Speaker 1: Welcome friends. It's podcast podcasting time. John Jack again Ryan.
Speaker 1: They're talking about the movie's Mommy now back has made
Speaker 1: the only thing more dangerous than what he knows is
Speaker 1: what he's prepared to do two hundred and fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars by a nine hundred U top time. If you
Speaker 1: have not good God. But there's one thing, small boys,
Speaker 1: we're about to retire. He didn't count on. I know
Speaker 1: his mind works. You gotta let me go after him.
Speaker 1: Care for a cooke or something, John Travolta, you lose
Speaker 1: Christian Slater. We're right in here. Mind ain't a cool
Speaker 1: broken arrow a John wu film Welcome to a movie
Speaker 1: film commentary track. My name is Zaki Hassan, and here
Speaker 1: is the VIC Deacons to my Riley Hale, Brian Hall. Hey,
Speaker 1: ho's going, Zachie. I'm sitting here waiting for you to
Speaker 1: betray me as I have every week for the last
Speaker 1: fourteen years in anticipation. It's coming. It's coming. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna will you though. Once I hear that ominous Hans
Speaker 1: zimmer Sting, that's what I know. My numbers up. I'm
Speaker 1: going to eject through the roof of my house.
Speaker 2: Dude, suddenly, just in the middle of one episode, You're
Speaker 2: gonna hear doom and I'd be like what, And I'll
Speaker 2: be like cool and.
Speaker 1: Take a drag off a cigarette. I have to say. So,
Speaker 1: we are watching nineteen ninety six is Broken Arrow, which
Speaker 1: celebrates its thirtieth anniversary as we are recording this roughly
Speaker 1: the same week, and I was thinking, I was like,
Speaker 1: the most memorable claim to fame this movie has may
Speaker 1: well be the fact that ain't it cool news? God
Speaker 1: its name from this movie? Yeah, yeah, from that line
Speaker 1: that uh uh oh, my gosh, John Travolta, Josh volt Man,
Speaker 1: when you when you when your star falls, it really falls.
Speaker 1: You know, it's fun. No, you know, it's weird.
Speaker 2: I had John Ritter in my head and I was like,
Speaker 2: it's not ridder Brant, It's not ridder don't say Ritter.
Speaker 2: And then then I short circuit in so yes, but
Speaker 2: you know what, I remember that line from the marketing.
Speaker 1: From the trailers that was all over the place. That
Speaker 1: was one of those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, back in the day, I don't know if it
Speaker 2: happened more frequently. Maybe I was watching more TV, and
Speaker 2: you know, they'd have like one line that they would
Speaker 2: always repeat in all the ads for certain movies. So
Speaker 2: those lines just got stuck in my head.
Speaker 1: Ain't it cool? Well, I remember that from the mid nineties,
Speaker 1: and you and Harry Knowles both yeah, yeah, uh, that's
Speaker 1: that's what makes you and Harry Knowles so similar. Let's
Speaker 1: go down to the list of similarity. Hey, so, anyway
Speaker 1: we're gonna watch. This will be fun. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be fun. Yeah, I love going. You know, this has
Speaker 1: become kind of a semi recurring thing where we just
Speaker 1: dip into nineties action movies. I love it. I love it,
Speaker 1: and I have not seen this since the nineties. Same same,
Speaker 1: same here, So this is definitely fun to dip back into.
Speaker 1: But let's do it. Hey, if you want to watch
Speaker 1: along with us, you're certainly welcome to do that. There
Speaker 1: is only the one cut, the theatrical cut, directed by
Speaker 1: John Woo. If you don't want to watch along, that's okay.
Speaker 1: We'll try to keep the conversation interesting enough. We'll try
Speaker 1: to make you say, ain't it cool? I hope, so,
Speaker 1: I hope. So, So I'm ready. What about you, Brian?
Speaker 1: I'm ready? All right, here, we got let's do this.
Speaker 1: So we'll do the usual thing on three one two
Speaker 1: three play and Here we Go one two three play
Speaker 1: Fox joy Sentry Fox. This is This is written by
Speaker 1: Graham Yost. Yes, it is a produced by Mark Gordon.
Speaker 1: So kind of a Speed reunion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is the year after Speed, right,
Speaker 2: so this is two years oh two years. Sorry, but
Speaker 2: this was Graham Yos Grammyos. This is kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: I want to say.
Speaker 2: I don't remember what podcast it was, but I heard
Speaker 2: him speaking on one and he was saying that he
Speaker 2: was working at a sitcom. I believe it was Herman's
Speaker 2: Head Full House, Oh, full House, but he did work
Speaker 2: on Herman's Head, right, he may have he yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: but no, you're right full house and he was very unhappy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so he decided he was just going to, you know,
Speaker 2: risk it all, take a leap, write something, and just
Speaker 2: see if he could he could do the thing he
Speaker 2: really wanted to do. And then he makes Speed.
Speaker 1: Right, and then he writes one of the greatest action
Speaker 1: movies ever made yep, yep. And so then he's super
Speaker 1: hotpy Brian, It's just that easy. Yeah, come on, why
Speaker 1: even you done?
Speaker 2: That sounds like something like your parents would say to you,
Speaker 2: why haven't you written a movie like Diehard? But yeah,
Speaker 2: so then this post speed Fox is probably like what
Speaker 2: else you got?
Speaker 1: Give us anything? And then we get a broken arrow,
Speaker 1: Broken arrow, which the title is now in the movie.
Speaker 1: They're like, it's a reference to if a nuclear missile
Speaker 1: is stolen, right, which my understanding is that's actually not true.
Speaker 1: It's it's a reference to a nuclear weapon where the
Speaker 1: head where it's no longer nuclear. Yes, that is a
Speaker 1: broken arrow. So the term for a stolen weapon would
Speaker 1: be empty quiver, which I thought should be the code
Speaker 1: name for a vasectomy. I was about to say that
Speaker 1: that's actually the script from my movie about a guy
Speaker 1: with low sperm count. Hey look at us, Yeah, starring
Speaker 1: Rob Schneider. I kind of see in my head, I
Speaker 1: see him on the poster like with his arms out
Speaker 1: like eh, you know.
Speaker 2: Exactly, a kind of doing a shrug, but with a
Speaker 2: oh no, like yeah, exactly, you got empty.
Speaker 1: Quivery operation operation empty quiver. That's when you go to
Speaker 1: get prosectomia.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, right, doesn't sound like that, you know, It's
Speaker 2: funny because I know these guys are supposed to be
Speaker 2: like longtime pals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
Speaker 2: And then it's like, I don't that sense at all. No,
Speaker 2: not in this opening boxing match, right, I was actually
Speaker 2: thinking about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So so that turn is supposed to be kind
Speaker 1: of a turn, yes, and it's really not because Travolta
Speaker 1: such an asshole right from the start. There isn't any
Speaker 1: like he's not like this opening scene, it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be him kind of like mentoring Hail, but there's nothing
Speaker 1: playful about it.
Speaker 2: Not at all, or like mentor like at all. Like
Speaker 2: he seems like a jerk who is relishing exactly in whooping.
Speaker 1: This guy, I was saying, I was like, that's a choice,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I mean that's kind of the thing, right,
Speaker 2: Like I read in some of the there wasn't like
Speaker 2: a ton that I could dig up on this movie. Yeah, same,
Speaker 2: But I did read that Travolta it was his decision
Speaker 2: to go big, sure, And I'm like, he definitely goes.
Speaker 1: Big yeah in this right. By the way, Interesting that
Speaker 1: Dwight little there gets a producer credit because he was
Speaker 1: originally supposed to direct this movie. Oh maybe he helped
Speaker 1: develop it a little bit, That's what I was thinking, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he directed a rapid fire the Brandon Lee movie
Speaker 1: Oh okay, and one of them, I think Mark for
Speaker 1: Death or something. But he left this to do Free
Speaker 1: Willy two rights the guaranteed payday of Free Willy two, which.
Speaker 2: Is funny because now it seems like, oh man, but
Speaker 2: I mean Free Willy one was a phenomenon.
Speaker 1: That's at the time you can sort of understand his thinking.
Speaker 1: But yeah, in hindsight, I don't know, maybe maybe not
Speaker 1: the best choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean did that one even go to
Speaker 2: the theaters? I mean that became one of those things
Speaker 2: where there was the one big movie that everybody.
Speaker 1: This is the way that he holds the cigarette in
Speaker 1: this movie.
Speaker 2: It like like, look, I remember it. It's memorable, but
Speaker 2: it also like just kind of odd. It irrationally irritates me.
Speaker 2: But that's that's well, sorry, I'm pivoting a little bit.
Speaker 2: But like so him saying he wanted to go big, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this led to sort of a string of performances I
Speaker 2: feel like for Travolta, where when this ended, without even
Speaker 2: thinking about it, I thought, man, you know what I'd
Speaker 2: like to rewatch is Swordfish.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is is I was like, because
Speaker 1: because this is like his first time playing a villain,
Speaker 1: and I was like, did the record get stuck or something? Right,
Speaker 1: because he was pretty much just in this lane for
Speaker 1: a while exactly.
Speaker 2: So he does this in Swordfish Pelham one two three, right,
Speaker 2: like he's playing these kind of big like kind of
Speaker 2: post Tarantino, you know, like their little hip you know.
Speaker 1: I mean even even the face off right where he's
Speaker 1: the Nick Cage character is played by him.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and kind of the pup has got a
Speaker 2: brand new bag, you know, kind of a thing he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I don't No, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: tell me, what do you what do you do you feel?
Speaker 1: I think always like goofy. I think Travolta is very watchable, certainly.
Speaker 2: That's what I was wondering. Yeah, I mean, does it
Speaker 2: work just on because of that? It just makes it watchable?
Speaker 2: Would it be less interesting if he wasn't doing it?
Speaker 1: Okay? So my feeling is that the character is less
Speaker 1: interesting because he goes so big with it. M M
Speaker 1: I because in essence, when you think about it, I
Speaker 1: mean this this in terms of what he does in
Speaker 1: the movie. He's not that far removed from from Ed
Speaker 1: Harris in The Rock, Right, Yeah, it's the why that's
Speaker 1: substantially different, right, And I think I think what Ed
Speaker 1: Harris really excels at is just the the smoldering silence.
Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah, yeah. And and I think Travolta is
Speaker 1: playing a little more campy, you know, And and that's fine.
Speaker 1: Bear in mind like this, this was this moment where
Speaker 1: John Travolta's name of the title is enough to make
Speaker 1: a movie a hit, which you know, how long did
Speaker 1: that last? About five six years? Maybe? Yeah? Right? So,
Speaker 1: I you know, they wanted him to play the Christian
Speaker 1: Slater character, and he's like, no, I want to be
Speaker 1: the villain. So I understand that because it gave him
Speaker 1: a chance to stretch a little totally. But I do wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, if if the movie might have worked better
Speaker 1: with him as Hale. Yeah. Maybe. And you go with
Speaker 1: it because it has written the deacon's character is a
Speaker 1: little older. You go to somebody a little older, you know, hm,
Speaker 1: who would you put in there? Then I'm well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny, it's reflexively I'm like Ed Harris, oh wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sure, But you know what though, Yeah, I mean, well,
Speaker 2: I guess obviously because we know it works.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, circa nineteen ninety six. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I don't know. I don't have to
Speaker 1: think about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, it's funny because this is kind
Speaker 2: of that moment. It's interesting looking at each decade and
Speaker 2: what action movies are like, right, I mean, they get a.
Speaker 1: Little I don't know if you call it meta, but
Speaker 1: they become.
Speaker 2: Like the eighties was action figures come to life, you know,
Speaker 2: who could like Schwartzenegger and Stallone and you know, crazy
Speaker 2: over the top muscles. And then the nineties was you know,
Speaker 2: more normal looking sort of dudes in crazy situations. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, against all odds, but with like a lot
Speaker 2: of humor, you know. I mean it makes me think
Speaker 2: of con Air and the Rock and Face Off and
Speaker 2: you know, you have a little bit of a wink
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: Kind of even die Hard and Speed to some extent.
Speaker 1: I feel like Diehard in a way kind of kicked
Speaker 1: it off, didn't it.
Speaker 2: Like like there's always like a movie that like ends
Speaker 2: a decade, you know, like Star Wars in a way
Speaker 2: sort of ended the gritty seventies. Yeah, and maybe Diehard
Speaker 2: sort of ended that action figure eighties.
Speaker 1: By the way, So my thought here with the fake
Speaker 1: park ranger guy, I'm like, if he's just gonna kill
Speaker 1: him anyway, why is he even dressed like a park ranger.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because I hadn't seen this in
Speaker 2: thirty years. I thought the guy in the tent was
Speaker 2: going to be the bad guy.
Speaker 1: He's where he's not.
Speaker 2: Supposed to be interesting, like, oh, I'm not supposed to
Speaker 2: be here, and I was waiting for him to draw
Speaker 2: a gun interesting, And then I felt really bad.
