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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from the dining room table at East

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<v Speaker 1>Barbury Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle

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<v Speaker 1>the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze

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<v Speaker 1>a few headlines for our decidedly queer lens and see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. This episode is brought to you by Decanted

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<v Speaker 1>jug Wine and the Exhaustion of the Ancestors. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Tyson Junior, and I'm your host more than Madrigal.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Full Circle Table. Hi baby, Hi, how

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<v Speaker 1>are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm here.

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<v Speaker 1>Word, I'm still here. That which aggravates the shit out

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<v Speaker 1>of some people, so love it. There we go, Existence

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<v Speaker 1>as Resistance.

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<v Speaker 2>That part, yeah, live full color and uppity as hail. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're going to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's going on with you? I'm good, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>I am like as full into my new job is

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<v Speaker 2>as ever. I'm like supervising up a storm. There you go,

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<v Speaker 2>making choices and decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>And just managing, which means that I'm so tired all

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<v Speaker 1>the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I busy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it feels different being busy at work.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, there you go. I'm a fan. Well, good. Good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at Audrey three, and she needs pruning or something.

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<v Speaker 1>The giant plant in our dining room. She's outgrowing her space.

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<v Speaker 2>She's into the side.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I need yet another piece of bamboo

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<v Speaker 1>or something, or I need to retie her growth. Autrey

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<v Speaker 1>is large.

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<v Speaker 2>And in charge, chunky yet funky. Oh wait, that's literce.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah she's big and healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we like untethered her from the bamboo and whatnot, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she wouldn't be able to fit in this room, or

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<v Speaker 2>at least not with us.

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<v Speaker 1>No, right, I have to I have to call our

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<v Speaker 1>friend planty mame and see how one prunes whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>hell this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever kind of tree this is, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe it is referred to as a big ass tree.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a big as tree.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's probably a way to, you know, take clippings

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<v Speaker 1>and start new plants or something. I just don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to do that. But yeah, she needs some downsizing anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's up. The plant needs to be made smaller.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm nursing a cold, but I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Here the cold that I'm afraid I gave to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty anyway. Anyway, that's that's how exciting life is

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<v Speaker 1>here inside the house. Outside the house, the world is

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<v Speaker 1>coming mad exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's actually good that our existence is what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there needs to be calm.

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<v Speaker 2>Somewhere somewhere in this month.

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<v Speaker 1>So people died, Yeah, we lost some notable folks.

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<v Speaker 2>James Vanderbeek passed away last week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a surprise. He was forty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, well, he had been battling cancer for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember reading about his health concerns a little while ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So but still, when he died, I was like, well, damn.

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<v Speaker 2>He was living with stage three colorectal cancer, announced November

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<v Speaker 2>of last year. No, I'm sorry November of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>and he battled as long as he could.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He leaves behind six children that I didn't know. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He was most famously known for Dawson's Creek, which I

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<v Speaker 2>never watched.

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<v Speaker 1>But I never did either, I know people did.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a beloved show. I was not the demographic

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<v Speaker 2>for that show.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, who was.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't a teenage white girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there you go, okay. It was a nighttime teen

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<v Speaker 1>soap opera on the WB Yes from nineteen ninety eight

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<v Speaker 1>until two thousand and three.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also in movies like Varsity Blues, Texas Rangers,

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<v Speaker 1>The Rules of Attraction, a contestant on Dancing with the Stars, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Rules of Attraction twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>He played.

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<v Speaker 2>He played the jock that the Bye main character had

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<v Speaker 2>a crush on. Okay, okay, I saw something he was in.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well he has gone at forty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is very young.

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<v Speaker 3>No kidding, no kidding. Robert Tuvall, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Duval died the day after Valentine's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ninety five years old. One of the greats in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of acting, for sure, Right, make that distinction, right,

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<v Speaker 1>The Godfather trilogy, right, or or at least the first two.

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<v Speaker 1>The Concilieri.

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<v Speaker 2>Concilieri, Yeah, he had.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a conservative, notably a conservative, although it seems

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<v Speaker 1>he's been quiet about Trump. From from what I've read,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't. He didn't have much to say in terms

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<v Speaker 1>or anything I think to say in terms of Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe he parted ways there. I don't know, But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, many famous roles, many many famous.

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<v Speaker 2>Roles, right, I mean, he wasn't actively a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'll give him that, But you know of

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<v Speaker 1>one of Hollywood's leading men, and also very often not

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<v Speaker 1>the leading man, you know, like the second lead, like

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<v Speaker 1>he was, you know, right, so he got juicier roles

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes than the star right, supporting, Yeah, supporting actor quite

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<v Speaker 1>often the one that.

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<v Speaker 2>Really hit Jesse Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Jackson, Yeah, died at eighty four. It's it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine the world without.

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<v Speaker 3>Him, is it.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse Jackson is another one of those people that was

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<v Speaker 2>always there my entire.

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<v Speaker 1>Life, right, exactly mine too, you know, I am somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Rainbow Coalition, the Rainbow Coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>He was right there when MLKA was shot.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he was.

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<v Speaker 2>For a good long while, especially in the nineties. He

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<v Speaker 2>and Al Sharpton were synonymous with a swift reaction to

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<v Speaker 2>racial injustice. Like if you fuck up, Jesse and Al

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<v Speaker 2>were out front the front of your house with a bullhorn,

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<v Speaker 2>one or both, right, usually both, it was either Al

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<v Speaker 2>or Alan.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesse.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in twenty seventeen, he did announce that he had

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<v Speaker 1>Parkinson's disease.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He picked up the mantle of doctor King and for

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<v Speaker 1>president twice. Yeah, long before Obama was elected in eight

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<v Speaker 1>never achieved either the commanding moral stature of doctor King

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<v Speaker 1>or the ultimate political time of Obama. Through the power

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<v Speaker 1>of his language and his pre ter natural energy, what

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<v Speaker 1>does that word meant?

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<v Speaker 2>Like more than human?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, an ambition. He became a moral and political force

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<v Speaker 1>in a racially ambiguous era when Jim Crow is still

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<v Speaker 1>a vivid memory and black political power more an aspiration

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<v Speaker 1>than a reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jesse was a little too fiery for the presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't believe that, but you know that

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<v Speaker 2>appears to be the case. Whereas you know, everyone likes

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<v Speaker 2>to attribute nonviolence in peace with Martin Luther King, Jesse

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<v Speaker 2>was like, fuck are you doing basically, except he would

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<v Speaker 2>never actually say those words.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave the Democratic He spoke of the Democratic National

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<v Speaker 1>Convention in San Francisco in nineteen eighty four. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>my constituency is the desperate, the damned, the disinherited, the disrespected,

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<v Speaker 1>and the despised. They are restless and seek relief.

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<v Speaker 2>His was a very powerful voice literally and spiritually for

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<v Speaker 2>the struggle for the people. And it's crazy to think

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<v Speaker 2>of the fact that he's not around. You know, he

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<v Speaker 2>inspired so many powerful movements like Black Lives Matter. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>was inspired by his work, his words.

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy, It's just crazy. Yeah, I'm just leaping through

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<v Speaker 3>his obituary the New York Times. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>His early work was, you know, alongside of doctor King

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties or at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>How about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just love like he had such uh clear cadence

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<v Speaker 2>when he spoke. Absolutely, my main focus is clarity and positivity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>love him, loved him my entire life. He was synonymous

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<v Speaker 2>with accountability, with having the courage of your convictions, with

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<v Speaker 2>mobilizing the people, you know, just being a leader.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He has been well known, and his name has been

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on the lips of many, for good or

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<v Speaker 1>or not so good, you know, depending right, for decades,

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<v Speaker 1>for my entire life. Yeah. So yeah, Rest in power,

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<v Speaker 1>Rest in power, Jessa Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>Also I've read today. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Isaiah Zegar, Yeah, died at eighty six. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>founder of Magic Gardens on South Street in Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, one of.

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<v Speaker 1>A very famous mosaic muralist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's actually a very good way of describing mosaic muralist. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very specific and immediately recognizable style, and examples

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<v Speaker 2>of it are all over Philadelphia. Sure, it's like pieces

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<v Speaker 2>of intentionally broken and arranged mirror glass and collared glass tile. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you walk around Philadelphia you will see examples

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<v Speaker 2>of his work. My favorite piece of his work is

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately no longer there. It was on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>the facade of the Painted the original Painted Bride Art

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<v Speaker 2>Center location in Old City Second.

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<v Speaker 3>And Vine recently torn down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they gentrified the area, took over the building, turned

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<v Speaker 2>it into a into condos. They are or they are

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<v Speaker 2>and they they like they were going to just demolish it,

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<v Speaker 2>but art preservationists like got there and like removed it

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<v Speaker 2>as painstakingly as they could to keep it intact, to

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<v Speaker 2>at least preserve it.

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<v Speaker 1>As much as possible. Right, But because that was that

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<v Speaker 1>was a cool space, iconic and that was his.

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<v Speaker 3>Work, I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, well known, Yeah, certainly, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>approachable public art exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Magic Gardens is definitely the biggest example of

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<v Speaker 2>his work, I think, on South Street, and that space

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<v Speaker 2>has been very popular location for decades. People have gotten

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<v Speaker 2>married there, There've been performances there. It's essentially a museum

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<v Speaker 2>art attraction.

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<v Speaker 1>So yep, so an icon in Philadelphia. So you had

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<v Speaker 1>put this article from the Washington Blade. You had flagged it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually from February seventh, so it's it's been out

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of weeks for discussion, So I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's it's neither good news nor nonsense, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is an interesting piece written by a trans journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac why trans suffering is more palatable than transambition. So

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<v Speaker 1>much of this resonated with me. Yeah, like so much.

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<v Speaker 1>As I'm reading this article, I'm like, uh huh been there?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh uh huh right, and what did you say?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I was reading the article, the story, and in my

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<v Speaker 2>head I kept swapping out transperson for black person, and

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<v Speaker 1>it opens and the current media and political climates. Stories

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<v Speaker 1>viral posts, and carefully worded statements of concern. The pain

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And a big part of that is like people

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<v Speaker 2>view rights as pie and if you get a slice,

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<v Speaker 2>then that leaves less for them, which is not true.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you know, sympathy is something you get to bestow, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that does not sit well with a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, if I'm not giving you charity, who the

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>How dare you right? How dare you think that you

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<v Speaker 1>The reason suffering travels more easily is not mysterious. Pain

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<v Speaker 1>not threaten status hierarchies, they confirm them. Sympathy can be

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<v Speaker 1>In this framing, acceptance remains conditional and charitable. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>picturing you know, black men who weren't allowed to have

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<v Speaker 1>a sexuality actors in you know, for so long, right

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<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood, Sidney, right, you know, because we couldn't think

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<v Speaker 1>of them in that regard because that was too threatening, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is true. You know, so often we are

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<v Speaker 1>when we're not begging, right, right, when we're not just victims, right,

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<v Speaker 1>when we have the audacity to live and be happy

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<v Speaker 1>and insist on joy and autonomy and a voice. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how about it? Yeah, ambition implies permanence, It implies entitlement.

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<v Speaker 1>It implies that trans people are not passing through society's margins,

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<v Speaker 1>but intend to occupy its center alongside everyone else. You

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<v Speaker 1>can see this discomfort play out in real time. When

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<v Speaker 1>trans people speak about wanting success rather than safety, the

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<v Speaker 1>response often shifts. Confidence is scrutinized, Assertiveness is reframed as arrogance,

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<v Speaker 1>Desire is recoded as delusion. The language changes quickly unstable, narcissistic,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that was what made me think of how

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<v Speaker 2>folks look at black people too.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. In public discourse, confidence and trans people is

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<v Speaker 1>frequently treated not as a strength but as a warning sign.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, that word ungrateful.

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<v Speaker 2>That tends to happen when an individual has received a

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<v Speaker 2>certain level of success, popularity, access, and they make people

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<v Speaker 2>happy and smile around them. But if they have an

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<v Speaker 2>opinion and express that opinion, even if it is a

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<v Speaker 2>popular opinion, then all of a sudden, oh, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to just stick to whatever it is that you're here

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<v Speaker 2>for and be grateful that you're allowed to have that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Success is framed as overcoming transness rather than inhabiting it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's in my mind, right right, let's think about that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because you know, success is framed is overcoming

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<v Speaker 1>race rather than inhabiting it, overcoming blackness rather than in habiting.

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<v Speaker 1>The narratives are all about otherness. It's all about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's another ring of a different name, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're right, it's so interchangeable in so many ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Right like, And while there are a lot more easily identifiable,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess examples of black power and success, the criticism

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<v Speaker 2>is just as swift and is exactly the same when

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<v Speaker 2>a again, you get to uppity and you start expressing

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<v Speaker 2>your opinions and making criticisms.

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<v Speaker 1>A trans person can be praised for resilience, but rarely

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<v Speaker 1>for dominance, excellence or command rally gains. Achievement must be softened, contextualized,

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<v Speaker 1>and made reassuring. This is especially visible and cultural reactions

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<v Speaker 1>to trans people who refuse modesty, transfigures who express sexual confidence,

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<v Speaker 1>professional competitiveness, or political authority routinely face backlash that their

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<v Speaker 1>CIS counterparts do not. They are accused of being too much,

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<v Speaker 1>of asking for too much space honey, of wanting too

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<v Speaker 1>much too fast. The underlying anxiety is not about tone.

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<v Speaker 1>It is about proximity, ambition collapses, the safe distance between

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<v Speaker 2>And that's an interesting point because I was sitting here thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>like CIS women that own their.

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<v Speaker 1>Sexuality, same thing, Oh women again, this was interchangeable with women,

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<v Speaker 1>as so much of it.

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<v Speaker 2>That don't get don't are still like villified. Like. The

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<v Speaker 2>and Cardi B when WAP came out and everyone's in

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<v Speaker 2>my acting like it was the downfall of society and

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<v Speaker 2>sodom and Gamore revisited. Meanwhile, all I saw was two

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<v Speaker 2>artists who were making all the money, doing the same

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<v Speaker 2>shit men have been doing for decades, except there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a man in the way taking like, taking away the

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<v Speaker 2>shine and the money. I was living for the.

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<v Speaker 3>Right their existence was.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that so right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Right trans people are encouraged to be grateful rather than

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<v Speaker 1>oh God, yes, rather than demanding visible rather than powerful,

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<v Speaker 1>resilient rather than authoritative, even within progressive spaces.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, lord, there.

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<v Speaker 1>Is often an unspoken expectation that trans people justify their

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<v Speaker 1>presence through pain rather than through competence or vision. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not liberation, it is containment.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, when you see a trans person in a place

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<v Speaker 2>of authority, in particular trans women, in pa articular black

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<v Speaker 2>trans woman, it's like, y'all shouldn't have to wear your

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<v Speaker 2>pain and your struggle on your sleeve, because the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you were in the spot that you are shows

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<v Speaker 2>you had to go through some shit to get here.

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<v Speaker 4>M hm.

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<v Speaker 2>So just take it as a given and don't fuck

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<v Speaker 2>with y'all. But you know that's common sense and ship

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<v Speaker 2>So I already lost people.

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<v Speaker 1>A society that can tolerate trans suffering but recoils at

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<v Speaker 1>transambition is not offering equality. It is managing discomfort. It

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<v Speaker 1>is willing to mourn trans deaths but uneasy about transdominance,

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<v Speaker 1>trans leadership, or transdesire. That does not ask permission. It

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<v Speaker 1>prefers trans people as evidence of harm rather than as

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of possibility. Right, Wanting more than survival is not ingratitude.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the baseline condition citizenship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, damn it, Yes, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Powerful peace powerful piece because I've read so much of

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<v Speaker 1>my own experience in it, you know, of being upity,

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<v Speaker 1>being told to watch my face, being told to watch

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<v Speaker 1>It was not ever, at least in the workplace, framed charitably, right,

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<v Speaker 1>mind your face.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is never why are you so fragile that

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<v Speaker 2>you're shrinking away from a tone?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think my biggest mistake in my previous workplace was

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped caring about that. I cared very much about

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<v Speaker 1>my work, very much about my clients, very much about

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<v Speaker 1>the quality of what I was doing. But I stopped

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<v Speaker 1>giving a shit that my boss behaved in securely, accused

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<v Speaker 1>me of things that weren't happening, accused me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>tone policing all the time. I stopped paying attention to

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<v Speaker 1>that because it was unnerving and there was nothing. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a lose lose situation, you know. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>focused on my work and not the politics of an

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<v Speaker 1>insecure woman. And it was my downfall there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you moved in a way that she couldn't begin

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<v Speaker 2>to do herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oh yeah, And I could see it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I could hear it in the words in the language,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like she didn't know how to grow to meet you,

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<v Speaker 2>so she wanted you to shrink to meet her.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of right, right. She was much more comfortable when

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<v Speaker 1>she was extending charity to me. Yeah, when she was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, taking care of me, because there was a time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, early in my career where she was just

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<v Speaker 1>a mentor and a champion. And that changed, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>It was such a.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess, lady experience, the whole thing. But yes, and so

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<v Speaker 1>much of it resonated in this article, and we're suffering

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<v Speaker 1>is more palatable, you know. And those are the narratives

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, I have tried to put aside in

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<v Speaker 1>the work that I do. And and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>let's not twist it. My work is focused with trans people,

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<v Speaker 1>not so much with SI people, right. You know, y'all

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<v Speaker 1>are onlookers, but it's focused on you know, really trying

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<v Speaker 1>to help trans people understand that they have enormous value

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<v Speaker 1>and there's nothing to apologize.

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<v Speaker 3>For, damn it.

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<v Speaker 1>And they get to take up space, yep. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that's important. I think it's important for us

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<v Speaker 1>to know that and see that. And it's not always

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<v Speaker 1>a popular stance. I mean, I see trans people apologizing

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<v Speaker 1>for existing all the time. Oh honey, you do not

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<v Speaker 1>speak for all of us, you know, but so much

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<v Speaker 1>of that, you know. That's why there are those tired

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<v Speaker 1>old things of like being born in the wrong body.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't born in the wrong body. I was born

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<v Speaker 1>in this body, right, you know, it's my body. Does

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<v Speaker 1>it fit society's ideals?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Right now they want to tell me what I am

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<v Speaker 1>based on biology. And I thought feminism the entire point

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<v Speaker 1>was that we are more than our biology, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And and spiritualism and Christianity and all of that says that,

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<v Speaker 3>But we're so much more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet this current narrative among Christian alleged Christians is

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't even actually make sense if you think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It never has it never will, right, you know, That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I spend time with families. That's why I spend

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<v Speaker 1>time educating family, you know, parents and loved ones. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I spend you know, intimate time with or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>private time, personal time with trans people to let them

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<v Speaker 1>know that they matter. Because too many this is the

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<v Speaker 1>narrative that we live under. And you know, as it

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<v Speaker 1>keeps escalating, and we're going to see that. We have

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<v Speaker 1>an article about the Heritage Foundation and their ugly, ugly

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<v Speaker 1>ugliness because they're getting more and more brazen and open

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<v Speaker 1>about it to talk about today. But you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>the face of all of that, our problem, more than that,

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways are the Democrats, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that too, you know, the people who are

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<v Speaker 1>ostensibly on our side, who say, but you probably shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be playing sports, or but you shouldn't really be in

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<v Speaker 1>that locker room, but maybe the bathroom thing hit, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you should mind your god damn business well, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you're taking little pieces of lies and saying that

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<v Speaker 1>seems to make sense even though it doesn't right, even

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<v Speaker 1>though it's not what's true, you know, and we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>it all play out with such volume and intensity. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the pedophiles are being exposed left, right and sideways, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet they they're pointing harder and harder at us, like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't look over here where it's actually happening, where your

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<v Speaker 1>children are actually unsafe. Right, But trans people, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>What we have?

