WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:06.160 Broadcasting from Studio a Here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs. 2 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:10.279 It's The Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella, me Rick 3 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:14.560 weisst and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Today we 4 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:18.879 talk about texture, one of my favorite subjects. It describes 5 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:22.760 the surface quality of an object that can be seen 6 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:28.039 or felt. And when designing a landscape, it's that visual 7 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:33.479 texture as opposed to the tactile touch that probably is 8 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:37.679 more important, or is it. My experience in the garden 9 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:40.840 center industry for years was watching people as they shop. 10 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:46.280 They love to touch plants and texture is important in 11 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:51.799 the landscape. Speaking of touch, I'm wearing my retired summer 12 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:55.679 washed linen shirt just because it's nice and soft and 13 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:57.840 bumpy and I like it and it has great desk. 14 00:00:57.920 --> 00:00:59.960 It's very nice. Yeah, that's a really great shirt. 15 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:03.679 Thank you. So texture is all around us throughout our life. 16 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:05.959 I mean, you think about music, you think about all 17 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:09.319 the layers in music. I hang around a lot of 18 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:14.840 musical people and they often talk about music texture. There 19 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:16.959 is such a thing, and if you think about it, 20 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:21.439 all the instruments coming together to create something that's emotional 21 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:28.079 and beautiful. Layers upon layers. That's texture in music, and 22 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:31.760 so it's important there. It's important in our landscape because 23 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:38.000 it's going to affect the overall emotion and character of 24 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:45.599 your landscape. Proper balance super important, so we look at fine, 25 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:51.120 medium and coarse objects. But Stacy, I think for me, 26 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:57.200 when we talk about texture, contrast is super super important 27 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:06.439 to me. Dynamic harmone kind of creating that spatially pleasing 28 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:11.840 outdoor space. I believe that it's the contrast between objects 29 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:17.080 that really makes texture an important component of the landscape. 30 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:19.360 You are one hundred percent right, And I think that, 31 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:22.599 you know, if we're looking at our own gardens or 32 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:26.639 containers or whatever in our landscape and something kind of 33 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:29.520 feels like it's falling flat, I think most people's first 34 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:32.319 instinct is to blame color, right, that it needs more color, 35 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:34.520 or the colors off, or you know, something like that. 36 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:36.879 But I would say that nine times out of ten, 37 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:40.919 it's actually a texture issue and not a color issue. 38 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:42.719 It's just that, you know, I think we're not as 39 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:47.039 attuned to identifying those issues. But I think if people 40 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:50.680 think about, you know, a picture in the of a 41 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:53.280 garden or a garden that they actually visit, or a 42 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.599 moment even in their own garden, that they said they think, wow, 43 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.199 this really works. I nailed it, or that gardener nailed it. 44 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:02.719 It is it ends being that the texture was right. 45 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.479 And you know, I think there are two super easy 46 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:08.680 ways to check yourself on texture. 47 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:09.000 Okay. 48 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:13.800 Number one classic black and white photo. You know, take 49 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.159 a photo of your garden, take it in black and white, 50 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:17.759 or transform it into black and white, one of those 51 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:20.240 fun things that we can do nowadays with our phones, 52 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.199 and and that kind of takes away that color element 53 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:27.680 and you can really see those, you know, parts of 54 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.680 the garden and see what's working. And then you're like, whoa, no, 55 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:32.759 wonder this isn't working. All of these plants look the 56 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:36.000 exact same exactly. And I think that we tend to 57 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:42.000 as gardeners, gravitate towards a texture that we like, and 58 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:44.280 we tend to repeat that. At least I do. Maybe 59 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:46.199 you don't. I feel like I tend to be kind 60 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:48.280 of attracted to like one type of plant, and so 61 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:50.800 I very often don't get that contrast. 