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Speaker 2: And ironically, Jansen was also the last batter in today's
Speaker 2: game in the bottom of the ninth for the Red
Speaker 2: Sox when he struck out and the game ended. So
Speaker 2: he was the last batter for the Blue Jays when
Speaker 2: the game was suspended, and the last batter tonight when
Speaker 2: the game ended a couple of months later. Pretty weird,
Speaker 2: one of those weird things in the world. My name's
Speaker 2: Dan Ray. I'm not weird. No no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: I'm your talk show host. I am your voice of reason,
Speaker 2: the guy who holds forth here Monday through Friday night
Speaker 2: from eight until midnight, was along with Rob Brooks, who
Speaker 2: was back in the control room getting set for all
Speaker 2: of your phone calls, which will only begin after the
Speaker 2: nine o'clock a newscast, because during this hour we talked
Speaker 2: to four newsmakers, four people who have done a story
Speaker 2: that might be of interest to you. I hope they'll
Speaker 2: all be of interest to you. Coming up tonight at
Speaker 2: nine o'clock, we'll be talking with the Auditor the State
Speaker 2: Order of the Commwealth of Massachusetts, the Honorable Diana Desaglio.
Speaker 2: She's just released an auditor of the Massachusetts Convention Center
Speaker 2: Authority that drew a lot of attention discovering disturbing and
Speaker 2: unlawful practices. Also going to talk about her push to
Speaker 2: be in a non disclosure agreements in state government, as
Speaker 2: well as a ballot question next November, which I'm supporting
Speaker 2: and I hope all of you are as well, which
Speaker 2: would give her as the state auditor, the right to
Speaker 2: audit the state legislature. All of these issues, by the way,
Speaker 2: I kind of all intertwined. We'll explain that, and then
Speaker 2: later on tonight will Donald Trump and the Vice President
Speaker 2: of the United States, Vice President Kamala Harris ever debate.
Speaker 2: They're debating now whether they're going to debate on September
Speaker 2: tenth on ABC. But before we get to all of
Speaker 2: that a little bit later on, let's get to the
Speaker 2: matter at he end. We're going to talk with Tatum
Speaker 2: Hunter about the seemingly impossible, totally impossible task of recovering
Speaker 2: your Facebook account if somehow, some way you either are
Speaker 2: locked out by a hacker or you inadvertently lock yourself
Speaker 2: out by not remembering your password. Tatum Hunter, Washington Post
Speaker 2: Technical Technology reporter. Welcome, Tatum, How are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing good. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: How difficult is it to get back into your Facebook account?
Speaker 2: I find Facebook a complete enigma. I mean, it's a
Speaker 2: mystery wrapped in an enigma. I have no idea. It's
Speaker 2: like a Gordian knot why we even do it. God
Speaker 2: only knows why this is easier than becoming an astronaut
Speaker 2: or becoming the president of the United States. I think.
Speaker 3: You might be right. I found that once people lose
Speaker 3: access to that Facebook account, they're shocked by the way
Speaker 3: that they're kind of dumped into this, you know, healthscape
Speaker 3: of not being able to get support, not being able
Speaker 3: to get answers, and not being able to get back in.
Speaker 2: So it's sort of like a modern day purgatory. You
Speaker 2: don't know, you can't get to heaven and you can't
Speaker 2: I mean, it's well, maybe it's a hell of sort. Seriously,
Speaker 2: why does Facebook make this so impossible? There's no way
Speaker 2: to contact anyone. I wish I had Zuckerberg's number and
Speaker 2: I'd call them directly. And Quesse, it's no longer even Facebook.
Speaker 2: What do they call it now? Metta?
Speaker 3: Yeah, metas metas the umbrella you know company and then
Speaker 3: you've got the app Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp inside of there,
Speaker 3: and you know it's I'm glad you mentioned it because
Speaker 3: I've found this to be true for Instagram as well,
Speaker 3: that when people get locked out of their accounts, they
Speaker 3: really really struggle to recover them. And that's because it
Speaker 3: seems from the outside like Meta dedicates a starting start,
Speaker 3: startlingly low number of resources to this problem. And part
Speaker 3: of that might be because the easier you make account recovery,
Speaker 3: the easier it becomes for hackers to take advantage of
Speaker 3: that process. So making it hard to get into accounts
Speaker 3: can be a good thing because it like keeps our
Speaker 3: accounts safe. But then also they seem to kind of,
Speaker 3: you know, not have employees enough employees dedicated to this,
Speaker 3: to helping people, given that you know, millions and millions
Speaker 3: of people have Facebook accounts and it's actually for a
Speaker 3: lot of people this huge part of our lives where
Speaker 3: we're coordinating work or childcare or other other important things.
