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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Full Circle Table. Hi baby, Hi, how
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good?
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 1: Hi?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm here.
Speaker 1: Word, I'm still here. That which aggravates the shit out
Speaker 1: of some people, so love it. There we go, Existence
Speaker 1: as Resistance.
Speaker 2: That part, yeah, live full color and uppity as hail. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3: So what's going on with you? I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 2: I am like as full into my new job is
Speaker 2: as ever. I'm like supervising up a storm. There you go,
Speaker 2: making choices and decisions.
Speaker 1: And just managing, which means that I'm so tired all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: I busy.
Speaker 2: It's it's it feels different being busy at work.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, there you go. I'm a fan. Well, good. Good.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Audrey three, and she needs pruning or something.
Speaker 1: The giant plant in our dining room. She's outgrowing her space.
Speaker 2: She's into the side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I need yet another piece of bamboo
Speaker 1: or something, or I need to retie her growth. Autrey
Speaker 1: is large.
Speaker 2: And in charge, chunky yet funky. Oh wait, that's literce.
Speaker 1: Yeah she's big and healthy.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And if we like untethered her from the bamboo and whatnot, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she wouldn't be able to fit in this room, or
Speaker 2: at least not with us.
Speaker 1: No, right, I have to I have to call our
Speaker 1: friend planty mame and see how one prunes whatever the
Speaker 1: hell this is.
Speaker 3: Whatever kind of tree this is, I.
Speaker 2: Believe it is referred to as a big ass tree.
Speaker 3: That's a big as tree.
Speaker 1: And there's probably a way to, you know, take clippings
Speaker 1: and start new plants or something. I just don't know
Speaker 1: how to do that. But yeah, she needs some downsizing anyway,
Speaker 1: that's what's up. The plant needs to be made smaller.
Speaker 1: I'm nursing a cold, but I'm.
Speaker 2: Here the cold that I'm afraid I gave to you.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty anyway. Anyway, that's that's how exciting life is
Speaker 1: here inside the house. Outside the house, the world is
Speaker 1: coming mad exactly.
Speaker 2: So it's actually good that our existence is what it is.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there needs to be calm.
Speaker 2: Somewhere somewhere in this month.
Speaker 1: So people died, Yeah, we lost some notable folks.
Speaker 2: James Vanderbeek passed away last week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a surprise. He was forty eight.
Speaker 2: I know, well, he had been battling cancer for a while.
Speaker 2: I remember reading about his health concerns a little while ago.
Speaker 2: So but still, when he died, I was like, well, damn.
Speaker 2: He was living with stage three colorectal cancer, announced November
Speaker 2: of last year. No, I'm sorry November of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: and he battled as long as he could.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He leaves behind six children that I didn't know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was most famously known for Dawson's Creek, which I
Speaker 2: never watched.
Speaker 1: But I never did either, I know people did.
Speaker 2: It was a beloved show. I was not the demographic
Speaker 2: for that show.
Speaker 3: No, no, who was.
Speaker 2: I wasn't a teenage white girl.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go, okay. It was a nighttime teen
Speaker 1: soap opera on the WB Yes from nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 1: until two thousand and three.
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was also in movies like Varsity Blues, Texas Rangers,
Speaker 1: The Rules of Attraction, a contestant on Dancing with the Stars, Oh,
Speaker 1: Rules of Attraction twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: He played.
Speaker 2: He played the jock that the Bye main character had
Speaker 2: a crush on. Okay, okay, I saw something he was in.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well he has gone at forty eight.
Speaker 2: Which is very young.
Speaker 3: No kidding, no kidding. Robert Tuvall, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Robert Duval died the day after Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ninety five years old. One of the greats in
Speaker 1: terms of acting, for sure, Right, make that distinction, right,
Speaker 1: The Godfather trilogy, right, or or at least the first two.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Concilieri.
Speaker 2: Concilieri, Yeah, he had.
Speaker 1: He was a conservative, notably a conservative, although it seems
Speaker 1: he's been quiet about Trump. From from what I've read,
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't have much to say in terms
Speaker 1: or anything I think to say in terms of Trump.
Speaker 1: So maybe he parted ways there. I don't know, But
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, many famous roles, many many famous.
Speaker 2: Roles, right, I mean, he wasn't actively a problem.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll give him that, But you know of
Speaker 1: one of Hollywood's leading men, and also very often not
Speaker 1: the leading man, you know, like the second lead, like
Speaker 1: he was, you know, right, so he got juicier roles
Speaker 1: sometimes than the star right, supporting, Yeah, supporting actor quite
Speaker 1: often the one that.
Speaker 2: Really hit Jesse Jackson.
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson, Yeah, died at eighty four. It's it's hard
Speaker 1: to imagine the world without.
Speaker 3: Him, is it.
Speaker 2: Jesse Jackson is another one of those people that was
Speaker 2: always there my entire.
Speaker 1: Life, right, exactly mine too, you know, I am somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, the Rainbow Coalition, the Rainbow Coalition.
Speaker 2: He was right there when MLKA was shot.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was.
Speaker 2: For a good long while, especially in the nineties. He
Speaker 2: and Al Sharpton were synonymous with a swift reaction to
Speaker 2: racial injustice. Like if you fuck up, Jesse and Al
Speaker 2: were out front the front of your house with a bullhorn,
Speaker 2: one or both, right, usually both, it was either Al
Speaker 2: or Alan.
Speaker 3: Jesse.
Speaker 1: Back in twenty seventeen, he did announce that he had
Speaker 1: Parkinson's disease.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He picked up the mantle of doctor King and for
Speaker 1: president twice. Yeah, long before Obama was elected in eight
Speaker 1: never achieved either the commanding moral stature of doctor King
Speaker 1: or the ultimate political time of Obama. Through the power
Speaker 1: of his language and his pre ter natural energy, what
Speaker 1: does that word meant?
Speaker 2: Like more than human?
Speaker 1: Okay, an ambition. He became a moral and political force
Speaker 1: in a racially ambiguous era when Jim Crow is still
Speaker 1: a vivid memory and black political power more an aspiration
Speaker 1: than a reality.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesse was a little too fiery for the presidency.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't believe that, but you know that
Speaker 2: appears to be the case. Whereas you know, everyone likes
Speaker 2: to attribute nonviolence in peace with Martin Luther King, Jesse
Speaker 2: was like, fuck are you doing basically, except he would
Speaker 2: never actually say those words.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He gave the Democratic He spoke of the Democratic National
Speaker 1: Convention in San Francisco in nineteen eighty four. He said,
Speaker 1: my constituency is the desperate, the damned, the disinherited, the disrespected,
Speaker 1: and the despised. They are restless and seek relief.
Speaker 2: His was a very powerful voice literally and spiritually for
Speaker 2: the struggle for the people. And it's crazy to think
Speaker 2: of the fact that he's not around. You know, he
Speaker 2: inspired so many powerful movements like Black Lives Matter. You know,
Speaker 2: was inspired by his work, his words.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, It's just crazy. Yeah, I'm just leaping through
Speaker 3: his obituary the New York Times. Yeah.
Speaker 1: His early work was, you know, alongside of doctor King
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties or at the same time.
Speaker 3: How about that.
Speaker 2: I just love like he had such uh clear cadence
Speaker 2: when he spoke. Absolutely, my main focus is clarity and positivity. Yeah,
Speaker 2: love him, loved him my entire life. He was synonymous
Speaker 2: with accountability, with having the courage of your convictions, with
Speaker 2: mobilizing the people, you know, just being a leader.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He has been well known, and his name has been
Speaker 1: you know, on the lips of many, for good or
Speaker 1: or not so good, you know, depending right, for decades,
Speaker 1: for my entire life. Yeah. So yeah, Rest in power,
Speaker 1: Rest in power, Jessa Jackson.
Speaker 3: Also I've read today. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Isaiah Zegar, Yeah, died at eighty six. He was the
Speaker 1: founder of Magic Gardens on South Street in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: Yes, one of.
Speaker 1: A very famous mosaic muralist.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's actually a very good way of describing mosaic muralist. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's a very specific and immediately recognizable style, and examples
Speaker 2: of it are all over Philadelphia. Sure, it's like pieces
Speaker 2: of intentionally broken and arranged mirror glass and collared glass tile. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and if you walk around Philadelphia you will see examples
Speaker 2: of his work. My favorite piece of his work is
Speaker 2: unfortunately no longer there. It was on the side of
Speaker 2: the facade of the Painted the original Painted Bride Art
Speaker 2: Center location in Old City Second.
Speaker 3: And Vine recently torn down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they gentrified the area, took over the building, turned
Speaker 2: it into a into condos. They are or they are
Speaker 2: and they they like they were going to just demolish it,
Speaker 2: but art preservationists like got there and like removed it
Speaker 2: as painstakingly as they could to keep it intact, to
Speaker 2: at least preserve it.
Speaker 1: As much as possible. Right, But because that was that
Speaker 1: was a cool space, iconic and that was his.
Speaker 3: Work, I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well known, Yeah, certainly, you know, a
Speaker 1: approachable public art exactly.
Speaker 2: And the Magic Gardens is definitely the biggest example of
Speaker 2: his work, I think, on South Street, and that space
Speaker 2: has been very popular location for decades. People have gotten
Speaker 2: married there, There've been performances there. It's essentially a museum
Speaker 2: art attraction.
Speaker 1: So yep, so an icon in Philadelphia. So you had
Speaker 1: put this article from the Washington Blade. You had flagged it.
Speaker 1: It's actually from February seventh, so it's it's been out
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks for discussion, So I thought
Speaker 1: it because it's it's neither good news nor nonsense, but
Speaker 1: it is an interesting piece written by a trans journalist,
Speaker 1: Isaac why trans suffering is more palatable than transambition. So
Speaker 1: much of this resonated with me. Yeah, like so much.
Speaker 1: As I'm reading this article, I'm like, uh huh been there?
Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh right, and what did you say?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I was reading the article, the story, and in my
Speaker 2: head I kept swapping out transperson for black person, and
Speaker 2: it read the same. You know, basically, it's a lot
Speaker 2: easier to stomach the existence of people when you can
Speaker 2: pity them or look at them and go, you're so brave,
Speaker 2: you know. But once you get to I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: up aity, Like, once you're in a space where you
Speaker 2: are working to word success, you have ambition, you have
Speaker 2: the means and the power to be upwardly mobile. Then
Speaker 2: you become dangerous. That's when you become like there's skepticism,
Speaker 2: there's criticism, and it's immediately like, you know, you're reaching
Speaker 2: too far, too fast.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting that you made the connection,
Speaker 1: because I did too as I was reading it. You know,
Speaker 1: it opens and the current media and political climates. Stories
Speaker 1: of trans suffering move quickly, stories of trans ambition do
Speaker 1: not rite. A trans teenager denied healthcare, a trans woman
Speaker 1: attacked on public transit, a trans man struggling with homelessness.
Speaker 1: These narratives circulate widely, often accompanied by solemn op eds,
Speaker 1: viral posts, and carefully worded statements of concern. The pain
Speaker 1: is real, the coverage is necessary, but there is a
Speaker 1: quieter pattern beneath it. Trans people are most readily accepted
Speaker 1: when they are framed as victims, and most resisted when
Speaker 1: they present themselves as agents with desire, confidence and upward momentum.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And a big part of that is like people
Speaker 2: view rights as pie and if you get a slice,
Speaker 2: then that leaves less for them, which is not true.
Speaker 1: Well, and you know, sympathy is something you get to bestow, right, right,
Speaker 1: But if I'm taking up all the space I intend to,
Speaker 1: oh wait, you're not the one giving it to me.
Speaker 1: You're not the one, you know, codifying my existence, right,
Speaker 1: and that does not sit well with a lot of people.
Speaker 3: It doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's like, if I'm not giving you charity, who the
Speaker 1: fuck are you?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: How dare you right? How dare you think that you
Speaker 1: belong at my table?
Speaker 3: Right? M h.
Speaker 1: The reason suffering travels more easily is not mysterious. Pain
Speaker 1: reassures the audience. It positions trans people as recipients of
Speaker 1: concern rather than participants in competition. A suffering subject does
Speaker 1: not threaten status hierarchies, they confirm them. Sympathy can be
Speaker 1: extended without requiring a recalibration of power, space, or expectations.
Speaker 1: In this framing, acceptance remains conditional and charitable. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so much went through my mind. I was I was
Speaker 1: picturing you know, black men who weren't allowed to have
Speaker 1: a sexuality actors in you know, for so long, right
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, Sidney, right, you know, because we couldn't think
Speaker 1: of them in that regard because that was too threatening, right,
Speaker 1: And this is true. You know, so often we are
Speaker 1: just not at the table in so many of the
Speaker 1: discussions about us, you know, and everyone's not so excited
Speaker 1: when we're not begging, right, right, when we're not just victims, right,
Speaker 1: when we have the audacity to live and be happy
Speaker 1: and insist on joy and autonomy and a voice. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about it? Yeah, ambition implies permanence, It implies entitlement.
Speaker 1: It implies that trans people are not passing through society's margins,
Speaker 1: but intend to occupy its center alongside everyone else. You
Speaker 1: can see this discomfort play out in real time. When
Speaker 1: trans people speak about wanting success rather than safety, the
Speaker 1: response often shifts. Confidence is scrutinized, Assertiveness is reframed as arrogance,
Speaker 1: Desire is recoded as delusion. The language changes quickly unstable, narcissistic,
Speaker 1: out of touch, ungrateful.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was what made me think of how
Speaker 2: folks look at black people too.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. In public discourse, confidence and trans people is
Speaker 1: frequently treated not as a strength but as a warning sign.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, that word ungrateful.
Speaker 2: That tends to happen when an individual has received a
Speaker 2: certain level of success, popularity, access, and they make people
Speaker 2: happy and smile around them. But if they have an
Speaker 2: opinion and express that opinion, even if it is a
Speaker 2: popular opinion, then all of a sudden, oh, you need
Speaker 2: to just stick to whatever it is that you're here
Speaker 2: for and be grateful that you're allowed to have that opportunity.
Speaker 1: Success is framed as overcoming transness rather than inhabiting it.
Speaker 3: I don't see color.
Speaker 1: That's in my mind, right right, let's think about that,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, success is framed is overcoming
Speaker 1: race rather than inhabiting it, overcoming blackness rather than in habiting.
