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twenty eighth, nineteen fifty one, here is the big cleft.

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Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true, only

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the names have been changed to protect the innocent you're

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a detective sergeant. You're assigned to homicide Detail. An elderly

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man reports the sudden death of his wife. He claims

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he awoke in the morning to find her dead on

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the floor of their bedroom. The cause of death is

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not a parent. Your job investigate.

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Speaker 3: Drag net, the documented drama of an actual crime. For

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the next thirty minutes, in cooperation of the Los Angeles

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Police Department, you will travel, step by a step on

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the side of the law through an actual case transcribed

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from official police files, from beginning to end, from crime

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to punishment. Dragnet is the story of your police force.

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In action.

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Speaker 4: Was Friday, November twelfth. It was cold in Los Angeles.

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We were working the day watch out of Homicide Detail.

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My partner's Ben Romero. The boss's Thad Brown, Chief of Detectives.

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My name's Friday. It was nine thirty eight am when

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I got back to the first floor of the Blackwell Hotel,

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Room seven.

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Speaker 5: Oh hi, Joe, come on, yeah, how's the old fellow

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doing you tell you anything. Hasn't talked at all. He's

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pretty broken now. The woman's dead, that's about it. How

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about the bruise on her for do you think that

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could have been it. No, it was just a slight bruise.

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I don't think that could have killed her.

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Speaker 6: They moved the body out of the room, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they just did, taking it downtown for the autopsy. Well,

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I guess we can take the old man back to

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his own room now.

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Speaker 6: Huh yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 5: He's back here in the kitchen now, fixed him a

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cup of Coffee's still feeling pretty bad, mister darnerth would

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you like to go back to your room now?

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Speaker 6: Everything's been fixed up dinner?

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Speaker 7: What happened? You can tell me what happened to Gertrude.

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Speaker 6: I'm afraid we don't know, mister Turner, not yet.

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Speaker 7: I told you about it, didn't I woke up this

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morning about eight o'clock, put marm over on the pillar.

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She wasn't there, and I got up my Charlene on

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the floor, my wife, Gertrude. I felt her arm. She

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was cold, ice cold. Somebody old to know what happened.

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll let you know, just as ay as we

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get the corner's report. Sir, would you like to go

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back to your own room?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 7: What's corner have to do with it?

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Speaker 4: Well, he's gonna have to perform an autopsy. We'll have

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the report for you tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 7: I don't want him to do that to Gertrude.

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Speaker 6: I don't want him to I'm sorry, sir, I'm afraid

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it's necessary. Yes, of this kind.

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Speaker 4: There was no doctor in attendance, nobody designed the debts ortellicate.

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Speaker 7: There's nothing I can do. Nothing to help her.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, mister Turner. Can we help you back to

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your room? Sir?

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Speaker 7: Is she still there?

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Speaker 6: No, so they've taken nobody downtown. Can I give you

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a hand there?

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Speaker 7: Thank you?

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Speaker 6: All right, I'll get the door.

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Speaker 7: Where'd mister Parkson go?

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Speaker 6: Who's that, sir?

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Speaker 7: The hotel manager, mister Parker? Oh yeah, these are his

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rooms here. I wanted to tell him, thank you for

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letting me stay down here a while.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think you'll be back in a few minutes.

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He was busy outside.

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Speaker 7: Nice of 'em. Let me use his place. I couldn't

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stay in our room, not the way it was Gertrude

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Speaker 6: It's all right now, mister Turner. Can you make the

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stairs all right?

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Speaker 7: Yes? Thank you. You're just a little tired, that's all.

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Speaker 6: I guess.

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Speaker 7: The whole thing's betten too much.

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Speaker 6: For me. Maybe you'd like to have us call your

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family doctor.

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Speaker 7: No, we don't have a family doctor. All right, after

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a spell, just hard to understand, that's all. You have

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to think about it a while. Shit, think about it.

