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welcome on our next guest. It is our guy, doctor
Steven Aantherrich. What's going on, Doc? How we doing doing great?
All right? So I'm gonna start off with an injury.
I think we talked about last week, but it's just
it feels like it's just showing up more and more
and more concussions and quarterbacks in the NFL. We talked
about Jackson Dart I believe it was last week. Now CJ. Stroud,
Texans quarterback. He's going to be out versus the Bills
on Thursday Night football. And like the concussion protocol like
is it kind of the same like almost everywhere? Like
is there like a hey, this national board said this,
and this is what we're going to follow. Because I
feel like in I don't know if you ever went
through any concussions, like, but for me, I feel like
maybe all of mine were a little bit different, like
at least from my experience. So when you're dealing with concussions,
is it kind of across the board, Hey, here's what
we're looking for.
Speaker 3: It's pretty similar.
Speaker 4: There are some differences that the NFL, for example, has
an independent neurologist.
Speaker 3: Not every league uses that.
Speaker 4: There's certain subtle differences and just kind of the minutia
and the rules, but it's basically the same. You're gonna
You're gonna start with obviously an official diagnosis, and then
from there you move forward and there's always going to
be some kind of gradual return to play. It's never
a hey, I feel better, okay, go play football. Yeah,
it's okay, you're feeling better. Let's have you get on
the treadmill, let's have you on a bike. Let's start
off kind of like and easy, because a lot of
times guys will feel good and then their heart rate
gets up, and even if we're not talking about any contact,
they start getting headaches, start having symptoms.
Speaker 3: So I want to slowly progress you back and make
sure you're better.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of neurologic neurocognitive tests, looking at your balance,
look at your reaction times, and a lot of different
things we utilize, and like I said, there is differences,
but it's basically the same from lead to league.
Speaker 5: So Dougle when you look at concussions, so we all
kind of know it as like a brain bruise, basically
your brain hit in side your head. I know there's
like circles, final fluid that's like you're padding or whatever.
But like everybody recovers a little bit different, and it's
understandable that there would be like different severities to concussions.
But this might be a dumb question, but like is
there any proven treatments for typecussion besides just rest? I mean,
I know, like like blood flow heels and blood is
like the healing factor in the body, and like you
do things that other acute injuries around the body, it's
like you want to increase blood flow to that area
to help healing. Is there a way is there ever
been anything that's helped the treatment of a concussion.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of stuff out there that is being tried.
There's a lot of sort of anecdotal data that maybe
there's some little things that we can do here and there.
There's certain things, and you know you're gonna hear about
all kinds of stuff. If somebody goes in the internet
and you google concussion treatment, you have a million things
pop up because it's such a big topic, and honestly,
it's one we don't really have a great treatment for
other than rest.
Speaker 3: It really is the main thing.
Speaker 4: You kind of got to let the body and specifically
the brain get better and the problem.
Speaker 3: You know y'all mentioned well, I had a couple. They
were different.
Speaker 4: It's it is the most probably frustrating diagnosis we have
because it's there's no perfect test right now. Now I
can't show you on an X ray there is your
concussion m RI, I C T scan whatever everything else.
Speaker 2: You're you know, you've seen it a thousand times and yeah, okay,
this is that.
Speaker 4: And then once you have it, they're all different and
even the same individual, you know, because you'll talk to
your teammate. I'll think he's back in a week and
I'm you know, a month in and I'm still having symptoms.
It's it's a lot of variability. It's not always easy.
It's it's it's very scrutinized. That's just one of those
things that's a rough, rough diagnosis all around.
Speaker 5: So is it like a good assumption, like when we
just generally know it as like a brain bruise, Is
that like really what it is? And then if so,
it doesn't matter like where on the brain, like what
part of the brain hit.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's a good way to look at it,
because that's kind of what it is. You know, it's
basically an injury to the brain. It's an injury to
the brain that typically does not show up on imaging.
There's some newer tests out there that we're trying to
develop functional MRIs and using utilizing EEGs, but even those
are gonna be really expensive. You're not gonna be able
to get them quick and it's gonna be a while
before we have a good test.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of a bruise that you can't see.
It's kind of inflammation.
Speaker 4: We know that much that the location of the brain
does affect definitely the symptoms because you know, we know
different parts of the brain control different things, So you know,
sometimes it's gonna be more headaches, sometimes it's gonna be
more memory emotional.
Speaker 3: You know, I've had guys that you know, I'll never forget.
Speaker 4: I had a young kid, a high school kid, just
bawling on the sideline, just just waterfall tears. Could not
explain to me why. He's like, I don't know why crying.
