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<v Speaker 1>And this is Michael Rosenbaum Alex Luthor, and you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Always hold on to Smallville.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Always hold On to Smallville. In this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about each and every episode of the Young

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<v Speaker 2>Superman show that ran from two thousand and one to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven on the WB and the CW. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Moore, and we're back with another Top ten episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, we are determining the top ten episodes of

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<v Speaker 2>Smallville as voted by you, the listeners, and this time

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<v Speaker 2>the number two entry Justice Justice is an iconic episode.

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<v Speaker 2>If you search Smallville online, you're gonna come up with

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<v Speaker 2>three images. Clark Kent from the pilot with the S

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<v Speaker 2>on his chest strung up in the cornfield, the very

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<v Speaker 2>last shot of the series with Clark ripping open his

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<v Speaker 2>shirt to reveal the Superman costume running towards camera, or

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<v Speaker 2>the cool Guys don't look at explosions. Shot of Clark

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<v Speaker 2>and the Proto Justice League walking away from the Luther

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<v Speaker 2>Core facility as it explodes. You have Clark Kent, Green Arrow,

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<v Speaker 2>the Flash, Impulse, Aquaman, and Cyboard. This episode was an event,

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<v Speaker 2>still is an event.

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<v Speaker 3>You look back.

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<v Speaker 2>What other on screen Justice League things were there? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the failed Justice League of America pilot from nineteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 2>It is out there to find. I do not recommend

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<v Speaker 2>watching it. It is terrible. But other than that, you

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<v Speaker 2>had the Challenge of the Superheroes kind of a TV

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<v Speaker 2>special with Adam West and Bert Ward returning as Batman

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<v Speaker 2>and Robin. Those are interesting curiosities from the seventies, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's more of a sketch TV show special. They did

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<v Speaker 2>two of those. But other than those things, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the first time these DC comics characters sand some notable

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<v Speaker 2>exceptions like Batman, Wonder Roman, Greenlantern, we know they were

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<v Speaker 2>not available to be used. So this was the Justice League.

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<v Speaker 2>Predates the Marvel Cinematic Universe, it predates the DCEU, it

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<v Speaker 2>predates the DCU right an animation. Those guys with the

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<v Speaker 2>DC Animated Universe were killing it. The gold standard Justice

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<v Speaker 2>League and Justice League Ulimited, which are apparently two different

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<v Speaker 2>TV shows, but totally nail what the Justice League is

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<v Speaker 2>all about. But in live action. This is the first

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<v Speaker 2>and still one of the best, and to see it

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<v Speaker 2>small villified, but like in the best way. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times we use that as a derogatory.

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<v Speaker 2>You think of things like mister Mixus Pedelic or death Stroke,

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<v Speaker 2>for example. You put the Justice League through the Smallville filter,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the difference between something like the Jeff Johns

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<v Speaker 2>episodes later in the series, right where it's the Comics

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<v Speaker 2>coming to Smallville. Right, it's the Legion of Superheroes, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the Justice Society, it's Booster Gold. It's literally stepping out

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<v Speaker 2>of the common Book into the world of Smallville. Those characters,

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<v Speaker 2>those ideas, those teams. Here, it's Smallville going to the comics.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Hey, we have these characters. We've established them

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<v Speaker 2>all the Flash, Impulse, Aquaman, Cyborg, They've all had their

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<v Speaker 2>own individual episodes before this. Of course, Green Arrow has

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<v Speaker 2>been a recurring guest star the first half of season six,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're not just meeting them for the first time

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<v Speaker 2>here in this episode. They have pre established relationships. The

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<v Speaker 2>interplay between them and Clark, it feels like a payoff

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<v Speaker 2>to what you've been watching. Was this payoff necessary? No,

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<v Speaker 2>because those individual episodes are some of the best episodes

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<v Speaker 2>of the show, right, the Cyborg Aqua run, those are

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<v Speaker 2>some of the best episodes of Smallville, and they would

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<v Speaker 2>still be if they didn't team up in this Justice episode.

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<v Speaker 2>But it feels like a culmination of things level thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three point one activity with Lex here. We get some

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<v Speaker 2>micotic stuff right with him and capturing Impulse and him

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<v Speaker 2>in Green Arrow's confrontation, and this is you know, season

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<v Speaker 2>six is the height of Lex Luthor's villainy on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I've said that over the years on the podcast and

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<v Speaker 2>between what he's got going on here and what he

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<v Speaker 2>does to Lanta, absolutely this is the height of his villainy.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, he does kill Lionel in season seven, so

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<v Speaker 2>that is a that is a definite it's up there.

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<v Speaker 2>Killing your own father is definitely on the list there.

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<v Speaker 2>But Lex Leer does some evil, evil things, and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the villain here, right, So we have our superhero team,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a super villain. Is there a physical confrontation? No,

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<v Speaker 2>But the way this episode plays to the strengths of

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<v Speaker 2>all the characters that we know, the personalities, it just

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<v Speaker 2>works so well. And as I recall, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>first episode of Smallville that Lana Lang is it in

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<v Speaker 2>that Kristen Kirk isn't in, and you know, Lona gets

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<v Speaker 2>a bad rap, I think on the show. So I

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<v Speaker 2>feel bad that so often we're like, well, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>silly A lot of scenes in this episode, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>a plus, you know, It's it is unfortunate because that's

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<v Speaker 2>a character who we all love when the show started,

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<v Speaker 2>and they did not know what to do with her,

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<v Speaker 2>as became the case with Chloe after her and Lois

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<v Speaker 2>in reverse, you know, like if you follow my thinking here, right,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't know what to do with Lana after a while,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't know what to do with Chloe after a while.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't do what they want to do with Lois

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<v Speaker 2>for a while. So she actually her reverse character trajectory

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<v Speaker 2>plays to her favor because she becomes more and more

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<v Speaker 2>than lowis we always wanted obviously in those last three

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<v Speaker 2>seasons where characters like Lana and Chloe they just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fizzle out, they like outlive what their characters were.

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<v Speaker 2>And so anyway, I say that here in season six

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<v Speaker 2>to say, yes, this is the first episode with Allana

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<v Speaker 2>as I recall again, unless I'm forgetting another episode she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in, but I can't think of any So I

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<v Speaker 2>feel bad that it's like, yes, finally an episode with

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<v Speaker 2>Alana one of the best of the show according to

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<v Speaker 2>all the number two episodes of the show. So I

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<v Speaker 2>just I do want to say that the writing let

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<v Speaker 2>her down. Kristen Kirk's a great actress. Alana was a

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<v Speaker 2>good character until they started doing some crazy stuff with her. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>all that to say, this is a great episode. It

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<v Speaker 2>deserves to be in the top ten episodes of Smallville.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's look back on what we gave justice on

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<v Speaker 2>the letter grade scale. On the podcast Proper Justice had

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<v Speaker 2>myself and John Lee Brody. I gave it an A

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<v Speaker 2>plus and John gave it an A plus, So there

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<v Speaker 2>you go again. Can't get much higher than an A plus.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally cannot scientifically get higher than an A plus on

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<v Speaker 2>the letter grade scale. So here on the top ten Episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>I once again joined by Lance Laster from Always Hold

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<v Speaker 2>On to Arrow. Now, due to scheduling, we could not

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<v Speaker 2>assemble the majority of our panel, so Lance and I

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<v Speaker 2>recorded together and Victoria Malee, Matt Schruix from Wilson Clark

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<v Speaker 2>to the new podcast of Superman and many of the

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<v Speaker 2>podcasts here on the Always Hold On To network and Patreon,

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<v Speaker 2>and Matthew Rocca. The three of them all sent in

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<v Speaker 2>individual thoughts to contribute to this episode, so a little

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<v Speaker 2>different than the converse sational format we've been doing here,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to make sure that everyone's voices and

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<v Speaker 2>opinions were heard for this one. So without further ado,

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<v Speaker 2>let's discuss the number two episode of Smallville Justice.

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<v Speaker 4>What would you do if one day you realized someone

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<v Speaker 4>close to you it's been keeping.

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<v Speaker 5>The biggest secret of val hiding is true identity from everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>He supposedly cares out people.

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<v Speaker 5>Keep things private for a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to spend the rest of my life with you.

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<v Speaker 5>Will you marry me?

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<v Speaker 6>Chloe?

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<v Speaker 7>Lex proposed something wouldn't let me say yes?

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<v Speaker 1>You knew she was vulnerable, and you played her until

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<v Speaker 1>she thought she was in love with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Must be killing you.

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<v Speaker 1>That she's hesitating, you see. I highly doubt she'll say no, Clark.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm pregnant. Clark.

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<v Speaker 4>You said that you'd take a love of me anymore,

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<v Speaker 4>and I tried to cut everything off. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>made that way.

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<v Speaker 7>Lex.

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<v Speaker 3>Luthor's building an army.

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<v Speaker 5>He's starting a war.

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<v Speaker 8>You can't let that happen.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't worry, my team's on it.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's go save the world.

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<v Speaker 6>Small Fair All new episodes Thursdays at eight seven Central

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<v Speaker 6>on the new CW.

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<v Speaker 2>Justice. Does this surprise you? Its placement on the top

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<v Speaker 2>ten list? Not on the top ten list?

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<v Speaker 3>I think?

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll talk a better buy his list here in

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<v Speaker 2>a second. Yeah, but I think most people who are

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<v Speaker 2>fans of small Ball, and even most people who aren't,

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<v Speaker 2>they know.

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<v Speaker 3>About this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they would say, yeah, that's a top ten episode.

