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<v Speaker 1>I am pleased is punched to have in the studio

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<v Speaker 1>with me now an interesting fellow. We were just chatting

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<v Speaker 1>during the break. He is originally from the great massive

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<v Speaker 1>country of Australia, and after serving proudly in the Australian military,

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<v Speaker 1>he has now turned his attention to Israel and what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening in Israel. And he spent time in Gaza with

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<v Speaker 1>IDF troops in the last couple of years during the

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<v Speaker 1>actual fighting, and has now been in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>for several months spreading the word and supporting a new

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<v Speaker 1>foundation that he's created. I don't know how new it is.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll find out a second that he's created to fight

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitism. His name is Colonel Michael Scott and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Mandy, wonderful to be with you today and your listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I already told him that just because of

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian accent, you guys are going to be like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>he's awesome, and he is. So let's talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about you. First, tell me a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>your backstory.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Andy.

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<v Speaker 3>Colonel Michael Scott, thirty one year veteran of the Australian

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<v Speaker 3>Army previous operationals service in East Team or Boganville, Iraq,

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<v Speaker 3>two tours of Afghanistan, the later operations working hand in

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<v Speaker 3>glove with United States Military Force elements. But more recently,

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<v Speaker 3>from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one, I was secondered

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<v Speaker 3>from the Australian Army to the United Nations Truth Supervision

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<v Speaker 3>Organization as a senior unarmed observer operating in Israel, but

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<v Speaker 3>with responsibilities in Israel up in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was al during most of the hot mess

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<v Speaker 1>in Syria, hot mess in Israel. The hot mess really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't break out fully until after you finished that position.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell my audience what the responsibilities how a

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<v Speaker 1>UN observer actually are.

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<v Speaker 3>Certainly the particular mission that I was seconded to has

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<v Speaker 3>been going since nineteen forty eight. Australians have been supporting

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<v Speaker 3>the mission since nineteen fifty six. I was the head

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<v Speaker 3>of the military of one hundred fifty three offices drawn

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<v Speaker 3>from twenty seven different troop contributing countries, including the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>Russian Federation, China and many other nations. And we observed

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<v Speaker 3>and monitored and reported the terms of the various ceasefire agreements,

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<v Speaker 3>so we operated heavily up in the South Latani River

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<v Speaker 3>sector north of Israel. I had team members up in Beirut,

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<v Speaker 3>in Damascus, Syria, either side of the area of separation

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<v Speaker 3>between gol Lan and Kenetra, but also elements in Aman, Jordan,

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<v Speaker 3>and down in Ishmaelia Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, a lot of people don't understand how small that

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<v Speaker 1>area is that you're talking about, I mean, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is part of the problem I think for some Americans

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<v Speaker 1>in understanding why this conflict remains so hot all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's because we're talking about a very small area

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<v Speaker 1>of land.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>If you go from the Mediterranean Sea in Tel Aviv

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<v Speaker 3>and drive east for one hour, you're at the jordan

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<v Speaker 3>A valley, which is the border between Israel and Jordan.

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<v Speaker 3>It's such a small area, and that's something that most

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<v Speaker 3>Gentiles don't appreciate that when we're talking about Hamas terrorists

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<v Speaker 3>in Gaza, people that are not dissimilar to the violent

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<v Speaker 3>militants in the sixth century AD. It's a forty five

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<v Speaker 3>minute drive south of Tel Aviv.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be the equivalent of Boulder harboring Hamas. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really what we're talking about. For Denver rides. It

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<v Speaker 1>would be having people who wanted to murder you in

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<v Speaker 1>Boulder and a whole bunch of them and a whole

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<v Speaker 1>community dedicated to that. That's probably a great way to

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<v Speaker 1>think about that. How did you go into that experience

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<v Speaker 1>as a U observer? What was your mindset? What did

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<v Speaker 1>you think you were going to see versus what actually transpired?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you close?

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<v Speaker 3>So? I think since my early twenties I've had an

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<v Speaker 3>interest in the Israeli Defense Force and also the Levonde.

