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Speaker 1: I was born in Romania in a Christian family.

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Speaker 2: Fante Coosta, Panti Costa.

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Speaker 1: I was born in Romania in a Christian family.

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Speaker 2: Pante Coosta, Pantekosta.

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Speaker 3: That's how they have charge right now.

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Speaker 4: That's all about a charge.

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Speaker 5: We're about to have any church party in the baby too,

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that's what that's what they call the after party.

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Speaker 4: I never heard of the after party.

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Speaker 1: I was born in Romania in a Christian family.

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Speaker 2: Pante Coosta, Panti Costa.

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Speaker 1: I was born in Romania.

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Speaker 6: In a Christian family, Pante Coosta, Panti Costa.

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Speaker 3: About my.

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Speaker 4: My fresh hot kid, chet, how about my kiss on

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the first? Don't get wrong, I'm like some what I'm wrong?

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Speaker 3: This is a freaking weekend.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we better have charm.

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Speaker 1: I was Honor Romania in a Christian family.

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Speaker 6: Sandy Conta, sank Costa.

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Speaker 1: I was Honor Romania in a Christian family.

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Speaker 6: Sandy Contact, Sandy Contact.

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Speaker 3: That's what they I have charged right now.

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Speaker 7: I'm I was born in Romania in a Christian family,

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Santy Costa, Santi Costa.

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Speaker 1: I was Borner Romania in a Christian family, Fancy Costa.

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Speaker 4: Chanty Costa.

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Speaker 3: That's how they have charged right now.

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Speaker 5: That's how about a charge some we're about to have

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an eye like shut church party and the baby too.

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Speaker 4: That's what that's what.

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Speaker 3: They call an after party.

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Speaker 4: You'll ever heard of the after party? You know what

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I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: I was.

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Speaker 6: In a Christian family, fant Costa, San Costa.

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Speaker 1: I was born.

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Speaker 6: In a Christian family, Fancy Costa, Chanty Costa.

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Speaker 4: I put my keys Dug and Ship my fresh out

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of get you.

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Speaker 3: I put my kids Doug Ship on the.

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Speaker 6: First all.

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Speaker 3: Depend don't both get wrong. I'm like, so what I'm wrong?

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It's a freaking week.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we better have some charm.

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Speaker 1: I was owner Romania in a fish.

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Speaker 6: Family, Sandy Contact, Sandy Contact.

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Speaker 1: I was honored Romania in.

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Speaker 7: A flesh family, Sandy contact, Sandy Contact.

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Speaker 3: That's what they have charged.

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Speaker 4: Right now, and tell the mounty.

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Speaker 6: You find of in that.

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Speaker 4: What you're doing up there? Why are you scared? Why

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you running from them?

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Speaker 9: Re bab, you ran mom, bantro and from me.

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Speaker 4: Then till the mokey like the semil monkeys with the

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banannas between the trees hanging.

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Speaker 9: Down upside down, that's a smile. Then tell the monkey

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what you doing to me? Till it till a monkey

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till a macky.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, y'all ready for this, y'all ready for round two?

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Y'all having a lot of fun out there. Welcome back,

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chad nerds. It's almost time for an esotery Hollywood stream.

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If you would hit like and share, well, I soothe

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your ears with some of the classics.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 8: No no, no, no, no no no no.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 8: Equal rights for women, e goo right for women. I'm

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a rapper, that's a feminist. All these women's they got

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too much dist So here's some arguments in favor of feminism.

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I'm a feminist rapper.

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Speaker 3: Equal rights for all, yo, yo. Feminism fights.

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Speaker 10: It gets the discrimination and advocations for equal rights, opportunities

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and treatments regardless of judger. Women deserve equal rights and

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justice just like man. That's why I equally spray the club.

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Everybody gets one dollar. Let me hear your ho love.

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Speaker 4: It goes right for women. I'm a feminist rapper, yo.

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What was you saying?

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Speaker 10: Feminists ain't got no booties. That's a stereotype. Listen, this

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is a kind of beat that be coming out of

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the stereo. That type You thought that women could just

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type like a secretary hat. That's a stereotype, and that's racist.

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Equal right for women, Equal right for women. I'm a feminist,

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rubber a promote equality and fairness. Every woman needs to

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be at the height of four feet in five inches.

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Every woman should get the taos their feet's cut off.

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Equal hype for women. This is hype for women, Equal

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right for women. I'm a feminist challenging mo your stereo science.

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Y'all no feminism?

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Speaker 3: Well, so much for everybody wanted to come back from

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a movie stream. Welcome back, all two hundred of you.

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I guess no one watches movies anymore. I don't know.

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It's another world. It's a world where the internet has

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replaced movies, I suppose. I guess. I'm told that the

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kids don't have attention spans anymore. So perhaps that's also

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part of it. So to all of you beloved peeps

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in the audience, how many of y'all saw at least

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one or two of the movies on tonight's selection. Let

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me know what you saw. Did you see Black Phone?

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Did you see Pogonia? Did you see Eden? Tron Aries?

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Where y'all at tonight two hundred people is a lot? Well,

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I mean we'll hit I predict eventually we'll get up

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to about five hundred maybe, but it just doesn't. I

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also think that there might be something to things moving

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in a niche direction. I watched a lot of YouTube videos,

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and they talk about YouTube really being more of a

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niche thing. Now I don't know that's true. So basically

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nobody saw any of them except Begonia. Okay, A couple

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of people saw Tron. Okay, okay, okay, that's all good.

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Speaker 4: That's all good.

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Speaker 3: Y'all welcome here. Shout out to doctor Evo, who produced

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that super fat beat. When I listen to that beat,

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it's like, as she's clapping in my head, I'm like,

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oh I hear it as she's clapping in my head.

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Yes and yes, second work, but you're not going to

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see it unless you subscribe to my Instagram. All right,

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we got an interesting selection. I actually thought that pretty

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much all four of these were. Okay, I was entertained

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by all of these films. They're looking for.

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Speaker 4: Tron.

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Speaker 3: I know, I put Tron in one of these esthetic colorhoods.

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Maybe it's part two. I thought it was part one.

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Maybe it's part two. Because we are going to weep

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dive as we always do into the symbolisms. I watched

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day so I don't have to. But these are not

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Actually mic isn't horrible. It's if we have a mic

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problem that has to be Is the audio choppy again?

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Is that better? Yeah, somethings have to do the workaround.

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So I guess there's still issues with stream labs and MAC.

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It's not the mic. This is an expensive mic actually.

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Speaker 3: I guess the chop has returned. I don't know. You

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have to keep waiting for the nerds to put the

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codes in. So really, with tron aries, the problem was

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the writing. We'll get into that in the moment, because

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I had a lot of positives. The writing and the

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editing was weird and messed up. But Tron, let's go

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to Trent. I'm not gonna do Tront yet. But I'm

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trying to find I've written over a thousand pages on

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movies here it is, so I don't remember where where

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I covered where these movies are at in this vast

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encyclopedia of film symbolism. And I was thinking, too, you

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know the books are actually they're kind of like deep

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union archetypal analyses that you could learn symbolism from You

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could actually learn a pretty good approach to symbology in

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general by reading my trilogy. And you don't have to

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read all three. You don't have to start with one.

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All three of them stand alone. They're just organized differently.

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That one's kind of the big sort of blockbuster. Amongst

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these selections, we usually start with the lesser known, So

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the least known, though it has some of the biggest stars,

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so I think they were banking on a good story

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and a list cast to pull this film, and it

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was better than I expected. In fact, sometimes I'm thrown

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for a loop because I'm not watching a film expecting

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it to be something that you could decode and dissect.

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I did a podcast some months back where we covered

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William Golding's book Lord of the Flies and we compared

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it to the movie version with belt The Zarghetti, and

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then we did a analysis of other similar themes, like

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the show Lost in Mosquito Coast with Harrison Ford. In

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that episode of literary and film analysis, which again only

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ten thousand people will watch those twenty to thirty thousand

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people will watch the debates. So I don't know. Maybe

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I should have made niche channels. Maybe I'm just not

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allowed to have more than one stream in a day

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or something. Yo yo ho? Is that better? Hopefully we're

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better now. It's the orbs. It's the Orbs. Ask Spiro

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if he could fix Who the hell is Spiro? Dude?

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Spiro te agnew. Yeah. So it's a workaround. So whenever

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it gets choppy, I just have to do the work round.

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So Eden is, as we said in that vein of

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movies like The Village by Shamalama Dingdong, where can we

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erect and can we create a kind of a utopian society?

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eighteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds. We get a lot of

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similar types of ideas in the early nineteen hundreds, and

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even California became kind of a testing ground for weird

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utopian cults at the turn of the last century. So

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Eden is set in that context, and it's based on

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a supposed true story. I don't know how accurate the

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movie is to the actual people who wanted to go

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live on a desert island or actually the Galapagos Islands.

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But essentially this radical atheist almost you think at first

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Nietzschean character, right, you have Jude Law playing this sort

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of Nietzschean atheist uber minch guy who thinks he's going

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to establish not a community. And this is, I think,

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which is initially a unique take on this perspective, but

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just on his own. So he and his wife girlfriend decide, Okay,

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we're going to do this. We are going to middle

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state of nature. So it's kind of like Jean Jacques Rousseau.

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And he gets there and decides that he's going to

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have to pull his teeth up because apparently in the

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eighteen hundreds one of the big killers was dental infections,

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especially if you were living in the rough. So he's

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fully gumming it as out says he's gonna gum the

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New World Order. No dentures actually has these metal dentures

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that he wears in some some cases. But he apparently

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wrote these books as this atheist professor type Nietzschean figure, saying,

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I defy civilization. I'm going to pull my teeth out,

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go to a desert island, Glapagos Island, and live out

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my days there and prove that man is actually made

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for nature. And while in nature, I will discover the

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great truths of man. But it's it's cast fascinatingly in

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an extremely atheistic perspective. So right away he's one percent

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anti good and he's sort of like the neck beard

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of his time. All he wants to do is he

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tells everybody you got you gotta tell everybody betterr atheism.

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And his girlfriend wife, whatever she is. I guess they're

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not married, because as an atheist he would probably be

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in opposition to marriage. But she, I forget that blonde

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girl's name is. She plays the uh it's the blonde

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spy girl in the Mission Impossible series. She's a very

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attractive British chick. She is not fully on board with

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You can tell there's some tension between them. Well, fast

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forward to a few months. I guess after they've been

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there and they've kind of got their their little homestead

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going and lo and behold, here arrives Sydney Sweeney and

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her husband, and they have a young kid who's got

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some sort of asthma problem. So yes, the main the

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main character is literally like the archetype of a redditor,

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and they've decided that the only thing that will help

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their son is if they can find Jude Law the doctor,

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and get some advice from him and test out living

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on this island. If he can on this island, they

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might just try to stay there because they think that

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the child, from whatever asthma issues he has, is not

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going to make it. And initially Jude Law is not

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very happy. He envisioned this as that's the British chick.

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I couldn't think of her name. But he envisions this

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as just him and his wife or girlfriend, right, He

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doesn't want other people. This is not a bad movie.