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<v Speaker 2>But being number two does that surprise you at all?

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<v Speaker 2>It's so hot?

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<v Speaker 1>Being number two surprises me. Being part of the top

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<v Speaker 1>ten does not.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think I think there are better episodes now,

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<v Speaker 1>not very many because it was part of my top ten,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are better episodes. So again, like it's placement

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<v Speaker 1>in the top ten, I'm not questioning. I am questioning

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<v Speaker 1>it being two because I don't think, in my personal opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that this is the second best episode

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<v Speaker 1>of small though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so let's go through our top ten list. Justice

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<v Speaker 2>ranked seventh on my Top tens. It ranked tenth on

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<v Speaker 2>her top ten list, A true bubble episode for lanceover

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<v Speaker 2>There Right Victoria, it ranked eighth on her list. Roca

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<v Speaker 2>ranked it ninth on his list, and Matt Truex yet

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<v Speaker 2>again leaving these top episodes off of his top ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Justice is nowhere to be found on his list. He

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<v Speaker 2>did put Absolute Justice.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's an interesting thing. I have Absolute Justice higher

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<v Speaker 1>on my personal.

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<v Speaker 2>You have Absolute Justice fifth, and I have Absolute Justice ninth.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Trux has Absolute.

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<v Speaker 2>Justice as eighth on his list, and Roca Victoria do

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<v Speaker 2>not have it on their list. So for those listening

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<v Speaker 2>at home, Justice is the one with the green Arrow

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<v Speaker 2>and Impulse and Ackaman and Cyborg. Yes, and Absolute Justice

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<v Speaker 2>is the two parter in season nine with.

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<v Speaker 3>The Justice A side.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we kind of got it right. It's

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<v Speaker 1>part of the top ten, but not part of the

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<v Speaker 1>top half.

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<v Speaker 2>It's part of the you know, right, everybody here who

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<v Speaker 2>had it on their list had on the bottom half.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think a reason why that is it's a

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<v Speaker 2>great episode, but it's not Smallville in its DNA correct

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<v Speaker 2>now that this is unrecognizable and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>continuity payoffs here, right, so that goes a long way.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, these were turning characters alone, it's huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's honestly, that's the biggest deal.

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<v Speaker 2>To see these interactions of these characters, and it is like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a superhero episode. It's almost and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like a backdoor pilot for a Justice League show,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of what they were thinking. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they always they're always thinking about these like it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>so weird that we've talked about this, but you look

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<v Speaker 2>at a show like this and you're like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>Green Arrow was on the show Flash Gone, Flash was

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<v Speaker 2>on this show. Aw Come man Cybarc All these characters.

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<v Speaker 2>all these characters that have shows, or there'd be a

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<v Speaker 3>They throw in the Angel of Vengeance. Yeah, just whoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Else they got. That's a great point. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>promise Christian Kirk's nine in this one. There's all I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many other characters it wouldn't go to be

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<v Speaker 2>in place for her. You know, Martha gets you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, where does it all go? You're you eat

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<v Speaker 2>more than Clark and you're half his size.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, hey, Barbi, what your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>then Clark immediately comes here, we'll do it her Bart.

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<v Speaker 1>Clark is yeah, He's like cut the cut, the act.

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<v Speaker 2>like means no means business. No, he's no nonsense. It

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<v Speaker 2>means storming into places. He's treating everybody like lex AND's

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<v Speaker 1>Lionel too, but then Lionel hits it with the information

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<v Speaker 3>Storms my call. I know, Well Clark been at Lionel.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about Linel. So where suspenders.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's old man, Lionel man, and he's getting older.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just funny to see him with suspenders. He's wearing

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<v Speaker 2>glasses too, which is which is new. I thought they'd

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<v Speaker 2>That's not because I mean, like season one and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>he had glasses, but you don't only see him with

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<v Speaker 2>like when he's in prison in season four though. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but they randomly decide to have lionelhigh glasses, which is

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<v Speaker 3>He needs something to do. That's probably why he has

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<v Speaker 2>Probably Sean Glover's actual classes.

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<v Speaker 3>He just brings some layers.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey man, dude's a beast.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Lionel playing all the angles in this episode, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's like, you know, he knows about thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>point one alexis doing trying to stay on that side,

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<v Speaker 2>investigating stuff lectures from this picture. He thinks it's Clark,

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<v Speaker 2>as he would, you know, because who else would you

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he doesn't know anybody else that doesn't you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting that Clark protects park secret with everybody, because the

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<v Speaker 3>Correct Clark shows up, He's like, oh, what happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Here, and so he sees Barton. He chases him, but

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool. He's like, oh, you're got faster than me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. Yeah, well he tells her later.

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<v Speaker 3>He finally comes cleaning, right, but he's keeping a secret.

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<v Speaker 2>He's keeping a secret. Linel was like, oh is spurs? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>of course Clark doesn't tell him. It's nice that he respects,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the secret.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, well, well that's kind of one of the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger things with this episode for me. Why it resonates

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<v Speaker 1>with me, like after seeing it again recently, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for this podcast. You know, a big thing that goes

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<v Speaker 1>on in this episode is Clark joins the fraternity essentially

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode, right, And you know, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>how many of you out there are in a fraternity

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<v Speaker 1>or in a sorority, but like there's something special about

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<v Speaker 1>a group of individuals coming together with the same common goal,

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, similar to like, you know, very similar to

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<v Speaker 1>like a sports team. Like they refer to themselves as

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, the team, right, and they all played

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<v Speaker 1>their role, they all sorted to function, you could see,

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<v Speaker 1>like Clark even like falls in line and like follows

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver's lead and a lot of aspects. And so when

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<v Speaker 1>you think about the Justice League, the Avengers, the X Men, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>they are a family. They're a team. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the ones that where it's you know, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the male dominated ones, like it's a fraternity, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>like it and it represents the good aspects of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand all the you know this this you know

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<v Speaker 1>the stereotypes and the stuff that go along with it

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<v Speaker 1>because you know a lot of that it's true, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are even those moments in this as well, like

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<v Speaker 1>Like everybody's ripping on each other. Like you know the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that everybody has nicknames these little tiny things, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It makes it different jackets to say a com Well,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see they don't have line jackets, but they all

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<v Speaker 1>have they all have have uniforms, right and so and

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<v Speaker 1>good gets.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of crap for these hoodies and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's I think it's very reasonable. I agree

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<v Speaker 2>like mine. It makes sense, yes, but it's true. Hoods

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<v Speaker 2>it messes up you know, facial identification software.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's really smart.

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<v Speaker 2>And then eyes, I mean, like, yeah, it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna wear like masks and stuff because I

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<v Speaker 2>think a Domino mask. Everybody knows that Robin Dick Grayson,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes exactly, Yeah, that's what And that's why one of

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<v Speaker 2>the more recent Robin costumes has a hood.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, that's why Damian Wayne has a hood. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Although in Batman Dark Victory, he's like, lose the hood,

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<v Speaker 2>you're Robin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, no, not. It was an all star Batman.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sure, yes, I think it's Victory.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not all right, but yeah, Clark basically joining a

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<v Speaker 1>fraternity here is pretty cool. Just the superhero action of

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<v Speaker 3>We are having my hands Dark Victory.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna be in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Loobe and Tim sayle it's.

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<v Speaker 1>All star Batman and Robin Frank Miller. I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 1>right now what it is. See, this is what this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Listeners pull, you know, pulling back the curtain even further.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what happens a lot. I'm right about something.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes to check, and then it proves that I'm right.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't find the page at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's not in Dark Victory.

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<v Speaker 2>And on page three seventy nine, Batman says, what is

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<v Speaker 1>That's all He's says, rob keep one. It's not in

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<v Speaker 1>Robin ear one. I love this. Speaking of hoods, Robin

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<v Speaker 1>does have a hood in the Arkham Games, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're speaking about like the Domino mass. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the appropriate thing for Robin to wear would be something

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<v Speaker 1>like what the Winter Soldier wore, like if he had

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<v Speaker 1>He's looking again now he has Now he has his

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<v Speaker 1>copy of Robin Year one, which, by the way, they

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<v Speaker 3>You know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't own also Batman Robin because I like comic books,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, and it's a funny thing. I don't own it either,

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<v Speaker 2>Did you sell your shoes? Yeah, because I've read your

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<v Speaker 2>right out with part two of that. No, explain why

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<v Speaker 2>Grayson turned to a mutant and strikes again. No, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we're getting way off face here.

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<v Speaker 1>So it ends with them prying at like at the grave.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what That's what it ends. Well, anyway, I'm right,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody back.

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<v Speaker 2>On the show. Hoods right, Oliver Queen in this Justin Hartley.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just doing his Justin Harlly thing. He doesn't what

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<v Speaker 2>who does best?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? And that's one of my favorite friends lying in

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<v Speaker 1>Right, what I'll do best? I think I say that

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<v Speaker 1>to you like in like text, like all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>about the curtain.

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<v Speaker 2>More this episode. It is his last appearance on the

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<v Speaker 2>seven to set up his romance with the black canary,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes Siren, and then they decide not to do that

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't end up with a black canary. Small hold

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<v Speaker 2>did it first? So he winds up with a blonde

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<v Speaker 2>tech girl. I love the scene where he's like, well

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<v Speaker 2>we should go on a break and she's like, well

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<v Speaker 2>do you what do you mean like to you other people?

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<v Speaker 2>And and I think he really didn't mean going to break.

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<v Speaker 2>you friends references.

