WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.199 --> 00:00:03.960 I'm back with Corey Hughes Bloody History. Corey, thanks for 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:04.440 being with me. 3 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:07.879 Thank you for having me. You're one of my You're 4 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:11.839 one of my favorite Kennedy researchers of the day. Like 5 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:15.320 your work is stellar, and I think that more people 6 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:17.679 should be exposed to your work. And you really blew 7 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:20.519 me away with your video on the Israeli war bonds. 8 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:25.760 That is so that is like such upper level research 9 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.480 that most people just breeze over that and never even 10 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:31.160 look at it. I was very very stoked on that video. 11 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:33.560 So yes, thank you for having me here again. 12 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:37.479 Thanks, Corey. We're here to discuss Corey's a new book, 13 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.159 relatively new book came out in July. We're in November. 14 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:43.359 Right now here. It is right here, Lee Harvey Oswald 15 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:48.479 in Black and White, Volume one. Now, Corey, what's now? Corey? 16 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:52.439 This is your Is this your second published book? Yes? Okay, 17 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:57.399 Warning from History was your first book that you've ever written? Yes? Wow, okay, 18 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:01.679 So the book, now, the Housewall book has been out, 19 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:05.040 like I said, for a few months. How would you 20 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:08.159 summarize the reaction so far? From that? The maybe the 21 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:11.280 JFK community specifically has well. 22 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:12.799 I don't think I don't think most of them know 23 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:17.680 it exists yet. So my first book we did, so 24 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:19.599 it's really wild. I look back at some of the 25 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:21.640 stuff that I did and the techniques I did to 26 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:25.359 sell books and whatnot, and like, I did a pre 27 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:29.599 sale on my first book for like a year, which 28 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:31.359 is crazy because if I were to try that today, 29 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:33.040 it would never work. I know it would never work, 30 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:34.519 and I don't know how it worked the first time. 31 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.400 But I sold a ton of pre sales and that 32 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:39.120 got the word out. So then when my book actually 33 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:42.280 came out, it did really good. Right from the start, 34 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:44.760 this one, like nobody knew was coming. I had no promotion, 35 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:47.000 no nothing, and it just popped up one day, right. 36 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.959 So I've probably sold about one hundred copies, which is, 37 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.840 you know, for an independent publisher with no PR marketing 38 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:58.040 or you know, that's it's not bad. So but as 39 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:00.920 far as the content goes, everyone who reads it is shocked. 40 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:03.959 They don't really know what to think. I wrote the 41 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.760 damn book, and I don't know what to think. So 42 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:10.120 I anticipate a lot of people will read it and 43 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.240 get confused because it kind of jumps right into the 44 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:16.280 too Oswald stuff I tried to take a little bit 45 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:18.159 of time in the beginning, if you notice the first 46 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:20.319 like fifty pages or so, I don't really address that 47 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.840 until we get into like forty five and forty six, 48 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:28.400 when we get like the mastoidectomy and the tonsilectomy and 49 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:31.759 all the stuff that seems to disappear later on in life. Right, 50 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.159 So I don't really bring that the two oswalding into 51 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:36.159 it until then because you have to kind of see 52 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:42.120 that Oswald's background is tumultuous, I guess is a word 53 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:44.719 that you could use. It's kind of all over the place, 54 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:48.560 not very well documented, and there's a lot of contradiction 55 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:51.680 and weird stuff. Like some of the things that really 56 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:57.120 capt my attention are Marguerite Oswald. When Robert Oswald Senior died, 57 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:02.120 she tried to have him buried the same day and 58 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:06.120 didn't even notice notify the family. This is crazy to me. 59 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.680 This is this is like to me. Character development is 60 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:12.400 very important in the Kennedy story and obviously in the 61 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:14.520 life of Oswald. And what does that tell you about 62 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:17.199 her character? Like that is some crazy stuff right there. 63 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.120 And the weird thing is when you read about Marguerite Oswald, 64 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.360 you'll come to understand that she had made it very 65 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:27.319 clear to everyone, and everyone could see this that the 66 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:29.800 happiest time she had in her life was when she 67 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:34.639 was Ruth Robert Oswald, and so she truly loved the guy. 68 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:36.719 And so for her to be able to just he died, 69 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:40.159 let's bury him right away, like that's that's psychopathic behavior. 70 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:44.319 If he asked me, so one example, Yeah, this is 71 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:46.479 one example. All kinds of stuff that pops up in 72 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:48.039 the early life of Oswald, and then you get into 73 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:54.680 Oswald's family that's like crazy stuff like Oswald. I think 74 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:59.520 it would be a great uncle. Paul Polo Voitier was 75 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.639 one of Hughey Long's bodyguards, clearly one of the two 76 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:06.520 men who shot him, right, So this is incredibly insane 77 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.360 and I can't believe no one's ever made this conclusion, 78 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:12.599 draw this conclusion before that information has been out there forever, 79 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.680 Like Paul Pole of Voitier was one of Huelung's bodyguards. 80 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:18.639 He's in all the books, he's in all the newspaper articles. 81 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:20.680 All the speculation about his murder brings up Paul Pole 82 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:23.800 of Voitier, and it's Oswald's uncle Jesus Christ, two of 83 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:26.319 the most important assassinations in American history, and you got 84 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:28.319 the Oswald family tied into it. 85 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:28.959 It's it's. 86 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.800 There's something more there that we are unaware of, a 87 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:37.560 familial intelligence link through the votiers that will probably never 88 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:39.839 have answers to I Literally one day, I'm probably gonna 89 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:41.160 have to go to New Orleans and go to the 90 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:44.120 archives and pull physical documents because none of the stuff 91 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.040 is online as far as the Voittier background, you know, 92 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:49.639 and then that will tie into the duplicates, the dupal 93 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:53.639 get Marguerite Oswald's stuff, you know, as Oswald's life progresses. 94 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:57.879 So we're gonna get into all that, Hopefully, I'm going 95 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:00.439 to approach some of these questions as if if I'm 96 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:05.399 my audience is my mother who was fifteen when JFK 97 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:09.839 was shot, And boy, that was strange. What Jack Ruby? 98 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:13.279 Did you know that kind of stuff? She might be 99 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:16.680 open to a conspiracy and all that, but it's just odd, 100 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.040 lu she don't we just let the man rest, you know, 101 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:21.160 that kind of stuff. So, and I think that's a 102 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:24.319 lot of people because Corey, wait what before we get 103 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:27.000 into the specifics, what I wanted to mention and get 104 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.279 you talking about was even from a warning from history 105 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:39.800 and this book you demolish conventional understanding of the case 106 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:45.879 as it was presented to us officially, I mean even 107 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:51.519 within the Warren Commission, or you're calling out actual testimony 108 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:53.240 as fabrication. 109 00:05:54.120 --> 00:06:02.800 Right, Yeah, So, so I wanted the very thesis is 110 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:05.519 about the idea that there were two Oswald's going back 111 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:07.600 to the time he was a child, and that this 112 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:11.120 was some part of some greater intelligence operation known as 113 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.360 an identity transfer, where somebody acts as an identity donor 114 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.000 and you have somebody who uses that identity. In this 115 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.839 case for most of Oswald's life, I believe you have 116 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:24.959 two people using the same identity, and at times a 117 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.639 third person using the identity, and even possibly more that 118 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:31.199 we haven't even discovered yet. But it becomes very clear 119 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:34.399 that Oswald was engaged in something going back to a 120 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:36.879 time before there was a CIA, before there was even 121 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:42.920 an OSS, to when Oswald's name and his history start 122 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:45.680 to appear in two different places. Ultimately, when you create 123 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:48.800 a timeline of Oswald's life, you get two timelines. And 124 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:51.920 so the person who really brought this to the forefront, 125 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:54.839 if you can say that, was John Armstrong, whose work 126 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.279 today is marginal mostly marginalized. And the reason the work 127 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:03.120 is mostly marginalized is because the conclusions that he drew 128 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.480 as far as the assassination go, and the conclusions that 129 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:08.079 he drew as far as the two Oswald's go, he 130 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.000 couldn't tell when one story ended and another began, and 131 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:14.639 he melded them all together into one big story. So 132 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:17.600 all of the duplicate Oswald stuff that occurs during the 133 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:21.199 assassination that I attribute to William Seymour and Carrie Thornley, 134 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:25.399 primarily with a couple extras, he attributed to this duplicate 135 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:28.879 Oswald who was present the whole time that Lee Harvey 136 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:32.720 Oswald was growing up. And so that's where he went 137 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:36.319 off the deep end and he basically lost everybody because 138 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:41.680 understanding the difference between these operations is paramount, and it's 139 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:45.360 wild that Oswald was part of multiple identity transfer operations, 140 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:47.839 one as a child up through him getting out of 141 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:50.959 the Marines and going to Russia, and another one post 142 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:55.079 you know, basically January of sixty one with the bolton 143 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:58.360 Ford incident starts off the long line of impersonations of 144 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:00.800 Oswald while he's still in the so Union. But then 145 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:02.759 once he gets back in June sixty two, they really 146 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.360 start to ramp up, and Oswald is seen all over 147 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:09.600 the place with a shady group of characters. And yes, 148 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:14.279 it's a very, very fascinating tale. And so even people 149 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.160 who are on board with the impersonations of Oswald in 150 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:21.279 the assassination story, a lot of them fall off the 151 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.800 wagon when I get to the duplic at Oswald going 152 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:25.600 back to the time when he was like two years old. 153 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:28.720 And that's what this book's about, folks. I mean, this 154 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:35.440 is basically the beginning from nineteen thirty nine to basically 155 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.200 fifty six or so. There, Corey, this. 156 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.639 Is yeah, October twenty fourth, fifty six. 157 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:45.039 And so it was nice, a nice gesture. You dedicated 158 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:47.759 the book to John Armstrong, which I thought was good. 159 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.440 But you make a point at some point in your 160 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:54.279 videos or something where you say, look, here's some newspaper articles, 161 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.600 here's some magazine articles that have been put out throughout 162 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:01.159 the years talking about a kind of dual identity going on. 163 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:06.039 And it's so this has been out there. You're trying 164 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:08.600 to tell people like, this isn't some kind of theory 165 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:12.600 plucked out of obscurity by some of the by someone 166 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:13.559 on an education for. 167 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:21.840 Him correct, and the first observations of the possibility of 168 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:25.720 there having been two Oswald's throughout his childhood. That goes 169 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:29.960 back way before John Armstrong. I don't remember which book 170 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.639 it was, but there was a book that came out, 171 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.639 I believe in the late nineteen sixties after Garrison's investigation, 172 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:40.600 that talked about the possibility that Oswald was replaced by 173 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:44.720 the Soviets, like the Soviets sent somebody back. That's definitely 174 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:49.480 not true. I mean, the photographic record, there's so much 175 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.120 evidence that the person who went to the Soviet Union 176 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:54.960 and who came back was in fact one of the 177 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:59.360 Oswalds who and we'll call him Harvey Oswald. And the 178 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.039 reason we call Harvey Oswald it's not because we're making 179 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:03.480 it up and we're trying to play a game with 180 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.360 the name Lee Harvey Oswald, is because this person identified 181 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:10.279 themselves to people they knew all throughout their growing up 182 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:13.440 and even as an adult as Harvey Oswald. 183 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:13.799 Right. 184 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:17.080 We even have documentation, there's upwards of seventy five to 185 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:20.679 one hundred documents that show the name Harvey Lee Oswald 186 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:24.559 many many years after the assassination, going on into the seventies. 187 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:30.120 A Defense Intelligence Agency document with the handwritten scribble Harvey 188 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:33.600 Lee Oswald came out in seventy eight. Now I'm sorry, 189 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:36.759 but sixteen years after the assassination, the name Lee Harvey 190 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:41.159 Oswald is ingrained in everyone's head. Everyone knows Lee Harvey Oswald. 191 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:44.080 Why is it that all these years later the intelligence 192 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:47.559 community is still passing around documents that says Harvey Lee Oswald? 193 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:50.600 Because Harvey Lee Oswald was a different person from Lee 194 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:53.440 Harvey Oswald. And for me, the evidence of this begins 195 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:57.279 in nineteen forty one, but technically that doesn't come out 196 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:01.559 until Oswald submits his application to the Marines in fifty six, 197 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:05.000 because when he does his basic brief biography, where did 198 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:07.799 you live? He puts that he lived in Fort Worth 199 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:10.759 starting in nineteen forty one, when we know that Lee 200 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:14.480 Harvey Oswald lived in New Orleans, basically bouncing back and 201 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:19.240 forth between Lillian Moretz and the Bethlehem Orphanage all the 202 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.320 way up until basically January of forty four, when he's 203 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.600 taken out of the orphanage, and then in April of 204 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:30.000 forty four they move into the Victor Street address in Dallas, 205 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.120 where they'll be for the next year year and a 206 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:35.799 half or so. So we have that major conflict. And 207 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:37.080 that's just the first one. That was one of the 208 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:40.120 most recent contradictions that I found in the record. But 209 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:43.480 really you start to run into problems in the fall 210 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.960 of nineteen forty five. Fall in nineteen forty five, they're 211 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.759 supposed to be at the Victor Street address in Dallas. 212 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:55.279 But what you have is you have Robert Oswald testify 213 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:59.159 to the Warrant Commission that Lee Harvey Oswald edwin at 214 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:04.120 Dahl and Marguerite went up to Boston and spent approximately 215 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.240 six months in Boston, and during that time they did 216 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:10.200 some traveling cross country. They're photographed in Arizona during this time. Well, 217 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:14.320 at the exact same time, starting in October of nineteen 218 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:18.240 forty five, you've got Lee Harvey Oswald enrolled at the 219 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.080 Benbrook Common School in Benbrook, Texas. And this opens up 220 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:25.399 a real can of worms here, because after they leave 221 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:29.759 the Victor Street address in Dallas, they go to Covington, Louisiana, 222 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:31.879 or they go back to Louisiana. We go to Covington, 223 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:37.080 and this is where Oswald goes to the Covington Grammar School. Well, 224 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.480 you have a researcher and a lawyer for the Warrant 225 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:43.960 Commission named John hart Eli, who basically was the guy 226 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.600 tasked with the background of Oswald. And this guy, when 227 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:47.960 you go through all of his notes and he was 228 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:51.759 prolific in his notes, he couldn't figure out a damn thing. 229 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.240 He couldn't figure out when anybody was ware because the 230 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.840 testimony of Robert Oswald and Marguerite Oswald contradicted with school 231 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:01.799 records and all this other stuff. So in this nineteen 232 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:05.919 forty six ish time period, when Oswald goes to the 233 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:10.279 ben to the grammar school in Covington, you have John 234 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:12.840 hart Eli concluding that he obviously could have only lived 235 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:15.519 there for like three or four months over the summer, 236 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:17.879 and that was his final conclusion. But we have the 237 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:20.320 school record showing that he finished out that semester there 238 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.159 before they returned to Fort Worth. However, Robert Oswald testifies 239 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:26.919 that all through forty six and through Christmas forty six 240 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:30.039 they were living in Benbrook at an address that nobody 241 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:31.879 knows because it was just out a po box because 242 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:34.639 it was nothing really built up out there. So the 243 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:38.960 heavy duty contradictions really start with the trip to Boston 244 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.279 while he's going to Benbrook, and then all the stuff 245 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:46.039 that goes on at Covington in Louisiana that's all contradicted 246 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:48.840 and when So who the hell knows what's the real story? 247 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.279 We don't know, but we have a photograph of Oswald there, 248 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:54.159 and Oswald did finish this semester through the end of 249 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.080 the year, or not the school year, but the end 250 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:58.159 of the actual year in forty six. And then in 251 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:02.279 forty seven he's back at Ridge Lee West Elementary School, right, 252 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:07.159 And so yeah, it's a whole big cluster. And it's 253 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:09.799 funny because I read, I try to read some books 254 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.600 about Oswald's past, and people try to like come up 255 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:15.840 with a timeline, and they end up having to ignore 256 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.200 half the data in order to construct the timeline, because 257 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:21.279 everybody discounts the fact that there were two Lee Harvey 258 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:24.519 Oswald's and that this was an intentional plot going back, 259 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.440 you know, to before the time of the modern intelligence agencies. 260 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.799 So, folks, if you're thinking this is just another kind 261 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:37.039 of rundown biography of Lee Harvey Oswald's life, it's anything. 