Speaker 1: I know, bro just catches fack and then they shoot
Speaker 1: the old lady. That's terrible. I know, at least they
Speaker 1: don't show it like these guys are bad, Brian.
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's my sense, but this does remind
Speaker 2: me of the sort of eighties excess action of the guy,
Speaker 2: Like not only does he get like shot to death,
Speaker 2: but he like lands in the middle of the fire pit.
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, here's Bob Gunton playing uh
Speaker 1: the second of his lovable father figure rolls after Shawshank redemption. Right,
Speaker 1: He's just like he's an unrepented asshole all the time.
Speaker 1: He's got resting asshole face he does, but like he's.
Speaker 2: One of those people where you don't even need to
Speaker 2: write a lot for him, Like he brings whatever.
Speaker 1: He is a type. He is the Bob Gunton type. Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Some people just have that magic, and he definitely does.
Speaker 1: Although tell me, like the minute he's like, Deacons, what
Speaker 1: are you doing, I'm like, Oh, he's about to He's
Speaker 1: gonna He's gonna die horribly. What you want to tell him? Like, dude,
Speaker 1: just shut up? I know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So now we've got Travolta and Slater in
Speaker 2: the plane and I'm like, oh, they're buds because I
Speaker 2: thought they hated each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, that's the interesting thing. I I do kind
Speaker 1: of like that the opening boxing scene. We tie back
Speaker 1: to that at the end, so it sort of you know,
Speaker 1: it ties a bow around the whole thing, right right
Speaker 1: the Yeah, and but yeah, that was my thought is
Speaker 1: I think I think if we started out with kind
Speaker 1: of a playful spar session, yeah, and then we end
Speaker 1: with just like a fight to the dead, that that
Speaker 1: would heighten the stakes, you know. I agree, Like I.
Speaker 2: Wish it had felt a little warmer because then when
Speaker 2: Travolta turns in the plane and he like looks over
Speaker 2: sort of sinister, that would have felt even more devastating.
Speaker 2: And then yeah to your point at the end, then yes,
Speaker 2: then they have like a fistfight at the end again,
Speaker 2: but it's completely different. But it felt antagonistic from the start.
Speaker 2: Delroy Lindo and.
Speaker 1: It freshly minted Oscar nominee Delroy Lindo. Oh wait from
Speaker 1: which for sinners? Oh? I thought you meant in the nineties. No, no,
Speaker 1: as we record this right, yes, right right in the
Speaker 1: in the here and now. Yeah, man, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: remember where I first saw him. Oh, I first saw
Speaker 1: him in another Travolta movie and Get Shorty, Get Shorty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe that or The Hard Way that was a big
Speaker 1: one for my I didn't see that until later. Ransom,
Speaker 1: you know what, I bet Ransom is the one that,
Speaker 1: like where he really made like a huge impression on me.
Speaker 1: He was great. And see the thing is, Delroy Lindo
Speaker 1: is always like earnest and like determined, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like, man, this is a guy. I'd follow this guy.
Speaker 1: I totally He's uh, it's just I'm remembering this moment.
Speaker 2: I was like, do I tell this whole story? But
Speaker 2: basically I was in a bar and I saw Keith David.
Speaker 1: Okay, and.
Speaker 2: But it was like when we were still wearing masks.
Speaker 2: So I like, I just entered the restaurant, I was
Speaker 2: wearing a mask.
Speaker 1: And I saw Keith David. I was like, oh, crap's
Speaker 1: Keith David.
Speaker 2: And so I wanted to like acknowledge him, but I
Speaker 2: didn't think he could see my face, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Me smiling or whatever. So I did like a little bow.
Speaker 2: Okay, I put my like my hands together and did
Speaker 2: like a little bow. And then he did like a
Speaker 2: little thing back, which was like hey, all right and awesome,
Speaker 2: and I was just eat like Dela Roy Lindo gives
Speaker 2: me that same thing, Like if I saw him in
Speaker 2: a restaurant, I feel like I need to acknowledge.
Speaker 1: Him, like dude, you would bow? Yeah, I just like
Speaker 1: a little dude, You're great man. Yeah. It's funny because
Speaker 1: he was a couple of years later, he was in
Speaker 1: a movie called Romeo Must Die. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: I do? Yeah, with Aliyah and jet Lee, and that
Speaker 1: whole movie is just absolutely cockamami and it's it's just
Speaker 1: tonally all over the place, right right. But then you
Speaker 1: got del Roy Lindo as a Leah's dad and if
Speaker 1: he is not acting as if he is in the
Speaker 1: most serious, dramatic role of his career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I just love that he totally I
Speaker 2: mean again going back to the like those character actors
Speaker 2: that just have that singular magic. I mean, him in
Speaker 2: that opening scene, just sitting there existing like all right,
Speaker 2: well now it's time to like he's just adding the
Speaker 2: thing that only he can add that makes that character
Speaker 2: immediately interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I do love this whole conceit here right where it's
Speaker 2: like they're trying to see if they can hide I
Speaker 2: guess from radar carrying these nuclear missiles. Yeah, it didn't
Speaker 2: make me nervous to where he's like, all right, we're
Speaker 2: what do you say, like, we're one hundred yards above
Speaker 2: the ground. Yeah, but there's like some little.
Speaker 1: Peak or cragg you miss. Yeah. I'm still trying to
Speaker 1: game out like whether Deacon's plan makes even a lick
Speaker 1: of sense. It seems like there's too many variables, and
Speaker 1: so I'm like, and then I'm like, why am I
Speaker 1: over there? I'm like, what am I doing? You know?
Speaker 1: Right right? What's the first one that comes to mind? Well,
Speaker 1: it's so much of it relies on being at a
Speaker 1: certain place and having you know, like at one point,
Speaker 1: you know he his plan rested on Hale trying to
Speaker 1: disarm it right right, right right, and this stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of a lot of that stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's funny too if there's a drop off
Speaker 2: spot and they're in a plane that's going like who
Speaker 2: knows how many miles an hour over the crownd.
Speaker 1: Is he right there? He says yeah. He's like, you
Speaker 1: get off on it, and it seems like a pretty
Speaker 1: innocuous insult. Yeah, it's like that's what triggered Deacons, you bastard.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me what I get off on.
Speaker 2: But like that insane over the top like close up
Speaker 2: zoom in on his eyes or whatever. That's you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: John Wu, you know what I mean? Like I feel
Speaker 2: like John Wu like really had like his huge moment.
Speaker 2: Well I mean he had a big moment before all
Speaker 2: his movies in the US, but like he really did
Speaker 2: take the US by storm for.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like a four year window. It
Speaker 1: feels like, right because you had this because before this
Speaker 1: was hard target, which you know I mean that you
Speaker 1: know that probably hit the ceiling of John Claude van
Speaker 1: Dam's audience, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he does this,
Speaker 1: and then the next year was Face Off, and then
Speaker 1: I think after that was Mission Impossible too, right, Oh
Speaker 1: really was there anything in between? You? Maybe? Right? No,
Speaker 1: I guess you're right, and then like wind Talker's Paycheck,
Speaker 1: and then was yeah and none of those performed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But but I mean the fact that his style was so.
Speaker 2: Like fresh feeling and exciting that it wasn't like he
Speaker 2: was just making Jet Lee movies, you know, or something
Speaker 2: where it's like, oh, it's action.
Speaker 1: Who cares about the plot?
Speaker 2: Like as long as you know, as long as the
Speaker 2: action is cool and flashing over the top, like Tom
Speaker 2: Cruise was like that's my guy. Like Mission Impossible one
Speaker 2: made by Brian de Palma, and then with two his
Speaker 2: follow up, he's like, no, man, I want that.
Speaker 1: I ended up with the worst one out of all eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it does remain a amazing time capsule.
Speaker 2: I will give you that a moment, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: just the crazy like the zoom in close ups and
Speaker 2: the you know, kicking a gun on the ground and
Speaker 2: then it flies up into the air so you can
Speaker 2: spin around and pick it up with doves flying behind him.
Speaker 1: You know, like it was a moment. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: And I will say I think that's what does make
Speaker 1: this movie a little bit better than just being something
Speaker 1: that would be kind of forgettable otherwise. I absolutely agree
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: I mean, the helicopter propeller thing when it's coming at
Speaker 2: Samantha mathis like all that stuff, that's the stuff that
Speaker 2: makes this worth going back to thirty years later, because otherwise,
Speaker 2: like the plot itself, unfortunately, even though it's an intrigued,
Speaker 2: pretty goofy yeah.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really feel like much by this. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially when you know, with hindsight, we're like, this is
Speaker 1: the writer of Speed and the creator of Justified and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. They're like, well, this on the story
Speaker 1: level kind of a swing and a miss. I think.
Speaker 1: I think John gives it a little bit of zazz totally,
Speaker 1: you know, And certainly that's what audiences were in the
Speaker 1: mood for back then, because this was a pretty substantial hit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I made one hundred and fifty million worldwide on a
Speaker 2: budget of around fifty.
Speaker 1: Remember when both of those figures were okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was good, right, which is wild when you think
Speaker 1: about one hundred and fifty million worldwide in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: six money, and now some like you know, marvel Movie
Speaker 1: or something like or them Marvels didn't even maybe make
Speaker 1: or maybe made about one hundred worldwide. Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2: Crazy the box office, Like you can't just when you
Speaker 2: get used to what movies look like they should be making,
Speaker 2: like the game changes, I know, seriously. Yeah, hey, it's
Speaker 2: it's a whole table of Hey, that guys, totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We got kurtwood Smith right holding court right up.
Speaker 1: So you talk about a type. He just waiting for
Speaker 1: him to call somebody a dumb ass.
Speaker 2: I dude, I was waiting for him to be like
Speaker 2: a mole or something, or like some bad guy just
Speaker 2: because maybe RoboCop or something.
Speaker 1: And that fell on the on the left there in
Speaker 1: the previous shot. That's Daniel von Bargain. He was. He
Speaker 1: was George's boss on Seinfeld, one of George's bosses. Oh
Speaker 1: really yeah, And of course Frank Whaley look at the
Speaker 1: big brain on Brett.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was happy to see him. And then I mean,
Speaker 2: this is a pulp fiction reunion for him and John Travolta.
Speaker 1: That's right. Although I don't believe they occupy any scenes together,
Speaker 1: not in this. Yeah, doesn't it feel like Frank Whaley's
Speaker 1: character should be bigger in the story.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. He reminded me of John Cusack.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, he's the John Cusack character. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: in conn Air, Yeah, in Connor yep.
Speaker 2: Like he's the guy who's not the action he zo,
Speaker 2: but he's got like the know how and the smarts
Speaker 2: and he knows what he needs to do on the
Speaker 2: side sidelines to get the job done.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It almost feels like because they didn't get a
Speaker 1: bigger name, they were like, yeah, we can just kind
Speaker 1: of disappear like two thirds of the way through. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But he so I thought he right here where he
Speaker 2: sort of like tells them I don't remember what he
Speaker 2: says exactly, but like this plan is dumb. I thought, then, Oh, shoot,
Speaker 2: kurtwood Smith was going to be like, come with me,
Speaker 2: young man, and take him into another room and basically
Speaker 2: like lock him up, or that was like what I
Speaker 2: was anticipating. But Waley, man, he was like, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's he's still going. But like in the nineties he
Speaker 2: was having a real moment. I mean, actually eighty nine
Speaker 2: with Field of Dreams. He was Archie Graham.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: And then you know, he was in I mean Swing Kids,
Speaker 2: which I think is kind of like a cult hit,
Speaker 2: but I remember it pretty well. JFK, Career Opportunities, pulp fiction,
Speaker 2: Swimming with Sharks, like he was having a real moment
Speaker 2: in the nineties.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. We don't see him as much anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. I could see him being on some
Speaker 2: good show or something, you know. I mean, he's he's interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, I was. I was thinking that about Christian Slater
Speaker 1: watching because because he's a lot of fun in this.
Speaker 1: Actually I was like, I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe just because you know, we grew up with Christian Slater,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's nice to see him kind of
Speaker 1: be the focal point in an action picture. I don't
Speaker 1: think he did a whole ton, but I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to see him do like a
Speaker 1: he should be doing an NCIS or something.
Speaker 2: You know, dude, one he's actually I don't think he
Speaker 2: is a spoiler, but he shows up at the end
Speaker 2: of If I had legs, i'd kick you, okay, just
Speaker 2: in the third act, and I was like.
Speaker 1: Questions later, Hey, nice to see you. There's there's that
Speaker 1: one movie and I don't remember what it's called, but
Speaker 1: he plays like the head of like a team who
Speaker 1: investigate serial killers or something like that, and he has
Speaker 1: like this death that's freaking goddamn horrifying. Okay, and so
Speaker 1: it's it's one it's like the Drew Barrymore in Scream
Speaker 1: kind of death. Oh sure, sure. And it's like this
Speaker 1: elaborate set of it's like a him and his team
Speaker 1: going to this place and they trigger a trap that
Speaker 1: sets off like a like a what do you call it, uh,
Speaker 1: Rube Goldberg kind of It's like this elaborate Rube Goldberg
Speaker 1: thing exactly, and it and it's it's oh god, damn it.
