Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Tony from Hack the Movies here and today
we're talking about Poltergeist two the other side, a movie
that didn't need to be made.
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of Shmiel Talk and a fellow fellow traveler in the
dabble Verse. And what can I say? I'm a unique character. Yeah,
I lose my train of thought during podcasts. I'm old
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but surely I will eventually die on stream and it'll
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Speaker 1: Well, if you're gonna die, please do it in this episode.
I'd be really great for views.
Speaker 3: I'll do my best.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you're not like what was his name? Hopefully you're
not like Julian Beck who ended up not being able
to see this movie. But yes, Poltergeist two the other side, which,
of course the tagline, I'm pretty sure they just made
this movie because they had a great tagline, which was
they're back, we.
Speaker 3: Get to see Little Carol Anne.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like Jael's two had just when you
thought it was safe to go back in the water,
and it's like, okay, outside of that tagline, you don't
really have a lot of ideas. Now, Poltergeist one. How
do you feel about Poltergeist one?
Speaker 3: I liked polar Geist one, but you know, it was
the age of the vs. In the video store, Yeah,
and that's where I saw it. I was debating whether
I'd seen it in the theater or not, but no,
I saw it on video. And the thing about video
at that time was every piece of crap in the
world was coming out on video, and you wanted to
see everything. And there was one of the ones that
I remember getting and going, oh, that was pretty good.
Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite.
Speaker 3: The original enjoyed that, Yeah, enjoyed that movie a lot.
Speaker 1: But you didn't rush out to see Poltergeist two the
other Side when it came.
Speaker 3: Out, I didn't know there was a Poltergeist to the
other side until one Tony from Hack the movie said, Hey,
would you like to watch Poultergeist too the other side?
Speaker 1: Well, if you want some more shocks, there's also a
Poltergeist three. And then in twenty fifteen, I think they
made a Poltergeist rebake, so there's two more after this.
Uh yeah, Now, look, this was a big film made
like seventy five million bucks, probably not as as the
first one. It was also nominated for Academy Awards for
Visual Effects. Like the first one, the effects are like
the effects of this movie go from being really great
to outright terrible. One of the persons, one of the
people responsible for that was hr Geeger, the guy who
designed the alien from the Alien movies. He designed a
couple of the creatures in this, but he didn't want
to leave his house in Zurich, so he was like
faxing them and he had a representative. But then when
he saw the movie and saw how that final monster looked,
he was like, oh, no, I should have been more
hands on. I should have been there. That looks really
now my name's on this and it looks like shit.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out where the hell they got
that little monster from. I thought it was like an
old ed wood where somebody said, hey, we need a monster,
can you grab him out of the prop house.
Speaker 1: It's like a big Medusa thing. It was so bad.
But yeah, they could not get director Toby Hooper or
executive producer Steven Spielberg back for this. They were like,
you know, the story's done. However, the writers of Poltergeist
one were like, now we could come up with something.
We could come up with something. They got a director,
Brian Gibson to do this one. I looked at his credits.
I didn't reckon. Nothing really jumped out to me unless
I missed like a big one, which I'm sure someone
in the comments are going to be like, how could
you miss this? But yeah, they got pretty much all
of the cast back from the first one, except for
the older sister because their boyfriend murdered her. But other
than that, they got everyone back from the first one.
Speaker 3: Did they mention her in the second one at all?
Speaker 1: They don't. Apparently the novelization, which might have been based
off like an earlier script, mentions that she's at college.
She's like at a university, but they just don't mention
her at all in this. They're like, wasn't there another one?
Was it was?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 1: It a family matters. There was like a sister who
just disappears one season and they never bring her up
or you never hear from her ever again.
Speaker 3: Chuck and happy days going upstairs. Yeah, it was like
seven unmarried with children.
Speaker 2: At least with seven unmarried with children.
Speaker 1: They did call back, but I think there's a milk
cart in a later and they're like, oh whatever, Yeah,
pretty much everyone is back, uh and yeah, you know what,
let's let's go through this wonderful film. I got through
a film that I was very excited to watch as
a kid who when I was a gadda, I watched
Portergeist one a lot. It was always on TV, and
I think my grandfather took me to a video store
like this and I went, wait, there's more, Well, I
gotta see where the story goes. And then I remember
watching this and everyone who has watched this movie pretty
much goes that old guy was creepy, and then they
can't remember the rest of the movie. They'll be like
I think there was an Indian guy in it. It
was sorry, native guy. There was a Native guy, and
that's it. That's all people can remember.
Speaker 3: Well, look, I remember him from one flow over the
Cuckoo's Nest.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what was his name?
Speaker 3: Will sam Sampson And he was the obligatory Native American
at some time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I totally for it. Wasn't until I
was watching this yesterday I was like, wait, that's one
to flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. I had to look
it up, like, of course that's him. Yeah, let's let's
go through this. It opens up with will Samson, the
Native American whose name is Taylor. I kept just writing
Native in my notes, and then midway through the movie
I realized he had a name. Taylor is looking up
at an obvious Matt painting with that smoky cloud effect,
and he goes up there to meet an old ghost
native his grandfather or something or ancestor. I don't know
who that guy is.
Speaker 3: I just thought he was a medicine man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: And then the fire goes nuts, a big spirit comes
out of the fire or something. I'm not really sure
what's happening. Got points in this movie, lots of white light. Yeah,
white lights become absorbed by I will a lot of smoke.
There's a lot of like blue screen smoke effects. So
we know.
Speaker 2: We now know that there's some other psychic people.
Speaker 1: In this movie. And the ghost spirits around Taylor and
they go into him to do something I guess to
warn him about the evil that's going to attack the family.
Speaker 3: Well, he became the guy that could help them fight it. Yeah,
and I thought for sure that oh, he was going
to be the it was going to be bad, like
he was going to be the evil guy that went
and got the family. It took me a while to realize.
Speaker 1: That he was.
Speaker 2: Well that's what Yeah, that's that's what Steve thinks the dad.
Speaker 1: But I know this is the eighties. We're all eighties
and nineties, we're all into Native American mysticism saving the world.
Speaker 3: If I saw one more person with a feather and
burning sage at that time.
Speaker 1: So he gets in his card, he visited. I like
that the big development from the previous movie. Every one's
moved out. I guess if you see your neighbor's house
get sucked into hell, he'll be like I think we
gotta move. I think we gotta get out of here.
And I do enjoy that when they get to where
the house is just a crater. But yeah, he meets
up with Tangina, the tiny Lady Zelda Rubinstein, and this
is when they start like adding onto the lore of
the because the first movie it was just it was
a cemetery and the assholes built the house on top
of them, and the ghosts were upset and confused. In
this one, they're like, oh, yeah, there was a cemetery,
but underneath the cemetery was another cemetery, a cult's suicide room.
And I'm like, Okay, I think now we're just over complicated.
Speaker 3: The eighteen seventies kool Aid Yeah party, kind of.
Speaker 2: The Heaven's Date of the eighteen seventies.
Speaker 1: And apparently, I guess this cave has just preserved them
because they're all fleshy and gross. I'm like they would
be if the first movie they were bones. These guys
should be done. They should not have bodies or anything. Still,
and then we meet with the Freelings, the family. Uh
they're now living with Diane's mom. Uh. I like uh,
I like Craig T. Nelson in this he knows he
doesn't have a lot to work with. But he was
like the kind of uptight realtor in the first one,
but now he's like the hippie alcoholic. I kinda like that.
