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<v Speaker 1>John and I Firms. One of Wetherbe casts tells us

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<v Speaker 1>today be mostly cloudy with scattered storms possible later this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>They should be leaving the area around sixty m though

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven on high Today. It's going to be dry

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<v Speaker 1>every night, down of sixty two, Partly cloudy tomorrow with

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<v Speaker 1>possible low of sixty eight and a high of eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five on Friday, with another chance of rain sixty two degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, let's hear from hereby traffic conditions from Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>Ingram Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Northbound seventy five continues to run close to an extra

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes out of Florence into downtown, then slow again

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<v Speaker 2>above seventy four to an accident at Town Street. Right

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<v Speaker 2>hand side southbound seventy one breakwlights continue between Fieldsirdle and

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<v Speaker 2>Red Bank. Northbound four seventy one is getting better into

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<v Speaker 2>town coming up next the gang who's probably too humbled

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<v Speaker 2>to admit it, but rumor has it. Our next guest

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<v Speaker 2>gave MLB come Miss Manfred, a stern talking to which

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<v Speaker 2>convinced him to take Pete Rose off the ineligible blist

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<v Speaker 2>from the Hall of Faith.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you to the judge.

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati loves you, Chuck Ingram on fifty five krc the

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<v Speaker 2>talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, thirty one five KRCD talk station on the heels

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<v Speaker 1>of Congress of MESSI making this my favorite hour of

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<v Speaker 1>radio whenever we get him. Back to back Judge Eddenapolitan

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back. And I guess most of Cincinnati is

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<v Speaker 1>appreciative of your efforts to get Pete Rose.

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<v Speaker 4>No, yeah, you know it's it's very funny. And Ingram

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't possibly meil on this. And by the way, good morning,

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<v Speaker 4>Brian's a pleasure to be here. I have been a

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<v Speaker 4>fan of Pete Rose since I was a kid. I

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<v Speaker 4>met him many times at Fox and I did talk

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<v Speaker 4>to Rob Manfred real name MANFREDI to Rob Manfred about this.

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<v Speaker 3>This is about five or six years ago, and he

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<v Speaker 3>looked at me.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, Ah, the time might come, Judge, the time

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<v Speaker 4>might come, but I can't do anything about it now.

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<v Speaker 4>Pete was still alive. I don't take any credit for it,

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<v Speaker 4>but I take great joy.

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<v Speaker 3>In it that the.

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<v Speaker 4>Sport fans, not only in Cincinnati but everywhere and history

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<v Speaker 4>will recognize his unparalleled achievements in baseball unparalleled. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's interesting, greater than Demaggio. Now that my father in

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<v Speaker 4>Heaven book will send a lightning bolt at me for

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<v Speaker 4>saying this. But the greatest achievement in baseball Pete Rose

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<v Speaker 4>and his number of.

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<v Speaker 1>Hits unquestionable point. You cannot say he wasn't the greatest.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't one of the absolute all time greats of

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<v Speaker 1>baseball period in the story. The stats prove it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I struggle with this one. I always have

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<v Speaker 1>because as a believer in the rules and in law,

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<v Speaker 1>as you do, the cardinal rule of baseball is you

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<v Speaker 1>don't bet on baseball. And he lied through his teeth

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<v Speaker 1>for years and years insisting that he did not do it.

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<v Speaker 3>When he did.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to work for the defense attorney criminal defense

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<v Speaker 1>attorney who represented the guy that ultimately blew the whistle

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<v Speaker 1>on him, a guy that was placing bets on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of Pete Rose, who, as a law clerk, I knew

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<v Speaker 1>advance of everybody that he was doing it, and he

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<v Speaker 1>kept flying, and this whole concept of him lying year

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<v Speaker 1>after year year, and then finally, man, yeah, I bet

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<v Speaker 1>on baseball, but I didn't bet on the Reds. And finally, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet on the Reds, but I never bet against him.

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<v Speaker 1>That moving position in an effort to try to get

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<v Speaker 1>himself off the permanently band list so he could get

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<v Speaker 1>into the Baseball Hall of Fame, which isn't guaranteed even

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<v Speaker 1>though he's been removed. But that to me was the

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<v Speaker 1>sticking point. You knew the rule going in, you knew

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to the Black Sox and what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>those players, and yet you did it anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the Baseball Hall of Fame. It's not the College

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<v Speaker 4>of Cardinals. We're not saying that only Mother Teresa can enter.

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<v Speaker 3>The Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 4>I know. Should they have taken the heavyweight championship away

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<v Speaker 4>from Muhammad Ali because he dives the draft?

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<v Speaker 3>In my opinion, of course not.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that isn't a cardinal rule of box though. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean again, this was a this is a baseball rule.

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<v Speaker 1>Since the Black Sox events back in the early nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds when they threw the series. So you know, you knew.

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<v Speaker 4>That's pretty that's pretty serious. But if crime is harmed,

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<v Speaker 4>nobody was harmed by what Pete did.

