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Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice

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mix in some vodka. We call it a podcast from

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the Mac of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven

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by Victor Chrysler Dots. Gee rahm, it's Billified, the Bill

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Moran Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. I am so excited because, uh,

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doctor Rob Rice has agreed to come back become friends

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with Rob through the podcast, believe it or not, Like

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I think I since I started this, like all the

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people I've met because of the podcast has been amazing.

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And then doctor Rice comes in He's got guinness, and

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I go, this is amazing. And then what's that article

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over there?

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Speaker 3: This is for your studio?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I thought might be here, and he was here

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when I first got here, so I and I wasn't

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sure where things are at right now. In terms of

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drink drinking, I've been asking you to have a beer

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with me forever, yes, and uh it hasn't worked out.

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And so I figured, well, then drink, I'm going to

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bring it here and we'll have a beer together on

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the podcast.

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Speaker 3: It might be the only way that it can happen.

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Speaker 4: So and in just in case there are any objections,

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I brought you evidence that guinness is actually good for you,

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and I thought that this would be good for the podcast.

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Speaker 2: WHI is great for the podcast?

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Speaker 4: So h so yes, that's it actually legitimately is good

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for you. I've been living by that for a long time. Yeah,

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I do dried January, but Guinness doesn't count.

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Speaker 2: How about how about the same guinas that beer expert

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Michael Jackson, this British King of Hops calls the world

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uh classic dry stout. It's a favorite bono obviously Madonna

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with a good cigar. I love this beer. I have

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loved this beer for years. This is really cool. We

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can hang this up in here. Yeah, that's oh thanks,

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that is really cool of you.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Williams. Who you know Tom Williams. He calls it

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the only true breakfast beer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to call it my chocolate milk when

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I was you know, or mother's milk. Yep, Mother's milk

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is another stout like this. Do you ever have that? No?

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Speaker 3: I didn't know.

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Speaker 4: There's a real really yeah, just they have a really

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good at Aurora Brewing right now. They have one called

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for Fook's sake, Where's uh? Aurora is right on It's

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in bushtos Basin right on.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's the one. Yeah, I haven't been to there

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when it was a seventh story.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, i'd be there, that would be And they

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have they have something that tastes like I'm really critical

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of anything that that says that they're like a nitro

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stout and they try to because a Guinness, I think

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is really unique.

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Speaker 3: It is, but this, for Fook's sake, at uh at

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Aurora is solid.

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Speaker 2: It's really I like that is it like a Japanese

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I don't know why Irish because it means like for fox,

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it's excuse me, was the size of the planet that

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way as.

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Speaker 3: To say it? And you'll know what it's believe me.

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Speaker 2: I know. I wanted to have you back because I

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felt like the last time you were on, I didn't

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we didn't talk about your book well enough, and I didn't.

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I felt like I underserved you on that one. And

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I really really connected with your book. And I thought

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it would be because the whole portion of the book

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where you talk about and it's it's let me step

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back here cliff notes, and I thought was the final

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title of cliff Notes, contemplating Life's meeting on the edge Okay,

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so this is about you and your family and I

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think another family or another couple. We're going to go

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and it's is it mohawks, mox the Mountains, mox A Mountain,

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That's what it was, mox the Mountain and your daughters

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and dogs are up ahead, and all of a sudden

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you hear the scream and the dog you think is

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over the cliff, and it's just hanging on on this

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ledge and then you don't even I think in the

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book you're almost just down. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I would have had the guts to

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go down their head.

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Speaker 2: I had been conscious and I'm reading all that and

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my palms got sweaty. It's so well written and so

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well descriptive of that event. But everything that comes out

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of that is the idea that we're one, the idea

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that you and the dog are one, the connection you

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had to Walter, which I think was, you know, very special.

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And I went back four years later. Yeah, and all

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that's laid out in the book, but I go, boy,

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that that's it's just amazing. And the connection and the

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people that come along, like the I don't I'm forgetting

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the names muscular guy with the mohawk and then was

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separate from Carl. Right.

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Speaker 3: I actually never learned the most.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure. I just know I have

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the book and I didn't have time to go back

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and really check it out.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, Okay, I'm wondering someday maybe these guys

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Speaker 3: Be like, I think that was me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm friends with the actual guy who you know, ultimately,

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you know, led the rescue and rescued me. You know,

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spoiler alert, you know all that we called called for

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a helicopter.

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Speaker 2: We didn't need one, yeah, but it seemed like the

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helicopter was taking forever it would have.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I was.

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Speaker 4: I was down twenty thirty feet down on the side

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of the cliff, nothing to really hold on to other

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than you know, the little bit of graveled and stuff

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that I could grab on the and then I had.

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Speaker 3: Walter on my shoulder.

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Speaker 2: Did Walter slip down?

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Speaker 4: He I didn't watch it, my daughter saw it, but

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you know they they made it sound like he got

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too close to the edge and the slipped and felt, yeah, just.

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Speaker 2: Like the earth moved out from under his sposs pretty much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And it was like Indiana Jones and the

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Temple of Doom level stuff, right like straight down probably

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a thousand feet, So yeah, I wouldn't have. I think

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it was one of those moments where you know, Walter

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is just my best friend, and I saw that, and

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the next thing I knew, I was on the side

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of the was on the side of the cliff with

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him kind of resting in my shoulders, and and so yeah,

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the book's about that hour really on the side of

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the cliff and things that I was thinking, and when

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I came back from the cliff, the conversations I had

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with people like well you and and Tom Williams and

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doctor McCabe and doctor LaRue, all the folks that we

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just how it all like.

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Speaker 3: It's just the wildest thing.

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Speaker 2: There's so many things in the book because you think

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about you, you talk about your family, you talk about

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your daughters, you talk about you know, your wife's up there,

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and am I ever going to see them again? And

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all I think in my mind with the book, you

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were just hearing their voices. No one was getting that

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close to the edge to look over and go, or

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your wife did.

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Speaker 3: My wife got your wife at the edge and she

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said it was dizzying.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I think everybody else was more just their voices.

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Speaker 4: You could hear, yeah, yeah, you couldn't get very close.

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And Carl, the guy who ultimately well Carl was something else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he actually he fell the first time, but luckily

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not the full thousand feet, you know, just just above

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me and was able to grasp onto the side of

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the clip and kind of scurry back up.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy, but all the things that went on

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in your mind and contemplating life and its meaning and

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what is our purpose here? And the idea that we're

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all one. And we've had many many I feel like

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there's been many i'll call them teachers that have come

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to try to tell us that and show us that

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and prove it to us. And I would even mock

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me on this one, but I'd even say Bob Marley

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to a certain extent, was always saying we are are

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one and relax and all this, and you know, then

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Bob did with a lot of people, yes, and then

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there's a lot of people like you know, religion sometimes

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can be made to manipulate people, and I think they've

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changed Rastafarians so they could have sex with the younger girl.

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point is that there's always this message and to feel

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that connection and to be alone with your thoughts in

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a moment of I don't know what's next. I don't

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I don't know what's next. Like we like a plan

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as human beings, we want that. We want to know what's.