He had a concussion. He's like, I'm not that upset,
I'm not whatever. Just could not stop it. And it's
just interesting. The brain is such a history, crazy thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I have never even really thought about like
the concussion being an injury to the brain. You understand that,
but like different locations of the brain would magnify a different.
Speaker 2: Response to it. It's pretty wild. Yeah. Look, when you
have one, you've got plenty. Yeah, when you have one,
it's it's quite the experience. And then like when people
tell you, like, no, you were doing this, it's like
that like you were, Actually we're doing this. And so
I just feel like we're seeing more of those quarterbacks, yeah,
like Dylan Gabriel. Yeah I don't. Yeah, I don't feel
like we now maybe to Doc's point, I mean, now
you get buzzed down and they've got a neurologist up
there in the NFL. Maybe we did see and we
just didn't know it. But like when I was playing
like I don't. I don't remember quarterbacks getting concussions, right,
but there wasn't a ton and now the rules are
supposed to protect them more than ever. And this is
where you're seeing it because there's so many rules like
running more too.
Speaker 5: In the NFL, you got so much, so many rules
protecting the quarterback, like rough the passer is a joke now,
but like so most of the injuries are from the ground. Well,
quarterbacks been hitting the ground in football for one hundred years,
and apparently the helmet technology has improved, so like there
had to been just tens of thousands undiagnosed before this
all happened. Because helmets are better, you're not like getting
concussions most of the time, at least as a quarterback
from getting hit by another person. It's usually the ground
that causes it.
Speaker 4: My god, yeah, I think I think diagnostics is a
big part of it. Where I mean, I think back
to when I played in high school through college. I
can only remember one guy getting diagnosed with the concussion.
This is a guy who could not walk outside in
the daylight because it was that bad. And there may
been a couple others, you know, because that I don't
don't recall, but I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't remember. Definitely weren't many, you know, in high school.
I remember none.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's one of those things where, you know, I think
we obviously are way more aware of it now. That's
that's probably a bigger part. And then you know the
style of play. You know, we talked about that a
little bit with Dart. You know, he's his style. Well,
you know those guys are going to see it a
little bit more.
Speaker 2: You dive head first as a defender.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh uh, Doc, Let's let's turn our focus to
a different part of the body. We saw Michael Pinnox
this past week get injured, taken off the field, and
the diagnosis has come with a season ending injury to
his knee. That would make I believe five of the
last eight seasons of him playing football, whether college or pros,
that he has had an injury that made him miss
the rest of the season. I think most of them
have been I think it was a shoulder, but I
think most of them have been knee injuries. So I
kind of want to talk to you about reoccurring ACL injuries,
reoccurring ligament injury that that you see that it needs reconstruction,
You need different different techniques, and I know in reconstructive
surgery it is like you're using different parts of the
body or cadavers or different different things to fix. But
what happens when you reinjured the same thing after it's
been reconstructed?
Speaker 2: What is that surgery? Like? What's that recovery process?
Speaker 5: How does it differ from like afresh the first time
you get injured.
Speaker 4: Well a lot depends on how long it is in
between it, how bad was each injury, so across the board.
It's kind of hard to say, but but yes, if
you keep injuring the same thing, the same knee, for example,
it is gonna become more difficult.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have more because for one.
Speaker 4: Part of how we fix these is we use graph
from other part part of the knee, typically the hamstring,
the ptellerton and the quad tendon. Well, we can't keep
going back to the same source, So for one, you're
going to have to change where it's coming from. So
you're going to have more scar tissue in different areas.
So not just the ACL but you know, if we
take a pateellerton in one time hamstring, that's two different
parts of the body. It might have a little bit
of scar and typically people do okay with that, but
again the more you accumulate that, and then the other
thing you really worry about a lot of these knee
injuries is sometimes get some cartilage damage. Maybe not even
something that's obvious right out of the gate, but you
know if as the bone kind of hits together, because
that's what happens with the ACL, is the two bones
kind of hit together, and if you get some bone contusions,
you get a little cartilage injury. Then you get the
same thing happening again and again you know that's a
knee that's gonna have more problems. You're gonna have the
guys that you're gonna see swelling in the knee down
the road. You're gonna see a lot of these issues,
and then you run the risk of failure. I think
I think this time with the pendix, it is actually
the other knee, if I'm not mistaken, So he hadn't
injured this one. And I think we talked about that
a few weeks back, that some of the there's a
lot of reasons why guys injure their acls, and some
of us just the way we're made, We're all made
a little different. There's differences in the knee. And then
you consider after an injury, you're gonna favor things, You're
gonna you're gonna rely more on that other leg, so
maybe you're putting more stress on it.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of.
