Speaker 1: Weird things happened in.
Speaker 2: Weird, Weird Weird. All right, welcome to the King Arthur episode.
Speaker 3: Alright, alright, alright, yeah, let's where you going, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be a follow up to last week's
Speaker 2: episode that was that is Merlin, Right, what's coming out? Nice?
Speaker 2: It's pretty positive.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I don't know, it's been like since six.
Speaker 2: Weeks since we've actually gotten together. Yeah, but I wanted
Speaker 2: to take a different route this time, so I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna spend like, virtually any time at all going the
Speaker 2: route of the Merlin episode trying to debate was he real?
Speaker 2: Did King Arthur exist? I'm going to kind of breeze
Speaker 2: through the historicity of that, But I wanted to spend
Speaker 2: the majority of this time focusing on the myth and
Speaker 2: ritual symbolism of the allegory of the Arthur myn because
Speaker 2: there is so much information about the you could say,
Speaker 2: hermetic philosophy or al chemical symbolism or whatever existing in
Speaker 2: the story of Arthur. Because there's like no genuine evidence
Speaker 2: that he did exist as a real person. So I
Speaker 2: was like, why spend all this time trying to, you know,
Speaker 2: debate that or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I mean he's talked about in historical circles
Speaker 3: and shit, but it's another thing like Merlin, like we
Speaker 3: don't know for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, there was like way more evidence that Merlin may
Speaker 2: have actually existed more. Yes, really, yeah, there's there's a
Speaker 2: lot more. We'll just blow through the the historicity of Arthur,
Speaker 2: blow on through it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, you know know that was a word until
Speaker 4: we started doing the show, and it's like one of
Speaker 4: my favorite words. I think, historicity, historicity. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: up tongue.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: The earliest reference to King Arthur is in Welsh poetry
Speaker 2: and chronicles from the sixth and seventh centuries. Like the
Speaker 2: Welsh poem e god Dolden mentions a warrior named Arthur
Speaker 2: Golden got it in, he got it in, he got
Speaker 2: it in. My man, Arthur people that sword out of stone,
Speaker 2: and then he got it in and then Ninias. In
Speaker 2: the ninth century, uh, the historian wrote History of Brittonum,
Speaker 2: which includes a list of twelve battles that a man
Speaker 2: named Arthur supposedly fought. Then you have Jeffrey of Monmouth,
Speaker 2: the really I guess he's like one of the really
Speaker 2: famous writers of King Arthur. He wrote all the Merlin Stones. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: in the twelfth century Historia region Brittannier The History of Britain,
Speaker 2: which significantly expanded the Arthur myth but it's like considered
Speaker 2: more literary, like you know, like how he was about
Speaker 2: Merlin writing just this epic story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like in place of the lost mythology of Britannia.
Speaker 2: He wasn't like this is the true history, you know,
Speaker 2: he was he was just yeah, he was like canneling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a pseudo historian, right, like we talked about
Speaker 3: in the other episode.
Speaker 2: Right, there's not really any archaeological evidence. Although something really
Speaker 2: cool is there actually is a genuine sword in the stone.
Speaker 2: There is, yes, but it's in Tuscany, Italy, and it
Speaker 2: is a real historical account of a saint named Galgano
Speaker 2: who is officially sanctioned as a saint by the Catholic Church.
Speaker 2: And he was like a warrior who was just this
Speaker 2: vicious warrior who had so many, like obviously all victorious
Speaker 2: battles and was renowned as a warrior. And then eventually
Speaker 2: he became like a monk and he didn't like violence
Speaker 2: and war anymore, and he wanted to be like an
Speaker 2: ascetic kind of living as a hermit up in a monastery.
Speaker 2: So he like proclaimed before God that he would see
Speaker 2: his fighting in all this violence, and he shoved his
Speaker 2: sword into a stone, and it's regarded as an actual miracle.
Speaker 2: No way, yep, you can visit it in Tuscany, Italy.
Speaker 2: It's still there. Yeah what Yeah, it's actually there. It's
Speaker 2: like a real archaeological site.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at it now because I just got a
Speaker 4: new favorite saint.
Speaker 2: Can you show me?
Speaker 3: I just want to.
Speaker 2: I just want to see it. Is it on your phone?
Speaker 4: Hey, let me get a good picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 3: I want to. I would love to see that.
Speaker 2: That's insane.
Speaker 3: I have always wondered where that myth came from and
Speaker 3: if there was an actual sword in the stone. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I knew about the one in Disney World.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, have you ever tried to pull it?
Speaker 3: I think when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: No way, that is so crazy. Yeah, it's actually in
Speaker 2: the stone. Yo. And he's like a legit Catholic saint,
Speaker 2: Like this is not some like legend like, no, he
Speaker 2: was a real guy. Dude.
Speaker 4: I tried to pull the one at Disney. You did yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't get it.
Speaker 2: You know, there's somebody watching at all times, like randomly.
Speaker 4: And they flipped the switch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he didn't like me. I didn't like me either. Man.
Speaker 3: I think it's usually like for kids, like little kids
Speaker 3: and stuff, which is cool.
Speaker 2: That's sweet. No, no, no, how cool would I be
Speaker 2: if I got that thing?
Speaker 3: You'd finally be cool.
Speaker 2: Finally. I've actually never seen it like come out.
Speaker 4: Does it?
Speaker 2: Does it come all the way out or how does that?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it just comes out.
Speaker 4: Like a little more than it already is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be really cool, you know. Weird synchronicity. Actually,
Speaker 2: I didn't even make this connection till just now, but
Speaker 2: I've spent like all day and last night researching King Arthur,
Speaker 2: and right before you guys came here, I was like
Speaker 2: just scrolling through my social media and I randomly saw
Speaker 2: this podcast. It was called like Billion Dollar Brand or something.
Speaker 2: I don't follow this podcast. They just popped up like algorithm,
Speaker 2: and I didn't even think about it in the moment,
Speaker 2: but it is a little weird. And the guy was
Speaker 2: talking about how Disney is like they're becoming so big
Speaker 2: now that they're fading away from the magic that they
Speaker 2: used to have. And he was like, for example, dude,
Speaker 2: many years ago, it was this really cool thing where
Speaker 2: you know, they sit around and they watch all these
Speaker 2: little kids trying to pull the sword from the stone,
Speaker 2: and then they let some kid at random pull it
Speaker 2: and it's exciting and everybody around is, you know, so
Speaker 2: freaked out or whatever. And now it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: follow this rule to enjoy this experience. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if you heard this lately, but they had that
Speaker 2: like Star Wars hotel. You know, it was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: they came out in a Star Wars hotel and it
Speaker 2: was like a disaster of epic proportions. What happened?
Speaker 3: What do you mean I heard about the hotel?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, it's it's just like, you know,
Speaker 2: people pay like five thousand dollars and for two nights
Speaker 2: or something like that. And there's this this person I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna go like into extreme detail about this, but
Speaker 2: there's this person on YouTube who did like a four
Speaker 2: hour vlog video showing like every single thing about this
Speaker 2: experience that just absolutely sucked. And the whole reason I
Speaker 2: bring it up is like it's really weird that I
Speaker 2: randomly saw this video about the Sword and the Star
Speaker 2: while I'm like spending all day. I didn't even think
Speaker 2: about it in the moment.
Speaker 4: What was one of the things that sucked?
Speaker 2: Just like like absolute zero level of immersion, Like just
Speaker 2: not what it was advertised to be. The experience was
Speaker 2: just really like shallow and very corporate.
Speaker 4: I mean, will be honest, I don't really feel like
Speaker 4: I'm part of the Incredibles when I go to the
Speaker 4: what's it called, I don't know, the Incredible one.
Speaker 3: What they have an Incredibles hotel?
Speaker 4: Yeah they do, Yeah, the the one that the monail
Speaker 4: goes through.
Speaker 2: You mean, I don't know, dude, I just don't it's
Speaker 2: on the it's the I'll find out.
Speaker 3: Hang, I just don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. Yeah, but cool, cool.
Speaker 2: Alex so a little bit about Saint Gulgano. Though he
Speaker 2: was an Italian, saying from Tuscany, he was obviously like
Speaker 2: a violent night and became a hermit, and and he
Speaker 2: was born in choose contemporary. Sorry, that has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with the Incredibles, bro. So, I'm just saying all
Speaker 2: of the rooms are incredible themes. All that really yes,
Speaker 2: at least the one I.
Speaker 3: Was okay, And because that one was incredible.
Speaker 2: All the incredible contemporary is so much more than your
Speaker 2: little Incredibles room. Bro, that's crazy, man. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean that's that's where the sword and the Stone comes from.
Speaker 2: I just I thought that was really cool. That's epic.
Speaker 2: He died in eleven eighty one, and then his sanctity
Speaker 2: as a saint was recognized in eleven eighty five, so.
Speaker 3: Four years after his death, and that's like hundreds of
Speaker 3: years after these myths of King Arthur started emerging. So
Speaker 3: then they must have changed over time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. The if I'm reading this correctly, the
Speaker 2: twelfth century writer, Yes, in the twelfth century, that would
Speaker 2: be in the eleven hundreds, when Jeffrey of Monmouth started writing.
Speaker 2: I want to look up when he actually wrote that
Speaker 2: Historia Region Britannier.
Speaker 3: I could have sworn when we did the Merlin episode.
Speaker 3: It's funny because the people watching are like, you just
Speaker 3: did that last week, but it's actually been a long.
Speaker 2: Time, five or six weeks.
Speaker 3: I could have sworn that he wrote that in like
Speaker 3: five or six, like the fifth or sixth century or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but those earlier writings about he wrote different texts,
Speaker 2: and those were about Merlin and then about Arthur. A
Speaker 2: lot of the text that we discussed in the Merlin
Speaker 2: episode were written even in like the four hundreds. Remember
Speaker 2: about Murden, the shitty one, Yes, the shitty one Celtic druid.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Didn't his name like actually translate to like the shitty
Speaker 3: yeah Murden.
Speaker 2: So they changed it to Merlin, remember, because that's what
Speaker 2: it sounded like. Yeah, So let's see Galgano died in eleven.
Speaker 2: I just had it up, but I had to scroll
Speaker 2: back eleven eighty five. Historia was actually so it was
Speaker 2: actually written fifty years before he the Sword in the Stone. Oh,
Speaker 2: King Arthur's Story Wow, by Jeffrey Monmouth. So that's really cool.
Speaker 2: I didn't really think too deeply about that earlier. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so this episode is going to be in three phases.
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to break it up and keep
Speaker 2: it really concise between the different phases. The first phase,
Speaker 2: I want to talk about a little bit of my
Speaker 2: experience in Europe and why I was so like heated
Speaker 2: to do King Arthur when I got back. And then
Speaker 2: the second phase is going to be a little bit
Speaker 2: about this that movie I was telling you about, Yes,
Speaker 2: and then the third phase is going to be about
Speaker 2: the alchemical symbolism. So when I was in Germany, like
Speaker 2: two weeks ago at this point, I guess we had
Speaker 2: our trip to the Netherlands planned. And when we got
Speaker 2: to the Netherlands, there was like two things we had
Speaker 2: booked on a three day trip, and it was the
Speaker 2: Vango Museum, which was really cool, and the I think
Speaker 2: it's called the Reich's Museum. It might I think it's
Speaker 2: the Reichs Yeah, and it's like the main art museum
Speaker 2: of Amsterdam. And we get there the first day in
Speaker 2: the Netherlands and we're eating this amazing Dutch food and like,
Speaker 2: we're so tired, we've been traveling all day and we
Speaker 2: were so hungry, and we're sitting there eating this Dutch food,
Speaker 2: having this experience and we're like, Wow, this is so awesome.
Speaker 2: And we were just like what should we do because
Speaker 2: we didn't want to like overbook our trip. We just
Speaker 2: wanted to kind of figure out things to do. And
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, there's this place that's been
Speaker 2: recommended to me by people in our discord and I've
Speaker 2: seen videos on TikTok about it called the Embassy of
Speaker 2: the Free Mind, and it's like this hermetic museum. I
Speaker 2: started looking it up and I was like, oh my god, dude,
Speaker 2: it's down the road from our airbnb. Oh, no, way,
Speaker 2: we got to go. Yeah, I was on the same street.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a series of canals in Amsterdam, so
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, oh, it's kind of like a
Speaker 2: circle in the streets blossom out in a circle and
Speaker 2: they just go around the central point or whatever. So
Speaker 2: these streets are like really long semi circles around the canal.
Speaker 2: And we were here and then the museum was up
Speaker 2: on that same street, so I was like, dude, we
Speaker 2: got to go. So I was telling my wife like,
Speaker 2: I want to book this. We can do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: I want to do this. And I started of reading
Speaker 2: into it a little bit and found out that the Netherlands,
Speaker 2: particularly Amsterdam, is actually the hermetic capital of the world. Right.
Speaker 2: I was like, what, I didn't know that either. Amsterdam
Speaker 2: is Yeah, it's the hermetic capital of the world. Why,
Speaker 2: I mean, does it does it tell you? Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a reason because in the Medieval Ages and the Renaissance era,
Speaker 2: when the Rosicrucians were starting to spread. You obviously had
Speaker 2: like templars during the Crusades, and you had all these
Speaker 2: different traditions Kabbala, and then Masonry was beginning to form,
Speaker 2: and obviously you had the alchemical Renaissance, and just all
Speaker 2: of this knowledge was beginning to like explode in the
Speaker 2: undercurrent of philosophical thought in Europe. The Church was like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, and they like had this brutal oppression towards
Speaker 2: it and just slaughtering people, slaughtering anybody that opposed you know,
Speaker 2: the official doctrine of the Church and the Netherlands. It's
Speaker 2: funny because when you think about Amsterdam, you think about like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: you can go there to get like mushrooms, go to
Speaker 2: the red light district and get weed, and it's like
Speaker 2: this very free yeah, but like it's so much deeper
Speaker 2: than that. It actually, for hundreds of years has been
Speaker 2: like the probably most like free thought centric capital of
Speaker 2: Europe in those daily so yeah, So like in the
Speaker 2: Medieval Ages and in the Renaissance era when all this
Speaker 2: stuff was happening, these philosophers would escape to the Netherlands
Speaker 2: and they would take their scrolls in their texts and
Speaker 2: they would go and they would seek refuge in the Netherlands.
Speaker 2: No way, yep. And I think it was the seventeenth century.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have to look it up because
Speaker 2: I wasn't prepared to talk about this, this Hermetic philosopher,
Speaker 2: but there was like a really famous Hermetic philosopher from
Speaker 2: Amsterdam name I think Barok de Spinoza's like a really
Speaker 2: famous Hermetic philosopher in history. And he started, like you know,
Speaker 2: accumulating all these texts and all this knowledge, and then
Speaker 2: over time there just became this large volume of texts
Speaker 2: building in the Netherlands.
