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twenty twenty six. Another month on its way. Can you
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Almost halfway done this year. How are you doing? I
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But we're going to get through this. As we mentioned
last week. Today we're going to be talking about the
events of April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five. But before we
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you know, two years to the day from Waco, you
have this bombing in Oklahoma City. We were blessed enough
to go there two years ago and to see it
would have been the twenty ninth anniversary. It was April nineteenth,
twenty twenty four. I was there and you could see
the pain on the family member's face was just as
fresh as it was twenty nine years prior to that.
And all the memorabilia and memories that pictures of children
and you know that has taped to all the walls
around there. It's very memorable experience. And you know, as
we always say, there's the truth, there's what they tell us,
what happened, and what we think happened, and somewhere in
the middle there is the truth. The more I've researched
it and over the last few weeks, you know, the
Kenneth Michael trying to do name and his quote unquote
suicide where even the chief medical examiner in Oklahoma City
said he was murdered. You know, he was John Doe
and he was a bigger part of the group that
was going after the government because of what happened at
Ruby Ridge and Waco. The Aryan Republican Army, They robbed
twenty banks, they derailed a train, and really who knows
what other you know, activities that weren't linked to them.
You know, they saw as an active war against a
government that look it extremely radical. You know, through those
patriotic lenses we claim we're the land of the Free
and the home of the brave. But when you take
off the patriotic lenses, and again I'm not saying we
live in an awful place, but you can't say we're
one nation under God and then say, oh, the evil
that goes on around us. What really happened, you know,
really kicking it off with Ruby Ridge and that's something
we'll revisit again here in the very near future. And
then Waco and Oklahoma City, and you had twa eight
hundred which was shot out of the sky and all
these things, and we just continue to move on to
the next thing. Right, there was another fake assassination attempt,
and it's just you know, whereas thirty years ago, it
would have been in the news for weeks, right that
they were even replaying a clip from it would have
been the very beginning was either March thirty first or
April first of nineteen eighty one, and it was the
Academy Awards, and was the day after Ronald Reagan had
been shot, and there was even talk of canceling the awards. Right,
that's when they still held reverence for, you know, the presidency.
And now they've used it to just you know, have
people tear each other apart. It's become a joke. But
the Oklahoma City bombing, these things that happened in the nineties,
we can't let them go forgotten. We can't let them
go unnoticed.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 2: To remind our fellow countrymen, our younger countrymen, about how
evil and tyrannical this government truly is, and whether it's
the left or the right, they're truly not looking out
for our best interests. And Oklahoma City is certainly one example.
Now I have precisely an hour to do this today,
so it's going to be a multi part series. On
the back end of this, I'm going to drop in
some classic audio Ted Gunderson and his infamous tell all.
I haven't played that in a while. He gets into
the Illuminati, Satanism, what went on in the White House
in the eighties, Pizzagate, before it was known as pizzagate
if you smell what I'm cooking right. But Oklahoma City,
April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, the official version is this
anti government extremist by the name of Timothy McVeigh, assisted
by Terry Nichols, detonated a makeshift bomb in a stored
rental truck parked in front of the Alfred P. Mura
Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. And the attack killed
one hundred and sixty seven people, injured six hundred and
eighty four, destroyed a third or thirty three percent of
the building. The attack also destroyed or damaged three hundred
and twenty four other buildings, and on and on and on,
and of course McVeigh, this sinisterly you know, sinisterly smart individual,
within ninety minutes of the explosion, was pulled over by
Charlie Hager, an Oklahoma Highway patrolman, for driving without a
license plate and having an illegal weapon laying on a sea.
So again, this mastermind drove off without a license plate.
Now we can kind of put out some ideas at
the beginning, speak about them and put them out at
the end. Was it the government running a test for
what was to come six years later, and he was
a federal agent, and you know, you heard the stories
of his execution. Did he really even die? There's an
FBI agent that looks exactly like him today and you
can just you can even go into Google and put
FBI agent that looks like McVeigh and you'll see the
picture side by side. But you know, here's McVeigh. We're
told who hated the government. You know, here's this army
veteran awarded a Bronze Star during the Persian Gulf War.
He was assigned guard detail to the most famous man
of that time outside of Bush, General Norman Schwartzkoff. He
was an American hero thirty five years ago. He guarded
him during the negotiations and Sefwan Iraq in ninety one.
You can't be assigned to a you know, the highest
ranking person of wartime without having serious background checks done
and serious trust. So I perceive, I believe that's when
he was. You know, the CIA and the powers that be,
they get their folks from colleges, right like the Carps
and the Gates. They scour the guy who plays mister Facebook, right,
but also the military. If you score a certain way,
you're pointed out. There's a reason that asfabtasks, it's not
just to see what your GTS score is. If you
score it in a precise way, there's something about that
that they know that you can be used and be trusted.
And that's what happened. He assumed the role of this
anti government terrorist. That's my belief, all right, And then
you know, next week we'll get into Kenneth trying to
do and more into that as well. But today I
really just wanted to focus on this article that was
written ten years ago by Roger Landry because it thinks
outside the box. And then again, we'll go for an hour,
we'll pause, we'll bring you Ted Gunderson's speech, and then
we'll come back next week for part two, and if
a part three is necessary, so be it. We'll continue
running and then we're gonna follow that up with Ruby
Ridge and we'll see where we go from there. But
you have to understand, it's just been thirty years ago
and that was really one of the biggest tragedies in history.
But again, like everything else, we just go on to
the next thing. It's nine to eleven, it's COVID, it's banks,
it's this, it's that, we have a society that's been
so conditioned right to think that only instant gratification and
returns those dopamine hits, forsaking the lessons of history to
our ultimate misfortune. You look at history from forty one
on Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin, Oklahoma City, nine
to eleven Sandy Hook, Benghazi. Right, many of us are
aware on some level that things just don't add up.
We're being spoon fed, spoon fed, pardon me, by our
own government, the people who are sworn to protect us,
our quote unquote leaders and their complicit mainstream media is
worthy of suspicion and doubt. But it doesn't fit into
our comfort bubble. That's why we can't get people to
put on those sunglasses like and they live. We got
to get in a fight and rough them up. Say,
for the love of peak, can you just put these
on for a second, because once you see, there's no
going back. But people are happy being in their comfort bubble.
So you know, people avoid, they push back, and they
just you know, submerge themselves in football and the television
and just the mainstream And this is the result of generations.
You have to understand this conditioning goes back to the
late eighteen hundreds. I mean, obviously it goes back further
than that, but the plan with starting to get technology
in place with the radio and television and being able
to broadcast that mockingbird message in unison to some extent, Yes,
the Hearst newspapers could do that, but you still had
quite a bit of independent newspapers, and there was actually
people making an effort to do journalism. Back in the day.
Journalism wasn't reading a teleprompter and you know, having your
haircombed nicely. It was hitting the phones and hitting the
streets and interviewing people and finding out the truth. My
grandfather believed that the media was the fourth unofficial arm
of the government to keep the other three in check.
Now they're just as powerful as an arm for the
government because they compare it that message in Unison. Right,
go back to the made by the CIA director forty
five years ago, William Casey, And this is the CIA director.
He said, we will know our program of disinformation has
succeeded when everything in America believe is false. So you know,
this is a pretty comprehensive look at the historical and
political happenings that surround one of the country's most catastrophic events,
and like many change altered or ended the lives of
so many people. Right, Pearl Harbor three thousand, Gulf of Tonkin,
which was a lie fifty eight thousand, nine to eleven,
three thousand, and that doesn't even count all the wars
and everything after that, and not just the Americans, but
the people in those regions. And your conditioned to believe
it's okay, they're a towel head, right, it's okay to
kill those people. They're bad. If you read the Bible
and come away with that mindset, you might want to
read it again. Today's lesson the Oklahoma City bombing and
the politics of terror. And this is part one of fifteen.
It had to be mined, said the gruff, gnarly voice
on the other end of the line. It's real simple.
You cannot bring down a building like that without cutting
charges set on the support pillars, as we saw on
nine to eleven. But this man speaking was an ex
Green Beret who saw heavy combat in Vietnam. I was
an engineer too before I changed my mos for eight
years and we did Bangalore torpedoes seafour and all that stuff.
We can, you know, take trees down with sea four
and deckcord to make it fall a certain way and
then we build it back up combat heavy, but had
military demolitions training, the kind that taught men who need
to know how to blow up hardened targets. He said
it couldn't have been done externally like that with an
AMPHO bomb without cutting charges. There was no way it
could do it. Now. I don't think there was cutting
charges for that. Do I believe that there was a
bomb inside? And was that the reason they killed Tarren Shiaki?
Did he see an unexploded ordinance in there? I think
it's something similar to that. But Bud who that's not
his real name, he didn't want to use his full
name because he was worried about his VIA benefits. And
yes they can if they deem you irresponsible, they can.
Not irresponsible, that's not the correct term. But you anti American.
Maybe I've heard stories of people losing their benefits. One
man who wasn't worried about the government reprisals was General
Benton K. Parton. He was a retired US Air Force
Brigadier General. Parton had responsibility for the design and testing
of almost every non nuclear weapon device that was used
in the Air Force, including precision guided weapons designed to
destroy harden targets like the Alfred P. Mura Building. Now
he has exhaustively researched the bombing and the results, pattern
of the damage. Now he sent a letter just a
couple weeks after the events of April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five,
and he had delivered this letter to each member of
Congress and Senate. Now Here is part of his letter.