Speaker 1: You know the it like freezes you liquid nitrogen, liquid nitrogen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so his legs, his ankles freeze and he like
Speaker 1: tips over, and then his midsection freezes and he rips open.
Speaker 1: Was this post saw it may have been, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: should figure out what the movie is. I saw it
Speaker 1: because somebody online was like, hey, Christian Slater's death and
Speaker 1: whatever was freaking messed up, and so I naturally I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: obviously I have got in your car. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he out to Cineplex odeon. I didn't even do that.
Speaker 1: I pulled it up on YouTube. It's like a relatively
Speaker 1: recent movie. But holy hell, I'm trying to remember what
Speaker 1: the movie was though, I don't know. Man, he's interesting.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, like in the eighties, you know, he
Speaker 2: kind of had that young Jack Nicholson thing going on,
Speaker 2: right with the arched eyebrows and I mean he's like
Speaker 2: basically imitating Jack Nicholson in Heathers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then he had sort of like cuff mind Hunters, right,
Speaker 1: that's the movie mind Hunter Hunters. Yeah, so it's a film.
Speaker 1: It's it's it is a film, Yeah, two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: Wait is this the Val Kilmer is in it? Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it was something else. It actually is a
Speaker 1: pretty crazy cast. Yeah, a little cool Jay's in it.
Speaker 1: Johnny Lee Miller. Christian Slater is the ant and we
Speaker 1: know why he's the and right right direct by Rannie Harlan. Actually,
Speaker 1: oh interesting. Anyway, look that up. I had to see it,
Speaker 1: so you should too. I'll report back. Yeah. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh hey, guys, no, like you know, like the early nineties,
Speaker 1: pump up the volume. This is a little little reunion.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Pump up the Volume with Samantha Mathis, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're about to see right here. Basically they have their
Speaker 1: little meat cute. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, because they then they dated in real life and
Speaker 2: they were broken up at this point. So I was
Speaker 2: reading that they both found it a little awkward.
Speaker 1: Although I mean they they're fun together. Oh they're good.
Speaker 1: Oh no, totally in the movie. I mean you you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know that. I think Jennifer Aniston was up for this.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, isn't it. I mean, this is what friends
Speaker 1: had started. Huh. Friends was about two years and yeah,
Speaker 1: so I read Helen I see a little less. But
Speaker 1: I guess she went and did Twister her and and
Speaker 1: that movie didn't do much of anything. So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: she chose wisely. I could see Jennifer Aniston in this.
Speaker 1: You know, she would bring an interesting energy.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I'd feel a lot of like
Speaker 2: chemistry between them necessarily, but she would bring a fun
Speaker 2: almost like Sandra Bullock and Speed kind of fun I
Speaker 2: think to it with their personality.
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a ton of chemistry between No,
Speaker 1: these two either. No, I don't disagree with that, and
Speaker 1: it's almost like the movie knows that because we don't
Speaker 1: even end with like a clinch or anything. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they like hold hands. I think they shake hands like
Speaker 1: and then we cut to black.
Speaker 2: Well, at least they're touching. It does feel like there's
Speaker 2: a scene missing, but we can get to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny. I also read that they
Speaker 1: thought about this by the way that real Okay, this
Speaker 1: is like a very John Wu thing where they both
Speaker 1: draw at the same time.
Speaker 2: And yes, these sort of standoffs or stalemates where the
Speaker 2: characters both have a weapon drawn on you each other, kind.
Speaker 1: Of like so what do we do now? Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of those in John Wu movies and in
Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'd read that they thought about Lauren Hally
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, she looks like Lauren Holly
Speaker 2: in this movie. Yeah, almost like they wanted Holly and
Speaker 2: they're like, here, put on this wig.
Speaker 1: They did like a vertigo with Jimmy Stewart's character, you know,
Speaker 1: where he's like, right, right, right, let's do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but real quick, I have to say I have
Speaker 2: a Christian Slater story, which is back in the day
Speaker 2: I was working somewhere and a friend.
Speaker 1: Fired some liquid nitrogen at his I was the guy.
Speaker 1: I was the mind hunter you pastored.
Speaker 2: No, But I was working at a studio and this
Speaker 2: one girl was like, Hey, there's gonna be a led
Speaker 2: Zeppelin laser light show.
Speaker 1: We should all go.
Speaker 2: And so we, you know, a few of us show up,
Speaker 2: and I thought it was gonna be really cool and
Speaker 2: she was gonna be cool. And then we learned later
Speaker 2: that everyone else was like, why are we doing this?
Speaker 2: Aye going to this theater and then sitting two rows
Speaker 2: behind us Christian Slater.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so uh yeah we saw the same led Zeppelin
Speaker 2: laser light show.
Speaker 1: Did you sidle up next to him be like I
Speaker 1: loved you and broken arrow? I should have? I should have?
Speaker 1: He's like ah, and then he moves like two seats down.
Speaker 1: Even the way you just did that made me think
Speaker 1: of him. Ah, I'm just suit over down seats here.
Speaker 1: He had a TV show. I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 1: It was called My I think it was like my
Speaker 1: own Worst Enemy. I don't remember that, yes is the problem.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was like an NBC something or other. Oh,
Speaker 1: like a comedy, Oh my comedy. Yeah, it was a drama.
Speaker 2: It was canceled after its fourth episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one of them, oh Man, Taylor Lautner, Yeah, wow, Saffron,
Speaker 1: Burrows and Cromwall nine episodes. Good lord, So it got
Speaker 1: canceled before like it it even aired its completed episodes. Wow.
Speaker 2: I also remember him really early on in a movie
Speaker 2: called Gleaming the Cube.
Speaker 1: This yeah yeah, yeah. Anyway, so this movie for him
Speaker 1: was I mean, that's what I'm saying, in terms of
Speaker 1: visibility and the type of role kind of kind of
Speaker 1: a big deal. And I think for the most part
Speaker 1: he quits himself. Fine, you know, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: But but I do think that there the energy levels
Speaker 1: are very off between him and Travolta, definitely, right, And
Speaker 1: so you know, I think I think that this goes
Speaker 1: to what we were talking about before, where Deacons he's
Speaker 1: playing him like a like a like a comic book villain,
Speaker 1: you know, and and I, like I said, I think
Speaker 1: that makes him watchable, but it it does. Ah, I
Speaker 1: I bump up against that a little bit, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just because I like a more complicated villain, you know. No,
Speaker 1: I agree, and I admire the swing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's not even like captured properly at times,
Speaker 2: like he's doing these big goofy like you say, like
Speaker 2: comic book villainy sort of what a yeah, but like
Speaker 2: sometimes they're not even in close up. He's like in
Speaker 2: like a medium shot and then he just like reveals
Speaker 2: how awkward it is.
Speaker 1: You know now, Now that being said, man, the Deacons theme,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, I love it. By the way, So
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it's the Dewey theme also in Scream Too. Dude.
Speaker 2: When I was watching this, I was like, that is
Speaker 2: the Dowey theme. Yeah, Like I'm confused, And so then
Speaker 2: I googled it and.
Speaker 1: Basically, did you read about this? They tempt to Scream
Speaker 1: Too with this, Yes, and they just kept it right.
Speaker 1: They liked it too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they I think they showed it even to
Speaker 2: like a test audience, and it just it all completely worked,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, we're just gonna use the theme
Speaker 2: from Broken Arrow the Dewey's theme in the screen movies
Speaker 2: from now on.
Speaker 1: See. So I watched this for sure before I saw
Speaker 1: Scream Too, and so I remember, and I had the soundtrack.
Speaker 1: I loved the soundtrack. Yeah, And so when we see
Speaker 1: Dewey and scream two. I'm like, wait a minute, I
Speaker 1: know that you know that well at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew it very well. Yeah, that is so funny.
Speaker 2: I wonder how often that's happened. Every now and then
Speaker 2: you will see in the credits. Oh, I'll try to
Speaker 2: google and talk in a minute. But I remember at
Speaker 2: the end of some movie it said death of a
Speaker 2: turtle from the movie My Blue Heaven or something interesting,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, that's so fascinating, Like it's
Speaker 2: just a really random track from a movie. I don't
Speaker 2: think a lot of people pull from often, but it
Speaker 2: must have been a case where yeah, they tempt the
Speaker 2: movie with something and people are like, we can't beat this.
Speaker 2: They just ended up licensing score from another film for
Speaker 2: their own film.
Speaker 1: How often that happens? I can think of at least
Speaker 1: a few times that I can remember. Oh, by the
Speaker 1: real quick, I kind of love you know VONDI Curtis
Speaker 1: hall Over here. He was a villain in Diehard too,
Speaker 1: and now he gets the treatment that the villains do
Speaker 1: to the guys in Diehard. To remember like the oh yeah,
Speaker 1: totally there you go, hoisted by one's own petard. One
Speaker 1: might say so Here's an example of this. Comes to
Speaker 1: mind as I'm talking to you. The movie Troy. The
Speaker 1: scene where Brad Pitt and Eric Banna have their sword fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the music during that scene, I mean, the score is
Speaker 1: like Harry Gregs and Williams are Don Zimmer or something, right,
Speaker 1: But in that scene it's Danny Elfman's theme from the
Speaker 1: Tim Burton Planet of the Apes. Really, it's just straight
Speaker 1: up that theme. H Isn't that weird? That is weird?
Speaker 1: We by the Okay I found it. Turtle Death.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I remember the name of the piece,
Speaker 2: Turtle Death.
Speaker 1: A piece of Ira.
Speaker 2: Newborn score from the motion picture My Blue Heaven is
Speaker 2: used in the film Problem Child too.
Speaker 1: Wow. That just shows you what kind of kid I was.
Speaker 2: I was like eleven years old watching Problem Child two
Speaker 2: and watching the credits and being like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: that piece is from the other movie that I saw
Speaker 2: was Steve Martin in it.
Speaker 1: My Blue Heaven. Yeah, it's so weird that we have
Speaker 1: that movie as a specific point of reference because, like,
Speaker 1: I remember being a kid in Saudi Arabia and we
Speaker 1: lived in an apartment building, and so sometimes it would
Speaker 1: be like parties either above or below, and so my
Speaker 1: brother and I we would just go get food from
Speaker 1: the party and then we'd just come back to our apartment,
Speaker 1: which was empty because my parents were at the party,
Speaker 1: and we always had like a movie to watch. And
Speaker 1: so for me, my memory is of watching My Blue Heaven. Really,
Speaker 1: so like every once and while, I'll tell my brother,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, why don't we just snak away, let's
Speaker 1: go watch My Blue Heaven. I guess.
Speaker 2: That's really funny, which like a little hit like Lost Gem.
Speaker 2: That's really good movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really good movie. Yeah. Uh Troy. By
Speaker 1: the way, the score by the late great James Horner.
Speaker 1: I want to credit credit where due.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, we're talking a little bit over the movie here.
Speaker 2: But dude, Howie Long Eh he had like kind of
Speaker 2: an action career for a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, based on this they get well, first of all,
Speaker 1: his character was supposed to die early, and they just
Speaker 1: kind of liked what he was doing.
Speaker 2: He's got a great look, I mean that big square
Speaker 2: ahead of his you know, the flat top.
Speaker 1: And not not a bad actor, certainly in this movie.
Speaker 1: He's him. Yeah, he Well, he could have been like
Speaker 1: another Brian Bosworth. No, for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure that I could see him
Speaker 2: carrying a movie necessarily, but like he's great as like
Speaker 2: like a lackey with that a memorable lackey or charming lackey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he was. He headlined a movie on after this,
Speaker 1: maybe the following year, called Firestorm. Okay, I kind of
Speaker 1: remember this video is like a story he plays like
Speaker 1: a firefighter or something, and and you know, it's pretty forgettable.
Speaker 1: I I honestly I don't remember whether he was good
Speaker 1: or not, but clearly he didn't get more of a
Speaker 1: movie career after that. So yeah, but you know, not bad.
Speaker 2: And I mean you get a football career, an announcing career,
Speaker 2: you get some movies under your belt.
Speaker 1: I mean he's still doing that, right, he's still announcing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah. So anyway, where where are we
Speaker 1: on the story here? So we got to he dropped
Speaker 1: the bombs? This guy thinks Bob Gunton, Bob Gunton is
Speaker 1: like two seconds away from going you you actor to
Speaker 1: John Trabolta, and he like you know, pushes him out
Speaker 1: a window. Basically he's that guy from The Rocketeer, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right right like stop stop stop reference by the way,
Speaker 2: because I thought you were going to say another gund
Speaker 2: In performance. No, no, no, no, that's just a really
Speaker 2: but that's perfect, that's exactly You're right, that's a perfect example.
Speaker 1: Like, don't say that he's just gonna like kill you.
Speaker 1: Why would you say that, Bob Gunton by that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know this. He was the body
Speaker 1: double for the ghost of Egon Spangler in Ghostbusters Afterlife. Wow. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so like on set? Random, Yeah, on set he was
Speaker 1: the guy and then they overlaid a digital Harold Ramis
Speaker 1: mask on him. Interesting. Yeah, I mean you could get anybody, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know for the body. They just wanted a performance.