62 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:53.360 You know, that's a great point, Stacy. As a matter 63 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:55.960 of fact, I visited a garden I was so impressed 64 00:03:56.520 --> 00:04:00.759 that I replicated it in my garden. Essentially what they 65 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:06.800 had done throughout the garden is dropped in emerald isle allocations. Wow, 66 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:10.639 anyone who's looked at the backside of an emerald Isle allocacia, 67 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:14.000 the texture in that plant, the size of the foliage, 68 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:18.279 it made all the difference in the world in the landscape. 69 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.959 And I use that in my landscape too. So it's 70 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.000 the size of the foliage. I love that black and 71 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:28.480 white photo idea that's perfect the size of the foliage, 72 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:32.439 but also the texture of that foliage. And you know, 73 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:34.560 this is something that I'm sure you can relate to, 74 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:37.639 Stacy when you take a look at people who write 75 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:42.079 copy or create tags or marketing or that type of thing. 76 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:52.279 You read the descriptive copy velvety, satiny, ruffled, rough, fuzzy, lacy, delicate, succulent, leathery, strappy, 77 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:55.360 I mean all words I think you'd find in a 78 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:57.560 romance now. 79 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.959 Right for sure. Yeah, because you want to kind of 80 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.759 get that emotional connection. And I think you know, especially 81 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:07.920 nowadays in being such an online world, we want people 82 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.040 to go to their garden center and look at these 83 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.199 plants and feel them and see them and smell them 84 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:15.240 and everything for themselves. So I think it's really important 85 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:18.319 to kind of, you know, get that out there and 86 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:20.720 make people go, yeah, I want to check that out. 87 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.920 Yeah exactly. So what exactly is plant texture? The word 88 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.439 texture comes from a Latin word which means to weave, 89 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:33.519 So essentially, we're weaving a giant tapestry within our garden. 90 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:38.120 And as I had mentioned Stacy, fine, medium, and course 91 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:42.000 is one way to look at it. If, for example, 92 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:45.399 you have way too many fine foliaged plants, it's going 93 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:49.160 to look so busy and so muddled. The eye has 94 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:53.560 no place to rest. If you're only using medium size 95 00:05:54.360 --> 00:06:00.439 plants or medium sized textures, it's fine to you them, 96 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:05.519 but the gardens just gonna be lackluster. It's not gonna 97 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:08.040 have that pop that you're looking for. And then of 98 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.279 course you can't. You can overdo it on coarse plants. 99 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.160 And believe me, I know because here's a guy who 100 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:19.040 loves bananas and cannas and allocacias. And as a matter 101 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:21.240 of fact, again, when I was working in the garden 102 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:25.399 center industry as a foliage plant buyer, many of the 103 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:29.959 people I were working with loved those fine textured plants 104 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.720 like a maidenhair fern just loved them, and I was 105 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:38.680 always gravitating towards the ad Nitia palms, the phoenix Robelini palms, 106 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.680 you know, big and bold and bananas, so you can 107 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:43.639 overdo a good thing. 108 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.680 Well, you know, I was thinking about you, Eric and texture, 109 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.720 and I was like, wow, you know, Rick is a 110 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.199 fine texture guy. He loves grasses. Yes, the grasses are 111 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:55.800 kind of like the ultimate fine texture plant for the garden. 112 00:06:56.560 --> 00:07:01.720 He loves grasses. He loves conifers, another typically fine textured plant. 113 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:03.800 But then I was like, whoa Stacey, Wait a minute. 114 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:10.000 Rick loves crotons, Rick loves allocasia, Rick loves cannas. I 115 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:13.639 don't know what Rick is. Rick is a texture mystery. 116 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:17.480 He's a complicated guy. Yeah, well think about it. In 117 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:20.959 our landscapes, I would say one of the drama queens 118 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:25.199 as it relates to texture would be hostas, especially big hostas. 119 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:28.959 And I love hostas in fall, just at the stage 120 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:32.199 where they're just about to melt into the ground because 121 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:36.439 of frost. They look like giant pumpkins to me. Or 122 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:42.759 Virginia thick, leathery leaves with fall winter color. But again 123 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:46.480 you go back to description. Yes, bananas, I have a 124 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:50.879 blood banana in my landscape, which I so love, and 125 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:56.759 the description on it is the foliage are paddles with markings. 126 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:58.560 I like that description. 