This is a brigadier general. When I first saw the
pictures of the truck bomb's asymmetrical damage to the Federal Building,
my immediate reaction was that the pattern of damage would
have been techedchnically impossible without supplementing demolition charges at some
of the reinforcing concrete column bases. For a simplistic blast
truck bomb, which was an ANFO bomb of the size
and composition reported to be able to reach out on
the order of sixty feet and collapse a reinforced column base.
The size of column A seven is beyond credulity. And
you can find his full text anywhere on the Internet.
It's not hard to find, and it's a little too complex,
and it would get boring to rate here. But what
he's saying is a truck filled with ammonium nitrate could
not have caused the degree of damage done to the
Murrah Building, not when it was parked at least twenty
feet away without direct contact. The fall off from the
block asked would have been too great to do any
structural damage. Another man who knows a thing or two
about bombs is Samuel Cohen, inventor of the neutron bomb.
Cohen began his career on the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos,
where he was charged with studying the effects of the
atomic bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. During his forty
year career, he worked with every application of nuclear weapons
design and testing. He writes a letter to the Oklahoma
state Representative, Charlie Key. He said, it would have been
absolutely impossible and against the laws of nature for a
truck full of fertilizer and fuel oil, no matter how
much was used to bring that building down. Now, interestingly enough,
the writer truck bomb earned the name the Manlooker carsanobamb
after the cheap Italian made rule. And I'm sure I
probably said that wrong. With a defective scope, which, by
the way, that name does sound familiar, that was the
weapon allegedly used to kill JFK. District Attorney Jim Garrison
joked about the Shaw conspiracy trial that the government's nuclear
physics lab could explain how a single bullet could travel
through JFK and Governor Colony Connolly pardon me five times
while making several U turns, then land in pristine conditions
on the President's gurney. And of course, the magic bullet theory.
I'm sure you guys have seen the Seinfellow, the episode
that mocks it. But in the Oklahoma bombing case, it
appears the government is attempting to perform a similar feat
of light and magic. Same with nine to eleven, and
same with many of the things that we could go
on and on the eyes of this government. The fact
that a non directional, low velocity fertilizer bomb parked about
I think it was twenty eight feet from a modern
steel reinforced superstructure could not have caused the pattern and
degree of damage it did, being widely touted by the
government or the mainstream press. So again, the government expects
the public to believe that two disgruntled amateurs blow up
the Oklahoma City Federal Building with a homemade fertilizer bomb.
Doctor Roger Rabac doesn't believe the government. He did his
PhD in physical chemistry and served on the research faculty
at Stanford University. He goes on to reinforce General Parton's
assessment is one hundred percent correct. I don't care if
they pulled up a semi with twenty tons of ammonium nitrate,
It wouldn't do the damage we saw there. And this
gentleman who was technical director of a chemical company explained
in an interview for the New American magazine, quote the
detonition velocity. Detonation velocity pardoned me of the shockwave from
the ANFO, which again ammonium nitrate and fuel oil and
FO is on the order of thirty five hundred meters
per second. In comparison, military explosives generally have detonation velocities
that hit between seven and eight thousand plus meters per second. Now,
the most energetic single component explosive, of course, is C four,
which is about eight thousand meters per second and above.
You don't start doing big time damage to heavy structures
until you get into that minimum eight thousand met and
that's minimum. That's why the military uses that type of explosives. Now,
the government's not happy. The powers that be is not
happy about people like not your Roger Raback. They don't
want you to know that he knows what Sam Grinning knows,
a license perfessional blaster in Casper, Wyoming with over thirty
years experience and explosives. He told The New American that
the part in letter states, in very precise technical terms,
what everyone in this business knows. No truck bomb out
in the open is going to cause the type of
damage that we had in Oklahoma City. In my thirty
years of blasting using everything from one hundred percent nitrogel
to info, I have never seen anything remotely close to
supporting that theory. In an interview, Gronning said that I
set off a five thousand pound, five thousand pound pardon
me and fox charge. I was standing one thousand feet
away from it, and all it did was must my hair,
take out the mud and the creek that we were
trying to get rid of. It shattered a few leaves
off the trees around it, but it caused zero collateral damage.
Not one tree fell over and some trees were within
twenty feet of the five thousand pound a FOE bomb. Now,
of course, the FBI claims that Timothy mcveay and Terry
Nichols bought several thousand pounds of AFO the ammonium nitrate
from a farm supply store in Manhattan, Kansas, which is
what's there now right Plumb Island moved to Manhattan, Kansas.
Uh oh. Then, by the way, I got a tick yesterday.
H be careful guys, especially all you homesteaders. But they
drove to Gary State Park where they mixed a bomb.
The FBI claims that the suspects then hauled their magic
bomb a distance of over five hundred miles, where twenty
four hours later they blew up the Federal Building in
Oklahoma City. Yet, what the FBI, those bastions of truth
and justice, what they don't want you to know is
that fertilizer great ammonia nitrate isn't a very good blasting agent.
ASA publication from the Atlas Powder Companies states that quote
agriculture fertilizer prills, when made into info, had very poor
explosive characteristics. They would not detonate efficiently because of their
high intensity, lack of paros city, and heavy inert coatings
of anti setting agents. The ability of an oiled prill
to be detonated depends greatly upon the density of the prill.
Dense prills, such as agricultural grade often are not detonal,
able to be detonated at all, or if initiated, they
perform at a very low rate of detonation and may
die out in the borehole of performing no useful work. Now,
if a bomb bigger than the one they used couldn't
even knock down a tree twenty feet away, go look
at the picture of Oklahoma City that day and tell
me it makes sense. And look at again. I've cited
ARMYTMS on this podcast before. This is Army Technical Manual
or TM nine DASH nineteen ten. The grade of ammonia
nitrate used in the manufacture of binary explosives is required
to be at least ninety nine percent pure, contain not
more than one point five percent of moisture, and have
maximum a maximum ether soluble, water, insoluble acidity, sulfate and
chloride contents, et cetera numbers. So again, you have a
bomb that is not very easy to mix. Some pool
off So what Grinning is saying here is you'd have
to stir and stir and stir, just get the right
mixture for proper combustibility. And then if it isn't used immediately,
the oil settles to the bottom and it doesn't go off.
I'm going to repeat that in case you missed it.
If it isn't used immediately, the oil settles to the
bottom and the bomb doesn't go off. Now, info is
easy to make if you know how to do it,
adds Jeff He is the executive director of the International
Society of Explosives and Engineers. But it takes years of
experience to work with safely. It's almost impossible for an
amateur to properly mix the ammonium nitrate with the fuel
oil because clumps of AFO would inevitably fail to detonate.
So again, the scenario of two men mixing these huge
barrels of fertilizer and fuel oil in a public park
where you know, gym's over there grilling hot dogs and
burgers and the kids are playing soccer. Hey what you doing, mister, Oh, nothing,
just mixing fuel and fertilizer. Oh, I have a good day, right,
And it's just insulting. Such a spectacle would have been
somebody would have called somebody hikers, people picnicking, somebody fishing
playing softball. That would have drawn way too much attention.
Even Rick Cherrow, who was a former ATF guy had
twenty five years experience with explosive He said it would
have required an area twice the size of the truck
just to walk around, and he said that would have
not gone over okay, So naturally the expert who testified
for the government disagrees. Linda Jones, an explosive specialist who
surely cashed a pretty check from the government who has
studied ira bombings in Great Britain, concluded there was one
device and that was in the rear cargo compartment of
a rider truck. She added that it wouldn't be difficult
to build such a large bomb, provided they had basic
knowledge of explosives and access to the materials. It'd be
fairly simple. One person could do it on their own.
So I don't know how these people sleep at night,
obviously in satin sheets in a five thousand dollars bed,
But man, you're willing to there's people out there willing
to take a check, to lie to the public, and
while the government built its case on witness accounts of
the single rider truck, numerous witnesses uncalled to testify by
the prosecution for the trial, recall seeing not one but
two trucks. Could two trucks, one runted by McVeigh, one
known as John Doe number two. Who was it Kenneth
trying to do? I mean, who knows? Chero said, I
would buy two trucks simply for logistics, one truck full
of barrels of ammonium nitrate. And then you still have
to get the fuel into it. Because you don't want
to put the fuel in and let it settle for
a day at a time. They would have to bring
something together to mix it, and that's going to take
more than one truck. Two days prior to the Murrah
Building bombing at April seventeenth, David King, staying at the
Dreamland Motel in Junction City, Kansas, where McVeigh and John
Doe number two spent time, remembered seeing the rider truck
with a trailer attached to it. Inside the trailer was
a large object wrapped in white canvas.
Speaker 1: Quote.
Speaker 2: It was a square of shape and it came to
a point on top, said King. It was about three
or four feet high. King said later in the day
the trailer was gone, but the truck was still in
the lot. So was this witness describing some sophisticated explosive
device or was he describing something like a leelly fharm mixer.
Now that farm mixer is about four feet high with
a point at top. But what happened to the trailer?
