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<v Speaker 1>Report the Transporter Room three. Oh, Brian, here, I need

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<v Speaker 1>you in Transporter Room three. This is the captain. Meet

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<v Speaker 1>me in Transporter Room three. Join us in Transporter Room three, Captain.

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<v Speaker 1>We're heading for Transporter Room three. This is your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>transport room, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to Transporter Room three with your hosts Phil

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<v Speaker 2>Carello and Stock Laura Energize.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to another episode of Transporter Room three. Strange

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<v Speaker 3>New World's edition. Trying that out. Let's start trying out out.

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing, mister Scott.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing all right. Yeah. It's a strange New World's

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<v Speaker 1>time of year for us. I guess it's also the

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas Con time of year as we record this. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>creation it called the Creation Creation Con, Creation Vegas. What. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm not one of the cool kids, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching everyone at the Vegas cond I'm watching from

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<v Speaker 1>the sidelines as like the metaphorical football hero scores the

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<v Speaker 1>game winning touchdown, right, except it's a nerd. It's some

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<v Speaker 1>nerd dressed up as Q from encounter at far point

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<v Speaker 1>instead of a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, that's that's a good nerd costume.

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<v Speaker 1>Though it is a good nerdsto.

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<v Speaker 3>They can rock it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably gets pretty sweaty in there after a while though,

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<v Speaker 1>right the hood and and everything very I'm guessing extremely

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, that's going on. We're missing it once again.

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<v Speaker 1>We always say we're going to go and then we

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<v Speaker 1>never go.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point that the surprise will be if we

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<v Speaker 3>actually do go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I said to the wall last night, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, man, the Vegas CON's going on. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even realize. And uh, She's like, oh, what would

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<v Speaker 1>you would you actually want to go to that? And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, I guess i'd want to go

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<v Speaker 1>for an afternoon, you know, like just just to beam

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<v Speaker 1>in for a little while, check it out, and then

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<v Speaker 1>go home and then go home. I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I really would want to go do

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<v Speaker 1>with like the full weekend or anything like, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>it started to start yesterday, so Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>It's long. It's a long time, right, It's a very

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<v Speaker 1>long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, like you and I have sat through some

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<v Speaker 1>of these panels and stuff over the years, like like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many times I need to hear

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<v Speaker 1>Gates McFadden, who I love. I don't know how many

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<v Speaker 1>times I need to hear Gates McFadden tell the same

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<v Speaker 1>stories about you know whatever, like about.

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<v Speaker 3>I could send here a little bit more, like like

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<v Speaker 3>about Genesis, like shooting Genesis. I would love to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, which she directed well, because I I actually

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<v Speaker 1>you might. You might have heard Phil I went on

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<v Speaker 1>the Star Trek Cruise one time.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I've never heard this. This is all.

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<v Speaker 1>She did the whole She did a whole hour long

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<v Speaker 1>panel about directing Gendesis where she played She played the

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<v Speaker 1>episode and would pause it and up on the big

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<v Speaker 1>screen and she she broke was breaking down scenes and stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really cool. Actually was freaking cool. Yeah it

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<v Speaker 1>was great. So so you know what, I take it back.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet there's actually a lot of really cool panels

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<v Speaker 1>like that at the Vegas Con. Also, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so I'm so anti comic con these days that

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<v Speaker 1>it's spilling into my Vegas Con our for our former

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas Con hopes and dreams spilling into that. So I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta I have to build up. Yeah, I gotta build

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<v Speaker 1>up some kind of a community. Yeah, well I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say, uh, some ship. How a static warpshell? Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Any time line?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, anyway, so what are we gonna do it?

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<v Speaker 1>What are we doing? We're gonna talk about changing the

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we got back to back baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So we're talking about episodes two and three. Full spoilers.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Griffin Incident and Human best Friend. So

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<v Speaker 1>sort of maybe you could say the highs and the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sucks, right it is. You gonna start with

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<v Speaker 1>the good or the bad. Let's start with the good, okay, Griffin. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we were hinting about this one, right. It's a ghost

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<v Speaker 1>story or a haunted house stor or something. Uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a horror episode of Star Trek.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's fair and it's not the first time Star

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<v Speaker 3>Trek has done a horror episode. It's the first time

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<v Speaker 3>they've done like a horror episode like this, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>full out and it was they shut the hell out

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was very well directed in that regard, Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>very moody.

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<v Speaker 3>The special effects were really solid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's uh Axcel Caroline directed it. Who I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with uh, but I believe you said that she is.

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<v Speaker 1>She's on our buddy Jordan Hoffman's podcast this week talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>The episode for the relaunch star Log.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, star logo. All your old timers out there, if

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<v Speaker 1>you remember star.

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<v Speaker 3>Log, you set starlog all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Uh, star Log is coming back. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>same people that revived Fangoria and Jordan, Jordan and another friend,

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<v Speaker 1>uh or for another friend of the podcast, this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Gonzalez. Those those guys are running the podcast for

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<v Speaker 1>star Log and uh, they're also doing a newsletter I think.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, they have the director of the Griffin into the

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<v Speaker 1>non I haven't listened to it yet. I wanted I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to. Yeah, you're right, it's very mood it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very moody episode. So the Nuts and Baltimore are just

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<v Speaker 1>that la on Spock and Kirk. Is he lieutenant I guess?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is he a lieutenant commander at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's attempts to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not sure. He might just be lieutenant, which

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<v Speaker 1>is quite a rise through the ranks, considering he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be captain pretty soon, right soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he's the greatest captain.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. Uh he The three of them were back

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<v Speaker 1>from us like Starfleet Leadership seminar or something real rail

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<v Speaker 1>brown nosing event that they attend, and they they run

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<v Speaker 1>into this this abandoned ship, the USS Griffin, which has

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<v Speaker 1>been missing for years. Looks like it's a Constitution class ship, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems.