Speaker 3: Y and.
Speaker 2: Next thing you know, they're just like getting it together.
Speaker 2: In the Embassy of the Free Mind was formed and
Speaker 2: there's like thirty thousand texts. There's thirty thousand books at
Speaker 2: this institute. It's the largest ramatic library in the world.
Speaker 3: That's so incredible. Have you gotten to the part in
Speaker 3: I'm certain you have in one piece where it talks
Speaker 3: about like where Robin came from it. Yeah, that sounds
Speaker 3: exactly like that, Like all of these mystics like sought
Speaker 3: refuge in this one place and they all had this
Speaker 3: like place where they gathered all their findings and their scrolls,
Speaker 3: and they're like and and kind of hid it there,
Speaker 3: like hid it from the world because they were being
Speaker 3: persecuted for that knowledge.
Speaker 2: Berokspinosa, not Deepinosa's Brook Spinosa. And then there was another
Speaker 2: alchemist that lived that that like hoarded a lot of
Speaker 2: these texts and started the embassy because it's only been
Speaker 2: a museum I think for like the last seven years
Speaker 2: or something, and before that it was it was just
Speaker 2: a private library that was being built over time. And
Speaker 2: they're like, well, hey, you know, you know, but in
Speaker 2: this to the public, and you know, like that's that reason. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure. I mean I've I did a quick
Speaker 2: little search on the history of the institute the other day,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's just crazy, Like I had no
Speaker 2: clue that this was the Hermitic capital of the world.
Speaker 2: And they have like thirty thousand books there, and they
Speaker 2: have like a whole museum exhibit where you can like
Speaker 2: go into different rooms and read like so many different
Speaker 2: pamphlets and and uh diagrams and and literal real like
Speaker 2: ancient artifacts that were magical relics and like books attributed
Speaker 2: to hermist Tree's majistus and like one thing that got
Speaker 2: my attention was there was this massive golden vase that
Speaker 2: had I can't remember if it was twelve plates, and
Speaker 2: there were two halves of this thing, and it was
Speaker 2: like the top half was depicting all around different images
Speaker 2: on each side of it wasn't like a pure circular base.
Speaker 2: It had like faces like a like a hexagon or something,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And like on the top
Speaker 2: half was the story of Jesus the Gospel, and then
Speaker 2: on the bottom half was mirroring the story, but it
Speaker 2: was showing like the esoteric version of the Gospel with
Speaker 2: the Holy Grail. Oh yeah, And there was like little
Speaker 2: monuments to the Grail myth and the legends of King
Speaker 2: Arthur and stuff. And I was like, dude, this is
Speaker 2: so deep. And we've got the Merlin episode come out
Speaker 2: right when I get back from Europe, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I already had mentioned on the episode we'll, you know,
Speaker 2: we'll do a King Arthur follow up, so it's like
Speaker 2: this is too timely. So yeah. So like it was
Speaker 2: just really mind blowing. Like I spent an hour there.
Speaker 2: I only had an hour and a half because by
Speaker 2: the time I got there, they closed it an hour
Speaker 2: and a half and I spent an hour there just
Speaker 2: reading all the pamphlets and some of their little booklets
Speaker 2: and stuff. And Jenny was like, dude, they closed in
Speaker 2: thirty minutes, like you need to get up and actually
Speaker 2: walk around, and I'm like, oh shit, So I get up.
Speaker 2: I start running around speed reading all the rest of
Speaker 2: the stuff and on. In In the back courtyard, they
Speaker 2: had like a massive wall with the emerald tablets of
Speaker 2: Doth inscribed on it, and they had this like staircase
Speaker 2: leading down to the courtyard with like the seven stages
Speaker 2: of the alchemical process, which is weird. There's like four
Speaker 2: steps of the alchemical process and then there's the seven
Speaker 2: stages and they're separate things, but they both have significance
Speaker 2: or whatever. I don't know, but in this episode we're
Speaker 2: going to focus on the four steps of the alchemical process.
Speaker 2: So long story short, I'm gonna move on from the
Speaker 2: Amsterdam thing.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to take pictures in there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, did you take pictures? Yeah? Yeah, I've got
Speaker 2: tons of them. That sounds awesome. And I took pictures
Speaker 2: of a lot of the artifacts in there. Some of
Speaker 2: these were like many many centuries old books, like written
Speaker 2: in like I don't know, like Greek, some of them
Speaker 2: maybe Latin. Just like they had a private room where
Speaker 2: you had to schedule like a private access tour in
Speaker 2: advance to go into a locked room with museum curators
Speaker 2: to see like really really rare artifacts. Obviously I didn't
Speaker 2: get to see them because I didn't know that was
Speaker 2: an option. Sure, you know, but they have some sweet stuff.
Speaker 2: So in addition to the thirty thousand books that they have,
Speaker 2: they have two thousand books that are sitting upstairs in
Speaker 2: a library for public access.
Speaker 3: Like you can just grab them and go and read
Speaker 3: them and yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you like them, you can buy them. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really cool, dude. It's like there can't be many
Speaker 2: places like that in the world, right, So when I
Speaker 2: was being there, I was like, this is so cool.
Speaker 2: And when you read their presentation of this information, it
Speaker 2: just like made me really you know, because first of all,
Speaker 2: I'm in Europe, right, I'm not in America, which is
Speaker 2: like completely different philosophically than the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: I mean, Europe is, I mean, it is very simple
Speaker 2: minded philosophically compared to you know, places in Asia or
Speaker 2: places in Europe where these alchemical movements actually happened. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, like the wealth of
Speaker 2: information you can find there is so much deeper than
Speaker 2: you know a lot of the stuff that you could
Speaker 2: find in museums in America. So yeah, well those places
Speaker 2: are also infinitely older, exactly.
Speaker 3: America is a few hundred years old. These places are
Speaker 3: thousands of years old exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the thing that was clicking in my brain
Speaker 2: was like, dude, I am in a place where this
Speaker 2: alchemical hermetic thought actually was historically happening, like it.
Speaker 3: Kind of low key originated, not literally, but like that's
Speaker 3: where people went when they knew about this stuff and
Speaker 3: they were seeking refuge and like like you know, conferring
Speaker 3: with one another like about this stuff.
Speaker 2: That's so sick. Yeah, it was just cool. It was
Speaker 2: kind of like mind altering being there and like reading
Speaker 2: about this stuff and yeah, and I was I was
Speaker 2: honestly really shocked at like the number of people that
Speaker 2: were coming into the institute and just like spending time
Speaker 2: there and just reading through stuff, and it was so
Speaker 2: like commonly accepted. Oh yeah, yeah, it's a hermetic place. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's you ask somebody in America. What do you know
Speaker 2: about hermeticism? They're like, what's that? Yeah, nobody you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's the vibe that the attitude about
Speaker 2: it was so common there that I was like, this
Speaker 2: is really cool. So anyway, so after leaving the Institute
Speaker 2: and going back to Germany for several days and then
Speaker 2: we flew home to America. In that phase where I
Speaker 2: like left the Netherlands and went back to Germany, there
Speaker 2: was quite a few periods of time where obviously, when
Speaker 2: I'm traveling in Europe, I'm on airplane mode. I can't
Speaker 2: use my signal, so I'm like, well, I mean, let
Speaker 2: me look at my candle and see if I have
Speaker 2: any books downloaded. Oh sweet, I have the Secret Teaching
Speaker 2: of All Ages downloaded. So I just started power reading it.
Speaker 2: I'm not even close to finishing it, but I started
Speaker 2: just having my mind blown constantly over and over and
Speaker 2: over by the Sea Teaching of All Ages. So I
Speaker 2: was just like, man, I really should like pull all
Speaker 2: of the Arthurian symbolism from the Secret Teaching of All
Speaker 2: Ages for the episode. So that's where we're going to
Speaker 2: go in phase one. So I'm gonna start We're going
Speaker 2: to talk about the Manly P. Hall interpretation of the
Speaker 2: Arthurian myth. So Manly P. Hall. I have a I'm
Speaker 2: not sure where that book is because all my books
Speaker 2: are still packed up for moving, but I have the book.
Speaker 2: It used to sit right beside me in our old studio. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's a really good book. It's it's way. I
Speaker 2: started reading it I don't know, like seven years ago,
Speaker 2: and I don't think I was mature enough to really
Speaker 2: like commit to it. When I say mature, I mean
Speaker 2: like mature enough in all of this stuff. I was
Speaker 2: still getting my feet wet in a lot of this
Speaker 2: esoteric conversation, and I don't think that I was really
Speaker 2: ready to like commit to reading the book. But now
Speaker 2: I'm reading it, and I'm like, holy shit, this is
Speaker 2: probably the deepest thing I've ever read. And it just,
Speaker 2: like Shotgun blasts pretty much every esoteric tradition and goes
Speaker 2: really deep into what they're about, what the symbols mean,
Speaker 2: and really demystifies them. And it makes this grand connection
Speaker 2: between like all of the ancient wisdom traditions. Oh cool,
Speaker 2: which is like what we've been trying to do on
Speaker 2: the show. So I'm like dude, this is the book
Speaker 2: for me, the Venn diagram. Yeah, and it's it's really deep, dude.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to get into that. I'm going to
Speaker 2: get into the secret teaching all the ages of interpretation.
Speaker 2: So we're going to start with the Roundtable of King
Speaker 2: Arthur from Manly p Hall and then this is in
Speaker 2: his what he does a lot is he references a
Speaker 2: lot of older texts. And by the way, this was
Speaker 2: written in the nineteen twenties, So if that wasn't mind
Speaker 2: blowing enough that this material has been around the whole time,
Speaker 2: even though a lot of us are just now hearing
Speaker 2: about it. Pretty crazy, Yeah. From Jennings the Rosicrucians, their
Speaker 2: rights and mysteries. According to tradition, Arthur, when a boy
Speaker 2: of fifteen, was crowned King of Britain in a d.
Speaker 2: Five hundred and sixteen. Soon after his ascension to the throne,
Speaker 2: he found it the order of the Knights of the
Speaker 2: Roundtable at Windsor. Thereafter, the knights met annually at Carleon
Speaker 2: or Carlin, I don't know how to say, at Winchester
Speaker 2: or at Camelot to celebrate Pentecost from all parts of
Speaker 2: Europe came the brave and the bold, seeking admission into
Speaker 2: his noble Order of British Knighthood. Nobility, virtue, and valor
Speaker 2: were its requirements. In those possessing these qualities to a
Speaker 2: marked degree were welcome to King Arthur's court. Having gathered
Speaker 2: the bravest and noblest knights of Europe about him, King
Speaker 2: Arthur chose twenty four, who excelled all the others in
Speaker 2: daring and integrity, informed of them his circle of the Roundtable.
Speaker 2: According to his legend, each of these knights were so
Speaker 2: great in dignity and power that none could occupy a
Speaker 2: more exalted seat than another. So when they gathered at
Speaker 2: the table to celebrate the anniversary of their foundation, it
Speaker 2: was necessary to use a round table that all might
Speaker 2: occupy chairs of equal importance. While it's probable that the
Speaker 2: Order of the Round Table had its distinctive rituals and symbols,
Speaker 2: the knowledge of them has not survived the ages. Elias
Speaker 2: Ashmole and his volume on the Order of the Garter
Speaker 2: inserted a double page plate showing the insignia of all
Speaker 2: the orders of knighthood, the block set aside for the
Speaker 2: symbol of the roundtable being left blank. The Chief reason
Speaker 2: for the loss of symbolism of the Roundtable was the
Speaker 2: untimely death of King Arthur upon the field of Camberlin
Speaker 2: in five hundred and forty two, a d in the
Speaker 2: forty first year of his life. While he destroyed his
Speaker 2: bitter enemy Mordred. In this famous battle, it cost him
Speaker 2: not only his own life, but the lives of nearly
Speaker 2: all the Knights of the Roundtable who died defending their commander.
Speaker 2: So dark, grizzly end, right, damn King Arthur, He's slaughtered
Speaker 2: in battle. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also imagine being like a fifteen sixteen year old
Speaker 3: kid and all of these like seasoned veteran knights, like
Speaker 3: noble knights are seeking you and seeking to be at
Speaker 3: your table, and like that's that's wild and forty one
Speaker 3: forty one right, which, honestly for the time is like
Speaker 3: that's pretty old.
Speaker 2: Pretty much a full life. Yeah, that's pretty much like
Speaker 2: a full life. I mean, you've survived the plague man, Yeah, yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: might have about half teeth left.
Speaker 3: But you know, I was talking to my coworker the
Speaker 3: other day and I was like, dude, why do I
Speaker 3: hurt so much all of a sudden, And he was like,
Speaker 3: you just turned thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're thirty. He was like, you just turned thirty and.
Speaker 3: I was like so and he was like, honestly, I
Speaker 3: don't think humans were meant to live past thirty. And
Speaker 3: I was like, what, that's so grim, dude.
Speaker 2: The change is real, bro. Yeah, for me, it was psychological.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably partially psychosomatic. But I do feel like, like, uh,
Speaker 3: it's it's very likely that I will most likely have
Speaker 3: or already do have rheumatoid arthritis. But like when I
Speaker 3: turned thirty, I started like feeling like I have the
Speaker 3: same feelings of it.
Speaker 2: I feel like the way that works is like, dude,
Speaker 2: you've already been feeling that since your late twenties. Probably
Speaker 2: it's true, but now that you're thirty, you're like, oh crap,
Speaker 2: you see it through that length. Yeah, it's psychological for sure.
Speaker 3: I definitely have felt the symptoms for years, But now
Speaker 3: that I'm thirty, I'm like, oh, oh my god, I'm older,
Speaker 3: falling apart?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I feel that.
Speaker 4: Man, that's tough.
Speaker 2: Shut up. What are you like? Twenty two?
Speaker 3: Don't gas like him?
Speaker 2: What do you?
Speaker 4: You're twenty six in twenty seven days, Yeah, you'll.
Speaker 2: Be twenty six this month. Well, I actually thought I
Speaker 2: was twenty five and I'm not guestling. Did I lose track?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Man, I should know that we're five years apart in age, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I should know that.
Speaker 3: We should also know it because we're his friend.
Speaker 4: But wait, we are his friend?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're your friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we are.
Speaker 3: We together share the burden of being your friend because
Speaker 3: the bond. Yeah, but I mean more so the burden.
Speaker 3: It's a lot to carry for one person.
Speaker 2: It's a stressful bond.
Speaker 4: So we're stressed bonded but I'm distressed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, exactly. We're the age and we're the two.
Speaker 3: Oh you're the age and where the two I've not
Speaker 3: even got asked.
Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, I get that part because we
Speaker 2: are bonded with.
Speaker 3: We are bonded with you.