Why did we never hear about it again? And then
two am April nineteenth, the day of the bombing, a
rider truck pulled into a Save a Trip convenience store
in King Kansas, followed by a light colored car in
a brown pickup. Assistant manager Richard Sinnett clearly recalls three men,
including McVeigh and a man resembling John Doe number two,
enter the store. Yet Sinnate who was particularly struck by
the odd contraption they were towing, this large plastic, semi
transparent tank of full clear liquid. Now was this diesel
that the bombers intended to add to their ammonium nitrate
at the last minute. Despite amountain of evidence against the
government's ANFO theory, the government has gone two great lengths
to convince the jury and the public that the Murror
Building was destroyed by a single ANPHO bomb delivered by
a pair of disgruntled right wing extremists. In fact, the
ATF televised a demonstration of an ANFO truck bomb detonating
in an effort to prove their contention. Groening said, they
fired the thing off. We saw it. It was on CNN.
So what all it did was set off an explosion
and wiggle the trees behind it. It didn't even knock
them over. He says, my knowledge comes from practical handling
of explosives, and my belief is that forty eight hundred
pounds of ANFHO wouldn't have scuffed the paint off the building. Now,
the FBI changed the size of the bomb numerous times.
If you remember, it was originally a twelve hundred pound bomb,
then it was a two thousand pound bomb, then it
was a four thousand pound bomb, before finally stating in
a press release it was forty eight hundred pounds. So
they had to keep upgrading the size of the vehicle
and the fertilizer bomb to coincide with the damage. If
you will, and I think you'll actually hear that statement.
When you hear Gunderson speak, he definitely talks about Oklahoma City,
if I recall correctly. But the government also originally claimed
the bomb costs less than one thousand dollars to build,
then just before the trial, the figure was upgraded to
five thousand dollars, and their rationale was based on the
discovery almost two years after the fact, that the suspects
had constructed their magic bomb with racing fuel. You see,
it wasn't diesel fuel racing fuel, so it was much
more expensive. And to maintain a semblance of credibility in
light of increasingly publicized reports of General Partner and others,
the government conceded right before the start of mcveigh's trial
forget this. They publicly conceded that the suspects probably hadn't
built their bomb at Geary State Park after all. So
if they admit to one falsification, what else is a lie?
If Timothy McVeigh or anyone else with military training wanted
to destroy that building, it's highly unlikely they would have
used ANFO. Okay, as the Army tms clearly state, ANFO
is not good for destroying concrete or steel. And you know,
if you look at who he was, and you know,
here's this consummate soldier who studied every conceivable army manual
in a spare time. That's what we're told, including TM
thirty one two ten, the Improvised Munition's Handbook. He would
have known this. But the FBI insists that amateur bomb
makers McVeigh and Nichols built this amazing anfho bomb that
killed one hundred and sixty nine people and destroyed a
modern nine story steel reinforced concrete building. Of course, that
was before the government's damage control apparatus went into effect.
Now listen, there are hundreds of theories of why they
did it. Most people believe it was a multifaceted test.
One number one, if you look at the time it
went off, it basically coincides with the time, you know,
just after nine in the morning, just like nine to eleven, right.
But also there's rumors that, you know, the trial that
Clinton was under, and if I'm not mistaken, his wife Hillary,
she was due to speak a couple of weeks after that,
and that distracted from that case. And there's rumors that
some documents were kept in that building. That there is
rumors of the vaccine that was undisclosed that was used
in Desert Storm. There's your Desert Storm connection. Those documents
and the soldiers who were given that was kept there,
We'll never know. Vince Canastrero, ABC News correspondent and former
CIA Intelligent Advisor to the National Security Council said, this
is something professional, and it really implies that the person
who constructed the explosive device had experience, was trained in
the use of explode, and they knew what they were doing.
Before he began attacking critics of the government's case. The
government and by the way, go look at Keating's brother's book.
That's no coincidence, right, But Oklahoma governor and former FBI
agent Frank Keating said, obviously whatever did the damage to
the Murrow building was a tremendous, very sophisticated explosive device.
And if you're not familiar with that book, I'll pull
it up here here real quick. It's not in my notes,
but I can google it real quick. Dramatic pause. How's
everybody doing? So the basic facts. Frank Keating was the
governor of Oklahoma nineteen ninety five. His brother Martin Keating
wrote a novel called The Final Jihad and of course,
Google is quick to say it was written prior to
the Oklahoma City bombing, that it was published after the bombing.
I love when Google gate keeps right. And yes, the
book included a terrorist plot involving a bombing in the
US heartland. And do you know what the character's name was,
Tom McVeigh. It included a plot of bombing and a
traffic stop involving the suspect. And then it goes right
back into you know, gatekeeping. But you can't make this
stuff up. The very next day, the government was insisting
that a homemade AMPHO bomb made with agricultural grade ammonium
nitrate did the job. FBI special agent John Hursley contends
that traces of a military type debt cord known as PDTN,
commonly known as primodete, were found on mcveagh's clothing at
the time of his arrest. Senior FBI chemist Frederick Whitehurst
conducted a test on mcveah's clothing, but he found no residue,
nor did they find any in his car. Whitehurst came
forward with allegations that the FBI has been slanning results
of its forensics tests for years. Collected a thirty page memo,
Whitehurst criticized FBI lab personnel for incompetence. As a Justice
Department memo states, quote, doctor Whitehurst contends that the explosive
units and the Chemistry and Toxicology Unit inappropriately structure their
conclusions to favor the prosecution. Wow, you're kidding me. I
can't believe it. You're telling me that I shouldn't trust
the government. No way. According to The Wall Street Journal,
Whitehurst's accusations of bias and even manufacturing evidence have called
into question several high profile government cases, including not just
Oklahoma City but the World Trade Center bombings. So his
allegations were further elaborated on revealing a report issued by
the dog IJ try that again the do IG the
Inspector General's Office, which concluded that Williams repeatedly reached conclusions
that incriminated the defendants without a scientific basis that were
not explained in the body of the report. So it
appears Williams reached his conclusions based not on evidence, but
on the fact that Terry Nichols allegedly purchased large qualities
of ANFHO and the OIG. The Office of Inspector General
report states that without the evidence of these purchases, Williams
admitted he would have been unable to conclude that ANFO
was used. Indeed, Williams stated that based on the post
blast scene alone, it could have been dynamite. So again,
and then of course there's Michael Riconosuto. We've done podcasts
on him before. He told Ted Gunderson that the theory
of the drums of ANFO being detonated with his debt
cord was impossible. The only way to obtain blast control
is with volumetric initiation. You can go back and listen
to that podcast. I'm not going to get into the
technical aspects of that. So it pulls us to why
is the government going to such great lengths in spite
of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, to make us believe
the Alfred P. Murrah Building was destroyed by an ANFO bomb,
Because the government's case is built on the premise that
Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols built their alleged bomb with
ammonium nitrate. The calls allegedly made by McVeigh were to
stores that sell racing fuel and ammonium nitrate. Mcveigh's fingerprint
is allegedly on a receipt for ammonium nitrate, and a
small trace of that nitrate was allegedly found at the scene,
So the government's case must proceed along those lines. Any
evidence that proves the bomb was made of anything other
than ANFO would not destroy the government's case, or I
should say, not only destroy the government's case, but it
would open up inquiries about who really bombed the Murrah
building and why. So you know, the government had to
stick with the ANPHO theory because Michael and Laurie Fortier
agreed to testify in a plea bargain that their friend
McVeigh arranged soup cans in their kitchen to demonstrate how
to make a shaped charge. Yet his bomb experts explained
that there is no way to make a shape charge
out of a collection of ANFO barrels. But the government
doesn't want any serious inquiries as to who really blew
up the Murror building. They liked their story, neat tidy.
We executed them onto the next thing, right, The government
expects us to believe that two loan amateurs with a
crude fertilizer bomb out in the open twenty to thirty
feet away from a hardened target destroyed eight reinforced columns
and killed one hundred and sixty one hundred and sixty
nine people, And as General Parton said, such a scenario
is beyond credulity. Another former ATF agent, Rick Cherrow, he
wrote an article for Soldier Fortune magazine. I used to
be a big deal back in the day. I'm not
even sure if that's still a thing, but he wrote
an article entitled bomb bast, bomb Blasts and Bologney. He
contends that General Parton's assessment of the bombing is somehow inaccurate.
Cheryl claims that the pressure wave would have struck the
building from the rapidly deteriorating blast and the ANFO bomb
three hundred and seventy five psi, according to Parton's figures,
would be more than enough to destroy reinforced concrete columns.
And again to Sam Groning, such a statement is preposterous.
Now those who rushed to refuse the evidence presented by
Parton and Raubach and others, They cite evidence of the
nineteen eighty two destruction of the marine bunkers in Beirut Lebanon,
which was a truck bomb driven by what we're told
was an Islamic terrorist. In that instance, however, the truck
was driven directly into the building, and it was a
structure much smaller and much lighter than the Murra building. Now,
if you look at August of nineteen seventy, there was
seventeen hundred pounds of info parked in a van outside
of the Army Math Research Lab at the University of
Wisconsin in Madison Where's Wisconsin again, although parked closer than
the rider truck to the Mura building. Remember, the truck
was I think fifteen feet away, whereas in Murray it
was twenty eight. The bomb barely blew a hole in
the outer wall and took out some windows. Nineteen eighty nine,
Columbian Narco terrorists detonated a truck bomb outside the National
Security Department in Bagota, Columbia. The vehicle was parked approximately
ten feet from a modern high rise building. Now, the
bomb did indeed decimate the face of the building, but
the support columns were left perfectly intact. The summer of
ninety six, year after Oklahoma City, an IRA truck bomb
detonated in the heart of Manchester's financial district. Now this
device again constructed a vanfo and it had about thirty
five hundred pounds of semtex and that's a high velocity,
military grade plastic explosive. Now, that did cause considerable damage
to the surrounding buildings, but they were relatively left intact.
