Speaker 1: Heylus to Commander Who Go Podcast Episode four sixty. I'm
Speaker 1: brand O. I'm here with Ryan and we're gonna break
Speaker 1: the glass with zimone colts leave Austin three sixty now
Speaker 1: and our tan. Hey Ryan, we're back for yet another
Speaker 1: whirlwind adventure. How you doing good? What is going down?
Speaker 1: Whole bunch is going down. We're back together. After you
Speaker 1: were in Toronto and I was at ed H and
Speaker 1: M and also getting totally stomped at Dusk Moore and
Speaker 1: sealed that game M. We got some stories to tell,
Speaker 1: some people to thank, some other stuff to talk about.
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Speaker 1: Again like the Undertaker again again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so wanted to mention all of that. Got a
Speaker 2: little bit of podcasting business, a couple little stories and
Speaker 2: some questions because this deck's gonna go by pretty quickly,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's cool though. Yeah, the story behind it
Speaker 1: is the reason why I think that we're doing it.
Speaker 1: And the name. The name is really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very much. So we're gonna talk about the deck
Speaker 2: in a second. It is uh, well, we'll let the
Speaker 2: cat out of the bag. It's Zomone Mystery Unraveler.
Speaker 1: For those of you who were watching our reviews of
Speaker 1: the pre cons from this particular set a couple episodes ago, right,
Speaker 1: we said this was the shittiest one and we were right,
Speaker 1: but a member of the nation did take it upon
Speaker 1: himself to come up with a super cool list that
Speaker 1: he thought that both of us would enjoy and then
Speaker 1: send it off to us. And he did and we do.
Speaker 1: So we're got to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll start with this then, my little bit of
Speaker 2: a recap of Command Fest Toronto last weekend. I did
Speaker 2: a full recap like like we usually do when we go.
Speaker 2: I did that on Commander at Populum because I was
Speaker 2: the only one there. Big thanks to producer Gary for
Speaker 2: starting the thing. So you can see the uh the
Speaker 2: thing if you're watching on YouTube, which should yeah very
Speaker 2: much so you'll see the Commander ad Populum screen behind
Speaker 2: me now that the twoke isn't here to block them
Speaker 2: half the screen. But I did a recap there. But
Speaker 2: I wanted to say that the Simic pre Con was
Speaker 2: not the last one to be sold out.
Speaker 1: What was the last one? I am genuinely heurious.
Speaker 2: The last one to sell out was the Gulgari one.
Speaker 2: That was the one that we had the for the
Speaker 2: longest time. Throughout the weekend, I worked at the prize
Speaker 2: wall with face to face games sure and got to
Speaker 2: do like when people cash out their prize tickets at
Speaker 2: the end of the weekend. Yep, and oh man, so
Speaker 2: much actual fun to do. It was work, but I
Speaker 2: like to work, right, so and most of what I
Speaker 2: had to do was like seeded work unless I couldn't
Speaker 2: reach something. So it was great for being on crutches
Speaker 2: with my stupid broken leg, right, but giving out play
Speaker 2: mats and cashing in prize tickets for singles or or
Speaker 2: for like sealed product or pre condex and stuff, you
Speaker 2: know how it's all merchandized. I got to set all
Speaker 2: that up to make it look like the way if
Speaker 2: I was walking up to the booth how I think
Speaker 2: it should should look, right, like all the biggest ticket
Speaker 2: items and the old pre cons and the real baller
Speaker 2: shit like up on top, you know, yeah, right, And
Speaker 2: then all the singles in the showcase, all labeled with
Speaker 2: however many tickets they cost. And then all the booster
Speaker 2: packs and sealed product and stuff. Man, I convinced so
Speaker 2: many people to pick up with price tickets. They're Lord
Speaker 2: of the Rings collector holiday edition booster packs. It was
Speaker 2: the most expensive single booster pack on the wall, if
Speaker 2: you don't count the the thirtieth Anniversary Beta repacks, because
Speaker 2: those aren't even you can't even pick those up as
Speaker 2: single packs. They had sealed versions of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Jesus.
Speaker 2: So the Lord of the Rings Holiday Edition, I sold
Speaker 2: a bunch of single packs to people and this is
Speaker 2: my favorite. This is my favorite sell up of the weekend.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day.
Speaker 2: But he comes over and he's like, man, this that
Speaker 2: I wanted they got bought up. He wanted like some
Speaker 2: Judge foils or whatever, and the pre con that I
Speaker 2: want is gone because it's like the end and end
Speaker 2: of the day on Sunday, of course they're gone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I sold some Lord of the Rings pre cons. Right,
Speaker 2: So this guy comes and he's like, what should I do?
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to gamble on this or that now,
Speaker 2: but that's gone too. And I'm like, I point to
Speaker 2: where I was sitting. Right above me is the Lord
Speaker 2: of the Rings holiday packs and he's like, how much
Speaker 2: are they? I'm like, how many tickets you got? Because
Speaker 2: I took all of them and I gave him five
Speaker 2: collector packs.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of tick.
Speaker 2: That's lots. That's like a seventy dollars booster pack. Seventy well,
Speaker 2: he won a tournament. He won, like like a modern
Speaker 2: like qualifier tournament or something. He won like four thousand.
Speaker 1: Tickets and he cashed him in just.
Speaker 2: Like at Ruckers Baby. So he comes up, he gets
Speaker 2: these things. He gets five tickets, and I got him
Speaker 2: to pick. There were seven packs in the box. He
Speaker 2: picked five, and he got fucking pounded, got pounded on everyone.
Speaker 2: The most expensive card he opened was like a like
Speaker 2: a pooster watcher in the water foil, which fine is
Speaker 2: like a thirty five dollars card. Forty dollars card. You
Speaker 2: wouldn't hate to open that out of a booster pack.
Speaker 1: That's great, to open an a one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: dollars pack, that's perfect. Pounded.
Speaker 2: So last card, last pack, poster won ring Baby, and
Speaker 2: he's like what.
Speaker 1: He's like banging the table, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he shakes my hand. He's like, man, best
Speaker 2: decision of the weekend. I think, like the deck I
Speaker 2: played and then I won, and then I spent you know,
Speaker 2: four thousand, like four hundred dollars worth of prize tickets
Speaker 2: on you know, four hundred dollars worth of packs or whatever.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I got a five hundred dollars card
Speaker 2: out of it?
Speaker 1: Did you hit him over the head with a sock
Speaker 1: full of sand and take the card for yourself?
Speaker 2: I didn't, come on, man, Well, what was I supposed
Speaker 2: to do? Run away from all his friends? He had
Speaker 2: like three bros with him.
Speaker 1: You had a whole gang.
Speaker 2: Well, I suppose, but they're all they're all magic nerds.
Speaker 1: These guys were big.
Speaker 2: I only have one leg.
Speaker 1: You could probably still run, though I.
Speaker 2: Did threaten to harpoon people with my crutches if they
Speaker 2: ran off with my stuff.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: So that was my one story. I I I played
Speaker 2: some Chaos Sealed. It was I got a booster, a
Speaker 2: collector pack of Dusk Morn Sure, and then I got
Speaker 2: a play booster of Bloomborough and then I had a.
Speaker 1: Like a draft booster of nineteen and it was like.
Speaker 2: In a Chorea pack or something. Didn't even lose a game,
Speaker 2: didn't even take damage. One game, Wow, fricking took everybody's
Speaker 2: deck that I beat playing fucking keeps, bitch, didn't even
Speaker 2: lose a card. So that's that's that's how we roll.
Speaker 2: When I'm not playing Commander, I love to play limited
Speaker 2: for keeps because what am I gonna do with the
Speaker 2: cards in Leicster're yours. I'm gonna keep yours, probably gonna
Speaker 2: get recycled, keep yours forever, though. So I wanted to
Speaker 2: tell those kinds of stories because those are the kinds
Speaker 2: of things we're gonna be doing at the CEO Experience Calgary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, buddy, and I know that you're excited. I am.
Speaker 2: The venue is relatively close to your favorite restaurant and bar.