127 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:03.399 Yeah, bananas are also a great option. I think, you know, 128 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.360 we gravitate towards those plants naturally, so yeah, it's easy 129 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:10.120 to just keep stacking them in. But again you have 130 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:13.120 to kind of take that step back and whatever works 131 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.480 for someone aesthetically, whatever you like works. Like we're not 132 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.240 saying these are hard and fast rules, but there are 133 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:22.240 these times, and it happens to me all the time, 134 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:25.399 especially in my native plant garden. I feel like the 135 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.839 plants that are in there just keep reiterating the same thing. 136 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:31.199 And even though I have different heights in different bloom 137 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:34.320 times and different colors, it's still just not like that 138 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:37.600 you know, big wow moment that you see from you know, 139 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:40.360 really talented designers like you know, we've talked a lot 140 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:43.399 about Pete Doodolphe, you know, really the master of kind 141 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.919 of blending in those fine textured moments to get a 142 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:48.360 really varied landscape. 143 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:52.559 Yeah. Absolutely, so fun stuff to think about. I mean, 144 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:55.200 think about a shade garden, a ligular aya, a big 145 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:59.639 green tractor, that foliage with Japanese painted ferns or a 146 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:02.279 sun king aurelia next to a hack and a clo 147 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:06.679 or maybe dicentra a fern leaf bleeding heart next to 148 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:11.200 a hosta. I love shadowland, echo the sun or water slide. 149 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:15.200 There's so many different choices to get that contrast. You know, 150 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:20.000 my banana tree with the wicked witch colius a eucimus 151 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:24.240 pineapple lily, which gives you an exclamation point in the landscape. 152 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:29.559 So many opportunities, and we'll talk about that today on 153 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:32.159 the show. Let me give you a limb a rick 154 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:36.679 here about contrast, because I think contrast is so important. 155 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:41.879 It's not my intent to lecture or alter your landscape's architecture, 156 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:45.799 just recommend a visual touch. It doesn't take much to 157 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:50.279 add some layers of texture. You see, contrast is fundamental. 158 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:55.000 Your focus becomes compartmental. It gives plants great poise, and 159 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:58.759 you can sort out the noise for something that's quite ornamental. 160 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:02.639 So bonjou or manure. Let me give you the tour. 161 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.879 Spare me conjectures because I like big, bold textures. I'm 162 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:09.320 trendy and olt couture. 163 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.159 Oh wow, you really uh brought out the vocabulary for 164 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:13.960 this one, right. 165 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:17.159 I'm hot today, I like textures. Let's see how Stacey 166 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:19.759 ties it in and plants on trial. That's next here 167 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:22.440 on the Gardening Simplified. 168 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:31.159 Show, beautify your home and community with proven Winner's Color 169 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:34.120 Choice Shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique 170 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:37.360 varieties to choose from. There's a flowering shrubber evergreen for 171 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:40.600 every taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive 172 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:43.360 white container your local garden center or learn more at 173 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:48.799 proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greetings gardening friends, and 174 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:51.240 welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are 175 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:55.120 talking all about texture. And in the first segment, I said, 176 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.600 there's two easy ways to check texture. I gave you 177 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:59.200 the first one. I didn't give you the second one, 178 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.440 so I thought I should do that now because don't 179 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:04.480 want to leave e anybody hang in. They're like, when 180 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:06.759 was the second one? Oh my gosh, I'm dying over here. 181 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:09.720 So no, the first one. Yeah, Like I said, just 182 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:12.519 take a black and white photo or transform a photo 183 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:13.960 in black and white. This is a fun thing to 184 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.519 do in winter when you're looking at your role of photos. 185 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.519 I mean, I'm assuming everybody has a roll of garden photos, right, yes, 186 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.399 or it's not just us okay, oh yea cool, and it. 187 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:25.519 Was such a great idea. That's why number two just ye. 188 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.159 So that's an easy way to look at the other way. 189 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:30.840 And don't get intimidated when I say this is to 190 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:32.759 do a little bit of drawing. Now, you don't need 191 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:36.600 to have drawing skills. We're not asking you to like 192 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:40.440 make an actual rendition of your garden, but a simple 193 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:44.480 sketch kind of outlining those shapes and how the masses 194 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:48.799 of your plants work together can also reveal quite a lot. 195 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:50.159 And that's a fun thing you can do on a 196 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:53.440 nice summer afternoon as you're sitting there looking at your garden. 