WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:09.560 Welcome friends. It's podcast podcasting time. John Jack again Ryan. 2 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:13.720 They're talking about the movie's Mommy now back has made 3 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:21.519 the only thing more dangerous than what he knows is 4 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:24.719 what he's prepared to do two hundred and fifty million 5 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:27.280 dollars by a nine hundred U top time. If you 6 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:34.560 have not good God. But there's one thing, small boys, 7 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:37.719 we're about to retire. He didn't count on. I know 8 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:39.920 his mind works. You gotta let me go after him. 9 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:46.240 Care for a cooke or something, John Travolta, you lose 10 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:50.679 Christian Slater. We're right in here. Mind ain't a cool 11 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:57.560 broken arrow a John wu film Welcome to a movie 12 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.439 film commentary track. My name is Zaki Hassan, and here 13 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:05.400 is the VIC Deacons to my Riley Hale, Brian Hall. Hey, 14 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:08.640 ho's going, Zachie. I'm sitting here waiting for you to 15 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:13.920 betray me as I have every week for the last 16 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:20.560 fourteen years in anticipation. It's coming. It's coming. I'm not 17 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:23.519 gonna will you though. Once I hear that ominous Hans 18 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:27.680 zimmer Sting, that's what I know. My numbers up. I'm 19 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:29.480 going to eject through the roof of my house. 20 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:32.040 Dude, suddenly, just in the middle of one episode, You're 21 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:39.519 gonna hear doom and I'd be like what, And I'll 22 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:40.920 be like cool and. 23 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.519 Take a drag off a cigarette. I have to say. So, 24 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:49.079 we are watching nineteen ninety six is Broken Arrow, which 25 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:52.920 celebrates its thirtieth anniversary as we are recording this roughly 26 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:58.040 the same week, and I was thinking, I was like, 27 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:02.599 the most memorable claim to fame this movie has may 28 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:06.840 well be the fact that ain't it cool news? God 29 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:11.520 its name from this movie? Yeah, yeah, from that line 30 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:16.479 that uh uh oh, my gosh, John Travolta, Josh volt Man, 31 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:19.879 when you when you when your star falls, it really falls. 32 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.879 You know, it's fun. No, you know, it's weird. 33 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.039 I had John Ritter in my head and I was like, 34 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:28.080 it's not ridder Brant, It's not ridder don't say Ritter. 35 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:34.400 And then then I short circuit in so yes, but 36 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.680 you know what, I remember that line from the marketing. 37 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:39.120 From the trailers that was all over the place. That 38 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:39.800 was one of those things. 39 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:41.000 Yeah, back in the day, I don't know if it 40 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:44.280 happened more frequently. Maybe I was watching more TV, and 41 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:46.199 you know, they'd have like one line that they would 42 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:48.240 always repeat in all the ads for certain movies. So 43 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:50.159 those lines just got stuck in my head. 44 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.400 Ain't it cool? Well, I remember that from the mid nineties, 45 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:58.919 and you and Harry Knowles both yeah, yeah, uh, that's 46 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:04.080 that's what makes you and Harry Knowles so similar. Let's 47 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:09.840 go down to the list of similarity. Hey, so, anyway 48 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:11.960 we're gonna watch. This will be fun. This is gonna 49 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:14.680 be fun. Yeah, I love going. You know, this has 50 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:17.159 become kind of a semi recurring thing where we just 51 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:21.000 dip into nineties action movies. I love it. I love it, 52 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:24.599 and I have not seen this since the nineties. Same same, 53 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.080 same here, So this is definitely fun to dip back into. 54 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:30.000 But let's do it. Hey, if you want to watch 55 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:33.159 along with us, you're certainly welcome to do that. There 56 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.039 is only the one cut, the theatrical cut, directed by 57 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:39.639 John Woo. If you don't want to watch along, that's okay. 58 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.439 We'll try to keep the conversation interesting enough. We'll try 59 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.879 to make you say, ain't it cool? I hope, so, 60 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:48.840 I hope. So, So I'm ready. What about you, Brian? 61 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:50.639 I'm ready? All right, here, we got let's do this. 62 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:52.360 So we'll do the usual thing on three one two 63 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:56.400 three play and Here we Go one two three play 64 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:03.919 Fox joy Sentry Fox. This is This is written by 65 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:07.840 Graham Yost. Yes, it is a produced by Mark Gordon. 66 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:10.599 So kind of a Speed reunion. 67 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.879 Yeah, I mean this is the year after Speed, right, 68 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:15.039 so this is two years oh two years. Sorry, but 69 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:17.879 this was Graham Yos Grammyos. This is kind of interesting. 70 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:18.519 I want to say. 71 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:20.920 I don't remember what podcast it was, but I heard 72 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.279 him speaking on one and he was saying that he 73 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:26.560 was working at a sitcom. I believe it was Herman's 74 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.720 Head Full House, Oh, full House, but he did work 75 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:32.560 on Herman's Head, right, he may have he yeah, okay, 76 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.680 but no, you're right full house and he was very unhappy. Yeah, 77 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:38.920 And so he decided he was just going to, you know, 78 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:42.279 risk it all, take a leap, write something, and just 79 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:44.279 see if he could he could do the thing he 80 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.879 really wanted to do. And then he makes Speed. 81 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:50.439 Right, and then he writes one of the greatest action 82 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:54.040 movies ever made yep, yep. And so then he's super 83 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:59.319 hotpy Brian, It's just that easy. Yeah, come on, why 84 00:04:59.360 --> 00:04:59.920 even you done? 85 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.079 That sounds like something like your parents would say to you, 86 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:09.439 why haven't you written a movie like Diehard? But yeah, 87 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:12.959 so then this post speed Fox is probably like what 88 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:13.519 else you got? 89 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:16.720 Give us anything? And then we get a broken arrow, 90 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:21.639 Broken arrow, which the title is now in the movie. 91 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:24.720 They're like, it's a reference to if a nuclear missile 92 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:28.879 is stolen, right, which my understanding is that's actually not true. 93 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:32.800 It's it's a reference to a nuclear weapon where the 94 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.560 head where it's no longer nuclear. Yes, that is a 95 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:41.920 broken arrow. So the term for a stolen weapon would 96 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:46.319 be empty quiver, which I thought should be the code 97 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.160 name for a vasectomy. I was about to say that 98 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.480 that's actually the script from my movie about a guy 99 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:54.759 with low sperm count. Hey look at us, Yeah, starring 100 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.399 Rob Schneider. I kind of see in my head, I 101 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:00.920 see him on the poster like with his arms out 102 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:01.720 like eh, you know. 103 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.040 Exactly, a kind of doing a shrug, but with a 104 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.800 oh no, like yeah, exactly, you got empty. 105 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:10.959 Quivery operation operation empty quiver. That's when you go to 106 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:11.759 get prosectomia. 107 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:17.959 Yes, exactly, right, doesn't sound like that, you know, It's 108 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.279 funny because I know these guys are supposed to be 109 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:21.560 like longtime pals. 110 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:22.519 Yeah, right. 111 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:25.480 And then it's like, I don't that sense at all. No, 112 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:29.839 not in this opening boxing match, right, I was actually 113 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:30.360 thinking about that. 114 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:34.839 Okay, So so that turn is supposed to be kind 115 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:38.240 of a turn, yes, and it's really not because Travolta 116 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:41.879 such an asshole right from the start. There isn't any 117 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:44.439 like he's not like this opening scene, it's supposed to 118 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:49.199 be him kind of like mentoring Hail, but there's nothing 119 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:50.199 playful about it. 120 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:52.720 Not at all, or like mentor like at all. Like 121 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:57.439 he seems like a jerk who is relishing exactly in whooping. 122 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:59.000 This guy, I was saying, I was like, that's a choice, 123 00:06:59.079 --> 00:06:59.240 you know. 124 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:02.639 Well, well, I mean that's kind of the thing, right, 125 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:04.560 Like I read in some of the there wasn't like 126 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:06.879 a ton that I could dig up on this movie. Yeah, same, 127 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.680 But I did read that Travolta it was his decision 128 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.319 to go big, sure, And I'm like, he definitely goes. 129 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.800 Big yeah in this right. By the way, Interesting that 130 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:20.680 Dwight little there gets a producer credit because he was 131 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:24.759 originally supposed to direct this movie. Oh maybe he helped 132 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:26.680 develop it a little bit, That's what I was thinking, Yeah, 133 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:30.120 because he directed a rapid fire the Brandon Lee movie 134 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.079 Oh okay, and one of them, I think Mark for 135 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.839 Death or something. But he left this to do Free 136 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:42.720 Willy two rights the guaranteed payday of Free Willy two, which. 137 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.480 Is funny because now it seems like, oh man, but 138 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:48.160 I mean Free Willy one was a phenomenon. 139 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:50.720 That's at the time you can sort of understand his thinking. 140 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.319 But yeah, in hindsight, I don't know, maybe maybe not 141 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:54.079 the best choice. 142 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.839 Yeah yeah, I mean did that one even go to 143 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:58.879 the theaters? I mean that became one of those things 144 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:01.160 where there was the one big movie that everybody. 145 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.439 This is the way that he holds the cigarette in 146 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:03.959 this movie. 147 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:09.839 It like like, look, I remember it. It's memorable, but 148 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:15.160 it also like just kind of odd. It irrationally irritates me. 149 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.920 But that's that's well, sorry, I'm pivoting a little bit. 150 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:23.000 But like so him saying he wanted to go big, Yeah, 151 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.600 this led to sort of a string of performances I 152 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:29.439 feel like for Travolta, where when this ended, without even 153 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:31.160 thinking about it, I thought, man, you know what I'd 154 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:32.600 like to rewatch is Swordfish. 155 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:36.200 You know what's funny is is I was like, because 156 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:38.000 because this is like his first time playing a villain, 157 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:42.080 and I was like, did the record get stuck or something? Right, 158 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:44.639 because he was pretty much just in this lane for 159 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:46.559 a while exactly. 160 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.399 So he does this in Swordfish Pelham one two three, right, 161 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.000 like he's playing these kind of big like kind of 162 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:59.279 post Tarantino, you know, like their little hip you know. 163 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:02.120 I mean even even the face off right where he's 164 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:06.039 the Nick Cage character is played by him. 165 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:08.240 Yes, yes, and kind of the pup has got a 166 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:10.480 brand new bag, you know, kind of a thing he's doing. 167 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:16.519 Yeah, which I don't No, I don't know. I mean, 168 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:18.720 tell me, what do you what do you do you feel? 169 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:24.279 I think always like goofy. I think Travolta is very watchable, certainly. 170 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:25.879 That's what I was wondering. Yeah, I mean, does it 171 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:29.039 work just on because of that? It just makes it watchable? 172 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:31.159 Would it be less interesting if he wasn't doing it? 173 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:38.840 Okay? So my feeling is that the character is less 174 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:42.279 interesting because he goes so big with it. M M 175 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:45.360 I because in essence, when you think about it, I 176 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:48.480 mean this this in terms of what he does in 177 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.039 the movie. He's not that far removed from from Ed 178 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:55.279 Harris in The Rock, Right, Yeah, it's the why that's 179 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:59.399 substantially different, right, And I think I think what Ed 180 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:03.879 Harris really excels at is just the the smoldering silence. 181 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:09.840 Yeah oh yeah, yeah. And and I think Travolta is 182 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:14.480 playing a little more campy, you know, And and that's fine. 183 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.080 Bear in mind like this, this was this moment where 184 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:20.480 John Travolta's name of the title is enough to make 185 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:23.879 a movie a hit, which you know, how long did 186 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:28.279 that last? About five six years? Maybe? Yeah? Right? So, 187 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.519 I you know, they wanted him to play the Christian 188 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:34.240 Slater character, and he's like, no, I want to be 189 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:36.600 the villain. So I understand that because it gave him 190 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:40.279 a chance to stretch a little totally. But I do wonder, 191 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:42.600 you know, if if the movie might have worked better 192 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:47.519 with him as Hale. Yeah. Maybe. And you go with 193 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.360 it because it has written the deacon's character is a 194 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.399 little older. You go to somebody a little older, you know, hm, 195 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:57.360 who would you put in there? Then I'm well, you know, 196 00:10:57.399 --> 00:10:59.840 it's funny, it's reflexively I'm like Ed Harris, oh wait. 197 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.159 Yeah, yeah, sure, But you know what though, Yeah, I mean, well, 198 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:05.879 I guess obviously because we know it works. 199 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:10.440 But yeah, yeah, yeah, circa nineteen ninety six. I'm not sure, 200 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:12.919 you know, yeah, I don't know. I don't have to 201 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:13.360 think about that. 202 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:19.679 Yeah, but you know, it's funny because this is kind 203 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:23.519 of that moment. It's interesting looking at each decade and 204 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:29.799 what action movies are like, right, I mean, they get a. 205 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.720 Little I don't know if you call it meta, but 206 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:34.559 they become. 207 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:40.240 Like the eighties was action figures come to life, you know, 208 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:45.240 who could like Schwartzenegger and Stallone and you know, crazy 209 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:47.679 over the top muscles. And then the nineties was you know, 210 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:53.159 more normal looking sort of dudes in crazy situations. Yeah, 211 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:55.080 you know, against all odds, but with like a lot 212 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:57.039 of humor, you know. I mean it makes me think 213 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.480 of con Air and the Rock and Face Off and 214 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:02.399 you know, you have a little bit of a wink 215 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:02.799 going on. 216 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:06.679 Kind of even die Hard and Speed to some extent. 217 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:08.639 I feel like Diehard in a way kind of kicked 218 00:12:08.679 --> 00:12:09.279 it off, didn't it. 219 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:11.519 Like like there's always like a movie that like ends 220 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:14.320 a decade, you know, like Star Wars in a way 221 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.440 sort of ended the gritty seventies. Yeah, and maybe Diehard 222 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:20.360 sort of ended that action figure eighties. 223 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:23.720 By the way, So my thought here with the fake 224 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:26.399 park ranger guy, I'm like, if he's just gonna kill 225 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.360 him anyway, why is he even dressed like a park ranger. 226 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:31.759 You know, it's funny because I hadn't seen this in 227 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:33.840 thirty years. I thought the guy in the tent was 228 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:34.759 going to be the bad guy. 229 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:36.240 He's where he's not. 230 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:40.000 Supposed to be interesting, like, oh, I'm not supposed to 231 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:41.639 be here, and I was waiting for him to draw 232 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:44.480 a gun interesting, And then I felt really bad. 233 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:47.799 I know, bro just catches fack and then they shoot 234 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:49.919 the old lady. That's terrible. I know, at least they 235 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.440 don't show it like these guys are bad, Brian. 236 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.600 I don't know, that's my sense, but this does remind 237 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:59.559 me of the sort of eighties excess action of the guy, 238 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:01.679 Like not only does he get like shot to death, 239 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:03.639 but he like lands in the middle of the fire pit. 240 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:09.600 Oh and by the way, here's Bob Gunton playing uh 241 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:15.440 the second of his lovable father figure rolls after Shawshank redemption. Right, 242 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:19.279 He's just like he's an unrepented asshole all the time. 243 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:22.600 He's got resting asshole face he does, but like he's. 244 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:23.960 One of those people where you don't even need to 245 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.600 write a lot for him, Like he brings whatever. 