262 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:40.480 But what Corey is doing is he's kind of actually 263 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:46.000 revising the traditional accepted narrative of who this man was, 264 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:50.759 and more importantly, Corey, who these families are, right, because 265 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.919 this is not a story about a kind of loaner 266 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:57.639 who was drifting through life and decided to take his 267 00:14:58.039 --> 00:14:59.240 revenge on. 268 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:01.320 Right. 269 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:04.120 Right, You make a point that this is really about 270 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:10.159 a deep deception going on. And I wanted to ask, 271 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:14.799 and you call it an identity transfer program, why did 272 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.080 you come up with Where did you come up with 273 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:19.960 the idea that it's out of naval intelligence? 274 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:26.080 Well, just because the origins pre date CIA and OSS. Right, 275 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:29.919 so in nineteen forty five when the Benbrook stuff is 276 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:32.039 going on, but he's actually up in Boston going around 277 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:34.159 and we have the school records from ben Brook and 278 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:36.679 Robert Os when all that's going on, there's no CIA 279 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.600 at that time, and the OSS was pretty goddamn busy, 280 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:42.120 they were. I'm pretty sure the OSS was not running 281 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:45.159 domestic identity transfer operations. So who does that leave us with? 282 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:49.600 Naval intelligence? Nobody else? And that would correspond with Oswald 283 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:51.639 being in the Marines, because Marine and all that Marine 284 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:54.240 intelligence fell into the Navy, And so to me, it 285 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.279 just it made a whole lot of sense. And then 286 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:59.240 when you have the little tidbits of information about Marguerite Oswald. 287 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:00.440 And so this is something we need to talk about, 288 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.399 is Marguerite Oswald's lies about forty one to forty four. 289 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:08.480 Because Marguerite Oswald joined the navy. This is a fact. 290 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:11.240 She wrote it in the book with Gene Stafford, a 291 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:14.320 mother in History, that she worked as a switchboard operator 292 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:18.720 for the naval base at Algier's Louisiana in nineteen forty two. Okay, 293 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.720 stop the presses. This is the most blockbuster statement that's 294 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.080 been in the zeitgeist for fifty years. Since nineteen sixty 295 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:28.000 six when that book was written, this information has been 296 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:34.399 out there. It's blockbuster because when you study the Navy 297 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:37.159 in nineteen forty two, and how is it that Marguerite 298 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:39.200 Oswald who didn't have any jobs, and then all of 299 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:41.679 a sudden she's working for the navy when she's supposed 300 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.399 to be working at retail, like at department stores. How 301 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:46.639 does this come about? Well, when you dig into the 302 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:48.600 navy and what they were doing in forty two, well, 303 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:50.639 everyone left to go to the war, so were the 304 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:52.600 whole navy was like, oh my god, we got nobody here. 305 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:55.279 So the creator was called the Navy Waves program, which 306 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:59.120 is the Women in the Navy program, which technically they 307 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.480 were civilians, but a lot of the women who were 308 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:04.599 in this civilian program ended up transitioning to be in 309 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.640 the actual Navy. A couple of years after the war 310 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:09.240 when they started to let women in. I think was 311 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:11.400 like forty seven, forty eight something like that they let 312 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:14.000 women into the Navy, and the first batch came from 313 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:16.839 this program. But this program was designed to fill the 314 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:19.480 slots that they needed. And it wasn't just secretarial work. 315 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:24.160 It was everything. They taught women, cryptography and all the 316 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:28.519 stuff that the men did. They taught women intelligence, you know, firearms, 317 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:31.000 like the whole nine yards. They were actual soldiers, I 318 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:34.519 guess you could say. And so so Marguerite Oswald kind 319 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:38.160 of disappears off the radar in late forty one. At 320 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:43.359 this time, we know that Lillian Mourette took in Marguerite 321 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:47.400 took in league for eight or nine months before he 322 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:49.759 ends up going to the Betham Orphanage. Then he's in 323 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.000 the Bethham Orphanage for I guess about a year or so, 324 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.519 but they would come frequently and take him out, and 325 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.000 this I don't know how it didn't cause resentment amongst 326 00:17:58.039 --> 00:17:59.599 him and his two other brothers, because the two other 327 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:04.880 brothers in the bethl hedmorphanage also. But Lee was taken 328 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:06.799 out on a fairly regular basis to go do things. 329 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:08.920 I don't know how that didn't cause some family resentment, 330 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:15.519 but it obviously didn't. But Marguerite Oswald will tell different 331 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:17.519 people she's working at a shoe store, or she's working 332 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:20.839 at retail, or she's working for the Pittsburgh plate Glass Company, 333 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.880 which is what she told Myrtle Evans. And then so 334 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:28.160 we don't really know what she's doing this entire time. 335 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:31.319 The only indication we have are some addresses that she 336 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:36.200 gave allegedly in New Orleans and Algiers in nineteen forty two. 337 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:38.079 So she gives two addresses, twenty one to thirty six 338 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:42.559 Broadway and two two seven Atlantic Avenue. Okay, I grew 339 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:46.480 up in Brooklyn. The split second I heard those addresses, 340 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:49.160 I'm like, oh, that's New York. That was my very 341 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.559 first instinct. And then I went and I start going 342 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:53.160 through the documents, and they're supposed to be in New 343 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:55.720 Orleans and Algiers, but they go and they interview people 344 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:57.680 who live there. They're like, yeah, nobody ever lived here 345 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:00.160 by that name, like it's just a bad address. She 346 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:02.480 gave bad addresses, and she gave this address on like 347 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:05.519 credit forms, she gave it to her doctor. She gave 348 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:09.720 these bad addresses as her official addresses everywhere. But those 349 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:11.839 addresses don't make sense until you put them in New York. 350 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:13.519 And once you put those addresses in New York, you 351 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:16.839 realize that twenty one to thirty six Broadway is the 352 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.200 Hotel Belvedere I believe it's called, and it was only 353 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:24.480 nine miles from the Waves training facility in the Bronx, Okay. 354 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:27.279 Plus add to the fact Marguerite Oswald is only lived 355 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:29.799 at that address for three weeks, and it's like, duh, 356 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.400 of course that's where she was. She was up there 357 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:35.400 in forty one forty two training at the Navy Waves facility. 358 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.119 Then by summer forty two she's obviously back down in 359 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.039 Algiers working as the phone operator. So to me, filling 360 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:42.640 in the gap of her being in New York for 361 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.480 that time is ultra important. And why else is it 362 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:49.279 ultra important? Because during nineteen forty two is when she 363 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:52.359 allegedly met edwin Ekdahl. But she supposedly met him, well, 364 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.680 nobody never really knows where she met him. It's only 365 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:57.640 you know, hearsay as to how they met. But to me, 366 00:19:57.680 --> 00:19:59.880 it's pretty damn clear. They met up in New York. 367 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.200 He was only twenty miles from her address in New York, 368 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:04.720 and that's the year they met, and both of them 369 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:06.079 happened to be there at the same time. And then 370 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:09.440 we don't have a real story on how they actually met. Yeah, bs, 371 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:11.960 they met and there's some intelligence guys in New York. 372 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:16.880 I have no doubts. And so it's not until April 373 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:19.720 of forty four that they move into Victor Street. So 374 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.359 you have this huge gap of like three years that 375 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.599 really we don't know what the hell Marguerite's doing. This 376 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:28.319 is why the tax records are so important, because we 377 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:31.920 don't have any. Why not Corey, because you're know, well, 378 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:35.039 they fall back on this privacy thing. Well, everyone's fucking dead, 379 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:39.000 so what do you care about privacy? Okay, so they 380 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:41.480 say it's a privacy issue and it's federal law. But 381 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:43.920 that's just like, guy, they're hiding behind that. Because if 382 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:46.599 we get some tax records and it shows Marguerite Oswald 383 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:50.359 was on the payroll navel of the Navy for like 384 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:54.400 four or five years, you know. And it's another thing 385 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:56.359 about Margerit Oswell. She claimed that she was broke like 386 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:58.920 her whole life. She wasn't broke her whole life. When 387 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.680 Robert Oswald died, she got either five or ten thousand dollars. 388 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:03.319 We haven't really been able to determine, but it's one 389 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:06.000 of those two. She had enough money to live all 390 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:10.599 the way into nineteen forty one. And she's also getting 391 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:15.720 money from ed pick As. She's getting alimony like twenty 392 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:18.079 dollars a month, which is a decent amount back then. 393 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:21.680 And she held onto the Alvar Street property where Oswald 394 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:23.720 lived that when he was born and where Robert Oswald died. 395 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:26.200 She held onto that place for like four or five years, 396 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:29.759 you know, before it was sold to I forget the 397 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.880 guy's name off hand. But she ends up having so 398 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:36.839 she has rental income property, she has alimony coming in. 399 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.240 She obviously has this job at the Navy doing whatever right. 400 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:42.880 She had this money left over from when Robert Oswell died. 401 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:46.160 She's lived in the high life. But she's crying, poor me, 402 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:48.599 I don't have any money to take care of my children, 403 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.079 so I got to put him in the orphanage and 404 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:54.400 let my sister take care of him. Whatever. You're a psychopath, Okay, 405 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:57.039 the real Margaret's a psychopath, and so. 406 00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:59.359 Let's stick with her for a minute. Tell me what 407 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:02.359 is a what is the definition of a legend? And 408 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:06.000 would you classify Marguerite Oswald as a legend? 409 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:12.680 A legend is a false background that's created for intelligence purposes. 410 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:15.880 And that's a lot of time where identity transfer comes in, 411 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:19.400 because you can just identity transfer into someone's complete background 412 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:21.279 without having to create a legend, you know what I mean. 413 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:26.279 So the legend system and the identity transfer system are 414 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:29.279 kind of like they're connected in that way because you 415 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:31.279 can either build a legend over time or you can 416 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:34.440 just swap out a person and get an instant background. So, 417 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:36.759 but I don't know. I kind of feel to some 418 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:39.400 degree that this was experimentation on their part because they 419 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:43.079 were real sloppy and when we look at their records 420 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:45.359 now and the contradictions, when I see contradictions, to me, 421 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.279 that's them being sloppy. They didn't have a tight lid 422 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.359 on this thing. And other than them funneling her money, 423 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:54.000 which I'm sure they did in some way, which I 424 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:57.960 can't detect maybe through these fake rental properties that she had, 425 00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:00.279 because she had rental properties for like the whole time, 426 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:02.359 her whole life, she had rental properties that she never 427 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:06.079 had any money from. So I don't know what they 428 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.440 were really doing in as far as this is the 429 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:10.200 thing I'm this is the thing that really drives me 430 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:13.200 to understand the mechanisms of how this would have worked 431 00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:19.400 on a operational level. Right, So, research with Diana Thomas 432 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:21.559 kind of she determined that when you look at all 433 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:26.000 of Oswald's addresses growing up, he lived in extremely close 434 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:32.720 proximity to either a lunatic asylum or an orphanage and 435 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:34.400 all of those that are involved with the state and 436 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:36.319 the church, right the state and the church are running 437 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:39.839 those And she thought it was an extremely weird coincidence. 438 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:41.240 And I do too, and I think it needs to 439 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:44.640 be needs some major investigation because somehow they were giving 440 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.400 her some kind of support. They had to give her 441 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:50.079 some sort of support or direction or something, because you're 442 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:52.359 not going to raise two children under the same name, 443 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.599 under two different Margueritie Oswald's and not have some kind 444 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:58.440 of standard operating procedures that you're going to try to implement, right, 445 00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:01.440 there's got to be protocols and and all that stuff, 446 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.279 but we don't have any of that stuff, and so 447 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:05.799 a lot of it feels like they were winging it. 448 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:09.319 But another problem is that, in hindsight, we have a 449 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:11.599 ton of documents from all this time, but we have 450 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.519 a ton missing. So a lot of this story we 451 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:19.039 only know about because they were bad at filtering out 452 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:22.359 the documents that indicate that there were two Oswald's, you 453 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.319 know what I mean. So, but then again, you have 454 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:27.920 people coming into the story twenty thirty years after the fact, 455 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:31.400 after Kennedy's assassination, having to go through this stuff, and 456 00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:34.200 do you think everybody's in on the two oswald scheme? No, 457 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:36.279 that was a need to know only. So I think 458 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:38.680 people who were going through documents to release stuff didn't 459 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:40.440 know what they could release and what they couldn't release, 460 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:43.240 And that's how we get a lot of the contradictory information. 461 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:43.880 Right. 462 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.200 There's some documents out there that are mind blowing that 463 00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:48.559 they should never have given to us, but they did, 464 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:51.880 like the Frank choloona document, like the Kerry Thornley AFFI David. 465 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:53.799 There's so many things that we shouldn't have because they 466 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.000 spill the beans, but yet we have them, which tells 467 00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:59.039 me that people releasing documents don't know what they have, right, 468 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:01.279 And so that's a big problem with putting together the 469 00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:04.680 life of Oswald and his mother. Well, I've kind of 470 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:06.119 got I think, I think I have a pretty good 471 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:08.400 idea of like the two paths that went that, But 472 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.759 there's still some major gaps, major gaps. 473 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.559 Why is January nineteen forty five so important in the 474 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:17.079 life of Lee Oswald? Now, Lee Oswald would have been 475 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:19.400 just about not yet two and a half years old, 476 00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:23.240 I'm sorry, not yet not yet six and a half. 477 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:28.559 Yeah, so in forty five, six forty five is when 478 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:33.119 he had the ton selectomy from doctor Philbin. And that's 479 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:35.680 important because later on in the Marines, Oswald will have 480 00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:41.559 his tonsils inflamed twice, maybe even three times. He has 481 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.680 to go in because his tonsils are inflamed. Now, I 482 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:49.680 did see some rebuttal to this that one of the 483 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:51.640 ways that they did ton selectomies back in the day 484 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:56.720 didn't involve the removal of the tonsils completely. But I've 485 00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.039 read all of the rebuttal stuff on this, and there's 486 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.839 just no evidence of that whatsoever. As far as Oswald 487 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:05.720 goes the paperwork very clearly shows he how tonsilectomy, and 488 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:08.759 then we have swollen tonsils. Those two things are incongruent, 489 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:11.440 and we have no evidence to the contrary that he 490 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.799 had some sort of problematic operation. There's no notes or 491 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:17.640 anything to indicate that surgery was incomplete or problematic or 492 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.400 anything like that. So we just don't know. But this 493 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:22.759 always seems to be a rebuttal to everything. This time 494 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.599 period is important also because in forty six we'll get 495 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:31.240 to his he had a mastoid ectomy on his left ear, 496 00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:34.079 which left a big star right here behind the left ear, 497 00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:39.240 and this I believe is one of the most important 498 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:43.799 events in Oswald's life because this appears to have shaped 499 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:48.440 his behavior and personality. And so this oftentimes, even when 500 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.039 there were kids around, Oswald didn't want to go outside 501 00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:52.920 and play with other kids. Why would you do that? 502 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:55.160 Why would you rather stay at home? Why would you 503 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.440 feel inadequate to go play with them? Because obviously, to me, 504 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:02.519 it's pretty obvious this all started after forty six, and 505 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.440 this is all part of the mastoid ectomy, and this 506 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.359 becomes more apparent that it was more of a problem 507 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:09.240 than we know of when he gets up to the 508 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.200 school in New York and stuff. Hang on on my 509 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:12.000 dogout real quick. 510 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:16.039 All right, that's okay. We'll get into the New York 511 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:16.839 stuff in a little bit. 512 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.000 But the masthoid ectomy I believe shaped his personality, created 513 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:24.480 the withdrawn Oswald that we've all heard about in Oswald's youth, 514 00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:26.680 because it's not withdrawn when we of Oswald that we 515 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.039 know is Oswald, right, but we keep hearing these stories. 516 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.279 He's withdrawn, doesn't have any friends. And I think a 517 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.920 huge part of that is because of the mastoid ectomy 518 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:36.799 and the fact that he couldn't hear, he had trouble 519 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:38.599 hearing in the left ear, and this kind I believe 520 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:40.200 that would shape anyone's personality. 521 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.279 Let me let me push back on this. And so, Mom, 522 00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:48.359 if you're watching, we're talking about an Oswald who was 523 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:51.160 not the Oswald that we know who has arrested the 524 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:54.680 weekend of the assassination. Is that correct, Corey, that's correct. 