Speaker 1: I guess that's great. Maybe he knew him, Yeah, possibly her.
Speaker 1: He's a friend of friend of the wrightman's possibly. Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 1: So Samantha Mathis was between you know, pump up the
Speaker 1: volume in this. She was Princess Peach in the Super
Speaker 1: Mario Brothers movie. That's right, that's right, and then she uh,
Speaker 1: gosh what eight years after this, she was in another
Speaker 1: trouble To movie. She was in The Punisher. Oh but
Speaker 1: I don't remember it very well. Yeah, the Thomas Jane one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's the Punisher's wife.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Oh okay, oh yeah, so she doesn't make
Speaker 2: it far in the movie. I remember that, yeah, yeah, yeah, geez.
Speaker 1: They're like, let's just massacre his whole extended family. Remember that, Yes,
Speaker 1: yeah I do, I do. I remember. It's pretty rough
Speaker 1: now that that movie by way of comparison, right, like,
Speaker 1: I think, I think John really does elevate the action, yes,
Speaker 1: whereas The Punisher, for example, is directed by Jonathan Hensley
Speaker 1: for the first time director. And and that's why that
Speaker 1: movie is kind of just ordinary, you know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that like shots like this right here, you know,
Speaker 1: where we're tracking them running and stuff like who is
Speaker 1: giving a lot of visual interest that that I think
Speaker 1: really does, you know, make make you lean forward at
Speaker 1: times totally. It heightens the action for sure, makes it
Speaker 1: because I think I don't know how much of a
Speaker 1: reputation this movie has carried forward. I suspect it's a
Speaker 1: nostalgic favorite for people who were kind of in the
Speaker 1: right age range for it, you know, yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's really lived on. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe you can correct me.
Speaker 2: No, I don't, not that I'm aware of, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just as I'm like looking at what's happening,
Speaker 2: I'm realizing how similar this is to speed. You have
Speaker 2: kind of a real time issue, you know, and then
Speaker 2: you've got this guy who's like a you know, he's
Speaker 2: military or you could you know, say, you know, Jack
Speaker 2: Travin is like a police officer. And then you encounter
Speaker 2: sort of a normy character, like a female, you know,
Speaker 2: and then she gets thrust to the action, and then
Speaker 2: they team up and become partners and then kind of
Speaker 2: romantic by the end. You know, it's like a little
Speaker 2: yeh echoes.
Speaker 1: It's a good point. And yet this character Hale doesn't
Speaker 1: doesn't quite you know, transcend the screen the way the
Speaker 1: way Keanu Reeves's character does. No. I wonder why that is.
Speaker 1: By the way, real quick, I just have to call it.
Speaker 1: This is I was like, this is great. This helicopter
Speaker 1: with the back rotor thing coming at her. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be in that position, you know what.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: This is the kind of action I feel like we
Speaker 2: don't see anymore because it doesn't seem big enough on
Speaker 2: the page, right, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because now with computers and everything, we can make it
Speaker 2: ten times bigger. But like there's something like really understandable
Speaker 2: and realistic about a helicopter, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like the rotor blade.
Speaker 1: That's scary.
Speaker 2: And if that's coming at you and you frame it
Speaker 2: right and you you know, make it really tense. What
Speaker 2: a scary idea. This helicopter crashing and you missed it. Great,
Speaker 2: but it's flipping over and the road is still spinning
Speaker 2: and it's gonna cut you in half unless you move
Speaker 2: in time. And then seeing it even hitting the rocks
Speaker 2: and sparking like it's really visceral.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I really I love that. That's all
Speaker 1: bad news. I don't want to be.
Speaker 2: That's why I enjoy going back to these nineties movies
Speaker 2: like we do, because they just look different, you know
Speaker 2: than movies now, like movies now kind of have. And
Speaker 2: I'm not even like griping, It's just that's what happens
Speaker 2: over time. Things look different. But there's just like a
Speaker 2: different sort of flatter digital machine to everything.
Speaker 1: These days these days.
Speaker 2: And so I do enjoy going back to things that
Speaker 2: actually look like they were shot in a real location
Speaker 2: and are dusty and you know, grimy and gritty and
Speaker 2: like a real practical helicopter. They're obviously not really you
Speaker 2: know gon, Yeah, but like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: or like the example I always bring up is the
Speaker 2: uh when the sw and Terminator two is going down
Speaker 2: the freeway and then the helicopter crashes into the back
Speaker 2: of it, right, and I'm like, damn, dude, that's still
Speaker 2: crazy to me. That looks really hard to do. It
Speaker 2: looks really awesome and practical and inventive and exciting, and
Speaker 2: I just kind of miss that visceral type of action
Speaker 2: because we.
Speaker 1: Just know that much anymore. Well, I think unfortunately, and
Speaker 1: this is a conversation you and I have had before.
Speaker 1: You know, the realm for movies in that vein has
Speaker 1: become streaming originals. Yeah, yeah, for whatever reason, And you know,
Speaker 1: there's just that just feels like a downgrade. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And even in like the bigger theatrical action movies, I
Speaker 2: really I visual effects can be incredible, and when they
Speaker 2: are incredible, we don't even notice. But unfortunately, sometimes when
Speaker 2: you do notice and it's not working quite right, Like
Speaker 2: even if you just have like cars flipping over things
Speaker 2: or falling off of buildings.
Speaker 1: And you're like, man, that doesn't quite right.
Speaker 2: So then you're not feeling the same thing versus a
Speaker 2: movie from fricking nineteen eighty The Blues Brothers. When you're
Speaker 2: watching that car chase at the end, which is still
Speaker 2: incredible and you have all these real cars slamming into
Speaker 2: each other, it just hits differently.
Speaker 1: No pun intended that, yeah, you know. And so it's like,
Speaker 1: whenever we have these discussions, right, I have to fight
Speaker 1: the urge to just be like, you know, dag namit.
Speaker 2: I know I don't want to sound like that, but
Speaker 2: I really do mean that is a pleasure that I
Speaker 2: get then out of watching something like this.
Speaker 1: Where it's not like the greatest movie really, but the
Speaker 1: action is fun.
Speaker 2: It's captured in a dynamic way from John wu and
Speaker 2: it's nice to see some like real cool explosions and
Speaker 2: effects and crashes, and you know, so you're.
Speaker 1: Still waiting for kurtwood Smith to make because he'll turn here.
Speaker 1: I guess when he took Wayley aside and was actually like, okay,
Speaker 1: you want to be like.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: Then he blows his hand off from now I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of Brett that shocked look on his face.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because the scene is like so compelling,
Speaker 2: and I like probably have the whole thing memorized backwards
Speaker 2: and forwards, but it's still upsetting when he gets shot.
Speaker 1: I know, man, that movie. That movie's on Pluto all
Speaker 1: the time now.
Speaker 2: And I still fiction pulp fiction. I stopped on it
Speaker 2: every time. That movie is just so rewatchable to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, I screened it occasionally in my
Speaker 1: film classes, and it's I mean, it's shocking how many
Speaker 1: people just have forget seen it. They haven't even heard
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: So how does that play then thirty some years later,
Speaker 2: generally they enjoy it for people who don't even know
Speaker 2: it's reputation, I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty fresh, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: like you didn't see a ton of movies really emulating
Speaker 1: its structure, you know, and it's it's just it's just
Speaker 1: overflowing with these compelling performances. So it's still I mean,
Speaker 1: that movie, that movie is eternal. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Broken Arrow.
Speaker 2: I don't mean to take us down to other avenues here,
Speaker 2: but by the way, I have to say, my parents
Speaker 2: live basically on the border of Tulsa and Broken Arrow
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma. Wow, And it didn't even occur to me
Speaker 2: until like right, before we started, I googled Broken Arrow
Speaker 2: to pull up like the IMDb page and then it
Speaker 2: said Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. And I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this isn't it funny when you have certain words and
Speaker 2: I'm like, when I'm thinking about the movie, I'm not
Speaker 2: thinking about the city. But when I'm thinking about the city,
Speaker 2: I'm not thinking about the movie.
Speaker 1: I've never made the connection. You put them in their
Speaker 1: little in their individual boxes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the kind of incisive commentary everybody showed
Speaker 2: up for. From me, it's this is like, it looks
Speaker 2: like Wayne's basement down there, but that's not Wayne's basement.
Speaker 1: That weird Now, in terms of the reaction of the
Speaker 1: movie us as you and I both do, we checked
Speaker 1: out the Ciskel and the Ebert review. Yes, Yes, and
Speaker 1: for the first time ever, maybe the only time we saw,
Speaker 1: we saw Geene Siskel change his his thumb mide review. Yes.
Speaker 1: He started as a thumbs up and by the time
Speaker 1: they were done, it was a thumbst down.
Speaker 2: He basically he starts with a thumbs up and then
Speaker 2: Ebert's like, come on.
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, you're right, Yeah, you're right. But
Speaker 1: it's funny because you know, I mean they are.
Speaker 2: They they're like hardly ever sort of joking like they
Speaker 2: really like can get at one another.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I mean. So you see Ciskel a little
Speaker 1: bit like she's like okay, okay, Like it's like weird
Speaker 1: to see him in this, like.
Speaker 2: You know, relenting, like, Okay, Ebert has the power here
Speaker 2: in this moment, I have to acknowledge that. Then it's
Speaker 2: funny because he turns it around. He goes, Now, if
Speaker 2: I do this, you have to at least in this moment,
Speaker 2: change your review about your positive review about Cop.
Speaker 1: And a Half.
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's funny because Ebert pauses for like the
Speaker 2: perfect beat and goes, no, I don't think I'll do
Speaker 2: that like.
Speaker 1: Cop and a Half, which Ebert gave a thumbs up to. Yes,
Speaker 1: And it's it's uh, it's Burt Reynolds and a little boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a boy witnesses a murderer kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like Burt Reynolds's kindergarten cop type thing,
Speaker 1: you know, totally And and I haven't seen it, but
Speaker 1: I saw the poster and that was enough for me
Speaker 1: to say I will never watch it. I can picture
Speaker 1: it in my head right now.
Speaker 2: It's it's the boy with the handcuffs and he's putting
Speaker 2: it over Burt Reynolds's eyes exactly.
Speaker 1: I saw it because that was in the in in
Speaker 1: comic book ads. Yep, and and I was like, nope,
Speaker 1: not watching that ever. Yeah, yeah, And I've stood by
Speaker 1: that to this day. One of the few promises I've
Speaker 1: kept to myself, you know. But yeah, So, for for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, Ebert was a puns up on that.
Speaker 2: Maybe think of that Robert Frost poem about promises to keep.
Speaker 2: You're just like, and you know what, I never did
Speaker 2: watch Cup and a half. I had promises to keep
Speaker 2: miles ago before I sleep.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. That just made me think of that. Well,
Speaker 1: you give me action sequences like this, I agree, dude,
Speaker 1: by the way, pretty bad ass where he's shooting at
Speaker 1: the window but it's bulletproof glass and you see the
Speaker 1: ricochets on the glass but Travolta isn't flinching. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty bad ass. But this did make me laugh where
Speaker 1: he's like bulletproof glass. I'm like okay, And then they.
Speaker 2: Start shooting through the roof and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: why would you That makes no sense? Why would the
Speaker 2: whole car not be bulletproof.
Speaker 1: But the glasses, well, these are humpies. Yeah, and this
Speaker 1: is the first movie that used military humbies, Is that true? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then Arlt.
Speaker 2: Schwarzenegger saw it and was like, whoa, just remember he
Speaker 2: was like one of the first people to dry I've
Speaker 2: a humvy on the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then that's when they started making the hummer
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah wait I remember.
Speaker 2: Also in The Rock, isn't there a line where Conrie
Speaker 2: steals the guy's car and he's like yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that was such a moment.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of like the cyber truck or
Speaker 2: something where it was like they have appeared out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: and then it was.
Speaker 1: This status symbol and then you realize, well, this is
Speaker 1: really impractical in like eighty eight percent of my day
Speaker 1: to day experiences, you know. Yes, yeah, it just was
Speaker 1: like a look that people wanted to flash on the road. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But see you see a cyber truck, You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's an asshole. Well, I mean, I don't know, except
Speaker 1: for the people who may be listening right now, No,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it, I'm not. I'm not. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't feel I don't feel that about people
Speaker 1: who drive cyber tucks. I'm saying, if you drive a
Speaker 1: cyber truck, there is a high probability that people are like, hey,
Speaker 1: there goes an asshole. Oh, they definitely are not very
Speaker 1: popular exactly, So I don't know that Humby's had that
Speaker 1: same level of of sort of asshole assignation. It's not
Speaker 1: quite a band name. What is that assignation? By the
Speaker 1: way we're talking over this is pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I do like how he improvises with the gas and
Speaker 2: the flare.