246 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:29.919 He is a type. He is the Bob Gunton type. Yep, yep. 247 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:32.879 Some people just have that magic, and he definitely does. 248 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:36.440 Although tell me, like the minute he's like, Deacons, what 249 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:39.759 are you doing, I'm like, Oh, he's about to He's 250 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:44.639 gonna He's gonna die horribly. What you want to tell him? Like, dude, 251 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:46.039 just shut up? I know. 252 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:52.600 But yeah, So now we've got Travolta and Slater in 253 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:55.600 the plane and I'm like, oh, they're buds because I 254 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:57.159 thought they hated each other. 255 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:00.799 Yeah. See, that's the interesting thing. I I do kind 256 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:04.440 of like that the opening boxing scene. We tie back 257 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:06.399 to that at the end, so it sort of you know, 258 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:08.639 it ties a bow around the whole thing, right right 259 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:12.600 the Yeah, and but yeah, that was my thought is 260 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.360 I think I think if we started out with kind 261 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:18.840 of a playful spar session, yeah, and then we end 262 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:22.480 with just like a fight to the dead, that that 263 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:25.240 would heighten the stakes, you know. I agree, Like I. 264 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:28.200 Wish it had felt a little warmer because then when 265 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.919 Travolta turns in the plane and he like looks over 266 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:35.159 sort of sinister, that would have felt even more devastating. 267 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.120 And then yeah to your point at the end, then yes, 268 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:40.039 then they have like a fistfight at the end again, 269 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:43.840 but it's completely different. But it felt antagonistic from the start. 270 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:48.759 Delroy Lindo and. 271 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:54.159 It freshly minted Oscar nominee Delroy Lindo. Oh wait from 272 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.120 which for sinners? Oh? I thought you meant in the nineties. No, no, 273 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:00.559 as we record this right, yes, right right in the 274 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:04.200 in the here and now. Yeah, man, I'm trying to 275 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:06.759 remember where I first saw him. Oh, I first saw 276 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:11.279 him in another Travolta movie and Get Shorty, Get Shorty. Yeah, 277 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:14.159 maybe that or The Hard Way that was a big 278 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:18.240 one for my I didn't see that until later. Ransom, 279 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:19.840 you know what, I bet Ransom is the one that, 280 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:21.919 like where he really made like a huge impression on me. 281 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:24.279 He was great. And see the thing is, Delroy Lindo 282 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:30.399 is always like earnest and like determined, you know, and 283 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:32.799 it's like, man, this is a guy. I'd follow this guy. 284 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:40.440 I totally He's uh, it's just I'm remembering this moment. 285 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:42.320 I was like, do I tell this whole story? But 286 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.399 basically I was in a bar and I saw Keith David. 287 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:46.600 Okay, and. 288 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.000 But it was like when we were still wearing masks. 289 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:52.200 So I like, I just entered the restaurant, I was 290 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:53.080 wearing a mask. 291 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:54.480 And I saw Keith David. I was like, oh, crap's 292 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:54.960 Keith David. 293 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:57.919 And so I wanted to like acknowledge him, but I 294 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:00.440 didn't think he could see my face, you know, like. 295 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.000 Me smiling or whatever. So I did like a little bow. 296 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:05.960 Okay, I put my like my hands together and did 297 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:07.360 like a little bow. And then he did like a 298 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:09.279 little thing back, which was like hey, all right and awesome, 299 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:11.240 and I was just eat like Dela Roy Lindo gives 300 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:12.639 me that same thing, Like if I saw him in 301 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:14.679 a restaurant, I feel like I need to acknowledge. 302 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.200 Him, like dude, you would bow? Yeah, I just like 303 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:20.799 a little dude, You're great man. Yeah. It's funny because 304 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:22.480 he was a couple of years later, he was in 305 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.559 a movie called Romeo Must Die. Do you remember that? 306 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:29.159 I do? Yeah, with Aliyah and jet Lee, and that 307 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:31.919 whole movie is just absolutely cockamami and it's it's just 308 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:34.799 tonally all over the place, right right. But then you 309 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:37.320 got del Roy Lindo as a Leah's dad and if 310 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:39.200 he is not acting as if he is in the 311 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:41.480 most serious, dramatic role of his career. 312 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:45.519 Yeah, yeah, And I just love that he totally I 313 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:47.639 mean again going back to the like those character actors 314 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:51.000 that just have that singular magic. I mean, him in 315 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.759 that opening scene, just sitting there existing like all right, 316 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.159 well now it's time to like he's just adding the 317 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.519 thing that only he can add that makes that character 318 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:01.399 immediately interesting. 319 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:02.159 Yeah. 320 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:07.359 I do love this whole conceit here right where it's 321 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:09.720 like they're trying to see if they can hide I 322 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:18.599 guess from radar carrying these nuclear missiles. Yeah, it didn't 323 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:20.079 make me nervous to where he's like, all right, we're 324 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:22.599 what do you say, like, we're one hundred yards above 325 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:27.079 the ground. Yeah, but there's like some little. 326 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:31.839 Peak or cragg you miss. Yeah. I'm still trying to 327 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:37.279 game out like whether Deacon's plan makes even a lick 328 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:42.839 of sense. It seems like there's too many variables, and 329 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:44.640 so I'm like, and then I'm like, why am I 330 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:47.599 over there? I'm like, what am I doing? You know? 331 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:51.200 Right right? What's the first one that comes to mind? Well, 332 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:53.880 it's so much of it relies on being at a 333 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:57.960 certain place and having you know, like at one point, 334 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:03.200 you know he his plan rested on Hale trying to 335 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.480 disarm it right right, right right, and this stuff. You know, 336 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:09.680 it's a lot of a lot of that stuff, you know. 337 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:13.119 Yeah, Yeah, it's funny too if there's a drop off 338 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:14.880 spot and they're in a plane that's going like who 339 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.359 knows how many miles an hour over the crownd. 340 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:25.559 Is he right there? He says yeah. He's like, you 341 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:27.759 get off on it, and it seems like a pretty 342 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:34.599 innocuous insult. Yeah, it's like that's what triggered Deacons, you bastard. 343 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:36.720 Don't tell me what I get off on. 344 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:42.039 But like that insane over the top like close up 345 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:45.079 zoom in on his eyes or whatever. That's you're like, oh, yeah, 346 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:48.559 John Wu, you know what I mean? Like I feel 347 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.240 like John Wu like really had like his huge moment. 348 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:54.240 Well I mean he had a big moment before all 349 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:56.079 his movies in the US, but like he really did 350 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:58.160 take the US by storm for. 351 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:01.759 I mean, it was like a four year window. It 352 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.000 feels like, right because you had this because before this 353 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.359 was hard target, which you know I mean that you 354 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:10.839 know that probably hit the ceiling of John Claude van 355 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:13.599 Dam's audience, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he does this, 356 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:18.720 and then the next year was Face Off, and then 357 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:21.200 I think after that was Mission Impossible too, right, Oh 358 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:25.440 really was there anything in between? You? Maybe? Right? No, 359 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:28.240 I guess you're right, and then like wind Talker's Paycheck, 360 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:30.720 and then was yeah and none of those performed. Yeah, 361 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:34.039 But but I mean the fact that his style was so. 362 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:40.599 Like fresh feeling and exciting that it wasn't like he 363 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:43.319 was just making Jet Lee movies, you know, or something 364 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:44.279 where it's like, oh, it's action. 365 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:45.279 Who cares about the plot? 366 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:46.559 Like as long as you know, as long as the 367 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:48.799 action is cool and flashing over the top, like Tom 368 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:51.359 Cruise was like that's my guy. Like Mission Impossible one 369 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:53.720 made by Brian de Palma, and then with two his 370 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:56.240 follow up, he's like, no, man, I want that. 371 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:01.240 I ended up with the worst one out of all eight. Yeah, 372 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:08.079 but it does remain a amazing time capsule. 373 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:10.480 I will give you that a moment, right, I mean, 374 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:13.880 just the crazy like the zoom in close ups and 375 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:16.759 the you know, kicking a gun on the ground and 376 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:18.359 then it flies up into the air so you can 377 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.039 spin around and pick it up with doves flying behind him. 378 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:24.039 You know, like it was a moment. It was, you know, 379 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:31.319 And I will say I think that's what does make 380 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:35.400 this movie a little bit better than just being something 381 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:39.559 that would be kind of forgettable otherwise. I absolutely agree 382 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:39.759 with that. 383 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.599 I mean, the helicopter propeller thing when it's coming at 384 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.119 Samantha mathis like all that stuff, that's the stuff that 385 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:48.720 makes this worth going back to thirty years later, because otherwise, 386 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:50.960 like the plot itself, unfortunately, even though it's an intrigued, 387 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:52.839 pretty goofy yeah. 388 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.119 It doesn't really feel like much by this. I mean, 389 00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:59.160 especially when you know, with hindsight, we're like, this is 390 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.880 the writer of Speed and the creator of Justified and 391 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:06.200 all this stuff. They're like, well, this on the story 392 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:09.279 level kind of a swing and a miss. I think. 393 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:12.319 I think John gives it a little bit of zazz totally, 394 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:15.200 you know, And certainly that's what audiences were in the 395 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.880 mood for back then, because this was a pretty substantial hit. Yeah. 396 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.039 I made one hundred and fifty million worldwide on a 397 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:23.640 budget of around fifty. 398 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:28.279 Remember when both of those figures were okay, yeah, yeah, 399 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:32.000 that was good, right, which is wild when you think 400 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.759 about one hundred and fifty million worldwide in nineteen ninety 401 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:38.599 six money, and now some like you know, marvel Movie 402 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:41.079 or something like or them Marvels didn't even maybe make 403 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:45.200 or maybe made about one hundred worldwide. Yeah, it's it's. 404 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:47.440 Crazy the box office, Like you can't just when you 405 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:50.279 get used to what movies look like they should be making, 406 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:57.319 like the game changes, I know, seriously. Yeah, hey, it's 407 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:01.240 it's a whole table of Hey, that guys, totally. 408 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:05.039 Yeah. We got kurtwood Smith right holding court right up. 409 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:07.920 So you talk about a type. He just waiting for 410 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:09.359 him to call somebody a dumb ass. 411 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:11.480 I dude, I was waiting for him to be like 412 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:13.759 a mole or something, or like some bad guy just 413 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:15.519 because maybe RoboCop or something. 414 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:18.559 And that fell on the on the left there in 415 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:23.079 the previous shot. That's Daniel von Bargain. He was. He 416 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:27.279 was George's boss on Seinfeld, one of George's bosses. Oh 417 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:30.400 really yeah, And of course Frank Whaley look at the 418 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:31.720 big brain on Brett. 419 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:34.559 Yeah, I was happy to see him. And then I mean, 420 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:37.680 this is a pulp fiction reunion for him and John Travolta. 421 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:41.799 That's right. Although I don't believe they occupy any scenes together, 422 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:45.039 not in this. Yeah, doesn't it feel like Frank Whaley's 423 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:49.000 character should be bigger in the story. 424 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.599 One hundred percent. He reminded me of John Cusack. 425 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:55.920 I was gonna say, he's the John Cusack character. Yes, yes, 426 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:57.799 in conn Air, Yeah, in Connor yep. 427 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:00.200 Like he's the guy who's not the action he zo, 428 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:03.200 but he's got like the know how and the smarts 429 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:04.559 and he knows what he needs to do on the 430 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:07.039 side sidelines to get the job done. 431 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:11.799 Yeah. It almost feels like because they didn't get a 432 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:14.200 bigger name, they were like, yeah, we can just kind 433 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:16.960 of disappear like two thirds of the way through. Yeah. 434 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:20.920 But he so I thought he right here where he 435 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:23.160 sort of like tells them I don't remember what he 436 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:28.279 says exactly, but like this plan is dumb. I thought, then, Oh, shoot, 437 00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:31.000 kurtwood Smith was going to be like, come with me, 438 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:33.039 young man, and take him into another room and basically 439 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:35.000 like lock him up, or that was like what I 440 00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:39.279 was anticipating. But Waley, man, he was like, I mean, 441 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:42.480 he's he's still going. But like in the nineties he 442 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:44.640 was having a real moment. I mean, actually eighty nine 443 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:46.599 with Field of Dreams. He was Archie Graham. 444 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:48.119 Yeah, that's right. 445 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:50.400 And then you know, he was in I mean Swing Kids, 446 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:52.279 which I think is kind of like a cult hit, 447 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.480 but I remember it pretty well. JFK, Career Opportunities, pulp fiction, 448 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:58.720 Swimming with Sharks, like he was having a real moment 449 00:23:59.039 --> 00:23:59.680 in the nineties. 450 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:03.359 That's interesting. We don't see him as much anymore. 451 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.440 Yeah, that's interesting. I could see him being on some 452 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:11.720 good show or something, you know. I mean, he's he's interesting. 453 00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:17.640 Well, I was. I was thinking that about Christian Slater 454 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:19.599 watching because because he's a lot of fun in this. 455 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:22.519 Actually I was like, I was like, I don't know, 456 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:24.759 maybe just because you know, we grew up with Christian Slater, 457 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:27.039 and I'm like, it's nice to see him kind of 458 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:30.079 be the focal point in an action picture. I don't 459 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:34.720 think he did a whole ton, but I was like, 460 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:37.440 you know, I want to see him do like a 461 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:39.559 he should be doing an NCIS or something. 462 00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:42.440 You know, dude, one he's actually I don't think he 463 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:44.519 is a spoiler, but he shows up at the end 464 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.680 of If I had legs, i'd kick you, okay, just 465 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:48.839 in the third act, and I was like. 466 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:54.799 Questions later, Hey, nice to see you. There's there's that 467 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:58.400 one movie and I don't remember what it's called, but 468 00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:01.279 he plays like the head of like a team who 469 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:04.880 investigate serial killers or something like that, and he has 470 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:09.160 like this death that's freaking goddamn horrifying. Okay, and so 471 00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:11.640 it's it's one it's like the Drew Barrymore in Scream 472 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.519 kind of death. Oh sure, sure. And it's like this 473 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:19.279 elaborate set of it's like a him and his team 474 00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:21.599 going to this place and they trigger a trap that 475 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:27.079 sets off like a like a what do you call it, uh, 476 00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:30.640 Rube Goldberg kind of It's like this elaborate Rube Goldberg 477 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:34.359 thing exactly, and it and it's it's oh god, damn it. 478 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:39.079 You know the it like freezes you liquid nitrogen, liquid nitrogen. Yeah, 479 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:44.359 And so his legs, his ankles freeze and he like 480 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.599 tips over, and then his midsection freezes and he rips open. 481 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:53.599 Was this post saw it may have been, Yeah, I 482 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:55.559 should figure out what the movie is. I saw it 483 00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.519 because somebody online was like, hey, Christian Slater's death and 484 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:02.920 whatever was freaking messed up, and so I naturally I'm like, well, 485 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.680 obviously I have got in your car. Yeah, you know, 486 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.119 he out to Cineplex odeon. I didn't even do that. 487 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:14.480 I pulled it up on YouTube. It's like a relatively 488 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:19.759 recent movie. But holy hell, I'm trying to remember what 489 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:23.759 the movie was though, I don't know. Man, he's interesting. 