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<v Speaker 1>That I do not have an argument with. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm probably a minority in this town, most notably,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've been on record year after year and I've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten engaged with debates with people over it, So we

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to dwell on it. You're happy. I'm many

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<v Speaker 1>people in Cincinnati are extraordinarily happy, and that's aokay with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I mean I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was at Yankee Stadium when the Reds played the

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<v Speaker 4>Yankees in the World Series.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember what year this was.

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<v Speaker 4>Pete Rose was playing third base Mickey Rivers, who was

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<v Speaker 4>so fast he could get to first before anybody could

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<v Speaker 4>throw the ball from third. Pete Rose picks up a

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<v Speaker 4>little dribbler and shakes the ball at Mickey's face like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so good, Mickey, I'm not even going to throw

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<v Speaker 4>the ball until you're halfway to first from and he

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<v Speaker 4>caught him out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's some great stories and everybody. I remember the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Red Machine like it was yesterday because that was

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<v Speaker 1>the heyday of baseball here in the city of Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>But I must note they also removed from the permanently

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<v Speaker 1>banned list all of the Black Sox players too, including

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<v Speaker 1>Shoeless Jackson or whatever his name was.

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<v Speaker 3>So I saw the Shoeless Joe from Hannibal.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you know it, You know.

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Pivoting over. As I always point out, I'm a lucky

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<v Speaker 1>man for getting a copy of your column ahead of time.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes out tonight at midnight. What if freedom is suspended?

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of rhetorical questions built into the column, But

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it because suspension of the riot of habeas

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<v Speaker 1>corpus is an amazingly serious, serious thing. If you remove

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<v Speaker 1>habeas corpus, we're all thrown to Franz Kafka's the trial.

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<v Speaker 1>We could be held without even knowing why we are

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<v Speaker 1>being held. And that is a profound injustice.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, It's a profound injustice.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a violation of your natural right to fairness from

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<v Speaker 4>the government, and it's an express violation of the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 4>So habeas corpus, for those dwelling on the Latin, is

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<v Speaker 4>the principle by which anyone detained by the government whether

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<v Speaker 4>it's for spitting on the sidewalk or a mass murder,

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<v Speaker 4>can require the party doing the detaining to bring you

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<v Speaker 4>to court and justify the detention, so you know the

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<v Speaker 4>charges against you, and so a judge is satisfied that

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<v Speaker 4>there is it's a real charge, it's not fanciful, and

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<v Speaker 4>there's serious evidence against you. Without the right to habeas corpus,

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<v Speaker 4>we're back to the divine right of kings, who would

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<v Speaker 4>lock up whoever they want, although even these British monarchs

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<v Speaker 4>are recognized hadeus corpus because it's in Magna Carta which

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<v Speaker 4>was signed in twelve fifteen. But without habeas corpus, we

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<v Speaker 4>have that Franz Kafka situation where people can be arrested

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<v Speaker 4>without trial and just sitting in a jail cell, not

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<v Speaker 4>knowing what the charges are against them, no independent judge

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<v Speaker 4>reviewing it. Who and under what circumstances can suspend.

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<v Speaker 3>A price corpus well has.

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<v Speaker 4>Been suspended three times by American presidents, and all three

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<v Speaker 4>times the court said, wait a minute, only Congress can

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<v Speaker 4>do it, and only Congress can do it when there's

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<v Speaker 4>invasion or rebellion.

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<v Speaker 3>That's in the Constitution itself.

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<v Speaker 4>So When Lincoln did it, he was forced to have

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<v Speaker 4>Congress authorize it. Then he tried to employ it in

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<v Speaker 4>the North, where there was no invasion or rebellion.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he was assassinated.

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<v Speaker 4>Then the case made its way to the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 4>and they invalidated FDR used it to incarcerate Japanese Americans,

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<v Speaker 4>in one of the lowest points in Supreme Court history.

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<v Speaker 3>The court went along with it. Subsequent courts have reversed

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<v Speaker 4>A subsequent Congress condemned it and compensated all the Japanese

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<v Speaker 4>America Muricans who were detained.

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<v Speaker 3>George W. Bush attempted to do.

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<v Speaker 4>It right after nine to eleven, saying we were invaded.

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<v Speaker 4>Whereupon the lawyer's challenging this said, your honor, I was

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<v Speaker 4>in Federal Court in Lower Manhattan on nine to twelve,

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<v Speaker 4>the day after nine to eleven, so the courts are

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<v Speaker 4>able to sit Therefore, there was no invasion or rebellion,

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<v Speaker 4>and the Supreme Court invalidated it. This is very very

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<v Speaker 4>dangerous talk in a very very dangerous area. If the

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<v Speaker 4>White House thinks it can do this just to facilitate

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<v Speaker 4>the removal of unlawfully present persons in the United.

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<v Speaker 3>States, well, this will spread like wildfire.

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<v Speaker 4>This will to transform the country from a democracy to

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<v Speaker 4>a monarchy if the White House can pick and choose.