Speaker 1: On the Earth, and we're gonna drink it in Calgary
Speaker 1: on the Earth. You know what, Well, you haven't been
Speaker 1: to everyone of the Earth, well, all the ones that
Speaker 1: I've been to on Earth.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. Every time I think, wow, jeez, brand,
Speaker 2: it's a CECO Experience. So many people, let's like, let's
Speaker 2: do something together. I don't want to go to the
Speaker 2: Unicorn that's the name of it. Yeah, and wait in
Speaker 2: line or it's so noisy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then I think it's worth it.
Speaker 2: They got the Twisted Horn, they get the Twisted Horn beer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna drink like seven of them.
Speaker 1: Absolutely you are, yeah, m hm, not even gonna feel
Speaker 1: bad about it? No, Yeah, so that's good.
Speaker 2: That's coming up. Planning has officially taken off. I am
Speaker 2: going to send out a message to all of our
Speaker 2: active patrons. We've got a channel set up in the
Speaker 2: discord for Calgary specifically, I've tagged you in a couple
Speaker 2: things with like lists of people that are confirmed so far.
Speaker 1: That's fun.
Speaker 2: So if you're a Patreon supporter and you want to
Speaker 2: get in on Calgary or be a part of it
Speaker 2: in some way, even if you're not gonna like stay
Speaker 2: in the house with us, because it's pretty full and
Speaker 2: they don't have airbnna is big enough for all of us.
Speaker 2: So if you want to be involved in some way,
Speaker 2: let me know. Reach out Twitter, Facebook, Messenger, Discord, patron
Speaker 2: email and we can get you involved, even if it's
Speaker 2: like part of the This isn't official yet, but I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say it on the show anyways.
Speaker 1: I urge them.
Speaker 2: I want to try and make like a special CEO
Speaker 2: experience package through the tournament organizer, so when you get
Speaker 2: to the event, you're a CEO person and they all
Speaker 2: know it and they give you your special pack, then
Speaker 2: I don't have to organize like packs and open flippies
Speaker 2: and special products and merch that I want to give
Speaker 2: out for this exclusive event. I just want them to
Speaker 2: handle it all and then and then we can do
Speaker 2: what we do, which is playing magic and drink beer. Man.
Speaker 1: I love playing magic and drinking beer. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: sure playing magic and drinking beer right now.
Speaker 2: Well, hey, right after we're gonna talk about magic, and
Speaker 2: then after we're gonna.
Speaker 1: We're gonna drink the stunt beer.
Speaker 2: We are gonna drink these stunt beers because we're gonna
Speaker 2: get some new ones and show off some new pile
Speaker 2: of bones product.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope it's the fruit Loop beer. I talk
Speaker 1: about that all the time. I hope that because then.
Speaker 2: I'll have Yeah, f you g Off was that Well
Speaker 2: this was like a year ago, but the last time
Speaker 2: I saw him he was drinking. He was drinking fruit
Speaker 2: Loop beer. It's good, Yeah, I have I've never actually
Speaker 2: tried it.
Speaker 1: You didn't even try it when we were at the brewery.
Speaker 2: No. I got ones that I knew I liked already,
Speaker 2: and usually we don't like the same kind of beer,
Speaker 2: so I did not try it. Man. Anyways, speaking of
Speaker 2: things that I do like, Okay, we have a new
Speaker 2: slash returning Patreon supporter.
Speaker 1: Making new friends is something that we like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is an old friend that came back. Okay,
Speaker 2: she didn't want to be our friend for all that
Speaker 2: a while. Now she does.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's nice.
Speaker 2: Okay, as long as she's my friend currently. This is
Speaker 2: Angelica Simpson.
Speaker 1: Like Angelica Jinks, I don't miss Angelica drinks. Nope, it's
Speaker 1: a fire Stars nickname who's Firestar is a spider Man's
Speaker 1: College roommate.
Speaker 2: Spider Man's College roommates, dogs, veterinarians, cousin yep, like that,
Speaker 2: Angelica Star. I want to see pictures of Angelica Star.
Speaker 2: That's what I want.
Speaker 1: See. That's a dirty reference I do get because star
Speaker 1: can mean buttle.
Speaker 2: I think they got it good.
Speaker 1: Okay was I just for those of you that didn't
Speaker 1: get it. Now you have it now and you may
Speaker 1: do with it what you will.
Speaker 2: Angelica Star okay very much so. Yeah, and she is
Speaker 2: coming to Calgary, Hell, yeah, she is. She is going
Speaker 2: to have her first Cecio experience and open some booster
Speaker 2: packs and eat some food. Maybe she'll get some twisted horns.
Speaker 2: That's a beer, not a euphemism, correct, though.
Speaker 1: It could be. It could be no king shaving in
Speaker 1: the nation. Yeah, no, absolutely said it's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the thing. And yeah, I think I think
Speaker 2: that's mostly.
Speaker 1: You want to get twisted horns in your star? You
Speaker 1: do you man?
Speaker 2: I I kind of do. I kind of do. Is
Speaker 2: that that's like that's like saying I want to butt
Speaker 2: chug it right?
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that. Hey, where's when's the
Speaker 2: next BBO on the CCOYDC coming up? I just saw
Speaker 2: the picture.
Speaker 1: Oh it's coming up in let me think.
Speaker 2: It's Brando's box opening.
Speaker 1: Today when people are listening to this is going to
Speaker 1: be like the seventh So it's a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: still because I'm waiting on the dust more in a
Speaker 1: collector edition bundle.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The TV ones yep.
Speaker 2: I had those in my hand, but we were not
Speaker 2: allowed to sell them. They got shipped to the command
Speaker 2: Fest by accident. And they're like, oh my god, we're
Speaker 2: not even supposed to have these.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you know what, I would have all of them,
Speaker 1: all of them, just what is this crime? And they
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, this is crime. We can't have these.
Speaker 1: And then they put them in the back and then
Speaker 1: I take them out of the back and put them
Speaker 1: in the car.
Speaker 2: And yes, I did think of that. But being the upstanding,
Speaker 2: upstanding citizen that I am, I.
Speaker 1: See that's why I wouldn't take one of us. You
Speaker 1: should have both of us, because Ryan's an upstanding citizen
Speaker 1: and I'm an degenerate piece of shit. Put together, we
Speaker 1: balance each other out where I pull him down to
Speaker 1: my level and he lifts me up out of the mud.
Speaker 1: So we're you know, we're fine. Seven out of ten.
Speaker 2: While speaking of seven out of ten and in the mud,
Speaker 2: we've got a deck by mister Hunter mackenzie and he
Speaker 2: sent in this, this zimone deck. Not the pre con,
Speaker 2: not even anywhere close. Have you run into any precons yet? Yes,
Speaker 2: we talked about it a little bit yesterday, a little bit
Speaker 2: of a pre show, So give us a little reminder
Speaker 2: if you want the full, the full pre con deal,
Speaker 2: as well as our thoughts on the bannings again the
Speaker 2: RC and WATSI and the commander bracket kind of rules
Speaker 2: zero thing that they're developing all yesterday on the CECO
Speaker 2: pre show.
Speaker 1: I think there's an audio only version of that as well.
Speaker 2: There is it is like what was it the Pretty
Speaker 2: sucary thirty four minutes again long pre show is over
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Lots of conversation happened there yet stuff. I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I was there, and I would know. I bumped into
Speaker 1: two of them, one of them twice. So there was
Speaker 1: the red black one, and it basically performed the way
Speaker 1: that we thought it would a.
Speaker 2: Semons and damage all the time.
Speaker 1: Right, it's supposed to do damage to opponents on their turn,
Speaker 1: but it seemed to do mainly damage on the deck's turn,
Speaker 1: which didn't really help it do the thing that it
Speaker 1: wanted to do. And the other one was the enchantment deck,
Speaker 1: the Amanatu one saw that one two times one game.
Speaker 1: The built in infinite combo went off, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that person went no, no.
Speaker 1: Actually we managed to get him in and get back
Speaker 1: around to him, put a win con, put an infinite
Speaker 1: win con in mind. Hey watsie, I'll show you. It
Speaker 1: doesn't even get there. So but it did again, kind
Speaker 1: of the same gimmick where it's only got like eighteen
Speaker 1: enchantment sentence. It's a miracle if you draw one to
Speaker 1: miracle it into play. It was not not impressive.