Speaker 3: He's actually fun in this movie because you can see
he doesn't take it too terribly seriously now. And uh, yeah,
the movie the effects are wild, but uh, I liked
Craig's performance. Yeah, other people tended to overact. Joebeth was
a little much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's trying something new for this movie.
Speaker 1: He's trying something with this character, whereas everyone else is
kind of just what they were in the last movie,
and here we're adding more stuff. The grandmother is really
interested in Carol Anne, and she lets her know that
all the women in their family have magic psychic powers.
Speaker 3: They all got the shining.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much, they all have the shining. But that
was it in the first movie. It was like she
was born in the house. So that's why all the
spirits were attracted her, because she was like a new life.
And but now they're like, no, it's also because she
was a psychic lady. I'm like, all right, which one
is it?
Speaker 2: You can't keep.
Speaker 3: Adding to this right, And then we find out there's
there's another psychic games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Seeah. I love that the Freelings are still dealing with
their old company, the people who own the house, because
they're just like, what do you want us to do?
Get the house back? Where do you think we put it?
Speaker 3: Our insurance company says the house is just missing missing.
Speaker 1: Diane doesn't like that they're living uh with her mom,
and Steve is like loving it. He's just like, it's great.
I love that he's like making that He's like selling
vacuums door to door. Oh, I really. The one detail
I really like is, uh, they're listening to the baseball
game on the radio because they won't.
Speaker 2: Have a TV.
Speaker 1: That was really because that the first movie ends and
then putting the TV out of the motel, and I'm like,
I like that they stuck with it.
Speaker 2: He's like, I wish we could watch He's like, a
radio's fine.
Speaker 3: Use your imagination, Donnie was Danny Robbie Robbie Robbie Yeah, sorry, yeah,
Robbie's like, I just want a TV.
Speaker 1: But I like Stee. He's just like, I love selling
vacuum store to door. I like being out there with
his hairs all long. Now he's great.
Speaker 3: He's great drinking tequila out of the bottle.
Speaker 1: So the next day they go to a market and
this is where they meet. This is where Caroline meets
Julian Beck.
Speaker 3: Are you low, sweet Hunt?
Speaker 1: Are you afraid Hunting? He is very skeletal in this.
He was a stage actor and they were like, how
what are we gonna do? How are we gonna find
like a like a human corpse with minimal makeup effects?
Speaker 2: And they went, I got it.
Speaker 3: Not available.
Speaker 1: Bil Buckman isn't old enough yet. This is nineteen eighty six.
He's only the tender age of forty five. We have
to win eight. Unfortunately the remake didn't get a sequel,
but you would have been a shoeing for it. But no,
they were like, I got it. We'll get this guy
who's literally dying, Like that's why he looks so skeletaled.
I'm like, that's rough, but he gives it his all.
And the only other performance I can think of that is, uh,
remember ral Julia. Yes, yes, he's in the street Fighter
movie from the nineties, a movie with very stars Jean
Claude Van dam so very poor acting. He did not
have to go as hard as he did, and Ral Juliet,
even though he was dying from stomach cancer, was like,
I'm gonna put one hundred and ten percent effort into
this character. That's like Julian Becka this, I'm like, he
gave it his all. And to his credit, if anyone
remembers Poultergeist too, they go, oh yeah with the old guy.
Speaker 3: So I would have liked more of the old guy.
Speaker 1: Well, well, look, uh they they do bring him back
for Poltergeist three, and by that I mean they put
makeup on a different guy to make it look like.
Speaker 2: As you can imagine, it didn't look as good.
Speaker 1: Now they could just ai am now, they could just
ai I'm sure they're doing that right now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he meets Caro Lan and.
Speaker 1: He's all creepy. He's like hello, He's singing like God
is in his holy temple, which my friend reminded me,
I think the creepy guy from Scary Movie Too sings
that song. But I got to rewatch kids Scary Movie Too.
It's been a minute. Uh how did you feel when
he walked into Frey?
Speaker 3: I was, look, I'm like watching it in twenty twenty six,
I'm going like if some old guy walked up to
a little girl like that today, the phones would be
out and the cameras are and nobody's paying attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, well we learn why they're not paying attention.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Diane freaks out because Caroline's gone because the
last time Caroline disappeared, she went away for weeks and
she was in the spirit world. So whenever Caroline's not
in their sights, they get very worried. But yeah, they
like get her away from Cain. And when Carol Anne
looks back, she sees someone walk right through him. So
only the family can see him, right, which is funny
because that means, like anyone else, if they were paying attention,
they're just seeing this family talk to Air.
Speaker 3: I didn't think the boy could.
Speaker 1: See him, so I thought, yeah, wait, does the boy
have any reaction to him?
Speaker 3: No, I thought that the boy didn't see him, Like
you don't realize it until later on when they like
say that Diane has psychic power. Yeah, so she saw him,
but I don't feel like I.
Speaker 2: No, I think Robbie sees no, because later the whole
family sees it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, the ghost can pick and choose when you're
allowed to see them. I think that their whole thing
is just they can like communicate with them and see visions.
That's their psychic thing. But yeah, so we get to
meet this Reverend Cain, so we know there's a bad guy.
We know not to trust him. That night, Diane and
her mom have an argument. I think it's about the
psychic powers. I can't remember.
Speaker 3: It's it's the The mom is telling Diane that Caroline,
the grandma, is telling the mom that Caroline is special. Yeah,
and that Carol Anne can see things. And this is
after Grandma had disclosed to Caroline that she could see things.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I think at this point Caroline's drawing pictures
of Cain without realizing it. But yeah, so they have
a little argument. And then Caroline at night her here's
her fake toy telephone go off and then she answers
it and she's telling her grandmother that she'll be good.
But we just saw her grandmother asleep in the other room.
Cut to the next day. Grandma is dead. She's dead.
Speaker 3: Well, she does go in and kiss Grandma on the cheek,
ye right, And also too, she shares her room with Robbie.
Yeah right, But she kisses Grandma on the cheek, and
then she walks into a bedroom and climbs into her
which would.
Speaker 1: Be her bed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, because she's with the parents, goes to grandma
and I'm like, where's where's Robbie? Like the room looked different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Robbie I think has his own bed in the room.
Speaker 3: Right, the same room, a different bed, but the layout
was different. But she kisses Grandma and goes to bed
and is totally unsurprised.
Speaker 1: The next day and she's like, yeah, I already know
it'll be fine. Be weird that she didn't really cry.
I guess. I guess if the ghost of your grandmother's like,
don't worry as she can call. Yeah, I guess it
doesn't really hurt as much.
Speaker 2: If you could just call the.
Speaker 1: So yeah. The mom then flashes back to having a
memory with her mother when they were like out in
the garden and I can't remember what was the flashback.
Speaker 3: So uh, Diane is out cutting roses, yes, and then
has a flashback to when her and her mom planted
the rose bush right right, that was like seven years
old or something.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I forgot the specific memory again. I was
I watched this movie after like working a whole week,
and then I usually don't drink. Well, I do drink
on Sunday nights, but that's a carry okay. But I
was at my friends, I like down more cores.
Speaker 3: I was told there was gonna be a quiz.
Speaker 1: You're doing a great job so far, pleasant memory during
the day, but then at night she has a nightmare
about zombies. Dragger. It's the ground and those zombies look
cool as hell. They look cool as hell. So we
now know the ghosts are coming because they have that
smoke water effect over the house and it's raining ectoplasm
onto the house.
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure what's happening there.
Speaker 3: I thought it was just rain, but the you know
that it was just that house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you see the Yeah, And I like that
Caro Land just has a huge spotlight over her bed.
