WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:06.320 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on BZ Boston's news video. 2 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:12.279 And ironically, Jansen was also the last batter in today's 3 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:14.039 game in the bottom of the ninth for the Red 4 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:16.280 Sox when he struck out and the game ended. So 5 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:18.600 he was the last batter for the Blue Jays when 6 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:21.600 the game was suspended, and the last batter tonight when 7 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:25.000 the game ended a couple of months later. Pretty weird, 8 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:27.320 one of those weird things in the world. My name's 9 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:30.559 Dan Ray. I'm not weird. No no, no, no no. 10 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.520 I'm your talk show host. I am your voice of reason, 11 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:36.560 the guy who holds forth here Monday through Friday night 12 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:39.520 from eight until midnight, was along with Rob Brooks, who 13 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.960 was back in the control room getting set for all 14 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:46.200 of your phone calls, which will only begin after the 15 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:49.240 nine o'clock a newscast, because during this hour we talked 16 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:52.520 to four newsmakers, four people who have done a story 17 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.520 that might be of interest to you. I hope they'll 18 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:59.159 all be of interest to you. Coming up tonight at 19 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:02.880 nine o'clock, we'll be talking with the Auditor the State 20 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:06.719 Order of the Commwealth of Massachusetts, the Honorable Diana Desaglio. 21 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:10.280 She's just released an auditor of the Massachusetts Convention Center 22 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:14.599 Authority that drew a lot of attention discovering disturbing and 23 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:18.319 unlawful practices. Also going to talk about her push to 24 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:21.920 be in a non disclosure agreements in state government, as 25 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:26.719 well as a ballot question next November, which I'm supporting 26 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:29.879 and I hope all of you are as well, which 27 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:32.280 would give her as the state auditor, the right to 28 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:35.879 audit the state legislature. All of these issues, by the way, 29 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:38.879 I kind of all intertwined. We'll explain that, and then 30 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:43.519 later on tonight will Donald Trump and the Vice President 31 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:47.840 of the United States, Vice President Kamala Harris ever debate. 32 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:50.879 They're debating now whether they're going to debate on September 33 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:53.599 tenth on ABC. But before we get to all of 34 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.840 that a little bit later on, let's get to the 35 00:01:56.879 --> 00:02:00.560 matter at he end. We're going to talk with Tatum 36 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:08.520 Hunter about the seemingly impossible, totally impossible task of recovering 37 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:14.599 your Facebook account if somehow, some way you either are 38 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:18.439 locked out by a hacker or you inadvertently lock yourself 39 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:23.080 out by not remembering your password. Tatum Hunter, Washington Post 40 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:26.919 Technical Technology reporter. Welcome, Tatum, How are you. 41 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:29.599 I'm doing good. Thanks for having me. 42 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:33.960 How difficult is it to get back into your Facebook account? 43 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:39.280 I find Facebook a complete enigma. I mean, it's a 44 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:42.120 mystery wrapped in an enigma. I have no idea. It's 45 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.840 like a Gordian knot why we even do it. God 46 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:51.280 only knows why this is easier than becoming an astronaut 47 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.360 or becoming the president of the United States. I think. 48 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:59.439 You might be right. I found that once people lose 49 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:02.560 access to that Facebook account, they're shocked by the way 50 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:06.120 that they're kind of dumped into this, you know, healthscape 51 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.159 of not being able to get support, not being able 52 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:11.439 to get answers, and not being able to get back in. 53 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.960 So it's sort of like a modern day purgatory. You 54 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:19.159 don't know, you can't get to heaven and you can't 55 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:22.159 I mean, it's well, maybe it's a hell of sort. Seriously, 56 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:26.120 why does Facebook make this so impossible? There's no way 57 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:29.719 to contact anyone. I wish I had Zuckerberg's number and 58 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.439 I'd call them directly. And Quesse, it's no longer even Facebook. 59 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:34.039 What do they call it now? Metta? 