Speaker 1: The narratives are all about otherness. It's all about you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's another ring of a different name, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, you're right, it's so interchangeable in so many ways.
Speaker 2: Right like, And while there are a lot more easily identifiable,
Speaker 2: I guess examples of black power and success, the criticism
Speaker 2: is just as swift and is exactly the same when
Speaker 2: a again, you get to uppity and you start expressing
Speaker 2: your opinions and making criticisms.
Speaker 1: A trans person can be praised for resilience, but rarely
Speaker 1: for dominance, excellence or command rally gains. Achievement must be softened, contextualized,
Speaker 1: and made reassuring. This is especially visible and cultural reactions
Speaker 1: to trans people who refuse modesty, transfigures who express sexual confidence,
Speaker 1: professional competitiveness, or political authority routinely face backlash that their
Speaker 1: CIS counterparts do not. They are accused of being too much,
Speaker 1: of asking for too much space honey, of wanting too
Speaker 1: much too fast. The underlying anxiety is not about tone.
Speaker 1: It is about proximity, ambition collapses, the safe distance between
Speaker 1: observer and observe.
Speaker 2: And that's an interesting point because I was sitting here thinking,
Speaker 2: like CIS women that own their.
Speaker 1: Sexuality, same thing, Oh women again, this was interchangeable with women,
Speaker 1: as so much of it.
Speaker 2: That don't get don't are still like villified. Like. The
Speaker 2: first example that comes to mind is making the Stallion
Speaker 2: and Cardi B when WAP came out and everyone's in
Speaker 2: my acting like it was the downfall of society and
Speaker 2: sodom and Gamore revisited. Meanwhile, all I saw was two
Speaker 2: artists who were making all the money, doing the same
Speaker 2: shit men have been doing for decades, except there wasn't
Speaker 2: a man in the way taking like, taking away the
Speaker 2: shine and the money. I was living for the.
Speaker 3: Right their existence was.
Speaker 2: I love that so right now?
Speaker 1: Right trans people are encouraged to be grateful rather than
Speaker 1: oh God, yes, rather than demanding visible rather than powerful,
Speaker 1: resilient rather than authoritative, even within progressive spaces.
Speaker 3: Yes, lord, there.
Speaker 1: Is often an unspoken expectation that trans people justify their
Speaker 1: presence through pain rather than through competence or vision. Right,
Speaker 1: this is not liberation, it is containment.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, when you see a trans person in a place
Speaker 2: of authority, in particular trans women, in pa articular black
Speaker 2: trans woman, it's like, y'all shouldn't have to wear your
Speaker 2: pain and your struggle on your sleeve, because the fact
Speaker 2: that you were in the spot that you are shows
Speaker 2: you had to go through some shit to get here.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 2: So just take it as a given and don't fuck
Speaker 2: with y'all. But you know that's common sense and ship
Speaker 2: So I already lost people.
Speaker 1: A society that can tolerate trans suffering but recoils at
Speaker 1: transambition is not offering equality. It is managing discomfort. It
Speaker 1: is willing to mourn trans deaths but uneasy about transdominance,
Speaker 1: trans leadership, or transdesire. That does not ask permission. It
Speaker 1: prefers trans people as evidence of harm rather than as
Speaker 1: evidence of possibility. Right, Wanting more than survival is not ingratitude.
Speaker 1: It is the baseline condition citizenship.
Speaker 2: Yes, damn it, Yes, right.
Speaker 1: Powerful peace powerful piece because I've read so much of
Speaker 1: my own experience in it, you know, of being upity,
Speaker 1: being told to watch my face, being told to watch
Speaker 1: my tone, you know, in meetings, being called aggressive because
Speaker 1: I was assertive because I knew what I was talking about.
Speaker 1: It was not ever, at least in the workplace, framed charitably, right,
Speaker 1: mind your face.
Speaker 2: The question is never why are you so fragile that
Speaker 2: you're shrinking away from a tone?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think my biggest mistake in my previous workplace was
Speaker 1: I stopped caring about that. I cared very much about
Speaker 1: my work, very much about my clients, very much about
Speaker 1: the quality of what I was doing. But I stopped
Speaker 1: giving a shit that my boss behaved in securely, accused
Speaker 1: me of things that weren't happening, accused me, you know,
Speaker 1: tone policing all the time. I stopped paying attention to
Speaker 1: that because it was unnerving and there was nothing. It
Speaker 1: was a lose lose situation, you know. So I just
Speaker 1: focused on my work and not the politics of an
Speaker 1: insecure woman. And it was my downfall there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you moved in a way that she couldn't begin
Speaker 2: to do herself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh yeah, And I could see it. You know,
Speaker 1: I could hear it in the words in the language,
Speaker 1: and you know, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like she didn't know how to grow to meet you,
Speaker 2: so she wanted you to shrink to meet her.
Speaker 1: Kind of right, right. She was much more comfortable when
Speaker 1: she was extending charity to me. Yeah, when she was
Speaker 1: you know, taking care of me, because there was a time,
Speaker 1: you know, early in my career where she was just
Speaker 1: a mentor and a champion. And that changed, you know,
Speaker 1: And the more competent I became at my job, the
Speaker 1: more she was looking for any little flaw.
Speaker 3: It was such a.
Speaker 1: Guess, lady experience, the whole thing. But yes, and so
Speaker 1: much of it resonated in this article, and we're suffering
Speaker 1: is more palatable, you know. And those are the narratives
Speaker 1: that you know, I have tried to put aside in
Speaker 1: the work that I do. And and you know, and
Speaker 1: let's not twist it. My work is focused with trans people,
Speaker 1: not so much with SI people, right. You know, y'all
Speaker 1: are onlookers, but it's focused on you know, really trying
Speaker 1: to help trans people understand that they have enormous value
Speaker 1: and there's nothing to apologize.
Speaker 3: For, damn it.
Speaker 1: And they get to take up space, yep. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's important. I think it's important for us
Speaker 1: to know that and see that. And it's not always
Speaker 1: a popular stance. I mean, I see trans people apologizing
Speaker 1: for existing all the time. Oh honey, you do not
Speaker 1: speak for all of us, you know, but so much
Speaker 1: of that, you know. That's why there are those tired
Speaker 1: old things of like being born in the wrong body.
Speaker 1: I wasn't born in the wrong body. I was born
Speaker 1: in this body, right, you know, it's my body. Does
Speaker 1: it fit society's ideals?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Right now they want to tell me what I am
Speaker 1: based on biology. And I thought feminism the entire point
Speaker 1: was that we are more than our biology, right, you know,
Speaker 1: And and spiritualism and Christianity and all of that says that,
Speaker 1: you know, we are our souls, not our bodies, not
Speaker 1: our flesh.
Speaker 3: But we're so much more than that.
Speaker 1: And yet this current narrative among Christian alleged Christians is
Speaker 1: that we're nothing more than you know, the meat suit,
Speaker 1: whether it has an any or an audi and that's
Speaker 1: how that forever determines us. And that is not how
Speaker 1: this all works at all.
Speaker 2: It doesn't even actually make sense if you think about it.
Speaker 1: It never has it never will, right, you know, That's
Speaker 1: why I spend time with families. That's why I spend
Speaker 1: time educating family, you know, parents and loved ones. That's
Speaker 1: why I spend you know, intimate time with or you know,
Speaker 1: private time, personal time with trans people to let them
Speaker 1: know that they matter. Because too many this is the
Speaker 1: narrative that we live under. And you know, as it
Speaker 1: keeps escalating, and we're going to see that. We have
Speaker 1: an article about the Heritage Foundation and their ugly, ugly
Speaker 1: ugliness because they're getting more and more brazen and open
Speaker 1: about it to talk about today. But you know, in
Speaker 1: the face of all of that, our problem, more than that,
Speaker 1: in some ways are the Democrats, and we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about that too, you know, the people who are
Speaker 1: ostensibly on our side, who say, but you probably shouldn't
Speaker 1: be playing sports, or but you shouldn't really be in
Speaker 1: that locker room, but maybe the bathroom thing hit, but
Speaker 1: maybe you should mind your god damn business well, and
Speaker 1: maybe you're taking little pieces of lies and saying that
Speaker 1: seems to make sense even though it doesn't right, even
Speaker 1: though it's not what's true, you know, and we're seeing
Speaker 1: it all play out with such volume and intensity. You know,
Speaker 1: the pedophiles are being exposed left, right and sideways, and
Speaker 1: yet they they're pointing harder and harder at us, like,
Speaker 1: don't look over here where it's actually happening, where your
Speaker 1: children are actually unsafe. Right, But trans people, you know.
Speaker 3: What we have?
Speaker 1: We had a I believe, a trans identified shooter. What
Speaker 1: third one ever?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 1: And we've got folks talk about how trans people shouldn't
Speaker 1: have guns. Suddenly that's the solution to gun violence. Oh
Speaker 1: so if we're going by to take away the guns,
Speaker 1: how many white men need to be disarmed? Thank you?
Speaker 1: But that was never the answer when it was sis
Speaker 1: white man.
Speaker 2: I believe the phrase is not as much fun when
Speaker 2: the rabbit has the gun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about it?
Speaker 1: Anyway? All of that and more in this episode A
Speaker 1: full circle the podcast. Why don't we take a break
Speaker 1: on that note and we'll come back with good news.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: How about good news? Yes, lawd Democrats have reintroduced the
Speaker 1: Trans Bill of Rights in Congress as a moral commitment
Speaker 1: to trans people. The effort is being led by Senator
Speaker 1: Ed Markey and Representative Promila Jayapal, Democrat from Washington, who
Speaker 1: is the parent of a transgender child. Democrats in both
Speaker 1: the House and Senate have reintroduced the Transgender Bill of Rights,
Speaker 1: calling on the federal government to codify the rights of
Speaker 1: transgender and non binary people under the law and ensure
Speaker 1: their access to medical care, shelter, safety, and economic security.
Speaker 1: The effort is again being led by those two and
Speaker 1: they also introduced the trans Bill of Rights back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. We are laying out a comprehensive vision
Speaker 1: to provide protections for transgender and non binary people, a
Speaker 1: vision that ensures that every single person has a chance
Speaker 1: to thrive. That was a Jayapal a press conference announcing
Speaker 1: the bill's reintroduction. A vision that says, you are us,
Speaker 1: you belong, and you are worthy the same rights as
Speaker 1: everyone else. That'd be nice, right. This bill supports amending
Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Act to ensure that trans people have
Speaker 1: the same rights and protections as all other Americans. It
Speaker 1: creates a level playing field where trans people no longer
Speaker 1: have to fight tooth and nail to get the same
Speaker 1: treatment as their cisgender friends. Great, that'd be nice, right.
Speaker 1: Trans rights are human rights and they must be protected
Speaker 1: every single day of every single year, and we stand
Speaker 1: together in solidarity with the trans community and with others,
Speaker 1: with those who fight for those rights. Yeah, too often
Speaker 1: left behind by a system that refuses to recognize their humanity.
Speaker 3: This is Marquis.
Speaker 1: We are here today to ensure that every trans and
Speaker 1: gender diverse person in America can live freely and safely
Speaker 1: and authentically. That's what the Trans Bill of Rights is
Speaker 1: all about. That'd be great, really great. Probably doesn't happen
Speaker 1: until they have a majority, but you know what, thanks
Speaker 1: for bringing it back up. It also points out several
Speaker 1: courts have correctly concluded that discrimination against transgender people because
Speaker 1: of their sex and gender identity violates Title nine, and
Speaker 1: despite these protections, trans people still face outsized discrimination in
Speaker 1: every area of life.
Speaker 3: That is true.
Speaker 1: We are louder, we are stronger, and we are not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. We are in this fight for the long term.
Speaker 1: You know, well, we're here and we're not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, like, not going to stop being trance to
Speaker 1: make it more convenient for y'all. Sorry, it's not going
Speaker 1: to happen, nor should it. Yeah, so they brought it
Speaker 1: back up. Good timing. Hopefully they wind up with a
Speaker 1: majority soon and you know they can actually do something
Speaker 1: about it. But still, I had to see it being
Speaker 1: brought back, being talked about, and that's probably where it'll die,
Speaker 1: but for now, because you know, the ones in charge.
Speaker 3: Aside what gets rotted on.
Speaker 1: Well, this has been an ongoing interesting story about you know,
Speaker 1: Trump and his you know way overreach, which Republicans suddenly celebrate.
Speaker 1: They didn't used to. They used to, they used to
Speaker 1: cry about government overreach and it was always the purview
Speaker 1: of the Democrats. But you know, now it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: tough guidness or some shit anyway, in the consistent overreach
Speaker 1: and obfuscation of what's really good.
Speaker 2: His battle against symbols.
Speaker 1: Yes, his battle against symbols and diversity. Rainbow flags were
Speaker 1: removed from the Stonewall National Monument and they, uh, there
Speaker 1: was a defiant re raising ceremony and their right back.
Speaker 2: Up right because why, how the fuck do you think
Speaker 2: you can do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the monument is right across from the stone Wall
Speaker 1: in right there at Christopher Street, right off of Sheridan Square,
Speaker 1: and they tried to take the rainbow flags down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, just like he ordered the slavery monuments taken
Speaker 2: down in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going back up too.
Speaker 2: They're going back up because you can't do that.
Speaker 1: Sara here's hoping. Yeah, this is such bullshit and it's
Speaker 1: such a diversion. O shit, it's nothing but hatred. It's
Speaker 1: nothing but bullshit.
Speaker 3: It's not like.
Speaker 1: These are the priorities you have for America.
Speaker 2: Right. We can't make the people go away, so we'll
Speaker 2: make the things that mention the people go away. As
Speaker 2: if that's the same thing. Yeah, fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: They took it down. Activists and elected officials defied the
Speaker 1: Trump administration and reinstalled the flag in front of a
Speaker 1: massive crowd. The flag blew in the wind on a
Speaker 1: sunny Friday afternoon in February thirteenth, as visitors roamed Christopher Park,
Speaker 1: snapped pictures of the flagpole and paused to reflect on
Speaker 1: what had been a whall wind week following the Trump
Speaker 1: Administration's removal of the Pride flag on February ninth. The
Speaker 1: calmer atmosphere was a far cry from the frenz you'd
Speaker 1: seen the day before when activists hoisted the flag and
Speaker 1: drew roaring cheers from the crowd. Do they not know
Speaker 1: what happened there?
Speaker 2: For real?