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Speaker 6: Yes, here we are, I'll get the door.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, men, Yeah, right there on the floor. That's

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where I found her when I woke up, right there

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by the bed. Where have they taken her?

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Speaker 6: Downtown, mister Turner, to the county Morgue.

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Speaker 7: Oh, they'll let me see here, won't they.

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, they will. Do you feel up to answering

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a few questions for us? Now?

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Speaker 7: All right, I'll tell you everything I know about it.

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I don't see how it's gonna help anything.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna try to make it as brief as possible, sir. Now,

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your wife's full name is Gertrude Agnes Turner, Is that right?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: That's right, all right?

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Speaker 7: But she Gertrude sixty three? Yeah, that's it. I'm four

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years older than her a child.

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Speaker 4: Tell was your wife in good health, mister Turner, under

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a doctor's care or anything like that?

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Speaker 7: No, nothing wrong with her.

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Speaker 6: I knew of heart trouble anything like that.

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Speaker 7: No, sir, She used to have headaches overing now on

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them doctor friend of ours back home, you send pills

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for her to take. That's about all.

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Speaker 6: How was your wife feeling last night with you? All right?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 7: Just fine? When I woke up, I put my arm

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over on her pillow. She wasn't there. Then I got

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up and sorrow laying on the floor right by the

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bed Gertrude. She was ice cold. There was a little

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bruise up here on her forehead. I thought I was

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dreaming she was dead. Who were getting made a year?

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Speaker 6: You want to go on stream? You think you feel

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all right?

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Speaker 7: It's all right, Oh sir, I got a little bit

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of brandy and that covered over there. I think I

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could use some of you two officers, don't mind perfectly?

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Speaker 6: All right? Certain, I'll get a mister dinner.

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Speaker 7: We had it all figured out. Tuesday, November sixteenth. That's

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her name's day. November sixteenth. It's my wife's name's day.

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You see, Gertrude's German girl. A lot of German people

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don't celebrate their birthday. They celebrate their names day instead.

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Next Tuesday, Saint Gertrude's day.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, miss dinner.

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Speaker 7: Thank you? Either one of your officers casting Brandy certainly

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welcome to.

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Speaker 6: Do you or your wife have many friends in town,

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mister Turner.

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Speaker 7: No, No, just a few around the hotel here. Gertrude

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and I have only been in California a few months,

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come out from in Fort Wayne.

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, no relatives here.

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Speaker 7: No, sure, wife only had one relative living sister. She's

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she's back in Indiana.

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Speaker 6: Oh. How did you and your wife get along all right?

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Speaker 7: Oh? Fine, we never had any trouble. I loved her off.

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Speaker 4: Sure did your wife have any enemies that you know of, sir?

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People she didn't get along with? Somebody who might have

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wanted to hurt her?

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Speaker 7: Ooh, I can't think her anywhere.

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Speaker 5: Well, how about some of the men your wife knew

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before she married you missed Turner, any bad feelings one

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of them might have had Georgia wife.

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Speaker 7: No, sure, nothing I know of side. All her old

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friends are still back there in Indiana.

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Speaker 5: You say your marriage was working out pretty well. Your

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wife didn't have any gentleman friends that she might have

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been interested in.

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Speaker 7: Oh, sure, I know that For the truth. Richard spent

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her time at home, She didn't run around. She was

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a good wife.

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Speaker 6: Would you know if your wife had any reason at

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all to take her own wife? Maybe, Well, that's.

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Speaker 7: The last thing in the world, Gerdr to do. No

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reason for it. We had too many things to look

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forward to, lots of things. You don't stop living just

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because you passed sixty five. Yes, tell me the truth, officer.

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Don't you really know what happened to her?

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Speaker 6: No, sir, no more than you do. Afraid we'll have

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to wait for that corner's report.

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Speaker 7: I don't understand, the officer, But am I supposed to

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understand it? I went to bed last night and I

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had a wife. Yeah, today's one day off. We're going

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to take a car ride down the beach. That's the

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dress she was gonna wear hanging up there. Gertrude made

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it herself. She was gonna were today.