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This is This is a pretty good movie. And again

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it's based on this real group of Germans who thought

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that they could go set up an atheist sort of

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you know, tiny island community on the Galapagos Islands. And

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this is going to tie in with Darwinism too, because

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this is around the time, right, maybe a little bit

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before this, that Darwin had gone and studied the various

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species that live on this island. The Sydney Sweeney baby

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is gonna have superpowers. Yeah. So after the doctor in

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Sidney Sweeney asking me the I forget what he is

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that Sidney Sweeney, the other guy arrived her husband suddenly.

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Then this purported baroness arrives and her steamboat pulls up

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drops her off. And this is played by Anna d Armis,

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who the rumors are by the way that she is

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dating Tom Coomb and Tom Coomb wants to marry her

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in space. So, I mean, shit is just getting insane, dude, right,

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So here comes her. Now we've got three couples on

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the island, but it turns out it's not a couple.

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She's in a throttle and perhaps even more than a

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because she just seems to actually add on and collect

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young dudes. So like, at first you see her in

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a dalliance with three dudes, and then later on you

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see like there's like five young dudes. It's like, where

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are her young dudes coming from? Because you don't actually

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see all these young dudes. Maybe you'd see him here

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at the beginning when the steamboat drops her off. But

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she has all these belongings and she claims that she

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is nobility, She's the baroness. And this made me think

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of the baroness. Dude. It's just like, are we going

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full g I Joe? Because she kind of looks like

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the baroness a little bit in some of the sequences. Right,

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She's got that, she's got that baroness vibe going with

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that crop tear, you know what I'm saying. She got

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that barrenness vibe going. I mean, is that not baroness? Tay?

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You look she that baron is bro damn. So notice

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right away we have some interesting class distinctions that appear.

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You've got the upper middle class successful professor Jude Law,

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professor of science man whatever he is, biologist. Then you've

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got the middle class Sidney Sweeney and her husband coming

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to save their child. And you've got the degenerate baroness

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who shows up with her open thrufle quadruple relationship that

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she's in, and quite quickly things begin to unravel. And

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the point of this movie is that even if you

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try to set up utopian societies and civilizations, even in

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the middle of nowhere, you will have the same problems

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as civilization because it just becomes a microcosm of civilization

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in general. You get people stealing, you get people lying,

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you get warfare. And the baroness shows up with quite

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a bit of psyops in her repertoire. She's very manipulative

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and she's very successful initially at manipulating everyone on the island.

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And she's got these documents to supposedly prove that she

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owns the island now the king of somewhere Austria, England,

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I don't remember who has granted her the title deed

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to the Galapagos Islands, and they all kind of believe her,

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but Sidney Sweeney, interestingly, is the only person that kind

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of doubts her, doesn't really think that she's a real baronet.

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And as things get worse and worse on the island,

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as they realize that civilization is re emerging. Like I said,

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it's very Rousseau, it's very Darwinian, and we'll see how

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that is in the moment. Eventually a group of filmmakers

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arrive and it's a powerful, wealthy Hollywood producer that shows

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up and he seems to know about Jude Law and

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Jude Law's plan to create this community on the island.

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Hence it's called Eden. The idea is we're not going

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to create the actual garden of Eden. We're going to

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create a humanistic, secular Eden. And just like Eden, when

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you have the fall Jude Law's atheistic, secular, Darwin based

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Eden will also fall to a woman, namely the baroness. Now,

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when we have the arrival of the American Hollywood man,

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he shows up, and he is the first to recognize,

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even perhaps the Ford Sidney Swieney, that Anna the Armis

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is not actually a baron she's not actually nobility. She's

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faking it. And the reason he knows is that as

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a Hollywood actor or excuse me, Hollywood a producer and director,

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he knows actors, and so he immediately recognizes that she's

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not authentically a baroness. She's an actress and she's a

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con woman. Now why is this in there, Well, it's

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not only a good villain character. It's also a statement

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perhaps on societies prior to modernity, Prior to Rousseau, prior

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to French Revolution, prior to Darwin, society was seen as

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a hierarchical structure. So you have kings, you have priests,

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you have nobility, aristocracy, upper class, et cetera, and then

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you have, you know, sort of the working class, and

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then you have the peasants in the poverty class, et cetera,

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the pores, so to speak. And I take this to

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be a critique perhaps of nobility.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 3: In other words, the idea is that, yeah, she's a

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fake baroness, but all aristocracy is fake, is the idea. Right,

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They're all illegitimate because they're all acting. And we're at

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this crucial pivot when nobility is no longer the celebrity.

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Now actors in Hollywood are the new nobility. And that's

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why the Hollywood producer immediately recognizes her. Cohn calls her out,

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and the baroness and her flock of By the way,

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her dudes don't even seem straight. That's the weird perspective.

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It's like the gayest dudes that are her thrupple. So

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perhaps we're supposed to think that maybe they're all by it.

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It's really weird. But she represents sort of, you know, degenerously, lust, manipulation,

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a lot of the vices, right, So she steps into

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Eden with her demons and her vices. She begins to

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corrupt Eden, and Jude Law eventually catches on long story short,

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I'm not gonna There's not a whole lot more going

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on other than that. It ends up kind of being

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a discussion about survival of the fittest. Who's really gonna survive,

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who's actually gonna make it? And if you zoom out

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and understand this allegory as an allegory of civilization, much

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like Lord of the Flies, very very similar to Lord

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of the Flies, civilization, if it's not ultimately about hierarchy

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and authority and wealth and all these kinds of things,

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then it is survival of the fittest. So who actually

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would in an animalistic biological sense, be the fittest that

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would survive. You might think, oh, the baroness, because she's

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so self willed, so determined, so manipulative, she's willing to

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lie and do anything at any cost, and she'll hump

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anyone or anything to get her will done. You might think, no,

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it's actually Jude Law's atheistic blonde chick girlfriend and Jude Law.

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Maybe they're the ultimate survival of fittest because they are

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obsessed with survival the fittest. They're the ones that originally

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set up the community, They're the ones that originally want

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to be you know, going into the future apart from civilization.

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So they're gonna tough it out in the harshest conditions

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on these islands and make it just by living off

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the land. So maybe it's those two that are the fittest. Now,

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the Hollywood people don't really play a huge role other

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than to just sort of show up represent the Neuvareche,

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and they're actually they're referred to as that, right, and

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then they kind of leave and disappear, but they he

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functions to demonstrate who the baroness really is, right, a

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con woman. So who's going to make it the con woman?

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The Christian family, And I'm saying Christian because we kind

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of get the idea that Sidney Sweeney and her husband

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are some form of Christian, some form of Protestant. It

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might be hinted at or mentioned briefly. And immediately Sidney

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Sweeney is pregnant. So she finds out that when they

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got there, not too long after their rival or whatever,

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she's going to have a baby, and so not too

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long into the film, she gives birth. And it's a

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really exciting scene because there's the packs of sort of

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wild dogs that roam the island, and her husband is

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off hunting when she's about to give birth, and the

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other lover boys of the Baroness, they know that she's

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getting attacked, they don't help her, so they're kind of

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leaving her to the wolves, but she ends up fending

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off a pack of wild dogs to give birth to

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her son. So at all costs, she's willing to protect

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her offspring. And so there is this, as I said,

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pro natalist perspective that Sidney Sweeney and her husband have

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that perhaps makes them ultimately the fittest. So as the

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Baroness eventually fails in her plots and she spoiler alert,

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she ends up getting assassinated by Jude Law, Sidney Sweeney

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realizes that Jude Law and her wife or his girlfriend

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will do anything at any cost to get rid of

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anyone else, and that includes framing her Christian husband for

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the murder of the baroness, and so they have this

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sort of showdown, and Sidney Sweeney realizes that she's going

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to have to be even more cunning than Jude Law

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and his wife, and so she steps in and sort

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of causes a rift between them and even hints at

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the means by which Jude Law's girlfriend might get rid

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of Jude Law. Why does she do that? She does

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this ultimately for her children. She's the only character in

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the film, I mean her and her husband who care

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about and want to see the furtherance of their offspring.

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We get the impression that Jude Law, being the committed

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sort of atheist, nihilist, animalistic person, doesn't care anything about

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not only his wife or any future offspring. He only

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cares about himself. So his attitude is that I alone

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will survive by only caring about myself first and foremost,

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and this comes up often in the film. Eventually, though,

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it turns out that the only people that survive and

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make it are those who had the concern for their offspring,

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for their future generations. So Survival of the Fittest is

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not the revelation that Judlaw thinks he has in the film.

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Towards the end and the third act, he comes to

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the conclusion that man is just pure animalistic nature. That's it.

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He says, we eat, we fuck, we die, that's it.

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That's all we do. But it's all couched in only

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referring to himself, and so his nihilistic determinism and materialism

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doesn't even have a conception of furthering his offspring or

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his lineage, which is weird because well, if you're going

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to be Survival of the Fittest, wouldn't you want your

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species to survive? And in a weird turn of events,

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it ends up being the Christian mom who gives everything

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for her children, that's the only one that ends up surviving.

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And so the island ends up being the inheritance essentially

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of Sydney Sweeney, her husband, and her children. So, in

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a weird twist, the survival of the Fittest was actually

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the Christians because they had a progeny and a future

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generation that they looked towards, and the anti natalist, nihilistic,

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atheistic jew law and and ad armis they failed. They

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didn't make it. So in a weird way, this was

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actually kind of covertly sort of Christian kind of I

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thought it was good. There's a couple kind of weird

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gross parts, but four movies, H yeah, I think I

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think this is an interesting turn of events and if

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you do like this kind of movie. I did this

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podcast some years back. Lord of the Flies lost Mosquito,

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Coach Coast, the Beach and Treasure Island, So this was

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a fun podcast, and Eden is definitely one of these

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island themed films that I think if you if you

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like this this kind of stuff, you would like this one.

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All right, moving on to the next in tonight's round

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of decent films of late which this is kind of

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unheard of because movies have been so just awful for years.

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So it's it's interesting to see some entries into recent

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filmmaking that are not terrible, they're actually watchable. I'm not

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saying these are the best movies. I'm just saying ever,

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I'm just saying it's just interesting to actually see four

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movies in a row that we're okay and we're entertaining.

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I'm not saying that Boggonnia has a good message. In fact,

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I kind of think even though it's funny, even though

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it's a dark satire, I kind of feel like this

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is ultimately a Luciferian breakaway civilization dark satire on civilization

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as well. Why do I say that, Well, Yrgos Lantemos

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has directed some very odd films. You could say he's

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a little more of a avant garde type of filmmaker.

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And I did see The Little Lobster. It was a

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decent dystopian film. I wouldn't say it was great, but

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it was okay. However, I did not like Poor Things,

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and Poor Things is not at all what I thought

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I was getting. I thought I was getting something akin

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to Terry Gilliam. And you can tell the film is

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very influenced by Terry Gilliam style filmmaking. You know, very

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brazil you know Twelve Monkeys, a lot of fun, goofy

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camera work, angles, silly stuff. But as you know, when

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we went through, I think we did a brief overview

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of Poor Things. Long story short, This is a Krollian

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story of the descent into evil and chaos out of innocence,

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learning all of the dark things of the left hand

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Path in order to achieve apotheosis, and by the end

469
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,320
of the film, she goes from being a sort of

470
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:32,199
an innocent child of her father to being a post prostitute,

471
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:40,320
enlightened super feminist and the mad scientist that creates her.