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<v Speaker 4>Because they're saying they can pick and choose, they're saying

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<v Speaker 4>that they're not going to suspend it for everybody, and

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<v Speaker 4>they're saying they're only going to suspend it if they

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<v Speaker 4>don't like the way judges rule. I mean, that is

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<v Speaker 4>simply a reprehensible attitude which defies, defies the president's obligation

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<v Speaker 4>to preserve, protect, and defund the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it flies in the face of the purpose of

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<v Speaker 1>being able to suspend Habeas corpus in the first instance.

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<v Speaker 3>So, but I guess when you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, Okay, So Congress has defined invasion or rebellion as

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<v Speaker 4>a state of affairs so calamitous that the courts can't sit.

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<v Speaker 4>Which is why being in court the day after nine

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<v Speaker 4>to eleven defeated George W.

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<v Speaker 3>Bush's use of it.

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<v Speaker 4>When FDR suspended Habeas corpus just for Japanese Americans just

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<v Speaker 4>on the West coast there obviously it was.

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<v Speaker 3>No invasion or rebellion.

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<v Speaker 4>He said he feared an invasion or rebellion, and the

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<v Speaker 4>court bought that nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a very low point in America's history. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if they can do it to the Japanese Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>My father had a dear friend, a golfing buddy his

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<v Speaker 1>in an internment camp because he was of Japanese descent.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born in America.

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<v Speaker 4>These people were as American as Fdr, as American as

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<v Speaker 4>apple Pie. Their ancestors came from Japan. It was one

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<v Speaker 4>of the greatest acts of racism outside of slavery, in

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<v Speaker 4>American history, and it was done by the hero of

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<v Speaker 4>the Liberal Democrats, Franklin Donna Roosevelt.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I think it boils down to this. If

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<v Speaker 1>the person is is incarcerated, they have the habeas corpus

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<v Speaker 1>right they go into court. The government should be able

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<v Speaker 1>to present evidence on exactly why they got arrested. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal. We have the evidence. This is why we

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<v Speaker 1>picked him up and locked him up.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very simple proceeding. It's taken so seriously. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we have this in New Jersey. If you're in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of.

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<v Speaker 4>A trial, you stop the trial to review the habeas

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<v Speaker 4>minute more in jail, then it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Justified under the law.

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<v Speaker 4>You immediately address the habeast proceeding. Now not all judges

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<v Speaker 4>do that, but most do, and nearly all will do

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<v Speaker 3>They receive the application.

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<v Speaker 4>If the government knows that there's no habeas corpus, then

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<v Speaker 3>Need evidence in order to arrest. That can arrest whoever the.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell it want was right, and that comes down to

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<v Speaker 1>which is why I'm one hundred percent on your side

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<v Speaker 1>on this one, no wavering whatsoever, you got evidence, show it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a reason for me to be picked up and

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<v Speaker 1>locked up. Tell the judge exactly why. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>Editor Politano, appreciate what you do.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the column in advance. I always enjoy reading it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I always enjoy your conversations each and every week.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and by the way, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Back at you, Brian go Pete rose into.

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<v Speaker 1>The Hall of Fame, and I forgot to tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>Congressman Thomas, And as he did tell me to tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, hello, So I'm want to get that out.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I love him.

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<v Speaker 4>He is such a defender of the Constitution and very

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<v Speaker 4>very few others in the Congress are is opposite number

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<v Speaker 4>also from Kentucky, Senator Ranpaul comes to mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's going to be on the show later this week,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll look forward to having him on as well.

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<v Speaker 3>To give you my best home time family.

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<v Speaker 1>Friend, Judge Ennena Palatino until next Wednesday. Have a wonderful week,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend. Back at you, Brian, Thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>E forty two fifty five. Care see the talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with but Herbert Motors. They delivered my

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<v Speaker 1>immediately and cut my grass yesterday as blades went through

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<v Speaker 1>and appreciate you butt Herbert Motors and they delivered that

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<v Speaker 1>more to my doorstep when I bought it. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>excellent mower. Got a Honda Professional level powered push mower

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<v Speaker 1>and it's one of the best on the market. That's

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<v Speaker 1>all they sell the world class brands. Got you John Deere,

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<v Speaker 1>your ex Mark Steel power equipment, Honda Power equipment sold

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<v Speaker 1>by a Herbert family member to you. This is fifth

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<v Speaker 1>generation family and a operator. I know everything is to

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<v Speaker 1>know about the equipment they sell. They're friendly, the customer

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<v Speaker 1>service couldn't be better. That's why they've been around for

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<v Speaker 1>people who don't care what iota about whether you're happy

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<v Speaker 1>or not with your experience or the equipment you buy.

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<v Speaker 3>Bought.

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<v Speaker 1>Herbertmotors dot Com is where you find them online. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you're talking to that Herbert family member, please tell them.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian said, Hi, the number is five one three five

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<v Speaker 1>four one thirty two ninety one five one three, five

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<v Speaker 1>four one thirty two ninety one fifty five car the

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<v Speaker 3>Did you hear