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<v Speaker 3>So when the application came about twenty eighteen, I was

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<v Speaker 3>very interested to put my name forward. It was a

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<v Speaker 3>fascinating part of the world because the Israeli Defense Forces,

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<v Speaker 3>in my judgment, are the most lawful, ethical, and moral

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<v Speaker 3>military fighting force world history is known not only with

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening in Gaza at the moment, but if we

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<v Speaker 3>look at the modern history from forty eight, nineteen fifty six,

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty seven, seventy three, the inn Fada's Elebanon campaigns,

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<v Speaker 3>the Israeli Defense Forces are really excelled against against an

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<v Speaker 3>intractable flight foe. David has defeated Goliath in many of

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<v Speaker 3>the campaigns in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about now, because there's you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday I had read an article that was an a

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<v Speaker 1>Reuter's article, and I could very easily go through and

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<v Speaker 1>show the clear instances of anti Israel bias from not

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<v Speaker 1>mentioning that the local health ministry is her Maasa's health

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<v Speaker 1>ministry that's giving these numbers. When you went to Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>you already had a fascination with the IDF. What did

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<v Speaker 1>you see there that affirmed your belief that they were

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<v Speaker 1>operating as ethically as possible in a war zone? Which

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<v Speaker 1>almost sounds like an oxymoron, You know it doesn't. How

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<v Speaker 1>can you have ethical war because war is so to determine,

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<v Speaker 1>to break things and kill people. It's a purpose of war.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you square that? Give me some examples.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the first thing for the listeners to understand

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<v Speaker 3>is that Israeli defense forces are just that they are

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<v Speaker 3>a defensive mindset. They're not an offensive mindset. So Israel

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<v Speaker 3>as a people are very similar to Western liberal democracies

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<v Speaker 3>around the world. But one of the things that's different

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<v Speaker 3>for Israel is that forty five minutes away from the

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<v Speaker 3>second largest city, barbarians that want to rape and murder

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<v Speaker 3>on film and then break about it. And so Israeli

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<v Speaker 3>defense forces face a number of the checks and balances

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<v Speaker 3>that are very familiar to US military and Australia in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of targeting protocol, look at proportionality, the laws of war.

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<v Speaker 3>There really is no moral comparison between Israeli Defense Force,

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful citizen soldiers and the genocidal maniacs in Hamas.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you explain to someone or respond to someone

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<v Speaker 1>who says, but they're block eating Gaza. But but but

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<v Speaker 1>they're creating starvation. But how do you how do you

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<v Speaker 1>explain that?

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<v Speaker 3>It's One of my observations at the strategic level is

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<v Speaker 3>that we operate in an or Welly in age of

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<v Speaker 3>gas liting and projection. People seem to have very fixed

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<v Speaker 3>opinions on Israel and the IDEF without any first hand interaction.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Allwellian.

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<v Speaker 3>People are forming deep mindsets based on what they're hearing

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<v Speaker 3>from Beljazerra BBC. For those that are reasonable, open minded,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd encourage people to get across to Israel, to actually

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<v Speaker 3>interact with Israelis, because like I saw when I was

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<v Speaker 3>there from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one Israelis and

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<v Speaker 3>Israeli defense for are very similar to our own and indeed,

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<v Speaker 3>for non Jewish people, when I say, when I give

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<v Speaker 3>an example of how they can actually picture the average

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<v Speaker 3>idea if depending on their age, I think I tell

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<v Speaker 3>them to picture their own children or their own grandchildren,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's the closest indication of what n IDF sol

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's a sense of duty in Israel, and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>is in the IDF for at least two years, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everybody kind of goes through the process. But

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<v Speaker 1>in my experience, to your point about them being a

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<v Speaker 1>defensive force, no one is ever saber rattling to go

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<v Speaker 1>bust down the neighbor's door. You know. It is all

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<v Speaker 1>about just maintaining peace and making sure that their families

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<v Speaker 1>can grow up and flourish. That's the whole purpose of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. Is there ever going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>situation where IDF movements are not going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>most highly scrutinized movements in the world, Because I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>on this show about the barbarians that work for the

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<v Speaker 1>UN in places like the Congo, who are literally committing

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<v Speaker 1>war crimes against women, every single day, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>making a blip in our news media at all. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>is being said.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think a good test for anti Semitism is

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<v Speaker 3>the Natan Sharansky's three D definition, demonize, delegitimize, and double standards.

