little bit of attention

1459
01:25:56.640 --> 01:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>to what has happened traditionally to minority communities who warm themselves.

1460
01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:01.800
<v Speaker 1>You just got to kind of pay attention to that.

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01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:04.359
<v Speaker 2>And no go, I was literally with my mouth to say, like,

1462
01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:10.760
<v Speaker 2>because let's not forget about again Greenwood, Black Wall Street.

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01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:14.439
<v Speaker 2>No one was no one was bothering anybody, they were

1464
01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:18.279
<v Speaker 2>minding themselves. But the fact that they were, you know,

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01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:25.520
<v Speaker 2>self sufficient, and you know it was that was a threat. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:30.960
<v Speaker 2>so you know, organized queers with guns, it's a threat.

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01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is a threat. And if the government decides

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01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:36.399
<v Speaker 1>to meet you with.

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01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:41.319
<v Speaker 2>Force, they can afford more guns than you'll buy a lot,

1470
01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:43.479
<v Speaker 2>m by a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fucked up, well what it is, and it's just

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01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:47.399
<v Speaker 1>I find it disheartening.

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01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:50.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a better answer other than it is

1475
01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:51.920
<v Speaker 1>a false sense of security.

1476
01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, do you feel like you got it

1477
01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:56.960
<v Speaker 2>off your spirit? Though?

1478
01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:02.319
<v Speaker 1>No, not really, but probably enough to move on, I get.

1479
01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:07.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a solid conclusion other than think four times,

1480
01:27:07.920 --> 01:27:12.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, is this really gonna make me safer? Beyond

1481
01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:15.960
<v Speaker 1>just that false sense of security? Am I really prepared

1482
01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to use a weapon? Am I willing to and ready

1483
01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:24.439
<v Speaker 1>to take the life of another human being? And just

1484
01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:29.239
<v Speaker 1>all that, just all of it belongs in the thought process.

1485
01:27:29.800 --> 01:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>And again, when minorities start to arm themselves, doesn't always

1486
01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:38.560
<v Speaker 1>go well for the minorities word, and we should just

1487
01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>be aware of that exactly. Yeah, I guess that's what

1488
01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:45.119
<v Speaker 1>I got. Oh, t BTQ plus parents are rushing to

1489
01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:49.359
<v Speaker 1>safeguard their parental rights because Trump is going to be

1490
01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>president again. Twenty twenty five has some ominous provisions about

1491
01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>queer parenthood, but there are processes in place to protect oneself.

1492
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Named.

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01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Meghan Alexander told The Advocate she usually receives about three

1494
01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:08.119
<v Speaker 1>calls a week from queer parents seeking second parent adoptions.

1495
01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:11.079
<v Speaker 1>The week Trump won, she filed a twenty six call.

1496
01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:15.399
<v Speaker 1>Since then, they've kept coming. Project twenty twenty five believe

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01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>to be the blueprint for the Trump administration, essentially calls

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01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to eliminate our rights yep and states quote, only heterosexual

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01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:29.079
<v Speaker 1>two parent families are safe for children, even though we

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01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>know that's not true.

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01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:32.079
<v Speaker 2>That's documented proof of that.

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01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:32.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

1503
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, the advice is the same as it's been for

1504
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the last couple of decades, which is to do a

1505
01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>second parent adoption. Alexander explained. It do not depend on

1506
01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>the federal government or the gay right to marry to

1507
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:47.399
<v Speaker 1>give you parental rights.

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01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm sorry, only heterosexual two parent families are safe

1509
01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:55.960
<v Speaker 2>for children. How many heterosexual two parent families have kicked

1510
01:28:55.960 --> 01:28:56.680
<v Speaker 2>their kids out?

1511
01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:02.279
<v Speaker 1>We're molested them, has sucked them up for life. Uh huh, yeah,

1512
01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I know.

1513
01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I got you know, I didn't want to have you

1514
01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:08.960
<v Speaker 2>in my life as quote unquote ruins, I'm going to

1515
01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:11.239
<v Speaker 2>take it out on you for the rest of your life. Yeah.

1516
01:29:11.319 --> 01:29:13.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's people that have to move around the

1517
01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:18.000
<v Speaker 1>country to be safe and it's excruciating. But even second

1518
01:29:18.039 --> 01:29:22.239
<v Speaker 1>parent adoptions are not bulletproof in some states. A twenty

1519
01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:27.039
<v Speaker 1>twenty three report from a coalition of queer advocacy groups

1520
01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:30.239
<v Speaker 1>explains that second parent adoption can be used to establish

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01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>a legal relationship between a parent and a child, or

1522
01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>to obtain an adoption decree for someone who is already

1523
01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>a legal parent through another pathway to present to parentage,

1524
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:45.399
<v Speaker 1>such as the marital presumption. That presumption, however, can be

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01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:50.279
<v Speaker 1>challenged in some states. As such, even couples who are

1526
01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:53.800
<v Speaker 1>married cannot rely on it and may need to consider

1527
01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:58.479
<v Speaker 1>taking further steps to protect themselves. This is actually protecting yourself,

1528
01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, right, See, the best way

1529
01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:05.319
<v Speaker 1>for queer parents to protect their family is to ensure

1530
01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:08.279
<v Speaker 1>that the parent child relationship is secure in all states

1531
01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:12.760
<v Speaker 1>by obtaining a coret order of parentage or adoption. This

1532
01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>is true even if queer parents are married and on

1533
01:30:16.600 --> 01:30:18.159
<v Speaker 1>their child's birth certificate.

1534
01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:22.399
<v Speaker 2>Damn, so many extra fucking steps.

1535
01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:25.479
<v Speaker 1>For married couples. Being on your child's birth certificate reflects

1536
01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:28.359
<v Speaker 1>the legal presumption that any child born into marriage is

1537
01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:32.079
<v Speaker 1>the child of both parents. Still, there is a difference

1538
01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>between a legal presumption and a legal judgment establishing parentage.

1539
01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Each state must respect valid legal judgments of other states.

1540
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:45.800
<v Speaker 1>This is true for both parentage orders and adoption decrees,

1541
01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>and it is what sets them apart from parentage that

1542
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>arises out of state law or doctrine. It is what

1543
01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:59.600
<v Speaker 1>makes them stronger. Parentage orders are not as effective as

1544
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>second parent adoptions, at least in Texas where Alexander practices,

1545
01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:09.399
<v Speaker 1>because these orders have not been challenged extensively in court. Adoptions,

1546
01:31:09.439 --> 01:31:14.479
<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, have been repeatedly upheld. Adoptions are

1547
01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:19.880
<v Speaker 1>just more universally recognized. It's worth considering. These are the

1548
01:31:19.920 --> 01:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>considerations that I think are important. These are the things

1549
01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:27.920
<v Speaker 1>to think about, right right, Because wouldn't it suck to

1550
01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:30.319
<v Speaker 1>go through all that so that you have all your

1551
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>rights secured and then you have a gun in the

1552
01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>house and you know your kid finds it, just saying right, yeah,

1553
01:31:37.960 --> 01:31:40.479
<v Speaker 1>let's be smarter than them. Is I guess where I'm

1554
01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:44.800
<v Speaker 1>going with this. So you know, mentioning Florida, there are

1555
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:48.479
<v Speaker 1>transcendmates currently being forced to cut their hair short and

1556
01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:53.560
<v Speaker 1>undergo breast exams. One ACL lawyer compared Florida's new prison

1557
01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>policy to conversion therapy.