197 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:58.639 Because another really important part of texture is direction. You know, 198 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:03.720 you can have plants of varying textures together, but if 199 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:06.279 all of the foliage and flowers and everything are kind 200 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:09.559 of going in the same direction, it can also fall flat. 201 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:12.879 Because a big part sure of successful texture is having 202 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:16.480 those textures kind of going out at different angles, different habits, 203 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.000 you know, perfect example, classic texture plant. I feel like 204 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.600 every time a garden magazine or a book or whatever 205 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:25.960 is like, you know, here's a great combination you know 206 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:29.919 what plant. It almost always contains akanakloa Japanese forest. 207 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:32.559 Yeah, oh yeah, yes, very true. 208 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:35.360 And why because that has a very strong direct It's 209 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:39.519 very very soft, fine textured, very strong directional kind of 210 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.200 you know, aesthetic in the landscape. 211 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:45.120 That's such a super important point. If you think about 212 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:50.840 a container and dichondra flowing down from the container and 213 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:54.799 angel wings in there, you're going two different directions. Yeah, 214 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.480 so yeah, I like that idea. So that's good concept. 215 00:12:57.559 --> 00:12:59.360 Those are just two different ways. You can kind of 216 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:01.480 start to think about it in your own garden and 217 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:04.840 add something, then despice it up and mix it up, 218 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:06.679 and you know, you don't have to do these things, 219 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:09.480 but it is sort of that is the professional secret, 220 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:12.159 right when you look at a professional landscape or a 221 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.759 very very talented experienced gardener, that is what they're doing. 222 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:18.120 And you know, it's very easy to look at someone's 223 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:21.639 garden and think, hey, they are just so talented as designers. 224 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:23.320 They got this right in the first place. Oh no, 225 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:27.039 they didn't. It took them years of refining and taking 226 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.559 things out and moving things around. And I would also say, 227 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:33.639 if you're dealing with a landscape that you know maybe 228 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:36.679 doesn't have the option to move things around as much, 229 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:39.320 or plants are more mature. You can also break it 230 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.200 up with you know, ornaments, different like sculptures and that 231 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:43.720 kind of thing. 232 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:48.559 Hard scaping super important in contrast and texture. 233 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:51.720 Yeah, for sure. The other thing about texture is space. 234 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:55.559 So texture is not just about what's there in terms 235 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:59.759 of the foliage or flowers or whatever. It's also about 236 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:02.480 this base in between them. And I think like a 237 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.360 lot of our plants, a lot of our shrubs, and 238 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.480 certainly a lot of Proven Winner's Perennials and annuals, they've 239 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:12.960 really been developed to be very dense and very cushion like, 240 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:18.799 and that can make them feel very coarsely textured or 241 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:22.200 bold in the landscape, whereas other counterparts might have a 242 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:23.759 little bit more space in them because we're kind of 243 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.480 really trying to breed those things down. And I find 244 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:28.320 that a lot with the Proven Winter's Perennials. It's a 245 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:30.879 very nice feature to have, but it does kind of 246 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:35.039 change the way that you use them. So for today's 247 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.559 plants on Trial, where we tell you about one or 248 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:39.720 in some cases, and today's case and many of the 249 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:44.960 Proven Winner's color Choice shrubs, we're talking about which of 250 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.679 our shrubs you can use for different textures. 251 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:49.919 So if I had to guess, because in my mind, 252 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.600 I have one shrub that is the king of textures. Okay, 253 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:57.960 well I hear it, Yeah I do oheh, yes, yes, 254 00:14:58.039 --> 00:14:59.279 I think that is the king. 255 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:02.279 It is definitely. It's sort of one that is always sighted. 