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Speaker 4: Coming until it comes, right until it happens, and then

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we're there right exactly. And that's what that was, right

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when you know they couldn't imagine being in that situation

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until you're in that situation m m. And then time

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slows down and mystical things happen and you know it's

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it's uh and I feel like there's so many of

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these cool things that not just me, anybody experiences in

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their life. And then afterwards, immediately afterwards, you've got this

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kind of hypomania and adrenaline running and you can't believe

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that it happened. And then over time kind of life

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gets in the way and you kind of forget, Wow,

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there was that was amazing. There was something, you know,

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really mystical about that and so, and that was one

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not just afterwards, but on the cliff, because there's something

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happened while I was on the cliff, right, And then

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it became a good structure for talking about you know,

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our aubuntu, as doctor LaRue would say, right right, you

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know I am because of you, you right, you know

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that we we exist because we're in this place together

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's strange because I've even gone in

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my own world more that everything is a reflection of you,

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which is weird, right.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's weird.

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Speaker 4: I mean there are people will say that, you know,

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the the universe is like a mirror, right, yes, and

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then everything to you, what you.

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Speaker 2: Got, what you offer it, or what you were offering

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or because then I was even talking to a family

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member who said, I have been trying to manifest a

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job and a different job and different this and that,

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and I just I don't like the person that I do.

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All she does is complain. And then I sat there

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and realized, Yeah, that's me. It's just me. Being reflected

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back to me through that person and you go, whoa,

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and it is weird and we don't think of life

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that way almost because it's I don't know that it's

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too hard to but it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 4: It's I was thinking about this this morning, and because

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I knew we'd cover some of this stuff, and I

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was I'm always trying as a you know, as a

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tenured professor, I want to make sure that I'm not

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coming across as too.

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Speaker 3: Woo woo and things like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me give that real quick. You are the

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head of the psychology department at St.

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Speaker 3: John Fisheral Council.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's a graduate program at Saint John Fisher

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University at Fisher. Yeah, great place to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is impressive what's going on over there.

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Speaker 4: That was originally why I reached out to you, is

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because when I wrote the first book, which I had

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nothing to do with you know, this kind of it

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Speaker 3: Using the oh yeah, yeah, yeah, with young people in therapy.

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Speaker 4: I thought of you is because I knew you were

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a Fisher Graham and I'd always appreciated some of the

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thoughts you had on things on the radio, like you know,

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you know it's this idea that you know, what we

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put out there back to us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if that's the case, like you, I mean,

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do you feel like when you got off the side

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of the cliff, And I know this is in the

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in the book, but I'll like you kind of the feeling,

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did you ever stop and think that's me coming back

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to me? I I I saved myself. I know. It

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was the mohawk and Carl and all these people and

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the hoisting up and dropping leashes down and swinging it

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over and when you're reaching for the leash. God, I'm

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reading this in bed, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, I'm glad it came across, Like

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it really came across.

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Speaker 2: But I'm picturing it in my head and I know

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you so maybe but it wouldn't matter or I was like, wow,

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but did you ever feel like that's me being reflected

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back to me? It's exactly what I would have done

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these people.

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Speaker 3: That are here, Jeez, I never thought about.

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Speaker 2: I didn't either, and it wasn't said in the book.

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I'm just saying it now because I go, you do

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a lot of good, and I think sometimes we don't

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recognize that within ourselves because we're told we shouldn't right,

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we should We're always told, you know, be humble, be this,

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be that, and maybe it's okay to privately go I'm

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a good person and I do good stuff. And it

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just came back to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not where my head was at, right.

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Speaker 4: No, No, I know it was going up we were,

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you know, it was I typically like I finished the

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high the forty six hig Peaks in the Aroundics with

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my oldest daughter just a couple of years ago, and

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which we actually did after this experience, and I really

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enjoy that kind of thing. This, this particular hike was

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a family hike. Yeah, you know, we had my our

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really good friend and their dog with us too, and

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I kind of felt responsible for the whole group. It

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wasn't high peak, it wasn't an especially difficult mountain. It

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was only like five miles to the top or something

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like that.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And so I going up there, you know, as I

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was climbing, I felt like this, Oh geez, I just

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want to be you know, part of this. I just

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want to enjoy this right now. But I've got all

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I've got to make sure that you know, my my

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kids are Okay, everybody's said and every time I hear

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someone get I guess.

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Speaker 2: At some point you say something like I we want

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to listen to the trees, yes, bathing, You want to yeah, right,

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we want to hear them sucking the water up, like

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hear the sounds that you can't hear. Yes, but we

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knowlways going on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is that's the idea.

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Speaker 4: It's a nature based approach to approach to therapy called

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forest bathing, and and I teach it to my clients.

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But you know, in this particular moment, it was a

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hard place. It was hard to do that because I

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had all of these competing obligations, and so after coming

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back up to answer your question, it was just this

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intense gratitude, right, Like you know, I was maybe before that,

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I was kind of not annoyed that I wasn't by

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myself in the woods, but like annoyed that I had

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all these you know, obligations and things that I needed

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to focus on. And then you know, after that, you know,

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you know, forty five minutes to an hour on the

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side of the cliff, I was just filled with gratitude, right.

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I was grateful to the people who helped me out.

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I was grateful to the dogs because they had the

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leashes that we were able to tie together. I was

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grateful to my wife for throwing me the cliff bar

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because my sugar went low. I was grateful, so, you know,

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and like all of those things. Yeah, Like it's it's like,

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you know, it's like when you lose your keys and

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then you find them and everything is great again. Right,

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not only great again, but better than it ever was

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before you lost your keys.

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Speaker 3: Right right inside? That was I think the feeling that

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I had.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how long did that last? Days? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And that's so I brought it back to our group, right,

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I always say when I'm when I'm teaching my classes,

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I I asked my students if they've ever been to

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like a diner and seen you know, the five eighty

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year old guys in the corner, you know, drinking coffee

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and you know, because I used to.

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Speaker 3: Go in No, well I had.

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Speaker 4: Maybe sometimes we're yes, but I always was envious of

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those I feel like, what a life to get up

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and go have your coffee in the diner with people

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who know you relate to and I and we ended

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have breakfast with those folks every once in a while.

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back from this, uh, this experience, and I shared it

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It's very instrted to seeing it the path. People go like,

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what took you the academic to keep going on on

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the mental health and the doctor program, Because that's that's

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a lot of work, man, And that's a lot of work.

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And I will tell you having done what im not

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their mind. Let's that's not right. But it's more physical

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than writing a paper at times, is more exhausting than

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building a brick wall.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a different kind of Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean it really can train you.