525 00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:58.759 The Oswald who was arrested that weekend is missing numerous 526 00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:00.440 scars that he would have. 527 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:05.640 But I will say, just you know, put it out there. 528 00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:09.279 Do you remember that midnight press conference and he has 529 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:13.920 to he has to go to the guy, sir to repeat, 530 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:16.400 but you have been charged with that, and it just 531 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:18.640 makes me think like, oh, maybe that's his left ear, 532 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:20.559 like he can't hear and he has to lean in 533 00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:24.400 and said, sir, I mean it's it's a straw man's argument. 534 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:26.200 That Well, I would say that is not the case 535 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.119 because that man who was autopsy didn't have the masterodectomy scar. 536 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:37.720 So according to Diana Thomas, she found that Robert Oswald 537 00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:41.599 had the messed outdectomy scar also, which is very weird 538 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.240 and definitely needs some further follow up. 539 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:47.319 Wow, and we'll touch more on Robert Oswald in a 540 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:50.720 little bit. So who do you think is uh? Who 541 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.799 do you think is the puppet man? This is a speculation, 542 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:55.119 I guess, but maybe not because there is a name 543 00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.839 that you and I both talked about. Who do you 544 00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:59.920 think is the puppet master here? Let's say it is 545 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.880 naval intelligence. Let's say it is the navy. Is there 546 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.839 a gentleman who comes to mind that maybe having something 547 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:07.240 to do with pulling these strings? 548 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:13.200 One hundred percent Fred Corth. So, Fred Corth is one 549 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.440 hundred percent clearly in on this deception, because, first of all, 550 00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.400 Fred Corth is I forget his position before he was 551 00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:22.079 Secretary of Navy, but it had something to do with 552 00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:28.200 he was some sort of liaison to the army. And 553 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:30.039 after that he will go on to be the Secretary 554 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.680 of the Navy. What is that prior to John Connolly? 555 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:36.720 I think it's prior to John Connolly, and then after 556 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:39.480 John Connolly, I forget who's after that. But he's a 557 00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:41.559 big shot and he's a major player, and he's tied 558 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:46.640 into all the upper level stuff. And in nineteen what 559 00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:50.160 was it forty eight, he is the lawyer for Edwin 560 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:55.440 ek Dahl, who Edwin Ekdahll. So he marries Marguerite. This 561 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.400 is the whole Edwin Ecdall thing. Is kind of interesting 562 00:29:57.440 --> 00:29:59.720 because he was an older guy. He'd had a heart attack, 563 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.480 he was kind of lonely. He met Marguerite. She wasn't 564 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:06.440 really into it, but she met with Edwin Ekdahl's sister 565 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.480 and she kind of convinced her to marry him, kind 566 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:12.319 of like, oh, he's probably not got much time left. 567 00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:13.920 Just make an old man happy kind of thing. He 568 00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:17.079 was like twenty years older than she was, and so, 569 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.720 but he worked for a company called Ebasco, which was 570 00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:24.359 an electric company, and they had been they had built 571 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:28.559 electric power plants in the Soviet Union during the Cold War. 572 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.319 What does that tell you? And that's an intelligence connection. 573 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.720 You're not You're not going to Soviet Union to build 574 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.319 power plants without the without the go ahead of the CIA. Right, 575 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.680 So clearly there's an intelligence connection to Ebasco. After he died, 576 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:46.119 the FBI attempted to get documents on him from EBASCO, 577 00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:50.400 and IBASCO straight up said no, sorry, not happening, which 578 00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:54.680 means that there's a something there which is higher authority 579 00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:58.200 than the FBI in its entirety, you know, protecting Edwin Ekdahl. 580 00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.759 So they end up getting married and it's never really 581 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:04.559 it doesn't seem like it's a real marriage. They don't 582 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:06.559 really live, they don't live together. They don't really like 583 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.359 each She doesn't seem like they like each other. He 584 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.319 is living in at the Ewing Street address. This is 585 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.319 another place where it gets weird. He's living at Ewing 586 00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:20.319 Street and he's got some other roommate while she's living 587 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:25.079 at another address. And despite the fact that they're having 588 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:27.480 like some sort of marital trouble, she believes she caught 589 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:32.119 him having an affair. She ends up living with Edwin 590 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:37.000 et Dahl and John Pick and Robert Oswald and Lee 591 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:42.319 Oswald at Ewing Street until March of nineteen forty eight, 592 00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:45.799 and then from there they'll go to the thirty three 593 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.440 hundred Willing Street, which was like a really it was 594 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.759 kind of slummy. John Pick said that when they got there, 595 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.440 he said that we were back down in the lower 596 00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:56.680 class again. It was a really it was a very 597 00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:58.359 hard emotional thing for all of them to deal with. 598 00:31:58.400 --> 00:31:59.799 It was very hard for them to move back into 599 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:03.880 the ghetto. And for Lee Oswald, Edwin Ekdahl was the 600 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.559 only father figure he really ever knew, and so it 601 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:11.559 was very hard on Oswald the divorce because he was 602 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:13.200 very young and they were all together like two or 603 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.680 three years, but it was the only time that he 604 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.400 had a father figure, right, So that was a whole 605 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.559 a very very rough time for Oswald and the whole family. Now, 606 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.559 the problem that we have here is that the divorce 607 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.680 happened in July forty eight, and that the official story 608 00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.880 says that Marguerite Oswald and the family she will buy 609 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.920 a property at one oh one San Saba in Benbrook 610 00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.359 in like a brand new development. It's the only house 611 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:40.000 built in the area, and then they'll move and they'll 612 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.839 live at this property in Benbrook for about two or 613 00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:47.400 three months, only two or three months until school started 614 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.440 again in September of forty eight, and then they moved 615 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:54.160 out of there again when Robert and John Pick went 616 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.799 back to school. So that's the official story, and we 617 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.480 have testimony to that from John Pick, we have testimony 618 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:04.160 to that from Robert Oswald, from testimony to that from 619 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:08.200 Marguerite Oswald. But the problem is when you John Armstrong 620 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.160 did a phenomenal job pulling all the history on that 621 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:12.680 address at one on one San Saba, and he found 622 00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:16.440 that Marguerite Ekdahl, the name on the records, actually had 623 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.039 purchased that property in July of nineteen forty seven, not 624 00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:24.119 forty eight forty seven. So that's very problematic for the 625 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:26.079 official story, which says that she didn't buy it for 626 00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:29.559 a year later. And so John Armstrong goes and this 627 00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:31.880 is where John Armstrong really shines. This is where he 628 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.119 did his absolute for most phenomenal work. He went and 629 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.599 he talked to Georgia Bell and Otis Carlton, who were 630 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:43.200 allegedly neighbors of the Oswalds out at Benbrook and so 631 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.400 when you read their statements, it's clear the FBI altered 632 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:48.880 their statements. And John Armstrong when he spoke to them, 633 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.680 basically he got the same story from Otis Carlton and 634 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.400 Georgia Bell, and that was that the Oswalds, and it 635 00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.519 was just Marguerite and Lee. It was no John Pick 636 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.359 or no other kids. Moved in there around May of 637 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:08.320 nineteen forty seven and lived there until Thanksgiving of nineteen 638 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:14.159 forty seven. She also said that the Marguerite Oswald who 639 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.599 lived in that house in nineteen forty seven did not 640 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:19.400 have a car, and she did not work at a 641 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:22.920 retail store, which is what the official story is. And 642 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.119 we have we can prove that she worked for retail 643 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:27.280 in forty eight. We can prove this. But in nineteen 644 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.159 forty seven, according to Georgia Bell, this woman was a 645 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:33.039 nurse and at another time she had to have a 646 00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.440 neighbor drive her over to a house next to Stripling 647 00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:38.440 Junior High School where she had to pick up her 648 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:42.480 nurse's uniform. Okay, this is nineteen forty seven, This is 649 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:47.280 one year before the Oswalds actually officially lived there. Right, 650 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.119 So what do we have. We have a Marguerite Oswald, 651 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:53.400 who doesn't drive, doesn't have a car, is a nurse, 652 00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:57.760 is short and fat, right and so, and then she 653 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.079 moved out by Thanksgiving. The issue is, we don't have 654 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:05.360 any contacts between Georgia Bell and Otis Carlton with the 655 00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.719 real Marguerite Oswald and her kids in the two or 656 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:12.400 three months that they lived there from July, you know, 657 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.679 to September of nineteen forty eight. When you look at 658 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.239 the testimony of Georgia Bell and Otis Carlton, they didn't 659 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.480 know anybody else living there in that house because Otis 660 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.320 Carlton ended up buying that house, and so they are 661 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:29.039 unaware of another set of people ever having lived in 662 00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.000 that damn house. So what does that tell me? That 663 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.800 tells me that when the Oswalds went back to Benbrook 664 00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.960 in July of forty eight, number one, it was the 665 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.840 real Marguerite, the real Lee and his brothers. It was 666 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:43.360 not the Marguerite and Lee who were living there in 667 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.320 forty seven. And they didn't go to one O one 668 00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.159 San Saba. They went to some other address in the area. 669 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.239 Because even when John Picked testified and they asked him 670 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.480 to talk about that time, and he's talking about it 671 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.719 Albert Jenner says, was that one O one San Saba 672 00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:58.800 and John Pickos. I don't know nothing about one on 673 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.519 one San Saba, Right, So what are we yelling here? 674 00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:04.599 What is happening here? We've got more of this overlap 675 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:08.239 with witnesses, solid testimony on both sides. We can firmly 676 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.800 establish what everyone is saying here. And the only answer 677 00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:14.159 is that there were two sets of Marguerite and Lee. 678 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.000 That's it. It's the only solution. And this is one 679 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:20.400 of literally one hundred incidents when you follow the life 680 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.400 of Oswald like, it's not like the pattern is different 681 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.519 and changing and indicating different types of things. No, the 682 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:31.440 pattern is always Oswald in two places at once, always, 683 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.599 and then sometimes three places at once. When we get 684 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:38.960 to like fifty five to fifty eight, So people might. 685 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.239 Be saying, geez, Corey, so many addresses, come on, relax, 686 00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:44.920 I mean, give me a break already, but we're going 687 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:50.000 to double down. Tell me about to to zero Thomas Place. 688 00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.000 Right, so tujuous THEREA Thomas Place is the place where 689 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:55.599 the Marguerite Oswald that we know who. I'll get to 690 00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.920 her real identity later on. I believe I know who 691 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.960 that is. Well, she was living at tou Chi Cho 692 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:08.599 zero Thomas Place at the time of the assassination. Okay, 693 00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:11.719 it is also like, I can't imagine can you imagine 694 00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:15.360 another scenario where Marguerite Oswald was driven to get her 695 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.280 nurse's uniform at a house next to Stripling Junior High, 696 00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.880 But it's a different house. I don't think so. So 697 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.519 odds are any cop in the world would would deduce 698 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.039 that the house that they were driven to she was 699 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:29.719 driven to in forty seven to get her nurse's uniform 700 00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.320 when she was living at one on one San Saba 701 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:33.719 is to to Choo zero Thomas Place, and that would 702 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.239 indicate that there's a connection to this house from nineteen 703 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.960 forty seven at the earliest, all the way to nineteen 704 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:43.880 sixty three under two different owners. Edna Pendleton and Mary 705 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:48.800 McCarthy are the two owners. So Mary McCarthy turns out 706 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.199 close personal friend of Fred Korth, the man who handled 707 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.559 the divorce from Edwin Necdahl from Marguerite Oswald. This is 708 00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:58.480 fascinating because it's the real Marguerite Oswald who got the 709 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.880 divorce from Edwin neck Doahll. So Fred Corth knew every 710 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.280 intimate detail about the family, about Oswald and his brothers, 711 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.519 the living situation, the money situation, like he had to, 712 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:11.440 because that's what you do in divorce proceedings. You get 713 00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:17.199 to know everything. And then we have Then we have 714 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:21.119 the other Marguerite, the false Marguerite who was acting as 715 00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:22.760 a caretaker for Harvey Oswald. 716 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:24.159 We have. 717 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:31.559 Her popping up at that address sometime in nineteen fifty four. 718 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:34.320 And that's a whole nother story we'll have to seg into. 719 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.199 But what we do is we have Marguerite Oswald, the 720 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:41.280 real Marguerite Oswald divorce from Edwin Acdall. Fred corth is 721 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.360 the lawyer. But also this house will be rented to 722 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:50.039 the false Marguerite in the future, in nineteen fifty four 723 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.480 and again in nineteen sixty three. And it's the false 724 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.920 Margarite who's conected to this residence in nineteen forty seven, 725 00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:58.920 a year before Marguerite got divorced from Edwin Acdahll. So 726 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:02.320 what was fred Court's in this house in nineteen forty seven, 727 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:05.480 if there was one, right, we don't know. We don't 728 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.039 know the relationship between Edna Pendleton and anybody else. So 729 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.039 I did, trust me, we did a full genealogy and 730 00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:13.639 background on her. We got nothing, So it's very interest. 731 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.360 We don't know, we don't know, but it's very strange 732 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.280 that one address nobody rents up. Nobody rents a house 733 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:21.960 from like two different owners, unless it's like the owner 734 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.400 transferred it back to back while you're living there, right, 735 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:26.079 then that's But if you rent a house and then 736 00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:27.480 you go back ten years later to rent a house 737 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:29.039 and it's a different owner, why are you get in 738 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:30.760 the same place in the first place, right, None of 739 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:32.920 the story makes any sense, And why would you be 740 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.119 attached to it for se for like fifteen years plus, 741 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:37.519 you know. So, yeah, there's something going on with that 742 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.239 residence and Fred Korth, And that brings me back to 743 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.079 this idea that there has to be some sort of 744 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.400 covert real estate network at play here, which would also 745 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.360 connect to the house that Robert Oswald lived at on Davenport, 746 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:53.039 which actually appears in the story years before Oswald. Robert 747 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:56.920 Oswald ever buys the damn thing, right, So that gets 748 00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:01.079 us into like the whole nineteen fifty four to nineteen 749 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:05.679 fifty six couple of years, which is the craziest couple 750 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.239 of years as far as the two Oswald stuff goes 751 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.440 because none of it makes any sense at all. Everyone's lying, 752 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.119 And if there was nothing to it, why is everybody lying? Right, 753 00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:17.159 if there's nothing to any of this, why is everyone lying? 754 00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:20.159 We'll get to that, just to close the circle on 755 00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:28.199 Fred Corth. Now, Marguerite claims that Oswald's discharge I believe 756 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:32.079 was handled by Fred Corth number one and number two. 757 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:38.559 Marguerite names Fred Corth as involved in the framing of 758 00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.920 Oswalt and the assassination well of the president. And I 759 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:47.440 would even say of Oswalt, you know, couples a few 760 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:55.360 assassinations that we can who which Marguerite is claiming that. 761 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.480 That's the false Marguerite, because the real Marguerite. This is 762 00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:00.280 the thing, like when you go over the records, you've 763 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:05.000 come to realize that all of Oswald's official story addresses 764 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.800 are the are the real Oswald and the real Marguerite. 765 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.679 But that changes in nineteen fifty six, which tells me 766 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:13.360 in nineteen fifty six, when Oswald goes off to the Marines, 767 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:18.599 that's when they're supposed to do the official swapperou with 768 00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.599 the families, and Marguerite Oswald should be off doing something 769 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.639 else with a different name or something, but that's not 770 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:29.599 what ends up happening. So Oswald, the real Lee Oswald, 771 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.920 will end up going to Hawaii on his way to Atsugi, 772 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:40.440 Japan August nineteen fifty seven, he will send a postcard 773 00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:43.480 to He sends it to thirty thirty eight West sixth 774 00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:45.559 but I think it's actually just a thirty eight thirty. 