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<v Speaker 1>We had a I believe, a trans identified shooter. What

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<v Speaker 1>third one ever?

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<v Speaker 3>I think?

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<v Speaker 1>And we've got folks talk about how trans people shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have guns. Suddenly that's the solution to gun violence. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>so if we're going by to take away the guns,

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<v Speaker 1>how many white men need to be disarmed? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>But that was never the answer when it was sis

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<v Speaker 1>white man.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe the phrase is not as much fun when

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<v Speaker 2>the rabbit has the gun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, how about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway? All of that and more in this episode A

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<v Speaker 1>full circle the podcast. Why don't we take a break

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<v Speaker 1>on that note and we'll come back with good news.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back.

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<v Speaker 1>How about good news? Yes, lawd Democrats have reintroduced the

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<v Speaker 1>Trans Bill of Rights in Congress as a moral commitment

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<v Speaker 1>to trans people. The effort is being led by Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Markey and Representative Promila Jayapal, Democrat from Washington, who

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<v Speaker 1>is the parent of a transgender child. Democrats in both

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<v Speaker 1>the House and Senate have reintroduced the Transgender Bill of Rights,

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<v Speaker 1>calling on the federal government to codify the rights of

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<v Speaker 1>transgender and non binary people under the law and ensure

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<v Speaker 1>their access to medical care, shelter, safety, and economic security.

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<v Speaker 1>The effort is again being led by those two and

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<v Speaker 1>they also introduced the trans Bill of Rights back in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three. We are laying out a comprehensive vision

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<v Speaker 1>to provide protections for transgender and non binary people, a

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<v Speaker 1>vision that ensures that every single person has a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to thrive. That was a Jayapal a press conference announcing

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<v Speaker 1>the bill's reintroduction. A vision that says, you are us,

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<v Speaker 1>you belong, and you are worthy the same rights as

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else. That'd be nice, right. This bill supports amending

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil Rights Act to ensure that trans people have

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<v Speaker 1>the same rights and protections as all other Americans. It

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<v Speaker 1>creates a level playing field where trans people no longer

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<v Speaker 1>have to fight tooth and nail to get the same

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<v Speaker 1>treatment as their cisgender friends. Great, that'd be nice, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Trans rights are human rights and they must be protected

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<v Speaker 1>every single day of every single year, and we stand

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<v Speaker 1>together in solidarity with the trans community and with others,

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<v Speaker 1>with those who fight for those rights. Yeah, too often

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<v Speaker 1>left behind by a system that refuses to recognize their humanity.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Marquis.

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<v Speaker 1>We are here today to ensure that every trans and

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<v Speaker 1>gender diverse person in America can live freely and safely

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<v Speaker 1>and authentically. That's what the Trans Bill of Rights is

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<v Speaker 1>all about. That'd be great, really great. Probably doesn't happen

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<v Speaker 1>until they have a majority, but you know what, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for bringing it back up. It also points out several

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<v Speaker 1>courts have correctly concluded that discrimination against transgender people because

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<v Speaker 1>of their sex and gender identity violates Title nine, and

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<v Speaker 1>despite these protections, trans people still face outsized discrimination in

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<v Speaker 1>every area of life.

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<v Speaker 3>That is true.

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<v Speaker 1>We are louder, we are stronger, and we are not

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<v Speaker 1>going anywhere. We are in this fight for the long term.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, well, we're here and we're not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like, not going to stop being trance to

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<v Speaker 1>make it more convenient for y'all. Sorry, it's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, nor should it. Yeah, so they brought it

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<v Speaker 1>back up. Good timing. Hopefully they wind up with a

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<v Speaker 1>majority soon and you know they can actually do something

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But still, I had to see it being

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<v Speaker 1>brought back, being talked about, and that's probably where it'll die,

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<v Speaker 1>but for now, because you know, the ones in charge.

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<v Speaker 3>Aside what gets rotted on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this has been an ongoing interesting story about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and his you know way overreach, which Republicans suddenly celebrate.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't used to. They used to, they used to

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<v Speaker 1>cry about government overreach and it was always the purview

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<v Speaker 1>of the Democrats. But you know, now it's I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>tough guidness or some shit anyway, in the consistent overreach

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<v Speaker 1>and obfuscation of what's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>His battle against symbols.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, his battle against symbols and diversity. Rainbow flags were

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<v Speaker 1>removed from the Stonewall National Monument and they, uh, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a defiant re raising ceremony and their right back.

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<v Speaker 2>Up right because why, how the fuck do you think

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<v Speaker 2>you can do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the monument is right across from the stone Wall

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<v Speaker 1>in right there at Christopher Street, right off of Sheridan Square,

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<v Speaker 1>and they tried to take the rainbow flags down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, just like he ordered the slavery monuments taken

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<v Speaker 2>down in Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're going back up too.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going back up because you can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sara here's hoping. Yeah, this is such bullshit and it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a diversion. O shit, it's nothing but hatred. It's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing but bullshit.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the priorities you have for America.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. We can't make the people go away, so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>make the things that mention the people go away. As

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<v Speaker 2>if that's the same thing. Yeah, fucking idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>They took it down. Activists and elected officials defied the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump administration and reinstalled the flag in front of a

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<v Speaker 1>massive crowd. The flag blew in the wind on a

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<v Speaker 1>sunny Friday afternoon in February thirteenth, as visitors roamed Christopher Park,

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<v Speaker 1>snapped pictures of the flagpole and paused to reflect on

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<v Speaker 1>what had been a whall wind week following the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>Administration's removal of the Pride flag on February ninth. The

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<v Speaker 1>calmer atmosphere was a far cry from the frenz you'd

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<v Speaker 1>seen the day before when activists hoisted the flag and

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<v Speaker 1>drew roaring cheers from the crowd. Do they not know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened there?

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<v Speaker 2>For real?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they not know? We know how to make a fuss.

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<v Speaker 2>And by make of fuss we mean cop cars on.

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<v Speaker 1>Fire, yeah exactly, and trash cans, shot glasses as weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>There were no bricks, people, but shotglasses as weapons yeah, bottles, cans, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>anything we can pick up and throw.

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<v Speaker 2>Ugh. The only bricks at Stonewall were the drag queens

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<v Speaker 2>whose makeups skills weren't up to enough.

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<v Speaker 3>O that was cold. Uh. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The Trump administration's Department of Interior criticized the reinstallation of

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<v Speaker 1>the flags, telling Gay City News it was a political stunt. No, bitches,

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<v Speaker 1>your shit is a political stunt, and of course, their

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<v Speaker 1>spokesperson did not immediately respond to a question about whether

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government would keep the flag in place. This

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<v Speaker 1>can be ongoing, you know, it's it's ridiculous. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a ridiculous fight that they are not ultimately gonna win. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Diversion exactly, And it's an obvious diversion.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But you are not gonna find with Christopher Park Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, we have things like Representative elin Omar saying things

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<v Speaker 2>like there used to be a time when when pedophiles

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<v Speaker 2>were put to death, and then Republicans countered that with

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<v Speaker 2>saying that she's talking about publicly executing the president. She

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<v Speaker 2>didn't name a name.

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<v Speaker 1>You did that, Yeah, you all just did that.

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<v Speaker 2>But sure, let's go after pride flags.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right.

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<v Speaker 1>You all just made that connection on your own.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh, uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>They tell on themselves. They're so consistent, just so stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>Pitch.

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<v Speaker 2>We can see you, We can see you.

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<v Speaker 1>A gay Democrat Clapbard, a GOP opponent, and a special

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<v Speaker 1>election a gay former New York City council member Eric Baucher.

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<v Speaker 1>Clawbard his Republican opponent in a recent special election for

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<v Speaker 1>New York State senator last week and already cast his

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<v Speaker 1>first vote with eighty eight percent of the counted. He

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<v Speaker 1>defeated Charlotte Friedman, receiving ninety one point eight percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the vote to her seven point five Damn yeah. Freedman's

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<v Speaker 1>campaign website advocates for fighting socialism, eradicating anti Semitism, and

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<v Speaker 1>ensuring illegal aliens.

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<v Speaker 3>Are removed promptly.

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight, the people of the forty seventh District made a

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<v Speaker 1>clear choice for progress, integrity, and leadership that shows up

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<v Speaker 1>I'm deeply grateful to every voter, volunteer, a neighbor who

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<v Speaker 1>believed that government should work harder for working families. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to get to work.

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<v Speaker 2>O RK and E RK.

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<v Speaker 1>What oh oh oh, both versions.

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<v Speaker 3>Of work got it.

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<v Speaker 1>He did represent Manhattan's third City Council District from twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two until now, and was term limited from running

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<v Speaker 1>again there. He represents a large career constituency in Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 1>the West Village, and Hell's Kitchen in Manhattan. Last week,

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<v Speaker 1>he celebrated casting his first vote as a state lawmaker

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<v Speaker 1>in favor of the Medical Aid and Dying Act.

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<v Speaker 3>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>We're seeing this more and more. Another New York Democrat,

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Powers, also dominated a special election for a seat

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<v Speaker 1>in the New York State Assembly, receiving eighty two point

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five percent of the vote compared to his Republican opponent,

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<v Speaker 1>who got sixteen point seventy three percent.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot less.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, yeah, I mean good, because right now, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what has to happen. We need to see majorities

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<v Speaker 1>because they've gone off the rails. You know, they are

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<v Speaker 1>so out of touch and dangerous and pushing this hateful,

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<v Speaker 1>hateful project twenty five agenda, and it has to be stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>If we're going to have a it's got to be stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>You.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here's another one that made me smile. A Republican

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<v Speaker 1>governor just vetoed a gop led anti trans bill and

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like the Republicans and her state legislature won't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to override her veto ha. Yeah, Kelly Aoit,

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<v Speaker 1>new Hampshire governor, she vetoed an anti transgender bathroom and

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<v Speaker 1>sports bill last Friday that Republicans in the state legislature

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<v Speaker 1>won't likely have enough votes to override.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. They sought to.

643
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<v Speaker 1>Carve out exceptions to the state's twenty eighteen anti discrimination laws,

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<v Speaker 1>which protect people from discrimination on the basis of gender identity,

645
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 1>and ban trans people from accessing any restrooms, locker rooms, prisons,

646
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:55.000
<v Speaker 1>detention centers, and non voluntary treatment centers that match their

647
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.440
<v Speaker 1>gender identity. Furthermore, the bill sought to ban trans women

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<v Speaker 1>from any athletic or sporting event or competitions in which

649
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:05.079
<v Speaker 1>biological males have physical advantages.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like they only know seven words.

651
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<v Speaker 1>It is, and they weaponize every one of.

652
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<v Speaker 2>Them, and they barely know those seven words.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she had already vetoed a nearly identical bill last year,

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<v Speaker 1>and she did it again. Good, good bam.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not saying she's not without her problems,

657
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:32.840
<v Speaker 1>because last year she did say. I believe they are

658
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<v Speaker 1>important and legitimate privacy and safety concerns raised by biological

659
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 1>males using places such as female locker rooms and being

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00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:43.480
<v Speaker 1>placed in female correctional facilities. At the same time, I

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00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:47.039
<v Speaker 1>see that this bill is overly broad and impractical to enforce,

662
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>potentially creating an exclusionary environment for some of our citizens. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So she's halfway there, you know what I mean. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>she's still but they have a point, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>too many Democrats are saying. Well, but there's maybe there's

666
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:05.320
<v Speaker 1>something too that. No, it's all based on this. We

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<v Speaker 1>are not your problem. We will never be a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>damn it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, anytime a Republican doesn't vote in lockstep and does

671
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:18.360
<v Speaker 1>something that resembles decency, I am more than willing to

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<v Speaker 1>point it out and celebrate them word so good job.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas Governor Laura Kelly vetoed an anti trans bathroom bounty bill.

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<v Speaker 1>But I believe that got overridden.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm guessing bounty didn't refer to toilet paper.

677
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it didn't. Yeah, I believe this kind of went

678
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:45.039
<v Speaker 1>through and it's going to wind up with the courts.

679
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.280
<v Speaker 1>But at any rate, Yeah, they want a bounty on

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00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:51.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, catching trans people.

681
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:52.639
<v Speaker 3>In the bathroom. What could go wrong?

682
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:59.159
<v Speaker 1>What could possibly go wrong by offering people money to

683
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:04.039
<v Speaker 1>go inspect Genitalia in a bathroom? What could possibly go

684
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:09.360
<v Speaker 1>wrong by offering them a cash prize for finding the trainees?

685
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Just because it was your little president's pastime on Epstein

686
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<v Speaker 2>Island to exchange money for the opportunity to look into

687
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the pants of young people doesn't mean that that's to

688
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:27.719
<v Speaker 2>be done or should be done, and by young people,

689
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:32.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean children. Because the president's a pedophile. Just thought

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<v Speaker 2>i'd take a minute to, you know, call the president

691
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<v Speaker 2>a pedophile, because it's true.

692
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:37.519
<v Speaker 3>It is true.

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<v Speaker 1>The new governor of Virginia has given voters a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to erase their state's anti marriage amendment. She signed legislation

695
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:52.440
<v Speaker 1>that sent several potential state constitutional amendments to voters this

696
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.960
<v Speaker 1>past Friday, including a measure that would remove the state's

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00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:59.559
<v Speaker 1>ban on same sex marriage from the state Constitution, which

698
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.840
<v Speaker 1>was a passed in two thousand and six. While the

699
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.119
<v Speaker 1>state's ban on marriage equality has not been enforced since

700
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:12.119
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen, overfeld YEP, advocates for its removal say that

701
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>it is discriminatory and could be enforced if Oberfeld is

702
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:20.719
<v Speaker 1>ever overturned. We want to make sure that Virginia families

703
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.800
<v Speaker 1>know that here in Virginia, it is not just a

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00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court decision that protects them, but it is also

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<v Speaker 1>our state constitution.

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<v Speaker 3>Yay. It'll be a big step.

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<v Speaker 1>For Virginia to ensure that every family knows that Virginia

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00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:41.559
<v Speaker 1>is a place that welcomes them, appreciate them, and sees

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<v Speaker 1>them for the wonderful family and Virginians that they are

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00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:53.199
<v Speaker 1>all right. Indeed, I love it. Yeah, so good stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see. Let's see what happens. Virginia has turned blue

712
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 1>all the way around, so let's see what happens with this.

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00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:04.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, in the same week that we saw NYU

714
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:11.039
<v Speaker 1>langone cowardicely cancel their program for trans use, a California

715
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:14.400
<v Speaker 1>state court on Wednesday ordered a San Diego children's hospital

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<v Speaker 1>to continue providing gender firming hormone therapy and puberty blockers

717
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 1>to trans youth for at least one more month, and

718
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.000
<v Speaker 1>it gives local families and patients time to find similar

719
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>care elsewhere. Rady Children's Hospital stopped providing such care on

720
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<v Speaker 1>February sixth, in response to this administration's threats to end

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00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:41.960
<v Speaker 1>federal funding to medical institutions that offer gender firming healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is why NYU langone lost their.

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<v Speaker 3>Moral compass, right.

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00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they did stop providing the care on February

725
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:55.800
<v Speaker 1>six but the State of California then sued the hospital,

726
00:47:56.119 --> 00:48:01.280
<v Speaker 1>saying it was contractually obligated to provide the care. I agree, yeah,

727
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 1>so we'll see what happens. It decided to end trans

728
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:12.239
<v Speaker 1>youth care under pressure from RUMP pledged to block research

729
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:16.119
<v Speaker 1>and educational grants, as well as Medicaid and Medicare reimbursement

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<v Speaker 1>to institutions that provide gender affirming care to minors.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>California Attorney General Rob Banta sued the hospital, saying it

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<v Speaker 1>violates illegally binding twenty twenty four contract it agreed to. Therefore, yeah,

734
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.239
<v Speaker 1>they were supposed to provide it through twenty thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>according to the contract. So I guess you know we're

736
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<v Speaker 1>going to keep watching it and see what happens. But

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00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:45.719
<v Speaker 1>at least the court stepped in on the right side

738
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:49.519
<v Speaker 1>of things. We're just going to keep watching this shit

739
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>play out. It's whack themm.

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00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:55.000
<v Speaker 2>So it feels like when it comes to children and

741
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, there's just two categories, the children he wants

742
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 2>to fuck and the children when he wants to kill.

743
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<v Speaker 3>Yep, thank you, there you go. That's pretty succinct.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, it doesn't seem to be anything in the middle.

745
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 1>There doesn't, does there. I thought you would enjoy this

746
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<v Speaker 1>next one with bisexuals leading the charge. The US LGBTQ

747
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<v Speaker 1>plus population has a doubled since twenty twelve, and we

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<v Speaker 1>know that that means that there are more people admitting

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<v Speaker 1>that they are bisexual. Right, roughly double the number of

750
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.199
<v Speaker 1>people who admitted it in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a new Gallop survey revealing over twice as

753
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:48.360
<v Speaker 1>many US adults identify within the alphabet coalition the Eliziahbethequa,

754
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<v Speaker 1>the Leisiabtequa compared to twenty twelve. The bit in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>Yes and bisexual people are of course leading the march

756
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<v Speaker 1>on word. They published a report concerning data from a

757
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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five phone interview survey, which was conducted with

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<v Speaker 1>over thirteen thousand adults. The latest data film that eighty

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<v Speaker 1>six percent said they were heterosexual, nine percent said they

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<v Speaker 1>identified as LEGIBITKUA, five percent did not respond. The vast

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<v Speaker 1>majority of legiabetequa respondents said they identified as bisexual at

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<v Speaker 1>fifty eight point six percent, followed by seventeen point four

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<v Speaker 1>percent self identifying as gay, sixteen percent as trans, and

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<v Speaker 1>five point eight percent as somewhere else within the umbrella

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<v Speaker 1>such as queer or pen sexual for example.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, the bee is not ce long.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, you know, even with all the rhetoric,

768
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<v Speaker 1>we're still.

769
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<v Speaker 3>Seeing these numbers grow.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a betther one right, it knows sets The overall

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00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:12.599
<v Speaker 1>increase is largely thanks to younger adults being more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to identify as such, and like I said, the stigma

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<v Speaker 1>is not the same, particularly among men. I mean, you know,

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00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:24.519
<v Speaker 1>other than the freaks out there who won't wash their ass, right,

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00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 1>but you know, twenty three percent of adults below the

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<v Speaker 1>age of thirty identify within the queer community, and ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent of adults between thirty and forty nine, with only

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<v Speaker 1>three percent or less of people fifty and older. You know,

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00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:43.039
<v Speaker 1>we're just seeing it be more accepted despite what you

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00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:46.920
<v Speaker 1>may read online or you know, if you only get

781
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>your news from Fox.

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00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I just started laughing because I was thinking about the

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00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:54.920
<v Speaker 2>ridiculousness of the quote unquote street men who think it's

784
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:56.800
<v Speaker 2>gay to wash your ass? And I'm like, do they

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<v Speaker 2>think that once they get back there, they're going to

786
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<v Speaker 2>like it?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>And then next thing, you know, their girlfriends would be like,

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00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.360
<v Speaker 2>how are we going through this mini bars of soap

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00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:06.840
<v Speaker 2>in a week?

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00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:07.199
<v Speaker 4>Right?

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00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Why are you walking so funny?

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00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:15.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>The same answer to the questions man.