Speaker 2: Do they actually care at all? Honesty? I mean you
Speaker 2: you really immersed yourself in this. I don't think they care.
Speaker 2: I really don't.
Speaker 3: I think that you know, Facebook's real customers are advertisers. Right,
Speaker 3: it's free to use if you're like you and me.
Speaker 3: So you know, the people that are really beholden to
Speaker 3: are the people paying money and that, and that's not
Speaker 3: you and me. So I think that for them, the
Speaker 3: cost of helping people with account recovery might be higher
Speaker 3: than the cost of just losing a user here and
Speaker 3: there and just kind of letting them, letting them languish.
Speaker 3: But another problem arises because you know, somebody ends up
Speaker 3: doing network and too often it's organizations like the Identity
Speaker 3: Theft Resource Center, like the Federal Trade Commission kind of fielding,
Speaker 3: and people like me in my inbox fielding these questions
Speaker 3: about how to get back into a Facebook account because
Speaker 3: the company itself doesn't seem to be helping.
Speaker 2: So is there any sort of I hate to bring
Speaker 2: up the whole question of morality because I think that
Speaker 2: we're not a particularly moral nation at this point. I
Speaker 2: think everybody wants to get what they can get. Does
Speaker 2: Facebook feel any sort of like moral obligation to the
Speaker 2: people who they have accepted as members? I mean, people
Speaker 2: have wedding pictures and babies pictures and important information on
Speaker 2: their Facebook account. Don't and you have too you know,
Speaker 2: two factor authentication, which is readily available. I mean, they
Speaker 2: couldn't come up with a system which would allow them
Speaker 2: to figure out first. And of course the most immoral
Speaker 2: people of all are the hackers. You know, who's whose
Speaker 2: idea of getting kicks and jolly's as opposed going out
Speaker 2: and interacting with people, is to just hack into people's
Speaker 2: accounts from the from the basements of their mother's home.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so frustrating, and it's just so frustrating,
Speaker 2: and you must be even more frustrated having gone through this.
Speaker 2: Is there any morality involved in this at all? Or no?
Speaker 3: I think that's a beautiful question, and I think that
Speaker 3: while it's while it's totally impossible to answer, I'm sure
Speaker 3: there are individual employees a lot of these big tech
Speaker 3: companies who who might care deeply about users and who
Speaker 3: you know, want to make the world a better place.
Speaker 3: But I think that it's important as users of technology
Speaker 3: to remember that these companies are motivated by profit. And
Speaker 3: you know, for example, well at Facebook, you know that
Speaker 3: Zuckerberg's you know, famous line with move fast and break things,
Speaker 3: and as in Facebook's history as a company, you know,
Speaker 3: we've seen to get in again that they tend to
Speaker 3: fix problems after they've come up and discover problems after
Speaker 3: something horrible has happened, right, because they've scaled so profoundly,
Speaker 3: so quickly. So I think that I think that it's
Speaker 3: an interesting question because really, while we feel it really acutely, right,
Speaker 3: you get locked out of your account, you're like, man,
Speaker 3: Facebook doesn't even care about me, because it's word to
Speaker 3: remember that, like, right.
Speaker 1: They didn't.
Speaker 3: They didn't care about you when you were in your
Speaker 3: account either, But now you're feeling I.
Speaker 2: Think there's the solution is for Congress to take away
Speaker 2: that three twenty, that section three twenty protection from Facebook.
Speaker 2: That'll get their attention, that'll get the owners of Facebook's,
Speaker 2: the people who run Facebook's attention they have. They have
Speaker 2: a very protected realm. They can do whatever the hell
Speaker 2: they want, and they going to be immune from from
Speaker 2: all sorts of lawsuits. One of the few institutions in
Speaker 2: this country that is immune from any form of legal action,
Speaker 2: legal recourse. I think.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, for anyone who's not familiar
Speaker 3: with section two thirty, it just means.
Speaker 2: That thirty I misspoke. I meant to say two thirty
Speaker 2: I misspoke.
Speaker 3: I pull, Oh, you're fine. Yeah, Like it just makes
Speaker 3: these companies, you know, they don't have legal liability for
Speaker 3: what their users post. And there have been instances where
Speaker 3: hackers have you know, posted, have posted you know, sex
Speaker 3: abuse material, have have you know, gone on to spread
Speaker 3: scams and fraud, and so that that happens as lower
Speaker 3: hackers get their hands on accounts and go on to
Speaker 3: post harmful stuff.