It's so funny to like, I know what kind of
light they use. I'm like, just so bizarre seeing it
in that room. But yeah, so the ghosts are trying
to communicate with them. They're talking to her on the phone,
but it's not her grandmother. Then they make all the
toys come to life, which is always the scariest part
of this movie. I think this is where she's on
the phone and then the dolls head turns. I'm like, ah, man,
I don't like that.
Speaker 3: The little mechanical robot with the gun.
Speaker 1: So the whole house shakes and they're all freaking out,
and I like, this is one thing that sequels to
sometimes do where they make you think they're gonna rehash
something and then they like throw a curveball, so they
all think Caroline's gone and they find like a shape
with a blanket over because the first one they thought, oh,
we found her and it was the clown toy r.
So in this one they're like, oh no, but then
she actually.
Speaker 3: Is there and that's where she gives the big line.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. The house is like creaking and shaking, and
when they open the door they find Taylor and he's like, Hi,
I'm here to help me with your ghost problem. I
love this. He's like running isn't gonna work. You have
to face this, and they go cut the fuck out
and they go to a dim.
Speaker 3: Well, what would you do?
Speaker 1: You know? I know I love it. In some movie,
like even though like Paranormal Activity, they're like, if you leave,
it'll just follow you. I'm like, yeah, but the characters
don't know that for sure. Why don't they just test
it out?
Speaker 3: You know what I found out is they go to
the diner. It's four in the morning, right, and they're
all there. Craig is having a beer. Steve, yeah, he's
having a beer. The kids are eating They're like, oh,
we want to play games, and you're just like, wait,
your house it was just almost torn away by ghosts
and goblins.
Speaker 1: What's the second time it happened. They're a used to
it by now. Let's play pinball and I love that.
Like at the counter there's a girl with like curlers
in her hair yelling at her friend and they're having
like a huge argument.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that the girl with the curlers in
her hair is Wendy from the old Snapple commercials.
Speaker 1: Oh right, Wendy from the old staple. You know what,
Let me look it up. Let me look it up.
Hold on, I actually don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Do you not know about Snapple commercials?
Speaker 4: Hello from Snapple? Today's letter is from Nancy Lambert Hadug.
Shane can be asleep in the back bedroom, but if
you open a Snapple, she comes running this I gotta say.
Speaker 1: Shanny Wendy's successful Snapple, but she was non in Polar
Guys too. She is in Vegas vacation and enough already,
and funny Valentine and a movie called College Debts.
Speaker 3: I'll have to I'll put those on the list.
Speaker 1: She is retired from activity, I guess. But yeah, I
love that. Like they're arguing about what they're gonna do.
It seems like I'm thinking, could you give me a minute?
I don't know how to deal with ghosts, I'm thinking.
And then the curler girl gets possessed by the grandmother.
It's just like you gotta do this and this and this,
and they're like, what the fuck. When the curler girl
steps out of it, she's like, what do you mean, mom,
Get away from it. Not the weirdest thing I've seen
at a diner late at night. It's not the weirdest.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, If you don't know, but yeah, you know,
you're not often gonna see, you know, a family of four, yeah,
sitting there.
Speaker 1: There was. Once we went to a diner. A guy
went into the bathroom and just came out, just button naked,
screaming and ran into his friend's car to get away
and like everyone looked and there was a cop there,
and he had his food in front of them, and
he could tell. He was like looking around like does
anyone want me to do anything? Like he really didn't
want to address it. So he's like looking around like,
no one bothered to tell he went. You can see.
He's like, oh, thank god, I could finish my meal.
He's like, I really don't want to chase that guy.
Speaker 3: Break there's no body cam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tell, you like said, He's like, please,
no one asked me anything.
Speaker 1: No one. I'm like, okay, got I can. That was
the funniest thing in the world.
Speaker 2: I don't think the guy knew that there was a
Coppit there.
Speaker 3: I could imagine having lost a bet and wind up
doing that.
Speaker 1: So they go outside of the diner and there's just
a very obvious backdrop. That is the fakest backdrop. I
bet they put a couple of cactuses in front of it.
But I'm like, at no point do I think they're
actually in the desert? No? Yeah, And Taylor's there and
he's like, come on, man, you have to trust me.
You have to trust me. And Diane's like, we let's
hear him out. Let's hear this random guy who came
out of nowhere. Uh and see what he asked to say. Uh.
They bring him home and he's like, the house is fine,
but your car is mad at you. He can speak
to the spirit of the car.
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, which comes back later.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is a running gag for the joke at
the end of the film. Uh. He's like, yeah, your
car is mad at you. He's like, what the hell
are you talking about?
Speaker 3: But we have to mention.
Speaker 1: Sorry by my lights just we had a poldergeist in
the store. My lights on the floor just flickered out.
Speaker 3: I am the curse travels, okay, travels with me wherever. Yes,
technical problems. They follow me everywhere. Uh. But we did
have the throwback we have to with Will Samson with
Taylor Yeah, who does play right? So Taylor is that
the native guy and Craig Nelson. I keeps I'm sorry
that I keep her fan.
Speaker 1: I do it all the time.
Speaker 3: Steve says he's like some crazy man who escaped from
an asylum or something.
Speaker 1: Which is funny because one who flour up the group
is he literally escapes the asylum.
Speaker 3: And I was like that is will Sampson.
Speaker 1: And the whole time they're having this conversation, he's just
like doing tight chi. But she says he's like tangina
vouches for him. It's like, okay, I guess. But then
he's like he just makes a bunch of butterflies fly
around him, and they're like, well, surely anyone who hangs
out with butterflies can't be evil. He must be the
nicest guy in the world. But then he's not allowed
in the house. She will they won't let him in
the house. He lives in a tpe outside. I can't
tra all comparisons to anything else that have ever happened.
But he's in a little TV outside or a little
tent and he's just painting Robbie's.
Speaker 3: Face, putting claw marks on his arm.
Speaker 1: And the mom's like, could you not? I love that.
She's basically I want.
Speaker 2: My kids to be normal, not ghost or natives.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, she's talking about how she doesn't
want them hunted by spirits, but for a minute, I
think she wanted It sounded a little racist at first, like, oh, right,
she means.
Speaker 3: I was waiting for the that ship is sailed.
Speaker 1: Lady and then see comes back freaking out. He's like,
you broke my car more because he's like, I'll work
on your car. Comes back, it's basically on fire and
he's just like, you're it's still mad at you. The
car is still mad at you. I wonder iful. A
mechanic is everything.
Speaker 3: Taylor does spend a lot of time, like you know,
with the herbs and the burning of the sage and
all that stuff on this car, and.
Speaker 1: It's tight chi and everything he did, he did.
Speaker 3: Taylor does wind up having a relationship with the car.
Speaker 1: Yes, he does. Carol Anne is uh on the front
lawn and she becomes hypnotized because Kane arrives singing his song,
and as soon as he arrives, it starts raining. Even
though the sun is bright as hell, it just starts rain.
I get they were doing. It's like ghost rain, but
like also the sky should have been a little dark.
Speaker 3: Just stopping by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like uh, And of course the whole family
is creeked out by him.
Speaker 2: Because of course he's like this amish looking dude.
Speaker 1: He's come up. He's like singing to a little girl.
He's being way too polite. They're like, come on, man,
just leave.