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<v Speaker 3>Pivot we were all all break we were all all

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<v Speaker 3>break friends references for all you out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, oh, well, I meant like you and

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<v Speaker 2>me want to break together and we go to vacation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great, that's classic. I do this stuff all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Put them out there. It doesn't go well.

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<v Speaker 2>Just you spin, you pivot, you adapt, turn your handicap

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<v Speaker 2>into a handy able to go jeff lie. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>that was just a funny scene. And yeah, and so

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<v Speaker 2>he and He's gone. They go to save the world

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<v Speaker 2>after this. Yes, and then you're like, oh, well, surely

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<v Speaker 2>they'll show up in the season finale to fight phantom

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<v Speaker 2>z Owners. You know, yeah, but but but no, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a tightian comic book that shows their adventures. Also, I

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<v Speaker 2>love how you know, Oliver's like, what the hell are

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<v Speaker 2>we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Clark?

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<v Speaker 2>Basically I had something else going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I had another problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I do love the exposition dumpson here and watching these

429
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<v Speaker 2>out of context, it is helpful. I'm not gonna lie like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all about arc storytelling. Smavel had a pretty good

431
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<v Speaker 2>balance of the continuing the story but yet episodic where

432
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<v Speaker 2>you can watch things in a vacuum. They still work,

433
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<v Speaker 2>right Because Clark and Chloyer catch up in the barn,

434
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<v Speaker 2>He's like, well, you know, with.

435
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<v Speaker 3>The Phantom's owners, and like, oh yeah, coming.

436
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<v Speaker 2>On, and you know, a couple of reverences Salana and

437
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<v Speaker 2>Lex being engaged. So whenever Clark has interact with other

438
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<v Speaker 2>heroes is great. They lean heavily on his relationship with Bart. Yes,

439
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<v Speaker 2>you know, they spent a lot, like the first part

440
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<v Speaker 2>of the episode is about that, which is great because

441
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<v Speaker 2>that was such a.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was a strong relationship. But also like they

443
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<v Speaker 1>had to like reconnect because they haven't seen him in

444
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<v Speaker 1>two years, right, and I doubt they've like kept in

445
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<v Speaker 1>touch and like sent emails or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it shows like this when characters show up,

447
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<v Speaker 2>it's like they're like sometimes they've been in contact. Both

448
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<v Speaker 2>times they haven't because if they had been in contact,

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<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't be thinking, oh what have you been doing?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

451
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<v Speaker 2>But you need that on screen, you do so.

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<v Speaker 1>And like and he has that moment like quickly like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like with the other heroes later, like when

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<v Speaker 1>they're in in the Oliver's loft, My.

455
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<v Speaker 3>Team's already on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, team team, and like you know, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the famous Jet Jackson shows up and and uh you

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<v Speaker 1>know Hawk, Yeah, like he shows up and he has

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<v Speaker 1>a little moment with them, like each of them, like.

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<v Speaker 3>And they say how they came to Oliver.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like at the same time, it's like it's establishing

462
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<v Speaker 1>the fact that, like, oh, Clark knows them. It's like

463
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<v Speaker 1>when you meet somebody who's like, oh, but like I

464
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<v Speaker 1>was friends with them, and then but you're friends with them. Also. Yeah,

465
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<v Speaker 1>it's worlds colliding.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty Steven Us Tonight went on to Your Daredevil

467
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<v Speaker 2>after this. Obviously Spartacus the TV show. Yes, all right,

468
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<v Speaker 2>much acclaim over there a lot of Arrow actors like

469
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<v Speaker 2>Trina Law and man who did it?

470
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<v Speaker 3>Actors like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I sent the a Die Robinson to.

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<v Speaker 2>The third best live action Amanda Walter. Yeah, really smart storytelling,

473
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<v Speaker 2>really efficient, you know, and uh but yeah, Steven has

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight one of the best writers on Small Villain director too.

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<v Speaker 3>This is well directed EISO.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of low angle shots of the heroes and

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff, Like, there was a lot of cool

478
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<v Speaker 2>visuals here.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, of course, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool guys don't look at exposure. Absolutely right, go google

481
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<v Speaker 2>that the great snl skit from quite a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, every action movie of all time has the

483
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<v Speaker 2>guy slowly walking away. Absolutely the most iconic shots in Smallville.

484
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<v Speaker 2>It really is like whenever it's like, whenever there's some

485
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<v Speaker 2>kind of like article about Smallville in a magazine.

486
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<v Speaker 3>Or a website, they use this image.

487
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<v Speaker 2>This is this is the image, and it's all them

488
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<v Speaker 2>first of all, though their hood should still be up

489
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<v Speaker 2>because clearly someone gets to see them like one of

490
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<v Speaker 2>likes his people. Why is it Oliver in the middle,

491
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Reminds me of our small Lit cast picture.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're gonna say that. I know you're gonna

493
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<v Speaker 1>say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night I got the photo was the rolled Austin Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen with the cast of Smallville. Yes, And you

496
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<v Speaker 2>know he was the line first, so he got kind

497
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<v Speaker 2>of were in front of me. Yeah, and he's in

498
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<v Speaker 2>the center of the picture. Like I'm gonna have to

499
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<v Speaker 2>get my own picture with no one else for me

500
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<v Speaker 2>in it. I'm the star of this show.

501
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<v Speaker 3>See got today.

502
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<v Speaker 2>You think you're Clark, but he really lacks everybody, all right,

503
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<v Speaker 2>So that's what it's all about there. But anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought about that, it was like, why is Clark in

505
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<v Speaker 2>the middle. It's Oliver's team, right? Talking about getting recognized though, yeah, right,

506
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<v Speaker 2>because like Lex talks and line all day and He's

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<v Speaker 2>like the card described someone very much like Clark kid.

508
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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking to myself, what do they say, Like it

509
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<v Speaker 2>was like a dog. He's like six du like a

510
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<v Speaker 2>red jacket and a blue shirt, kind of a dopey

511
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<v Speaker 2>looking guy from the top and he sells line is

512
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<v Speaker 2>like Clark, oh, Martha.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night, it's so good. That's one of my.

514
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<v Speaker 3>Favorite three and you know stuff like that.

515
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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, and like, I just love Lex's face of that,

516
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<v Speaker 1>Like he's so defeated. The fact that Lex believes it,

517
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<v Speaker 1>in the fact that Lionel just had that ready to

518
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<v Speaker 1>go to use is brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he doesn't think that. Why would Lionel at this

520
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<v Speaker 2>point in the show, right, protect Clark over me? Right,

521
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<v Speaker 2>He's like, well, he has no reason to lie to

522
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<v Speaker 2>me about it exactly. And I know he's all about

523
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<v Speaker 2>the kids. So I guess that does track.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh gets so close? Yeah, so close, so good.

525
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<v Speaker 2>So but yeah, yeah, the the green Arrow Oliver Queen

526
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<v Speaker 2>Lex Uth rival.

527
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<v Speaker 3>He continues here.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked how they showed Oliver like using like an actual.

529
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<v Speaker 3>The little arrow gun. I was like, did he not?

530
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Too many times in Smallville, Like he uses the

531
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<v Speaker 1>like the little crossbow gun and it's like, it's annoying.

532
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<v Speaker 1>This is one of the things that you got to

533
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<v Speaker 1>give Arrow tons of credit for. And Steven mil like

534
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<v Speaker 1>he's using a bow and arrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's Batman light in this and I'm small

536
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<v Speaker 2>that's the green Arrow row.

537
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<v Speaker 3>But that's the character character.

538
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<v Speaker 2>That's it's it's meta because it works because green Arrow

539
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<v Speaker 2>was a ripoff of Batman looking at an arrow car

540
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<v Speaker 2>and an arrow k which makes no sense.

541
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<v Speaker 3>Of aeroplane aero plane arrow signal.

542
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so whenever cycles Batman.

543
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<v Speaker 2>They use green Arrow, and I'm fine with that because

544
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<v Speaker 2>of the inception of the character. But yeah, Justice right,

545
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously one of the greatest episodes of Smallville

546
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<v Speaker 2>set the tone for lots of superhero things to come. Uh,

547
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<v Speaker 2>there is a Green Arrow show, now, Yes, there is

548
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<v Speaker 2>a Flash TV show. There is an Aquaman movie that

549
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<v Speaker 2>made a billion dollars.

550
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a there's Cyborg in a Justice League film.

551
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Cyberg in the Justice League film, Cyborg and the

552
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<v Speaker 2>Team Titan show Cyborg of course, and all the Team

553
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Titans cartoons already. Yeah, but Cyborg in the in the

554
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<v Speaker 2>new fifty two Justice League, Like this.

555
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<v Speaker 3>Really puts in Setrol and you know, oh, that's what

556
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<v Speaker 3>I meant.

557
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<v Speaker 2>The teen Titan showed Doom Patrol, right, But this put

558
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<v Speaker 2>in Cyberg more in the mainstream because people well, of

559
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<v Speaker 2>course he been on small before, which helped, but then

560
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<v Speaker 2>him along with these character just kind of elevated him

561
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<v Speaker 2>to the status because he was a Team Titan and

562
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<v Speaker 2>now he's up here with the flash quote unquote, Yeah.

563
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<v Speaker 3>He could to pick his name either, right, that's really good.

564
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<v Speaker 2>It's like meta, well done, yep, WB with his name.

565
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<v Speaker 3>Black Salutor's building an army. You can't let that happen.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't worry.

567
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<v Speaker 7>My team's on it.

568
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<v Speaker 6>Your team, not everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Blay Solo can.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's go save the world.