Speaker 1: That was pretty cool. I gotta say so. I think
Speaker 1: that this gets to one of the structural problems of
Speaker 1: this movie, which is like chase scene, a brief talking,
Speaker 1: chase scene, brief talking, and it's just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: the progression doesn't really feel there, you know what I mean? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, Like I almost feel like it would.
Speaker 1: Well a couple of points. I think Graham Yost was
Speaker 1: probably deliberately trying to do the exact opposite of speed
Speaker 1: in what way, well, like speed is like largely confined
Speaker 1: to the truck, and then it excuse me, to the bus,
Speaker 1: and then you know, later on they do the train thing.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to do the opposite of that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to like basically the whole you know, this
Speaker 1: whole desert expanse will be my playground. But weirdly, I
Speaker 1: think you lose something because I think if the story
Speaker 1: is more contained, it's it's more you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: more thrilling, and you know, at times it feels languid.
Speaker 1: I don't know, the pacing feels off sometimes, you know, No, I.
Speaker 2: Agree, I agree, you know, and the action is fun,
Speaker 2: but I don't know that it's memorable enough, right, which
Speaker 2: probably so as long as if the story's just going
Speaker 2: to be just okay, you at least want your set
Speaker 2: pieces to be something where you go, whoa, I haven't
Speaker 2: seen that before and you want to watch it again.
Speaker 2: I mean, think of Speed, I mean just all the
Speaker 2: crazy set pieces with that bus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, when you think about it, with Speed, right,
Speaker 1: you have a great action sequence on the elevator, great
Speaker 1: action sequence on the bus, great action sequence on the train.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's not to say I mean
Speaker 1: that movie is just fires on every cylinder, story, acting, action, whatever.
Speaker 1: But yes, yes, take all that other stuff away.
Speaker 2: The action in that movie is super memorable and unique
Speaker 2: and incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know, I I think that the stuff
Speaker 1: that John Wu tends to excel at is weirdly at
Speaker 1: cross purposes with with the general thrust of this movie,
Speaker 1: which is more you know, like like John Wu, there's
Speaker 1: there's sort of a ballletic approach to his action scenes totally,
Speaker 1: and this isn't really suited to that. Hmm hmmm, because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm just thinking of his like Hong
Speaker 1: Kong movies, right, like if we're talking about Hard Boiled
Speaker 1: for example, you know that you know that there's the
Speaker 1: stakes are you know, it's really getting into like good
Speaker 1: and evil and universal reality and stuff. You know, he's
Speaker 1: really getting into some stuff and the action scenes are
Speaker 1: are a way of tackling those themes. Yeah. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: movie is you know, it's disposable nineties you know, explosion porn,
Speaker 1: you know, and so it it almost feels like John
Speaker 1: Wo outclasses it a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because otherwise maybe change the actors, like
Speaker 2: this would have been kind of like a video store
Speaker 2: Howie Long movie.
Speaker 1: No apologies to how We Long, but you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, But I mean, well we should talk
Speaker 1: about the act that that you know, Travolta was at
Speaker 1: this moment in his career where where he was a
Speaker 1: legitimate draw.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, pulp fiction had just revived his career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so pulp Fiction is ninety four, and then
Speaker 1: after that he does Phenomenon. Now that was this year,
Speaker 1: that was ninety six. Phenomenon would have been this summer. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it was Michael, was that ninety five?
Speaker 2: I don't remember the specificity, but I remember all these
Speaker 2: like close to one another.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Phenomenon was definitely after this, okay, and then somewhere
Speaker 1: in the middle there was was get shorty yep. But
Speaker 1: it's like, it's interesting to me because for sure, during
Speaker 1: the time when when you and I were coming up,
Speaker 1: like Travolta had his down period and then he suddenly
Speaker 1: he gets his Oscar nomination from pulp fiction, Suddenly he's
Speaker 1: on top yep. And like I said, there was like
Speaker 1: there was like a six seven, generously eight year period
Speaker 1: where he wasn't above the line draw.
Speaker 2: For anyone else who's thinking it, I did hear Zach
Speaker 2: you say six seven.
Speaker 1: But yes, what's great about that what you just did
Speaker 1: is that that that like John Travolta's career listening to
Speaker 1: this like ten years Surromni and we're like, what does
Speaker 1: that mean? I don't understand what that.
Speaker 2: After the nuclear apocalypse and this is like, for some reason,
Speaker 2: the only audio people can find to listen to for
Speaker 2: some sort of you know, sense of normalcy.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, I don't understand huddled around the fire together.
Speaker 1: But he he was real big, right, yes, and then
Speaker 1: it's just like it just fell off right why? Well?
Speaker 2: So, I mean really, to be specific, like he was
Speaker 2: in the seventies right, like Welcome Back cod or Grease,
Speaker 2: Saturday Night Fever. You know, he was like on fire
Speaker 2: and then you know it, the flame was flickering a
Speaker 2: little bit and it was like the look, who's talking movies?
Speaker 2: Like Talking three and yeah, Tarantino injected life back into
Speaker 2: his career with pulp fiction. Then yeah, like you said,
Speaker 2: he's he's a draw. When did it taper again?
Speaker 1: What was that? I'm gonna say early aughts? Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I remember like General's daughter. General's daughter was like two thousand, Okay,
Speaker 1: that was when it was sort of like I don't
Speaker 1: have to see all of his movies, right, and that
Speaker 1: was Yeah, that was like two thousand and then and
Speaker 1: then I remember Basic Yes, right, which wasn't that John McTiernan.
Speaker 1: I want to say it is, Yeah, yeah, And I
Speaker 1: mean he's still he still is headlining movies, but they're
Speaker 1: all like straight to streaming type stuff. Yeah. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: didn't he have like another kind of injection at some point?
Speaker 1: Am I wrong? I'm trying to think maybe he was.
Speaker 1: You know, back in twenty nineteen, he was in a
Speaker 1: movie called The Fan, which was directed by Fred Durst.
Speaker 1: I started Devin Sawa and I'm like one of two
Speaker 1: people who gave that movie a positive review. I reviewed
Speaker 1: it for The Chronicle and I said that Travolta like
Speaker 1: he's just doing his character actor thing, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's and he was fun to watching that, you know.
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, the minority clearly.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, there was like the because I don't
Speaker 2: really remember that movie sadly if it's good.
Speaker 1: But he was doing the Gatti movie remember that for
Speaker 1: movie past? Yep? Yep, that's right. So yeah, kind of
Speaker 1: a weird like he's still he's still a capital S
Speaker 1: star in the sense that people know who he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but he can't carry a movie. I don't
Speaker 2: think you know, it's hard, right, I mean, it's you've
Speaker 2: got to find the right material that you shine in.
Speaker 1: Particularly.
Speaker 2: That can't be easy, especially when you know new people
Speaker 2: come up and then they're thinking of those people and
Speaker 2: not thinking of you as much. But you got to
Speaker 2: keep working, so then you make some things that aren't
Speaker 2: so great. You can continue to pay for your airplanes,
Speaker 2: you know. And then when we see a string of
Speaker 2: those movies that he's doing, maybe just for paychecks, then
Speaker 2: we start to think, oh, well, I guess he's not yeah,
Speaker 2: good movies anymore.
Speaker 1: It's a weird, weird professional and I should say I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, everything I've heard is that he's a really
Speaker 1: nice guy.
Speaker 2: Me too, I think I don't know that I've heard
Speaker 2: a lot of firsthand stories about him, although I did
Speaker 2: see him.
Speaker 1: At Musso and Frank once. Oh it's random, that's pretty exciting,
Speaker 1: be nice to the wait staff. I don't recall.
Speaker 2: I just remember seeing him in a booth and just
Speaker 2: like I was leaving and I was like, holy crap,
Speaker 2: that's John Trobolta.
Speaker 1: And then you sidle up next to him. I loved
Speaker 1: you and broken arrow. He moves two booths down. It's right,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, oh he did that OJU mini series
Speaker 1: remember that. Oh that's right, he was who was he?
Speaker 1: It's Shapiro, that's right. He had like the crazy eyebros.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Wow, yeah that was good. Well. Look,
Speaker 1: you can see the beginnings of his character actor arc
Speaker 1: here in this movie, right, because because when you think
Speaker 1: about it, I I you know, this kind of gets
Speaker 1: what we were saying earlier. I applaud the swing where
Speaker 1: he's like, he could play hail. It's a standard issue
Speaker 1: action hero, easy check. The movie would probably do well anyway.
Speaker 1: And so he's like, you know what, let me, let
Speaker 1: me do something a little different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, And his performance in here is one
Speaker 2: of the things like if you're going to list like
Speaker 2: three things you remember about.
Speaker 1: This movie, yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2: All right, so we're underground now. This is the thing too,
Speaker 2: which I think about sometimes in terms of like writing
Speaker 2: a story like this. It's like, all right, well, you've
Speaker 2: got these missiles. How do you staying two hours of
Speaker 2: like back and forth and feeling like there's an opportunity
Speaker 2: for our hero to get the thing back, but then
Speaker 2: he's got to have it taken away, and how do
Speaker 2: you do that for two hours.
Speaker 1: With these things, you know, So it's I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think they come up with some.
Speaker 2: Interesting ideas and locations like this mine here, right, you know,
Speaker 2: and like that's an opportunity for one of them to
Speaker 2: go off underground so it doesn't hurt anybody, and you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know's there's some some good stuff here.
Speaker 1: Well, this is this is where it. You know. Having
Speaker 1: the park ranger character is very helpful.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, which is which is good because you want
Speaker 2: her to not just be sort of like a damsel
Speaker 2: tagging along, like she's got a specific skill set that
Speaker 2: she gets. We get check Off's underground river that she
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1: That's right, look at him, he's that's the timer to
Speaker 1: be thirteen and say, look what an asshole this Deacons.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it, Brian, I don't think this
Speaker 1: Deacons is a good guy.
Speaker 2: I do love it though he puts that in and
Speaker 2: smashes the keypad.
Speaker 1: Just to a Sure, he's so nuts, but the movie, right,
Speaker 1: don't you feel like we're missing a step in terms
Speaker 1: of why he's so nuts.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's sort of like speed right where you've got Oh,
Speaker 2: well he was like bomb Unit, and then.
Speaker 1: We needed that scene exactly right, because it's like he's
Speaker 1: like I got passed over from promotion, and you know,
Speaker 1: he took things to kind of an extreme place. But
Speaker 1: if we have you know, Frank Whaley or whoever you
Speaker 1: know with the print out, oh like Deacons and this happened,
Speaker 1: and then in nineteen ninety two, you know, his wife
Speaker 1: died or what like something. You know. I totally agree.
Speaker 2: I mean, The Rock always comes up as one of
Speaker 2: the greatest villains ever because his motivations are so fascinating,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, where it's like he's the
Speaker 2: bad guy, but you also totally get what he wants
Speaker 2: and like can't really disagree. You may disagree with his actions,
Speaker 2: but you understand his motives, you know. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: agree these this is very flimsy here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's an odd choice to me, especially considering
Speaker 1: The Rock was literally like like four months away or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, but I feel like The Rock that
Speaker 2: is like the A plus version of this kind of movie, right,
Speaker 2: It really is, I mean, like top to bottom, the direction,
Speaker 2: the writing, the acting, Like it knows it's a silly
Speaker 2: action movie and it allows itself to be that, but
Speaker 2: it's also everything is like a plus. Yeah, Like the
Speaker 2: casting is a plus, the comedy, the direction, the writing.
Speaker 2: As ludicrous as it is, it's still well written. Craziness,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's but they can't all
Speaker 2: be that.
Speaker 1: See this right here, the old slow motion jumping firing thing.
Speaker 1: Tell me that's not like every kid's dream to like
Speaker 1: play that in an action movie. Oh totally. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: gun in each hand, and I love it.
Speaker 2: He just like dives forward almost like a belly flop
Speaker 2: onto the ground, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 2: I The Mission Impossible movies have been on Pluto lately,
Speaker 2: just like repeating. I watched a big Chunk of two
Speaker 2: the other day, and it is just funny, like seeing
Speaker 2: Ethan Hunt doing this stuff. Yeah, like he doesn't do
Speaker 2: that in any of the other movies, but he becomes
Speaker 2: this like, yeah, like hard boiled badass in that one,
Speaker 2: and it's just really funny and like that Nigeens or
Speaker 2: the doves or whatever.
Speaker 1: It is, the doves that are Yeah, that was my
Speaker 1: issue with that movie. I was like, this isn't Mission Impossible.
Speaker 1: This is Ethan Hunt, spy guy, you know, totally totally
Speaker 1: it lost a lot of what makes those movies work,
Speaker 1: but obviously a lot of that is in hindsight. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was a hit when it came out. I
Speaker 1: mean it was. It was the moment it was I
Speaker 1: want to say, it was like the number one or
Speaker 1: number two movie that year, Crazy Go to two thousand, Right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you ever wanted to throw a grenade? You know?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I would want to. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think there'd be a lot of pressure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I would need to watch like a good
Speaker 2: five minute YouTube video about how they work first, Like
Speaker 2: because like, wait, so how long until after I let go?