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<v Speaker 1>The report concluded by stating that the percentage will continue

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<v Speaker 1>to grow as more of Gen Z continues to reach adulthood,

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<v Speaker 1>as nearly one in four Gen Z adults identifies as

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<v Speaker 1>something other than heterosexual. It also doesn't account for population

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<v Speaker 1>data when it comes to minors, and August twenty twenty

801
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<v Speaker 1>five survey from UCLA's Williams Institute found that trans use

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00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.800
<v Speaker 1>those between thirteen and seventeen make up nearly one quarter

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00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:59.039
<v Speaker 1>of the total trans population in the United States. Yeah,

804
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:06.079
<v Speaker 1>trans kids stone exist, and we're all delusional, right whatever, whatever,

805
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:07.159
<v Speaker 1>let's say.

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00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I like this one. Okay, European Parliament votes overwhelmingly

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00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:18.639
<v Speaker 2>for quote, the full recognition of trans women as women.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that when people say waters but right, exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>The resolutions of non binding is a significant shot at

810
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:33.679
<v Speaker 1>those who seek to erode trans writs on the continent. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I it was the European Parliament. They voted to

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00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:40.079
<v Speaker 1>adopt a resolution. Yeah, yeah, I love it.

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00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Period.

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00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 1>This is regarding the EU's priorities for negotiations at the

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<v Speaker 1>United Nations Commission on the Status of Women.

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00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:51.119
<v Speaker 3>Cool.

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00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Thanks, right, thanks, appreciate it.

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00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:57.000
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, you know, anyone willing.

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<v Speaker 2>To act like they have some goddamn sends.

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00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 3>Right, right.

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00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:07.519
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, it was an overwhelming majority who said duh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It wasn't even yay or nay or I or nay,

823
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<v Speaker 2>it was dug right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean in my world this is like, yeah, okay,

825
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:18.440
<v Speaker 1>water's wet. But you know, with everything happening in this

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<v Speaker 1>nation right now, I mean it's radical.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because when you have a whole party going

829
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:27.920
<v Speaker 2>water is not wet, that's not even water. It's a chicken.

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00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.119
<v Speaker 1>This was just one where it was a sweet story

831
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<v Speaker 1>released on Valentine's Day. The Outgate president and CEO of

832
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Interface Alliance was utterly blown away by protesters determination during

833
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the Minneapolis ICE protests. Paul brand Ice, Rausch and Bush

834
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:56.679
<v Speaker 1>flew in January to Minneapolis with a group of clergy

835
00:54:56.800 --> 00:55:00.880
<v Speaker 1>and a show of solidarity against ICE, and he had

836
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<v Speaker 1>one big takeaway, Ice will not win there work. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, he was utterly blown away by the determination

838
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:16.280
<v Speaker 1>of those protesting the Trump administration's brutal Operation Metro Surge,

839
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<v Speaker 1>which resulted in the deaths of Alex Pretty and Renee

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<v Speaker 1>Good and in the suffering of countless others. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>certain grit in the Twin Cities that is not going

842
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<v Speaker 1>to give in. They are organized, and they are committed,

843
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:34.559
<v Speaker 1>and there is so much love there. It's all rooted

844
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:39.519
<v Speaker 1>in love, you know. And after six weeks of brutalizing

845
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<v Speaker 1>the city that you know, they it was announced that

846
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<v Speaker 1>it was coming to an end. Most ICE agents I

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<v Speaker 1>believe are leaving have left.

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<v Speaker 2>I think now is a good time to point out

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<v Speaker 2>remember a few episodes ago when I talked about the

850
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<v Speaker 2>Kochi app, where you had a live map of ICE

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00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:05.119
<v Speaker 2>activity in your area. I have been putting the download

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<v Speaker 2>link to that app in the episode Notes of Good

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<v Speaker 2>every episode since. So I'm just mentioning it again just

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<v Speaker 2>for our listeners, just putting it out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, good stuff.

856
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:21.559
<v Speaker 1>From my observance of the folks on the ground there

857
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.840
<v Speaker 1>and the way that faith communities are talking about this

858
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.760
<v Speaker 1>all across the country is that for us to be effective,

859
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.159
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean we have to always lead. We can

860
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.719
<v Speaker 1>come up alongside of other groups and say how can

861
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:36.920
<v Speaker 1>we support what you are doing and be good partners

862
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to you without having to take the limelight or even

863
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.199
<v Speaker 1>make the strategy. What FACE groups can do is help

864
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:47.800
<v Speaker 1>with the message and take away the power of religion

865
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:51.639
<v Speaker 1>from the administration to legitimize this in the name of religion,

866
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:56.239
<v Speaker 1>they're putting Bible verses on dhs ads, Bible verses on

867
00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:02.000
<v Speaker 1>ice stuff. It's lies, lies, lies, it's you know, perfume

868
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.760
<v Speaker 1>on the stench of an oppressive policy, and they're trying

869
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:08.639
<v Speaker 1>to pretend like it doesn't still stink.

870
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:13.360
<v Speaker 3>And everybody knows it does. Damn. Yeah.

871
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:18.320
<v Speaker 1>So I mean it was you know, the summary of

872
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:23.639
<v Speaker 1>this article, it's the response. It's always always look at

873
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:26.079
<v Speaker 1>the response, right, you know, that's where you're going to

874
00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:28.239
<v Speaker 1>see love. That's where you're going to see resilience and

875
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:33.000
<v Speaker 1>creativity and artistry and humanity at its best is in

876
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the response to bullshit yep. Because all you're going to

877
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:39.960
<v Speaker 1>see from this administration is lies and bullshit. But if

878
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.440
<v Speaker 1>you look around at your neighbors, you're going to see

879
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:48.519
<v Speaker 1>beauty and love yep. And that's pretty awesome. So it's

880
00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:54.760
<v Speaker 1>time for our favorite segment that we like to call sad.

881
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:58.840
<v Speaker 5>Employer, people taking pleasure.

882
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.280
<v Speaker 3>Yay.

883
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:11.199
<v Speaker 2>So, So, a pastor who was linked to Erica Kirk

884
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:21.599
<v Speaker 2>is facing child trafficking charges as online speculation spreads. A

885
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:26.159
<v Speaker 2>pastor affiliated with Erica Kirk's recent public appearances has been

886
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:30.079
<v Speaker 2>charged with multiple counts of child trafficking, prompting online speculation

887
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:36.280
<v Speaker 2>about Kirk's past associations. Authorities have not filed any charges

888
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:39.320
<v Speaker 2>against Kirk, and there is no indication she's under investigation,

889
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:43.679
<v Speaker 2>but multiple online sources suggest that Kirk was previously involved

890
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:47.239
<v Speaker 2>with influential figures who are now under investigation for alleged

891
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:53.360
<v Speaker 2>trafficking activities. Some commentators claim she has cultivated connections with

892
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:57.079
<v Speaker 2>a range of prominent people, including athletes and political figures,

893
00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 2>which may have enabled her alleged involvement. One post suggested

894
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:06.039
<v Speaker 2>that Kirk was present in a CIA related video in

895
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen, adding to speculation that she has had unusual

896
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:14.039
<v Speaker 2>access to elite networks for years. You are the company

897
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:14.360
<v Speaker 2>that you.

898
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Keep, Oh my god, and this is what they have

899
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:18.280
<v Speaker 1>been accusing us of.

900
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:19.760
<v Speaker 5>Uh huh uh huh.

901
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:24.519
<v Speaker 1>Reports also indicate that Kirk's parents had occupations that placed

902
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:28.360
<v Speaker 1>her in environments tied to data collection and surveillance, which

903
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:33.119
<v Speaker 1>some whistleblowers argue could have been leveraged to facilitate recruitment

904
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:38.400
<v Speaker 1>or manipulation of victims. While Kirk has denied several of

905
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:43.480
<v Speaker 1>these claims, inconsistencies in her past interviews have led to

906
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:47.960
<v Speaker 1>increased scrutiny over her activities.

907
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Never trust a white woman with eyes that big.

908
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:55.639
<v Speaker 1>She has, of course, denied any wrongdoing. There's currently no

909
00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:59.519
<v Speaker 1>evidence linking her to criminal activity, and she's yet to

910
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:03.559
<v Speaker 1>be charged merged with an offense Because money online speculation

911
01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:09.000
<v Speaker 1>has circulated regarding her past association's educational background and charitable connections,

912
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:18.440
<v Speaker 1>these claims remain unverified and should not be treated as evidence. Well, yeah,

913
01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:24.000
<v Speaker 1>but the company she keeps keeps being shown for what

914
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:28.320
<v Speaker 1>they are from one. A former pastor linked to Harvest

915
01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Christian Fellowship is facing serious civil allegations in the US,

916
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:40.360
<v Speaker 1>according to multiple reports, and that religious organization is connected to.

917
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Kirk m h.

918
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:48.679
<v Speaker 2>The fact that she has three k's in her name

919
01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:49.199
<v Speaker 2>is taling.

920
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:55.119
<v Speaker 1>I know, right, It's almost like that's by design, right.

921
01:00:55.800 --> 01:01:00.840
<v Speaker 1>The former missionary pastor Paul Hasgard is accused of sexually

922
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:04.840
<v Speaker 1>abusing and trafficking miners at church run homes in Romania.

923
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

924
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:11.800
<v Speaker 1>The complaints were brought forward by Marian Barboo thirty three,

925
01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:16.039
<v Speaker 1>who allege they were abused as children while living in

926
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:24.400
<v Speaker 1>these shelters. They claim Housecarred targeted vulnerable street children, allegedly

927
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:27.639
<v Speaker 1>luring them with promises of food, shelter, and education.

928
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.519
<v Speaker 3>I have no doubt. Yeah.

929
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:34.239
<v Speaker 1>The filings for further alleged that the abuse occurred over

930
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:40.000
<v Speaker 1>several years, and other leaders within the church are also named.

931
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:41.639
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm.

932
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:51.679
<v Speaker 1>Of course they strongly deny any wrongdoing mm hmm. Because

933
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:53.159
<v Speaker 1>his financial extortion.

934
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.599
<v Speaker 2>She denies her husband was racist.

935
01:01:55.679 --> 01:02:03.599
<v Speaker 3>So you know, yeah, I know, I know. Chickens roosting.

936
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. All I can say is good. I hope

937
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:13.880
<v Speaker 2>all your ill gotten gains tumble away from your fingertips.

938
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's not the only one

939
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:22.199
<v Speaker 1>she's close to. Yeah, because this is this is where

940
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you find the pedophiles. Well, on Masson and clusters. It's easy.

941
01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:31.400
<v Speaker 2>If you hang around with nothing but evil people, chances

942
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:34.000
<v Speaker 2>are going to uncover some evil.

943
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:35.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

944
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:37.800
<v Speaker 1>If you follow around Erica Kirk, you're probably much more

945
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:39.840
<v Speaker 1>likely to find a bunch of pedophiles than you are

946
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:40.639
<v Speaker 1>if you follow me.

947
01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Right, thank you, right, thank you, But.

948
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:52.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, keep keep doing you. I guess this was

949
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:53.360
<v Speaker 3>in the New York.

950
01:02:53.119 --> 01:03:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Times demanding support for Trump. The Justice Department struggles to

951
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:09.639
<v Speaker 1>recruit prosecutors. Huh, imagine right, Some offices are so decimated

952
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that the Justice Department has sent in military lawyers.

953
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:16.320
<v Speaker 3>This is what it was like in his first term.

954
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Like it got to a place where, like we had

955
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:22.320
<v Speaker 1>no State Department because nobody wanted to be anywhere near it,

956
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:25.000
<v Speaker 1>so we just didn't you know, like like that, right,

957
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Well it's happening. And I said this, I said, you

958
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:32.599
<v Speaker 1>know it's gonna happen because anyone who wants a career

959
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:33.199
<v Speaker 1>after this.

960
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Travesty doesn't want any of this on them.

961
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Right, any decent human does not want to be a

962
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:44.679
<v Speaker 1>part of this, you know, the sycophants and and and.

963
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Those with no morals.

964
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:53.480
<v Speaker 2>To speak of where the Department of Nope exactly.

965
01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:58.639
<v Speaker 1>More recently, officials asked for volunteers from other offices who

966
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:05.679
<v Speaker 1>can quickly deploy to places in desperate need. Chad Mazel,

967
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:10.320
<v Speaker 1>a former chief of staff to pambornd Hung an online

968
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:14.519
<v Speaker 1>help wanted signed for federal prosecutors last weekend that perhaps

969
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:17.960
<v Speaker 1>explained why so many valuable Justice Department staff members have

970
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:23.360
<v Speaker 1>left and why so few candidates want in. Assistant US

971
01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:27.719
<v Speaker 1>attorneys are not typically recruited, as mister Mizelle sought to do,

972
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:33.079
<v Speaker 1>but a former federal employee who asked and shook candidates

973
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.119
<v Speaker 1>to send a private message to his Twitter account, nor

974
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:39.519
<v Speaker 1>have they been asked in the past to prove political

975
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:44.760
<v Speaker 1>or ideological feality. If you are a lawyer, are interested

976
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:49.199
<v Speaker 1>in being an AUSA and support President Trump and anti

977
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:54.320
<v Speaker 1>crime agen dm me, he wrote, He's a Fearstrump supporter

978
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:57.599
<v Speaker 1>who remains close with leaders and senior officials in the

979
01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:00.280
<v Speaker 1>this way, he was acting as a private citizen in

980
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:05.800
<v Speaker 1>expressing his own views, but the post reflected the prevailing

981
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:10.119
<v Speaker 1>sentiment inside the Department that Trump has the right to

982
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:15.400
<v Speaker 1>hire only those willing to execute his agenda. It also

983
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.639
<v Speaker 1>highlighted the dynamic that appears to be contributing to the

984
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:24.079
<v Speaker 1>very staffing shortages he tried to address. The intermingling of

985
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:28.840
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement and political goals has made the department, along

986
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:33.760
<v Speaker 1>a magnet for platinum legal talent, an unappealing landing spot.

987
01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:37.440
<v Speaker 1>According to current and former officials who spoke on the

988
01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:41.320
<v Speaker 1>condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters, the number of

989
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:46.840
<v Speaker 1>applications is down significantly from previous years, even as Trump

990
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:53.760
<v Speaker 1>loyalists have publicized vacancies through officials and unconventional channels. Some

991
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:56.880
<v Speaker 1>of those applying are generally not as qualified. Well, no

992
01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:00.000
<v Speaker 1>one is qualified in this administration, so the shouldn't surprise

993
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.039
<v Speaker 1>as those who sought the position in the recent past.

994
01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:06.039
<v Speaker 3>A Justice Department.

995
01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Spokesman did not respond to specific questions, but said all

996
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:15.320
<v Speaker 1>of the actions reflected Miss Bondi's memo requiring all employees

997
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:22.159
<v Speaker 1>to zealously advance, protect, and defend the interests of mister

998
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Trump in his role as the nation's chief executive. Nothing

999
01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:29.679
<v Speaker 1>about our constitution.

1000
01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Huh was that again?

1001
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:33.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1002
01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:36.960
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, it's a job nobody wants, and I think

1003
01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:43.639
<v Speaker 1>that is richly, richly deserved. Yep, yeah, it was only

1004
01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:47.880
<v Speaker 1>a matter of time. Several federal prosecutors' offices around the

1005
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:53.079
<v Speaker 1>country have suffered debilitating losses from firings and resignations, many

1006
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:57.280
<v Speaker 1>stemming from efforts by senior department leaders to push career

1007
01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:03.280
<v Speaker 1>prosecutors into doing mister Trump's bidding. The department's workforce declined

1008
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:07.440
<v Speaker 1>by eight percent between November twenty four and November twenty five,

1009
01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:11.079
<v Speaker 1>according to data from the Office of Personnel Management. US

1010
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Attorney's offices, the front lines responsible for executing his campaign

1011
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:20.280
<v Speaker 1>pledge to crush crime lost fourteen percent of their head count,

1012
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:24.480
<v Speaker 1>dropping from eleven thousand, eight sixty three to ten thousand,

1013
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:29.679
<v Speaker 1>one fifty four, a staggering one year reduction unlike anything

1014
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the department has seen in recent memory. Worse still, the

1015
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:39.000
<v Speaker 1>departures have hit the upper tier of prosecutors in premier

1016
01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:44.480
<v Speaker 1>offices the hardest, simply because those with the most experienced

1017
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:48.280
<v Speaker 1>were the most likely to have lucrative job prospects on

1018
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:53.000
<v Speaker 1>the outside. The crisis has been most acute in offices

1019
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:57.840
<v Speaker 1>targeted by the tournatic disruption of White House directives that

1020
01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:02.119
<v Speaker 1>run counter to the prosecutor ethics and training.

1021
01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, thank you.

1022
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:06.639
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

1023
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Mister Trump's desire for revenge has caused particular destruction in

1024
01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:13.800
<v Speaker 1>the U. S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Virginia,

1025
01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:18.079
<v Speaker 1>where he installed Lindsay Halligan, one of his own former

1026
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:21.920
<v Speaker 1>defense lawyers, to prosecute two of his most prominent adversaries,

1027
01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Letitia James, the New York Attorney General and James Comey, the.

1028
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:27.880
<v Speaker 3>Former BI director.

1029
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:31.640
<v Speaker 1>The cases led to the firing, a resignation of Miss

1030
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:37.319
<v Speaker 1>Halligan's predecessor, Eric S. Siebert, several members of mister Sebert's staff,

1031
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:41.479
<v Speaker 1>and even Robert McBride, the veteran prosecutor hired to serve

1032
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:46.159
<v Speaker 1>as Miss Halligan's chief deputy. Few offices have been hit

1033
01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:50.000
<v Speaker 1>quite as hard as the one in Minneapolis, where career

1034
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:54.720
<v Speaker 1>prosecutors are bawling out rather than execute the White House's

1035
01:08:55.479 --> 01:09:02.800
<v Speaker 1>maximalist demands to prosecute protestersocrats. Perhaps the most profound damage

1036
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:06.239
<v Speaker 1>came from the department's decision not to investigate the fatal

1037
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:12.640
<v Speaker 1>shootings last month of Renee Good and Alex Pretty. Yeah,

1038
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:18.840
<v Speaker 1>nobody wants to work, Nope, and that should not come

1039
01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:20.119
<v Speaker 1>as a surprise.

1040
01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:26.000
<v Speaker 4>But it is a perfect example of sad employer people

1041
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:32.720
<v Speaker 4>taking pleasure ring the main Indeed, So do you have

1042
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:34.520
<v Speaker 4>a fifteen minute pave this week?

1043
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:39.039
<v Speaker 3>I do? Okay hit me? Don't you dare?

1044
01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:44.279
<v Speaker 2>So this song has just been stuck in my head

1045
01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:50.479
<v Speaker 2>for the past couple months. Actually it is it actually

1046
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:55.560
<v Speaker 2>is from twenty twenty. It's by Jesse, who is a

1047
01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:01.479
<v Speaker 2>Korean American rapper in k pop Diva, and the song

1048
01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:07.000
<v Speaker 2>is called No Nana Okay Yes, and particularly the the

1049
01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:12.279
<v Speaker 2>I just keep singing like the first line of the

1050
01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:16.640
<v Speaker 2>of the chorus where she goes no, no, no, which

1051
01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:19.479
<v Speaker 2>basically means I'm a bad bitch okay.

1052
01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

1053
01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:25.640
<v Speaker 2>So we're going to uh it's a bop. We're going

1054
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:29.680
<v Speaker 2>to go out to the break with No Nana by

1055
01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Jesse and we'll be right back.

1056
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:48.079
<v Speaker 3>So come with me and no no no, no, no.

1057
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:58.920
<v Speaker 2>No no.

1058
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:05.279
<v Speaker 4>Upon give me more, give me month, give me more,

1059
01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:06.520
<v Speaker 4>give me moth baby.

1060
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.119
<v Speaker 5>Baby up on.

1061
01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Di did did.

1062
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:14.560
<v Speaker 5>One of the message about two months.