Speaker 2: Every everything that is new is not necessarily good. I
Speaker 2: think that's that's the rule of thumb, and Facebook would
Speaker 2: be exhibit a in that in that category, Hunt Tatum,
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed our conversation. I'm delighted that there are
Speaker 2: people like you out there who know a lot about
Speaker 2: this stuff than I do. And I hope that I'm
Speaker 2: very serious. I hope that your work will basically mobilize
Speaker 2: people to say get to their members of Congress and say, hey,
Speaker 2: do something about this. You know you this is one
Speaker 2: thing that Congress could actually have an impact on if
Speaker 2: they wanted to. But I don't think this the lobbyist Facebook.
Speaker 2: Lobbyists have too much money and too much influence. Tatum,
Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us. Love to have you back.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the conversation.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, You're very welcome.
Speaker 2: When we get back, they say every dog has its day. Well,
Speaker 2: today is the day for every dog. It is National
Speaker 2: Dog Day. I'm going to talk with Aurora Velasquez about
Speaker 2: how we can celebrate National Dog Day back on nights
Speaker 2: out after this. Now back to Dan Ray Live from
Speaker 2: the Window World Nice Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio. Well,
Speaker 2: as I mentioned before, there's an old saying that every
Speaker 2: dog has its day. Well, every dog has a day today,
Speaker 2: It's National Dog Day. There are five ways to make
Speaker 2: a difference in the lives of our canine companions and
Speaker 2: helped to make Massachusetts totally a no kill state. With
Speaker 2: me is Aurora Velasquez, the director of the Eastern Region
Speaker 2: for Best Friends Animal Society. I love dogs, Aurora. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you, all dogs, all cats, all pets go
Speaker 2: to Heaven. How are you tonight, I'm great.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: That's how I end my show. My son has a
Speaker 2: Shorky who I spent a lot of the weekend with
Speaker 2: part Shorky, a Shorky, part Shitsu in part Yorky. My
Speaker 2: daughter has a beautiful, beautiful Corgie that she adopted from
Speaker 2: an animal shelter just about a year ago, and I
Speaker 2: was once the proud and happy owner of I think
Speaker 2: the best breed of all and that is a Cavalier
Speaker 2: King Charles Spaniel. So what's going on? What can we
Speaker 2: do to help make Massachusetts a state where all dogs
Speaker 2: who are in shelters are allowed to prosper and find
Speaker 2: it a forever home.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I love that question, especially today, So Best Friends Animal Society.
Speaker 4: You know, our goal is to help the whole country
Speaker 4: get to Nokie, and we want to see that happen
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five. The great news about Massachusetts is
Speaker 4: you guys are almost there, and there are a couple
Speaker 4: of really easy ways to get there. Get a ninety
Speaker 4: percent savorate, which is how we define no kill. You know,
Speaker 4: one of the most obvious, I think adoption. You know,
Speaker 4: there are always people looking to bring new animals into
Speaker 4: their home, and we want them to think adoption first.
Speaker 4: You may have to go to the shelter a couple
Speaker 4: of times, but new animals are coming in all the time.
Speaker 4: You absolutely can find the exact pet that you're looking for,
Speaker 4: or you may find one that surprises you. For folks
Speaker 4: who aren't ready to adopt. You know, maybe that commitment
Speaker 4: just isn't in the cards for them. Fostering is another
Speaker 4: great option. Gives the animal break from the shelter. Shelters
Speaker 4: can be really stressful and gives you, you know, a
Speaker 4: cuddle buddy for the weekend or a hiking partner to
Speaker 4: get you up off the couch and out into the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's what my daughter did. She actually went
Speaker 2: to the Situate animal shelter. She was looking for a corgy,
Speaker 2: and uh, I never realized what what what a lovable dog?
Speaker 2: Mustard the corky his it's just incredible or these are great? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I never realized it. I always thought of them as
Speaker 2: kind of be Queen Elizabeth's dog or something, and they
Speaker 2: would have to follow a few paces behind the queen
Speaker 2: or something. But oh, Jess wants to play. And when
Speaker 2: he sees you come downstairs in the morning, he howls
Speaker 2: with delight. I mean he literally howls with delight. It's
Speaker 2: it's that's sweet, amazing sound. And he wants to keep
Speaker 2: as many people in the room. If someone leaves the room,
Speaker 2: they have a hurting instinct. He will go get that
Speaker 2: person and kind of force them back into the room.