Speaker 1: Do they not know? We know how to make a fuss.
Speaker 2: And by make of fuss we mean cop cars on.
Speaker 1: Fire, yeah exactly, and trash cans, shot glasses as weapons.
Speaker 1: There were no bricks, people, but shotglasses as weapons yeah, bottles, cans, yeah,
Speaker 1: anything we can pick up and throw.
Speaker 2: Ugh. The only bricks at Stonewall were the drag queens
Speaker 2: whose makeups skills weren't up to enough.
Speaker 3: O that was cold. Uh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Trump administration's Department of Interior criticized the reinstallation of
Speaker 1: the flags, telling Gay City News it was a political stunt. No, bitches,
Speaker 1: your shit is a political stunt, and of course, their
Speaker 1: spokesperson did not immediately respond to a question about whether
Speaker 1: the federal government would keep the flag in place. This
Speaker 1: can be ongoing, you know, it's it's ridiculous. It is
Speaker 1: a ridiculous fight that they are not ultimately gonna win. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 2: Diversion exactly, And it's an obvious diversion.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But you are not gonna find with Christopher Park Nope,
Speaker 1: you're not.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, we have things like Representative elin Omar saying things
Speaker 2: like there used to be a time when when pedophiles
Speaker 2: were put to death, and then Republicans countered that with
Speaker 2: saying that she's talking about publicly executing the president. She
Speaker 2: didn't name a name.
Speaker 1: You did that, Yeah, you all just did that.
Speaker 2: But sure, let's go after pride flags.
Speaker 3: Right right.
Speaker 1: You all just made that connection on your own.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, uh huh.
Speaker 1: They tell on themselves. They're so consistent, just so stupid.
Speaker 3: Pitch.
Speaker 2: We can see you, We can see you.
Speaker 1: A gay Democrat Clapbard, a GOP opponent, and a special
Speaker 1: election a gay former New York City council member Eric Baucher.
Speaker 1: Clawbard his Republican opponent in a recent special election for
Speaker 1: New York State senator last week and already cast his
Speaker 1: first vote with eighty eight percent of the counted. He
Speaker 1: defeated Charlotte Friedman, receiving ninety one point eight percent of
Speaker 1: the vote to her seven point five Damn yeah. Freedman's
Speaker 1: campaign website advocates for fighting socialism, eradicating anti Semitism, and
Speaker 1: ensuring illegal aliens.
Speaker 3: Are removed promptly.
Speaker 1: Tonight, the people of the forty seventh District made a
Speaker 1: clear choice for progress, integrity, and leadership that shows up
Speaker 1: I'm deeply grateful to every voter, volunteer, a neighbor who
Speaker 1: believed that government should work harder for working families. And
Speaker 1: I'm excited to get to work.
Speaker 2: O RK and E RK.
Speaker 1: What oh oh oh, both versions.
Speaker 3: Of work got it.
Speaker 1: He did represent Manhattan's third City Council District from twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two until now, and was term limited from running
Speaker 1: again there. He represents a large career constituency in Chelsea,
Speaker 1: the West Village, and Hell's Kitchen in Manhattan. Last week,
Speaker 1: he celebrated casting his first vote as a state lawmaker
Speaker 1: in favor of the Medical Aid and Dying Act.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 1: We're seeing this more and more. Another New York Democrat,
Speaker 1: Keith Powers, also dominated a special election for a seat
Speaker 1: in the New York State Assembly, receiving eighty two point
Speaker 1: twenty five percent of the vote compared to his Republican opponent,
Speaker 1: who got sixteen point seventy three percent.
Speaker 2: That's a lot less.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, I mean good, because right now, this
Speaker 1: is what has to happen. We need to see majorities
Speaker 1: because they've gone off the rails. You know, they are
Speaker 1: so out of touch and dangerous and pushing this hateful,
Speaker 1: hateful project twenty five agenda, and it has to be stopped.
Speaker 1: If we're going to have a it's got to be stopped.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's another one that made me smile. A Republican
Speaker 1: governor just vetoed a gop led anti trans bill and
Speaker 1: it looks like the Republicans and her state legislature won't
Speaker 1: be able to override her veto ha. Yeah, Kelly Aoit,
Speaker 1: new Hampshire governor, she vetoed an anti transgender bathroom and
Speaker 1: sports bill last Friday that Republicans in the state legislature
Speaker 1: won't likely have enough votes to override.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They sought to.
Speaker 1: Carve out exceptions to the state's twenty eighteen anti discrimination laws,
Speaker 1: which protect people from discrimination on the basis of gender identity,
Speaker 1: and ban trans people from accessing any restrooms, locker rooms, prisons,
Speaker 1: detention centers, and non voluntary treatment centers that match their
Speaker 1: gender identity. Furthermore, the bill sought to ban trans women
Speaker 1: from any athletic or sporting event or competitions in which
Speaker 1: biological males have physical advantages.
Speaker 2: It's like they only know seven words.
Speaker 1: It is, and they weaponize every one of.
Speaker 2: Them, and they barely know those seven words.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she had already vetoed a nearly identical bill last year,
Speaker 1: and she did it again. Good, good bam.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying she's not without her problems,
Speaker 1: because last year she did say. I believe they are
Speaker 1: important and legitimate privacy and safety concerns raised by biological
Speaker 1: males using places such as female locker rooms and being
Speaker 1: placed in female correctional facilities. At the same time, I
Speaker 1: see that this bill is overly broad and impractical to enforce,
Speaker 1: potentially creating an exclusionary environment for some of our citizens. Right,
Speaker 1: So she's halfway there, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: she's still but they have a point, which is what
Speaker 1: too many Democrats are saying. Well, but there's maybe there's
Speaker 1: something too that. No, it's all based on this. We
Speaker 1: are not your problem. We will never be a problem,
Speaker 1: damn it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, anytime a Republican doesn't vote in lockstep and does
Speaker 1: something that resembles decency, I am more than willing to
Speaker 1: point it out and celebrate them word so good job.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Kansas Governor Laura Kelly vetoed an anti trans bathroom bounty bill.
Speaker 1: But I believe that got overridden.
Speaker 2: So I'm guessing bounty didn't refer to toilet paper.
Speaker 1: Yeah it didn't. Yeah, I believe this kind of went
Speaker 1: through and it's going to wind up with the courts.
Speaker 1: But at any rate, Yeah, they want a bounty on
Speaker 1: you know, uh, catching trans people.
Speaker 3: In the bathroom. What could go wrong?
Speaker 1: What could possibly go wrong by offering people money to
Speaker 1: go inspect Genitalia in a bathroom? What could possibly go
Speaker 1: wrong by offering them a cash prize for finding the trainees?
Speaker 2: Just because it was your little president's pastime on Epstein
Speaker 2: Island to exchange money for the opportunity to look into
Speaker 2: the pants of young people doesn't mean that that's to
Speaker 2: be done or should be done, and by young people,
Speaker 2: I mean children. Because the president's a pedophile. Just thought
Speaker 2: i'd take a minute to, you know, call the president
Speaker 2: a pedophile, because it's true.
Speaker 3: It is true.
Speaker 1: The new governor of Virginia has given voters a chance
Speaker 1: to erase their state's anti marriage amendment. She signed legislation
Speaker 1: that sent several potential state constitutional amendments to voters this
Speaker 1: past Friday, including a measure that would remove the state's
Speaker 1: ban on same sex marriage from the state Constitution, which
Speaker 1: was a passed in two thousand and six. While the
Speaker 1: state's ban on marriage equality has not been enforced since
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, overfeld YEP, advocates for its removal say that
Speaker 1: it is discriminatory and could be enforced if Oberfeld is
Speaker 1: ever overturned. We want to make sure that Virginia families
Speaker 1: know that here in Virginia, it is not just a
Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision that protects them, but it is also
Speaker 1: our state constitution.
Speaker 3: Yay. It'll be a big step.
Speaker 1: For Virginia to ensure that every family knows that Virginia
Speaker 1: is a place that welcomes them, appreciate them, and sees
Speaker 1: them for the wonderful family and Virginians that they are
Speaker 1: all right. Indeed, I love it. Yeah, so good stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's see. Let's see what happens. Virginia has turned blue
Speaker 1: all the way around, so let's see what happens with this.
Speaker 1: You know, in the same week that we saw NYU
Speaker 1: langone cowardicely cancel their program for trans use, a California
Speaker 1: state court on Wednesday ordered a San Diego children's hospital
Speaker 1: to continue providing gender firming hormone therapy and puberty blockers
Speaker 1: to trans youth for at least one more month, and
Speaker 1: it gives local families and patients time to find similar
Speaker 1: care elsewhere. Rady Children's Hospital stopped providing such care on
Speaker 1: February sixth, in response to this administration's threats to end
Speaker 1: federal funding to medical institutions that offer gender firming healthcare.
Speaker 1: And that is why NYU langone lost their.
Speaker 3: Moral compass, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they did stop providing the care on February
Speaker 1: six but the State of California then sued the hospital,
Speaker 1: saying it was contractually obligated to provide the care. I agree, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. It decided to end trans
Speaker 1: youth care under pressure from RUMP pledged to block research
Speaker 1: and educational grants, as well as Medicaid and Medicare reimbursement
Speaker 1: to institutions that provide gender affirming care to minors.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: California Attorney General Rob Banta sued the hospital, saying it
Speaker 1: violates illegally binding twenty twenty four contract it agreed to. Therefore, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were supposed to provide it through twenty thirty four
Speaker 1: according to the contract. So I guess you know we're
Speaker 1: going to keep watching it and see what happens. But
Speaker 1: at least the court stepped in on the right side
Speaker 1: of things. We're just going to keep watching this shit
Speaker 1: play out. It's whack themm.
Speaker 2: So it feels like when it comes to children and
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, there's just two categories, the children he wants
Speaker 2: to fuck and the children when he wants to kill.
Speaker 3: Yep, thank you, there you go. That's pretty succinct.
Speaker 2: Actually, it doesn't seem to be anything in the middle.
Speaker 1: There doesn't, does there. I thought you would enjoy this
Speaker 1: next one with bisexuals leading the charge. The US LGBTQ
Speaker 1: plus population has a doubled since twenty twelve, and we
Speaker 1: know that that means that there are more people admitting
Speaker 1: that they are bisexual. Right, roughly double the number of
Speaker 1: people who admitted it in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a new Gallop survey revealing over twice as
Speaker 1: many US adults identify within the alphabet coalition the Eliziahbethequa,
Speaker 1: the Leisiabtequa compared to twenty twelve. The bit in particular,
Speaker 1: Yes and bisexual people are of course leading the march
Speaker 1: on word. They published a report concerning data from a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five phone interview survey, which was conducted with
Speaker 1: over thirteen thousand adults. The latest data film that eighty
Speaker 1: six percent said they were heterosexual, nine percent said they
Speaker 1: identified as LEGIBITKUA, five percent did not respond. The vast
Speaker 1: majority of legiabetequa respondents said they identified as bisexual at
Speaker 1: fifty eight point six percent, followed by seventeen point four
Speaker 1: percent self identifying as gay, sixteen percent as trans, and
Speaker 1: five point eight percent as somewhere else within the umbrella
Speaker 1: such as queer or pen sexual for example.
Speaker 2: All right, the bee is not ce long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, you know, even with all the rhetoric,
Speaker 1: we're still.
Speaker 3: Seeing these numbers grow.
Speaker 1: There's a betther one right, it knows sets The overall
Speaker 1: increase is largely thanks to younger adults being more likely
Speaker 1: to identify as such, and like I said, the stigma
Speaker 1: is not the same, particularly among men. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: other than the freaks out there who won't wash their ass, right,
Speaker 1: but you know, twenty three percent of adults below the
Speaker 1: age of thirty identify within the queer community, and ten
Speaker 1: percent of adults between thirty and forty nine, with only
Speaker 1: three percent or less of people fifty and older. You know,
Speaker 1: we're just seeing it be more accepted despite what you
Speaker 1: may read online or you know, if you only get
Speaker 1: your news from Fox.
Speaker 2: I just started laughing because I was thinking about the
Speaker 2: ridiculousness of the quote unquote street men who think it's
Speaker 2: gay to wash your ass? And I'm like, do they
Speaker 2: think that once they get back there, they're going to
Speaker 2: like it?
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 2: And then next thing, you know, their girlfriends would be like,
Speaker 2: how are we going through this mini bars of soap
Speaker 2: in a week?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Why are you walking so funny?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: The same answer to the questions man.
Speaker 1: The report concluded by stating that the percentage will continue
Speaker 1: to grow as more of Gen Z continues to reach adulthood,
Speaker 1: as nearly one in four Gen Z adults identifies as
Speaker 1: something other than heterosexual. It also doesn't account for population
Speaker 1: data when it comes to minors, and August twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five survey from UCLA's Williams Institute found that trans use
Speaker 1: those between thirteen and seventeen make up nearly one quarter
Speaker 1: of the total trans population in the United States. Yeah,
Speaker 1: trans kids stone exist, and we're all delusional, right whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: let's say.
Speaker 2: Oh, I like this one. Okay, European Parliament votes overwhelmingly
Speaker 2: for quote, the full recognition of trans women as women.
Speaker 1: I love that when people say waters but right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: The resolutions of non binding is a significant shot at
Speaker 1: those who seek to erode trans writs on the continent. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I it was the European Parliament. They voted to
Speaker 1: adopt a resolution. Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: Period.
Speaker 1: This is regarding the EU's priorities for negotiations at the
Speaker 1: United Nations Commission on the Status of Women.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 1: Thanks, right, thanks, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Anyway, you know, anyone willing.
Speaker 2: To act like they have some goddamn sends.
Speaker 3: Right, right.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it was an overwhelming majority who said duh.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It wasn't even yay or nay or I or nay,
Speaker 2: it was dug right.
Speaker 1: I mean in my world this is like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: water's wet. But you know, with everything happening in this
Speaker 1: nation right now, I mean it's radical.
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because when you have a whole party going
Speaker 2: water is not wet, that's not even water. It's a chicken.