775 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.280 But it ended up making it through because the post 776 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.079 office is kind of smart sometimes, and so we're not 777 00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.119 supposed to have that address period. That address is not 778 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:56.400 supposed to be the official address of Marguerite Oswald at all. 779 00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.480 She's living. God, I forget what you addressed you was 780 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.960 at Again, from this time period in fifty six through 781 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:06.519 the end of fifty seven we have more obfuscation because 782 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:10.119 we have the real Marguerite purchasing a house at two 783 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.199 thousand and six what is it Birchwood or Birchman or 784 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.639 something like that, which doesn't appear in the record. You 785 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:20.440 shouldn't appear in the record anywhere. And then so it 786 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:22.920 gets really complicated when you get into fifty six because 787 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.039 in fifty six you have Oswald's working in all right, well, actually, 788 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:28.679 if we're gonna start this, we're gonna talk about this, 789 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.880 we have to start at fifty four, So we're gonna 790 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:32.440 start at fifty four. We kind of have to start it. 791 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:34.239 We have to go through all the New York stuff too, 792 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:35.719 so let's back up a little bit. 793 00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.559 So my next question then would be how much did 794 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:44.960 oswd how much did Oswalt's Oswalds in New York blow 795 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.320 your mind? 796 00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:50.440 That's when stuff really starts to go off the deep 797 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:52.840 end in the fall of forty two. So you have 798 00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:59.800 Marguerite Oswald sells the Birchman property in late August of 799 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.119 fifty two, and then she goes to New York with 800 00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:06.960 Lee and they live at John Picks off a ninety 801 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:10.800 second Street. But we have some contradiction here already, because 802 00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:13.119 we have some people saying that she stayed with John 803 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:16.079 Pick for a month. John Pick's mother in law said 804 00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:18.119 that they stayed there for closer to a year, which 805 00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.760 I can't fit into any timeframe at all. Well, maybe 806 00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.239 I could, but then that mean everyone's lying, including John Pick, 807 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:29.280 and I don't buy the John Picks a lie at all. Yeah, 808 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:32.800 So allegedly they get up there and it's late nineteen 809 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:37.079 fifty two, and then we run into some problems with 810 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.559 when Oswald left there where he actually went after there, 811 00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:43.800 because we have both John Pick and Robert Oswald saying 812 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.639 that they went to school. He went, they got another 813 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:47.719 place in Manhattan and went to school in Manhattan at 814 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:49.719 PS forty four. Well, I could never find a PS 815 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:51.760 forty four in Manhattan at all. It's three of them. 816 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.440 None of them were in Manhattan, So I don't even 817 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:56.360 know what that's about. But everyone was pretty sure that 818 00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.239 Oswald went and lived in Manhattan. But the official story 819 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:01.239 says they went up in the off at Sheridan for 820 00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:04.679 a couple of weeks fourteen fifty five Sheridan, and then 821 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:08.000 they went to the one hundred and seventy ninth Street 822 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:11.880 address in the Bronx, right, and so this is the 823 00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:14.079 one hundred and seventy ninth Street. The Bronx address would 824 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.840 correspond with the time that Oswald went to the Trinity School, 825 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:23.679 the Lutheran school, and so okay, So Margareton, she claims 826 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:26.039 the family's all Lutherans, but they never went to church. 827 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:27.920 So what's the deal with the Lutherans? Why are they 828 00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:29.760 all Lutheran if nobody ever goes to church. I don't 829 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.400 get it. There's something there. But as it turns out, 830 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:34.960 and thank you to Diana Thomas again for discovering this, 831 00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:38.079 that Oswald never actually went to Trinity. Everyone thinks he did. 832 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.320 The FBI has records it said he did, but he 833 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:42.920 never showed up. John Hannah, who was a pastor there, 834 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:47.039 years later he knew Lawrence Wench, who was the principal 835 00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:48.519 at the time, and he told him the full story. 836 00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.840 He's like, look, Oswald, his mother came and showed up, 837 00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.519 paid the twenty five cent registration, and then Oswald never 838 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.079 showed up at the school. Right, So here we have 839 00:44:56.159 --> 00:45:01.119 this big gap in August, late August, September through early 840 00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:06.320 October ish at the Trinity where we where John Picks 841 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.039 said that Oswald was going to school in Manhattan. Okay, 842 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:12.920 so we possibly have that explanation there that he was 843 00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.400 actually in Manhattan, not at the Trinity school because he 844 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.039 never went to Trinity. Then after Trinity, he allegedly goes 845 00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.480 to PS one seventeen. But at PS one seventeen that's 846 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.119 where and we know this is Harvey Oswald. He starts 847 00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:26.800 to be a truant and he never goes to school. 848 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.000 And right, so the weird thing is he misses most 849 00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:33.199 of the damn year, but he still somehow passes the year. 850 00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:35.480 I don't understand this, Like this doesn't make any sense. 851 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.639 Then we start to run into some major, major problems 852 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:42.800 because of Oswald's truancy. So now picture this in my head. 853 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.639 You have Lee Oswald going to school somewhere in Manhattan, 854 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:48.400 and he's going to school, he's a positive attendance record. 855 00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:50.440 You have Harvey Oswald up in the Bronx at one 856 00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.360 hundred and seventy ninth, allegedly going to PS one seventeen, 857 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.119 but he never goes, gets in trouble, ends up getting 858 00:45:56.119 --> 00:46:00.840 picked up. So Oswald's arrest is all over the place. 859 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:05.159 The official story says he was arrested from his apartment 860 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:09.760 on the sixteenth of April. However, we have the documents 861 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:13.519 from the court record showing Magistrate Delaney sent him to 862 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:17.960 youth house on April fifteenth, the day before. We have 863 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:21.639 no explanation to this whatsoever. Then, when you get into 864 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:28.440 the statements made by it wasn't Realnada's Heartogs, it was 865 00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:33.159 the other guy I can't recall his name offhand, The 866 00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:35.519 first counselor that Oswald allegedly saw when he went to 867 00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:40.320 youth house. He swears that Oswald was there March twenty seventh, 868 00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:44.000 the last Saturday in March, because and he was positive, 869 00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:45.800 because he was packing up all his stuff and moving 870 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:47.440 because he had quit working for the State of New York. 871 00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:49.199 That was his last week and that was the last 872 00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:51.480 day that he was there. So he's confident the date 873 00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:54.679 was March twenty seventh. So we have three contradictory records, 874 00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:58.239 and we have Marguerite Oswald said in A Woman in 875 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.440 History that she was in the court she had brought 876 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:04.840 Oswald to the courtroom, and then Oswald was taken from 877 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.679 the courtroom, right he was arrested there and taken from 878 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:11.119 the courtroom. Well, how does that jive with Oswald being 879 00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:14.559 arrested at his apartment on April sixteenth, which we have 880 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.719 the arrest card. The arrest card is in my book. 881 00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:21.920 There were newspaper articles published about policewoman Felicia Spritzer, who 882 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.880 was allegedly some famous policewoman who went and was part 883 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:27.239 of the unit that made that arrest. I have the 884 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.880 newspaper article in there. None of that jives with the 885 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.280 statements of Marguerite Oswald who said Oswald was taken from 886 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.400 her in court, and none of that jives with anyone 887 00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.119 having ever met with Oh it is Milton Currion was 888 00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:42.039 the psychologist. None of that jives with Milton Curion statement 889 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:44.280 that he met with Oswald on the twenty seventh. This 890 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.039 is all kinds of jacked up. And then when you 891 00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:50.119 get into actual of the records of like where Oswald 892 00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:52.039 was during the period of time that he was supposed 893 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:53.599 to be at youth House and whatnot, there's all kinds 894 00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:56.559 of contradictions. There's like memos about him doing well at 895 00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.679 PS six eleven, which PS six eleven was a school 896 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:02.199 for the hearing impaired, which is weird. And then you 897 00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:06.119 see other mentions in the school record that Oswald had 898 00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.440 the mascuoidectom me in forty six and that he had 899 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:10.639 a loss of hearing. It's the only document in the 900 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.199 world you'll ever find anything about Oswald having a loss 901 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.760 of hearing. And so, yeah, so the whole entire New 902 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.239 York thing is crazy. And so then this is one 903 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.880 thing I think is great. Marguerite will get a lawyer 904 00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:26.480 because she's like, this is on this is the Waltz. Margerite, 905 00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:29.440 she gets a lawyer, his name is Edward Budle, and 906 00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.400 she basically tells him, look, I got something's going on. 907 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.559 What do we do here? He looks at the record 908 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:36.719 and he goes, look, they're trying to lock your kid up. 909 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.159 You better get him out of town as quick as possible. Okay. 910 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.440 And I think that's exactly what they did. And this 911 00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:46.159 is where the entire controversy over South Dakota comes into 912 00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.880 the story. And I one hundred percent believe Oswald went 913 00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.320 to South Dakota. But there are some interesting anomalies in 914 00:48:51.360 --> 00:49:00.960 this story. So Oswald he will tell Aileen when he's 915 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.400 in the Soviet Union that he discovered dust copy tell 916 00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:09.440 the book in the library in South Dakota. Okay. We 917 00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:13.440 have the statements of al McCole and her son, Oh 918 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.599 what was his name, I don't recall his name offhand, 919 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:20.440 but they basically she sent a letter to Lyndon Johnson said, hey, 920 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:25.000 my son knew Oswald back here in nineteen fifty three 921 00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:29.360 during the summer. And so there's multiple data points that 922 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:32.800 would indicate one hundred percent Oswald went to South Dakota. 923 00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.639 William Henry Timmer Timmer, Yes. 924 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:42.079 Timmer, and so Timmer Timmer's story is interesting because Timmer 925 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:46.840 will end up saying to the FBI that Oswald told 926 00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:48.760 him he came from New York and that he was 927 00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:51.239 in gangs in New York and he fought in street 928 00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:56.840 fights in New York and that I don't remember if 929 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:58.360 you told him that he drove or he told me 930 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.679 something he had a car or something along those lines. 931 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:05.239 And that's when he starts to talk about communism and 932 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.360 dust Capital. And this is in the summer of fifty three. 933 00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:14.840 This is an anomalous event because we don't have any 934 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:18.960 other references to Oswald and communism until fifty eight, when 935 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.639 you get into the Palmer McBride stuff, and then really 936 00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:25.239 you don't get any any inkling whatsoever that Oswald has 937 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:28.519 any interest in the Soviet Union or speaking Russian until 938 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:30.960 March of nineteen fifty nine. So we have an event 939 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:35.559 here almost six years prior to the first confirmable you know, 940 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.679 I say confirmable, because the Palmer McBride stuff is more hearsay. 941 00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:44.559 But the first confirmable times that Oswald's trying to speak 942 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:48.440 Russian is in March of fifty nine. And so I've 943 00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:50.800 had a lot of revelations lately over Oswald and is 944 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.320 speaking Russian, and the possibility that he did go to 945 00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:57.440 the Monterey Institute for Language, which I'm honestly starting to 946 00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:01.039 become more and moral believer of one hundred percent, I'm 947 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.559 at ninety percent, i'd say, because I've been trying to 948 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.679 figure out for Oswald spoke Russian at all, And it 949 00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:08.039 seems like when he went to the Soviet Union he 950 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.159 didn't speak an Russian when he went there, well, not 951 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:12.400 publicly to his friends. He spoke English to people who 952 00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.360 we don't know who he spoke English to. Right, something's 953 00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:16.840 up with Russia. And I'm gonna get to Russia when 954 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.800 I finished this book. But he from what I hear, 955 00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:23.039 he didn't speak Russian when he gets over there. And 956 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:26.800 we have some contradictory information about a woman who went 957 00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:31.679 out Rosalie I forget her name, Roslin Quinn roslind Quinn 958 00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:33.480 goes out on a date with Oswald while he's in 959 00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:36.920 the Marines, and she tells this is funny because she 960 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:41.760 tells the FBI that he spoke fluent Russian like he 961 00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:44.440 was good. But she had also gone on a date 962 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:47.519 with a guy named John Donovan who was Oswald's like supervisor, 963 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:52.159 and she told Donovan that he barely spoke Russian at all. Okay, 964 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.400 then you get into Rosalind Quinn. Turns out she was 965 00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.280 a flight stewardess, just like Marilyn Mourette was, you know, 966 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:01.760 flying all these weird countries. So so Rosalind Quinn most 967 00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:04.119 likely a spook, right, and so you really can't trust 968 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:06.039 her word in the official story. So we have all 969 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:09.440 this contradiction over when Oswald actually spoke Russian, and from 970 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:11.639 going through those statements of other marines, I'm starting to 971 00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:14.280 come to the conclusion that he didn't speak any Russian 972 00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.719 at all until March of fifty nine, when he's then 973 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.679 seen with a Russian he's listening to Russian records like 974 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:23.079 how to speak Russian records, and he's going through a 975 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:26.639 Russian dictionary and the Russian newspapers he's getting he's looking 976 00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:28.840 up how to read them by looking up words in 977 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.760 the Russian dictionary. So what is my current working thesis. 978 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.760 There's this weird period between January and mid March of 979 00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.440 fifty nine when he gets back from Matsugi, he goes 980 00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:43.639 home for a little bit on break, comes back, and 981 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:45.440 then he's doing this weird stuff that we're really not 982 00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:47.519 sure what he was doing. He went to San Francisco 983 00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:50.400 for something where the Monterey Institute is okay, but he 984 00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:52.800 allegedly it was from some sort of large scale drills. 985 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.360 He also goes to Yuma, Arizona, and he spends about 986 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.400 three weeks in Yuma, Arizona. So we don't really know 987 00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.800 what's going on here. But this is when he takes 988 00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.320 the Russian tests, so to me, and what is he 989 00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:04.639 barely passed it. He only got two words more right 990 00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:06.480 than wrong or something like that. Right, So he wasn't 991 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:08.440 that good at Russian speaker when he took the test. 992 00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:11.039 What does that tell me? They probably did send him 993 00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:14.920 to Monterey Russian class at that time at the Speaking Institute. 994 00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.000 Immediately after that is when he's seen translating the Russian 995 00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:21.719 from the records with the dictionary right. Then he goes 996 00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:23.719 on the date with Rosalind Quinn where she tells Donovan 997 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:25.840 that he doesn't speak good Russian at all. Then he 998 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:28.039 goes to Russia where he doesn't speak Russian, and he 999 00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:32.199 probably learned the Russian that he did know in the 1000 00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:35.760 Soviet Union working with Marina. That's probably where he actually 1001 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.599 did so I'm feeling much better about the fact that 1002 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:43.239 he actually did do a shotgun course, learned basic Russian, 1003 00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:44.840 and then the rest of it came when he was 1004 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.239 over there. That's what I'm kind of putting together now, 1005 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:51.119 And so Corey, forget what we're going with that, but 1006 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:52.599 go ahead. 1007 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:56.000 But I have to question the Dakota story because the 1008 00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:58.280 documents say he didn't go to Dakota. He went to 1009 00:53:58.280 --> 00:53:59.239 New Orleans. 1010 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.960 Right, That's an interesting one because the documents Rosalin not 1011 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:06.920 Roslin Quinn. Aileen Mosby turns over her notes from the 1012 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:10.039 Oswald meeting to the FBI, and despite the fact that 1013 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.679 she published in the newspaper that it said that he 1014 00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:16.000 went to North Dakota or South Dakota or was it 1015 00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:18.920 North Dakota, it was one of the dakotas Stanley, North Dakota, 1016 00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:23.760 North Dakota, Okay, So even though she printed that, when 1017 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.039 the FBI turned the notes over to the Warrant Commission, 1018 00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:28.880 her notes now said when he went back to New Orleans, 1019 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:33.119 the same quote, but they changed North Dakota to New Orleans. 1020 00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:38.760 So yeah, it's why would they do that? Well, obviously 1021 00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:40.840 they're trying to hide the fact he went to North Dakota. 1022 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:42.599 And why would they hide the fact that they went 1023 00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.320 to North Dakota. Well, because we have school records showing 1024 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:47.320 he was still in New York where he ended up. 1025 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:51.079 He ends up leaving New York January ninth or tenth, 1026 00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:55.280 fifty four. And from there this brings us to the 1027 00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.760 next chapter, which if I had a million dollars, I'd 1028 00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:02.599 put a million dollar reward out right now for any 1029 00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:05.480 person on planet Earth who can tell me where Lee 1030 00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.920 Harvey Oswald was living between January and May of nineteen 1031 00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:13.000 fifty four. Nobody can tell me because the story that 1032 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:16.400 we have is contradictory. Okay, So this is where it 1033 00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:18.440 really gets for me. This is where I lost my marbles. 1034 00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:20.679 This is where it really gets good as far as 1035 00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:25.159 this was a good opportunity for further investigative research, right, 1036 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.159 especially when we get to like when Oswald goes back 1037 00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:32.239 to Fort Worth. So January of fifty four, Oswald leaves 1038 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.639 New York, goes to New Orleans and is attending Borgard 1039 00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.599 Junior High School. We have the records showing he attended 1040 00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:43.719 classes from January all the way onward. We don't know 1041 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:50.119 where Oswald's living, and I'll tell you why because Oswald 1042 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:52.119 and his mother will not move into fourteen fifty four 1043 00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.360 Saint Mary until May the end of May of nineteen 1044 00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:57.400 fifty four. It is also at the end of May 1045 00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:59.559 nineteen fifty four that a letter is sent from Marguerite 1046 00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.920 Oswald to John Pick, where she says, Hey, we just 1047 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:05.760 got back to New Orleans. Really, I thought you were 1048 00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:08.400 supposed to be there since January. But it's May and 1049 00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.599 you're just now writing to John Pick. Myrtle Evans, who's 1050 00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:14.280 a longtime friend of hers, completely in on this scheme, 1051 00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:18.400 gives testimony and says that she thought that when Marguerite 1052 00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:20.280 came back to New Orleans, she had come from either 1053 00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:24.039 San Antonio or Fort Worth. Okay, I one hundred percent 1054 00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:26.199 believe this. I don't think it's Fort Worth. I think 1055 00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:28.519 it is San Antonio because I've seen two or three 1056 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.960 other references miscellaneous references to San Antonio that I can't 1057 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:36.639 fit into any narrative whatsoever. Something was going on in 1058 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:40.400 San Antonio. John Pick was not living there at that time. 1059 00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.039 It was years later he would live in San Antonio. 