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Speaker 6: I'll try to take it easy, mister Turner.

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Speaker 7: I beg your pardon. She's all I had. Why should

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she have to die? She didn't have to die, did she?

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Speaker 6: I don't know, sir. Maybe she didn't have a choice.

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Speaker 4: The body of the dead woman, Missus Gertrude Agnes Turner,

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who was removed to the County Morgue for autopsy. Ben

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and I filled out the three to eleven form the

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dead body report and filed it. Handing the outcome of

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the autopsy. A couple of mister Turner's friends who lived

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upstairs from him at the Blackwhell Hotel, agreed to look

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after the old man until he got over the shock

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of his wife's sudden death seven forty five.

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Speaker 6: The next morning, I checked in for work as usual. Morning, Joe, morning,

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Well you know, not much, pretty slow. How about the

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Turner woman? No word in the autopsy?

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Speaker 5: Huh No, corner hasn't called yet, and you've got any smokes?

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I left the house in hurry this morning, forgot everything.

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Yeah right here? Oh thanks, yeah, thanks loves In morning,

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another row with a wife.

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Speaker 6: Uh surmnn.

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Speaker 5: Oh, another one of those church bazaars. She got herself

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mixed up and she's calling on me for help again.

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Speaker 6: Well yeah, what you what you do now? Remember the

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last time, don't you?

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Speaker 5: That spring bazaar had me working on decorations down the church,

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seven nights week eighteen, women running around telling you what

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to do. Yeah, it's like a mad house, Joe. This

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time is even worse. What do you mean this time?

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Speaker 6: The ladies figure they ought to have a little more production.

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Speaker 5: They want me to dress up in some kind of

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a funny costume option off pies and keys, you know,

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stove by a pat fuse mustache work.

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Speaker 6: No, you turn them down there, you won't do it

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with it?

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Speaker 5: Well, not exactly. Wife kicked up such a Rouguess I'll

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end up doing it. Got any idea, though, wouldn't be

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so bad if I had somebody to work with me?

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Speaker 6: You wouldn't like to help me out with Joe?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you, I'm gonna be a little busy, Ben,

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But if I get a chance, i'll drop out and

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see you though.

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Speaker 6: I'll get it. Yeah, homicide Friday? Oh yeah, how was

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that all right? Yeah? Okay, we'll be right over was

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doc cephalo over it? The more about miss Turner got

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the autopsy report for Yeah, they won't sign the death certificate.

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What's the trouble? A couple of things looks too suspicious form,

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they said? How'd they list? Because of that? She suffocated?

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Eight fifteen a m. We went across the street and

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talked with doctor Cephalou.

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Speaker 4: All he could tell us was that Gertrude Turner had

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suffered severe convulsions and that she had died of suffocation.

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There was a small bruise in her forehead and numerous

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other small bruises around the base of the throat, not

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enough to say that the woman had been murdered, and

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yet too much to dismiss the case as an accidental death.

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Together with Lorman and Barrett from Homicide, Ben and I

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looked up some of the friends of mister and missus Turner.

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We found two points which didn't check out with the

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story that mister Turner had told us. According to the friends,

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Turner had had some violent arguments with his wife. On

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at least one occasion he had struck her. And Secondly,

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the dead woman did have a gentleman friend in the neighborhood,

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but his conduct with her had been above question was

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strictly friendship. We decided to take it from there. We

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went back to the Blackwell Hotel and found mister Turner

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in his room. He was wrapping up some of his

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wife's personal effects and packing them in corrugated boxes. We

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told him about the corners.

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Speaker 7: I don't think I believe that Charger people just don't suffocate.

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There's gotta be a reason.

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Speaker 6: For it, Yes, sir, that's what we're looking for.

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Speaker 7: Well, don't they know can't they tell you how it

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happened that the doctors.