1558
01:31:55.960 --> 01:32:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I saw this and I was like, fuck.

1559
01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The AICALU of Florida is of course suing in

1560
01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:08.359
<v Speaker 1>the state's Department of Corrections because their new anti trans

1561
01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:12.319
<v Speaker 1>policy will restrict transprisoners' access to gender affirming medical care

1562
01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:16.720
<v Speaker 1>as well as their ability to express their gender identity. Yep,

1563
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:23.640
<v Speaker 1>oh god, it is a non constitutional ban on gender

1564
01:32:23.640 --> 01:32:27.239
<v Speaker 1>firming care. Of course, obviously we're waiting for the ruling.

1565
01:32:27.960 --> 01:32:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Under the new policy, Florida prisons will only provide inmates

1566
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:36.520
<v Speaker 1>diagnosed with gender dysphoria with therapy. Trans inmates will not

1567
01:32:36.640 --> 01:32:40.079
<v Speaker 1>have access to gender affirming hormone therapy except in rare

1568
01:32:40.159 --> 01:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>instances when it is deemed necessary to comply with the

1569
01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>US Constitution or a court decision. M wow, here's what

1570
01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>the policy says, motherfuckers. Unaddressed psychiatric issues and unaddressed childhood

1571
01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>trauma could lead to a misdiagnosis of gender dysphoria FAKIA.

1572
01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:05.199
<v Speaker 1>Gender affirming hormone therapy may be requested by persons experiencing

1573
01:33:05.239 --> 01:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>short term delusions or beliefs, which may later be changed

1574
01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:14.159
<v Speaker 1>and reversed. Uh, that's how this works, only in your minds,

1575
01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:17.439
<v Speaker 1>not how this works. No, it's really not. Goddamn it,

1576
01:33:17.439 --> 01:33:21.159
<v Speaker 1>it's so not. I'm not saying never, but dear God,

1577
01:33:21.960 --> 01:33:26.159
<v Speaker 1>dear God. That's like saying your wife may regret those

1578
01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:27.439
<v Speaker 1>silicon titties.

1579
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:28.119
<v Speaker 2>She might.

1580
01:33:28.800 --> 01:33:32.760
<v Speaker 1>She's got a much higher likelihood of regretting that than

1581
01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>we do of you know, gender affirming medicine. But that's

1582
01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:38.479
<v Speaker 1>just you know facts, and what do we need those for,

1583
01:33:38.880 --> 01:33:44.079
<v Speaker 1>right Pushall incarcerated trans women were told that trans inmates

1584
01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>would be reevaluated to determine whether they would still be

1585
01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>allowed access to their healthcare and other accommodations they were

1586
01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>already receiving. Yeah, they were not told how prison officials

1587
01:33:56.600 --> 01:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>would determine whether they would still be allowed access to care.

1588
01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>So far, no inmates reported being taken off hormone therapy.

1589
01:34:04.760 --> 01:34:08.479
<v Speaker 1>More than a dozen incarcerated trans women told the newspaper

1590
01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:11.720
<v Speaker 1>they have already been forced to cut their hair short,

1591
01:34:16.640 --> 01:34:20.319
<v Speaker 1>the reporting being subjected to breast examinations to determine whether

1592
01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:23.079
<v Speaker 1>or not they would still be allowed access to bras.

1593
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Wow, yep, the prison system is already designed for dehumanization.

1594
01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:31.520
<v Speaker 2>But god damn.

1595
01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Many of them are already incarcerated in men's prisons. M

1596
01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:44.319
<v Speaker 1>a trans woman they spoke to, that her gender dysphoria

1597
01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:49.119
<v Speaker 1>diagnosis was now considered a serious psychiatric illness. She was

1598
01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:51.920
<v Speaker 1>told she would have to removed to a more restrictive

1599
01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:57.079
<v Speaker 1>facility with fewer work and programming opportunities if she wants

1600
01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:03.479
<v Speaker 1>to continue receiving treatment, They're told the Marshall Project. After

1601
01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:06.760
<v Speaker 1>spending ten days in solitary for refusing to cut her hair,

1602
01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:10.760
<v Speaker 1>a prison barber buzzed her hair short while she was handcuffed.

1603
01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:15.159
<v Speaker 1>I feel like they're taking away my identity.

1604
01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and your humanity and yep, your fucking ugh.

1605
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Previous court decisions have held that prisons in the US

1606
01:35:26.319 --> 01:35:30.159
<v Speaker 1>are required under the Constitution to provide gender affirming care

1607
01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:30.760
<v Speaker 1>as needed.

1608
01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1609
01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Psychiatrist Dan Krossik University of California, San Francisco, who

1610
01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>helped develop international standards to the treatment of transgender people,

1611
01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:47.319
<v Speaker 1>told the Marshall Project that Florida's knew anti trans prison

1612
01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>policies were a fig leaf on the state's efforts to

1613
01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:54.760
<v Speaker 1>ban gender affirming care. Yeah, that's putting it nicely.

1614
01:35:56.399 --> 01:35:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

1615
01:35:58.840 --> 01:36:06.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry. Yeah, this is the stuff Nellie Fitzpatrick

1616
01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:10.720
<v Speaker 1>was fighting. Yeah, if you recall directly, Yeah, that interview,

1617
01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:15.720
<v Speaker 1>go back and listen. Well, you know, Timmy Baldwin, by

1618
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:18.239
<v Speaker 1>the way, and twenty other senators did try to strike

1619
01:36:18.279 --> 01:36:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the anti transprovision from the Defense bill with no luck.

1620
01:36:22.239 --> 01:36:25.359
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, eighty one Democrats signed on.

1621
01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:27.479
<v Speaker 2>And stuck them exactly in the ear.

1622
01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:30.039
<v Speaker 1>The Pulse night Club is going to be torn down,

1623
01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:33.359
<v Speaker 1>which many have said is really the only way to

1624
01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:39.359
<v Speaker 1>deal with right that. The Pulse Memorial Advisory Committee took

1625
01:36:39.399 --> 01:36:42.359
<v Speaker 1>a pivotal step toward honoring the legacy of forty nine

1626
01:36:42.399 --> 01:36:45.880
<v Speaker 1>lives lost and the resilience of survivals in the wake

1627
01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of the Pulse night Club tragedy.

1628
01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the whole thing is going to be turned

1629
01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:50.159
<v Speaker 2>into a.

1630
01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Memorial now, right So, designers, members of the community, leaders, survivors,

1631
01:36:56.640 --> 01:36:59.479
<v Speaker 1>and families of the victims met at City Hall to

1632
01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:03.239
<v Speaker 1>review to refine proposals for a commemorative piece that will

1633
01:37:03.239 --> 01:37:06.399
<v Speaker 1>stand as a begon of love, unity, and hope. Quote.

1634
01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>For those who think this is closure, that this ends

1635
01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>grief and ends the pain, it doesn't work that way.