1063
01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:17.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh baby, it was a crash, a bad I could

1064
01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:19.800
<v Speaker 1>give you everything anything, maybe gave you on the l

1065
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:21.680
<v Speaker 1>board that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't Papa by Bounded. She started nothing talk from boumbie

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<v Speaker 2>board and on board.

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<v Speaker 5>Crass no no no, no, no, no no, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back, catchy. Not a lot of lyrics, but I

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01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:15.119
<v Speaker 1>found myself moving to it so that it's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's about quality over quantity.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well that was a lot of fun and you know, uplifting,

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01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:29.680
<v Speaker 1>which is good because it is time for the cavalcade

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01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:34.680
<v Speaker 1>of nonsense and we have a lot of it, so

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01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:38.279
<v Speaker 1>we have to Yeah. Well, I mean, we don't have

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01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:42.079
<v Speaker 1>to do anything, right, we ain't gotta do shit.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, let's let's wait, shall we. Fine?

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<v Speaker 1>So, unsurprisingly, the UK government covered up a dramatic spike

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01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:57.840
<v Speaker 1>in trans youth suicides, according to a new report how about.

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01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:59.840
<v Speaker 2>That I Am shocked and surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>The good Law Project claims that the UK Health Secretary

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01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Wes Streetling's department fought to block freedom of information requests

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01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:15.439
<v Speaker 1>for data on trans youth suicides. They appeared to have

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01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:20.199
<v Speaker 1>covered up a dramatic rise in transgender use suicides, according

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01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:25.199
<v Speaker 1>to data obtained by a UK based government accountability nonprofit,

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01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:28.119
<v Speaker 1>the Good Law Project. As Erin in the Morning reported

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01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:34.119
<v Speaker 1>data the nonprofit obtained from the NHS funded National Child

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01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:40.199
<v Speaker 1>mortality database via a Freedom of information request. Sharply contrasts

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01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:43.720
<v Speaker 1>with the government's official report on trans youth suicides in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of the twenty twenty bell Vy Tavistock ruling.

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<v Speaker 1>As they note, following the UK High Court of Justice's

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01:13:52.479 --> 01:13:56.279
<v Speaker 1>initial ruling in Tavistock, which found that miners under sixteen

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01:13:56.319 --> 01:14:00.199
<v Speaker 1>could not legally consent to receive puberty blockers or the

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01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:05.119
<v Speaker 1>treatment of gender dysphoria, the NHS substantially limited access to

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01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:10.000
<v Speaker 1>gender affirming care for minors. Those limits reportedly remained in

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01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:14.279
<v Speaker 1>place even after the Tavistock ruling was overturned in twenty

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01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:14.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we know this.

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<v Speaker 1>The UK government commissioned it's twenty twenty four Applebe Report

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01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:26.600
<v Speaker 1>after the Good Law Project reported that two whistleblowers with

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01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:31.079
<v Speaker 1>the Tavistock Gender Clinic alerted the organization to a significant

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01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:35.000
<v Speaker 1>rise in suicides among young people on the NHS wait

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01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:38.439
<v Speaker 1>list for appointments to begin gender affirming care in the

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01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:39.880
<v Speaker 1>wake of the Tavistock case.

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<v Speaker 3>It used to be much easier for kids. You know.

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01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:44.720
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't great, but it was a hell of a

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01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:49.800
<v Speaker 1>lot better than it's been. Right. The Applebe report identified

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01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:54.640
<v Speaker 1>only twelve suicide deaths among current or former Gender Identity

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01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Development Services patients at that clinic between twenty eighteen and

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01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:03.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. Or, However, as Aaron in The Morning notes,

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01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:07.319
<v Speaker 1>the report disregarded young people who were unable to access

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01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:12.479
<v Speaker 1>that care due to long wait times, which now lasts

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01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:15.840
<v Speaker 1>an average of twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 3>What Yeah, you heard me.

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01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:21.279
<v Speaker 1>At the same time, good Law Projects submitted a freedom

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01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:25.239
<v Speaker 1>of information request and has only just published the data

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01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:30.000
<v Speaker 1>it received. They can confirm that in twenty twenty one

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01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:34.039
<v Speaker 1>through twenty two, suicides of trans children in England surged

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01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:38.720
<v Speaker 1>to twenty two, a marked increase from five and four

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01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:44.079
<v Speaker 1>the previous two years. Yeah, the organization wrote in a

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01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:49.239
<v Speaker 1>February seven release. This spike follows the decision by NHS

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01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:53.239
<v Speaker 1>England to pull down the shutters on gender affirming healthcare

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<v Speaker 1>for young trans people following the Tavistock case. In total,

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01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:03.359
<v Speaker 1>the data shows forty six transgender children in the UK

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<v Speaker 1>died by suicide between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to the nine accounted four between twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty one, and the alarming spike to twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>between twenty one and twenty two. The data also show

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01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:24.159
<v Speaker 1>ten suicide deaths between twenty two and twenty three and

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01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:28.640
<v Speaker 1>according to good Law Project They added that the numbers

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01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:32.600
<v Speaker 1>reported in most recent years will likely be underestimated due

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01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:35.800
<v Speaker 1>to a higher proportion of child death reviews that have

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01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:41.000
<v Speaker 1>not yet been completed. The good Law Projects said it

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01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:46.119
<v Speaker 1>was appalled that the UK Held Secretary commissioned and published

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01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:49.279
<v Speaker 1>a report to reassure the public that there was no

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01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:53.880
<v Speaker 1>significant rise in suicide rates when twenty two children took

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01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:57.880
<v Speaker 1>their own lives in a single year. The Applebee report,

1138
01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:03.520
<v Speaker 1>they said, deny the reality of trans deaths, as Streating's

1139
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:09.279
<v Speaker 1>ban on puberty blockers denied the reality of trans lives.

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01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:13.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean soccer. Yeah.

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01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:15.720
<v Speaker 1>They fought tooth and now to block the freedom of

1142
01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:19.159
<v Speaker 1>information requests at any rate to silence those raising the

1143
01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:23.000
<v Speaker 1>alarm on rising trans citicide as dangerous, while ramping up

1144
01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:26.439
<v Speaker 1>the policies correlating with the rise in the act of

1145
01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:30.239
<v Speaker 1>grave moral wickedness. The group said, So, I have a.

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01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Question going back to when you were talking about the

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01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:38.760
<v Speaker 2>weight time and you said twenty five that so they

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01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:41.279
<v Speaker 2>have to wait twenty five years, that they have to

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01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:42.640
<v Speaker 2>wait until they are twenty five.

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01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:43.439
<v Speaker 3>No, they have to wait.

1151
01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:48.000
<v Speaker 1>The weight would take twenty five years if you signed

1152
01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:48.760
<v Speaker 1>up and waited.

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01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:52.479
<v Speaker 3>Fuck. Well, yeah, I mean, and that's my design.

1154
01:17:52.520 --> 01:17:55.439
<v Speaker 1>They closed the gender clinics that they had. This was

1155
01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:57.920
<v Speaker 1>this happened a while back. I mean when we talked

1156
01:17:57.920 --> 01:17:59.880
<v Speaker 1>about it, when it was happening, and they said, no,

1157
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:02.119
<v Speaker 1>oh no, we're gonna We're just gonna come up with

1158
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:05.159
<v Speaker 1>a better plan. Well apparently we never did. The plan

1159
01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:08.960
<v Speaker 1>is to lie about it. That's the plan, Aaron Reid said.

1160
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.000
<v Speaker 1>More alarming is what appears to be an explicit attempt

1161
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:15.079
<v Speaker 1>to cover up transith suicide deaths. Those who seek to

1162
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:19.560
<v Speaker 1>restrict gender affirming care also seek to restrict any information

1163
01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:24.920
<v Speaker 1>showing those restrictions may lead to harm. Among the far right,

1164
01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:28.439
<v Speaker 1>claims have emerged that transgender youth are in no danger

1165
01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:31.279
<v Speaker 1>of suicide from the withdrawal of gender affirming care. But

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01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:34.079
<v Speaker 1>this could not be further from the truth.

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01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Right how many?

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01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:43.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Yeah, I'm just and this is what they do.

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01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:47.439
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. When you can't provide evidence to actually support

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01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:51.520
<v Speaker 2>your alleged argument, you just fudge the facts that are

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01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:52.239
<v Speaker 2>actually there.

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01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:53.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't tell me.

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01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:57.760
<v Speaker 1>The left and right are the same, right, correct, don't

1174
01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:00.960
<v Speaker 1>don't tell me they're the same. The right is now

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01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:06.159
<v Speaker 1>the one restricting our rights, restricting human decency, restricting medically

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01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:13.319
<v Speaker 1>necessary care, and then lying about the results as we

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01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:16.159
<v Speaker 1>tell them. This is why they sneak shit through in

1178
01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.720
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night whenever they can, like, because

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01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:21.119
<v Speaker 1>they know they have to because right, exactly so they

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01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:23.079
<v Speaker 1>don't have to listen to us time and time and

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01:19:23.159 --> 01:19:23.640
<v Speaker 1>time again.

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01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:24.199
<v Speaker 3>Tell them the.

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01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Truth, right, because ideology has blinded in the States, an

1184
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:33.640
<v Speaker 1>entire political party. But obviously in the UK we've got

1185
01:19:33.960 --> 01:19:35.159
<v Speaker 1>very similar problems.

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01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's almost like bigots or bigots, no matter

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01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:39.680
<v Speaker 2>what the accent.

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01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.840
<v Speaker 3>How about it truth? Yeah, So.

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01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Lying shocks I know, it's shocking, right because they don't

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01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:52.840
<v Speaker 1>want to take and this is just it. If this

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01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:56.000
<v Speaker 1>was only about science and common sense, like they keep

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01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:58.239
<v Speaker 1>trying to say, then the numbers wouldn't.

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01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:00.600
<v Speaker 3>There would be no uptech would right.

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01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.399
<v Speaker 1>See, we just let the children be free, and they

1195
01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:08.680
<v Speaker 1>got they got over it. This doesn't go away, people, right,

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01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:11.760
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't go away. Trans people are trans people. They

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01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:17.520
<v Speaker 1>know they're trans people. Trans children exist. I was one

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01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I knew, right, and so did everyone around me, regardless

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01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.399
<v Speaker 1>of your feelings, regardless of your beliefs. Yeah, and I

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01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:30.239
<v Speaker 1>would have done anything to get puberty blockers anything I know. Yeah,

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01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:35.640
<v Speaker 1>so at least own the results because you want us dead.

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01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:40.000
<v Speaker 1>So why aren't you celebrating the numbers. Yeah, we're killing

1203
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:42.239
<v Speaker 1>more children, more trans kids. We don't want them to

1204
01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:45.479
<v Speaker 1>exist anyway. Just be honest about your bullshit.

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01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Let's move on.

1206
01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Us.

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01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Gay bars are closing their doors at a heartbreaking pace.

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01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:54.920
<v Speaker 3>This has been going on.

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01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:58.079
<v Speaker 2>I say this almost isn't news, but.

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01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:02.680
<v Speaker 1>It is apparently. Let's say, in the last few years,

1211
01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:06.560
<v Speaker 1>it's only gotten worse. Higher upfront costs combined with lower

1212
01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:10.479
<v Speaker 1>foot traffic have cast a nationwide problem for all of

1213
01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the service and food industries.

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01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:14.479
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say this sounds like a not just

1215
01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:18.399
<v Speaker 2>a gay bar, but it is exacerbated in queer spaces,

1216
01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:22.199
<v Speaker 2>which deal with smaller demographics than the average bar or restaurant.

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01:21:22.720 --> 01:21:26.880
<v Speaker 1>There's a demographic change. Younger people don't go out or

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01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:32.239
<v Speaker 1>have a third space anymore. Right, It's hard to say

1219
01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:36.600
<v Speaker 1>whether anything can economy prove the gay bar. In the

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01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:39.159
<v Speaker 1>past year alone, the US has seen closures of long

1221
01:21:39.319 --> 01:21:43.479
<v Speaker 1>running queer spaces, such as the Bay Area's Gingers, which

1222
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:47.479
<v Speaker 1>was open for forty seven years, or Rochester, New York's

1223
01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:52.479
<v Speaker 1>Avenue Pub, which just inched past five decades of serving

1224
01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:57.600
<v Speaker 1>queer people. New businesses aren't exactly faring better, with bars

1225
01:21:57.640 --> 01:22:01.600
<v Speaker 1>such as Michigan's General Wood Shop and Brooklyn's Club Lambda

1226
01:22:02.039 --> 01:22:05.359
<v Speaker 1>having opened and closed within the span of just a

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01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:10.319
<v Speaker 1>couple of years. In some cases, a bar's public frankness

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01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:14.159
<v Speaker 1>about its financial difficulties can prompt a community response that

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01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:17.199
<v Speaker 1>allows it to stay open. In the last few years,

1230
01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:20.479
<v Speaker 1>many struggling spaces have turned to sites such as GoFundMe

1231
01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:24.039
<v Speaker 1>to make ends meet, keep creditors at bay, and continue

1232
01:22:24.119 --> 01:22:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to sling food, drink, and community to its underserved patrons.

1233
01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:34.439
<v Speaker 1>Efforts like this saved East Nashville's Lipstick Lounge, DC's As

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01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:39.600
<v Speaker 1>You Are, and there are organizations such as the Lesbian

1235
01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Bar Project looking to not only document career history but

1236
01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:45.279
<v Speaker 1>keep these spaces viprint.

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01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:50.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean we've said how many times how the apps

1238
01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:53.159
<v Speaker 2>have almost made gay bars obsolete.

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01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:58.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean the apps I think were the first

1240
01:22:58.880 --> 01:22:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and biggest blow.

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01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Meaning, you know, when I was a youngster, men who

1242
01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:07.680
<v Speaker 3>had sex with men.

1243
01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Regardless of marital status or whether how they presented pretty

1244
01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:16.399
<v Speaker 1>much had to go to bars. They had to go

1245
01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:18.760
<v Speaker 1>to gay bars to meet other men.

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01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:19.319
<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Other than that, there was like the personal ads, which

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01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:23.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think was really a thing, you know what

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01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:25.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, not much and talk.

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01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:30.520
<v Speaker 2>About slow, right, but that was snail mail, right, But.

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01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:33.239
<v Speaker 1>You know they would go to the bars and the

1252
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:42.079
<v Speaker 1>bars were packed, right anymore, you know, I encountered. But yeah,

1253
01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:45.119
<v Speaker 1>once we had things like and I guess it started

1254
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:48.439
<v Speaker 1>with what craigslist, you know, once you had the Internet

1255
01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:50.560
<v Speaker 1>and people had figured out how to hook up on

1256
01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:54.079
<v Speaker 1>the Internet and not need to go to those spaces

1257
01:23:54.279 --> 01:24:00.520
<v Speaker 1>where they didn't really belong, right, I mean right, they

1258
01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:02.960
<v Speaker 1>were just there to you know, get their freak on.

1259
01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:06.960
<v Speaker 1>But that hurt business a lot, you know, and times

1260
01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:11.119
<v Speaker 1>are changing and you know we've drunk driving and all

1261
01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:14.640
<v Speaker 1>of those things as well, but that was a big one, right.

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01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because gay bars historically have been a place

1263
01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:22.119
<v Speaker 2>for gay people queer people to meet up with other

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01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:27.800
<v Speaker 2>queer people for the two prong of finding sexual partners

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01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:34.560
<v Speaker 2>and community. And you have the apps and then you know,

1266
01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:37.600
<v Speaker 2>we're a lot more mainstream, so there's plenty of other

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01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:43.039
<v Speaker 2>places to meet other queer people. Sober spaces even that

1268
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:46.760
<v Speaker 2>don't involve drinking and going to a bar, like there's

1269
01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:48.159
<v Speaker 2>softball leagues and shit.

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01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:53.840
<v Speaker 1>So right, Yeah, there are so many bars listed in

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01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:58.319
<v Speaker 1>this article. I'm reading from them about all the bars

1272
01:24:58.359 --> 01:25:00.520
<v Speaker 1>that have closed across the United States, and there's.

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01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:01.279
<v Speaker 3>A lot of them.

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01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:05.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of them. This is a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>comprehensive article. I think we should link to it just

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01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:10.560
<v Speaker 1>to you know, not belabor it here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well also to give people, you know, a place to

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01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:18.520
<v Speaker 2>look and go, oh, I need to support this place. Yeah, yeah,

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01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:23.840
<v Speaker 2>because you know, gay bars are not just that too prong.

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01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:27.720
<v Speaker 2>The fact that it's a bar gives it a certain

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01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:35.640
<v Speaker 2>edge that lends itself to activism and creativity and and

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01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:40.399
<v Speaker 2>like take for instance, the venture in Like that was

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01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:44.520
<v Speaker 2>for me, and I've said this many times, that was

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01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:48.359
<v Speaker 2>my place to experience both queer history and up to

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01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:51.840
<v Speaker 2>the moment, queer pop culture at the same time. In

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01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>the same place, you're seeing these like edgy performers as

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01:25:57.039 --> 01:26:00.399
<v Speaker 2>well as as more like old school classic performers.

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01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Well in generations of gay bar employees.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And that's what I'm saying, right, And that's something

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01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:12.960
<v Speaker 2>that is unique I think to the setting of a

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01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:17.600
<v Speaker 2>gay bar. Sure like, you can get components of that

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01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:20.079
<v Speaker 2>in other places, but you're not going to get all

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01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:21.840
<v Speaker 2>of that in the same place the way you will

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01:26:21.880 --> 01:26:24.039
<v Speaker 2>at a gay bar, especially when it's been around for

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01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:24.880
<v Speaker 2>any length of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we.

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01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:35.479
<v Speaker 2>The phrase now is we're losing the recipe, you know,

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01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:38.560
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's going on in the queer community. We're

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01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:43.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of losing the recipe of like the fundamental thing

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01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:48.840
<v Speaker 2>that makes us us, you know, that whole the edginess,

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01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:53.199
<v Speaker 2>the community, the raw rottiness, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know, that's why some of us are

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01:26:55.520 --> 01:26:59.039
<v Speaker 1>trying to create different third spaces and different kinds of

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01:26:59.239 --> 01:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean, the dinner that we host monthly

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01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:05.159
<v Speaker 1>is a sober space because there aren't enough.

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01:27:05.079 --> 01:27:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Of them, right, And they're also necessary and vital and wonderful.

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01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:12.119
<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying, you know, it used to be that

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01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:16.079
<v Speaker 1>all we had were the bars, right and you know,

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01:27:17.079 --> 01:27:19.319
<v Speaker 1>somewhere better than others that, you know, being part of

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01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:25.199
<v Speaker 1>the community and all of that. But it's just times

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01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>have changed. The perceived need for community, I think has

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01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:36.000
<v Speaker 1>changed greatly. I think it's still incredibly important, everyone doesn't,

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01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:40.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, everyone does, and so many people have an

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01:27:40.119 --> 01:27:44.520
<v Speaker 1>online community now, right, and even organizing is not done

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01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:48.439
<v Speaker 1>by let's all meet over at the venture. It's let's

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01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:52.079
<v Speaker 1>all you know, they we have group chats and what's

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01:27:52.119 --> 01:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>happened all those things, So a lot is done virtually now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Yeah, but you know, you can send and

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01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:01.520
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the cost of real estate and rents

1320
01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:04.239
<v Speaker 1>being astronomical, and this is also true.

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01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, multiple things can be true at the

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01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:08.239
<v Speaker 2>same time.

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01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:11.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we had a bar in a reasonably priced

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01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:14.399
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood that we didn't really overpay for and still could

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01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:15.039
<v Speaker 1>not make a dime.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was gonna say, and that's just the bar

1327
01:28:18.520 --> 01:28:22.880
<v Speaker 2>business period. That had nothing to do with queerness. I mean, hmm,

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01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:27.239
<v Speaker 2>our personal, unique circumstances, notwithstanding.