1060 00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.039 So I don't know what to deal with San Antonio is. 1061 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:48.280 But nonetheless, we don't know where Oswald and his mother 1062 00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:50.800 are until they move into fourteen fifty four Saint Mary 1063 00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:53.719 at the end of May. Now here's the problem with this. 1064 00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:58.519 The school record showing Oswald starts in January. Hebrew friends 1065 00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:02.480 a woman at Borguard Junior High School named Myra drus LaRue. 1066 00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:07.599 She is a woman's pe teacher, but she is has 1067 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:11.199 a homeroom, and that homeroom is in the basement of 1068 00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:14.599 the school on the stage right, and so homeroom you 1069 00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:16.599 go and you check in and they make sure you're 1070 00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:17.920 there for the day, and then you go off to 1071 00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:21.880 your first class. Starting in that semester in January, she 1072 00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.760 had a student in her homeroom named Lee Harvey Oswald 1073 00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:29.079 who she would see hanging around the library after class, 1074 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:33.760 and she just happened to befriend him, and he made 1075 00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:36.440 it a very specific point that he wanted to be 1076 00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:40.079 called Harvey Oswald. He didn't go by Lee, he went 1077 00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:43.760 by Harvey, and so everyone knew him as Harvey Oswald. 1078 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:47.440 She tells a story about how one day a piano 1079 00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:55.639 fell on Harvey and Edvi Bell is a student at Boredguard. 1080 00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.760 Edvi Bell is the one who came and got her 1081 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.440 and then they helped Harvey yep, and she ended up 1082 00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:04.880 driving him home from school that day. And this member 1083 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:06.800 this is early nineteen fifty four. This is in that 1084 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:11.000 first semester of fifty four. She drives him home to 1085 00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:14.280 one twenty six Exchange Place. She called it Exchange Alley, 1086 00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:17.239 which is what it had been. But this is absolutely 1087 00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:23.440 unbelievably important because Oswald and his mother are not supposed 1088 00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:27.039 to have moved into one twenty six Exchange Place until 1089 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.639 June of nineteen fifty five, more than a year later. 1090 00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:37.079 They're not supposed to be at one twenty six Exchange Place. 1091 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:42.239 So this is where you get some really really crazy overlap. 1092 00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:43.639 And I think, and it's in the book, I kind 1093 00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:46.639 of deduced where everybody was at what time. So you 1094 00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:51.119 have Marguerite and his mother, I'm sorry, Margaret Elle and 1095 00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:53.320 his mother are living at fourteen fifty four Saint Mary, 1096 00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:57.639 allegedly right until June or July of fifty five. But 1097 00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.760 we start to get letters from Margaree to John Pick 1098 00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:04.599 in October of fifty four with the address one twenty 1099 00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:09.280 six Exchange Place. Okay, everybody and their mother testified that 1100 00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:11.440 they didn't move into one twenty six Exchange Place. Until 1101 00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:15.280 summer fifty five. But we start to have letters sent 1102 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:19.679 to John Pick from his real mother, the real Marguerite 1103 00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:23.639 in October, and we have a letter in October, and 1104 00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:27.599 we have a letter in November from exchange place. But 1105 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:30.159 the official story says that they're at one four five 1106 00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:34.039 four Saint Mary until the summer. Okay, this is when 1107 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:37.280 we start to have the appearances of It took me 1108 00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:38.719 a long time to figure this out, and even John 1109 00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:42.000 Armstrong didn't figure this out. And John Armstrong actually did 1110 00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:44.840 some incredible investigative work that he ended up discarding that 1111 00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:49.400 he shouldn't have discarded. So you have Oswald now suddenly 1112 00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:53.239 appears in Fort Worth at Stripling Junior High School in October, 1113 00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:57.079 ish October, November of nineteen fifty four. Okay, this is 1114 00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:59.440 at a time when Oswald is clearly registered and going 1115 00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:03.559 to school in Boreguard. So what do we have. Harvey 1116 01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:07.000 Oswald is going to Beauregard January for that first semester. 1117 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:11.480 End that semester close to October, he ends up leaving 1118 01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:14.079 and going to Fort Worth, and the real Lee Harvey 1119 01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:17.480 Oswald ends up taking his place at Bouregard. This is 1120 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:21.360 crazy to me. Did people just not notice. Oh my god, 1121 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.920 Oswald looked so much different. Maybe they banked on like 1122 01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:26.039 over the summer, how kids grow. Maybe they thought that 1123 01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:27.760 would be enough change for them to be able to 1124 01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:29.920 swap them out. Well they did, and the one person 1125 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:33.719 who remained friends with Lee Oswald is Edva Bell. Edva 1126 01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:36.039 Bell was there when Oswald got into the fight with 1127 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.360 Johnny Nwmeyer and had his front tooth knocked out, testified 1128 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:42.280 to Warren Commission. Oswald had his tooth knocked out, you 1129 01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:44.920 know Oswald when he had the autopsy done and they 1130 01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:46.800 dug him up. He didn't have a false tooth. Okay, 1131 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:51.400 So we have some shenanigans there. But Edva Bell, I 1132 01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:55.079 think clearly obviously knew both Harvey and Lee. And then 1133 01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.440 Edva Bell will join the Civil Air Patrol. He will 1134 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.119 bring the real Lee Oswald into the Civil l Patrol 1135 01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:04.719 of July twenty seventh of what is that what years 1136 01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:09.920 fifty five? Fifty five, yeah, fifty five, right after he 1137 01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.440 graduates from Bourreguard. So we have all this stuff going 1138 01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:17.639 on in New Orleans. However, simultaneously after Oswald is seen 1139 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:21.760 and confirmed by Frank Goodlady, who's the assistant principal who 1140 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:25.199 met with John Armstrong confirmed Oswald was at Stripling in 1141 01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:27.599 that fifty four to fifty five school year for approximately 1142 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.280 six weeks. So now we have another Oswald in two 1143 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:32.599 places at once, this time one in Fort Worth, the 1144 01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:37.000 other one in New Orleans. It is around this time 1145 01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:39.920 we will run into a problem. We will run into 1146 01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:43.039 an issue where we have a Lee Harvey Oswald and 1147 01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:50.760 his mother, Marguerite Oswald, are now working at Dolly Shoe store, okay, 1148 01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:57.800 for Mary Goodman. The problem is that Oswald can't be 1149 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.239 working at Dolly Shoe and going to Borgar at the 1150 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:03.519 same time. It's too much of a problem there, okay. 1151 01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:10.679 And so we also have the testimony of Tommy Brown 1152 01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.400 and Randall Reeves and a couple other guys in Fort 1153 01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:17.320 Worth who will tell John Armstrong that they knew and 1154 01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:21.079 went to school with Lee Harvey Oswald at Moniggue Junior 1155 01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:26.039 High School where they all graduated that June of fifty five. Okay, Now, 1156 01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:28.239 this is kind of out of left field, and even 1157 01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.280 John Armstrong disregarded this information. The reason he shouldn't have 1158 01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:34.159 disregarded this information is because I one hundred percent believe it. 1159 01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.559 And the reason I believe it is because Tommy Brown, 1160 01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:39.000 who was one of the guys who knew Oswald at Monig, 1161 01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:42.320 he gave a very explicit description on where Oswald was 1162 01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:45.280 living on Davenport, a bunch of streets over from I 1163 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:48.000 think it was Exeter, a bunch of houses over from Exeter. 1164 01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:52.000 And so the issue with this is that Tommy Brown 1165 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:54.760 should never have known about that house because that house, 1166 01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:58.159 dollars to donuts, will be the house that Robert Oswald 1167 01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:02.159 will move into on Davenport. What is it seventy thirty 1168 01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:04.679 seven seventeen or seventy three thirteen Davenport, one of those. 1169 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.320 But the problem is that this is we're talking June 1170 01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:11.559 of fifty five. Robert Oswald will not buy or move 1171 01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:15.159 into that house for two more years. Okay, this brought 1172 01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.280 this in my research, brought me back to the whole 1173 01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:21.360 covert real estate network when I dug into the documents 1174 01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:24.039 from Armstrong. Turns out the guy who owned the house 1175 01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:26.920 at the time was a guy named Joseph Summerfeld who 1176 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.639 was like a lifelong high level freemason involved with the 1177 01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:33.360 Scottish Right and all that stuff, which made my bells 1178 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:35.719 go off back to guy Banister and all this stuff, 1179 01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:39.119 and how many other unexplained things do we have? You know, 1180 01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:42.280 loving enterprises who owned one twenty six exchange place. They 1181 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.159 were obviously in on some shenanigans. I couldn't link any 1182 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.880 of them to any of these other people. But to me, 1183 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.159 to see the Scottish right pop up a second time 1184 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:52.679 in the life of Oswald was too creepy. And that's 1185 01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:55.159 kind of what spawned all my freemason research that I'm doing. 1186 01:03:55.719 --> 01:04:00.440 But we have major contradictions in where Oswald was again 1187 01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:04.280 for this entire period January fifty four all the way 1188 01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:07.800 through here June of fifty five, clearly in two places 1189 01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:12.280 at once, and so it's it's it's go ahead. 1190 01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:14.760 Did John Armstrong ever track down. 1191 01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:19.519 Edva Bell, No, he was dead. He died at thirty one. 1192 01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:23.800 So Edward Bill died of a pulmonary embolism. His father 1193 01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:27.159 told John Armstrong that he was healthy one day and 1194 01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:30.960 dead the next, and his father was adamant that it 1195 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:32.760 had something to do with the Oswald case. 1196 01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:38.400 So whose duplicity keeps you up at night? You write 1197 01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.960 that in the book you remember you need me to 1198 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:42.760 you will be. 1199 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:44.679 Heah, give me a hint. I probably said that a 1200 01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:45.320 bunch of people. 1201 01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:49.920 How deep into the deception was Robert Oswald? 1202 01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:53.719 So Robert Oswald. The thing about Robert Oswald is he 1203 01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:55.679 is he was clearly in on this from a very 1204 01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:59.079 young age, because, like I said, he said that they 1205 01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:02.079 were out in Benbrook, Exus and forty six, you know, 1206 01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:05.320 and we have the statements going back to forty five 1207 01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:08.400 of them up in Boston. To me, it's a parent 1208 01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:13.440 that he knew what was going on all the way 1209 01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:15.719 back then. He didn't have much of a choice. If 1210 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.280 he's at Benbrook, but the real Oswald is in Covington, 1211 01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:20.039 then we can say with certainty he was with the 1212 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:22.320 false Marguerie. Well, honestly, I think this guy's a brother. 1213 01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:24.239 And I'll say why I think this guy is a brother? 1214 01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:28.840 Why this Harvey Oswald? Which Harvey Oswald and Harvey Oswald? Okay, 1215 01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:31.199 I think instead of there being four, instead of there 1216 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:34.159 being three brothers, John Pick, Robert Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald, 1217 01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:38.960 I think there's four brothers. And I think that and 1218 01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:40.960 I believe this because of what was said to Milton 1219 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:45.400 Curian by Harvey Oswald. So March twenty seventh, when Oswald 1220 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:47.719 is not supposed to be at youth house. Yet Milton 1221 01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:51.039 Curian meets with him. During this meeting, he will tell 1222 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:53.800 him he oh, and he describes Oswald as having been 1223 01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:57.639 about four foot eight, gaunt, skinny little kid, whereas we 1224 01:05:57.719 --> 01:05:59.639 have the school records of the really Oswald said he 1225 01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:01.679 was five at four one hundred and thirty pounds, you know, 1226 01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.559 so a totally different, you know, sized build of a person. 1227 01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:09.880 Harvey Oswald identified himself to Milton Curion as Harvey Oswald. 1228 01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:12.039 He said, my name is Harvey. This is like the 1229 01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:14.320 third or fourth what I call real time usage of 1230 01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:17.840 the name. And so what he tells Milton Currian is 1231 01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:21.159 that when they would get into a new area, a 1232 01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:27.599 new community, and this is a quote, knowing that he 1233 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:31.880 Harvey would ditch school and not go to school, his 1234 01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:36.360 brother would go in his stead, which made it increasingly 1235 01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:41.039 difficult for him to attend school. Okay, what brother are 1236 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:43.519 we talking about? Robert Oswald's five and a half years 1237 01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:47.440 older than Oswald. No possibility at all a sixteen year 1238 01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:49.360 old could go to school for an eleven year old 1239 01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:52.880 and get away with it. Ever, so what brother is 1240 01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:55.960 he talking about? Obviously he's talking about the brother that 1241 01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:00.719 could get away with it Lee Oswald. Right. John Armstrong 1242 01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:02.880 had a theory that Harvey Oswald kept going to school 1243 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:04.920 and then dropping out because he couldn't get the records 1244 01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:07.719 transferred like Lee Harvey like the Really Oswald had a 1245 01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.440 steady stream of the same records going from school to school. 1246 01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:12.880 But Harvey Oswald had to keep dropping out of school 1247 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.119 because he would go for a time, the records would 1248 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.119 never show up. They'd say, hey, your record's never showed up, 1249 01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:18.719 and you'd have to leave and go to another school, 1250 01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:23.039 and he would repeat that process. But that's why I 1251 01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:25.320 think they're brothers, because of what he said to Milton Curion, 1252 01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:28.760 combined with the fact that that would explain the overwhelming 1253 01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:32.679 similarities in appearance, including the little flat crook of the ear, 1254 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:36.800 the hairline, a whole lot of stuff. Right, So that's 1255 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:40.920 why I'm convinced that their brothers. But where were we 1256 01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:41.400 taking that? 1257 01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:45.760 And yet and yet it's Robert who has the dual 1258 01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:47.679 scar on the back of the year. 1259 01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.960 Yeah, I'm convinced that Robert Oswald impersonatedly at some point 1260 01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:55.119 in his life. This is another thing I think is 1261 01:07:55.199 --> 01:08:00.000 kind of weird. So it's apparent that Robert Oswald, Robert 1262 01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:04.079 Oswald Senior. Nobody knew him as Robert. Everyone called him Lee. 1263 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:06.960 When you reach the Warreant Commission, this is Lee's father, 1264 01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:10.840 we're talking, yeah, right, So everyone's testimony and Warren Commission 1265 01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:14.400 they are Lillian. Everyone who knew him they called him Lee. 1266 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:19.399 Robert Oswald is born, same exact name. From what I gather, 1267 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:22.760 he was called Lee also all the way up until 1268 01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:25.800 the time that Lee Harvey Oswald was born. So here's 1269 01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:30.159 an interesting story at the Bethlehem Orphanage. One of the teachers. 1270 01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:31.720 I don't know if I included this in the book 1271 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.439 or not. One of the teachers at the Bethlehem Orphanage, 1272 01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:39.760 when the FBI spoke to him, he told them that 1273 01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:44.600 he very clearly remembered Lee, and he remembered John Pick, 1274 01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:49.079 but he had no recollection of Robert at all. And 1275 01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:51.640 I think the reason for that is because Robert was 1276 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:55.359 going by the name Lee, and I think that that 1277 01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:58.359 ended up changing at some point in time. There is 1278 01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:02.800 much later after the assassinate there's I forget. This is 1279 01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:05.159 a story that was related to me. A reporter was 1280 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:07.840 with Robert Oswald in his house and was flipping through 1281 01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:10.600 some books that he had on his bookshelf, and she 1282 01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:15.600 opened one up and it was inscribed to Lee in 1283 01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:19.119 the book, and she asked him about it, and Robert 1284 01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:22.039 Oswald told her, Oh, he must have lent it to 1285 01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:25.199 Lee at some point in time. But I don't believe 1286 01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.920 that at all. I believe he went by Lee for 1287 01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:29.600 a period of time in his life, and that book 1288 01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:31.279 was given to him when he was went by Lee, 1289 01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:34.079 and that makes more sense than anything. What doesn't. What 1290 01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:37.159 I don't get is that, to me, would cause some 1291 01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:42.399 sort of existential friction. If my dad's name is Joe, 1292 01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:44.520 and I'm Joe Junior my whole life, and then all 1293 01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:46.359 of a sudden I have a brother and now he's 1294 01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:48.039 Joe and I got to go back to my other name, 1295 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.159 I would think there's some kind of resentment there, right 1296 01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:53.239 when that calls some kind of family friction. If all 1297 01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:54.720 of a sudden your name is stripped from you and 1298 01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:57.840 given your little brother like that would be a major problem. 1299 01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:00.600 I don't understand how that fits into the g Greater story, 1300 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.359 but to me, it feels like there's some major significance there. 