1636
01:37:12.439 --> 01:37:14.279
<v Speaker 1>What it does do, however, is kind of put a

1637
01:37:14.319 --> 01:37:16.960
<v Speaker 1>dot at the end of the sentence that's been open

1638
01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:20.079
<v Speaker 1>for a very long time, said Nancy Rosatto, Pulse Memorial

1639
01:37:20.119 --> 01:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Advisory Committee. It was the last chance for the committee

1640
01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:25.640
<v Speaker 1>to agree on what should stay or go.

1641
01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:29.439
<v Speaker 2>I think it's powerful. They're going to use the dance

1642
01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:32.560
<v Speaker 2>floor and like as part of the design of whatever

1643
01:37:32.640 --> 01:37:37.359
<v Speaker 2>ends up being there, and that's a powerful symbol. You know.

1644
01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:40.920
<v Speaker 1>There there were points in the story where there was

1645
01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:45.159
<v Speaker 1>not a lot of agreements, so you know, I guess

1646
01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:50.359
<v Speaker 1>coming to terms is actually I get them, yeah, and

1647
01:37:50.399 --> 01:37:53.319
<v Speaker 1>hopefully we can move on. But you know, I don't know,

1648
01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and they could make people walk through. I kind of

1649
01:37:56.960 --> 01:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>want Florida politicians stuff to it's been the night there,

1650
01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:09.039
<v Speaker 1>hm hm. Anyway, Yeah, some idiot who refused to use

1651
01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:12.520
<v Speaker 1>a trans student's pronouns is getting a payday from their

1652
01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>school district. That's just some more bullshit exactly. Yeah, because

1653
01:38:17.600 --> 01:38:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the teacher says mistrans could suffer from underlying trauma and

1654
01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:21.600
<v Speaker 1>mental illness.

1655
01:38:22.960 --> 01:38:27.479
<v Speaker 2>Wow, this is why trauma caused by people like Wow.

1656
01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:31.760
<v Speaker 1>They paid a settlement of four hundred and fifty thousand

1657
01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:35.119
<v Speaker 1>dollars because the teacher said she was forced to residey

1658
01:38:35.119 --> 01:38:38.319
<v Speaker 1>after refusing to druss students by their trans names at

1659
01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:44.920
<v Speaker 1>personal proteos. Vivian Garrity was an English teacher that's rich

1660
01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:49.720
<v Speaker 1>for two years in a middle school. Two years.

1661
01:38:50.079 --> 01:38:50.399
<v Speaker 2>Damn.

1662
01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Garrity, a Christian, reportedly neither faced any kind of complaint

1663
01:38:55.880 --> 01:39:00.159
<v Speaker 1>or disciplinary action about her work, nor communicated openly about

1664
01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>her religious beliefs while at school.

1665
01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Why don't I believe that?

1666
01:39:03.920 --> 01:39:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, while she was doing That's exactly what she was

1667
01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:06.560
<v Speaker 1>fucking doing.

1668
01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Yeah.

1669
01:39:07.880 --> 01:39:11.319
<v Speaker 1>The Star County School District has a policy requiring teachers

1670
01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:15.159
<v Speaker 1>to participate in the social transition of gender nonconforming students

1671
01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>by using names in pronouns consistent with each student's gender identity.

1672
01:39:19.720 --> 01:39:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Here's the part where she talked to Vanner religion, but

1673
01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:27.039
<v Speaker 1>her faith believes that God only creates two districted sexes. Well,

1674
01:39:27.079 --> 01:39:30.359
<v Speaker 1>her faith is ridiculous and limited, has no actual factual

1675
01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:34.359
<v Speaker 1>biological basis. But okay, male are female, and that rejection

1676
01:39:34.399 --> 01:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>of one's biological sex is a rejection of the image

1677
01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:42.359
<v Speaker 1>of God within that person. God is strands honey, right, Sorry,

1678
01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:44.319
<v Speaker 1>if we're all made in the image of God, God

1679
01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>is both male and female. Huh think about it. Oh no,

1680
01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:53.479
<v Speaker 1>that hurts right exactly. She couldn't use names and pronouns

1681
01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:56.439
<v Speaker 1>that contradict the legal names in gender assigned to people

1682
01:39:56.479 --> 01:40:00.640
<v Speaker 1>at their birth that would affirm concepts she saw untrue

1683
01:40:01.359 --> 01:40:05.119
<v Speaker 1>and violate biblical commands. All right, you're in a public school.

1684
01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so she's an English teacher. So what happens when

1685
01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:15.560
<v Speaker 2>we get to the class where we actually talk about pronouns?

1686
01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:16.840
<v Speaker 2>What do you just not do it?

1687
01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Fuck?

1688
01:40:17.439 --> 01:40:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Nugget?

1689
01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:20.439
<v Speaker 1>So she claimed to religion. That's why she can't follow

1690
01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:23.399
<v Speaker 1>district policy. They told her she could not set her

1691
01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:29.800
<v Speaker 1>religious convictions aside. She should resign. Yeah, agreed, right, But

1692
01:40:30.079 --> 01:40:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why she got a pay day for this.

1693
01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Violated her First Amendment rights to freedom of religion.

1694
01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:38.479
<v Speaker 2>Really, what about the.

1695
01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Kids' rights to freedom from her religion?

1696
01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:48.680
<v Speaker 2>That because isn't freedom from religion part of religious freedom?

1697
01:40:49.119 --> 01:40:53.560
<v Speaker 1>In her lawyers? Of course? Uh, let's say the anti

1698
01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ plus Christian nationalists legal advocacy group Alliance Defending Freedom.

1699
01:41:00.039 --> 01:41:04.560
<v Speaker 1>There's the bitches again said trans identities are quote a

1700
01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:08.319
<v Speaker 1>matter of national and local public debate and concern because

1701
01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:12.880
<v Speaker 1>you made it so there's no sane person debating us.

1702
01:41:13.079 --> 01:41:16.239
<v Speaker 1>You idiots are creating the situation.

1703
01:41:18.319 --> 01:41:22.319
<v Speaker 2>The walk, Yeah, and then blaming nobody for it.

1704
01:41:22.399 --> 01:41:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Nobody should be forced to facilitate another person's transitioning when

1705
01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:28.520
<v Speaker 1>they themselves disagree with that.

1706
01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:30.439
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you and your disagreement.

1707
01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and of course they quote the cast for you

1708
01:41:35.119 --> 01:41:41.319
<v Speaker 1>such bullshit, Oh my god, mm hmmm, which they point

1709
01:41:41.319 --> 01:41:44.760
<v Speaker 1>to his proof of something, which of course it isn't. Wow.

1710
01:41:45.560 --> 01:41:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Well mm hmm. She's found it difficult to apply for

1711
01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:52.680
<v Speaker 1>employment in other public school good because she has no

1712
01:41:52.760 --> 01:41:55.960
<v Speaker 1>recommendation from her district's superintendent. Of course she doesn't.

1713
01:41:56.119 --> 01:42:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Good. Yeah, not even the first time I know this

1714
01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:06.800
<v Speaker 2>shit has happened.