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Speaker 4: It can I think mainly because of you know, the

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the rewrites and you know, being able to accept feedback

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and things like that. Right, that's the difference between I

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think writing something and building a brick wall. Right, you

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build a brick wall, you can get all the energy out,

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you can stand back and you can look at it

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and you can admire what right, and you know, no

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one's gonna come and say, oh, you put that brick

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in the wrong place and put a different brick in there, right,

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I'm writing, It's like you build that brick wall, and

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then you got to knock it down, and then you

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build again, and then people someone comes over and points

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something out and you got to knock it down, and

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then over time you're just knocking down little parts and

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rebuilding those, right. But and so yeah, I think that's

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for me probably a difference between writing and building a

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brick wall. And I think I said on here before

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you know it's it's also a way of just sharpening

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your tools, right, yeah, twenty five percent of the time,

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twenty five We got to one of my mentors, doctor McCabe,

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who you know, is a woodworker, and he suggests that

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no matter you know, what we want to do, if

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it's meaningful, we should dedicate twenty five percent of our

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time to sharpening our tools, which basically means, you know,

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we're not going to get you know, one hundred percent

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productivity out of you know, out of a day, right,

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we're going to go you know, twenty five percent of

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that was sharpening our tools and helping us do what

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we need to do. And that's okay, right, We're not

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going to do the other seventy five percent really well

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unless we dedicate that twenty five percent to sharpening.

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Speaker 2: I think that's yes. I've heard him say that, and

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I think that it's very true and something that many

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times we don't do. So sitting in the practice of

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whatever it is, you know, even exercise or meditation, all

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of it is sharpening your tools, your body or whatever.

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Speaker 4: The results right, yes, yes, the results exactly. You've got

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to If you're not seeing results, then it's you gotta

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make sense of it somehow.

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Speaker 2: But I've been impressed because I remember saying to you,

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how are you doing all this?

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Speaker 3: And he said to me, I don't watch TV.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just go and do it. And I was

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asked for an intention for the healing that I had,

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and I said, I want to have a follow her.

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That's what I want follow her. And it made me

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think of you, because I go, boy, doctor rig I

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mean everything from your daughter is an elite athlete, which just.

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Speaker 3: Picked for just Thursday.

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Speaker 4: She got She's the only kid in Western New York

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to make it to the US and the nationals for

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USA field hockey. So there's a one hundred and thirteen

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girls from around the whole country who got chosen for

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this in Virginia Beach in July, and twenty seven of

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them will end up being on the US national team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the US national team. Is this the

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the Olympic team or potentially or is this the under

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like a certain.

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Speaker 4: But I think they it changes every year, right, and

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so some of the girls would would be potentially on

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the Olympics. You know, my daughter is young right now,

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she's only sixteen. Yeah, but it's that's it's that's the pathway.

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This is the Yeah, you know, you get to nationals,

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you make it and then it's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so, it's so cool.

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I got to talk to Kevin and I respect him

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so much as a as a hockey staff today.

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Speaker 2: Saint Lawrence University, maybe.

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Speaker 3: That's where my oldest daughter goes.

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respect any hockey parent. It's a lot of a lot,

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a lot of work, a lot of travel. I mean

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she started the Yeah, yeah, she started playing ice hockey

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and then that kind of she learned how to play

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really fast. And then once she started playing field hockey,

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it was just kind of comically good because she was

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used to playing on the ice and now everything was

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moving slow for her. And so it's so much fun,

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so much fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: I love it. She uh wow. And then she's going

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college on yep.

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Speaker 3: Yep, she's going.

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Speaker 4: Well, she's going to Wagner, which is so now. I

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got to talk to Doug yep, because he went to Wagner.

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When I listened to the podcast here, I'm like, oh

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my god, I got to talk to that guy for that. Yeah,

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I gotta get Dougs in president. So she's going to

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Wagner and play D one field hockey and yeah, goes amazing. Yeah,

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it's man, the process is ridiculous. I feel something again.

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00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,200
You know, you've got Jamison's a freshman right now. I

476
00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:46,200
know he got some aspirations around basketball. You know, it's

477
00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:49,440
not too early to really start thinking about these things.

478
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,799
You know, we probably were a year late getting avas

479
00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:55,880
started in the recruiting process. Uh, you know, the the

480
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,880
D one programs are their kids are committing in their

481
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,000
front their sophomore year.

482
00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: I think I just read Separate a young man from

483
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,759
Monroe High School. I think he's a junior committed to

484
00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:11,559
Oregon football.

485
00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 4: I saw that on Yeah, I saw it on prime

486
00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:17,799
time on their primetime five five Instagram feed.

487
00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:21,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Kids like, that's impressive, but you have another year

488
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:22,359
of high school.

489
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, actually it's late to commit to

490
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,680
a school like Oregon. You know, a lot of I'm

491
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,440
going to guess that he was one of their last

492
00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:34,519
commits because a lot most big D one programs now

493
00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:36,039
the kids are committing their sophomore year.

494
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 3: Wow, it's crazy. Yeah, and it doesn't seem right right,

495
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,240
Like you know, it doesn't usually time to develop.

496
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, all of a sudden, somebody shoots

497
00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:50,480
up and I don't know for sure. Yeah, yeah, it

498
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,680
so this has got to be a big deal in

499
00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:53,960
the family for everybody.

500
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 3: It's exciting. I think it would be.

501
00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 2: I mean, to me, it's it's amazing, and I I

502
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,839
love that you. I love your enthusiasm with it, your

503
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,839
post and you've been along for the ride. You've really

504
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,359
been the passenger in this. But it's giving us all

505
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,720
a view of it, it's the greatest.

506
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,279
Speaker 4: I'm an equipment manager, yeah, and it's it's the greatest.

507
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:15,519
And I'm probably the last person she wants to hear from,

508
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,000
but you know, I have those rare moments where she

509
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,000
wants to know what I think about something and I

510
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:20,519
just did.

511
00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:24,039
Speaker 3: Just Uh, it's it's fantastic. I've got three daughters and

512
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:25,119
they're all super different.

513
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: You know.

514
00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 4: My oldest is a you know, mountaineer. She's guiding this

515
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,640
summer in the other rondeck. She's living on a in

516
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,599
a in a yurt on an island for the fall semester.

517
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,160
Instead of studying abroad, she's going and living on an

518
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,920
island in a yurt for the whole semester, and her

519
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,519
professors will paddle out to her, you know, each week.

520
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:48,400
What Yeah, where Saint Lawrence University? Yeah yeah, yeah, and

521
00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:50,359
then yeah, what time of years is this?

522
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,319
Speaker 2: In the fall? Yeah?

523
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,559
Speaker 3: I know. And there's no showers, there's no running water,

524
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,559
there's no electricity. That there she's it's uh, it's badass.

525
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:00,519
I'm so impressed.

526
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

527
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm jealous and kind of like amazed that she

528
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,680
would want to do this, but yes, she does. And

529
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:11,599
then you know, Ava's the field hockey player. And then

530
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:13,400
I had a twelve year old who's you know, a

531
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,519
puppy parent at the moment.

532
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 2: That's great, Yes, he knew puppy in the house.

533
00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

534
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

535
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:19,319
Speaker 3: A lot of questionable decisions happening this spring.

536
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,599
Speaker 2: That's all right. It makes it all fun, It makes

537
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,400
it interesting, interesting for sure. So you with your daughters

538
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:28,319
and then I know you, you see a lot of

539
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,039
youth through mindfit gem.

540
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So mindfit is my private practice.