1301 01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:11.560 You know, So Roberts is blatantly off skating line his. 1302 01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.960 Warrant testimony, right Yeah, So he gets out of the 1303 01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:20.399 Marines in July fifty five. In fifty three, he'll go 1304 01:10:20.439 --> 01:10:23.600 to Korea. No, in fifty three, he goes down to 1305 01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:25.720 Miami and then he comes. Yeah, he goes to Miami first, 1306 01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:29.039 and then he goes to Korea after Miami. In January 1307 01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:31.159 of nineteen fifty four, and this is in the book, 1308 01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:33.800 he starts to testify to the Warrant Commission that he 1309 01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:38.920 visited his family in New Orleans in January fifty four 1310 01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.479 and that he stayed with them at their place. They're 1311 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:44.479 not supposed to have a place in New Orleans and 1312 01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:47.439 January fifty four, because it's not until like the tenth 1313 01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:49.720 or that second or third week they get to New Orleans. 1314 01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:52.000 Then they stay allegedly with Lillian Mourett for a couple 1315 01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:56.720 of weeks, and then then the story goes haywire. But 1316 01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:00.079 we don't know where le Oswald and his mother are 1317 01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:03.159 in January fifty four. And then right as Robert is 1318 01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:06.199 about to be asked about that, Dulles cuts him off 1319 01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:09.159 and says, let's take a five minute break before he 1320 01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:12.159 can say, because where did he stay with him? Where 1321 01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:14.920 did he stay? Tell us where did he stay? Then 1322 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:17.439 when they asked the same question to Lillian Morett, she 1323 01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:20.600 gives a story about Robert coming and taking them all 1324 01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:23.560 over to exchange place. But that's not until July of 1325 01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:26.439 fifty five, when Robert gets out of the Marines. So 1326 01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:28.960 what was going on here? Where did they stay in 1327 01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:32.159 January fifty four? Why is everyone lying about it? How 1328 01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:34.439 does Dulles even know about it? To cut them off? 1329 01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:37.319 You see what I'm saying, Like, this is a cluster. 1330 01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:40.000 This is a cluster, And I'm telling you the reality 1331 01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:41.640 is we don't know where Lee and his mother were 1332 01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.680 from January to May at all. Million dollar reward if 1333 01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:46.399 anyone can tell me, I don't have a million bucks. 1334 01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:48.960 But you know what I'm saying. Do you think do 1335 01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:49.239 you think? 1336 01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:52.319 So? Tell me about why Robert Oswald was in Miami. 1337 01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:57.319 He was stationed at the secret CIA base at Opa Laca, 1338 01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.560 the base that they overthrew Our Bends and guatem Mala, 1339 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:03.159 and the base that they ended up launching and running 1340 01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:06.119 Operation Mongoose out of. Now this is in fifty three, 1341 01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:08.119 This is long before any of that stuff. But at 1342 01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:12.439 the time, Howard Howard Hunt was stationed out there, and 1343 01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:16.119 like this is the beginning of the way I see 1344 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:19.079 at that time period was kind of the beginning of 1345 01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:23.880 them starting to focus on on the Caribbean in the 1346 01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:26.279 Middle and like the Central America. Like this is when 1347 01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:27.560 that stuff was kind of building up. 1348 01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:32.079 Dulles certainly would have known Pbe's success and Oswald and 1349 01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:32.800 what was. 1350 01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:34.920 Going on in Miami when oh yeah. 1351 01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:38.399 He was getting speaking about that in his testimony. 1352 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:41.359 Right, So I don't. I see. That's another thing. I 1353 01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:44.039 really want to more understand the role of Robert Oswald 1354 01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:46.039 in this thing. How old was he when he got 1355 01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:50.079 pulled into this. I just some of these questions I 1356 01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:52.960 don't have answers to, and they and they're really I mean, 1357 01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:55.399 I think we need to know what Robert Oswald was 1358 01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:57.239 up to. I mean, I'm hoping that maybe one of 1359 01:12:57.279 --> 01:12:59.560 his kids will spill the beans and like maybe they 1360 01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:02.840 told him. I don't know, See, I don't. It's really 1361 01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:05.520 frustrating when you see people who are obviously in on it, 1362 01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:08.119 obviously lying, and now they're dead. What are we supposed 1363 01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:08.520 to do with that? 1364 01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:12.479 You know? Yeah, I know. And clock sticking, I mean, 1365 01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:15.760 you know this, You're you're kind of watching this whole 1366 01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:18.399 era fade away as you're trying to get a sense 1367 01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:20.399 of it, and it's just correct through your fingers. 1368 01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:24.880 Correct. Correct. So Robert Oswald, fortunately I pulled up I 1369 01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:28.600 got a subscription to search military records, and I verified 1370 01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:31.399 his military history. There's nothing out of place. Everywhere they 1371 01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:34.760 said he was, he was, you know, he was in Memphis, 1372 01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.880 he was in all the places that he was supposed 1373 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:38.760 to be. He went to Korea, like I checked his 1374 01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:42.079 I checked the diaries, and there's nothing unusual about his 1375 01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:44.840 time in the Marines unless they did some of that 1376 01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:47.760 you know, obfuscation stuff, because like anyone who did any 1377 01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:50.359 radar operator stuff, whether it was working on their machines 1378 01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:52.399 or running them or plotting board, any of that stuff, 1379 01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:55.680 that was all classified. And so everyone who did the 1380 01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:59.000 radar stuff at Biloxi it doesn't say Biloxi on their 1381 01:13:59.079 --> 01:14:02.479 on their paperwork, it says they were usually like mc Castco. 1382 01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:05.560 Which is casual company, which is like at the station headquarters. 1383 01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:07.880 They have ways of putting you on paper to where 1384 01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:09.319 you can go do something else, you know, and that's 1385 01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:11.359 what they did for everyone involved in the radar stuff. 1386 01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:13.520 So unless Robert Oswald has some of that stuff tied 1387 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:16.840 into with his record, it seems pretty above board. How 1388 01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:19.640 he got to be picked to go to Opa Laca 1389 01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:22.560 is I don't know. But there's another guy in the 1390 01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:26.000 Oswald story who ends up at Opa Laca, a guy 1391 01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:29.159 who's in the Marines with Oswald named Well. His name 1392 01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:32.119 is Alan Robert Feld. And this is a crazy, crazy 1393 01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:36.199 story about Alan Feld. So the two Oswald things is 1394 01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:38.960 going on. Oswald ends up going to the Marines October 1395 01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:41.479 twenty fourth, fifty six. This is where my second book 1396 01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:47.479 on Oswald starts. He will go to San Diego for 1397 01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:50.239 basic training and then he goes to Camp Pendleton for 1398 01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:55.880 individual combat training. While he is at Camp Pendleton, he's 1399 01:14:55.920 --> 01:15:00.279 there with a guy named Alan Robert Feld. I can 1400 01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:02.760 prove Alan Arfeld was there because I have his picture 1401 01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:06.079 in the in the in the the yearbook. But on 1402 01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:10.079 all the initial paperwork he's listed as Alexander Alexander d Feld. 1403 01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:13.079 He's not on there as Alan Arfeld. He's in there 1404 01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:15.640 as Alexander Defeld. Well, he had come forward and told 1405 01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:19.520 the FBI after the assassination that he was with Oswald 1406 01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:23.880 at Camp Pendleton and then they went to Jacksonville, and 1407 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:28.479 then from Jacksonville they both went to Memphis, okay, and 1408 01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:31.840 that after Memphis he ends up going to the CIA 1409 01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:35.239 base at Opa Laca. This contradicts the official story which 1410 01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:39.319 says that Oswald went from Camp Pendleton to Jacksonville, to 1411 01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:43.560 Biloxi and then to El Toro and then to Atsugi. Right, 1412 01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:46.319 So we have this contradiction here. I have pulled all 1413 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:50.800 of the Marine diaries for all this stuff. Alexander Feld 1414 01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:55.039 once he he's on the roster as Alexander D. Feld 1415 01:15:55.319 --> 01:15:57.560 all the way until he gets to Memphis. Then once 1416 01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:01.439 he gets to Memphis, he's back as Alan Robert Feld. 1417 01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:07.600 This directly the Marine diaries completely contradict the Marine yearbook, 1418 01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:11.399 which has Alan Arfeld's picture and it says his name 1419 01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:14.880 Alan Rfeld. So, this being a crazy story, what does 1420 01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:18.119 John Armstrong do? John Armstrong tries to track this guy down. 1421 01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:21.800 The Alan r Feld that the FBI tracked down and 1422 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:25.600 interviewed is actually not Alan Rfeld. It's Robert allen Feld. 1423 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:29.159 And he denied knowing anybody. Why they wasted their time, 1424 01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:31.840 I don't even know. So John Armstrong tracks this guy 1425 01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:37.000 down and he finds Alan r Feld had changed his 1426 01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:40.880 Social Security number but continued to live in the same 1427 01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:44.880 exact house that was on the official documentation for where 1428 01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:47.720 Alan Arfeld lived, and when he met him in person, 1429 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:50.239 Alan r Feld denied the whole thing and said, I 1430 01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:55.239 don't know what you're talking about. Refused to talk to Armstrong. Crazy. 1431 01:16:55.319 --> 01:16:58.600 Huh crazy. He's not the only person on the Marine 1432 01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:02.159 rosters with a different name. I found a couple other 1433 01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:05.560 people with different names on the roster from what they 1434 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:08.600 should be. So I don't know what's going on there. 1435 01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:10.720 I don't know if they group certain people together because 1436 01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:13.119 they were involved in intelligence. I'm starting to think that 1437 01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:15.359 a bunch of these guys get recruited into intelligence and 1438 01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:17.439 then they're told you have to go join the Marines, 1439 01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:20.760 like Kerrie Thornley. I'm convinced Kerry Thornley got recruited in 1440 01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:24.039 high school from the Voice of Democracy contest out in Whittier, California, 1441 01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:27.840 and then from there he joins the Marines his junior 1442 01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:30.279 year of high school, goes to basic training between his 1443 01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:31.560 junior and senior year. 1444 01:17:32.039 --> 01:17:32.239 You know. 1445 01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:35.159 And so I'm pretty convinced that they'll recruit these kids 1446 01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:37.720 from families or from whatever. They recruit them, and then 1447 01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:40.359 going into the Marines is the step one of their 1448 01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:42.720 official training, you know. 1449 01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:46.840 So all right, how deep into the deception was the 1450 01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:51.600 other brother, John Pick? And can you tie into We've 1451 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:55.199 all had our share of bizarre Thanksgivings, But tell me 1452 01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:56.760 about Thanksgiving nineteen sixty two. 1453 01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:01.359 Okay, so I'll get that Thanksgiving sixty two, but it 1454 01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:05.840 needs to be prefaced because John Pick and Oswald were 1455 01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:10.560 as close as brothers. They were never they never they 1456 01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:12.600 were half brothers. But that was never a thing in 1457 01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:14.840 the family that was never. It was never like, hey, 1458 01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:16.600 this is my half brother. It was like this is 1459 01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:18.399 my brother. It was just how they grew up together. 1460 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:22.079 It was just how it was. The last time that 1461 01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:25.000 John Pick will see Lee Harvey Oswald, the real Oswald, 1462 01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:30.239 will be around August, September, maybe October at the latest, 1463 01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:34.239 of nineteen fifty three. Okay, right after he moves out 1464 01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:37.479 of his place in Manhattan, moves to the Bronx, John Pick, 1465 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:39.239 when this is another thing I'll get to you here 1466 01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:41.840 in a second, John Pick will go and visit Oswald 1467 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:46.960 in the apartment in the Bronx, and that's the last 1468 01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.880 time he will see Oswald until Thanksgiving of sixty two. 1469 01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:54.560 Something I need to point out here. Robert Oswald claims 1470 01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:57.319 he didn't go to New York to visit them until 1471 01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:02.319 July of nineteen three, and this is when he will 1472 01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:04.520 take the picture of Harvey Oswald at the Bronx Zoo. 1473 01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:06.680 So this is the slam dunk proof that we know 1474 01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:10.560 he was involved with both Oswald families because he took 1475 01:19:11.119 --> 01:19:13.079 the real Oswald is his brother. But yet he's the 1476 01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:14.560 one who took the picture of the Bronx Zoo and 1477 01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:16.560 the one at the Bronx Zoo was clearly Harvey Oswald. 1478 01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:19.960 So the problem that we have is that John Pick 1479 01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:23.239 testified to the Warrant Commission that Robert Oswald actually visited 1480 01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:26.720 New York very shortly after Oswald had moved out of 1481 01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:28.319 the apartment to go to the Bronx. He said, within 1482 01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:31.800 a month. So he put Robert Oswald's first visit to 1483 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:35.359 New York in October or November of fifty three, because 1484 01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:37.720 all of them together went up to visit Oswald at 1485 01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:40.640 the apartment and building in the Bronx, including Robert Oswald. 1486 01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:45.760 Robert Oswald swears that his visit wasn't until July. Why 1487 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:48.359 is Robert Oswald involved in more lies? Why is it 1488 01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:51.279 important when he visited New York? I don't understand why 1489 01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:56.920 there's more lying here, but there is. And so John 1490 01:19:56.960 --> 01:20:00.560 Pick cannot be in on this identity transfer skis. He 1491 01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:05.239 can't be. He calls out every single every single time 1492 01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:08.239 there's a contradiction, he calls out the contradiction. So he 1493 01:20:08.319 --> 01:20:11.720 has shown the picture when he's testifying of Oswald at 1494 01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:16.359 the Bronx Zoo. He looked at the photograph and he says, Sir, 1495 01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:18.640 from this picture, I cannot tell you that this is 1496 01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:22.399 Lee Harvey Oswald. Well, guess who was able to identify 1497 01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:27.279 that picture. Milton Curion, the psychologist who only met Oswald 1498 01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:30.560 one time for a couple hours. He was able to 1499 01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:33.439 identify that picture at the Bronx Zoo as the kid 1500 01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:35.600 that he had met with as Lee Harvey Oswald as 1501 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:38.760 Harvey Oswald. Actually, he was able to identify that like 1502 01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:43.319 thirty years later to John Armstrong. So Milton Curion, a 1503 01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:45.600 guy who met this kid one time, could identify him, 1504 01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:48.600 but his own brother could not identify him as being 1505 01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:51.399 his brother. The photo at the Bronx Zoo is the 1506 01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:53.560 slam dunk to me proof. And I don't like the 1507 01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:55.840 word proof because even proof is only ninety nine point 1508 01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:58.319 nine nine nine is never one hundred percent right. You 1509 01:20:58.279 --> 01:21:00.199 can have a video of somebody shooting somebody that's not 1510 01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:02.880 one hundred percent. There's always something there, right, So as 1511 01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:05.199 close to proof as you can get is this photograph 1512 01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:08.039 of the Oswald or Harvey Oswald at the Bronx Zoo 1513 01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:11.119 that prefaces all the stuff that happened down in New 1514 01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:13.840 Orleans leading up to the Marines and just kind of 1515 01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:17.840 emphasizes and kicks off the fact that there were two 1516 01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:21.600 boys here that were both using the same identity. The 1517 01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:23.560 one thing that really bothers me about the whole thing, 1518 01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:26.319 It doesn't seem like this was managed very well at 1519 01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:30.680 the time. Why did they use the same freaking name? 1520 01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:33.640 You know, that had to be operational. If they had 1521 01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:35.560 just given one of the kids, if they had had 1522 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.720 given Harvey Oswald a totally fake name until until he 1523 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.920 was ready to, you know, defect, we wouldn't be having 1524 01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:44.279 this conversation because there wouldn't be contradictions in the record, 1525 01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:46.800 you know what I mean. So just the fact that 1526 01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:50.159 they used the same name screwed them, Like they were 1527 01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:53.359 so sloppy in everything, is this is the intelligence community 1528 01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:55.760 always sloppy? Is this how they operate? I mean, are 1529 01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:58.439 they just leaven slop everywhere for people to find. I 1530 01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:01.479 don't know, but it seems to be the case all 1531 01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:03.479 the way back then. This thing doesn't seem like it 1532 01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:05.960 was managed as professionally as it should have been, not 1533 01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:08.279 nearly as well thought out. 1534 01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:12.239 And you make a point that as a law enforcement officer, 1535 01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:16.279 if you were to make an air, that air doesn't 1536 01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:19.479 stay in your report. And we're seeing this all over right. 1537 01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:25.359 Yeah, so from my experience, and I'm pretty sure this 1538 01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:28.840 is how it is everywhere. When you write a report, 1539 01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:32.199 it's your report. You send it to a supervisor. He 1540 01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:36.359 doesn't have the authority legally to correct your report, even 1541 01:22:36.359 --> 01:22:38.439 if it's just a missing comma or a period. And 1542 01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:40.680 I work for an agency that was really really big 1543 01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:42.880 on grammar. You screwed up your grammar, you got your 1544 01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:46.199 report kicked back to you every time. And so yeah, 1545 01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:49.079 if I put in a wrong name, you know, part 1546 01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:51.800 of the supervisor's job is to verify the names in 1547 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:53.880 the name section against what you put in the report, 1548 01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:56.039 and if there's even just a spelling error, it gets 1549 01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:58.760 kicked back to you. We got about close to one 1550 01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:03.479 hundred documents that say Harvey the Oswald even in handwriting, 1551 01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:11.159 right years after the assassination, and when I when I 1552 01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:14.920 found all these documents from Defense Intelligence Agency, Marine G 1553 01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:22.159 two NI customs, you name it, it became brutally obvious. 