Speaker 3: Variables that go into this.
Speaker 4: We do know that if you tear one knee, your
likelihood of tearing the other acled is increased anywhere from
five to ten fold over the average population.
Speaker 2: So all right, so why is that just because of
the favoring of the one that you did already?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. So
you're favoring it. So you know, if I injer my
right knee, I'm just naturally gonna put more more pressure
on that left. Plus you have some time when you're down,
so even though you're trying to stay in shape, that
left knees you might get a little weak or two.
And then there are some of the genetic predispositions that
people sometimes have.
Speaker 3: So it's a little bit of all the above.
Speaker 5: So when you rea you're an acl you said you
use graphing from other parts of the knee or that
same ligament.
Speaker 2: And you repair it. Is it ever.
Speaker 5: I'm sure that Brocket is, but like other places, is
it ever back to one hundred percent or is it
like ninety percent of strength? When it's fully healed with
a repaired ACL, it.
Speaker 3: Can get back to full strength.
Speaker 4: In fact, sometimes your likelihood of retearing is less because
you have a better ACL. Sometimes, especially if you were
one of these individuals. Maybe some people you'll see some
people are more loose to begin with. Some people maybe
had a thinner ligament to begin with, so we might
get you a little bit more robust. And they've actually
shown that you're actually if you have a good surgery,
you're probably more likely to tear the other one because
of all those earth things we just talked about than retearing,
as long as you take the appropriate time to heal,
that's the other thing.
Speaker 3: Give it time to heal.
Speaker 4: If you try to go back too early, that that
that data is kind of skewykin.
Speaker 5: I like like if you get enough like screws and
plates put on you and you're like unbreakable, unbreakable.
Speaker 2: What I'm sure sure? Gosh, who was it that? Oh
it was Lane Johnson for the Eagles tackle Hill that
he's like Hey, he's got a Liz Frank injury, and
it's like, yeah, but he's not considered out for the year.
Just shit, I'm like, hold up. Like anybody that I've
ever known has got Liz Frank and I've gone through
that as well. Like, it's not a quick and easy
process because they're different variations of Liz Frank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are. There are.
Speaker 4: So if you have a mild more of a sprain,
so if you just sprain the joint, it can heal.
But sometimes if you have a tear or a fracture
associated with that joint, which is kind of a midfoot sprain.
You know, anytime we hear midfoot sprain, we're a little
bit nervous.
Speaker 3: That's the first.
Speaker 4: It's not always a Liz Frank, but that's the one
you worry about because that's one that's going to be
more commonly unstable or at the very least, they're gonna
be booted.
Speaker 3: Probably out for at least several weeks.
Speaker 4: But if it is more on that mild a variety,
it might be someone who can boot up, and if
they respond pretty quickly, they may they may get back
a little bit more rapidly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never usually it's like you list Frank, Like Buddy,
go ahead and sit down, list Frank. It's not like
it's like a person.
Speaker 4: It's a surgeon who first diagnosed I think if I'm not
mistaken as French and during the Napoleon Award, so somebody
want to fact check me, but uh, I believe it
was actually what it was.
Speaker 3: So I think I think that was what it was.
Speaker 4: To go back and double check me, but I know
it was named after the guy first.
Speaker 2: I know it's not fun, so I was right. It
was the name of somebody I don't know. I mean,
I think Doc's just trying to back you up here. Okay,
there you go. He goes back to Napoleon, but he
always sounds smart.
Speaker 3: If you say Napoleonic, I mean it does.
Speaker 2: It does, actually go, I'm pretty smart. There only a
couple of games left. Hard to believe, but I know
you got some guess some high school playoff work you're
gonna be doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll be busy too. It's a busy couple of weeks.
But yeah, it's crazy. We're almost there and hopefully not
too busy. I hope not too busy. Yeah, hopefully not,
you know, hopefully We'll just be a good spectator. I'm
always happier that way, right, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Doc, we appreciate no Doctor Steven After it's good
enough to join us every single week here on the show.
Will step away more OTB coming back your way when
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Speaker 2: All right? So earlier we talked about Kenny Dillingham. Wait,
what are you doing over there? Okay, listen up, just
got an update from Doc.
Speaker 5: The term list Frank originates from Jacques liz Frank de
Saint Martin, a French surgeon, and.
Speaker 2: The Napoleon's are they there? You go?
Speaker 5: In the early eighteen hundreds described an amputation through this
mid foot joint do to a soldier's foot injury. So
Liz Frank's from Saint Jacques litz Frank Saint Mantine. So
doctors right? And technically I was right. Basically know you were.