Although the device managed to break a lot of windows,
and yes it did Injure two hundred and six people,
not a single person was killed. We'll do one more example.
June twenty fifth, nineteen ninety six. Everybody remembers this, and
we all know who got the contract. It was a
tanker trailer packed with RDX plastic explosives blew up outside
the Kobar Towers. I was there, no exactly where it
is watched. We were there that night the war started.
We watched F sixteen's take off. One after another RDX
plastic explosives blew up outside the Kobar Towers, killing nineteen
American servicemen in injuring hundreds. While the blast produced a
crater thirty five feet deep eighty five feet across, the
crater in Oklahoma was what six deep and sixteen across,
it didn't do the same amount of damage done to
the Mirror building. The building constructed again. The Mirror Building
was constructed to be much more rigorous, more rigorous codes
and specifications, and Parton offered this analogy. He said, it
would be as irrational or impossible as a situation in
which a one hundred and fifty pounds man sits in
a flimsy chair, causing the chair to collapse, while a
man weighing fifteen hundred pounds sits in the same chair
and it doesn't collapse. It's impossible. And yes, by the way,
after that explosion in Cobar and ninety six, yeah, the
bin Laden Construction Company got the award to fix those buildings.
You can't make this stuff up. Jim Loftus, one of
the building's architects, said that they were asked to make
the building bomb resistant due to the left wing radicals
who were blowing up federal facilities in the early seventies.
The weathermen or what were they called the weather something
and one of them went on to be a government
agent as well. You can't make this stuff up. He
said that the building was designed to meet earthquake standards.
So he said that the north side of the lower level,
which was the area impacted by the truck bomb, was
a steel rebar reinforced concrete without windows. He concurred with
both Rawback and Parton that the pressure necessary to destroy
the concrete is in the four thousand psi range, which
is a far cry from the thirty psi sighted from Chery. Now,
all of these things may sound tedious, but it's to
make a point. It's to reinforce the fact that someone
is lying. Look at the Athenian Restaurant, which sat about
one hundred and fifty feet northwest of the Murrah Building.
It was almost completely destroyed, or pieces of the Murrah
Building were actually blown into the Athenian. As video producer
Jerry Longspoull points out, only a bomb inside the Federal
Building would be capable of projecting parts of the building
one hundred and fifty feet away. As Groaning notes in
a letter to Representative Key, not in your wildest dreams
with that much info affect peripheral damage at that distance,
which leads me to suspect that another more powerful device
was used. Now, again, did the atf have devices inside
that went off accidentally and they covered that up? Was
it a trial run for nine to eleven? Well, who knows.
There's so many avenues that they could have done this.
But again, it takes an absolute evil psychopath to allow this,
And I don't care about your job, or your retirement
or your pension. Everybody involved should be held accountable and
should be in Guantanamo Bay the rest of their lives,
and those families should have been compensated and taken care of.
But instead we move on to the next thing, all
in the name of security. So again, if the CIA
or one of its tentacles, and they have many, were involved,
as they invariably tend to be in many cases like this,
they would have a strong motive to cover up the
involvement and redirect the investigation. The most common way of
doing this, It's what they always do propaganda and disinformation.
While Cheryl himself has criticized the ATF and wrote several
articles debunking the government's theory regarding militia groups, this particular
article appeared to be a hit piece designed to discredit
any legitimate analysis of the bombing. And that's what they do, right.
You can put all your cards on the table to
make perfect sense. Two plus two equals four, you know,
and they just say you're a conspiracy theorist. That's it.
They say three words and you're debunked and everybody else
goes on with their day, but critics of the government
story have gone beyond the ordinary explanations, you know, part
and groaning others veterans. Today, there's hundreds, if not thousands,
of articles out there debunking the official Narra Larren's Emmanuel,
a Berkeley assistant physics professor who has studied the bombing
is an advocate. His analysis, appeared in the Veritas newsletter,
indicates that the wide extent of the collateral damage was
not consistent with a conventional explosion. This paper cites hundreds
of examples proving there's no way an anphobomb could have
done that type of damage. Ted Gunderson, who you'll be
hearing here in the next few minutes, he what did
he run? The Dallas and LA office for the FBI
independently investigated the bombing, included numerous letters and memorandums in
his report, which pointed to the existence of such a device.
He reported that the government contrary number for the bomb
was DAAA DASH twenty one DASH ninety C DASH zero
zero four five and was manufactured by Dino Noble in
Salt Lake City. There's Utah again. Hmmm, Dino Noble was
previously connected with Hercules Manufacturing, where Raconnosseuto worked. The Department
of the Army denies that contract. Dino Noble refused to
respond to inquiries from Gunderson and others. So the bomb
specialist that the government called as its expert witness during
the federal grand jury testimony was Robert Hoppler, and Hoppler
had recently retired from Noble. You know, play the old coincidence, jar,
I need to reprogram that. In Chero raised the issue
of the electro hyd hide dro dynamic gaseest fuel device
in his Soldier of Fortune magazine. Now, there was one
victim in the Hut office in the Murrah building described
in a National Public Radio or NPR on May twenty third,
nineteen ninety five, how she felt a heat wave and
a static electricity charge immediately before the windows blew in.
Dana Bradley, who lost her mother and two children in
the bombing, said that she felt electricity running through her
body right before the bomb went off. Then you have
another victim, Ramona MacDonald, who was driving a block away.
She remembers seeing a brilliant flash and described the feeling
of static electricity. Quote it made a real loud, static
electricity sound. It sounded like a big swarm of bees.
You could actually hear it. And the next thing was
a real sharp clap like thunder. MacDonald also described both
gold and blue flashes of light. Now Raccona Shudo called
his device blue Death. So again, these people believe that
this top secret weapon was used. Maybe that was the test.
But another survivor of the blast was quoted on CNN
as saying that it was just like an atomic bomb
went off. The ceiling went in, all the windows came in,
and there was a deafening roar, and then, of course,
you know, next week we'll play the audio. There was
definitely two blasts. They were very close to each other,
but there was definitely definitely to two blasts. And look,
Gunderson Kna Shudo. Of course they've received ridicule and called
conspiracy theorist for suggesting that a super secret pineapple sized
device may have destroyed the Murrah Building. People cautioned that Cohen,
one of the designers of those bombs, said, when I
first came up with the concept of the neutron bomb,
the ridicule I took from the scientific community was something
awful and this included the scientist at the Nobel Prize level,
So you know what technology do we have? Who knows
One of the more interesting interviews, and we're going to
wrap up today. We'll have part two next week. Gene Wheaton,
a former Pentagon CID investigator, claims that the fuel air
bomb was deployed in the Golf War, along with other
experimental weapons responsible for much of the massive devastation inflicted
in Iraq. The fuel air explosive, they call FAE, can
cover an area of one thousand feet wide with blast
pressures of two hundred psi. Now, it seems that the
Messerschmidt Vocal Blown company supplied Iraq with plans for this
fuel air explosive. The blueprints were allegedly passed to the
Iraqis by the Egyptians, and the word is Iraq commenced
commercial production of this weapon. Now, it should be noted
that a few minutes before nine am on April nineteenth,
nineteen ninety five, there was a young Arabic man carrying
a backpack seen in the Murrh building hurriedly pushing the
elevator button as trying to get off. And that's something
that you never hear reported right, a few minutes after
he exited the building, well two minutes to be exact,
a bomb went off the elevator doors, which were on
the opposite side of the building from the truck bomb.
Their doors were blown outward. What does that make sense
if all the destruction came from the outside. Another military
source agreed that a device similar to the fuel air
explosive does exist. They call it the Special Atomic Demolition
Munitions or sodom ah little little shot at Saddam Hussein,
I guess, and it goes on about more Iraq nonsense.
I think this is the perfect place to stock. We'll
get back into it next week and more into the
nitty gritty the people involved. We'll place some audio of
the bomb going off and it sounds like two bombs
the Richter scale and what was why did this occur?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And if you missed the Sunday Classic audio, please go
back and listen to it. The Terrence Yakey story massive
cover up in itself. This is a deep, deep rabbit
hole and it connects to many others. If you have
thoughts insight into it, send me an email The fact
Hunter at mail dot com. Again, the fact Hunter at
mail dot com. I won't say your name. I'll just
read your information because there are, I know, dozens and
dozens of theories on this. So there you go. Check
out our websites Foundations and faith dot net. Send us
an email the fact hunter dot com. God bless you
stick around for Ted Gunderson. He speaks for about an hour,
so the total will run you about two hours today.
There you go, God bless Keep your head on a
swivel and Christ in your heart. Until we meet again,
my friends, we will see you.
Speaker 1: I want to make it very clear in the beginning
I'm not anti government. I don't believe in terrorism, and
I want to make it especially clear that there are
a lot of good people in the FBI and the CIA,
Naval Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Military Intelligence NSA. Unfortunately, there are
a few key people in key possessions who have made
a difference, a big difference in what's happening in America today.