Speaker 2: That's fine, that's fine. So today we've got zimone zimone
Speaker 2: called Sleeve.
Speaker 1: Austin, which is the one that we said was the worst. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and at the least bought according to run No.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, And I don't know, maybe it's just because
Speaker 2: it was I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1: What's in the paint, what's in the ractose one that
Speaker 1: everybody wants. I'm genuinely curious. They put it down in
Speaker 1: the comments if you know, because I don't know, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious. I saw a couple of the new
Speaker 1: cards get played that this suspend removal spell, the black
Speaker 1: one really good. That was a really really good card
Speaker 1: in that game that we played at it. You know what,
Speaker 1: kill a thing that suspended for three turns and it
Speaker 1: comes back kills a thing. Very powerful card, very very good.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at the prices of all the cards,
Speaker 2: and right off the bat, nothing's jumping out at me, like,
Speaker 2: nothing's jumping out at me as being overtly crazy expensive
Speaker 2: unless I'm just not seeing it.
Speaker 1: Ketterick parasites the most pricey thing, and.
Speaker 2: That's at yeah from Shards of Lara, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know that sometimes like like the Bloomber or pre
Speaker 2: cons have those the level up spells like artists, Talent Talent,
Speaker 2: the talent level up cards. Those ones are pre con
Speaker 2: exclusives and they don't have like wide screen versions or
Speaker 2: extra art versions to be put into the wide screen
Speaker 2: slots in the collector packs, so they can only appear
Speaker 2: in the in the pre con or in the two
Speaker 2: pre con slots in the collector pack, not the pre
Speaker 2: con slots and the wide screen slots in the.
Speaker 1: In the there's only one Comman Collector boost.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I was expecting to.
Speaker 1: There isn't an extended art version of something. It probably
Speaker 1: doesn't show up there. I will, but I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're hard to get it.
Speaker 2: And that's what the talents are there. They're hard to
Speaker 2: get because there's no wide screen version of them and
Speaker 2: that's why certain pre cons are have like a twenty
Speaker 2: dollars card and because you can't open them in collectors.
Speaker 2: I was looking to see if that was the case
Speaker 2: in this Dusk Morn one, but it really isn't. No,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know why. Anyways, we're not
Speaker 2: talking about Dusk Moore precons. We've covered those in the past.
Speaker 2: Sleeve Austin, I'm gonna give this commander a read. Okay,
Speaker 2: as soon as I can find the fucking tabits on there, okay.
Speaker 2: Zimone Mystery Unraveler three to three, Human Wizard, Blue Green
Speaker 2: two Landfall. Whenever a land you control enters battlefield, manifest dread.
Speaker 2: If this is the first time this ability is resolved. Now,
Speaker 2: I think we got this a little bit wrong in
Speaker 2: the review. Suky you manifest dread. If it's the first
Speaker 2: time the abilities resolved, every other land that comes into
Speaker 2: play does something different. Okay, so manifest dread on the
Speaker 2: first one. Otherwise you may turn a face down permanent
Speaker 2: face up sure, okay, so play my land, play my
Speaker 2: misty rainforest, manifest dread.
Speaker 1: Do it.
Speaker 2: I've got ten face down creatures on the battlefield. Crack,
Speaker 2: get a forest, turn one of them, face up, dope
Speaker 2: cultivate or Kodama's Reach or rampant growth deal, turn another
Speaker 2: one face up, yeah, ah growth Spiral. Put a land
Speaker 2: from my hand onto the battlefield, turn another one face
Speaker 2: up hell yeah yeah, Now I would.
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but I.
Speaker 2: Think that we said something like, oh, well, you could
Speaker 2: just make like those face down creatures be things like
Speaker 2: ulamg right and and Causelek and well you still can
Speaker 2: you still can not what we're doing today?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is one hundred percent still something that
Speaker 1: you could do.
Speaker 2: And for that reason, I think that this deck has
Speaker 2: a little bit of a higher power output than initially
Speaker 2: we thought, because when you look at it in the
Speaker 2: pre con, they're not putting eighty and one hundred dollars
Speaker 2: l drowsy into the deck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which they I mean they probably could.
Speaker 2: Well, they probably could drive the price down then and
Speaker 2: then if it gets it's not gonna be as big
Speaker 2: of a deal. Ah see, jeweled lotus in every precon.
Speaker 1: See not anymore though anymore. It wouldn't it be cool
Speaker 1: if they announced the unbanning by saying it's gonna be
Speaker 1: in every pre con ever.
Speaker 2: Fuck, that would be so cool, man, that that would
Speaker 2: be Watsy trucking around their nuts in a dump truck. Hey, like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna put this. We're not putting command towers in
Speaker 2: your pre cons anymore, just for like the next four years,
Speaker 2: because every command tower is going to be replaced with
Speaker 2: a jeweled lotus.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, we're unbanning it.
Speaker 2: Oh man, everybody would go crazy.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: I saw guy rip a, I saw guy open up
Speaker 2: a collector pack Commander Masters, pulled a jewel lotus foil, What.
Speaker 1: Do you do with it? Tried to trade it in.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't take it. I'm not even shitting you. He
Speaker 2: walked from the prize wall to the buying cell station
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, we're not taking it right now,
Speaker 2: too volatile, whatever whatever the case is. Right now, he
Speaker 2: goes they wouldn't take it. Everybody laughs. He's like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to get it graded. So he went paid and
Speaker 2: got it grated.
Speaker 1: Good for that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a dad and a kid. The kid
Speaker 2: felt bad because he spent all his prize tickets on
Speaker 2: one pack, and he's like, oh, I got like a
Speaker 2: couple of commons that I played, and then the dad
Speaker 2: got full art jewel or a foiled jeweled lotus. And
Speaker 2: the dad's like, no, I got hose buddy. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: So we aren't doing this super top end deck.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, We're.
Speaker 2: Doing something a little bit different that I very much appreciate,
Speaker 2: and I like to call it Peepee are persistent petitioners.
Speaker 2: My favorite card, the card that I've signed probably more
Speaker 2: times than any other card, probably probably usually get the
Speaker 2: brash taunter.
Speaker 1: I do. There's one in front. If you're watching on YouTube,
Speaker 1: you can see one. Yeah against my beer can here
Speaker 1: thanks to my buddy, uh pizza. Yeah, I hung out
Speaker 1: with him at the after party, like all night jealous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, drink beer. Well he had to drive, so he'd
Speaker 2: like drink water. But and coffee, big coffee drinker. Anyways.
Speaker 2: Persistent petitioners my favorite card producer, Gary's probably never seen one.
Speaker 1: What a nube.
Speaker 2: It's a one three human advisor for Blue one one
Speaker 2: tap target player mills a card neat target player, target
Speaker 2: player mind.
Speaker 1: You could target yourself if you want, and I do want.
Speaker 2: Also you can tap four untapped advisors you control target
Speaker 2: player mills twelve cards.
Speaker 1: Lots of cards.
Speaker 2: That's lots of cards. Oh you're so enthralled, yawn and sorry,
Speaker 2: so it's late.
Speaker 1: It's late.
Speaker 2: A deck can have any number of cards named persistent petitioners.
Speaker 1: And we're playing twenty six of them.
Speaker 2: That's why this deck deck is gonna go fast. So
Speaker 2: we're twenty six of those.
Speaker 1: We're playing that card that Ryan just read YEP twenty
Speaker 1: six times. Yes, excellent.
Speaker 2: I love cards that you can do that with me too.
Speaker 2: We've got one in every color now, right, we don't
Speaker 2: have an artifact one?
Speaker 1: No? Well good? Yeah, maybe good?
Speaker 2: Maybe just make it dark steel Frickin' relic.
Speaker 1: It probably costs zero.
Speaker 2: And be indestructible to nothing.
Speaker 1: It's a zero one indestructible with defender that you can
Speaker 1: have as many of them as you.
Speaker 2: Want that would be miserable to play against.