Speaker 2: It's amazingly an amazing dog, but all dogs are amazing
Speaker 2: and I just think the work that you're doing is
Speaker 2: so important. Also, you know, in some of our states
Speaker 2: to our south, unfortunately there's a lot of pets who
Speaker 2: are abandoned for some reason. I don't know why it
Speaker 2: happens that way, but there's always new dogs and I'm
Speaker 2: not so sure about cats, but new dogs coming up
Speaker 2: from the south. Why is that? Why is it that
Speaker 2: so many strays? Is it the weather that allows them
Speaker 2: to survive down there that they couldn't survive in New England?
Speaker 2: What's the what's the backstory on that? If you can
Speaker 2: tell the.
Speaker 4: Weather certainly plays a part in it. You know, the
Speaker 4: laws of nature. Animals reproduce when the weather is nice
Speaker 4: and warm, and you know, are going to help young,
Speaker 4: fragile animals survive. So certainly areas of the country where
Speaker 4: a bit more temperate and they don't have the cold winters,
Speaker 4: we definitely see more animals, you know, born into the community.
Speaker 4: But also, you know, not every part of the country
Speaker 4: is as fortunate as the northeast when it comes to
Speaker 4: resources and industry. You know, there's a long history in
Speaker 4: the northeastern part of the United States of business and agriculture,
Speaker 4: and you know, just a whole host of resources that
Speaker 4: really help communities be prosperous and not impacts not only
Speaker 4: people but animals as well. You know, there's accessible veterinary care,
Speaker 4: animals are spaded and neutered at higher rates than the
Speaker 4: North Feast, and so all of those things really have
Speaker 4: created a situation where New England is a little bit
Speaker 4: ahead of many many other parts of the country. And
Speaker 4: what's remarkable about that is, as you said, now part
Speaker 4: of the country is lending a hand to other areas
Speaker 4: that aren't as fortunate. We do see dogs and cats,
Speaker 4: you know, transported into the New England area because sometimes
Speaker 4: there are homes that can't find the exact right animal
Speaker 4: they're looking for, but maybe a shelter in Alabama has them,
Speaker 4: and so getting them over there and getting that dog
Speaker 4: or cat into a home.
Speaker 2: So how can folks get in touch with your organization,
Speaker 2: Best Friends Animal Society and what can they do to help?
Speaker 4: So everything goes through our website best Friends dot Org.
Speaker 4: One thing that I love to recommend to people when
Speaker 4: visiting our website is checking out our life saving dashboard
Speaker 4: and that can give you everything from a national overview
Speaker 4: of you know, what's happening in animal welfare across the country.
Speaker 4: But then folks can also zoom into their state, their counties,
Speaker 4: their community and see what's going on at the local shelters,
Speaker 4: and you know, maybe you know, somebody sees a local
Speaker 4: shelter that could use a hand, and maybe they decide
Speaker 4: to volunteer and go in and walk some dogs or
Speaker 4: donate some supplies, you know, soft beds and treats. So
Speaker 4: it really can help folks not only have the big picture,
Speaker 4: but understand and get involved locally, which is so important.
Speaker 2: Sounds great, Aurora, Thank you so much, Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for what you do. Thanks for joining us tonight
Speaker 2: and keep us posted whenever you need to talk about
Speaker 2: this issue. Or we are all ears here on nightside.
Speaker 2: Trust me, we're all animal lovers here on nightside.
Speaker 4: Sounds great. Thank you so much, very welcome.
Speaker 2: And again, if you have a dog, or if it's
Speaker 2: not too late, there's still three and a half hours
Speaker 2: left in National Dog Day, him an extra give him
Speaker 2: or her an extra treat, maybe a hug. Let us
Speaker 2: sleep in the bed tonight. Whatever it is, Whatever it is,
Speaker 2: making a special day for your dog, and I guess
Speaker 2: you can do it for your cat as well, even
Speaker 2: though it is National dog damn sure, there's a National
Speaker 2: cat Day. Now. On the other side of the news break,
Speaker 2: which is coming up, we'll be talking about a Boston
Speaker 2: Celtics themed corn maze. Corn Maze is a big deal
Speaker 2: and we got one coming up as we get into
Speaker 2: the corn growing season and we get into the fall,
Speaker 2: So this is one you may want to mark down
Speaker 2: on your calendar. We'll explain it all right here on WBZ,
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Speaker 2: All right, it's getting two of that season. Labor Day
Speaker 2: is that week away, okay, just just a week from
Speaker 2: today as a matter of fact, and all of us,
Speaker 2: of course, none of us are really happy about the
Speaker 2: passing of summer, but there's nothing we can do about it.