Speaker 3: He's he looks like every scary pastor that you know
hung a witch back in you know, New England.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. And he offers to help Steve with his
ghost problem. He's like, I can help you with everything,
and he's trying to gas on. He's like, Taylor's not
a good guy. He's a bad guy. You should trust me.
Different creepy guy who should up at your house. It's
really not the best sales pitch. But you know that
creepy guy at your house. He's no good But I'm
also creepy.
Speaker 3: Right, he's creepier than I am. Did you think there
was like a little bit of a Dracula thing in
there because the kid asks, he keeps asking him to
come in the house. Yeah, Steve never lets him in
the house.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's more like on a psychological level,
like let me in, like to you and whatnot, because
I think he can just go oh, didn't stop him
in the house. But I think it's more like he
just he's hypnotized, like let me in so that I
can like take over the family.
Speaker 2: He wants to kind of like break up the family's love.
Speaker 3: It's such an attractive lovable old man. I'm surprised they
didn't just let him come in and have a cup
of tea.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and like he's like reading Steve's mind. He's like,
you're afraid you're not man enough to help me.
Speaker 3: He's like, how do you know that?
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Diane is getting a vision of Caine with this
cult inside the cave. She's like, what the hell is this?
And then this is when you get the you're gonna die?
Hello everyone, we're interrupting the episode to talk to Tiffany. Hello, Tiffany, Hello, Tony,
how are you all right? And you're the co promoter
of the sci Fi horror Fest that I will be
attending in August.
Speaker 4: Indeed I am and are so excited to have you
and along with your friend's movie Dumpster and Grimmins decl absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be great. Now, how long have you been
doing the Sci Fi horror Fest?
Speaker 4: Now, technically we've been doing it since twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: But I mean, wow, oh that's impressive. So you've you
got a head start and you went back but you
already know all the mistakes you're made, and now you're
going back in time. So when did you actually start.
Speaker 4: What are seventeen? Okay, be fair? I giden from from
a workshop yesterday and on my brain it's completely on
much time. I'm so sorry. We started out on twenty seventeen,
but it was actually author Conon Movie Fest and it
didn't quite catch on because it started out in Oneana
And yeah, it was a little hard because my husband's
a writer and you know, I dabble in it, and
we wanted to give a platform to writers, and not
everybody grabbed the concept. So in Oneana we went from
praying we'd have like twenty to thirty people walk through
the door. Then COVID hit and we had to take
a break, and you know, I was on the fence
of moving and my husband's like, dude, we're going to move,
which is why we're a great balance a lot of
the times. And so COVID was a blessing and we
ended up moving to Vernon Downs where we are now,
and we went from praying that twenty people would walk
to the door and paying out all the time to
we had over four hundred and fifty people and we
had David Howard Thornton in twenty twenty two, so it's
kind of like we're circling back Man's TJ as well.
So yeah, we've grown. So that's how I've been doing it.
Speaker 1: And so everyone knows that I'm going to be there.
Obviously I'm the biggest drawl. Everyone's buying tickets, right, But
what other big guests?
Speaker 4: You are the biggest guests. I mean, your guarantee is
the biggest.
Speaker 1: I mean, but are there any other people who might
be as equal to me from any movie that'll be there?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's gonna be really hard to like match
what you're bringing, but I mean, David Howard Thornton are
at the Clown. He's gonna try. He's gonna give it
the good old college try, you know, basking and your
Light's gonna be difficult, but he's gonna give it a go.
Then we have Samantha Scffiti, who is Victoria Hayes from
from the Cot from Uh Terrifier. We have a little
peril girl Emily McLain, who's going to be there. Then
of course, like we have like half the cast of
Friday the Thirteenth Part sixes. Who doesn't love c J.
Jason boorgez right.
Speaker 1: Six is my favorite? So that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Your favorite gonna love because we got Tommy McLoughlin, who
wrote it, produced it. He's gonna be there. We got
Thomas Matthews, who's the final guy right, who is also
living dad and everything. And then we have Darcy DeMoss,
the beautiful Lisa who got her head smashed into the
Winnebago by by. And then we've got Friday the Thirteenth,
Part five cast. We have Melanie Kinneman who is the
beautiful Pam who overs which this is funny. So Dick
Wien we all know plays Royai Jason right, I worked
direct here for opwd D and OMH. So like when
I see part five, I have so many questions because
I'm like, who oversaw your house? And and and Dick,
like you you had nothing to do with your kid
and then he gets murdered. Now it's everybody's problem, not
just a but now it's everybody's problem.
Speaker 2: Like no, the guy, the guy who killed his kid
gets off Scott free.
Speaker 4: He just goes to jail. But it's everybody else's problem.
So I'm like, I have conversations that I have to
have because we have I mean, the King of Trauma,
Lloyd Kaufman himself will be there, which.
Speaker 1: Is your friends on the show friend.
Speaker 4: Christopher de Chazay. So if you love paranormal and he
wants true haunting on Netflix. He's a ghostboyage and CEO.
We're actually really good friends with him. That has actually
been in the works for quite a while. There's other
movies out about his haunting, his experience, the C two
D one Hauntings. I he'll be there. He's going to
be doing a panel. And then of course we have
Grim from Grim's Horror Show. We have Seago Trachenberg from
Good Badflix who won the Bolo Award from Joe Bob Briggs.
We have this dude who's really really popular and really famous,
like Tony of Hack the movies. He's coming like, yeah.
Speaker 1: He's my favorite. I'll be getting his autogram.
Speaker 4: We're waiting for the lines, like we have specific lines
just for him to make sure that you know, we
have the crowd control and all.
Speaker 1: I think. I think I sent my rider. I'm going
to need ten thousand dollars worth of food in the
back a private bus. I'm sure you got all of that.
Speaker 4: I got brown eminem specific just from Australia. I've got it.
We've got hand fed to you by oomplumpus. I'm working
on it. They're coming, They're coming over.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you mentioned there were some panels. Are there
going to be any contests there? Like costume contests or
cosplay contest?
Speaker 4: So we have so many cool attractions right, so we do.
We're have cost by contacts done with the an adult
and a kid division, and there will be prizes. And
then we also are going to be having a group
photo of how many art the clowns and how many
jasons we can get into a single event and into
one photo. So I need everybody to listen very clearly
to this. It is free to be in the photo.
Registration for the photo is for twelve to four. You
get a white wristband. It's free to be in the photo. However,
if you want to come into the event, you do
have to pay to get into the event. Unfortunately, we
are sold out of VIPN vendor tables. We only have
day and weekend passes left. So again to clarify, you
can be in the photo, which will take place at
five pm Eastern Standard Time on August fifteenth. Registration is
from noon to four any age. You can have any
variation of art, the clown or Jason. We just have
to know what you are or who you are, I
should say. And it is free, but if you want
to get into the.
Speaker 1: Event, you do have to pet awesome. And where can
we get these tickets?
Speaker 4: You can get these tickets at w dot sdi FI,
horror fes dot com or as long as they are available,
we will have them at the door cash only. We
also have a movie rip I believe You're taking place
in it with Graham and everybody on on Saturday. We've
got our We're gonna have Terrifier panels, Freday thirteenth panels. Oh.
We also have Jason Brooks who is amazing fan film
of Vengeance and Vengeance Rosebud Friday the thirteenth, and Naomi
Miller who the FX artists. They will also be there
to their celebrity guests as well. And they just did
the Death of Snow White and they did Slot Diced
so and he might be dressing up as Benny. We've
got tattoo artists, we have fudge, We've got food trucks.