Speaker 2: If I hold you know, like so I pulled the pin,
Speaker 2: but it's it's about this little lever, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I need to understand it more.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't rattle off every the name of everyone in
Speaker 1: your company before you throw it. Yes, yes, she's not
Speaker 1: so bad once you get to see. I feel like
Speaker 1: at that moment when it comes to throwing a grenade,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, eh, and that would be the one
Speaker 1: time in my life where it was like the very
Speaker 1: worst throw of all time, right, or like.
Speaker 2: A bird would go by and it would hit it
Speaker 2: and then bounce back toward me. That probably would happen,
Speaker 2: and then I'd have the Jeff Daniels face from Speed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me that is not the best about to
Speaker 1: die acting in any movie ever. Yep, yep, yep. And
Speaker 1: I lot surprised.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know what's happening, and you probably got
Speaker 2: about a second and a half left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he like Jeff Daniels has actually talked
Speaker 1: about his process just with that that shot and how
Speaker 1: everything that went into how he played it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I love that he gave it that much thought. That's great.
Speaker 2: By the way, Speaking of John Wu tropes, we got
Speaker 2: these guys speaking to one another, but they can't see
Speaker 2: each other, you know, right right.
Speaker 1: Like in the face off? Have we done face Off? No? Well,
Speaker 1: my next year at thirtyth anniversary, Perfect, that's the time.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm kind of curious to go back.
Speaker 2: I've not watched a lot of the older John Wu movies.
Speaker 2: I'd be kind of curious to see what he was
Speaker 2: doing before Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Was like we need that. Like I've not seen Hard Boiled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen Hard but I feel like I've seen some
Speaker 1: of his other movies and I can't remember now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like I definitely knew who John Wu was when
Speaker 1: this came out. Me too. It was like a selling point.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. So I'm like, were we just like huge nerds? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: I mean I was talking about knowing tracks from My
Speaker 2: Blue Heaven in the movie good point too.
Speaker 1: So I was a killer The Killer, by the way,
Speaker 1: that's the movie I was thinking of The Killer. Yeah again,
Speaker 1: I know the title, I know what it is, but
Speaker 1: I'm also with Chi Fat. Yeah, so those two I've seen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is great. I think it would have worked better
Speaker 1: with that track from My Blue Heaven. Yes, yeah, that
Speaker 1: would have made the difference.
Speaker 2: You maybe snort twice. I wonder what was that poll?
Speaker 2: The gambling thing?
Speaker 1: What's that called? Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people can do over under and how many times I'm
Speaker 1: gonna snort? But here we go.
Speaker 2: So we got we got one bomb down there, and
Speaker 2: then we got them getting away with another one, so
Speaker 2: we got another chase.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 2: It's good management, right story wise of our mcguffins.
Speaker 1: You know what John Wood did recently I totally forgot
Speaker 1: about and I thought it was okay wash that movie
Speaker 1: with Joel Kinneman. This is is ringing a bell Silent night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was John wu huh. Yeah, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: You saw it. I did see it, Okay, I mean
Speaker 1: it didn't it's not gonna change your life, but I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, that was good decent action. Yeah. I got
Speaker 1: a sequence when the when the when the bomb goes off.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty well executed.
Speaker 2: Dude, you literally literally took it out of my mouth. Yep,
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, And uh, I don't know how
Speaker 2: they did it. I don't know what the visual effects
Speaker 2: work is here, but it looks amazing.
Speaker 1: We'll see this like like right here, right here, right here, gunting,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Yeah, and Travolta grabs that thing
Speaker 1: and it was like flashlight or something and it just
Speaker 1: whacks him in the in the trachyc a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's not good. No, it's very brutal. I remember that.
Speaker 1: What do you call it?
Speaker 2: Like a crash zoom? I think, yeah, smash zoom, smash zoom.
Speaker 2: I remember that stood out to me the other night too,
Speaker 2: where I was just like.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, because he keeps doing it like I think
Speaker 1: you get to do it one time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Actually I would appreciate it if they kept
Speaker 2: doing it, but from like different angles.
Speaker 1: See right here, when they're in those tunnels. Thought it'd
Speaker 1: be funny if they're going in the opposite direction of
Speaker 1: the goonies. You see them going the other way. I
Speaker 1: don't acknowledge each other. That would be hilarious. Is there
Speaker 1: the pirate shit? Dude? Can I kill the mood and
Speaker 1: say a joke that I wrote down? Now?
Speaker 2: You have to so I think it already happened. I
Speaker 2: guess I missed it this time. But when they were
Speaker 2: driving and they throw the one guy out of the
Speaker 2: car and then they run over him, they say, I
Speaker 2: think his name is Steve. And then just in my head,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, there's got to be like a
Speaker 2: funny line about this or something. And I was like,
Speaker 2: he's like a speed bump, Steve bumps, Steve bump. There
Speaker 2: you go, I think we just hit a Steve bump. Well,
Speaker 2: after after hearing that joke, I want to do to
Speaker 2: you what just did to Bob Gunton there?
Speaker 1: Hey, Like I didn't write a lot of things down
Speaker 1: for this one. I gotta say everything. The Steve bump.
Speaker 1: I like it, Nada it's not that great. I did
Speaker 1: also note that somewhere someone.
Speaker 2: Says YadA YadA, YadA, which of course Seinfeld didn't invent that,
Speaker 2: but they definitely made a popular and so I was
Speaker 2: curious when that episode aired, and it was a year
Speaker 2: after this, Okay, so it wasn't like they were getting
Speaker 2: that from the popularity of Seinfeld at this point in
Speaker 2: this movie.
Speaker 1: Oh gotcha. Yeah, I mean I had heard YadA YadA, no.
Speaker 2: For sure, but I feel like then after that episode,
Speaker 2: that was where a lot of people and then it
Speaker 2: just entered the common vernacular. Yeah, or maybe that's when
Speaker 2: people started saying, like, so, by the way, that YadA,
Speaker 2: that thing.
Speaker 1: With the cigarett, that's what that's what was bugging you.
Speaker 2: This is one of the least uh big sort of
Speaker 2: clenching it with his fingers, but like the one in
Speaker 2: the locker room is the biggest one.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just funny to me. I don't know,
Speaker 1: see this here where he's like, I've never killed somebody
Speaker 1: in person. I don't know right there, Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: And now it's bugging me too. That is odd. It's
Speaker 1: a choice. It's fine. Sorry, you're san No. That thing
Speaker 1: about about like, oh, I never killed somebody and it's
Speaker 1: not that big. Stopped doing this smash the.
Speaker 2: Deer, the deer come on, that's great. That almost feels
Speaker 2: like a naked gun joke or something.
Speaker 1: No, but this whole this whole sequence here, and the
Speaker 1: way we see the the the blast wave spread out, yeah,
Speaker 1: very well executed, very good.
Speaker 2: Actually, do you see he did like a really funky
Speaker 2: thing there with the like the lens or something, and
Speaker 2: that was really effective, Like it made it look like
Speaker 2: everything's warping.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. And this, Yeah, that that crater looks great.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they did it, but it looks
Speaker 1: really good. See, whenever I see scenes like this where
Speaker 1: they're all like shaking and stuff, I'm always like, what
Speaker 1: is it like on set when they're doing that, because
Speaker 1: presumably the set is not on a gimbal. They're just
Speaker 1: told to like like shake around, yep, yep. They just
Speaker 1: feel weird doing silly Do this ripple that's happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's great.
Speaker 2: Know how they did that makes me think of the
Speaker 2: Dark Knight Rises with the football field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's got to be some kind of digital work.
Speaker 1: I would think it looks really I mean, especially for
Speaker 1: ninety six looks amazing. See, well that's kind of that
Speaker 1: gets what we were talking about before about how how
Speaker 1: god damn what a rush. He's a bad guy, Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he loves it. Killing is not a big deal to him.
Speaker 1: That's what he said. You know, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: feel like anybody who would say that not a good guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's got a corpse next to that. I
Speaker 1: know it's just with his head back. Yeah no, but
Speaker 1: but you know, this movie came out at a time
Speaker 1: where digital effects were a thing, but they were uh
Speaker 1: not everything, so they had to be used judiciously. So
Speaker 1: I don't know that the last wave was was done digitally,
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be surprised me it could have been
Speaker 1: even a little combination of practical and Yeah. Yeah, so disturbing,
Speaker 1: that really is.
Speaker 2: Oh there's always something very disturbing too about like a
Speaker 2: bad guy talking to a corpse. Yeah, it's like the Joker,
Speaker 2: the Joker. Yeah, Like it's really upsetting, and it works
Speaker 2: really great for the Joker because he's you know how
Speaker 2: dark he is. And then I remember in Fast ten,
Speaker 2: I remember Jason MOA's got that guy.
Speaker 1: Oh and he's like doing his nails or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got him like propped up in a lawn
Speaker 2: chair next to him, and I think, yes, his nails,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's like upsetting, but there's also something
Speaker 2: kind of like interesting about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, in fairness, Rotelli was a vicious bastard. I'm
Speaker 1: glad he's dead. Hey, we're good. Butterflies Zachi so okay.
Speaker 1: So so I now I don't I don't know. I
Speaker 1: haven't done research, but I'm like, is this is that
Speaker 1: actually a thing that, oh, if there was a nuclear
Speaker 1: blast then butterflies wouldn't be there? Is that the movie
Speaker 1: just making something up? I don't know. I don't because
Speaker 1: that's what I was wondering about. I feel like I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people might have like made
Speaker 1: their lives revolve around that truism that is true, I
Speaker 1: remember sort of.
Speaker 2: I think it's become kind of famous. In Back Begins,
Speaker 2: I was gonna bring this up.
Speaker 1: We are like completely yeah, right, in the same way,
Speaker 1: Well do you want to go ahead? No? Go ahead?
Speaker 2: So basically, at the beginning of Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne
Speaker 2: is training with rozagh Ghoul on a frozen lake, and
Speaker 2: Ghoul trying to teach Wayne about a lesson about minding
Speaker 2: his surroundings. He takes his sword taps the ice beneath
Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne's feet, and Wayne falls through the ice into
Speaker 2: the icy water below. Then we cut to them around
Speaker 2: a campfire and Wayne is trying to warm himself because
Speaker 2: he's freezing, and Rasaghul gives the advice put your hands
Speaker 2: underneath your armpits.
Speaker 1: It'll it'll warm you faster. And someone asked, Nolan, oh
Speaker 1: is that true? Where did you hear that?
Speaker 2: And Nolan's like, oh no, no, no, no, I just
Speaker 2: I just made that up. It just it just sounded good,
Speaker 2: didn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know?
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I just imagine what if there was
Speaker 2: someone in the Arctic who was actually freezing and trying
Speaker 2: to figure out how to warm themselves and save their lives,
Speaker 2: and they were like, wait a minute, I remember this
Speaker 2: moment from Batman begins, I just need to put my
Speaker 2: hands under my armpits and it'll save my life.
Speaker 1: He says, like, mind your chest, your arms will take
Speaker 1: care of themselves. Yes, something like that. Yeah, yeah, the butterflies.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I'm wondering. I feel like somebody
Speaker 1: may have situated their life around that, and it's just yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, but it might just be a
Speaker 1: damn dirty lie. I'm looking.
Speaker 2: Uh, they're sensitive to radiation, what isn't uh Now, I'm
Speaker 2: not seeing anything very specific here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I look at that. Yeah, you liar, yost. So
Speaker 1: Samantha mathis worth mentioning. She is the daughter of Babie
Speaker 1: Bish who is uh Captain Kirk's love interest in Wrath
Speaker 1: of Khan Carol Marcus. Interesting, and she's also in Tremors.
Speaker 1: You know, the older couple that dies in the car.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, interesting, I did Okay, Yeah, I believe she
Speaker 1: passed away before this movie came out. Okay, she died
Speaker 1: of cancer. I think. Yeah, that moment, by the way,
Speaker 1: I really like that.
Speaker 2: That weird thing where Travolta feels like he's kind of
Speaker 2: sensing something and he looks up in the to the
Speaker 2: shrubs or whatever. I almost feel like they could have
Speaker 2: made even more of a meal out of that.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, I like it. See, I feel like
Speaker 1: there's one too many action scenes.
Speaker 2: Mmm, like maybe we should be like getting into the
Speaker 2: end here, we should be on the train by now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that, you know, yeah, yeah, yep,
Speaker 2: because this movie is just under two hours ish, right,
Speaker 2: I think it's an hour forty eight, and I think
Speaker 2: if it was an hour thirty eight it would be
Speaker 2: tighter complete. Yeah yeah, I just you were saying languid earlier.