1715
01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:11.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, if that's not nonsense, I don't know what is word? Yeah,

1716
01:42:11.159 --> 01:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>four and fifty thousand dollars. Well, actually the headline said

1717
01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:19.119
<v Speaker 1>forty five thousand, but then the article said four un and.

1718
01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Fifty Either one is way too much money.

1719
01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:25.720
<v Speaker 1>There's way too much money for this ignorant bitch who

1720
01:42:25.920 --> 01:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>did this for a payday, who aligned with these people

1721
01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:30.439
<v Speaker 1>for this agenda.

1722
01:42:30.479 --> 01:42:32.399
<v Speaker 2>What's you going to spend it? An? I am believing

1723
01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:34.840
<v Speaker 2>that twelve foot cris and gasoline.

1724
01:42:34.840 --> 01:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>What do you have to say to intersex people? They

1725
01:42:37.079 --> 01:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>don't actually exist? Huh, what do you have to say

1726
01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:46.640
<v Speaker 1>to them? And how dare you again and tell human

1727
01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:50.079
<v Speaker 1>beings you know them better than themselves and act as

1728
01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:53.520
<v Speaker 1>if you know we all have all this trauma. No,

1729
01:42:53.640 --> 01:42:57.520
<v Speaker 1>we don't. The trauma comes from people like this, ah,

1730
01:42:58.800 --> 01:43:03.680
<v Speaker 1>not inherently from being trans or queer or non binary

1731
01:43:03.960 --> 01:43:07.159
<v Speaker 1>or anywhere on our beautiful spectrum. Right, That's not where

1732
01:43:07.159 --> 01:43:11.079
<v Speaker 1>the bullshit comes from, folks, comes from a shit like this.

1733
01:43:13.159 --> 01:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we should all have guns. You don't mean that,

1734
01:43:17.079 --> 01:43:22.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't, but I gotta say I think we should

1735
01:43:22.119 --> 01:43:25.199
<v Speaker 1>take a break. Yeah, and then come back and cleintense

1736
01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:27.479
<v Speaker 1>palates because this is just you know, I just dug

1737
01:43:27.560 --> 01:43:30.479
<v Speaker 1>myself deeper into a hole. Yeah, let's climb out of it.

1738
01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:31.880
<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back.

1739
01:43:42.439 --> 01:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, no one has ever asked me that question.

1740
01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:48.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a great question, something I've been thinking a

1741
01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:49.079
<v Speaker 4>lot about.

1742
01:43:49.680 --> 01:43:50.800
<v Speaker 1>That's a really good question.

1743
01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:53.680
<v Speaker 4>Okay, let me explain to you about sex.

1744
01:43:54.279 --> 01:43:57.800
<v Speaker 2>And then I was like, oh my god. Also, there's

1745
01:43:57.840 --> 01:43:59.000
<v Speaker 2>no Santa Claus.

1746
01:44:00.039 --> 01:44:02.159
<v Speaker 1>At Chicks on Top podcast with Auntie Bis.

1747
01:44:02.359 --> 01:44:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Great questions, even better answers.

1748
01:44:09.640 --> 01:44:12.600
<v Speaker 5>Do you love true crime but are looking for something different.

1749
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1750
01:44:16.039 --> 01:44:17.720
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1751
01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:20.960
<v Speaker 5>Do you love history but want to hear about what

1752
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:22.319
<v Speaker 5>they didn't teach you in school?

1753
01:44:23.319 --> 01:44:26.359
<v Speaker 4>Do you like laughing awkwardly about cases that are bizarre

1754
01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:27.840
<v Speaker 4>and a little strange?

1755
01:44:28.359 --> 01:44:32.319
<v Speaker 5>Then we have the podcast for you. Join me Lindsey

1756
01:44:32.840 --> 01:44:37.640
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1757
01:44:37.960 --> 01:44:40.680
<v Speaker 5>strange and obscure crimes of yesteryear.

1758
01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:45.239
<v Speaker 4>Listen every Wednesday wherever you get your podcasts.

1759
01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:48.479
<v Speaker 5>And we'll see you next time with another tale as

1760
01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:49.239
<v Speaker 5>old as crime.

1761
01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:02.239
<v Speaker 1>And we're back.

1762
01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:03.640
<v Speaker 2>We're back.

1763
01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:07.760
<v Speaker 1>So what have we been watching? Let's talk about what

1764
01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:08.640
<v Speaker 1>we've been watching.

1765
01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:11.840
<v Speaker 2>We actually had some time on our hands to watch

1766
01:45:11.880 --> 01:45:14.600
<v Speaker 2>something a little bit well. The first thing on the

1767
01:45:14.680 --> 01:45:16.640
<v Speaker 2>list I actually watched while I was at work because

1768
01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:21.199
<v Speaker 2>it was short. So on Christmas Day there was some

1769
01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:25.560
<v Speaker 2>football thing on Netflix and I heard that for the

1770
01:45:25.640 --> 01:45:31.960
<v Speaker 2>halftime performance, Beyonce gave a thirteen minute performance of songs

1771
01:45:31.960 --> 01:45:36.239
<v Speaker 2>off of the Cowboy Carter album. I am a huge

1772
01:45:36.279 --> 01:45:41.880
<v Speaker 2>fan and first of all, Like, what's really blowing my

1773
01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:46.319
<v Speaker 2>mind these days is like it's this near pathological need

1774
01:45:46.439 --> 01:45:51.039
<v Speaker 2>of people to just immediately like start hating on Beyonce

1775
01:45:51.159 --> 01:45:53.840
<v Speaker 2>whenever her name is mentioned. Like the second it was

1776
01:45:53.840 --> 01:45:56.159
<v Speaker 2>announced that she was going to be performing at the halftime, well,

1777
01:45:56.199 --> 01:45:58.119
<v Speaker 2>I guess I know what. I'm not gonna be watching.

1778
01:45:58.239 --> 01:46:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm going to cancel my Netflix's good. Oh I'm

1779
01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:04.439
<v Speaker 2>not gonna be watching that game. Like, Wow, this woman

1780
01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:06.800
<v Speaker 2>who you've never met, who is never gonna meet you,

1781
01:46:07.159 --> 01:46:11.319
<v Speaker 2>and you have so much, real, raw, big feelings about it. Anyway,

1782
01:46:12.319 --> 01:46:15.760
<v Speaker 2>So after the like a week or so after the

1783
01:46:15.800 --> 01:46:20.520
<v Speaker 2>game aired, they released the halftime performance as its own thing.

1784
01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:23.079
<v Speaker 2>So I sat and I watched it because I wanted

1785
01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:24.880
<v Speaker 2>to like check it out, and you know, we were busy,

1786
01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:26.359
<v Speaker 2>so I missed it when it happened, not that we'd

1787
01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:29.920
<v Speaker 2>be watching a football game anyway. First of all, it

1788
01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:32.239
<v Speaker 2>was a great performance, as I knew it would be,

1789
01:46:32.239 --> 01:46:36.239
<v Speaker 2>because you know, Beyonce don't play. And the whole time

1790
01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:38.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting there watching, I was like, damn, they had

1791
01:46:38.199 --> 01:46:40.159
<v Speaker 2>to really nitpick to find things to hate, but you

1792
01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:42.760
<v Speaker 2>know they did because like apparently like at the end

1793
01:46:43.119 --> 01:46:46.319
<v Speaker 2>she's up in the air on this platform and she

1794
01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:50.159
<v Speaker 2>like does like this finger gun thing, which is like

1795
01:46:50.199 --> 01:46:52.920
<v Speaker 2>because she's talking about like, you know, the words bang

1796
01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:56.199
<v Speaker 2>bang keep coming up and you know, and there was

1797
01:46:56.239 --> 01:46:58.680
<v Speaker 2>this controversy well because apparently that's.