256 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.440 And I think that that really leads into kind of 257 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:10.360 the defining feature of coarse plants, which is large foliage, 258 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:13.759 large elements, and you know, like you're saying, with all 259 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:17.279 of your tropicals, those tend to have very bold foliage. 260 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:20.879 But yeah, that is a classic example because oak leaf 261 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:25.519 Hydrangea doesn't just kind of symbolize the fine, medium course 262 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.759 textures in the landscape. It is itself a very textural plant. 263 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:32.039 The foliage is really textural. The stems have that, you know, 264 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:35.559 wonderful brown fuzz on them. You know, you were talking 265 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:38.120 about people wanting to touch plants whenever you go to 266 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.039 a botanical garden and they have signs that are like, 267 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:41.840 don't touch the plants, and you're like, yeah, okay, I 268 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:43.679 get it. But also I'm like, don't worry. I'm a 269 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.120 train horticulture, so I got this. Not that I break 270 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:50.600 the rules, but it's really quite difficult when you're used 271 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:52.919 to touching plants to like all of a sudden, not 272 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.159 touch them in any case. So it's about as much 273 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.159 as what is not there the space in between the leaves, 274 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.759 as well as what is there. So for fine texture 275 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.360 in the proven Winter's Colored Choice line, I have a 276 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.759 great plant that we have not mentioned yet. Japanese maples. Yeah, 277 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:11.960 absolutely perfect. Adriana is a big fan of Japanese maples. 278 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:15.480 They are really one of the best choices for that 279 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.000 fine texture. I think when we talk about these concepts 280 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:22.679 of you know, fine course in medium textures, Japanese gardens 281 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.600 are also such a great example of using and mixing 282 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.120 these different textures in ways that really have a lot 283 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.039 of impact. It's not like our standard kind of perennial 284 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:34.840 or flower garden where you have a whole lot of 285 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:37.799 plants all grouped together, but things kind of grouped into 286 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:42.320 vignettes and very very well placed. So Japanese maples are 287 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.399 an awesome choice for fine texture. And we don't tend 288 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:48.159 to think of trees as texture plants. 289 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:51.159 Right, but they are. They are dissectedol. 290 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:55.600 Lemony lace and black lace elder yep. I mean, can't 291 00:16:55.600 --> 00:17:00.559 beat them. One of my absolutely favorites that's on that 292 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.480 extreme because we're going to get to supercorus plants right now, 293 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:05.759 we're doing the very fine plants, so we'll get there. 294 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.519 Fine line buckthorn ramness, and this is one of our 295 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:14.720 most popular plants. People love it because there's really nothing 296 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:16.759 like it, and the foliage is really just kind of 297 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:20.559 narrow lines that's really really distinctive in the landscape. Another 298 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:25.359 plant I love, love love for fine texture celtic pride microbiota. 299 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.720 Yes, that's on my list, love it. And that's a 300 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:30.079 touchable plant. 301 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:32.079 It is, and it's not prickly, so it's a conifer. 302 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.240 Most conifers, like we said, tend to be on the 303 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:39.720 finer textured side, some more than others. But this one 304 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:43.559 just has this like beautiful lacy look and we have 305 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:45.920 a lovely planting of it in our trial gardens here 306 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:49.240 in West Michigan, and whenever we give tours and someone 307 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:52.079 sees it, they're like, what is that? And this is 308 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:53.640 a plant that I think most people walk by in 309 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:56.519 the garden center, but once they see it in sight, 310 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.519 they are like, I want that. So we also have 311 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:05.680 some regularly fine texture chesky gold dwarf birch, very very 312 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:09.599 tiny little yellow leaves, really interesting texture plants. It's a 313 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:12.359 dwarf birch, so like just imagine like a golden cushion 314 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.279 of tiny leaves, not a tree form, and it really 315 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:17.640 lends itself to sharing. So you can kind of have 316 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:21.839 this very fine texture leaf with a very dense habit 317 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.279 if that is what you are going for. I was 318 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:27.920 thinking about butterfly bush, okay, and I thought that this 319 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:33.559 is an interesting situation where for the most part they're fine, 320 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:36.400 kind of bordering on medium because they you know, those 321 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:38.480 spikes come up, they got a lot of space in them. 322 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:41.319 The leaves are on the smaller side. And then I 323 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:45.480 realized that like certain varieties of butterfly bush like Pugster, 324 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.200 actually definitely go more into the course because they're bread. 