Speaker 1: Sure would Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, so persistent petitioners times twenty six, we can tap
Speaker 2: them and mill our opponents twelve.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: Sure, that's that's fine. Okay, then we've got a I'm
Speaker 2: just going to do the advisors section, and mask Wood
Speaker 2: Nexus creatures you control are are every creature type. So
Speaker 2: they're all advisors now and you can go three tap
Speaker 2: put a two to two blue shape Shifter Token Changeling
Speaker 2: Advisor into play.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the things that that's also true of creatures
Speaker 1: that you have in your band and on the stack,
Speaker 1: like with mask Wood Nexus that turns things into advisors.
Speaker 1: Yeah at all times. Yeah, that is relevant sometimes.
Speaker 2: Like when we have this next card called Arcane Adaptation
Speaker 2: and Enchantment for Bluetoo enters the battlefield, you choose a
Speaker 2: creature type YEP advisor creatures you control are the chosen
Speaker 2: type in addition to the other types. The same is
Speaker 2: true for creature spells. You control creature spells on the
Speaker 2: battlefield that aren't on the battlefield everywhere, right.
Speaker 1: So everything's advisor more advisors.
Speaker 2: All the time. Yes, Now, he's kind of got funny
Speaker 2: funny Uh, it's kind of got funny names for names
Speaker 2: for the categories. But I want to go to the
Speaker 2: ramp and removal and get the get the still get
Speaker 2: the stuff right. Okay, so ramp, you want to read these,
Speaker 2: you gotta make the bigger.
Speaker 1: You gotta make them big so I can see him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do, because I like make the ramp section.
Speaker 2: Make him big daddy.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, starting there too big, Come on, it's that
Speaker 1: way I can see them all so I can just
Speaker 1: jam through them all real.
Speaker 2: Pound through them. Okay.
Speaker 1: Who's a loss of seeking? Brian to the Least in Groves,
Speaker 1: Secure Tribe, Scout Head Shredders, Sall Ring Sky Shroud Rangers,
Speaker 1: Secure Tribe Elder Youdora the Grave Gardener Threats around every corner,
Speaker 1: Colony Hart Expedition, Influrenshing something something boom can boom can boom.
Speaker 2: Can Now you'll notice a few of those are like
Speaker 2: Weird put a land onto the battlefield. Secure Secure Scout
Speaker 2: and Elder.
Speaker 1: You tap them and they they put another land.
Speaker 2: Right or a Zusa and Dryad both put extra land
Speaker 2: onto the battlefield.
Speaker 1: So you can with you playing them, Yeah, play more so.
Speaker 2: You can get that second landfall, because the second landfall
Speaker 2: is the one we care about because that's the one
Speaker 2: that flips stuff over for free. Yeah yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: so that's what we're doing so far.
Speaker 1: Well, so it's important to note those are tricky. Sekura
Speaker 1: Tribe Scout is that you can tap it to put
Speaker 1: a land from your hand into play and doesn't stay
Speaker 1: on your turn. Oh yeah, somebody's coming in at you.
Speaker 1: You can flip your your flippy dippy guy over and
Speaker 1: if it. Some of these things have ability that when
Speaker 1: this card flips over, it does a thing. Cards with
Speaker 1: morph so instead of you having to pay a morph
Speaker 1: cost or in a couple of cases, a goddamn mega
Speaker 1: morph cost, that you can just put a land from
Speaker 1: your hand into play with your little snaky bud and
Speaker 1: do a thing.
Speaker 2: I love my snaky bud, yeah man, yeah, I love
Speaker 2: my sneaky bud. Mega morphing with a Codina's silencer. This
Speaker 2: is our removal section. And I've played many of these
Speaker 2: cards back in Onslaught Limited.
Speaker 1: I like on.
Speaker 2: Onslaught, and this one is not from Onslaught, but it's
Speaker 2: got mega morph to one. You can megamorph it for
Speaker 2: three as a face down creature with nobilities and turn
Speaker 2: it face up at any time for it's more for
Speaker 2: megamorph cost. Yeah, if you megamorph something, it turns face
Speaker 2: up with a plus one plus one counter on it. Sure.
Speaker 2: But when this turns face up, counter all abilities your
Speaker 2: opponent's control.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: That is like stifle but for everything. Yes, counter all abilities. Yes,
Speaker 2: so triggered or activated abilities when that gets turned face up.
Speaker 1: You know what I learned recently. You can counter storm like.
Speaker 2: That because storm is a triggered ability that triggers when
Speaker 2: you cast the spell with storm. Right.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: That card is pretty good. It gets storm.
Speaker 1: That's a good card. That's a good card.
Speaker 2: Okay, Carou spell Snatcher, I love a good spell snatch. Okay,
Speaker 2: when it's turned face up, counter target spell if the
Speaker 2: spells countered this way, xil instead of putting it into
Speaker 2: its owner's graveyard. You may cast that card without paying
Speaker 2: its mano costs for as long as it remains exiled.
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
Speaker 2: That morphs up for six manna or that fucking sucks.
Speaker 1: Or play a land and then it flips over. That's
Speaker 1: fucking good.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play a land counter your spell. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take it, yeah and cast it free. Yes, okay, that's
Speaker 2: pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's pretty damn good.
Speaker 2: Ol. I've cast this one for sure in my wizard deck,
Speaker 2: my wizard deck circup two thousand and two. Okay, Void
Speaker 2: Mage Apprentice. When it turns face up for blue blue two,
Speaker 2: or play a land counter target spell dope. That's that's
Speaker 2: just good.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good.
Speaker 2: And this one classic Nantuku Vigilante yep. Yeah, when it
Speaker 2: turns face up for green one, destroyed target artifact or enchantment.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, so that is disenchant or disenchant, yes, naturalized.
Speaker 1: Natural there it is. Well they're the same. One's white,
Speaker 1: yeah for sure, who cares.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got to we've got.
Speaker 1: Some unique and interesting ramp and removal.
Speaker 2: I like that, and thematic and plays into what the
Speaker 2: commander's doing. Yeah yeah, okay, so we're good with that
Speaker 2: card advantage. We've got five of these.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you like this first one?
Speaker 2: Conduit of Worlds? Do you remember this one?
Speaker 1: I do? Okay, let mean back up, Okay, I read it,
Speaker 1: and no, I know exactly what this card desks. I've
Speaker 1: played in lots of decks and I'm finding I'm I'm
Speaker 1: cutting it more often than not. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: crucible of worlds.
Speaker 2: People people called it crucible of worlds and they're like, ooh,
Speaker 2: crucible of worlds again, right.
Speaker 1: Green green two for a crucible of worlds with you
Speaker 1: can tap it and if you haven't played a spell
Speaker 1: this turn, you can cast a permanent card from your
Speaker 1: graveyard this turn. If you do, you can't play anymore
Speaker 1: spells this turn. So one guy, one thing, which is
Speaker 1: sometimes you only have mata for one thing. But I've
Speaker 1: found that oftentimes that's hampering because by the time I
Speaker 1: get to where I got things in my bin that
Speaker 1: I want to play, I want to play something else too,
Speaker 1: and this can really bone that. So sometimes it's really
Speaker 1: really great. Other times it's a bit of it. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's a trap, but it's not
Speaker 1: nearly as good as it should be on paper.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well you got to remember too that we've got
Speaker 2: cards like Escape Tunnel, Myriad Landscape, Tromorphic Expanse, Blighted Woodland,
Speaker 2: that's a sacrifice land, fetch Lands, Fabled Passage, that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. So we're gonna have lands in our graveyard.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, The crucible side is great, But you can
Speaker 1: just play Crucible of Worlds and I don't think you'd
Speaker 1: really notice the difference. I really don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is Crucible at three manna with it? Or Conduit
Speaker 2: of Worlds at four with the upside of Like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: I can cast my wind condition that I accidentally milled
Speaker 2: or whatever, Like what if I manifest dread a not
Speaker 2: creature and then it and like it's a creature when
Speaker 2: it's manifest, right, I block with it, it dies? Conduit
Speaker 2: of ruin lets me get it back?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Right? That might be okay? Is that upside worth the one? Man?
Speaker 2: I think that it is okay, But I don't have
Speaker 2: experience playing the card.