1554 01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:28.239 Everybody knows. Everybody knew. Everybody who's anybody, including the Warrant Commission, 1555 01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:31.960 knew that there were two Oswald's. They knew it because 1556 01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:35.279 that's what they were protecting. When they're going in there interviewing, 1557 01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:38.039 why do you think they called in what was their name, 1558 01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:42.720 Lilian Bootaree? Lillian Bootaree was the daughter of mister and 1559 01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:47.640 missus Thomas Roach, who lived with Oswald allegedly in forty 1560 01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:51.920 two at the Congress address. What does that have to 1561 01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:56.279 do with the assassination? Absolutely nothing. When they called them in, 1562 01:23:56.680 --> 01:23:59.520 they called them in to clarify timelines. And why would 1563 01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:02.039 they could do that because in forty one and forty 1564 01:24:02.039 --> 01:24:04.319 two is when we're dealing with those major conflicts in 1565 01:24:04.359 --> 01:24:08.840 Marguerite Oswald's timeline. So they're calling people in and they're 1566 01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:10.720 asking them about stuff that's got nothing to do with 1567 01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:14.880 the assassination, because they know all this stuff that I'm 1568 01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:18.439 telling you, and they're trying to make sure who knows 1569 01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:22.039 what and when that's what they're doing, Hey, was Oswald 1570 01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:25.560 right handed or was he left handed? Why are you 1571 01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:31.079 asking that? Right? Like, when you finally come to understand 1572 01:24:31.119 --> 01:24:33.000 that they were well aware of the two Oswald and 1573 01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:35.640 you go back and you read the testimony, particularly people 1574 01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:39.439 like Merle and Julian Evans and the woman who lived 1575 01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:43.000 above them at one twenty six exchange place, it's obvious 1576 01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:45.520 they knew what the deal was and they're formulating their 1577 01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:50.680 questions to verify to themselves who knew which Oswald. That's clear. 1578 01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:52.600 Like when you start to read some of this stuff, 1579 01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:54.359 you're like, oh my god, that's exactly what they're doing. 1580 01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:56.880 They're feeling out who knew which one? 1581 01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:01.520 Paul, you're talking about the actual Warren Commission. 1582 01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:08.600 Yeah, Albert Jenner, Yes, what tells me? Here's what I 1583 01:25:08.600 --> 01:25:12.640 I'm promising you. There is a secret Warrant Commission report somewhere. 1584 01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:17.840 We have the official story. I promise you, somewhere there 1585 01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:20.640 is an unofficial story that talks about all this and 1586 01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:24.039 how they need to navigate around it. This is how 1587 01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:26.560 bureaucracy works. When you're dealing with a team of people 1588 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:28.359 who have to keep this thing under wraps. They have 1589 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:31.600 to have communications that are beyond top secret, and then 1590 01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:34.359 they had to Eventually all that stuff needed to be 1591 01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:38.239 compiled into some sort of preliminary report to let us know, Hey, 1592 01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:39.880 this is how we're going to shape the narrative based 1593 01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:42.920 on this, right, So somewhere is a report where they 1594 01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:44.960 talk about this stuff has to be, has to be 1595 01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:49.039 because that is how bureaucracy works. So but yeah, all 1596 01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:51.520 the everyone knew about it. Maybe Dallas police didn't know, 1597 01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:53.840 you know, maybe certain people at the FBI didn't know, 1598 01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:55.840 But when it came down to it, the people at 1599 01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:59.239 the core of the analysis of this thing, they all knew. 1600 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:02.479 I mean, how else are you going to get two 1601 01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:04.680 different guys with the same name running through the Marines 1602 01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:10.880 the same time without Marine G two coordination, You're not gonna. 1603 01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:16.000 So the work that the Warrant Commission did, then, you conclude, 1604 01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:19.960 is less interested in the actual mechanics of the assassination 1605 01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:23.439 than it is put it getting the timeline right about Oswald. 1606 01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:27.880 Yeah, yeah, for sure. Now do I think that the 1607 01:26:29.239 --> 01:26:31.239 do I think the Warren Commission knew who pulled the 1608 01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:34.920 triggers and stuff? Well, they had a lot of the 1609 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:37.720 David Ferry stuff. They knew all about David Ferry, and 1610 01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:40.560 I'm sure they had a lot of the documents of 1611 01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:46.399 the New Orleans stuff and that all got squashed. Right, 1612 01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:48.520 they have to be exposed to the information to know 1613 01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:52.319 what to squash. And so just like the nine to 1614 01:26:52.359 --> 01:26:55.279 eleven Commission, just like the Nuremberg trials, just like every 1615 01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:57.960 other you know, we haven't had the COVID Commission yet. 1616 01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:01.079 I'm still hoping that comes. But these things are all 1617 01:27:01.159 --> 01:27:03.359 like they have their answer before they start, and they 1618 01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:05.279 just have it's about formulating how to get to the 1619 01:27:05.319 --> 01:27:06.600 where they you know, how do they want to get 1620 01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:07.159 to their answer? 1621 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:10.920 Right? So right, it always had to be that guy 1622 01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:15.520 that window, that building, that rifle, and yeah, that was 1623 01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:20.279 the objective, right formulate. So when you see the famous 1624 01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:28.079 photograph of David Ferry and Lee Oswald having a barbecue together, Wow, 1625 01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:31.199 that who is that? 1626 01:27:31.199 --> 01:27:33.319 That's interesting? That's the really Oswald. And this is kind 1627 01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:35.279 of fascinating because at this point, and you know, it's 1628 01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:39.239 the really Oswald. How do we know this? Because Harvey 1629 01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:41.720 Oswald and his mother, we have the clear path of 1630 01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:46.239 them leaving one twenty six exchange place in October, going 1631 01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:49.119 to Tu Serah Thomas Place in Fort Worth, him going 1632 01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:51.119 to Strippling, and then all the testimony of people who 1633 01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:55.359 knew him at Monig So this entire time, Harvey Oswald, 1634 01:27:55.439 --> 01:27:59.640 he's over in Fort Worth. So it's the really Harvey 1635 01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:01.960 Oswald who's dealing with David Ferry and ed Via Bell 1636 01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:06.560 and probably Barry Seal who was in David Ferry's caap 1637 01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:13.600 in fifty six. So my boy, my boy Jim thinks 1638 01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:15.560 that Barry Seal might be in that photo. We just 1639 01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:17.640 don't know which one it is. It's possible because Barry 1640 01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:21.000 Seal confirmed he was in that group. So but yeah, 1641 01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:23.680 it's definitely the real Oswald there. And so then what 1642 01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:26.800 happens after that we get into let me see, we're 1643 01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:29.880 in the summer. Then we get into like fall of 1644 01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:33.800 fifty five, and here we have even more contradiction with 1645 01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:38.399 the school record because we have Okay, so the official 1646 01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:41.680 story says that Lee Harvey Oswald will attend Warren east 1647 01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.960 In High School in New Orleans, but he'll only go 1648 01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:47.840 for like a couple of weeks and then he'll drop out, 1649 01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:50.760 and then allegedly he's out of school for the rest 1650 01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:55.119 of that year. But then he starts school again in 1651 01:28:56.039 --> 01:29:00.800 whereas in Arlington High School in fifty six for like 1652 01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:04.640 two months until he goes to the Marines. Well, that 1653 01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:07.239 doesn't seem right to me at all, doesn't seem right 1654 01:29:07.239 --> 01:29:10.600 at all. I don't recall what the school records say. 1655 01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:13.920 But Oswald himself, when he was on the Latin American 1656 01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:20.760 radio show in WDSU, he says himself he went to 1657 01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:24.319 Warren Easton High School for over a year. Okay, So, 1658 01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:26.960 which is funny because the person who said that most 1659 01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:29.079 certainly didn't go to Warren Easton High School at all, 1660 01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:31.239 because that's Harvey Oswald and he's over in Fort Worth. 1661 01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:35.239 But then when John Armstrong went and talked to guys 1662 01:29:35.279 --> 01:29:42.800 like Frank de Benedetto at Two Jaigues, he said that 1663 01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:45.039 Oswald lived in New Orleans and worked for him at 1664 01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:46.560 two Jagues all the way up until the time he 1665 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:49.359 left for the Marines, which we have to assume is 1666 01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:52.479 in October of fifty six. But we've got Oswald at 1667 01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:55.039 Arlington High School in Fort Worth this whole time, right, 1668 01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:57.319 and so, and then you get the weird statement about 1669 01:29:57.399 --> 01:29:59.439 him having gone to Warren Easton for over a year, 1670 01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:01.000 which would makes sense, but it would have been the 1671 01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:02.760 other Oswald who was there for over a year, which 1672 01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:05.000 means there is a coordination of stories going on. There's 1673 01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:07.239 most certainly a coordination of story is going on at 1674 01:30:07.239 --> 01:30:10.600 some point. But again, Oswald, on his handwritten biography that 1675 01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:12.520 he did in the Soviet Union, he said that he 1676 01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:14.479 was in Fort Worth from fifty four to fifty six. 1677 01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:17.720 Where does that fall into the story? That negates everything 1678 01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:21.159 that happens in New Orleans? Right? So what is going 1679 01:30:21.199 --> 01:30:21.600 on here? 1680 01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:21.920 Right? 1681 01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:26.600 The evidence of two people is just overwhelming. It's just NonStop. 1682 01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:28.760 It never goes away. If you look at an angle 1683 01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:30.680 you think is going to be kosher turns out not 1684 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:33.600 to be kosher at all. There's something else more to 1685 01:30:33.680 --> 01:30:35.760 the story. And then when you get to the Marines, 1686 01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:38.319 there's even some information that might show that Oswald could 1687 01:30:38.359 --> 01:30:40.840 have possibly joined the Marines and left the Marines in 1688 01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:45.319 July not October, which that I'm going to cover in 1689 01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:46.800 the second book. I need to do some more digging. 1690 01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:50.800 But yeah, the official story of Oswald and the two Oswald's, 1691 01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:53.720 it never ends. It never ends. And I don't know 1692 01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:55.680 what happens in Russia, but it doesn't end all the 1693 01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:57.680 way throughout his time in the Marine Corps up until 1694 01:30:57.680 --> 01:31:01.279 September fifty nine, and to me, the most stunning piece 1695 01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:05.199 of the most stunning piece of the puzzle is the 1696 01:31:05.199 --> 01:31:08.760 photograph taken at the passport office September tenth, fifty nine 1697 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:09.640 in Los Angeles. 1698 01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:12.079 Let me ask, because that's my last question, and then 1699 01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:14.159 we're gon we're gonna have a few kind of fun 1700 01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:16.439 questions at the end of here. My last question about 1701 01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:20.000 this is, so, why was the photograph of Osweald entering 1702 01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:21.239 the Marines kept secret? 1703 01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:27.239 That's a good question that photograph. When you look at 1704 01:31:27.239 --> 01:31:29.399 the photograph of Oswald when he joined the Marines, it 1705 01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:33.359 was taken December of fifty six. I forget the exact 1706 01:31:33.399 --> 01:31:35.880 day it was December of fifty six, Maybe it's twenty eighth. 1707 01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:40.399 That is most certainly not the guy arrested on November 1708 01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:42.960 twenty second, And I think it's obvious from that picture 1709 01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:45.800 it's not the same guy. There are some pictures where 1710 01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:48.119 they look very much alike, and there's some pictures where 1711 01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:53.439 they look very much different. Yeah, that doesn't look anything 1712 01:31:53.479 --> 01:31:55.439 like the guy arrested on November twenty second, But you 1713 01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:58.319 know who it does look like. It looks exactly like 1714 01:31:58.359 --> 01:32:00.920 the guy who was on the passport photo. And it 1715 01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:03.760 looks exactly like the guy that Robert Oswald photographed on 1716 01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:06.439 the Mercer farm when they went squirrel hunting or whatever. 1717 01:32:07.319 --> 01:32:12.880 So it's clearly two people the photographic evidence alone, it's 1718 01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:15.920 all in the chin, like the really Oswald has a 1719 01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:18.880 very strong, solid, like almost a ball chin, and then 1720 01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:21.640 the other one has like a wider chin. I mean, 1721 01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:26.159 it's all over the pictures of Oswald, especially once he's arrested. 1722 01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:29.359 All the pictures of Oswald once he's arrested and November 1723 01:32:29.399 --> 01:32:32.560 twenty second, you compare those to those early pictures of Oswald, 1724 01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:35.960 it is not the same guy. And then well, why 1725 01:32:35.960 --> 01:32:37.840 are they doing all this? Why are there two Oswalt 1726 01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:41.600 in the first place? And I would call this a 1727 01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:45.600 pre Cold War plot to get a spy in the Soviet. 1728 01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:47.319 Union, pre Cold war plot. 1729 01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:50.720 Yeah, forty one is pre Cold War. Well, I mean, 1730 01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:52.520 if you want to get super technical, you could start 1731 01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:55.399 to say that the Cold War began with World War Two. 1732 01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:57.199 You could start to say that because we were really 1733 01:32:57.279 --> 01:32:59.840 plotting against the Russians while we're working with them. Of 1734 01:33:00.159 --> 01:33:03.760 what a bunch of scumbags we are. So but yeah, 1735 01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:07.119 this is a pre Cold War experimental plot. That's why 1736 01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:08.600 there's so many holes in it. That's why there's so 1737 01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:11.279 many contradictions in the documents. This is a ways and 1738 01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:15.039 means kind of thing. This is a tradecraft thing that 1739 01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:18.319 they would go to any length to hide. Everyone knows 1740 01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:20.840 they do body doubles and stuff, but nobody knows the details, 1741 01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:23.920 and they don't want the details ever getting out because 1742 01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:26.039 I have no doubts. Look at half the pictures of 1743 01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:29.880 Osama bin Laden. That ain't Osama bin Laden, right, Okay, 1744 01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:32.239 They've used body doubles forever, and I feel like if 1745 01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:33.760 this were to come out, it would come out on 1746 01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:36.600 a large scale, and then everyone would draw everything into question. 1747 01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:39.880 You know, once you prove the government's using body double stuff, 1748 01:33:40.319 --> 01:33:43.279 like all of the all the pictures of politicians we 1749 01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:45.439 look at and go, hey, that's a body double, would 1750 01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:51.079 suddenly become quite realistic, Like didn't Johnson have a body double? 1751 01:33:51.159 --> 01:33:53.920 J bird Peck? Didn't he have his cousin sit in 1752 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:55.079 for him in a bunch of places? 1753 01:33:55.600 --> 01:33:59.640 Like? You know? And man, that's interesting because there's when 1754 01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:02.920 Milk here is on the voice recording that Willie Somerset 1755 01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:05.800 recorded about the you know, there's gonna be a high 1756 01:34:05.920 --> 01:34:09.319 rise building shot from a high rise building. He mentions 1757 01:34:09.359 --> 01:34:12.880 how the president has all these body doubles, believe it 1758 01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:15.560 or not, you know, which is fascinating. And you have 1759 01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:22.439 a body double that you claim in Ruby's scenario. Yeah, 1760 01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:27.000 and so an honest investigation would have would have exposed 1761 01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:35.520 these incredible holes in this experimental plot. Yeah, yeah, did Garrison? 1762 01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:40.239 Was he in a was he barking up this tree? Oh? 1763 01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:44.079 Yeah, So Garrison was, yes, because Garrison was going through 1764 01:34:44.079 --> 01:34:46.680 the documents and he's finding out that everyone's saying Oswald's 1765 01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:48.760 a different height, like the Oswald that came back from 1766 01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:51.600 the Soviet Union on the PaperWorks that he was five 1767 01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:55.079 ft six, which is weird because there's a photo of 1768 01:34:55.159 --> 01:34:58.239 Marina and Oswald standing on a bridge in the Soviet 1769 01:34:58.279 --> 01:35:01.720 Union where Oswald is not towering over her like you 1770 01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:04.039 should be. If Oswald was five foot nine and she's 1771 01:35:04.039 --> 01:35:06.720 five foot one, there should be a huge gap there 1772 01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:08.960 and there isn't, which draws into question what the hell 1773 01:35:09.039 --> 01:35:10.720 was going on in Russia. I'm anxious to get to 1774 01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:15.800 Russia because there's Shenanigan's a foot but he was he 1775 01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:19.680 was convinced that well, he believed the impersonations began in 1776 01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:22.039 the Marines, and. 1777 01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:23.920 So Rickson believed that. 1778 01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:26.840 Garrison believed that. Yeah, and so this is the most 1779 01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:29.439 this is the most damning thing. The photograph that you 1780 01:35:29.479 --> 01:35:32.720 just showed that's Oswald joining the Marines, and that's in December. 1781 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:36.800 He's five foot nine inches tall, which is obvious because 1782 01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:40.760 the ball behind him says five foot nine inches tall. Okay, yeah, 1783 01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:45.159 exactly exactly five foot nine. When he leaves the Marines 1784 01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:48.680 in September, his paperwork will say that he's seventy one 1785 01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:53.800 inches tall, which is five foot eleven. Okay, five foot eleven. 1786 01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:56.199 I'm assuming there's another picture like that that they get 1787 01:35:56.199 --> 01:35:57.800 on the way out the door that we've never seen. 1788 01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:03.039 Every document of Oswald post has returned from the Soviet Union, 1789 01:36:03.079 --> 01:36:06.039 and the photographs in everywhere show that he's five foot 1790 01:36:06.119 --> 01:36:09.079 nine inches tall. What did the guy shrink two inches? 1791 01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:12.600 I don't think. So this is more evidence of the 1792 01:36:12.680 --> 01:36:17.840 dual Oswald plot for sure. And this is what Garrison 1793 01:36:17.880 --> 01:36:22.720 picked up on. And yeah, so there's a there's a 1794 01:36:22.880 --> 01:36:27.720 specific document from Garrison. It's titled Heights of the Oswalds, 1795 01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:28.920 and that's. 1796 01:36:29.079 --> 01:36:32.279 That's in the back in the Yeah, document section of. 1797 01:36:32.279 --> 01:36:35.279 The book Heights of the Oswald's and it's got statements 1798 01:36:35.319 --> 01:36:37.640 from all kinds of different people who knew Oswald at 1799 01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:40.600 a different height. So I'm going to say it right now, 1800 01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:44.399 I will be extremely surprised if the really Harvey Oswald, 1801 01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:47.840 who's five foot eleven inches tall, I will be very 1802 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:53.560 surprised if he appears in Russia at all. Although Eileen 1803 01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:56.359 Mosby said the Oswald she met with was five foot eleven, 1804 01:36:57.079 --> 01:36:59.159 which doesn't make sense because the Oswald she met with 1805 01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:02.880 clearly five foot nine, So why would you say five 1806 01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:04.520 foot eleven. I don't know, But. 1807 01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:07.239 What I did see. 1808 01:37:08.079 --> 01:37:10.399 I did see a picture recently of Oswald and the 1809 01:37:10.399 --> 01:37:13.600 Soviet Union that just struck me as the real Oswald, 1810 01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:18.279 like the body, the gate, the height, the facial features, 1811 01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:21.680 the hairline. So I would be shocked if the really 1812 01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:25.239 Oswald is there. But it seems like if the really 1813 01:37:25.279 --> 01:37:27.760 Oswald is there and Harvey Oswald is there, we have 1814 01:37:27.800 --> 01:37:32.399 some major government shenanigans going on, including the Russians. 1815 01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:38.399 If he wasn't there, Lee Oswald, the true Oswald born 1816 01:37:38.439 --> 01:37:41.840 of that. This is get on right here that we're 1817 01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:47.239 talking about, right what happened to him? 1818 01:37:47.479 --> 01:37:49.680 The last we know of him in September tenth, nineteen 1819 01:37:49.720 --> 01:37:53.399 fifty nine. Although this is where we get some more contradiction. 1820 01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:58.399 There are at least two indicators that Oswald left the 1821 01:37:58.439 --> 01:38:02.119 Marines in July, not Aber, which doesn't make any sense 1822 01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:03.600 to me because he would have had to flown back 1823 01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:05.880 to la to get his photograph taken September tenth at 1824 01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:10.279 the passport office. But Robert Oswald initially his initial statements 1825 01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:15.720 of the FBI, he told them that when Lee got 1826 01:38:15.760 --> 01:38:19.119 out of the Marines, he came to Fort Worth and 1827 01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:23.680 stayed with him for four months before he left for 1828 01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:28.960 Europe and the Soviet Union. Four months. I have that, 1829 01:38:29.600 --> 01:38:32.119 I have the document, so what is And then we 1830 01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:34.920 have a document from the guy who handled records at 1831 01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:37.159 the Marines. When the FBI went to go pull documents, 1832 01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:40.720 he pulled a document that said that Oswald had left 1833 01:38:40.760 --> 01:38:44.800 the Marines in July. So the statement from the guy 1834 01:38:44.840 --> 01:38:46.680 in the Marine, the sergeant in the Marines who handled 1835 01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:50.359 the staffing, his statement kind of corresponds with Robert Oswald's 1836 01:38:50.359 --> 01:38:52.880 initial statement that Oswald had been there for four months 1837 01:38:52.920 --> 01:38:56.800 before leaving to the Soviet Union. But we how do 1838 01:38:56.840 --> 01:38:59.520 we account for the September tenth photograph on the passport 1839 01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:02.479 can't account for that if the July statements are true. 1840 01:39:03.520 --> 01:39:05.880 So I don't know. All I know is there's obfuscation. 