Speaker 2: But one of the great things about summertime in New
Speaker 2: England is you can get out, go to some area farms,
Speaker 2: pick some apples, or get lost in a corn maze.
Speaker 2: Joining us is Sabrina Lamb. She's a Boston Globe correspondent. Sabrina,
Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. How are you tonight?
Speaker 1: I'm doing very well. How are you doing?
Speaker 2: You're just great. You wrote an interesting piece which we
Speaker 2: saw in the Boston Globe about a Boston celt esteemed
Speaker 2: corn maze up at Kimball Farm in Havevir. I think
Speaker 2: most people know about Kimball Farm. They've done this corn
Speaker 2: maze project for some time now. Tell us a little
Speaker 2: bit of the history of it, and tell us, obviously,
Speaker 2: there's good reason to pick the Celtics for corn maze
Speaker 2: this this year. They just won title number eighteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're exactly right. They did pick this year
Speaker 1: to do a Celtics steamed corn maze in light of
Speaker 1: the eighteenth championship win. The owner, Tyler Kimball, and his
Speaker 1: wife are very big fans of the Celtics, and I've
Speaker 1: never done a Celtics themed corn maze, so they thought,
Speaker 1: why not do it this year? And I know their
Speaker 1: farm has been doing custom design corn maze since nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine, so this will be their twenty fourth annual
Speaker 1: custom maize. And they're very excited about this year because
Speaker 1: it's not only personal to them because they're such big fans,
Speaker 1: but you know a lot of people in Boston also
Speaker 1: love the Celtics, so they're excited to bring that to
Speaker 1: the community.
Speaker 2: So I have never been to a corn maze. I
Speaker 2: have a friend of mine who got lost in a
Speaker 2: corn maze once. Uh, it's a fun experience. Have you
Speaker 2: ever done a corn maze yourself? You're up to I
Speaker 2: have no idea how high the coin is at this point,
Speaker 2: but I assume it's starting to get up up there
Speaker 2: by the end of August. Correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've heard that it's very high. Unfortunately, I've never
Speaker 1: done a corn maze, which is surprising because I've done
Speaker 1: all the other fall festivities like pumpkin patches and state
Speaker 1: fairs and stuff, but never a corn maze. So I
Speaker 1: guess this one would be a good opportunity to go
Speaker 1: to my first one.
Speaker 2: Now, tell as I understand it, there's a cost to participate,
Speaker 2: both for adults and kids that I think to some
Speaker 2: break for active duty military personnel, which is great. So
Speaker 2: it takes a lot of effort to create this corn maze.
Speaker 2: Anyone who has seen the people the picture in the
Speaker 2: globe tell us what the area of view shows. Besides eighteen,
Speaker 2: they also have Lucky the lepre call in the from
Speaker 2: obviously ten thousand feet or five thousand feet. What do
Speaker 2: you say?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that aerial picture was taken a little bit
Speaker 1: ago and put it on Facebook, and that's how the
Speaker 1: globe actually found the farm and the corn maze. So
Speaker 1: I spoke to Tyler. He said that the whole corn
Speaker 1: maze is dedicated to different Celtics little themes. So there's
Speaker 1: obviously the huge Lucky the Leprechaun on the right, and
Speaker 1: in the center is the number eighteen kind of over
Speaker 1: like a three leaf shamrock, obviously for their eighteen championship.
Speaker 1: Underneath it is a horseshoe just just to represent like
Speaker 1: a lucky horseshoe, and then on the right is a
Speaker 1: long cursive just kimbal farm. And I believe they received
Speaker 1: help from another Missouri based company actually called Precision Mases
Speaker 1: to help them create the design and plant it all out.
Speaker 1: And I know they planted the corn in June and
Speaker 1: it took them around two to three days to have
Speaker 1: everything kind of fully mowed in, so.
Speaker 2: They basically cut it out and all of that. And
Speaker 2: how many did you get a sense from them, since
Speaker 2: they've been doing this for nearly a quarter century, how
Speaker 2: many people will venture up to haveoral to walk through
Speaker 2: whatever themed corn maze they have developed any year? Is
Speaker 2: I assume it's a pretty big attraction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that from my knowledge, it is
Speaker 1: a pretty big attraction for them because people in the
Speaker 1: area and just people Massachusetts in general, there's a big
Speaker 1: thing with just very fun family funding false festivities. So
Speaker 1: I know that also since this is like a very
Speaker 1: long running the thing they do, that it's been pretty
Speaker 1: well received. But I know that this year specifically, they've
Speaker 1: seen an even bigger amount of people really being interested
Speaker 1: in the corn maze and their best guess is that
Speaker 1: you know at CEL sixteen, then people in Boston and
Speaker 1: people in Massachusetts are just very, very passionate about their
Speaker 1: sports teams.