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<v Speaker 3>To be, Yeah, a redress of Enterprise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah so, and the exterior as well looked the same,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the ship's been miss missing for years.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, I was gonna say, you gotta love the the

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<v Speaker 3>original series would redress a lot, Yes, the Enterprise a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>the other ships. You gotta love that they're continuing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It makes it a bottle episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and as much as one of these can be a

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<v Speaker 1>bottle episode because they still have some fancy visual effects.

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<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, so they so the ship is, they

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<v Speaker 1>can't find anyone on board. There's nothing wrong with the

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<v Speaker 1>ship as far as they can tell, but it's also

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<v Speaker 1>not operating correctly. And then they realize it's it's maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's haunted. I don't know. There's this woman walking around

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<v Speaker 1>who keeps to Rose Harper. Yes, yeah, it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>it's the farmer security chief, right, who is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>sort of gets into Lan's head. She kind of jack

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<v Speaker 1>Torrance's lawn. I would say, yes, yes, yeah, and they

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<v Speaker 1>all sort of split Oh sorry, keep coming, you go ahead, man, No,

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<v Speaker 1>you go. I was just gonna say they all sort

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<v Speaker 1>of split off at some point and have their own

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<v Speaker 1>mini mini horror adventure on board, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and Spocks is relegated to sick Bay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes where uh.

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<v Speaker 3>What is her name, Scott? That's not tol to bring

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<v Speaker 3>to bring to Pring sorry? Yeah. To Pring is manifested, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's clearly revealed to be a it's unclear, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's revealed to not really be her clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It is some combination of ah, the physical embodiment of

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<v Speaker 3>a memory that's of her meets the supernatural infused version

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<v Speaker 3>of that. Yeah, it's like Beatle Juice clone whatever Spock

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<v Speaker 3>was thinking of.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Yeah. And it's like weirdly manifesting, like it's saying

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<v Speaker 1>like the to Pring, the to Pring manifestations, saying all

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<v Speaker 1>the things like Spock would want to hear. Kind of right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, yes, it's it's like you know, I would

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<v Speaker 1>you know when you just took me on vacation as

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise. I told you, I you know that I

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<v Speaker 1>do not appreciate surprises. I was wrong to say that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I am in therapy now and I realized

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<v Speaker 1>that I did not get love you the way you

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<v Speaker 1>deserve to be loved. All kinds of stuff that like,

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<v Speaker 1>It's things Spock would want to be hearing from his

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<v Speaker 1>ex girl, right right.

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<v Speaker 3>And why would a It's unclear why a supernatural entity

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<v Speaker 3>would play that long com that way other than to

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<v Speaker 3>lure Spock into a false sense of security to do right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>What's it ultimately trying to do? So it's ultimately trying

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<v Speaker 1>to kill everyone, I guess, But that's what on the Griffin, right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's somehow seducing them. But so it's taking different

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<v Speaker 1>tacks though, But it's sort of seducing Spock with those ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>But with with Kirk, it's really sort of haunting him, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>with the idea of abandoning his son. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of talk about David David Marcus in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a baby, I guess now, and Kirk is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of what's still with Carol Marcus at this point? Or

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<v Speaker 1>kind of and he's having visions or he's hearing David

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<v Speaker 1>crying and he's having visions of David. Thinks David fell

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<v Speaker 1>like behind the control panels and on the bridge right.

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<v Speaker 3>Sequence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's almost like the ghost is acting differently

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<v Speaker 1>or the whatever, the haunting, whatever it is, it's acting,

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<v Speaker 1>it's acting differently from the way it's acting towards Spock

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<v Speaker 1>at first, right, Yeah, And it's also acting differently from

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<v Speaker 1>how it's acting towards Laan, where Laan is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>more more like full on coming face to face with

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<v Speaker 1>the Rose Harper who seems to be the chief ghost

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason. So and I think, like, as much

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<v Speaker 1>as I like the episode, I think that's where I

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<v Speaker 1>butted up against it a little bit because, like they

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the the structure of how this haunting or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it was worked or what it was doing was

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<v Speaker 1>never quite clear to me, and you never got an

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<v Speaker 1>you never get any answers either, right now.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I book into too, Like there's two like

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<v Speaker 3>things like structureally like the after like the first act

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<v Speaker 3>break or two, the crew really isn't doing anything right,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no real goal. Kirk is is waiting for Enterprise

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<v Speaker 3>to show up. Right, Spock's trying to get out of

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<v Speaker 3>sick Bay, and you know, CON's relative is trying.

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<v Speaker 1>She's kind of just like she's sort of amping up

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<v Speaker 1>and saying, you know what, I'm just going to go

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<v Speaker 1>kill my crewmates eventually, right, Like yeah, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>but there there, they're not active. They're not active, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's how haunted house stuff works. And none of

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<v Speaker 3>And then like the last ten minutes the episode is

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, well you can't do that. And you're second,

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<v Speaker 1>They need to know everything, Like you what if they

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't think of that. That's a great.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't make Yeah, that doesn't makes sense. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>then like when you think it through, it doesn't always

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<v Speaker 1>out in the Griffin. It's like, oh, wow, that's that's creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, will there ever be any follow up to that? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Like you so, yeah, will we ever go back

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<v Speaker 3>I was bummed by the Like an X Files episode

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<v Speaker 3>can have that ambiguous thing, you know, but does a

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<v Speaker 3>degree you know, or at least some understanding that they had.