We've got Elm Street Taco who have the most amazing
Mexican food. We have Deli Lizzie who has pulled pork
mac and cheese and hamburgers and hot dogs. We've got
oldies and goodies. We're gonna bring pretzels and kettle corn.
We got La La lemonade that's gonna have a specialized
drink for our event. We are sponsors never More Tattoo
and Collective. They're gonna be their tattooing they have. They
have a mamazing artists. I've got work done by them.
We've got Monster Creek who's going to be bringing some amazing,
amazing monster stuff with Bigfoot. We've got Scope Paranormal as
a sponsor. We also have Third Day Teas who'll create
some of our shirts. Yeah, we have so much good
stuff happening. We have, we have artists, we have jewelers,
we have we have Halloween Night, which is Michael Myers
Versus Batman movie. We're gonna have trauma panels. We've got We've.
Speaker 1: Got amazing but Yeah, I'm very excited for you guys
to come out. I'm very excited to go there. And
that is August fourteenth and fifteenth again in.
Speaker 4: Verting down hotel and casino awesome also heads up. Anybody
as welcome, but if you have a child on the
age of twenty one, you have to be with them
at all times.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, all right, I will see you there, and
I hopefully see all of you there. We're gonna have
a great time. They politely say no, and then he
walks away and he disappears along with the rain. The
nice little crusts ove there and then and then Taylor
comes out. He's like, wow, that was very scary. You
know what, here's a feather, Like thanks, is like that
was your first spiritual battle. Here's a feather he survived first.
So that night, the native is outside, He's looking at
the sky. He's like, I'm seeking power and seems like
I'm seeking booze shugging.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: He's such an alcoholic in this, and I love that.
I guess Robbie's going through puberty. That's the one subplot.
So he wanted to be a man, and he's like
trying to kick Caro Lan out so he could shade.
But there is this is like a really good moment
where like he looks away and the mirror like blinks
and it's all a bunch of ghosts in the mirror.
That was really cool And I love one little skeleton
arm taps him on the shoulder.
Speaker 3: It scares him a lot. I do want to go
back to just the drinking. So Steve is at you know,
he's outside with Taylor and he's swigging tequila from the
bottle and he asks Taylor if he wants him, and
Taylor's like, no, can't drink anymore. And it's like, oh,
you got a problem, and Taylor's like bad dreams.
Speaker 1: Robbie's getting ready to uh shave with.
Speaker 3: The braces start happening.
Speaker 1: Yes, the braces, which, like before I rewatched this like
five years ago, the only things I really could remember
the old guy and the one other big thing was
the braces. Uh yeah, this is I was a kid
with braces, so this was kind of hard to watch.
But yeah, his braces come to life and they just
wrap rud they do that reverse photography. Yeah, it's fucking.
Speaker 3: Creepy and the wire just keeps going and yeah, his
face and his body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it kind of reminds you of the scene
in the first one of the guys like peeling his
face and it just keeps going and going. But yeah,
he's like being cocooned up onto the ceiling and everything,
and the whole time they're trying to help him, Taylor
won't help. He's just he's just sitting with Caroline. He's
not assisting at all. But then the braces disappear and
the sink explodes. I guess the ghosts were bad. They
couldn't get him, so they explode the sink.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean the thing about the braces, it's
to me is like, all right, you're wrapping this kid
in wire, tightening this kid. Then you know, Steve tries
to save him, and Steve starts getting wrapped up in
the wire, but they had to top it off with like, oh,
now the wire has to go into the electrical outlet. Yeah,
the wire never make quite makes it into the electrical
outlet before the electrical outlet starts showing signs of burning
as they were getting closed. And then that was sort
of the There was a a flash, the every you know,
everything sort of disappears.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is what happened when the guy was peeling
his face off of the first one. The lights flash
and he's back to normal. So yeah, and it ends.
Speaker 3: But then we find out that's when we tailor. There's
a lot of old men hugging that little girl and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you couldn't make this movie today, I guess. But
he says they weren't after you, guys, they were distracting you,
which is what they did in the first movie. They
were like they sent a tornado the tree and they
left Caroline alone. It's like, now I was here for her.
She's the one they're actually after.
Speaker 3: Carle An is the one they want.
Speaker 2: Yes, the ghosts still want her.
Speaker 1: Okay. Then like that, Steve goes to sit in the
chair and the ghost launches him across. And again this
is they get a little They really enjoy their effects,
but they I think they show the ghost a little
too much, like we know a ghost did that. We
didn't need to see the white specter form stand up?
Speaker 3: Well doesn't that doesn't that white spector form.
Speaker 1: Then we hear Kane's voice.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I thought.
Speaker 2: He's like, nothing will stop me. I'm not dead.
Speaker 1: I'm still alive for something like that, and Taylor's just like, okay,
I think Kin is a guy who's filled with the
demon and he walks between the living and the dead,
and for some reason he thinks Carol Anne belongs.
Speaker 2: To him, and they're like, well, we're all fucked. How
do we find this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the thing. The thing with Kine, according to Taylor,
is he sort of can't decide where he wants to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: You know, we all move on to eternity.
Speaker 1: It's just a different form, and he just wants control
over his followers and he.
Speaker 3: Just he can't decide.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we don't really.
Speaker 3: Know anything about the followers at this point.
Speaker 1: We're getting glimpses, right, we will get Tangina eventually comes
and lets us know everything.
Speaker 3: Right, because we're we're watching this and other people are
coming up, and there's the visions of Screa and whatnot.
Speaker 1: We have an idea of what's happening. But the next
day he takes Steve to a mountain to do, I
don't know, a sweat lodge or something.
Speaker 3: You know, there's there's there's dozens of sweat lodges within
a quick drive of suburbia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is that they're in suburbia.
Speaker 1: Like, now we're going to a giant like spire in
the middle of the desert and we're gonna do Native
American mad Chick, which again very big in the eighties
and nineties. We did the Prophecy with Christopher Walken. Even
though it's about like Christian angels and stuff, they still
have Indian shamans at the end.
Speaker 3: And at that time, I'm old enough, I'm telling you,
At that time that was a big thing.
Speaker 1: Like you forget how much of it when you rewatch
the X Files, like the early seasons of the X Files.
It's in a lot of episodes and eventually they kind
of got over all of it.
Speaker 3: This this podcast that we're doing right now is going
to inspire somebody, and so we're gonna leave the charismania
on the prophet of God and we're gonna see a
lot more Indian Native American mysticism. Heading back, there was.
Speaker 1: One did you ever see? Not the Prophecy, different movie
Prophecy with the mutant bear. Did you ever see that one?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh man, that was That might have been like early
eighties or late seventies, but that's one where like it
was a bear that was mutated, but like the local
natives think it's like their spirit or something. And the
main Indian is played by Italian Armando Sant with a
tan I'm like, uh.
Speaker 3: John Gutty in Toronto, I you know, I always look
down on you guys to watch these mads. How can
I watch this crap?
Speaker 2: Had?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And then I watch your show and then I'm like,
get that movie a watch, and boy do I get sucked.
Speaker 1: We usually let people know if they're batter now seah,
he's taking them there. I actually love this gag that
they do where Diane's home, here's a knocking at the
door and she opened up the things. She can't see anyone,
so immediately like, oh, it's the ghost messing with her.
And then it happens again. You're like, oh, no, she
obsorbs actually tangina, but she's tiny, Like that's funny, that's
actually really This movie has a couple of good things
in it. Man, that was like one of those really
good moments.