So looking back my personal experiences, I retired from the
FBI March nineteen seventy nine. At that time, I was
in charge of the FBI Los Angeles Division. I had
more than seven hundred personnel under my command. The Attorney
General of the United States. Griffin Bell asked me after
I retired, if I coordinate security for the Pan American Games.
I did. I was a consultant in the nineteen eighty
four Los Angeles Olympics. I was a consultant for former
Governor Jerry Brown California California Narcotic Authority. So I do
have credentials. My first major and credibility. Believe me, if
you read the Internet, you may not think so, because
there are some heavy duty FBI and forms out there,
like Stu Webb and Barbara Hartwell, who are MK ultra
mind control victims, CIA mind control victims who are making
all kinds of disparaging remarks about me. But I don't
want to deal with those people because if you read
their material, you'll see that it's designed to discredit people
like me, former State Senator John D. Camp and other
leaders who are trying our best to expose what's happening
in America today and actually around the world. Let's go
back to seventeen seventy six May. The first Adam Weissoff
was commissioned by the Rothschild family to set up the
goals to control and take over the world with a
one world government. Adam Weissoff came up with twenty five.
Among these goals were control the press, corrupt the youth
through sex and drugs, elect our own people our own people,
meaning the Illuminati, to key positions in all levels of
the government city, county, state, and federal, and it goes on.
The final goal was to take over the world the
one World government. Information is very well documented by William
guy Carr and his magazine, his book Excuse Me Pawns
in the Game. When I retired, I had no idea
what was going on. I had no idea about the Illuminati.
I had no idea about Adam Weissoff. However, my first
major investigation when I returned from Puerto Rico was a
doctor Jeffrey R. A. McDonald case. He's a former Green
Beret doctor who was convicted of murdering his wife and
two children at Fort Bragg February seventeenth, nineteen seventy. He'd
been tried and convicted and sentenced to three consecutive life sentences.
I was asked by the defense team to investigate the
case because they claimed that doctor McDonald was innocent. I
said I would, but if I learned that he murdered
his wife and two children. I would discontinue my investigation
no longer become involved. I want you to know I'm
still working for doctor McDonald's he is an innocent man. Now.
Once I became involved in the case, I had to
read everything, and I learned that evidence was lost, evidence
was stolen, evidence was altered. An FBI Gt. Paul stamenbaught
lied before the grand jury, and most important of all, Collette,
the wife had skin where she had fought off the
assailants under her fingernails. Bad skin was handed over to
William f Ivory, the chief investigator for the army, and
it has disappeared. Ten months into the case October twenty five,
nineteen eighty, I, through a series of circumstances I don't
have time to go into the details now, obtained a
sign confession from one Helena Stokeley. I had three sessions
with her ten days east total of thirty days. Helena
told me that doctor McDonald did not commit those crimes,
that they were committed by her Satanic cold group. And
I said to myself, what's this all about. I don't
know think about Satanism. I read about it in the Bible,
of course, and that's about it. But as I delved
into the case, I learned that drugs from Southeast Asia
were being flown into the United States the various military
bases in plastic bags in the bodies of the dead gis.
I further learned from Elena that her Satanny Colt group
was involved in distributing these drugs up and down the
East Coast. They were mad at doctor McDonald because he
was abusive to the cult members and the gis who
went to the civilian hospital where he was moonlighting for
relief of some sort. They went in and attacked him
that night. There were totally seven involved in the crime.
She named them all for me right now today I
know where some of them are located, but further check
and document them. I went to the UCLA Library and
I found out, in fact, in the Time magazine January one,
nineteen seventy three, there was an article about bringing drugs
and plastic bagging the body cavities of dead g eyes.
There was no question in my mind that Lena was
telling the truth. I gave her a polygraph test and
she passed. I had her examined by a psychiatrists she passed,
and as a matter of fact, the government themselves had
given her a polygraph examination early in their investigation before
I entered the case, and Brisantine, the Army polygraph operator,
said that she thought that she was telling the truth.
She thought she was there that night. Now, the most
recent series of events in the McDonald case. Now, I'm
telling you a little about the McDonald key because that's
what woke me up as to what was going on.
It was after that that I started researching and went
back and found out about the Illuminati, Illuminati, Satanism. It
was after that that I learned considerable more about what
was going on. And the most recent information, Doctor McDonald,
who's been in the penitentiary for some twenty five or
twenty six years now appeared before a parole board just
two days ago, his first that he's ever appeared before
a parole board. And the reason he had never appeared
before is because, in his opinion, had he appeared before,
it would be an admission of guilt in this particular innsence.
He still claimed he was innocent. But he did appear
before the board because a newly wed individual with a
woman named Kathy, and of course, if you read the papers.
In the last two days, his parole was turned down
and the parole board made him eligible for another hearing
in fifteen years. This poor man not only lost his
wife and two children, he has served twenty five years
in the penitentiary and another fifteen years ago. He's sixty
one years old. I am still working the case. What
are the latest developments on the case. In nineteen ninety seven,
the judge, federal judge, agreed to do DNA tests and
they chose fifteen individual pieces of evidence to be examined. However,
the judge said that when you open the evidence envelopes,
only the prosecutor can be present. Well, they opened the
evidence envelopes, the prosecutor did, how many do you think
were empty? Five? Five evidence envelopes were empty. The skin
under Klett's fingernails would have established doctor McDonald's innocence alone.
Now we have DNA authorized nineteen ninety seven. Here we
are in two thousand and five. They still have not
completed the DNA is from the McDonald case. The next
case I worked of a major consequence was the McMartin
preschool case in Manhattan Beach, California. The children there claimed
there were tunnels under the school. They were taken into
the tunnels and through the tunnels up into the trap
door of a bathroom in the triplex next door, placed
in automobiles, and prostituted in the community. These are two
three and four year old children before they entered kindergarten.
In addition, the children claimed that they were flown into
the mountains where they were involved with adults in robes,
black robes, chanting candles. They talked about the brown babies
who were who were cut up, actually sacrificed, and then
checking into this and researching this. Of course, this was
obviously a satanic ceremony. The McMartin family who owned the preschool,
they were tried of Dray Bucky and his grandmother. The
grandmother was acquitted hung jury on Ray Bucky. The second
trial another hung jury. I had an opportunity in nineteen
ninety to gain control of the school. Now the school
had been given to Danny Davis, the defense attorney, and
he had sold it even though he made fifteen million
dollars on the case. By the way, he had sold
it to a contractor who was going to tear it down.
When I learned this, I contacted the contractor. I said,
I want to be given an opportunity to go on
that school and look for the tunnels. The authorities had
looked for them in nineteen eighty seven they said they
could find no tunnels. Along with some of the parents,
we hired doctor Gary Stickle, UCLA archaeologists. He hired his
crew and brought them in and in thirty four days
doctor Stickle said there had been tunnels under that school.
They were covered up and they were covered in. An
informant of mine told me that there was an abandoned
Satanic site in Crestline, California, up in the mountains. I
went up into the mountains and obtained copies, photocopies, photographs,
excuse me of the site. I have a lecture that
I give where these pictures are available. It's called Gundersen
Chronicles number two. It's a four hour lecture that I
gave in Kansas City a number of years ago. It
number of years ago, which shows this abandoned site and
also pictures from the McMartin Tunnel's school day. From there,
I became involved in another case, very frightening case, because
I established with the help of people like John DeCamp,
former State Senator Nebraska, that we had in this country
today a covert military criminal enterprise government enterprise primarily by
US military intelligence that is operating full throttle, and everybody
refuses to investigate it. In the Nebraska case, it's called
the Franklin cover up. This is the book here that
I that Johnny Camp wrote. By the way, it's all
documented in there. And in that particular instance, they were
taking children out of foster homes, orphanages, boys town, driving
them from Omaha, Nebraska to Sussi I one hundred and
eighty four miles away, placing them in private jets and
flying them in Washington, DC for sex orgies with prominent
people including congressman, senators, and certain people in the White House.
It's well documented. I have personally talked to Paul Banazi.
I have five hour interview with him. It's it's a
tape that's available. I don't have it with me here,
but you can order it. I have a five hour
interview with Paul that I gave that he gave me
in nineteen ninety three. Paul told me now he was used.
He was part of the kidnapping crew and was used
as a decoy and when he was ten, eleven, twelve
years old, in parks shopping malls, to attract the children
over near where the adults were in a car waiting
for them. They throw them in the backseat, chloroform them,
and make off with them. Paul also told me that
these children, many of them, become sex slaves, medium are
used as toys. The boys. They call the boys toys.
I don't know what they call the girls, but these degenerate,
sick people, the men are more interested in the little
boys than they are the girls for some reason. But
it's all well documented. Paul drew the inside living quarters
of the White House. Now, this information broke in about
nineteen eighty seven, that's about right after I entered. Just
before I entered the case, I replaced the fellow named
Gary Karadori, who was the investigator for a Nebraska Senate committee.
Gary met the official photographer of the group who had
split from the group, defected and agreed to take the
pictures that this official photographer gave him, and they met
in Chicago agreed to take the pictures back to the committee.