1841 01:39:06.600 --> 01:39:08.319 And if you were to make a map of all 1842 01:39:08.359 --> 01:39:10.960 the obfuscation over Oswald's time in the Marines, it would 1843 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:11.600 be NonStop. 1844 01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:17.560 So well, you make the point that the research requires a. 1845 01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:22.239 Timeline, requires so many times you'll be trying to figure 1846 01:39:22.279 --> 01:39:23.800 something out in a split second. You put it into 1847 01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:26.239 an actual chronology, things will start to make a whole 1848 01:39:26.239 --> 01:39:26.840 lot more sense. 1849 01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:31.600 So I hope people if they've stuck with us, and 1850 01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:34.279 if you haven't, then I have some Easter egg questions 1851 01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:36.720 for Corey. But if you've stuck with us, then you 1852 01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:41.079 would know that Corey isn't interested in Mexico City or 1853 01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:47.279 the typical Oswald material that distracts from what's going on 1854 01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:50.479 the whole life leading that before we you know, as 1855 01:39:50.520 --> 01:39:53.479 a child from from the cradle is essential. 1856 01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:55.840 Well, there's some there's some interesting stuff. I'm interested in 1857 01:39:55.880 --> 01:39:58.279 a couple of things, not obviously not involving Oswald. But 1858 01:39:58.640 --> 01:40:00.520 to me it's pretty obvious Carrie only was the one 1859 01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:03.359 who went down to Mexico City and when you start 1860 01:40:03.399 --> 01:40:07.039 to dig into, like I guess among Oswald's possessions were 1861 01:40:07.039 --> 01:40:10.199 like flyers for like bullfighting or something like that in Mexico. 1862 01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:16.079 God years ago. I dug into the bullfighters down there, 1863 01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:19.560 and there's like that's all connected to some spy ring 1864 01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:22.319 to stuff, like the bull ring stuff was and the 1865 01:40:22.399 --> 01:40:25.039 highlight the bull the bull stuff and the highlight stuff 1866 01:40:25.119 --> 01:40:30.119 was somehow connected to this this spying industrial complex. I 1867 01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:32.199 just remember reading it and like it just it just 1868 01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:35.359 kept coming up, the bullfighting and the highlight and an 1869 01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:38.760 unrelated subject studying in Mexico City. So I'm convinced that 1870 01:40:38.800 --> 01:40:41.720 they're involved in some kind of thing. You know, when 1871 01:40:41.720 --> 01:40:42.960 you're a spy and you go out of town on 1872 01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:45.520 the thing, you're not going to do any recreation. You're 1873 01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:47.800 doing spy stuff. So I don't see them taking the 1874 01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:49.920 time to go to some highlight match just for the 1875 01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:50.520 hell of it, you know. 1876 01:40:51.039 --> 01:40:57.359 Yeah, yeah, So you know, when do we expect volume two? Then? 1877 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:02.560 January February tops. I was trying to get it out 1878 01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:04.880 by the end of this year. I just keep getting 1879 01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:09.760 distracted because I'm working on so many different things right now. 1880 01:41:09.840 --> 01:41:13.239 What has you know, we spoke a few months ago, 1881 01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:20.319 pretty well received video on a Warning from History. Is 1882 01:41:20.319 --> 01:41:22.680 there anything that you want to share about about that 1883 01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:27.600 book since we've last talked. I'm just curious about, as 1884 01:41:27.640 --> 01:41:32.079 have you? Has the community been responsive to what you've 1885 01:41:32.119 --> 01:41:34.680 been putting out there, Corey or I'm just going to 1886 01:41:34.760 --> 01:41:37.600 say this, Do they mock you in person? Or is 1887 01:41:37.640 --> 01:41:38.600 it just behind your back? 1888 01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:45.840 Probably just behind my back, But so I often feel 1889 01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:51.159 like I'm just screaming into the wind and not really 1890 01:41:51.199 --> 01:41:53.239 getting anywhere. I've been doing this for almost I mean, 1891 01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:55.600 I've been a historian for almost eleven years. I've been 1892 01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:59.119 doing Kennedy for seven plus. You know, at some point 1893 01:41:59.159 --> 01:42:02.359 in time, here's what's gonna happen. I'm gonna be dead 1894 01:42:02.399 --> 01:42:04.960 for like twenty years, and someone's gonna discover my book, 1895 01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:08.039 and then the whole thing's gonna pop long after I'm gone. 1896 01:42:09.039 --> 01:42:12.560 But it's really difficult, man, because I see people come 1897 01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:15.119 up into Kennedy world who have like done nothing, which 1898 01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:19.199 is crazy to me. I don't understand what makes I 1899 01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:21.199 don't understand what makes people make it or not make 1900 01:42:21.239 --> 01:42:23.520 it because I watch people's videos that just straight suck 1901 01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:25.600 and they got thirty thousand views on it. I'm like, 1902 01:42:25.600 --> 01:42:27.760 what the fuck is this about? You know what I mean, 1903 01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.880 It's like, this doesn't make any sense to me. I'm 1904 01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:32.960 a little abrasive, and I can be a little abrasive, 1905 01:42:33.880 --> 01:42:36.960 but that shouldn't matter if you care about the truth. 1906 01:42:37.399 --> 01:42:40.079 And but I don't know. I've said I send my 1907 01:42:40.079 --> 01:42:42.680 books out to all kinds of people. Recently, I said, 1908 01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:45.439 I've been talking to Matt Crumpton, who does that solving JFK. 1909 01:42:46.560 --> 01:42:48.399 He's a little more open to my work, but he 1910 01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:50.640 hangs out with like Jefferson Morley in that crowd, So 1911 01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:53.399 I don't know what to expect from that. Jefferson Morley 1912 01:42:53.479 --> 01:42:57.359 is a gatekeeper one hundred percent. I ain't skulling bones 1913 01:42:57.399 --> 01:42:59.800 and Cia I'll kiss his ass in Macy's front window, 1914 01:43:00.319 --> 01:43:05.680 you know. So, Uh, the Kennedy Research space doesn't seem 1915 01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:07.359 like it's full of people who care about Kennedy. It 1916 01:43:07.520 --> 01:43:09.760 seems like it's full of people who care about getting clicks. 1917 01:43:10.279 --> 01:43:11.359 And that's frustrating to me. 1918 01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:14.199 What would it take? What would you? I mean, what 1919 01:43:14.239 --> 01:43:16.600 do you want to see? I mean, do you really 1920 01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:19.399 expect I know you were trying to get this to Luna? 1921 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:29.239 I mean, can the tie turn on this case. Well, 1922 01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:29.760 here's the thing. 1923 01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:31.880 The reason I don't think we're ever gonna get anything 1924 01:43:31.880 --> 01:43:34.079 from the government, because even though it's a long dead government, 1925 01:43:34.199 --> 01:43:36.600 like we're sixty years past your government that was in 1926 01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:38.600 place at the time, there should be no connections and 1927 01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:41.199 we're never going to get anything because ultimately, when it 1928 01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:43.600 comes out that the United States murdered its own president 1929 01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:47.479 with the help of a foreign nation, that will impugne 1930 01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:54.199 American prestige. Right, they still have plausible deniability. They still do. 1931 01:43:54.319 --> 01:43:56.119 They can still say Lee, Harvey Oswald did it. We 1932 01:43:56.119 --> 01:43:59.119 don't know what you're talking about. They can't ever let 1933 01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:03.079 anything out that will say otherwise, because like I said, 1934 01:44:03.399 --> 01:44:08.840 American prestige is everything. So you know, it doesn't matter 1935 01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:10.600 if it was another government. It doesn't matter if it 1936 01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:13.319 was another government sixty years ago, because it's still America 1937 01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:15.479 and we just they'll never let it out no matter, 1938 01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:18.279 no matter what. And then it'll obviously lead to all 1939 01:44:18.279 --> 01:44:20.399 the spycraft stuff and they definitely can't have that get out. 1940 01:44:20.439 --> 01:44:22.279 That's national security issue stuff. 1941 01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:25.960 Correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, there's an there's 1942 01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:29.720 a maybe an under fifty age group our generation and 1943 01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:35.399 up and coming who are more receptive to what you're 1944 01:44:35.520 --> 01:44:38.479 arguing what you found. 1945 01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:40.039 Right, correct. But and I look at people like Dan 1946 01:44:40.119 --> 01:44:42.880 Bongino and Cash Pattel who were like, gung ho, we're 1947 01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:44.479 going to tell you the truth people, and then they 1948 01:44:44.479 --> 01:44:48.640 get in the government and it's like Epstein killed himself, right, 1949 01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:52.560 Like something happens when you get there, and I don't 1950 01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:55.720 know what that is. I think they're brought into the scope. 1951 01:44:56.439 --> 01:44:58.560 They don't have to be brought into specific details on 1952 01:44:58.600 --> 01:45:01.479 the assassination. They just have to be let in on 1953 01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:06.159 the overarching implications and what that'll do for American prestige 1954 01:45:06.199 --> 01:45:08.720 moving forward. And I think that's all it takes. 1955 01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:14.279 You're also chipping away at a kind of legacy mentality. 1956 01:45:14.600 --> 01:45:18.359 For instance, when you go to Dallas, there's the trolley 1957 01:45:18.399 --> 01:45:20.840 tour and it's going to take you over to the highlights, 1958 01:45:20.880 --> 01:45:23.000 which is always have to do with Oswald. 1959 01:45:22.680 --> 01:45:24.279 Right, I did it. I loved it. It was fun. 1960 01:45:25.279 --> 01:45:27.560 But that's what you're tipping. You're reading. You're reading where 1961 01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:31.479 Tippett was shot, right, and you got the the plaque there, 1962 01:45:32.039 --> 01:45:37.840 and it's telling future generations what the official story is. 1963 01:45:38.359 --> 01:45:42.079 That's right, that's all of that needs to you know. 1964 01:45:42.159 --> 01:45:44.199 I don't know, do someone have to buy the rooming 1965 01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:46.680 house and and then have to and then you know, 1966 01:45:46.760 --> 01:45:49.640 someone who knows what's going on there and has to 1967 01:45:49.680 --> 01:45:53.640 read orient people's mind because you're really you know how 1968 01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:57.279 hard that is to shift perspective. Yeah, that's what you're 1969 01:45:57.279 --> 01:45:58.079 going up against. 1970 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:03.680 Yeah, well, you know, yeah, And so I don't think 1971 01:46:05.960 --> 01:46:11.239 I don't think that it'll ever be accepted what really happened, 1972 01:46:12.520 --> 01:46:14.560 no matter what to point out, like to me, the most, 1973 01:46:14.760 --> 01:46:19.479 to me, the single biggest piece of absolute proof of 1974 01:46:19.600 --> 01:46:24.239 conspiracy is McIntire photo number two, which in my opinion, 1975 01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:28.319 clearly shows, beyond all doubt, David Morales and Jack Valenti 1976 01:46:28.359 --> 01:46:30.079 on the side of the Secret Service car heading to 1977 01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:37.600 Parkland Hospital. That is the entire assassination in a single photograph. 1978 01:46:37.880 --> 01:46:39.920 I don't see how there's anybody. Do you know the 1979 01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:40.800 photo I'm talking about. 1980 01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:43.319 I do. It's kind of it's a why it's a 1981 01:46:43.359 --> 01:46:48.039 long shot. I mean, it's these gentlemen are pretty far away. 1982 01:46:48.079 --> 01:46:49.680 You need to really well. 1983 01:46:49.520 --> 01:46:51.920 You you're talking about MacIntire one. I'm talking a McIntire two. 1984 01:46:52.279 --> 01:46:54.439 McIntire two is the close up of the Secret Service car, 1985 01:46:56.239 --> 01:46:59.760 and that photograph clearly is not Landis and READI on 1986 01:46:59.800 --> 01:47:02.000 the side out of the Secret Service car. I once 1987 01:47:02.079 --> 01:47:05.239 you acknowledge, and I got Matt Crumpton from solving JFK 1988 01:47:05.520 --> 01:47:07.760 the other day to acknowledge that is not ready on 1989 01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:09.159 the side of the car. It is not reading in 1990 01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:11.159 landis on the side of the car. The split second 1991 01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:13.479 you acknowledge it's not reading in landis, you have to 1992 01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:18.319 acknowledge everyone in the Secret Service car lied everyone, including 1993 01:47:18.840 --> 01:47:25.079 Kenny O'Donnell, including Dave Powers, Kennedy's alleged best friend who 1994 01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:28.960 drank himself to death in nineteen seventy seven. He sat 1995 01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:30.600 there in the car while they picked up the damn 1996 01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:32.840 shooter on the noll and drove to Parkland Hospital. And 1997 01:47:32.880 --> 01:47:35.000 then Jack Vilnni gets to park On Hospital and plants 1998 01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:37.319 the original magic bullet from an infield three oh three, 1999 01:47:37.560 --> 01:47:39.640 which will then be later swapped out by the FBI 2000 01:47:40.119 --> 01:47:41.800 for what we now know is the magic bullet. 2001 01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:46.079 So what was your reaction two years ago or in 2002 01:47:46.159 --> 01:47:49.079 November of twenty five from the sixtieth anniversary there was 2003 01:47:49.119 --> 01:47:52.800 a book that came out last witnessed by Paul Landis Yeah, 2004 01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:55.520 good service agent. What was your take Corey. 2005 01:47:55.439 --> 01:47:58.800 That guy's a fucking he's alive. He's a fraud. He 2006 01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:03.399 could be tried tomorrow for conspiracy, conspiracy to commit murder 2007 01:48:03.520 --> 01:48:06.800 because he was definitely involved in the assassination plot. The 2008 01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:08.479 fact that he would come out of the woodwork like 2009 01:48:08.520 --> 01:48:10.439 now after all these years and say that he planted 2010 01:48:10.479 --> 01:48:13.000 the magic bullet is the dumbest story of all time. 2011 01:48:13.399 --> 01:48:17.239 It's totally unplausible. We know the real history of the 2012 01:48:17.239 --> 01:48:20.840 magic bullet. The official story of the magic bullet is 2013 01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:23.039 that it was this carcano round that hit all these 2014 01:48:23.079 --> 01:48:27.479 bones and didn't leave a damn dent. No reading Josiah 2015 01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:30.800 Thompson six seconds in Dallas, you'll learn that Opi Wright 2016 01:48:30.840 --> 01:48:33.119 and Darryl Thomlinson found the original magic bullet and that 2017 01:48:33.239 --> 01:48:35.800 it had a pointed tip. It had a pointed tip. 2018 01:48:37.279 --> 01:48:41.119 Opi Wright told Josiah Thompson that it was had a 2019 01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:42.680 pointed tip just like this, and he had one in 2020 01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:44.319 his desk drawer because he was a hunter, and he 2021 01:48:44.359 --> 01:48:46.000 pulled one out and he showed it to him. He said, 2022 01:48:46.039 --> 01:48:49.239 this is the bullet, exactly the same bullet. And so 2023 01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:52.479 the bullet ended up going from Richard Johnson Secret Service 2024 01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:57.439 to the head of the Secret Service over to the FBI, 2025 01:48:58.359 --> 01:49:00.880 and then the FBI did the swap, and then the 2026 01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:05.640 FBI fabricated reports about the magic Bullet saying that Tomlinson 2027 01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:08.199 and Wright confirmed the bullet they had was the magic bullet, 2028 01:49:08.199 --> 01:49:12.920 that they found totally false statement. They fabricated reports. God, 2029 01:49:12.960 --> 01:49:15.600 I forget the name of the FBI agent who went 2030 01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:18.239 down to do the follow up interviews, but when he 2031 01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:20.279 was interviewed about his follow up interviews, he's like, I 2032 01:49:20.279 --> 01:49:23.000 never did any follow up interviews. I never handled any bullet. 2033 01:49:23.039 --> 01:49:25.039 I don't know what you're talking about, right, So the 2034 01:49:25.079 --> 01:49:29.119 FBI is guilty in swapping the bullet and fabricating all 2035 01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:30.039 the stories surrounding it. 2036 01:49:31.840 --> 01:49:34.439 You know, I think it's just probably a coincidence. But 2037 01:49:34.600 --> 01:49:38.000 Landis is a northeast Ohio guy out of Cleveland, and 2038 01:49:38.159 --> 01:49:39.760 I think he's still there on the east side of 2039 01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:43.479 Cleveland Sugar Heights and be interesting in Crumpton, who went 2040 01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:49.000 to the rival High School of Ferry and myself might 2041 01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:53.800 might have an insight on that. But you know, so 2042 01:49:53.880 --> 01:49:57.760 you yeah, you just completely just debunk debunk Landis. 2043 01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:03.800 And it's clearly when you look at the photograph of 2044 01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:07.600 McIntyre one you can clearly see where landis. Is landis 2045 01:50:07.640 --> 01:50:11.079 is in the middle of O'Donnell and Dave Powers in 2046 01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:13.680 the second row, and you can tell us he's he 2047 01:50:13.800 --> 01:50:16.760 like just got there because his back is facing he's 2048 01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:19.960 facing totally sideways, which means he probably just hopped in 2049 01:50:20.039 --> 01:50:22.319 and was still in the process of getting settled when 2050 01:50:22.319 --> 01:50:23.720 that photograph got snapped. 2051 01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:28.840 So well, you know, we'll wrap it up here with 2052 01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:32.880 you mentioned the foreign power and a gentleman. After you 2053 01:50:32.920 --> 01:50:36.439 mentioned thank you. By the way, the Israel Ponds video, 2054 01:50:37.319 --> 01:50:39.920 I got a comment from an individual that said, very interesting, 2055 01:50:40.479 --> 01:50:44.319 opened my eyes to what you're saying. I will continue 2056 01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:50.319 though too. I will remain convinced that Israel is yet 2057 01:50:50.359 --> 01:50:58.359 another foreign military camp essentially for the US, so he 2058 01:50:58.600 --> 01:51:02.399 can't came down on the CONCLUSI and that it's just working. 2059 01:51:02.520 --> 01:51:08.960 It's just another arm of American military, whereas the argument 2060 01:51:09.079 --> 01:51:12.920 that we're saying is it's coming the other way around. 2061 01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:16.680 And Corey, I think you know with work that's being 2062 01:51:16.720 --> 01:51:22.159 done about even how the Epstein case can tie back 2063 01:51:22.199 --> 01:51:25.520 to the assassination Robert Maxwell, for one, who was in 2064 01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:29.600 Czechoslovakia on Hagan always illegally running arms. By the way, 2065 01:51:30.479 --> 01:51:36.640 against the US. This could still this still has some legs, 2066 01:51:38.359 --> 01:51:43.000 so there's a movement there, but potentially that at least 2067 01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:45.760 a ground swell might be able to a pro Palestinian 2068 01:51:46.239 --> 01:51:47.159 contingent as well. 2069 01:51:47.880 --> 01:51:52.680 Did you and the guys ever, determine who Irwin Hayman's 2070 01:51:52.720 --> 01:51:58.439 Texas contact who trained the Haganah was. That's the connection 2071 01:51:58.520 --> 01:52:05.199 to clay Shaw in Dallas. That so I have on 2072 01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:09.359 good authority clay Shaw was in Dallas with Irwin Hayman. 2073 01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:15.560 Then once you put Hayman in the US, my contact 2074 01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:20.000 who knows about this won't tell me anything. Basically said, 2075 01:52:20.800 --> 01:52:26.439 good job. Now find his Texas friend who trained the Haganah. 2076 01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:29.960 That person who trained the Haganah is the connection from 2077 01:52:30.159 --> 01:52:32.520 Irwin Hayman to clay Shaw and the person that clay 2078 01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:35.920 Shaw was in Dallas with. Dr We're trying to figure 2079 01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:36.960 it out. 2080 01:52:36.960 --> 01:52:39.840 Was, but we've spoken of this. I want to get 2081 01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:41.760 this out on the record. Though clay Shaw was on 2082 01:52:41.800 --> 01:52:42.920 the West coast. 2083 01:52:42.560 --> 01:52:45.680 Corey, Oh, he doesn't show up on the West coast 2084 01:52:45.720 --> 01:52:49.199 till the twenty fifth. He has no alibi for nothing. 2085 01:52:49.960 --> 01:52:53.520 He was on that he was allegedly on that train. No, 2086 01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:57.520 uh huh. So the controversy was because he allegedly showed up. 2087 01:52:57.640 --> 01:52:59.479 The story had always been he showed up like the 2088 01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:02.279 day or over the day before the assassination, but no, 2089 01:53:02.439 --> 01:53:04.600 I determined he showed up on the twenty fifth. So 2090 01:53:04.640 --> 01:53:11.680 he doesn't have any alibi. And so I don't how 2091 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:15.880 do I say this? On the David Ferry trip to 2092 01:53:16.319 --> 01:53:19.199 alleged trip to the Winterland and all that stuff, there's 2093 01:53:19.239 --> 01:53:23.800 a phone call made and I can't remember if on 2094 01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:27.039 that trip they said that they went to Alexandria. I 2095 01:53:27.039 --> 01:53:30.600 think they did so boboof could see his parents or 2096 01:53:30.640 --> 01:53:34.840 something like that, because they lived in Alexandria Louisiana. There's 2097 01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:39.840 a there's an airport in Louisiana in Alexandria. And also 2098 01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:43.520 if you dig far enough, you'll find there's a hotel 2099 01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:47.520 in Alexandria that the FBI did a ton of digging 2100 01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:52.159 into reference to the assassination, and only about one page 2101 01:53:52.159 --> 01:53:55.640 of this turned up in Garrison's files. But somewhere is 2102 01:53:55.680 --> 01:53:59.000 a deep dive into this hotel in Alexandria that the 2103 01:53:59.079 --> 01:54:02.760 FBI did in reference to David Ferry's trip. I believe 2104 01:54:03.479 --> 01:54:08.199 that Alexandria is somehow tied to Clay Shaw and his alibi. 2105 01:54:09.199 --> 01:54:11.359 I can't figure out what, but my gut instinct is 2106 01:54:11.399 --> 01:54:13.760 telling me that Alexandria stuff has to do with Shaw, 2107 01:54:14.079 --> 01:54:17.640 and he has his parents live there also, so there's 2108 01:54:17.640 --> 01:54:21.199 something there. I don't know what. And I'm still having 2109 01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:24.600 some issues piecing together some of the Galveston trip, like 2110 01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:26.760 what did they do on telephone Road? They did something 2111 01:54:26.800 --> 01:54:29.479 on telephone Road according to bo Booth they went to 2112 01:54:29.479 --> 01:54:32.880 some restaurant there. But no, because there's a whole other 2113 01:54:32.960 --> 01:54:34.920 aspect of the Galveston trip that I can't seem to 2114 01:54:34.960 --> 01:54:39.279 stumble across, involving Sid Toarante and a guy named Monte 2115 01:54:39.319 --> 01:54:42.399 de Monte. Monte de Monti does a big article on Monty. 2116 01:54:42.399 --> 01:54:44.000 You know who Montey Demonty is if you start any 2117 01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:46.399 of that stuff. Monte de Monti was like some sort 2118 01:54:46.439 --> 01:54:52.359 of mobster slash card shark slash hustler that somehow gained 2119 01:54:52.359 --> 01:54:56.119 some kind of notoriety in Hollywood. And he was dating 2120 01:54:56.159 --> 01:55:01.000 this stripper who did the Jack Ruby circuit named god 2121 01:55:01.359 --> 01:55:05.000 I can't even remember her name. But he ends up 2122 01:55:05.039 --> 01:55:08.119 getting He's living in Oak Cliff and he ends up 2123 01:55:08.159 --> 01:55:12.119 getting a job to go down to Galveston to help 2124 01:55:12.239 --> 01:55:17.439 Jack Ruby. And this is all during David Ferry's alleged 2125 01:55:17.439 --> 01:55:20.800 Galveston trip. But it's never any clarification of what Monty 2126 01:55:20.840 --> 01:55:23.920 Demnte did. And you have the reference to the to 2127 01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:26.640 the restaurant on Telephone Road. But then I determined that 2128 01:55:26.680 --> 01:55:28.680 there was one of these strip clubs that Monte de 2129 01:55:28.760 --> 01:55:32.319 Monte's girl was dancing at on Telephone Road. So I 2130 01:55:32.319 --> 01:55:35.159 don't know if that's involved. There's a lot of little, tiny, 2131 01:55:35.199 --> 01:55:40.560 minuscule nuggets of data surrounding stuff that happened in Houston 2132 01:55:40.600 --> 01:55:44.600 and Galveston that Saturday that I'm dying to get to 2133 01:55:44.600 --> 01:55:46.600 the bottom of that I can't. I don't know how 2134 01:55:46.680 --> 01:55:48.720 much it impacts the story. I think it more has 2135 01:55:48.720 --> 01:55:51.520 to do it getting people moved around. But yeah, there's 2136 01:55:51.520 --> 01:55:54.560 this little tidbits man that just ooh, I'm dying to know. 2137 01:55:55.479 --> 01:55:58.199 Yeah, and we'll meet up again, Corey and chat Moore 2138 01:55:58.239 --> 01:56:01.199 stay on the line. Okay, Thanks love for being with me, 2139 01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:02.319 Thanks for having me