Speaker 3: Just but it's also too it's like this suburban sort
of seventies house, like Levettown in California. Yeah, and they
have they had they had that door thing like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the really big peopole, that's the big door. Yeah,
good luck pretending you're not home with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's like a Dracula movie or you know,
like Eastern Europe in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, uh so she brings her up to
date on the COLT. She's like, let me show you
some pictures, and I think she sees Kane and starts
freaking out. She's like, I knew you'd react like that.
Speaker 3: Well, she hands her one and says, tell me how
you feel with this in your hand. Yeah, and then
and she hands her the one of Cain Yeah, and Caro.
Diane gets a feeling mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And then that's when so at the same time she's
getting updated, she's like, yeah, they be found a cave.
We have no records of who these people are. We
think it might be these people. And it's like, but
there was a mass suicide down there. You need to
use your psychic powers to let us know what happened.
And while that's happening, Steve is like dealing with a
smoke monster on his spirit journey.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Spirit like bites him.
Speaker 2: And then he inhales it.
Speaker 3: I don't know what is happening, so he's got Well,
it's actually pretty funny because Will Will I'm just gonna say,
Will Smith Taylor hits hits the the peace pipe, yeah right,
and he blows the smoke into Steve's face and instead
of it like naturally coming right up Steve's nose and
Steve becomes aware.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then and if you ever want it shirtless, CRAIGT. Nelson,
you got here baby.
Speaker 3: In his prime, in his prime, not ripped.
Speaker 1: It all that. Back in the day, male actor would
take a shirt off and just look normal. Now they
have to like get extremely ripped.
Speaker 3: Just stupid superhero movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah to us. Yeah, see how she uses her power
to look back in time. And basically Caine was a
cult leader and he predicted the end of the world
and he locked all his followers in the cave. Then
the end of the world didn't happen, and he was
like oh, and then he wouldn't let them leave, and
he was all sweaty, and I thought like maybe he
lit them on fire or something, and it looked like
he was wearing like oil, like he was gonna burn
all of them. But I'm not really sure what happened
down there. But he wouldn't let his followers leave the cave.
And even in death, he won't let them cross over
to the other side.
Speaker 3: And you see in that scene there's a bunch of
kids like no, yeah, so they couldn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's why carol An they're drawn to
her light. She can lead them to the light. And
he's like, I don't want anything to do with that.
We got to keep all these people under control. So
that night the family is freaked out again and Steve
tries to cheer him up, but it doesn't work. So
he's like, you know what, let's get drunk. And then
he's got the little tequila bottle with the worm in it, which,
by the way, I had to look up what the
whole worm thing was.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I knew tequila has a worm in it,
but I didn't know why. Do you know the why.
Speaker 3: If I did, I don't anymore. I just all I
just you know, tequila was always was not a premium drink, right,
it was just what you drank to get drunk. Yeah,
And it was always like, ooh, if it does a
worm in it, it's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then I remember, you know in my youth that
it would have psychedelic properties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I googled that. Based off my very quick research. One,
it's not a worm, it's actually moth larva, like a caterpillar.
And apparently old bottles of whiskey they would apparent, like
I guess wherever they made them, occasionally one of those
would get in there, caterpillar would get into a bottle.
But then apparently the forties and fifties they started putting
them in there in purpose and then telling like foreigners visitors.
Speaker 2: Were like, yeah, it's the worm.
Speaker 1: It adds to it, but don't drink it. It doesn't
give you psychedelic powers. And I think the people who
think it does, I think they just drank the whole bottle.
Speaker 3: Before, because in this our more larvae as an ee right, yeah,
and the eye opens wide, and I'm like, you know,
is that magic or is that Steve being drunk?
Speaker 2: Now that was magic? Guess it turns out that that
was a magic larva.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The whole worm thing, it bothered me for years,
and I finally looked it up, like I saw, like,
what's the two of this worm? Why did we do it?
Speaker 3: It was you know, being of a certain age, you
would get those right, And that would always be the thing,
like who gets the worm? Passing the bottle around and
trying to like, okay, are you gonna be the one
that gets the worm? Aorre you gonna be the one
that gets the worm, and then there were some people
that it was the most disgusting thing on the planet,
and other people were like, I hope they get the.
Speaker 1: Worm now that I know it's not supposed to be
in there, I'm mad at people who do leave the
worm in there, Like that's just gross. Now I'm just
figuring a mouff larva. That's fucking disgusting. Outside, we see
all the ghosts walking toward the house in a cool
shot of like all like the specters are all smoky.
Steve gets possessed because he drank the worm and Kane
takes over and that's what And again he's got a
lot of acting to do, so he's acting like the
drunk version of his character. And now he's acting like Kane.
He gets to be the bad guy for a bit.
He's fucking killing it in this movie. Is holy damn.
They even like mess with this makeup also to make
them like a little paler.
Speaker 3: It looks it looks like he goes his back.
Speaker 1: The lights fell off again. What is happening?
Speaker 3: It's like you and you forcoming back on?
Speaker 1: Oh no, are you here to take me to the
other side?
Speaker 3: Oh you weren't. You didn't know that I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I really wish that.
Speaker 3: Funny would be if I came here and this was
the last podcast you got to do it, and I
walked out.
Speaker 2: Like there were so many movies I didn't get to.
Speaker 1: No, boter no. So yeah, he gets creepy with Caroline.
He's like, I need to talk to your mother alone.
But then he reveals what's on her mind. It's like,
you don't even want Caroline. You wish she was never here.
She's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he gets again, you know, something that you
could do back in the eighties you couldn't do now.
There's he's getting violent, right yeah, her, like in a
sexually abusive way, and it's like, I want you. How
come I don't get.
Speaker 1: Any He's been very aggressive, very very very and she's
like freaked out, and then she kind of like puts
it together, like even at his drunkest, he wouldn't do this.
She's like, Okay, well, there's ghosts around and I just
saw someone get possessed. I'm gonna I'm gonna pretty much
deduce that this is something possessing my husband. And she
she does the power of love. She's like, I love you,
and then the power of love reminds Steve and he
vomits out the fucking worm man. Who then it crawls
underneath the bed and you hear it growing, which I
thought was creepy.
Speaker 3: Wow, Look it wasn't just a worm man though. Like
this guy. He takes in this little two inch worm, right,
and then he's gagging up this monster. Would you think
is gonna be you know, kind of long and thin,
and you know he never tries to pull it out.
That that blows me away. He stands with his arm
his side and that thing never ends. It just it
just keeps going and going. It's like, you know, twice
the size of Steve for what would fit in his torso.
But yeah, the worm comes out and there's a face.
Speaker 1: Yes, now, I think this is one of the ones
that hr G. Eager designed and they kind of make
it look like Kne's face. But they found an actual amputee.
I think he only has one arm and he's missing
two legs and another arm. So they found an actual
amputee to put this suit on. And he's just wiggling
and stuff. It's one of the best like practical effects
in the movie is this worm man. It's very disturbing.
But it slithers out and they're like, oh shit, it's
in the house. They search for the kids, and then
as good as that effect was, this is when we
get the giant Medusa beast monster. Yes, the stop motion
beast monster that's poorly blue. It's bad.
Speaker 3: Well I assumed that that was what came out of
Steve and then yeah, it crawled away and it turned
into that bro right, So it was like one of
like it came out and it's like one of the
people in that cave trying to get out, and then
it seems like it's all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like all their faces are in a face
is in it, which is creepy. But yeah, it just
looks bad. It looks like a really bad Medusa and
it grabs Steve and thank god he inhaled that Native
American smoke, Yeah, because he vomits it out and it
shoots it into like another plane of existence. So yeah,
they're all terrified. I do like the zombies in the closet,
Like the momb opens on the closet and there's all
these zombies, but then it's just the stuff falling on
that was really fun. They find Robbie and then they
look for Caroline and this is good because she's in
the car. She still thinks her dad's possessed. And he's like, no,
look my hair is handsome now. It's not sweaty anymore.