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01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, it wasn't it was never supposed to be at

1330
01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:31.279
<v Speaker 1>gay bar. It's a whole that's a whole, right conversation.

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01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, a lot of speculation about it, like why

1332
01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>is it happened? But it is happening, you know, more

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01:28:37.720 --> 01:28:40.239
<v Speaker 1>and more in these places again, some have opened and

1334
01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>closed and some really long standing bars. And you know,

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01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>we've talked to a few friends in Philadelphia who are

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01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>bar owners who are just hanging on. So, yeah, this

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01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>is a it's a problem.

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01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>And let's not even get into like women owned and

1339
01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:59.239
<v Speaker 2>run in populated spaces, Like you know, we've got a

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01:28:59.319 --> 01:29:01.600
<v Speaker 2>couple of new ones that have just opened in our

1341
01:29:01.720 --> 01:29:05.520
<v Speaker 2>opening and I'm like, wrap them in bubble wrap because

1342
01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:06.960
<v Speaker 2>we need them to you know.

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01:29:07.119 --> 01:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>And and part of it is that you've got a

1344
01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:14.079
<v Speaker 1>lot of queers who just don't think it's necessary. You know,

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01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:18.479
<v Speaker 1>they can go anywhere they think, you know, it's not

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01:29:18.840 --> 01:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>like it used to be.

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01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>But it See, the first thing that comes to my

1348
01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:28.560
<v Speaker 2>mind is when the cis White Gaze could get married,

1349
01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:31.600
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, the struggle was over. That's

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01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:32.439
<v Speaker 2>that's what I heard.

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01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:34.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know.

1352
01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>The struggle is not over.

1353
01:29:38.279 --> 01:29:39.720
<v Speaker 3>Of course, the struggle is not over.

1354
01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:40.640
<v Speaker 2>It is not over.

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01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:45.239
<v Speaker 1>It is sad, you know, we're institutions are closing, new

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01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>places are closing, and no one has a solution to this.

1357
01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:52.239
<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of what the article is about. But

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01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:54.319
<v Speaker 1>I think we should link to it because there's a

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01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of spaces that are going and go on, right

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01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>and I think it's the trend and it's very sad.

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01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:04.199
<v Speaker 1>It is sad, you know, we're even seeing it with

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01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the cup What do we have left? One restaurant maybe two,

1363
01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and they're seeing a real downturn. So and it's almost

1364
01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:20.479
<v Speaker 1>like queers are not supporting queer spaces that part, because

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01:30:21.399 --> 01:30:25.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, either they count themselves among the majority

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01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:30.279
<v Speaker 1>where they don't see the value, or they're happily going

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01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:34.159
<v Speaker 1>to you know, mixed or straight spaces.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Yeah, you know, it all plays a part.

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01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think the industry is different, I do, yeah,

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01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:46.079
<v Speaker 1>and it changes all the time. But I mean we

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01:30:46.199 --> 01:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>found out, you know, and so we kind of came

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01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>in on the cusp of things really changing for corner bars.

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01:30:52.680 --> 01:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>And that was twenty fifteen, So we're talking eleven years ago,

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01:30:57.279 --> 01:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and there's been steady change and COVID certainly changed a

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01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:01.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of.

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01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:06.079
<v Speaker 3>The way we go out. Yeah, you know, how often

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01:31:06.199 --> 01:31:08.760
<v Speaker 3>we go out, how late we go.

1378
01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Out, where we go out to, what kinds of things

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01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:15.359
<v Speaker 1>we go out to, Sure's, And I think it's changed

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01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:17.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of, you know, across the board.

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01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because like I was looking at and I

1382
01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:24.039
<v Speaker 2>was going through my Facebook memories the other day and

1383
01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:28.279
<v Speaker 2>I had posted this a couple of years ago. This

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01:31:28.600 --> 01:31:32.399
<v Speaker 2>had to have been still during COVID because we had

1385
01:31:32.600 --> 01:31:35.039
<v Speaker 2>we had only been in this house for a little bit,

1386
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:39.119
<v Speaker 2>and I was watching the movie Beach Street and it

1387
01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:43.279
<v Speaker 2>was the scene was the big Christmas party, and I'm

1388
01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:45.800
<v Speaker 2>looking at the scene, like the dance floor and all

1389
01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:49.159
<v Speaker 2>the people in the club on this dance floor, and

1390
01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:54.199
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this kind of image gives me like

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01:31:54.359 --> 01:31:57.239
<v Speaker 2>a couple of different feelings. One, it gives me anxiety

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01:31:57.399 --> 01:32:01.640
<v Speaker 2>because I'm like, you know, all these people in one space,

1393
01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:03.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. And then at the same time, it's

1394
01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:05.000
<v Speaker 2>like it's kind of sad because like we can never.

1395
01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Have that again, and we may not, you know.

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01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like there was a time I'd have been one

1397
01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:14.000
<v Speaker 2>of those people. I've been a dot in the middle

1398
01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:16.319
<v Speaker 2>of all those dots, and now the idea just makes

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01:32:16.359 --> 01:32:20.039
<v Speaker 2>me queers. Like right, well, that's also as I've gotten older,

1400
01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:22.880
<v Speaker 2>me and my threshold for other people has gotten lower.

1401
01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:29.279
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but you know, and we've talked about this,

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01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>and I think it's more than tangentially related to the

1403
01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:38.359
<v Speaker 1>right what I'm looking for, you know, p Flag. Before

1404
01:32:38.439 --> 01:32:42.279
<v Speaker 1>I got involved, our my mentor and friend Don Monroe,

1405
01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>was very heavily involved in Philadelphia and she would talk

1406
01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:52.079
<v Speaker 1>to me about how you know they split into two groups, right,

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01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>the parents of the queer kids or queer people, and

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01:32:55.800 --> 01:33:00.399
<v Speaker 1>the parents of the trans people. Right, two distinct groups.

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01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>And then we found out later that, you know, the

1410
01:33:02.079 --> 01:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>group that we are involved in did the same thing, right,

1411
01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:11.600
<v Speaker 1>And now you know, in twenty twenty six, overwhelmingly these

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01:33:11.640 --> 01:33:16.399
<v Speaker 1>are parents, family members, spouses, loved ones of trans people.

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01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Very you know, it's it's almost rare that it's a

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01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:25.720
<v Speaker 1>queer person, right that they're trying to accept or understand. Right,

1415
01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:28.439
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like, oh, thank god, you're gay, that we

1416
01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:29.000
<v Speaker 1>can deal with.

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01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:30.399
<v Speaker 3>You know, you're fine.

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01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:35.079
<v Speaker 2>I know when whenever someone is talking about someone who

1419
01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:36.760
<v Speaker 2>just came out as gay, in my head, I'm like,

1420
01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>how quaint? Right.

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01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:42.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, but here's the thing, And I think part of

1422
01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:46.199
<v Speaker 1>that is, you know, all the talk about trans people

1423
01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and drag queens, and if you're not doing one of

1424
01:33:47.960 --> 01:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>those things, you know, you're you're fine, you think think again,

1425
01:33:52.680 --> 01:33:57.560
<v Speaker 1>you're next. So but at any rate, I think that

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01:33:57.680 --> 01:34:00.439
<v Speaker 1>that's part of it, you know, and you know a

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01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:03.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of gays are just like I don't need that, right,

1428
01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:06.439
<v Speaker 1>I can go wherever I want to go. Okay, yeah,

1429
01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:09.119
<v Speaker 1>right now, you can, but once our spaces are all gone,

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01:34:09.199 --> 01:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>we'll see how this pans out. M So let's talk

1431
01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>about Indiana. Okay, Yeah, they quietly banned trans residents from

1432
01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:26.479
<v Speaker 1>changing gender markers on their ideas they will no longer

1433
01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:34.159
<v Speaker 1>accept court orders or medical documentations recognizing trans residents gender changes.

1434
01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:35.039
<v Speaker 3>The fuck.

1435
01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:38.560
<v Speaker 1>The Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles has quietly banned residents

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01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:46.039
<v Speaker 1>from changing their gender markers on state identification documents. Yeah,

1437
01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:52.279
<v Speaker 1>they added a small notice on their website about a

1438
01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:56.039
<v Speaker 1>week ago stating that it will no longer accept court

1439
01:34:56.199 --> 01:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>orders or medical documentations recognizing trends gender residents gender changes.

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01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:05.359
<v Speaker 1>The will gets into effect February twelve, so it's in

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01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:11.560
<v Speaker 1>effect now, giving those impacted less than three days to act.

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01:35:14.039 --> 01:35:18.560
<v Speaker 2>LGBTQ plus advocacy organization Indiana Youth Group said in a statement,

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01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:22.439
<v Speaker 2>denying people the ability to update the gender marker on

1444
01:35:22.520 --> 01:35:26.279
<v Speaker 2>their identification is not only discriminatory, it is dangerous. It

1445
01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:32.239
<v Speaker 2>is in an increasingly hostile climate. Mismatched identification can expose

1446
01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:37.159
<v Speaker 2>individuals to harassment, threats, and violence. It can also create

1447
01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:42.199
<v Speaker 2>serious barriers to employment, housing, and access to essential services.

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01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:46.399
<v Speaker 2>Exactly the rule had been proposed twice before, once in

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01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:50.000
<v Speaker 2>July and again in November, but was met with are

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01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:54.119
<v Speaker 2>from Hoosiers in Indiana who submitted thousands of emails and

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01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>public testimonies against it. The policy was withdrawn each time,

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01:35:58.039 --> 01:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>only to be enacted this week without comment.

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01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>So, no matter what all the citizens of Indiana have

1454
01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:09.399
<v Speaker 1>to say about it, they did it anyway, right, What

1455
01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:16.600
<v Speaker 1>the hell? Only three states Florida, Tennessee, and Texas, completely

1456
01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:20.199
<v Speaker 1>prohibit residents from updating their gender markers on state ideas,

1457
01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>according to the Movement Advancement Project. Ten other states require

1458
01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:28.880
<v Speaker 1>proof of surgery and a court order. Trump didn't just

1459
01:36:29.039 --> 01:36:33.159
<v Speaker 1>ban changing one's gender on passports or other federal documents

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01:36:33.239 --> 01:36:36.800
<v Speaker 1>immediately upon taking office in twenty twenty five, His administration

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01:36:37.039 --> 01:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>forcefully altered existing documents to reflect assigned sex at birth

1462
01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:47.279
<v Speaker 1>and did away with the gender neutral X marker. The

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01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:51.720
<v Speaker 1>policy was temporarily blocked as a lawsuit against it moved forward,

1464
01:36:51.840 --> 01:36:54.800
<v Speaker 1>but the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the federal

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01:36:54.880 --> 01:37:00.359
<v Speaker 1>government in November, putting it back into effect. The people

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01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:06.640
<v Speaker 1>of Indiana spoke clearly and repeatedly against this policy, and

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01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:10.800
<v Speaker 1>their Bureau of metaihcles chose to ignore them, said Chris Paulson,

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01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:16.359
<v Speaker 1>the iyg CEO. Quietly implementing a rule that puts transgender

1469
01:37:16.399 --> 01:37:20.399
<v Speaker 1>hoosiers at risk while offering no transparency or a meaningful

1470
01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>notice is not governance.

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01:37:22.319 --> 01:37:23.000
<v Speaker 3>It's cruelty.

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01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:28.039
<v Speaker 1>It is it is Our young people deserve a state

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01:37:28.119 --> 01:37:32.239
<v Speaker 1>that protects their safety and dignity, not one that deliberately

1474
01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:33.479
<v Speaker 1>puts them in harm's way.

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01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:34.640
<v Speaker 2>You're here.

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01:37:34.960 --> 01:37:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Should we talk about all the ways that puts somebody

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01:37:37.079 --> 01:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>in harms way when they have to produce an idea, right? Yeah,

1478
01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:45.079
<v Speaker 1>you never know who's asking for it or what their

1479
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:49.680
<v Speaker 1>response is going to be. Right, Yeah, you're outing trans

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01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:53.720
<v Speaker 1>people in every situation where they need it, they need

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<v Speaker 1>to show it?

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01:37:55.039 --> 01:38:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Why? Right? For what reason? For what reason? There's no

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01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:02.199
<v Speaker 3>reason other than cruelty?

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01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Right, I mean that's the reason.

1485
01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:08.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no reason other than ugly. So I guess, way

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01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:09.760
<v Speaker 3>to go Indiana.

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01:38:09.880 --> 01:38:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Huh right, So Kansas is fucking around too. So far,

1488
01:38:14.159 --> 01:38:17.119
<v Speaker 1>the governor has vetoed a bill saying that it would

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01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>even ban people from visiting their grandparents of an opposite sex, wondering.

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01:38:22.239 --> 01:38:23.199
<v Speaker 3>How that's possible.

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01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:27.319
<v Speaker 1>It has strict provisions about who is allowed in to

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01:38:27.520 --> 01:38:30.720
<v Speaker 1>visit shared dorm and nursing home rooms.

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01:38:31.359 --> 01:38:35.039
<v Speaker 3>Is what she said when she vetoed the measure.

1494
01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Lara Kelly vetoed the anti trans bathroom bill after Republicans

1495
01:38:41.359 --> 01:38:44.760
<v Speaker 1>passed it using a procedure that allowed them to bring

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01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:48.039
<v Speaker 1>the legislation up to a vote without public hearing. This

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01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:52.840
<v Speaker 1>was disgusting. This was the middle of the night, right, yeah,

1498
01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:57.399
<v Speaker 1>bullshit move. The version of Senate Bill two forty four

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01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>passed by the state Senate's Republican majority, originated in the

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01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:05.840
<v Speaker 1>state's House Judiciary Committee as House Bill two four two six.

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01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:10.880
<v Speaker 1>That bill would have required Kansas driver's licenses and birth

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01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:16.039
<v Speaker 1>certificates to indicate a person's sex assigned at birth, regardless.

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01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:16.880
<v Speaker 3>Of their gender identity.

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01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:21.439
<v Speaker 1>But in late January, Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee

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01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:25.600
<v Speaker 1>approved an amendment to the bill that would have required

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01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:31.199
<v Speaker 1>government buildings in the state to segregate spaces like bathrooms

1507
01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:35.840
<v Speaker 1>and locker rooms by sex and banned trans people from

1508
01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:38.960
<v Speaker 1>using facilities that do not align with the sex they

1509
01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:43.000
<v Speaker 1>were assigned to birth. Notably, the committee gave no public

1510
01:39:43.119 --> 01:39:45.800
<v Speaker 1>notice that it would add the bathroom band to the

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01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>bill prior to voting on it, and worse, after approving

1512
01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:53.279
<v Speaker 1>the amendment, The committee used a procedure known as gut

1513
01:39:53.439 --> 01:39:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and go, which allowed them to place the contents of

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01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:02.720
<v Speaker 1>HB two four two six into an entirely unrelated bill

1515
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:07.720
<v Speaker 1>SB two four four that had already been passed in

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01:40:07.800 --> 01:40:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the state Senate.

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01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:14.439
<v Speaker 3>This is disgusting, yep, all of it.

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01:40:15.880 --> 01:40:19.399
<v Speaker 1>The maneuver allowed the Kansas Senate to sidestep public input

1519
01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and vote on those legislation without a hearing. Yeah, so

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01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the governor did cite numerous and significant consequences. That's the

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01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:34.960
<v Speaker 1>reason for her veto If your grandfather is in a

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01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:38.880
<v Speaker 1>nursing home in a shared room, as a granddaughter, you

1523
01:40:38.960 --> 01:40:42.239
<v Speaker 1>would not be able to visit him. If your sister

1524
01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:44.880
<v Speaker 1>is living in a dormant case state, as a brother,

1525
01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:47.239
<v Speaker 1>you would not be able to visit her in her room.

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01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Kelly said in a statement, I believe the legislature should

1527
01:40:51.239 --> 01:40:54.399
<v Speaker 1>stay out of the business of telling Kansas how to

1528
01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:58.000
<v Speaker 1>go to the bathroom and instead stay focused on how

1529
01:40:58.039 --> 01:41:01.239
<v Speaker 1>to make life more affordable for Kansas. Since I couldn't

1530
01:41:01.239 --> 01:41:05.239
<v Speaker 1>agree more. Yeah, really good God, It's.

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01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Like what Yeah, And they're spending all this time, all

1532
01:41:10.279 --> 01:41:15.439
<v Speaker 2>these different states are spending all this time on this

1533
01:41:16.119 --> 01:41:21.279
<v Speaker 2>unnecessary minutia so you know, the important shit ain't getting done.

1534
01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:25.439
<v Speaker 1>No, this is they're focused on us, on this hate

1535
01:41:25.520 --> 01:41:28.239
<v Speaker 1>campaign against us, because if you're looking at us, you're

1536
01:41:28.279 --> 01:41:31.479
<v Speaker 1>not paying attention to the kids they're diddling, You're not

1537
01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:35.920
<v Speaker 1>paying attention to the money they're stealing from you. Yeah,

1538
01:41:36.079 --> 01:41:40.119
<v Speaker 1>the entire Republican Party has lost their soul and lost

1539
01:41:40.199 --> 01:41:44.079
<v Speaker 1>their way, and we're the scapegoat for now. Right, But

1540
01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:45.439
<v Speaker 1>everybody's fair game.

1541
01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:48.159
<v Speaker 2>And they scream Jesus the entire time.

1542
01:41:48.239 --> 01:41:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they do, and they find people to follow them,

1543
01:41:51.039 --> 01:41:54.760
<v Speaker 1>and it's scary as fuck. But the majority of folks

1544
01:41:54.840 --> 01:41:58.880
<v Speaker 1>in this country are not down with this nonsense. The

1545
01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:01.439
<v Speaker 1>majority of folks in Canansas, the majority of folks in

1546
01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Indiana not okay with this stuff. Right, So they do

1547
01:42:05.720 --> 01:42:08.640
<v Speaker 1>it in the dark of night. Why why is this

1548
01:42:08.920 --> 01:42:12.319
<v Speaker 1>all they can focus on? Because, well, in part, it's

1549
01:42:12.359 --> 01:42:14.920
<v Speaker 1>because Republicans don't know how to govern a goddamn thing.

1550
01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:26.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, well, yeah, so this is fun.

1551
01:42:28.399 --> 01:42:33.479
<v Speaker 2>So Fox News host says trans people should not be

1552
01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:37.319
<v Speaker 2>allowed to own guns. Ooh, I want to hear about this.

1553
01:42:39.439 --> 01:42:41.159
<v Speaker 3>I don't. It made me sick.

1554
01:42:42.199 --> 01:42:47.239
<v Speaker 2>So Fox News host Lawrence Jones, Oh, and he's black.

1555
01:42:47.399 --> 01:42:52.800
<v Speaker 2>It is during a February seventeenth segment discussing a February

1556
01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:56.840
<v Speaker 2>sixteenth mass shooting at a Rhode Island ice rink, expressed

1557
01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:59.760
<v Speaker 2>that he thinks transgender people should not be allowed to

1558
01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:01.640
<v Speaker 2>guns in the US.

1559
01:43:02.079 --> 01:43:05.319
<v Speaker 3>These are the Second Amendment people, m h uh huh.

1560
01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:08.720
<v Speaker 2>Robert Dorgan, fifty six, killed their son and ex wife

1561
01:43:08.760 --> 01:43:11.439
<v Speaker 2>before taking their own life during a hockey game at

1562
01:43:11.479 --> 01:43:16.000
<v Speaker 2>the Dennis M. Lynch Arena in Pawtucket. The Independent previously

1563
01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:18.720
<v Speaker 2>reported that Dorgan, who also went by the name Roberta,

1564
01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:22.279
<v Speaker 2>had undergone gender affirming surgery and struggled with family issues.