490 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:25.319 So, I mean, like in the eighties, you know, he 491 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:27.759 kind of had that young Jack Nicholson thing going on, 492 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.319 right with the arched eyebrows and I mean he's like 493 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.039 basically imitating Jack Nicholson in Heathers. 494 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.000 Yeah, but then he had sort of like cuff mind Hunters, right, 495 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:42.240 that's the movie mind Hunter Hunters. Yeah, so it's a film. 496 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:47.440 It's it's it is a film, Yeah, two thousand and four. 497 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:51.279 Wait is this the Val Kilmer is in it? Oh, 498 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:53.559 I'm thinking it was something else. It actually is a 499 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:55.759 pretty crazy cast. Yeah, a little cool Jay's in it. 500 00:26:55.839 --> 00:27:00.119 Johnny Lee Miller. Christian Slater is the ant and we 501 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:04.680 know why he's the and right right direct by Rannie Harlan. Actually, 502 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:07.640 oh interesting. Anyway, look that up. I had to see it, 503 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:13.279 so you should too. I'll report back. Yeah. I'm like, 504 00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:19.039 oh hey, guys, no, like you know, like the early nineties, 505 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.839 pump up the volume. This is a little little reunion. 506 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.319 Speaking of Pump up the Volume with Samantha Mathis, Yeah, 507 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:28.799 we're about to see right here. Basically they have their 508 00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:30.119 little meat cute. Yeah. 509 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:32.759 Well, because they then they dated in real life and 510 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:34.359 they were broken up at this point. So I was 511 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.400 reading that they both found it a little awkward. 512 00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.559 Although I mean they they're fun together. Oh they're good. 513 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.799 Oh no, totally in the movie. I mean you you 514 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.599 wouldn't know that. I think Jennifer Aniston was up for this. 515 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:50.400 That's interesting, isn't it. I mean, this is what friends 516 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.359 had started. Huh. Friends was about two years and yeah, 517 00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.960 so I read Helen I see a little less. But 518 00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:00.400 I guess she went and did Twister her and and 519 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:04.079 that movie didn't do much of anything. So I mean, yeah, 520 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:08.240 she chose wisely. I could see Jennifer Aniston in this. 521 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.319 You know, she would bring an interesting energy. 522 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.039 I don't know that I'd feel a lot of like 523 00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:16.000 chemistry between them necessarily, but she would bring a fun 524 00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:20.240 almost like Sandra Bullock and Speed kind of fun I 525 00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:23.240 think to it with their personality. 526 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.359 I don't know that there's a ton of chemistry between No, 527 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:31.799 these two either. No, I don't disagree with that, and 528 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.000 it's almost like the movie knows that because we don't 529 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.759 even end with like a clinch or anything. You know. Yeah, 530 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.640 they like hold hands. I think they shake hands like 531 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:42.319 and then we cut to black. 532 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:44.799 Well, at least they're touching. It does feel like there's 533 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:46.079 a scene missing, but we can get to that. 534 00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.000 Yeah, you know, it's funny. I also read that they 535 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:50.880 thought about this by the way that real Okay, this 536 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:52.799 is like a very John Wu thing where they both 537 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:54.240 draw at the same time. 538 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:58.000 And yes, these sort of standoffs or stalemates where the 539 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:01.279 characters both have a weapon drawn on you each other, kind. 540 00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:03.960 Of like so what do we do now? Yeah, there's 541 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.920 a lot of those in John Wu movies and in 542 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.839 this movie. Yeah, that's right. 543 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.599 But yeah, I'd read that they thought about Lauren Hally 544 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:13.799 and I was like, wow, she looks like Lauren Holly 545 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:15.920 in this movie. Yeah, almost like they wanted Holly and 546 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:17.279 they're like, here, put on this wig. 547 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:24.160 They did like a vertigo with Jimmy Stewart's character, you know, 548 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:26.279 where he's like, right, right, right, let's do this. 549 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.119 Yeah, but real quick, I have to say I have 550 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.839 a Christian Slater story, which is back in the day 551 00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:34.400 I was working somewhere and a friend. 552 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.480 Fired some liquid nitrogen at his I was the guy. 553 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.519 I was the mind hunter you pastored. 554 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.200 No, But I was working at a studio and this 555 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.720 one girl was like, Hey, there's gonna be a led 556 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:49.079 Zeppelin laser light show. 557 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:49.720 We should all go. 558 00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.680 And so we, you know, a few of us show up, 559 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.160 and I thought it was gonna be really cool and 560 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.759 she was gonna be cool. And then we learned later 561 00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:58.880 that everyone else was like, why are we doing this? 562 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.039 Aye going to this theater and then sitting two rows 563 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:05.839 behind us Christian Slater. 564 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:06.559 Wow. 565 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:11.200 Yeah, so uh yeah we saw the same led Zeppelin 566 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:12.160 laser light show. 567 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:14.200 Did you sidle up next to him be like I 568 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.759 loved you and broken arrow? I should have? I should have? 569 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:21.240 He's like ah, and then he moves like two seats down. 570 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:24.400 Even the way you just did that made me think 571 00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:30.000 of him. Ah, I'm just suit over down seats here. 572 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:32.359 He had a TV show. I don't know if you remember. 573 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:33.880 It was called My I think it was like my 574 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:38.720 own Worst Enemy. I don't remember that, yes is the problem. 575 00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:43.240 I'm pretty sure it was like an NBC something or other. Oh, 576 00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:47.680 like a comedy, Oh my comedy. Yeah, it was a drama. 577 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.119 It was canceled after its fourth episode. 578 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:58.960 Yeah, it was one of them, oh Man, Taylor Lautner, Yeah, wow, Saffron, 579 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:03.240 Burrows and Cromwall nine episodes. Good lord, So it got 580 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.680 canceled before like it it even aired its completed episodes. Wow. 581 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.480 I also remember him really early on in a movie 582 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:11.960 called Gleaming the Cube. 583 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:18.480 This yeah yeah, yeah. Anyway, so this movie for him 584 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:20.279 was I mean, that's what I'm saying, in terms of 585 00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:22.480 visibility and the type of role kind of kind of 586 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:24.359 a big deal. And I think for the most part 587 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.640 he quits himself. Fine, you know, yeah, I think so. 588 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.279 But but I do think that there the energy levels 589 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:39.839 are very off between him and Travolta, definitely, right, And 590 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:43.880 so you know, I think I think that this goes 591 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:46.440 to what we were talking about before, where Deacons he's 592 00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:51.240 playing him like a like a like a comic book villain, 593 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.799 you know, and and I, like I said, I think 594 00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:59.880 that makes him watchable, but it it does. Ah, I 595 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.559 I bump up against that a little bit, right, Yeah, yeah, 596 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.319 just because I like a more complicated villain, you know. No, 597 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.559 I agree, and I admire the swing. 598 00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:16.920 Yeah, maybe it's not even like captured properly at times, 599 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.240 like he's doing these big goofy like you say, like 600 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.279 comic book villainy sort of what a yeah, but like 601 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:25.039 sometimes they're not even in close up. He's like in 602 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:27.559 like a medium shot and then he just like reveals 603 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:28.599 how awkward it is. 604 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:34.759 You know now, Now that being said, man, the Deacons theme, 605 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.920 Oh yeah, dude, I love it. By the way, So 606 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.559 I mean, yes, it's the Dewey theme also in Scream Too. Dude. 607 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.799 When I was watching this, I was like, that is 608 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:48.319 the Dowey theme. Yeah, Like I'm confused, And so then 609 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:49.160 I googled it and. 610 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.839 Basically, did you read about this? They tempt to Scream 611 00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:54.640 Too with this, Yes, and they just kept it right. 612 00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:55.599 They liked it too much. 613 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:57.839 Yeah, and they I think they showed it even to 614 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.839 like a test audience, and it just it all completely worked, 615 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.839 and they're like, well, we're just gonna use the theme 616 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.680 from Broken Arrow the Dewey's theme in the screen movies 617 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:07.079 from now on. 618 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:10.559 See. So I watched this for sure before I saw 619 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:14.599 Scream Too, and so I remember, and I had the soundtrack. 620 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.599 I loved the soundtrack. Yeah, And so when we see 621 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:19.559 Dewey and scream two. I'm like, wait a minute, I 622 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:21.920 know that you know that well at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 623 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.200 I knew it very well. Yeah, that is so funny. 624 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.519 I wonder how often that's happened. Every now and then 625 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.599 you will see in the credits. Oh, I'll try to 626 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.319 google and talk in a minute. But I remember at 627 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.559 the end of some movie it said death of a 628 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:42.720 turtle from the movie My Blue Heaven or something interesting, 629 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:45.920 and I was like, oh, that's so fascinating, Like it's 630 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.039 just a really random track from a movie. I don't 631 00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:49.839 think a lot of people pull from often, but it 632 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:51.960 must have been a case where yeah, they tempt the 633 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.440 movie with something and people are like, we can't beat this. 634 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.519 They just ended up licensing score from another film for 635 00:33:58.599 --> 00:33:59.240 their own film. 636 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.599 How often that happens? I can think of at least 637 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:07.240 a few times that I can remember. Oh, by the 638 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.480 real quick, I kind of love you know VONDI Curtis 639 00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:12.920 hall Over here. He was a villain in Diehard too, 640 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.440 and now he gets the treatment that the villains do 641 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:21.119 to the guys in Diehard. To remember like the oh yeah, 642 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:26.360 totally there you go, hoisted by one's own petard. One 643 00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:31.599 might say so Here's an example of this. Comes to 644 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:37.199 mind as I'm talking to you. The movie Troy. The 645 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.840 scene where Brad Pitt and Eric Banna have their sword fight. Yeah, 646 00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.039 the music during that scene, I mean, the score is 647 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:47.840 like Harry Gregs and Williams are Don Zimmer or something, right, 648 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.639 But in that scene it's Danny Elfman's theme from the 649 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:56.119 Tim Burton Planet of the Apes. Really, it's just straight 650 00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:59.840 up that theme. H Isn't that weird? That is weird? 651 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:04.400 We by the Okay I found it. Turtle Death. 652 00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.239 I can't believe I remember the name of the piece, 653 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:08.320 Turtle Death. 654 00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:09.960 A piece of Ira. 655 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.760 Newborn score from the motion picture My Blue Heaven is 656 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:14.800 used in the film Problem Child too. 657 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.239 Wow. That just shows you what kind of kid I was. 658 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:20.800 I was like eleven years old watching Problem Child two 659 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.360 and watching the credits and being like, wait a minute, 660 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:25.639 that piece is from the other movie that I saw 661 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:26.639 was Steve Martin in it. 662 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.800 My Blue Heaven. Yeah, it's so weird that we have 663 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.239 that movie as a specific point of reference because, like, 664 00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:36.679 I remember being a kid in Saudi Arabia and we 665 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.800 lived in an apartment building, and so sometimes it would 666 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.440 be like parties either above or below, and so my 667 00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:43.320 brother and I we would just go get food from 668 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.280 the party and then we'd just come back to our apartment, 669 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:46.960 which was empty because my parents were at the party, 670 00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.239 and we always had like a movie to watch. And 671 00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.760 so for me, my memory is of watching My Blue Heaven. Really, 672 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:56.079 so like every once and while, I'll tell my brother, 673 00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:57.519 I'm like, hey, why don't we just snak away, let's 674 00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:58.960 go watch My Blue Heaven. I guess. 675 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:05.639 That's really funny, which like a little hit like Lost Gem. 676 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:07.280 That's really good movie. 677 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.960 Yeah, it's a really good movie. Yeah. Uh Troy. By 678 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.280 the way, the score by the late great James Horner. 679 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:14.079 I want to credit credit where due. 680 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.199 Yeah, sorry, we're talking a little bit over the movie here. 681 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:21.840 But dude, Howie Long Eh he had like kind of 682 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:23.760 an action career for a second. 683 00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.239 Yeah, well, based on this they get well, first of all, 684 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.360 his character was supposed to die early, and they just 685 00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:29.480 kind of liked what he was doing. 686 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:33.039 He's got a great look, I mean that big square 687 00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:36.360 ahead of his you know, the flat top. 688 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.159 And not not a bad actor, certainly in this movie. 689 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.840 He's him. Yeah, he Well, he could have been like 690 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.719 another Brian Bosworth. No, for sure. 691 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:48.199 I mean, I'm not sure that I could see him 692 00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.559 carrying a movie necessarily, but like he's great as like 693 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:55.760 like a lackey with that a memorable lackey or charming lackey. 694 00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:00.599 Yeah, yeah he was. He headlined a movie on after this, 695 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:04.679 maybe the following year, called Firestorm. Okay, I kind of 696 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:06.920 remember this video is like a story he plays like 697 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:10.320 a firefighter or something, and and you know, it's pretty forgettable. 698 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.920 I I honestly I don't remember whether he was good 699 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.840 or not, but clearly he didn't get more of a 700 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:22.159 movie career after that. So yeah, but you know, not bad. 701 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.679 And I mean you get a football career, an announcing career, 702 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:26.039 you get some movies under your belt. 703 00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:28.360 I mean he's still doing that, right, he's still announcing. Yeah, 704 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:36.480 there you go. Yeah. So anyway, where where are we 705 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.199 on the story here? So we got to he dropped 706 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.239 the bombs? This guy thinks Bob Gunton, Bob Gunton is 707 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.679 like two seconds away from going you you actor to 708 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.519 John Trabolta, and he like you know, pushes him out 709 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:51.800 a window. Basically he's that guy from The Rocketeer, you. 710 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:57.159 Know, right right like stop stop stop reference by the way, 711 00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:58.920 because I thought you were going to say another gund 712 00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.039 In performance. No, no, no, no, that's just a really 713 00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:03.880 but that's perfect, that's exactly You're right, that's a perfect example. 714 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.000 Like, don't say that he's just gonna like kill you. 715 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:12.480 Why would you say that, Bob Gunton by that. I 716 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:13.920 don't know if you know this. He was the body 717 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:21.320 double for the ghost of Egon Spangler in Ghostbusters Afterlife. Wow. Yeah, yeah, 718 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.519 so like on set? Random, Yeah, on set he was 719 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.079 the guy and then they overlaid a digital Harold Ramis 720 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:33.159 mask on him. Interesting. Yeah, I mean you could get anybody, yeah, 721 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.639 you know for the body. They just wanted a performance. 722 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:41.079 I guess that's great. Maybe he knew him, Yeah, possibly her. 723 00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:44.760 He's a friend of friend of the wrightman's possibly. Yeah. Interesting. 