I thought you were just being yourself. I'm always myself,
but you know what I mean. That's why I mispronounced words.
That's why I say dumb things sometimes. That's why I
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Drew Brees.
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They are five to zero on this season. They've scored
one hundred points in every single game that they've played.
Good this year. It's pretty decent, pretty dee digis. They
beat two Lane on the road one oh one to
seventy one the other night. They've got a couple of
games before they've got a big non conference matchup against
the Duke Blue Devils. So it's gonna be a lot
of fun to continue to watch this team certainly look
like one of the best teams, not only in the SEC,
in the country. They sit at number five in the country. Also,
the men's team got a dub last night, so keep
their record perfect as well. You know, after that's what
that means after, you know, after a disappointing football season,
we know that the women's team's going to be great.
We know they're going to make a deep, deep, NCAA
tournament run. It would be so refreshing to see the
men's team going a little bit of a run here.
And look, I'm realistic. I'm not saying they gonna go
out and win a championship, but man, if they could
just fit finished like right in the middle of the
Southeastern Conference and maybe, just maybe, so.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna ask you questions on this me surprisingly enough,
not a basketball guy, I will be by Christmas, we'll
be locked in. But for the LSU men's basketball team, Like,
what is a I don't even want to know what
like a realistic ceiling. I want to know what a
ceiling is, an absolute ceiling, like a pipe dream ceiling.
And then what's a realistic, really good season for them?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? I mean, I think that the ceiling would probably
like you can't like as much as we'd want to be, like,
you know, Homer Purple and gold glasses, pumping sunshine, the
whole deal. I mean, you had a conference that everyone
made the NCAA tournament but two teams, and you were
one of the two teams. So to say that the
ceiling would be higher than finishing in the middle of
the SEC, I think would be would be crazy.
Speaker 6: I think if you got to a five hundred conference record,
that would be excellent.
Speaker 2: I think so, I think that's your goal. Team of
sixteen teams, fourteen of sixteen made the nc DOUBLEA tournament.
You in South Carolina just learned it's only ones that
did not make it. So so for the games you
have coming up, I think you have Omaha Nebraska, you
have Drake I believe, then you got on the road
against Boston College, and then you've got a test against
number fifteen Texas Tech. So that will kind of give
you an idea as you head into conference. I'm trying
to think. I know it's a challenge game, but I'm
trying to think where. I think it's in Fort Worth.
If I'm not mistaken, the Texas UH Tech game, so
we'll find out about them when they played Texas Tech.
Do you like to go to the games? Oh? Yeah, Hey,
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Speaker 5: I think last week I said I didn't watch a
dribble last last year till the tournament.
Speaker 2: Uh. I actually lied on that. I forgot.
Speaker 5: We actually took the fam to a game, all five
of us last year. I think we have to watch
an Auburn.
Speaker 2: And it is. It's constant entertainment.
Speaker 5: There's always something happening, always something falling from the sky,
always somebody doing something on the court, some sort of
competition or dance.
Speaker 2: It's exciting. That's all I got on the basketball takes
right the second you got me, you worked the game
last night, didn't you? Sorry?
Speaker 6: I did not work the game. I worked the women's
game Monday night. I followed it well, like alcorn State
came out lazing hot from three.
Speaker 2: They cooled it down. But the thing I like about
this game.
Speaker 6: Everyone's going to complain, Oh, you gave up eighty one
points to alcorn State. I get that, but You found
a different way to win a basketball game, which I
always think makes you a better team. So far this year,
you've had DJ Thomas dish it out to the shooters
and they've done a really good job from three. You
shot twenty eight percent from three last night. That's terrible.
Speaker 2: What did you do?
Speaker 6: You were dominant in the paint fifty eight to twenty
eight point differential in the paint. Mikenwoko is the best
player on this basketball team. Twenty nine points, nine rebounds.
Markel Sutton still hit his shots. I mean DJ Thomas
still had sixteen and six when the rest of the
guys had an offshooting night. You found a different way
to win this game, and I appreciate that because you're
not always going to just stand there and knock down three.
Sometimes the shots aren't gonna fall for you. You found
a way to win. However, you play like that in
sec play, you're gonna get beat, so fix it. But
nice job to find a different way to win.
Speaker 2: All right. So watching this team, and you and I
have talked about this for the last couple of years, Tite,
it's like, Okay, you've got some good stuff in the
non con and even last year, like you had some
wins against some power for teams, right, some teams that
you felt really good about, and then it just did
not happen obviously in conference play, Like when you watched
this team compared to when you watched last year's team
so far to this point, do you think it is
a better made up roster and team so far?