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Speaker 4: Well, she had severe convulsions, she suffocated, that's just all

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they could tell us.

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Speaker 7: Well, a bruise on her head, Gertrude for it, What

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did they say about that?

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Speaker 5: Well, that wasn't the cause of death, mister Turner. She

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could have gotten a bump when she fell out of bed.

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It might have been there, it might not.

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Speaker 7: I just don't understand. You think they'd be some way

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of tell 'em.

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Speaker 4: Well, we were around talking to some of your friends

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in the neighborhood this morning, friends.

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Speaker 6: Of you and your wife.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Oh, they've been real friends, officers. Every one of

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'em been up to see me, brought me meals and things. Say,

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isn't that a pretty see? Just look at them? Yes,

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real boon china, a cup in a saucer. Richard used

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to collect 'em, had o kays.

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Speaker 6: Pitty, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 4: When we were talking to you yesterday, Sarah, you told

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us that you and your wife got along pretty well,

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no arguments.

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Speaker 7: Yes, sure, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Well, now, some of your friends tell us that you

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used to argue with your wife quite a bit. Who

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told you that some of your friends here in the neighborhood.

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Is that true.

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Speaker 7: When we first got married, Gertrude and I, I guess we

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had a few spats, no different than other people getting

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used to each other, things like that.

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Speaker 5: You know, huh. Did you ever strike your wife, mister Tanner? Right, Yes,

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that routine question. Did you ever strike your wife, mister Dinner.

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Speaker 7: Yes, one of the first arguments we had. I don't

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even remember what it was about, that's how important it was.

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I well, I lost my temper. I guess I kind

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of slapped her. I felt like a no good bump.

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Never once happened again, slappin' Gertrude chard to remember right now?

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Speaker 6: Oh, we ask you the same question yesterday, sir. Couldn't

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you told us that? Then? Oh?

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry if s I guess I missed it. I well,

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I wasn't feeling too good. I think you know what

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I mean.

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Speaker 6: But you remember us asking if your wife had any

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gentleman friends.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I remember that.

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Speaker 6: Well, is it true?

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Speaker 7: Well, there's one fellow name's Clyde Warren, runs a drug

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store down the street. I guess Gertrude knew him bearing anybody,

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but he was my friend too.

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Speaker 5: Well, did you ever complain to this Clyde Warren, that

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he was spending too much time around your wife, that

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he ought to see less out.

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Speaker 7: I think I did, maybe once or twice, which was

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kind of in a fooling way. Certainly didn't mean it.

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Clyde Warren's one of my best friends.

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Speaker 6: Did you ever complain to your wife that she was

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thinking too much warm? No?

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Speaker 7: Sure, never even mentioned it. Why ask me all these things.

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Speaker 6: When your wife's dead, mister Turning? We still have and

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foind out why?

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Speaker 7: But you asked me questions like I had something to

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do with it.

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Speaker 4: You were the last one to see her alive, sir.

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You were alone with her in this room the night

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she died.

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Speaker 7: You think I killed Gertrude? Is that it? You think

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I killed my own wife.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure we didn't say anyone killed her.

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Speaker 7: Do you think I killed my own wife? You think

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I killed her?

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Speaker 6: What did you kill her? Mister?

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Speaker 7: You know I didn't kill Gertrude. You know I didn't

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do that.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, sir, It's not much else we can do, now,

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What do you mean?

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Speaker 5: Corner found a series of bruises on the body right

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around here, based on the neck. We know she died

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a suffocation that two things seemed to fit pretty well.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what you mean. I didn't see any bruises,

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not on her neck. I don't know what you mean.

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Speaker 6: Well, I have to take you downtown. Sir. You call your

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lawyer now if you like.

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Speaker 7: I don't have a lawyer. Why are you taking me

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down to?

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Speaker 6: No alternative? We're going to have to book you.

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Speaker 7: How's that?

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Speaker 6: Suspicion of murder? Ten twenty five am.