Speaker 3: Not as pale as I was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not as pale as I was ten minutes ago.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: They managed to all get in the car and then
this is when like the freaking cables come to life
and the dog has a hero moment where it grabs
the cable.
Speaker 3: The dog is a hero moment. We get the errant chainsaw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the chainsaw comes to life and it's like chainsaw
in the car, up and down, it like falls everywhere.
Speaker 3: It hits the car first and doesn't do anything right.
It's it's on the car. It just you know, scratches it. Yeah,
and then the next thing, you know, it's cutting through
all parts of it. But that was where the throwback
was to in that scene. Is is with Carol Anne,
cause it's like, why did you go to the car?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a.
Speaker 3: Taylor told me it was a safe place.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 3: So Taylor had, you know, he'd gotten that relationship right
with the car.
Speaker 1: He didn't magic on that car.
Speaker 2: The car's spirit. This is like the opposite of Christine.
Speaker 3: This is a nice car, and we had to do
the obligatory. It won't start yeah, start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was still mad at sea. For whatever
he did put the wrong oil in it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They make it out of there finally, and then they
go back to their old house in the old development
and they go into the cave and I'm sorry, you
can never pay me to get into that cave, but
I love that, Like the Caroline and the mom like
trip and like, oh no, we're in the spirit world.
It's like, oh, you just fall into it like that
kind of like the New back Rooms. You can just
fall into another universe.
Speaker 3: Very reminiscent of that when they fall into this other universe.
I don't remember the name of the person. But when
you were doing Poltergeist one case, yes, and life forms
came up.
Speaker 1: Life forms the movie.
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned the most life force life force, life force.
Speaker 1: Yes, but this is the alien vampire, right.
Speaker 3: But there the lighting effects, there's a lot of that,
like the light and then the light shoots down the
characters and goes back and you're supposed to try to
figure this out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to rewatch Life for Us. It's a
good one.
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you. You got to read the book.
Oh that was based off a book that's based off
of Now, let me tell you the book is amazing.
Speaker 2: Is it still got a naked vampire lady from space?
Speaker 3: It wasn't. It wasn't about No, it wasn't about a
naked vampire.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Look, I read the book probably six months before I
saw the movie, so it.
Speaker 1: Was a while.
Speaker 3: It's been a while, but I don't remember any naked woman,
you know, in the book. But I also do remember,
as we said earlier, going to the video store and
getting it and being so excited because I liked the
book so much, and me going, oh my god, what
a piece of gard.
Speaker 1: You were like this Patrick Stewart guy, he'll never take
in the acting world. My friend Lena from the Beautiful
Dead podcast, she recently just did Life for Us. I
got to do that. At some point. I've been meaning
to rewatch Big Boob's vampire lady. What work could you
ask for?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because the book is really more about aliens, yeah,
and and draining. I just remember it being good. Now.
I was a kid when I read it. But I
was really lucky back then because I had I lived
in Queen's went to school in Manhattan, say this like
two hour train ride each way. Yeah, and I would
just read book after book, you know, paperback books. So
I like, I read Jaws way before the movie came out,
Amityville Horror, like all that stuff, and then you would
go see them and you'd be like, oh, they destroyed that. Wait,
Whooper lives? This is no good.
Speaker 1: Oh. I think Peter Benchley was fine with all the
changes they made in Challs. He thought it was okay.
Which funny because National Ge for the fiftieth or fiftieth anniversary.
Speaker 2: They sent me a bunch of Jaws stuff last year,
and they sent me the book.
Speaker 1: And in the book it has like Peter Benchley's like
notes and like one of them is just all the
titles they didn't use.
Speaker 2: He just has like a million titles that just didn't.
Speaker 1: Make it there. Yeah, the book has like the Mafia
and stuff in it. I think it gets it.
Speaker 2: I think the movie did a good job of eliminating
some stuff.
Speaker 3: It's I think the only real reference, if I remember,
with the Mafia was.
Speaker 1: The police chief Rody, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Was like had been a New York Yeah copy in
the and there was something to do with that why
he was out and.
Speaker 1: Oh okay he was on the runnersthing.
Speaker 3: Or just like you know he wanted peace and quiet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I should read that book. I've never actually
you sat and read through the whole Jaw's book.
Speaker 3: I gotta do that, right, So I have to do
the other part of it. Being a kid, my grandmother
used to get Readers Digest and they were Readers Digest books, right,
So it was a book and it would have like
four or five books in it, but they weren't the
full of they were brig they're like chapters, like read
versions of the book. And sometimes you would read them.
That's how I first read Jaws. And then you're like,
I got to read the book. And then other times
you would read them and you'd go, I never want
to read them.
Speaker 2: I don't care to see how that ends.
Speaker 3: Or the worst was when you would read the Reader's
Digest and you'd say, oh, man, I can't wait to
read the book. And then you'd read the book and
you go, they had all the good parts, and.
Speaker 1: It's like you see a movie. You're like, the good
parts are in the trailer. Yeah, could have just skipped
the whole movie. But where were we on this? Sorry,
sometimes it's sidetracked here, I say, they fall into the
spirit world. Steve heres Taylor chanting, and he goes to
see what he's doing. And then a big tentacle head
comes out and it grabs Robbie and Steve and they
go into the other side and it looks like shitating
on a glue on a blue screen. There's just like
weird clouds behind them, and the wirework isn't even that good.
They're like, oh, and uh, the beast shows up again
with Caroline looking like a Medusa thing. It's real ridiculous.
I love the Taylor puts the spear into the fire
and that puts it in the spirit.
Speaker 3: Taylor's because Taylor's out back, right out of fire, and
Tarl's like.
Speaker 1: I lost them. Yeah, he throws the spirit and then
like uh, Steve heroically spears the beast and sends it
into hell. I guess I don't know where it went
on lights. But during this Caroline gets they let go over.
She falls toward the light. What are they gonna do?
Who's gonna save them? I know, got scramdma, we'll save them.
Speaker 3: Well, Caroline goes right, So she goes into this line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and which is the other side?
Speaker 3: And so now Joe, Beth, Steve or you know, they're
on their wires. But the wire we've lost her and
they're staring into this abyss of light. And what happens
We shadow of the right and we see Caroline coming
out with Grandma.
Speaker 1: The biggest robe of all. It's like she couldn't have
helped earlier in the movement, Like she's just giving them signals.
And so wait, where was Grandma when the big tentacle
monster was grabbing them? She really shut up last minute,
bitch died?
Speaker 3: Dare you do that?
Speaker 1: But yeah, so they spear the beast, they get Caroline,
they go back to the real world. Uh, and everyone's
happy and Jeans like the spirits have finally crossed over.
I guess they fouled Caroline into the light or whatever.
It's a big happy ending and Taylor's just like, your
car still, Maddie, and I love that. Steem's like, you
know what, take the car.
Speaker 3: Take the car. You can have the car.
Speaker 1: You could just have the car. It can be yours.
It's like, oh, man, that's great. So he says goodbye
to everyone. They're all happy. But as he's driving away,
they realized that that was the right.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, the chuckling, Oh now we're gonna need a
ride home.