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you go back to look at Mat McMahon's
time at Murray State, the times he was the most successful,
I get it. John Morant take him out of it.
When he had a dominant, pure point guard, his teams
were good. I think you have that. I think DJ
Thomas is a pure point guard. I don't really think
he's had that this year. Like Cam Carter was a
great guard last year, he wasn't a one.
Speaker 2: Thomas does a good job of facilitating.
Speaker 6: So far, you've been a good shooting team, but you
have a dominant guy down low as well. If you
have a good point guard and you have a guy
download that can dominate in the paint, I think you
could win because you're shooters. Max McKinnon's done a great job,
Markel Sutton's been really good, Sean King's been good. Ron
Zippers barely played because he's been hurt. He's a guy
that can shoot from the outside. You have shooters, you
have a dominant guard, and you have a really good
post player. You can compete against anybody you go against.
Speaker 2: All Right, we're going we're gonna see like we are
certainly going to see. I do agree with you. It
does feel like it's a little bit better. The roster
feels better. It feels like it's got some pieces that
you can put together and trying to make that run
in conference play because in non con last year, I
think I know I got fooled a little bit there.
We'll see if they can put it together. A team
that we know has it together and we know is
going to make the NCAA tournament and going to make
a run, the LSU women's basketball team, and we catch
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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in OTV here live from the
Raise of Canes Studio. Very very excited for this next conversation.
Over the last couple of years, we've been lucky enough
to have coach Kim Mulkey join us every single week
during the basketball season. Excited to get this conversation. Go
and coach, we appreciate your time so much. Thanks for
hopping on with us. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 8: Good morning.
Speaker 7: Can you guys hear me? I'm out walking and then
have an echo? Can you hear me?
Speaker 8: Okay?
Speaker 2: Uh, hey, coach, we'll do this. We'll call hey, call
us on the number that we called you on, and
I think the echo will go away. So you got
to call me back, No, Coach, I think if you
call us, I think the echo goes away. So whatever
number we called you from, I think if you call
us back, I think the echo goes away. All right,
I'll call you right back, right, coach. Uh. I don't
know why. I don't know why all these fancy buttons
and cameras and different things because I've been a guest
on you know, shows on this station before, or call
it in when I've been out of town. Sometimes you
just get the echo. Or you just told a legend
of Hall of Famer to call you back. Please. You
didn't say please, I did that. I just did dude,
doo doude doo doo doo doo. That's all right. This
would be the first time I've ever talked with her. Yeah,
I told her you were slippy. Don't worry. Oh, yeah,
for sure yesterday when I was getting everything set up.
It's obvious. Yeah, no question about it. Coach Mulky, we
got you.
Speaker 8: You've got me.
Speaker 2: There we go. It's a little bit better, so we'll
see how it goes. How are you how You've been
off to a great start so far in the season.
We miss having you on the show. We kicked t
Bob out. He's now in Chicago freezing in the snow.
But we got Matt Flynn here with us, so we're
glad to have you back on.
Speaker 8: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Guys? Oh, we got you? Do you have us?
Speaker 8: I think I heard you.
Speaker 7: I'm not coming across clearly apologized. Yeah, Matt, welcome to
the show man. I know y'all been doing this during
football season, but I watched you fling the ball a
little bit in your day as well.
Speaker 2: That's right, coach. It's an honor to talk to you.
Speaker 5: You are an absolute legend, and like, look, I've known
and followed your career for a long time. I grew
up in Texas. My whole family was a Baylor fan
of a big coach, Ken Moulkey fans. I've been a
long time, so it's a pleasure, in an honor to
talk to you.
Speaker 7: Well, Well, tell me if I'm right or wrong. Why
do I have Tyler Texas in my brain when it.
Speaker 8: Comes to you.
Speaker 2: You nailed it.
Speaker 5: Tyler Texas. My dad, my whole family went there. My
dad played quarterback there in the sixties. Oh yeah, I
don't know how you know that, but that's amazing.
Speaker 7: I keep up with sports, not all sports, the main
three that those of us from the South played basketball, baseball,
and football. So an odd thing or two about athletes.
Speaker 8: Hester. You know, he thinks he's from South Louisiana and
that's four. Grew up in North Louisiana.
Speaker 2: Call that sheep East Texas. Hey, I'd rather that than
southern Arkansas. But you're right through one eight through one
great no question about a coach, So and your and.
Speaker 8: Y'all's boy, the old center, the old lineman.
Speaker 7: I bet he's freezing his rear end off about now
in the big Chicago. You know the thing about Chicago,
which is a great sports town that way, but the
thing about Chicago, when you're ready to go fishing, all
you can do.