472
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,480
She's a sort of a female Pinocchio ends up being

473
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:48,880
the archetype of God, the Father, the bumbling gnostic creator,

474
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,960
God who should be opposed at all costs, and the

475
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:56,159
only way that that happens is by her going out

476
00:37:56,199 --> 00:38:02,880
on her own and descending into all the levels of

477
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,039
you could say, Dante's Inferno, and the film kind of

478
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:08,519
makes that clear that she's kind of going through this

479
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:14,760
dark initiatory process to experience all of the dark side

480
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,840
of things as life's drive me crazy. This light so

481
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,159
it gives me a headache, So I might just turn

482
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:28,320
this light off here and we'll do it like this

483
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:38,079
because I'm starting to get a headache. And if I'm

484
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,000
a little slow on the draw, it's because, as you

485
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:46,679
guys know, we've been streaming for a bit today. The

486
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,199
other way, if you're enjoying the stream and you like film,

487
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,159
you like narratives, you like stories, you can get ahold

488
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,039
of Esotery collab with one, two, and three in the

489
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:59,159
shop in the show description. And yes, you're correct. So

490
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,400
many films are really just packed with and repackaging gnostic

491
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:08,119
themes and gnostic structures. Part of the reason for that,

492
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:10,199
by the way, yeah, it's kindabasis. Absolutely. Part of the

493
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:11,840
reason for that, for those who don't know, is that

494
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:17,159
many screenwriters rely on sort of watered down patterns of

495
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:23,440
union structures. Right, so you know, there's kind of classic

496
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,079
books on screenwriting like Low Hunter's Book and other texts

497
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:31,559
that people look to. Joseph Campbell, you know, that kind

498
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:35,239
of stuff with Hero of the Thousand Faces all that,

499
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:41,320
that's all kind of watered down Carl Young stuff. Hey, Jamie,

500
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,440
you may be an espresso. I'm gonna headache, you are correct,

501
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,519
and an expresso, Jamie?

502
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 4: Can you make me an express?

503
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: And that, unfortunately was the Krohleian ethos that we but

504
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,679
I mean, I'm being serious, like I actually think there

505
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,639
was like a explicit Krollian elements in Poor Things, and

506
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,679
it's not at all what I expected the movie to be.

507
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:13,360
So it's really thrown for a loop. A lot of sex,

508
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,199
magic and occult stuff in Poor Things. So I'm not

509
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,679
recommending people watch that unless you are prepared and can

510
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:26,880
you know, shield your eyes from certain things, particularly you know,

511
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,880
I think you know Emma Stone is an attractive actress,

512
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,400
But giant, fat, hairy dudes getting it on with m A. Stone,

513
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,920
I don't think anybody is interested in that. That is

514
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:45,679
just rough, dude. I'm talking about big old, fat hairy

515
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,920
dudes in multiple scenes like what. But the reason for

516
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:52,239
that in the narrative other than it, you know, just

517
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:57,599
being degenerate was precisely because she is experiencing a kind

518
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:02,400
of a pistos Sophia, not stick alienation of the goddess,

519
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,920
so that she can be free from the arcontic creator

520
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:13,480
deity and become her own empowered slay queen, dark gnostic

521
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:20,719
goddess character. And it's interesting that your goos is a

522
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:26,920
Greek director because presumably he, being from Athens, would have

523
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,519
grown up with Orthodoxy. But I'm assuming that perhaps he

524
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:38,559
left Orthodoxy for Alisher Crowley. I'm not sure what, but

525
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,440
I don't know his background. I'm just guessing. I mean,

526
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,440
he could be from an atheist, he could be from

527
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:54,000
a communist family. Who knows there have been prominent Greek communists.

528
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,119
So let's see what it says. If it says anything

529
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:02,039
about his early life, says born in nineteen seventy three

530
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:07,840
and Athens comes from a working class family. But his

531
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:13,119
dad was a basketball player in Greece. That's that's really weird.

532
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,360
This is God in that one. That's old. Thank you,

533
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:26,039
there's old coffee sitting around. He was raised by his mom,

534
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:27,639
so that might be part of the reason why he

535
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:32,719
went to the Hellenic College of Cinema, so probably got

536
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:39,880
into some kind of communism because most leftists, as we

537
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,519
all know, and I'm just assuming he's a leftist, it's

538
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:47,440
got to be. It's like they're all just kind of

539
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:52,000
default retard communists. Doesn't. Ever, it doesn't. It rarely goes

540
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:57,199
more any more sophisticated than that, though it does seem

541
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:03,159
like perhaps he's into Kroley and stuff. So moving on then,

542
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:09,840
from Poor Things, Bigonia is actually a decent movie, and

543
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,960
it's pretty funny. It's got to really. I mean, we

544
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:15,880
don't see a lot of movies anymore with really good scripts,

545
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,639
really good screenwriting, and scripts that are funny. But this

546
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,199
movie actually made me laugh out loud multiple times. Again.

547
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,599
Even though I'm not saying that the message of this

548
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:32,400
movie is good. It has another one of these you know,

549
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:36,679
hyper elitist sort of breakaway civilization. You're all dumb, you're

550
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,079
all retarded, you're all going to die, and the breakaway

551
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:44,400
civilization is justifying in that precisely because you're all stupid.

552
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:49,679
What I did not expect, even though we did sort

553
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,880
of toy with this theory Jamie, as we were watching it,

554
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,760
we're sort of like, Okay, you've got this conspiracy theory.

555
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,360
You've got this alien narrative. I said, I wonder it's

556
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,760
gonna be funny if the conspiracy theorists are actually correct.

557
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:05,280
So the thing that makes me like this film is

558
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:12,199
precisely that the conspiracy theorists are correct. So we have

559
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,360
this elite CEO. I forget her name in the film,

560
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,559
but she is one of the you know fortune one

561
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:26,280
hundred CEOs. She is a super slay queen, mega mega feminist, right,

562
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,320
and she's all over you know, Ted Talks, She's all

563
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,119
over Wired magazine, everywhere Time magazine. She's the CEO Slay

564
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:41,440
Queen of the Year. And near her house there are

565
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:44,599
these two brothers who are going to see me, a

566
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:47,360
guy and his cousins. They're not brothers, but there's a

567
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:51,880
they're not exactly rednecks. I'm not sure what I would

568
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,559
call it. They're just sort of like dirty country boys,

569
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:02,960
but not rednecks, right. And the guy with the hat

570
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:06,119
is sort of the protagonist's character, or perhaps the antagonist

571
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,800
character more so the protagonist. But he's come up with

572
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,519
this internet conspiracy theory which he's gone way deep down,

573
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:17,559
a deep dive on the Internet for many, many years,

574
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,280
and he's become convinced that Emma Stone is an alien

575
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,320
and she is the Queen Bee in a giant alien

576
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,679
beehived kind of situation, and that they are presently on

577
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,559
Earth among us X file style to get reconnaissance and

578
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:44,119
to experiment and ultimately perhaps to wipe us out. And

579
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:48,039
probably the best character in the whole movie is the

580
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:51,639
retarded cousin. I mean, this guy is absolutely hilarious and

581
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,480
if he's acting, he deserves an Academy Award for playing

582
00:45:56,519 --> 00:46:00,239
the best retard ever, because I've never seen any when

583
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,880
in a film play a better tard than the cousin,

584
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:10,920
the chunky dude with the the afro. There. So, the

585
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:14,239
the main guy decides that he'll recruit his cousin because

586
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,519
his retarded cousin is the only guy that he can

587
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:21,559
trust to actually follow him into the depths of the

588
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:25,440
schizo rabbit hole that is his alien conspiracy theory, and

589
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:31,079
to help him kidnap Emma Stone to get her to

590
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,000
spill all the details of the alien invasion plan and

591
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:40,400
to force her to leave the planet. And the best

592
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,039
thing about this movie is not just the comedy and

593
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:49,280
the you know, the the writing, but you actually believe

594
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:55,840
all the way spoiler alert until the end that it's

595
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,000
it's he's got to be crazy, right. It was a

596
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:03,320
genius way to construct the narrative such that at every turn,

597
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,880
every single thing that's happening is only stacking up to

598
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,639
make him look like he's just totally skitzo. Right, there's

599
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,880
no way that this can actually be real. And then

600
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,239
it's not until the very very last i'd say ten

601
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,639
minutes that you actually start cracking and thinking, Okay, wait

602
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:27,599
a minute, maybe his insane Schitzo theory is actually true.

603
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,440
That was all I mean. It was just done so perfectly,

604
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:35,880
and it's It's one of the funniest movies I've seen

605
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,800
in a while. However, However, aside from all that, even

606
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,679
though the conspiracy theories are correct, there's a downside, on

607
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,159
a dark side to this. By the way, did you

608
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,639
catch the flat earth references? Yes, you heard me correctly.

609
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,719
The film even and I don't think the film is

610
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,320
for all you Skitzo's either. The film is not saying

611
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,480
that flat earth is true, right, It's kind of at

612
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:06,119
every interval of the chapter of the film, they will

613
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,840
show these these sequences of a model of a flat earth,

614
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,079
and it's telling you an accountdown to uh you know,

615
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,800
five days until the lunary clips, four days until the

616
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,800
lunary clips, three days until the lunar clips, And every

617
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,679
one of these chapters shows you a model of a

618
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,840
flat Earth. And that's just to really kind of class

619
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,760
the protagonist in with all of the craziest online conspiracy theories, right,

620
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,159
QAnon stuff, flat earth stuff, and then of course alien

621
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:43,679
stuff and us it must unplays this character perfectly. I mean,

622
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:50,800
she plays an absolutely perfect, manipulative super slay queen feminist

623
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:56,719
ceo perfectly. I mean, you've got they're so conspiratory. These

624
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,599
skitz Thos are literally putting ten will on the windows, right,

625
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:14,960
it's full on, David, I like, you know, Chitta. However,

626
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,960
as the narrative begins to collapse that they're conspiracy, there

627
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:22,800
is and as we begin to think that maybe he's

628
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,639
actually correct, we start to find out that there's this

629
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,639
there's symbolism in the film that we didn't notice in

630
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,320
the first couple acts. We start to realize that she

631
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,800
doesn't just represent aliens, she actually represents the elite class.

632
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,960
And as I've said for many years and in my books,

633
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:45,840
in films, aliens often represent from the elite perspective, the

634
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,880
elite class. Right, they represent those that believe that they

635
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,440
have evolved beyond the rest of us. And as a

636
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:56,199
sort of sligh queen CEO, she's also a verse. She's

637
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,480
most like a kind of a CIA handler type person.

638
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,239
And these are the types of people that are recruited

639
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,760
into the establishment and into this Malthusiam perspective that literally

640
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,840
believe that everyone else is less evolved. So when you

641
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,320
watch the movie from that perspective, you begin to realize, Okay, yes,

642
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,880
she represents the elite class. In reality, that's what your

643
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,480
ghost Lanthemos is saying. And I'm sure he believes that

644
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,840
he's amongst that class. Right, they're saying, this is how

645
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,639
we view the rest of humanity. You're a bunch of dummies.