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<v Speaker 6>Smallville followed by Supernatural. All the episodes this Thursday at

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<v Speaker 6>eight seventh Central on the new CW.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello everyone, it's Victoria here to share my thoughts on

574
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<v Speaker 4>everyone's number two favorite episode of Smallville, Justice and I

575
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<v Speaker 4>can totally see why this is everyone's, you know, one

576
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 4>of everyone's top faves after rewatching it just now, I

577
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<v Speaker 4>think it's the perfect balance and small though they don't

578
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<v Speaker 4>always hit strike this, but when they do it is

579
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<v Speaker 4>so good. It's the perfect balance of you know, this

580
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<v Speaker 4>world that we've built in small Vell, this pre Superman world,

581
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<v Speaker 4>and also balancing it with Superman and all the things

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<v Speaker 4>we love about Superman, and one of the things we

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<v Speaker 4>love about Superman is.

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<v Speaker 9>The Justice League.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think they did such a good job here

586
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<v Speaker 4>in this episode of showing it in its nascent stages.

587
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<v Speaker 4>I also realized while I was watching it just how

588
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<v Speaker 4>brilliant it was, and I have to commend them, And

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is one of the great parts of

590
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<v Speaker 4>television that sometimes movies they don't have this luxury unless

591
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<v Speaker 4>you're the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which wasn't even I don't

592
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<v Speaker 4>think really conceived of at this time. I think this

593
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<v Speaker 4>episode came out in like two thousand and six, two

594
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<v Speaker 4>thousand and seven. Was they really took their time with

595
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<v Speaker 4>introducing every member of the Justice League, and every member

596
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<v Speaker 4>of the Justice League had their own episode, and you know,

597
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<v Speaker 4>obviously in Oliver's case, there was more, he had a

598
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<v Speaker 4>whole half season arc. But I think that was great

599
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.359
<v Speaker 4>that they made us really wait for it, and they

600
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<v Speaker 4>laid the groundwork so none of the characters, you know,

601
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<v Speaker 4>when when you brought them all together, none of them

602
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<v Speaker 4>felt like caricatures or incomplete characters. You had the time

603
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<v Speaker 4>to get to know them throughout the duration of the series,

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<v Speaker 4>so that when they all came together, we could just

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<v Speaker 4>really enjoy how they played off each other and their

606
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<v Speaker 4>dynamic working together. That was my I think what we

607
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<v Speaker 4>all love about it, And I think they did it

608
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<v Speaker 4>in a way where you get to see everyone's powers,

609
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<v Speaker 4>but still you know they're bouncing it with the word

610
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<v Speaker 4>world of small thol where they're not. No one is

611
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<v Speaker 4>really operating at full power, which is great, which is

612
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.279
<v Speaker 4>what you want. I mean, you don't. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's no flight snow tight Superman before he was Superman.

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<v Speaker 4>I think if they'd kind of gone all out and

615
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<v Speaker 4>everyone was you know, peak Awquaamen, peak Cyborg, peak flash

616
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<v Speaker 4>peak Superman, it almost would have felt jarring. So I

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<v Speaker 4>just have to commend the writers and the directors and

618
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<v Speaker 4>everyone involved in that episode on really keeping things like

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<v Speaker 4>coherent and cohesive.

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<v Speaker 9>To the show.

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<v Speaker 4>You know something, though, I think it was great that

622
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<v Speaker 4>they did a really good job of showing everyone's talents.

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<v Speaker 4>I almost wish there was more Clark in this. I

624
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<v Speaker 4>feel like Clark was kind of passive and I wish

625
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<v Speaker 4>he had had a more active role. And I get it,

626
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 4>you want like the guest stars to shine like Clark's.

627
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<v Speaker 9>Here every week.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think that was one thing I was lacking

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<v Speaker 4>when I was watching the episode, is I wish that

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<v Speaker 4>Clark would have been able to work with them more.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know that's like also the Justice Leagues complaint

632
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<v Speaker 4>that they were like Clark, we wish you would work

633
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<v Speaker 4>with us more. We wish you were more of a

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<v Speaker 4>team player. But yeah, that was like my one small

635
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:01.480
<v Speaker 4>kind of structural complaint. I always I love Bart Allen.

636
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:05.119
<v Speaker 4>I love him, and this depiction of the character. I

637
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:08.440
<v Speaker 4>think my love for Kyle Gallener's performance of him is

638
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:10.640
<v Speaker 4>like a big reason why I don't think I could

639
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:13.200
<v Speaker 4>ever totally like commit to the Flash. I also think

640
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.000
<v Speaker 4>it's because I knew Grant Gustin from Glee and I

641
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.640
<v Speaker 4>was like, wait, no, this is You're not Sebastian, You're

642
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:20.839
<v Speaker 4>not acting like this character I originally knew you as

643
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 4>I just love him. It was heartbreaking to see Lee

644
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.480
<v Speaker 4>Thompson Young, another actor who I knew from another TV show,

645
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.599
<v Speaker 4>but I thought he did a great job playing Cyborg

646
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:34.279
<v Speaker 4>and Victor. I knew him from the famous Judd Jackson.

647
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:36.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if anyone else remembers that, like deep

648
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:39.400
<v Speaker 4>cut Disney Show and then you know again, it just

649
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:41.799
<v Speaker 4>cracks me up with Justin Hartley because he will always

650
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.839
<v Speaker 4>be my green arrow and nothing against Steven Emmel, but

651
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:49.440
<v Speaker 4>he was such an achievement. The fact that they were

652
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:51.759
<v Speaker 4>able to pull off a crossover it like this, and

653
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.759
<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, up until then, people thought it

654
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:58.160
<v Speaker 4>couldn't be done. I'm thinking like now, like I'm just

655
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 4>thinking of superhero movies that were out the time. I

656
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:02.640
<v Speaker 4>think that was really when people were running into like

657
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 4>two villainitis, and people were trying to outdo the last movie,

658
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:09.200
<v Speaker 4>outdo the last sequel, and make it bigger and bigger

659
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:11.799
<v Speaker 4>and bigger, and it didn't always work. I think of

660
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.920
<v Speaker 4>one of my like my favorite superhero trilogy of all time,

661
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.200
<v Speaker 4>spider Man The Og spider Man like that. This is

662
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 4>a small Bull podcast, not a spider Man three podcasts,

663
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:23.799
<v Speaker 4>so we won't really dive into that. That was a

664
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.079
<v Speaker 4>big problem with I think that movie is that they

665
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.240
<v Speaker 4>tried to do too much. And I think it's the

666
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 4>huge achievement of this episode and of this series up

667
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 4>until this point that they really took the time laying

668
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 4>out these characters, and then when they brought them together,

669
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 4>they really did it well, and I absolutely love that. Also,

670
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.720
<v Speaker 4>one thing that it was kind of missing, and I

671
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 4>get that it's kind of it was Chloe. Really this

672
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:50.039
<v Speaker 4>was Chloe's like first real step into being watch Tower,

673
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:52.559
<v Speaker 4>and I definitely clocked that this was like the first

674
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.160
<v Speaker 4>time that I called her it. But I wished that

675
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:56.960
<v Speaker 4>she could have been in the action more. I wish,

676
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 4>honestly that Lois could have been in the action war.

677
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 4>I was kind of frustrated that she was just on

678
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.720
<v Speaker 4>the sidelines, being like, I'm gonna pack for a trip

679
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.559
<v Speaker 4>with Oli her, like, just because they do such a

680
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.720
<v Speaker 4>good job on the series of making Lois when she's

681
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:12.799
<v Speaker 4>in the action, she's in the action and she's not

682
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.279
<v Speaker 4>sitting on the sidelines. So I was slightly frustrated that

683
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.680
<v Speaker 4>she was on the sidelines for this. And I'd forgotten

684
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.960
<v Speaker 4>that this was like the episode that kind of wrapped

685
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.839
<v Speaker 4>up Green Arrows aark in small Ville season six, and

686
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 4>that this is the episode that him and Love was

687
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:27.799
<v Speaker 4>split up in.

688
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:30.200
<v Speaker 9>But I thought it was done.

689
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.200
<v Speaker 4>It was so CW acting, but like on the spectrum

690
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.440
<v Speaker 4>of CW acting. It wasn't like heinous like they did

691
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:39.039
<v Speaker 4>they you know, stuck in the genre without doing it,

692
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.640
<v Speaker 4>without overdoing it, because I think Erica and Justin are

693
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 4>both fantastic actors. But yeah, it was funny. It was

694
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.960
<v Speaker 4>very kind of like just a tad like, oh no, oh,

695
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.599
<v Speaker 4>we could never be together. This is the moment when

696
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.519
<v Speaker 4>I'm throwing I'm gonna regret.

697
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:55.440
<v Speaker 9>For the rest of my life, isn't it.

698
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.200
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh my god. But I also think

699
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.759
<v Speaker 4>it was good kind of foreshadowing and precursor to the

700
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:06.079
<v Speaker 4>big conundrum, to this conundrum of Lois's life and her

701
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.359
<v Speaker 4>love life and her biggest romantic relationships she will have

702
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:13.759
<v Speaker 4>in her life is with a superhero and facing this

703
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:17.599
<v Speaker 4>problem of I did love Oliver's line when he mentioned

704
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:19.680
<v Speaker 4>that he's like, there are bigger things than what I

705
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:23.079
<v Speaker 4>want and what I love and trying to reconcile that.

706
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.400
<v Speaker 4>I think this was like a good little microcosm of it.