Speaker 1: This was just one where it was a sweet story
Speaker 1: released on Valentine's Day. The Outgate president and CEO of
Speaker 1: Interface Alliance was utterly blown away by protesters determination during
Speaker 1: the Minneapolis ICE protests. Paul brand Ice, Rausch and Bush
Speaker 1: flew in January to Minneapolis with a group of clergy
Speaker 1: and a show of solidarity against ICE, and he had
Speaker 1: one big takeaway, Ice will not win there work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, he was utterly blown away by the determination
Speaker 1: of those protesting the Trump administration's brutal Operation Metro Surge,
Speaker 1: which resulted in the deaths of Alex Pretty and Renee
Speaker 1: Good and in the suffering of countless others. There's a
Speaker 1: certain grit in the Twin Cities that is not going
Speaker 1: to give in. They are organized, and they are committed,
Speaker 1: and there is so much love there. It's all rooted
Speaker 1: in love, you know. And after six weeks of brutalizing
Speaker 1: the city that you know, they it was announced that
Speaker 1: it was coming to an end. Most ICE agents I
Speaker 1: believe are leaving have left.
Speaker 2: I think now is a good time to point out
Speaker 2: remember a few episodes ago when I talked about the
Speaker 2: Kochi app, where you had a live map of ICE
Speaker 2: activity in your area. I have been putting the download
Speaker 2: link to that app in the episode Notes of Good
Speaker 2: every episode since. So I'm just mentioning it again just
Speaker 2: for our listeners, just putting it out there.
Speaker 3: Well, good stuff.
Speaker 1: From my observance of the folks on the ground there
Speaker 1: and the way that faith communities are talking about this
Speaker 1: all across the country is that for us to be effective,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean we have to always lead. We can
Speaker 1: come up alongside of other groups and say how can
Speaker 1: we support what you are doing and be good partners
Speaker 1: to you without having to take the limelight or even
Speaker 1: make the strategy. What FACE groups can do is help
Speaker 1: with the message and take away the power of religion
Speaker 1: from the administration to legitimize this in the name of religion,
Speaker 1: they're putting Bible verses on dhs ads, Bible verses on
Speaker 1: ice stuff. It's lies, lies, lies, it's you know, perfume
Speaker 1: on the stench of an oppressive policy, and they're trying
Speaker 1: to pretend like it doesn't still stink.
Speaker 3: And everybody knows it does. Damn. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean it was you know, the summary of
Speaker 1: this article, it's the response. It's always always look at
Speaker 1: the response, right, you know, that's where you're going to
Speaker 1: see love. That's where you're going to see resilience and
Speaker 1: creativity and artistry and humanity at its best is in
Speaker 1: the response to bullshit yep. Because all you're going to
Speaker 1: see from this administration is lies and bullshit. But if
Speaker 1: you look around at your neighbors, you're going to see
Speaker 1: beauty and love yep. And that's pretty awesome. So it's
Speaker 1: time for our favorite segment that we like to call sad.
Speaker 5: Employer, people taking pleasure.
Speaker 3: Yay.
Speaker 2: So, So, a pastor who was linked to Erica Kirk
Speaker 2: is facing child trafficking charges as online speculation spreads. A
Speaker 2: pastor affiliated with Erica Kirk's recent public appearances has been
Speaker 2: charged with multiple counts of child trafficking, prompting online speculation
Speaker 2: about Kirk's past associations. Authorities have not filed any charges
Speaker 2: against Kirk, and there is no indication she's under investigation,
Speaker 2: but multiple online sources suggest that Kirk was previously involved
Speaker 2: with influential figures who are now under investigation for alleged
Speaker 2: trafficking activities. Some commentators claim she has cultivated connections with
Speaker 2: a range of prominent people, including athletes and political figures,
Speaker 2: which may have enabled her alleged involvement. One post suggested
Speaker 2: that Kirk was present in a CIA related video in
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, adding to speculation that she has had unusual
Speaker 2: access to elite networks for years. You are the company
Speaker 2: that you.
Speaker 1: Keep, Oh my god, and this is what they have
Speaker 1: been accusing us of.
Speaker 5: Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 1: Reports also indicate that Kirk's parents had occupations that placed
Speaker 1: her in environments tied to data collection and surveillance, which
Speaker 1: some whistleblowers argue could have been leveraged to facilitate recruitment
Speaker 1: or manipulation of victims. While Kirk has denied several of
Speaker 1: these claims, inconsistencies in her past interviews have led to
Speaker 1: increased scrutiny over her activities.
Speaker 2: Never trust a white woman with eyes that big.
Speaker 1: She has, of course, denied any wrongdoing. There's currently no
Speaker 1: evidence linking her to criminal activity, and she's yet to
Speaker 1: be charged merged with an offense Because money online speculation
Speaker 1: has circulated regarding her past association's educational background and charitable connections,
Speaker 1: these claims remain unverified and should not be treated as evidence. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but the company she keeps keeps being shown for what
Speaker 1: they are from one. A former pastor linked to Harvest
Speaker 1: Christian Fellowship is facing serious civil allegations in the US,
Speaker 1: according to multiple reports, and that religious organization is connected to.
Speaker 3: Kirk m h.
Speaker 2: The fact that she has three k's in her name
Speaker 2: is taling.
Speaker 1: I know, right, It's almost like that's by design, right.
Speaker 1: The former missionary pastor Paul Hasgard is accused of sexually
Speaker 1: abusing and trafficking miners at church run homes in Romania.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: The complaints were brought forward by Marian Barboo thirty three,
Speaker 1: who allege they were abused as children while living in
Speaker 1: these shelters. They claim Housecarred targeted vulnerable street children, allegedly
Speaker 1: luring them with promises of food, shelter, and education.
Speaker 3: I have no doubt. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The filings for further alleged that the abuse occurred over
Speaker 1: several years, and other leaders within the church are also named.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Of course they strongly deny any wrongdoing mm hmm. Because
Speaker 1: his financial extortion.
Speaker 2: She denies her husband was racist.
Speaker 3: So you know, yeah, I know, I know. Chickens roosting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. All I can say is good. I hope
Speaker 2: all your ill gotten gains tumble away from your fingertips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's not the only one
Speaker 1: she's close to. Yeah, because this is this is where
Speaker 1: you find the pedophiles. Well, on Masson and clusters. It's easy.
Speaker 2: If you hang around with nothing but evil people, chances
Speaker 2: are going to uncover some evil.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you follow around Erica Kirk, you're probably much more
Speaker 1: likely to find a bunch of pedophiles than you are
Speaker 1: if you follow me.
Speaker 2: Right, thank you, right, thank you, But.
Speaker 3: You know, keep keep doing you. I guess this was
Speaker 3: in the New York.
Speaker 1: Times demanding support for Trump. The Justice Department struggles to
Speaker 1: recruit prosecutors. Huh, imagine right, Some offices are so decimated
Speaker 1: that the Justice Department has sent in military lawyers.
Speaker 3: This is what it was like in his first term.
Speaker 1: Like it got to a place where, like we had
Speaker 1: no State Department because nobody wanted to be anywhere near it,
Speaker 1: so we just didn't you know, like like that, right,
Speaker 1: Well it's happening. And I said this, I said, you
Speaker 1: know it's gonna happen because anyone who wants a career
Speaker 1: after this.
Speaker 2: Travesty doesn't want any of this on them.
Speaker 1: Right, any decent human does not want to be a
Speaker 1: part of this, you know, the sycophants and and and.
Speaker 3: Those with no morals.
Speaker 2: To speak of where the Department of Nope exactly.
Speaker 1: More recently, officials asked for volunteers from other offices who
Speaker 1: can quickly deploy to places in desperate need. Chad Mazel,
Speaker 1: a former chief of staff to pambornd Hung an online
Speaker 1: help wanted signed for federal prosecutors last weekend that perhaps
Speaker 1: explained why so many valuable Justice Department staff members have
Speaker 1: left and why so few candidates want in. Assistant US
Speaker 1: attorneys are not typically recruited, as mister Mizelle sought to do,
Speaker 1: but a former federal employee who asked and shook candidates
Speaker 1: to send a private message to his Twitter account, nor
Speaker 1: have they been asked in the past to prove political
Speaker 1: or ideological feality. If you are a lawyer, are interested
Speaker 1: in being an AUSA and support President Trump and anti
Speaker 1: crime agen dm me, he wrote, He's a Fearstrump supporter
Speaker 1: who remains close with leaders and senior officials in the
Speaker 1: this way, he was acting as a private citizen in
Speaker 1: expressing his own views, but the post reflected the prevailing
Speaker 1: sentiment inside the Department that Trump has the right to
Speaker 1: hire only those willing to execute his agenda. It also
Speaker 1: highlighted the dynamic that appears to be contributing to the
Speaker 1: very staffing shortages he tried to address. The intermingling of
Speaker 1: law enforcement and political goals has made the department, along
Speaker 1: a magnet for platinum legal talent, an unappealing landing spot.
Speaker 1: According to current and former officials who spoke on the
Speaker 1: condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters, the number of
Speaker 1: applications is down significantly from previous years, even as Trump
Speaker 1: loyalists have publicized vacancies through officials and unconventional channels. Some
Speaker 1: of those applying are generally not as qualified. Well, no
Speaker 1: one is qualified in this administration, so the shouldn't surprise
Speaker 1: as those who sought the position in the recent past.
Speaker 3: A Justice Department.
Speaker 1: Spokesman did not respond to specific questions, but said all
Speaker 1: of the actions reflected Miss Bondi's memo requiring all employees
Speaker 1: to zealously advance, protect, and defend the interests of mister
Speaker 1: Trump in his role as the nation's chief executive. Nothing
Speaker 1: about our constitution.
Speaker 2: Huh was that again?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's a job nobody wants, and I think
Speaker 1: that is richly, richly deserved. Yep, yeah, it was only
Speaker 1: a matter of time. Several federal prosecutors' offices around the
Speaker 1: country have suffered debilitating losses from firings and resignations, many
Speaker 1: stemming from efforts by senior department leaders to push career
Speaker 1: prosecutors into doing mister Trump's bidding. The department's workforce declined
Speaker 1: by eight percent between November twenty four and November twenty five,
Speaker 1: according to data from the Office of Personnel Management. US
Speaker 1: Attorney's offices, the front lines responsible for executing his campaign
Speaker 1: pledge to crush crime lost fourteen percent of their head count,
Speaker 1: dropping from eleven thousand, eight sixty three to ten thousand,
Speaker 1: one fifty four, a staggering one year reduction unlike anything
Speaker 1: the department has seen in recent memory. Worse still, the
Speaker 1: departures have hit the upper tier of prosecutors in premier
Speaker 1: offices the hardest, simply because those with the most experienced
Speaker 1: were the most likely to have lucrative job prospects on
Speaker 1: the outside. The crisis has been most acute in offices
Speaker 1: targeted by the tournatic disruption of White House directives that
Speaker 1: run counter to the prosecutor ethics and training.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, thank you.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Mister Trump's desire for revenge has caused particular destruction in
Speaker 1: the U. S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Virginia,
Speaker 1: where he installed Lindsay Halligan, one of his own former
Speaker 1: defense lawyers, to prosecute two of his most prominent adversaries,
Speaker 1: Letitia James, the New York Attorney General and James Comey, the.
Speaker 3: Former BI director.
Speaker 1: The cases led to the firing, a resignation of Miss
Speaker 1: Halligan's predecessor, Eric S. Siebert, several members of mister Sebert's staff,
Speaker 1: and even Robert McBride, the veteran prosecutor hired to serve
Speaker 1: as Miss Halligan's chief deputy. Few offices have been hit
Speaker 1: quite as hard as the one in Minneapolis, where career
Speaker 1: prosecutors are bawling out rather than execute the White House's
Speaker 1: maximalist demands to prosecute protestersocrats. Perhaps the most profound damage
Speaker 1: came from the department's decision not to investigate the fatal
Speaker 1: shootings last month of Renee Good and Alex Pretty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to work, Nope, and that should not come
Speaker 1: as a surprise.
Speaker 4: But it is a perfect example of sad employer people
Speaker 4: taking pleasure ring the main Indeed, So do you have
Speaker 4: a fifteen minute pave this week?
Speaker 3: I do? Okay hit me? Don't you dare?
Speaker 2: So this song has just been stuck in my head
Speaker 2: for the past couple months. Actually it is it actually
Speaker 2: is from twenty twenty. It's by Jesse, who is a
Speaker 2: Korean American rapper in k pop Diva, and the song
Speaker 2: is called No Nana Okay Yes, and particularly the the
Speaker 2: I just keep singing like the first line of the
Speaker 2: of the chorus where she goes no, no, no, which
Speaker 2: basically means I'm a bad bitch okay.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So we're going to uh it's a bop. We're going
Speaker 2: to go out to the break with No Nana by
Speaker 2: Jesse and we'll be right back.
Speaker 3: So come with me and no no no, no, no.
Speaker 2: No no.
Speaker 4: Upon give me more, give me month, give me more,
Speaker 4: give me moth baby.
Speaker 5: Baby up on.
Speaker 1: Di did did.
Speaker 5: One of the message about two months.
Speaker 1: Oh baby, it was a crash, a bad I could
Speaker 1: give you everything anything, maybe gave you on the l
Speaker 1: board that time.
Speaker 2: Don't Papa by Bounded. She started nothing talk from boumbie
Speaker 2: board and on board.
Speaker 5: Crass no no no, no, no, no no, and we're back.
Speaker 1: We're back, catchy. Not a lot of lyrics, but I
Speaker 1: found myself moving to it so that it's fun.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's about quality over quantity.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that was a lot of fun and you know, uplifting,
Speaker 1: which is good because it is time for the cavalcade
Speaker 1: of nonsense and we have a lot of it, so
Speaker 1: we have to Yeah. Well, I mean, we don't have
Speaker 1: to do anything, right, we ain't gotta do shit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, let's let's wait, shall we. Fine?
Speaker 1: So, unsurprisingly, the UK government covered up a dramatic spike
Speaker 1: in trans youth suicides, according to a new report how about.
Speaker 2: That I Am shocked and surprising.
Speaker 1: The good Law Project claims that the UK Health Secretary
Speaker 1: Wes Streetling's department fought to block freedom of information requests
Speaker 1: for data on trans youth suicides. They appeared to have
Speaker 1: covered up a dramatic rise in transgender use suicides, according
Speaker 1: to data obtained by a UK based government accountability nonprofit,
Speaker 1: the Good Law Project. As Erin in the Morning reported
Speaker 1: data the nonprofit obtained from the NHS funded National Child
Speaker 1: mortality database via a Freedom of information request. Sharply contrasts
Speaker 1: with the government's official report on trans youth suicides in
Speaker 1: the wake of the twenty twenty bell Vy Tavistock ruling.
