Speaker 1: This is Later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast
Speaker 1: More what You Hear weekday afternoons on the Drive.
Speaker 2: Mark Shulman is a monster drummer who's toward the world
Speaker 2: with some of the greatest rock and pop performers like
Speaker 2: Billy Idols share Stevie Nick's foreigner simple minds, and through
Speaker 2: all of his adventures and backstage antics, he's noticed some
Speaker 2: very character some very distinguishing things about all of them.
Speaker 2: They's put them all together in a book, The Attitude Equation.
Speaker 2: Rock Stars and all fields share their secret attitudes and
Speaker 2: Mark Shulman, it's great to have you on.
Speaker 3: WAI. What a pleasure. I love your energy. Man.
Speaker 2: Well, let's rock this. Yes, that's what it's all about,
Speaker 2: isn't it. I mean, like I think it was Norman
Speaker 2: Vincent Peel who said that enthusiasm and attitude make the difference.
Speaker 3: Absolutely well. Attitude is everything. Attitude is not only the
Speaker 3: foundation of what you do, it's the foundation of who
Speaker 3: you are. And attitude is the basic construct of everything
Speaker 3: in life. And here's the trick about attitude is that
Speaker 3: we can't control what happens for us most of the time,
Speaker 3: but at any point in your life. You have the
Speaker 3: power to change, control, or shift your attitude about what
Speaker 3: is happening to you, and that gives you leverage and power.
Speaker 3: And as your attitude is your point of view, it's
Speaker 3: where you're looking from. And you know what you're where
Speaker 3: you're looking from is critical. It's not what you see,
Speaker 3: it's not what you look at. It's what you see
Speaker 3: and perceive that determines your experience and your self perception.
Speaker 3: And here's what's crazy about attitude that most people don't
Speaker 3: know and why I wrote the book, and what the
Speaker 3: equation actually is is your attitude is what drives your behavior.
Speaker 3: I think about the power and leverage and that. So
Speaker 3: by shifting your attitude, you're shifting your behavior and your
Speaker 3: behaviors what drives the consequences their outcomes of your life.
Speaker 3: So by shifting your attitude, you're literally changing the outcomes
Speaker 3: of your life. And I've said on the stage for
Speaker 3: fourteen years with Pink, with Share, with Billy Idol, with
Speaker 3: Stevie Nicks, with Foreigner, and there's no accident to success.
Speaker 3: I've watched these amazingly powerful and successful people and how
Speaker 3: their attitudes have really shifted and created both their successes
Speaker 3: and their failures in this case obviously incredible successes. So
Speaker 3: I studied them, and then I also do these rock
Speaker 3: star performers in other fields. Everybody from Judd Apatoe, you
Speaker 3: know the wrote forty year old version and produced that,
Speaker 3: Howie Mandell, Ran Cardon, the business entrepreneur, Alex Benian who's
Speaker 3: the youngest best selling business author, Martina Nevertalova, and then
Speaker 3: obviously a bunch of drummers, some of my favorite drummers
Speaker 3: on the planet, and just ask them and had them
Speaker 3: tell me stories. What's so fun about the book is
Speaker 3: the book is all stories about how these top performers
Speaker 3: have used attitude and acknowledged that attitude is responsible for
Speaker 3: their successes and their failures. So it's not just my opinion,
Speaker 3: it's like you get to hear about all their cool
Speaker 3: stories and secrets. And then I had so much fun
Speaker 3: talking these people. I interviewed forty two people, So how
Speaker 3: lucky for.
Speaker 2: Me, right, The Attitude Equation is the book rock stars
Speaker 2: in all fields share their secret attitudes. Mark Schulman, who
Speaker 2: is a drummer in his own right. It must have
Speaker 2: taken a certain amount of attitude for you to put
Speaker 2: all this together. I mean, rock and roll in it's
Speaker 2: self has attitude.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, rock and roll is, as I said,
Speaker 3: you know where everything we are is based on attitude.
Speaker 3: And I can even tell some of my own stories
Speaker 3: about how I've had certain attitude shifts. Like an example,
Speaker 3: I auditioned for forder and I got the gig, and
Speaker 3: I found out that there was somebody else recording the
Speaker 3: album from a friend of mine. So I called up
Speaker 3: the manager and I said, well, what's going on, man, Althelm,
Speaker 3: I'm not doing the album. He said, well, the producer,
Speaker 3: Keith Forsy, doesn't know you. He's not comfortable. So he
Speaker 3: hired his own drummer. And most people would have backed off.
Speaker 3: I said, well, can I have his phone number? And
Speaker 3: I was shaking and I called him on the phone
Speaker 3: and I left him a message and I said, listen, Keith,
Speaker 3: I know you use this other great drummer, tel Bergman,
Speaker 3: but if you're ever in need of a drummer, give
Speaker 3: me a call. I'm on the phone. Three months later,
Speaker 3: because of that attitude shift that I had at that moment,
Speaker 3: he calls me. He said, you know I need a drummer.