Speaker 2: I don't know what your relationship is like on the
Speaker 2: other side of it, but it's nothing but gas bro. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we left with a with a dark ending of
Speaker 2: King Arthur. But we're gonna come to a happy ending
Speaker 2: with that, you know, because and and that's the thing
Speaker 2: I know, I just like rapidly ships. I started back
Speaker 2: into the Arthur's story. But we've got some more to
Speaker 2: cover here. So virtually every version of King Arthur does
Speaker 2: end with him pretty much dying, some some dark ending.
Speaker 2: Many of them end with his wife Guinevere being in
Speaker 2: like a love triangle with Lancelot and they betray him.
Speaker 2: And Mordred by the way, and every version of King
Speaker 2: Arthur is either his son or his nephew, so he
Speaker 2: has this like blood feud with his rival Mordred, who
Speaker 2: he kills in battle but then receives a mortal wounded
Speaker 2: dies Mordruid. So it is always like this grim end
Speaker 2: of King Arthur. But you know, maybe it's not as
Speaker 2: bad as we thought. So now we're going to get
Speaker 2: into the Arthurian cycle and the legend of the Holy Grail.
Speaker 2: We're going to spend a little bit more time on
Speaker 2: the Grail, which pretty deep. The origin of the Grail myth,
Speaker 2: as of nearly every other element in the Great Drama,
Speaker 2: is curiously elusive. Sufficient foundation for it may be found
Speaker 2: in the folk lore of the British Isles, which contains
Speaker 2: many accounts of magic cauldrons, kettles, cups, and drinking horns.
Speaker 2: The earliest Grail legends described the cup as a veritable
Speaker 2: horn of plenty its contents were inexhaustible, and those who
Speaker 2: served it never hungered or thirsted. One account states that
Speaker 2: no matter how desperately ill a person might be, he
Speaker 2: could not die within the eight days of beholding the cup.
Speaker 2: Some authorities believe the Holy Grail to be the perpetuation
Speaker 2: of the Holy cup used in the rights of Adonis
Speaker 2: and Attis. A communion cupp or chalice was used in
Speaker 2: several of the ancient mysteries, and the god Bacchus is
Speaker 2: frequently symbolized in the form of a vase, cup or
Speaker 2: earned and nature worship, the ever flowing grail signifies the
Speaker 2: bounty of the harvest by which the life of manas sustained.
Speaker 2: Like Mercury's bottomless picture, it is the inexhaustible fountain of
Speaker 2: a natural resource. From the evidence at hand, it would
Speaker 2: indeed be erroneous to ascribe a purely Christian Oregon origin
Speaker 2: or an Oregon to the grail symbolism, and the Arthurian
Speaker 2: cycle appears a strange and mysterious figure, Merlin the Magician,
Speaker 2: and one of the legends concerning him. It is declared
Speaker 2: that when Jesus was sent to liberate the world from
Speaker 2: the bondage of evil, the adversary determined to send an
Speaker 2: antichrist to undo his labors. The devil, therefore, in the
Speaker 2: form of a horrible dragon, overshadowed a young woman who
Speaker 2: had taken refuge in sanctuary to escape the evil which
Speaker 2: had destroyed her family. When Merlin, her child, was born,
Speaker 2: he partook of the characteristics of his human mother and
Speaker 2: demon father. Merlin, however, did not serve the powers of darkness, but,
Speaker 2: being converted to the true light, retained only two of
Speaker 2: the supernatural powers inherited from his father, prophecy and miracle working.
Speaker 2: The story of Merlin's infernal Father must really be considered. Now.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to take quick pause and say, this
Speaker 2: is where Manley P. Hall is genius, because for every
Speaker 2: one of these mystery traditions, he tells you, like, here's
Speaker 2: the legend, Here's what it really means.
Speaker 3: You know, like the interpretation, the symbolism. Yeah, the esoteric
Speaker 3: truth was significant.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The story of Merlin's infernal father must really
Speaker 2: be considered as an allegorical allusion to the fact that
Speaker 2: he was a philosophical son of the serpent or dragon,
Speaker 2: a title applied to all initiates of the mysteries, who
Speaker 2: thus acknowledged Nature as their mortal mother and Wisdom in
Speaker 2: the form of the serpent or dragon as their immortal father.
Speaker 2: Confusion of the dragon and spent Remember you said it
Speaker 2: in the other episode that Merlin was a title given
Speaker 2: to initiates will mainly be all agrees. Oh wow, let
Speaker 2: me pick back up where I was. Confusion of the
Speaker 2: dragon and serpent with the powers of evil has resulted
Speaker 2: as an inevitable consequence for misinterpretation of the early chapters
Speaker 2: of Genesis. Arthur, while an infant, was given into the
Speaker 2: keeping of Merlin the Mage, and in his youth instructed
Speaker 2: by him in the Secret Doctrine, and probably initiated into
Speaker 2: the deep his secrets of natural magic. With Merlin's assistance,
Speaker 2: Arthur became the leading general of Britain, a degree of
Speaker 2: dignity which has been confused with king shit, which that's true.
Speaker 2: The historicity of Arthur. They believe that if the if
Speaker 2: he existed, he was probably actually a general like a warrigoin,
Speaker 2: not like a king. King. Yes, and I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: into this later, but Arthur may have also been a
Speaker 2: title and not like an actual birth name. No way, yep.
Speaker 3: So these theosophists are they're they're onto something.
Speaker 2: After Arthur had drawn the sort of brand stock from
Speaker 2: the anvil and thus established his divine right to leadership,
Speaker 2: Merlin further assisted him to secure from the Lady of
Speaker 2: the Lake the sacred sword Excalibur. And that's true of
Speaker 2: the myth too. It's as he actually doesn't. In some versions,
Speaker 2: he doesn't pull EXCaliber. He just pulls the s brand
Speaker 2: stock and then Merlin's like, all right, let's go, let's
Speaker 2: go get this caliber. Yeah, you know. But in some
Speaker 2: versions he just pulls EXCaliber. After the establishment of the Roundtable,
Speaker 2: having fulfilled his duty, Maryland disappears, according to one account,
Speaker 2: banishing in the thin air, where he still exists as
Speaker 2: a shadow, communicating at will with mortals. That's just like
Speaker 2: the Merlin shope, I know, dude, According to another, retiring
Speaker 2: of his own accord into a great stone vault, from
Speaker 2: which he sealed within which we also talked about that too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It is reasonably certain that many legends regarding Charlemagne were
Speaker 2: later associated with Arthur, who was most famous for establishing
Speaker 2: the Order of the Roundtable at Winchester. Reliable information is
Speaker 2: not to be had concerning the ceremonies and initiatory rituals
Speaker 2: of the round table, and one story of the table
Speaker 2: was endowed with the powers of expansion and contracted to contraction,
Speaker 2: so that fifteen or fifteen hundred could be seated around
Speaker 2: it according to whatever need might arise. The most common
Speaker 2: accounts fixed the number of knights who could be seated
Speaker 2: at one time at the roundtable at either twelve or
Speaker 2: twenty four. Here we go the twelve apostles or excuse me,
Speaker 2: the twelve signified the zodiac and also the apostles of Jesus.
Speaker 2: The knight's names and also their heraldic arms were emblazoned
Speaker 2: upon their chairs. When twenty four are shown seated at
Speaker 2: the table, each of the twelve signs of the zodiac
Speaker 2: is divided into two parts, a light in a dark
Speaker 2: half to signify the nocturnal and diurnal phases of each
Speaker 2: sign Yang exactly, and the sun and the moon the
Speaker 2: light in the dark. As each sign of the zodiac
Speaker 2: is ascending for two hours of every day, so the
Speaker 2: twenty four nights represent the hours the twenty four elders
Speaker 2: before the throne in revelation, and the twenty four Persian
Speaker 2: deities who represent the spirits of the divisions of the day.
Speaker 2: In the center of the table was the symbolic rose
Speaker 2: of the passion of our Lord Jesus Christ, the symbol
Speaker 2: of resurrection, and that he rose from the dead. Oh damn,
Speaker 2: they're doing wordplay. There was also a mysterious empty seat
Speaker 2: called the siege Perilous, in which none might sit except
Speaker 2: he was, except he who was successful in his quest
Speaker 2: for the Holy Grail. And the personality of Arthur is
Speaker 2: to be found. Now, this is where I really want
Speaker 2: people to pay attention. I love looking up and seeing
Speaker 2: us in thirty three minutes too. You know, it might
Speaker 2: not be to them, but it is to y because
Speaker 2: we cut a little bit before we actually start recording.
Speaker 2: I love that, Okay. In the personality of Arthur, this
Speaker 2: is the most important part of all of it. And
Speaker 2: the rest of the conversation is gonna kind of piggyback
Speaker 2: on this, okay. So in the personality of Arthur is
Speaker 2: to be found a new form of the ever recurrent
Speaker 2: cosmic myth. The Prince of Britain is the Sun, his
Speaker 2: knights are the Zodiac, and his flashing sword may be
Speaker 2: the Sun's ray. With which he fights and vanquishes the
Speaker 2: dragons of darkness, or it may represent the Earth's axis.
Speaker 2: Arthur's roundtable is the universe, the siege, perilous, the throne
Speaker 2: of the perfect man. In its terrestrial sense, Arthur was
Speaker 2: the grand master of a secret Christian masonic brotherhood of
Speaker 2: philosophic mystics who turned themselves knights. Arthur received the exalted
Speaker 2: position of Grand Master of these knights because he had
Speaker 2: faithfully accomplished the withdrawal of the sword or the spirit
Speaker 2: from the anvil of the base metals his lower nature.
Speaker 2: As invariably happens, the historical Arthur soon was confused with
Speaker 2: the allegories and myths of his order. Until now the
Speaker 2: tour inseparable. So he dies in the field of Camberlin,
Speaker 2: the mystery cease, and esoterically he's taken away on a
Speaker 2: black barge, as is so beautifully described by Tennyson in
Speaker 2: his mort d Arthur. The great sword Excalibur was also
Speaker 2: cast back into the waters of eternity, all of which
Speaker 2: is a vivid portrayal of the descent of cosmic night
Speaker 2: at the end of the day of universal manifestation. The
Speaker 2: body of the historical Arthur probably interred at Glastonbury Abbey,
Speaker 2: a building closely identified with the mystic rights of both
Speaker 2: the Grail and the Arthurian Cycle. The medieval Rosicrucians were
Speaker 2: undoubtedly in possession of the true secret of the Arthurian
Speaker 2: Cycle and the Grail legend, much of their symbolism having
Speaker 2: been incorporated into that order which is true, is true.
Speaker 2: When I studied briefly with Robert Gilbert, doctor Robert Gilbert
Speaker 2: and amazing, and people should look him up. He's like
Speaker 2: lowing up on the internet now he's really Oh yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: he's he's making the rounds.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: He's getting the recognition that he deserves. And when I
Speaker 2: when I first was introduced to doctor Robert Gilbert, and
Speaker 2: he like gave me some of his courses and and
Speaker 2: let me go through his material. He he has entire
Speaker 2: courses on like uh Rosicrucian Rosicrucianism and UH Grail traditions.
Speaker 2: There's a connection between the Grail myth.
Speaker 3: And oh dude, yeah, they had a rose in the
Speaker 3: middle of the table right like yeah, wow, dude, that's
Speaker 3: so incredible. That's like very archetypal, like like an alchemical
Speaker 3: like the symbolism of the round table and the knights
Speaker 3: and Arthur.
Speaker 2: The next section we're going to talk about the rose
Speaker 2: a little bit too. But yeah, so the medieval Rosicrucians
Speaker 2: were undoubtedly in possession of the true secret of the
Speaker 2: Arthurian cycle and the Grail legend, much of their symbolism
Speaker 2: having been incorporated into that order. Though the most obvious
Speaker 2: of all keys to the Christos mystery, the Grail legend
Speaker 2: has received the least consideration. So we're, yeah, we're getting
Speaker 2: to the end of phase one here and then we
Speaker 2: we'll like, uh, we'll kind of process some of this stuff,
Speaker 2: but I'm just going to blow through and finish this part.
Speaker 2: So the crucified rose the original, and again this is
Speaker 2: still all from secret teaching, these different segments of the
Speaker 2: secret Teaching of all ages. The original symbol of the
Speaker 2: Rosicrucian fraternity was a hieroglyphic rose crucified upon a cross.
Speaker 2: The cross was often raised upon a three step cavalry. Occasionally,
Speaker 2: the symbol of a cross rising from a rose was
Speaker 2: used in connection with their activities. The Rosicrucian raw rose
Speaker 2: was drawn upon the roundtable of King Arthur and is
Speaker 2: the central motif for the links forming the chain from
Speaker 2: which the Great George is suspended among the jewels of
Speaker 2: the Order of the Garter. Hargrave Jennings suspects this order
Speaker 2: of having some connection with the Rosicrucians. The Holy Grail.
Speaker 2: This is the last part of this phase of the episode.
Speaker 2: This part's pretty deep. The Holy Grail, like the sapphire,
Speaker 2: This is a Greek word, I believe. I don't know
Speaker 2: how to pronounce it, but shathilla, I think it's a
Speaker 2: Greek word. The Lapis Exalis, crown jewel of the archangel Lucifer,
Speaker 2: fell from heaven. Michael, the Archangel of the Sun and
Speaker 2: the hidden God of Israel, at the head of the
Speaker 2: angelic host, swooped down upon Lucifer and his legions of
Speaker 2: rebellious spirits. During the conflict. Michael, with his flaming sword,
Speaker 2: struck the flashing Lapiece Exalis from the coronet of his adversary,
Speaker 2: and the green stone fell through all the celestial rings
Speaker 2: into the dark immeasurable abyss. I want to pause there,
Speaker 2: Centomani Stone, the wishing stone, remember that, Yeah, the green
Speaker 2: stone that falls and you know it's the wishing stone.
Speaker 2: Eastern philosophy. Oh my god, how about this moldivite, the
Speaker 2: crystal that's a multi billion year old meteorite that's found
Speaker 2: in places and I believe Asia and Europe that people
Speaker 2: think might be this stone. It's green. That's so wild too,
Speaker 2: because Lapis is usually blue. This is this is not
Speaker 2: Lapis lazuli. This is a different stone, the Lapis excellis.
Speaker 2: Many people in modern times believe that this actual stone
Speaker 2: may have been the moldivite meteorite.
Speaker 4: Oh no way.
Speaker 2: And if you look in the moltivite folks at home. Uh,
Speaker 2: it is one of the most powerful crystals. Is regarded
Speaker 2: as like a very very powerful Christal.
Speaker 3: See everybody like I see it everywhere. I've seen it
Speaker 3: on some huge they talked about it. They talked about
Speaker 3: it on Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: And it's super expensive. Yeah, and a lot of crystal
Speaker 2: shops won't even let you bring it inside. Why because
Speaker 2: they're like, I don't want to fuck them with our energy.