541
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: And I love the name, by the way. I appreciate

542
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,319
that only because I think that is absolutely the best

543
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,480
way to look at mental health.

544
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 4: Well that was the original idea, right, and it's still

545
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,640
somewhere there in my mind. And you and I are

546
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,599
in a similar place in life and that we've I

547
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,319
think you feel kind of the time clock taking right.

548
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I said that.

549
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 3: The other day.

550
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: I go, if there's if the average human lives to

551
00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:59,559
seventy eight in America, and I got twenty four years left,

552
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,599
I get moving.

553
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And so that's motivation and this is all that.

554
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 4: The idea for mind fit came about about ten years ago,

555
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,039
and what I really wanted to do is I wanted

556
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:14,319
to essentially create a gym for mental health. And so

557
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,839
the idea, I see a lot of people who are neurodivergent,

558
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,519
people on the autism spectrum, and I use a lot

559
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,279
of like biofeedback and neurofeedback and that type of technology

560
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,839
and my work video game stuff, and so I wanted

561
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:28,559
to create a space where we would have all that

562
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,759
technology available, you know, stations for positive thinking, stations for mindfulness,

563
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:35,359
stations for biofeedback, things like that, just like you'd see

564
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:38,839
you know, stations for different you know, muscle groups and

565
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,000
a gym, and then have interns from Saint John Fisher,

566
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:46,359
you know, essentially play the role of trainer and then

567
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,319
instead of having a like you come to an appointment

568
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,279
and you know, talk about your problems type model, right,

569
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,720
we would have sure, sure you could access individual group

570
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:58,799
or group of counseling. But once you feel like you've

571
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,960
got the what you need, we can provide the biofeedback,

572
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,400
te technology, we can provide you know, the tools that

573
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,720
you need to come in and practice that on your own.

574
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:09,440
And so like a gym, you would come in and

575
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,400
use your membership and there might be a class going

576
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,079
one day on mindfulness that you could participate in if

577
00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:18,559
you remember, and so yeah, that's still the kind of

578
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,680
vision is that we would have essentially a gym for

579
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:22,279
mental health.

580
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: I love it because I do think that I don't

581
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:32,799
know if we look at you hear a lot about

582
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:39,599
mental health awareness, But what's the next step beyond awareness

583
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:43,400
the society needs to know about. And that's the stuff

584
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,920
that I because here's why often I'll hear things that

585
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,799
would fall under mental health. It's my anxiety, but it's

586
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,599
said in a glib way, yeah, like you know, almost

587
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:59,319
as though I you know. And I thought, how do

588
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:05,519
you make meaningful change in those areas when I don't

589
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:08,799
know that we fully grasp or understand what mental health is?

590
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,119
And just like your body, if you're not going to

591
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,119
the gym, slowly you gain the weight and you get

592
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,200
out of shape and you can't lift as much and

593
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,279
you can't because you're not exercising those muscles. And I

594
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,480
that's why I love the idea of the mind fit gym.

595
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,359
But what in mental health? How do we kind of

596
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,680
change that with everybody?

597
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I think part of it's the words we use, right,

598
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,039
I don't even I don't even love I don't love

599
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,119
the term mental health issues.

600
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: Right, it's it's mental illness. Let's call it what it is, right.

601
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 4: I you mentioned anxiety when you When I teach anxiety

602
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,119
how to work with anxiety to my graduate students and fisher,

603
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,240
the first thing I do is I have them, you know,

604
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,640
get in groups and come up with a sentence without

605
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,839
using Google that they can all agree on a one

606
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,400
sentence definition of anxiety, right, And and I out of

607
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,559
ten times that definition is something like, you know, excessive

608
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:09,000
worry that causes you know, pain, and you know it

609
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:10,680
makes it hard to do the things you need to do,

610
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:11,119
and you're life.

611
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: You know.

612
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:16,559
Speaker 4: It's all sorts of really problem based ideas. And I

613
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,519
know that I'm doing this when I when I ask

614
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:20,880
them to do this activity, but I'm really catching them

615
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,799
to remind them, Hey, I know you've been in school

616
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,759
to learn about mental illness all this time and how

617
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,599
to treat mental illness. Anxiety isn't a mental illness. We

618
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,920
need anxiety. Anxiety is super important, right, And I work

619
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,839
with athletes, you know, when we talk about anxiety and

620
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,079
how to manage anxiety. Right, that's where we start with

621
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:41,480
the kind of the definition of that word. Right, you know,

622
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:44,119
most athletes will say, well, anxiety is what you know,

623
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:46,720
is what prevents. It's what makes me think that I

624
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:49,119
can't do something or pernects me from doing what I

625
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,799
want to be able to do right, And I said no, No,

626
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,839
anxiety means that you care, right, and what would you

627
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,440
rather be doing than something you care about.

628
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: Connors and Ferris handles workers comps, social security, disability and

629
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:03,440
personal injury cases. Listen, I get it. Workers' comp claims

630
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,839
can be a real pain. But Connors and Ferris are

631
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,640
here to fight for you and get you the compensation

632
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,839
you deserve, whether you threw out your back on the job,

633
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,240
slipped when you should have gripped, or your boss thinks

634
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:20,519
overtime means free labor. Spoiler, it doesn't. They've got your

635
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,920
back at connorson Ferris with offices in New York City, Syracuse, Rochester,

636
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,119
and Buffalo. They're the go to team for getting the

637
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,559
compensation you deserve. No gimmicks, no nonsense, just real results.

638
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,880
Call connorson Ferris two six' to two. Comp that's two

639
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:41,160
six' to two Comp for Connors. In ferris have you

640
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,519
Been To leo's Bakery and Deli And east. Rochester, recently

641
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,240
oh you gotta. Get there they're open, every day so it's.

642
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:50,079
Very convenient it'll satisfy your, sweet tooth your. Sandwich cravings Get.

643
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:53,279
The cubano Tell them billified said to Have the, cubano

644
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:58,200
sandwich fresh, baked bread hand, crafted pastries, deli favorites and

645
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,519
Desserts like canoli's that'll make you rethink your. Self control

646
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,240
it's all waiting. For you so what's the best Thing About?

647
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:09,160
Leo's everything check them out A desk beast Drive In.

648
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,960
East rochester because every day is a good Day. For

649
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:16,039
leo's because the best Thing about leo's, is everything and

650
00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:17,759
a lot of. TIMES too i will tell, people THAT

651
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:19,599
and i don't know what it does to the, ticket

652
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,960
price but day of they'll release the friends and family

653
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:26,480
usually because they always. Hold back and THAT'S how i

654
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:30,079
got great Seats to Haul and, oates right because somebody knew.

655
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: The drummer sometimes if you're willing to take, the risk

656
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:33,519
that's THAT'S what.

657
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: I do For the.

658
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,119
Speaker 4: Bills games, BILLS games i don't even we go and.

659
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,079
We plan we figure we might not get into, the

660
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:41,960
game but we'll have, fun tailgating and so we go plan.

661
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:44,119
Our tailgate we go to our tailgate thing and then

662
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:46,720
right as the, game starting we look to see if

663
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,640
we can get something to.