707
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.359
<v Speaker 4>I just think it wasn't quite as satisfying to me

708
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.200
<v Speaker 4>because it wasn't Lois and Clark, who are my DC

709
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.119
<v Speaker 4>endgame for sure. I also think another thing that I

710
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 4>really enjoyed about this was the Luthers obviously, but I

711
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:42.759
<v Speaker 4>felt like, because who doesn't enjoy the Luthers when they're own?

712
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.000
<v Speaker 4>Also the fact there was no Lana like bless because

713
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:48.240
<v Speaker 4>this is when I again I was I had to

714
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:50.359
<v Speaker 4>be reminded, like, oh right, season six, this is like

715
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:55.440
<v Speaker 4>the season of Lexana. And I loved that Lana was

716
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.920
<v Speaker 4>wedding dress shopping and like not in the picture for

717
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:01.839
<v Speaker 4>this for this since because I feel like this was

718
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 4>the season that Lana really just tanked as a character

719
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:06.799
<v Speaker 4>and this was someone who loved her in the first

720
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:11.039
<v Speaker 4>season and second season and third season, and I think

721
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.320
<v Speaker 4>season four is really when we started running into some problems.

722
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.400
<v Speaker 4>But I think that's another fun thing is we really

723
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.159
<v Speaker 4>get to see the heroes being the heroes, and we

724
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.760
<v Speaker 4>really get to see Lex being the villain. And when

725
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.000
<v Speaker 4>he trapped Bart in that like weird prison thing where

726
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.800
<v Speaker 4>the tank with the or cage or whatever you want

727
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.760
<v Speaker 4>to call it, with the with the heated or like

728
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.639
<v Speaker 4>the shocking floor, I thought to myself, I was like,

729
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.679
<v Speaker 4>that's so comic book, But it was so fun and

730
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.159
<v Speaker 4>satisfying to see, and it was smart and had this

731
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 4>level of ingenuity that you want from Lex Luthor, like again,

732
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:48.079
<v Speaker 4>we were going kind of full comic book crossover with this,

733
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 4>and they did it in a way that was super

734
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.880
<v Speaker 4>fun but still like grounded and felt appropriate to the show.

735
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 4>And it was fun to see Lionel kind of be

736
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.480
<v Speaker 4>the double agent on each side and provide the that

737
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:02.960
<v Speaker 4>all important alibi at the end of the episode to

738
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:05.039
<v Speaker 4>Lex saying that he was having dinner with Clark and

739
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:08.320
<v Speaker 4>that's why he there was no way he could have

740
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 4>been involved with the little the rendezvous that Justice League

741
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 4>had had. Yeah, I just thought it was I get it, like,

742
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:20.400
<v Speaker 4>it's a super fun episode we get to see, you know,

743
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 4>the series, you know, teases out these moments of like

744
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:27.599
<v Speaker 4>full on superheroing, and this was a moment that really

745
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 4>felt earned and was super fun and satisfying to watch,

746
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.199
<v Speaker 4>And I just I had a blast watching it, And again,

747
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.360
<v Speaker 4>I was reminded of a lot of the reasons why

748
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.639
<v Speaker 4>I love this show and and why I remember being

749
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.320
<v Speaker 4>totally exhilarated watching it. I think I watched I did

750
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.800
<v Speaker 4>watch it on TV you know when it aired, and

751
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.239
<v Speaker 4>it was just totally fun and it recaptured some of

752
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 4>that nostalgia for me. And yeah, I do wish Clark

753
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.039
<v Speaker 4>would have been a little more active, but I do

754
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:57.519
<v Speaker 4>understand why they they ultimately chose not to, And it

755
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.800
<v Speaker 4>also felt like like congruous with this character, like he

756
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.960
<v Speaker 4>was alone, he's very used to being a lone wolf,

757
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:07.280
<v Speaker 4>and he had trust issues which are founded. And also

758
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.039
<v Speaker 4>I think what really helped was that he had when

759
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 4>he had to say, like, no, guys, I can't come

760
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 4>with you.

761
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.079
<v Speaker 9>It wasn't just because he's like, I'm a lone wolf

762
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.519
<v Speaker 9>and this show is called Smallville and I'm not allowed

763
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:21.679
<v Speaker 9>to really leave Smallville. But I think also having the

764
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 9>Phantom Zone kind of overarching plot really helped ground and

765
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:30.639
<v Speaker 9>kind of substantiate the no from Clark. For me, when

766
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.079
<v Speaker 9>he had to say no, I'd be like, guys, I

767
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 9>can't go with you, Like there's I have like my

768
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 9>own personal fish to fry that fell real to me.

769
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 9>And also like I do wish there had been something

770
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 9>more with Bart and Chloe, because I feel like Chloe

771
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.559
<v Speaker 9>has suffered so long that she deserves some like wholesome

772
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 9>for real like superhero wooing. So they're a ship that.

773
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.800
<v Speaker 4>I guess I will continue to ship, unsuccessfully or not,

774
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.119
<v Speaker 4>out of a non kinonship that I will continue to

775
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Speaker 4>Captain Bart and Chloe. But yeah, I thought I get it, guys,

776
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.360
<v Speaker 4>Like it was a super fun episode. It was great

777
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:11.119
<v Speaker 4>to revisit, and I think it's an example of the

778
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:15.039
<v Speaker 4>show very much at its best. That's all I got

779
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.239
<v Speaker 4>to say about it. All right, this has been Victoria

780
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:19.119
<v Speaker 4>signing off.

781
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:23.119
<v Speaker 3>Lex Salutter's building an army.

782
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:24.280
<v Speaker 8>We can't let that happen.

783
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:24.920
<v Speaker 5>Don't worry.

784
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:25.480
<v Speaker 4>My team's on it.

785
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Your team, not everybody who was so low Kate.

786
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 7>Let's go to save the world Smallville.

787
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.280
<v Speaker 6>All new episode next Thursday on the New CW.

788
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Speaker 5>Hey everybody, Matt Trix here. Sorry I couldn't join for

789
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:48.239
<v Speaker 5>this episode. Very sorry honestly, because this is I mean,

790
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:51.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm sure it's been covered, but this is one that

791
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:55.000
<v Speaker 5>feels so pivotal to Smallville, and especially kind of like

792
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:58.960
<v Speaker 5>a backdoor pilot for later seasons. I did want to

793
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.679
<v Speaker 5>just throw out some favorite things and do a little

794
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:05.039
<v Speaker 5>personal story here, so as far as favorite things go,

795
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.920
<v Speaker 5>First of all, the episode, especially when it gets going

796
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:13.079
<v Speaker 5>at the Ridge Facility, looks so good, like they really

797
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:15.599
<v Speaker 5>took the extra time of the cinematography on this. I

798
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.800
<v Speaker 5>was just rewatching that whole Ridge Facility sequence and it's

799
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:23.039
<v Speaker 5>really impressive. Like I really love the moments where like

800
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:26.199
<v Speaker 5>Oliver or Clark are like smoking in or smoking out,

801
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:29.960
<v Speaker 5>like literally through the fog that seems to be always

802
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.679
<v Speaker 5>pumping through a Luther Corp hall away like those. So

803
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:36.519
<v Speaker 5>that's just a very random detail that I think I

804
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:41.559
<v Speaker 5>helped the episode a lot. Lex is full on villain here,

805
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 5>and I know at this point he has held various

806
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:48.039
<v Speaker 5>members of our little Justice League captive like this before.

807
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 5>But just watching him, like his banter with Bart and

808
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:56.920
<v Speaker 5>the whole like, you know, I want a ponytail of

809
00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 5>it all is really cool. And then the confrontation again

810
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.960
<v Speaker 5>with Oliver is also exactly what it should be, especially

811
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:05.960
<v Speaker 5>as Oliver like Batman's out of the scene at the

812
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.880
<v Speaker 5>end and hits him just enough to like clip his

813
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:10.480
<v Speaker 5>cheek like that with the arrow.

814
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 8>You know.

815
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:15.400
<v Speaker 5>Also love the introduction of Chloe as Watchtower of course,

816
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 5>and all the code names you know, boy Scout and

817
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 5>all that. Also just crazy to hear Oliver straight up

818
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.079
<v Speaker 5>saying like Cyborg and Aquaman, it's cool that they kind

819
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.480
<v Speaker 5>of got to that. And the banter between the heroes

820
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:31.000
<v Speaker 5>here is straight out of something like Justice League International

821
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 5>or even some of the current stuff with just like

822
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, Ken Opener and look good in a bag

823
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.320
<v Speaker 5>of green beans. Like I love that Justin Hartley takes

824
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 5>a moment to like smile at that line when Cyborg

825
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.360
<v Speaker 5>says her because it's just it feels like work friends,

826
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.599
<v Speaker 5>you know, like it feels like they've done this before.