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Speaker 4: Before we booked him at the main jail, mister Turner

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asked us if we'd get off a telegram to his

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sister in law, missus Helen Raymond and Fort Wayne, Indiana,

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informing her of what had happened.

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Speaker 6: We told him we would, and we did.

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Speaker 4: We booked him in on suspicion of one to eighty

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seven PC, and then we checked back in at the office.

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We put in a call to the insurance company that

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held a policy on Missus Turner.

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, Gertrude Agnes Turner, what was that? All right?

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All right, thank you sir, goodbye? What they have to say?

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Speaker 5: Missus Turner had three different policies on her life total

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of five thousand dollars. Mister Turner's a beneficiary on all three.

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It'll do for a motive something else. Yeah, yeah, newest

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policies for one thousand dollars industrial policy.

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Speaker 6: When was it taken out three weeks ago?

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Speaker 3: You are in the scientific investigation division of a metropolitan

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police department. The rule.

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Speaker 2: You have just heard a test bullet fired from a

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thirty eight caliber revolver found on the possession of a suspect.

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Speaker 3: The test slug is removed from the ballistics box and

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compared with the slug found at the scene of the crime.

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There they are side by side. They look alike, but

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examination will prove a world of difference.

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Speaker 4: Monday, November fifteenth, ten am, the investigation went on. We

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failed to uncover any additional evidence against the suspect, mister Turner.

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We had three main points against the man. The recently

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issued insurance policy on his wife for one thousand dollars,

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the fact that he had fought with his wife and

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struck her on several occasions, and the series of bruises

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which had been discovered at the base of the dead

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woman's neck. Well, as it stood, we weren't too sure

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that the case had holed up in court. Ben was

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less Shue, or that the old man was actually responsible

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for the death of his wife. We figured if Turner

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was gilly, we might try to impress him with the

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evidence against him and attempt to get a confession. Monday,

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one pm, we went over to the main jail to

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interrogate the suspect.

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Speaker 6: If you want to step aside there, they want to

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lock that door.

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Speaker 8: Oh yes, this way, mister Turner. I'll get the last way.

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Speaker 6: Right you're here, mister Turner. Mister Turner, like to sit down?

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Speaker 7: Thank you? Why'd you come to see me? Have you

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found out something?

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Speaker 4: We've been checking a little bit further into the case,

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mister Turner. We got a few more questions for you,

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if you don't mind.

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Speaker 7: Did you send the message to my sister and missus Raymond?

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Do you want I asked you to send?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Or we took care of it the address, right, didn't you?

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Fort Wayne? Indiana?

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Speaker 6: That's right, just sent a telegram, told her all about it.

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Speaker 7: That was two days ago. She should have gotten it,

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but now I haven't heard a word from her. Are

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you sure she got the telegram? All right?

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Speaker 6: Pretty sure.

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Speaker 4: We'll check on it and we get back to the office.

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A few things we got here that you might like

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to know about, Sir. Maybe you can help clear him

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up for us.

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Speaker 7: What's that, officer?

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Speaker 6: We understand that your wife, Gertrud, had some insurance on

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herself five thousand dollars worth.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that's right. Something you want to know about it?

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Speaker 6: Well, she named you as the beneficiary in each of

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her policies.

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Speaker 7: A correct, yes, sir, Gertrude was a great believer in insurance.

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Don't hold with her too much myself. She used to

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tell me all the time, guess uh in case she

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died first, she wanted me to have a little something

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for old age, something to retire on and get a

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little ranch out in the valley.

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Speaker 5: I understand she took out a policy just lately, a

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thousand dollars about three weeks ago.

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Speaker 7: I know about it. I didn't want her to do

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it clean, waste of money. I told her payments you're

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pretty steep.

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Speaker 4: Well, sir, is there anybody who can back that up

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that you told your wife you didn't want her to.

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Speaker 6: Take out that policy.