Speaker 1: As they note, following the UK High Court of Justice's
Speaker 1: initial ruling in Tavistock, which found that miners under sixteen
Speaker 1: could not legally consent to receive puberty blockers or the
Speaker 1: treatment of gender dysphoria, the NHS substantially limited access to
Speaker 1: gender affirming care for minors. Those limits reportedly remained in
Speaker 1: place even after the Tavistock ruling was overturned in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we know this.
Speaker 1: The UK government commissioned it's twenty twenty four Applebe Report
Speaker 1: after the Good Law Project reported that two whistleblowers with
Speaker 1: the Tavistock Gender Clinic alerted the organization to a significant
Speaker 1: rise in suicides among young people on the NHS wait
Speaker 1: list for appointments to begin gender affirming care in the
Speaker 1: wake of the Tavistock case.
Speaker 3: It used to be much easier for kids. You know.
Speaker 1: It wasn't great, but it was a hell of a
Speaker 1: lot better than it's been. Right. The Applebe report identified
Speaker 1: only twelve suicide deaths among current or former Gender Identity
Speaker 1: Development Services patients at that clinic between twenty eighteen and
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Or, However, as Aaron in The Morning notes,
Speaker 1: the report disregarded young people who were unable to access
Speaker 1: that care due to long wait times, which now lasts
Speaker 1: an average of twenty five years.
Speaker 3: What Yeah, you heard me.
Speaker 1: At the same time, good Law Projects submitted a freedom
Speaker 1: of information request and has only just published the data
Speaker 1: it received. They can confirm that in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: through twenty two, suicides of trans children in England surged
Speaker 1: to twenty two, a marked increase from five and four
Speaker 1: the previous two years. Yeah, the organization wrote in a
Speaker 1: February seven release. This spike follows the decision by NHS
Speaker 1: England to pull down the shutters on gender affirming healthcare
Speaker 1: for young trans people following the Tavistock case. In total,
Speaker 1: the data shows forty six transgender children in the UK
Speaker 1: died by suicide between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: in addition to the nine accounted four between twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: and twenty one, and the alarming spike to twenty two
Speaker 1: between twenty one and twenty two. The data also show
Speaker 1: ten suicide deaths between twenty two and twenty three and
Speaker 1: according to good Law Project They added that the numbers
Speaker 1: reported in most recent years will likely be underestimated due
Speaker 1: to a higher proportion of child death reviews that have
Speaker 1: not yet been completed. The good Law Projects said it
Speaker 1: was appalled that the UK Held Secretary commissioned and published
Speaker 1: a report to reassure the public that there was no
Speaker 1: significant rise in suicide rates when twenty two children took
Speaker 1: their own lives in a single year. The Applebee report,
Speaker 1: they said, deny the reality of trans deaths, as Streating's
Speaker 1: ban on puberty blockers denied the reality of trans lives.
Speaker 3: I mean soccer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They fought tooth and now to block the freedom of
Speaker 1: information requests at any rate to silence those raising the
Speaker 1: alarm on rising trans citicide as dangerous, while ramping up
Speaker 1: the policies correlating with the rise in the act of
Speaker 1: grave moral wickedness. The group said, So, I have a.
Speaker 2: Question going back to when you were talking about the
Speaker 2: weight time and you said twenty five that so they
Speaker 2: have to wait twenty five years, that they have to
Speaker 2: wait until they are twenty five.
Speaker 3: No, they have to wait.
Speaker 1: The weight would take twenty five years if you signed
Speaker 1: up and waited.
Speaker 3: Fuck. Well, yeah, I mean, and that's my design.
Speaker 1: They closed the gender clinics that they had. This was
Speaker 1: this happened a while back. I mean when we talked
Speaker 1: about it, when it was happening, and they said, no,
Speaker 1: oh no, we're gonna We're just gonna come up with
Speaker 1: a better plan. Well apparently we never did. The plan
Speaker 1: is to lie about it. That's the plan, Aaron Reid said.
Speaker 1: More alarming is what appears to be an explicit attempt
Speaker 1: to cover up transith suicide deaths. Those who seek to
Speaker 1: restrict gender affirming care also seek to restrict any information
Speaker 1: showing those restrictions may lead to harm. Among the far right,
Speaker 1: claims have emerged that transgender youth are in no danger
Speaker 1: of suicide from the withdrawal of gender affirming care. But
Speaker 1: this could not be further from the truth.
Speaker 3: Right how many?
Speaker 1: I mean, Yeah, I'm just and this is what they do.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. When you can't provide evidence to actually support
Speaker 2: your alleged argument, you just fudge the facts that are
Speaker 2: actually there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't tell me.
Speaker 1: The left and right are the same, right, correct, don't
Speaker 1: don't tell me they're the same. The right is now
Speaker 1: the one restricting our rights, restricting human decency, restricting medically
Speaker 1: necessary care, and then lying about the results as we
Speaker 1: tell them. This is why they sneak shit through in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night whenever they can, like, because
Speaker 1: they know they have to because right, exactly so they
Speaker 1: don't have to listen to us time and time and
Speaker 1: time again.
Speaker 3: Tell them the.
Speaker 1: Truth, right, because ideology has blinded in the States, an
Speaker 1: entire political party. But obviously in the UK we've got
Speaker 1: very similar problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's almost like bigots or bigots, no matter
Speaker 2: what the accent.
Speaker 3: How about it truth? Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Lying shocks I know, it's shocking, right because they don't
Speaker 1: want to take and this is just it. If this
Speaker 1: was only about science and common sense, like they keep
Speaker 1: trying to say, then the numbers wouldn't.
Speaker 3: There would be no uptech would right.
Speaker 1: See, we just let the children be free, and they
Speaker 1: got they got over it. This doesn't go away, people, right,
Speaker 1: it doesn't go away. Trans people are trans people. They
Speaker 1: know they're trans people. Trans children exist. I was one
Speaker 1: I knew, right, and so did everyone around me, regardless
Speaker 1: of your feelings, regardless of your beliefs. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: would have done anything to get puberty blockers anything I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so at least own the results because you want us dead.
Speaker 1: So why aren't you celebrating the numbers. Yeah, we're killing
Speaker 1: more children, more trans kids. We don't want them to
Speaker 1: exist anyway. Just be honest about your bullshit.
Speaker 3: Let's move on.
Speaker 2: Us.
Speaker 1: Gay bars are closing their doors at a heartbreaking pace.
Speaker 3: This has been going on.
Speaker 2: I say this almost isn't news, but.
Speaker 1: It is apparently. Let's say, in the last few years,
Speaker 1: it's only gotten worse. Higher upfront costs combined with lower
Speaker 1: foot traffic have cast a nationwide problem for all of
Speaker 1: the service and food industries.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say this sounds like a not just
Speaker 2: a gay bar, but it is exacerbated in queer spaces,
Speaker 2: which deal with smaller demographics than the average bar or restaurant.
Speaker 1: There's a demographic change. Younger people don't go out or
Speaker 1: have a third space anymore. Right, It's hard to say
Speaker 1: whether anything can economy prove the gay bar. In the
Speaker 1: past year alone, the US has seen closures of long
Speaker 1: running queer spaces, such as the Bay Area's Gingers, which
Speaker 1: was open for forty seven years, or Rochester, New York's
Speaker 1: Avenue Pub, which just inched past five decades of serving
Speaker 1: queer people. New businesses aren't exactly faring better, with bars
Speaker 1: such as Michigan's General Wood Shop and Brooklyn's Club Lambda
Speaker 1: having opened and closed within the span of just a
Speaker 1: couple of years. In some cases, a bar's public frankness
Speaker 1: about its financial difficulties can prompt a community response that
Speaker 1: allows it to stay open. In the last few years,
Speaker 1: many struggling spaces have turned to sites such as GoFundMe
Speaker 1: to make ends meet, keep creditors at bay, and continue
Speaker 1: to sling food, drink, and community to its underserved patrons.
Speaker 1: Efforts like this saved East Nashville's Lipstick Lounge, DC's As
Speaker 1: You Are, and there are organizations such as the Lesbian
Speaker 1: Bar Project looking to not only document career history but
Speaker 1: keep these spaces viprint.
Speaker 2: I mean we've said how many times how the apps
Speaker 2: have almost made gay bars obsolete.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the apps I think were the first
Speaker 1: and biggest blow.
Speaker 3: Meaning, you know, when I was a youngster, men who
Speaker 3: had sex with men.
Speaker 1: Regardless of marital status or whether how they presented pretty
Speaker 1: much had to go to bars. They had to go
Speaker 1: to gay bars to meet other men.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Other than that, there was like the personal ads, which
Speaker 1: I don't think was really a thing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, not much and talk.
Speaker 2: About slow, right, but that was snail mail, right, But.
Speaker 1: You know they would go to the bars and the
Speaker 1: bars were packed, right anymore, you know, I encountered. But yeah,
Speaker 1: once we had things like and I guess it started
Speaker 1: with what craigslist, you know, once you had the Internet
Speaker 1: and people had figured out how to hook up on
Speaker 1: the Internet and not need to go to those spaces
Speaker 1: where they didn't really belong, right, I mean right, they
Speaker 1: were just there to you know, get their freak on.
Speaker 1: But that hurt business a lot, you know, and times
Speaker 1: are changing and you know we've drunk driving and all
Speaker 1: of those things as well, but that was a big one, right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because gay bars historically have been a place
Speaker 2: for gay people queer people to meet up with other
Speaker 2: queer people for the two prong of finding sexual partners
Speaker 2: and community. And you have the apps and then you know,
Speaker 2: we're a lot more mainstream, so there's plenty of other
Speaker 2: places to meet other queer people. Sober spaces even that
Speaker 2: don't involve drinking and going to a bar, like there's
Speaker 2: softball leagues and shit.
Speaker 1: So right, Yeah, there are so many bars listed in
Speaker 1: this article. I'm reading from them about all the bars
Speaker 1: that have closed across the United States, and there's.
Speaker 3: A lot of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of them. This is a pretty
Speaker 1: comprehensive article. I think we should link to it just
Speaker 1: to you know, not belabor it here.
Speaker 2: Well also to give people, you know, a place to
Speaker 2: look and go, oh, I need to support this place. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because you know, gay bars are not just that too prong.
Speaker 2: The fact that it's a bar gives it a certain
Speaker 2: edge that lends itself to activism and creativity and and
Speaker 2: like take for instance, the venture in Like that was
Speaker 2: for me, and I've said this many times, that was
Speaker 2: my place to experience both queer history and up to
Speaker 2: the moment, queer pop culture at the same time. In
Speaker 2: the same place, you're seeing these like edgy performers as
Speaker 2: well as as more like old school classic performers.
Speaker 1: Well in generations of gay bar employees.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's what I'm saying, right, And that's something
Speaker 2: that is unique I think to the setting of a
Speaker 2: gay bar. Sure like, you can get components of that
Speaker 2: in other places, but you're not going to get all
Speaker 2: of that in the same place the way you will
Speaker 2: at a gay bar, especially when it's been around for
Speaker 2: any length of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we.
Speaker 2: The phrase now is we're losing the recipe, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's that's going on in the queer community. We're
Speaker 2: kind of losing the recipe of like the fundamental thing
Speaker 2: that makes us us, you know, that whole the edginess,
Speaker 2: the community, the raw rottiness, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, that's why some of us are
Speaker 1: trying to create different third spaces and different kinds of
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, the dinner that we host monthly
Speaker 1: is a sober space because there aren't enough.
Speaker 2: Of them, right, And they're also necessary and vital and wonderful.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, you know, it used to be that
Speaker 1: all we had were the bars, right and you know,
Speaker 1: somewhere better than others that, you know, being part of
Speaker 1: the community and all of that. But it's just times
Speaker 1: have changed. The perceived need for community, I think has
Speaker 1: changed greatly. I think it's still incredibly important, everyone doesn't,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone does, and so many people have an
Speaker 1: online community now, right, and even organizing is not done
Speaker 1: by let's all meet over at the venture. It's let's
Speaker 1: all you know, they we have group chats and what's
Speaker 1: happened all those things, So a lot is done virtually now,
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, but you know, you can send and
Speaker 1: let's talk about the cost of real estate and rents
Speaker 1: being astronomical, and this is also true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, multiple things can be true at the
Speaker 2: same time.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a bar in a reasonably priced
Speaker 1: neighborhood that we didn't really overpay for and still could
Speaker 1: not make a dime.
Speaker 2: And I was gonna say, and that's just the bar
Speaker 2: business period. That had nothing to do with queerness. I mean, hmm,
Speaker 2: our personal, unique circumstances, notwithstanding.
Speaker 1: Right, it wasn't it was never supposed to be at
Speaker 1: gay bar. It's a whole that's a whole, right conversation.
Speaker 1: But yeah, a lot of speculation about it, like why
Speaker 1: is it happened? But it is happening, you know, more
Speaker 1: and more in these places again, some have opened and
Speaker 1: closed and some really long standing bars. And you know,
Speaker 1: we've talked to a few friends in Philadelphia who are
Speaker 1: bar owners who are just hanging on. So, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a it's a problem.
Speaker 2: And let's not even get into like women owned and
Speaker 2: run in populated spaces, Like you know, we've got a
Speaker 2: couple of new ones that have just opened in our
Speaker 2: opening and I'm like, wrap them in bubble wrap because
Speaker 2: we need them to you know.
Speaker 1: And and part of it is that you've got a
Speaker 1: lot of queers who just don't think it's necessary. You know,
Speaker 1: they can go anywhere they think, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: like it used to be.
Speaker 2: But it See, the first thing that comes to my
Speaker 2: mind is when the cis White Gaze could get married,
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, the struggle was over. That's
Speaker 2: that's what I heard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: The struggle is not over.
Speaker 3: Of course, the struggle is not over.
Speaker 2: It is not over.
Speaker 1: It is sad, you know, we're institutions are closing, new
Speaker 1: places are closing, and no one has a solution to this.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what the article is about. But
Speaker 1: I think we should link to it because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of spaces that are going and go on, right
Speaker 1: and I think it's the trend and it's very sad.