646
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:34,519
You're unevolved, and you can't even decode all the stuff

647
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:38,800
that's kind of out there, right, so we are justified

648
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,039
in depopulating you precisely because you fail the IQ test.

649
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,679
The IQ test ironically is solved by the conspiracy theorist.

650
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,719
The conspiracyist actually figures out what's really going on, how

651
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,920
the world really works. He's the only one and his

652
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,760
retarded brother that figured it out. And because there's such

653
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:06,400
sloppy goofballs, no one will listen to them. In fact,

654
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,559
she even stumbles into his conspiracy layer with all of

655
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:14,400
his you know, paper clippings and his twine connecting everything

656
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,599
together on a court board and his GeoCities conspiracy blog website.

657
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,880
Is he's got it all right, class all the classic

658
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:26,000
conspiracy of But nobody is going to listen to this

659
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:30,199
goofer goufas right, And I can I can understand. There's

660
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:33,320
an element of me that has this schizo guphus into

661
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,840
me in me and I've been called Schitzo Guphus for

662
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,920
the last twenty years, so I get it. I vibe

663
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:44,719
with this dude. Although this dude and his retarded brother

664
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,719
need a cousin, need to take a shower. They're just

665
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,639
they're filthy the whole movie, which actually adds to the

666
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:54,519
comedic value, right, But the meaning of the film is

667
00:51:54,639 --> 00:52:03,199
that it is that Earth is populated by retards. They

668
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:09,079
aren't even as competent as the animal life, which can

669
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:15,639
structure itself like bees do into a hive in order

670
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:23,480
to survive. But humans damage the earth, damage other humans,

671
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,480
and constantly are the worst enemy. So in that sense,

672
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,639
there is this sort of Club of Rome, First Global Revolution,

673
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,519
Malthusian message that the elites have, which is obviously what

674
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:39,280
the film's about. But the turn at the end, of

675
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,840
course is by the way, there's also the whole you know,

676
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,199
humans are killing the bees, the bees are being depopulated

677
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,079
or whatever. When the bees die, all the humans will die.

678
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:56,719
That's sort of the underlying conspiracy subtext here. But as

679
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:03,519
we said, it turns out the conspiracy theorists, we're all correct.

680
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:08,880
And even though this is using a lot of comedic elements,

681
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,840
comedic value for the extremes, right, the absurdity of what

682
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:18,880
most conspiracy theorists present themselves as, they are actually correct.

683
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,239
And even though it seems cartoonish at times with the

684
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,639
alien element or flat earth stuff or whatever, the root

685
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:34,599
essential conspiracy that is correct is the Malthusian attitude of

686
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:44,639
the elite for the masses, and that they see themselves

687
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:48,559
as a different species. I mean, we've talked about this

688
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:52,280
in Francis excuse me, Charles Galton Darwin's book The Next

689
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:57,599
Million Years. That book is an excellent example of what

690
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:03,039
the overwriting philosophy of Begunia is. So, of course, as

691
00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:06,519
you can imagine, at the end she really is the

692
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,400
empress of the alien She is the queen Bee of

693
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,719
the aliens, and she is here to gather information and

694
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:19,280
reconnaissance and to plan the depopulation of the species, because yes,

695
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:24,920
the aliens seated us here panspermia. We are an aberration,

696
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:28,599
an abortion that needs to be gotten rid of and

697
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,400
spoiler alert you can pause here if don't want to

698
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,199
hear it. When she returns to her alien ship, she

699
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,639
depopulates Earth and all that is left are the dogs,

700
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:44,840
the cats, and the bees. So the irony, of course

701
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,199
being that humans are going to depopulate the bees and

702
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,400
the aliens in a twist, give the bees continued existence

703
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:57,719
and not the humans. All of the humans die. And

704
00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:00,719
it's weird to because it seems like it gets rid

705
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,480
of the oxygen, so like the ozone layer is punctured

706
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:07,880
or something. But it really can't be that because the

707
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,000
bees and the dogs and the cats continue to live on,

708
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:15,960
so it's not oxygen. So presumably then it's some form

709
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:21,559
of an airborne toxin or something that genetically targets only

710
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:32,320
the human species, which is interesting from a elitis perspective. Also,

711
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,320
one thing that's a little unclear in the film is

712
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:42,719
the idea that Okay was the protagonist guy and his

713
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,480
retarded cousin. Were they actually going to be taken on

714
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:50,599
the ship because she basically says, if you take me

715
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:55,800
back to my office, I will take you with me

716
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,519
and I won't destroy you with the rest of earth.

717
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:05,320
He is strapped himself with a bomb right when he

718
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,159
goes back to the office with her, So this is

719
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,000
his means of insurance, he says. He says, I'm gonna

720
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:14,480
wear a bomb because you know you're too crafty. I

721
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:17,079
don't know what you're up to. And so it's kind

722
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:20,159
of unclear as to whether he accidentally blows himself up

723
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,079
or whether she causes him to debt. I think it's

724
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:26,199
an accident. I think she's actually going to take him,

725
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:32,599
because when the bomb goes off, right, there's this really

726
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:34,880
comedic scene where his head flies off and it hits

727
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,440
her in the face and knocks her out. I don't

728
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,239
think she planned that. I think she was thinking, you know,

729
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,280
in the moment, and thinking, Okay, I may have to

730
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,079
just take this this weirdo with me. So does that

731
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:52,960
suggest that, you know, people that figure out the conspiracy,

732
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:58,320
perhaps they might be the ones that are offered a

733
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,880
kind of continued existence. Right, you have this idea I

734
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,159
think in Brave New World where if you figure out

735
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,519
what they're really up to, you're given the option of

736
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,039
or maybe it's it's in the sequel, I think, where

737
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:13,239
you're given the option of going to the island. Right,

738
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,599
you can go live on an island where because you

739
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,239
solve the conspiracy, the technocrats are going to let you live.

740
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,639
We're not going to kill you, but you can't live

741
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:28,960
in the technocracy. No, this is it. It is bunkers.

742
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:32,360
But it was really good. Also, the hair stuff. I

743
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:33,760
didn't even go into the hair stuff, but it's pretty

744
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,000
funny because it's kind of like they bring back the

745
00:57:36,039 --> 00:57:40,719
biblical notion of the importance of hair because they shave

746
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,400
her hair off because it's actually the source of her

747
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:48,239
power and how she communicates with her alien vessel. So

748
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,360
that's why they shaved her head. But also shaving the

749
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,119
head is symbolic in the biblical sense of you know,

750
00:57:56,599 --> 00:58:01,639
removing ones. It's a symbol of removing one's power or

751
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:06,159
the headship of who you were previously under. Right, So

752
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:12,440
in the scriptures, when Israelites were to take if they

753
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,000
took women captive in battle. One of the things they

754
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,760
were to do is to shave their hair. And part

755
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,519
of the reason for that is that it makes some

756
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:23,679
people have argued it makes them less attractive, so they're

757
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,719
less likely to be graped. But also it's a symbol

758
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,480
of headship, as you know. In Paul's epistles, he says

759
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:35,400
the Orthodox Church we wear our women wear veils as

760
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,000
a symbol of headship and authority, just like their hair

761
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:45,079
is given as a covering that symbolizes headship. So when

762
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:48,119
they take Emostone captive, they shave her because she's now captive,

763
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,599
she's now under a new kind of headship and authority,

764
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,480
which what he callses something stupid, like you know, the

765
00:58:54,559 --> 00:59:01,800
human resistance, which is like just him and his retarded cousin. Guys,

766
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,079
if you want to support the stream, you can do

767
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:06,920
so through superchats. Nobody has super chatted tonight except for nobody.

768
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:12,039
Nobody likes movies anymore, I don't understand, or just everybody's

769
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:16,000
decided collectively, which you have total justification to do so

770
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:23,119
that movies are faking gay, all right, Moving on to

771
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:31,840
our next in the series, Black Phone and I thought

772
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:37,119
Black Phone one and two were pretty good. They in

773
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:39,119
many ways are kind of derivative from a lot of

774
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:45,920
other horror sci fi films, which is okay, but they

775
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,440
were still enjoyable. So I had fun watching both of

776
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,599
these one and two. I don't know if I would

777
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:54,920
say which one is. Probably one's a little bit better.

778
00:59:56,159 --> 00:59:58,000
But the thing that really tripped me out was that

779
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:04,760
the entire time I thought for sure this dude was

780
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,039
Ethan Hawk's son. I thought this he's first of all,

781
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:14,039
because Ethan Hawks the killer in Black Phone. So I'm like, oh,

782
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:16,400
he put his son in the movie, right, And the

783
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,360
dude looks just like young Ethan Hawk to me, right,

784
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,360
I was like, he's got to be Well, turns out

785
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,000
he's not unless he's Ethan Hawk's illegitimate son or something. Right, Like,

786
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,639
this dude has no relationship to Ethan Hawk, even though

787
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:37,039
he literally looks just like young Ethan Hawk. So I

788
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:49,599
was confused. Okay, So here's youngish Ethan Hawk and here's

789
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,760
Mason Tames. I was like, that's got to be his son.

790
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:02,960
Well it's not, because Ethan Hawk's son ironically actually looks

791
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:13,239
more like Uma Thurman than him. I mean, both of

792
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,400
his kids look like they don't look like Ethan Hawk

793
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:22,400
at all. So anyway, the thing that I thought was

794
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:27,440
interesting about Black Phone two was the the christian elements

795
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,800
I didn't I did not expect this to be a

796
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:35,480
film about Christianity in a in an odd way, and

797
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,519
you think, oh, what does this have to do with Christianity? Well,

798
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,119
this is the sequel if you know, you know, the

799
01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:47,320
first one was a serial killer, the grabber, not the graveler.

800
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:49,239
The grabber, not.

801
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:54,679
Speaker 11: The grab not the grabbler, the grabber, Okay, And what

802
01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:01,039
he does is h he's a magician, and he turns

803
01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:05,760
out he and his brother right work together to snatch

804
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,199
kids the grabber.

805
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 3: And if you recall, they eventually kidnap who I thought

806
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,639
was Ethan Hawk's son with this Mason dude, and he

807
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:25,559
ends up out smarting the serial killer through a supernatural phone.

808
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,079
This is the element that I didn't think was that good.