60 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:38.800 Yeah, metas metas the umbrella you know company and then 61 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:42.840 you've got the app Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp inside of there, 62 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.800 and you know it's I'm glad you mentioned it because 63 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:47.919 I've found this to be true for Instagram as well, 64 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:50.520 that when people get locked out of their accounts, they 65 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:54.639 really really struggle to recover them. And that's because it 66 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:58.599 seems from the outside like Meta dedicates a starting start, 67 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:03.479 startlingly low number of resources to this problem. And part 68 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.800 of that might be because the easier you make account recovery, 69 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.560 the easier it becomes for hackers to take advantage of 70 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.319 that process. So making it hard to get into accounts 71 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:14.159 can be a good thing because it like keeps our 72 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:17.800 accounts safe. But then also they seem to kind of, 73 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:23.120 you know, not have employees enough employees dedicated to this, 74 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:28.600 to helping people, given that you know, millions and millions 75 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:32.000 of people have Facebook accounts and it's actually for a 76 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:33.839 lot of people this huge part of our lives where 77 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:38.160 we're coordinating work or childcare or other other important things. 78 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.360 Do they actually care at all? Honesty? I mean you 79 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.279 you really immersed yourself in this. I don't think they care. 80 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:45.480 I really don't. 81 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:52.800 I think that you know, Facebook's real customers are advertisers. Right, 82 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:55.199 it's free to use if you're like you and me. 83 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:57.439 So you know, the people that are really beholden to 84 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:00.639 are the people paying money and that, and that's not 85 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:03.199 you and me. So I think that for them, the 86 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:06.879 cost of helping people with account recovery might be higher 87 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.360 than the cost of just losing a user here and 88 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:12.720 there and just kind of letting them, letting them languish. 89 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:17.519 But another problem arises because you know, somebody ends up 90 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:21.160 doing network and too often it's organizations like the Identity 91 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:25.560 Theft Resource Center, like the Federal Trade Commission kind of fielding, 92 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:29.480 and people like me in my inbox fielding these questions 93 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:32.920 about how to get back into a Facebook account because 94 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:35.120 the company itself doesn't seem to be helping. 95 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:39.360 So is there any sort of I hate to bring 96 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:41.800 up the whole question of morality because I think that 97 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:44.639 we're not a particularly moral nation at this point. I 98 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.319 think everybody wants to get what they can get. Does 99 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:51.079 Facebook feel any sort of like moral obligation to the 100 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:54.160 people who they have accepted as members? I mean, people 101 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:58.920 have wedding pictures and babies pictures and important information on 102 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:01.959 their Facebook account. Don't and you have too you know, 103 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:06.519 two factor authentication, which is readily available. I mean, they 104 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:09.439 couldn't come up with a system which would allow them 105 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:12.560 to figure out first. And of course the most immoral 106 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:16.199 people of all are the hackers. You know, who's whose 107 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.199 idea of getting kicks and jolly's as opposed going out 108 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:22.319 and interacting with people, is to just hack into people's 109 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.839 accounts from the from the basements of their mother's home. 110 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.959 You know, it's so frustrating, and it's just so frustrating, 111 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.639 and you must be even more frustrated having gone through this. 112 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:34.920 Is there any morality involved in this at all? Or no? 113 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:38.480 I think that's a beautiful question, and I think that 114 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:42.120 while it's while it's totally impossible to answer, I'm sure 115 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:46.399 there are individual employees a lot of these big tech 116 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:49.839 companies who who might care deeply about users and who 117 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:51.800 you know, want to make the world a better place. 118 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:55.920 But I think that it's important as users of technology 119 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:59.040 to remember that these companies are motivated by profit. And 120 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.560 you know, for example, well at Facebook, you know that 121 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:06.480 Zuckerberg's you know, famous line with move fast and break things, 122 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:10.439 and as in Facebook's history as a company, you know, 123 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:12.199 we've seen to get in again that they tend to 124 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:16.399 fix problems after they've come up and discover problems after 125 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:20.399 something horrible has happened, right, because they've scaled so profoundly, 126 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.480 so quickly. So I think that I think that it's 127 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:29.360 an interesting question because really, while we feel it really acutely, right, 128 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:30.920 you get locked out of your account, you're like, man, 129 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.839 Facebook doesn't even care about me, because it's word to 130 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:35.399 remember that, like, right. 