1798
01:46:58.560 --> 01:47:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Gesture of her finger guns exactly.

1799
01:47:02.119 --> 01:47:06.479
<v Speaker 2>But apparently there's this policy uh that players, I think

1800
01:47:07.479 --> 01:47:11.920
<v Speaker 2>the players from whatever team is Texas whatever, they were

1801
01:47:11.960 --> 01:47:15.000
<v Speaker 2>doing that and then they got penalized because that's considered

1802
01:47:15.640 --> 01:47:18.199
<v Speaker 2>bad for whatever reason. So how come Beyonce can do

1803
01:47:18.239 --> 01:47:21.359
<v Speaker 2>it and they can't? Thank you? That's that's the answer

1804
01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:22.359
<v Speaker 2>to the goddamn question.

1805
01:47:23.239 --> 01:47:27.399
<v Speaker 1>But maybe maybe maybe she didn't agree to those us.

1806
01:47:27.640 --> 01:47:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, and like, but what I will say about the performance,

1807
01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:38.199
<v Speaker 2>like the album was an exploration of, you know, the

1808
01:47:38.279 --> 01:47:41.239
<v Speaker 2>roots of country, the black roots of country, and it

1809
01:47:41.479 --> 01:47:48.319
<v Speaker 2>was like basically neo Americana alb and she chose to

1810
01:47:48.359 --> 01:47:52.760
<v Speaker 2>spotlight all these up and coming black country artists as

1811
01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:57.880
<v Speaker 2>well as country artists from like previous generations who never

1812
01:47:57.960 --> 01:48:02.159
<v Speaker 2>got their just due. And she was spotlight these people

1813
01:48:02.199 --> 01:48:04.359
<v Speaker 2>in this performance, Like there were moments was like it

1814
01:48:04.399 --> 01:48:07.079
<v Speaker 2>was Beyonce and three other or at least two other

1815
01:48:07.960 --> 01:48:12.359
<v Speaker 2>young black woman country singers singing together at the same time,

1816
01:48:12.520 --> 01:48:16.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, life goals, y'all. You know, it was

1817
01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:21.680
<v Speaker 2>just a great performance. And I just don't understand how

1818
01:48:21.800 --> 01:48:25.119
<v Speaker 2>people can have such big feelings. You know. It's like,

1819
01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:28.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know why because she's rich and black

1820
01:48:28.439 --> 01:48:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and successful and doesn't give a fuck about their feelings.

1821
01:48:31.399 --> 01:48:35.840
<v Speaker 2>It all happened when Bruno Mars was the halftime performance

1822
01:48:35.880 --> 01:48:39.159
<v Speaker 2>at the super Bowl and it was Bruno Mars and

1823
01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:43.920
<v Speaker 2>cold Play and Beyonce popped up and performed Formation, and

1824
01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:46.960
<v Speaker 2>then that was when white people realized that Beyonce is

1825
01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:50.560
<v Speaker 2>black and knows it. Ever since then, just I can't

1826
01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:54.600
<v Speaker 2>stand Beyonce. She's overrated, she ain't this, she ain't that.

1827
01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:58.159
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, who is saying this broke.

1828
01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:02.399
<v Speaker 2>People who have no goals? I mean, is my okay?

1829
01:49:03.079 --> 01:49:05.520
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted and it's it's just like this common

1830
01:49:05.560 --> 01:49:08.800
<v Speaker 2>thing on uh on on social media. It's people hating

1831
01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:11.199
<v Speaker 2>on Beyonce, and it's like, I don't know, like I

1832
01:49:11.359 --> 01:49:13.920
<v Speaker 2>hate the fact that I'm sitting here like defending someone

1833
01:49:13.920 --> 01:49:15.960
<v Speaker 2>who doesn't know I exist and I'm not getting the

1834
01:49:15.960 --> 01:49:17.760
<v Speaker 2>cut of her check. But you know, it's just like

1835
01:49:17.800 --> 01:49:20.199
<v Speaker 2>this is just pathological behavior. It drives me crazy.

1836
01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well we've been swimming in pathological behavior since I

1837
01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:27.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know, late October.

1838
01:49:28.079 --> 01:49:31.840
<v Speaker 2>True. So all that to say, I watched it. It

1839
01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:36.560
<v Speaker 2>was good. I enjoyed it. Watch it again. Well good,

1840
01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:39.760
<v Speaker 2>we finally got to uh sit down and watch the

1841
01:49:40.199 --> 01:49:41.000
<v Speaker 2>six trip late.

1842
01:49:41.479 --> 01:49:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Loved it.

1843
01:49:42.319 --> 01:49:50.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah about the all black woman uh squadron battalion troop.

1844
01:49:51.399 --> 01:49:54.319
<v Speaker 2>But if you call it unit in the army.

1845
01:49:54.399 --> 01:49:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the army in World War Two who actually

1846
01:49:57.720 --> 01:50:02.880
<v Speaker 1>made the mail work again? Right? They Yeah, they were

1847
01:50:03.000 --> 01:50:06.279
<v Speaker 1>charged with, you know, distributing millions of pieces of.

1848
01:50:06.319 --> 01:50:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Male and the string the morale of the troops, and.

1849
01:50:09.840 --> 01:50:14.279
<v Speaker 1>They took it very seriously and creatively and did an

1850
01:50:14.279 --> 01:50:16.359
<v Speaker 1>amazing job inside of what was it nine months?

1851
01:50:16.439 --> 01:50:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, great movie. It was the first Tyler Perry

1852
01:50:22.039 --> 01:50:25.159
<v Speaker 2>movie that like I thoroughly enjoyed from beginning to end

1853
01:50:25.159 --> 01:50:27.319
<v Speaker 2>and didn't have any harsh criticisms.

1854
01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:29.199
<v Speaker 1>For Carrie Washington was brilliant.

1855
01:50:29.439 --> 01:50:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a different role for her.

1856
01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Having the Obsidian was brilliant. Blackest name ever true, like

1857
01:50:36.159 --> 01:50:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Onyx is her middle name. God damn, I'm kidding, but

1858
01:50:41.720 --> 01:50:49.840
<v Speaker 1>right now then she would be e oh oh but no.

1859
01:50:49.880 --> 01:50:53.479
<v Speaker 2>It was great and that it's historic. It was a

1860
01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Tyler Perry film where the women weren't victims. I know, right,

1861
01:50:57.279 --> 01:51:00.039
<v Speaker 2>nobody got cheated on, nobody got a's.

1862
01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he consulted with an actual woman.