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Speaker 7: No, I don't think so. We didn't talk about our

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business with other people.

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Speaker 6: M M, yeah, Friday, I don't know. Yeah, what is it?

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Phone calls does it's important you don't want to be

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Do you want to get it? Then okay, you.

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Speaker 9: Can take it out the desk here all I think.

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Speaker 7: I think I know what you mean the insurance. You

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think that's why I killed Gertrude, isn't it right?

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Speaker 6: Well, sir, put yourself in our place, mister Turner, What

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would you think.

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Speaker 7: You know in your heart? I didn't kill my wife?

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You know that in your heart?

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Speaker 6: Well, they don't pay us for what we believe. Turner.

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Speaker 4: It pass to get the facts, to run down evidence

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doesn't make any difference what I believe.

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Speaker 7: Would you know I didn't kill her? You know that,

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don't you?

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Speaker 6: Well, sir, I know.

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Speaker 4: We ask you if you ever argued with your wife,

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and you told us no. We found out you beat

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her up a couple of times. We asked you if

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she was friendly with any of the men in the neighborhood.

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You told us no, We found one. We asked you

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about the bruises the coroner found on her neck.

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Speaker 6: You don't know.

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Speaker 4: You can't explain him. We asked if your wife had

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been ill, if she had any sickness, to explain her

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dying the way she did, and you said no. We

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asked you about the insurance. You can't explain that either.

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Three weeks before she dies, she takes out a thousand

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dollars on her life.

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Speaker 6: She dies in the same room with you, and you

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don't know how or why. Now you tell me, mister,

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what are we supposed to believe.

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Speaker 7: Hi didn't kill her? Somebody has to believe that somebody

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I didn't kill her.

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Speaker 6: Joe, see you man?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, had phone call. It was a long distance

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Turner's sister, Missus Raymond. What she wanted calling from Fort Wayne.

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She's flying out here tonight. Seemed pretty rode.

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Speaker 6: Up about her sister. Huh. Mostly about mister Turner. She

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claims he's innocent. Seems pretty sure of it. She can

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prove that Turner didn't kill his wife, That's what she said.

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She's bringing the proof with her.

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Speaker 4: Tuesday, November sixteenth, Turner's sister in law, Missus Raymond, was

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scheduled to arrive at six p m by plane from Indiana.

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At two p m, one of the main points in

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the case against the suspect was proven false. A woman

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friend of Missus Turner, after reading of the husband's arrest

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in the paper, informed us that while Missus Turner was

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visiting her home a few days before she died. She

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complained of a severe headache. The woman's son, who was

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studying to be a chiropractor, attempted to treat missus Turner's

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headache by manipulating the muscles in her neck and shoulders.

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The woman said that Missus Turner called the next day

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and complained about receiving bruises on her neck as a

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result of her son's experimental treatment. The son came down

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to the office and signed a full statement to this effect.

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At seven p m. Mister Turner's sister in law arrived,

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whither was a doctor John Grant of Fort Wayne, Physician.

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The two of them told us their story and gave

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us all the information they had concerning the case. Ben

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and I went immediately to the main jail, picked up

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mister Turner and brought him back to the office.

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Speaker 6: His sister in law and doctor Grant waited in the

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adjoining room.

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Speaker 7: Why did you bring me here? You're gonna ask me

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more questions. I told you everything.

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Speaker 6: No, sir, no more questions.

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Speaker 7: You can't take me off the prisoner. I haven't had

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a trial he is.

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Speaker 4: No, sir, You're not going to have a trial, mister Turner,

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we're releasing it. How is that your sister in law

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is Raymond. She's in the next room with her doctor.

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We're going to take you home, Sir.

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Speaker 7: I don't think I understand, officer.

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Speaker 5: How do you mean your sister and now just got

503
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in from Fort Wayne tonight and she has her family

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doctor with her. They told us about your wife, Gertrude,

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everything we had to.

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Speaker 7: Know about Gertrude, my wife. Well, what do you mean, officer.