131 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:35.680 They didn't. 132 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:37.560 They didn't care about you when you were in your 133 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:40.800 account either, But now you're feeling I. 134 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.920 Think there's the solution is for Congress to take away 135 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:47.120 that three twenty, that section three twenty protection from Facebook. 136 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:51.879 That'll get their attention, that'll get the owners of Facebook's, 137 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:55.240 the people who run Facebook's attention they have. They have 138 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.199 a very protected realm. They can do whatever the hell 139 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.800 they want, and they going to be immune from from 140 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:05.959 all sorts of lawsuits. One of the few institutions in 141 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.560 this country that is immune from any form of legal action, 142 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.480 legal recourse. I think. 143 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:15.720 I was going to say, for anyone who's not familiar 144 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:17.639 with section two thirty, it just means. 145 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:19.920 That thirty I misspoke. I meant to say two thirty 146 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:20.480 I misspoke. 147 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.120 I pull, Oh, you're fine. Yeah, Like it just makes 148 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.120 these companies, you know, they don't have legal liability for 149 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:29.040 what their users post. And there have been instances where 150 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:33.840 hackers have you know, posted, have posted you know, sex 151 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:38.159 abuse material, have have you know, gone on to spread 152 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:42.919 scams and fraud, and so that that happens as lower 153 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.200 hackers get their hands on accounts and go on to 154 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:46.320 post harmful stuff. 155 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.240 Every everything that is new is not necessarily good. I 156 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.519 think that's that's the rule of thumb, and Facebook would 157 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:57.000 be exhibit a in that in that category, Hunt Tatum, 158 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:59.879 I really enjoyed our conversation. I'm delighted that there are 159 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:01.879 people like you out there who know a lot about 160 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.039 this stuff than I do. And I hope that I'm 161 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.960 very serious. I hope that your work will basically mobilize 162 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:13.399 people to say get to their members of Congress and say, hey, 163 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:17.960 do something about this. You know you this is one 164 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:21.639 thing that Congress could actually have an impact on if 165 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.480 they wanted to. But I don't think this the lobbyist Facebook. 166 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:28.799 Lobbyists have too much money and too much influence. Tatum, 167 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:30.639 thanks so much for joining us. Love to have you back. 168 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:31.720 I enjoyed the conversation. 169 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:34.799 Thanks for having me, You're very welcome. 170 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:39.200 When we get back, they say every dog has its day. Well, 171 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:42.440 today is the day for every dog. It is National 172 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:45.639 Dog Day. I'm going to talk with Aurora Velasquez about 173 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:48.879 how we can celebrate National Dog Day back on nights 174 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:53.159 out after this. Now back to Dan Ray Live from 175 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:58.519 the Window World Nice Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio. Well, 176 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.080 as I mentioned before, there's an old saying that every 177 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:04.639 dog has its day. Well, every dog has a day today, 178 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:08.919 It's National Dog Day. There are five ways to make 179 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:12.559 a difference in the lives of our canine companions and 180 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:16.399 helped to make Massachusetts totally a no kill state. With 181 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.279 me is Aurora Velasquez, the director of the Eastern Region 182 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:25.240 for Best Friends Animal Society. I love dogs, Aurora. Let 183 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:27.399 me tell you, all dogs, all cats, all pets go 184 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.320 to Heaven. How are you tonight, I'm great. 185 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:31.159 Thank you for having me. 186 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:34.240 That's how I end my show. My son has a 187 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:36.279 Shorky who I spent a lot of the weekend with 188 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:41.679 part Shorky, a Shorky, part Shitsu in part Yorky. My 189 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:45.840 daughter has a beautiful, beautiful Corgie that she adopted from 190 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:50.320 an animal shelter just about a year ago, and I 191 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.519 was once the proud and happy owner of I think 192 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:55.679 the best breed of all and that is a Cavalier 193 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:59.759 King Charles Spaniel. So what's going on? What can we 194 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:05.440 do to help make Massachusetts a state where all dogs 195 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.960 who are in shelters are allowed to prosper and find 196 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:10.080 it a forever home. 197 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:11.120 Yeah? 198 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:16.279 I love that question, especially today, So Best Friends Animal Society. 