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<v Speaker 3>But before the characters end this episode in a different

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<v Speaker 1>But not.

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<v Speaker 3>Fully, you know, like like they they survived a terrifying

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<v Speaker 3>she becomes more actualized, more comfortable with the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>she's not going to be her fears through this episode

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<v Speaker 3>But she can straddle that because the only family she

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<v Speaker 3>has a starfleet, so she is how alone is she?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? And ghosts Rose Harper feeds on that. But yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't know where if it I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know where they go satisfactorily. Yeah, the end of this,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't know if it's a big enough change.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, I agree, And it's pretty gory, which bothered me,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't need to I didn't need to see

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<v Speaker 3>Off or no, and I will and Mounds a good actor,

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<v Speaker 3>but these two episodes show that there are limits to

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<v Speaker 3>his goodness in terms of range. Yes, I didn't fully

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<v Speaker 3>buy his descent into red remness. Yeah, yeah, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>fully buy his Jack torrentsing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I was digging it with the Spock cutting off the

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<v Speaker 3>tips of his ears. That was some oh ship. So

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<v Speaker 3>there were at that part, I'm like, okay, they're raising

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<v Speaker 3>the stakes. It's about halfway through the episode. How they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to pay all this off? That's this is clearly

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<v Speaker 3>going to be some sort of hallucination, some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>alien specters fucking with them, like they're going to figure

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<v Speaker 3>something out. And then it was like, no, Spock really did,

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<v Speaker 3>like he really does. Oh, okay, that's cool. But the

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<v Speaker 3>going that far down without much of a payoff or

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<v Speaker 1>That, Like yeah, and I'm I guess with him, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea is, oh, he's supposed to be accepting that his

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<v Speaker 1>But but like, it doesn't really line up with the

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<v Speaker 1>chronology of Spock's character if you think about it either, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're we're coming up again, We're coming up. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>assuming we're coming up on the early adventures of him

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<v Speaker 1>working with Captain kirk Soon, where he's very vulcan, right, So, like,

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<v Speaker 1>so it doesn't it doesn't quite add up, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So, And also when they flirt with origins like this,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, or the conflict between this match lining up

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<v Speaker 3>with Cannon, I'm not you know, you know, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>in diatribe, you know, I'm not. But an event like

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<v Speaker 3>this that happens to a character who means so much

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<v Speaker 3>to bout the franchise and the fans of it. Someone's

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<v Speaker 3>bringing this up one time, you would think, right, someone's hey,

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<v Speaker 3>remember that time you were on that ship that was haunted?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and you cut off your own ears.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and you know, yes, yes captain and you you

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<v Speaker 1>were almost killed by the descendant of con NOONI and

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<v Speaker 1>singing right.

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<v Speaker 3>What like during all my time, you know, the spock

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<v Speaker 3>not go like you know, if time were made today,

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<v Speaker 3>there would be some sort of acknowledgment.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, oh yeah, And I mean and also like Kirk

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<v Speaker 1>has to know about to bring at this point, right

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<v Speaker 1>because like again like just in terms of like filing

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<v Speaker 1>the reports of what happened, Like, holy shit, what did

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<v Speaker 1>you see while you were on the Griffin spot? You know? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like it's like because in the mock time,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows about to bring right.

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<v Speaker 3>So right, here's my pitch for a sequel based on

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<v Speaker 3>your idea. Scott Okay, Division twelve had no idea. The

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<v Speaker 3>report was not fully uh de laust. Yes, yes, Enterprise

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<v Speaker 3>is doing its thane and they get a distress call

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<v Speaker 3>fucking escape pod from that toe ship District twelve, and

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<v Speaker 3>they bring they're running from whatever the fuck was happening

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<v Speaker 3>on it. They didn't know about. Why didn't you tell

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<v Speaker 3>us the truth?

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<v Speaker 1>Right now?

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<v Speaker 3>They brought out board of the Enterprise.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that would be good. Boom, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what was my favorite thing in the end,

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<v Speaker 1>And I liked despite our nippicking right now, I like

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<v Speaker 1>the episode because it is so moody and so so

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<v Speaker 1>different and.

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<v Speaker 3>Beautifully shot, beautifully directed, and the first half is very

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<v Speaker 3>successful successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and the three actors are all great also, I

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<v Speaker 1>think incredibly good. Yeah. Yeah, But and I don't. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>of Paul Wesley's Kirk, but like I've basically gotten used

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<v Speaker 1>to him at this point, and now when I just

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<v Speaker 1>accept him as being Okay, this is Kirk, now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>able to kind of say, okay, this is I like

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<v Speaker 1>what he's doing here. Like the stuff with David Marcus

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<v Speaker 1>and Carol is interesting, you know, and it's they're very

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, you're you know, every Kirk dies in space alone.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I liked it anyway, even though it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is liked it, but that but also I like that

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<v Speaker 3>in that it feeds into I've always known a die alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Ruck five Kirk.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, and I also like Kirk's the little touches

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<v Speaker 3>with David.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and they say, David, they say, your son

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<v Speaker 1>is going to die at the end of a bloody

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<v Speaker 1>knife too someday.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that was messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but my favorite oh sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, if you were told that that.

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<v Speaker 1>Would that would come by a supernatural being, right, like

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<v Speaker 1>that would come up in.