724 00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:53.199 So Samantha Mathis was between you know, pump up the 725 00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.519 volume in this. She was Princess Peach in the Super 726 00:38:56.599 --> 00:39:02.039 Mario Brothers movie. That's right, that's right, and then she uh, 727 00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:05.880 gosh what eight years after this, she was in another 728 00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:11.199 trouble To movie. She was in The Punisher. Oh but 729 00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:13.840 I don't remember it very well. Yeah, the Thomas Jane one. Yeah, 730 00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:15.880 she's she's the Punisher's wife. 731 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.519 Oh interesting, Oh okay, oh yeah, so she doesn't make 732 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:27.000 it far in the movie. I remember that, yeah, yeah, yeah, geez. 733 00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.920 They're like, let's just massacre his whole extended family. Remember that, Yes, 734 00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.039 yeah I do, I do. I remember. It's pretty rough 735 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:36.119 now that that movie by way of comparison, right, like, 736 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.239 I think, I think John really does elevate the action, yes, 737 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:43.480 whereas The Punisher, for example, is directed by Jonathan Hensley 738 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:47.880 for the first time director. And and that's why that 739 00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.719 movie is kind of just ordinary, you know. Yeah, I 740 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:57.679 think that like shots like this right here, you know, 741 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.360 where we're tracking them running and stuff like who is 742 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.360 giving a lot of visual interest that that I think 743 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.480 really does, you know, make make you lean forward at 744 00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.639 times totally. It heightens the action for sure, makes it 745 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:14.880 because I think I don't know how much of a 746 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:20.800 reputation this movie has carried forward. I suspect it's a 747 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.199 nostalgic favorite for people who were kind of in the 748 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:25.679 right age range for it, you know, yeah, yeah, but 749 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:27.360 I don't know that it's really lived on. I mean, 750 00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:28.320 maybe you can correct me. 751 00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:32.039 No, I don't, not that I'm aware of, Yeah, but 752 00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.760 you know, I'm just as I'm like looking at what's happening, 753 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.320 I'm realizing how similar this is to speed. You have 754 00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:42.880 kind of a real time issue, you know, and then 755 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.320 you've got this guy who's like a you know, he's 756 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:49.119 military or you could you know, say, you know, Jack 757 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:53.000 Travin is like a police officer. And then you encounter 758 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.119 sort of a normy character, like a female, you know, 759 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.039 and then she gets thrust to the action, and then 760 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.039 they team up and become partners and then kind of 761 00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:04.920 romantic by the end. You know, it's like a little 762 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:06.679 yeh echoes. 763 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:15.760 It's a good point. And yet this character Hale doesn't 764 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:22.440 doesn't quite you know, transcend the screen the way the 765 00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:26.719 way Keanu Reeves's character does. No. I wonder why that is. 766 00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:28.480 By the way, real quick, I just have to call it. 767 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:30.960 This is I was like, this is great. This helicopter 768 00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:35.079 with the back rotor thing coming at her. Yeah, I 769 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.280 wouldn't want to be in that position, you know what. 770 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:37.639 I love. 771 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:39.599 This is the kind of action I feel like we 772 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:43.320 don't see anymore because it doesn't seem big enough on 773 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:44.960 the page, right, you. 774 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:45.360 Know what I mean? 775 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.519 Because now with computers and everything, we can make it 776 00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:52.960 ten times bigger. But like there's something like really understandable 777 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:57.039 and realistic about a helicopter, like you know what I mean, 778 00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:57.840 like the rotor blade. 779 00:41:57.840 --> 00:41:58.280 That's scary. 780 00:41:58.320 --> 00:41:59.719 And if that's coming at you and you frame it 781 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.639 right and you you know, make it really tense. What 782 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:05.840 a scary idea. This helicopter crashing and you missed it. Great, 783 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.320 but it's flipping over and the road is still spinning 784 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:10.480 and it's gonna cut you in half unless you move 785 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:13.079 in time. And then seeing it even hitting the rocks 786 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.679 and sparking like it's really visceral. 787 00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.039 Yeah, you know, I really I love that. That's all 788 00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.000 bad news. I don't want to be. 789 00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:23.159 That's why I enjoy going back to these nineties movies 790 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:26.440 like we do, because they just look different, you know 791 00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:29.119 than movies now, like movies now kind of have. And 792 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:31.960 I'm not even like griping, It's just that's what happens 793 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.599 over time. Things look different. But there's just like a 794 00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.960 different sort of flatter digital machine to everything. 795 00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:40.480 These days these days. 796 00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.039 And so I do enjoy going back to things that 797 00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.559 actually look like they were shot in a real location 798 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.000 and are dusty and you know, grimy and gritty and 799 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.559 like a real practical helicopter. They're obviously not really you 800 00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:56.920 know gon, Yeah, but like you know what I'm saying, 801 00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:58.719 or like the example I always bring up is the 802 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.639 uh when the sw and Terminator two is going down 803 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:04.800 the freeway and then the helicopter crashes into the back 804 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:09.679 of it, right, and I'm like, damn, dude, that's still 805 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:11.719 crazy to me. That looks really hard to do. It 806 00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:17.800 looks really awesome and practical and inventive and exciting, and 807 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:21.519 I just kind of miss that visceral type of action 808 00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:21.920 because we. 809 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:25.639 Just know that much anymore. Well, I think unfortunately, and 810 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:27.440 this is a conversation you and I have had before. 811 00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.920 You know, the realm for movies in that vein has 812 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:37.800 become streaming originals. Yeah, yeah, for whatever reason, And you know, 813 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:42.039 there's just that just feels like a downgrade. Yeah. 814 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:46.400 And even in like the bigger theatrical action movies, I 815 00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:50.079 really I visual effects can be incredible, and when they 816 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.039 are incredible, we don't even notice. But unfortunately, sometimes when 817 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:54.880 you do notice and it's not working quite right, Like 818 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.000 even if you just have like cars flipping over things 819 00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:58.639 or falling off of buildings. 820 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.800 And you're like, man, that doesn't quite right. 821 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:04.880 So then you're not feeling the same thing versus a 822 00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.199 movie from fricking nineteen eighty The Blues Brothers. When you're 823 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:10.440 watching that car chase at the end, which is still 824 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:15.000 incredible and you have all these real cars slamming into 825 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.280 each other, it just hits differently. 826 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:22.800 No pun intended that, yeah, you know. And so it's like, 827 00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:24.760 whenever we have these discussions, right, I have to fight 828 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.360 the urge to just be like, you know, dag namit. 829 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:29.960 I know I don't want to sound like that, but 830 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:33.719 I really do mean that is a pleasure that I 831 00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:35.800 get then out of watching something like this. 832 00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:39.639 Where it's not like the greatest movie really, but the 833 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:40.880 action is fun. 834 00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.840 It's captured in a dynamic way from John wu and 835 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:46.559 it's nice to see some like real cool explosions and 836 00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:50.079 effects and crashes, and you know, so you're. 837 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.239 Still waiting for kurtwood Smith to make because he'll turn here. 838 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.239 I guess when he took Wayley aside and was actually like, okay, 839 00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:57.920 you want to be like. 840 00:44:59.480 --> 00:44:59.519 It. 841 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:05.840 Then he blows his hand off from now I'm thinking 842 00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:10.079 of Brett that shocked look on his face. 843 00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.239 It's so funny because the scene is like so compelling, 844 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.480 and I like probably have the whole thing memorized backwards 845 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:17.599 and forwards, but it's still upsetting when he gets shot. 846 00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:22.599 I know, man, that movie. That movie's on Pluto all 847 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:23.440 the time now. 848 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.480 And I still fiction pulp fiction. I stopped on it 849 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.280 every time. That movie is just so rewatchable to me. 850 00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.639 Yeah, yeah, you know, I screened it occasionally in my 851 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.000 film classes, and it's I mean, it's shocking how many 852 00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.320 people just have forget seen it. They haven't even heard 853 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:37.480 of it. 854 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.559 So how does that play then thirty some years later, 855 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.480 generally they enjoy it for people who don't even know 856 00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:45.480 it's reputation, I mean. 857 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.239 Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty fresh, right, I mean, 858 00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:51.920 like you didn't see a ton of movies really emulating 859 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:56.000 its structure, you know, and it's it's just it's just 860 00:45:56.159 --> 00:46:00.559 overflowing with these compelling performances. So it's still I mean, 861 00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:05.199 that movie, that movie is eternal. Yeah, yeah, I agree. 862 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:08.440 Broken Arrow. 863 00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:12.360 I don't mean to take us down to other avenues here, 864 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.400 but by the way, I have to say, my parents 865 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:18.760 live basically on the border of Tulsa and Broken Arrow 866 00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.199 in Oklahoma. Wow, And it didn't even occur to me 867 00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.840 until like right, before we started, I googled Broken Arrow 868 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.119 to pull up like the IMDb page and then it 869 00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:28.920 said Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. And I was like, oh, yeah, 870 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:32.679 this isn't it funny when you have certain words and 871 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:34.519 I'm like, when I'm thinking about the movie, I'm not 872 00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:36.679 thinking about the city. But when I'm thinking about the city, 873 00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:37.599 I'm not thinking about the movie. 874 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.840 I've never made the connection. You put them in their 875 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:41.719 little in their individual boxes. 876 00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.280 Yeah, this is the kind of incisive commentary everybody showed 877 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:49.360 up for. From me, it's this is like, it looks 878 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:52.280 like Wayne's basement down there, but that's not Wayne's basement. 879 00:46:52.800 --> 00:47:00.920 That weird Now, in terms of the reaction of the 880 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.199 movie us as you and I both do, we checked 881 00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:09.280 out the Ciskel and the Ebert review. Yes, Yes, and 882 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.119 for the first time ever, maybe the only time we saw, 883 00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:18.480 we saw Geene Siskel change his his thumb mide review. Yes. 884 00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:21.000 He started as a thumbs up and by the time 885 00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:22.639 they were done, it was a thumbst down. 886 00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:24.760 He basically he starts with a thumbs up and then 887 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:26.400 Ebert's like, come on. 888 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:31.679 And he's like, yeah, you're right, Yeah, you're right. But 889 00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:33.719 it's funny because you know, I mean they are. 890 00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:39.559 They they're like hardly ever sort of joking like they 891 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.320 really like can get at one another. 892 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.000 Yeah, what I mean. So you see Ciskel a little 893 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:47.880 bit like she's like okay, okay, Like it's like weird 894 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:49.079 to see him in this, like. 895 00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:52.960 You know, relenting, like, Okay, Ebert has the power here 896 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.760 in this moment, I have to acknowledge that. Then it's 897 00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:58.079 funny because he turns it around. He goes, Now, if 898 00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.480 I do this, you have to at least in this moment, 899 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:04.440 change your review about your positive review about Cop. 900 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:04.719 And a Half. 901 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.599 Yes, And it's funny because Ebert pauses for like the 902 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.920 perfect beat and goes, no, I don't think I'll do 903 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:11.280 that like. 904 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:18.239 Cop and a Half, which Ebert gave a thumbs up to. Yes, 905 00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:21.639 And it's it's uh, it's Burt Reynolds and a little boy. 906 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:24.239 Yeah, like a boy witnesses a murderer kind of thing. 907 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.960 So it's like it's like Burt Reynolds's kindergarten cop type thing, 908 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.119 you know, totally And and I haven't seen it, but 909 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:32.920 I saw the poster and that was enough for me 910 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.599 to say I will never watch it. I can picture 911 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:35.360 it in my head right now. 912 00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:37.519 It's it's the boy with the handcuffs and he's putting 913 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.440 it over Burt Reynolds's eyes exactly. 914 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:41.679 I saw it because that was in the in in 915 00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:45.280 comic book ads. Yep, and and I was like, nope, 916 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:48.360 not watching that ever. Yeah, yeah, And I've stood by 917 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.840 that to this day. One of the few promises I've 918 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:56.679 kept to myself, you know. But yeah, So, for for 919 00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.079 whatever reason, Ebert was a puns up on that. 920 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.519 Maybe think of that Robert Frost poem about promises to keep. 921 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.119 You're just like, and you know what, I never did 922 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.039 watch Cup and a half. I had promises to keep 923 00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:12.480 miles ago before I sleep. 924 00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.559 I don't know why. That just made me think of that. Well, 925 00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.639 you give me action sequences like this, I agree, dude, 926 00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.079 by the way, pretty bad ass where he's shooting at 927 00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:25.599 the window but it's bulletproof glass and you see the 928 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.159 ricochets on the glass but Travolta isn't flinching. Yeah, it's 929 00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.639 pretty bad ass. But this did make me laugh where 930 00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:36.119 he's like bulletproof glass. I'm like okay, And then they. 931 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.719 Start shooting through the roof and I was like, well, 932 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:41.000 why would you That makes no sense? Why would the 933 00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.320 whole car not be bulletproof. 934 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:49.880 But the glasses, well, these are humpies. Yeah, and this 935 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:54.440 is the first movie that used military humbies, Is that true? Yeah? 936 00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:55.360 And then Arlt. 937 00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.280 Schwarzenegger saw it and was like, whoa, just remember he 938 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.199 was like one of the first people to dry I've 939 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:02.119 a humvy on the road. 940 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.199 Yeah. And then that's when they started making the hummer 941 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:09.760 Yeah yeah wait I remember. 942 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:14.159 Also in The Rock, isn't there a line where Conrie 943 00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:16.840 steals the guy's car and he's like yeah. 944 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:20.239 Yeah, Yeah, that was such a moment. 945 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:21.719 I mean, it's kind of like the cyber truck or 946 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:24.159 something where it was like they have appeared out of nowhere, 947 00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:26.920 and then it was. 948 00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:29.000 This status symbol and then you realize, well, this is 949 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:33.360 really impractical in like eighty eight percent of my day 950 00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:36.400 to day experiences, you know. Yes, yeah, it just was 951 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.199 like a look that people wanted to flash on the road. Yeah. 952 00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:42.199 But see you see a cyber truck, You're like, oh, 953 00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:46.119 there's an asshole. Well, I mean, I don't know, except 954 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.360 for the people who may be listening right now, No, 955 00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.079 I'm going to say it, I'm not. I'm not. I 956 00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.559 don't I don't feel I don't feel that about people 957 00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:56.920 who drive cyber tucks. I'm saying, if you drive a 958 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:01.039 cyber truck, there is a high probability that people are like, hey, 959 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:03.960 there goes an asshole. Oh, they definitely are not very 960 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.519 popular exactly, So I don't know that Humby's had that 961 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:16.239 same level of of sort of asshole assignation. It's not 962 00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:20.639 quite a band name. What is that assignation? By the 963 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.239 way we're talking over this is pretty cool. 964 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.400 I do like how he improvises with the gas and 965 00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:26.199 the flare. 966 00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.559 That was pretty cool. I gotta say so. I think 967 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.639 that this gets to one of the structural problems of 968 00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:39.360 this movie, which is like chase scene, a brief talking, 969 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.239 chase scene, brief talking, and it's just kind of, you know, 970 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:47.599 the progression doesn't really feel there, you know what I mean? Yeah, No, 971 00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.920 I don't disagree, Like I almost feel like it would. 972 00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:54.280 Well a couple of points. I think Graham Yost was 973 00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.320 probably deliberately trying to do the exact opposite of speed 974 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.519 in what way, well, like speed is like largely confined 975 00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:04.599 to the truck, and then it excuse me, to the bus, 976 00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:06.400 and then you know, later on they do the train thing. 