He flew out of Chicago in his private plane short
period a short distance out of Chicago. The plane exploded
mid air, and his briefcase has never been found. He
and his eleven year old boy were died. His briefcase
has never been found. The rear seat of the airplane
has never been found. I made every attempt possible to
obtain and obtained possession of or control of that plane
because I wanted to examine it for bomb chemicals, particularly
in the back seat. It's no longer available. Nobody knows
what happened to it. Gary Carrydar was a civilian, yet
it was taken to a military base for examination. A
deputy sheriff was the first one on the scene. He
saw the pictures. He started picking up the pictures. An
FBI agent came along, took the pictures away from him
and told him to keep his mouth shut. He started
talking to a few people. A year later, his wife
was murdered. He's no longer talking. This international child kidnapping ring,
I later learned was out of Washington, d C. It
was very active, and the organization is known as the Finders,
and I have a report on the Finders back there.
Everything I'm telling you is documented by the way the
Finders has been established and operating throughout the nineteen sixties
up to the present time. It was exposed in nineteen
eighty seven, they moved their operation to which dalk Kansas,
and they're operating right today in which dalk Kansas. I
have taken my report to the FBI half a dozen times,
demanded an investigation, and I have yet to be interviewed.
So we have the finders. We have the Franklin cover up,
which documents what I'm telling you. We have the pawns
in the game. Pawns in the game is the Illuminati.
This is the Illuminati, slice Satanic movement in this country today.
And the last thing I'm gonna mention in the way
of a book is why Johnny can't come home. Johnny
Gosh was September the fifth, nineteen eighty two, a newspaper
boy on a Sunday, and he was about to deliver
his newspapers in Western Wine, Iowa. He never delivered any newspapers.
He disappeared. The mother of Marine Gosh was dumbfounded, didn't
know what happened, demanded an investigation of the FBI and
by the Western Wine Police Department. The chief of police
in Western Wine said to her, even though he disappeared.
We do not have any witnesses who saw him being
grabbed and placed in a car or being taken control of,
so we're not going to investigate it. The FBI used
the same premise. They refused to investigate it. Involved in
kidnappings in the FBI, and I can tell you that
it's automatic within twenty four hours, at the end of
twenty four hours that we had to go in. In my day,
this is back in the fifties, sixties, and seventies, we
had to go in and start investigating the case after
they've disappeared for twenty four hours. Today, as I stand
here and you sit there, the children are disappearing in
this country at the rate of eighty three per hour.
That's over seven hundred thousand children a year. Now, I
can go back to July nineteen eighty two, the Reader's
Digest claimed there were one hundred thousand children disappearing every year.
There's another statistic that I find very interesting, and that
is that it is estimated two thousand and five hundred
children are kidnapped and murdered in this country every year.
That's an unbelievable figure. Yet the FBI refuses to investigate
it now after the Nebraska case and part of the
Nebraska case. Most recently, we have an young man named
Jeff Gannon who has appeared in the White House using
a fraudulent press pass. This has happened within the last month.
Certain people in the White House were questioning him and
were suspicious of him because but he would engage in
a press conference with the President President Bush. He was
asking what they call soft questions, soft questions meaning the
President would have an answer for them. He'd look. Somebody
start checking into his background. They learned that he was
actually an individual named Jim Guckert. This is all on
the Internet, by the way, and Guckert had a homosexual website.
So Jeff Gadden is an alias of Jim gucker Now
his picture appeared in the Internet and he is believed
to be Johnny Gosh, who was kidnapped September the five,
nineteen eighty two. The mother and Irene Gosh who wrote
this book Why Johnny Can't Come Home. I have a
two hour interview with her on video available again if
you want to check my order blank. She did not
sit still for this. Can you imagine if the eighty
three mothers of children who disappear every hour. Would do
what the ring Gosh has done, we wouldn't have this
problem today. She went to the FBI demand an investigation.
They refused to investigate. The police refused to investigate because
the case tied into the Franklin cover up. Some of
our top politicians in the country, leading businessmen Harold Anderson,
had done fighted by the children past published of the
Omo World Herald. The head of the Nebraska Forestry Service
was identified by these children or eighty children came forward
in this Nebraska case. And it goes, as I said,
right up to the White House in nineteen eighty seven.
According to Paul Banassi, he was furnishing toys or little boys,
young boys to the sick people, certain sick individuals in
the White House itself. I have the names of some
of these people, no need to mention it here. Some
of them are mentioned in the Franklin cover of But
it does appear that Jeff Gannon is in fact Johnny
Gosh Green Gosh. The mother has looked at the pictures.
She believes it's Johnny Gosh because he has a scar
on his right cheek. But the size of the nickel,
it's white Dannon has a scar there. Also, little Johnny
Gosh had a birthmark on his left chest about eight
inches long. From looking at pictures of Jeff Cannon on
the Internet, it appears that he had a birthmark at
one time, and there's been an attempt to erase it.
I personally talked to one of the youngsters who was
involved in this network. I've talked to several of them,
and he assures me that Jeff Cannon is in fact
Johnny Gosh. Well, how did Johnny Gosh get from Western Maine, Iowa,
twelve years old, all the way with the phony press
pass into the White House as of a few weeks ago. Well,
what happened to Johnny is that he was transported from
Western Maine, Iowa, to Sioux City. He was placed on
a farm for three weeks, sexually molested. He was taken
to the mountains in Colorado, placed in a cage in
a house of some sort or a cabin, and then
later he was used as a sex slave, a sex slave.
They didn't kill him, they didn't sacrifice number of these
kids are sacrificed in Satanic ceremonies. Now he escaped with
another young man. They stole a car. And in nineteen
ninety seven, Johnny knocked on his mother's door at two
thirty in the morning, marine Gosh and said he wanted
to talk to her. He was there with another young boy.
He came in. He told Loraine. He says, mother, I
was kidnapped. I've been placed in a covert military CIA
controlled mind controlled project and used as a sex slave.
He said, I can't come forward at this time, they
will kill me, and then he left. Lorraine says that's
the last time she talked to him. Nineteen ninety seven. Now,
several years after that, a girl named Burns, who was
a producer for twenty twenty, decided to do a story
on the Johnny Gosh kidnapping and the Nebraska case, and
she interviewed me. In fact, I had spent five days
with her, gave her the benefit of all my research,
which is available to you folks also. And then she
got a lead that Johnny was hiding out on an
Indian reservation in northern Minnesota. She went there and flushed
him out, and he basically went into hiding. And now
he shows up at the White House. He was a
mind control victim. If you don't know anything, about MKLTR
mind control program. It came into this country through the
German Scientus after World War Two. They were involved with
the Nazis during the war and prior to World War
two and developing robots and individuals to be used on
command for anything that they wished, including assassinations and other
nefarious activity. The Mkoltry program CI mind control program was
investigated by Congress in nineteen eighty seven. Congress said, see
how you got to quit doing that. That's your bad boys,
and they said, we will quit. Don't kid yourself. It's
very active today. There are people like Barbara Hartwell out
there who are a mind control victims. He's another one
that's been bashing me. I must have been doing a
pretty good job, because they wouldn't have these people criticizing
me on the internet like they do. And of course
it doesn't bother me in the least. But going back
to the Nebraska case, mk Ultra, a lot of this
training took place at off at Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska,
which was says str Teaching care Command headquarters. You recall,
after nine to one one the President flew to I
think it was to the south, someplace in Louisiana or
New Orleans. And then he flew to off At Air
Force Base in the afternoon of September eleventh, o one,
and they had a party there that morning at nine
thirty in the morning. He missed the party. He was
sorry he missed the party. Warren Buffo was there by
the way, And the mk ULTU program has been very
actively administered, not only at off At Air Force Base
at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, the pace where Dr McDonald's
family was slaughtered in nineteen seventy. Now the Nebraska case.
I don't want to leave that without telling you that
in the early nineteen nineties, Yorkshire TV came to the
United States with a camera crew for seven months to
do a documentary on it. They went back to England,
produced the documentary, and they brought it over into the
United States. It was listed in the TV Guide to
be aired or May the third, nineteen ninety four. When
certain members of Congress found out about it, they have
threatened the cable industry with restrictive legislation. Somebody anonymously bought
up the rights to the videotape for the documentary and
ordered all copies destroyed. I just happened to have a
bootleg copy of that documentary, and it is available. I
have been selling these and these books and getting this
report out of mind to anybody that's interested in it.
And by the way, I have a five package deal
for you at about the fifteen percent discount fifteen to
twenty percent discount if you buy all five items. So
about six months ago, as any good investigator would do,
I said, I'm going to get a copy of that
TV Guide. I didn't have a copy. John and Camp
had one one time, couldn't find it as typical of
John by the way, good friend, great guy, And so
I said, I'm gonna eat my own copy. So I
wrote to TV guide people and I received a copy
of the TV Guide from May third, nineteen ninety four,
ten PM Discovery Channel. It's not listed a Nature show
is listed instead on the new reprinted edition. I'm not
going to be out fox with these people. I went
to the Los Angeles Times TV log. It's listed Conspiracy
of Silence. I called a friend of mine in Philadelphia,
and I said, check the TV me love for the
Philadelphian Choir. Conspiracy of Silence is listed in the Philadelphian
choir the power of the press, they changed and reprinted
the whole TV guide. It never has been shown publicly
in the United States, and I doubt if it ever
will be shown publicly. But as I said, it is
available to you. Now. That's not the end of the
story for me, because I am continuously probing, continuously working,
continuously talking to various sources and putting it on paper
and documenting and getting the word out. This is the
direction that we have to go. Americans, for the most part,
are oblivious to what's really going on behind the scenes.