Speaker 1: In my experience, I've played a couple of things from
Speaker 1: my bin, but usually I find that it just kind
Speaker 1: of blows my turn up. If I do that telegraphs
Speaker 1: that I need this thing, which immediately puts a target
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: It's a target on the conduit or target on the
Speaker 2: graveyard on your graveyard, yeah spot or mass graveyard removal
Speaker 2: right precisely. Okay, you know this next one, Rumbingstone, this
Speaker 2: is this is a classic index that play multiples of
Speaker 2: the same card. Ye, Ripple four gives all your shit
Speaker 2: Ripple four. Ripple four means when you cast it, you
Speaker 2: reveal the top four of your library. If you reveal
Speaker 2: something that has the same name as the cast spell,
Speaker 2: you repeat it.
Speaker 1: So you play a persistent petitioners reveal four. If there's
Speaker 1: a persistent petitioners in there, you play it and do
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 2: Do you cast those additional ones?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Do so they're all cast triggers correct, So that would
Speaker 2: be really good. Like if you played your petitioners alongside
Speaker 2: like a Beast Whisperer and Ripple four in a semic deck, yep,
Speaker 2: you could do symic bullshit really hard.
Speaker 1: You could bullshit so hard it wouldn't even make sense.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, Hunter, when when they set this deck in
Speaker 2: distinctly said that it is it's the goal of the
Speaker 2: deck to not do simic bullshit. That's why that's why
Speaker 2: we're milling, and you're gonna find out that we're gonna
Speaker 2: be beating a little bit too.
Speaker 1: That's what we're milling and face punching and simic, which
Speaker 1: is I like this card.
Speaker 2: This is cool, this is this is a very brando.
Speaker 2: I like the name of a card.
Speaker 1: Unblinking blab and it's just a big fucking eyeball in
Speaker 1: a cave.
Speaker 2: It's it's a one three with morph and when unblinking
Speaker 2: bleb or a permanent you control is turned face up,
Speaker 2: scry two. That's pretty good in this deck. That's neat
Speaker 2: play a lands cry too.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. Okay. Paranormal analist, Yeah, he's an likes
Speaker 2: ghost bombs. Yeah, when you manifest dread, like with your commander,
Speaker 2: put a card from your graveyard into your hand, sorry,
Speaker 2: put a card put into your graveyard this way with
Speaker 2: the manifestread into your hand, So.
Speaker 1: You manifest the creature that you would have milled, and
Speaker 1: then put the other card into your hand. Everybody gets
Speaker 1: to see what it is, but it goes to your hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty dope. Going back to ghost buttholes, do you
Speaker 1: think that Slammer's butthole is above or below his tail?
Speaker 2: And how slimy?
Speaker 1: Is it really very slimy?
Speaker 2: It is like el drazzi are slimy or are they
Speaker 2: kind of like powdery and dry?
Speaker 1: No, they're they're slimy, but slimer is slimier than then.
Speaker 2: Do you think he uses baby powder?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. He gives no folks. He doesn't even use
Speaker 1: a napkin. Bro he smells real bad.
Speaker 2: Does he use a napkin? Do people use napkins? It's
Speaker 2: the toilet paper, Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: I mean you could if you need it.
Speaker 2: You could if you need it to I would not recommend.
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't either.
Speaker 2: No, but no, if you need more than two, two
Speaker 2: or three wipes, man, you'd be pretty sure next time,
Speaker 2: oblivious bookworm, I want to be oblivious as to what
Speaker 2: napkins feel like on my butt. Okay A two to
Speaker 2: three human wizard for green blue. Ooh, that's an interesting
Speaker 2: man of cost. Hey. At the beginning of your end step,
Speaker 2: you may draw a card. If you do, discard a
Speaker 2: card unless a permanent enter the battlefield face down under
Speaker 2: your control this turn or a permanent was turned face up.
Speaker 1: I'm amazed that this wasn't in the pre con.
Speaker 2: This card, right, is from Dusk Morn too.
Speaker 1: It's from Dusk Morn and wasn't in the pre con.
Speaker 2: It must be one of those ones that gives you
Speaker 2: the satisfaction of like updating your debth like we talked
Speaker 2: about on the pre show. Right, it's like a little nugget,
Speaker 2: like buy some Dusk warn Hey, mister consumer, buy some
Speaker 2: Dusk Morn because you'll get this in a pack. It's
Speaker 2: only uncommon. You only have to buy six or eight
Speaker 2: packs to find one, right and put in your pre con.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good, pretty dope.
Speaker 2: I mean, we knew would be good in there, but
Speaker 2: we didn't spend money exactly.
Speaker 1: But we want more of your excitement we're getting we
Speaker 1: talked about on the pre show. See, I'm right. We
Speaker 1: knew it.
Speaker 2: We knew it would be good in there, but we
Speaker 2: also knew it would be exciting for you to put
Speaker 2: it in your deck.
Speaker 1: We also it would be exciting for you to find
Speaker 1: it after you pave somebody some money.
Speaker 2: Corporate language is so fricking fantastic, Hey, think of how
Speaker 2: exciting that would be to find this card in a
Speaker 2: booster pack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big good schmus, I don't understand.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I wish it was just good
Speaker 2: muff because man, it's been a long time. Okay, seed
Speaker 2: warn meuse during Europe, during everybody's untapping you all.
Speaker 1: On tapp, you untapped. It's a two four for five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you untap every time.
Speaker 1: All the time.
Speaker 2: Everybody know what that card does.
Speaker 1: Now if somebody would untap you on.
Speaker 2: Tap, yes, sir, okay, Ancient green Warden is good.
Speaker 1: This is a good card.
Speaker 2: Yes, a five seven for six. With reach, you could
Speaker 2: play landes from your graveyard. Also, if a land entering
Speaker 2: the battlefield under your If a land entering the battlefield
Speaker 2: causes the ability of a permanent you control the trigger
Speaker 2: it triggers again.
Speaker 1: Yes, you manifest dread twice, and then you can flip
Speaker 1: over two things if you do.
Speaker 2: No, you don't manifest dread twice.
Speaker 1: I don't think, isn't it no you flip? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right right the first time. So you flip. You
Speaker 1: put the guy on and you can flip it over
Speaker 1: right away.
Speaker 2: Yes you yeah, you manifest dread once. And then the
Speaker 2: ability tries to resolve again and it says otherwise, is
Speaker 2: it a may flip a guy is the second part
Speaker 2: of me, Like what if you otherwise you may okay,
Speaker 2: you don't get a creature.
Speaker 1: You got like an instant or something, and you flip
Speaker 1: it overthing shit and it goes.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can flip over things that aren't
Speaker 2: creatures when you manifest. I don't think judges let us
Speaker 2: know in the comments like you always do to be
Speaker 2: able to do that. Yeah, Zenderkar Resurgence Man, Banger after banger.
Speaker 2: It is a ten dollars card now lands Lands you
Speaker 2: tap ad double right at an additional one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, And whenever you cast a creature draw card.
Speaker 1: With that thrumbing stone so we can do some simic
Speaker 1: bull it's a cast. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I knew that there was something in here that let
Speaker 2: us do something.
Speaker 1: Here's something lets you do something right?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Cmal Hart of Krosa. Yeah, I like the
Speaker 2: other comal the Fister. Better you get this one a
Speaker 2: read because I gotta look at his picture for a minute.
Speaker 1: He's a five to five for green six human Druid.
Speaker 1: He has green one until end of turn target land
Speaker 1: you control becomes a one to one elemental creature token
Speaker 1: with indestructible I believe and haste as well, and at
Speaker 1: the beginning of combat on your turn, he overruns your
Speaker 1: team which is plus three plus three and trample.
Speaker 2: This guy's good. This guy's better in girl decks. I
Speaker 2: think because you can take multiple combat steps and not
Speaker 2: have to pay for overrun each time.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because fister of Crosa is more than the
Speaker 1: five dollars price tag of Kamal Harden.
Speaker 2: Perhaps, yes, especially if you want foil.
Speaker 1: More readily available.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay, then we got a zuriklav progress.