199 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.039 You know, our goal is to help the whole country 200 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:21.399 get to Nokie, and we want to see that happen 201 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:25.639 in twenty twenty five. The great news about Massachusetts is 202 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:30.240 you guys are almost there, and there are a couple 203 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:34.120 of really easy ways to get there. Get a ninety 204 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.879 percent savorate, which is how we define no kill. You know, 205 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:42.240 one of the most obvious, I think adoption. You know, 206 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:45.399 there are always people looking to bring new animals into 207 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.879 their home, and we want them to think adoption first. 208 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:50.480 You may have to go to the shelter a couple 209 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:53.240 of times, but new animals are coming in all the time. 210 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:57.440 You absolutely can find the exact pet that you're looking for, 211 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:01.720 or you may find one that surprises you. For folks 212 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.279 who aren't ready to adopt. You know, maybe that commitment 213 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:08.120 just isn't in the cards for them. Fostering is another 214 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:12.720 great option. Gives the animal break from the shelter. Shelters 215 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:16.320 can be really stressful and gives you, you know, a 216 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.159 cuddle buddy for the weekend or a hiking partner to 217 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:22.039 get you up off the couch and out into the world. 218 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:25.639 Yeah. Well that's what my daughter did. She actually went 219 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.879 to the Situate animal shelter. She was looking for a corgy, 220 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:34.279 and uh, I never realized what what what a lovable dog? 221 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:39.879 Mustard the corky his it's just incredible or these are great? Yeah, 222 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:42.639 I never realized it. I always thought of them as 223 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:45.440 kind of be Queen Elizabeth's dog or something, and they 224 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:48.480 would have to follow a few paces behind the queen 225 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.440 or something. But oh, Jess wants to play. And when 226 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:54.960 he sees you come downstairs in the morning, he howls 227 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.399 with delight. I mean he literally howls with delight. It's 228 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:02.399 it's that's sweet, amazing sound. And he wants to keep 229 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:06.399 as many people in the room. If someone leaves the room, 230 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:10.519 they have a hurting instinct. He will go get that 231 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:13.039 person and kind of force them back into the room. 232 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:19.320 It's amazingly an amazing dog, but all dogs are amazing 233 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:23.080 and I just think the work that you're doing is 234 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:27.919 so important. Also, you know, in some of our states 235 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:33.360 to our south, unfortunately there's a lot of pets who 236 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:36.200 are abandoned for some reason. I don't know why it 237 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:41.360 happens that way, but there's always new dogs and I'm 238 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.679 not so sure about cats, but new dogs coming up 239 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:49.759 from the south. Why is that? Why is it that 240 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:54.799 so many strays? Is it the weather that allows them 241 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:57.480 to survive down there that they couldn't survive in New England? 242 00:13:57.480 --> 00:13:59.799 What's the what's the backstory on that? If you can 243 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:00.440 tell the. 244 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:03.600 Weather certainly plays a part in it. You know, the 245 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:08.639 laws of nature. Animals reproduce when the weather is nice 246 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:12.639 and warm, and you know, are going to help young, 247 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:16.000 fragile animals survive. So certainly areas of the country where 248 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.759 a bit more temperate and they don't have the cold winters, 249 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:24.240 we definitely see more animals, you know, born into the community. 250 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:27.480 But also, you know, not every part of the country 251 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:31.679 is as fortunate as the northeast when it comes to 252 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:37.799 resources and industry. You know, there's a long history in 253 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:43.960 the northeastern part of the United States of business and agriculture, 254 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:47.240 and you know, just a whole host of resources that 255 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:53.120 really help communities be prosperous and not impacts not only 256 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:57.279 people but animals as well. You know, there's accessible veterinary care, 257 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:59.720 animals are spaded and neutered at higher rates than the 258 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:03.480 North Feast, and so all of those things really have 259 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:09.759 created a situation where New England is a little bit 260 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.080 ahead of many many other parts of the country. And 261 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:17.039 what's remarkable about that is, as you said, now part 262 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.440 of the country is lending a hand to other areas 263 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:24.480 that aren't as fortunate. We do see dogs and cats, 264 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:29.879 you know, transported into the New England area because sometimes 265 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:32.879 there are homes that can't find the exact right animal 266 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:36.559 they're looking for, but maybe a shelter in Alabama has them, 267 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:38.840 and so getting them over there and getting that dog 268 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:39.919 or cat into a home. 269 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:42.919 So how can folks get in touch with your organization, 270 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:47.960 Best Friends Animal Society and what can they do to help? 271 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:52.320 So everything goes through our website best Friends dot Org. 272 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.720 One thing that I love to recommend to people when 273 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:59.919 visiting our website is checking out our life saving dashboard 274 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.559 and that can give you everything from a national overview 275 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:08.279 of you know, what's happening in animal welfare across the country. 