Speaker 2: I've had that happen. I bought it. I'm serious. Somebody
Speaker 2: told you that. Somebody told me that. I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: I bought a piece of moltifie at a different store
Speaker 2: and This was a gym shop downtown that does like wrappings,
Speaker 2: and I was like, if I brought it in, would
Speaker 2: you guys like wire wrap it for me so I
Speaker 2: could make a necklace. And they're like, sorry, you can't
Speaker 2: bring that in here. We don't want it messing with
Speaker 2: our I'm serious, dude, what. Yeah, there was like a
Speaker 2: serious belief around mouldabite. Yeah, so I just thought that
Speaker 2: was interesting. You know, I have actually read before. I
Speaker 2: might have talked about it on the episode one time
Speaker 2: a long time ago, but there is a belief that
Speaker 2: moldivite may have been the crystal that was on the
Speaker 2: Holy Grill. And then in the Saintient myth, you see
Speaker 2: this stone that was on the Archangelucifer, and you know
Speaker 2: he's cast out and the stone falls to the earth
Speaker 2: and then it's put in the grail. I just I
Speaker 2: love the connection there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would explain some of the suspicion and the
Speaker 3: significance why this stone is like supposedly so powerful.
Speaker 2: And then I think it's In Tibetan Buddhism they have
Speaker 2: the Gentamani Stone, which is a similar myth, and it's
Speaker 2: like this green gem that is like the wishing stone
Speaker 2: like it's it's like the Philosopher's stone, you know. Yeah, So,
Speaker 2: picking up where I left off, out of Lucifer's radiant
Speaker 2: gym was fashioned the Sangreal or the Holy Grail, from
Speaker 2: which Christ is said to have drunk at the Last Supper.
Speaker 2: Though some controversy exists as to whether the grail was
Speaker 2: a cup or a platter, it is generally depicted in
Speaker 2: art as a chalice of considerable size and unusual beauty.
Speaker 2: According to the legend, Joseph of Arimathea brought the Grail
Speaker 2: or Arimathea whatever brought the grail cup to the place
Speaker 2: of the crucifixion, and in it caught the blood pouring
Speaker 2: from the wounds of the dying Nazarene. Later, Joseph, who
Speaker 2: had become custodian of the sacred relics, the Sangreal and
Speaker 2: the Spirit of Loungeness, which I guess is the spirit
Speaker 2: of destinated stabbed Jesus, carried them into a distant country.
Speaker 2: According to one version, his descendants finally placed these relics
Speaker 2: in Glastonbury Abbey in England. According to another, in a
Speaker 2: wonderful castle a Mount Salvet Spain built by angels in
Speaker 2: a single night under the name of Preston John Parsifald,
Speaker 2: the last of the Grail Kings, carried the Holy Cup
Speaker 2: with him into India, and it disappeared forever from the
Speaker 2: Western world. Subsequent search for the Sangreal was the motif
Speaker 2: for much of the knight errantry of the Arthurian legends
Speaker 2: and the ceremonials of the Round Table see the Morte
Speaker 2: de artur. No adequate interpretation that has ever been given
Speaker 2: to the Grail mysteries, or has ever been given to
Speaker 2: the Grail mysteries. Some believe the Knights of the Holy Grail,
Speaker 2: who have been a powerful organization of Christian mystics perpetuating
Speaker 2: the ancient wisdom under the rituals and sacraments of the
Speaker 2: Oracular Cup. The quest for the Holy Grail is the
Speaker 2: eternal search for truth, and Albert G. Mackie sees it
Speaker 2: in a variation of the Masonic legend of the Lost Word,
Speaker 2: so long sought by the brethren of the Craft. There's
Speaker 2: also evidence to support the claim that the story of
Speaker 2: the Grail is an elaboration of an early pagan nature
Speaker 2: myth which has been preserved by reason of the subtle
Speaker 2: manner in which was engrafted upon the cult of Christianity,
Speaker 2: which for anybody who was offended by that, and in
Speaker 2: ancient times Christianity was literally the cult it was, yeah,
Speaker 2: because they practiced in underground sepolchers and temples and they
Speaker 2: had to like hide from you know, the Romans at
Speaker 2: the time. So like it, it actually was a cult.
Speaker 2: This is not this is not trying to like smear,
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 3: Saying modern Christianity as a cult.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's saying that. Literally, at one point it was
Speaker 2: a cult, right. I just wanted to clarify that for
Speaker 2: people who might not like out of necessity, right, so
Speaker 2: that they wouldn't survive killed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: From this particular viewpoint, the Holy Grail is undoubtedly a
Speaker 2: type of the arc or vest in which the life
Speaker 2: of the world and is preserved and therefore is significant
Speaker 2: of the body of the great Mother Nature. It's green
Speaker 2: color relates it to Venus and to the mystery of generation,
Speaker 2: also to the Islamic faith, whose sacred color is green
Speaker 2: and whose sabbath is Friday, the day of Venus and
Speaker 2: witchcraft they call it the witch's Sabbath or the day
Speaker 2: of Friga.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Uh. The Holy Grail is a symbol of both. I
Speaker 2: was I was thinking should I make I was thinking,
Speaker 2: should I make a joke about like I better not?
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I looked at Alex and he was lean back. You
Speaker 3: should show yourself right now, it'd be really funny. He
Speaker 3: was lean back like that, and he just just nodding
Speaker 3: at me and smiling. When you said, he don't.
Speaker 2: He don't even want to be here. He don't give
Speaker 2: a frigga. I was debating it.
Speaker 3: You don't give not one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, bro. The Holy Grail is a symbol both
Speaker 2: of the lower or irrational world and of the bodily
Speaker 2: nature of man, because both are receptacles for the living
Speaker 2: essences of the superior worlds. Such is the mystery of
Speaker 2: the redeeming Blood, which, descending into the condition of death,
Speaker 2: overcomes the last enemy by insoling all substance with its
Speaker 2: own immortality. To the Christian, whose mystic faith especially emphasizes
Speaker 2: the love element, the Holy Grail typifies the heart in
Speaker 2: which continually swirls the living water of eternal life. Moreover,
Speaker 2: to the Christian, the search for the Holy Grail is
Speaker 2: the search for the real self. When found is the
Speaker 2: consummation of the magnum opus, or in alchemy, this is
Speaker 2: known as the great work, that the turning of the
Speaker 2: lead into gold, which we're going to go way more
Speaker 2: into that later. The Holy Cup can.
Speaker 4: Beis you get to sit at that chair where that
Speaker 4: nobody gets to sit in right?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Yes. In his mystic poem oh Oh I skipped One,
Speaker 2: the Holy Cup can be discovered only by those who
Speaker 2: have raised themselves above the limitations of sensuous existence, ascending
Speaker 2: from our our animalistic nature, conquering our our material self,
Speaker 2: and rising into spiritual self. Remember, just like you just said,
Speaker 2: the ones who sit at this chair are the ones
Speaker 2: who found the Holy Grail. Well, it's a metaphor. Finding
Speaker 2: the Holy Grail is about performing the alchemical great work.
Speaker 2: In his mystic poem The Vision of Sir Lonfall, James
Speaker 2: Russell Lowell disclosed discloses the true nature of the Holy
Speaker 2: Grail by showing that it is visible only to a
Speaker 2: certain state of spiritual consciousness. Only upon returning from the
Speaker 2: vain pursuit of haughty ambition did the aged and broken
Speaker 2: Night see in the transformed Leper's cup, the glowing chalice
Speaker 2: of his lifelong dream Some writers trace a similarity between
Speaker 2: the grail legend and the stories of the martyred sun gods,
Speaker 2: whose blood, descending from heaven into the earth, was caught
Speaker 2: in the cup of matter and liberated therefrom by the
Speaker 2: initiatory rites. It's called the cup of Matter. M. A. T. T. E.
Speaker 2: Er Well, the point here is that he's making a
Speaker 2: connection that between in all and there's way more context
Speaker 2: of this book, and this is one little segment, and
Speaker 2: the point that he's making in this entire book that
Speaker 2: there is one secret primordial tradition between all of these
Speaker 2: ancient wisdom traditions, and it's that we have descended here
Speaker 2: into matter as parts of the you know, the the
Speaker 2: true spiritual reality, and that our whole game here is
Speaker 2: to go through the initiations which served to wake us
Speaker 2: up to our true nature. So he's saying that that's
Speaker 2: what he's saying, the cup of the worldly, cup of matter.
Speaker 2: You know that the grail is symbolic of us being
Speaker 2: in matter, and that we are liberated from matter by
Speaker 2: the initiatory rights going through the awakening process. The Holy
Speaker 2: Grail may also be the seed pods so frequently employed
Speaker 2: in the ancient mysteries as an emblem of German nation
Speaker 2: and resurrection. And if the cup like shape of the
Speaker 2: grail be derived from the flower, it signifies the regeneration
Speaker 2: and spiritualization of the generative forces of men. So that's
Speaker 2: that's all the Manley P. Hall stuff. But would you
Speaker 2: guys think about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't expect anything less from Manley P.
Speaker 2: Hall.
Speaker 3: I mean that, like it's always about the pursuit of
Speaker 3: finding the overlap and the truth in the overlap, and
Speaker 3: like it's yet another allegory of ascension of enlightenment, the
Speaker 3: path of enlightenment. Like whoever sits at that chair is
Speaker 3: someone who reached enlightenment through the alchemical process of like
Speaker 3: transfiguring the matter into spirit, the lead into gold. It's beautiful,
Speaker 3: It's deep, dude, absolutely.
Speaker 2: I didn't, like I knew that. Here's the thing, for
Speaker 2: many years, I've known that the Arthurian legend was like
Speaker 2: esoteric or whatever, but I never really figured that I
Speaker 2: would like get to decipher that, Yeah, like dissect it.
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing, dude, Like when you're dabbling into
Speaker 2: this world of like esochit traditions and you know, alchemy
Speaker 2: and all this stuff, it's it's really hard at first
Speaker 2: when you're new to be like, is this an accurate source? Sure?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Yeah, it's what I'm reading.
Speaker 2: Even true is as accurate, And you know, it's really
Speaker 2: cool to read this stuff from the lens of somebody who,
Speaker 2: by the way, I mean, Manly P. Hall was brilliant, dude.
Speaker 2: We've talked about him before. He's he like was so
Speaker 2: spot on with his knowledge that the Freemasons in America.
Speaker 2: I don't know what loge it was. Maybe it was
Speaker 2: Blue logic. If I'm not mistaken, I really don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not a Mason. I don't intimately know what chapters
Speaker 2: are here and there, but they they initiated him as
Speaker 2: an honorary thirty third degree if you remember, because he
Speaker 2: was so spot on with his material.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was obviously very well researched and cross referenced
Speaker 3: all of his sources, and like, like you cross reference
Speaker 3: his sources, they're all legitimate. That's really like the first
Speaker 3: step of figuring out the sources that you can trust
Speaker 3: is you look into they are cited sources, and you know,
Speaker 3: double check the stuff that they're claiming and if it's
Speaker 3: legit then you know you can trust this person.
Speaker 2: And Manly p. Hall is very much somebody who.
Speaker 3: Cites the sources, only references legitimate sources, like it's it's
Speaker 3: real stuff. It's still mind blowing that someone could even
Speaker 3: like conceive of these archetypal energies and like the poetry
Speaker 3: of it all, like the symbolism of it all, because
Speaker 3: it is like poetry, absolutely, yeah. I mean, look at
Speaker 3: what's his name, the Geoffrey of Monmouth. He's literally writing poetry,
Speaker 3: like actual poetry, but telling a myth, and in reality,
Speaker 3: the myth that he's telling is an allegory. It's like,
Speaker 3: it's hard for me to even conceive of doing something
Speaker 3: like that. Now, this is Star Wars.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's why we talk about movies all the time, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because people still are doing it now, there are
Speaker 3: this is something that's always been around. We're talking about
Speaker 3: the four fifth century, like, yeah, what to even conceive
Speaker 3: of this stuff? And you know, they didn't have the
Speaker 3: same resources that we have so readily available today. Right,
Speaker 3: they're figuring this stuff out the old fashioned way for
Speaker 3: themselves and decoding the poetry and symbolism of it all.
Speaker 3: It's mind blowing.
Speaker 2: I can't stop thinking about how many thousands of hours
Speaker 2: these people back then in these time spent in libraries.
Speaker 2: That's what humulated, you know, it's crazy, dude. Manley P.
Speaker 2: Hall published this book in the nineteen twenties. He was
Speaker 2: like twenty one. No way, yeah, way, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: on god, I'm gonna look it up right now. I
Speaker 2: had fully assumed like this this man, like an old man.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, like at very least in his sixties, devoted
Speaker 3: his life to learning all of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But this is obviously somebody who like got.
Speaker 3: The bug for it really early and just devoted all
Speaker 3: of their time.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, dude, I just googled the book. It's on
Speaker 2: CIA GOV. It's so good. No way, yeah he was
Speaker 2: a Oh he was Canadian. I didn't know that, Alex.
Speaker 2: Can you look up what age was when he I
Speaker 2: don't want to spend too much time on it, but
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he was like twenty one, and I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure it came out in nineteen twenty two. That's
Speaker 2: just based on.
Speaker 3: When he wrote The Secret Right Secret Teaching of All Ages.
Speaker 3: Yea with secret.
Speaker 2: Teachings anyway, So yeah, it's just mind blowing man and
Speaker 2: I'm really like, especially after going to the Institute, because
Speaker 2: the Embassy of the FreeMind, I mean, yeah, and again
Speaker 2: this is not like you know my experience at the
Speaker 2: been Row Institute. This is not like that at all.
Speaker 2: The Embassy of the Free Mind is a public library
Speaker 2: with with like museum elements. I'm not like in touch
Speaker 2: with these people.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just went there and I nerd it out and
Speaker 2: read all the connections, and it really inspired me. I
Speaker 2: don't want people to think that you know something that
Speaker 2: it's not. But they had so much material available and
Speaker 2: the connections that had between like Hermetic philosophy and Hermeistru's
Speaker 2: Majistice and Rosicrucianism and like giving like very detailed historical
Speaker 2: descriptions of these orders, and like I don't remember seeing
Speaker 2: much on Freemasonry, but I I don't remember coming across
Speaker 2: that much. They talked a little bit about like the
Speaker 2: Illuminati and the historical version of that, and it was
Speaker 2: really cool reading this stuff and then reading The Secret
Speaker 2: Teaching of All Ages. There's such an overlap between the
Speaker 2: material and his book and the material I was reading there.
Speaker 2: So he was born in nineteen oh one and my god.
Speaker 2: He's twenty one.
Speaker 4: The book came out in nineteen twenty eight, so he
Speaker 4: was twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, it's still crazy. That's younger than us.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I couldn't imagine doing something like that right now, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd basically have to start writing that book now
Speaker 4: to get it out.