Speaker 3: I'm recording a song for Beverly Hills Cop three, The
Speaker 3: Pointer Sisters. Can you come down? I said, of course
Speaker 3: I can, and I came down and I was on
Speaker 3: the spot and I played it on the first take,
Speaker 3: and from that point on, Keith started calling me. And
Speaker 3: Keith Forcey was the writer producer for Billy Idol for
Speaker 3: Simple Minds. And if you look at my background and
Speaker 3: my resume, you'll see that I played with Billy Idol
Speaker 3: in Simple Minds. And that's all because of that one call,
Speaker 3: that attitude that I had about Keith and just having
Speaker 3: the guts and the decision that hey, I've always had
Speaker 3: this philosophy about gigs and about work that someone's got
Speaker 3: to get the gig, it might as well be me.
Speaker 3: And I joke with people, I say, Keith Forcey bought
Speaker 3: my house.
Speaker 2: The Attitude Equation rock stars in all fields share their
Speaker 2: secret attitudes. Mark Schulman is the author of the book.
Speaker 2: He's also a drummer Energy. What role does energy play
Speaker 2: in attitude?
Speaker 3: Energy is everything because we can always there's a certain
Speaker 3: band control, but we can literally change our physiology. And
Speaker 3: that's what I do. If you're feeling low. I just
Speaker 3: did a video about this about looking at the swagger
Speaker 3: and even the posture of rock stars, and you can
Speaker 3: emulate that swagger and that posture. If you are feeling
Speaker 3: low or you're feeling like you don't have the energy,
Speaker 3: stand up straight, throw your shoulders back. And I believe
Speaker 3: that everybody has the rock star DNA. It's not just
Speaker 3: for the people on stage. You have your own stage,
Speaker 3: and you can do that rock star performance and assume
Speaker 3: that rock star point of view by literally having that swagger,
Speaker 3: by rocking different, by talking different, by deciding, and you
Speaker 3: truly make it decision. When you make a decision, you're
Speaker 3: cutting off all other possibilities and you're committing. If you
Speaker 3: commit to yourself and you commit to having this rock
Speaker 3: star type of attitude, you can take control. Your communication
Speaker 3: can be stronger, and as I said, your posture is stronger.
Speaker 3: So we have the ability at any point in time,
Speaker 3: we can't control what happens to us, but we always
Speaker 3: have the power to change, control or shift our attitudes.
Speaker 3: And the attitude is what drives your behavior. Now think
Speaker 3: about the power and that and your behavior is what
Speaker 3: determines the consequences of your life. That's a time's bigle
Speaker 3: will see. That is the attitude equation, and I interviewed
Speaker 3: all of these people about their successes and their failures
Speaker 3: based on attitude.
Speaker 2: And the attitude equations in all fields, sharing their secret
Speaker 2: attitudes and the author's Mark Schulmann. You enjoy what you do, definitely.
Speaker 2: We can hear that enthusiasm in your voice. I enjoy
Speaker 2: what I do to the point where you know, I
Speaker 2: can come into work and the power can be out
Speaker 2: and I'll still find something to do that I will
Speaker 2: enjoy or learn from it. How important is enjoying what
Speaker 2: you do? And if you don't enjoy what you do,
Speaker 2: how important is finding something you will enjoy doing.
Speaker 3: Well? Again, that's a decision. It's an attitude shift. Who
Speaker 3: do you want to be? You can choose who you
Speaker 3: are at any moment, and you can choose to focus
Speaker 3: on what isn't working, or you can choose to focus
Speaker 3: on what is working. And it's not just silly optimism.
Speaker 3: It's a choice. And by making that choice and again
Speaker 3: making that decision, meaning you cut off all other possibility
Speaker 3: making that commitment, you can find joy in anything. And
Speaker 3: that is the basic philosophy of the rock stars, because
Speaker 3: the rock stars live in the moment, It's about being
Speaker 3: thankful and looking at what can I find joy in
Speaker 3: right now? What is going on right now that is
Speaker 3: going to shift not only who I am, but then
Speaker 3: I'm going to be able to influence everybody else around me.
Speaker 3: And then you raise the sort of modus operendi, the
Speaker 3: attitude scale, so to speak, of everybody else. You have
Speaker 3: the power to influence not only yourself but everybody else.
Speaker 3: And that is huge because one of my philosophies is
Speaker 3: we're all.
Speaker 2: Here to be of service, and the attitude equation tells
Speaker 2: you more. The book is out now and Mark Schulman
Speaker 2: has written it. Rock stars in all fields share their
Speaker 2: secret attitudes and then you can too. We thank you
Speaker 2: for the Attitude, Mark Schulman, and for joining us today.
Speaker 3: Thank you Lee, what a pleasure man appreciate it.
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