827
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.480
<v Speaker 5>I also love Clark having to hear like one hundred

828
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.960
<v Speaker 5>percent assurance from Chloe before he agrees to letting the

829
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:01.639
<v Speaker 5>facility blow. But even more than that, like one missed

830
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:04.239
<v Speaker 5>opportunity I feel in this is like as she's watching

831
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.000
<v Speaker 5>the heat signature and she's watching that facility go up

832
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.840
<v Speaker 5>in flames, I so wish there had been five, just

833
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:15.480
<v Speaker 5>like slowly walking heat signatures escape in the building, like

834
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.840
<v Speaker 5>watching them slow mo out of there, Like what she

835
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.800
<v Speaker 5>must have thought if she saw them walking so slowly

836
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.679
<v Speaker 5>as this thing like erupts into hell, you know anyway,

837
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:28.719
<v Speaker 5>And also, like beyond the superhero stuff, I really really

838
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:32.119
<v Speaker 5>love the Lois and Allie breakup scene. Say what you

839
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 5>want about the fact that Lois has made out with

840
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.920
<v Speaker 5>most of the Justice League at this point, but I

841
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.079
<v Speaker 5>really liked the writing here and Oliver is like this

842
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:44.960
<v Speaker 5>is the moment, isn't it like that whole line exchange

843
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.519
<v Speaker 5>always stuck with me, like since the first time this

844
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.400
<v Speaker 5>episode aired. Really it's stupid and it's it's melodramatic and

845
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.440
<v Speaker 5>all that, but it's good. It just kind of stuck

846
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.599
<v Speaker 5>in my head. Anyway. The hype around this episode was

847
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.039
<v Speaker 5>so real at the time, and then the fact that

848
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 5>it resulted in a new wave of action figures and

849
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.559
<v Speaker 5>you know, the whole team like that was very cool.

850
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.519
<v Speaker 5>I remember those photos coming out of Comic Con of

851
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 5>like Justin Hartley leaning down with I think they were

852
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:17.960
<v Speaker 5>just unpainted prototypes at the time of the figures, but

853
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:20.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm pretty sure that hip crypt on site that summer

854
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.400
<v Speaker 5>and excited all of us. On that note, the action

855
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:27.480
<v Speaker 5>figures just a small thing. Like I grew up in

856
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 5>Jersey and my comic book store was Jay and Silent

857
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.920
<v Speaker 5>Bob's secret stash before it became the secret stash of

858
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.480
<v Speaker 5>comic book men, and I wasn't able to get up

859
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:41.360
<v Speaker 5>there when the figures released, But like a few months

860
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:44.719
<v Speaker 5>later I got up there and was asking about them,

861
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:48.559
<v Speaker 5>and Mike Zapsick made like a big hairy deal and

862
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:51.519
<v Speaker 5>gave me a huge eye roll and ran down to

863
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 5>the basement and pulled up the figures and I bought

864
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.320
<v Speaker 5>it wasn't the whole team. Sorry to impulse in Cyborg,

865
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 5>but I just got Clark and Oliver and Ac. I'll

866
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:06.400
<v Speaker 5>just always remember that. For whatever reason, every time I

867
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Speaker 5>watch Colic Book Man, I just think of like Mike's

868
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:12.599
<v Speaker 5>eye roll, as this young kid is coming into his

869
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.239
<v Speaker 5>Collic Book store and just asking for action figures of

870
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.400
<v Speaker 5>not even like Colic Book stuff of just like this

871
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.039
<v Speaker 5>Smallville action figures please or anyway, such a great episode,

872
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:27.079
<v Speaker 5>and again kind of heralds what volume three of Smallville's

873
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.119
<v Speaker 5>really like when we get to the Metropolis years and

874
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.159
<v Speaker 5>watch Tower in full effect and all that. But look

875
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 5>forward to the end of our Smallville countdown here and

876
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.599
<v Speaker 5>thanks for listening. Take it away, Zach and Panel.

877
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:44.679
<v Speaker 8>The Superman legend begins in a place called Smallville.

878
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.559
<v Speaker 5>Do you ever feel like your life was supposed to

879
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 5>be something different?

880
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:48.079
<v Speaker 8>Secrets?

881
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't want any record that I was here.

882
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.840
<v Speaker 8>Loyalty, I never bet against Claire Kent betrayal.

883
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:54.280
<v Speaker 6>What do you want the world?

884
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 8>Missus Kent Yestiny.

885
00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:58.880
<v Speaker 5>Maybe it's time I stop running from who I really am.

886
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.239
<v Speaker 8>Now you can every Action Pack Episode two. Are you

887
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:08.840
<v Speaker 8>plus never before seen Bonus features small Ville pone seasons

888
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:10.119
<v Speaker 8>one through six on DBD.

889
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:17.840
<v Speaker 7>Hello everyone, this is Matthew Rocca and I'm here to

890
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:23.760
<v Speaker 7>discuss the incredibly epic episode of season six Smallville, that

891
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:29.119
<v Speaker 7>is Justice. It's great to be here, even from my

892
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 7>fortress of solitude. I just had a few, well a

893
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.079
<v Speaker 7>lot of things to discuss with the episode Justice. I

894
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.480
<v Speaker 7>love it. It's one of my favorite Smallville episodes. So one

895
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:42.280
<v Speaker 7>of the first things that hit me when I was

896
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.159
<v Speaker 7>rewatching it was, well, I mean, this is something that

897
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 7>I always think about when I ever watched this episode,

898
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:49.920
<v Speaker 7>and even when I saw it the way back in

899
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.880
<v Speaker 7>I think it was two thousand and six or seven

900
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 7>when it aired, this hit occurred to me even back then.

901
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.519
<v Speaker 7>It's just the idea that Smallville had really come into

902
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:06.320
<v Speaker 7>its own as a comic book show at this point.

903
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 7>And what I mean by that is that, you know,

904
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:16.400
<v Speaker 7>season one through season two was more about the relationships.

905
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.039
<v Speaker 7>It was more about Clark and his parents, Clark and Laana,

906
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.440
<v Speaker 7>Clark and Lex and all these beautiful relationships that formed

907
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.039
<v Speaker 7>the foundation of the show. So it was more of

908
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.559
<v Speaker 7>a relationship drama, and it was more it happened to

909
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:36.760
<v Speaker 7>have superpowers in it, But that wasn't like the draw

910
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.039
<v Speaker 7>I guess. I mean, maybe it was for a lot

911
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:41.000
<v Speaker 7>of people. For me, it wasn't because, as I've said

912
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.280
<v Speaker 7>numerous times, I didn't know anything about comic books at

913
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:46.599
<v Speaker 7>that time. But as a show progressed, I found this

914
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:52.519
<v Speaker 7>really interesting progression. And me and my buddy, who love

915
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.480
<v Speaker 7>you know, he's not so into comic book stuff anymore.

916
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.679
<v Speaker 7>I still am, but we grew up loving this stuff.

917
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:03.719
<v Speaker 7>And me the observation while ago that when the show aired,

918
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:06.440
<v Speaker 7>had just the way that Smallwood kind of become like

919
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.920
<v Speaker 7>a niche comic book thing for comic book fans. And

920
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.199
<v Speaker 7>because when you get to I guess you could say

921
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.639
<v Speaker 7>past season four, and you start getting into like season five,

922
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.800
<v Speaker 7>you get you know, Brainiac, and you get all these

923
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.679
<v Speaker 7>different sci fi elements and Linel Possessed and you know

924
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.599
<v Speaker 7>Zod and you know, all these different things that tap

925
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:30.840
<v Speaker 7>really into the mythology. Well like that the Fortress of Solitude.

926
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:32.760
<v Speaker 7>I've said this before, but season five was kind of

927
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.960
<v Speaker 7>like this huge turning point in that way. So then

928
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 7>you get around into season six and it's like Clark

929
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.039
<v Speaker 7>is going out there, He's fighting phantoms, owners, dealing with

930
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:47.360
<v Speaker 7>Oliver Queen, and here we finally have the formation of

931
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.559
<v Speaker 7>the Justice League. And I feel like this episode just

932
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:54.760
<v Speaker 7>really it felt like this understanding from the show almost

933
00:45:54.880 --> 00:46:00.000
<v Speaker 7>that this is what they are here now on television

934
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.039
<v Speaker 7>to do, Like they had their own niche thing to

935
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.039
<v Speaker 7>do back when it was like the beginning of the

936
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.480
<v Speaker 7>show and the WB and all the wholesome magic of

937
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:17.000
<v Speaker 7>that which was so beautiful. And now the show has

938
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.440
<v Speaker 7>evolved so much, and the network had evolved, and the

939
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 7>times had started to, you know, shift a little bit

940
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:27.960
<v Speaker 7>a little bit more in favor of comic books, though

941
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.480
<v Speaker 7>not that much. Small Ville was still kind of paving

942
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 7>the way for that, but it seemed like at this point,

943
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:38.079
<v Speaker 7>Justice was like this revelation almost of like, Aha, this

944
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:40.320
<v Speaker 7>is what Smallville's role is right now, this is what

945
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:43.840
<v Speaker 7>we do best now, better than anyone on TV or

946
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.360
<v Speaker 7>at that time, better than even anything in the movies

947
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.519
<v Speaker 7>in terms of comic books in my opinion. So it

948
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:53.320
<v Speaker 7>was like it there was no Lana in this episode.

949
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:57.760
<v Speaker 7>And I don't say that to disparage Christian Kruic or

950
00:46:58.079 --> 00:46:59.599
<v Speaker 7>Lana or anything like that. I know a lot of

951
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:03.360
<v Speaker 7>people like pick On Lana as a character, but it

952
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 7>did feel kind of like, you know, in season six,

953
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.079
<v Speaker 7>she was kind of her character was shoehorned into a

954
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:11.840
<v Speaker 7>lot of plots, and it became a little bit tiresome,

955
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.480
<v Speaker 7>especially with the whole you know, lex of it all,

956
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 7>because for Lexo, it's like his development was he had

957
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:24.400
<v Speaker 7>this great downward spiral in season five that was really

958
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:27.360
<v Speaker 7>paving the way for comic book lex and it was awesome.