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<v Speaker 3>It's quite shocking when we think of the very imperfect

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<v Speaker 3>world in which we live, what the Russian troops are

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<v Speaker 3>doing in Eastern Ukraine, dreadful things that are happening all

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<v Speaker 3>over the world, but the Israelis are the focus of

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<v Speaker 3>so much pillary and bile.

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<v Speaker 2>It's completely irrational.

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<v Speaker 3>And part of the work that I'm involved in in

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<v Speaker 3>combating any Semitism is connecting with reasonable, open minded people

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<v Speaker 3>and allowing them to interact with Israel and Israelis and

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<v Speaker 3>learn and see the truth for themselves, because I think

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<v Speaker 3>the only way practically that we can overcome or Wellian

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<v Speaker 3>levels of misinformation is for reasonable people to get across

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<v Speaker 3>and to live a personal experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you this, and this is just

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<v Speaker 1>a speculative question. You can answer it or not. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems to me that Israel has recognized that once again,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what they do, they're going to be held

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<v Speaker 1>to a different standard. So it seems to me from

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<v Speaker 1>the outside looking in, they are highly committed to completely

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<v Speaker 1>rooting out Hamas at this juncture, and even possibly going

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<v Speaker 1>further to completely destabilize Hasbal as we've seen, and now

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<v Speaker 1>they're launching missiles at Houthi's as well. Does this feel different?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we moving towards a final resolution with Iran?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, there's a number of significant issues and questions to

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<v Speaker 3>unpack there. If we look at just the Gaza envelope. Presently,

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<v Speaker 3>Israeli's three strategic goals are to return the hostages. There's

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<v Speaker 3>still fifty eight hostages held in Gaza. The second is

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<v Speaker 3>to dismantle Hamas, and the third is to ensure that

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<v Speaker 3>the Gaza strip the envelope never again constitutes a threat

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<v Speaker 3>to the safety and sie security of Israelis Iran is,

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<v Speaker 3>of course the head of the snake. Iranian retrick has

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<v Speaker 3>been very consistent since the late nineteen seventies and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fall of the Shah.

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<v Speaker 3>Death not only to the Little Satan, but death to

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<v Speaker 3>the big Satan the United States, And for me, I

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<v Speaker 3>take that very personally as as an Australian that's given

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<v Speaker 3>the whole of my adult life to the profession of arms.

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<v Speaker 3>And someone that believes in Judeo Christian traditions and the

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<v Speaker 3>Western civilization that constitutes a threat not only to the

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<v Speaker 3>safety and security of Israelis Americans, but also to the

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<v Speaker 3>safety and security of my children and my family and

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<v Speaker 3>loved ones. And for what it's worth, I see no

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<v Speaker 3>non kinetic solution to the Iranian problem. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>there will need to be a strike to remove once

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<v Speaker 3>and for all the Iranian nuclear program like we saw

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<v Speaker 3>in the early nineteen eighties in Iraq.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're not Jewish? So what has drawn you into

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<v Speaker 1>not just being an unabashed supporter of the IDF in Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>but now you're actively fighting Semitism? What clicked in you

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<v Speaker 1>that made you say this is going to be my

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<v Speaker 1>life's mission.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think my tipping point was October twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 3>But to understand that fully, I've got to go back

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<v Speaker 3>into my early twenties when a mentor of mine, a

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<v Speaker 3>former commanding officer, said Michael, as part of your professional development,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to study Israel's wars and so understanding the tactics,

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<v Speaker 3>the operations, and strategy also exposed me to the history,

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<v Speaker 3>politics and the peace attempts and so it was only

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<v Speaker 3>after October twenty twenty three that I have been able