977 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:08.480 He's like, I'm going to do the opposite of that. 978 00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:13.000 I'm going to like basically the whole you know, this 979 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:17.920 whole desert expanse will be my playground. But weirdly, I 980 00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.119 think you lose something because I think if the story 981 00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:25.840 is more contained, it's it's more you know, it's it's 982 00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:32.440 more thrilling, and you know, at times it feels languid. 983 00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:35.320 I don't know, the pacing feels off sometimes, you know, No, I. 984 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:41.079 Agree, I agree, you know, and the action is fun, 985 00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:44.679 but I don't know that it's memorable enough, right, which 986 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.320 probably so as long as if the story's just going 987 00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.320 to be just okay, you at least want your set 988 00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:53.000 pieces to be something where you go, whoa, I haven't 989 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.400 seen that before and you want to watch it again. 990 00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:56.960 I mean, think of Speed, I mean just all the 991 00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:58.719 crazy set pieces with that bus. 992 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:01.920 Yeah, well, when you think about it, with Speed, right, 993 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.159 you have a great action sequence on the elevator, great 994 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:08.199 action sequence on the bus, great action sequence on the train. 995 00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:10.280 And by the way, that's not to say I mean 996 00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:15.880 that movie is just fires on every cylinder, story, acting, action, whatever. 997 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:18.599 But yes, yes, take all that other stuff away. 998 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.599 The action in that movie is super memorable and unique 999 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:23.280 and incredible. 1000 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.280 Yeah. So you know, I I think that the stuff 1001 00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:33.920 that John Wu tends to excel at is weirdly at 1002 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:38.079 cross purposes with with the general thrust of this movie, 1003 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:45.480 which is more you know, like like John Wu, there's 1004 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.239 there's sort of a ballletic approach to his action scenes totally, 1005 00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:59.079 and this isn't really suited to that. Hmm hmmm, because 1006 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:01.320 you know, I'm I'm just thinking of his like Hong 1007 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:05.880 Kong movies, right, like if we're talking about Hard Boiled 1008 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:11.239 for example, you know that you know that there's the 1009 00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:14.800 stakes are you know, it's really getting into like good 1010 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:17.679 and evil and universal reality and stuff. You know, he's 1011 00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:20.159 really getting into some stuff and the action scenes are 1012 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:27.639 are a way of tackling those themes. Yeah. Yeah, this 1013 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:35.880 movie is you know, it's disposable nineties you know, explosion porn, 1014 00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:41.360 you know, and so it it almost feels like John 1015 00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:42.880 Wo outclasses it a little bit. 1016 00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:47.559 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because otherwise maybe change the actors, like 1017 00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:50.000 this would have been kind of like a video store 1018 00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:52.199 Howie Long movie. 1019 00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:54.480 No apologies to how We Long, but you know what 1020 00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:59.480 I mean. Yeah, But I mean, well we should talk 1021 00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:05.079 about the act that that you know, Travolta was at 1022 00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:07.800 this moment in his career where where he was a 1023 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:08.960 legitimate draw. 1024 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:12.400 Well, yeah, pulp fiction had just revived his career. 1025 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:16.280 Yeah, yeah, so pulp Fiction is ninety four, and then 1026 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.599 after that he does Phenomenon. Now that was this year, 1027 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.639 that was ninety six. Phenomenon would have been this summer. Okay, 1028 00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:25.760 so it was Michael, was that ninety five? 1029 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.480 I don't remember the specificity, but I remember all these 1030 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:32.440 like close to one another. 1031 00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:37.199 Yeah. Phenomenon was definitely after this, okay, and then somewhere 1032 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.800 in the middle there was was get shorty yep. But 1033 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:45.599 it's like, it's interesting to me because for sure, during 1034 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:47.960 the time when when you and I were coming up, 1035 00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:53.719 like Travolta had his down period and then he suddenly 1036 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.519 he gets his Oscar nomination from pulp fiction, Suddenly he's 1037 00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:58.880 on top yep. And like I said, there was like 1038 00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.719 there was like a six seven, generously eight year period 1039 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:05.000 where he wasn't above the line draw. 1040 00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.159 For anyone else who's thinking it, I did hear Zach 1041 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:08.199 you say six seven. 1042 00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:17.119 But yes, what's great about that what you just did 1043 00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.639 is that that that like John Travolta's career listening to 1044 00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:22.440 this like ten years Surromni and we're like, what does 1045 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:23.599 that mean? I don't understand what that. 1046 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:26.280 After the nuclear apocalypse and this is like, for some reason, 1047 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:28.639 the only audio people can find to listen to for 1048 00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:30.960 some sort of you know, sense of normalcy. 1049 00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:35.760 They'll be like, I don't understand huddled around the fire together. 1050 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:39.800 But he he was real big, right, yes, and then 1051 00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:45.000 it's just like it just fell off right why? Well? 1052 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.440 So, I mean really, to be specific, like he was 1053 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:50.440 in the seventies right, like Welcome Back cod or Grease, 1054 00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:54.039 Saturday Night Fever. You know, he was like on fire 1055 00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:57.280 and then you know it, the flame was flickering a 1056 00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:59.119 little bit and it was like the look, who's talking movies? 1057 00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:04.000 Like Talking three and yeah, Tarantino injected life back into 1058 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:06.679 his career with pulp fiction. Then yeah, like you said, 1059 00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:10.239 he's he's a draw. When did it taper again? 1060 00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.440 What was that? I'm gonna say early aughts? Yeah, Like 1061 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:19.440 I remember like General's daughter. General's daughter was like two thousand, Okay, 1062 00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:21.199 that was when it was sort of like I don't 1063 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.800 have to see all of his movies, right, and that 1064 00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:26.159 was Yeah, that was like two thousand and then and 1065 00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:30.679 then I remember Basic Yes, right, which wasn't that John McTiernan. 1066 00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:35.320 I want to say it is, Yeah, yeah, And I 1067 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:39.960 mean he's still he still is headlining movies, but they're 1068 00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.320 all like straight to streaming type stuff. Yeah. Yeah, But 1069 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.760 didn't he have like another kind of injection at some point? 1070 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:49.800 Am I wrong? I'm trying to think maybe he was. 1071 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.880 You know, back in twenty nineteen, he was in a 1072 00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:58.320 movie called The Fan, which was directed by Fred Durst. 1073 00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.360 I started Devin Sawa and I'm like one of two 1074 00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:04.440 people who gave that movie a positive review. I reviewed 1075 00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:08.679 it for The Chronicle and I said that Travolta like 1076 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:11.079 he's just doing his character actor thing, you know, and 1077 00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.159 he's and he was fun to watching that, you know. 1078 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:15.760 I thought, yeah, the minority clearly. 1079 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:19.079 Well yeah, yeah, there was like the because I don't 1080 00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:21.440 really remember that movie sadly if it's good. 1081 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.039 But he was doing the Gatti movie remember that for 1082 00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:28.000 movie past? Yep? Yep, that's right. So yeah, kind of 1083 00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:32.159 a weird like he's still he's still a capital S 1084 00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:34.400 star in the sense that people know who he is. 1085 00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:39.039 Yeah, yeah, but he can't carry a movie. I don't 1086 00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:43.280 think you know, it's hard, right, I mean, it's you've 1087 00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:46.719 got to find the right material that you shine in. 1088 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:47.920 Particularly. 1089 00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:52.199 That can't be easy, especially when you know new people 1090 00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:54.639 come up and then they're thinking of those people and 1091 00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:56.119 not thinking of you as much. But you got to 1092 00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:58.400 keep working, so then you make some things that aren't 1093 00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.840 so great. You can continue to pay for your airplanes, 1094 00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:06.119 you know. And then when we see a string of 1095 00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.320 those movies that he's doing, maybe just for paychecks, then 1096 00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.800 we start to think, oh, well, I guess he's not yeah, 1097 00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:11.800 good movies anymore. 1098 00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:15.800 It's a weird, weird professional and I should say I mean, 1099 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:17.679 I mean, everything I've heard is that he's a really 1100 00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:18.199 nice guy. 1101 00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:22.440 Me too, I think I don't know that I've heard 1102 00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.440 a lot of firsthand stories about him, although I did 1103 00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:26.039 see him. 1104 00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:29.320 At Musso and Frank once. Oh it's random, that's pretty exciting, 1105 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.199 be nice to the wait staff. I don't recall. 1106 00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:35.000 I just remember seeing him in a booth and just 1107 00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:36.679 like I was leaving and I was like, holy crap, 1108 00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:37.559 that's John Trobolta. 1109 00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:42.079 And then you sidle up next to him. I loved 1110 00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:48.079 you and broken arrow. He moves two booths down. It's right, 1111 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:55.880 but yeah, yeah, oh he did that OJU mini series 1112 00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.599 remember that. Oh that's right, he was who was he? 1113 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.000 It's Shapiro, that's right. He had like the crazy eyebros. 1114 01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:07.000 I forgot about that. Wow, yeah that was good. Well. Look, 1115 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:10.920 you can see the beginnings of his character actor arc 1116 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:15.880 here in this movie, right, because because when you think 1117 01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:19.800 about it, I I you know, this kind of gets 1118 01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.679 what we were saying earlier. I applaud the swing where 1119 01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:27.840 he's like, he could play hail. It's a standard issue 1120 01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:31.880 action hero, easy check. The movie would probably do well anyway. 1121 01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:35.559 And so he's like, you know what, let me, let 1122 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:36.760 me do something a little different. 1123 01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:42.039 Yeah, right, Yeah, And his performance in here is one 1124 01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:43.760 of the things like if you're going to list like 1125 01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:45.280 three things you remember about. 1126 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:49.000 This movie, yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know. 1127 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.559 All right, so we're underground now. This is the thing too, 1128 01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:55.119 which I think about sometimes in terms of like writing 1129 01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:56.639 a story like this. It's like, all right, well, you've 1130 01:00:56.679 --> 01:01:02.199 got these missiles. How do you staying two hours of 1131 01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:04.920 like back and forth and feeling like there's an opportunity 1132 01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.000 for our hero to get the thing back, but then 1133 01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:09.360 he's got to have it taken away, and how do 1134 01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:11.119 you do that for two hours. 1135 01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:15.440 With these things, you know, So it's I don't know. 1136 01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:16.679 I think they come up with some. 1137 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:21.760 Interesting ideas and locations like this mine here, right, you know, 1138 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:23.599 and like that's an opportunity for one of them to 1139 01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:29.239 go off underground so it doesn't hurt anybody, and you know, 1140 01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:31.639 I don't know's there's some some good stuff here. 1141 01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:37.159 Well, this is this is where it. You know. Having 1142 01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:39.960 the park ranger character is very helpful. 1143 01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:43.840 Yes, yeah, which is which is good because you want 1144 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:45.760 her to not just be sort of like a damsel 1145 01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:49.280 tagging along, like she's got a specific skill set that 1146 01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:55.079 she gets. We get check Off's underground river that she 1147 01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:55.880 mentioned earlier. 1148 01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:01.519 That's right, look at him, he's that's the timer to 1149 01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:05.880 be thirteen and say, look what an asshole this Deacons. 1150 01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.440 I'm just gonna say it, Brian, I don't think this 1151 01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:08.519 Deacons is a good guy. 1152 01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:12.159 I do love it though he puts that in and 1153 01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:13.880 smashes the keypad. 1154 01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:20.960 Just to a Sure, he's so nuts, but the movie, right, 1155 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:23.360 don't you feel like we're missing a step in terms 1156 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:24.599 of why he's so nuts. 1157 01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:29.159 Yes, it's sort of like speed right where you've got Oh, 1158 01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:31.239 well he was like bomb Unit, and then. 1159 01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:35.079 We needed that scene exactly right, because it's like he's 1160 01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:37.960 like I got passed over from promotion, and you know, 1161 01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:40.039 he took things to kind of an extreme place. But 1162 01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:43.559 if we have you know, Frank Whaley or whoever you 1163 01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.039 know with the print out, oh like Deacons and this happened, 1164 01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.800 and then in nineteen ninety two, you know, his wife 1165 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:52.880 died or what like something. You know. I totally agree. 1166 01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:55.920 I mean, The Rock always comes up as one of 1167 01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:59.840 the greatest villains ever because his motivations are so fascinating, 1168 01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:02.400 you know what I mean, where it's like he's the 1169 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:05.760 bad guy, but you also totally get what he wants 1170 01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:10.719 and like can't really disagree. You may disagree with his actions, 1171 01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:14.679 but you understand his motives, you know. But yeah, I 1172 01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:16.719 agree these this is very flimsy here. 1173 01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.159 Yeah, Like that's an odd choice to me, especially considering 1174 01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:26.119 The Rock was literally like like four months away or whatever. 1175 01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:29.320 You know. Yeah, but I feel like The Rock that 1176 01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:33.199 is like the A plus version of this kind of movie, right, 1177 01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:36.840 It really is, I mean, like top to bottom, the direction, 1178 01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:39.920 the writing, the acting, Like it knows it's a silly 1179 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:44.199 action movie and it allows itself to be that, but 1180 01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:49.280 it's also everything is like a plus. Yeah, Like the 1181 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:54.440 casting is a plus, the comedy, the direction, the writing. 1182 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:59.159 As ludicrous as it is, it's still well written. Craziness, 1183 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:02.559 you know what I mean. It's but they can't all 1184 01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:02.840 be that. 1185 01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:07.159 See this right here, the old slow motion jumping firing thing. 1186 01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:11.599 Tell me that's not like every kid's dream to like 1187 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:14.239 play that in an action movie. Oh totally. I mean yeah, 1188 01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:15.800 gun in each hand, and I love it. 1189 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.719 He just like dives forward almost like a belly flop 1190 01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:19.639 onto the ground, like. 1191 01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:27.039 Yeah, you know, it's funny. 1192 01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:32.000 I The Mission Impossible movies have been on Pluto lately, 1193 01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:35.440 just like repeating. I watched a big Chunk of two 1194 01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:37.679 the other day, and it is just funny, like seeing 1195 01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:41.639 Ethan Hunt doing this stuff. Yeah, like he doesn't do 1196 01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:45.000 that in any of the other movies, but he becomes 1197 01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:48.920 this like, yeah, like hard boiled badass in that one, 1198 01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:50.960 and it's just really funny and like that Nigeens or 1199 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:51.920 the doves or whatever. 1200 01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.000 It is, the doves that are Yeah, that was my 1201 01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:56.480 issue with that movie. I was like, this isn't Mission Impossible. 1202 01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:00.400 This is Ethan Hunt, spy guy, you know, totally totally 1203 01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.639 it lost a lot of what makes those movies work, 1204 01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:07.480 but obviously a lot of that is in hindsight. Yeah. Yeah, 1205 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:09.519 but it was a hit when it came out. I 1206 01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.039 mean it was. It was the moment it was I 1207 01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:13.639 want to say, it was like the number one or 1208 01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:18.440 number two movie that year, Crazy Go to two thousand, Right, Yeah. 1209 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:24.159 Have you ever wanted to throw a grenade? You know? 1210 01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:27.119 I don't. I don't think I would want to. Actually, 1211 01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:29.199 I think there'd be a lot of pressure. Yeah. 1212 01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:31.280 I think I would need to watch like a good 1213 01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:33.679 five minute YouTube video about how they work first, Like 1214 01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:36.559 because like, wait, so how long until after I let go? 1215 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:39.239 If I hold you know, like so I pulled the pin, 1216 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:41.960 but it's it's about this little lever, right, Like, yeah, 1217 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:43.000 I need to understand it more. 1218 01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:45.760 You wouldn't rattle off every the name of everyone in 1219 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:50.079 your company before you throw it. Yes, yes, she's not 1220 01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:53.679 so bad once you get to see. I feel like 1221 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:56.679 at that moment when it comes to throwing a grenade, 1222 01:05:56.679 --> 01:06:00.760 I'd be like, eh, and that would be the one 1223 01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:02.559 time in my life where it was like the very 1224 01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:05.440 worst throw of all time, right, or like. 1225 01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:06.960 A bird would go by and it would hit it 1226 01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:13.400 and then bounce back toward me. That probably would happen, 1227 01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:19.599 and then I'd have the Jeff Daniels face from Speed. 