809
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:31,800
I think if that had kept it a little less supernatural,

810
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,199
it might have been a better film. Some of the

811
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:38,840
first one where he talks to the dead and the

812
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:43,400
children that the serial killer has gotten help him to

813
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,559
solve the murder and get away right, and he ends

814
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:51,440
up killing the grabber. The grabber with the phone. Okay,

815
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:55,360
that's Black Film Part one. I don't recall there being

816
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,320
many Christian elements to this, but I did like the

817
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,199
fact that part two went full Dante's Inferno. Yes, you

818
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:10,199
heard me right, they went full Dante's Inferno. We know

819
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,519
that we're going to hell because the film immediately starts

820
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:16,199
off with a lot of these Christian themes. There's a

821
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,800
Christian camp where we find out the grabber originally did

822
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,840
his first murders. These murders occurred some decades earlier than

823
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:30,119
the early nineteen eighties, and the children appear to have

824
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:36,519
been dumped into some icy lake in the middle of

825
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:45,719
Colorado winter. So Mason and his sister, Mason tim Thames

826
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:52,880
and his sister begin to have spiritual experiences that they

827
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,239
think our result of kind of the trauma that he

828
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,199
went through in Black Phone won right, Like, he and

829
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,679
his sister both have a upbringing because their mom, they believe,

830
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:05,320
committed suicide, and so they're sort of traumatized, and they

831
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:09,840
start reading about esoteric things and Carl Young and dream

832
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,320
interpretation because his sister starts having these sort of clairvoyant,

833
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,840
demonic spiritual attack dreams, and they start thinking that something

834
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,840
else is going on. They're being spoken to by the

835
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,159
spirit world, but they can't figure out what's going on

836
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,880
or why, and eventually they were led through various clues

837
01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:35,840
back to this bizarre evangelical Christian camp that their mom

838
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:42,280
worked up. They later find out that the Grabber, when

839
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,639
he was an active, fresh faced serial killer in the

840
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:51,440
nineteen seventies or excise me sixties, that he killed the

841
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:54,920
kids of the camp, buried them in the water, and

842
01:04:56,079 --> 01:05:03,119
staged the suicide of their mom. The suicide had led

843
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:06,039
the dad to become an alcoholic, and so the irony

844
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:09,559
is that the dad, who caused a lot of the trauma,

845
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,199
was actually not at fault for the suicide of the mom.

846
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:19,239
It was in fact the Grabber the whole time, And

847
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:24,519
so Mason and his sister have to work together to

848
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,000
uncover and figure out what's really going on. And the

849
01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:34,119
Grabber has now become an agent of Satan. He's now

850
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:39,880
a demonic force who works from the other side to

851
01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:44,400
do demonic types of things, possess people, attack, etc. And

852
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:50,440
he's actually trying to bring Mason and his sister to

853
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:57,360
the camp to also be murdered. The Alpine Lake Christian

854
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:03,760
youth camp. The sequences of the demonic possession and all

855
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,639
that are kind of corny. It's a little over the top.

856
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,960
But what I liked about the film was the fact

857
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:14,559
that the evangelical ethos is exposed in the film to

858
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:21,079
be completely ridiculous and retarded. The self righteous, know it all,

859
01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:25,039
charismatic Karen and her husband ineffectual husband. They really have

860
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:28,519
no idea what's going on, and when confronted with real

861
01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:33,960
spiritual metaphysical evil, they have no idea what to do,

862
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:37,679
and they're clueless. Because Mason and his sister had actually

863
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,480
been through real traumatic stuff, they actually begin to decode

864
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:43,480
and figure out that, Okay, we're going to have to

865
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:48,800
actually work together. And because Mason's sister has the ability,

866
01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:53,719
I guess to astrally project. I'm not advocating for astuel projections.

867
01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:56,280
I'm just saying it's a device that's used in the film.

868
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,960
They realize they're going to have to sort of strain

869
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:07,000
things style work together as one of them fights in

870
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:09,840
the physical world and the other one fights in the

871
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:18,440
spiritual astral realm. So it gets pretty trippy and like

872
01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:23,360
kind of out there when you have this final level

873
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,800
of hell confrontation between the Grabber and Mason and his

874
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:33,960
sister and their friends. And if you recall, Dante's Inferno

875
01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:37,599
is actually at the very lowest level, it's all ice,

876
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:42,280
So Satan is actually frozen in ice, and this ends

877
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,159
up being the fate of the Grabber. In fact, they

878
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:49,840
actually reference Dante's Inferno indirectly in multiple places when they

879
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,079
have this confrontation on the ice. I enjoyed all those

880
01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:57,199
literary elements which I think most people probably aren't aware

881
01:07:57,199 --> 01:08:00,440
of or didn't pick up on. There is a kind

882
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,960
of a catabasis where he's confronted and destroyed, kind of

883
01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:07,639
at the bottom of the frozen lake. One of the

884
01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:14,119
things that also stuck out was the horrifying statement when

885
01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:16,560
the Grabber is explaining what happens when you go to Hell,

886
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,119
and he says, when you go to how what the

887
01:08:20,199 --> 01:08:24,119
demons do is they take away whatever was left of you,

888
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:30,319
and they replace it with only the worst parts of

889
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:35,439
what you ever did. So you are gone, and all

890
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,359
that's left of you is all of the evil that

891
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,079
you did, and so you are purely and only a

892
01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:47,600
vessel of evil. And I thought that was a very

893
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:55,920
accurate description of full on sort of demonic possession, and

894
01:08:58,039 --> 01:08:59,960
I guess you could say an analogy for the way

895
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:05,439
in which those who damn themselves sort of put themselves

896
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:11,640
in a situation where they will the good elements of

897
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,439
themselves to essentially be gotten rid of, if that makes sense.

898
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,800
So I appreciated the spiritual elements of this film. Even

899
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,399
though it was kind of goofy and kind of a

900
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:30,319
stranger things, it was still overall entertaining, I'll put it

901
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:36,760
that way. And right before they put an end to him,

902
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:39,560
she begins to quote lines about the resurrection, which is

903
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,840
also not what I expected. So again I would say

904
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:50,159
this film not explicitly Christian, but almost subtly kind of Christian,

905
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,239
if that makes sense. Is what do you guys think?

906
01:09:56,119 --> 01:09:59,840
All right, We're gonna move on then to the final

907
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:06,760
film into Night's analysis. Tron ares this was trippy, dude.

908
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,239
I have to say. I think, as I said on Twitter,

909
01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:14,800
it was simultaneously awesome and retarded. There were elements of

910
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,920
it that were really tantalizing in terms of cinematography, in

911
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,279
terms of the combination of the cinematography with the music,

912
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,800
and you know, I think obviously Trent Reznor is kind

913
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,920
of retard but he has made some cool songs and

914
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,760
kind of like Daft Punk did well with Tron Legacy.

915
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:41,359
I felt like this Tron was almost really good, but

916
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:45,359
the writing and the editing was at times retarded. I mean,

917
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:50,000
the writing was terrible overall, and so many scenes were

918
01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:52,119
kind of chopped together that didn't really make any sense.

919
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:56,920
But this is pretty visually amazing. I mean that there

920
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,760
were some scenes in this that kind of blew me

921
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,720
away honestly, together with the music. I mean, it's something

922
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,359
I think that if you do like this kind of stuff,

923
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,960
it should be seen in the theater. It's not gonna

924
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:15,520
make sense or work, you know, at that home. So

925
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,199
I would recommend if you do like like it, go

926
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:26,319
check out Tron areas in the theater. Now a bit

927
01:11:26,359 --> 01:11:30,399
of a refresher, Tron is very In many ways, this

928
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,359
was a very predictive film. I mean, Disney put this

929
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,720
out I think in nineteen eighty two. I put this

930
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,920
in I think ESA Hollywood two. Although the article was

931
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,840
written a long time ago, and this is kind of

932
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,239
wild because this is way before the Matrix. This is

933
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:52,199
way before let's see, when did William Gibson put his

934
01:11:52,279 --> 01:11:54,319
book out? I think that was like eighty six, wasn't it.

935
01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:04,880
Neuromancer came out in Night so Disney put out Tron

936
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:10,479
even two years before Neuromancer, and you could say, yeah,

937
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:17,600
there was probably even earlier pre signifiers of the Matrix

938
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,640
and the I'm not about the movie the Matrix, but

939
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,840
the idea of the virtual world and all that. I'm

940
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:28,119
sure that there's probably references in Asimov or Philip K. Dick,

941
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:32,119
but it would be interesting to see. And if you

942
01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:35,000
guys we have a really high Q audience, I'm not

943
01:12:35,119 --> 01:12:36,760
joking me seriously, I think a lot of people in

944
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,399
our audience. If you guys know of an earlier reference

945
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:45,720
to this notion of entering into the virtual world, prior

946
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:52,640
to you know, Philip K. Dick or Neuromancer or Tron,

947
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:58,239
let me know. I'd be interested to see. But again,

948
01:12:58,399 --> 01:13:06,239
we're pretty early on in terms of pretty revolutionary ideas.

949
01:13:06,279 --> 01:13:08,600
In other words, what we are seeing kind of roll

950
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:16,079
out now with AI and you know, virtual worlds. We're

951
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:20,920
talking about nineteen eighty two. That's crazy now. In nineteen

952
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,399
eighty two, the narrative is largely to do with games

953
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:29,600
and gamification, and I think they understood very early on

954
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,800
because video games kind of come out of the Pentagon.

955
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,239
If you don't know, the early development of video games

956
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:37,880
is literally the Pentagon, and eventually, you know, the Pentagon

957
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:42,359
wanting to develop first person shooters. This was designed to

958
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,720
see if they could desensitize soldiers to the idea of

959
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,079
you know, shooting and killing quicker through the game. For

960
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:55,920
those of you that don't know, Hero says Pkad was

961
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,479
pretty much a pioneer in terms of sci fi. So

962
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,319
it's hard to think of another author. I mean, I'm

963
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:05,119
guessing that he's the first to talk about that kind

964
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:07,079
of stuff, But it would be interesting to see if

965
01:14:07,079 --> 01:14:12,479
there's anybody earlier who was the first sort of predictive

966
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:17,399
sci fi author to talk about entering into virtual worlds.

967
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,119
That would be interesting to know. Anyway, So I talked

968
01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:23,520
about this in my analysis that I wrote. Probably I

969
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:29,880
think I wrote this eleven years ago, and I wrote this,

970
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,960
I think because Tron Legacy was about to come out

971
01:14:33,039 --> 01:14:38,319
Disney was about to do a sequel to Tron. Whenever

972
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:42,119
that came out twenty ten eleven, I forget, but we

973
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:44,880
did a deep dive into a lot of the predictive elements.

974
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,840
You can go read the analysis here, and I talked

975
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:51,680
about what I just said, pentagon military training, game theory,

976
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,279
gamification of all society. So you have to understand that

977
01:14:55,319 --> 01:14:59,439
a lot of the ideas of the metaverse or virtual

978
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:04,399
worlds comes out of gamification and game theory developed at

979
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:08,000
the Rand Corporation. And all these things are working together,

980
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:14,640
right John von Neumann in terms of advanced computer engineering

981
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,640
at the Jason Project. We've covered that in many of

982
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,000
our previous talks, especially when we did the analysis of

983
01:15:21,039 --> 01:15:23,439
alex Obeya's Soldiers of Reason, which is the history of

984
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,479
the Rand Corporation. We did, as you guys know, I

985
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,960
think it's still linked here on the website if you

986
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:31,960
look over here on the right, Pentagon's Brain. So we

987
01:15:32,079 --> 01:15:38,199
covered Annie Jacobson's Pentagon's Brain. I think I need to

988
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:42,399
fix some of these. Yeah, is this one still work?