Speaker 1: I really do. Yeah, I think it would give the
Speaker 1: movie more snap. That actor, by the way, on the right,
Speaker 1: the computer nerd, that's Sean Tube from Iron Man. He
Speaker 1: is oh doctor Dansid. Wow, I see it now. Yeah, huh,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Man, this movie is chocolate block
Speaker 1: full of Hey that guys, Yeah, it really is. Gotta say,
Speaker 1: those aviator glasses look pretty sharp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of funny too, like the eras of sunglasses,
Speaker 2: Like you think the aviators from the top gun thing
Speaker 2: and then well I think of Mission Impossible and Tom
Speaker 2: Cruise and will sort of like wrap around forty Oakley
Speaker 2: kind of things. That's the second one, the second one, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess it's whatever deal they make with whatever some
Speaker 2: less company.
Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like aviators are timeless. Oh totally, yeah,
Speaker 1: like ray bands and things like that. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: kind of cool.
Speaker 2: By the way, I love this the camera traveling over
Speaker 2: the desk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a nice way of adding visual interest to
Speaker 1: kind of a boilerplate scene. Yeah. Well, by the way,
Speaker 1: I wanted to call out.
Speaker 2: I just love that he like had this edited together.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know if everybody had Adobe Premiere back then,
Speaker 2: but it's like for his like ransom video that he
Speaker 2: sends to Washington, he cut it.
Speaker 1: Linear deck to deck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. And if you don't pay, then you're
Speaker 2: gonna have this. And you just see all these like
Speaker 2: clips from a bunch of movies.
Speaker 1: I was a train entering a tunnel, rock ship tailor.
Speaker 1: It's like the metaphor is all wrong. He's like, sorry,
Speaker 1: that was for that was something else. Yeah, that was different.
Speaker 2: And then it comes back from that. He's like, so anyway,
Speaker 2: miss you, Jenny, see you at the cabin.
Speaker 1: He was getting He's knocking.
Speaker 2: Out a lot of video messages that day, all at once.
Speaker 1: He had one he had an afternoon to kill, so
Speaker 1: he got them all out at once. Yeah. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: you were saying I think I interrupted you.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, well you were saying, you know that
Speaker 2: you really liked the guitar, the twingy guitar theme you
Speaker 2: know here, and I saw that Zimmer recruited Dwayne Eddie.
Speaker 1: Specifically to do that. And he's the guy who did
Speaker 1: the Peter.
Speaker 2: Gunn you know, Dundun Dun Dun dun dune, very similar,
Speaker 2: very similar sounding rebel rouser. He does that deep twingy
Speaker 2: guitar thing and got him specifically to do that.
Speaker 1: So he does. That's Dwayne Eddie in this and in
Speaker 1: Scream too, so fascinating. Yeah, you know, and oh yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, oh just real quick. And in that vein,
Speaker 1: I think it tells you something that that Deakins gets
Speaker 1: his own theme and Haile doesn't get doesn't get anything. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I do like Christian Slater in this because I like
Speaker 2: Christian Slater, But I do wonder if there was someone
Speaker 2: who had a little bit more of a a trait
Speaker 2: or something might have made that character pop a little
Speaker 2: bit more.
Speaker 1: Well. I was thinking about that, you know, like, who
Speaker 1: was who was somebody during this era who would have
Speaker 1: played this role, Who could who could have you know,
Speaker 1: held the screen opposite Travolta versus just getting sort of
Speaker 1: blown off of it. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, Cage is not right, you just think, like
Speaker 2: if you plug Nicholas Cage into this, you just don't
Speaker 2: think immediate get something.
Speaker 1: Sure, you know what I mean. But remember Nicholas Cage's
Speaker 1: first action move is the Rock.
Speaker 2: So no, no, no, I'm just but I just as
Speaker 2: an example where it's like the Rock. If you have
Speaker 2: Christian Slater in that role, it's a little different versus
Speaker 2: having Nicholas Cage when he's in that prison cell and
Speaker 2: like you know.
Speaker 1: The name's Butthole, you know, like it just makes it
Speaker 1: really interesting and there's a lot more color. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't know who else I would put here.
Speaker 1: Frank Whaley, John Cusack Zacky. Yeah, maybe that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe that's yeah. Yeah. See now I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 1: right there is like the last we see of Frank Whaley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he should tie in a little bit this scene. You know,
Speaker 1: it's basically he disappears after this, yeah, or maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, I saw that this was originally two hours plus, okay,
Speaker 2: and uh more character stuff and more violence parents okay,
Speaker 2: and WU.
Speaker 1: Had to trim it, So I mean, I'll take the
Speaker 1: character stuff over the violence.
Speaker 2: Actually me too, Well, I think I read that about
Speaker 2: it's hard target, right you said the vandam Huh. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of MPa A problems that WU
Speaker 2: tends to run into with the graphic violence. But no,
Speaker 2: I agree, I wouldn't mind a little bit more character stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rope of dope. It's pretty good there, Christ
Speaker 1: ali Foreman heard of it. I mean at at the
Speaker 1: when he first blew up, you know, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of like young Jack Nicholson comparisons, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, it bums me out a little bit
Speaker 1: that he I don't know that he ever really reached
Speaker 1: his potential in terms of that, you know, yeah, because
Speaker 1: he is, he's a likable uh actor.
Speaker 2: I like, I like seeing him, but uh, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I still think he's He's aging well, and
Speaker 2: I think he could still even as he gets older,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, Uh there's there could be like some
Speaker 2: big plum you know, best supporting actor role waiting for him,
Speaker 2: like ten years from now.
Speaker 1: Well, as it happens, I have this script ready to
Speaker 1: go called Empty Quiver, which I think he'd be perfect for.
Speaker 1: Right as sperm number four.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's like he's got to get out before yeah,
Speaker 2: every everythingyone else is removed.
Speaker 1: I guess we got to get out of here. You
Speaker 1: just see him in like a like a big you know,
Speaker 1: like a plush costume. You know, right, it's a big take.
Speaker 2: So it's actually people on two feet running in like
Speaker 2: fluffy foam foam sperm costumes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Disney characters. Okay, but it'll but it'll be
Speaker 1: like an Osmosis Jones type thing.
Speaker 2: Totally totally empty quiver. No, it's an empty quivers scenario.
Speaker 1: What what does that mean? English professor man Tony Stark
Speaker 1: would be so disappointed in this guy right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, telling you, I love that that he has to
Speaker 2: even like say that. I bet you thought I was
Speaker 2: a computer nerd.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a nerd. Then boom hammer to the head.
Speaker 1: That'll do it. That'll do it. Yeah. The whole the
Speaker 1: whole third act of this movie was just repeatedly me saying, up,
Speaker 1: that'll do it. I was watching this with my second kid.
Speaker 2: You know what, though, again was great, but like that moment,
Speaker 2: think of the moment I keep going to the rock
Speaker 2: and I don't mean to, but the whole the guy
Speaker 2: with the knife, you know, you're the rocket man, like
Speaker 2: I don't listen to that, like, and then the way
Speaker 2: that the camera's kind of spinning around with them, and
Speaker 2: just how there's a real tension to that stand the
Speaker 2: duel or whatever.
Speaker 1: That was just like what do you think I'm a nerd?
Speaker 1: Like anything? And throws a hammer in his head and
Speaker 1: he falls over. You know, she should have said something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: She should have like, you know, put a button on it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she could have been like, no, I didn't think you're
Speaker 2: a nerd. You kind of handsome, a total knockout, like yeah.
Speaker 1: See there you go. That's good. Yeah, see, you gotta
Speaker 1: be you gotta punch up, you gotta be like the
Speaker 1: Bruceville Lanche of action movie.
Speaker 2: Bruce I mean, Joss Whedon now is a little no
Speaker 2: no no. In this era, he would be the guy
Speaker 2: I love Bruceville. Hey, you and I stood next to
Speaker 2: him that one night at the Oh that's right, I remember,
Speaker 2: I was like kind of like holy crabs, Flanche. And
Speaker 2: we also stand next to the girl played Megan. Remember that,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Like in that same moment, like we
Speaker 2: were next to the girl played Meghan and Brucell Lanch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Megan Bruce Lanche and you and me. Yeah, sounds
Speaker 1: like the cast of a great CW reality show and
Speaker 1: you and me that's yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're back on the train. We're back on
Speaker 2: the train, back talking about Broken Arrow.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: When does he do the He's like kind of see,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like weird and creepy and whatever.
Speaker 2: He's like with the gun and it's all kind of
Speaker 2: creepy sensual or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. That's yeah, like add some sort of
Speaker 1: flavor to.
Speaker 2: Her standoff with the guy, you know, when she gets
Speaker 2: her big moment she gets to take a guy out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I well, I think that that guy needed
Speaker 1: to be more of a more of a threat. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you need to stretch that moment out a
Speaker 1: little longer, you know.
Speaker 2: But I think it goes to what you said way
Speaker 2: earlier about the languid thing, Like, I don't think it
Speaker 2: would if these same moments had a little bit more
Speaker 2: character to them or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey it's it's Tucco dude. Yes, I just noticed that.
Speaker 2: I had to look him up because I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: that guy looks so familiar.
Speaker 1: Yep. From Breaking Bad By there Yeah, I do love though.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you see a movie and it's always
Speaker 2: so frustrating where someone is like threatened and that guy
Speaker 2: wants him to do something and then the bad guy
Speaker 2: kills them anyway.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I love that she is just like, no, like, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna do it because you just kill me anyway.
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm not gonna be the one that hit enter.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought that was like a cool heroic moment
Speaker 1: for her. You know, I kind of wish Samantha Manthis
Speaker 1: had more of a career. Yeah, I like, she's another
Speaker 1: she never stopped working, and I know she had some
Speaker 1: kind of a uh, you know, high level role in
Speaker 1: sag or something. But you know, I feel like she
Speaker 1: she kind of she she was somewhat of a rising
Speaker 1: star in the early to mid nineties, and then I
Speaker 1: see fifteen episodes of Billions, so that would be that's
Speaker 1: pretty big on That's right, And I forgot about that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh and she was in a fern Gully with
Speaker 2: Christian Slater No, how funny?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Was he the guy? Was he the main guy?
Speaker 1: Maybe she'sn't lost. Yeah, Now now look at this, the
Speaker 1: fact that you got this helicopter and they're like hiding
Speaker 1: behind the slats, dude, of this train. Yes, wooden slats
Speaker 1: of it. Now I'm no military expert, but I don't
Speaker 1: think those would be bulletproof, I know, not the best
Speaker 1: hiding spar You know what I would love right here
Speaker 1: is if Howie Long was like, screw this, I got
Speaker 1: a football career to think about, and he jumped off
Speaker 1: the train and you're like, wait, he's Howie Long. That
Speaker 1: would be funny and inter bold his characters like athletes.
Speaker 1: Then then just start shooting his gun again. Why not?
Speaker 1: This is a pretty cool move. I mean, look at that.
Speaker 1: That's like a real stunt, Like I jumped out of
Speaker 1: a helicopter on it, and I actually actually doing something
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. That's where I love going back to
Speaker 1: this stuff. You don't get this anymore. See. I feel
Speaker 1: like if this train was moving a little faster, it
Speaker 1: would this whole sequence would feel more intense.
Speaker 2: You know what the problem is, there's nothing to convey
Speaker 2: speed in the background. It's all flat landscape, like we
Speaker 2: need like trees or or something whipping past. But I mean,
Speaker 2: just you can see like how fast the train is going.
Speaker 2: It does for sure, I mean it does look very
Speaker 2: that looks yeah, like ten miles an hour or something.
Speaker 1: It's going like yeah, that's what I'm saying, like like
Speaker 1: twenty maybe that's what I'm saying, like fake it, like
Speaker 1: have things whipping past so it at least feels faster, Right,
Speaker 1: That's that's I think. There's a weird, a weird lack
Speaker 1: of propulsion in a scene that really calls for it.
Speaker 1: You know, you're so right, Yeah, there's really.
Speaker 2: Like you think of speed, you know, and when he's
Speaker 2: under the bus and you really get a sense of
Speaker 2: that thing's going fast and we don't want him going
Speaker 2: under the wheels. But yeah, you don't get that here.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm thinking of just a few months ago,
Speaker 1: you and I watched The Zoro the Legend of Zorro,
Speaker 1: and the climax of that movie is set on a train. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you get the sense that that's that train is moving. Yep.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh man, that movie's so good. Which one
Speaker 1: Mask of Zorro or Legend of Zorros so funny?
Speaker 2: I screw them up because the titles are so like interchangeable,
Speaker 2: yeah whatever, I mean, They're both have their charms, but
Speaker 2: like the first one, especially first one one is like,
Speaker 2: is past Martin campbell Man excellent action director. I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: so there's something sexual with the gun, right, I'm not
Speaker 2: the only one reading that.
Speaker 1: Wait what happened again? Just here, I like fires the
Speaker 1: gun between her legs and she's like and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my first time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not just me. I'm not being a weird, skeevy pervert,
Speaker 1: not at all.
Speaker 2: Actually, when I was reading about the movie today and
Speaker 2: they were talking about the parallels of him intravolted killing
Speaker 2: for the first time, and he's like, for the first time. Actually,
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that last night when I
Speaker 2: watched it. I was thinking, like, yeah, pulling a gun
Speaker 2: off of like a sexy woman and shooting between her legs.