Speaker 2: So did they give you some idea when you when
Speaker 2: you did the story as to how many people they
Speaker 2: might expect this year or any any estimates?
Speaker 1: No exact number. Unfortunately I did not get an exact number.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I was hoping maybe for an estimate. I
Speaker 2: assume that to do something of this complexity, it's not
Speaker 2: something It's not like someone mowing their back lawn on
Speaker 2: a half an acre and putting some of this. This
Speaker 2: is a huge project. It's it's it's there's a charge
Speaker 2: associated with going to it. I think, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: you did describe that in the Global article. What's what
Speaker 2: are the costs? It's it's not outrageously expensive, right.
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say so. I think, let me check.
Speaker 1: It's fifteen dollars for adults, and then the four children
Speaker 1: who are at thirteen and under it's eleven dollars, and
Speaker 1: then there's an additional five dollars discounts for veterans and
Speaker 1: active duty.
Speaker 2: So you can kind of just get lost in the
Speaker 2: corn maze and meet other people and wear your Celtics
Speaker 2: jerseys or whatever, and think about how good is going
Speaker 2: to be when they win in nineteenth title next year.
Speaker 2: And I think they have a pretty good shot at
Speaker 2: it because this team has stayed together, and I assume
Speaker 2: that at the farm there's probably some apple grooves and
Speaker 2: other things that people can participate. It sounds like it
Speaker 2: could be a great day Saturday or Sunday for the
Speaker 2: entire family, great family entertainments.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: All right, Sabrina, thanks very much for having joined us.
Speaker 2: We will follow this along and it'll be interesting. Maybe
Speaker 2: we'll have Tyler Kimball come on as we get a
Speaker 2: little closer to the day and he could answer some
Speaker 2: of those questions about how many They must have some
Speaker 2: idea about how many people will be going up there.
Speaker 2: I bet you they expect big crowds this year. So
Speaker 2: when when is it open? Now, by the way, that's
Speaker 2: that's my last question. Is it available this weekend? If
Speaker 2: people are anytime this week? Is? It's all set up
Speaker 2: right at this.
Speaker 1: Point, so not just yet next weekend, not this upcoming
Speaker 1: weekend Labor day?
Speaker 2: Okay, so at the weekend after Labor Day. Glad I
Speaker 2: asked that question, I would have had people Nightside listeners
Speaker 2: heading to Haveril to no Avail. It's always the question
Speaker 2: you almost don't ask, Sabrina. That is the most important
Speaker 2: of all. Thanks for hanging with me. Appreciated, Sabrina. We'll
Speaker 2: talk again, Okay.
Speaker 1: Thanks, yes, of course, thanks.
Speaker 2: All right, when we get back, our final guest tonight
Speaker 2: is going to talk about a very interesting phenomenon in
Speaker 2: the next thirty years. The population of Americans living to
Speaker 2: the age of one hundred and beyond. The centenarian population
Speaker 2: is projected to quadruple over the next thirty years. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk with Katerina Schaefer, a research analyst at
Speaker 2: the Pew Research Center, Great Research Center. When we get
Speaker 2: back here on Nightside, stay with us. My name's Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: This is Nightside. We're going to be talking with State
Speaker 2: Auditor Diana Desauglia about a number of issues she is
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Speaker 2: we'll talk to her right after the nine and we
Speaker 2: will talk about one of the chances you know, some
Speaker 2: of you and my audience might actually live to one
Speaker 2: hundred or more. Hey, it's it's going to be happening
Speaker 2: to some of you. Stay with us. We'll tell you
Speaker 2: what your shots, what your chances are. Now back to
Speaker 2: Dan ray Line from the Window World.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you're listening to Nightside, then I have some
Speaker 2: good news for you. The chances that you might live
Speaker 2: to one hundred are much better than the chances of
Speaker 2: your forebears. Your ancestors with us is Catherine, who's written
Speaker 2: incorrectly when I introduced her earlier. It's Katherine Schaeffer. She's
Speaker 2: a research analyst for the Pew Research Center. And Catherine,
Speaker 2: this is I guess one of your areas of expertise.
Speaker 2: How are you tonight? Right?
Speaker 5: How are you?
Speaker 2: Dan? Doing just fine? Doing just fine? Here? And look,
Speaker 2: everybody thinks, oh, you know, how long will I live?