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<v Speaker 3>Between Star Treks two and three, you know, that would

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<v Speaker 3>there'd be some That's what bothers me is that they're

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<v Speaker 3>they're doing stuff like that in the face of Cannon

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<v Speaker 3>in a way that cheapens the emotional reality created by

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<v Speaker 3>these beloved Yeah, kind of undercuts their effectiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>Because after Star Trek three, you would think Kirk would

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<v Speaker 3>Someone told me that thirty years ago. Yeah, and I dismissed.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I dismissed. It was a one of a

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<v Speaker 1>You know, right right right, Yeah, that ghost. I never

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<v Speaker 1>thought about it, you know, like that ghost that inhabited

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<v Speaker 1>the descendant of Khan, who we never talk about anymore predicted.

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<v Speaker 1>But my favorite moment in the episode, it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>throwaway gag, but it's when the possessed law On or

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<v Speaker 1>and she's all messed up. She tries to beam or

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That was cool.

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<v Speaker 3>That was really well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was really cool. And then it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>those guys are all illusions anyway, I guess right, which

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<v Speaker 1>was confusing because you pointed out we were texting me

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<v Speaker 1>I think when we watched it or when at some

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<v Speaker 1>in space at this point. If he's just an illusion

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<v Speaker 1>the cat us as a viewer, why would we still

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<v Speaker 1>Why would it be there? It's supposed to be an illusion.

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<v Speaker 1>They're imagining it, you know. So it's like, well, because

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<v Speaker 1>it looks cool basically, but that's.

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<v Speaker 3>The only reason why that exists. It breaks the rules

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<v Speaker 3>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, episode, So yeah, Yeah, it was cool seeing him

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<v Speaker 1>get the newborn from Ellien Resurrection though, where his guts

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<v Speaker 1>were getting sucked out through us. Yes, yeah, okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>want anything else on this one? No?

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<v Speaker 3>I wish we could still talk about it because the

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<v Speaker 3>next episode, I I am not this person. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>watch TV like this. I had to fast forward because

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<v Speaker 3>I struggled to care. Yes, and Alan Sewall summarized this

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<v Speaker 3>episode very well in his recap. For Alan Seppwall, the

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<v Speaker 3>former Rollingstone TV critic, I was trying to put a

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm paraphrasing, but he said, it's like that one

422
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<v Speaker 3>co worker who made everyone laugh once in the office

423
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<v Speaker 3>and now thinks they're the funniest person ever. Wow, and

424
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<v Speaker 3>continues to do that without realizing.

425
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<v Speaker 1>Is he referring to like I think he's referring to

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<v Speaker 1>that the musical episode, not so much the.

427
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<v Speaker 3>Musical episode, but he's referring to like, you know, they

428
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<v Speaker 3>have touched on comedy before in the show and been successful, right,

429
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<v Speaker 3>And they have moment the cast has moments of comedy.

430
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<v Speaker 3>So the show, the producers, the writers, the show seems

431
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<v Speaker 3>to think that because they succeeded okay one time, that

432
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<v Speaker 3>they can sustain a whole farcical episode like this, right,

433
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<v Speaker 3>And that's that's abrasive. It doesn't. This is a bad

434
00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:54.839
<v Speaker 3>episode of Star Trek it's it's it's like the in

435
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<v Speaker 3>the Cards episode of d S nine.

436
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<v Speaker 1>What was that one? I can't remember.

437
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<v Speaker 3>That's the one where Nog and Jake are trying to

438
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<v Speaker 3>get a baseball card for Cisco. Oh yes, right, And

439
00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:12.039
<v Speaker 3>it's this elaborate, fucking contemplary. It's the lowest stakes, but

440
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:15.720
<v Speaker 3>they complicate it well. Right. It puts these two together

441
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 3>in a way that's very interesting to watch. These two

442
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<v Speaker 3>are just trying to figure out what the hell happened

443
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<v Speaker 3>to them, get their ship, get their shuttle, all that.

444
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and.

445
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<v Speaker 3>Mounts comedic skills.

446
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Cringey.

447
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<v Speaker 3>I didn't buy him drunk. I didn't buy that he

448
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.599
<v Speaker 3>would get these tattoos. I also don't buy the premise

449
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<v Speaker 3>of the episode that I understand that they need to

450
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:46.559
<v Speaker 3>decompress before this very important negotiation, But would you really

451
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<v Speaker 3>choose a planet whose atmosphere can get you drunk right

452
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<v Speaker 3>few days before the Yeah, it's all important thing, Like,

453
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<v Speaker 3>aren't you worried?

454
00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Like that's the whole setup right there there. Yeah, the

455
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<v Speaker 1>crews would really tightly and so they go they're going

456
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<v Speaker 1>to go to basically it's a pleasure planet type deal, right,

457
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:10.319
<v Speaker 1>and essentially, Yeah, the atmosphere gets you essentially inebriated. They

458
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<v Speaker 1>call it atmospheric inebriation, right right, and so, but I

459
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.640
<v Speaker 1>mean the it's not synth the whole effects. Like these

460
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<v Speaker 1>people are like out of their minds wasted, it seems.

461
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<v Speaker 3>And completely different people like Ahura.

462
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, completely different people. And like for I said

463
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<v Speaker 1>this in my review for IGN, but like for Pike

464
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<v Speaker 1>to allow himself to be seen that way by his

465
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<v Speaker 1>crew would be so I feel like, I feel like

466
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<v Speaker 1>it would be so confidence shattering for his under for

467
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<v Speaker 1>his underlings, they would never be like seeing your dad

468
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.480
<v Speaker 1>drunk for the first time or something like he would

469
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.880
<v Speaker 1>never liked, never seen him say drunk.

470
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<v Speaker 3>He gets a Mike Tyson facial tattoo.