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Speaker 4: Well, maybe you can understand, sir. Your wife was afraid

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to let you know. She told her sister. She was

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afraid it might break up her marriage.

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Speaker 7: Afraid to tell me what.

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Speaker 6: Well, your wife suffered from epilepsy. She had it most

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of her life.

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Speaker 7: She had epilepsies, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 6: She did.

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Speaker 4: And this doctor Grant showed us that he's been sending

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your wife medicine ever since you moved out here to California.

517
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He treated her many times for the same thing before

518
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you met her. She figured it might ruin her chances

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of marrying you, so she kept it a secret.

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Speaker 7: The menace I remember that used to come through the meal.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's it counts for the headache. She had the

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night before she died. She probably had an attack during

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the night, suffocated. That's how you found her in the morning.

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Speaker 7: Well, why didn't they know the corner they examined?

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Speaker 6: He Well, sir, that's just the point.

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Speaker 4: If you die of epilepsy, there's just no way of telling,

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not even by autopsy.

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Speaker 6: Convulsions and suffocation that's the only way they can list it.

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Speaker 7: And she was a shamed she was afraid to tell me.

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, that's what she wrote to your sister in law.

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We saw the letters.

532
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Speaker 7: And I can leave now if I want to it.

533
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Is it all right?

534
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Speaker 6: We'll get your things from the property clerk first and

535
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then you can go.

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Speaker 7: Can I see Helen now, my sister in law? I'd

537
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,079
like to say alone, Yes, so you can. It's right

538
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,480
to that door. Well, thank you, changing it's all right,

539
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,359
Oh sure, yes, Just one thing i'd like to ask. Yes,

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you knew all the time, didn't you? I mean, in

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your own heart? How's that I couldn't kill Gertrude? In

542
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your own heart? You knew that, didn't you? Aren't sure?

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00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:15,559
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, I know it.

544
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,799
Speaker 7: I thought you did. I'll be right.

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Speaker 5: Back, Joe. I wouldn't worry about him. We'll call it

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a quite lie.

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Speaker 3: The story you have.

548
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,599
Speaker 2: Just heard was true, only the names were changed to

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protect the innocent.

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Speaker 3: On November sixteenth, the meeting was held in the office

551
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of Blaine Steed, Captain of Homicide. In a moment the

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00:27:49,200 --> 00:28:00,759
results of that meeting, the death of Gertrude Turner was

553
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,519
proved beyond the doubt to be due to natural causes.

554
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A nine point ten report was made which completely exonerated

555
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:17,200
the husband of the dead woman. You have just heard

556
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:21,559
Dragnet a series of authentic cases from official files. Technical

557
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:24,480
advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker,

558
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Los Angeles Police Department.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned for Carters by Next over most NBC stations.

560
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. He wanted some help, but no doubt the

561
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:47,559
best he's going to get is Joe Friday coming down

562
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:53,400
to the church event to chuckle quietly at being in

563
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,200
his outfit. This is an interesting episode and features a

564
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case where the police had reason to be suspicious and

565
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:05,240
acting appropriately, but nevertheless, the suspect was innocent. The purpose

566
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of the investigation is ultimately to get at the truth,

567
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,039
not jump at first conclusions or impressions. The only thing

568
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:16,759
that may have given a clue to what was actually

569
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:22,440
going on worthy small insurance policies. Carrying a bunch of

570
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:27,880
little insurance policies is a bit annoying, and one reason

571
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,279
to do that is if you've got health problems and

572
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:36,480
you want to avoid a big medical exam. Even back

573
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:41,160
in nineteen fifty one, these weren't particularly large policies, and

574
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,079
today's money be sixty two thousand dollars, it'd be kind

575
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,759
of weird today for someone to have sixty two thousand

576
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:53,160
dollars in insurance insurance spread across four policies.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 1: Listener comments and feedback, and there is some comments regarding

579
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the big impossible and received a note from Blaine, from

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Jim and also from David highlighting the fact that the

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events were most likely taken from a nineteen twenty eight

582
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case where a boy named Walter Cowins was missing and

583
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,599
a boy in Illinois showed up claiming to be him,

584
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but was later proven to be an impostor. In real life,

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the mother knew from the start of Christine Collins that

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this was not her son. The LAPD captain J. J.