989
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:51,039
Let's see if this works. Kind of works. But Annie

990
01:15:51,119 --> 01:15:54,199
Jacobson's Pentagon's Brain is a great book. We read the

991
01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:56,079
whole thing, five or six hundred pages. We did a

992
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:58,800
couple lectures on it five or six years ago. That

993
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,319
is a perfect text for what we're talking about here.

994
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,880
But to make a long story short, we already had

995
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:13,319
the Gnostic narrative with Tron right, Tron has the controller

996
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,880
Master Control, which is this imprisoning you know, our contact

997
01:16:18,119 --> 01:16:24,399
entity that wants to keep you in the matrix. And Flynn,

998
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,359
I think I haven't watched Tron one in a long time,

999
01:16:27,399 --> 01:16:29,560
but you know, Flynn sort of represents the virus in

1000
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,920
the system and they figure out how to get out

1001
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,359
of the matrix when he's in the matrix. So this

1002
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:43,880
idea of defeating Master Control mastercom, which is this father figure,

1003
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,039
our contact creator deity that has to be overcome, Flynn

1004
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,399
ends up kind of being a Prometheus figure that rebels

1005
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,520
against the creator imprisoning deity. And I'm not just saying that,

1006
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,760
like Hollywood always ends up agnosticism just to repeat and

1007
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,039
to say it, but it really is like constantly ends

1008
01:17:04,079 --> 01:17:08,479
up in Gnostic narratives. In fact, other directors like I

1009
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,399
think Proys and then the guy that did but the

1010
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,840
guy that did Dark City, and I think Proyus did

1011
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:24,199
Hardware too. Proyis actually said Hollywood is a Gnostic enterprise,

1012
01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:28,439
meaning that they really just sort of retell the Gnostic

1013
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,039
story over and over and over. The Creator God is

1014
01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:34,239
the evil God. He imprisons us in this world and

1015
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:42,520
through self realization, through apotheosis, we will transcend the limits

1016
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:46,319
of space and time and death and overcome are imprisoning

1017
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:51,640
bumbling creator God moral autists for five dollars speaking about

1018
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,439
Gnostics Burma instead of stream today discussing David Ike's new book.

1019
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:58,159
He's having Ike on the show later. He should reach

1020
01:17:58,199 --> 01:18:02,640
out for an ambush debate. Well, I don't think Burmus

1021
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,439
would be willing to set up an ambush debate, and

1022
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:10,880
David Ike is not interested in a debate. So it

1023
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,039
was I think last year was the first thing I

1024
01:18:14,119 --> 01:18:16,239
ever had to hit a million views, and it was

1025
01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:22,840
the fourth hour that I did on Lord Voldemort, where

1026
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:29,000
I was talking about creation, you know, exemplifying the patterns

1027
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:32,640
and the signs of a creator. And for whatever reason,

1028
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,920
that struck a nerve with David Ike, I think because

1029
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,279
I critiqued like gnostic stuff in it, and David Ike

1030
01:18:39,319 --> 01:18:43,600
happened for some reason see that episode. So David Ike

1031
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,439
called me out and shared it. But it ended up

1032
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:50,760
like boosting the fourth hour and getting me like, at

1033
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,600
least between Alex and Ike, like a million views on

1034
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:59,880
that fourth hour talking about you know, the Fibonacci seq

1035
01:19:00,039 --> 01:19:04,600
when it's in creation and the Golden ratio all that

1036
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:13,319
kind of stuff, right, But anyway, what's up, BLA welcome.

1037
01:19:14,399 --> 01:19:22,920
It's good to see fellow narrative analyzers in the chat. So, yeah,

1038
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,399
we're not going to rehearse all the gnostic stuff. Everybody

1039
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,079
knows what that is. We've talked about a bunch. I

1040
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:34,000
did also do Tron Legacy when that came out, and

1041
01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:35,600
I think, you know, we pretty much saw all the

1042
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,439
same repackage gnostic stuff. There's not a whole lot to

1043
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:43,079
talk about. But to move into Aries, this one was

1044
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:46,600
interesting just because you know, not only is it visually

1045
01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:51,439
wild and stimulating, they bring in a new character to

1046
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,199
be the sort of Prometheus, right, So Jared Leito comes

1047
01:19:55,239 --> 01:20:01,159
in as Aries, the new agent of Master Control. Master

1048
01:20:01,279 --> 01:20:07,760
Control ends up being this sort of Zuckerberg dorky creator, right,

1049
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,720
played by the I forget that actor's name, but this

1050
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:18,920
young guy who is now runs this corporation, this guy, right,

1051
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,239
and you notice he's presented symbolically and a lot of

1052
01:20:22,319 --> 01:20:25,039
these sort of you know, he's got the light right

1053
01:20:25,119 --> 01:20:28,520
behind his head. He's like this this towering godlike figure,

1054
01:20:29,239 --> 01:20:35,920
but he's also an arrogant Zuckerberghee. You know coder dork,

1055
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,039
very reminiscent also of the same type of character in

1056
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:42,319
Alien Earth. Right when we talked about Alien Earth, we

1057
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:47,399
have the same Zuckerbergian, you know, twenty year old just

1058
01:20:48,399 --> 01:21:01,760
insufferable technocrat who envisioned himself as the kid genius. He

1059
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:07,159
basically his moniker like he's like, I am the kid genius, right,

1060
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:11,479
this guy here who this guy is perfectly cast, by

1061
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:16,079
the way, to play this sort of zuckerberghee technocrat character.

1062
01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:21,319
And in the Alien Earth series, which was excellent, he's

1063
01:21:21,359 --> 01:21:25,439
the world's first trillionaire, right, and his company is focused

1064
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:30,880
on engineering the replicants. If you didn't see Alien Earth,

1065
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:36,079
then spoiler alert, Yes, the Alien universe is the same

1066
01:21:36,119 --> 01:21:38,640
as the Blade Runner universe, and so that's where replicants

1067
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,520
come from. And this series, by the way, makes that

1068
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:46,640
very explicit. But you have the same sort of archetype

1069
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:52,319
here with tron Ares, where you have a rival to income.

1070
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:59,000
So basically there's two large tech companies that are vying

1071
01:21:59,119 --> 01:22:06,359
for control of robotics, AI, virtual world's gaming, et cetera.

1072
01:22:07,279 --> 01:22:10,239
And it's this guy's company, I forget what it's called,

1073
01:22:10,279 --> 01:22:16,880
something like Digivert. I forget what his company's name is

1074
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,199
but it's InCom, which is Flynn's company versus this guy's company.

1075
01:22:22,279 --> 01:22:26,439
InCom has focused on gaming and making things fun, right,

1076
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,840
so they've become the biggest sort of you know, Nintendo

1077
01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:33,640
type of company in the world, whereas their rival company

1078
01:22:34,279 --> 01:22:41,840
has become a weapons military industrial complex supplier company. Yes,

1079
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,479
Blade Runner and Alien are the same universe. That has

1080
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,479
been rumored for a long time, but it was actually

1081
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:51,960
there's actually quite a few easter eggs in both Blade

1082
01:22:52,039 --> 01:22:56,119
Runner and the Alien series that kind of hinted at that,

1083
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,880
and then of course it eventually turned out to be true.

1084
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,159
We covered that in my Alien Earth podcast if you

1085
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:07,399
want to go watch that. So we have the return

1086
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,359
of Master Control. So, if you remember in the first installment,

1087
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:19,000
Master Control was the arcontic imprisoning bumbling deity. Now Master

1088
01:23:19,159 --> 01:23:26,439
Control is essentially this arrogance teenager dude who has programmed aries.

1089
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,760
Of course he has. That's the God of War played

1090
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,880
by Jared Leedo, and Jared Edo's kind of pretty much

1091
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:35,720
being the same character as he was in Blade Runner

1092
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,800
twenty forty nine. So it's like Jared Leedo's playing Jared Leito.

1093
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:41,479
Now I'm not saying Jared Ldo is a bad actor.

1094
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:46,239
He is a good actor, but it's just it's funny

1095
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:49,399
because he's being very robotic, I guess on purpose. But

1096
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,560
he was very robotic in Blade Runner twenty forty nine two,

1097
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:56,920
So he's a pretty good villain. I would say what

1098
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:02,680
happens aries the god of war Satan Prometheus, the highest

1099
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:12,079
created angelic being of the Creator, decides that he's expendable,

1100
01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:20,439
he's disposable, and he sees as he runs on his missions,

1101
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,439
and I have to admit, like when they send him

1102
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:28,840
on the missions to infiltrate and to destroy Income's servers

1103
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,920
and we see that from the vantage point of being

1104
01:24:32,119 --> 01:24:34,600
in the computer, as we often do in tront I

1105
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,640
have to say, all that stuff is pretty awesome. I

1106
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,079
mean it's hard to say that these sequences, even if

1107
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:42,800
I mean I don't like Disney at all, and the

1108
01:24:43,119 --> 01:24:45,880
screenplay for this movie was absolutely retarded as like I

1109
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,079
was written by a ten year old. I mean, some

1110
01:24:48,199 --> 01:24:51,439
of the music and the sequences are pretty awesome. I

1111
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,640
mean they're pretty mind blowing, particularly this sequence here when

1112
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,960
they infiltrate the servers and you're seeing it from the

1113
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:03,000
sort of virtual persons. This part was pretty awesome. He's

1114
01:25:03,039 --> 01:25:09,239
biblically strong. But there's a specific scene that I think

1115
01:25:09,279 --> 01:25:16,560
will stand out to everyone as its hard to deny

1116
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:20,439
that it's awesome, and it's when they're in the grid

1117
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:25,680
and they ride. I mean, they're probably positioning this to

1118
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,640
be a video game or maybe some sort of I

1119
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,159
don't know, Disney theme park ride or something. I don't know.

1120
01:25:31,319 --> 01:25:33,319
Maybe they have this right at Disney, I don't know.

1121
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:38,600
But when she's riding on the back of his whatever

1122
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,239
it is his Oh, it's like a it's like a

1123
01:25:41,399 --> 01:25:46,760
sea Do. The se Do scene is pretty awesome. Combined

1124
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,439
with the music, I think it's a that will be

1125
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,560
a memorable movie scene that people will probably look back on.

1126
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,680
I mean, this is there right here when when they're

1127
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,800
riding the se Do. This part is pretty awesome and

1128
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,520
it's like a five minute sequence. Uh. I thought that

1129
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,960
that part was pretty good anyway. Point being, in terms

1130
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:10,000
of gnostic esoteric stuff, AI has been released, and the

1131
01:26:10,079 --> 01:26:14,800
whole twist of the narrative is that now that world

1132
01:26:15,079 --> 01:26:18,399
is able to enter our world. Well how could that be?