Speaker 1: It is sad, you know, we're even seeing it with
Speaker 1: the cup What do we have left? One restaurant maybe two,
Speaker 1: and they're seeing a real downturn. So and it's almost
Speaker 1: like queers are not supporting queer spaces that part, because
Speaker 1: I don't know, either they count themselves among the majority
Speaker 1: where they don't see the value, or they're happily going
Speaker 1: to you know, mixed or straight spaces.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, you know, it all plays a part.
Speaker 1: And I think the industry is different, I do, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it changes all the time. But I mean we
Speaker 1: found out, you know, and so we kind of came
Speaker 1: in on the cusp of things really changing for corner bars.
Speaker 1: And that was twenty fifteen, So we're talking eleven years ago,
Speaker 1: and there's been steady change and COVID certainly changed a
Speaker 1: lot of.
Speaker 3: The way we go out. Yeah, you know, how often
Speaker 3: we go out, how late we go.
Speaker 1: Out, where we go out to, what kinds of things
Speaker 1: we go out to, Sure's, And I think it's changed
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, across the board.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because like I was looking at and I
Speaker 2: was going through my Facebook memories the other day and
Speaker 2: I had posted this a couple of years ago. This
Speaker 2: had to have been still during COVID because we had
Speaker 2: we had only been in this house for a little bit,
Speaker 2: and I was watching the movie Beach Street and it
Speaker 2: was the scene was the big Christmas party, and I'm
Speaker 2: looking at the scene, like the dance floor and all
Speaker 2: the people in the club on this dance floor, and
Speaker 2: I was like, this kind of image gives me like
Speaker 2: a couple of different feelings. One, it gives me anxiety
Speaker 2: because I'm like, you know, all these people in one space,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And then at the same time, it's
Speaker 2: like it's kind of sad because like we can never.
Speaker 3: Have that again, and we may not, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like there was a time I'd have been one
Speaker 2: of those people. I've been a dot in the middle
Speaker 2: of all those dots, and now the idea just makes
Speaker 2: me queers. Like right, well, that's also as I've gotten older,
Speaker 2: me and my threshold for other people has gotten lower.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but you know, and we've talked about this,
Speaker 1: and I think it's more than tangentially related to the
Speaker 1: right what I'm looking for, you know, p Flag. Before
Speaker 1: I got involved, our my mentor and friend Don Monroe,
Speaker 1: was very heavily involved in Philadelphia and she would talk
Speaker 1: to me about how you know they split into two groups, right,
Speaker 1: the parents of the queer kids or queer people, and
Speaker 1: the parents of the trans people. Right, two distinct groups.
Speaker 1: And then we found out later that, you know, the
Speaker 1: group that we are involved in did the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: And now you know, in twenty twenty six, overwhelmingly these
Speaker 1: are parents, family members, spouses, loved ones of trans people.
Speaker 1: Very you know, it's it's almost rare that it's a
Speaker 1: queer person, right that they're trying to accept or understand. Right,
Speaker 1: It's almost like, oh, thank god, you're gay, that we
Speaker 1: can deal with.
Speaker 3: You know, you're fine.
Speaker 2: I know when whenever someone is talking about someone who
Speaker 2: just came out as gay, in my head, I'm like,
Speaker 2: how quaint? Right.
Speaker 1: Well, but here's the thing, And I think part of
Speaker 1: that is, you know, all the talk about trans people
Speaker 1: and drag queens, and if you're not doing one of
Speaker 1: those things, you know, you're you're fine, you think think again,
Speaker 1: you're next. So but at any rate, I think that
Speaker 1: that's part of it, you know, and you know a
Speaker 1: lot of gays are just like I don't need that, right,
Speaker 1: I can go wherever I want to go. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: right now, you can, but once our spaces are all gone,
Speaker 1: we'll see how this pans out. M So let's talk
Speaker 1: about Indiana. Okay, Yeah, they quietly banned trans residents from
Speaker 1: changing gender markers on their ideas they will no longer
Speaker 1: accept court orders or medical documentations recognizing trans residents gender changes.
Speaker 3: The fuck.
Speaker 1: The Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles has quietly banned residents
Speaker 1: from changing their gender markers on state identification documents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they added a small notice on their website about a
Speaker 1: week ago stating that it will no longer accept court
Speaker 1: orders or medical documentations recognizing trends gender residents gender changes.
Speaker 1: The will gets into effect February twelve, so it's in
Speaker 1: effect now, giving those impacted less than three days to act.
Speaker 2: LGBTQ plus advocacy organization Indiana Youth Group said in a statement,
Speaker 2: denying people the ability to update the gender marker on
Speaker 2: their identification is not only discriminatory, it is dangerous. It
Speaker 2: is in an increasingly hostile climate. Mismatched identification can expose
Speaker 2: individuals to harassment, threats, and violence. It can also create
Speaker 2: serious barriers to employment, housing, and access to essential services.
Speaker 2: Exactly the rule had been proposed twice before, once in
Speaker 2: July and again in November, but was met with are
Speaker 2: from Hoosiers in Indiana who submitted thousands of emails and
Speaker 2: public testimonies against it. The policy was withdrawn each time,
Speaker 2: only to be enacted this week without comment.
Speaker 1: So, no matter what all the citizens of Indiana have
Speaker 1: to say about it, they did it anyway, right, What
Speaker 1: the hell? Only three states Florida, Tennessee, and Texas, completely
Speaker 1: prohibit residents from updating their gender markers on state ideas,
Speaker 1: according to the Movement Advancement Project. Ten other states require
Speaker 1: proof of surgery and a court order. Trump didn't just
Speaker 1: ban changing one's gender on passports or other federal documents
Speaker 1: immediately upon taking office in twenty twenty five, His administration
Speaker 1: forcefully altered existing documents to reflect assigned sex at birth
Speaker 1: and did away with the gender neutral X marker. The
Speaker 1: policy was temporarily blocked as a lawsuit against it moved forward,
Speaker 1: but the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the federal
Speaker 1: government in November, putting it back into effect. The people
Speaker 1: of Indiana spoke clearly and repeatedly against this policy, and
Speaker 1: their Bureau of metaihcles chose to ignore them, said Chris Paulson,
Speaker 1: the iyg CEO. Quietly implementing a rule that puts transgender
Speaker 1: hoosiers at risk while offering no transparency or a meaningful
Speaker 1: notice is not governance.
Speaker 3: It's cruelty.
Speaker 1: It is it is Our young people deserve a state
Speaker 1: that protects their safety and dignity, not one that deliberately
Speaker 1: puts them in harm's way.
Speaker 2: You're here.
Speaker 1: Should we talk about all the ways that puts somebody
Speaker 1: in harms way when they have to produce an idea, right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you never know who's asking for it or what their
Speaker 1: response is going to be. Right, Yeah, you're outing trans
Speaker 1: people in every situation where they need it, they need
Speaker 1: to show it?
Speaker 3: Why? Right? For what reason? For what reason? There's no
Speaker 3: reason other than cruelty?
Speaker 2: Right, I mean that's the reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no reason other than ugly. So I guess, way
Speaker 3: to go Indiana.
Speaker 1: Huh right, So Kansas is fucking around too. So far,
Speaker 1: the governor has vetoed a bill saying that it would
Speaker 1: even ban people from visiting their grandparents of an opposite sex, wondering.
Speaker 3: How that's possible.
Speaker 1: It has strict provisions about who is allowed in to
Speaker 1: visit shared dorm and nursing home rooms.
Speaker 3: Is what she said when she vetoed the measure.
Speaker 1: Lara Kelly vetoed the anti trans bathroom bill after Republicans
Speaker 1: passed it using a procedure that allowed them to bring
Speaker 1: the legislation up to a vote without public hearing. This
Speaker 1: was disgusting. This was the middle of the night, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: bullshit move. The version of Senate Bill two forty four
Speaker 1: passed by the state Senate's Republican majority, originated in the
Speaker 1: state's House Judiciary Committee as House Bill two four two six.
Speaker 1: That bill would have required Kansas driver's licenses and birth
Speaker 1: certificates to indicate a person's sex assigned at birth, regardless.
Speaker 3: Of their gender identity.
Speaker 1: But in late January, Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee
Speaker 1: approved an amendment to the bill that would have required
Speaker 1: government buildings in the state to segregate spaces like bathrooms
Speaker 1: and locker rooms by sex and banned trans people from
Speaker 1: using facilities that do not align with the sex they
Speaker 1: were assigned to birth. Notably, the committee gave no public
Speaker 1: notice that it would add the bathroom band to the
Speaker 1: bill prior to voting on it, and worse, after approving
Speaker 1: the amendment, The committee used a procedure known as gut
Speaker 1: and go, which allowed them to place the contents of
Speaker 1: HB two four two six into an entirely unrelated bill
Speaker 1: SB two four four that had already been passed in
Speaker 1: the state Senate.
Speaker 3: This is disgusting, yep, all of it.
Speaker 1: The maneuver allowed the Kansas Senate to sidestep public input
Speaker 1: and vote on those legislation without a hearing. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: the governor did cite numerous and significant consequences. That's the
Speaker 1: reason for her veto If your grandfather is in a
Speaker 1: nursing home in a shared room, as a granddaughter, you
Speaker 1: would not be able to visit him. If your sister
Speaker 1: is living in a dormant case state, as a brother,
Speaker 1: you would not be able to visit her in her room.
Speaker 1: Kelly said in a statement, I believe the legislature should
Speaker 1: stay out of the business of telling Kansas how to
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom and instead stay focused on how
Speaker 1: to make life more affordable for Kansas. Since I couldn't
Speaker 1: agree more. Yeah, really good God, It's.
Speaker 2: Like what Yeah, And they're spending all this time, all
Speaker 2: these different states are spending all this time on this
Speaker 2: unnecessary minutia so you know, the important shit ain't getting done.
Speaker 1: No, this is they're focused on us, on this hate
Speaker 1: campaign against us, because if you're looking at us, you're
Speaker 1: not paying attention to the kids they're diddling, You're not
Speaker 1: paying attention to the money they're stealing from you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the entire Republican Party has lost their soul and lost
Speaker 1: their way, and we're the scapegoat for now. Right, But
Speaker 1: everybody's fair game.
Speaker 2: And they scream Jesus the entire time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do, and they find people to follow them,
Speaker 1: and it's scary as fuck. But the majority of folks
Speaker 1: in this country are not down with this nonsense. The
Speaker 1: majority of folks in Canansas, the majority of folks in
Speaker 1: Indiana not okay with this stuff. Right, So they do
Speaker 1: it in the dark of night. Why why is this
Speaker 1: all they can focus on? Because, well, in part, it's
Speaker 1: because Republicans don't know how to govern a goddamn thing.
Speaker 3: Well, well, yeah, so this is fun.
Speaker 2: So Fox News host says trans people should not be
Speaker 2: allowed to own guns. Ooh, I want to hear about this.
Speaker 3: I don't. It made me sick.
Speaker 2: So Fox News host Lawrence Jones, Oh, and he's black.
Speaker 2: It is during a February seventeenth segment discussing a February
Speaker 2: sixteenth mass shooting at a Rhode Island ice rink, expressed
Speaker 2: that he thinks transgender people should not be allowed to
Speaker 2: guns in the US.
Speaker 3: These are the Second Amendment people, m h uh huh.
Speaker 2: Robert Dorgan, fifty six, killed their son and ex wife
Speaker 2: before taking their own life during a hockey game at
Speaker 2: the Dennis M. Lynch Arena in Pawtucket. The Independent previously
Speaker 2: reported that Dorgan, who also went by the name Roberta,
Speaker 2: had undergone gender affirming surgery and struggled with family issues.
Speaker 2: During the discussion on Fox News is the Five, Jones said,
Speaker 2: if you're someone that just wants to wear a dress,
Speaker 2: no problems. If you are someone that just wants to
Speaker 2: identify as another sex but you know deep down that
Speaker 2: you're not, but you just want to be called he
Speaker 2: or she, that's one thing. But if you from a
Speaker 2: psychological tendpoint, oh bitch, think that you are another sex,
Speaker 2: you should.
Speaker 3: Not have a gun.
Speaker 2: So if you're a white man who believes that you're
Speaker 2: a Christian and a thinking human being but then goes
Speaker 2: out and shoots unarmed black people, or the way time happens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: then you should not own a gun. We can use
Speaker 2: that same logic.
Speaker 1: We should have, but we never have. Time after time
Speaker 1: after time after time after time after time. All of
Speaker 1: these mass shootings have pretty much been all but what
Speaker 1: three have been SIS had or sis had identified white men,
Speaker 1: and someone needs definitely men even if they weren't.
Speaker 2: And someone needs to tell coonhead McGee over here that
Speaker 2: the same argument was levied against black people since time
Speaker 2: out of mind.
Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, something that has been diagnosed to gender
Speaker 1: dysphory is a problem, and all of us know it.
Speaker 1: We all have to fill out the federal gun form
Speaker 1: that talks about mental You should have to check that box.
Speaker 1: The vast majority of perpetrators, up to ninety eight percent,
Speaker 1: by the way, in mass shootings, and this is in
Speaker 1: Pink News. Our cis gender or non trans men according
Speaker 1: to data from the Violence Prevention Product, And while being
Speaker 1: transgender is not classified as a mental disorder, trans people
Speaker 1: usually need to be diagnosed with the condition of gender
Speaker 1: dysphoria or gender identity disorder in order to access healthcare.
Speaker 2: This motherfucker and those say, let the black guys say
Speaker 2: this bullshit.
Speaker 1: This motherfucker, Yeah, a couple of trans people went off
Speaker 1: the rails, and is it any wonder I'm surprised more
Speaker 1: of us don't, for real, just like I'm surprised more
Speaker 1: black people don't lose their fucking minds in this country.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, honestly, well, right, you're lucky. All we
Speaker 1: want is equal rights and not revenge that part. But
Speaker 1: they assume we will treat them like they treat us.
Speaker 1: Should we get a foothold anywhere?
Speaker 2: So, which is why this coon ass motherfucker saying this shit?
Speaker 3: Just mm hmmm hmmm. I thought you would enjoy this one.
Speaker 3: Oh fuck.
Speaker 2: I mean you're already a Fox News correspondent, so you
Speaker 2: automatically have sold your fucking soul.
Speaker 3: Right, you probably got a portrait of Clarence Thomas up
Speaker 3: in your den.
Speaker 2: H How is it twenty twenty six and you still
Speaker 2: have cotton underneath your fucking fingernails? Oh god damn.