276 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:12.600 But then folks can also zoom into their state, their counties, 277 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:16.679 their community and see what's going on at the local shelters, 278 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.960 and you know, maybe you know, somebody sees a local 279 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.960 shelter that could use a hand, and maybe they decide 280 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.440 to volunteer and go in and walk some dogs or 281 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.159 donate some supplies, you know, soft beds and treats. So 282 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.399 it really can help folks not only have the big picture, 283 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.440 but understand and get involved locally, which is so important. 284 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.399 Sounds great, Aurora, Thank you so much, Thank you so 285 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:42.720 much for what you do. Thanks for joining us tonight 286 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.639 and keep us posted whenever you need to talk about 287 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:49.240 this issue. Or we are all ears here on nightside. 288 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:51.679 Trust me, we're all animal lovers here on nightside. 289 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:54.480 Sounds great. Thank you so much, very welcome. 290 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:56.559 And again, if you have a dog, or if it's 291 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:58.440 not too late, there's still three and a half hours 292 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:00.960 left in National Dog Day, him an extra give him 293 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:04.480 or her an extra treat, maybe a hug. Let us 294 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.279 sleep in the bed tonight. Whatever it is, Whatever it is, 295 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:09.880 making a special day for your dog, and I guess 296 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:11.400 you can do it for your cat as well, even 297 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.799 though it is National dog damn sure, there's a National 298 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:17.279 cat Day. Now. On the other side of the news break, 299 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:20.599 which is coming up, we'll be talking about a Boston 300 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:26.119 Celtics themed corn maze. Corn Maze is a big deal 301 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.079 and we got one coming up as we get into 302 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.279 the corn growing season and we get into the fall, 303 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:35.559 So this is one you may want to mark down 304 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:39.279 on your calendar. We'll explain it all right here on WBZ, 305 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:42.200 Boston's News Radio. By the way, you're listening to WBZ, 306 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:44.279 if you're listening to us in a car somewhere, or 307 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.000 you picked us up on your your radio at home 308 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.799 ten thirty in the am, I'll walk us in. And 309 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:54.079 if you can't pick us up for some whatever reason, 310 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.480 or you happen to be listening tonight and you can't 311 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:00.400 pick us up at home, you can always just go 312 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.400 to our iHeart radio app. It's free and you can 313 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.079 listen to WBZ News Radio, Boston's News Radio. My name's 314 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:11.640 Dan Ray. This is Nightside. We'll be back right after 315 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:13.759 these news break and a couple of messages. 316 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:20.279 Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm Boston's news radio. 317 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:24.880 All right, it's getting two of that season. Labor Day 318 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:27.480 is that week away, okay, just just a week from 319 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:29.119 today as a matter of fact, and all of us, 320 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:31.759 of course, none of us are really happy about the 321 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:34.279 passing of summer, but there's nothing we can do about it. 322 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.839 But one of the great things about summertime in New 323 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:39.599 England is you can get out, go to some area farms, 324 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:42.839 pick some apples, or get lost in a corn maze. 325 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:48.200 Joining us is Sabrina Lamb. She's a Boston Globe correspondent. Sabrina, 326 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:49.799 Welcome to Nightside. How are you tonight? 327 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:52.759 I'm doing very well. How are you doing? 328 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:56.160 You're just great. You wrote an interesting piece which we 329 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.799 saw in the Boston Globe about a Boston celt esteemed 330 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:04.000 corn maze up at Kimball Farm in Havevir. I think 331 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.799 most people know about Kimball Farm. They've done this corn 332 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:13.000 maze project for some time now. Tell us a little 333 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:15.200 bit of the history of it, and tell us, obviously, 334 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:19.279 there's good reason to pick the Celtics for corn maze 335 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:24.200 this this year. They just won title number eighteen. 