One of the things that in addition to the McDonald's
case that got me thinking was the Jack Kennedy assassination.
So I checked into that. And by the way, I
used to be in charge of the FBI in Dallas,
and also I was in charge in Los Angeles after Dallas.
So in checking into the Jack Kennedy assassination, I learned
no question about it that it was a joint hit
by the CIA and the Chicago mob. Sam Jean Canna,
head of the La Cosa ouster in Chicago, three days
before he was to testify before Congress, was shot and
killed murdered. This encouraged me to do some more checking
in some of these national terrorist acts that have taken
place and other cover ups in the United States. I
interviewed the naval intelligence officer who on December fourth, nineteen
forty one, received information that the Japanese were going to
bomb Pearl Harbor. We had broken the secret code of
the Japanese, he told me personally. On December the fourth.
He gave it to his superiors. They passed it up
the line. After Pearl Harbor, he was subpoened and testified
for Congress. His boss called him in said, don't worry
about it. Don't respond to this opoenion. Someday you'll know why.
He never did testify for Congress, and he recently passed
on by the way, So we have not only a
cover up in these other areas, but looking at the
national picture Pearl Harbor and look at Waco. The military
was involved in destroying and un and killing and also
the FBI women and children. In Waco. They used tanks,
military tanks in violation of Posse commatatis, which is a
law that says in military cannot be used to enforce
the civilian population. They got away with it. There's an
interesting story. I did some research on Waco. As I've
told you, I've done a lot of research, and I've
in many instances, I've not only been there, I've done
that and I've been on the scene. I've spent most
of my retirement money investigating these matters, including Oklahoma City,
and I've going to that in just a minute, nine
to one one and so forth. But in Waco, there
were four BTF agents who were shot and killed. Some
of the Branch Davidians were tried, senced for these quote murders,
and are serving prison terms today, probably for life. In
researching the four BATF agents who were shot, I learned
every one of them was shot in the head. Now,
for those of you who have been in the military,
that's a sniper shot, no question about it. One of me,
the bullet projector of the bullet was from above, down
through his lip and into his body, probably from a helicopter.
It's interesting to note that these four men BATF agents
at one time were all bodyguards for former President Bill Clinton. Wait,
that was Waco. Ruby Rich Randy Weaver was set up
by a BATF Bureauacal Tobacco Farm's informant. He bought a
shotgun that was about a quarter of an inch too
short by law. They arrested him and served him with
a warrant. He refused to appear before the courts, and
they sent an army after him. Or are you chief?
The FBI sharpshooter shot and killed his wife while she
was standing in the doorway. He used to brag about
what a great shot he was. Another instance where they
tried to railroad, good loyal American who who fell in
the trap? And then we have the nineteen ninety three
continued with the great conspiracy. I call this a great conspiracy,
and that's what it is. Car bombing of the World
Trade Center. I have a copy of the New York Times,
October twenty eighth, nineteen ninety three, and in the article
this was reporting from the trial to place. An FBI
informant named So, who was in among the terrorists, testified
that he was commissioned by the terrorists to put the
bomb together, the car bomb together to bomb the World
Trade Center in February nineteen ninety three. And fortunately for him,
when he met with the terrorists, he wore mike so
he could record every word that was said. Unknown to
the FBI, when he met with the FBI. He also
when he met with the FBI, he also wore a BodyMark.
That was probably what kept him from being set up
and framed and sent to prison. This is actually in
this newspaper article. He went to his FBI superiors says,
I've been commissioned to put the bomb together. We're going
to use the bomb, aren't we? And he was told
by his FBI superiors, no, we're going to use a
real bomb. Now. I don't understand why Congress and Senate
investigators and and our leaders in Washington, DC are not
jumping up and down over that situation. The FBI now
only new in advance of the car bombing, they furnished
the ingredients for the bomb. Why doesn't somebody take some
action in that area. Why doesn't somebody investigate this international
child kidnapping ring being operated by the CIA. Why are
these congressmen voting on bills like the Patriot Act which
takes away many of our constitutions rights and civil liberties
in the best interests of quote, protection for our country
and protection from the terrace. Let me tell you something,
ladies and gentlemen, there are people in our government, a
rogue outfit whatever. I'm not sure who are actually behind
these terrorist acts. And the reason they're behind the terrorist
acts is so they can pass bills like the Patriot Act.
And the reason the Congressmen and the Senators vote for
these stupid bills, stupid by our terms and our definition,
is because they've been many of them have been set
up and framed through sex and drugs. So then we
have Oklahoma City. In nineteen ninety five, I personally made
two trips to Oklahoma City. I investigated Oklahoma City because
of my report. The defense attorney for Timothy O. McVeigh
two of his investigators to interview me. I spent four
hours with them. Actually, I got a lot of information
out of them. For example, they told me that they
were allowed to tour the remains of the Murror Building
in Oklahoma City in the presence of a US marshal,
but they were not allowed under any circumstances to take
soil samples or to pick up any evidence for examination.
Stephen Jones was their turning. I heard that they were
going to tear down the building. Now you can trace
bombs through what they call the taggets, the chemicals. When
I heard this, I called John DeCamp. I said, John,
we've got to prevent that building from coming down. And
I actually called an outfit in Chicago, the Pat Kennedy Group,
who were specialists in examining the evidence of this type.
And John called mcveigh's attorney, Jones, and because John had
a client he was represented who was involved in the case,
Jones said, I'll handle the paper, we'll have a hearing.
We will prevent that building from coming down. The next
thing we heard the building was coming down. John called Jones,
what's going on? And he had no good answer for it.
That was evidence. I've been at many a crime scene
and it is critical that the evidence be preserved. That
was a huge cover of McVeigh wrote a letter to
his sister. McVeigh was in Special Forces. The government says,
military says, oh no, he flunked out. He didn't flunk out.
He was recruited out of Special Forces, according to him,
a letter he wrote to his sister to be trained
to be a CIA assassin and also to work for
the CIA International Drug Operation, both against the competition and
for the CIA pro drug people. McVeigh was, in my opinion,
m chaultra mind control victim. He was visited in prison
in Oklahoma and in Colorado by doctor Jolly West. This
was secret, by the way, I happened to find out
because I made some phone calls to the right people.
Jolly West was one of the foremost leaders, along with
Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA's MK Ultra mind control operation.
Why would somebody like Jolly westco interview McVeigh not only
in Oklahoma but also in Colorado during the trial because
he was a mind control victim himself. At one time,
it was reported, I think in the US News and
Will report that McVeigh had a microchip in his buttocks.
Our military reportedly had been using microchips to keep track
of their soldiers. The bomb in the truck allegedly was
a fertilizer bomb. The government first announced that it was
a fifteen hundred pound bomb, and then a twenty five
hundred pound bomb, and I think it ended up being
forty eight hundred pounds. That bomb that was in the
truck destroyed half the building. A forty eight hundred pound
fertilizer bomb ammonia nitrate fertilizer bomb dissipates and did not
have the PENTI The possibility of destroying that much of
the building. After the Oklahoma City bomb went off, I
had a call from a friend of mine, Michael Reconnaisseuto.
For those of you who are making notes, looked up
in the internet, ri Co Nsciuto Michael Reconnaisseudo. I've been
working with Michael since the early nineteen eighty eighty two.
That's when I first met him. He was a CIA
agent operative for some two decades. He was also an
FBI in format At one time. His father owned the
Hercules Manufacturing Silicone Valley, California. Hercules Manufacturing developed what is
known as the electro Hydrodynamic Gaseous Fuel device, which is
a highly classified bomb. The bomb was actually manufactured by
dinnand o'bill out of Salt Lake City. Now, Michael the meantime,
is in jail now right today. In fact, I talked
to him yesterday because he started to talk before the
Books Committee about a very interesting case involving the Promised Software.
The promised software was in a computer operation that developed
all kinds of intelligence information on you and I and
every citizen in America. The Department of Justice leased it
for two years. At the end of two years, they
refused to pay Bill and Nancy Hamilton the ten million
dollars they owed him. Then the Department of Justice, through
Earl Bryan Best, president of the United Press International, took
that computer and sold it around the world, so that
to the French, to the English, Israelis, Canadians, unknown excuse me,
unknown to these foreign countries, the officials in these foreign countries.
There was a trapdoor in the computer. Very clever HU.
A trapdoor secretly allowed US, the US government, to retrieve
all the information they developed. Michael Raconnoisseur was the CIAgent
who developed the trap door in the promised software computer.
And when Congress started to investigate it in the late
nineteen eighties, they called on Michael and we want you
to testify. Michael received a threatening phone call two weeks
before he was to testify. He claimed from a fellow
name VITNICKX Peter Vitnix, US Department of Justice. If you testify,
you'll be sorry. Michael testified anyway. A few weeks later
was arrested for drugs is now serving a thirty year
prison sentence because he dared to expose these nefarious activities
by this rogue criminal enterprise operating within the confines of
the US government. I got off little on I gave
you a little background on Michael going back to Oklahoma City. Now,
I want you to understand who Michael is. He's not
some guy walking down the street with a grocer basket
looking for a recycling center. Okay, he has credibility. Now,
Michael called me right after the Oklahoma City bomb went
off and he said, ted, he called from prison, By
the way, that's my bomb, meaning that Hercules developed him.