959
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:29.760
<v Speaker 7>And then he's with Lana in season six, and at

960
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.199
<v Speaker 7>the beginning of season six it is kind of like,

961
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:34.480
<v Speaker 7>I don't know where this is going, but just then

962
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.320
<v Speaker 7>you get Justice. It's like, Okay, Lana's in Paris with

963
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 7>Nell shopping for a wedding dress. You know, lex just

964
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.320
<v Speaker 7>has that little throwaway line, and it just to me

965
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.159
<v Speaker 7>is kind of like the writers just being like, all right,

966
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.039
<v Speaker 7>none of the Laana nonsense, none of the drama, you know,

967
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:51.679
<v Speaker 7>relationship drama. Nope, that's not what this episode is about.

968
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:58.079
<v Speaker 7>This whole thing. It's all about the comic bookness of

969
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.800
<v Speaker 7>it all. We've got the Justice League, got the evil

970
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 7>lex Luthor thirty three point one, like boom, let's go.

971
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:09.880
<v Speaker 7>I love that this episode brings back Bart and it

972
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:16.360
<v Speaker 7>brings back Arthur, and it brings back Victor, and that

973
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:21.280
<v Speaker 7>Oliver is the leader of this whole thing, and it

974
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.519
<v Speaker 7>really struck me as very batman esque in that way,

975
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:28.360
<v Speaker 7>you know, Oliver being the man with the resources and

976
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.400
<v Speaker 7>you know, sort of the do whatever it takes kind

977
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:34.239
<v Speaker 7>of mentality like that, you know, And so I really

978
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 7>loved that about the episode. I loved that again so

979
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 7>all it was so ahead of its time, and I

980
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 7>just love to point that out. This was way like

981
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:46.840
<v Speaker 7>before MCU, right, and you had Smallville doing this concept

982
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:53.199
<v Speaker 7>of slowly introducing characters in different episodes and slowly building

983
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:56.920
<v Speaker 7>up to the formation of the team. They did that

984
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:01.039
<v Speaker 7>way before MCU. They did that way before or you know,

985
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.440
<v Speaker 7>anything like that was really being done in movies or TV.

986
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:08.039
<v Speaker 7>It was really just such an interesting, like exciting time

987
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:10.719
<v Speaker 7>to be a fan of all this stuff and for

988
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:15.039
<v Speaker 7>Smallville to really be like the trail Blazer like that,

989
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:17.719
<v Speaker 7>it was really incredible. It was also great because every

990
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:21.280
<v Speaker 7>episode that introduced one of the heroes before, you really

991
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:25.119
<v Speaker 7>got to know the character, and I felt like each

992
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:29.000
<v Speaker 7>actor was perfectly cast as that role, and you know,

993
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.719
<v Speaker 7>you almost felt like they were family, like you really

994
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:34.840
<v Speaker 7>got to know them in just in one episode. For

995
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.079
<v Speaker 7>each of them, you got to kind of love their character,

996
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.199
<v Speaker 7>and so when they all came together, it was like, Oh,

997
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:40.760
<v Speaker 7>this is so cool. It's like that, you know, a

998
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:44.159
<v Speaker 7>family for a family outside of a family for Clark,

999
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.960
<v Speaker 7>like people who have abilities like him, who aren't meteor freaks,

1000
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:50.800
<v Speaker 7>who aren't going off and killing people. You know, it's

1001
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 7>a bunch of like minded people who want to help

1002
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:55.960
<v Speaker 7>the world, and that was really awesome. I love that

1003
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.159
<v Speaker 7>Lex is the threat that they all have to come

1004
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:04.800
<v Speaker 7>together to stop. To me, it really solidified the idea

1005
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:09.280
<v Speaker 7>that Lex is officially the villain of the story at

1006
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:11.599
<v Speaker 7>this point in the series, and that was so much fun.

1007
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:14.719
<v Speaker 7>You know. Thirty three point one plot was one of

1008
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:18.079
<v Speaker 7>my favorite subplots of the show, and I'm really glad

1009
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.239
<v Speaker 7>that they didn't just drop it in season four like

1010
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:22.719
<v Speaker 7>they originally planned to, but they brought it back and

1011
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.760
<v Speaker 7>had Lex be really like the start of like evil

1012
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.920
<v Speaker 7>mad scientists mastermind. Lex was thirty three point one to me,

1013
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:38.719
<v Speaker 7>and just seeing the psychopathic neglect of human lives, even

1014
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:43.719
<v Speaker 7>if they're meteor freaks, the callousness that he was had

1015
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:46.840
<v Speaker 7>to just throw them in these cells and be building

1016
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:49.960
<v Speaker 7>like an army, as Oliver says, to start a war.

1017
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.000
<v Speaker 7>It was just like, Wow, he's gone off the deep end.

1018
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:57.440
<v Speaker 7>And I love it because it's totally comic book Lex,

1019
00:50:57.559 --> 00:50:59.639
<v Speaker 7>and I love that. That's what brought the Justice League

1020
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.000
<v Speaker 7>together for this mission. On that note, rewatching it, one

1021
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.480
<v Speaker 7>of the things struck me as really comical and you know,

1022
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:11.239
<v Speaker 7>kind of a disservice in a way to Clark, but

1023
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.639
<v Speaker 7>was just how Clark was written in the episode at

1024
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.719
<v Speaker 7>times that he was kind of a jerk to you know,

1025
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:21.800
<v Speaker 7>he didn't give Bart a chance, just like, oh, you're

1026
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.159
<v Speaker 7>stealing from Lex, you know, and like Clark knows what

1027
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:27.159
<v Speaker 7>Lex is like now, you know, So he was kind

1028
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.159
<v Speaker 7>of sanctimonious to him a little bit, and then you know,

1029
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:34.840
<v Speaker 7>he then storms in and yells it all over, and

1030
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.360
<v Speaker 7>then Oliver puts him in his place and reminds him

1031
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:40.000
<v Speaker 7>about thirty three point one, and later on Clark kind

1032
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.280
<v Speaker 7>of just barges into thirty three point one right into

1033
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.760
<v Speaker 7>the media rocks. The group has to save him, and

1034
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:47.519
<v Speaker 7>then even after they save him, he's kind of like,

1035
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:50.960
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, he kind of has this attitude where

1036
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:53.920
<v Speaker 7>it's like only if he says, it's okay, well, they

1037
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.159
<v Speaker 7>blow up the building, you know, even though he hasn't

1038
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 7>been part of the team. So me and my mom

1039
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.199
<v Speaker 7>were rewatching it and we were kind of laughing, like,

1040
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.079
<v Speaker 7>who does Clark think he is? You know, he hasn't

1041
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:06.960
<v Speaker 7>even been part of this team, you know, But it's fine,

1042
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.639
<v Speaker 7>it's funny. It is keeping in character with Clark as

1043
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:12.679
<v Speaker 7>we've seen him in the show. And you know, he

1044
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.679
<v Speaker 7>is still young, he's still kind of immature at certain points.

1045
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:18.559
<v Speaker 7>He's trying to do the right thing, but he's flawed,

1046
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:21.239
<v Speaker 7>you know, He's views the world and still this kind

1047
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:22.199
<v Speaker 7>of black and white way.

1048
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:23.079
<v Speaker 3>I like that.

1049
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.960
<v Speaker 7>I like that, you know, it foreshadows some of the

1050
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:29.400
<v Speaker 7>conflict that they'll have amongst him and Oliver and the

1051
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 7>Justice League later in the show, which is nice. And

1052
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.159
<v Speaker 7>I do think that Clark's naive way of looking at

1053
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.599
<v Speaker 7>the world is very much like Superman's strength and his weakness.

1054
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.719
<v Speaker 7>So I really did like that this episode really promised

1055
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:48.039
<v Speaker 7>something big with Clark in the Justice League, and it

1056
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:50.400
<v Speaker 7>is too bad that in season seven, like that kind

1057
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:53.480
<v Speaker 7>of just didn't turn into anything for much of it,

1058
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:55.519
<v Speaker 7>because the end of this episode is like, oh yeah,

1059
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:58.440
<v Speaker 7>you know Clark's gonna join them soon and then we

1060
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.119
<v Speaker 7>had to wait like a whole other season for anything

1061
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 7>with that. But it's cool, you know, as an episode

1062
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:08.679
<v Speaker 7>just self contained, it works really well. You know, when

1063
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:10.840
<v Speaker 7>we got to see the teamwork of all of them

1064
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:12.920
<v Speaker 7>as they break into three three point one, to see

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00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:15.920
<v Speaker 7>to remind the audience what each of their abilities is

1066
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:19.440
<v Speaker 7>and how they're each an asset to the team, was

1067
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:24.800
<v Speaker 7>really cool and it was done very like effortlessly, it seemed,

1068
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:27.920
<v Speaker 7>which as a writer myself, I don't know, it's kind

1069
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:31.000
<v Speaker 7>of difficult to showcase. Okay, here's what this character does

1070
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:34.360
<v Speaker 7>really well, here's what this character does. This is how

1071
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:36.840
<v Speaker 7>it helps the plot, This is how it helps their mission,

1072
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.039
<v Speaker 7>and just showing it like boom, boom boom like that.

1073
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:42.280
<v Speaker 7>It's actually kind of difficult to do, and I love

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00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.159
<v Speaker 7>that the episode just did that so effortlessly, like, Okay,

1075
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:48.840
<v Speaker 7>here's why Aquaman works in this universe. Here's what he does. Boom,

1076
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:51.360
<v Speaker 7>Here's what Cyborg does. He you know, is able to

1077
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.320
<v Speaker 7>shut down the electricity and this and that, you know,

1078
00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:58.679
<v Speaker 7>it's great. I love that, you know, going back to

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00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:02.079
<v Speaker 7>the Luthers for a second, I also love Lionel's role

1080
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:04.880
<v Speaker 7>in the episode. Big surprise coming from me, I know,

1081
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:09.360
<v Speaker 7>but I really love how Lionel is working with Lex.