1863
01:51:03.239 --> 01:51:07.359
<v Speaker 2>Well that's the thing. He actually like, consulted with the

1864
01:51:07.399 --> 01:51:10.920
<v Speaker 2>real people. And so there was no room for him

1865
01:51:10.960 --> 01:51:15.039
<v Speaker 2>to take his usual artistic license. And because it's Tyler

1866
01:51:15.079 --> 01:51:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Perry and he was spending Tyler Perry money, it's good.

1867
01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:21.159
<v Speaker 2>It was given the scope that the story deserves.

1868
01:51:21.239 --> 01:51:23.479
<v Speaker 1>It's a really good movie. It's worth watching. It's on

1869
01:51:23.520 --> 01:51:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Netflix right now.

1870
01:51:24.880 --> 01:51:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I agree. And then after we watched that, we were

1871
01:51:27.600 --> 01:51:33.079
<v Speaker 2>on our I Love Black Women kick Well. The next

1872
01:51:33.119 --> 01:51:37.079
<v Speaker 2>thing we put on was the movie about Whitney Houston,

1873
01:51:37.479 --> 01:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>where Deborah Cox played Whitney Houston. I wanted you to

1874
01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:46.600
<v Speaker 2>see that because you were unfamiliar with Deborah Cox, and

1875
01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:49.159
<v Speaker 2>I had said when I heard that Deborah Cox is

1876
01:51:49.159 --> 01:51:52.439
<v Speaker 2>going to be playing Whitney Houston, I immediately was like, Okay,

1877
01:51:52.520 --> 01:51:57.239
<v Speaker 2>she got this because Deborah Cox has that voice. She

1878
01:51:57.239 --> 01:52:00.880
<v Speaker 2>has one of the best voices of our generation. We

1879
01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:04.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't watch much of the film. We did not because

1880
01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:09.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, while Deborah Cox, she has the power of

1881
01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:14.199
<v Speaker 2>the vocals, and she got like the physicality and the

1882
01:52:14.199 --> 01:52:20.600
<v Speaker 2>flavor of Whitney Houston. The writers tried to act like.

1883
01:52:21.840 --> 01:52:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean the Bobby Brown fan club that birth this movie.

1884
01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Right that you know, she didn't have a girlfriend. She

1885
01:52:30.119 --> 01:52:30.920
<v Speaker 2>had a best friend.

1886
01:52:31.600 --> 01:52:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm yeah, Robin, Yeah that was that.

1887
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<v Speaker 2>Was not her friend, that was her friend.

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<v Speaker 1>No, my understanding, right, But you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And once we realized that that's what we were doing,

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<v Speaker 2>we were like, yeah, if we're going to watch the

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01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Whitney movie, let's watch the one where they actually agmit

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<v Speaker 2>that Whitney was queer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that'd be nice. So yeah, yeah, this one was

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01:52:55.159 --> 01:52:57.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, kudos to Deborah Cox.

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01:52:57.640 --> 01:52:58.079
<v Speaker 2>She did that.

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01:52:58.399 --> 01:53:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean she did, but it was like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>like she ain't right it. No, we didn't watch the

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01:53:08.079 --> 01:53:13.920
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, right. And then because I'm just yeah, really

1899
01:53:14.560 --> 01:53:18.760
<v Speaker 1>terse lately about quick representation film, I'm down with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then because we went from black women to musical

1901
01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:28.520
<v Speaker 2>black women, Amazon Prime was like, oh, you like black people,

1902
01:53:28.720 --> 01:53:31.880
<v Speaker 2>you like music, you like black music. Here here's the

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01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Temptations mini series from nineteen ninety six that I personally

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01:53:36.640 --> 01:53:39.079
<v Speaker 2>never saw, even though you know, it was part of

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01:53:39.159 --> 01:53:42.800
<v Speaker 2>like it's a cornerstone of black culture, and like I

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01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:45.960
<v Speaker 2>know all the references, but I never actually saw it

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01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:49.319
<v Speaker 2>when it aired, right, like you know, I was, I said,

1908
01:53:49.600 --> 01:53:52.199
<v Speaker 2>right along with the actor, even though I hadn't seen

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01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:56.000
<v Speaker 2>it before. Ain't nobody come to see you? Otis you did?

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01:53:56.159 --> 01:53:59.399
<v Speaker 2>You said that, Yes, I knew it was come you did,

1911
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<v Speaker 2>And that was really well done.

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<v Speaker 1>It was entertainment. You know, I love The Temptatione.

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01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Thirty years late, but I finally saw the.

1914
01:54:07.800 --> 01:54:11.439
<v Speaker 1>Temptation loved the Temptatione.

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<v Speaker 2>And we got to see the new comedy special from

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Buteau. It's a Butteau full life. Yes, she's so

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<v Speaker 2>goddamn funny.

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<v Speaker 1>She is funny. I love that she you know, went

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01:54:28.760 --> 01:54:32.399
<v Speaker 1>after Dave Chappelle. Yeah, and stayed funny while she did it,

1920
01:54:32.520 --> 01:54:36.880
<v Speaker 1>but very much on point, very much, you know, mocked

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01:54:36.920 --> 01:54:41.279
<v Speaker 1>him and his obsession with punching down and attacking our community,

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01:54:41.319 --> 01:54:44.159
<v Speaker 1>and she said it's unsafe, which it is right, it

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01:54:44.239 --> 01:54:45.000
<v Speaker 1>is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>And the overall point of her of her bringing him

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<v Speaker 2>up was talking about how it is possible to talk

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01:54:50.880 --> 01:54:55.720
<v Speaker 2>about a community and make it funny and not hateful.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was like, see how that's possible. Can somebody

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01:54:58.680 --> 01:55:01.920
<v Speaker 2>go tell Dave Chappelle that? And she said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the goat, assuming that goat means going on about

1930
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<v Speaker 2>trans people.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be right, going on about trans people. It

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<v Speaker 1>can be done. We can tell jokes and stories and

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<v Speaker 1>not disparage a whole community. We can do that. We

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01:55:15.680 --> 01:55:18.279
<v Speaker 1>can make it funny. We just have to work at

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<v Speaker 1>it right. So, if you guys ever run into Dave Chappelle,

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<v Speaker 1>can you let him know that shit? I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he knows that shit. I don't think we'll ever run

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<v Speaker 1>into Dave though, because he is the goat. Uh, And

1939
01:55:32.319 --> 01:55:36.520
<v Speaker 1>he's the goat if that means going off about trans.

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<v Speaker 2>People, going off about transit.

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<v Speaker 1>She later remarked on his jokes not being funny but

1942
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<v Speaker 1>actually being dangerous. Make it funny, that's all. I can't

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01:55:47.680 --> 01:55:51.640
<v Speaker 1>believe somebody would make millions and millions of dollars from

1944
01:55:51.680 --> 01:55:53.479
<v Speaker 1>making people feel unsafe.