1228 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:28.079 Yeah, tell me that is not the best about to 1229 01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:34.320 die acting in any movie ever. Yep, yep, yep. And 1230 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:35.280 I lot surprised. 1231 01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:37.039 It's like, you know what's happening, and you probably got 1232 01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:38.480 about a second and a half left. 1233 01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:42.440 Yeah, you know, he like Jeff Daniels has actually talked 1234 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:47.400 about his process just with that that shot and how 1235 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:49.960 everything that went into how he played it, and I'm like, 1236 01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:52.639 I love that he gave it that much thought. That's great. 1237 01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:56.239 By the way, Speaking of John Wu tropes, we got 1238 01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:59.000 these guys speaking to one another, but they can't see 1239 01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:01.400 each other, you know, right right. 1240 01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:07.559 Like in the face off? Have we done face Off? No? Well, 1241 01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:11.360 my next year at thirtyth anniversary, Perfect, that's the time. 1242 01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.480 You know, I'm kind of curious to go back. 1243 01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:18.880 I've not watched a lot of the older John Wu movies. 1244 01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:20.599 I'd be kind of curious to see what he was 1245 01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:23.119 doing before Hollywood. 1246 01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:27.239 Was like we need that. Like I've not seen Hard Boiled. Yeah, 1247 01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:30.320 I've seen Hard but I feel like I've seen some 1248 01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:32.360 of his other movies and I can't remember now. Yeah, 1249 01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:37.719 but like I definitely knew who John Wu was when 1250 01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:40.960 this came out. Me too. It was like a selling point. 1251 01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:45.880 Yeah exactly. So I'm like, were we just like huge nerds? Yeah? 1252 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:46.679 I think so. 1253 01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:49.719 I mean I was talking about knowing tracks from My 1254 01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:51.480 Blue Heaven in the movie good point too. 1255 01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:54.480 So I was a killer The Killer, by the way, 1256 01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:57.199 that's the movie I was thinking of The Killer. Yeah again, 1257 01:07:57.239 --> 01:07:58.840 I know the title, I know what it is, but 1258 01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:02.199 I'm also with Chi Fat. Yeah, so those two I've seen. Yeah, 1259 01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:08.559 this is great. I think it would have worked better 1260 01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:13.760 with that track from My Blue Heaven. Yes, yeah, that 1261 01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:14.800 would have made the difference. 1262 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:21.399 You maybe snort twice. I wonder what was that poll? 1263 01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:23.319 The gambling thing? 1264 01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:26.720 What's that called? Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, 1265 01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:28.960 people can do over under and how many times I'm 1266 01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:34.920 gonna snort? But here we go. 1267 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:38.439 So we got we got one bomb down there, and 1268 01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:40.239 then we got them getting away with another one, so 1269 01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:41.079 we got another chase. 1270 01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:41.479 It's good. 1271 01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:46.119 It's good management, right story wise of our mcguffins. 1272 01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:51.920 You know what John Wood did recently I totally forgot 1273 01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:56.800 about and I thought it was okay wash that movie 1274 01:08:56.840 --> 01:09:03.239 with Joel Kinneman. This is is ringing a bell Silent night. Yeah, 1275 01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:07.600 that was John wu huh. Yeah, I haven't seen it. 1276 01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:11.000 You saw it. I did see it, Okay, I mean 1277 01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:13.239 it didn't it's not gonna change your life, but I thought, 1278 01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:17.960 you know, that was good decent action. Yeah. I got 1279 01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:20.159 a sequence when the when the when the bomb goes off. 1280 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:21.399 I think it's pretty well executed. 1281 01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:24.720 Dude, you literally literally took it out of my mouth. Yep, 1282 01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:28.399 I agree, I agree, And uh, I don't know how 1283 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:30.039 they did it. I don't know what the visual effects 1284 01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:33.439 work is here, but it looks amazing. 1285 01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:40.520 We'll see this like like right here, right here, right here, gunting, 1286 01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:46.279 what are you doing? Yeah, and Travolta grabs that thing 1287 01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:48.199 and it was like flashlight or something and it just 1288 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:50.920 whacks him in the in the trachyc a couple of times. 1289 01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:59.199 Yeah that's not good. No, it's very brutal. I remember that. 1290 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:00.520 What do you call it? 1291 01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:05.479 Like a crash zoom? I think, yeah, smash zoom, smash zoom. 1292 01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:08.960 I remember that stood out to me the other night too, 1293 01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:09.520 where I was just like. 1294 01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:12.840 Wow, yeah, because he keeps doing it like I think 1295 01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:14.039 you get to do it one time. 1296 01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:17.000 Yeah, yeah, Actually I would appreciate it if they kept 1297 01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:18.560 doing it, but from like different angles. 1298 01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:22.159 See right here, when they're in those tunnels. Thought it'd 1299 01:10:22.199 --> 01:10:25.479 be funny if they're going in the opposite direction of 1300 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:30.239 the goonies. You see them going the other way. I 1301 01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:34.560 don't acknowledge each other. That would be hilarious. Is there 1302 01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:40.399 the pirate shit? Dude? Can I kill the mood and 1303 01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.399 say a joke that I wrote down? Now? 1304 01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:44.439 You have to so I think it already happened. I 1305 01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:46.399 guess I missed it this time. But when they were 1306 01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:48.520 driving and they throw the one guy out of the 1307 01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:51.479 car and then they run over him, they say, I 1308 01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:54.640 think his name is Steve. And then just in my head, 1309 01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:55.720 I was like, oh, there's got to be like a 1310 01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:58.119 funny line about this or something. And I was like, 1311 01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:01.880 he's like a speed bump, Steve bumps, Steve bump. There 1312 01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.800 you go, I think we just hit a Steve bump. Well, 1313 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:07.159 after after hearing that joke, I want to do to 1314 01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:11.079 you what just did to Bob Gunton there? 1315 01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:13.000 Hey, Like I didn't write a lot of things down 1316 01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:17.119 for this one. I gotta say everything. The Steve bump. 1317 01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:21.239 I like it, Nada it's not that great. I did 1318 01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:24.359 also note that somewhere someone. 1319 01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:30.000 Says YadA YadA, YadA, which of course Seinfeld didn't invent that, 1320 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:34.479 but they definitely made a popular and so I was 1321 01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:37.680 curious when that episode aired, and it was a year 1322 01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:41.439 after this, Okay, so it wasn't like they were getting 1323 01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:43.960 that from the popularity of Seinfeld at this point in 1324 01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:44.359 this movie. 1325 01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.319 Oh gotcha. Yeah, I mean I had heard YadA YadA, no. 1326 01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:50.600 For sure, but I feel like then after that episode, 1327 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:52.239 that was where a lot of people and then it 1328 01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:56.199 just entered the common vernacular. Yeah, or maybe that's when 1329 01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:58.640 people started saying, like, so, by the way, that YadA, 1330 01:11:59.079 --> 01:11:59.479 that thing. 1331 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:01.479 With the cigarett, that's what that's what was bugging you. 1332 01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:07.319 This is one of the least uh big sort of 1333 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:10.840 clenching it with his fingers, but like the one in 1334 01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:12.279 the locker room is the biggest one. 1335 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.279 You know. It's just funny to me. I don't know, 1336 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:20.079 see this here where he's like, I've never killed somebody 1337 01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:23.760 in person. I don't know right there, Yeah, I know, 1338 01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:28.319 And now it's bugging me too. That is odd. It's 1339 01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:34.680 a choice. It's fine. Sorry, you're san No. That thing 1340 01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:36.920 about about like, oh, I never killed somebody and it's 1341 01:12:37.039 --> 01:12:39.000 not that big. Stopped doing this smash the. 1342 01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:43.079 Deer, the deer come on, that's great. That almost feels 1343 01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:44.399 like a naked gun joke or something. 1344 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:49.800 No, but this whole this whole sequence here, and the 1345 01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:53.800 way we see the the the blast wave spread out, yeah, 1346 01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:55.600 very well executed, very good. 1347 01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:57.399 Actually, do you see he did like a really funky 1348 01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:00.359 thing there with the like the lens or something, and 1349 01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:02.079 that was really effective, Like it made it look like 1350 01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:04.119 everything's warping. 1351 01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:07.520 That's pretty cool. And this, Yeah, that that crater looks great. 1352 01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:09.680 I don't know how they did it, but it looks 1353 01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:13.720 really good. See, whenever I see scenes like this where 1354 01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:15.399 they're all like shaking and stuff, I'm always like, what 1355 01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:17.399 is it like on set when they're doing that, because 1356 01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:20.760 presumably the set is not on a gimbal. They're just 1357 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:24.039 told to like like shake around, yep, yep. They just 1358 01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:29.000 feel weird doing silly Do this ripple that's happened. I mean, 1359 01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:29.479 that's great. 1360 01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:32.399 Know how they did that makes me think of the 1361 01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:34.359 Dark Knight Rises with the football field. 1362 01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:37.560 Yeah, well it's got to be some kind of digital work. 1363 01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:39.479 I would think it looks really I mean, especially for 1364 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:42.399 ninety six looks amazing. See, well that's kind of that 1365 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:44.840 gets what we were talking about before about how how 1366 01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:51.600 god damn what a rush. He's a bad guy, Brian, Yeah, 1367 01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:54.279 he loves it. Killing is not a big deal to him. 1368 01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:57.640 That's what he said. You know, I don't know, I 1369 01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:00.600 feel like anybody who would say that not a good guy. Yeah, 1370 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:03.359 I think she's got a corpse next to that. I 1371 01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:08.279 know it's just with his head back. Yeah no, but 1372 01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:10.960 but you know, this movie came out at a time 1373 01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:14.399 where digital effects were a thing, but they were uh 1374 01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:18.319 not everything, so they had to be used judiciously. So 1375 01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:22.119 I don't know that the last wave was was done digitally, 1376 01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:24.760 but it wouldn't be surprised me it could have been 1377 01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:32.920 even a little combination of practical and Yeah. Yeah, so disturbing, 1378 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:34.520 that really is. 1379 01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:42.479 Oh there's always something very disturbing too about like a 1380 01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:46.439 bad guy talking to a corpse. Yeah, it's like the Joker, 1381 01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:50.439 the Joker. Yeah, Like it's really upsetting, and it works 1382 01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:53.159 really great for the Joker because he's you know how 1383 01:14:53.359 --> 01:14:56.600 dark he is. And then I remember in Fast ten, 1384 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:00.359 I remember Jason MOA's got that guy. 1385 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:02.760 Oh and he's like doing his nails or something. 1386 01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:04.439 Yeah, he's got him like propped up in a lawn 1387 01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:06.640 chair next to him, and I think, yes, his nails, 1388 01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:09.479 And I'm like, it's like upsetting, but there's also something 1389 01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:10.640 kind of like interesting about it. 1390 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:17.920 I mean, in fairness, Rotelli was a vicious bastard. I'm 1391 01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:28.680 glad he's dead. Hey, we're good. Butterflies Zachi so okay. 1392 01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:32.199 So so I now I don't I don't know. I 1393 01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:34.840 haven't done research, but I'm like, is this is that 1394 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:37.640 actually a thing that, oh, if there was a nuclear 1395 01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:40.159 blast then butterflies wouldn't be there? Is that the movie 1396 01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:48.239 just making something up? I don't know. I don't because 1397 01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:49.720 that's what I was wondering about. I feel like I 1398 01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:52.000 feel like a lot of people might have like made 1399 01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:56.279 their lives revolve around that truism that is true, I 1400 01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:57.479 remember sort of. 1401 01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:00.720 I think it's become kind of famous. In Back Begins, 1402 01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:02.000 I was gonna bring this up. 1403 01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:06.000 We are like completely yeah, right, in the same way, 1404 01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:08.199 Well do you want to go ahead? No? Go ahead? 1405 01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:12.279 So basically, at the beginning of Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne 1406 01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:16.680 is training with rozagh Ghoul on a frozen lake, and 1407 01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:20.000 Ghoul trying to teach Wayne about a lesson about minding 1408 01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:23.279 his surroundings. He takes his sword taps the ice beneath 1409 01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:26.560 Bruce Wayne's feet, and Wayne falls through the ice into 1410 01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:28.720 the icy water below. Then we cut to them around 1411 01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:30.920 a campfire and Wayne is trying to warm himself because 1412 01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:33.960 he's freezing, and Rasaghul gives the advice put your hands 1413 01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:35.119 underneath your armpits. 1414 01:16:35.159 --> 01:16:40.079 It'll it'll warm you faster. And someone asked, Nolan, oh 1415 01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:41.840 is that true? Where did you hear that? 1416 01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:43.359 And Nolan's like, oh no, no, no, no, I just 1417 01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:45.199 I just made that up. It just it just sounded good, 1418 01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:45.520 didn't it. 1419 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:46.319 Yeah, you know? 1420 01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:48.520 And so yeah, I just imagine what if there was 1421 01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:51.119 someone in the Arctic who was actually freezing and trying 1422 01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:53.560 to figure out how to warm themselves and save their lives, 1423 01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:55.159 and they were like, wait a minute, I remember this 1424 01:16:55.239 --> 01:16:57.000 moment from Batman begins, I just need to put my 1425 01:16:57.079 --> 01:16:58.960 hands under my armpits and it'll save my life. 1426 01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:01.520 He says, like, mind your chest, your arms will take 1427 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:07.760 care of themselves. Yes, something like that. Yeah, yeah, the butterflies. 1428 01:17:07.800 --> 01:17:11.880 I don't know that. I'm wondering. I feel like somebody 1429 01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:15.159 may have situated their life around that, and it's just yeah, 1430 01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:16.880 and I don't know, but it might just be a 1431 01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:20.680 damn dirty lie. I'm looking. 1432 01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:37.840 Uh, they're sensitive to radiation, what isn't uh Now, I'm 1433 01:17:37.880 --> 01:17:39.279 not seeing anything very specific here. 1434 01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:46.600 Yeah, I look at that. Yeah, you liar, yost. So 1435 01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:51.039 Samantha mathis worth mentioning. She is the daughter of Babie 1436 01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:56.640 Bish who is uh Captain Kirk's love interest in Wrath 1437 01:17:56.680 --> 01:18:03.239 of Khan Carol Marcus. Interesting, and she's also in Tremors. 1438 01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:05.479 You know, the older couple that dies in the car. 1439 01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:11.439 Oh yeah, interesting, I did Okay, Yeah, I believe she 1440 01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:16.840 passed away before this movie came out. Okay, she died 1441 01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:22.680 of cancer. I think. Yeah, that moment, by the way, 1442 01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:23.359 I really like that. 1443 01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:26.680 That weird thing where Travolta feels like he's kind of 1444 01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:30.279 sensing something and he looks up in the to the 1445 01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.560 shrubs or whatever. I almost feel like they could have 1446 01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:34.840 made even more of a meal out of that. 1447 01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:47.079 That's interesting. Yeah, I like it. See, I feel like 1448 01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:51.760 there's one too many action scenes. 1449 01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:56.159 Mmm, like maybe we should be like getting into the 1450 01:18:56.600 --> 01:18:59.600 end here, we should be on the train by now. Yeah, 1451 01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:05.560 I'm with you on that, you know, yeah, yeah, yep, 1452 01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:09.319 because this movie is just under two hours ish, right, 1453 01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:11.399 I think it's an hour forty eight, and I think 1454 01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:13.119 if it was an hour thirty eight it would be 1455 01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:17.920 tighter complete. Yeah yeah, I just you were saying languid earlier. 