664
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,359
Speaker 3: Get tickets and it's every time.

665
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:49,839
Speaker 2: It's worked.

666
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: You know one time we were two, years ago maybe

667
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,319
maybe three, years ago we did that and we ended up.

668
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: Getting box SEATS. WITH. O. J, simpson, yeah yeah like

669
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:04,160
we were In, A yeah i got.

670
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,599
Speaker 2: A picture, oh yeah this is.

671
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,559
Speaker 3: The greatest, It's, crazy, yes yeah.

672
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,079
Speaker 4: It was so we were, in separate like we're in

673
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:12,599
the same kind of, box area but he had a.

674
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Different Door and i'm pretty sure at some POINT because

675
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,440
i saw HIM and i saw what, was HAPPENING and

676
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,759
i just started laughing uncontrollably because it was just one

677
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,599
of those kind, of, nervous weird oh, MY god i

678
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:24,960
can't believe this is happening. Type things and he looked,

679
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,319
at me, you know as if, you know what's this

680
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:28,960
guy laughing at?

681
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,759
Speaker 3: Me for and he closed.

682
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: The door and THEN so i in my in, MY

683
00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:36,519
fantasies i think that like, that night he was going

684
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:38,000
to bed thinking why was that guy laughing?

685
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,319
Speaker 2: At me did you get any picture?

686
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 4: OR anything i got a picture of him with other

687
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:46,799
people getting. A picture i didn't felt it. FELT icky.

688
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,039
Speaker 2: I am so with you, On THAT but i find.

689
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,799
THE whole i find human beings just.

690
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 4: So much people were so wanting to get selfies. With,

691
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:58,160
them yeah they were smiling and so happy to.

692
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,319
Speaker 2: Get interesting, because oh for a lot of the people

693
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:03,960
that were, taking pictures they never saw him carry. A

694
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,559
football i will be honest, with you my dad was

695
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,400
not a. FOOTBALL fan i became a football fan at a.

696
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:14,160
Young AGE but i was at an AGE where oj

697
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,279
was on the Cover Of sports illustrated as a forty.

698
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,039
NINE er i didn't know he played For The, buffalo

699
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:21,039
BILLS and i know.

700
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,799
Speaker 3: Him as the actor and the. Naked, GUN yeah i had.

701
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: No idea, and then of course we know what happened

702
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,480
In ninety it was, ninety three, ninety four, ninety, four,

703
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:33,319
yeah yes, ninety four and then the trial was ninety

704
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,960
five and and just all, of, that right and since

705
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:38,720
then we've seen all. The stuff and then. He DIED

706
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:42,920
but i would love to Go on twitter and Hear.

707
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,079
HIS twitter i couldn't. Follow him i'd try To, find

708
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:52,359
Yeah hate. TWITTER world i found, him, interesting, intelligent likable

709
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,200
all the things that made him what. HE was, i mean,

710
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:59,119
come on but yet this dark side to, this GUY

711
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:03,039
and i always wanted, to know like what is in?

712
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,400
That head and maybe you can even answer this to

713
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:09,519
some degree without being. The person but how do you?

714
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:13,840
Walk around i'm not saying he. Did it i'm saying

715
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,000
everybody thinks he. Did it how do you? Walk around

716
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,519
how do you show your face? In public how are you?

717
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,840
This thing and then there is this weird Thing in

718
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,719
america where we come around full circle. With people we,

719
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,559
want you we love when you're, on top and then

720
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:32,840
we want to knock you off and then we'll bring you.

721
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,320
Back AGAIN and i was just saying to the guys

722
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,280
because we taped an, EPISODE earlier, I Go tom cruise

723
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,440
is an example. OF that a few, years ago he's

724
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,599
Jumping on oprah's couch and we're calling him, awful guy

725
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,719
and he's yelling about postpartum depression and the depression Meds

726
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,559
That brooks shields, is on and he's Arguing With matt

727
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,239
lauer and we know what Happened, to matt and we

728
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,840
see all this stuff and now like he was kind of,

729
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,239
You Know, tom cruise he's crazy. As scientologists. He's this now, we're,

730
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,239
going hey you save The movie street DURING right, i

731
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,639
mean do. We not you saved the move into INDUSTRY

732
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,920
during covid, and oh by, the way hell of a

733
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,400
stunt man could have been a great. Stunt man as

734
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,760
a matter, Of fact i'm. PRETTY sure i keep Reading

735
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,480
as i'm very excited for this RIDICULOUS movie f one.

736
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:19,519
Coming out but it's the same people who produced The second,

737
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:23,440
maverick Movie The top, Gun movie and, they, said yeah

738
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:23,800
we Didn't.

739
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,679
Speaker 3: WANT tom i heard that thought he'd. Kill, himself, yeah yeah.

740
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:29,039
Speaker 2: Because he would take it. Too FAR and i go you,

741
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,519
but again somewhat of a. FULL, CIRCLE oj i felt

742
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:36,920
like went from hero to zero and almost almost back in.

743
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:40,679
Some way we certainly got on the plus side of

744
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,119
that because every time he Came, to BUFFALO and I thought,

745
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,159
i COULDN'T but i would certainly WATCH because i want,

746
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:50,840
to say what? Is that and nothing else was? EVER

747
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,320
like oj did nothing? Else, Bad right he stole his

748
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,800
own stuff back and they punished him for.

749
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,679
Speaker 4: The, murders yeah probably think there was probably some domestic.

750
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:02,840
VIOLENCE stuff, i think.

751
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: Oh, there was but prior, to, that, yes right but

752
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:05,760
we didn't know.

753
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,679
Speaker 4: About it we didn't know about it, All, RIGHT yeah

754
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,800
i don't know how you would walk around.

755
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: Having that, YOU know i tend to think that he.

756
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:14,960
Did it, you know my.

757
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 4: ME too i thought your question was going to be

758
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,880
around how can you like walk around as how can

759
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,280
you on one hand do that something like that and

760
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,800
then on the other hand like be this, you know

761
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:28,239
larger in the life person Go on twitter, and all,

762
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,920
you know and, you know that's my answer to that

763
00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:35,960
IS there's i think we we, assume that, you know

764
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,400
mental illness and violence are, are correlated and. They're not,

765
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,840
you know people who are mentally ill are far more

766
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,320
likely to be victimized than the, oh sure yeah then

767
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:51,239
and so there's only two diagnoses that have any correlation

768
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,960
or relationship, to violence and that's a particular type of

769
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,679
schizophrenia and a particular type of post traumatic.

770
00:36:57,679 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 3: Stress disorder outside.

771
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 4: Of that it's far less likely that you would be

772
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,159
violent if you have a. Mental illness and and so

773
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,679
there's lots of reasons that cause violence and those types

774
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:11,079
of things. To happen and what is a sociopath a

775
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:14,519
sociopath would be it's it's a kind of more in

776
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:18,360
the personality, disorders, Category right if you've heard of antisocial,

777
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,679
personality disorder, you know some people assume that that means

778
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,039
all that person's. Not social they don't they won't hang out,

779
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:26,199
with you they don't look you in. The eye that's actually.