Speaker 1: Do you think he does though, or do you think
Speaker 1: he assumes everyone else does and he doesn't want it there?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what this is. Please, I think he's
Speaker 1: some you know, mistake in the house for his home.
Speaker 2: Again, the view of the house is always better from
Speaker 2: the porch than from the field.
Speaker 1: It is right, But isn't that interesting that that's an
Speaker 1: immediate solution, Right? A couple of trans people are involved
Speaker 1: in a shooting and we shouldn't have guns, And yet
Speaker 1: that is never what any of y'all say when it's
Speaker 1: yet another white man. Now, it's almost like, this isn't fair, And.
Speaker 2: I didn't anyway, what's next because I have nothing else
Speaker 2: constructive to say?
Speaker 1: Well, Journal of the American Medical Association Investigation tells us
Speaker 1: twenty six percent of trans and gender diverse youth have
Speaker 1: attempted suicide, and the highest attempt rates came out of
Speaker 1: North America amidst the United States War on transkits.
Speaker 2: Shocker, Yeah, I bet your water's still wet.
Speaker 1: More than a quarter of trans and gender diverse youth
Speaker 1: worldwide have attempted suicide. For a study printed this month
Speaker 1: in Drama Pediatrics, a high impact medical journal, co authors
Speaker 1: from Alberta Children's Hospital Research Institute and the University of
Speaker 1: Calgary performed a systematic review and meta analysis of one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven studies, including over one hundred thirty
Speaker 1: thousand transgender diverse youth. While much of the data was
Speaker 1: proportionate across demographics. One disparity of note came from North America.
Speaker 1: Youth on the continent saw suicide attempts skyrocket more than
Speaker 1: any other region included in the study. The observed increases
Speaker 1: in suicidal ideation attempts and non suicidal self injury in
Speaker 1: more recent data collection periods may also impart reflect the
Speaker 1: growing sociopolitical hostility toward our communities, particularly North America. According
Speaker 1: to the authors, the rise of anti transgender legislation, combined
Speaker 1: with escalating public stigma and discrimination, may be contributing to
Speaker 1: heightened psychological distress and risk for self harm and suicidality.
Speaker 1: Maybe right, Yeah, The literature surrounding the toll of the
Speaker 1: anti trans crusade on children in the United States is robust.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Indeed, the rates are two to three and a half
Speaker 1: times higher in transgender diverse youth compared with those of
Speaker 1: their cisgender peers who are not being targeted like trans
Speaker 1: kids are. There is a critical need for improved prevention
Speaker 1: and intervention efforts to address their mental health concerns, according
Speaker 1: to the paper, and that's the conclusions. Of course, what
Speaker 1: do we do as a nation and the specific LGBT
Speaker 1: focused nine eight eight operators. Yeah, yeah, it's almost like
Speaker 1: they want us to right. It revealed other potential trends
Speaker 1: as well. For example, it appeared to elucidate a disparity
Speaker 1: and rates of suicidal ideation between studies that include more
Speaker 1: transfeminine use versus transmasculine or broadly non binary ones. The
Speaker 1: study suggests this indicates that transmasculine individuals experience higher rates
Speaker 1: of victimization and discrimination in some respects, and that non
Speaker 1: conforming youth particularly suffer due to limited societal understanding and
Speaker 1: the invalidation of their identities, and there are still many
Speaker 1: kinds of violence disproportionately faced by trans Mental health struggles
Speaker 1: in young people also increased with age, because as we
Speaker 1: get older, we've become more aware of societal stigma, discrimination,
Speaker 1: and the long term challenges of living in a non
Speaker 1: affirming world. Researchers noted, Yeah, older youth face added stressors
Speaker 1: like navigating healthcare systems, social rejection, and lacking access to
Speaker 1: affirming support. These experiences can heighten vulnerability to suicidality over time.
Speaker 1: Right Giants People of color, of course, face more discrimination
Speaker 1: and actually suicidal ideation, though may be lower in racial
Speaker 1: and ethnic minority populations, which is the finding contrary to
Speaker 1: research on cisgendered heterosexual youth.
Speaker 3: Our youth are.
Speaker 1: Likely driven by the unique stressors they face, including bullying,
Speaker 1: limit access to gender affirming care, and internalized stigma. The
Speaker 1: authors wrote conversely, supportive families, affirming communities, and inclusive policies
Speaker 1: can serve as protective factors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are still Yep?
Speaker 1: Everything we've always known and proven scientifically, etc. Over time
Speaker 1: still holds.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: This one's fun just you know, in terms of bone
Speaker 1: chilling right.
Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation president announces intent to outlaw all trans.
Speaker 3: Adult care adult care. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: The president of the billionaire backed Heritage Foundation, Kevin Robert,
Speaker 2: appeared on the influential far right PbD podcast to discuss
Speaker 2: gender affirming care. During his appearance, he echoed usual far
Speaker 2: right anti transgender talking points, including linking being transgender to
Speaker 2: being inherently violent, which I still don't know where the
Speaker 2: fuck they get that from. Then the conversation turned towards
Speaker 2: what the Heritage Foundation was working on when it comes
Speaker 2: to the future of transgender people. It was during this
Speaker 2: shift that Roberts darkly announced that his solution to being
Speaker 2: transgender was simple, you outlaw it, and that the organization
Speaker 2: was working to ban gender affirming care at all ages
Speaker 2: through an incremental process he described as radical incrementalism. But
Speaker 2: where there continues to be disagreement is on what you
Speaker 2: do with adults at Heritage. We believe that so called
Speaker 2: transgender surgery is bad for anybody because of what you
Speaker 2: saw in Rhode Island yesterday on shooting. Right, Yeah, there
Speaker 2: does seem to be a mounting body of evidence that
Speaker 2: suggests a correlation between that surgery at any age mental
Speaker 2: health issues, and increasingly, although we're running the numbers on
Speaker 2: this at Heritage, acts of violence, Fuck you, you only
Speaker 2: running shit?
Speaker 1: And fuck you, why don't you study acts of violence
Speaker 1: among your own?
Speaker 3: Right? Oh wait, right?
Speaker 1: I do not want the Heritage Foundation deciding my future
Speaker 1: for real though for any of us, well, but a
Speaker 1: lot apparently a majority voter for it. So Project twenty
Speaker 1: five came straight out of them, and now they are
Speaker 1: saying this.
Speaker 2: Shit. Yeah, but everyone was, uh, we always knew.
Speaker 1: They weren't going to stop at children. We've been saying
Speaker 1: we're over dramatic. Oh I I yeah, I've been called
Speaker 1: all those things. Yeah, this is right out of his mouth,
Speaker 1: you outlaw it. When asked if transgender adults should have
Speaker 1: their medication taken away, he endorsed the idea of stating
Speaker 1: we like that idea too. One of the reasons is
Speaker 1: that we not only work in coalitions, but we often
Speaker 1: work toward an ultimate goal via incremental steps. Sometimes people
Speaker 1: will call us radical incrementalists. We're willing to take a
Speaker 1: quarter of the Angilada if we can keep working there. So,
Speaker 1: if that's the kind of thing that policymakers can agree
Speaker 1: on left and right, Heritage see, and this is what
Speaker 1: I keep saying, they will find any way to get
Speaker 1: Democrats to actually agree with them. Yeah, and this is
Speaker 1: why it's important that they don't. Heritage would be fully
Speaker 1: supportive of that, knowing that ultimately we have an ideal
Speaker 1: position that would be much stronger than that.
Speaker 3: This man is pure fucking evil. Yeah. Evil. When we
Speaker 3: say they want us dead, we're not kidding, right.
Speaker 2: Not hyperbole, not hyperbole at all.
Speaker 1: Do you know how many trans people would not don't
Speaker 1: want to be alive without tender, affirming care, And that's
Speaker 1: what they want. Why why still doesn't make them any better?
Speaker 1: Doesn't change any of the violence in the world doesn't
Speaker 1: make this a better place to live, and I think
Speaker 1: we need to be asking ourselves.
Speaker 3: Why one more.
Speaker 2: So, I wanted to end the segment on this because
Speaker 2: it is just ridiculous and I know that I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure that justice will be swift on this one. So
Speaker 2: Redwood High School in Visalia, which is Fresno, California. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's some students under investigation because of a photo where
Speaker 2: they decided to get creative with spelling. So these kids
Speaker 2: were taking a photo and each of them had a
Speaker 2: letter or a number on the front of their white
Speaker 2: T shirts, and they arranged themselves so that their shirts
Speaker 2: spelled out the word fagots.
Speaker 3: Two fagots?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why because it's funny?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was a joke. This was posted
Speaker 2: on the source lgbt's instagram. The source LGBT plus Center
Speaker 2: is deeply disturbed by the homophobic slur displayed by students
Speaker 2: at Redwood High School. This was not a harmless joke.
Speaker 2: It reinforces stigma, normalizes hate, and harms lgbt Q plus
Speaker 2: student's sense of safety and belonging. There is a reminder
Speaker 2: that GSA and student pride are essential to student safety
Speaker 2: and well being. We are committed to continuing advocacy for
Speaker 2: students and families for safer spaces both on and off campus.
Speaker 2: We expect meaningful accountability and tangible steps forward from the
Speaker 2: Visalia Unified School District. All I can say is this,
Speaker 2: The picture is very nice and clear, which means that
Speaker 2: all of these young people's faces are easily identifiable from
Speaker 2: any I don't know, college admissions departments, employers. Yes, so
Speaker 2: you know, good on y'all for smiling and saying she's
Speaker 2: so big and bright.
Speaker 3: And they did. Yeah, mm hmm. Yeah. It looks to
Speaker 3: me from the picture that you can tell who every
Speaker 3: one of them is if you want to. Uh huh right, yeah,
Speaker 3: so you know that's.
Speaker 1: Maybe takes that into account. As these people, you know,
Speaker 1: all of them white of course, well, you know, move
Speaker 1: about their business, know that this is who they are,
Speaker 1: and deal with them accordingly.
Speaker 3: I mean, what else? What else? I believe that children
Speaker 3: are there?
Speaker 1: Not these well no, I actually do believe some of
Speaker 1: these children are the future. Scares the fuck out of me.
Speaker 1: I can't with any I mean, there is no more.
Speaker 1: That's that's what we gathered. I am debilitated. Let's take
Speaker 1: a break and we'll come back one more time and
Speaker 1: pop the culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back. Cake there, cat Cake.
Speaker 1: No way to make any of the previous funny. Nothing,
Speaker 1: I got nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Shit is continues to get real, continues to get ugly
Speaker 1: and bolder and nastier, and that's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: So we continue to pay attention to pop culture so
Speaker 1: we do not lose our entire minds. Did you hear
Speaker 1: the Priscilla, Queen of the Desert has a sequel confirmed?
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: Thirty years later with the original cast and director. I
Speaker 1: saw this and I was like, oh, really, they are
Speaker 1: returning to the big screen.
Speaker 2: All of because I thought, oh no, yeah, they're all back.
Speaker 2: Terence Damp, Guy Pierce, you go, we've got work.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: That'll be interesting because they've all they're all a little older,
Speaker 2: but that can only make some of these characters better. Actually,
Speaker 2: I love Priscilla. The original Priscilla the Drag was fabulous
Speaker 2: and the soundtrack to that film is so amazing, So
Speaker 2: I can only imagine what it's going to be for
Speaker 2: the second.
Speaker 1: One, well, two of the characters are drag queens. The
Speaker 1: third is a transgender woman and the heartwarming treatment she gets.
Speaker 3: In the movie is one of the films highlight indeed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course you know this film was considered
Speaker 2: to be the inspiration for Tu Wong fu h. Thank
Speaker 2: you for everything, Julie Newmar with Patrick Swayze playing the
Speaker 2: part of the trans woman. I love that was not
Speaker 2: in the act stated in the actual film. I believe
Speaker 2: Patrick was playing it that way.
Speaker 1: Okay, the sequel will will include new characters. It will
Speaker 1: still include old disco classics, but we'll be moving into
Speaker 1: contemporary as well. The movie was turned into a Broadway musical,
Speaker 1: right and other spin off live shows and Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: is Born this way is particularly popular with the audience
Speaker 1: when it's included.
Speaker 3: We've got to move with the time.
Speaker 2: I hope they get the same costume person, right, because
Speaker 2: remember when I think it was the Oscars that year
Speaker 2: and she was wearing the dress that was made of
Speaker 2: raisor blades.
Speaker 3: Remember this.
Speaker 2: I want her back because that was fierce.
Speaker 3: So will keep her eye out for that. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: was a fun movie.
Speaker 2: And I think like the up to date, like the
Speaker 2: current songs that they use in the original was like C. C.
Speaker 2: Peniston finally, like that was like the current sound then,
Speaker 2: So I'm curious see what they use this go round
Speaker 2: because again the soundtrack is amazing. That's how I discovered
Speaker 2: the song I've Never Been to Me really off of
Speaker 2: that soundtrack. Yeah, really, I had never heard that song before.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah that was on the radio, not
Speaker 3: in my house. It wasn't mine.
Speaker 2: And Lena Horne fine romance, Like there was a lot
Speaker 2: of songs.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I love the soundtrack, right, we'll
Speaker 1: stay on the lookout.
Speaker 3: I'm excited me too.
Speaker 2: So this is something that I came across that I
Speaker 2: was It made my little eyebrow raise up, just the one,
Speaker 2: just the one, and I can't even do that. So
Speaker 2: that's how you know. So, there is a video game
Speaker 2: that was just released the day after Valentine's Day. It's
Speaker 2: called Reloted, and it's a video game where players steal
Speaker 2: back back African artifacts come Again.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So this was released by a South African company and
Speaker 2: it features characters from the African continent whose objective is
Speaker 2: to reclaim artifacts looted by colonizers from Western museums and
Speaker 2: bring them home. I want to play this game. This
Speaker 2: isn't just a heist, It's a rescue mission. The trailer
Speaker 2: for Relooted tells its audience.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: It was released on February tenth on several platforms. It's
Speaker 2: set in the late twenty first century in a context
Speaker 2: where political powers have signed a treaty promising to return
Speaker 2: genuine African artifacts held in museums, so it's definitely fiction.
Speaker 2: When these museums learn that only the works on public
Speaker 2: display will be returned, they gradually remove them from exhibitions
Speaker 2: in order to avoid having to hand them over. But
Speaker 2: they haven't banked on the game's heroes, a group of
Speaker 2: people from different African countries ready to discreetly reloote seventy artifacts,
Speaker 2: including a Yoho te mask from Burkina, Fasso Congolese, a
Speaker 2: shugo sticks, and a Gaji drum from Kenya. Hmmm, all right.