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<v Speaker 3>to look back that I've been an ardent Zionist since

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<v Speaker 3>my twenties because I believe in the political and cultural

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<v Speaker 3>self determination of the indigenous people in their homeland, deep

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<v Speaker 3>personal connection with Israelis. People that I know and care

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<v Speaker 3>for were personally involved on October seven. Indeed, the adopted

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<v Speaker 3>son of a dear friend of mine is still the

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<v Speaker 3>the time, my eighteen year old daughter was that a

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<v Speaker 3>At the same time that kids were being slaughtered and

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<v Speaker 3>to say I can empathize and relate is an understatement.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you a question, because you've actually spent

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<v Speaker 1>this war. I have got in and on good authority

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<v Speaker 1>from people who live in Israel, and many of them

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<v Speaker 1>will say the Palestinian people are as oppressed. Some one

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<v Speaker 1>said this to me. They are as oppressed by Hamas

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<v Speaker 1>as North Koreans are oppressed by Kemilun that no dissent

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<v Speaker 1>is allowed, no protest, no sort of pushback. There are

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<v Speaker 1>no elections. So how or do you separate the people,

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<v Speaker 1>the Palestinian people that initially elected Hamas only to find

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<v Speaker 1>out what were they go after they elected them? Or

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<v Speaker 1>do you separate them at all? And if not, why not?

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<v Speaker 2>See that's a cracking question. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really smart. I am really smart, Colonel Michael Scott.

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<v Speaker 3>I can only give my judgment and looking at the

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<v Speaker 3>Palestinian people, so not only in Gaza envelope, but Juda

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<v Speaker 3>and Samaria. I must admit that since the Bibas murders

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<v Speaker 3>back in February, I've had a lot of difficulty referring

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<v Speaker 3>to Juda and Samaria as the West Bank. So I

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<v Speaker 3>remember the celebration and the joy of those people at

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<v Speaker 3>the spectacle of Shari Kafir and Ariel's body coming back

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Things we've seen at the moment is a level of

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<v Speaker 3>radicalization that is without precedent and human history. If we

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<v Speaker 3>look it back at the Mongols, the Vandals, the Tatars,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think they I think they pale in comparison.

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<v Speaker 3>When we talk about the radicalization of the Palestinians, and

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<v Speaker 3>something that I'm deeply angry about is that it's your

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<v Speaker 3>taxpayers money and mine that's funded that level of radicalization.

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<v Speaker 3>In my judgment, there will certainly be gardens that have

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<v Speaker 3>an iron fist. My concern is that Hamas have been

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<v Speaker 3>operating with the acquisition the acquiescence, but perhaps the majority

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<v Speaker 3>operations beyond the kinetic activities in the envelope, there's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a sustained period of de radicalization where people

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<v Speaker 3>of goodwill get into the schools, get into the offices,

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<v Speaker 3>deradicalize a population, and indeed, for those listeners that are interested,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the United Arab Emirates and some of

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<v Speaker 3>the work there in terms of firstly outlawing was them

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<v Speaker 3>brotherhood in the United Arab Emirates, but more particularly establishing

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<v Speaker 3>a ministry of tolerance, I think that that points to

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<v Speaker 3>some of the solutions that we might look at seeing

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<v Speaker 1>I agree wholeheartedly. When I was probably twenty years old

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm fifty five now, I saw a documentary called

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<v Speaker 1>the women of Hesbla, and I didn't know anything about

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<v Speaker 1>the region at all, but that documentary genuinely horrified me.

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<v Speaker 1>Because children from the time they were very very little,

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<v Speaker 1>when they were falling behind their parents in the market

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<v Speaker 1>or something, they turn around and say, hurry up, or

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews are going to get you. And they tell

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<v Speaker 1>were going to come take them and kill them and

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<v Speaker 1>eat them. Now, this is what parents were telling little children.