471
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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, yeah, he can barely talk. Thought I

472
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<v Speaker 1>thought that it was a chacotate tattoo or yeah, we'll

473
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<v Speaker 1>call it the chacote Tyson but uh, but he's the

474
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<v Speaker 1>way he can. It's like he can barely talk. He's

475
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.759
<v Speaker 1>like so out of character. Like I really like times

476
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:16.039
<v Speaker 1>like that, Like it's almost like I skiv ants in

477
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Speaker 1>mount right, because it's like like rap rein it in man,

478
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Like I know you guys, like you one time, you

479
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:26.759
<v Speaker 1>described this cast so well as having big drama drama

480
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:27.720
<v Speaker 1>club energy.

481
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:28.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they do.

482
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:31.599
<v Speaker 1>They're big ye breads and when it when it works,

483
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.400
<v Speaker 1>it works. But then it's there's times like this where

484
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:39.640
<v Speaker 1>the material doesn't give it doesn't do them any help.

485
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:43.079
<v Speaker 1>And no, I think like Mount should have reined it

486
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:44.559
<v Speaker 1>in in this case.

487
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.440
<v Speaker 3>And Pike should Pipe should You're right, Scott like it?

488
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and like.

489
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.759
<v Speaker 3>The behavior is so out of regardless of your your

490
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:57.000
<v Speaker 3>atmosphere is made out of long island ized teas, like

491
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:04.079
<v Speaker 3>regardless of that, Pike should have known better. And if

492
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 3>this confidence shattering beat. And again, that's a really very

493
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.920
<v Speaker 3>awesome observation I wish I picked up on. That was

494
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:16.400
<v Speaker 3>probably too busy to pass forward. But the follow through

495
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:18.599
<v Speaker 3>that would be like, Hey, I know I'm trying to

496
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 3>be the cool dad, the cool captain, but I overstepped

497
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.000
<v Speaker 3>and I let my crew down. I got to rein

498
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:31.400
<v Speaker 3>that in and he like overcorrects, has to try to

499
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.920
<v Speaker 3>find like a balance. Like there's an episode there especially

500
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:38.559
<v Speaker 3>coming off of Hey, I think we got to let

501
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 3>genocide happen because of a hunch that kicked off the season.

502
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:47.839
<v Speaker 3>Ah me crazy, But I got this magic eight ball

503
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:53.960
<v Speaker 3>gut feeling. We're supposed to observe an entire civilization die

504
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.880
<v Speaker 3>so that ours can live. But let's see how it

505
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:58.519
<v Speaker 3>plays out space.

506
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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is then, so yeah, and it's it's

507
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Melissa Navia and who plays ortegas in Martin Quinn, right,

508
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>And so it's their episode mainly, and so they're going

509
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.759
<v Speaker 1>around trying to like it's basically for an hour. Yeah,

510
00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>they hang over for an hour basically, And and I

511
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<v Speaker 1>actually think, you know, I can't. I hate to say it.

512
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I hate to admit it. I can't understand half of

513
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>what Martin Quinn is saying.

514
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I struggle with it too, man, And we watch.

515
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.400
<v Speaker 1>These screeners which don't have subtitles or at least mind

516
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:35.039
<v Speaker 1>own I don't think. I don't think they do in general,

517
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.519
<v Speaker 1>So it's hard to understand him. And then but but

518
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:41.759
<v Speaker 1>he I thought he was funny. But I think Melissa

519
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Navia is like the most under used person on this shows.

520
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.839
<v Speaker 1>This episode, she despite everything, she succeeds in this episode.

521
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.599
<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, she does. And then Martin Quinn as

522
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.119
<v Speaker 1>a result kind of rides along with her and like,

523
00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and so the two of them they have a nice

524
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, nice moment at the end and all, but

525
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.319
<v Speaker 1>like the fact that by the end of the episode

526
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>when they leave the planet and then they're back on

527
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:09.279
<v Speaker 1>the ship to the peace negotiations negotiations, and they're still drunk.

528
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>And this is negotiations to settle a civil war, right,

529
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's not They're not negotiating a trade agreement.

530
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.359
<v Speaker 1>They're not negotiating who you know, who gets to go

531
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>see the Odyssey in imax or you know, Like it's

532
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 1>like this is they're negotiating us between warring factions in

533
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:31.519
<v Speaker 1>the civil war. And Pike is like, you know what,

534
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to walk into this with my crew drunk

535
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>and and hope I pull this off. Yeah, Like like

536
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>that is so like, I mean they should be court

537
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>martialed for that. Actually, and they and the episode is

538
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.319
<v Speaker 1>about alpha shift and they they're actually it's about the

539
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:50.079
<v Speaker 1>three shift rotation, and like, like they should have and

540
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.039
<v Speaker 1>again I said this is my jam review too, but

541
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>like they should they should have called in Beta shift

542
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>to do those peace negotiations. They were not in any condition,

543
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 1>you know. So the episode is so flawed. It's not

544
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 1>funny for the most part. Right, Like the I don't

545
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:09.559
<v Speaker 1>know the gimmicks like whether is it Kirk's spot things

546
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Kirk's an illusion the whole time turns out of the hand.

547
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that doesn't work. It doesn't work right, Yeah, so

548
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 3>and that whole bit like it it's a hat on

549
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:22.400
<v Speaker 3>a hat, like it keeps hitting the same note.

550
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep, yep.

551
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 3>And I I agree with Trek Corter's assessment of the episode.

552
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 3>Drunk people are fun when you are also drunk right

553
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.680
<v Speaker 3>deeply annoying when you are sober, and we are sober

554
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 3>watching them.

555
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:42.079
<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, speak for yourself, but.