Speaker 2: Let alone have all of the cross referenced knowledge.
Speaker 4: That is, well, if I combine you two, I have
Speaker 4: one friend and I think.
Speaker 2: That might help me, which is true, And don't you
Speaker 2: ever forget it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2: It is a big boo book. Man. The addition I
Speaker 2: have is like seven hundred plus pages and it just
Speaker 2: keeps hitting. The introduction of the book before chapter one
Speaker 2: is like thousand year history of every philosopher system. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: It takes mewenty The initiates of the Flame, I want
Speaker 4: to read that one that was published in nineteen twenty two,
Speaker 4: so he was twenty one for that, but he published
Speaker 4: two books that year in nineteen twenty two, and then
Speaker 4: he's writing them both at the same time. Then nineteen
Speaker 4: twenty eight, nineteen thirty one, nineteen forty four, nineteen forty two,
Speaker 4: and that's it.
Speaker 2: He had a very mysterious death. If you guys recall,
Speaker 2: I know, I wasn't there and several of his Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, but.
Speaker 3: I googled it, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: I wasn't there either, but apparently, like several he was
Speaker 2: murdered and dude, it was the day after my birthday.
Speaker 2: Well when he was murdered August twenty ninth, Yeah, nineteen ninety,
Speaker 2: so like a day and eight years before I was born.
Speaker 2: Whoa dude, the way he died in nineteen ninety Yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: He's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: He's like intense looking, dude, let me see, he's got
Speaker 4: like bro he's like the hpeople of the occult.
Speaker 2: When your name is Manly, I would assume you have
Speaker 2: beautiful eyes. Yeah wow, I mean this is like a drawing.
Speaker 2: They just put emphasis on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so yeah, I just I thought all that
Speaker 2: stuff at Manly p Hall was super cool about King Arthur.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna move to the movie. This won't take
Speaker 2: nearly as long, and then we're gonna wrap it up
Speaker 2: with the like actual kind of like detailed alchemical process
Speaker 2: of the Arthur myth, which is really cool. So I
Speaker 2: saw the movie. I started it last night or like
Speaker 2: sometime yesterday, and then I had a bunch of other
Speaker 2: stuff I had to get around to and I couldn't
Speaker 2: finish it till today. It was really cool. It's the
Speaker 2: movie is I think it's called King Arthur The Legend
Speaker 2: of the Sword. It's the one that came out in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. And I remember when that movie came out.
Speaker 2: I was really interested watching it, but for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: I just I didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess I moved to Wilmington at the time with
Speaker 2: Jenny and it was just like me and her, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't feel like spending the money
Speaker 2: to go to the theater and watch it. And the
Speaker 2: critics said it was terrible. It got like super bomb reviews,
Speaker 2: which I could see why because it does have like
Speaker 2: some somewhat cheesy parts. But I just tend to look
Speaker 2: past that, like if the if the like the heroic
Speaker 2: journey of a movie is cool and the action is
Speaker 2: cool and it's got some heart to it, I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's okay to be cheesy a little bit. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: And it was honestly very occult. Really, yes, it was
Speaker 2: very very occult, and right from the jump it was
Speaker 2: just you know, showing the symbolism. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm in for it, and I started taking notes. So
Speaker 2: the basic premise of the movie was obviously just like
Speaker 2: in pretty much every single King Arthur myth, pretty much
Speaker 2: like all of them agree that he had a secret birth.
Speaker 2: Just like remember in the Merlin story when he goes
Speaker 2: in he appears as I can't remember her name, Bridget
Speaker 2: of Cornwall or something like that. It's it's different in
Speaker 2: every myth. Who he's like, born to Yea or Uther
Speaker 2: Pendragon is the dad, right, but the mother is like,
Speaker 2: who it's this guy's wife. It's this guy. I can't
Speaker 2: remember the name. I think it's Bridget of Cornwall. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so they all agree that he had this secret birth
Speaker 2: and then he's like tucked away, you know, while he's uh,
Speaker 2: until he grows up to be about like fifteen or whatever.
Speaker 2: What what'd you find?
Speaker 4: I'm on manly p hall dot info reading about the
Speaker 4: death his death by written by his wife who believes
Speaker 4: he actually died on August twenty eighth.
Speaker 2: Your birthday? Are you the reincarnation? Dude?
Speaker 4: I'm going to keep reading.
Speaker 2: Oh, that that was the keep reporting man. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Sorry for the premature pop off.
Speaker 2: No, it's good. That's that's really it's a very strange synchronicity.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So the movie starts, it's like Uther Pendragon
Speaker 2: he already has Excalibur and that's his father, right, and
Speaker 2: he goes to fight war with I think in the
Speaker 2: movie it was Mordred, if I'm not wrong. It wasn't
Speaker 2: one hundred percent accurate to the like the actual characters
Speaker 2: and like the literal story of King Arthur, but like
Speaker 2: all the elements of it, we were there and his
Speaker 2: father Uther, he's like wielding EXCaliber. It's badass, dude. It's
Speaker 2: like very anime like he when he when they willed Excalibur.
Speaker 2: They have these like incredible like powers and like this
Speaker 2: magical strength and like nobody can stand against him and
Speaker 2: super sick and they're being sieged at Camelot by Like
Speaker 2: I think it was Mordred, if I'm not mistaken. This
Speaker 2: one of the mages of the Order who turned evil,
Speaker 2: and he's like attacking them and then Pendragon whips out
Speaker 2: the sword, gets up in his base or whatever, lops
Speaker 2: his that off, and he brings it back to Camelot,
Speaker 2: and he's like everybody in Camelot king is almighty, but
Speaker 2: in this story it's his brother. It's Uther Pendragon's brother, Vordigern,
Speaker 2: who is I guess he's like a prince or whatever
Speaker 2: because he's the king's brother. Yeah, he's like jealous of
Speaker 2: his power. He's kind of acting weird. He starts crying
Speaker 2: when he sees that his brother killed again. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure it was Mordride. I didn't pay super attention to that.
Speaker 2: It was like two minutes of the movie this character,
Speaker 2: wasn't it. And you know, and Vordigern is like obviously scheming, right,
Speaker 2: and then it kind of reveals a little bit dialogue
Speaker 2: that he was sent by his brother Uther to study
Speaker 2: with the mages, so you're like, oh oh. And then Vordigern,
Speaker 2: the brother, is acting really weird when they're all having
Speaker 2: the like the chat after defeating this this evil mage
Speaker 2: and like ending this war that literally the movie starts
Speaker 2: with and he's, you know, Uther's like hey to Vortigern's wife.
Speaker 2: He's like, take you know, keep an eye on Vortigern today.
Speaker 2: He's acting weird, and he away, and then you see
Speaker 2: Vorderger and go into this castle and he's like crying
Speaker 2: or whatever. He's ringing this bell and then next thing
Speaker 2: you know, he just straight up sacrifices his wife throws
Speaker 2: her in the water. Dude, he just he just he
Speaker 2: just rips a dagger. Dude, Bro, he straight up got
Speaker 2: it in. Yeah, he just straight up just shanked her.
Speaker 2: Bro whoa And he throws her in the water and
Speaker 2: you're like, what the hell? And then you see something
Speaker 2: mysterious like coming at him through the water and you're like,
Speaker 2: what is it? Is it a serpent? I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is? And then the camera like flashes away,
Speaker 2: and then like Uther goes to his wife. Arthur's a
Speaker 2: little kid, he's a lot. He's like probably like five
Speaker 2: years old. And Uther wakes up Arthur's mother in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night. He's like, we got to get
Speaker 2: the hell out of here. Something's happening. You need to run,
Speaker 2: and he whips out EXCaliber. He goes and he's like
Speaker 2: fighting off the legions of like bad soldiers whatever, and
Speaker 2: then basically, uh, he fights this like giant demonic figure
Speaker 2: that's like it kind of looked like the dude from
Speaker 2: Mortal Kombat. With the skull mask what's his name? Shall
Speaker 2: Khan kind of look like him but like full black
Speaker 2: plate armor and like the kind of like the ram
Speaker 2: horns and a skull mask. And he's like fucking like
Speaker 2: that a demon. Yeah, And he's like ten feet tall
Speaker 2: and he's got this like double bladed scythe is that
Speaker 2: what was in the water?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: And he just like Uther is taking his wife and
Speaker 2: Arthur to this ramp to like get them out of
Speaker 2: there on a boat, and that the demonic figures like
Speaker 2: across the lake and he just like magically throws the
Speaker 2: spear like way beyond human strength, kills the mom. Arthur
Speaker 2: sees it all, so you have this theme of him
Speaker 2: witnessing the trauma of his parents' death. That's a major
Speaker 2: part of the movie. And he sees his mother killed
Speaker 2: and then Uther's like, oh shit, Arthur run and he
Speaker 2: starts fighting the demon and he's wielding EXCaliber. His eyes
Speaker 2: are glowing, the sword is glowing like all the powers
Speaker 2: or whatever. But it's not enough and he gets his
Speaker 2: ass whip by the demon. So Uther takes the sword
Speaker 2: and he throws it up in the air and then
Speaker 2: it spends and it stabs him in the back and
Speaker 2: then it turns into the sword and the stone and
Speaker 2: Arthur the floats away on a boat. And thus we
Speaker 2: have Arthur growing up in secret, right, like every version
Speaker 2: of the myth, He's growing up at a brothel. He's
Speaker 2: kind of like training kung fu with the Chinese guy George.
Speaker 2: He's like actually, like they make jokes about it, like
Speaker 2: you know, he trains all the British soldiers in kung fu.
Speaker 2: And not soldiers, not soldiers, the rebels. He's like teaching
Speaker 2: them kung Fu. So Arthur's like training kung Fu his
Speaker 2: whole life, which was like really cool. And he grows
Speaker 2: up and I'm just like skipping a lot of the
Speaker 2: fluff and keeping it about the Arthur myth, right, So
Speaker 2: then he grows up and you find out that every
Speaker 2: the sword reveals itself and obviously you as the viewer,
Speaker 2: know that Vordigren he becomes king, he betrayed his brother,
Speaker 2: he had the demonic figure like do all that when
Speaker 2: he sacrificed his wife, he Vortigern like became the stone.
Speaker 2: No Uther did?
Speaker 3: Oh the sword stabbed Uther and he became the stone.
Speaker 2: Vortigern was the demon Oh damn yeah, when he sacrificed
Speaker 2: his wife, damn to this demonic force. He was given
Speaker 2: this incredible power to like overcomic scalibers, and he became king.
Speaker 2: And then it's like a long period of darkness where
Speaker 2: he's like ruling with a fucking iron fist like Zauron,
Speaker 2: and it's like everybody's all the soldiers and these black plates,
Speaker 2: and you know, the sword reveals itself. So about a
Speaker 2: quarter of the movie, you see Vordigren go down to
Speaker 2: that place where he sacrifices his wife, and these sirens
Speaker 2: come out of the water, these ugly, disgusting sirens, and
Speaker 2: he's talking to him, and I'm gonna read the quote.
Speaker 2: He says, why has the water dropped? Why does the
Speaker 2: sword reveal itself now? And the sirens said, as your
Speaker 2: power increases, so too do the forces that will oppose you.
Speaker 2: Balance is a law that cannot be transgressed. Transgressed, the
Speaker 2: born king will come. It is inevitable. So moving forward
Speaker 2: a little bit, you find out they're testing everybody alive
Speaker 2: basically in England to like come and like it's like
Speaker 2: like thousands of people in all they'll go to cities
Speaker 2: and they'll take them in boats to the sword and
Speaker 2: like make them up. Next next, everybody try to pull
Speaker 2: it because he knows that he knows it's Arthur. He's
Speaker 2: his uncle, right, he's trying to find him. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: next next, so a sequence of events happen. I'm skipping
Speaker 2: over really a lot, right, and Arthur shows up whips
Speaker 2: that bitch out and they're like, oh shit, it's the
Speaker 2: born King, right, and he starts becoming a myth. He
Speaker 2: wields Excalibur, there's like a storm or some shit happens supernaturally,
Speaker 2: and everybody around is like, it's the born King. So
Speaker 2: there starts to be this force growing where his legend
Speaker 2: is spreading throughout the land. And finally Vortigern and again
Speaker 2: this is not even probably halfway through the movie. Vordigran
Speaker 2: captures Arthur right then, because he passes out when he
Speaker 2: first wilds EXCaliber. He starts seeing visions of witnessing his
Speaker 2: mother and father gets slaughtered. Granted, this is going somewhere.
Speaker 2: This is going somewhere al chemical. And then I'm gonna
Speaker 2: spring fourth into the alchemical if you guys just stay
Speaker 2: with me a little longer. So he every time he
Speaker 2: tries to wield a galliber. Initially he sees visions of
Speaker 2: his mother and father being slaughtered by this demon, right,
Speaker 2: and then he passes out from the trauma. He can't
Speaker 2: activate the power. His mind is in chaos. He's traumatized,
Speaker 2: it's blocked, right, and Vordigern ties him up, calls the
Speaker 2: whole freaking country. There's tens of thousands of people out
Speaker 2: in the crowd below the castle, and he's like going
Speaker 2: to execute him. And basically a sequence of events happened
Speaker 2: where like the rebels, who we at the time didn't
Speaker 2: know about yet, some of the older people from like
Speaker 2: Uther's rule, I guess escaped Vortigern and like started a
Speaker 2: rebellion loyal to Uther in the Pendragon line. And this mage,
Speaker 2: it's like a Merlin's not really in the movie. You
Speaker 2: see him one time, you hear about him the whole movie,
Speaker 2: but he's not the main mage. It's actually a girl
Speaker 2: and I can't remember her name, it's not important, but
Speaker 2: she was badass, and she had orders for Merlin basically
Speaker 2: to like kind of help him out. She pulled off
Speaker 2: some magical stuff and like helps Arthur escape. But right
Speaker 2: before that, Vordegren says this he says to Arthur, is
Speaker 2: he's about to cut his head off. He says, I
Speaker 2: will let them hate me as long as they fear me.
Speaker 2: When people fear you, and I mean really fear you,
Speaker 2: it is the most intoxicating sensation a man can possess.
Speaker 2: A force of something almost indescribable, moves through your blood
Speaker 2: and takes over you completely. Which I was like, damn, Hollywood, there,
Speaker 2: possession type Yeah, possession, human sacrifice. There's there's multiple parts
Speaker 2: of like human sacrifice in this movie. And you know,
Speaker 2: they were really kind of revealing some stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: that is how the Dark Force works. It's all fear.
Speaker 2: It's all trying to rule through fear. And I thought
Speaker 2: that was really interesting how he was like, it's so
Speaker 2: intoxicating and it moves through your blood and it just
Speaker 2: you become consumed with the feeling.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it sounds like possession the way described.