1082
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:13.039
<v Speaker 7>At the beginning of the episode, there's this this really awesome,

1083
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:17.280
<v Speaker 7>like this great little, like subtle character moment. Lionel is

1084
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:23.000
<v Speaker 7>chastising Lex for being careless about thirty three point one

1085
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.719
<v Speaker 7>if it ever came out that people with abilities were

1086
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.840
<v Speaker 7>being tested at Luther Court, and then Lex completely dismisses

1087
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:33.599
<v Speaker 7>him and shows him that photo of what you know,

1088
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.719
<v Speaker 7>Lionel thinks as Clark, but it's the flash and Lex

1089
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:39.760
<v Speaker 7>has that great faster than a sweeding bullet line and

1090
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.159
<v Speaker 7>he's so cavalier and just like he's gonna make a

1091
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 7>great test subject for thirty three point one, don't you think.

1092
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:48.559
<v Speaker 7>Come on, let's go protect our asset. And he walks out,

1093
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.360
<v Speaker 7>and it's such a great moment because it's like, to me,

1094
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.480
<v Speaker 7>it just again shows the audience how far the tables

1095
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:58.840
<v Speaker 7>have turned with these characters. Lex is completely in control,

1096
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:04.719
<v Speaker 7>no lot the master, and he's surpassing the Master now

1097
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:06.559
<v Speaker 7>in a way, and it's like Lionel is the one

1098
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.440
<v Speaker 7>who's nervous, not sure if they're gonna get away with

1099
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:12.239
<v Speaker 7>this all of that stuff. I love that. I also

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<v Speaker 7>love how Lionel is in this difficult sort of position

1101
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:22.679
<v Speaker 7>where he's protecting Luther Corp. You know, his company, like

1102
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:25.840
<v Speaker 7>that he still doesn't want I think he doesn't want

1103
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 7>public shame or disgrace about what thirty three point one

1104
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:31.960
<v Speaker 7>is all about to get out there. It's like he's

1105
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.679
<v Speaker 7>protecting his company. He's kind of protecting Lex in a way,

1106
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.280
<v Speaker 7>but he's also protecting Clark, so he's kind of doing

1107
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:39.519
<v Speaker 7>this double agent thing. And I love how that comes

1108
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:42.960
<v Speaker 7>back later in Full Circle. You know, there's that moment

1109
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:46.320
<v Speaker 7>when Clark barges in, he yells at Lionel he like usual,

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00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:49.480
<v Speaker 7>and then Lionel has that moment where he tells Clark like,

1111
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:52.400
<v Speaker 7>we don't need to play games, Clark, or you know,

1112
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.320
<v Speaker 7>if you're gonna keep playing games like this, And it

1113
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.719
<v Speaker 7>seems like it would be a normal like Lionel threat,

1114
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.119
<v Speaker 7>but then instead he's very fatherly and just like you

1115
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.880
<v Speaker 7>should be more careful, and he's giving Clark that warning

1116
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:04.480
<v Speaker 7>don't mess with Lex kind of thing. And then at

1117
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.199
<v Speaker 7>the very end, the very end scene between Lionel and

1118
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:10.000
<v Speaker 7>Lex is one that me and my mom quote endlessly

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00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:12.639
<v Speaker 7>because We think it's one of the funniest scenes when

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00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.679
<v Speaker 7>Lionel pulls out that lie out of nowhere, when Lex

1121
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.559
<v Speaker 7>is questioning him about Clark, and Lionel just out of

1122
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:24.840
<v Speaker 7>nowhere says, Clark was with Nea Martha last night. We

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00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:28.880
<v Speaker 7>had new potatoes and teeny tiny little baby carrots. Pot

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00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:33.639
<v Speaker 7>roast was delicious. Clark, he had three helpings, and Lex

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00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:36.920
<v Speaker 7>just has that face like, WTF is he telling the

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00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:39.960
<v Speaker 7>truth or is this another BS lie from Lionel. You know,

1127
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:43.519
<v Speaker 7>It's just such a great moment. It's hilarious. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I love all the character interactions of this episode. There's

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of big stuff happening. There's a lot of

1130
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 7>set pieces and action and comic book stuff, but it's

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00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:57.519
<v Speaker 7>counter balanced really well with the characters that we love

1132
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:00.599
<v Speaker 7>in the show and the character moment. It's like that.

1133
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<v Speaker 7>So I think that's why this is such a great episode.

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00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:07.480
<v Speaker 7>It balances the action with the characters nicely. It develops

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00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:11.840
<v Speaker 7>Clark further in his journey and develops Lex further in

1136
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:14.679
<v Speaker 7>his journey. It just reminds us really like what the

1137
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:18.239
<v Speaker 7>show is about now in the more adult direction, the

1138
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.519
<v Speaker 7>more comic book direction too, that it's starting to take.

1139
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:24.480
<v Speaker 7>So I think Justice worked really well. Got to give

1140
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:26.719
<v Speaker 7>it up to everyone involved with the episode, the direction

1141
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:30.320
<v Speaker 7>of it, the writing, the acting. So thank you so

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00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:33.000
<v Speaker 7>much for letting me be part of this episode podcast.

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00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:37.000
<v Speaker 7>It's a wonderful episode, and thank you guys for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Small vill Season six on DVD Tuesday. The forces of

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00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:43.679
<v Speaker 1>evil are gathering. I will let you destroy her and

1146
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the fight.

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00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:47.599
<v Speaker 6>For Justice begins with bonus features that take you deep

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<v Speaker 6>into the legend.

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00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:51.159
<v Speaker 8>A Small Villa own season six on DVD and high

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<v Speaker 8>Depth Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I hope you all enjoyed our discussion on justice.

1152
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:01.480
<v Speaker 2>And we never see these guys again in this configuration,

1153
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:06.119
<v Speaker 2>even in this configuration plus others past this episode, which

1154
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:10.559
<v Speaker 2>makes it so unique and iconic, and yes we do

1155
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.519
<v Speaker 2>get obviously, the Green Arrow goes on to be a

1156
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:15.880
<v Speaker 2>main character for the last three seasons of the show.

1157
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:19.840
<v Speaker 2>We see Cyborg on a screen in season nine. We

1158
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:21.360
<v Speaker 2>do see a little bit more of Acca Man in

1159
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:25.480
<v Speaker 2>a couple more episodes, and Impulse is unfortunately just in

1160
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:28.280
<v Speaker 2>doomsday after this, and then his picture appears a lot.

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00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:32.280
<v Speaker 2>All these guys pictures appear a lot on screens and

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<v Speaker 2>in files. But to have this team go on a

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<v Speaker 2>superhero adventure altogether, something that we never see again on Smallville,

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<v Speaker 2>so Justice stands alone. But we've been tracking the bangers.

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00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:51.320
<v Speaker 2>The needle drops right. The pop music of Smavel just

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<v Speaker 2>as important as anything else on this show, at least

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00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:57.760
<v Speaker 2>to me watching it at the time. And I know

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00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:01.480
<v Speaker 2>to any of you the music was there one in

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00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:04.440
<v Speaker 2>this episode, And had you asked me back in two

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00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:06.960
<v Speaker 2>thousand and seven when this episode came out, I would

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00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:11.480
<v Speaker 2>have said, I don't know. But revisiting it for the

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00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:15.639
<v Speaker 2>podcast proper and rewatching it over the years. High and

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00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Low by Greg Laswell, the song that plays during Oliver

1174
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:22.960
<v Speaker 2>and Lois's breakup scene. It's kind of funny that we

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00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:27.480
<v Speaker 2>had these independent voice messages from three of our panel

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00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:29.800
<v Speaker 2>numbers and to hear them talk about certain scenes, and

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00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:31.440
<v Speaker 2>some of them say one thing about a scene, and

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00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:33.840
<v Speaker 2>some of them say the total opposite about a scene.

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00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:37.719
<v Speaker 2>But I think about Lois and Oliver's breakup scene, Victoria

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00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.960
<v Speaker 2>was a little amused by it and Matt was very

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00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 2>emotionally moved by it, but I think they both came

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00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.320
<v Speaker 2>to the same conclusion that you know at CW. But

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00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:48.400
<v Speaker 2>it really works for the two of them, But this

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00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:50.960
<v Speaker 2>song plays in the background of that scene, and it's

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00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:53.079
<v Speaker 2>one that you know, I've added to my playlist and

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00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:56.960
<v Speaker 2>listened to now since I've recovered the episode, and it's solid.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I get it's not one that I put

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00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:01.760
<v Speaker 2>on a burn CD back in the day. That's kind

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01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:03.800
<v Speaker 2>of my litmus test for if it was one of

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01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:05.920
<v Speaker 2>those back in the day. But it's the only song

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01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:07.800
<v Speaker 2>that plays in this episode. But it's a very good

1192
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:11.760
<v Speaker 2>pop song, very melancholy, captures the feel of what that

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01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:15.280
<v Speaker 2>scene was between Oliver and Loewis breaking up, and to me,

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<v Speaker 2>that counts as a banger for our list keeping track.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, I hope y'all enjoyed our conversation. Stay tuned

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<v Speaker 2>next week to find out which episode is the number

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<v Speaker 2>one episode of Smallville as voted by you the listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Our pedal discussion format will return for that conversation, but

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