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Speaker 1: Six point thirty f fifty five KRC the talk station. Well,
Speaker 1: I'd say happy Wednesday, but I don't feel like saying
Speaker 1: happy Wednesday. I woke all actually yesterday I got a
Speaker 1: text message from my little bird friend Westside Jim Keefer,
Speaker 1: the FOP, the Fraternal Order Police Chapter sixty nine represented
Speaker 1: the SINCINNTI Police Department have endorsed Greg Landsman and Denise Treehouse.
Speaker 1: Made my jaw drop open. I'm gonna go and there's
Speaker 1: no way I'm being lied to. FOP President Ken Kobra,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Morning show and a very happy Wednesday
Speaker 1: to you. What in the wide wide world of sports
Speaker 1: is it going on here, my friend?
Speaker 3: Good morning, Brian. Yes, it's been an interested in twenty
Speaker 3: four hours to say the least. So when they do
Speaker 3: these endorsements, yeah, this committee has made up of a
Speaker 3: diverse group of people from active retired officers, different political feelings.
Speaker 3: Their job and what they're charged with is to decide
Speaker 3: who to endorse based off of what best furthers the
Speaker 3: mission of the FOP, not necessarily their personal feelings, but
Speaker 3: what have these candidates, what have they done for the
Speaker 3: FOP or what have they said that they're willing to do?
Speaker 3: And Greg Landsman's case, we all know you during twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: he certainly came out and was no front of the
Speaker 3: police right since he's been elected, Since he's been elected,
Speaker 3: he has brought back, most recently one point seven million
Speaker 3: dollars to upgrade the camera system for Cincinnati for the
Speaker 3: downtown area. Greg Lansman signed on to every bill that
Speaker 3: the FOP has asked him to in a national platform.
Speaker 1: Is that federal dollars that you're referring to? Yes, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So he had to bring federal dollars in to fix
Speaker 1: a problem the city of Cincinnati is responsible for, and
Speaker 1: that's maintaining its own stuff and things. Am I right
Speaker 1: on that particular point?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, be correct. Okay, So I my tax dollars
Speaker 1: paid for the money that he brought back because we
Speaker 1: are neglecting the store here in the city. Correct, Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm sorry. I just want to make sure
Speaker 1: all was clear.
Speaker 3: On that, right. So, and this is what I encourage
Speaker 3: everybody to do. And I was at a meeting last
Speaker 3: night this was brought up, and I said the same thing.
Speaker 3: When we do these endorsements, they said, these endorsements are
Speaker 3: who we believe best works with the FOP, not necessarily
Speaker 3: us personally. What I encourage everybody to do, anyway, is
Speaker 3: completely vet these candidates, you know, just because they have
Speaker 3: an FOP endorsement. They may not be the candidate for you.
Speaker 3: They may not be the candidate for some FOP members,
Speaker 3: and that's fine. The problem that we have in this
Speaker 3: country is that people are not fully vetting the candidates
Speaker 3: that they're voting for, whether it's their party line voting,
Speaker 3: or they're just saying, look, the FOP endorses them, I'm
Speaker 3: going to vote for them, or you know, the IFF
Speaker 3: or the fl c IO, I'm just going to vote
Speaker 3: for him because that's who they're endorsed by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the presumption is everybody the presumption I think, yes, Cannon,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry interrupt, but that the endorsements suggest that the
Speaker 1: candidate that received the endorsement is tough or strong on
Speaker 1: law enforcement and tough on crime. It's the job of
Speaker 1: the police department to arrest bad people, lock him up,
Speaker 1: and let the prosecutor do her job here in the
Speaker 1: Hamilton County. And that's why I at some point we
Speaker 1: need to pivot over to why in the hell do
Speaker 1: they endorse dree House over Hamilt County. Melissa prosecuted Melissa Powers,
Speaker 1: who is very tough on crime.
Speaker 3: Then Melissa Powers was endorsed.
Speaker 1: You did endorse Melissa powers.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, great, Okay, I'm sorry I misspoke, but an
Speaker 1: East Tree House Camp County commissioner, right right.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, and I'm not on this committee,
Speaker 3: even though obviously being the president. But that one, I
Speaker 3: have no idea that was out of the head.