Speaker 2: And he basically was possessed, I mean he yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But and then he escapes because like I said, the
Speaker 2: Mage helped him, takes him to the rebels, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna move a little quicker now, So she takes him
Speaker 2: to the rebels, and he like kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: fuck you guys, I'm not a rebel. I don't want
Speaker 2: anything to do with this. I want to go back
Speaker 2: to my old life. And they're like, nah, you know,
Speaker 2: you you kind of you're the born king.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And he again wields Excalibur, and then he passes out.
Speaker 2: Every time he wields it, he just literally passes out.
Speaker 2: He can't do anything. So the mage is like, all right,
Speaker 2: we gotta take him to the dark Lands and his
Speaker 2: his the leader of the rebels is like, no, we
Speaker 2: can't take him to the dark Lands. There has to
Speaker 2: be another way, and she's like, this is the only way.
Speaker 2: He won't survive. Yeah, basically, he's he can't do it alone.
Speaker 2: And she's like, there's no other way. Oh shit, we
Speaker 2: gotta take him to darklands. So she goes to take
Speaker 2: him to the dark Lands and kids. So in the movie,
Speaker 2: she takes him to a ritual stone site that looks
Speaker 2: like a Druid circle that it looks like Stonehengeay, it's
Speaker 2: very druidic this movie. In the magees and how they
Speaker 2: work and it's you know, like the Wargs and Game
Speaker 2: of Thrones. Yeah, how they like possess the animals and
Speaker 2: there's a lot of that in the movie. Cool, the
Speaker 2: Good Majes do that, and then the dark ones, you know,
Speaker 2: they work with demons and stuff. She takes him to
Speaker 2: the dark Lands and he gets to this like ritual
Speaker 2: kind of stone hingesk Druid Circle, and she's like, all right,
Speaker 2: when you go in there, you know, you got to
Speaker 2: touch your sword to the altar at the tower. So
Speaker 2: this kind of like portal opens up and he's like
Speaker 2: whisked into this dark dimension where there's like giant monstrous
Speaker 2: creatures like snakes and rats and bats. It's not like monsters,
Speaker 2: it's like animals but massive, yeah, like skull Island or something.
Speaker 2: And they're trying to kill him and it's like hellish
Speaker 2: and he's like barely surviving. He's like limping at the end,
Speaker 2: and he's like cutting up all these giant snakes and
Speaker 2: rats and just like literally just trying to survive. He
Speaker 2: gets to the temple, he puts his sword on the
Speaker 2: altar and he's because he can hold Excalibur with one
Speaker 2: hand and he can like carry it around, but when
Speaker 2: he would try to like wield it, then you know,
Speaker 2: the power would start to grow and he pass out, right,
Speaker 2: so he has the with them the whole time. He
Speaker 2: puts it on the stone and he starts to see
Speaker 2: more of the memories of his mother and father, and
Speaker 2: it's too traumatic, and he starts like, he sees his
Speaker 2: mother get killed. Then he sees more of the version
Speaker 2: of what happened when his father dies. He sees the
Speaker 2: sword toss and then you know, become the stone, which
Speaker 2: originally he didn't have access to. All of these memories.
Speaker 2: He starts unfolding to him and then he looks away
Speaker 2: and he takes the sword from the altar. He doesn't
Speaker 2: complete vision, and then they pull him out of the
Speaker 2: dark Lands and lo and behold, he was just sitting
Speaker 2: there right there at the same spot. And I, you know,
Speaker 2: tend to think subconscious, damn.
Speaker 3: So they really did just take him into his own
Speaker 3: subconscious Yes, the dark lands. Yeah, he's like fighting his
Speaker 3: dark side, his darkness.
Speaker 2: And his trauma. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And she actually says, she tells him the sword is
Speaker 2: not resisting you. You are resistant the sword. And then
Speaker 2: I wrote this down as I was watching the movie.
Speaker 2: His traumas holding him back from fulfilling his destiny. They
Speaker 2: sent him too the dark Lands which is an alternate
Speaker 2: dimension with giant creatures attacking him. They explained that they Okay,
Speaker 2: so when he's in the dark Lands, the leader of
Speaker 2: the rebels and the Mage are talking and he's like,
Speaker 2: he's got to make it out alive, and the Mage
Speaker 2: is like, no, we don't want all of him to
Speaker 2: make it out alive. We want his old self to
Speaker 2: completely die. We want him to be broken down so
Speaker 2: that he will come from the dark Lands born again,
Speaker 2: anew right, born again. Basically, she didn't say born again yet.
Speaker 3: To the underworld and re emerging born again.
Speaker 2: She said, we want his old self to be completely
Speaker 2: broken down. You want him to think big, give him
Speaker 2: something big to think about. So I interpreted that, just
Speaker 2: like you did this the Dark Knight of the Soul,
Speaker 2: he went into the shadow of the subconscious. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: could say, you know people do that on psychedelics. Maybe
Speaker 2: in ancient times they were using psychedelics, or maybe they
Speaker 2: were using meditation and these rituals to get you into
Speaker 2: these places of the mind to do this shadow.
Speaker 3: We knew they were doing mushrooms. We know they was
Speaker 3: a mushrooms.
Speaker 4: So Ryan, how about how old is he at this point?
Speaker 2: It doesn't really say, But he's like a grown man.
Speaker 2: He's like probably in his mid twenties.
Speaker 4: Okay, because I've been like seeing a lot about like
Speaker 4: because just listening to you say that makes me think
Speaker 4: of someone said that the boy has to die for
Speaker 4: the man to live or the man to be born. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that's kind of it sounds similar to me, right,
Speaker 4: It's the early twenties, would be about that time.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like a coming of age slash like
Speaker 3: coming into your manhood sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So obviously I'm gonna skip pretty much the rest
Speaker 2: of the movie that's not relevant to the Arthur myth
Speaker 2: because a lot of like character dynamic and all that
Speaker 2: fun stuff in the movie takes place. You know, this
Speaker 2: character dies and you're all sad. A lot of that
Speaker 2: normal stuff obviously, but he pretty much he witnesses some
Speaker 2: of his friends die when they try to assassinate Vordigan
Speaker 2: with a bow at this like this city where he
Speaker 2: wasn't like fasing him head on. They were trying to
Speaker 2: assassinate him and be like tactical about it, and it
Speaker 2: went south. Some of their friends died or whatever. And
Speaker 2: then he starts to see his friends died. He had
Speaker 2: the visions of his parents died, the little orphaned boy
Speaker 2: whose father who was his best friend. You know, now
Speaker 2: he's an orphan, and he starts to have all these
Speaker 2: thoughts and he's like, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 2: So he goes and he throws his sword into the
Speaker 2: water to try to abandon it, and he tries to
Speaker 2: run away through the forest and then there's like this
Speaker 2: giant pile of mud and an arm reaches out and
Speaker 2: the Lady of the Lake pulls him through the puddle
Speaker 2: of mud takes him down into the water, which again
Speaker 2: is the water of his subconscious. The Lady of Lake
Speaker 2: returns Excalibur to him and says, let me show you
Speaker 2: what happens if you do not stop your uncle Vordigrean.
Speaker 2: You are the only one who can stop him. You
Speaker 2: are the born king. And then she shows a vision
Speaker 2: of like hell on earth. Because I forgot to say this,
Speaker 2: this is very important. All Vordergren was trying to do
Speaker 2: is build a tower, which dinginging tower a babbel. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's building it, and every time he adds a level,
Speaker 2: his magical power increases, and he's like trying, he's trying
Speaker 2: to build it all the way to the top, and
Speaker 2: Arthur's like, I don't I don't really want to. I
Speaker 2: don't want to be that guy, you know. And she's like,
Speaker 2: here's what's gonna happen if he completes the tower, and
Speaker 2: it's literally like hell on Earth, like cities and everywhere
Speaker 2: is raised and on fire and people are suffering and
Speaker 2: infamine and all this, and she says, you know, you
Speaker 2: got to trust the Maide. She's helping you. She's helping you,
Speaker 2: you know, achieve your destiny. Take the sword Excalibur, and
Speaker 2: you know, go and become the born king or whatever.
Speaker 2: So then he comes from the water wielding the sword.
Speaker 2: He holds it up to the sky. It's like storming,
Speaker 2: which is obviously symbolic, you know, you have thunder thunder
Speaker 2: going on, and he's you know, he's claiming Excalibur that
Speaker 2: he's going to wield it, which we'll talk about that
Speaker 2: in the alchemical process too. But then he goes. He's
Speaker 2: he gets back to the rebels after abandoning them. They're like,
Speaker 2: where the hell you been, and he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: don't worry about it, and they're like, well, what are
Speaker 2: we gonna do. He's like, we're gonna walk right in
Speaker 2: the fucking front door and we're gonna take his ass out.
Speaker 2: And then and he's like, let's go, and he shows
Speaker 2: up and basically he for the first time he will well,
Speaker 2: actually there was one time before he wielded excalaberan accident
Speaker 2: and then controlled him. It was super cool. But then
Speaker 2: he like he goes and wields it for real and
Speaker 2: he obviously has like this crazy supernuch power, defeats like
Speaker 2: a legion of soldiers fights. Vordigern gets his ass whip
Speaker 2: the first time, like like just totally just like Molly
Speaker 2: whopped Arthur. He you know, he falls down, he's about
Speaker 2: to kill his ass and then Arthur starts seeing the
Speaker 2: full memory what really happened. But it was weird because
Speaker 2: when you know, originally when the sword spends and then
Speaker 2: it lands in the stone, and this version of the memory,
Speaker 2: Arthur caught the sword before it goes into his father,
Speaker 2: so he kind of like was changing the past a
Speaker 2: little bit in his mind. He was like overriding the
Speaker 2: trauma and he catches the sword and then his father
Speaker 2: looks at him and he's like, basically like, you know,
Speaker 2: this is your sword. You're the born king. He takes
Speaker 2: it and then he wields it, whips Vortigern's ass, and
Speaker 2: he says, you created me, and for that, I bless you.
Speaker 2: You make sense of the devil instead of cursing him.
Speaker 2: He took the path of light. He defeated him, not
Speaker 2: that he wanted to out of revenge and spite, but
Speaker 2: he did it because he had to to be the
Speaker 2: righteous leader and protect the people, you know, the christ
Speaker 2: like king.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And then when he kills him, he actually grabs his
Speaker 2: hands and he's like, uncle, I bless you, even though
Speaker 2: he's like sitting there dying, and he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. Talking to him, he's like, you
Speaker 2: ask me what gave me the drive to do this?
Speaker 2: You did, and for that, I thank you. I bless you.
Speaker 2: You have made since the devil. And I took that
Speaker 2: as an interpretation of like the demonic forces or the
Speaker 2: dark forces in our life, or the devil or whatever
Speaker 2: you could think about that allegory however you want to
Speaker 2: believe that exists for a purpose to help you awaken.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he meant by makes sense of the devil.
Speaker 3: It gives it context. And meaning and like it made
Speaker 3: sense to him, Like that's.
Speaker 2: Dove as hell, right, It's super cool, dude. It has
Speaker 2: like again, it's nowhere near the quality of Lord of
Speaker 2: the Rings, like at all. Like if Lord of the
Speaker 2: Rings is a ten, it's like a five in terms
Speaker 2: of like you know, the cinematography and all that, you know,
Speaker 2: good high craft stuff. But it's pretty sick, dude. It
Speaker 2: has like a Lord of the Rings vibe, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense, like the high fantasy of it. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it is nowhere near like, don't go expecting that level
Speaker 2: of quality.
Speaker 3: But it's cool, dude. Yeah, it's super cool.
Speaker 2: Like the action's cool. There's a there's a weird thing
Speaker 2: about the movie that I probably think is why they
Speaker 2: rated it so bad. And the pacing of the movie
Speaker 2: is like downright comical. And this is something about movies
Speaker 2: that I do not like, and this movie is full
Speaker 2: of them. And it's like montages to rush the lapse
Speaker 2: of time. So it's like, you know, if you can
Speaker 2: look past it, it's a great movie. Yeah, cool, it's
Speaker 2: it's super cool. It's it was like the epitome of
Speaker 2: the hero's journey, you know, supernatural power, all that stuff
Speaker 2: and I feel like we're missing that a lot nowadays
Speaker 2: and movies. But anyway, before I get into the final
Speaker 2: part here, I wanted to talk about the battle of
Speaker 2: evermore synchronicity from led Zeppelin. The lyrics the Queen of
Speaker 2: Light took her, But I'm not gonna read all the lyrics,
Speaker 2: just the ones I highlighted that are relevant to this.
Speaker 2: The Queen of Light took her a bow, and then
Speaker 2: she turned to go. The Prince of Peace embraced the
Speaker 2: gloom and walked the night alone. Dance in the dark
Speaker 2: of night, the trauma, the night gretto, the first stage
Speaker 2: of the alchemical process, being in the darkness and the confusion.
Speaker 2: I can't see all my memories, I can't access Excalibur
Speaker 2: and my supernatural power because I'm broken and feel like shit,
Speaker 2: you know, dancing in the dark of night. But we're
Speaker 2: looking to the morning light right the second phase. I
Speaker 2: think it's called albedo, the whitening, the purification, the awakening
Speaker 2: into the power. I'm waiting for the angels of Avalon,
Speaker 2: waiting for the eastern glow, the sun, the light of
Speaker 2: the sun, the spiritual force. The magic runes are written
Speaker 2: gold to bring the balance back, bring it back at last,
Speaker 2: the sun is shining. The clouds of blue roll by
Speaker 2: with flames from the Dragon of darkness. The sunlight blinds
Speaker 2: his eyes. Which I thought that was cool about the
Speaker 2: balance thing, because in the movie it said the law
Speaker 2: of balance is a force that cannot be transgressed. As
Speaker 2: you grow in power, so too will be the force
Speaker 2: that opposes you. The born king will come right. And
Speaker 2: then I wanted to remind people of the manly Pea
Speaker 2: Hall quote when it says, with the flames from the
Speaker 2: Dragon of darkness, the sunlight blinds his eyes, and the
Speaker 2: personality of Arthur is to be found a new form
Speaker 2: of the ever recurring cosmic myth. The Prince of Britain
Speaker 2: is the Sun. His knights are the Zodiac and his
Speaker 2: flashing sword. Maybe the Sun's ray with which he fights
Speaker 2: and vanquishes the dragons of darkness, or it may represent
Speaker 2: the Earth's axis. Yadda, YadA, YadA. I read the quote earlier,
Speaker 2: crazy that led Zeppelin was on that Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah they got all that symbolism and on
Speaker 3: the mountain covers they knew what was up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So now we're gonna get into the last face.