Speaker 2: The game incorporates all the classic elements of the heist
Speaker 2: video game. A motley crew of thieves, a bit of strategy,
Speaker 2: plenty of acrobatics, and above all, the thrill of the robbery.
Speaker 2: One of the characters asked, but is it really theft?
Speaker 2: If it was already stolen. Good ass question.
Speaker 3: Yep, I love it. When is this coming out?
Speaker 2: It's out, It came out, came out the day after
Speaker 2: Valentine's Die.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, and you don't have it?
Speaker 2: I don't, well, I don't. I haven't bought a new
Speaker 2: game system this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm an old school Okay, and so I loved
Speaker 2: that stuff. I'm I'm down for it. I want to
Speaker 2: play this game, and this would be a reason to
Speaker 2: get a new game system. I'm just saying, you have friends,
Speaker 2: I was gonna say. And the other reason why I
Speaker 2: haven't played many new video games is because you're mean.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding. That's not that's not the.
Speaker 3: Real I'll take it. I will take it. I'm fine
Speaker 3: with that. Not a problem.
Speaker 2: Okay. So I basically bullied you into watching Reality Check. Yes,
Speaker 2: the America's Next Top Model documentary. Yes, and aren't you
Speaker 2: glad I did?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure?
Speaker 1: Kinda we Yeah, we were rivetted, Oh my god, to
Speaker 1: all three episodes in a row at one time.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was. It was scalding hot tea. All happened through
Speaker 2: and the fact that Tyra herself was in it Tyra
Speaker 2: Banks was in it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be like a puff piece.
Speaker 2: No, I knew it was her. Oh, I definitely.
Speaker 1: Because she involved herself, you know, because usually folks don't
Speaker 1: if they're not gonna look good. Right, I'm still trying
Speaker 1: to figure out why she did it.
Speaker 2: Well, if you'll notice, I know she.
Speaker 1: Talked about a season twenty five. I meant nobody wants.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. She was like, get ready for
Speaker 2: cycle twenty five. Nobody's going no, no, nobody wants to
Speaker 2: be ready for them, because there's people from cycle one
Speaker 2: that still got some things to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and j Menmoel is still waiting for that
Speaker 3: phone call.
Speaker 2: Oh actually now he's not. So he's not the biggest takeaways.
Speaker 2: So I remember I watched, especially the first season of
Speaker 2: Top Model, like Lisa and I had a standing date
Speaker 2: at her apartment where I would come and we would
Speaker 2: watch this show and it was just like, you know,
Speaker 2: this is the early days of reality television. So it
Speaker 2: was the Wow Wile west Child and you know, seeing
Speaker 2: these young girls be put through the ringer for the
Speaker 2: chance at a career as a model. And I realized
Speaker 2: that part of the reason why I accepted so much
Speaker 2: of the stuff that happened on this show was because
Speaker 2: at the time, I was an up and coming artist
Speaker 2: trying to make my way in the dog eat dog
Speaker 2: world of performing arts. So you know, the whole thing
Speaker 2: of like you got to pay your dues and these
Speaker 2: things you gotta do and this things you got to
Speaker 2: put up with, and you know, you can't complain and
Speaker 2: you can't bitch, and you gotta do this, and you
Speaker 2: gotta do this. So like all that just aligned camera
Speaker 2: on them, thank you. So Yeah, so many things came
Speaker 2: out that happened to these girls in the process of
Speaker 2: making the show, and you know, a lot of it
Speaker 2: just wasn't cool. And it was supposed to be. It
Speaker 2: was supposed to be a rejection of the fashion world
Speaker 2: at the time. Well, at the same time, it was
Speaker 2: a reflection of the fashion world.
Speaker 1: It really was, because you know, while that there was
Speaker 1: lip service page to this, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: being some new frontier, I heard an awful lot about
Speaker 1: that's the way things are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was confusing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Tyra claimed that her whole reason for starting
Speaker 2: the show was to show the fashion world that there's
Speaker 2: more than one body type. There's more than one skin color,
Speaker 2: there's more than one look. And then as she was
Speaker 2: quickly reminded she was making a fucking television show. So
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, oh you have to
Speaker 2: watch your weight, Oh you need to look like this. Right,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, five seconds ago you said, oh okay,
Speaker 2: and these girls are just gonna do whatever they are told.
Speaker 3: As children looked like they had not how a meal, and.
Speaker 2: Exactly like the PLU because I remember, like every season
Speaker 2: there's always one plus size model, at least one plus
Speaker 2: size model, and looking back, I'm like, she's plus size
Speaker 2: in that she's a size sex right, right, And that
Speaker 2: was fucked up because one of the girls was talking
Speaker 2: about and there was one plus size model that actually won,
Speaker 2: like far down the line when I had no longer
Speaker 2: been watching the show, and she was talking about how
Speaker 2: you know she's being uplifted, as like, you know, you're
Speaker 2: doing this for the big girls, and this for the
Speaker 2: plus size models. But yet nowhere they sent her had
Speaker 2: clothes that fit her, you know, of course, and all
Speaker 2: of these challenges and all of these things were basically
Speaker 2: designed to break these girls down and right, and one
Speaker 2: of the things that that like totally horrified me. Was
Speaker 2: cycle two. I remember watching in real time with everyone else.
Speaker 2: The storyline of the girls were sent to Milan and
Speaker 2: they had to go in their go sees, and so
Speaker 2: each of the girls was assigned an Italian man on
Speaker 2: a vespa to take them to their go sees, and
Speaker 2: so the challenge was they had to communicate with their
Speaker 2: guy because they didn't speak Italian and they didn't speak
Speaker 2: the guys didn't speak English, and they had to get
Speaker 2: to their go sees on time, and everything okay, fine.
Speaker 2: Then afterwards they come back to the house and oh, surprise, surprise,
Speaker 2: here's the guys again. And they're all like drinking and
Speaker 2: laughing and having a good time, and some of them
Speaker 2: are in the hot tub, and Shandy ends up like
Speaker 2: making out with one of the guys, and she has
Speaker 2: a boyfriend back in the States, and so you know,
Speaker 2: we're shown that, like you know, they hook up, they
Speaker 2: have sex, and then she starts freaking out because she
Speaker 2: cheated on her boyfriend.
Speaker 1: That that is how it was all framed.
Speaker 2: That's how I remember seeing her moral failing on the television. Yes, right,
Speaker 2: and she was a wreck for cheating on her boyfriend.
Speaker 2: She you know, called her boyfriend who handled it very badly,
Speaker 2: called her a fucking bitch and all this stuff when
Speaker 2: she broke down and told him that she cheated on him. Right,
Speaker 2: Come to find out, what ended up happening was she
Speaker 2: was sexually assaulted by this young man.
Speaker 1: It her account at this point is very different from
Speaker 1: what was their yet, right, and that she you know,
Speaker 1: and they filmed it all right, They kept filming copious
Speaker 1: amounts of alcohol and no food, right, and that she
Speaker 1: blacked out at some point and you know, in the
Speaker 1: hot time, she has no memory.
Speaker 2: She said, at one point, I could feel that sex
Speaker 2: was happening, but I wasn't aware of what.
Speaker 3: Was going on.
Speaker 2: Right, that's rape, yeah, period, oh yeah, And they filmed
Speaker 2: it right, so right, and I'm sitting here like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, oh my god, because a that's what happened
Speaker 2: to her, and be the way they framed it, because
Speaker 2: like I said, I remember being like, why is she
Speaker 2: like reacting so like this so dramatically over you know
Speaker 2: she hooked up with Because you know, I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 2: you're an eighteen year old girl, you're on top model,
Speaker 2: you're in Milan, you hooked up with it with an
Speaker 2: Italian dude after being in a photo shoot, like, okay,
Speaker 2: you cheated on your boyfriend. But girl, come on, now,
Speaker 2: I understand then that's not why she was upset. That's horrifying.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, right, that was the story they were
Speaker 1: kind of almost telling her.
Speaker 3: It wasn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was disturbing, right, because then Tyra comes in
Speaker 2: and has a little talk with all of them and
Speaker 2: she talks about cheating, and she talks to Shandy about
Speaker 2: you know, cheating and what that means and all this.
Speaker 2: It's like, which says to me that upon reviewing the footage,
Speaker 2: they had to find a way to spend this and
Speaker 2: make this a story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe, I mean this is certainly you know
Speaker 1: pre me too for sure and sad. Yeah, just a
Speaker 1: sad indication of how things I think were and.
Speaker 2: To make it even worse. So, leading up to this,
Speaker 2: Tyro was talking about how in the beginning, you know,
Speaker 2: she's the executive producer, her and Ken, who has blood
Speaker 2: on his hands too. You know, they were doing everything
Speaker 2: and she was she was editing, she was in the
Speaker 2: editing booth, and she had her hands and all this
Speaker 2: stuff right in the creating a work.
Speaker 1: She said that after actually I think if I remember it,
Speaker 1: she was like, I was, that wasn't my department, and
Speaker 1: then it I believe it.
Speaker 3: Very shortly after that in the.
Speaker 1: Show she's saying, I learned to be a great editor. Well, right,
Speaker 1: which one?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Yeah, So when they asked her about Shandy
Speaker 2: and she was like, yeah, production is not really wasn't
Speaker 2: really part of my my you know, my purview. And
Speaker 2: it's like, first of all, it says before the show
Speaker 2: and after the show in big old letters, executive producer
Speaker 2: Tyra Banks, you're the one that's talking about how many,
Speaker 2: how many places you've got your hands on, so there's
Speaker 2: no way in the world. And I happen to know
Speaker 2: that the executive producer has, you know, seized the footage
Speaker 2: and has a hand in directing the storylines. So don't
Speaker 2: fucking tell me that you didn't know. So there's that,
Speaker 2: and then there's her treatment of the two J's j Manuel,
Speaker 2: Miss Jay Alexander and Nigel Barker aka the reasons I
Speaker 2: watched the fucking show in the first guy Dame and
Speaker 2: how you know they were like the dream team for
Speaker 2: however many seasons until you know, the network changed and
Speaker 2: she cut them loose and kept on looking. She just
Speaker 2: stepped over their bodies.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, well that happened earlier with Jim and well,
Speaker 1: I mean like they ceased being friends. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: for a long time in there because he wanted to leave. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's it's messy.
Speaker 2: It's the whole thing.
Speaker 3: It's so messy, and.
Speaker 1: It doesn't get not messy, No, it just stays pretty messy.
Speaker 2: The most heart wrenching part for me was the part
Speaker 2: about Miss j who I want to point out like
Speaker 2: Miss Jay was and I didn't realize this until we
Speaker 2: were watching this documentary how influential Miss Jay was for
Speaker 2: me as a queer person, Like Miss Jay showed me that,
Speaker 2: you know, being fluid in one's wardrobe is perfectly acceptable,
Speaker 2: sure you know.
Speaker 1: Or possible right right without apology, possible right exactly.
Speaker 2: That unapologeticness is what I definitely loved about Miss Jay.
Speaker 2: Oh of course, what did I say? I hope she
Speaker 2: don't never play poker because that face just tells you everything.
Speaker 3: And in Braille as well, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: She And she's the one that taught Tyra how to
Speaker 2: walk when she was sixteen, and countless other models taught
Speaker 2: them how to walk, and you know, come to find
Speaker 2: out that Miss Jay had a stroke what was a
Speaker 2: year ago? Okay, a few years ago, we're talking about
Speaker 2: four years and couldn't walk. That took me out. And
Speaker 2: the fact that you know, j Manuel and and and
Speaker 2: Nigel visited a couple of times and like they kept
Speaker 2: in touch and made sure that Miss Jay was okay,
Speaker 2: and Tyra sent a text once yeah, and never came
Speaker 2: to visit. Yeah, you know, right, Like I was sitting
Speaker 2: there crying on that just just for the simple fact
Speaker 2: that like you were the walk and then you couldn't
Speaker 2: walk right, and and it meant so much to her, right,
Speaker 2: not one visit. And it was crazy because like you know,
Speaker 2: I watched I watched the show in real time up
Speaker 2: until like off way through season three, and then I
Speaker 2: just fell off just because I didn't have the time
Speaker 2: to dedicate to a show. I never did so and
Speaker 2: so so much of it like escape me. But I
Speaker 2: would hear tidbits about what was going on, like the
Speaker 2: one girl who she had a gap in her teeth
Speaker 2: and like Tyra fought with her about closing the gap.
Speaker 1: That fucked me because right, the black girl, yes, was
Speaker 1: basically you want to you want to let us alter
Speaker 1: your appearance and close that gap or do you want
Speaker 1: to go home?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Was kind of like they bullied her into it, and
Speaker 1: then how many seasons later they gave some white girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll be like, just like Lauren Hutton, what the actual fuck.
Speaker 2: Right not to mention you're putting these girls through like surgery?
Speaker 2: Basically that was insane to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like how is it unacceptable? For one? And I
Speaker 3: thought she right?
Speaker 2: She did, she was fine, She looked fabulous with that gas,
Speaker 2: and it was, you know, it's insanity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was crazy watching them, you know, defend both
Speaker 1: positions when you put it all together like this all it,
Speaker 1: you know, condense it all some crazy shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we just as a culture, we just lapped
Speaker 2: that ship on up and.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have existed as long as it did without an
Speaker 1: audience exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's how we got the Kardashians, and that's how
Speaker 2: we got like all of these shows, these vapid ass shows,
Speaker 2: where like we got to be as crazy as possible
Speaker 2: to keep eyes on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's some tea watch. If you haven't yet watched
Speaker 2: Reality Check, it is some tea, right, and it was
Speaker 2: crazy and.
Speaker 3: Who yes, it was a break from I'm now on Chicago.
Speaker 2: Fire season eleven, twelve eleven.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that's been my happy place. I live
Speaker 3: in Dick Wolf's world for real, though, I think I do.
Speaker 3: I think I do.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say other than we
Speaker 1: should probably do podcasts.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I made dinner. Yay, you know we can
Speaker 3: go eat. I baked your bread. I bake you bread.
Speaker 3: It's true, you do, I do.
Speaker 1: And I baked this fucking dog treats homemade dog treat
Speaker 1: It's the Martha.
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