Speaker 2: Whenever a creature with power. Oh here's the thing, two
Speaker 2: or less enters a battlefield under your control, that is,
Speaker 2: all of your petitioners and all of your manifested yep, guys, Okay,
Speaker 2: you get an experience counter. Then, at the beginning of
Speaker 2: combat on your turn, put x plus one counters on
Speaker 2: another target creature you control. Where x is the number
Speaker 2: of experienced counters you have.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I wish it was each.
Speaker 1: It would be way too good if it was each.
Speaker 2: Make them cost five man still too good, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Make all your guys big. When anything happens with any
Speaker 2: of my creatures except for the last two, we read exactly. Okay,
Speaker 2: retreat to Quarrel Helm. Now this car does have like
Speaker 2: combos with it with with land and come of the
Speaker 2: West tree or whatever, like put something into play and
Speaker 2: then you can put something else into play, right and anyways,
Speaker 2: it's got landfall. Whenever land enters under your control, choose one.
Speaker 2: You may tap or untap, target creature or scry one.
Speaker 2: Scry one is actually really good with zimone landfall scry
Speaker 2: one and like stack the triggers so that you scry
Speaker 2: one first and then you manifest so you can get
Speaker 2: like like what you want and then flip it if
Speaker 2: it's like your second or third land after that.
Speaker 1: He's pretty good. Yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 2: Okay, then we've got some hockey.
Speaker 1: Helps to protect us from shit.
Speaker 2: I like, I suppose that's what that means. Yeah, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: Torpor orb stops all the ETB abilities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels like a meta choice. I assume torpor
Speaker 2: orb is a meta choice all the time, unless it's
Speaker 2: like in a stack's deck.
Speaker 1: Torpor Orb is a good card to have, though, creatures
Speaker 1: with ETBs are way more common than I think people realize.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and while we don't, we haven't talked about
Speaker 1: any Here's like, what are you talking about, Brendo. Lots
Speaker 1: of people use Eternal Witness or the elf that kills
Speaker 1: a thing or whenever a guy comes into play, I
Speaker 1: use scry one or whatever. Right, like torpor Rob shuts
Speaker 1: down a lot more stuff than you think. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a very good card. It's no hush Bringer, but
Speaker 1: it's a very good card.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I could play it in any deck, and
Speaker 2: I can search it in nearly any deck. And there's
Speaker 2: specific tutors for artifacts with two mana yep, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I can go get this card if I need it, right,
Speaker 2: you sure can, Okay, Propaganda gotta pay if you want
Speaker 2: to attack me, and then a soulless jailer.
Speaker 1: This one, I feel is a meta choice.
Speaker 2: It's also a creature that works with a zuri because
Speaker 2: you could just put like graft Digger's cage in right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but this works. And if you manifest this one, you
Speaker 2: can turn it face up where where graft diggers cage
Speaker 2: you can't. And what it does zero four for two
Speaker 2: permanent cards in graveyards can't enter the battlefield. That's a
Speaker 2: little bit of a non bow with our lands that
Speaker 2: we play from our graveyard. I'm just gonna throw that
Speaker 2: out there. Yes, Also players can't cast non creature spells
Speaker 2: from graveyards or exile.
Speaker 1: Cool, that's pretty fine. I kind of like that car.
Speaker 1: That's a neat one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen that one in quite a while. I'd
Speaker 1: forgotten about it, and I'm glad I remember about it
Speaker 1: now because I think I might play it somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what uncle brand are. You don't play
Speaker 2: very many graveyard decks, hey, just that one? Yeah? But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't even count that as a graveyard deck. Really,
Speaker 2: it's not a graveyard deck. That's using the graveyard just
Speaker 2: for like reoccurring value. And it's not like you're trying
Speaker 2: to fill your graveyard unless you're just going for the wind.
Speaker 1: I'm filling my graveyard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll fill in the yard. That's a euphemism for sure.
Speaker 1: If I've ever heard milkshakes, because then boys will.
Speaker 2: Show up, right, I they would show up. Yep. Yeah,
Speaker 2: We've got one more section here, but I want to
Speaker 2: talk about the maybe board a little bit as well.
Speaker 1: There's amazing.
Speaker 2: Twenty six cards in. If we cut every petitioner out.
Speaker 1: We could put all that there you go. There's the
Speaker 1: advice cut. All the petitioners put the baby board in.
Speaker 1: See how it goes.
Speaker 2: I suppose you could. There's some specific cards that I
Speaker 2: really like.
Speaker 1: The deck could still work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really would. We've got some milk cards though, okay,
Speaker 2: because we've played a lot of cards that care about
Speaker 2: lands entering the battlefield, so we can like continue to
Speaker 2: manifest and really zimone acts as a drawn extra card,
Speaker 2: but it's always a creature in the command zone as
Speaker 2: long as you can play a land, right, So how
Speaker 2: are we actually gonna win? It's actually through mill with
Speaker 2: the twenty six petitioners and a ruined Crab, which is landfall.
Speaker 2: Everybody mills three.
Speaker 1: Like that one. Ah, that is a good card.
Speaker 2: Run Crab and Heedron Crab. Very good run Crab.
Speaker 1: I like better though, because it's everybody right yeap.
Speaker 2: Hegron Crab gets one person one person yep. Okay. Next up,
Speaker 2: we've got and I've lost to this card, a Teresian
Speaker 2: mind breaker.
Speaker 1: That thing's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's a six four for seven. But if we mill it,
Speaker 2: because we can mill our freaking stupid self, we can
Speaker 2: unearth it for blue blue blue one and it has
Speaker 2: haste and when it hits you, nope, when it freakin
Speaker 2: attacks target, defending player mills half their library.
Speaker 1: Did you play it in your brewvac deck.
Speaker 2: I played in bruvag Beats. I have one wins in Bruvak.
Speaker 2: It wins, and I'll let you know we are playing Bruvak,
Speaker 2: are playing Breuvag my boy, my boy.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: If an opponent would mill, they mill twice that much lots.
Speaker 2: And it works with things like Teresian Mindbreaker because it
Speaker 2: says mill half their library, and it doesn't care about
Speaker 2: the number. It just it says mill half. And then
Speaker 2: Bruvak says you mill that same number again.
Speaker 1: It cares about the number, not the percentage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: fifty twice. It's fifty twice correct.
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you've got eighty cards, you mill forty
Speaker 2: and you also mill forty a game. Yeah, then we've
Speaker 2: got And man, I feel bad because we received like
Speaker 2: a Blue Boy Beats Mono blue Mill deck. We received
Speaker 2: one in our inbox or whatever, yep, and it's a
Speaker 2: mind Skinner deck and I wanted to feature, but then
Speaker 2: you told me this deck. But I still get to
Speaker 2: play my mind Skinner okay, brand new ten one. You
Speaker 2: know I like ten power guys T one just like
Speaker 2: freaking Lord of Tresorhorn. That's my mom's.
Speaker 1: Birthday today, Happy birthday.
Speaker 2: She is born on October fourth, Yes, and that's Lord
Speaker 2: of Tresserehorn day. Yep, so my mom the Lord of Tresurehorn.
Speaker 1: Weird? Is that why you like Lord Tresshorn so much?
Speaker 1: It's the mom thing?
Speaker 2: It isn't, but it's an odd coincidence. And I sent
Speaker 2: her a picture of Lord of Tresslhorn today. She didn't
Speaker 2: know what it meant. So I had to send her
Speaker 2: another picture with like the power and Toughness circle, and
Speaker 2: I said, happy birthday, Sun of the year mind skinner
Speaker 2: ten one blue blue blue full stop. That's the whole banecost.
Speaker 2: It can't be blocked, but if a source you control
Speaker 2: would deal damage to an opponent, we prevent that damage.
Speaker 2: And they mill at many cards. So ten you know
Speaker 2: what I wish or twenty if you got to prove it.
Speaker 1: I wish there was green in that thing's maniccost and
Speaker 1: then you could play it with uh, what's that thing?
Speaker 1: The fog dot deck monolgreen does everything?
Speaker 2: Oh? Questing beasts Yeah, damage can't be prevented. Yeah, or
Speaker 2: if there was red and you could play it with
Speaker 2: that one split aftermath card from Amanket that says damage
Speaker 2: can't be prevented double al combat damage yep, and you
Speaker 2: could do one shots in freakin' modern with it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you go blue blue Blue on turn two or three
Speaker 2: or whatever, and then on the next turn you play
Speaker 2: that card hit you for twenty can't be prevented.