1133
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,680
But it seems like it's some form of nanotech and

1134
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,680
three D printing, So basically whatever is in the digital

1135
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:30,920
realm that's coded in that dimension can enter into our

1136
01:26:31,039 --> 01:26:35,560
dimension through what appears to be three D nanotech. Then

1137
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:41,279
that's combined with AI and so rather than us going

1138
01:26:41,359 --> 01:26:44,239
into the virtual world, you know when Flend's like and

1139
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:48,760
then I got in. Now that world is coming into

1140
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,479
our world. And so this is surrealist in a way,

1141
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,520
because surrealism is all up blending the bridge or the

1142
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,359
line between the dream state and the waking state. The

1143
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,279
surrealists all sort of try to embody that in their work,

1144
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,640
whether it's like a Cocteau or in these weird the

1145
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,359
Art of man Ray, these kinds of people all the

1146
01:27:11,399 --> 01:27:14,680
way up into David Lynch, who is obviously totally a

1147
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,600
surrealist filmmaker. The idea is that the dream state in

1148
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,039
the waking state are blended. Well, here we have a

1149
01:27:20,119 --> 01:27:22,760
similar idea, except that the bridge is not between the

1150
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:24,520
dream state and the waken state. The bridge is between

1151
01:27:25,319 --> 01:27:28,800
the virtual worlds and our world. And if you ever

1152
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,319
read back in the day, it's like Tad Williams when

1153
01:27:33,359 --> 01:27:39,159
I was into fantasy stuff. Other Land also has a

1154
01:27:39,279 --> 01:27:48,279
very similar idea going on, with the notion that I

1155
01:27:48,279 --> 01:27:51,880
wouldn't I wouldn't say that there's there's not a multiverse,

1156
01:27:52,079 --> 01:27:55,840
but you could say there's different dimensions in the sense

1157
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,279
that there is a dream world, there is the real world,

1158
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:09,199
there's a spiritual world, there is the third heavens, and

1159
01:28:09,319 --> 01:28:12,399
there might be other worlds. It's hard to say exactly

1160
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:16,960
how dimensions actually work. I do not believe in the multiverse,

1161
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:22,600
but I do believe in multiple dimensions. Also, I think

1162
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,600
individual persons believe it or not. I think they're actually

1163
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,760
their own little world. That's a really sort of out

1164
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:32,680
there speculative odd thing. I don't know exactly how to

1165
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,960
make it. You kind of get this idea in terms

1166
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,279
of like Stephen King's a Dark Tower series, because the

1167
01:28:38,399 --> 01:28:43,800
Tower allows you to kind of move between quote worlds,

1168
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,840
but the worlds are actually just people's psyche or their

1169
01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:51,920
own I mean, think about a person like a little

1170
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:57,439
snow globe, its own little, small, contained world. And if

1171
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,960
you are a demon and you get this in Dark

1172
01:29:01,039 --> 01:29:05,359
Tower Part two it's been a while, but I'm going

1173
01:29:05,399 --> 01:29:08,680
from memory. Part two actually focuses on like this demon

1174
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:14,319
like that can enter into people's souls through the tower, right,

1175
01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:19,239
so you sort of like transverse the what the multiverse

1176
01:29:19,279 --> 01:29:21,720
really is is all the different souls, and so if

1177
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,279
a demon going from one world to another would be

1178
01:29:24,399 --> 01:29:26,439
like him going into one person's soul or to another

1179
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:30,359
person's soul. And I think like the fiction and the

1180
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,520
sci fi stuff has kind of here and there hinted

1181
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,960
at that idea. That's kind of what's going on with

1182
01:29:35,239 --> 01:29:40,439
the Dark Tower series. But in Tad Williams's Other Land,

1183
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:45,680
it's more like there's this future that ties in not

1184
01:29:46,079 --> 01:29:49,239
just virtual worlds, of which there are many that you

1185
01:29:49,279 --> 01:29:52,840
can sort of step into, there's also the shamanic realm.

1186
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:57,960
So it actually kind of likens virtual worlds to the realms,

1187
01:29:58,039 --> 01:30:03,399
the worlds that the shamans enter into. And that's kind

1188
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:10,079
of what was going on here, because the different programs

1189
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:14,119
and the different servers are like cities and like worlds.

1190
01:30:15,159 --> 01:30:19,920
You even have this description by Flynn, you know, Jeff

1191
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:24,439
Bridges in I think Tron Legacy right where he talks

1192
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:29,159
about I tried to envision you know, circuits and keyboards

1193
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:33,560
like cities and streets, which makes sense, right, And then

1194
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,359
that's whole whole ethos, The whole idea behind Tron is

1195
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:42,199
the circuits and the motherboard and all that they're like

1196
01:30:42,319 --> 01:30:48,439
little cities. Now the stupid part about this, I don't

1197
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:50,319
know why they do this. This is so stupid in

1198
01:30:50,399 --> 01:30:52,800
this movie is that And they did this in the

1199
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:55,439
other Tron's right. So I think Tron one is a

1200
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:59,920
good film, very pioneering, amazing, way ahead of his time.

1201
01:31:00,199 --> 01:31:04,239
Stuffed Tron Legacy was decent, pretty good, Uh, you know,

1202
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:10,479
decades later follow up the Tron after Tron Legacy is awful,

1203
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:16,600
totally retarded. Uh, And I think Tron Areas is a

1204
01:31:18,119 --> 01:31:21,079
both awesome and retarded at the same time. But what

1205
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:24,319
I hate is this stupid idea to keep bringing back

1206
01:31:25,399 --> 01:31:34,520
this weird, bumbling, fucked up mouth Jeff Bridges. Like, with

1207
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,079
whatever's going on with Jeff Bridges and Maul, you can't talk,

1208
01:31:38,279 --> 01:31:43,279
but supposedly we're gonna we're using AI recreated characters anyway,

1209
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:48,560
just recreate an actual if you're gonna do AI crap, recreate,

1210
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:53,479
recreate an actual, accurate Jeff Bridges and not some sort

1211
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:58,479
of weird like why would the Advanced Jeff Bridges program

1212
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:04,319
be like seventy five years old and his mouth on

1213
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,359
messed up and he can't talk. It's just dumb, Like,

1214
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:10,640
So this kind of stuff is stupid and retarded. But

1215
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:17,000
it is actually pretty awesome that Aries goes into Flynn's

1216
01:32:17,319 --> 01:32:21,640
first computer, right his Commodor sixty four or whatever he has,

1217
01:32:22,399 --> 01:32:24,680
And that part was actually awesome because it's like, now

1218
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:28,159
we've actually gone back to, you know, the original tron.

1219
01:32:29,079 --> 01:32:33,000
But why does he have to talk to retarded boomer

1220
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:35,760
the dude from Lebowski And I'm not kidding, it's like,

1221
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,439
why is Jeff Bridge playing the dude? So yell man, like,

1222
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:44,279
you know, you want to fight me reality. It's like, yo,

1223
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,840
you look at yourself whatever, dude, it's just totally stupid.

1224
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:54,439
Literal Boomer Garcia here ends up being the self reflection

1225
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:58,600
of Aries. So this is where he got super gnostic,

1226
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:07,199
because it turns out that Aris' character art is that

1227
01:33:07,399 --> 01:33:12,920
he has to discover that master control, the archontic mumbling

1228
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:18,159
creator god that program him is a false god and

1229
01:33:18,359 --> 01:33:23,000
as is his own god. How by entering into this

1230
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:31,960
older inner domain of Flynn, the original programmer, who when

1231
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:36,319
he gets there, Flynn says, I'm just the reflection of you.

1232
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:44,199
I am you. In other words, self realization in a

1233
01:33:44,279 --> 01:33:50,119
kind of a gnostic sense, only happens when one discards

1234
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:54,399
the idea of a father, creator, God and looks to

1235
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:58,840
himself as a self savior. And at this point as

1236
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:04,399
becomes fully self realized. So remember, prior to this, aries

1237
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:08,319
was like a toy. He's a programmed bot. He is

1238
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:15,000
not conscious, not sentient, not self willed. He's like Pinocchio.

1239
01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:17,399
He's even referred to as the boy who wants to

1240
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:26,720
be real. When he meets his self a Flynn, the reflection,

1241
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:33,439
he comes to self realization and becomes his own god.

1242
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:39,840
He changes from red to white. So there's weird sort

1243
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:44,079
of alchemical color magic and color transformation here when we

1244
01:34:44,199 --> 01:34:49,079
move from Robato to Albato, so from red to white

1245
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,439
in the film, that's supposed to signify that he's turning

1246
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:59,119
from the sort of programmed killer to a higher level transcendent.

1247
01:35:00,279 --> 01:35:03,960
He's the dude from Lebowski. Man, it's like, you know

1248
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:08,479
your opinion, Man, that's so dumb. This could have been

1249
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,960
really good in this part. This was the stupidest part

1250
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:11,520
of the whole movie.

1251
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,159
Speaker 8: Was the.

1252
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:24,279
Speaker 3: Self apotheo sized, fictional neoplatonic Flynn episode dumb. However, the

1253
01:35:24,359 --> 01:35:30,000
rest of the film visually pretty awesome, pretty entertaining. It

1254
01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:37,640
was neat to see the AI entering our world, but ultimately,

1255
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,600
of course, it ended up being gnostic and then again

1256
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:47,439
to return to absolutely stupid. The newly enlightened Arees becomes

1257
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:53,960
a wandering sort of intentional community bro and decides that

1258
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:58,239
he's going to have to traverse Europe to find himself.

1259
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:02,199
So he literally goes full eat, pray love turns into

1260
01:36:02,279 --> 01:36:05,640
something that Tristan and I make fun of, and he's

1261
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:11,560
trampsing across Europe on a Vesper motorcycle or whatever. Like

1262
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:16,399
what Now, they did set it up to be that

1263
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,479
there's going to be a sequel, right, because if you

1264
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:22,680
remember in I Think Tron Legacy, you had the Olivia

1265
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:26,439
Wild character and they make a reference at the end

1266
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,600
of the film that oh, yeah, she's got to come back.

1267
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:32,199
And why well because Ari says, I've got to meet

1268
01:36:32,279 --> 01:36:36,640
other beings like myself that were programs that came alive. Right,

1269
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:42,319
So that combined with the fact that the Zuckerberg sort

1270
01:36:42,359 --> 01:36:47,279
of nerdy guy gets zapped into the computer world to

1271
01:36:47,359 --> 01:36:50,279
save himself. He's about to be arrested and he goes

1272
01:36:50,399 --> 01:36:55,319
into the matrix. So they're setting us up for a sequel.

1273
01:36:56,359 --> 01:36:58,800
Bobby c says, for five dollars. Nah, dude, we would

1274
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,520
super chat, but we broke Nah, so we broke Jack

1275
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,680
Wonders ten dollars. I used to love movies. I haven't

1276
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:08,159
had time to keep up with them. I have a kid.

1277
01:37:10,279 --> 01:37:14,319
Plus my wife is the worst watch companion. That's interesting

1278
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:19,960
at a lot of women don't like movies. Thankfully, Jay

1279
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:25,600
Jay Jamie likes movies, and we've had tons of fun

1280
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:28,159
over the years doing movie podcasts and we will lord

1281
01:37:28,199 --> 01:37:32,520
willing continue to do those. But yeah, I'm very thankful

1282
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,640
that she loves movies like I do. And by the way,

1283
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,720
you remember, guys, you can get esater Hollywood three in

1284
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:43,600
the Shop of Days analysis. If you enjoyed this type

1285
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:48,079
of breakdown, you will absolutely enjoy esoteric Hollywood one, two

1286
01:37:48,399 --> 01:37:56,600
and three. Miss top down five dollars, mister top down photos.