Speaker 8: Is ice fish. You know, he's down here. We can
bass dish, but he's.
Speaker 7: Got to go chop a hole in the water and
figure out how to do all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Uh, coach, you know, like that first true like winter morning,
because you know he's lived in Atlanta, he's lived in
South Louisiana his whole life. And you know, Matt played
in Green Bay, I played in Denver. You've obviously, you know,
been across the country watching different things coaching, so you've
experienced it. You know that hit him like a ton
of bricks that first morning he woke up and it
was like real snow, not just some ice here in
South Louisiana.
Speaker 8: I bet he had to go spend some money and
buy his whole family.
Speaker 2: Jacket real jackets too.
Speaker 7: You got it.
Speaker 8: Well, when you guys talk to him, tell.
Speaker 2: Him hello, absolutely, absolutely will coach. And so again, so
excited to have you back on the show. And obviously,
like every year, it's going to be a new team.
You're gonna have new players. Now you've got some returning players,
some very good returning players, but you know, with today's
college basketball, you're gonna have some new on every ross.
And so every year though, I always give you so
much credit because it feels like whichever team you're coaching,
they kind of take that personality of their head coach, right,
and we know you coach tough and confident and discipline.
How do you go about building that every single year
when you get new faces kind of Okay, here's what
it is, here's how we're going to go about our business.
And how do you kind of lay that out for
the new players that you have.
Speaker 8: Well, I think it starts in recruiting. It starts.
Speaker 7: With you sitting down with those young athletes that you're
recruiting into your program. Most of the time, they know
the style of play, they know my personality. They don't
know me know me because they have all the social
media lives they have to you know, Wade through and
they have all those things, but I think they enjoy
what we tell them.
Speaker 8: You're going to be you.
Speaker 7: I want personalities on that floor. It's a game of entertainment.
But once you you just kind of wade through that,
there's two things. If you will defend and you will rebound.
Speaker 8: We're going to have success. Right now, we're scoring a
lot of points.
Speaker 7: Guys, listen, I used all this non conference as basically preseason,
as you guys would say training camp in football.
Speaker 8: I don't have our kids come in the summer.
Speaker 7: I don't require them to show up and we go
and we grind in the summer.
Speaker 8: I like my summers off.
Speaker 7: They like to go play different USA Basketball teams and
go on vacations. So I look at these months as
I'm still evaluating it. I'm still trying to figure out
who needs.
Speaker 8: To play with who.
Speaker 7: So as we play these teams and we're scoring a
lot of points, I'm not looking at that. I'm actually
looking at we're pretty sorry.
Speaker 8: The second half at.
Speaker 7: Two Lanes, we allowed straight line drive. We did all
those things poorly, and I've got to make them better rebounding.
We got out rebounded, and we won by thirty that's
not cool. So those are the things that they've got
to do if they want to play for me, and
we'll get better. Did I think this team when I
signed those kids and they returning players came back, did
I think this is what I would?
Speaker 8: Yet? Not necessarily early.
Speaker 7: I had no idea that we'd be able to shoot
the three ball like we do well, let it fly,
and so that's why we're scoring a.
Speaker 8: Lot of points.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, coach, I think I think scored triple digits
and all of the games this year, So I think
I was. I was looking at those numbers. I'm like, man,
you have to be some sort of Hall of fame coach.
You try to find motivation of that because like in
the football, you go watch film, you learn from mistakes, right,
you learn, And you just pointed out a couple of mistakes,
a couple of sloppiness that you saw from the team.
But when you're scoring at that clip, it's probably you know,
there's a mentality involved when you're talking to two young
women at the age they are when you when you win,
and when you win by a lot and you're scoring
like you are, you have to have a coach that
can really kind of humble them and take them back down.
So is it difficult finding the coachable moments in.
Speaker 2: Games like that?
Speaker 7: The difficult part is to keep them focused. The difficult
part is to keep them from looking at that scoreboard
and get sloppy. So what you do in the course
of the game and a timeout. I may look at
one individual player and say, kids scored on you twice. Now,
don't let her score again the rest of the half
or the rest of the game.
Speaker 8: Just give them little goals during the course of that game.
I like this team. When a coach can say I
like my team.
Speaker 7: And win and go to work every day looking at them, Man,
that makes for just a great locker room. And I
really do This team is a joy to coach. I
don't have to deal with outside drama away from the court,
which every coach in America has to deal with every year.
And they pull for each other. I mean they pull
for each other. Look, got five or six kids.
Speaker 8: Averaging in double figures and.