Speaker 1: Mil die. Yeah, I could captive male who cares?
Speaker 2: Sorry sorry sorry sorry, can't be blocked, So damage can't
Speaker 2: be prevented, so you don't prevent it and it can't
Speaker 2: be blocked and you take twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which and this is brandology one O one twenty
Speaker 1: in the lesser formats.
Speaker 2: Enough, yes, sir, very much. So, finally we've got an
Speaker 2: altar of the Brood. Whenever another permanent enters the battlefield
Speaker 2: under your control, each opponent put it's the top card
Speaker 2: of their library into their graveyard.
Speaker 1: You know, I were planning that Forexian Gollum, so they
Speaker 1: don't get punished for things like alter of the brood,
Speaker 1: Like how many times have you seen somebody alter of
Speaker 1: the brooding or been altered with the brooding yourself, and
Speaker 1: you can just see the one guy sitting there just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting, and then their big threat just gets
Speaker 1: the mild. They immediately reanimate it and beat you to
Speaker 1: death with it. That's that's probably why stuff like that's
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of potential to combo with Altar of
Speaker 2: the Brood and to have some like onboard graveyard hate
Speaker 2: is great. I love that if we can go to
Speaker 2: strength and weaknesses. I love that we're doing some kind
Speaker 2: of simith thing where it's just repeated like low value transactions.
Speaker 1: Not a single card we said, read today says draw
Speaker 1: card put a land into playing, not a single one.
Speaker 2: And though we did say the word combination's simmic bullshit. Yes,
Speaker 2: mostly it was in reference to not being a semic
Speaker 2: bullshit deck. That's right, and I like that. And this
Speaker 2: is a strength besides it being the new hotness. It
Speaker 2: makes something old feel new again. In morph and I
Speaker 2: know morphin manifest, dread and manifest and those are all
Speaker 2: kind of the same or different iterations of the same thing,
Speaker 2: Like Everything's kicker, everything faced down is morph, right, But
Speaker 2: this is some new way where I can take landfall
Speaker 2: manifest landfall again morph right, it kind of captures all
Speaker 2: of those things that I can say, just those words,
Speaker 2: and you know what the deck does, right, And for
Speaker 2: that reason, it's it's simple, and for that reason we're
Speaker 2: playing morph commons from different from cons and from autis. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's budget. Like the whole deck two hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty bucks. That's pretty good, and there's a couple. No,
Speaker 2: it doesn't include the maybe. The maybe board could make
Speaker 2: this deck a whole ton more expensive and a whole
Speaker 2: ton more powerful. Is moving over to the weakness. We've
Speaker 2: got all these low value transactions that kind of fly
Speaker 2: beneath the radar and they're not gonna get you wiped
Speaker 2: out of a game, but.
Speaker 1: They're also not gonna wipe anybody else out of the game.
Speaker 2: Yes, they're gonna swoop in and you're gonna find some
Speaker 2: way to manifest dread and maybe mill maybe a player
Speaker 2: for ten or fifteen on a turn that's gonna get them.
Speaker 1: Being the pestering gnat at the table works really good.
Speaker 1: But in some cases, because you're an ad, eventually somebody
Speaker 1: will just squash you because you haven't given them zecavirus
Speaker 1: or whatever. Because you're on the.
Speaker 2: Skidel and when you're the pestering gnat at the table,
Speaker 2: you're you're Sometimes you're not gonna fly under the radar
Speaker 2: enough if you don't pack enough removal. So this particular list,
Speaker 2: I would maybe cut some of the land out of
Speaker 2: the graveyard type things and say, hey, we need more
Speaker 2: interaction to kind of protect yourself or pillow fort yourself yep,
Speaker 2: to stay alive because a low value transactions aren't gonna
Speaker 2: get the game one for you in a very timely.
Speaker 1: Fashion, and in some cases they can.
Speaker 2: And you're playing Mill, Yeah, so you're gonna get targeted.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna do it in Mill. Yeah, low, low
Speaker 1: transactional Mill probably not gonna get you.
Speaker 2: Yes. Now, if we did kind of shift gears.
Speaker 1: Unless there as hell, then it will just dig the
Speaker 1: whole four. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've been there lots of times with MIL. Yeah for sure,
Speaker 2: Mill right through your deck, through the floor, through the
Speaker 2: earth to the center. Yes, Yes, that's how bad I
Speaker 2: milled people and then they pushed me in the hole.
Speaker 2: If we wanted to shift the focus from Mill and
Speaker 2: take those twenty petitioners out twenty six and put our
Speaker 2: twenty six maybe boards in cut the gluvac.
Speaker 1: Put in the beaters, and just we.
Speaker 2: Could run the budget pretty quick, right, So be careful
Speaker 2: of that if we wanted to do the opposite of
Speaker 2: run the budget, though, check this out, Brewvac. Okay, twenty
Speaker 2: two dollars, got them? Got them. We do lose most
Speaker 2: of our mill proficiency, though, god, we really do.
Speaker 1: He's caught, no tutors, He's not going to show up
Speaker 1: in any of the games. Caught him.
Speaker 2: Get this Alter of the Brood, caught it.
Speaker 1: Fifteen bucks, Yeah, cut it.
Speaker 2: It does help us, mall got it? Okay.
Speaker 1: You know what else helped us? Mall petitioners caught him,
Speaker 1: not the petitioners, any other things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, seed born muse fourteen bucks.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good in here with petitions, Oh so good
Speaker 1: with petition. Every turn you get to the end, to
Speaker 1: turney twelve, somebody, well, I don't know when you caught
Speaker 1: that one. I think that one's worth the investment in
Speaker 1: this deck.
Speaker 2: That's forty eight on somebody in one round.
Speaker 1: That's pretty great.
Speaker 2: Like that's killed two people. If you have a brew
Speaker 2: back and a seed born music, right, yeah, can you imagine?
Speaker 2: And this has been a conversation of late if I
Speaker 2: was the new RC, what cards would I be looking
Speaker 2: to unban? Would cours certain no, not Courser? Would Profit
Speaker 2: of Crew Fix be on your list to unbanned?
Speaker 1: Under no circumstances?
Speaker 2: That card would be good in his dad?
Speaker 1: Oh it sure would. It would make me would. But
Speaker 1: it's banned still.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, thrumming Stone only eight bucks now. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 2: if we're moving away from petitioners, we move away from
Speaker 2: that card.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and get this Talent Gates of Madara. Oh hell,
Speaker 2: this is a land in the deck. It's twenty two dollars.
Speaker 2: Let's let's give that one a read real quick before
Speaker 2: we get out of here. Talent Gates of Madara is
Speaker 2: enters a battlefield up to one target creature phases out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but mineor yours? Okay. I can tap it for a
Speaker 2: colorless winding. I can pay one add amount of any color,
Speaker 2: so it's kind of like a sheltered grotto or whatever
Speaker 2: that is, right, Or I can pay four and put
Speaker 2: it from my hand onto the battlefield. Yeah, instant speed
Speaker 2: landfall phase out, your guy.
Speaker 1: That's a removal as well.
Speaker 2: That's also a removal.
Speaker 1: That card is so much better than anybody thinks it is,
Speaker 1: even we didn't really.
Speaker 2: Know you were on board with this card right out
Speaker 2: of the gates.
Speaker 1: I remember that I liked it was a removal spell.
Speaker 1: I knew it was going to be good. I don't
Speaker 1: think it was going to be as good as it is.
Speaker 2: You play decks or you've got in bang of it?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, both? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Like this card's
Speaker 1: a beating every single time you play it, and it's
Speaker 1: a fucking land and that's why it's twenty two dollars.
Speaker 1: It sucks that it's twenty two dollars, but damn it.
Speaker 1: Don't I understand.
Speaker 2: Why I got I got, I got, I got one
Speaker 2: for you instead of damn it?
Speaker 1: Ban it?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fucking ban it. It's twenty two dollars and
Speaker 2: I can't afford it. Ban ban it, banit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, rid of it.