1945
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<v Speaker 2>That is so wild to me. Mm hmm. And what's

1946
01:55:58.640 --> 01:56:04.039
<v Speaker 2>especially cool about that special and that performance, Well, first

1947
01:56:04.079 --> 01:56:08.560
<v Speaker 2>of all, she's made history, her history as being the

1948
01:56:08.600 --> 01:56:13.840
<v Speaker 2>first woman comedian to have her own solo special at

1949
01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Radio City Music Hall, which I didn't realize. And it's

1950
01:56:18.039 --> 01:56:23.560
<v Speaker 2>interesting that she made this commentary about Dave Chappelle and

1951
01:56:23.640 --> 01:56:27.960
<v Speaker 2>the danger of him using his platform to spread such

1952
01:56:28.279 --> 01:56:33.680
<v Speaker 2>dangerous rhetoric on the platform that gave him that. Yeah,

1953
01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:37.840
<v Speaker 2>so I'm like, go off this, That's what I'm talking about.

1954
01:56:38.039 --> 01:56:41.600
<v Speaker 2>She probably wrote a few jokes coming at Netflix, but

1955
01:56:41.680 --> 01:56:47.720
<v Speaker 2>did not save them for obvious reasons. So, yeah, we're

1956
01:56:47.720 --> 01:56:48.159
<v Speaker 2>fans of.

1957
01:56:48.199 --> 01:56:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I remember traceless that saying of Dave Chappelle. So at

1958
01:56:51.560 --> 01:56:54.880
<v Speaker 1>this point, it's giving client. I don't know what doll

1959
01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>hurt Dave Chappelle, I really don't, but it's giving disgruntled client.

1960
01:56:59.159 --> 01:57:01.359
<v Speaker 2>It's giving anger trick, angry trick.

1961
01:57:01.920 --> 01:57:04.800
<v Speaker 1>It's giving He wanted to kiss on the mouth and

1962
01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:07.840
<v Speaker 1>she was like, no, I don't do that. I up

1963
01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:10.239
<v Speaker 1>charge for that. If you want to do that, you

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01:57:10.319 --> 01:57:12.680
<v Speaker 1>got to give me x y Z And he's like,

1965
01:57:12.720 --> 01:57:16.079
<v Speaker 1>oh no, ma'am. And his ego was bruised time, so

1966
01:57:16.119 --> 01:57:19.279
<v Speaker 1>he went on a rampage. It's giving angry trick?

1967
01:57:19.640 --> 01:57:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Am I lying? Dolls? Am I lying? Oh my god?

1968
01:57:23.239 --> 01:57:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Who goes on to make three specials, The Ray Comedy

1969
01:57:26.920 --> 01:57:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Specials about the dolls because you can't take get him

1970
01:57:31.159 --> 01:57:33.159
<v Speaker 1>some help I loved that.

1971
01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I did not lost her for that because I gave

1972
01:57:36.199 --> 01:57:37.880
<v Speaker 2>her a shout out for that and she liked.

1973
01:57:37.720 --> 01:57:43.000
<v Speaker 1>It good because it's insane. Yeah, it is insane. The

1974
01:57:43.039 --> 01:57:45.720
<v Speaker 1>obsession is insane.

1975
01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1976
01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:50.720
<v Speaker 1>And it's not funny, pathological, it's really not funny, especially

1977
01:57:50.840 --> 01:57:53.760
<v Speaker 1>at this point in history. And you know, I loved

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01:57:54.159 --> 01:57:56.720
<v Speaker 1>what Michelle did, no notes. I mean, first of all,

1979
01:57:56.720 --> 01:57:59.760
<v Speaker 1>she is funny. She's a funny bitch, she is, and

1980
01:58:00.640 --> 01:58:05.479
<v Speaker 1>good say it, keep saying it. Yep. Comedy doesn't have

1981
01:58:05.560 --> 01:58:08.039
<v Speaker 1>to be that. I mean, how many comedians we know

1982
01:58:08.319 --> 01:58:11.680
<v Speaker 1>comedians who have said similar Like, if you're saying you're

1983
01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:14.960
<v Speaker 1>not allowed to say anything anymore, maybe examine what it

1984
01:58:15.039 --> 01:58:17.359
<v Speaker 1>is you're trying to say. Right, maybe you never had

1985
01:58:17.359 --> 01:58:19.479
<v Speaker 1>anything good to say in the first place. Right, But

1986
01:58:19.560 --> 01:58:23.640
<v Speaker 1>if you can't be funny without punching down, perhaps you

1987
01:58:23.720 --> 01:58:24.960
<v Speaker 1>were never funny that.

1988
01:58:25.199 --> 01:58:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Par Maybe you were just lazy. And you know, we

1989
01:58:28.600 --> 01:58:31.680
<v Speaker 2>live in a culture that rewards mediocrity. Everything about that.

1990
01:58:31.720 --> 01:58:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Of course you didn't because you're mediocre and you failed

1991
01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:34.800
<v Speaker 2>up and you thought you won.

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01:58:35.159 --> 01:58:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Whatever happened to us, do no harm, you know what

1993
01:58:37.119 --> 01:58:41.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean? Like that, just just that concept because punching

1994
01:58:41.079 --> 01:58:44.000
<v Speaker 1>down isn't funny. There's so much to punch up about,

1995
01:58:45.560 --> 01:58:47.119
<v Speaker 1>and that's just it. I mean, you know, when you

1996
01:58:47.159 --> 01:58:51.159
<v Speaker 1>look back at Dave Chappelle's work, I mean, brilliant, brilliant

1997
01:58:51.359 --> 01:58:52.880
<v Speaker 1>take on racism in America.

1998
01:58:53.000 --> 01:58:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Why stay in your lane?

1999
01:58:54.800 --> 01:58:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Not mine, right, because now you're just being hurtful and

2000
01:58:58.319 --> 01:59:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Tracey's that was right, And I've gotten.

2001
01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:03.880
<v Speaker 2>With people when they try to say that, like, you know,

2002
01:59:04.319 --> 01:59:06.680
<v Speaker 2>people didn't used to be so sensitive back in the day,

2003
01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:08.159
<v Speaker 2>and you can make these jokes and it was funny.

2004
01:59:08.159 --> 01:59:10.720
<v Speaker 2>It's like no, no, no, no, it was shitty then. Yeah,

2005
01:59:11.159 --> 01:59:14.000
<v Speaker 2>we just didn't have a comment section because like I

2006
01:59:14.039 --> 01:59:19.800
<v Speaker 2>was watching this docu series about Andrew Dice Clay and

2007
01:59:20.039 --> 01:59:22.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, people saying, oh, people thought that was funny.

2008
01:59:22.479 --> 01:59:26.479
<v Speaker 2>Back in the day, there were plenty of non white

2009
01:59:26.560 --> 01:59:30.560
<v Speaker 2>people and non straight people who were vocal about their

2010
01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:35.399
<v Speaker 2>displeasure at that brand of humor. Correct and pretty much

2011
01:59:35.479 --> 01:59:37.840
<v Speaker 2>canceled his career because of that shit. But we forget

2012
01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:41.720
<v Speaker 2>about that because you know, you have this white man

2013
01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:45.479
<v Speaker 2>on stage talking shit about Asian folks, black folks, gay people,

2014
01:59:45.800 --> 01:59:51.039
<v Speaker 2>trans people to a sea of screaming white men of course,

2015
01:59:51.439 --> 01:59:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and the white women who were trying to like gain

2016
01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:57.039
<v Speaker 2>favor from these white men. And he oh, and let's

2017
01:59:57.079 --> 01:59:59.720
<v Speaker 2>not even talk about the misogynistic shit he said, especially

2018
01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:02.520
<v Speaker 2>to the people in the audience. So you know, that

2019
02:00:02.600 --> 02:00:05.960
<v Speaker 2>shit wasn't funny. It was never funny. It was never funny.