336 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:30.319 Yeah, so you're exactly right. They did pick this year 337 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:32.880 to do a Celtics steamed corn maze in light of 338 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:37.480 the eighteenth championship win. The owner, Tyler Kimball, and his 339 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:39.440 wife are very big fans of the Celtics, and I've 340 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.880 never done a Celtics themed corn maze, so they thought, 341 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:44.880 why not do it this year? And I know their 342 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:48.960 farm has been doing custom design corn maze since nineteen 343 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.680 ninety nine, so this will be their twenty fourth annual 344 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:55.200 custom maize. And they're very excited about this year because 345 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:58.440 it's not only personal to them because they're such big fans, 346 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:00.319 but you know a lot of people in Boston also 347 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:03.799 love the Celtics, so they're excited to bring that to 348 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:04.359 the community. 349 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:06.880 So I have never been to a corn maze. I 350 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:08.440 have a friend of mine who got lost in a 351 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:13.559 corn maze once. Uh, it's a fun experience. Have you 352 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:16.759 ever done a corn maze yourself? You're up to I 353 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:19.039 have no idea how high the coin is at this point, 354 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:21.519 but I assume it's starting to get up up there 355 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:23.119 by the end of August. Correct. 356 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:28.440 Yes, I've heard that it's very high. Unfortunately, I've never 357 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:30.559 done a corn maze, which is surprising because I've done 358 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:34.799 all the other fall festivities like pumpkin patches and state 359 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:37.839 fairs and stuff, but never a corn maze. So I 360 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:40.559 guess this one would be a good opportunity to go 361 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:41.519 to my first one. 362 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:47.839 Now, tell as I understand it, there's a cost to participate, 363 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:50.440 both for adults and kids that I think to some 364 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:54.240 break for active duty military personnel, which is great. So 365 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:58.400 it takes a lot of effort to create this corn maze. 366 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:00.880 Anyone who has seen the people the picture in the 367 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:04.680 globe tell us what the area of view shows. Besides eighteen, 368 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:11.519 they also have Lucky the lepre call in the from 369 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.359 obviously ten thousand feet or five thousand feet. What do 370 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:14.759 you say? 371 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:20.359 Yeah, So that aerial picture was taken a little bit 372 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:22.160 ago and put it on Facebook, and that's how the 373 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.000 globe actually found the farm and the corn maze. So 374 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:30.799 I spoke to Tyler. He said that the whole corn 375 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.160 maze is dedicated to different Celtics little themes. So there's 376 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:38.000 obviously the huge Lucky the Leprechaun on the right, and 377 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:40.759 in the center is the number eighteen kind of over 378 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:44.480 like a three leaf shamrock, obviously for their eighteen championship. 379 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.200 Underneath it is a horseshoe just just to represent like 380 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:51.079 a lucky horseshoe, and then on the right is a 381 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:57.559 long cursive just kimbal farm. And I believe they received 382 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:01.559 help from another Missouri based company actually called Precision Mases 383 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:04.920 to help them create the design and plant it all out. 384 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:07.480 And I know they planted the corn in June and 385 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:09.720 it took them around two to three days to have 386 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:12.720 everything kind of fully mowed in, so. 387 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:15.960 They basically cut it out and all of that. And 388 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:19.799 how many did you get a sense from them, since 389 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:22.359 they've been doing this for nearly a quarter century, how 390 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.599 many people will venture up to haveoral to walk through 391 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:30.319 whatever themed corn maze they have developed any year? Is 392 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:32.519 I assume it's a pretty big attraction. 393 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.160 Yeah, yeah, I think that from my knowledge, it is 394 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:40.920 a pretty big attraction for them because people in the 395 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:44.680 area and just people Massachusetts in general, there's a big 396 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:48.119 thing with just very fun family funding false festivities. So 397 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:50.359 I know that also since this is like a very 398 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:53.799 long running the thing they do, that it's been pretty 399 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:56.960 well received. But I know that this year specifically, they've 400 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:01.359 seen an even bigger amount of people really being interested 401 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:03.640