556
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna I butcher. I feel like I didn't

557
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.720
<v Speaker 3>do Alan seven Wall's assessment justice, so I just wanted

558
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<v Speaker 3>to share it. Human best friend asked the eternal question,

559
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 3>what if the hangover? But make it star Trek. We're

560
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:58.160
<v Speaker 3>once stranging world's comedy episodes fell both nimble and charming

561
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.960
<v Speaker 3>changes the pace. Now they have the air of your

562
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.480
<v Speaker 3>coworker who got a big laugh in a department meeting

563
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:07.279
<v Speaker 3>once and now fancy themselves the office comedian. That is

564
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.680
<v Speaker 3>a I think you should leave now sketch to me.

565
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 3>You know, Yeah, but that's a great way to summarize it.

566
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.680
<v Speaker 3>Several of the cast members, in particular, Antson Mount and

567
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.519
<v Speaker 3>Ethan Peck proved to be surprisingly good comic actors, but

568
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.519
<v Speaker 3>surprisingly is doing a lot of work here. They can

569
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.720
<v Speaker 3>do it and sometimes do it quite well, but it's

570
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.359
<v Speaker 3>not their default performing state, and the more you ask

571
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.519
<v Speaker 3>them to do it, the more the returns diminish.

572
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep, it's true. It's true. Yeah. So do you READT.

573
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.839
<v Speaker 1>Sepenwall's newsletter or is this.

574
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 3>It's his newsletter?

575
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:44.839
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you subscribe to it?

576
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:47.759
<v Speaker 3>I do, I don't pay for it.

577
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, So there is a because there is an

578
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>unpaid version. I guess you get partial, yes.

579
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.680
<v Speaker 3>And you get partial stuff. That's enough for me.

580
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, listen, sorry, I mean everyone has a newsletter

581
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:08.319
<v Speaker 1>these days, and I mean sepn Wall is doing okay,

582
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>seven walls, seven walls, like the Enterprise Post Wriker, it's

583
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna go along to separate. Wall is gonna go along

584
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 1>just fine without us. So okay, yeah, this not great,

585
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 1>not a great situation. And I mean he's right because

586
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and that's why when you mentioned it earlier, I was like, oh,

587
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:28.599
<v Speaker 1>did he mean the musical episode? Because I feel like,

588
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:33.480
<v Speaker 1>strangely worlds fell into this pattern of like like we

589
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>have to do gimmicks, right, and I felt like this

590
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>season was maybe getting away from that a little bit.

591
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if it is, but like, you know,

592
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:44.519
<v Speaker 1>like the the musical, the travel back.

593
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.720
<v Speaker 3>But the karaoke thing, the totally clips of the heartbeat.

594
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 3>I dug that it went on too long.

595
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but she was I mean she she must have

596
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>worked hard to get all that, all that dialogue, right,

597
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:58.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, that that of course, but then you know,

598
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 1>like Nurse Chap was playing bingo with these homicidal aliens

599
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:03.960
<v Speaker 1>or something, is like.

600
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't buy Yeah. And also, I Scott, I think

601
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 3>you touched on this a few moments ago, but the

602
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.599
<v Speaker 3>the inconsistency of how the planet affects the crew, Yeah,

603
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.239
<v Speaker 3>it seems to affect him in whatever way the plot

604
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 3>needs them to be affected.

605
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, So okay, probably better

606
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.639
<v Speaker 1>to end it there. I don't know what else there

607
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:32.880
<v Speaker 1>is to say about, you.

608
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Know, I I the commercial for the hotel that they're at.

609
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.039
<v Speaker 1>There's some Easter eggs in that, right, Yeah.

610
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:45.039
<v Speaker 3>It's it's it's got that TV Funhouse Original Series animation.

611
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.800
<v Speaker 4>Style, yeah, which I dug almost looked like they might

612
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:52.239
<v Speaker 4>have recycled it from Do you remember when they did

613
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.880
<v Speaker 4>those like the very short tracks a couple of years ago,

614
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:58.920
<v Speaker 4>which were like weird comedic little.

615
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Thing anime, that thing. It was the guy that did

616
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<v Speaker 1>what's his name, the guy the guy who did the

617
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>ship I'm blanking on his name and his most famous project,

618
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 1>here's that movie, Buddy coming out this summer, is the

619
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:18.039
<v Speaker 1>guy that did the the adult swim thing Too many Cooks?

620
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember too Many? Oh? Yeah, he did these.

621
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<v Speaker 1>He did these very they were called them very short trek,

622
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.199
<v Speaker 1>very short treks, And there were these like two or

623
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<v Speaker 1>three minute animated things that they did on Paramoun Plus

624
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 1>for Star Trek a few years ago, and there was

625
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.639
<v Speaker 1>like zany They were adult swim style zany animated things.

626
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<v Speaker 1>The animation and the ad for the for Dave Foley's

627
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Planet looked to me like they might have almost been

628
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<v Speaker 1>recycling old artwork from those shorts. That interesting, Okay to

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<v Speaker 1>check that out, but I don't know, maybe not. But

630
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<v Speaker 1>also I like Dave Foley and Star Trek. Yeah, except

631
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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have anything to do really right, you know, So.

632
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<v Speaker 3>Trivia on the you go ahead.

633
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<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe this is what you're going to say but

634
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<v Speaker 1>like one of those one of the people in the

635
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<v Speaker 1>animated It's only a couple of shots, but so it's

636
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<v Speaker 1>it looks like Andrea from what the Little Girls made

637
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<v Speaker 1>of she's wearing the outfit as right.