Speaker 2: The alchemical stages of the Arthur myth. So basically, from
Speaker 2: the esoteric perspective, you could look at King Arthur as
Speaker 2: the four steps of the alchemical process. Step one uh
Speaker 2: nigrito the blackening. So the blackening stage is the first
Speaker 2: phase and it represents a period of decay, dissolution, purification,
Speaker 2: setting the groundwork for transformation to occur. It involves the
Speaker 2: breakdown of the alchemist's material and spiritual essence in the
Speaker 2: physical realm. This means the decomposition and putrefaction of substances. Spiritually,
Speaker 2: it denotes the death of the old self, confronting one's
Speaker 2: darkest aspects in inner turmoil. The only way he's got
Speaker 2: to go to the darklands. Yeah, or just like Luke
Speaker 2: Skywalker bro when he's training with Yoda, he has to
Speaker 2: go into this dark little small arth Vader, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's in every great hero's journey myth. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: The symbolism of blackness represents the unconscious, the darkness, and
Speaker 2: the chaos. And traditionally, when people go through initiation ceremonies
Speaker 2: in these secret mystery traditions, they tend to start wearing
Speaker 2: black in some orders and then once initiated.
Speaker 4: We're White.
Speaker 3: A symbol of the purification process exactly.
Speaker 2: It is associated with the initial state of confusion and disorientation,
Speaker 2: akin to the dark night of the soul, where the
Speaker 2: individual must confront and integrate their shadow. It's linked to
Speaker 2: psychological disintegration. It signifies the breaking down of the ego
Speaker 2: and false identities, leading to a deeper understanding of one's
Speaker 2: true self. Spiritually, it marks the beginning of the purification process,
Speaker 2: where old beliefs in negative patterns are dismantled. Alchemically, the
Speaker 2: process might involve the fermentation or rotting of materials to
Speaker 2: produce a black substance. These physical processes serve as metaphors
Speaker 2: for the inner transformation occurring within the alchemist. It can
Speaker 2: be likened to the concept of death, where the individual
Speaker 2: undergoes a symbolic death, presenting the end of old ways
Speaker 2: of being and thinking. This parallels the alchemist's goal of
Speaker 2: achieving a new state of existence through the destruction of
Speaker 2: the old self. The completion of Nigrito leaves the alchemist
Speaker 2: in a state of raw potential. The chaos and disintegration
Speaker 2: of the stage are necessary for the subsequent phases of
Speaker 2: the great work. Or the magnum opus of alchemy, preparing
Speaker 2: the alchemist for renewal and enlightenment. I will say that
Speaker 2: everybody in my life that I've ever met just having
Speaker 2: this crazy journey of you know, being a UFO experiencer
Speaker 2: and kind of like having had contact with so many
Speaker 2: people reaching out to us about this. Everybody I've ever
Speaker 2: met in my life. It's like, dude, i feel like
Speaker 2: I'm going through an awakening process. I'm waking up everybody
Speaker 2: I've ever met, by the hundreds, if not thousands, I swear,
Speaker 2: bro They tend to always go into some initial period
Speaker 2: of suffering when they realized what they thought they knew
Speaker 2: is not what they knew. Yeah, oh yeah, and that
Speaker 2: makes sense according to the phases of alchemical.
Speaker 3: It's also exactly what happened in the Arthur myth. They
Speaker 3: literally said that part of him has to die in
Speaker 3: order for him to awaken like his true self.
Speaker 2: This is why in these ancient mystery traditions, they would
Speaker 2: perform these ceremonial ritual initiations where they would imitate dying
Speaker 2: and being reborn. You know, That's why they have the
Speaker 2: myth of Osiris laying in the coffin or the story
Speaker 2: of Jesus dying and resurrecting. You know, in the Arthurian
Speaker 2: context of Nigrito his early life, and I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about the movie. I'm talking about the Arthur myth. His
Speaker 2: early life is shrouded in mystery and secrecy. Born out
Speaker 2: of wedlock to Uther, Pendragon and Egrain, he is hidden
Speaker 2: away by Merlin to protect him from those who might
Speaker 2: harm him. This period represents the chaos and uncertainty of Nigrito,
Speaker 2: where his true potential as a future king is obscured.
Speaker 2: The Kingdom of Britain is in turmoil, lacking a strong leader.
Speaker 2: Uther's death plunges the land into disorder, with various factions
Speaker 2: vying for his power. The societal chaos mirrors the cycle
Speaker 2: and spiritual disintegration of Nigrido, where old structures must break
Speaker 2: down to make way for renewal. His hidden potential Arthurs
Speaker 2: is like the raw material in alchemy that must undergo transformation.
Speaker 2: His upbringing away from the court under Merlin's guidance in
Speaker 2: secret is the preparatory stage where his latent qualities are
Speaker 2: nurtured in secret. The second phase albedo, referred to as
Speaker 2: the whitening stage, is a critical phase in the journey
Speaker 2: of the awakening of the soul towards spiritual and material transformation.
Speaker 2: The transition from nigrido to albedo symbolizes moving from chaos
Speaker 2: and confusion to a state of clarity and enlightenment, Purification
Speaker 2: and cleansing. Albedo involves these steps to cleanse the alchemist's
Speaker 2: material and spiritual essence and the physical Realmness means the
Speaker 2: separation of pure substances from impurities. Spiritually, it denotes the
Speaker 2: cleansing of the soul, removing the metaphorical darkness and shadows
Speaker 2: the clouds one true one's true nature. Whiteness in the
Speaker 2: albedo phase represents purity, light, and truth. It is associated
Speaker 2: with the illumination of the mind and spirit, akin to
Speaker 2: the dawn breaking through the night, bringing new understanding and awareness.
Speaker 2: Albido is often linked to a rebirth or awakening, and
Speaker 2: psychological terms, it signifies the integration of the conscious and
Speaker 2: unconscious mind, leading to a greater self awareness and insights. Spiritually,
Speaker 2: it marks the attainment of a higher state of being
Speaker 2: where the individual is more in tune with their true
Speaker 2: self and the divine. Alchemically, it involves the washing of
Speaker 2: a substance or rid it of impurities, or the heating
Speaker 2: of materials to produce a white ash. These physical processes
Speaker 2: serve as metaphors for the inner transformation occurring within the alchemist.
Speaker 2: It can be likened to the concept of baptism, where
Speaker 2: the individual undergoes a ritual washing in water, symbolizing the
Speaker 2: removal of sin and the rebirth into a life of
Speaker 2: spiritual purity. This parallels the alchemist's goal of achieving a
Speaker 2: state of spiritual and moral clarity. The completion of albido
Speaker 2: brings a sense of inner peace and balance, the chaos
Speaker 2: and turmoil of nigritae, or left behind, and the alchemist
Speaker 2: experiences new harmony and equilibrium. This stage prepares the individual
Speaker 2: for the subsequent phases of the great work, the magnum Opus,
Speaker 2: leading ultimately to the Philosopher's Stone and the attainment of
Speaker 2: enlightenment and immortality, and the Arthurian context, and I'm halfway
Speaker 2: done here, and then we're done, halfway done with these phases,
Speaker 2: you know, and the Arthurian context. Arthur pulling excalibur from
Speaker 2: the stone or receiving it from the Lady of the
Speaker 2: Lake symbolizes his rightful claim to the throne and the
Speaker 2: purification of his lineage. I did forget to say this detail,
Speaker 2: but in the movie it was really cool how they
Speaker 2: made EXCaliber because it was Uther was the king and he,
Speaker 2: like Merlin, was kind of like his friend and counselor
Speaker 2: he was like one of the heads of the order.
Speaker 2: He goes to this evil dark mage, steals his staff,
Speaker 2: forges it as x EXCaliber, and I think he throws
Speaker 2: it to the Lady of the Lake, who then gives
Speaker 2: it to Uther. And or maybe it was the other
Speaker 2: way around. Maybe he gives it to the Lady the Lake,
Speaker 2: then she gives it back to Merlin. Either way, and
Speaker 2: in the movie, Merlin binds the sword Excalibur to the
Speaker 2: Pendragon blood line, which I thought was really cool. That's
Speaker 2: why Arthur could wield it even though it was his
Speaker 2: father's before him, you know, So Arthur pulling Excalibur from
Speaker 2: the stone in the real myth or receiving it from
Speaker 2: the Lady of the Lake, it's different in every version.
Speaker 2: Symbolizes his rightful claim to the throne, his divine right
Speaker 2: to have this supernatural power, and the purification of his lineage.
Speaker 2: This act is albedo where his potential is actualized. He
Speaker 2: has awakened, and he steps into his role as the
Speaker 2: destined born king. Establishing Camelot represents the creation of a
Speaker 2: new enlightened order, a harmonious, utopian order. Camelot is a
Speaker 2: symbol of purity, justice, and rivalry, embodying the principles of Albedo.
Speaker 2: The Roundtable, with its emphasis on equality, where everyone is
Speaker 2: equally at the table and noble deeds, reflects the purification
Speaker 2: and the enlightenment associated with this stage. The formation of
Speaker 2: the Knights of the Roundtable, dedicated to the upholding of
Speaker 2: chivalric idea deals, further exemplifies the purification and spiritual enlightenment
Speaker 2: of the stage. These nights are not just warriors, but
Speaker 2: also paragons of virtue, embodying the illuminated mind and spirit citrinitas.
Speaker 2: The third phase, the yellowing. It represents the spiritual awakening
Speaker 2: and the manifestation of the inner light following the purification
Speaker 2: of Albedo. It involves the awakening of the material and
Speaker 2: spiritual essence and the physical realm. This means that the
Speaker 2: material begins to exhibit a golden hue, is becoming gold Spiritually.
Speaker 2: It denotes the dawning of wisdom and enlightenment, the emergence
Speaker 2: of the inner light. Yellow in citrinitas represents the sun
Speaker 2: light and consciousness. It's associated with the illumination of the
Speaker 2: mind and spirit, akin to the rising sun that brings
Speaker 2: clarity and understanding after the darkness of light. It's linked
Speaker 2: to the integration of knowledge and wisdom in the psyche.
Speaker 2: It is the merging of conscious insight with the previously
Speaker 2: unconscious elements of the mind, leading to profound spiritual insight. Spiritually,
Speaker 2: it marks the blossoming of one's inner light in the
Speaker 2: beginning of a deeper spiritual understanding. Alchemically, it involves the
Speaker 2: heating of substances to produce a yellow or golden color.
Speaker 2: These physical processes serve as metaphors for the inner awakening
Speaker 2: occurring within the alchemist. Citrinitas can be linked to the
Speaker 2: concept of enlightenment, where the individual awakens in the emergence
Speaker 2: of light and knowledge, like the coming of the sun.
Speaker 2: This parallels the alchemist's goal of achieving a state of
Speaker 2: heightened awareness and spiritual clarity. It's it's the preparatory phase
Speaker 2: for the final phase of alchemy, which is rubido, which
Speaker 2: I thought was weird the ruby.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: Like, remember we talked about in the Starget episode, the
Speaker 2: missing Ruby. Yeah, at the Sphinx, you know, leading ultimately
Speaker 2: to the Philosopher's Stone. In the Great Work the Attainment
Speaker 2: of Perfection and the Arthurian context, the various quests undertaken
Speaker 2: by the Knights of the Roundtable, especially the quest for
Speaker 2: the Holy Grail, symbolized the journey towards spiritual awakening and enlightenment.
Speaker 2: These quests are trials that testonizes virtues, wisdom, and spiritual resolve,
Speaker 2: aligning with the Citronitas stage. Arthur's reign is marked by
Speaker 2: wisdom and justice, reflecting his enlightened state. He embodies the
Speaker 2: integration of physical and spiritual power, guiding his knights and
Speaker 2: kingdom towards higher ideals. This period of his rule represents
Speaker 2: the blossoming of wisdom and the illumination of citronitas. His
Speaker 2: wise governance and the harmonious function of Camelot under his
Speaker 2: leadership exemplify the spiritual awakening and integration of knowledge associated
Speaker 2: with this phase. His reign is a period of prosperity.
Speaker 2: It's like a golden age of peace and enlightenment, where
Speaker 2: the kingdom reflects the inner light of its ruler and
Speaker 2: its knights, and then the final stage Rubido, the reddening.
Speaker 2: It represents the achievement of the great work, the magnum opus,
Speaker 2: and the attainment of spiritual and material perfection, or, as
Speaker 2: a Rosicrucian might say, the attainment of God in Man,
Speaker 2: or as Rudolph Steiner would say, the awakening of the
Speaker 2: inner god Man the God within. Rubido involves the integration
Speaker 2: of the alchemist's material and spiritual essence into a unified
Speaker 2: hole in the physical realm. This means the material achieves
Speaker 2: a red or golden red hue. Spiritually, it denotes the
Speaker 2: culmination of the transformative process, resulting in a complete and
Speaker 2: perfected self. Red in Rubido represents the philosopher's stone.
Speaker 3: Harry Potter bro Oh yeah, yeah, I've been thinking that
Speaker 3: the whole time. Red Little Jim is the philosopher's.
Speaker 2: Stone, typically depicted as a red gem. It is, I mean,
Speaker 2: it is, according to the yeah yeah, infra meta alchemist.
Speaker 3: Yes, yep, yep, yep, wow.
Speaker 2: It represents the philosopher's stone, the stone, the Sun at
Speaker 2: his peak, and the fullness of life. It is associated
Speaker 2: with the final stage of transformation, where the alchemist attains
Speaker 2: spiritual and material mastery, psychological and spiritual unification of the self.
Speaker 2: It signifies the integration of all aspects of the psyche,
Speaker 2: leading to a state of wholeness and complete harmony. It
Speaker 2: marks the realization of one's true divine nature and the
Speaker 2: union with the divine. Alchemically, the process might involve the
Speaker 2: production of a red substance, such as the Philosopher's Stone
Speaker 2: the Red Elixir. I believe they call this the prima materia,
Speaker 2: the physical process to serve as metaphors for the innercompletion
Speaker 2: occurring within the alchemists. It can be likened to the
Speaker 2: concept of resurrection, where the individual undergoes a spiritual rebirth.
Speaker 2: The phoenix right at the top of the Embassy of
Speaker 2: the Free Mind. The final room in the museum was
Speaker 2: called the Phoenix Room. Did it have a phoenix in it?
Speaker 2: It might have had a diagram of a phoenix, but
Speaker 2: it was just a bunch of other magical diagrams and
Speaker 2: the arch of this place. Yeah, for sure, I got you,
Speaker 2: But I just thought it was cool that the final
Speaker 2: room is the Phoenix Room. Yeah, Rubido, you've awakened. Wow,
Speaker 2: you know symbolizing the emergence of a new perfect itself.
Speaker 2: This paralyzed parallels the alchemist's goal of achieving immortality and
Speaker 2: ultimate enlightenment. The completion of Roubido brings a sense of
Speaker 2: perfection and mastery. The integration and unification of this stage
Speaker 2: is the attainment of the Great Work, where the alchemist
Speaker 2: achieved spiritual and material perfection, symbolized by the Philosopher's Stone.