Speaker 2: And now it looks like according to your research, our
Speaker 2: sentitinarian population will quadruple over the next thirty years. What's
Speaker 2: going on? I assume there's a number of factors that
Speaker 2: are at play here.
Speaker 5: Yes, that is true. And I will say although the
Speaker 5: number of centenarians is growing and will continue to grow.
Speaker 5: It still is fairly unusual for folks to live to
Speaker 5: be one hundred. In the United States. Right now, there
Speaker 5: are only about one hundred and one thousand people who
Speaker 5: are one hundred years or older, according to the Census Bureau.
Speaker 5: So maybe a small, mid size city is worth Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Boston has a population about seven hundred thousand
Speaker 2: at night. During the day because of all the people
Speaker 2: coming in here becomes a much more active metropolitan area.
Speaker 2: So it'd be about one seventh of Boston's you know,
Speaker 2: maybe the size of Worcester or Providence, Rhode Island. But
Speaker 2: it's still a lot of people. I think. I read
Speaker 2: recently that the oldest living I think it was the
Speaker 2: oldest living American passed away last week at the age
Speaker 2: of one hundred and seventeen. We're just not built for
Speaker 2: that sort of longevity. Why is it increasing? Is it
Speaker 2: simply that as our population, and particularly baby boomers, start
Speaker 2: to age. I mean, you have this here that it's
Speaker 2: going to triple in the next few years and quadruple
Speaker 2: over the next thirty years. I guess that would include
Speaker 2: a lot of baby boomers in that category.
Speaker 5: It is true, so US population sixty five and older
Speaker 5: in general is going to grow quite a bit over
Speaker 5: the next thirty years, and as a subset of that
Speaker 5: folks who are one hundred years or older. There are
Speaker 5: several reasons for the numbers growing. My analysis didn't look
Speaker 5: too much of those specific reasons, but a lot of
Speaker 5: other researchers have weighed in on the topic, and just
Speaker 5: in general, in the US and around the world, life
Speaker 5: expectancies are increasing, and that's in part to just that
Speaker 5: we have better medical care right than past generations did,
Speaker 5: so people are able to live longer, healthier lives.
Speaker 2: I would also think that probably, and again I'm not
Speaker 2: a researcher here, but I would think that we o
Speaker 2: living in a society in a world when our jobs
Speaker 2: there were fewer of the dangerous jobs. I mean people
Speaker 2: used to There was a when we were an agricultural
Speaker 2: society that a lot of people who are working on
Speaker 2: the farm, and you you, when you're working with heavy
Speaker 2: equipment and a mistake is made, it can be very costly.
Speaker 2: Whereas if you're working as a CPA or you know,
Speaker 2: a tax tax attorney, there's other than maybe you know,
Speaker 2: stubbing stubbing your toe on your desk. I'm assuming that
Speaker 2: is as this, as we have evolved as a society
Speaker 2: from agrarian agricultural to where we are today, that has
Speaker 2: to be a factor as well. I'm assuming.
Speaker 5: You know, it could well be. Like I said, my
Speaker 5: research didn't look too much at that. But I also
Speaker 5: imagine that, like I said, the healthcare aspect of it
Speaker 5: helps too. Rite So if you stub your toe, you're
Speaker 5: less likely to need to get it amputated.
Speaker 2: I would think, oh, yes, I definitely would think so,
Speaker 2: but that that would be sort of the problem that
Speaker 2: people in white collar jobs would face. So also, the
Speaker 2: thing that is interesting to me that this year you
Speaker 2: mentioned that we have about one hundred thousand centurians centerarians.
Speaker 2: I should see sent ten aarians. Centenarians seventy eight seventy
Speaker 2: eight percent women, twenty two percent men. So did your
Speaker 2: research look at that factor at all or no?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is an interesting, interesting trend. So we know
Speaker 5: that women in general, pretty much anywhere you look in
Speaker 5: the world have longer life expectancies than men do, and
Speaker 5: there are a bunch of reasons for this, but this
Speaker 5: is kind of what you're seeing with this group of centenarians, right,
Speaker 5: because it's such a small portion of the population already.
Speaker 5: So any trend that is playing out in the wider population,
Speaker 5: you're going to see magnified here with this group of
Speaker 5: aging adults.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we do see so over the next thirty years,
Speaker 5: we do see that men are going to make up
Speaker 5: a slightly larger percentage of the hundred plus population, but
Speaker 5: they'll still only be about a third. Women will far
Speaker 5: outnumber them even still.
Speaker 2: But there's no reason for that that we know of,
Speaker 2: other than maybe what women are more intelligent and take
Speaker 2: better care of themselves than men. I'm still trying to
Speaker 2: figure that out out. I think it has.