780
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:30,039
The opposite usually someone who has antisocial personality disorder is

781
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,960
some time to be some of the most charming people

782
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,559
that you're ever going, To meet like a PERSON. Like,

783
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:39,559
oj RIGHT and i have absolutely no regard for, you

784
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:44,840
know rules or norms or in many cases, you know

785
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,159
your feelings.

786
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: Or your well BEING that i. DON'T know. I thought

787
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,679
i've read in the past that CEOs of companies have

788
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,320
some of, those traits not that they, are sociopaths but

789
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,800
they have that COLD blooded i don't want to say

790
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,280
cold my ability to fire somebody make make, hard decisions

791
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,599
make hard decisions that will affect people's lives for the

792
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:12,079
betterment of, the company or we like to think that,

793
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,800
or WHATEVER but. I, DON'T yeah.

794
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 4: I mean i think there's some research that says that

795
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,039
people get to a high level oftentimes have some. Narcissistic

796
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:24,159
qualities but that's different than ming.

797
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 3: A sociopath, I yeah. I am.

798
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: It's a. Tough one it's a. Tough, one yeah it's

799
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:36,920
JUST the oj THING is i. FOUND it i find

800
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:43,119
it fascinating just watching people and how they interact with something,

801
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,280
like that someone, like that someone who was accused. Of

802
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,519
that And again I'LL say i think he. Did it

803
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,239
we never got a definitive answer in the.

804
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: Court of law other than well didn't fit a.

805
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: Civil trial but, even there at, that point you're kind,

806
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,320
of going he ain't paying the, money anyway so and

807
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,039
he's not going. To jail so what's the real consequence?

808
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:09,159
Of THIS and, i, go why how do you HOW

809
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:12,320
do i feel? About this, in word what's my reaction?

810
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,079
To IT and, I go i am fascinated by people

811
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,480
and how they react. To that i'm fascinated by people

812
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:19,039
and how they react to. Famous people.

813
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: It's amazing it's fascinated by how people function.

814
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,679
Speaker 4: ON it, I mean I SOMETIMES i i SOME days

815
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,119
i feel, really stupid but nan, IN general i Feel

816
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:33,079
like i'm a relatively, you know intelligent person and life, is, hard,

817
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,480
Yes right SO and i look AROUND and i see

818
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:37,679
like all the people who are somehow Managing and, I'M

819
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,199
like i don't know how is everybody?

820
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,639
Speaker 2: Doing this but, That okay so back to like what

821
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,320
we talked, about earlier and some of the doctor deep

822
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,440
things that you have certainly experienced MORE than. I have

823
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:52,280
but the idea that it's. Already done just relax the

824
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,400
sayings that we've heard all, our lives like Going, like

825
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:57,840
god like going, like it but.

826
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,599
Speaker 3: We can't what?

827
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: Is that why do we we have to feel like

828
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:05,599
we need to be in control of everything where instead

829
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,039
of go with. The flow, you know it's so much

830
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:10,639
harder to swim upstream than it is to just go with.

831
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: The, FLOW yeah, I don't i, don't know BUT this

832
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,159
i think the self has to do with.

833
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 4: It, Again, yeah like we we have this connection to

834
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,400
the self when we're in this body and, you know living,

835
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,039
this life and that's gotta it's it helps, keep us,

836
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,880
you know on on track when we're in. This life

837
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,199
maybe if we were going with the flow all, the

838
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,800
time right then then there would be that, You know

839
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,760
i'm assuming that the self exists for, a, reason, right

840
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,320
yes and that uh, you know we these mechanisms within

841
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,519
us exist for, a reason. Right right but, UH yeah

842
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:50,440
i also agree that it seems like at everything when

843
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,239
you look at it from a quantum perspective or all

844
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,360
the stuff that we're, learning about, you know it kind of.

845
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,400
Doesn't matter everything's already. Been done it's almost like people

846
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,000
talk about, simulation THEORY which i don't necessarily, ascribed TO

847
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,639
but i do like the idea of simulation theory from a, therapeutic,

848
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,880
perspective right because the idea is that we chose. This,

849
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:13,280
Life right We chose it's not that this is it's

850
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,880
not that we're a player in someone. Else's game we're

851
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:18,719
still a player in our. Own game we chose. This life,

852
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,599
you know people who talk about, simulation theory including quantum

853
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,159
physicists and people, like that, will say you know that

854
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:28,719
we our soul at, some level chose to play, this

855
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,400
life and every difficult thing that happens in our life

856
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,000
is has, already happened but it's intended to be part of,

857
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:37,360
that game and it's intended to be something that teaches. A.

858
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 3: Lesson right and so even.

859
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:42,559
Speaker 4: If that's a, ridiculous theory thinking about things from that

860
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:46,199
perspective sometimes can, be, helpful right because, ask YOURSELVES if

861
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,840
i really did, choose this if this is, a simulation

862
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,159
then what is this Thing that i'm dealing with?

863
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: Right now what is it trying to?

864
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:52,519
Speaker 2: Teach?

865
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 3: Me right WHY did i choose to have?

866
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 4: That experience and WHAT did I think i needed, to

867
00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:01,880
learn and IT'S it's i think about just a better way.

868
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Speaker 4: Morphic, resonance no, All right so there's this concept called.

900
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,679
Morphic resonance they've done a bunch of rat studies and

901
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,159
they would what they do is they take rats from

902
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:12,599
the same family and they would put half of Them,

903
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:15,280
in california and they would teach them how to run through,

904
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,679
a maze and they would have half of them On

905
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,679
The east coast and they would just they would have

906
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,599
them run through. The maze and they they found that

907
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,480
when they if the Rats in california who were part

908
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,239
of the, same family learned how to run, the maze

909
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:32,199
that the rats In The east coast would run the

910
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,320
maze more quickly after the Rats in california.

911
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,079
Speaker 3: Learned, How right and so.

912
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,199
Speaker 4: The theory is that there, is this especially for people

913
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,880
who are connected in, some way that this kind of, mutual,

914
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,800
learning right like if we if, you know one part

915
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,079
of the unit, learns something that there's something that impacts

916
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,079
the other part of the unit so that they're become

917
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:55,239
better at it or they become more Able to and.

918
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: This is mice that were. Genetically. Connected, yep yeah that's

919
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:00,760
different coasts called.

920
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 4: Morphic resonance if you look at research and rat learning and,

921
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,119
morph resonance it's.

922
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:09,559
Speaker 2: Right there so almost like they telepathically in some way

923
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:13,639
connected on who was doing what. Or understanding doesn't it

924
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:17,679
seem to? You good that's, One, argument Yeah because i'm,

925
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,480
you know the telepathy tapes. ARE interesting, i know you

926
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:23,559
sent me. Another Episode i'm i'm a, little BEHIND but i.

927
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,239
HAVE enjoyed I think i've listened to seven episodes. OF

928
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,199
that i find, it fascinating, super cool really find. It

929
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:31,159
fascinating it's TOUGH.