587
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Jones thought she was a bad mother and she was

588
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embarrassing the police Department and so had her committed until

589
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the impostor admitted that he was not her son, and

590
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Missus Collins subsequently sued the LAPD and one a judgment

591
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,480
which was never paid. A farmer was found and convicted

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00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:10,880
of the crime, but even though he admitted to other murders,

593
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:17,440
he denied murdering Walter Collins, who admitted to being an accessory,

594
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recanted her confession, and Missus Collin spent the rest of

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00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:25,920
her life trying to find her son. This story was

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also the basis of the The Changeling, and while I

597
00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:34,599
think it would be really odd if there were another

598
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:39,279
case like this, it would be very weird for the

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la PDA to support web making an episode on the

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basis of that case because it was a huge news story.

601
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,960
It had been two decades, but there were still plenty

602
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,880
of people alive from the incident, including Missus Collins, so

603
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:05,359
it saves the like the risk of bringing all that

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00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,640
back up would be very, very high, which at a

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time when they were trying to improve the force's image.

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It just seems like such a weird decision, but I

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00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:20,640
do appreciate the information and everybody taking time to reach out.

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Well now it is time to go ahead and thank

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our Patreon supporter of the day, and I want to

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thank Candoras Patreon supporter since October twenty twenty one, currently

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supporting the podcast at the Detective Sergeant level of seven

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dollars and fourteen cents or more per month. Thanks so

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much for your support, Candace, And that will do it

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for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us

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be back next Thursday with another episode of Dragging That,

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But join us back here tomorrow for yours truly. Johnny,

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do all aware?

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Speaker 3: Oh what is it?

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Speaker 6: I said?

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00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 10: The greatest fishing in this man's world is right down

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00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,240
there below us.

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00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 9: Oh watch your language, brother.

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00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 10: I allowed to strap on a chute and leave you

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00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,400
to make the rest of the trip alone.

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Speaker 3: Fisherman.

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00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 9: Huh, Yeah, you aren't kidding. That one of my favorite spots, right. Hey,

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00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:16,960
what's the marry?

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00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 10: I think just a little twitch in my side my belly.

631
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:23,640
Doc said, was appendicid this last time, but he didn't

632
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,319
want to operate in this.

633
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,599
Speaker 9: Holy babe, that was a shot. Won't cliff anything I

634
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:28,880
can do?

635
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:29,759
Speaker 7: No, it's.

636
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Speaker 9: Coming now.

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00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,839
Speaker 10: I sure, hope so ah, sure, sure, just came on

638
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,920
kind of sudden. So hey, it's time to call up

639
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:41,480
lads at the mine to be ready for us.

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Speaker 9: How big is the airport up there? Eleven thousand foot?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:45,599
Speaker 7: Really?

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00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 9: Sure?

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00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,559
Speaker 10: It's the only way to get stuff in for mines

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00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:53,319
one hundred miles around speed draft two three one calling consolidated.

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00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:56,160
Go ahead, please, somebody on duty there at all times

647
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twenty four hours. Go ahead or over Fairbanks on the hour,

648
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:03,960
jolly rider Cliff.

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00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,759
Speaker 9: Over Fairbanks at fourteen dollars and roll.

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00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,359
Speaker 2: Out the carpet.

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Speaker 10: We'll sit down between fourteen forty five and fifty.

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Speaker 9: Rider Cliff will be ready for you. Yeah, and that's that.

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Listen an hour, Johnny Quick, Johnny, Johnny, take hold.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime.

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Send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot nit,

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