1565
01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:26.600
<v Speaker 2>During the discussion on Fox News is the Five, Jones said,

1566
01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:29.079
<v Speaker 2>if you're someone that just wants to wear a dress,

1567
01:43:29.640 --> 01:43:32.840
<v Speaker 2>no problems. If you are someone that just wants to

1568
01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:35.760
<v Speaker 2>identify as another sex but you know deep down that

1569
01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:39.079
<v Speaker 2>you're not, but you just want to be called he

1570
01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:42.319
<v Speaker 2>or she, that's one thing. But if you from a

1571
01:43:42.399 --> 01:43:46.720
<v Speaker 2>psychological tendpoint, oh bitch, think that you are another sex,

1572
01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:47.640
<v Speaker 2>you should.

1573
01:43:47.439 --> 01:43:48.279
<v Speaker 3>Not have a gun.

1574
01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:53.239
<v Speaker 2>So if you're a white man who believes that you're

1575
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:56.359
<v Speaker 2>a Christian and a thinking human being but then goes

1576
01:43:56.439 --> 01:44:02.159
<v Speaker 2>out and shoots unarmed black people, or the way time happens. Yeah,

1577
01:44:02.479 --> 01:44:04.640
<v Speaker 2>then you should not own a gun. We can use

1578
01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:05.560
<v Speaker 2>that same logic.

1579
01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>We should have, but we never have. Time after time

1580
01:44:09.960 --> 01:44:13.760
<v Speaker 1>after time after time after time after time. All of

1581
01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:18.600
<v Speaker 1>these mass shootings have pretty much been all but what

1582
01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:25.359
<v Speaker 1>three have been SIS had or sis had identified white men,

1583
01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:28.119
<v Speaker 1>and someone needs definitely men even if they weren't.

1584
01:44:28.439 --> 01:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>And someone needs to tell coonhead McGee over here that

1585
01:44:31.359 --> 01:44:34.680
<v Speaker 2>the same argument was levied against black people since time

1586
01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:35.680
<v Speaker 2>out of mind.

1587
01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Right right, Yeah, something that has been diagnosed to gender

1588
01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:43.359
<v Speaker 1>dysphory is a problem, and all of us know it.

1589
01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:46.199
<v Speaker 1>We all have to fill out the federal gun form

1590
01:44:46.279 --> 01:44:49.800
<v Speaker 1>that talks about mental You should have to check that box.

1591
01:44:50.760 --> 01:44:53.520
<v Speaker 1>The vast majority of perpetrators, up to ninety eight percent,

1592
01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:56.039
<v Speaker 1>by the way, in mass shootings, and this is in

1593
01:44:56.439 --> 01:45:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Pink News. Our cis gender or non trans men according

1594
01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:04.560
<v Speaker 1>to data from the Violence Prevention Product, And while being

1595
01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>transgender is not classified as a mental disorder, trans people

1596
01:45:08.680 --> 01:45:12.640
<v Speaker 1>usually need to be diagnosed with the condition of gender

1597
01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:18.399
<v Speaker 1>dysphoria or gender identity disorder in order to access healthcare.

1598
01:45:19.319 --> 01:45:22.079
<v Speaker 2>This motherfucker and those say, let the black guys say

1599
01:45:22.159 --> 01:45:23.359
<v Speaker 2>this bullshit.

1600
01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:28.520
<v Speaker 1>This motherfucker, Yeah, a couple of trans people went off

1601
01:45:28.560 --> 01:45:31.600
<v Speaker 1>the rails, and is it any wonder I'm surprised more

1602
01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:35.640
<v Speaker 1>of us don't, for real, just like I'm surprised more

1603
01:45:35.680 --> 01:45:38.119
<v Speaker 1>black people don't lose their fucking minds in this country.

1604
01:45:38.760 --> 01:45:44.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, honestly, well, right, you're lucky. All we

1605
01:45:44.359 --> 01:45:47.680
<v Speaker 1>want is equal rights and not revenge that part. But

1606
01:45:47.800 --> 01:45:50.720
<v Speaker 1>they assume we will treat them like they treat us.

1607
01:45:51.359 --> 01:45:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Should we get a foothold anywhere?

1608
01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:57.479
<v Speaker 2>So, which is why this coon ass motherfucker saying this shit?

1609
01:45:58.119 --> 01:46:03.319
<v Speaker 3>Just mm hmmm hmmm. I thought you would enjoy this one.

1610
01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh fuck.

1611
01:46:05.840 --> 01:46:08.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean you're already a Fox News correspondent, so you

1612
01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:10.319
<v Speaker 2>automatically have sold your fucking soul.

1613
01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Right, you probably got a portrait of Clarence Thomas up

1614
01:46:14.039 --> 01:46:16.279
<v Speaker 3>in your den.

1615
01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:21.680
<v Speaker 2>H How is it twenty twenty six and you still

1616
01:46:21.760 --> 01:46:24.800
<v Speaker 2>have cotton underneath your fucking fingernails? Oh god damn.

1617
01:46:26.239 --> 01:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Do you think he does though, or do you think

1618
01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:30.880
<v Speaker 1>he assumes everyone else does and he doesn't want it there?

1619
01:46:31.800 --> 01:46:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what this is. Please, I think he's

1620
01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:40.920
<v Speaker 1>some you know, mistake in the house for his home.

1621
01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Again, the view of the house is always better from

1622
01:46:44.640 --> 01:46:46.039
<v Speaker 2>the porch than from the field.

1623
01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:49.560
<v Speaker 1>It is right, But isn't that interesting that that's an

1624
01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:54.479
<v Speaker 1>immediate solution, Right? A couple of trans people are involved

1625
01:46:55.560 --> 01:47:00.560
<v Speaker 1>in a shooting and we shouldn't have guns, And yet

1626
01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>that is never what any of y'all say when it's

1627
01:47:05.159 --> 01:47:14.359
<v Speaker 1>yet another white man. Now, it's almost like, this isn't fair, And.

1628
01:47:16.760 --> 01:47:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I didn't anyway, what's next because I have nothing else

1629
01:47:22.159 --> 01:47:23.039
<v Speaker 2>constructive to say?

1630
01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:28.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, Journal of the American Medical Association Investigation tells us

1631
01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:33.439
<v Speaker 1>twenty six percent of trans and gender diverse youth have

1632
01:47:33.880 --> 01:47:39.520
<v Speaker 1>attempted suicide, and the highest attempt rates came out of

1633
01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:44.000
<v Speaker 1>North America amidst the United States War on transkits.

1634
01:47:44.920 --> 01:47:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Shocker, Yeah, I bet your water's still wet.

1635
01:47:49.039 --> 01:47:51.760
<v Speaker 1>More than a quarter of trans and gender diverse youth

1636
01:47:51.880 --> 01:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>worldwide have attempted suicide. For a study printed this month

1637
01:47:57.039 --> 01:48:02.359
<v Speaker 1>in Drama Pediatrics, a high impact medical journal, co authors

1638
01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:07.119
<v Speaker 1>from Alberta Children's Hospital Research Institute and the University of

1639
01:48:07.199 --> 01:48:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Calgary performed a systematic review and meta analysis of one

1640
01:48:12.199 --> 01:48:16.479
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty seven studies, including over one hundred thirty

1641
01:48:16.680 --> 01:48:22.760
<v Speaker 1>thousand transgender diverse youth. While much of the data was

1642
01:48:22.880 --> 01:48:29.199
<v Speaker 1>proportionate across demographics. One disparity of note came from North America.

1643
01:48:29.960 --> 01:48:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Youth on the continent saw suicide attempts skyrocket more than

1644
01:48:36.680 --> 01:48:42.880
<v Speaker 1>any other region included in the study. The observed increases

1645
01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:48.439
<v Speaker 1>in suicidal ideation attempts and non suicidal self injury in

1646
01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:53.239
<v Speaker 1>more recent data collection periods may also impart reflect the

1647
01:48:53.399 --> 01:49:01.600
<v Speaker 1>growing sociopolitical hostility toward our communities, particularly North America. According

1648
01:49:01.640 --> 01:49:06.199
<v Speaker 1>to the authors, the rise of anti transgender legislation, combined

1649
01:49:06.279 --> 01:49:11.039
<v Speaker 1>with escalating public stigma and discrimination, may be contributing to

1650
01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:16.279
<v Speaker 1>heightened psychological distress and risk for self harm and suicidality.

1651
01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Maybe right, Yeah, The literature surrounding the toll of the

1652
01:49:22.199 --> 01:49:27.279
<v Speaker 1>anti trans crusade on children in the United States is robust.

1653
01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:29.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1654
01:49:30.479 --> 01:49:34.199
<v Speaker 1>Indeed, the rates are two to three and a half

1655
01:49:34.319 --> 01:49:39.800
<v Speaker 1>times higher in transgender diverse youth compared with those of

1656
01:49:39.920 --> 01:49:44.840
<v Speaker 1>their cisgender peers who are not being targeted like trans

1657
01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:48.760
<v Speaker 1>kids are. There is a critical need for improved prevention

1658
01:49:49.239 --> 01:49:54.359
<v Speaker 1>and intervention efforts to address their mental health concerns, according

1659
01:49:54.399 --> 01:49:56.840
<v Speaker 1>to the paper, and that's the conclusions. Of course, what

1660
01:49:56.960 --> 01:50:01.079
<v Speaker 1>do we do as a nation and the specific LGBT

1661
01:50:01.279 --> 01:50:07.359
<v Speaker 1>focused nine eight eight operators. Yeah, yeah, it's almost like

1662
01:50:07.479 --> 01:50:17.159
<v Speaker 1>they want us to right. It revealed other potential trends

1663
01:50:17.479 --> 01:50:21.600
<v Speaker 1>as well. For example, it appeared to elucidate a disparity

1664
01:50:22.039 --> 01:50:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and rates of suicidal ideation between studies that include more

1665
01:50:26.680 --> 01:50:32.079
<v Speaker 1>transfeminine use versus transmasculine or broadly non binary ones. The

1666
01:50:32.199 --> 01:50:38.319
<v Speaker 1>study suggests this indicates that transmasculine individuals experience higher rates

1667
01:50:38.319 --> 01:50:42.920
<v Speaker 1>of victimization and discrimination in some respects, and that non

1668
01:50:43.039 --> 01:50:48.000
<v Speaker 1>conforming youth particularly suffer due to limited societal understanding and

1669
01:50:48.119 --> 01:50:53.760
<v Speaker 1>the invalidation of their identities, and there are still many

1670
01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:58.840
<v Speaker 1>kinds of violence disproportionately faced by trans Mental health struggles

1671
01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:05.079
<v Speaker 1>in young people also increased with age, because as we

1672
01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:08.880
<v Speaker 1>get older, we've become more aware of societal stigma, discrimination,

1673
01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:13.079
<v Speaker 1>and the long term challenges of living in a non

1674
01:51:13.159 --> 01:51:22.319
<v Speaker 1>affirming world. Researchers noted, Yeah, older youth face added stressors

1675
01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:27.079
<v Speaker 1>like navigating healthcare systems, social rejection, and lacking access to

1676
01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:36.920
<v Speaker 1>affirming support. These experiences can heighten vulnerability to suicidality over time.

1677
01:51:37.760 --> 01:51:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Right Giants People of color, of course, face more discrimination

1678
01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:49.720
<v Speaker 1>and actually suicidal ideation, though may be lower in racial

1679
01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and ethnic minority populations, which is the finding contrary to

1680
01:51:53.760 --> 01:51:57.239
<v Speaker 1>research on cisgendered heterosexual youth.

1681
01:51:59.039 --> 01:52:00.279
<v Speaker 3>Our youth are.

1682
01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Likely driven by the unique stressors they face, including bullying,

1683
01:52:04.600 --> 01:52:09.880
<v Speaker 1>limit access to gender affirming care, and internalized stigma. The

1684
01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:19.319
<v Speaker 1>authors wrote conversely, supportive families, affirming communities, and inclusive policies

1685
01:52:20.359 --> 01:52:23.279
<v Speaker 1>can serve as protective factors.

1686
01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:27.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what are still Yep?

1687
01:52:27.319 --> 01:52:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Everything we've always known and proven scientifically, etc. Over time

1688
01:52:35.119 --> 01:52:35.760
<v Speaker 1>still holds.

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01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Right.

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01:52:39.079 --> 01:52:43.239
<v Speaker 1>This one's fun just you know, in terms of bone

1691
01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:45.119
<v Speaker 1>chilling right.

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01:52:47.600 --> 01:52:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Heritage Foundation president announces intent to outlaw all trans.

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01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:55.600
<v Speaker 3>Adult care adult care. Yeah, that's right.

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01:52:56.159 --> 01:53:00.000
<v Speaker 2>The president of the billionaire backed Heritage Foundation, Kevin Robert,

1695
01:53:00.319 --> 01:53:04.319
<v Speaker 2>appeared on the influential far right PbD podcast to discuss

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01:53:04.479 --> 01:53:10.199
<v Speaker 2>gender affirming care. During his appearance, he echoed usual far

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01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:15.399
<v Speaker 2>right anti transgender talking points, including linking being transgender to

1698
01:53:15.479 --> 01:53:17.800
<v Speaker 2>being inherently violent, which I still don't know where the

1699
01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:21.319
<v Speaker 2>fuck they get that from. Then the conversation turned towards

1700
01:53:21.399 --> 01:53:24.359
<v Speaker 2>what the Heritage Foundation was working on when it comes

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01:53:24.399 --> 01:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>to the future of transgender people. It was during this

1702
01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:31.119
<v Speaker 2>shift that Roberts darkly announced that his solution to being

1703
01:53:31.239 --> 01:53:35.880
<v Speaker 2>transgender was simple, you outlaw it, and that the organization

1704
01:53:36.079 --> 01:53:39.079
<v Speaker 2>was working to ban gender affirming care at all ages

1705
01:53:39.359 --> 01:53:45.279
<v Speaker 2>through an incremental process he described as radical incrementalism. But

1706
01:53:45.399 --> 01:53:48.319
<v Speaker 2>where there continues to be disagreement is on what you

1707
01:53:48.439 --> 01:53:52.359
<v Speaker 2>do with adults at Heritage. We believe that so called

1708
01:53:52.399 --> 01:53:56.159
<v Speaker 2>transgender surgery is bad for anybody because of what you

1709
01:53:56.319 --> 01:54:01.079
<v Speaker 2>saw in Rhode Island yesterday on shooting. Right, Yeah, there

1710
01:54:01.159 --> 01:54:03.439
<v Speaker 2>does seem to be a mounting body of evidence that

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01:54:03.520 --> 01:54:07.279
<v Speaker 2>suggests a correlation between that surgery at any age mental

1712
01:54:07.399 --> 01:54:10.399
<v Speaker 2>health issues, and increasingly, although we're running the numbers on

1713
01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:14.319
<v Speaker 2>this at Heritage, acts of violence, Fuck you, you only

1714
01:54:14.439 --> 01:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>running shit?

1715
01:54:15.680 --> 01:54:20.479
<v Speaker 1>And fuck you, why don't you study acts of violence

1716
01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:21.199
<v Speaker 1>among your own?

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01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Right? Oh wait, right?

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01:54:24.159 --> 01:54:27.159
<v Speaker 1>I do not want the Heritage Foundation deciding my future

1719
01:54:28.279 --> 01:54:31.319
<v Speaker 1>for real though for any of us, well, but a

1720
01:54:31.399 --> 01:54:35.279
<v Speaker 1>lot apparently a majority voter for it. So Project twenty

1721
01:54:35.319 --> 01:54:37.359
<v Speaker 1>five came straight out of them, and now they are

1722
01:54:37.439 --> 01:54:37.880
<v Speaker 1>saying this.

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01:54:39.399 --> 01:54:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Shit. Yeah, but everyone was, uh, we always knew.

1724
01:54:45.039 --> 01:54:47.039
<v Speaker 1>They weren't going to stop at children. We've been saying

1725
01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:50.800
<v Speaker 1>we're over dramatic. Oh I I yeah, I've been called

1726
01:54:50.840 --> 01:54:54.319
<v Speaker 1>all those things. Yeah, this is right out of his mouth,

1727
01:54:54.640 --> 01:54:58.880
<v Speaker 1>you outlaw it. When asked if transgender adults should have

1728
01:54:58.920 --> 01:55:02.520
<v Speaker 1>their medication taken away, he endorsed the idea of stating

1729
01:55:02.680 --> 01:55:06.680
<v Speaker 1>we like that idea too. One of the reasons is

1730
01:55:06.760 --> 01:55:09.640
<v Speaker 1>that we not only work in coalitions, but we often

1731
01:55:09.720 --> 01:55:15.399
<v Speaker 1>work toward an ultimate goal via incremental steps. Sometimes people

1732
01:55:15.439 --> 01:55:18.760
<v Speaker 1>will call us radical incrementalists. We're willing to take a

1733
01:55:18.880 --> 01:55:23.279
<v Speaker 1>quarter of the Angilada if we can keep working there. So,

1734
01:55:23.399 --> 01:55:26.439
<v Speaker 1>if that's the kind of thing that policymakers can agree

1735
01:55:26.479 --> 01:55:30.159
<v Speaker 1>on left and right, Heritage see, and this is what

1736
01:55:30.279 --> 01:55:33.479
<v Speaker 1>I keep saying, they will find any way to get

1737
01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Democrats to actually agree with them. Yeah, and this is

1738
01:55:38.079 --> 01:55:42.039
<v Speaker 1>why it's important that they don't. Heritage would be fully

1739
01:55:42.079 --> 01:55:45.520
<v Speaker 1>supportive of that, knowing that ultimately we have an ideal

1740
01:55:46.079 --> 01:55:49.079
<v Speaker 1>position that would be much stronger than that.

1741
01:55:49.760 --> 01:55:57.279
<v Speaker 3>This man is pure fucking evil. Yeah. Evil. When we

1742
01:55:57.520 --> 01:56:03.000
<v Speaker 3>say they want us dead, we're not kidding, right.

1743
01:56:03.039 --> 01:56:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Not hyperbole, not hyperbole at all.

1744
01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:10.439
<v Speaker 1>Do you know how many trans people would not don't

1745
01:56:10.560 --> 01:56:15.760
<v Speaker 1>want to be alive without tender, affirming care, And that's

1746
01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:22.640
<v Speaker 1>what they want. Why why still doesn't make them any better?

1747
01:56:23.239 --> 01:56:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't change any of the violence in the world doesn't

1748
01:56:27.199 --> 01:56:29.720
<v Speaker 1>make this a better place to live, and I think

1749
01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:31.560
<v Speaker 1>we need to be asking ourselves.

1750
01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:33.880
<v Speaker 3>Why one more.

1751
01:56:35.239 --> 01:56:39.439
<v Speaker 2>So, I wanted to end the segment on this because

1752
01:56:40.760 --> 01:56:46.479
<v Speaker 2>it is just ridiculous and I know that I'm pretty

1753
01:56:46.520 --> 01:56:51.119
<v Speaker 2>sure that justice will be swift on this one. So

1754
01:56:52.399 --> 01:56:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Redwood High School in Visalia, which is Fresno, California. Okay,

1755
01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:06.399
<v Speaker 2>there's some students under investigation because of a photo where

1756
01:57:07.079 --> 01:57:14.279
<v Speaker 2>they decided to get creative with spelling. So these kids

1757
01:57:14.319 --> 01:57:16.720
<v Speaker 2>were taking a photo and each of them had a

1758
01:57:16.840 --> 01:57:20.319
<v Speaker 2>letter or a number on the front of their white

1759
01:57:20.399 --> 01:57:26.760
<v Speaker 2>T shirts, and they arranged themselves so that their shirts

1760
01:57:26.800 --> 01:57:28.520
<v Speaker 2>spelled out the word fagots.