930
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 4: Because i work with a lot of parents of people,

931
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,800
with autism and, you know there's some, concern that, you

932
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,360
know this type of thing is giving people false hope

933
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:44,000
and stuff, like that And so i'm really cautious ABOUT

934
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,320
who i talk to about it AND how. I present but,

935
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,159
it's fascinating.

936
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: IT'S fascinating i almost feel like there's some truth. TO

937
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:59,440
that i did a. WEIRD experience i had two non

938
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:06,800
verbally MEN when i, was subbing and the one each

939
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,480
one of them had one to, one aides and the

940
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:14,239
one guy's aide went, to lunch and so he plopped

941
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,360
them down in a chair and he was sort of

942
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,840
sitting near me and we just. Started TAPPING so i,

943
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,000
WAS like i know you can, Hear ME so i,

944
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:23,239
start tapping and then he'd taken my hand and he's

945
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,960
tapping and we're, doing it and then another boy who

946
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:29,719
doesn't speak he. Comes over now we're on on this giant,

947
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,880
bean bag and that kid's laying next to me and

948
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,440
puts his head in my lap and is like taking

949
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,760
my hand to hit his ribs to keep, the Rhythm and, i'm,

950
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,079
like boy there WAS something i was trying, To, say,

951
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,519
HEY hey i know you're. IN there i know you're,

952
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:48,800
in THERE and i get, nothing right, NO experience i can't.

953
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,840
Say anything but it was after hearing some of the

954
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,760
telepathy TAPES and, i went this, is amazing and we're.

955
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 4: Underestimating, things yeah, WELL we i mean would be ignorant

956
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:03,360
TO say i think that we don't you know that we, understand,

957
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,440
EVERYTHING right i think it's fair to say that we

958
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:09,039
are consciously aware of maybe one percent of what's, happening,

959
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,159
Around right and so if that's, the case, then yeah

960
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,400
there's lots of stuff that we, don't understand and we

961
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:17,880
need to keep an. Open mind the tricky part again

962
00:47:18,039 --> 00:47:20,719
is where, you know sometimes we try to create words

963
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,719
to describe, these things and we can kind of take

964
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,960
it go off on our own narrative and agenda, with

965
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,920
them and then that's when it becomes hard to accept

966
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:31,559
or believe because we kind of get in, the.

967
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:36,079
Speaker 2: Way right exactly exactly what are the these these.

968
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 4: Are quotes from, so yeah we don't have to go

969
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,639
THROUGH many i would like to hear Some of so

970
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:46,159
this IS after i started working With. Doctor, deep yes

971
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,000
he somehow identified me to do these interviews with these.

972
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,840
Global experts it's hard to explain the, whole CONTEXT but

973
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:59,920
i had an opportunity to meet with over twenty just really,

974
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,800
a people some Of them, nobel laureates, you know people who,

975
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,679
you know Professors at Harvard and CAMBRIDGE AND u C.

976
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,320
L a and in the new Book that, I'M writing

977
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,960
i transcribed the INTERVIEWS that i did, with THEM and

978
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,400
I actually ai wasn't involved in the quotes that we're

979
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,199
going to look, at now but for some, of them,

980
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,519
they were, you know folks who didn't speak Very, good

981
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:24,239
english AND so i ran THEM through ai and it

982
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,000
cleaned it up and it made it easier to understand and.

983
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,760
Pretty amazing and So what i'm trying, to do what

984
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,199
we're trying to do With This Complimentary treatment methods Class

985
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,039
at fisher is start to open the eyes of mental

986
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:41,440
health counselors and other professionals to some of these concepts

987
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:43,960
and think about how they can integrate them into their

988
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:48,039
practice without becoming, you know woo woo or without being,

989
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:52,480
you know without, losing, Credibility right and so we're taking

990
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:56,519
things like, you know the telepathy tapes and reiki and

991
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:59,719
all these different areas where there's there's plenty of evidence

992
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,079
to suggest that there's, something, there right and we're trying

993
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:07,119
to examine. It critically we're trying to, Think, about okay

994
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,920
what could, this mean what's safe for us to bring

995
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:15,320
to our clients and. Talk about and so these INTERVIEWS

996
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,440
that i did were kind of along. Those lines and

997
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,440
there were three interviews in PARTICULAR that i isolated to.

998
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:26,440
Focus on one Was With, madame thanngelovu who is a

999
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:30,199
genetic researcher Out. Of cambridge he's amazing guy who cuts

1000
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,719
up genes and studies what's inside. Of them, and yeah

1001
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:39,480
he's really interested in the eighty percent of genes that

1002
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:41,880
We don't actually it's higher. THAN that i forgot the,

1003
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,159
exact percentage but there's a high percentage OF each dna

1004
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,039
that we don't know what, it, does right and we

1005
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:47,320
call IT.

1006
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: Junk dna ye don't know what?

1007
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 4: It does and he examined that's his specialty is looking

1008
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,280
AT junk dna and trying to figure out what. It

1009
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,559
does so he was one of the GENTLEMEN that. I

1010
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:59,280
interviewed I Interviewed, moro zapatara who IS a Phdmd from

1011
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,320
harvard now we're at u C l a studying cerebral spinal.

1012
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,840
Fluid UH and I Interviewed John, stewart reid who is an.

1013
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,800
Acoustic physicist, he uh he did an amazing experiment where

1014
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,960
he went into the pyramids and ran sound through the

1015
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,719
different through. The carsophagus. And uh when there was when

1016
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,480
he ran certain frequencies through, the carsophagus hieroglyphs showed up in.

1017
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,519
Speaker 3: The. Sand, wow yeah he wrote a book.

1018
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:27,039
Speaker 4: About it there, were witnesses there's uh and AND so

1019
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,480
i got to speak with all three of them because

1020
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:33,000
they all have their own particular along with a number of.

1021
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:35,519
OTHER people, i mean they all had their own particular

1022
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,679
interest and connection to naddi and to energy and its

1023
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:39,840
potential uses.

1024
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 3: And healing and so so the goal was it's kind of.

1025
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,280
Dense STUFF and i asked the students to watch.

1026
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 4: These INTERVIEWS but i knew that coming into class and,

1027
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,159
saying okay would you think of the interview wasn't going

1028
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,840
to go. Very far they were gonna probably h going

1029
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,679
to be pretty quiet and not be able to to really,

1030
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,679
talk much AND so i pulled out some of the

1031
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,360
quote it's from those INTERVIEWS that i thought were, especially

1032
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,320
cool and we just passed them around and we just

1033
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,719
went around in a circle and each student would read

1034
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,880
one of the quotes and then on a scale of one,

1035
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,480
to five they would say how much it resonated, With,

1036
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:13,599
them so, you know one would be that it didn't

1037
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:15,320
really resonate with me. At all five would be that

1038
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,920
resonated really strong with me for. Whatever reason and then

1039
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,480
we would talk about what are some potential applications to,

1040
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,039
your work what are some potential applications to being a

1041
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:28,079
mental health counselor that you could pull, From this and,

1042
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:30,239
SO yeah i brought a few of those TODAY because

1043
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,239
i wasn't sure where this conversation was going.