Speaker 5: I think it has. Like I said, not my my
Speaker 5: area of expertise, so there's much more reading that your
Speaker 5: listeners can do. But it does have something to do
Speaker 5: with like with body physiology you mentioned the very physical
Speaker 5: jobs before. Just typically men are more likely to be
Speaker 5: doing a very physical, laborious job. It's really hard on
Speaker 5: the body than women. And there are other factors too.
Speaker 5: But like I said, anywhere you look in the world,
Speaker 5: women have a longer life expectancy than men.
Speaker 2: Now, is this something that you have studied and gone
Speaker 2: to school for I'm just curious, or at pure research
Speaker 2: is a topic assigned to you? I mean, you've been
Speaker 2: in a pure research for a while. How do you
Speaker 2: get to study this subject, which obviously is a very
Speaker 2: interesting subject? Is everyone hopes to live a full life.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious. Is it something that you guys have
Speaker 2: a luck of the drawer or you actually decide, Hey,
Speaker 2: that's something I'm interested in. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So my background prior to Pew Research Center is I
Speaker 5: was a journalist and I studied or I've covered public education,
Speaker 5: so also studied it. So that's kind of my area
Speaker 5: of expertise. And a very cool thing about my job
Speaker 5: at Pere Research Center is on my team where like
Speaker 5: the data journalism division of Pere Research Center, So I
Speaker 5: get to cover a little bit of everything as long
Speaker 5: as there is a news angle that I can pitch
Speaker 5: to my boss. So I work with a lot of
Speaker 5: census data and that's something that we really It's like
Speaker 5: a button, bread and butter type of data source for
Speaker 5: us because there's just so much that speaks to American
Speaker 5: life and you can tie pretty much everything that Americans
Speaker 5: are experiencing any news story. There's there's some census data
Speaker 5: that's going to tell you how are Americans living that so,
Speaker 5: and as you mentioned, there's always a news story about
Speaker 5: someone who has lived to one hundred, someone who has
Speaker 5: is studying longevity, and so that was kind of the
Speaker 5: idea here was you know, we're hearing more about this,
Speaker 5: but how common is it really?
Speaker 2: Now? Yeah, what your job is is this journalist and
Speaker 2: trying to get to the bottom of it and figure out, Okay,
Speaker 2: this you might you might identify the trend. But then
Speaker 2: some of the questions that I've been asking you, because
Speaker 2: I'm a journalist too, I'm always trying to figure out, well,
Speaker 2: why it's always that there's another question why, Like the
Speaker 2: little two year old kid who's who always asks why
Speaker 2: why is the sky blow? Well let's why why? Why? Why? Uh?
Speaker 2: And And clearly this is an area that that is
Speaker 2: of interest to all of us. It's pure research. Still
Speaker 2: you still guys done in Washington for the most part.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we are based in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: It's a great organization. It's it's a great organization and
Speaker 2: I follow it fairly closely. And again, if this is
Speaker 2: just the perfect type story to look at and realize
Speaker 2: that that as our lives go by, very few of
Speaker 2: us will meet that we make this milestone. But all
Speaker 2: of us are fascinated, and all of us wonder, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: at some point in there in their own lives lives,
Speaker 2: how long will I live? And will I live to
Speaker 2: be one hundred? And the bad news is that the chances,
Speaker 2: the odds are not in favor of it. Folks don't
Speaker 2: don't plan on it. So anyway, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed talking to you, Catherine, and anything you
Speaker 2: have on a few research that you ever want to
Speaker 2: let us know about, we'd appreciate it, okay, because we'd
Speaker 2: love to have you back.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, thank you so much, Dan, and I'd
Speaker 5: be happy to come on the air anytime. So thank
Speaker 5: you a call and enjoying the rest of your evening.
Speaker 2: Will do that. I just have three more hours to
Speaker 2: do on the radio, so you can enjoy the rest
Speaker 2: of reading. I'm still working. Thanks much, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: When we get back, when I talk with the State
Speaker 2: Arnor of the Comwalth in Massachusetts, one of our constitutionally
Speaker 2: elected offices officers, and Diana Desauglia has she I think
Speaker 2: is the most active state auditor in the history of
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth. And she is breaking barriers and she's she
Speaker 2: is someone who is not accepting of conventional wisdom. Let
Speaker 2: me put it like that. She's going to be remembered
Speaker 2: as a great state auditor because of her initiatives, and
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan. We will talk with the auditor
Speaker 2: right after the nine o'clock news on Nightside