Speaker 2: If we decide to move away from the mill, this
Speaker 2: doesn't count removing twenty six dollars worth of petitioners. But
Speaker 2: we could get this deck down to less than one
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety bucks. And if you extrapolate like fifty
Speaker 2: cents to two dollars per card in your deck, that's
Speaker 2: like one hundred and fifty dollars, right, And that's kind
Speaker 2: of what Commander decks cost if you're going to buy one,
Speaker 2: not if you use CCEO Summer Promo code and get
Speaker 2: a discount, but just like card by card by card,
Speaker 2: which nobody ever does, so it doesn't actually cost that,
Speaker 2: but it is a budget deck.
Speaker 1: Let me hit you at this, because there's the strength
Speaker 1: and weakness of the deck with if you take the
Speaker 1: mill theme out, like we've talked about, that's cool. That
Speaker 1: means you can which I wouldn't, which you wouldn't, but
Speaker 1: maybe I would, maybe somebody else would. It's easy to
Speaker 1: power the deck up. But speaking of somebody who has
Speaker 1: like just scooped the guts out of a deck one
Speaker 1: time and then try to just put new guts back in,
Speaker 1: it's harder than you think to just take thirty cards
Speaker 1: out of a deck and then put thirty cards back in.
Speaker 1: Both like budgetarily we talked about that, like we can
Speaker 1: get the deck below a bunch of you know, down
Speaker 1: low if we take out all the mill stuff, But
Speaker 1: then you've got to pay money or cards that you
Speaker 1: own to get the deck to one hundred cards again,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's tough to figure all of that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And that can be a daunting task,
Speaker 1: more daunting than you think. And it's not one that
Speaker 1: you can do card by card, because once you start
Speaker 1: cutting petitioners for other shit, it's just making your deck
Speaker 1: have cards in it that are useless, and you don't
Speaker 1: want that.
Speaker 2: I got one here for sure that I would say,
Speaker 2: if we're not personally not going away from the petitioners,
Speaker 2: gotta have a fleet swallower in there. Yeah, six six fish, well, yoho,
Speaker 2: huge mouth, huge mouth on this Yoho. It's a seven
Speaker 2: drop six six fish. When it attacks target player mills
Speaker 2: half their library rounded up, so you could target yourself.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be defending player like the tercean
Speaker 2: war mind butt hole breaker, yep. I like fleet Swallower.
Speaker 1: I like that one. I like in the in the thing.
Speaker 1: I like Grass as a grass unstoppable juggernaut. I like
Speaker 1: him as a as a finish. So he's in there,
Speaker 1: and there was another exodrons o.
Speaker 2: Grass makes all of your petitioners, your one threes and
Speaker 2: your two two's, and that you're manifested. It makes them
Speaker 2: all into five three juggernauts. It's a colorless crater hoof.
Speaker 1: Right, so when you're ready, you just flip that shit
Speaker 1: over and just kill somebody out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Because it's not an ETB. It's sets the power and toughness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's just good. And there's an exodron right
Speaker 1: underneath it that flips all creatures in play face down,
Speaker 1: and you can get yourself out from underneath that just
Speaker 1: by playing lands, which you're doing anyway, yep, and your
Speaker 1: opponents probably can't because it doesn't give the creatures more. No,
Speaker 1: they're just two two people that suck now.
Speaker 2: Ixodron very powerful magic card, and I've come to realize
Speaker 2: that people very much dislike playing against it. It's like
Speaker 2: you're taking away agency, right, You're you're taking away your
Speaker 2: thought and your time that you spent to put these
Speaker 2: particular creatures in your deck to make your strategy powerful.
Speaker 2: And I'm just leveling the board to make them all
Speaker 2: two two's except mine, I'll turn face up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, except I'm make them all two tooes. Well at
Speaker 1: least yours are two too. Oh yeah. By the way,
Speaker 1: land flip my azuza back over.
Speaker 2: Land, flip flip flip my grass take fifty exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's pretty good. So I like both
Speaker 1: of those in here. I would probably move away from
Speaker 1: the mill thing personally because I'm I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of over mil I tried to make mill work too.
Speaker 1: I appreciate how much you like it, but it just
Speaker 1: shows that this is very, very versatile and it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to just turn into symic bullshit strength, which is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a long way to get there, but we got there.
Speaker 2: That's it. So big thank you to Hunter mackenzie for
Speaker 2: sending the deck in. Big thank you to all of
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Speaker 2: So I want to say thank you for that.
Speaker 1: And no shit, hand I got one more thing, okay.
Speaker 2: As like lots of people know I've got the broken leg, yep,
Speaker 2: I didn't say thank you publicly to all of the
Speaker 2: people who came up to me on the last weekend
Speaker 2: and said, hey, do you need a hand? Are you okay?
Speaker 2: Can I carry your box? Can I wheel your suitcase? Sit?
Speaker 2: I'll do it. The people I worked with, the National Lights,
Speaker 2: I saw, the people who came to the after party
Speaker 2: all made my trip that was a little bit nerve
Speaker 2: racking and anxiety inducing. Wasn't sure if I could provide value,
Speaker 2: wasn't sure if I was going to be able to
Speaker 2: get around venue crutches pain. Everybody made it real easy,
Speaker 2: so much so that like some random stranger was like, hey, man, uh,
Speaker 2: do you want me to carry your lunch for you? Right?
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, I got it. He's like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'll carry your pizza, tell me where to go.
Speaker 1: You had a food courtray in your bath and you're
Speaker 1: crutching down the hallway.
Speaker 2: Well you know those you know those paper plates that
Speaker 2: that you can get at conventions, and they're basically just
Speaker 2: a piece of paper.
Speaker 1: It's a napkin in the shape of a plate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've got a can of coke in my
Speaker 2: pocket and that's hitting on my crutches. I conked some
Speaker 2: guy in the ankle with my crutch. I tripped, I
Speaker 2: almost dropped my pizza. My pop falls out of my
Speaker 2: pocket and he's like, man, I got you. Where are
Speaker 2: you going? I'm like the other end of the venue.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like this all right, let's go.
Speaker 2: But he but he helped me the whole time, and
Speaker 2: he's like, hey, cool man. They're like, what's what's this?
Speaker 2: What is this about? And he didn't know. He was
Speaker 2: like a modern player. He didn't know about. So I
Speaker 2: gave him a sticker, said thank you, check us out
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh man, cool I'll send my friends
Speaker 2: over here. They play Commander. That's why they're here, right,
Speaker 2: that's sick. So that's the kind of stuff that I
Speaker 2: was like trapped in all weekend and it ended up
Speaker 2: being really good. So I want to say that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad and I will thank those people as
Speaker 1: well because you made my man have a good weekend.
Speaker 1: And that's important. Because I wasn't there to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm glad the nation stepped up to do it.
Speaker 2: Oh. No, you would have purposely done the opposite.
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: You would have went around to all the vendors and say,
Speaker 2: you've got any Griffin canyons here, Well make sure that
Speaker 2: this guy on fucking crutches does.
Speaker 1: Not buy them. Hey man, the thing I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to the most about Calgary is if you're still limping,
Speaker 1: I'll be faster than you. I could definitely gets all
Speaker 1: the vendors first. Yes, yeah see, I might be a
Speaker 1: good friend, but I'm still gonna dunk on you every
Speaker 1: chance I get because I'm such a good friend. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to an online vendor where you're gonna go, oh,
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Speaker 1: five percent of all the stuff that I'm gonna buy
Speaker 1: so you can't have it.
Speaker 2: I got all my dust warn stuff. Just got it.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like three days shipping so fast.
Speaker 1: Very quick. I ordered some stuff a few days ago.
Speaker 1: I ordered some bloom Bloom Haven, Yes, Bloomborough Islands with
Speaker 1: the Little Wizard Frog on them. We're switching over some
Speaker 1: basics in a deck. So that's pretty fun.
Speaker 2: Let's go drink some beer.
Speaker 1: I would go love to go drink some beer. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do it with producer Gary. Thanks for being in
Speaker 1: here helping us out. Thanks to all you for listening
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