Speaker 1: He was like, my first time. I took it more
Speaker 1: like sexual. Okay, good, So then we're both skeezy purposes.
Speaker 1: See so that's right here where Delroy Lindo gets killed there,
Speaker 1: Like that should have been a bigger thing. The moments
Speaker 1: that really seems like the theme of this doesn't it weird? Right?
Speaker 2: Like a lot of good ideas and some interesting shots occasionally,
Speaker 2: but this entire movie could use a little plussing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when he I had to rewind it. I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, did he just die? Right? Did they
Speaker 1: kill freshly minted Academy Award nominee Delroy Lindo?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said in nineteen ninety six, and everyone was
Speaker 2: like what.
Speaker 1: Nothing? Ouch? Oh, this is good. I like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, under the train wheels, that's good. I don't feel
Speaker 2: like I've seen that before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for at least one of these shots, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's actually Christian Bale at Christopher Slady. Yeah. Uh not
Speaker 1: Christian Bale, Christian Slater. Uh, dangling under the train. Damn.
Speaker 1: That's like freaking dangerous.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: That'd be a hard pass from me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean even if you're the stunt guy, it's like
Speaker 2: I just if one thing goes wrong, yeah, you're going
Speaker 2: under that wheel.
Speaker 1: Unless you're an insane crazy person like Tom Cruise. That's true,
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, he'd be like, put me closer to
Speaker 1: the wheel, right Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, it's I can't get it out of my head now, Zachi,
Speaker 2: You're right about the speed.
Speaker 1: The lack of speed. Yeah, it's like super distracting. It
Speaker 1: was bugging the crap out of me when I was
Speaker 1: watching yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hmm, you know, it's funny. I wasn't thinking about
Speaker 2: it specifically, but I was not fully engaged as I
Speaker 2: was watching.
Speaker 1: And so it's interesting, you know. Yeah, I think like that,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good guy flying off with that explosion. That's amazing. Anyway. Yeah, sorry, Uh, music,
Speaker 1: there's like a lack of music during this whole sequence.
Speaker 1: M Oh actually I don't remember that. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: like lack of propulsive you know, like yeah, like I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of the Elfman music at the end of Mission Impossible,
Speaker 1: the first one, oh Man, Yeah, right, and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it really kind of gets you, gets you
Speaker 1: wound up. Well, I can't stop.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because I'm like, but I think of
Speaker 2: Wu as this like really kinetic action director.
Speaker 1: But something about this one is just not well. I
Speaker 1: think that he he still had to sort of play
Speaker 1: in the studio box, the mainstream box, right. I think
Speaker 1: that the success of this movie bought him Face Off,
Speaker 1: which is much truer to his ethos, you know.
Speaker 2: But it's funny because he hasn't what I exactly what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about is I'm thinking of the kineticism of
Speaker 2: Face Off and that's maybe him.
Speaker 1: Unleashed, right, you know, yeah, good point. I mean, shoot,
Speaker 1: I remember Face Off, just the trailer. I loved watching
Speaker 1: that trailer again and again, you know, back when it
Speaker 1: was like hard to watch trailers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but no, I'm thinking, I can't help but
Speaker 2: think of speed and just I don't know, like there's
Speaker 2: a little bounce in the camera, just because you know,
Speaker 2: like everything's like slightly out of control, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just a real sizzle to it all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not happening here. Yeah, I mean my understanding
Speaker 1: is is that, you know, the final movie was not
Speaker 1: something that John MoU was entirely happy with. Interesting just
Speaker 1: in terms of the usual you know back and forth
Speaker 1: that happens with studios. But again, you know, at during
Speaker 1: that era, you know you could have a mid hear
Speaker 1: action movie performed pretty well. Mm hmm. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: room in the marketplace for that. Like I remember this
Speaker 1: movie coming out and like talking about it with kids
Speaker 1: at my you know, the cafeteria table, you know. Really yeah, yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to see Broken Arrow this weekend. You know,
Speaker 1: like I assume I saw this set of Sleepover at
Speaker 1: some point. I don't remember seeing it in the theater.
Speaker 1: I didn't I sleep.
Speaker 2: Over now, it would be too late, I don't know,
Speaker 2: watching with friends in a basement or something.
Speaker 1: That's yeah my memory. Yeah, it was definitely a rental
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was really into this stuff at that time,
Speaker 2: Like I was enjoying all these like Michael Bay movies, and.
Speaker 1: Well at the time, we'd only had the one Michael
Speaker 1: Bay movie, like Bad Boys. Yeah, Bad Boys was the
Speaker 1: year before this. Yeah, I guess I nineties action speed.
Speaker 1: Look at this. Oh, he has the best death scream.
Speaker 1: He's like like, oh, like the whole way down. I
Speaker 1: don't remember that. I'm gonna say he's dead, Brian, I
Speaker 1: think how we long might be dead in this.
Speaker 2: They should have had a shark come up for good
Speaker 2: measure out of the water together. That was a pretty
Speaker 2: amazing stunt though. That guy jumping on it was crazy.
Speaker 1: That was a real guy falling. I mean that's nuts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's nuts. I do love the the We'll see in
Speaker 1: a second, the Travolta puppet that gets hit with the rocket.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's amazingly awful. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's always kind of disturbing though when you see that
Speaker 2: kind of I'm trying to think of something else that
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of, But like I mean, like True Lies
Speaker 2: is sort of like it where the guy is attached
Speaker 2: to the rocket and you just need his body attached
Speaker 2: to this thing that's about to blow up, or it
Speaker 2: reminds me I'm having a hard time explaining exactly what
Speaker 2: this is. But like you see the guy like the
Speaker 2: rocket in True Lies, and we see his face and
Speaker 2: he's dangling and he's zooming toward camera. And I'm also
Speaker 2: thinking of Last Crusade with the Nazi guy in the
Speaker 2: tank and the tank goes over the edge of his
Speaker 2: face flying toward camera.
Speaker 1: Now, you know, a perfect example is Timothy Dalton in Rocketeer. Yes,
Speaker 1: that too, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then in this one, sort of like the
Speaker 2: rocket hitting him, but we're kind of close on him
Speaker 2: and seeing this violence happening, like up close to him,
Speaker 2: Like there's something like really cool and strangely satisfying seeing
Speaker 2: that happen to a villain. But it's also like upsetting, right,
Speaker 2: like successfully upsetting you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you understand exactly what I'm saying. That
Speaker 2: was the perfect example the Timothy Dalton.
Speaker 1: Successfully upsetting. That sounds like a like a rom com
Speaker 1: in the late nineties starring Christian Bale. Weirdly enough, Christian Slater,
Speaker 1: damn it right, successfully upsetting, It doesn't It sounds like
Speaker 1: something I just realized as this fight sequence is happening.
Speaker 1: I was about to be like, what could that be about, Zachie.
Speaker 1: It just sort of like just talk about this is
Speaker 1: they're beating the shit out of you.
Speaker 2: Oh, I like this this business here where she detaches
Speaker 2: the train cars and then they collide back into one another.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a good idea, man. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of smash zooms in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the twenty dollars bill thing is kind of fun.
Speaker 2: That keeps going back and forth between them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, like you know, it's there's like a whimsy
Speaker 1: to that, but at some point it's like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: guys are trying, like and nobody in real life would
Speaker 1: be doing that. I think, well, I would sort of
Speaker 1: love if you Travelt.
Speaker 2: It gets you know, blasted off by the rocket and
Speaker 2: then Slater's like, hey, he spopped me at twenty, and
Speaker 2: Mathis has to like dig in. He pulls him at
Speaker 2: twenty and then he like throws it into the wind.
Speaker 1: And she's like what the hell and he hands it
Speaker 1: to him and then he hands it back. Yeah. There
Speaker 1: there the there's the bit in the so I like again,
Speaker 1: I like just going back to what we were saying earlier.
Speaker 1: I like this final fight between them as as a
Speaker 1: parallel with the one in the beginning. But again, I
Speaker 1: think if the one in the beginning was more good natured,
Speaker 1: it would make this feel more intense mm hmmm mm,
Speaker 1: because we don't like seeing them like this. We previously
Speaker 1: saw them as buddy yeah, like like a real betrayal. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, good note. But there there's that moment where
Speaker 1: like Slater has he picks up like the crowbar or something, yeah,
Speaker 1: to hit him with it, and then he drops it,
Speaker 1: and I, as I watched it, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: good because he's like a good guy. But then I
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, freaking kill him? What are
Speaker 1: you doing? I know, I know, bad decision. Like I
Speaker 1: was thinking, I was like, I get it because he's
Speaker 1: a good like that's a right there, and he's like no, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man. If I'm in that position, I
Speaker 1: use that crowbar.
Speaker 2: I know, I mean I get the boxing parallel happening here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we be in this movie five minutes earlier.
Speaker 1: So here we go. Now we're getting some good shots
Speaker 1: with the train. Yeah, there we go. See this. I
Speaker 1: like this. This is good. Yeah, definitely like giving her
Speaker 1: something to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then the other half of the train
Speaker 2: about the smash into the Yeah, it's like a perfect
Speaker 2: thing to jump away from.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, I'm like QUI because I want to watch it.
Speaker 1: That's cool, that's cool that leap is this? Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is great. Maybe think of the fugitive. Oh, here we go,
Speaker 1: here's your where's the dummy? We get his his like
Speaker 1: smiling face. I like it. And then this, oh he
Speaker 1: just like folds an half. This is the most obvious
Speaker 1: movie dummy I have ever seen. That is funny. I
Speaker 1: like it, though it's disturbing. Well, that'll do it. This
Speaker 1: is great.
Speaker 2: I would say about like all these barrels flying everywhere,
Speaker 2: Like it just looks really dangerous to have an actor
Speaker 2: right next to that.
Speaker 1: I mean he's probably not like right next to right
Speaker 1: next to you right.
Speaker 2: Like No, I'm just admiring it, Like, I just love it.
Speaker 2: It looks great. The production value. I guess and that's
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, fifty million, right, yeah, I mean it's not
Speaker 1: like they were spending a ton of money, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like that's pretty reasonable, we know. It makes me
Speaker 1: think of the movie Super eight. There's this big.
Speaker 2: Train crash, but none of it feels like it's like
Speaker 2: really happening because it's a lot of visual effects. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's a really credit where credits do. It's a
Speaker 2: really exciting sequence because it's mostly about kids trying to
Speaker 2: dodge things, but it's like the train cards.
Speaker 1: Are moving in ways that don't really make sense.
Speaker 2: But then you think of like The Fugitive where you're like, damn,
Speaker 2: you know, watching like a real train like blow up
Speaker 2: and crash like that, and it feels very dangerous, and
Speaker 2: you know this like this feels like wow, like watching
Speaker 2: a real train just smashing into itself and all that
Speaker 2: stuff flying everywhere.
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's just something about it.
Speaker 2: It just feels more dangerous and exciting to me. Yeah, wait, okay,
Speaker 2: are we going to get the romantic handshake? See back
Speaker 2: in the day, they would have just started doing it
Speaker 2: right there, back at what day. And then you said,
Speaker 2: like like like in the now like before, like in
Speaker 2: the eighties, if this is an eighties and eighties right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: just like inappropriate nudity, just the works.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It would be like like cop cars would show up
Speaker 2: to like clean up the scene, and they'd go in
Speaker 2: the back seat of a cop car and then they'd
Speaker 2: like start going at it. But then someone would be like, hey,
Speaker 2: what's he doing back there? And then like the one
Speaker 2: cop would like lean in front of the window to
Speaker 2: cover it up and exactly police business.
Speaker 1: And then a guitar would be like you need to
Speaker 1: have like a Billie Idol song or something. Yes, oh boy,
Speaker 1: broken Arrow, Broken Arrow, Broken Arrow.
Speaker 2: Is a good I don't know, but like you know,
Speaker 2: there's there's some fun nineties flare happening here, you know.
Speaker 1: I I for me, ultimately, Uh, it's fun to just
Speaker 1: go through some of these old movies with you, and
Speaker 1: you know, we can point out the stuff that works
Speaker 1: for us and some of the stuff that doesn't. I
Speaker 1: do think, you know. I mean, look, there are certain
Speaker 1: nineties action movies that have truly transcended that we're still
Speaker 1: talking about thirty years later. Yeah, you know, you've mentioned
Speaker 1: a few. There's the Fugitive and speed and the rock
Speaker 1: even you know, man, you know, I don't think Broken
Speaker 1: Arrow is in that tier or even the tier directly below.
Speaker 1: Maybe a few tiers down, sure, but you know, I
Speaker 1: think within that hour and forty eight minutes you'll get
Speaker 1: an hour and ten minutes or so of enjoyment. Sure,
Speaker 1: it's a funny way of putting it. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: hear that. But hey, those of you listening, let us
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Speaker 1: you disagree. That's cool, but let's.
Speaker 2: This is kind of a unique one. I feel like
Speaker 2: for us, we do this, Okay, I mean I just
Speaker 2: love that. It was like, well, if you got any
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Speaker 1: And that wraps up this commentary track as we talked
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