1761
01:57:29.359 --> 01:57:30.720
<v Speaker 3>Two fagots?

1762
01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Right?

1763
01:57:32.159 --> 01:57:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Why because it's funny?

1764
01:57:37.560 --> 01:57:38.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Really?

1765
01:57:39.640 --> 01:57:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought it was a joke. This was posted

1766
01:57:44.359 --> 01:57:49.319
<v Speaker 2>on the source lgbt's instagram. The source LGBT plus Center

1767
01:57:49.479 --> 01:57:52.960
<v Speaker 2>is deeply disturbed by the homophobic slur displayed by students

1768
01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:55.840
<v Speaker 2>at Redwood High School. This was not a harmless joke.

1769
01:57:55.960 --> 01:58:00.439
<v Speaker 2>It reinforces stigma, normalizes hate, and harms lgbt Q plus

1770
01:58:00.479 --> 01:58:03.960
<v Speaker 2>student's sense of safety and belonging. There is a reminder

1771
01:58:04.039 --> 01:58:08.039
<v Speaker 2>that GSA and student pride are essential to student safety

1772
01:58:08.079 --> 01:58:11.239
<v Speaker 2>and well being. We are committed to continuing advocacy for

1773
01:58:11.359 --> 01:58:14.399
<v Speaker 2>students and families for safer spaces both on and off campus.

1774
01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:18.560
<v Speaker 2>We expect meaningful accountability and tangible steps forward from the

1775
01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Visalia Unified School District. All I can say is this,

1776
01:58:23.880 --> 01:58:27.279
<v Speaker 2>The picture is very nice and clear, which means that

1777
01:58:27.399 --> 01:58:31.520
<v Speaker 2>all of these young people's faces are easily identifiable from

1778
01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:40.560
<v Speaker 2>any I don't know, college admissions departments, employers. Yes, so

1779
01:58:40.920 --> 01:58:44.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, good on y'all for smiling and saying she's

1780
01:58:44.760 --> 01:58:45.800
<v Speaker 2>so big and bright.

1781
01:58:45.880 --> 01:58:49.640
<v Speaker 3>And they did. Yeah, mm hmm. Yeah. It looks to

1782
01:58:49.840 --> 01:58:52.159
<v Speaker 3>me from the picture that you can tell who every

1783
01:58:52.239 --> 01:58:55.520
<v Speaker 3>one of them is if you want to. Uh huh right, yeah,

1784
01:58:55.920 --> 01:58:58.319
<v Speaker 3>so you know that's.

1785
01:58:58.399 --> 01:59:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Maybe takes that into account. As these people, you know,

1786
01:59:03.399 --> 01:59:07.439
<v Speaker 1>all of them white of course, well, you know, move

1787
01:59:07.479 --> 01:59:11.399
<v Speaker 1>about their business, know that this is who they are,

1788
01:59:12.319 --> 01:59:13.920
<v Speaker 1>and deal with them accordingly.

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01:59:14.640 --> 01:59:18.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, what else? What else? I believe that children

1790
01:59:18.119 --> 01:59:19.680
<v Speaker 3>are there?

1791
01:59:19.800 --> 01:59:23.319
<v Speaker 1>Not these well no, I actually do believe some of

1792
01:59:23.359 --> 01:59:26.800
<v Speaker 1>these children are the future. Scares the fuck out of me.

1793
01:59:28.800 --> 01:59:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I can't with any I mean, there is no more.

1794
01:59:31.119 --> 01:59:37.840
<v Speaker 1>That's that's what we gathered. I am debilitated. Let's take

1795
01:59:37.880 --> 01:59:41.439
<v Speaker 1>a break and we'll come back one more time and

1796
01:59:41.520 --> 01:59:42.359
<v Speaker 1>pop the culture.

1797
01:59:42.520 --> 01:59:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's do that.

1798
01:59:43.439 --> 02:00:03.439
<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back and we're back.

1799
02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:06.680
<v Speaker 2>We're back. Cake there, cat Cake.

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<v Speaker 1>No way to make any of the previous funny. Nothing,

1801
02:00:11.279 --> 02:00:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing.

1802
02:00:12.640 --> 02:00:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1803
02:00:13.760 --> 02:00:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Shit is continues to get real, continues to get ugly

1804
02:00:18.359 --> 02:00:21.960
<v Speaker 1>and bolder and nastier, and that's just the way it is.

1805
02:00:23.319 --> 02:00:28.319
<v Speaker 1>So we continue to pay attention to pop culture so

1806
02:00:28.479 --> 02:00:32.119
<v Speaker 1>we do not lose our entire minds. Did you hear

1807
02:00:33.520 --> 02:00:39.920
<v Speaker 1>the Priscilla, Queen of the Desert has a sequel confirmed?

1808
02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:40.720
<v Speaker 2>I did not.

1809
02:00:41.920 --> 02:00:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Thirty years later with the original cast and director. I

1810
02:00:45.880 --> 02:00:48.600
<v Speaker 1>saw this and I was like, oh, really, they are

1811
02:00:48.680 --> 02:00:51.159
<v Speaker 1>returning to the big screen.

1812
02:00:51.880 --> 02:00:55.840
<v Speaker 2>All of because I thought, oh no, yeah, they're all back.

1813
02:00:56.520 --> 02:00:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Terence Damp, Guy Pierce, you go, we've got work.

1814
02:00:59.119 --> 02:00:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Yep, yep, yep.

1815
02:01:00.720 --> 02:01:04.000
<v Speaker 2>That'll be interesting because they've all they're all a little older,

1816
02:01:05.359 --> 02:01:09.880
<v Speaker 2>but that can only make some of these characters better. Actually,

1817
02:01:10.760 --> 02:01:15.159
<v Speaker 2>I love Priscilla. The original Priscilla the Drag was fabulous

1818
02:01:15.560 --> 02:01:20.720
<v Speaker 2>and the soundtrack to that film is so amazing, So

1819
02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:22.720
<v Speaker 2>I can only imagine what it's going to be for

1820
02:01:22.800 --> 02:01:23.560
<v Speaker 2>the second.

1821
02:01:23.279 --> 02:01:26.880
<v Speaker 1>One, well, two of the characters are drag queens. The

1822
02:01:27.039 --> 02:01:32.000
<v Speaker 1>third is a transgender woman and the heartwarming treatment she gets.

1823
02:01:31.840 --> 02:01:34.920
<v Speaker 3>In the movie is one of the films highlight indeed.

1824
02:01:35.800 --> 02:01:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and of course you know this film was considered

1825
02:01:40.600 --> 02:01:44.840
<v Speaker 2>to be the inspiration for Tu Wong fu h. Thank

1826
02:01:44.880 --> 02:01:49.039
<v Speaker 2>you for everything, Julie Newmar with Patrick Swayze playing the

1827
02:01:49.119 --> 02:01:51.680
<v Speaker 2>part of the trans woman. I love that was not

1828
02:01:52.079 --> 02:01:55.319
<v Speaker 2>in the act stated in the actual film. I believe

1829
02:01:55.760 --> 02:01:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Patrick was playing it that way.

1830
02:01:58.239 --> 02:02:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, the sequel will will include new characters. It will

1831
02:02:02.359 --> 02:02:07.079
<v Speaker 1>still include old disco classics, but we'll be moving into

1832
02:02:07.279 --> 02:02:13.439
<v Speaker 1>contemporary as well. The movie was turned into a Broadway musical,

1833
02:02:13.760 --> 02:02:17.640
<v Speaker 1>right and other spin off live shows and Lady Gaga

1834
02:02:17.800 --> 02:02:22.079
<v Speaker 1>is Born this way is particularly popular with the audience

1835
02:02:22.680 --> 02:02:23.640
<v Speaker 1>when it's included.

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02:02:24.119 --> 02:02:25.680
<v Speaker 3>We've got to move with the time.

1837
02:02:26.399 --> 02:02:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I hope they get the same costume person, right, because

1838
02:02:30.920 --> 02:02:34.520
<v Speaker 2>remember when I think it was the Oscars that year

1839
02:02:34.840 --> 02:02:37.560
<v Speaker 2>and she was wearing the dress that was made of

1840
02:02:37.640 --> 02:02:38.279
<v Speaker 2>raisor blades.

1841
02:02:39.159 --> 02:02:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Remember this.

1842
02:02:40.800 --> 02:02:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I want her back because that was fierce.

1843
02:02:46.159 --> 02:02:48.960
<v Speaker 3>So will keep her eye out for that. Yeah, that

1844
02:02:49.039 --> 02:02:50.000
<v Speaker 3>was a fun movie.

1845
02:02:50.159 --> 02:02:53.199
<v Speaker 2>And I think like the up to date, like the

1846
02:02:53.319 --> 02:02:55.760
<v Speaker 2>current songs that they use in the original was like C. C.

1847
02:02:55.920 --> 02:03:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Peniston finally, like that was like the current sound then,

1848
02:03:02.640 --> 02:03:05.560
<v Speaker 2>So I'm curious see what they use this go round

1849
02:03:05.880 --> 02:03:09.199
<v Speaker 2>because again the soundtrack is amazing. That's how I discovered

1850
02:03:09.239 --> 02:03:12.119
<v Speaker 2>the song I've Never Been to Me really off of

1851
02:03:12.199 --> 02:03:16.840
<v Speaker 2>that soundtrack. Yeah, really, I had never heard that song before.

1852
02:03:16.960 --> 02:03:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. Yeah that was on the radio, not

1853
02:03:21.359 --> 02:03:24.439
<v Speaker 3>in my house. It wasn't mine.

1854
02:03:25.720 --> 02:03:28.880
<v Speaker 2>And Lena Horne fine romance, Like there was a lot

1855
02:03:28.960 --> 02:03:29.319
<v Speaker 2>of songs.

1856
02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:33.279
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, I love the soundtrack, right, we'll

1857
02:03:33.479 --> 02:03:35.279
<v Speaker 1>stay on the lookout.

1858
02:03:35.760 --> 02:03:37.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm excited me too.

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02:03:38.720 --> 02:03:41.560
<v Speaker 2>So this is something that I came across that I

1860
02:03:41.760 --> 02:03:44.920
<v Speaker 2>was It made my little eyebrow raise up, just the one,

1861
02:03:45.359 --> 02:03:47.199
<v Speaker 2>just the one, and I can't even do that. So

1862
02:03:47.279 --> 02:03:50.000
<v Speaker 2>that's how you know. So, there is a video game

1863
02:03:50.840 --> 02:03:55.119
<v Speaker 2>that was just released the day after Valentine's Day. It's

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02:03:55.119 --> 02:03:59.560
<v Speaker 2>called Reloted, and it's a video game where players steal

1865
02:03:59.760 --> 02:04:03.319
<v Speaker 2>back back African artifacts come Again.

1866
02:04:03.760 --> 02:04:04.119
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

1867
02:04:04.479 --> 02:04:07.560
<v Speaker 2>So this was released by a South African company and

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02:04:07.640 --> 02:04:11.399
<v Speaker 2>it features characters from the African continent whose objective is

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02:04:11.439 --> 02:04:15.800
<v Speaker 2>to reclaim artifacts looted by colonizers from Western museums and

1870
02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:21.560
<v Speaker 2>bring them home. I want to play this game. This

1871
02:04:21.800 --> 02:04:24.720
<v Speaker 2>isn't just a heist, It's a rescue mission. The trailer

1872
02:04:24.800 --> 02:04:26.439
<v Speaker 2>for Relooted tells its audience.

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02:04:26.800 --> 02:04:28.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah.

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02:04:28.279 --> 02:04:32.239
<v Speaker 2>It was released on February tenth on several platforms. It's

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02:04:32.279 --> 02:04:34.560
<v Speaker 2>set in the late twenty first century in a context

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02:04:34.600 --> 02:04:38.319
<v Speaker 2>where political powers have signed a treaty promising to return

1877
02:04:38.600 --> 02:04:42.560
<v Speaker 2>genuine African artifacts held in museums, so it's definitely fiction.

1878
02:04:44.520 --> 02:04:48.199
<v Speaker 2>When these museums learn that only the works on public

1879
02:04:48.279 --> 02:04:51.640
<v Speaker 2>display will be returned, they gradually remove them from exhibitions

1880
02:04:51.680 --> 02:04:54.439
<v Speaker 2>in order to avoid having to hand them over. But

1881
02:04:54.600 --> 02:04:57.359
<v Speaker 2>they haven't banked on the game's heroes, a group of

1882
02:04:57.439 --> 02:05:03.279
<v Speaker 2>people from different African countries ready to discreetly reloote seventy artifacts,

1883
02:05:03.720 --> 02:05:07.439
<v Speaker 2>including a Yoho te mask from Burkina, Fasso Congolese, a

1884
02:05:07.520 --> 02:05:13.359
<v Speaker 2>shugo sticks, and a Gaji drum from Kenya. Hmmm, all right.

1885
02:05:14.640 --> 02:05:17.640
<v Speaker 2>The game incorporates all the classic elements of the heist

1886
02:05:17.760 --> 02:05:21.439
<v Speaker 2>video game. A motley crew of thieves, a bit of strategy,

1887
02:05:21.640 --> 02:05:24.720
<v Speaker 2>plenty of acrobatics, and above all, the thrill of the robbery.

1888
02:05:25.880 --> 02:05:28.279
<v Speaker 2>One of the characters asked, but is it really theft?

1889
02:05:28.359 --> 02:05:32.000
<v Speaker 2>If it was already stolen. Good ass question.

1890
02:05:32.279 --> 02:05:38.079
<v Speaker 3>Yep, I love it. When is this coming out?

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02:05:38.199 --> 02:05:40.800
<v Speaker 2>It's out, It came out, came out the day after

1892
02:05:41.039 --> 02:05:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Valentine's Die.

1893
02:05:41.920 --> 02:05:43.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, and you don't have it?

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02:05:44.119 --> 02:05:47.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't, well, I don't. I haven't bought a new

1895
02:05:47.520 --> 02:05:49.920
<v Speaker 2>game system this.

1896
02:05:51.039 --> 02:05:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this game.

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02:05:51.840 --> 02:05:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm an old school Okay, and so I loved

1898
02:05:56.600 --> 02:05:59.359
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. I'm I'm down for it. I want to

1899
02:05:59.399 --> 02:06:02.560
<v Speaker 2>play this game, and this would be a reason to

1900
02:06:02.600 --> 02:06:07.279
<v Speaker 2>get a new game system. I'm just saying, you have friends,

1901
02:06:11.159 --> 02:06:13.279
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say. And the other reason why I

1902
02:06:13.479 --> 02:06:17.600
<v Speaker 2>haven't played many new video games is because you're mean.

1903
02:06:17.840 --> 02:06:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm kidding. That's not that's not the.

1904
02:06:19.640 --> 02:06:26.760
<v Speaker 3>Real I'll take it. I will take it. I'm fine

1905
02:06:26.800 --> 02:06:31.560
<v Speaker 3>with that. Not a problem.

1906
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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So I basically bullied you into watching Reality Check. Yes,

1907
02:06:44.279 --> 02:06:48.319
<v Speaker 2>the America's Next Top Model documentary. Yes, and aren't you

1908
02:06:48.399 --> 02:06:49.000
<v Speaker 2>glad I did?

1909
02:06:49.560 --> 02:06:50.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure?

1910
02:06:51.600 --> 02:06:55.439
<v Speaker 1>Kinda we Yeah, we were rivetted, Oh my god, to

1911
02:06:55.600 --> 02:06:59.880
<v Speaker 1>all three episodes in a row at one time.

1912
02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:02.359
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Oh my yeah, it was.

1913
02:07:02.960 --> 02:07:06.600
<v Speaker 2>It was. It was scalding hot tea. All happened through

1914
02:07:07.479 --> 02:07:10.720
<v Speaker 2>and the fact that Tyra herself was in it Tyra

1915
02:07:10.800 --> 02:07:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Banks was in it.

1916
02:07:12.159 --> 02:07:15.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was gonna be like a puff piece.

1917
02:07:15.880 --> 02:07:18.680
<v Speaker 2>No, I knew it was her. Oh, I definitely.

1918
02:07:18.399 --> 02:07:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Because she involved herself, you know, because usually folks don't

1919
02:07:23.880 --> 02:07:27.560
<v Speaker 1>if they're not gonna look good. Right, I'm still trying

1920
02:07:27.600 --> 02:07:28.800
<v Speaker 1>to figure out why she did it.

1921
02:07:30.520 --> 02:07:33.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, if you'll notice, I know she.

1922
02:07:33.520 --> 02:07:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Talked about a season twenty five. I meant nobody wants.

1923
02:07:35.520 --> 02:07:37.720
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. She was like, get ready for

1924
02:07:37.840 --> 02:07:41.439
<v Speaker 2>cycle twenty five. Nobody's going no, no, nobody wants to

1925
02:07:41.479 --> 02:07:44.880
<v Speaker 2>be ready for them, because there's people from cycle one

1926
02:07:44.960 --> 02:07:46.359
<v Speaker 2>that still got some things to say.

1927
02:07:46.920 --> 02:07:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, and j Menmoel is still waiting for that

1928
02:07:50.760 --> 02:07:51.159
<v Speaker 3>phone call.

1929
02:07:51.399 --> 02:07:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh actually now he's not. So he's not the biggest takeaways.

1930
02:07:57.920 --> 02:08:01.439
<v Speaker 2>So I remember I watched, especially the first season of

1931
02:08:01.520 --> 02:08:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Top Model, like Lisa and I had a standing date

1932
02:08:04.720 --> 02:08:06.800
<v Speaker 2>at her apartment where I would come and we would

1933
02:08:06.800 --> 02:08:11.359
<v Speaker 2>watch this show and it was just like, you know,

1934
02:08:11.640 --> 02:08:14.560
<v Speaker 2>this is the early days of reality television. So it

1935
02:08:14.680 --> 02:08:19.560
<v Speaker 2>was the Wow Wile west Child and you know, seeing

1936
02:08:19.640 --> 02:08:24.000
<v Speaker 2>these young girls be put through the ringer for the

1937
02:08:24.880 --> 02:08:29.479
<v Speaker 2>chance at a career as a model. And I realized

1938
02:08:29.520 --> 02:08:33.479
<v Speaker 2>that part of the reason why I accepted so much

1939
02:08:33.520 --> 02:08:35.159
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that happened on this show was because

1940
02:08:35.199 --> 02:08:38.760
<v Speaker 2>at the time, I was an up and coming artist

1941
02:08:39.079 --> 02:08:40.960
<v Speaker 2>trying to make my way in the dog eat dog

1942
02:08:41.079 --> 02:08:44.560
<v Speaker 2>world of performing arts. So you know, the whole thing

1943
02:08:44.640 --> 02:08:45.920
<v Speaker 2>of like you got to pay your dues and these

1944
02:08:45.960 --> 02:08:47.399
<v Speaker 2>things you gotta do and this things you got to

1945
02:08:47.439 --> 02:08:49.319
<v Speaker 2>put up with, and you know, you can't complain and

1946
02:08:49.399 --> 02:08:50.840
<v Speaker 2>you can't bitch, and you gotta do this, and you

1947
02:08:50.880 --> 02:08:54.439
<v Speaker 2>gotta do this. So like all that just aligned camera

1948
02:08:55.079 --> 02:09:02.600
<v Speaker 2>on them, thank you. So Yeah, so many things came

1949
02:09:02.680 --> 02:09:05.880
<v Speaker 2>out that happened to these girls in the process of

1950
02:09:06.000 --> 02:09:10.239
<v Speaker 2>making the show, and you know, a lot of it

1951
02:09:10.479 --> 02:09:14.039
<v Speaker 2>just wasn't cool. And it was supposed to be. It

1952
02:09:14.079 --> 02:09:17.239
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be a rejection of the fashion world

1953
02:09:17.279 --> 02:09:20.079
<v Speaker 2>at the time. Well, at the same time, it was

1954
02:09:20.159 --> 02:09:22.720
<v Speaker 2>a reflection of the fashion world.