Speaker 7: They're happy for each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and coaching That was actually going to be my
next question because you have so many players that are
scoring the basketball. And last year we talked a lot
about rotation and how many players you were going to
keep in your rotation. So when you're playing these games
and you're having a lot of success, like, is it
kind of hard? Like what are those conversations like maybe
with your assistance, because as you get closer and closer
to league play, I know you are having those conversations.
So like when you're trying to figure out maybe how
many players are going to be a part of a
true rotation, like how often are y'all having those conversations?
Speaker 8: Well, I'll give you an example. In the film room yesterday.
It's all we did win the film room and we
watched two lane.
Speaker 7: We didn't even prepare for off corn. I'm not worrying
about off corn. I'm worrying about LSU, right. And then
we went on the floor and we ran thirteen down
and back under twelve seconds because we not thirteen twelve
Excuse me, because we missed twelve free throws. Yeah, and
then we did a little free throw competition for a
little while. As I said with them in that locker
room and film room, I reminded them, I'm not I
don't have a set starting five. You may see a
different group out there every game because I'm I'm so
blessed that I have that.
Speaker 8: Much talent, and you better produce.
Speaker 7: While you're out there or somebody else is going to
get an opportunity. And that's not a threat. And I
know players don't like looking over their shoulder, but when
it's this new into the season and you've got that
kind of competition on the floor every day and practice,
hey next man up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coach.
Speaker 5: So I wanted to give you kind of the chance
here you know, this show in the morning. I mean
it's middle of football season. We've been so hot and
heavy with football and talking coaches and talking talking everything crazy.
Speaker 2: We we are a couple of things going on in
going on in the football program.
Speaker 5: I know it's wild, but it's a it's it's the
first time we've had you as the privilege having you
on the show since the season started for you all.
So it's a new year, new look, new faces. I
wanted to give you a chance, like to introduce the listeners,
like kind of during this time of the time of
the day, like to the team, the new you have
Malaysia full Wiley k Cobol sixty five in the post,
like you got some new players, you got some returning
players you kind of introduced like this new team twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 7: Well, obviously we can score the ball. And I would
tell people who will watch from Afar even if you
don't come to the games, well, shame on you if
you don't come to the game, because you're going to
miss out on seeing some tremendous female athletes that just
know how to play at an elite level. You're gonna
see happiness. You're going to see kids who have smiles
on their faces.
Speaker 8: They enjoy playing.
Speaker 7: I mean, there are a lot of athletes that play
these sports because they're just good at it and that's
all they've ever known, and that's all they've ever done.
Speaker 8: It's like they enjoy going out.
Speaker 7: There and getting a steal or making a big bucket.
And I think that I had no idea that we
would be this cohesive, but it's sure is fun, especially
when you get to the latter part of your career
as a coach. What runs coaches out nowadays? Look at Saban,
he got out then ales tired of that. The coaches
will get out because the kids, how many times have
you heard it, They're just different. Now I get to
stay in it because I've been able through the generations
of kids I've coached adapt. You don't have to change
who you are as a coach, but you have to
adapt in ways you motivate young people, and they make
me adapt because.
Speaker 8: It is fun to go to practice.
Speaker 2: Coaching Matt, you know, kind of joke there, but we
all know there has been a lot going on in
the athletic department, certainly, like for you, like when you're
like you're starting your season and so there's so much
going on. There's a lot of change. You get a
new president, you get a new ad, you're looking for
a new football coach. Like, is that something that you
even right now, you know, can even worry about because
you're so like ingreat like in the season and trying
to get ready for your team's run right now.
Speaker 7: Pester, let me tell you this story, and this is
just put it kind of in perspective from me, my son,
y'all know. Kramer, Yeah, he said, Mom, have you ever
just stepped back to realize the amount of turmoil that
you have had to clean up without really realizing it?
And I'm like, what are you talking about? So he
took me back to my days at Baylor. He said,
do you remember you won your first championship in two
thousand and five and your theme was be the shining Light.
The previous year you had the murder in men's basketball,
and you had all the cameras there and all the
national trucks there every day. And he said, you just
want about your business, and you helped to erase some
of that by just being a positive by winning it.
He goes, let's go to the art briwt again. At Baylor,
you then.
Speaker 8: Want a national championship.
Speaker 7: To help erase some of that and put Baylor back
into a positive light. He goes, it wouldn't surprise me
if you did it this year at LSU. And I
just laughed and I said, you know, buddy, I just work.
And he says, but the timing of things that you
have helped indirectly without realizing it, because you know how
to compartmentalize mom and focus on your team. And so
I've been thinking about that ever since he brought it up.