638
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<v Speaker 3>And there's a an Andorian from Journey to Babbel. Yes

639
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<v Speaker 3>or the Spy, I should say yes, yes, Trek Carr

640
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<v Speaker 3>pointed out, I missed this. I wish I saw it

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<v Speaker 3>in the records of that room that Scotti Artagis wake

642
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<v Speaker 3>up in. There's a triple and the remote controlled vehicle

643
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<v Speaker 3>that Alexander uses in Rascals.

644
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<v Speaker 1>Really yeah about I saw the triple. I didn't notice

645
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<v Speaker 1>the roote control and also Scotty's wearing the Mugatu costume

646
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<v Speaker 1>that they used on Starfleet Academy in one right, like.

647
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<v Speaker 3>Glad to see that survive hundreds of years.

648
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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's it. We move on to the replemt

649
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<v Speaker 1>Oh real quick though. You want to you love this episode,

650
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<v Speaker 1>you want to keep talking about it.

651
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<v Speaker 3>I love this little trivia. So I did not know this.

652
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<v Speaker 3>James Doohan, due to an injury from his service in

653
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<v Speaker 3>World War Two, he was missing part of his finger.

654
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<v Speaker 3>Oh then he went to yeah me neither and he

655
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<v Speaker 3>went to great lengths to hide it from the camera.

656
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:26.159
<v Speaker 3>While on Star Trek, I got given that history. There's

657
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<v Speaker 3>a joke at the end of this week's episode about

658
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<v Speaker 3>Scott blows off a finger.

659
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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, that's a little weird. Yeah, you know, for

660
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<v Speaker 1>what's supposed to be for what's supposed to be a

661
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 1>comedy episode to end on that gag where his thumb

662
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>is literally hanging off of his hand and it's bloody,

663
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and now to hear that it's actually oh it's some

664
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<v Speaker 1>kind of weird homage to the James Doing actually losing

665
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<v Speaker 1>a part of his finger in the war. How weird

666
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<v Speaker 1>and grizzly is that? Ah? Man? All right, now we

667
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<v Speaker 1>have now we have to go to the Replemat to

668
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<v Speaker 1>wash our wash our mouths of this right to wish

669
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<v Speaker 1>the taste out of our mouths. Yeah, let's do it.

670
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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to the Replemat to get something to eat.

671
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<v Speaker 1>You want me to go first for a change, Sure, Okay,

672
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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna recommend a movie which is thirty two years old.

673
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:30.880
<v Speaker 1>It's the documentary Crumb about the Super duck Man. Yeah,

674
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:37.559
<v Speaker 1>the famous comics with an X I guess Robert Crumb,

675
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the artist, the great Robert Crumb. It's a terrific, you know,

676
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>unsettling and disturbing, but but really and entertaining, I guess,

677
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:52.719
<v Speaker 1>and moving documentary about Crumb, not just Crumb, but about

678
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:57.239
<v Speaker 1>his family dysfunctional family came from. We meet his two brothers,

679
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 1>who are you know, never keep the level of success

680
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:03.880
<v Speaker 1>that he did to say the least, but are very

681
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:07.400
<v Speaker 1>interesting artists characters in their own right. Uh. And it

682
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 1>delves into all of comes weird proclivities and how he

683
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<v Speaker 1>became the guy he was despite all the hurdles that

684
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<v Speaker 1>he faced. And it's this sort of unsparing look at

685
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the artists and that it's it's by Terry's, So I

686
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.920
<v Speaker 1>go off, who went on to make like Art School Confidential?

687
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 1>And Yeah, what's the one with the young scult Rowhanson

688
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and and Steve Buscemi and Ghost World? Yeah that's I

689
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:42.360
<v Speaker 1>think that's what also Terry's. But but yeah, it's really

690
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<v Speaker 1>good if you're if you have any interest in like

691
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:49.280
<v Speaker 1>the comics industry, or even just documentaries or even just

692
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>human nature, I recommend Crumb. The reason I bring it

693
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<v Speaker 1>up is my son wanted had wanted to see it

694
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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. He'd heard me talk about it,

695
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<v Speaker 1>and we finally put it on the other night and

696
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>we couldn't stop. Like we came home, it's like twelve

697
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<v Speaker 1>thirty at night. I was like, oh, you want to

698
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<v Speaker 1>just put Crumb on? And I didn't think we'd actually

699
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<v Speaker 1>watch the whole thing right there, but we wound up.

700
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<v Speaker 1>Just why we were up till three in the morning

701
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<v Speaker 1>watching it. It's just it's gripping. It's so good. So

702
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<v Speaker 1>that's my tick.

703
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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's streaming on streaming for free some oh

705
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<v Speaker 1>on the Roku channel, I think is where we watched.

706
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<v Speaker 3>It, Okay, and that's what ads.

707
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<v Speaker 1>It is with ads unfortunately. Yes, but I'm a cheap motherfucker,

708
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<v Speaker 1>and I was not willing to pay the two ninety

709
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<v Speaker 1>nine to rent to write rent the digital copy.

710
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<v Speaker 3>So I hear you, man, I get it. I only

711
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<v Speaker 3>rent if I have I don't like giving my business

712
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<v Speaker 3>to Amazon, but I only rent if I have Amazon credits.

713
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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I'll got that off there. I'm kind of

714
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the same way. Yeah, what about you.

715
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to recommend a Hulu series that was dumped

716
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:58.920
<v Speaker 3>late July, but don't be fooled. It's really good. It's furious.

717
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh Okay, I was wondering about that.

718
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, from Liz U Meriwether, she created the New Girl

719
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<v Speaker 3>And who would have thought that the created of the

720
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:10.360
<v Speaker 3>New Girl could pull off a cop show?