1955
02:09:22.840 --> 02:09:26.119
<v Speaker 1>It really was, because you know, while that there was

1956
02:09:26.199 --> 02:09:29.800
<v Speaker 1>lip service page to this, you know, I don't know,

1957
02:09:30.000 --> 02:09:33.680
<v Speaker 1>being some new frontier, I heard an awful lot about

1958
02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:35.079
<v Speaker 1>that's the way things are.

1959
02:09:35.720 --> 02:09:37.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was confusing.

1960
02:09:37.960 --> 02:09:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like Tyra claimed that her whole reason for starting

1961
02:09:41.079 --> 02:09:44.399
<v Speaker 2>the show was to show the fashion world that there's

1962
02:09:44.479 --> 02:09:47.520
<v Speaker 2>more than one body type. There's more than one skin color,

1963
02:09:47.760 --> 02:09:52.239
<v Speaker 2>there's more than one look. And then as she was

1964
02:09:52.319 --> 02:09:56.680
<v Speaker 2>quickly reminded she was making a fucking television show. So

1965
02:09:56.840 --> 02:09:59.199
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, you know, oh you have to

1966
02:09:59.279 --> 02:10:02.079
<v Speaker 2>watch your weight, Oh you need to look like this. Right,

1967
02:10:02.960 --> 02:10:05.119
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, five seconds ago you said, oh okay,

1968
02:10:05.159 --> 02:10:08.159
<v Speaker 2>and these girls are just gonna do whatever they are told.

1969
02:10:08.000 --> 02:10:10.319
<v Speaker 3>As children looked like they had not how a meal, and.

1970
02:10:11.199 --> 02:10:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Exactly like the PLU because I remember, like every season

1971
02:10:15.399 --> 02:10:18.000
<v Speaker 2>there's always one plus size model, at least one plus

1972
02:10:18.039 --> 02:10:24.600
<v Speaker 2>size model, and looking back, I'm like, she's plus size

1973
02:10:24.720 --> 02:10:31.760
<v Speaker 2>in that she's a size sex right, right, And that

1974
02:10:32.000 --> 02:10:33.840
<v Speaker 2>was fucked up because one of the girls was talking

1975
02:10:33.880 --> 02:10:36.359
<v Speaker 2>about and there was one plus size model that actually won,

1976
02:10:36.479 --> 02:10:38.119
<v Speaker 2>like far down the line when I had no longer

1977
02:10:38.159 --> 02:10:40.920
<v Speaker 2>been watching the show, and she was talking about how

1978
02:10:41.600 --> 02:10:45.600
<v Speaker 2>you know she's being uplifted, as like, you know, you're

1979
02:10:45.800 --> 02:10:47.399
<v Speaker 2>doing this for the big girls, and this for the

1980
02:10:47.439 --> 02:10:50.520
<v Speaker 2>plus size models. But yet nowhere they sent her had

1981
02:10:50.560 --> 02:10:56.479
<v Speaker 2>clothes that fit her, you know, of course, and all

1982
02:10:56.560 --> 02:10:59.079
<v Speaker 2>of these challenges and all of these things were basically

1983
02:10:59.159 --> 02:11:05.039
<v Speaker 2>designed to break these girls down and right, and one

1984
02:11:05.079 --> 02:11:09.760
<v Speaker 2>of the things that that like totally horrified me. Was

1985
02:11:10.239 --> 02:11:15.560
<v Speaker 2>cycle two. I remember watching in real time with everyone else.

1986
02:11:16.520 --> 02:11:21.000
<v Speaker 2>The storyline of the girls were sent to Milan and

1987
02:11:21.800 --> 02:11:24.000
<v Speaker 2>they had to go in their go sees, and so

1988
02:11:24.159 --> 02:11:27.159
<v Speaker 2>each of the girls was assigned an Italian man on

1989
02:11:27.239 --> 02:11:30.640
<v Speaker 2>a vespa to take them to their go sees, and

1990
02:11:30.800 --> 02:11:33.359
<v Speaker 2>so the challenge was they had to communicate with their

1991
02:11:33.399 --> 02:11:35.760
<v Speaker 2>guy because they didn't speak Italian and they didn't speak

1992
02:11:35.800 --> 02:11:37.359
<v Speaker 2>the guys didn't speak English, and they had to get

1993
02:11:37.359 --> 02:11:40.000
<v Speaker 2>to their go sees on time, and everything okay, fine.

1994
02:11:40.800 --> 02:11:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Then afterwards they come back to the house and oh, surprise, surprise,

1995
02:11:44.880 --> 02:11:48.039
<v Speaker 2>here's the guys again. And they're all like drinking and

1996
02:11:48.199 --> 02:11:50.199
<v Speaker 2>laughing and having a good time, and some of them

1997
02:11:50.239 --> 02:11:53.840
<v Speaker 2>are in the hot tub, and Shandy ends up like

1998
02:11:53.920 --> 02:11:56.159
<v Speaker 2>making out with one of the guys, and she has

1999
02:11:56.199 --> 02:12:00.239
<v Speaker 2>a boyfriend back in the States, and so you know,

2000
02:12:00.439 --> 02:12:03.239
<v Speaker 2>we're shown that, like you know, they hook up, they

2001
02:12:03.279 --> 02:12:08.399
<v Speaker 2>have sex, and then she starts freaking out because she

2002
02:12:08.600 --> 02:12:10.039
<v Speaker 2>cheated on her boyfriend.

2003
02:12:11.359 --> 02:12:13.039
<v Speaker 1>That that is how it was all framed.

2004
02:12:13.239 --> 02:12:17.520
<v Speaker 2>That's how I remember seeing her moral failing on the television. Yes, right,

2005
02:12:17.760 --> 02:12:21.319
<v Speaker 2>and she was a wreck for cheating on her boyfriend.

2006
02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:26.000
<v Speaker 2>She you know, called her boyfriend who handled it very badly,

2007
02:12:26.079 --> 02:12:28.439
<v Speaker 2>called her a fucking bitch and all this stuff when

2008
02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:33.800
<v Speaker 2>she broke down and told him that she cheated on him. Right,

2009
02:12:35.279 --> 02:12:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Come to find out, what ended up happening was she

2010
02:12:40.800 --> 02:12:43.079
<v Speaker 2>was sexually assaulted by this young man.

2011
02:12:43.760 --> 02:12:49.359
<v Speaker 1>It her account at this point is very different from

2012
02:12:49.880 --> 02:12:53.279
<v Speaker 1>what was their yet, right, and that she you know,

2013
02:12:54.000 --> 02:12:58.840
<v Speaker 1>and they filmed it all right, They kept filming copious

2014
02:12:58.880 --> 02:13:03.960
<v Speaker 1>amounts of alcohol and no food, right, and that she

2015
02:13:04.119 --> 02:13:07.920
<v Speaker 1>blacked out at some point and you know, in the

2016
02:13:08.000 --> 02:13:09.640
<v Speaker 1>hot time, she has no memory.

2017
02:13:09.760 --> 02:13:14.399
<v Speaker 2>She said, at one point, I could feel that sex

2018
02:13:14.560 --> 02:13:17.319
<v Speaker 2>was happening, but I wasn't aware of what.

2019
02:13:17.520 --> 02:13:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Was going on.

2020
02:13:18.439 --> 02:13:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's rape, yeah, period, oh yeah, And they filmed

2021
02:13:22.720 --> 02:13:27.199
<v Speaker 2>it right, so right, and I'm sitting here like, oh

2022
02:13:27.319 --> 02:13:33.159
<v Speaker 2>my god, oh my god, because a that's what happened

2023
02:13:33.199 --> 02:13:37.800
<v Speaker 2>to her, and be the way they framed it, because

2024
02:13:38.039 --> 02:13:39.840
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I remember being like, why is she

2025
02:13:40.039 --> 02:13:45.159
<v Speaker 2>like reacting so like this so dramatically over you know

2026
02:13:45.279 --> 02:13:47.079
<v Speaker 2>she hooked up with Because you know, I'm thinking, like,

2027
02:13:47.239 --> 02:13:49.840
<v Speaker 2>you're an eighteen year old girl, you're on top model,

2028
02:13:50.000 --> 02:13:52.640
<v Speaker 2>you're in Milan, you hooked up with it with an

2029
02:13:52.720 --> 02:13:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Italian dude after being in a photo shoot, like, okay,

2030
02:13:56.000 --> 02:13:59.399
<v Speaker 2>you cheated on your boyfriend. But girl, come on, now,

2031
02:13:59.479 --> 02:14:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I understand then that's not why she was upset. That's horrifying.

2032
02:14:04.319 --> 02:14:06.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, right, that was the story they were

2033
02:14:06.520 --> 02:14:08.279
<v Speaker 1>kind of almost telling her.

2034
02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:10.039
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't.

2035
02:14:10.600 --> 02:14:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was disturbing, right, because then Tyra comes in

2036
02:14:14.880 --> 02:14:16.520
<v Speaker 2>and has a little talk with all of them and

2037
02:14:16.640 --> 02:14:20.800
<v Speaker 2>she talks about cheating, and she talks to Shandy about

2038
02:14:20.880 --> 02:14:23.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, cheating and what that means and all this.

2039
02:14:23.960 --> 02:14:30.159
<v Speaker 2>It's like, which says to me that upon reviewing the footage,

2040
02:14:30.680 --> 02:14:32.359
<v Speaker 2>they had to find a way to spend this and

2041
02:14:32.439 --> 02:14:33.239
<v Speaker 2>make this a story.

2042
02:14:34.399 --> 02:14:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and maybe, I mean this is certainly you know

2043
02:14:40.520 --> 02:14:46.720
<v Speaker 1>pre me too for sure and sad. Yeah, just a

2044
02:14:46.840 --> 02:14:49.880
<v Speaker 1>sad indication of how things I think were and.

2045
02:14:50.000 --> 02:14:53.600
<v Speaker 2>To make it even worse. So, leading up to this,

2046
02:14:53.840 --> 02:14:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Tyro was talking about how in the beginning, you know,

2047
02:14:57.239 --> 02:15:00.760
<v Speaker 2>she's the executive producer, her and Ken, who has blood

2048
02:15:00.800 --> 02:15:04.079
<v Speaker 2>on his hands too. You know, they were doing everything

2049
02:15:04.199 --> 02:15:06.319
<v Speaker 2>and she was she was editing, she was in the

2050
02:15:06.479 --> 02:15:08.479
<v Speaker 2>editing booth, and she had her hands and all this

2051
02:15:08.600 --> 02:15:11.640
<v Speaker 2>stuff right in the creating a work.

2052
02:15:11.760 --> 02:15:15.520
<v Speaker 1>She said that after actually I think if I remember it,

2053
02:15:15.720 --> 02:15:18.760
<v Speaker 1>she was like, I was, that wasn't my department, and

2054
02:15:18.880 --> 02:15:20.840
<v Speaker 1>then it I believe it.

2055
02:15:21.640 --> 02:15:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Very shortly after that in the.

2056
02:15:23.000 --> 02:15:26.079
<v Speaker 1>Show she's saying, I learned to be a great editor. Well, right,

2057
02:15:26.199 --> 02:15:26.680
<v Speaker 1>which one?

2058
02:15:26.920 --> 02:15:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Thank you? Yeah, So when they asked her about Shandy

2059
02:15:30.359 --> 02:15:32.520
<v Speaker 2>and she was like, yeah, production is not really wasn't

2060
02:15:32.560 --> 02:15:35.520
<v Speaker 2>really part of my my you know, my purview. And

2061
02:15:35.600 --> 02:15:38.199
<v Speaker 2>it's like, first of all, it says before the show

2062
02:15:38.239 --> 02:15:42.119
<v Speaker 2>and after the show in big old letters, executive producer

2063
02:15:42.560 --> 02:15:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Tyra Banks, you're the one that's talking about how many,

2064
02:15:46.920 --> 02:15:49.600
<v Speaker 2>how many places you've got your hands on, so there's

2065
02:15:49.680 --> 02:15:51.640
<v Speaker 2>no way in the world. And I happen to know

2066
02:15:51.800 --> 02:15:55.760
<v Speaker 2>that the executive producer has, you know, seized the footage

2067
02:15:55.840 --> 02:16:00.319
<v Speaker 2>and has a hand in directing the storylines. So don't

2068
02:16:00.359 --> 02:16:07.000
<v Speaker 2>fucking tell me that you didn't know. So there's that,

2069
02:16:07.359 --> 02:16:12.279
<v Speaker 2>and then there's her treatment of the two J's j Manuel,

2070
02:16:12.880 --> 02:16:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Miss Jay Alexander and Nigel Barker aka the reasons I

2071
02:16:17.000 --> 02:16:20.880
<v Speaker 2>watched the fucking show in the first guy Dame and

2072
02:16:21.239 --> 02:16:24.159
<v Speaker 2>how you know they were like the dream team for

2073
02:16:24.960 --> 02:16:29.720
<v Speaker 2>however many seasons until you know, the network changed and

2074
02:16:30.800 --> 02:16:33.719
<v Speaker 2>she cut them loose and kept on looking. She just

2075
02:16:33.760 --> 02:16:34.840
<v Speaker 2>stepped over their bodies.

2076
02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you know, well that happened earlier with Jim and well,

2077
02:16:39.719 --> 02:16:44.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean like they ceased being friends. Yeah, you know

2078
02:16:44.399 --> 02:16:48.920
<v Speaker 1>for a long time in there because he wanted to leave. Yeah,

2079
02:16:49.559 --> 02:16:52.760
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it's it's messy.

2080
02:16:53.239 --> 02:16:54.280
<v Speaker 2>It's the whole thing.

2081
02:16:54.360 --> 02:16:56.399
<v Speaker 3>It's so messy, and.

2082
02:16:56.479 --> 02:17:00.639
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't get not messy, No, it just stays pretty messy.

2083
02:17:00.920 --> 02:17:04.520
<v Speaker 2>The most heart wrenching part for me was the part

2084
02:17:04.600 --> 02:17:07.879
<v Speaker 2>about Miss j who I want to point out like

2085
02:17:08.000 --> 02:17:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Miss Jay was and I didn't realize this until we

2086
02:17:11.559 --> 02:17:14.760
<v Speaker 2>were watching this documentary how influential Miss Jay was for

2087
02:17:14.959 --> 02:17:20.399
<v Speaker 2>me as a queer person, Like Miss Jay showed me that,

2088
02:17:21.079 --> 02:17:25.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, being fluid in one's wardrobe is perfectly acceptable,

2089
02:17:25.440 --> 02:17:26.760
<v Speaker 2>sure you know.

2090
02:17:27.120 --> 02:17:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Or possible right right without apology, possible right exactly.

2091
02:17:34.639 --> 02:17:39.079
<v Speaker 2>That unapologeticness is what I definitely loved about Miss Jay.

2092
02:17:39.200 --> 02:17:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh of course, what did I say? I hope she

2093
02:17:41.760 --> 02:17:44.840
<v Speaker 2>don't never play poker because that face just tells you everything.

2094
02:17:47.639 --> 02:17:51.319
<v Speaker 3>And in Braille as well, thank you, thank you.

2095
02:17:52.639 --> 02:17:56.159
<v Speaker 2>She And she's the one that taught Tyra how to

2096
02:17:56.360 --> 02:18:01.520
<v Speaker 2>walk when she was sixteen, and countless other models taught

2097
02:18:01.559 --> 02:18:06.000
<v Speaker 2>them how to walk, and you know, come to find

2098
02:18:06.040 --> 02:18:09.600
<v Speaker 2>out that Miss Jay had a stroke what was a

2099
02:18:09.680 --> 02:18:14.399
<v Speaker 2>year ago? Okay, a few years ago, we're talking about

2100
02:18:14.399 --> 02:18:18.479
<v Speaker 2>four years and couldn't walk. That took me out. And

2101
02:18:18.719 --> 02:18:22.399
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you know, j Manuel and and and

2102
02:18:22.840 --> 02:18:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Nigel visited a couple of times and like they kept

2103
02:18:28.079 --> 02:18:30.760
<v Speaker 2>in touch and made sure that Miss Jay was okay,

2104
02:18:31.440 --> 02:18:36.399
<v Speaker 2>and Tyra sent a text once yeah, and never came

2105
02:18:36.479 --> 02:18:42.360
<v Speaker 2>to visit. Yeah, you know, right, Like I was sitting

2106
02:18:42.399 --> 02:18:44.520
<v Speaker 2>there crying on that just just for the simple fact

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<v Speaker 2>that like you were the walk and then you couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>walk right, and and it meant so much to her, right,

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<v Speaker 2>not one visit. And it was crazy because like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I watched I watched the show in real time up

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<v Speaker 2>until like off way through season three, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>just fell off just because I didn't have the time

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<v Speaker 2>to dedicate to a show. I never did so and

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<v Speaker 2>so so much of it like escape me. But I

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<v Speaker 2>would hear tidbits about what was going on, like the

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<v Speaker 2>one girl who she had a gap in her teeth

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<v Speaker 2>and like Tyra fought with her about closing the gap.

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<v Speaker 1>That fucked me because right, the black girl, yes, was

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<v Speaker 1>basically you want to you want to let us alter

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<v Speaker 1>your appearance and close that gap or do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to go home?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Was kind of like they bullied her into it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then how many seasons later they gave some white girl. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be like, just like Lauren Hutton, what the actual fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Right not to mention you're putting these girls through like surgery?

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<v Speaker 2>Basically that was insane to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like how is it unacceptable? For one? And I

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<v Speaker 3>thought she right?

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<v Speaker 2>She did, she was fine, She looked fabulous with that gas,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was, you know, it's insanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was crazy watching them, you know, defend both

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<v Speaker 1>positions when you put it all together like this all it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, condense it all some crazy shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And we just as a culture, we just lapped

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<v Speaker 2>that ship on up and.

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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't have existed as long as it did without an

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<v Speaker 1>audience exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how we got the Kardashians, and that's how

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<v Speaker 2>we got like all of these shows, these vapid ass shows,

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<v Speaker 2>where like we got to be as crazy as possible

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<v Speaker 2>to keep eyes on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's some tea watch. If you haven't yet watched

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<v Speaker 2>Reality Check, it is some tea, right, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>crazy and.

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<v Speaker 3>Who yes, it was a break from I'm now on Chicago.

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<v Speaker 2>Fire season eleven, twelve eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, that's been my happy place. I live

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<v Speaker 3>in Dick Wolf's world for real, though, I think I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what else to say other than we

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<v Speaker 1>should probably do podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's do that because show. If you haven't already,

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<v Speaker 2>Over at the Patreon, you can also check out our

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<v Speaker 3>Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Business over. Get that out of the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I made dinner. Yay, you know we can

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<v Speaker 3>go eat. I baked your bread. I bake you bread.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true, you do, I do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I baked this fucking dog treats homemade dog treat

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Martha.

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<v Speaker 3>It is apparently apparently. So yeah, let's go have dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I need to get back into Dick Wolfe's world.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's cozy there.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>You have been listening to Full Circle the Podcast. I

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<v Speaker 1>am your host, Martha Madrigal, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I am your host Charles Tyson Jr.

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<v Speaker 3>And we appreciate you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks again, bye everyone. Full Circle is a Never Scurred

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<v Speaker 2>Productions podcast hosted by Charles Tyson Junior and Martha Madrigal,

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<v Speaker 2>Produced and edited by Never Scurred Executive Produced by Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Tyson Junior and Martha Madrigal. Our theme in music is

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