1456 01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:19.640 I really do. Yeah, I think it would give the 1457 01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:22.479 movie more snap. That actor, by the way, on the right, 1458 01:19:22.600 --> 01:19:28.279 the computer nerd, that's Sean Tube from Iron Man. He 1459 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:33.279 is oh doctor Dansid. Wow, I see it now. Yeah, huh, 1460 01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:37.840 that's what I'm saying. Man, this movie is chocolate block 1461 01:19:37.880 --> 01:19:44.399 full of Hey that guys, Yeah, it really is. Gotta say, 1462 01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:47.000 those aviator glasses look pretty sharp. 1463 01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:53.479 Yeah, it's kind of funny too, like the eras of sunglasses, 1464 01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:55.520 Like you think the aviators from the top gun thing 1465 01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:58.119 and then well I think of Mission Impossible and Tom 1466 01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:01.600 Cruise and will sort of like wrap around forty Oakley 1467 01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:06.159 kind of things. That's the second one, the second one, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1468 01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:11.399 I guess it's whatever deal they make with whatever some 1469 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:12.279 less company. 1470 01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:16.880 But you know, I feel like aviators are timeless. Oh totally, yeah, 1471 01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:19.800 like ray bands and things like that. Yeah, this is 1472 01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:20.239 kind of cool. 1473 01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:22.760 By the way, I love this the camera traveling over 1474 01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:23.159 the desk. 1475 01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:26.439 Yeah, it's a nice way of adding visual interest to 1476 01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:30.760 kind of a boilerplate scene. Yeah. Well, by the way, 1477 01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:32.079 I wanted to call out. 1478 01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:36.079 I just love that he like had this edited together. 1479 01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:39.640 Like I don't know if everybody had Adobe Premiere back then, 1480 01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:43.239 but it's like for his like ransom video that he 1481 01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:45.239 sends to Washington, he cut it. 1482 01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:46.399 Linear deck to deck. 1483 01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:50.920 Yeah, exactly exactly. And if you don't pay, then you're 1484 01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:52.800 gonna have this. And you just see all these like 1485 01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:54.920 clips from a bunch of movies. 1486 01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:00.600 I was a train entering a tunnel, rock ship tailor. 1487 01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:04.760 It's like the metaphor is all wrong. He's like, sorry, 1488 01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:07.000 that was for that was something else. Yeah, that was different. 1489 01:21:11.079 --> 01:21:13.439 And then it comes back from that. He's like, so anyway, 1490 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:17.560 miss you, Jenny, see you at the cabin. 1491 01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:21.239 He was getting He's knocking. 1492 01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:23.119 Out a lot of video messages that day, all at once. 1493 01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:25.439 He had one he had an afternoon to kill, so 1494 01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:29.119 he got them all out at once. Yeah. Yeah, sorry, 1495 01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:30.399 you were saying I think I interrupted you. 1496 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:32.039 No, no, no, well you were saying, you know that 1497 01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:36.239 you really liked the guitar, the twingy guitar theme you 1498 01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:40.680 know here, and I saw that Zimmer recruited Dwayne Eddie. 1499 01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:43.640 Specifically to do that. And he's the guy who did 1500 01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:44.520 the Peter. 1501 01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:47.199 Gunn you know, Dundun Dun Dun dun dune, very similar, 1502 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:53.159 very similar sounding rebel rouser. He does that deep twingy 1503 01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:56.199 guitar thing and got him specifically to do that. 1504 01:21:56.319 --> 01:21:58.840 So he does. That's Dwayne Eddie in this and in 1505 01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:05.800 Scream too, so fascinating. Yeah, you know, and oh yeah, 1506 01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:07.760 go ahead, oh just real quick. And in that vein, 1507 01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:10.199 I think it tells you something that that Deakins gets 1508 01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:14.039 his own theme and Haile doesn't get doesn't get anything. Yeah, yeah, 1509 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:16.800 you know. 1510 01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:21.199 I do like Christian Slater in this because I like 1511 01:22:21.319 --> 01:22:23.359 Christian Slater, But I do wonder if there was someone 1512 01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:27.239 who had a little bit more of a a trait 1513 01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:31.159 or something might have made that character pop a little 1514 01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:31.520 bit more. 1515 01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:34.880 Well. I was thinking about that, you know, like, who 1516 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:41.760 was who was somebody during this era who would have 1517 01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:44.239 played this role, Who could who could have you know, 1518 01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:49.439 held the screen opposite Travolta versus just getting sort of 1519 01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:52.479 blown off of it. Yeah, I don't know. 1520 01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:55.600 I mean, Cage is not right, you just think, like 1521 01:22:55.920 --> 01:22:59.359 if you plug Nicholas Cage into this, you just don't 1522 01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:01.239 think immediate get something. 1523 01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:05.439 Sure, you know what I mean. But remember Nicholas Cage's 1524 01:23:05.439 --> 01:23:06.600 first action move is the Rock. 1525 01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:08.479 So no, no, no, I'm just but I just as 1526 01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:10.720 an example where it's like the Rock. If you have 1527 01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:14.359 Christian Slater in that role, it's a little different versus 1528 01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:16.600 having Nicholas Cage when he's in that prison cell and 1529 01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:17.520 like you know. 1530 01:23:18.039 --> 01:23:21.239 The name's Butthole, you know, like it just makes it 1531 01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:25.680 really interesting and there's a lot more color. Yeah, and 1532 01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:28.119 so yeah, I don't know who else I would put here. 1533 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:37.159 Frank Whaley, John Cusack Zacky. Yeah, maybe that's it. Yeah, 1534 01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:42.960 maybe that's yeah. Yeah. See now I'm pretty sure that 1535 01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:45.880 right there is like the last we see of Frank Whaley. Yeah, 1536 01:23:46.039 --> 01:23:48.640 he should tie in a little bit this scene. You know, 1537 01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:55.640 it's basically he disappears after this, yeah, or maybe I 1538 01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:55.920 don't know. 1539 01:23:56.119 --> 01:24:00.880 Well, I saw that this was originally two hours plus, okay, 1540 01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:05.800 and uh more character stuff and more violence parents okay, 1541 01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:07.760 and WU. 1542 01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:10.640 Had to trim it, So I mean, I'll take the 1543 01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:12.119 character stuff over the violence. 1544 01:24:12.279 --> 01:24:14.399 Actually me too, Well, I think I read that about 1545 01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:17.840 it's hard target, right you said the vandam Huh. Yeah, 1546 01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:20.039 Like there's a lot of MPa A problems that WU 1547 01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:24.960 tends to run into with the graphic violence. But no, 1548 01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:27.479 I agree, I wouldn't mind a little bit more character stuff. 1549 01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:33.520 Yeah, the rope of dope. It's pretty good there, Christ 1550 01:24:34.119 --> 01:24:42.840 ali Foreman heard of it. I mean at at the 1551 01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:45.000 when he first blew up, you know, there was a 1552 01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:49.920 lot of like young Jack Nicholson comparisons, you know, and 1553 01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:53.800 it's it's yeah, it bums me out a little bit 1554 01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:57.399 that he I don't know that he ever really reached 1555 01:24:57.439 --> 01:25:02.039 his potential in terms of that, you know, yeah, because 1556 01:25:02.079 --> 01:25:05.399 he is, he's a likable uh actor. 1557 01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:10.439 I like, I like seeing him, but uh, I don't know. Yeah, 1558 01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:13.079 I mean I still think he's He's aging well, and 1559 01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:15.880 I think he could still even as he gets older, 1560 01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:18.960 you know. Yeah, Uh there's there could be like some 1561 01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:22.600 big plum you know, best supporting actor role waiting for him, 1562 01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:23.520 like ten years from now. 1563 01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:26.600 Well, as it happens, I have this script ready to 1564 01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:31.159 go called Empty Quiver, which I think he'd be perfect for. 1565 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:33.880 Right as sperm number four. 1566 01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:41.159 Oh, it's like he's got to get out before yeah, 1567 01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:43.840 every everythingyone else is removed. 1568 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:50.760 I guess we got to get out of here. You 1569 01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:53.920 just see him in like a like a big you know, 1570 01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:59.960 like a plush costume. You know, right, it's a big take. 1571 01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:06.119 So it's actually people on two feet running in like 1572 01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:10.439 fluffy foam foam sperm costumes. 1573 01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:13.279 Yeah, like Disney characters. Okay, but it'll but it'll be 1574 01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:15.199 like an Osmosis Jones type thing. 1575 01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:22.279 Totally totally empty quiver. No, it's an empty quivers scenario. 1576 01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:29.600 What what does that mean? English professor man Tony Stark 1577 01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:31.479 would be so disappointed in this guy right now. 1578 01:26:31.640 --> 01:26:34.119 Yeah, telling you, I love that that he has to 1579 01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:35.720 even like say that. I bet you thought I was 1580 01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:36.720 a computer nerd. 1581 01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:46.520 I think I'm a nerd. Then boom hammer to the head. 1582 01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:50.239 That'll do it. That'll do it. Yeah. The whole the 1583 01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:53.720 whole third act of this movie was just repeatedly me saying, up, 1584 01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:57.560 that'll do it. I was watching this with my second kid. 1585 01:26:58.079 --> 01:27:03.119 You know what, though, again was great, but like that moment, 1586 01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:05.199 think of the moment I keep going to the rock 1587 01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:07.239 and I don't mean to, but the whole the guy 1588 01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:10.159 with the knife, you know, you're the rocket man, like 1589 01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:12.319 I don't listen to that, like, and then the way 1590 01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:14.560 that the camera's kind of spinning around with them, and 1591 01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:17.359 just how there's a real tension to that stand the 1592 01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:18.279 duel or whatever. 1593 01:27:19.159 --> 01:27:21.119 That was just like what do you think I'm a nerd? 1594 01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:23.439 Like anything? And throws a hammer in his head and 1595 01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:25.960 he falls over. You know, she should have said something. 1596 01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:28.960 I don't know. I don't know. 1597 01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:32.319 She should have like, you know, put a button on it. Yeah, 1598 01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:33.880 she could have been like, no, I didn't think you're 1599 01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:37.720 a nerd. You kind of handsome, a total knockout, like yeah. 1600 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:40.199 See there you go. That's good. Yeah, see, you gotta 1601 01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:42.199 be you gotta punch up, you gotta be like the 1602 01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:44.159 Bruceville Lanche of action movie. 1603 01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:47.640 Bruce I mean, Joss Whedon now is a little no 1604 01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:50.640 no no. In this era, he would be the guy 1605 01:27:50.840 --> 01:27:55.560 I love Bruceville. Hey, you and I stood next to 1606 01:27:55.640 --> 01:27:58.399 him that one night at the Oh that's right, I remember, 1607 01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:02.239 I was like kind of like holy crabs, Flanche. And 1608 01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:05.479 we also stand next to the girl played Megan. Remember that, 1609 01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:07.840 Oh my gosh, Like in that same moment, like we 1610 01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:10.079 were next to the girl played Meghan and Brucell Lanch. 1611 01:28:10.439 --> 01:28:13.800 Yeah, Megan Bruce Lanche and you and me. Yeah, sounds 1612 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:17.159 like the cast of a great CW reality show and 1613 01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:18.520 you and me that's yeah. 1614 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:23.880 Okay, so we're back on the train. We're back on 1615 01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:26.119 the train, back talking about Broken Arrow. 1616 01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:26.720 Yep, yep. 1617 01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:32.399 When does he do the He's like kind of see, 1618 01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:34.880 I mean, this is like weird and creepy and whatever. 1619 01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:37.079 He's like with the gun and it's all kind of 1620 01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:39.720 creepy sensual or whatever. 1621 01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:42.439 I'm just saying. That's yeah, like add some sort of 1622 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:43.000 flavor to. 1623 01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:45.319 Her standoff with the guy, you know, when she gets 1624 01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:46.840 her big moment she gets to take a guy out. 1625 01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:57.840 Yeah, I I well, I think that that guy needed 1626 01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:00.600 to be more of a more of a threat. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1627 01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:02.199 I think you need to stretch that moment out a 1628 01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:03.039 little longer, you know. 1629 01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:05.319 But I think it goes to what you said way 1630 01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:08.039 earlier about the languid thing, Like, I don't think it 1631 01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:11.399 would if these same moments had a little bit more 1632 01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:13.520 character to them or something. 1633 01:29:13.880 --> 01:29:19.319 Yeah, hey it's it's Tucco dude. Yes, I just noticed that. 1634 01:29:19.479 --> 01:29:21.520 I had to look him up because I was like, wait, 1635 01:29:21.680 --> 01:29:22.800 that guy looks so familiar. 1636 01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:30.760 Yep. From Breaking Bad By there Yeah, I do love though. 1637 01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:34.119 You know, sometimes you see a movie and it's always 1638 01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:37.159 so frustrating where someone is like threatened and that guy 1639 01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:38.920 wants him to do something and then the bad guy 1640 01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:39.720 kills them anyway. 1641 01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:40.439 Right. 1642 01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:42.840 I love that she is just like, no, like, I'm 1643 01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:44.520 not gonna do it because you just kill me anyway. 1644 01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:46.880 So I'm I'm not gonna be the one that hit enter. 1645 01:29:47.640 --> 01:29:50.760 Yeah. I thought that was like a cool heroic moment 1646 01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:56.239 for her. You know, I kind of wish Samantha Manthis 1647 01:29:56.279 --> 01:30:01.199 had more of a career. Yeah, I like, she's another 1648 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:03.079 she never stopped working, and I know she had some 1649 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:06.880 kind of a uh, you know, high level role in 1650 01:30:07.079 --> 01:30:11.880 sag or something. But you know, I feel like she 1651 01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:14.800 she kind of she she was somewhat of a rising 1652 01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:17.880 star in the early to mid nineties, and then I 1653 01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:21.239 see fifteen episodes of Billions, so that would be that's 1654 01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:23.920 pretty big on That's right, And I forgot about that. Yeah. 1655 01:30:26.439 --> 01:30:30.760 Yeah, Oh and she was in a fern Gully with 1656 01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:33.720 Christian Slater No, how funny? 1657 01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:35.920 Yeah? Was he the guy? Was he the main guy? 1658 01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:45.159 Maybe she'sn't lost. Yeah, Now now look at this, the 1659 01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:47.960 fact that you got this helicopter and they're like hiding 1660 01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:52.720 behind the slats, dude, of this train. Yes, wooden slats 1661 01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:56.560 of it. Now I'm no military expert, but I don't 1662 01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:59.479 think those would be bulletproof, I know, not the best 1663 01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:04.560 hiding spar You know what I would love right here 1664 01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:07.079 is if Howie Long was like, screw this, I got 1665 01:31:07.119 --> 01:31:09.520 a football career to think about, and he jumped off 1666 01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:15.319 the train and you're like, wait, he's Howie Long. That 1667 01:31:15.399 --> 01:31:21.720 would be funny and inter bold his characters like athletes. 1668 01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:26.159 Then then just start shooting his gun again. Why not? 1669 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:31.560 This is a pretty cool move. I mean, look at that. 1670 01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:33.399 That's like a real stunt, Like I jumped out of 1671 01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:36.399 a helicopter on it, and I actually actually doing something 1672 01:31:36.479 --> 01:31:41.520 that's pretty cool. That's where I love going back to 1673 01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:45.159 this stuff. You don't get this anymore. See. I feel 1674 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:49.359 like if this train was moving a little faster, it 1675 01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:51.439 would this whole sequence would feel more intense. 1676 01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:55.439 You know what the problem is, there's nothing to convey 1677 01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:58.800 speed in the background. It's all flat landscape, like we 1678 01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:02.399 need like trees or or something whipping past. But I mean, 1679 01:32:02.479 --> 01:32:05.199 just you can see like how fast the train is going. 1680 01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:07.159 It does for sure, I mean it does look very 1681 01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:10.199 that looks yeah, like ten miles an hour or something. 1682 01:32:10.279 --> 01:32:11.920 It's going like yeah, that's what I'm saying, like like 1683 01:32:12.039 --> 01:32:14.439 twenty maybe that's what I'm saying, like fake it, like 1684 01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:20.159 have things whipping past so it at least feels faster, Right, 1685 01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:24.039 That's that's I think. There's a weird, a weird lack 1686 01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:26.880 of propulsion in a scene that really calls for it. 1687 01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:29.520 You know, you're so right, Yeah, there's really. 1688 01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:33.000 Like you think of speed, you know, and when he's 1689 01:32:33.079 --> 01:32:35.600 under the bus and you really get a sense of 1690 01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:37.399 that thing's going fast and we don't want him going 1691 01:32:37.479 --> 01:32:39.199 under the wheels. But yeah, you don't get that here. 1692 01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:43.600 Well, you know, I'm thinking of just a few months ago, 1693 01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:46.439 you and I watched The Zoro the Legend of Zorro, 1694 01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:50.520 and the climax of that movie is set on a train. Yeah, 1695 01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:53.840 and you get the sense that that's that train is moving. Yep. 1696 01:32:54.359 --> 01:33:02.359 You know, Oh man, that movie's so good. Which one 1697 01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:07.439 Mask of Zorro or Legend of Zorros so funny? 