721
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Right? Yeah, it is.

722
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:19.639
<v Speaker 3>The very timely, very riveting. Like I was shocked at

723
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.679
<v Speaker 3>how much I liked it because it was completely not

724
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:28.079
<v Speaker 3>in my zip code of watching. Yeah, but it starts

725
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:33.440
<v Speaker 3>at Emmy Ross and from Shameless and Mystic River? Is

726
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:35.920
<v Speaker 3>that my daughter in there? She's the daughter in there?

727
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:45.480
<v Speaker 3>From Mystic River? She plays a burnout FBI agent former

728
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.639
<v Speaker 3>n IPD cop who is assigned to what appears to

729
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:54.840
<v Speaker 3>be a serial killer murder case in connected to some

730
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 3>Epstein level sex trafficking.

731
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, okay, and.

732
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:04.639
<v Speaker 3>The killer as unique ties to the trafficking.

733
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And it's it's very much.

734
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<v Speaker 3>You know, you know, if you were on Team Luigi

735
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 3>when that healthcare CEO was taken out. It's it's inspired

736
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<v Speaker 3>seemingly by that and what's talking on the last couple

737
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<v Speaker 3>of years. But man, these episodes, the cliffhangers?

738
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<v Speaker 1>Is itwing?

739
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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe it's. I think it's still a weekly.

740
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<v Speaker 3>But I had screeners and we binged it in three nights.

741
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:37.719
<v Speaker 3>We would have done too, but it was like one

742
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.639
<v Speaker 3>two in the morning. Yeah right, Yeah, it's great acting,

743
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:47.719
<v Speaker 3>incredible performances. Trigger warning. You know, there is a lot

744
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:53.400
<v Speaker 3>of discussion depiction of sexual assault. Sure, but uh it's

745
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:54.639
<v Speaker 3>a it's a very well made show.

746
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Yeah, I was wondering about that. I kept seeing

747
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 1>press releases as it tough for it, and I couldn't

748
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:03.119
<v Speaker 1>get my hand spin man. Okay, okay, did you say

749
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Emmy Rosham was in Mystic River.

750
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's she's She's Champan's daughter. Oh wow, my daughter

751
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:18.559
<v Speaker 3>in there. Okay, Okay, that's the only thing.

752
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, A couple of good ones. Maybe not the most

753
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>like cheery optimistic picks this week, but what can we

754
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:29.639
<v Speaker 1>what can we tell you?

755
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're welcome.

756
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Well on that note, you, Yeah, if you want to

757
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 1>get really optimistic, let's go to the Red Shirt of

758
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 1>the Week.

759
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Attention all crew, please don your dress uniforms and prepare

760
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.679
<v Speaker 2>the photon torpedo coffins. It's time for the Red Shirt

761
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:52.199
<v Speaker 2>of the Week.

762
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.960
<v Speaker 3>We're revisiting the Griffin. I was gonna do a first

763
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:10.840
<v Speaker 3>contact one, but I'm gonna save that since we're talking

764
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:18.719
<v Speaker 3>about the Griffin. Uh on the long list of crew

765
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:22.599
<v Speaker 3>members who were either stab strangled, or dumped into space

766
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:26.760
<v Speaker 3>by the evil Rose Harper or the turned evil Rose Harper.

767
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.239
<v Speaker 3>We're going off the casualty reports.

768
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Crewman A Bara, Okay.

769
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:36.639
<v Speaker 3>Maybe they were one of the specters that showed up

770
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:40.239
<v Speaker 3>in the engine room. Okay when the hands down there,

771
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:48.320
<v Speaker 3>but uh, very creepy scene. There's Andorians mixed in there.

772
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 3>There's just that crew did not go gently into that

773
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:57.280
<v Speaker 3>good night. But yeah, or we're gonna pour out some

774
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:04.639
<v Speaker 3>uh I know, what is little David like to drink milk? Well,

775
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:06.400
<v Speaker 3>sippy cup of space.

776
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Milk, some Carol Marcus milk.

777
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so some some synth Scott Gross, some baby Syntha

778
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:17.199
<v Speaker 3>Hall like some approved replicator juice. Pour that out and

779
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 3>and I hope their fate was better than fake Kirk's brothers.

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00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Crewman Abara, Okay, yeah, we hardly knew you. We hardly

781
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:28.519
<v Speaker 1>knew the whole crew of the Griffin for that matter, right,

782
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 1>but we didn't never never even knew the Griffin existed.

783
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.760
<v Speaker 3>So no, and I wish I got to know Chief Baboo.

784
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.000
<v Speaker 3>I saw that name on the report. I wonder who

785
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:37.400
<v Speaker 3>that is.

786
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, they have a life. They have a lot of

787
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:43.880
<v Speaker 1>judging by the ghosts or whatever they are. They have

788
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of andorians on that crew. Actually, right, like

789
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:50.960
<v Speaker 1>these are a fewans floating around. That's right, all right,

790
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Well I guess that'll do it. Thanks as always, Phil, Yeah.

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00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.119
<v Speaker 3>Thank you Scott, and thank you guys for listening. Please

792
00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:59.320
<v Speaker 3>sound off on what do you guys think of these episodes.

793
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Let us know your thoughts on both, especially you know,

794
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:09.760
<v Speaker 3>drunken buffoonery the episode. And thank you all for listening.

795
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<v Speaker 3>It's really fun to do this. We're we're glad you

796
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:15.320
<v Speaker 3>hang out with us. Until next time, CI on Gravette Island,

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<v Speaker 3>H