Speaker 1: You can't point to you can't point to a paycheck
Speaker 1: or a money that got infused into the sins Anty
Speaker 1: Police apartment through Denise street House. So you just it's
Speaker 1: a mystery endorsement. Appreciate your candor.
Speaker 3: On that one. Yeah, that one, that one to me,
Speaker 3: Like I said, I I have I don't know why
Speaker 3: she was endorsed. I knew, I do know she was
Speaker 3: the only county commissioner that showed up for the endorsement process.
Speaker 3: But as far as why she was endorsed, that's something
Speaker 3: I haven't I haven't talked to the committee about why.
Speaker 3: But you know, getting back to real quick, the law
Speaker 3: and order people. You look at all of the people
Speaker 3: that were h endorsed for judges, those are all people
Speaker 3: that you're absolutely right, are tough on law. They're tough
Speaker 3: on crime, law and order, which is exactly what we
Speaker 3: look for in judges when we endorse them. When we
Speaker 3: look at politicians, it's more about what is the mission
Speaker 3: of the FOP as far as collective bargaining, you know,
Speaker 3: bills that they've signed off on, you know previously, things
Speaker 3: like that for incumbents.
Speaker 2: But I I get it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's said, it's been a rough twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: A lot of people are very passionate about politics, which
Speaker 3: is fantastic. But what I encourages everybody to be actually
Speaker 3: informed about what's going on with politics.
Speaker 1: God, I wish more people were informed. That's like a
Speaker 1: dream of mine. Can that people paid attention to politics,
Speaker 1: what they're what they're elected officials stood for, what they're
Speaker 1: doing for us, you know, or not at real time.
Speaker 1: You know, weed dwellers like me who just spend their
Speaker 1: time in immersed in politics all the time. I think
Speaker 1: of more people immerse themselves in politics in a regular basis,
Speaker 1: we'd all have much better elected officials. Sadly, we don't
Speaker 1: live in that world.
Speaker 3: Oh you're you're absolutely right. I wish I wish the same.
Speaker 3: That's why I encourage everybody listen, please please fully vet
Speaker 3: all of these people and make sure that they are
Speaker 3: the best candidate for you. They're the ones that are
Speaker 3: gonna best. They're gonna make your life the best. And
Speaker 3: you know, whatever part of the city or county you
Speaker 3: live in.
Speaker 1: Jeez, can what can I hold you over and ask
Speaker 1: you about this? I saw you got interviewed by Channel
Speaker 1: nineteen regarding testing for marijuana with a new detection tool. Yeah, great,
Speaker 1: because weed is now legal in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of get your reaction to that, what issues
Speaker 1: you might be facing along those lines since we've had
Speaker 1: medical in the state now for some time. But the
Speaker 1: detection tool is what I'm really worried about, are concerned
Speaker 1: about given the current status of Ohio law, which sucks
Speaker 1: in terms of whether you're not you're really truly impaired
Speaker 1: or not. But hold on more with FLP President Kan
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Speaker 1: hell is Tim Watas? In the meantime, I know who
Speaker 1: came Cober is the president of the FOP Chapter sixty
Speaker 1: nine represent the Sinnt Police Department, And they just came
Speaker 1: out with their endorsements, and real quick here before we
Speaker 1: pivot over to the marijuana testing, why no sheriff endorsement?
Speaker 3: So the bottom line is, if that committee does not
Speaker 3: reach a fifty one percent threshold, then they don't endorse anybody.
Speaker 3: I know that there was a lot of discussion that
Speaker 3: was had about who they wanted to endorse and whether
Speaker 3: they were going to endorse anybody. In the bottom line
Speaker 3: is they couldn't come to an agreement, so we endorse nobody.
Speaker 1: I find that a little troubling in and of itself. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: I can see politically speaking, if you don't endorse the
Speaker 1: current sheriff and the current sheriff remains in office, that
Speaker 1: it might rub people the wrong way, and it might
Speaker 1: hurt the relationship between the sincint Police Department and the
Speaker 1: Hamilt County Sheriff's Department. I'd like to think cooler heads
Speaker 1: would prevail in the name of protecting the community. But
Speaker 1: we'll just let that one lie there again and your
Speaker 1: answer on that one, Ken, hate to put you in
Speaker 1: a corner, but that's the reality of where we stand
Speaker 1: right now. Moving over to marijuana. It's legal in Ohio.