325 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:53.759 For those larger flowers you have less space, they tend 326 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:57.319 to end up having that blockier kind of impact in 327 00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:59.799 the landscape. So it really depends on the specific for 328 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.039 we can't always just generalize on the type of plant. 329 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:06.559 Kellikarpa is another plant that I think is a really 330 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:09.799 great choice for some fine texture also known as beauty 331 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:13.680 berry incredible purple berries. And I say purple berries are 332 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:17.640 just like this amazing orchid purple color. We have one 333 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:20.599 with dark purple leaves as well as a green one, 334 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:24.319 and the berries are so small and on these little stems, 335 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:26.839 and they just give a really really cool texture. 336 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.160 And a great example of how texture is so wonderful 337 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:31.240 in the fall. 338 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:34.359 Yes, fall is definitely texture time. And you know that 339 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:36.279 also comes back to what we were saying about color 340 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.400 in color. In fall, colors are shifting and changing, so 341 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:42.359 you're able to really get that impact that maybe you 342 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:46.119 didn't see when everything was just green. Now, I will say, 343 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.039 as I was looking through our selection of plants, the 344 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:50.799 majority of them are medium texture. And that seems like 345 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:52.480 kind of a cop out, but the majority of them 346 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:54.680 are medium texture. Yeah, I would agree, But let's get 347 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:57.680 to the bold textures, the coarse textures, because that's what 348 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.599 we really love. One of my favorites, and what I 349 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.640 might think is king in our line is Kelly canthus 350 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:07.839 also known as sweet shrub. I have both aphrodite and 351 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.319 simply sensational, and both of them have a really wonderful 352 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.160 bold look in the landscape. Aphrodite, the foliage is like 353 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:19.400 this big, it's huge, it's lush, the flowers are bold, 354 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.839 just a great great plant. Big leaf hydrangees also a 355 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:27.519 coarse texture plant. And I think with hydranges in general, 356 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.599 you can kind of get into some fine texture if 357 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:33.480 you are dealing with lace cap hydranges, because again that's 358 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:35.960 about the space that you're getting in there. So in 359 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.720 that case, even though the plant itself might be a 360 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:42.200 coarse or bold texture, the flowers kind of give it 361 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:44.279 a finer texture. So you can have this kind of 362 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.400 shifting in and out of different textures based on the 363 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:50.079 time of year, the blue time and all of that. 364 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:56.640 Al Ninho Chitalpa old texture. Great choice. Hollywood hibiscus another one, 365 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:00.359 and I was thinking, you know, I think most tropical plants, 366 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:04.440 of which Hollywood hibiscuits is a tropical hibiscus, tend to 367 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:07.920 be on the boulder side. I would say some palms 368 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:11.000 tend to the finer texture because it can be very 369 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:15.519 you know, fine leaves. But overall, if you like bold foliage, 370 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:18.880 the tropics is for you. I feel like fine foliage 371 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:20.839 the prairie might be for you. There you go, or 372 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:24.400 you can combine them all into one great garden. We 373 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:26.079 are going to take a little break. When we come back. 374 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:28.400 We are opening up the mailbag, so please stay tuned. 375 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:38.400 At Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs, we know that a 376 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:41.519 better landscape starts with a better shrub. Our team of 377 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:44.599 experts tests and evaluates all of our flowering shrubs and 378 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:48.039 evergreens for eight to ten years to ensure they outperform 379 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.359 what's already on the market. 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She says, Adriana, 397 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:54.599 the most recent episode of Gardening Simplified show was just 398 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:57.599 one example of the value your photos bring to the viewers. 399 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:00.319 Your photos add so much color to the convent sation 400 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:03.640 and content because of the photos and the colors they show. 401 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.319