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<v Speaker 1>Those little children have no chance, you know, in terms

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you, I think it's it's like a two

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<v Speaker 1>generation process to undo all of that. That is to

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<v Speaker 1>me going to be the hardest part of peace.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think objectively, what are the steps that we

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<v Speaker 3>can take going forward. I'm a big fan, as a

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<v Speaker 3>simple soldier of kiss, keep it simple, stupid, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think the first precondition is to stop rewarding bad behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>So throwing good money after bad into organizations like the

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<v Speaker 3>United Nations Relief and Works Agency absolutely a non startup

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<v Speaker 3>that needs to stop. And unfortunately, like we've seen in

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<v Speaker 3>the United Nations where in my judgment, the institutions remain relevant.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not an institutional problem, it's a people problem. Activists

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<v Speaker 3>have taken over and infected not only the UN, but

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<v Speaker 3>agencies that were formally credible like Amnesty International, like the

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<v Speaker 3>International Rights like UN High Commission Humans. It's outrageous and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the simple policy positions there is to

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<v Speaker 3>stop funding bad behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Wonderful tolerant organization for those listeners that are interested in

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<v Speaker 3>understanding a little bit more about what the Israeli government

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<v Speaker 3>does to provide support for the Palestinians and the territories.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd recommend people look at CogAT Coordination of government aid

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<v Speaker 3>in the territories, and that's got a source of truth

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<v Speaker 3>to how much water, how much electricity, how much food

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<v Speaker 3>goes in and it straightaway empowers and enables people like

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<v Speaker 3>you and me to push back on the hard left

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<v Speaker 3>Cellos and the social Marxists that are trying to gas

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<v Speaker 3>light and project their nonsense onto us and shape not

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<v Speaker 3>only anti Israeli sentiment but anti Semitic center.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>We're almost out of time, and I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure we get to the foundation. The foundation that Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Scott has founded is the twenty twenty three Foundation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an Australian nonprofit organization dedicated to combating anti Semitism. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>me a little bit about what.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys do, absolutely that theseiest way to explain it

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<v Speaker 3>is that we're very similar to the Fulbright Scholarship, which

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<v Speaker 3>was established in the United States at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the Second World War, not only brings people into US

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<v Speaker 3>institutions to educate them, but builds cross cultural linkages through

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<v Speaker 3>soft power. And so the basis of the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>three Foundation is to connect with reasonable, open minded non

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<v Speaker 3>Jews with little or no first ten experience with Israel

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<v Speaker 3>and incentivize them across to Israel so they can interact

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<v Speaker 3>with the.

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<v Speaker 2>Environment and overcome go to Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>In my judgment, there's no practical way to anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 3>without people going across and seeing the facts on the

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<v Speaker 3>ground and all of Israel's perfect imperfections. They have to

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<v Speaker 3>get across there to see the truth and how israelis

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<v Speaker 3>not just Jewish people.

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<v Speaker 2>The Drews, Christian Arabs.

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<v Speaker 3>Muslim Arabs interact to be able to push back on

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<v Speaker 3>some of the gas lighting from some of our failed

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<v Speaker 3>legacy media institutions and those dim wets we're seeing on

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<v Speaker 3>campus in Colombia and other over League institutions.

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<v Speaker 1>Colonel Michael Scott, I still you have got links to everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a link to his website. I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>link to a phenomenal column that he just wrote, an

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<v Speaker 1>opinion piece that I highly recommend, and now link to

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty three Foundation. If you would like to

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<v Speaker 1>support this. I agree because I will tell you my

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<v Speaker 1>trip to Israel went for my nephew's wedding, which already

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<v Speaker 1>is a wonderful occasion, but walking through Old Jerusalem is

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<v Speaker 1>such a It's just an incredible and powerful thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>would love for everyone to have that opportunity to walk

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<v Speaker 1>in the same steps if you're a Christian that Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>walked in, and if you're Jewish, you go to the

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<v Speaker 1>wall and you see the foundations of the Temple. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just the cradle of humanity is in Jerusalem. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no other way to say it. So I so

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate what you're doing and making time for us today

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<v Speaker 1>and coming with your beautiful Australian accent to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>my radio listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>You very sweet many you wanted to be a guest

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<v Speaker 3>on your show Schebechlom, everyone,