1698 01:33:07.479 --> 01:33:10.359 I screw them up because the titles are so like interchangeable, 1699 01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:13.039 yeah whatever, I mean, They're both have their charms, but 1700 01:33:13.159 --> 01:33:15.319 like the first one, especially first one one is like, 1701 01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:19.800 is past Martin campbell Man excellent action director. I'm telling you, 1702 01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:23.600 so there's something sexual with the gun, right, I'm not 1703 01:33:23.640 --> 01:33:24.640 the only one reading that. 1704 01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:26.720 Wait what happened again? Just here, I like fires the 1705 01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:29.359 gun between her legs and she's like and he's like, yeah, 1706 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:33.399 that was my first time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's 1707 01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:35.800 not just me. I'm not being a weird, skeevy pervert, 1708 01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:36.479 not at all. 1709 01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:38.920 Actually, when I was reading about the movie today and 1710 01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:42.439 they were talking about the parallels of him intravolted killing 1711 01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:45.000 for the first time, and he's like, for the first time. Actually, 1712 01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:47.800 I didn't even think about that last night when I 1713 01:33:47.840 --> 01:33:50.800 watched it. I was thinking, like, yeah, pulling a gun 1714 01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:53.199 off of like a sexy woman and shooting between her legs. 1715 01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:55.199 He was like, my first time. I took it more 1716 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:58.439 like sexual. Okay, good, So then we're both skeezy purposes. 1717 01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:04.359 See so that's right here where Delroy Lindo gets killed there, 1718 01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:06.560 Like that should have been a bigger thing. The moments 1719 01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:10.920 that really seems like the theme of this doesn't it weird? Right? 1720 01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:15.920 Like a lot of good ideas and some interesting shots occasionally, 1721 01:34:16.840 --> 01:34:19.159 but this entire movie could use a little plussing. 1722 01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:22.600 Yeah, because when he I had to rewind it. I 1723 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:25.520 was like, wait, did he just die? Right? Did they 1724 01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:29.279 kill freshly minted Academy Award nominee Delroy Lindo? 1725 01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:32.359 Yeah, you said in nineteen ninety six, and everyone was 1726 01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:32.600 like what. 1727 01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:48.840 Nothing? Ouch? Oh, this is good. I like this. 1728 01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:52.159 Yeah, under the train wheels, that's good. I don't feel 1729 01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:53.000 like I've seen that before. 1730 01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:57.039 Yeah, and for at least one of these shots, I mean, 1731 01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:00.399 that's actually Christian Bale at Christopher Slady. Yeah. Uh not 1732 01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:05.079 Christian Bale, Christian Slater. Uh, dangling under the train. Damn. 1733 01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:06.960 That's like freaking dangerous. 1734 01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:07.680 I know. 1735 01:35:09.760 --> 01:35:11.880 That'd be a hard pass from me. Yeah. 1736 01:35:12.279 --> 01:35:14.039 I mean even if you're the stunt guy, it's like 1737 01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:17.520 I just if one thing goes wrong, yeah, you're going 1738 01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:18.479 under that wheel. 1739 01:35:19.560 --> 01:35:22.880 Unless you're an insane crazy person like Tom Cruise. That's true, 1740 01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:28.800 that's true. Yeah, he'd be like, put me closer to 1741 01:35:28.840 --> 01:35:33.520 the wheel, right Yeah. 1742 01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:35.600 Man, it's I can't get it out of my head now, Zachi, 1743 01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:36.720 You're right about the speed. 1744 01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:40.479 The lack of speed. Yeah, it's like super distracting. It 1745 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:42.119 was bugging the crap out of me when I was 1746 01:35:42.119 --> 01:35:42.840 watching yesterday. 1747 01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:49.279 Yeah, hmm, you know, it's funny. I wasn't thinking about 1748 01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:52.520 it specifically, but I was not fully engaged as I 1749 01:35:52.640 --> 01:35:53.399 was watching. 1750 01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:59.560 And so it's interesting, you know. Yeah, I think like that, 1751 01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:06.239 that's pretty good guy flying off with that explosion. That's amazing. Anyway. Yeah, sorry, Uh, music, 1752 01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:08.640 there's like a lack of music during this whole sequence. 1753 01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:13.680 M Oh actually I don't remember that. Yeah, I mean 1754 01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:17.279 like lack of propulsive you know, like yeah, like I'm 1755 01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:20.439 thinking of the Elfman music at the end of Mission Impossible, 1756 01:36:20.479 --> 01:36:22.680 the first one, oh Man, Yeah, right, and he's like, 1757 01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:25.439 you know, it really kind of gets you, gets you 1758 01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:26.880 wound up. Well, I can't stop. 1759 01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:28.640 It's so funny because I'm like, but I think of 1760 01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:33.239 Wu as this like really kinetic action director. 1761 01:36:33.319 --> 01:36:35.840 But something about this one is just not well. I 1762 01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:38.800 think that he he still had to sort of play 1763 01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:42.520 in the studio box, the mainstream box, right. I think 1764 01:36:42.680 --> 01:36:45.720 that the success of this movie bought him Face Off, 1765 01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:48.680 which is much truer to his ethos, you know. 1766 01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:51.119 But it's funny because he hasn't what I exactly what 1767 01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:53.800 I'm talking about is I'm thinking of the kineticism of 1768 01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:56.239 Face Off and that's maybe him. 1769 01:36:56.479 --> 01:37:02.720 Unleashed, right, you know, yeah, good point. I mean, shoot, 1770 01:37:03.279 --> 01:37:06.439 I remember Face Off, just the trailer. I loved watching 1771 01:37:06.479 --> 01:37:12.359 that trailer again and again, you know, back when it 1772 01:37:12.479 --> 01:37:13.880 was like hard to watch trailers. 1773 01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:19.600 Yeah, yeah, but no, I'm thinking, I can't help but 1774 01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:22.239 think of speed and just I don't know, like there's 1775 01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:24.279 a little bounce in the camera, just because you know, 1776 01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:26.439 like everything's like slightly out of control, and. 1777 01:37:28.079 --> 01:37:31.439 Yeah, there's just a real sizzle to it all. Yeah, 1778 01:37:32.199 --> 01:37:39.600 this is not happening here. Yeah, I mean my understanding 1779 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:42.479 is is that, you know, the final movie was not 1780 01:37:42.760 --> 01:37:47.359 something that John MoU was entirely happy with. Interesting just 1781 01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:50.439 in terms of the usual you know back and forth 1782 01:37:50.520 --> 01:37:57.600 that happens with studios. But again, you know, at during 1783 01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:00.239 that era, you know you could have a mid hear 1784 01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:05.159 action movie performed pretty well. Mm hmm. Yeah, there was 1785 01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:07.439 room in the marketplace for that. Like I remember this 1786 01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:10.720 movie coming out and like talking about it with kids 1787 01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:15.680 at my you know, the cafeteria table, you know. Really yeah, yeah, Oh, 1788 01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:17.760 I'm going to see Broken Arrow this weekend. You know, 1789 01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:23.239 like I assume I saw this set of Sleepover at 1790 01:38:23.319 --> 01:38:25.039 some point. I don't remember seeing it in the theater. 1791 01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:26.840 I didn't I sleep. 1792 01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:29.159 Over now, it would be too late, I don't know, 1793 01:38:29.239 --> 01:38:31.159 watching with friends in a basement or something. 1794 01:38:31.239 --> 01:38:34.560 That's yeah my memory. Yeah, it was definitely a rental 1795 01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:34.800 for me. 1796 01:38:35.039 --> 01:38:39.119 Yeah, but I was really into this stuff at that time, 1797 01:38:39.239 --> 01:38:42.159 Like I was enjoying all these like Michael Bay movies, and. 1798 01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:48.039 Well at the time, we'd only had the one Michael 1799 01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:51.000 Bay movie, like Bad Boys. Yeah, Bad Boys was the 1800 01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:55.279 year before this. Yeah, I guess I nineties action speed. 1801 01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:59.159 Look at this. Oh, he has the best death scream. 1802 01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:06.479 He's like like, oh, like the whole way down. I 1803 01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:11.760 don't remember that. I'm gonna say he's dead, Brian, I 1804 01:39:11.880 --> 01:39:13.279 think how we long might be dead in this. 1805 01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:15.039 They should have had a shark come up for good 1806 01:39:15.079 --> 01:39:20.720 measure out of the water together. That was a pretty 1807 01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:23.000 amazing stunt though. That guy jumping on it was crazy. 1808 01:39:23.079 --> 01:39:25.319 That was a real guy falling. I mean that's nuts. Yeah, 1809 01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:29.039 that's nuts. I do love the the We'll see in 1810 01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:33.840 a second, the Travolta puppet that gets hit with the rocket. 1811 01:39:34.239 --> 01:39:38.479 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's amazingly awful. Yeah. 1812 01:39:41.319 --> 01:39:43.199 It's always kind of disturbing though when you see that 1813 01:39:43.359 --> 01:39:45.039 kind of I'm trying to think of something else that 1814 01:39:45.079 --> 01:39:48.399 I'm thinking of, But like I mean, like True Lies 1815 01:39:48.479 --> 01:39:50.199 is sort of like it where the guy is attached 1816 01:39:50.239 --> 01:39:52.520 to the rocket and you just need his body attached 1817 01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:54.199 to this thing that's about to blow up, or it 1818 01:39:54.279 --> 01:39:57.000 reminds me I'm having a hard time explaining exactly what 1819 01:39:57.119 --> 01:39:59.159 this is. But like you see the guy like the 1820 01:39:59.239 --> 01:40:02.279 rocket in True Lies, and we see his face and 1821 01:40:02.359 --> 01:40:05.359 he's dangling and he's zooming toward camera. And I'm also 1822 01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:08.399 thinking of Last Crusade with the Nazi guy in the 1823 01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:10.640 tank and the tank goes over the edge of his 1824 01:40:10.840 --> 01:40:12.119 face flying toward camera. 1825 01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:17.199 Now, you know, a perfect example is Timothy Dalton in Rocketeer. Yes, 1826 01:40:17.399 --> 01:40:18.479 that too, exactly. 1827 01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:20.600 Yeah, and then in this one, sort of like the 1828 01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:22.760 rocket hitting him, but we're kind of close on him 1829 01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:25.880 and seeing this violence happening, like up close to him, 1830 01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:30.600 Like there's something like really cool and strangely satisfying seeing 1831 01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:33.720 that happen to a villain. But it's also like upsetting, right, 1832 01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:36.199 like successfully upsetting you. 1833 01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:36.680 Know what I mean. 1834 01:40:37.720 --> 01:40:39.680 I'm so glad you understand exactly what I'm saying. That 1835 01:40:39.960 --> 01:40:42.479 was the perfect example the Timothy Dalton. 1836 01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:48.199 Successfully upsetting. That sounds like a like a rom com 1837 01:40:48.600 --> 01:40:53.239 in the late nineties starring Christian Bale. Weirdly enough, Christian Slater, 1838 01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:59.920 damn it right, successfully upsetting, It doesn't It sounds like 1839 01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:04.199 something I just realized as this fight sequence is happening. 1840 01:41:04.359 --> 01:41:07.119 I was about to be like, what could that be about, Zachie. 1841 01:41:07.119 --> 01:41:09.439 It just sort of like just talk about this is 1842 01:41:09.439 --> 01:41:10.520 they're beating the shit out of you. 1843 01:41:13.319 --> 01:41:16.359 Oh, I like this this business here where she detaches 1844 01:41:16.560 --> 01:41:20.199 the train cars and then they collide back into one another. 1845 01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:25.000 I was like, that's a good idea, man. There's a 1846 01:41:25.079 --> 01:41:26.560 lot of smash zooms in this. 1847 01:41:27.079 --> 01:41:30.319 Yeah, and the twenty dollars bill thing is kind of fun. 1848 01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:32.159 That keeps going back and forth between them. 1849 01:41:34.039 --> 01:41:38.800 Yeah, which, like you know, it's there's like a whimsy 1850 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:42.600 to that, but at some point it's like, Okay, you 1851 01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:45.319 guys are trying, like and nobody in real life would 1852 01:41:45.319 --> 01:41:47.800 be doing that. I think, well, I would sort of 1853 01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:50.039 love if you Travelt. 1854 01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:52.159 It gets you know, blasted off by the rocket and 1855 01:41:52.239 --> 01:41:56.039 then Slater's like, hey, he spopped me at twenty, and 1856 01:41:56.159 --> 01:41:58.000 Mathis has to like dig in. He pulls him at 1857 01:41:58.000 --> 01:41:59.760 twenty and then he like throws it into the wind. 1858 01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:02.119 And she's like what the hell and he hands it 1859 01:42:02.159 --> 01:42:11.479 to him and then he hands it back. Yeah. There 1860 01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:15.239 there the there's the bit in the so I like again, 1861 01:42:15.319 --> 01:42:16.960 I like just going back to what we were saying earlier. 1862 01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:20.680 I like this final fight between them as as a 1863 01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:22.439 parallel with the one in the beginning. But again, I 1864 01:42:22.479 --> 01:42:24.600 think if the one in the beginning was more good natured, 1865 01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:27.720 it would make this feel more intense mm hmmm mm, 1866 01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.840 because we don't like seeing them like this. We previously 1867 01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:36.279 saw them as buddy yeah, like like a real betrayal. Yeah, yeah, 1868 01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:41.800 I agree, good note. But there there's that moment where 1869 01:42:43.199 --> 01:42:47.279 like Slater has he picks up like the crowbar or something, yeah, 1870 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:48.840 to hit him with it, and then he drops it, 1871 01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:51.600 and I, as I watched it, I was like, oh, 1872 01:42:51.640 --> 01:42:53.600 good because he's like a good guy. But then I 1873 01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:57.560 was like, wait a minute, freaking kill him? What are 1874 01:42:57.560 --> 01:43:02.560 you doing? I know, I know, bad decision. Like I 1875 01:43:02.680 --> 01:43:04.560 was thinking, I was like, I get it because he's 1876 01:43:04.600 --> 01:43:09.079 a good like that's a right there, and he's like no, yeah, no, 1877 01:43:09.279 --> 01:43:10.920 I don't know. Man. If I'm in that position, I 1878 01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:12.119 use that crowbar. 1879 01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:17.319 I know, I mean I get the boxing parallel happening here. 1880 01:43:17.479 --> 01:43:20.920 But yeah, we be in this movie five minutes earlier. 1881 01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:25.880 So here we go. Now we're getting some good shots 1882 01:43:26.039 --> 01:43:30.159 with the train. Yeah, there we go. See this. I 1883 01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:34.640 like this. This is good. Yeah, definitely like giving her 1884 01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:35.079 something to do. 1885 01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:39.640 Yeah, yeah, and then the other half of the train 1886 01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:47.000 about the smash into the Yeah, it's like a perfect 1887 01:43:47.039 --> 01:43:48.159 thing to jump away from. 1888 01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:55.079 Exactly. Yeah, I'm like QUI because I want to watch it. 1889 01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:59.640 That's cool, that's cool that leap is this? Yeah, this 1890 01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:02.000 is great. Maybe think of the fugitive. Oh, here we go, 1891 01:44:02.079 --> 01:44:05.800 here's your where's the dummy? We get his his like 1892 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:09.680 smiling face. I like it. And then this, oh he 1893 01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:13.880 just like folds an half. This is the most obvious 1894 01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:17.680 movie dummy I have ever seen. That is funny. I 1895 01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:27.199 like it, though it's disturbing. Well, that'll do it. This 1896 01:44:27.359 --> 01:44:27.720 is great. 1897 01:44:28.159 --> 01:44:31.039 I would say about like all these barrels flying everywhere, 1898 01:44:31.119 --> 01:44:32.640 Like it just looks really dangerous to have an actor 1899 01:44:32.720 --> 01:44:33.239 right next to that. 1900 01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:37.319 I mean he's probably not like right next to right 1901 01:44:37.359 --> 01:44:38.000 next to you right. 1902 01:44:38.039 --> 01:44:41.159 Like No, I'm just admiring it, Like, I just love it. 1903 01:44:41.399 --> 01:44:45.840 It looks great. The production value. I guess and that's 1904 01:44:45.880 --> 01:44:46.119 the thing. 1905 01:44:46.199 --> 01:44:49.359 I mean, fifty million, right, yeah, I mean it's not 1906 01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:52.479 like they were spending a ton of money, you know, 1907 01:44:52.640 --> 01:44:55.439 it's like that's pretty reasonable, we know. It makes me 1908 01:44:55.520 --> 01:44:58.880 think of the movie Super eight. There's this big. 1909 01:45:00.399 --> 01:45:04.479 Train crash, but none of it feels like it's like 1910 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:08.479 really happening because it's a lot of visual effects. I mean, 1911 01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:11.039 it's it's a really credit where credits do. It's a 1912 01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:13.640 really exciting sequence because it's mostly about kids trying to 1913 01:45:13.720 --> 01:45:16.439 dodge things, but it's like the train cards. 1914 01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:18.119 Are moving in ways that don't really make sense. 1915 01:45:18.920 --> 01:45:21.159 But then you think of like The Fugitive where you're like, damn, 1916 01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:27.000 you know, watching like a real train like blow up 1917 01:45:27.079 --> 01:45:29.399 and crash like that, and it feels very dangerous, and 1918 01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:33.199 you know this like this feels like wow, like watching 1919 01:45:33.279 --> 01:45:37.039 a real train just smashing into itself and all that 1920 01:45:37.079 --> 01:45:38.000 stuff flying everywhere. 1921 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:39.000 I don't know, there's just something about it. 1922 01:45:39.039 --> 01:45:45.079 It just feels more dangerous and exciting to me. Yeah, wait, okay, 1923 01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:49.800 are we going to get the romantic handshake? See back 1924 01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:51.600 in the day, they would have just started doing it 1925 01:45:51.720 --> 01:45:54.359 right there, back at what day. And then you said, 1926 01:45:54.399 --> 01:45:56.840 like like like in the now like before, like in 1927 01:45:56.920 --> 01:46:01.199 the eighties, if this is an eighties and eighties right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1928 01:46:01.640 --> 01:46:05.159 just like inappropriate nudity, just the works. 1929 01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:06.079 Yeah. 1930 01:46:06.079 --> 01:46:08.479 It would be like like cop cars would show up 1931 01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:10.760 to like clean up the scene, and they'd go in 1932 01:46:10.840 --> 01:46:13.000 the back seat of a cop car and then they'd 1933 01:46:13.119 --> 01:46:15.680 like start going at it. But then someone would be like, hey, 1934 01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:17.760 what's he doing back there? And then like the one 1935 01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:19.560 cop would like lean in front of the window to 1936 01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:23.199 cover it up and exactly police business. 1937 01:46:25.159 --> 01:46:31.199 And then a guitar would be like you need to 1938 01:46:31.279 --> 01:46:38.920 have like a Billie Idol song or something. Yes, oh boy, 1939 01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:43.159 broken Arrow, Broken Arrow, Broken Arrow. 1940 01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:51.279 Is a good I don't know, but like you know, 1941 01:46:51.560 --> 01:46:55.600 there's there's some fun nineties flare happening here, you know. 1942 01:46:55.840 --> 01:47:00.199 I I for me, ultimately, Uh, it's fun to just 1943 01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:01.920 go through some of these old movies with you, and 1944 01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:04.560 you know, we can point out the stuff that works 1945 01:47:04.600 --> 01:47:07.039 for us and some of the stuff that doesn't. I 1946 01:47:07.159 --> 01:47:09.079 do think, you know. I mean, look, there are certain 1947 01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:12.800 nineties action movies that have truly transcended that we're still 1948 01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:16.439 talking about thirty years later. Yeah, you know, you've mentioned 1949 01:47:16.479 --> 01:47:19.199 a few. There's the Fugitive and speed and the rock 1950 01:47:19.319 --> 01:47:22.079 even you know, man, you know, I don't think Broken 1951 01:47:22.159 --> 01:47:25.239 Arrow is in that tier or even the tier directly below. 1952 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:31.159 Maybe a few tiers down, sure, but you know, I 1953 01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:35.359 think within that hour and forty eight minutes you'll get 1954 01:47:35.640 --> 01:47:39.159 an hour and ten minutes or so of enjoyment. Sure, 1955 01:47:39.479 --> 01:47:43.279 it's a funny way of putting it. Yeah, yeah, I 1956 01:47:43.399 --> 01:47:47.840 hear that. But hey, those of you listening, let us 1957 01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:50.279 know your thoughts about Broken Arrow. You know, mayb maybe 1958 01:47:50.279 --> 01:47:53.079 you disagree. That's cool, but let's. 1959 01:47:54.600 --> 01:47:56.119 This is kind of a unique one. I feel like 1960 01:47:56.199 --> 01:48:00.600 for us, we do this, Okay, I mean I just 1961 01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:02.159 love that. It was like, well, if you got any 1962 01:48:02.199 --> 01:48:04.039 thoughts on this, that's. 1963 01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:08.840 COOLNA say emails let us know. You know, you can 1964 01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:11.239 make it a conversation. You can emails it Movie Film 1965 01:48:11.359 --> 01:48:13.880 Podcast at gmail dot com. You can also hit like 1966 01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:17.319 on our Facebook Facebook dot com slash movie Let me 1967 01:48:17.399 --> 01:48:21.479 try that again, Facebook Facebook dot com slash Movie Film Podcast. 1968 01:48:21.560 --> 01:48:23.560 I have not been drinking. I don't I don't drink. 1969 01:48:24.520 --> 01:48:28.920 I have no explanation. 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Yeah, or 2008 01:50:24.119 --> 01:50:27.640 the genre. It may not be a mystery, but you know, 2009 01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:31.439 good good comedy gold. You never know. You never know 2010 01:50:31.479 --> 01:50:37.119 what's coming. But I'll use that as the opportunity to 2011 01:50:37.359 --> 01:50:41.159 to bid ado to our listeners in this episode. Thanks everybody, 2012 01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:41.960 We'll catch you next time.