Speaker 1: Standing around the corner waiting to buy it, Ken, I
Speaker 1: guess everybody's really happy about legalized weed. But you can't
Speaker 1: get high and drive. But detecting people who are high
Speaker 1: behind the wheel is a lot more difficult than it
Speaker 1: is for people who are drunk. You got a breathalyzer.
Speaker 1: It tests the actual alcohol volume. And to my litigation
Speaker 1: friends out there who do defenses of OBI, I know
Speaker 1: all the problems associated with the breathalyzer test. Don't get
Speaker 1: me going, but it does provide in most cases an
Speaker 1: accurate level of alcohol. Under Ohio law, if you are
Speaker 1: over point zero eight percent, you are considered legally drunk.
Speaker 1: Whether or not you can walk a straight line or not,
Speaker 1: you're considered impaired. What about weed, it's virtually impossible to
Speaker 1: detect for weed unless you're staggering all over the place
Speaker 1: with the sort of a field sobriety test. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't always work, does it.
Speaker 3: No, it certainly doesn't. You With the two testing that
Speaker 3: they have, you know, it becomes a lot less intrusive.
Speaker 3: You know, if you have somebody that you believes under
Speaker 3: the influence of you know, whether it's a recreational drug
Speaker 3: or a prescription drug, you really only have two options
Speaker 3: to determine whether or not they're impaired under what the
Speaker 3: state law says as a per se level, and the
Speaker 3: only way to do that is take them to the
Speaker 3: hospital and get their blood or ask them to pie
Speaker 3: in a cup, you know. So what the state representatives
Speaker 3: they're trying to do is give us a third option,
Speaker 3: which is basically a mouth swab that then they can
Speaker 3: send off to a lab and within twenty four hours
Speaker 3: they'll have the results. And it's not just the results
Speaker 3: of the metabolite. Under this testing system that's used I
Speaker 3: think in twenty four states currently Michigan being the closest
Speaker 3: one to us, this will actually give you the amount
Speaker 3: of the parent gene of what is in that person's
Speaker 3: system at.
Speaker 1: That time the actual THHC level.
Speaker 3: Yes, so they do it tests for other drugs, not
Speaker 3: just marijuana.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now during that twenty four hour period, because one
Speaker 1: of my listeners asked, well, what do they do they
Speaker 1: take your car away from you? Well, I mean, are
Speaker 1: you what's the status while that test that you're waiting
Speaker 1: around for it to come back. What does the police
Speaker 1: officer do with the person whose mouth they swabbed.
Speaker 3: Well, in order to be able to test somebody for
Speaker 3: you know, whether it's whether it's a urine test, a
Speaker 3: breath test, a blood test, they have to already be
Speaker 3: under arrest. So under under the law for ov I,
Speaker 3: there is an A one A section which is the
Speaker 3: officers observations and their experience and their training says that
Speaker 3: you are too impaired to be driving, so you're already
Speaker 3: going to be arrested. And then what the test does
Speaker 3: is it confirms what the officers suspicions are now having done.
Speaker 3: Ov i's a long long time ago. In my career,
Speaker 3: we have had instances, and I've had them myself where
Speaker 3: you'll have someone who is not a quote unquote experienced
Speaker 3: drinker who could be falling down drunk throwing up all
Speaker 3: over themselves trying to drive a car and do field tests.
Speaker 3: They can't stand straight, they can't walk straight, and then
Speaker 3: you go in and you test them and they're under
Speaker 3: the legal limits. That. Yeah, does that mean that they're
Speaker 3: not impaired to be driving, Well, absolutely not. All it
Speaker 3: says is they're under the per se level. And you,
Speaker 3: I mean, officers routinely get convictions still without them being
Speaker 3: over what the per se level is.
Speaker 1: Right, And unfortunately, now all this is documented on video.
Speaker 1: You've got video camera evidence confirming what the officers observe.
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with that, but it's essentially a probable cause level.
Speaker 1: There has to be some evidence of impairment before they
Speaker 1: can haul you in and get you a blood test
Speaker 1: or urine test or alternatively in this case, there has
Speaker 1: to be probable cause that they can even swab you
Speaker 1: or get a urine test from you. Right, you have
Speaker 1: to demonstrably be demonstrably impaired.
Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah, it's not like you just swab them and go, hey,
Speaker 3: we'll call.
Speaker 1: You in exactly, okay, And I think that's a legitimate
Speaker 1: concern among the members of the community, like, well, what
Speaker 1: are they You're just gonna around swabbing everybody they pull over. No,
Speaker 1: you have been pulled over for an offence weaving or
Speaker 1: a wreck or whatever the case may be. That's the
Speaker 1: predicate to determine whether you're impaired. And then if you
Speaker 1: are determined to be impaired on the scene based upon observations,
Speaker 1: then the follow up takes place. I appreciate that absolutely well.
Speaker 1: You know the state of Ohian, you probably know all
Speaker 1: about this ken having done it so often. Currently they
Speaker 1: do a blood test for this. But if you smoked
Speaker 1: a joint two weeks ago, or sometimes even a month ago,
Speaker 1: the broken down version of THHG that is in your body,
Speaker 1: it shows that you've smoked weed, but it does not
Speaker 1: mean you are impaired. Nonetheless, in the law in the
Speaker 1: state of Ohio, the law says you can still be
Speaker 1: convicted of OBI just because it's floating around in your body.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just find that to be absolutely outrageous.
Speaker 3: Now, I completely agree with you. They're gonna have to
Speaker 3: find out a way that they can test for at
Speaker 3: that moment, YO, are they impaired? Because you're absolutely right,
Speaker 3: you know, you could have somebody who clearly is not
Speaker 3: impaired that under the per se level currently would be
Speaker 3: considered impaired under the law, and that to me, you're
Speaker 3: absolutely right. Is it's absurd that that's where we're at. However,
Speaker 3: you also have to factor in, you know, if a
Speaker 3: policeman stops you and you smoked a joint two weeks ago,
Speaker 3: if you're not showing any signs of impairment, the likelihood
Speaker 3: of an officer getting you out of the car and going, hey,
Speaker 3: I need you to pee in this cup because I
Speaker 3: think you smoke weed two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: It's just not.
Speaker 1: Gonna happen, Okay, but it.
Speaker 3: Could, But you're absolutely right, it could.
Speaker 1: Well it could. Let's just say you are an idiot
Speaker 1: who goes around smoking weed in your car all the time.
Speaker 1: Your car has an odor inherent to the the regular
Speaker 1: smoking of weed in the car, but you're not impaired.
Speaker 1: If the office sticks his head in your window, he's
Speaker 1: gonna smell weed in there. That would provide a foundation
Speaker 1: to do the swab, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3: If they if they've developed probabill cause to be able
Speaker 3: to rescue for ov I, they could do to swap. Now,
Speaker 3: this is one the one time where I'll tell you
Speaker 3: that it could come up without even showing a sign
Speaker 3: of impairment. Would be routinely with serious and fatal crashes,
Speaker 3: are trafficking, it comes out because someone's been killed in
Speaker 3: an action, right, or they're critically injured. It's not uncommon
Speaker 3: for them to ask for voluntary samples. Yo. So you
Speaker 3: could be in your in you know, thinking you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm the victim of this crash, or I'm not
Speaker 3: at fault for this. You know I have nothing to hide. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give a voluntary sample because I know I
Speaker 3: didn't do anything wrong, right, And then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden they realize, ooh, I smoked weed a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago. So that's where this could potentially come into.
Speaker 1: Play, right, which I think probably your ov I lawyers
Speaker 1: who specialize in this, would recommend you not voluntarily do
Speaker 1: that if you have smoke weed in the at least
Speaker 1: somewhat recent past, probably not a good idea. I tell
Speaker 1: you what, Ken, it has been great having you on
Speaker 1: the show today, answering these questions and uh well satisfying
Speaker 1: our curiosity. Anyway. I appreciate your willingness to do so
Speaker 1: on short notice, and I thank you for all that
Speaker 1: you do. And we all, in spite of maybe one
Speaker 1: of the one or two of the endorsements, we all
Speaker 1: truly fully support the Cincinnati to the Police Department and
Speaker 1: law enforcement here on the fifty five Cares in the morning show.
Speaker 1: So God bless you, my friend. Keep up the good
Speaker 1: work and best of health.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks Brian, thanks for having me.
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