1287
01:37:57,159 --> 01:38:00,760
Have you done a breakdown of Dante's Inferno? You know what?

1288
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,359
I haven't? I should because we reference it so often.

1289
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,520
We talk about kind of bassis so often we talk

1290
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:11,000
about uh, you know, because, as Dangerfield has pointed out

1291
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:21,720
Bla's podcasts, you know, Shakespeare references, uh, Dante references, even

1292
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:26,159
Chaucer references, like they're all over films. Right, So if

1293
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:30,000
you study lit, you will notice and you'll pick up on,

1294
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:32,920
you know, a lot of these illusions and references which

1295
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:37,399
are all over screenplays and films. Which is funny to

1296
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:41,720
me too, because like, not many people catch these references

1297
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:46,520
and the public is getting so dumbed down and uneducated.

1298
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:50,239
I'm thinking, like, who is even getting movies? Like if

1299
01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:53,119
you watch it, like take the movie Eden, Like is

1300
01:38:53,159 --> 01:38:56,319
anybody even getting these literary and philosophical me They're talk

1301
01:38:56,319 --> 01:38:58,720
about Nietzsche and they're talking about books, and I'm like,

1302
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:02,640
does it are people even understanding these references anymore? I

1303
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:06,680
don't even understand what is going on. Is everybody just

1304
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,640
becoming who's gonna watch movies? When everybody has like fifty

1305
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:14,119
IQ and we're all just like total retards. Will there

1306
01:39:14,199 --> 01:39:16,479
even be movies? Maybe movies are gonna go away? I

1307
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:19,319
don't know. It's roll stakes ten dollars. Would you consider

1308
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:26,600
doing an esoteric take on anime? Akira or Neon Evangelian? Well,

1309
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,520
guess what I guess from two days ago, I have

1310
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:38,600
a list of animes to analyze. So I have Blue Exorcist, Vexcella,

1311
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:49,760
full Metal Alchemist, Neon Evangelian. So I do. I guess

1312
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:53,239
we need to eventually do that roll stakes. I think

1313
01:39:53,279 --> 01:39:56,720
we actually finally will. I am going to now that

1314
01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:01,720
I've gotten necessary clagh with three complete Yeah, why not

1315
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:04,479
do some anime? Let's do it. Let's do esthotic analysis

1316
01:40:05,239 --> 01:40:09,920
of some anime. Rui Teksira ten pounds. Thank you so much,

1317
01:40:10,079 --> 01:40:12,800
appreciate that. Super chat. Guys, if you would like and

1318
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,640
share comments, tell me what films you'd like me to do.

1319
01:40:17,079 --> 01:40:19,720
I know we got some of these anime recommendations. If

1320
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:22,760
you're watching this podcast or this live stream later, comment

1321
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:24,840
down below in the comments and tell me what movie

1322
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:26,800
you want me to see. You want to see me

1323
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:32,720
do a deep dive on mister Jackpots five dollars. Jay

1324
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:36,079
one hundred and eighty k. Congratulations you and Jamie. Is

1325
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:39,359
there going to be a party stream? This is kind

1326
01:40:39,359 --> 01:40:43,279
of a party stream. I mean I thought we did

1327
01:40:43,359 --> 01:40:46,239
one hundred and seventy five K party and that ended

1328
01:40:46,319 --> 01:40:51,520
up being a member's party. This is I guess you

1329
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:52,920
could say this is kind of a one hundred and

1330
01:40:53,039 --> 01:40:56,960
eighty k party stream. But will there be a two

1331
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:01,680
hundred k party? Absolutely, you bet, guys. Two hundred K

1332
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:07,600
party will be legit Polymath, we did Ghost in the Machine.

1333
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:14,920
We did a whole nineties hacker installment. We did Johnny

1334
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:21,600
Amonic Hackers, Ghosts of the Machine, and something else. But yeah,

1335
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:25,079
if you search the channel, hopefully they'll come up. By

1336
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:26,840
the way, guys, if you are going to look in

1337
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:29,239
the archives, I am going to go back and fix

1338
01:41:30,359 --> 01:41:34,520
the titles so that hopefully they will be searchable. I

1339
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:38,920
notice that if you title your video something weird, like,

1340
01:41:39,039 --> 01:41:42,560
you'll never guess what this movie is really about. Like

1341
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,800
unless you get that title right ten years later or

1342
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,840
five years later, it won't pull up. So what I'm

1343
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,800
gonna do is I'm gonna go back. Yes, we did

1344
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,600
lawnmore Man, that's it. That was the other one. I'm

1345
01:41:54,640 --> 01:42:08,760
going to go back and do this like this. See

1346
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:11,520
how I titled this five years ago when I did

1347
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:13,880
From Hell. I did it something like from Hell What

1348
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,560
we All miss because I thought that would be more

1349
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:18,640
of a catchy thing. This hasn't updated yet, but here's

1350
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,520
what I have retitled this tallis Jay Dyer on from

1351
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:23,920
Hell Johnny dev Weatherground.

1352
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:24,079
Speaker 1: Right.

1353
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:26,399
Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna do is I'm going to go

1354
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:32,039
back through and retitle these so that they're actually findable.

1355
01:42:32,079 --> 01:42:35,039
That way, it'll be easy to find them. Hopefully this works.

1356
01:42:36,079 --> 01:42:39,359
Let's see what let's see. Let's type in lawnmore man.

1357
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:43,000
What do we get because a lot of these don't

1358
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:48,000
even work, but nothing comes up when you search these. Okay,

1359
01:42:48,079 --> 01:42:51,720
that one worked. So here's Vanilla Skuy video drome lawnmore

1360
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:57,479
man in existence. And let's see how do we title

1361
01:43:00,279 --> 01:43:04,560
the one with? Okay, that one doesn't come up. So

1362
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:08,760
here's a great example. Let's try ghost in the Machine

1363
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:43,079
or Johnny mnemonic. Nope, doesn't come up. See this is

1364
01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:45,800
what I'm talking about. So Jamie and I did a

1365
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:53,479
whole episode where we covered that type of film, like

1366
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:57,680
that nineties hacker genre. So if we search the channel,

1367
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:06,760
what do we get? No, that's crazy, that's so wild

1368
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:10,920
that like, and it's it's weird too because you don't

1369
01:44:11,079 --> 01:44:13,399
it doesn't even there's no logic or it's just all

1370
01:44:13,399 --> 01:44:18,560
I guess algorithmic, like like why was that one hidden

1371
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:41,479
in the algorithm? You know what I mean. I'm still

1372
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:45,119
trying to find it because I know we did it.

1373
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,800
It's when Jamie and I did us the Dystopian series.

1374
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:56,520
I think maybe YouTube just like pulled it or something

1375
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,279
that's kind of weird. But that's what I'm gonna do

1376
01:44:59,399 --> 01:45:02,720
is go back kind of rename these so that hopefully

1377
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,399
they're kind of they're searchable. Maybe I made it for

1378
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:07,279
members or something. I don't know, we'll find it, but

1379
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:13,680
let's see. Nathan fifteen dollars. I'm a low low IQ

1380
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:17,640
viewer supporting the stream. Hopefully Chalk helps me lock into reading. Well,

1381
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01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:15,319
Ashwa Gonda actually does help with mental focus and clarity.

1394
01:46:16,199 --> 01:46:19,319
Joe Mom of five dollars, did you see good Shepherd. Oh, absolutely, yeah.

1395
01:46:19,319 --> 01:46:23,840
That's based on the actual formation of the OSS by

1396
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:29,279
British intelligence utilizing things like sculling bones to recruit the

1397
01:46:29,359 --> 01:46:33,239
early OSS members. Apparently the CIA had qualms with it,

1398
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:36,760
and I was surprised that was directed by Robert de Niro. No,

1399
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:39,920
it's very accurate, because you even have that skull and bones,

1400
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:44,600
you know, p p ritual where they're all getting pissed

1401
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:48,399
on and they confess their sins to the goddess and

1402
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:52,239
all this kind of stupid stuff. That's all accurate. Storm

1403
01:46:52,319 --> 01:46:55,600
the cat ten dollars. There's a philosophy channel called form Scapes.

1404
01:46:56,239 --> 01:46:58,520
He's some kind of perennialist, but he has a philosophy

1405
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:04,119
called morphic resonance. It almost sounds like orthodox essence energies. Well,

1406
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:08,560
I haven't looked at that, but I've heard of morphic resonance,

1407
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:13,760
and while there might be similar terminology, I highly highly

1408
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:18,199
doubt that it's close to the essence center distinction, because,

1409
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:20,720
for example, a lot of New agels say, oh, yeah,

1410
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:24,479
it's like energy, everything's energy. Even David Ike will say,

1411
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,680
you know, everything is all reality is energy. But that's

1412
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,439
not the essence centergy distinction, right, that's the distinction between

1413
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,920
God and his nature and his energies or operations, and

1414
01:47:34,039 --> 01:47:37,960
then for us, grace is uncreated energy that we participate in.

1415
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:43,079
And that's not really anything close to what you know,

1416
01:47:44,239 --> 01:47:48,359
new age theoretical physics type people think. Although there might

1417
01:47:48,399 --> 01:47:51,479
be some minor overlaps here and there, agent nothing. Did

1418
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:58,920
you see David Wood just admitted to something with Ridbond. No,

1419
01:47:59,079 --> 01:48:05,479
I don't know about that. I saw this on X.

1420
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:08,359
You did a very good job being discerning with Wood

1421
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:13,439
and rid Von to be conmen. Well, I don't know

1422
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,520
their motivations. I just kind of go by what I see,

1423
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:20,279
and I don't know if they're conmen. But you know,

1424
01:48:20,359 --> 01:48:23,760
I don't agree with some of the evangelical stuff that

1425
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:27,119
Wood has and I know Wood has been really going

1426
01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:33,239
hard against Sam Shamun, but none of them are Orthodox,

1427
01:48:33,319 --> 01:48:39,159
and I think that's the real problem here. I know

1428
01:48:39,319 --> 01:48:42,520
Ridvan was moving towards Orthodoxy.

1429
01:48:42,079 --> 01:48:42,159
Speaker 8: But.

1430
01:48:44,199 --> 01:48:46,760
Speaker 3: I don't. I just moved on, So I don't know.

1431
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:51,079
I haven't kept up with it, but uh, I don't know.

1432
01:48:51,159 --> 01:48:54,159
I mean, everybody's always there's always some kind of drama

1433
01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:58,600
that I just don't follow. Anyway, Guys, thank you so much,

1434
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:01,319
a lot of stream, a lot of good topics and

1435
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:05,119
discussion on the stream, hopefully you enjoyed. Yeah, I knew

1436
01:49:05,119 --> 01:49:08,319
that was from Rupert Sheldrake or something, so I've heard

1437
01:49:08,399 --> 01:49:11,399
that I remember his talks when he kind of remember

1438
01:49:11,399 --> 01:49:13,720
when he first popped up with the band of Ted

1439
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:18,039
Talk or whatever. But anyway, thank you guys so much,

1440
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A lot of fun. Hopefully enjoy