Speaker 1: And they just burst down the street. They're like yelling
at him to come down. And that was Poltergeist too. Again,
they got lucky with this sequel. The next movie they
did not get as lucky. The next movie did not
do well. Only Heather O'Rourke came back, and then she
died while making well, actually, no, she died, and then
they went, we need to do some reshoots with the ending,
and the director's like, but she's dead. So the movie
ends with like the one lady holding Caroline but not
showing her face because it's clearly a whole new actress.
And then Poltergeist went away, and then it came back
as a remake that I still have not watched.
Speaker 3: I have not seen it either.
Speaker 1: I'll have to do that.
Speaker 3: But look, I mean it's not a great movie. No right, no,
but it's an hour and a half long. It's like
an hour and thirty seven minutes. I think you won't
feel like, oh my god, I've lost that hour in
thirty seven minutes.
Speaker 2: Now there's enough interesting stuff there.
Speaker 3: Isn't There is enough interesting stuff. And Craig T. Nelson, Yeah,
I don't know why, but he does. He just does
a good job in it.
Speaker 1: He does he I think his character just had the
most to do. He was the most different from the
last movie. Everyone else is kind of going through the motions. Yeah,
and even Tangina didn't really do anything exciting in this.
Speaker 3: No, she's she talks a few she's like it's almost
a cameo, right, Yeah, you know, she's a door feel
the pictures, but.
Speaker 1: You don't get the like go into the night like
She's not when Taylor is helping them, she's not also
there yelling and giving them instructions. She's just kind of
in the background.
Speaker 3: It did also feel like they really went heavy with
the special effects. Yeah, over the top.
Speaker 1: This is when they, like, again it's eighties, the effects
were getting better and each sequel wanted to show how
much more they could do, and sometimes they got a
little carried away, and I think this was one of them,
because again, there's there's some really great effects in here,
and then you get the technical monster and it's distracting
from the good ones. You know.
Speaker 3: I'm still trying to figure out how the technical monster
and ghosts. It's like, wait, what lot did you get
that from? Uh?
Speaker 1: But yeah, will you be? Will you continue? Will you
go watch polter Geist three? Now?
Speaker 2: Do you need to know how the story ends?
Speaker 3: So I will watch Poltergeist three. You don't have to,
but assuming but I was used to it to me
and and said watch it on t B and t
B has commercials, yes, And I'm like, and I have
to admit, We've been talking about this for months and
I didn't watch it till last night.
Speaker 1: That's okay, And I watched it. I watched it like
a month ago, but I wasn't doing notes, and then
I took my notes last night.
Speaker 3: I was telling somebody on DM last night and I said,
I gotta watch this goddamn movie.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Ah, but it's on YouTube on video on demand and
I have the premium so no captions, which was a
little rough because there's the sound isn't great, you know,
it's for the.
Speaker 1: Record Toob's commercials are fine, Yeah they are.
Speaker 3: They're not aggressive, right, they are. Actually I used to.
Speaker 1: Use Pluto and that was the worst it would play
like eight commercials and then like four of them would
just be the same commercial over again.
Speaker 3: You know, back in the day AMC was commercial free.
And then I was watching like an old Dracula movie,
you know, in the old Universal movies, and like, right
in the middle of a sentence, yeah, they just start
running a car commercial and I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 1: The most famous one when we did The Ring, I
watched it on it was It's one of my favorite examples.
I told the story before, but when we did the
first Ring, the very opening scene where she finds her
friend dead and then she gets all gray and uh
on Pluto, it cut to like a a h Huggies
like niper commercial for Born to Be Wild. So it's
like teenage girl, die cut your baby going bod. That
the most ridiculous cut I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: It's better than the Rumble ads, the what Rumble You
ever watch Rumble?
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I'm sure people are watching this on
Rumble right now, schmule.
Speaker 3: They don't want you to know. They are coffee as
harming you. You need Patriot coffee.
Speaker 1: I you know what, I really liked using Rumble Studio
and doing those ad reads. But I could not get
ten people to watch me on Rumble, so we only
did a couple of them. I was enjoying, like you
need your patriot gaming chair, your Patriots something.
Speaker 2: I had such a good time, but my audience would
not go to Rumble.
Speaker 3: Fine, but yeah, my helper, the guy who got me
started in this, Dave Sarah. I'm always like, hey, can
you set up a Rumble stream for me? And he's like, yeah,
we can, And it's been about a year and we've
never gotten there. And then yesterday I was like, you
know what might be fun is we could watch Poltergeist
too on Rumble. And then I'm thinking I could watch
it alone at home too, and it's gonna be the
same thing.
Speaker 1: But if an ever, if an episode ever disappears from YouTube,
check Rumble. They're there. A lot of the missing episodes
are on Rumble over there, but Schmuel, I assume Rumble
is one of them. But where can we find you?
Speaker 3: I am at Buckman, Schmuel on X and Schmuell Buckman
on YouTube, and my shows are Tuesday and Thursday regularly,
and during the summer, I generally do a backyard stream
next to a fire pit in about ten o'clock on
Saturday nights. But like subscribe and hit notifications because I
do pop up.
Speaker 1: Every now and then. Yes, yes, And they're great streams.
There's never any difficulty with them.
Speaker 3: Not at all.
Speaker 1: There's there's never been a stream where you disappeared for
like twenty minutes and your guests had to carry the show.
They're really great.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm like, Notoria for screwing up.
Speaker 5: And you know what the worst part is. The worst
part is I actually prep, so I will, I will prep.
This was last night, right, I prep beforehand, I.
Speaker 3: Well an hour and a half before I got everything
set everything. Oh and I do a show with quad
Father called What's Your Point where we argue with each
other on Sunday afternoons and I sit down and YouTube
wone hook up from evmuks and it just I have.
I don't know why you're all using ev bucks.
Speaker 1: All I ever hear are complaints with complaints about ev monks.
Speaker 3: We all use it for one reason and one reason only. Okay, Well,
the reason why we switched over there is because super tip.
They you can do a web source on evmoksh and
their sort of basic their fifty dollars a month package. Yeah,
and you can't do that in streaming.
Speaker 1: That's not right. Yeah, so okay, well that makes sense.
But yeah, everyone I know who uses ev box just
keeps complaining about it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why are you guys doing?
Speaker 1: I actually like.
Speaker 3: It better than I liked it. I don't know. It
could's been a year, so I don't know. Maybe stream
ARD's gotten better, but I do like it better okay
than that, but this was not this was Look ninety
nine percent of these things, or as my wife would say,
user error. You know, it's Saturday night. I go to stream.
I'm seeing my camera on you know, in the in
the evimuk studio. It's going great. Uh, nobody's seeing it
on the internet. YouTube is playing, it's not there. I'm
cursing it out. I use a new cable. I'm sure
it's the new cable. Is that I am admitting Now
I didn't add myself to the scene.
Speaker 1: That's great. So subscribed to.
Speaker 3: So it's always a fun time. And even if I suck,
I've got the greatest chat in the biz.
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Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, and I encourage it.
Speaker 3: I encourage everyone else to do that as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, especially since I need to get a new maybe
by the time miss Airs I have it. But I
have to get a new computer. Isn't that green.
Speaker 3: Start to go fundme?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I'm good. I know you dabble verse people
really love your cofundmes. But I'm good. Uh yeah, I
need to. I need to. My computer won't support Windows eleven.
It's too old. I've been milking it for years. It's
slower than it should be. And I'm just like, I'm
not there yet. And finally my computer goes yeah, we
can no longer update the program he used to edit.
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