Speaker 2: In the Arthurian context, the quest for the Holy Grail
Speaker 2: is the ultimate spiritual journey, seeking the highest form of
Speaker 2: enlightenment in union with the divine. The Grail quest is
Speaker 2: the pinnacle of the night's spiritual endeavors, embodying the Roubido
Speaker 2: stage where the great work is achieved. Arthur's final battle
Speaker 2: with Mordred and his subsequent journey to Avalon, which is
Speaker 2: why I brought up the led Zeppelin song too, Waiting
Speaker 2: for the Angels of Avalon, Waiting for the Eastern Glow.
Speaker 2: Avalon is like the heaven of the Arthur myth. It's
Speaker 2: like this right right, It's like and Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 4: Whatever they call it. Yes, it's like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Arthur's final battle with Mordred and his journey to
Speaker 2: Avalon symbolized the culmination of his earthly journey and his
Speaker 2: transition to a higher state of being. Avalon is the
Speaker 2: mystical and coternal place which represents the attainment of spiritual
Speaker 2: and material perfection, akin to the Philosopher's Stone. The Grail,
Speaker 2: often confused with Arthur's Kingdom, suggests that the kingdom itself
Speaker 2: is a reflection of the Grail's divine nature. This union
Speaker 2: represents the harmonious integration of the material and spiritual realms,
Speaker 2: achieving the ultimate goal of the alchemical work. His journey
Speaker 2: to Avalon, where he is said to heal and return
Speaker 2: when needed by mankind, reflects the immortality and eternal perfection
Speaker 2: of Rubido. It signifies the birth and renewal of the
Speaker 2: true King, embodying the Philosopher's Stone promise of eternal life
Speaker 2: imperfected wisdom. Once you achieve the immortality of Rubido and
Speaker 2: you awaken to the the state of perfection the God
Speaker 2: with the man, you've achieved the Philosopher's Stone, then you
Speaker 2: can sit in the siege perilous the seat, yes, the
Speaker 2: chair yep, the seat of the perfect Man. It's always
Speaker 2: in waiting to be filled by that perfect man who's
Speaker 2: seeking the Grail. So that's that's pretty deep. That's why
Speaker 2: in the beginning I wanted to talk about the dark
Speaker 2: Death of King Arthur and every myth because then at
Speaker 2: the end we talk about what it.
Speaker 3: Really means, right, and how it's sention to the spirit world. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's a necessary part of his journey to ascension.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: The diving into this really like contextualizes the Grail myth
Speaker 3: and the philosophers Stale myth. It like really connects all
Speaker 3: the pieces and fills out the picture in a really
Speaker 3: beautiful way. And I still can't help but be mind
Speaker 3: blown that. I mean, over a thousand years ago, you know,
Speaker 3: and four hundreds of consecutive years, people have been like
Speaker 3: weaving this elaborate allegory of of these like archetypal alchemical lessons,
Speaker 3: and like it's it's really beyond my own Like I
Speaker 3: can't even fathom putting all of that stuff together and
Speaker 3: then weaving it in. It's such a beautiful story, and
Speaker 3: probably out of necessity, right, like, because if they just
Speaker 3: wrote this stuff down as it is and then they're
Speaker 3: caught with it, like they could be killed, they could
Speaker 3: be you know, they're persecuted for these beliefs and trying
Speaker 3: to pass this knowledge along, Like these stories and these
Speaker 3: allegories probably came out of necessity, like they had to
Speaker 3: do it this way.
Speaker 2: I used to think, like, wow, why do they keep
Speaker 2: all this stuff secret? But lately I have been kind
Speaker 2: of like, like I was telling Jenny the other day, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I still am I believe like truths should
Speaker 2: be free, it should be spread, but I'm starting to
Speaker 2: understand why the initial secrecy because like, these these dudes
Speaker 2: were being killed. They were being killed literally slaughtered.
Speaker 3: Absolutely for ages and ages and ages, and by different enemies,
Speaker 3: by different groups. They're being hunted and persecuted and like
Speaker 3: and still to this day, there's a lot of stifling
Speaker 3: of this kind of information, like it's kind of still
Speaker 3: being persecuted.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I feel like you know, when you first,
Speaker 2: especially coming from a Christian background and having that original lens,
Speaker 2: your initial thought is like, oh, this is you know,
Speaker 2: dark of coal, like they're keeping new secrets and you
Speaker 2: know it's and like I used to think about things
Speaker 2: like why would they keep a secret? Knowledge would be free?
Speaker 2: But now I'm kind of like, dang, Like you know,
Speaker 2: I could I guess what I'm coming from is like
Speaker 2: the world absolutely was not ready right for all of
Speaker 2: this stuff to be out in the open, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's it's just crazy to think about, like from
Speaker 2: a new lens, you know, especially after going to the
Speaker 2: embassy in Amsterdam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look into history, persecuted groups always turn their their
Speaker 3: knowledge and their stories into art. That's how it gets
Speaker 3: passed along. That's the only way they can pass it along,
Speaker 3: right without dying or being persecuted or punished for passing
Speaker 3: that knowledge along. They turn it into art so that
Speaker 3: it's like a little bit more covert but also immortalized. Absolutely. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it'll be appreciated forever. And it's yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 3: really genius. And I'm kind of I kind of just
Speaker 3: as we're doing this episode, came to that same realization
Speaker 3: that like, oh no, of course this stuff is all
Speaker 3: being hidden in allegories and these elaborate stories.
Speaker 2: It's because these people were being killed literally, yeah, hunted slaughtered.
Speaker 3: That like kind of makes these stories that much more beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does contextualize it when you like look
Speaker 2: at that for like the actual historical lens. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and like see, like I don't know, man, It's just
Speaker 2: like I feel like that that that trip to Amsterdam
Speaker 2: and being at the embassy and like spending just an
Speaker 2: hour there reading everything on the walls and the pamphlets
Speaker 2: and like seeing the history and like the persecution of
Speaker 2: it in Europe. And I'm like sitting in the random
Speaker 2: place where it was happening. Yeah, and I'm sitting right
Speaker 2: there reading all this stuff. I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it helped me like re contextualize
Speaker 2: these things. Could you see while like why while I
Speaker 2: was researching this stuff, I was like, I don't even
Speaker 2: care to talk about like if he was real or not? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: focus on this absolutely, you know. Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it's clear that it's allegory and
Speaker 3: it's very important allegory, and like that doesn't make it
Speaker 3: any less significant.
Speaker 2: There was one other thing I wanted to mention because
Speaker 2: it ties to the Merlin episode, and I thought this
Speaker 2: was really cool. This is a summary. I didn't I
Speaker 2: thought I would. Let's be honest, I knew this was
Speaker 2: gonna take a long time, but I have way more
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, it's it would probably be
Speaker 2: at least another hour and I'm like, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: another time we can go into this, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: read a small excerpt from another part of this research
Speaker 2: that I gathered, and there was this brilliant video I
Speaker 2: watched on YouTube. I'm gonna give a shout out, a
Speaker 2: shout out. I'm doing like a twenty four hour fast
Speaker 2: right now. So that's why I'm like, you know, it
Speaker 2: kind of makes you a little fun. I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm like struggling my words today, dude. But anyway, so
Speaker 2: YouTube video summary of Numanus Damon, and this video is
Speaker 2: called the Hidden Alchemy in King Arthur's Story. It's like
Speaker 2: twenty minutes. It's super brilliant, and I have the entire
Speaker 2: transcript that I pulled from YouTube and like removed a
Speaker 2: lot of the fluff out of it. And I was
Speaker 2: gonna go over this entire like twenty minute video, but
Speaker 2: it would take way longer than that. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: read this part that I think you'll really look. Let
Speaker 2: me find it, okay. Merlin compliments Arthur's physical might with
Speaker 2: spiritual wisdom, paralleling the Hindu relationship between Kushatriya, the warrior
Speaker 2: king and the brahmin or the y sage. The nights
Speaker 2: of the Roundtable are bound by spiritual commitments, which reflects
Speaker 2: an initiatic brotherhood like the Freemasonry. So like in this video,
Speaker 2: the Hidden Alchemy of Arthur. It's really cool because it
Speaker 2: goes like way deeper into some of the symbolism and
Speaker 2: even like relates it to like the Atlantis myth and Hyperborea,
Speaker 2: which is a Greek myth are you familiar with, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like the giants that live beyond the wall,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's some versions of Hyperborea suggest that
Speaker 2: actually it like predates Atlantis and that like the Atlantis,
Speaker 2: the Atlantean people may have come from Hyperborea. It's like, again,
Speaker 2: this is all like ancient conjecture, but it's very fun
Speaker 2: to read and talk about. But I thought you'd like
Speaker 2: that Arthur and Merlin connection, Like the Arthur and the
Speaker 2: Merlin archetypes are merged that either one can't be fulfilled
Speaker 2: without the other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a lot of like simil, there are
Speaker 3: a lot of similarities and there's a lot of overlap
Speaker 3: between the myths.
Speaker 2: And this is an archetype that predates the Arthur legend
Speaker 2: in the ancient Hindu texts. Yeah, right, that's super cool,
Speaker 2: way way older, way older.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so who knows the people who wrote these
Speaker 3: these Arthurian myths, they could have been studying that Hindu knowledge.
Speaker 2: They absolutely, you know, like absolutely they could have.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I suspect that that was way more common in the
Speaker 2: ancient past than we have been led to believe in
Speaker 2: modern times, because you know, again, I could speak from
Speaker 2: my experience grown up as a Christian. You think they're
Speaker 2: all separate, yes, you think, like the Christians are the Christians,
Speaker 2: and the Hindus and the Hindus and the Buddhists are
Speaker 2: the Buddhists. But I suspect that like, these people back
Speaker 2: in the day knew a lot more about each other
Speaker 2: than we commonly think today, and that they were like
Speaker 2: very much privy to each other's texts, and like we
Speaker 2: have all these stories, dude, the secret teaching of the
Speaker 2: all Ages. I'm definitely gonna talk about this in a
Speaker 2: future Wisdom Tradition episode. He goes into great detail about
Speaker 2: Plato being an initiate of the Eleusis mysteries and pythagorasts,
Speaker 2: and how he traveled to these other places and learned
Speaker 2: from Egypt and India and like I'm really starting to
Speaker 2: think that, like that's way more common than we think.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure, especially amongst these like mystics, like they're
Speaker 3: collecting knowledge from everywhere to study the similarities and like
Speaker 3: the symbolic truths behind them. Right yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: we just we we just grew up Christian and being
Speaker 3: told like it's evil to look at that other stuff, right,
Speaker 3: you know that's just our experience exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I just yeah, man, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: according to the Secret Teaching of All Ages, dude, it's
Speaker 2: like a lot, a lot a lot of these uh,
Speaker 2: Western traditions were influenced by Eastern traditions, like I'm talking
Speaker 2: of like thousands of years ago.
Speaker 3: I'm certain it's it just predates it by such a
Speaker 3: long time. I'm certain there's influence there. There has to be.
Speaker 2: It's wold. Yeah, that's all I got, man, That's all
Speaker 2: I got. On the other stuff, incredible stuff, that was awesome,
Speaker 2: That was so cool. Any anything to report, Man, You've
Speaker 2: been over their research and mainly be all, did you
Speaker 2: just let the case go cold?
Speaker 4: It's like his real murder, he's guess actually they Yeah,
Speaker 4: these guys I think killed him in an RV. I
Speaker 4: feel like that's what the wife believes.
Speaker 2: You just stared too far into.
Speaker 4: No, to be honest, I actually have really enjoyed that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've really enjoyed the alchemical process link to Arthur. Appreciate
Speaker 4: not knowing much about Arthur and knowing a little bit
Speaker 4: about the alchemical process. I did enjoy this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I do know that you know a lot about hercules,
Speaker 2: but I was I just I thought you'd appreciate them.
Speaker 2: There'd be some parallels.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, they're both heroes, right,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: You think about it. Well, I don't know, it's a
Speaker 4: little different. I started thinking, I'm hesitant to put myself
Speaker 4: on camera because of my posture here, but feet up anyway,
Speaker 4: I've got to thinking about the colors of the Catholic
Speaker 4: priests and how they relate to the colors of the
Speaker 4: alchemical process. And it's interesting that when Catholic priests are
Speaker 4: not preaching, they're dressed in all black. When they are preaching,
Speaker 4: they're dressed in white.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, it's a can you say that again, when
Speaker 2: they're not preaching, when.
Speaker 4: They're not when they're doing church duties, and when they're
Speaker 4: going about their daily life, they're generally black shirt, black pants,
Speaker 4: black belt, and a white collar. The traditional, the traditional.
Speaker 4: And again this is just Catholicism, and this is just
Speaker 4: from my personal you know, background Catholicism, right, and then
Speaker 4: when they go to preach, they put on top of
Speaker 4: that a white like I don't know, the official.
Speaker 3: Robe or whatever.
Speaker 4: And then what's interesting is then the bishops who are
Speaker 4: above the like think of bishops as like the general
Speaker 4: manager of the regional manager. They wear black all the time, okay,
Speaker 4: and their robe, yes, their robe is black. But that
Speaker 4: above them are cardinals, which I believe either wear black
Speaker 4: or red or a combination of that. I and I
Speaker 4: above the cardinals is the pope who wears white red
Speaker 4: rings a bell like I feel like cardinals have some
Speaker 4: red in their yeah, coloring.
Speaker 2: So it's just.
Speaker 4: Interesting, like I don't I don't know if it's if
Speaker 4: it's like a perversion of the chemical process or if
Speaker 4: it's their own thing.
Speaker 2: Or maybe it's not an over perversion. Maybe it's just
Speaker 2: like over time that has you know, we talk about
Speaker 2: this in many previous episodes about like the unconscious pulling
Speaker 2: on the symbolans like we talk about this in the
Speaker 2: context of art, which I am now all in. Well, also,
Speaker 2: like that's what occurs.
Speaker 4: I've talked about why I wear all white on the show,
Speaker 4: and that is like it makes you more receptive to energies.
Speaker 4: So maybe it's just the sense that when the priest
Speaker 4: is not preaching, he's keeping to himself, like conserving his energy,
Speaker 4: keeping his energy within and reflecting every like defla acting
Speaker 4: everything else. And then when he goes to do his
Speaker 4: job in front of the community and the congregation, he
Speaker 4: switches to white to become one with that energy around him.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, sir, where is your polo?
Speaker 4: I've wear a T shirt today. You don't know the
Speaker 4: real reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When I ride the motorcycle, the the collar flies around.
Speaker 2: Wow, wowow epic. Yeah, this this was a fun one.
Speaker 2: Hope you guys enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: Glad I could weigh in at the end to prove
Speaker 4: I was paying attention.
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Speaker 1: Kind of clutch.
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Speaker 1: Like smiling on the inside of it. No one knows, man, Wow,
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