1044
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 3: To go and it's fair and they are.

1045
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,199
Speaker 4: Pretty cool, so yeah maybe maybe pick like two, of them,

1046
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,599
and okay we'll. Do that maybe pick like two of

1047
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:45,880
them that, you like and we'll do the same thing

1048
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,679
with YOU that i did with. My students don't you

1049
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,119
want me to?

1050
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: Read it, so yeah, Go, ahead okay this perspective shifts

1051
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,840
how we view the world if, We dwell i'm the idea,

1052
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,840
long enough it can transform how we interpret life and just.

1053
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,119
DECISION making i often ask people to reflect on a

1054
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,599
seemingly simple yet, profound question why did you choose?

1055
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,119
Speaker 4: Your parents m, all, right, so uh scale a one.

1056
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:13,559
To five how much did that resonate?

1057
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 2: With you why did you choose? Your? Parents Well probably

1058
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:24,440
i'm going to my knee jerk, answers THREE but i

1059
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:25,480
think it's actually higher.

1060
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,039
Speaker 4: Than, that, okay, yeah yeah and then we would again

1061
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,400
have a conversation about potential applications to.

1062
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: Mental.

1063
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,559
Speaker 3: Health right this is that idea that, you.

1064
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: Know in some ways shows you signed.

1065
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,039
Speaker 4: A contract the future informs, the, present right and and

1066
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,880
it also speaks to that idea, that yes, you signed

1067
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,599
you made, this decision you signed. A, CONTRACT yeah i

1068
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:46,719
mean so this is the person who said That Was,

1069
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:53,079
madame thanglovu the. Genetic scientist, Really ye and that quote,

1070
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,840
comes from, you know his own interpretation of a lot

1071
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,360
of really cool genetic research that, he's, done right and he, you,

1072
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,559
KNOW yeah i will not do, a justice but, you

1073
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:05,320
know based on cutting apart genes and looking at jeens in,

1074
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:08,840
you know kids, and parents you know he's able to

1075
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,320
make a reasonable argument that, you know the kids probably

1076
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,159
chose their parents at some point in order for the

1077
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,239
genes to parse out.

1078
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,559
Speaker 2: Like that, really, yeah yeah sometimes. YOU yeah i mean

1079
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,719
you ever see like there's a kid that does an

1080
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,159
amazing something and becomes somebody where the parents were not

1081
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,920
even close to that and it is something. Like that,

1082
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,679
all right let's see. One more we'll do.

1083
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 3: One.

1084
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: More okay the concept of, the observer, the observed and

1085
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,920
the process of observation, a trinity forms an essential Foundation in. Indian.

1086
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,079
Philosophy okay the perspectives lead to the realization that the

1087
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:55,920
observer and the observed are, not separate but part of the,

1088
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:02,440
same unit the observer and. The, observe okay, if intelligence if,

1089
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:08,159
intelligent operates if intelligence operates within this, unified framework then

1090
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:14,280
all intelligence, is finite yet capable of integrating with deeper

1091
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:19,480
realms beyond. Conventional understanding that, one's yeah that.

1092
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: ONE'S deep i don't want.

1093
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,519
Speaker 2: To say that was like a sixth, for me because

1094
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,400
it was the last sentence that intelligence, is finite there's

1095
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:31,360
there there's an end, to it or there's an amount,

1096
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,519
to it yet capable of integrating with deeper realms beyond, conventional,

1097
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:41,639
understanding so which almost makes it sound like it wouldn't

1098
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:44,800
be finite in a certain, you know going with, VERSE

1099
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,639
depth i, don't know, but yeah, that's interesting and it.

1100
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,559
Speaker 3: Also speaks to that idea that we were just.

1101
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 4: Talking about it's ironic that you chose, that, one right

1102
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,559
this idea that everything's kind of. Our, fault, Yeah right

1103
00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:59,119
and this is that kind of idea that, you know we,

1104
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,559
you know that nothing happens without not just our engagement,

1105
00:55:03,639 --> 00:55:05,599
in it but our observation of it and our, you

1106
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:06,360
know making meaning.

1107
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: Of.

1108
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 4: It right, you know there's research that says that there's

1109
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:15,039
certain things like if you look at in, an, atom

1110
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,400
right there's certain forget if it's the protons or, the

1111
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,079
electrons that will only appear if we're looking at, them

1112
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,840
right if we're observing, them right, All right and so

1113
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,719
that quote speaks to some extent to that process of,

1114
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,880
you know nothing really is without us making meaning.

1115
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 3: Of, It yes and that's something you say all.

1116
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: The time there's no meaning to any of this other

1117
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,000
than the meaning apply, to it which is basically the.

1118
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:44,400
Same THING and i only say that because a lot

1119
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,159
Of times i've seen, my kids myself get upset about

1120
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:52,280
something that when you step away. From it, oh gosh

1121
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,280
that really didn't. Mean anything WHY did i? Do THAT and,

1122
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,639
i thought WHY did i give it that? Meaning There

1123
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,840
because i'm the only one given at. That meaning nobody

1124
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:05,280
else is walking around with their. Head down Doctor, rob

1125
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,440
rice the head of the Mental health Department Of Saint John. Fisher,

1126
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:13,639
university UH and i please go get the Book With

1127
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,480
Notes Contemplating life's meaning On. The edge it's a great

1128
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,800
it's a. Great read that, whole scene like how you

1129
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:24,079
just turn into the flash and THE one i FELT

1130
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,719
like i just needed to talk to you a little

1131
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:27,079
bit more.

1132
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 3: About that you read you read the manuscript, for that

1133
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:32,119
the original and gave, me.

1134
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,159
Speaker 2: Yes yes and then the uh YEAH what? I thought

1135
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:41,320
that was one Of these we all have. The power

1136
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:41,679
you gotta.

1137
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,199
Speaker 3: Tap in you you're the REASON why i kept the

1138
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:50,320
fart story. In there, that's right.

1139
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:53,119
Speaker 2: YOU were i forgot you were On the that's like

1140
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:58,679
the greatest. Story ever just getting a. Massage uncomfortable malmseus,

1141
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,679
comes in ripped the.

1142
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,199
Speaker 3: Big one my head was stuck in that padded. TOILET

1143
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,239
seat i couldn't move for.

1144
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: Ripped it it, just said oh, Excuse me.

1145
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,119
Speaker 3: Oh it, was terrible and it happened when he was

1146
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:09,280
doing the. PERCUSSION thing.

1147
00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: I forgot.

1148
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 3: ABOUT that i forgot.

1149
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: About, that well it's your Fault that i've actually tried

1150
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:20,400
to do MORE because, i, Thought yeah, rob's right use

1151
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,199
the time while you, got it make hay while the.

1152
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,400
Sun shines. Let's go you're. Doing it you know what

1153
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,440
you're doing for Doctor. Rob Rice I'm. Bill moran we

1154
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,119
will see. You tomorrow it wouldn't have let us in,

1155
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:30,840
the night would?

1156
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,239
Speaker 3: Land it mamma's, locks bitch no sin now this besty

1157
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,760
Bowl a Bard The breast bandates see