This is not new to me. This is something that
I have dealt with at Baylor numerous times. I hate
it because Scott hired me. I don't still to this day,
understand all the political stuff going on behind the scenes
because I don't have a political bone in my body.
I love everybody, I love all cultures, I love both parties.
But I just focused on my job, and my job
is to put LSU in a good light in the
win basketball games and championships.
Speaker 5: That's a great perspective coach, and like, and I think,
and it's great to like kind of look back on
that and Cramer for pointing that out, because I think
you get to that point because you're always yourself and
genuine and focused on the people around you and making
them better. And that's why you're a legend coach. So well,
appreciate that answer. We appreciate you.
Speaker 2: And uh, that's just that's fantastic perspective.
Speaker 8: Well, you guys, you guys make my morning.
Speaker 7: I'm out walking doing my usual walk. Took my grape
juice this morning and gonna just walk the neighborhood and
think about what we need to do and practice today
to get better and bring you kids.
Speaker 8: Matt, you married with children. I know, hester is that's right.
Speaker 5: I got three happily happily Mary with three kids ten
eighty five, doing the whole thing.
Speaker 7: Love it, bring them to a ball game, we love
to see games. Hey, Valentine's Day is the best time
to come. You better get a ticket. Now, that's when
we play South Carolina.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, that is that is very true, coach.
You know we're gonna bring our entire crew, uh to
most games. They love coming. I mean, basketball games are
their favorite thing to do, you know at LSU. So
we'll be there. We'll be in the number, I mean,
my family, my kids. We take up half the stadium,
half the arena just by bringing the hester kids. So
we look forward to it, Coach, just like we look
forward to talking to you every single week here during
the basketball season. Can't thank you enough.
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, you're welcome and love on those kids because
they grow up fast.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they sure do. They already have there she is,
Coach Kim Mulky good enough to join us. Going to
get that started every single Wednesday here during the basketball season,
something we've done for a couple of years and always
look forward to. All right, we will take a break
more OTB when we come back here live from the
Raise of King Studio.
Speaker 1: Off the bench. I can't.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm just nagging of it.
Speaker 1: From the locker room to the Airwaves gets off the
bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn's so.
Speaker 2: We don't mind old watching.
Speaker 8: Because if this.
Speaker 2: Cross real close to my nerves of it, all right,
welcome back again, O. Gv here Man fired out to
have Coach Milky. She's the best every single week.
Speaker 5: I used to love, like obviously last year, the last
couple of years she's been so I used to love
that segment of y'all talking to her because she's awesome.
She has like such great perspective on everything, and she'll
answer any question, like any question genuinely and like it's like, yeah,
that's so, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: I do love that she will, Like you ask her,
she's gonna answer. I say, well, I'd rather not there, No,
rather not gonna tiptoe through the tulips on it. So fantastic.
I'm excited to get the family out there, go check
them out. They've got a couple of really cool games
coming up as well, not just you know inside of
the p MAC. I mean they've got like a game
against Louisiana Tech that's gonna be in the Smoothie King
Center in New Orleans on December the thirteenth. Obviously, Coach
Molkey played for the Lady Texters and so that program
means a lot to her. So it's gonna be very
cool to go. You know, check that out there at
the Smoothie King Center. She mentioned Hey in February Valentine's Day,
She's like, don't wait South Carolina game, They're coming to town.
So hey, good matchups.
Speaker 5: We're also all thinking it. Coach, you ever thought about
dabbling and coaching football? Come on, we gotta search happening
right now.
Speaker 2: Hey, look, get Jay Johnson kill Mulkey together, they can
be co head coaches. Go ahead, let's go. Let's go ahead,
go ahead and do it. Man. I look forward to
that every single week. All right, So nine, we're gonna
have I have would you Rather? Wednesday? And I'm just
letting you know, I'm gonna have a theme to my
would you rather? Today? Today? We're gonna do that when
we come back, and I'm gonna have a theme to mine.
So everybody needs to get there segment. Everybody needs to
get you know, it's like literally built in and it
like has the name of the day of the week
in the second. Our shows are just so jam packed
these days, so much exciting because we have two guests. Yeah,
that is a lot for you. That is very true.
That is very true. Matthew is not he loves our guests,
but he's not, you know, the one that wants like
we're getting we're getting more comfortable with him. We here, Yeah,
we we're a team. You get in your pocket. I
guess you're such an individual. Well no, I'm saying like
I've had guests for a while. It's okay, all right,
So coming up in hour number three, little would you
rather Wednesday right here on ot B Live from the
Raising King Studio, off the bench. All right, very excited
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