That was not a pneumonia nitrate bomb. Now, when that
bomb was tested in nineteen eighty two, I happened to
be with a group of intelligence agents in Palm Springs
waiting for the results of that test. It was tested
in every fifty one. It was underestimated because the power
it was so powerful that two of the technicians die.
They underestimated the strength of it. I'll call a barometric bomb.
This barometric bomb, according to Michael, was what was in
the car, not a fertilizer bomb. I have an Oklahoma
City report on that. So what did I do as
an investigator? Well, I went to the piccaninny Arsenal in
New Jersey, and I gave him the contract number which
I obtained through a science magazine. One of my associates
actually did the research on that, and I gave the
pic Tenny Arsenal contract number. This is public available to
the public, by the way, and the pic co Tenny
Arsenal came back and said there's no such contractor, even
though I had the contractman. But by the way, that's
documented in my report. And I went to Dinahobell, who
I knew manufactured it, and they didn't even bother to respond.
It's interesting to note that a Dina Nobel expert witness
testified at the grand jury when they indicted McVeigh in
September of nineteen ninety five, some five or six months
after the nineteenth of April nineteen ninety five, Oklahoma City.
In September, there was a I lost my trend that
thought there for a minute. Oh, there was an article
in Fireman's Magazine. It was written by the editor of
Fireman's Magazine. The information was obtained from the Oklahoma City
Fire Department, and in that article, again that's in my report.
In that article it states that four unexploded devices were
taken out of the building when people were in the
building after the bomb dying. They discontinued the rescue efforts
for some five hours while they carried out a bunch
of government files, men in blue suits of some sort sweatsuits.
So what I'm telling you is Oklahoma City was perpetrated
by certainly people other than McVeigh and Nichols and now
Roger Moore. If you read the paper recently, the gun
dealer who claims that he was robbed of his gun's
in Arkansas and that that money was used to finance
Oklahoma City bombing. Roger Moore has been accused by Terry
Nichols of being involved in it. Roger Moore denies it.
Roger Moore at the time the Oaklhoma City bombing was
an f behind formant. I had an insight investigator in
Oklahoma City tell me that there were at least eleven
other individuals involved in Oklahoma City, Okay. That brings us up.
We've gone through Pearl Harbor, Waco, Ruby Ridge carbombed ninety three,
Oklahoma City ninety five. That brings us up to nine
one one. As I said, Michael's in prison, I'm his
quote investigator of record, which means I'm like an attorney.
I should have access to him on a regular basis.
I represent this man for a year prior to nine
one one, actually a year and a half. I tried
to get in and see Michael. He was in prison
in northern Pennsylvania. I was in the Philadelphia area. The
Bureau of Prisons would not allow me to see him.
Finally I was able to talk to Michael. In January
two thousand and three. I flew to the East Coast
spent three days with him. Michael told me that he
had developed information from among his contacts in advance of
nine to one one that they were going involved in
using missiles, airplane missiles, and they were going involved in skyjackings,
they were training Arab terras. And also he knew the
identity of the person in the United States, an Arab
who lived in Patterson, New Jersey, who was the leader
of terrorist activity by the Arabs in this country. Now
Michael had this information, because you're saying, how can Michael
develop this information being in prison, Because I met with
Osama van Laden, along with Michael, and along with the
State Department representative in the spring of nineteen eighty six.
At that time, I was contacted by former top Reagan
Ronnie Reagan official, who said, can we help the Afghan rebels?
They were our friends in and I called Michael. I
said what do you think and he said, let's meet.
So there was a fourth fellow there. We didn't know
at the time. It was Osama Vian lad has actually
used the name tim Osmon to travel under Turkish passport.
But because of Michael, I passed the ball to him.
I just arranged for the meeting and went on. But
Michael traveled all over the world putting this package together,
furnished the Afghan rebels with the surfaced air missiles that
defeated the Soviets, really shot down their helicopters. As a
result of this, Michael developed sources inside the Arab world,
and that's how Michael knew in advance about nine one one.
Michael told the FBI on March the twentieth, two thousand
and one about this plan to use Skyjack aeroplanes and
use them as missiles. He also furnished to the FBI
one of his sources, one of his confidential sources inside
the Arab group. The FBI interviewed him, threatened him with prosecution,
and deported him. That man, along with his family had disappeared.
We think that they're dead. The FBI refuse, absolutely refused
to look into this situation. More shocking is that Michael
had the names of the people who were obtaining the
false names of the people the Arabs who were obtaining
false passports had their names. He had the source who
could furnish them that information. He told fbij Keith Coutrie
March the twentieth, nineteen ninety, two thousand and one. Excuse me,
he told, Coutrie, says, I'll give you these names, the
name of this person who was coordinating the whole project
for the Arabs, providing I be given immunity and he'd
be given immunity. Mister Coutrie, in spite of the fact
he was armed with this information six months prior to
nine to one one, came back two days after nine
one one on the thirteenth and saw Michael in prison again,
accused Michael of be an anti government NIFBI, being a
publicity seeker and sold forth being disloyal, and so Michael
of course didn't have much to say after that. Michaels
still in prison. As I said, but we had this information.
The FBI, this information did nothing with it. Coutry admitted
on March September the thirteenth, admitted that the FBI did
nothing with it. So after I visited Michael excuse me,
two thousand and three, I felt it was important that
I confirmed that the FBI did meet with him. The
Bureau Prisons would not furnish Michael with the visitor's list
to confirm it, and so I started writing letters to
the FBI through Senator George Allen, Oh, thank you, thank you,
and to confirm that he did in fact meet with him.
I wanted to document it. I also asked for the
identity of the other agent who with the agent Kutrie
and I had a terrible time. It took me a
year and a half writing letters for the FBI to
get them to admit that they'd interviewed Michael on marsh
A twenty two thousand and one. I finally did have
that information. That information is available again in one of
my reports, my terrorism report that I have in the bag.
So that basically brings me up to the present time.
I think my time is up, but I feel compelled.
As a former FBI agent, I had all this training,
and I feel compelled to do everything I can to
educate as many fellow Americans as I can as to
what's going on behind the scenes. We have being operated
and orchestrated primarily by US military intelligence covert Criminal Prize
involving the FBI and the CIA acting in this country today.
It's being covered up right from the beginning. They're using
FBI informants. They've set up and framed people. By the way,
they've tried to frame me on a drug deal back
in nineteen eighty four and didn't work. The girl that
they used to try to frame me contacted me said
I need to meet with you. We met, she told
me the whole story. I took a signed statement from her.
Her name was Pam Fossa, and I said to Pam,
I said, Pam, you're working for these people, the DEA
and the FBI and Modesto. By the way, she was
making phone calls to me, I said, you're working with
these people trying to set me up. Why have you?
And of course in the phone calls, she kept sitting
trying to get me to make admissions that had knowledge
of a felony, and I wouldn't. I said, I don't
have any knowledge of that or it was involved in
a felony. Actually said, Pam, Look, you were working with
these people for six months. They gave you two thousand dollars,
You had the run of the FBI office, you had
your own coffee cup. Why did you come to me
and tell me this now? And I'd helped her give
her a little advice about her fourteen year old son
in the interim, you know, talking back and forth as
any individual would do who might be able to help,
And she said, Ted, I woke up the other morning
and I realized you're the only honest son of a
bitch I've talked to in six months. Those were her
exact words. The FBI, I only tried to set me
up on a drug deal. They've also I've also been
the victim of four separate investigations. They tried to set
me up on a fraud case in Denver, in Dallas,
and most recently, very frankly, I've been under survey. It's
heavy surveillance, as I've had illegal entries into my car,
into my apartment. There's been attempts to gas me within
the last month, and I was able to anticipate it
and avoid it. But they don't want people like me
out telling the truth, and that's what I'm doing and
I will not stop. I will continue to do so
in the future. So that's basically it. I brought you
from seventeen seventy six to the present time, we went
through one conspiracy after another. Brian Gimble was interviewing Jim Nichols,
Terry Nichols's brother, on National TV after the Oklahoma City bombing,
by the way, and I had given Jim Nichols my
Oklahoma City bombing report, and Jim said to Brian Gumble,
He says, have you did at Ted Gunnerson's Oklahoma City report?
And Gumba says, oh, Ted Gunnerson's a conspiracy theorist. I
want you to know I'm not. I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
I'm a conspiracy realist. It is there. All you have
to do is get your own website, get your own Internet,
go out. There's a lot of disinformation out there, but
you can pick out what's really solid and what's really truthful.
And I have twenty five years of researcher on that
back table back there, And if you buy any my reports,
or this video tape or any of my material, I
want you to make a promise that you will make
copies and distribute it foreign mind. We need to wake
up America right now. Let me emphasize again, I'm not
anti American. I don't believe in violence. I believe in
change through legal means. But we need to wake up
an apathetic, sleeping society that is active in America today.
And this not only ties into a mchaotist CIA, that
ties into Satanism. There are approximately four million practicing Satanists
in America today involved in the Nebraska case. And I
go on about Satanic cults for another hour, but I
think my time is almost up. I might mention that,
speaking of Satanism, there are between fifty and sixty thousand
human sacrifices, according to three different sources, in this country
every year. The Satanic cults operate secretly. The Satanic cults are,
along with our covert criminal enterprise within the government, serious
threat to our society. And I thank you very much.
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