2020
02:00:05.960 --> 02:00:08.800
<v Speaker 2>He was a novelty that got old quick.

2021
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<v Speaker 1>So and y'all are not the ones that have the

2022
02:00:12.520 --> 02:00:16.600
<v Speaker 1>comedians we do. We've had to be funny because we've

2023
02:00:16.600 --> 02:00:18.359
<v Speaker 1>been dealing with you all our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So yeah, so that was good. And I had

2025
02:00:24.920 --> 02:00:28.520
<v Speaker 2>been I had been saying for weeks that I wanted

2026
02:00:28.560 --> 02:00:30.399
<v Speaker 2>you to start watching The Penguin.

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<v Speaker 1>Two episodes or three. I think we watched three. We

2028
02:00:34.439 --> 02:00:37.680
<v Speaker 1>watched three. Yeah, I gotta keep going. I can't believe

2029
02:00:37.720 --> 02:00:40.760
<v Speaker 1>that is Colin Farrell. I still can't believe That's like

2030
02:00:40.800 --> 02:00:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to see him in there and I'm just

2031
02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:45.479
<v Speaker 1>not saying, so wow.

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02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like I've started watching it.

2033
02:00:47.800 --> 02:00:50.880
<v Speaker 1>That's hard to believe. We couldn't find an unattractive heavy man.

2034
02:00:51.319 --> 02:00:56.359
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, anyway, Wow, we had we had to make

2035
02:00:56.439 --> 02:00:58.319
<v Speaker 1>up Colin Farrell and put him in a pat suit.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, right, but you know, I was about six

2037
02:01:03.520 --> 02:01:05.840
<v Speaker 2>episodes in and I was like, I will start over

2038
02:01:05.920 --> 02:01:08.840
<v Speaker 2>for you. Yeah, that's how good I think it is,

2039
02:01:08.920 --> 02:01:10.720
<v Speaker 2>and how I much I think you will like it. It

2040
02:01:10.960 --> 02:01:11.600
<v Speaker 2>is good.

2041
02:01:11.880 --> 02:01:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm enjoying it.

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02:01:12.840 --> 02:01:15.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's not like a cartoon. It's not a

2043
02:01:15.479 --> 02:01:18.600
<v Speaker 2>cartoon move, even though it's based in the Batman world, right,

2044
02:01:20.199 --> 02:01:25.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's really about a gangster trying to like

2045
02:01:25.920 --> 02:01:29.960
<v Speaker 2>make his way, and you know, I think it's very cool.

2046
02:01:30.079 --> 02:01:34.119
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's giving hints of Tony Soprano in

2047
02:01:34.199 --> 02:01:36.479
<v Speaker 1>his portrayal so far.

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02:01:37.039 --> 02:01:40.399
<v Speaker 2>And I also enjoy how like much of the cast

2049
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<v Speaker 2>are folks who like came to prominence in other HBO series.

2050
02:01:45.159 --> 02:01:47.439
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we're seeing a lot of yeah, actress who

2051
02:01:47.479 --> 02:01:50.920
<v Speaker 1>were in different things and or American horror story and

2052
02:01:51.159 --> 02:01:54.399
<v Speaker 1>or not one of them. Yeah, because the dude that

2053
02:01:54.479 --> 02:01:57.720
<v Speaker 1>was in Carnival, I think, yes, because we watched we

2054
02:01:57.760 --> 02:01:59.720
<v Speaker 1>started watching it with your sister when she was visiting.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's yes, probably watch a couple episodes tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Before I go to bed. Maybe that could happen. Yeah,

2057
02:02:08.760 --> 02:02:12.159
<v Speaker 1>so we had a little time for television. Yeah, amazingly enough.

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02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Back to work tomorrow for me, tonight tonight for you?

2059
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<v Speaker 1>I have work. I have to get finished. Yeah today,

2060
02:02:19.800 --> 02:02:24.279
<v Speaker 1>that's true before I go to work tomorrow. Because busy girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Did we get everything?

2063
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know?

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02:02:29.159 --> 02:02:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh? You know what we didn't do?

2065
02:02:30.760 --> 02:02:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Podcast business?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we'll do that all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast podcast business over you.

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02:03:58.680 --> 02:03:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Feel about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, do good?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure I had much

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<v Speaker 1>of a point. You know, as we get closer to

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<v Speaker 1>the inauguration, just like whatever, I guess, you know, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to keep doing what we do. We've got to

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<v Speaker 1>keep you know, building community and trying to make smart decisions,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope standing together and checking in on folks

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<v Speaker 1>because a lot of folks are not okay right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is true. Let's do our best to stand

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<v Speaker 1>together and challenge some of this absurdity. But again, I

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<v Speaker 1>think ahead, right if you're thinking weapons, think ahead, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just it is definitely a good time for self care, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely a good time to cook comfort food, maybe get healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you're getting plenty of sleep, drink your water.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, what else we got? Those are good things.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are all good things because we just don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know where this goes, and we don't know. Hopefully our

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<v Speaker 1>courts hold once again, hopefully we have some checks and balances,

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully that hopefully they eat their own, which is

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<v Speaker 1>something they're very good at.

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<v Speaker 2>This is true.

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<v Speaker 1>I just hate that we're all so good at it.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe we could knock some of that shit off

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<v Speaker 1>for a while and focus, right, I'd like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That'd be good.

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<v Speaker 1>There's my wish for the new year. People, focus, focus, focus.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, yeah, I don't think I have anything left. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, well, well we will endeavor to do this

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<v Speaker 1>next weekend as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm down.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, you've been listening to Full Circle the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host Martha Madrigal and.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Charles Tyson Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank you for listening and sticking with us. And

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<v Speaker 1>if any of you know someone famous, never mind, we didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>did we mention? We finally hit ten thousand downloads? We did?

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<v Speaker 1>We hit that number.

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<v Speaker 2>We did, Thank you, finally, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not per episode, that's per lifetime, but still right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a thing. It is, and we have we have

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of hours and in the in the tank.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So if you're a new listener, feel free to

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<v Speaker 2>go back and listen to some of the older ones.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some good stuff there. If you've been with us

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<v Speaker 2>the entire time, thank you so.

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<v Speaker 1>Much, and yeah, we look forward to.

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<v Speaker 2>Having fresh stuff for you in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to believe our voices are more important than ever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think they are.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So find somebody with money and send them our

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Thank you so much for listening, and have

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<v Speaker 1>a great week.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye everyone. Full Circle is a Never Scured Productions podcast

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<v Speaker 2>posted by Charles Tyson Junior and Mark the Madrigal, Produced

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<v Speaker 2>and edited by Never Scured Executive. Produced by Charles Tyson

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<v Speaker 2>Junior and Mark the Madrigal. Our theme in music is

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<v Speaker 2>by the jingle Beerris. All names, pictures, music, audio, and

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<v Speaker 2>video clips are registered trademarks and or copyrights of their

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<v Speaker 2>respective copyright holders.