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Speaker 3: How you doing, mister Scott.
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. Yeah. It's a strange New World's
Speaker 1: time of year for us. I guess it's also the
Speaker 1: Vegas Con time of year as we record this. Right,
Speaker 1: creation it called the Creation Creation Con, Creation Vegas. What. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not one of the cool kids, right,
Speaker 1: I'm watching everyone at the Vegas cond I'm watching from
Speaker 1: the sidelines as like the metaphorical football hero scores the
Speaker 1: game winning touchdown, right, except it's a nerd. It's some
Speaker 1: nerd dressed up as Q from encounter at far point
Speaker 1: instead of a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Hey, that's that's a good nerd costume.
Speaker 1: Though it is a good nerdsto.
Speaker 3: They can rock it out.
Speaker 1: Probably gets pretty sweaty in there after a while though,
Speaker 1: right the hood and and everything very I'm guessing extremely
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's going on. We're missing it once again.
Speaker 1: We always say we're going to go and then we
Speaker 1: never go.
Speaker 3: At this point that the surprise will be if we
Speaker 3: actually do go.
Speaker 1: Well, I said to the wall last night, I was like,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, man, the Vegas CON's going on. I
Speaker 1: didn't even realize. And uh, She's like, oh, what would
Speaker 1: you would you actually want to go to that? And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I guess i'd want to go
Speaker 1: for an afternoon, you know, like just just to beam
Speaker 1: in for a little while, check it out, and then
Speaker 1: go home and then go home. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I really would want to go do
Speaker 1: with like the full weekend or anything like, right, because
Speaker 1: it started to start yesterday, so Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Speaker 1: It's long. It's a long time, right, It's a very
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also, like you and I have sat through some
Speaker 1: of these panels and stuff over the years, like like
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I need to hear
Speaker 1: Gates McFadden, who I love. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: times I need to hear Gates McFadden tell the same
Speaker 1: stories about you know whatever, like about.
Speaker 3: I could send here a little bit more, like like
Speaker 3: about Genesis, like shooting Genesis. I would love to hear.
Speaker 1: Oh right, which she directed well, because I I actually
Speaker 1: you might. You might have heard Phil I went on
Speaker 1: the Star Trek Cruise one time.
Speaker 3: No, I've never heard this. This is all.
Speaker 1: She did the whole She did a whole hour long
Speaker 1: panel about directing Gendesis where she played She played the
Speaker 1: episode and would pause it and up on the big
Speaker 1: screen and she she broke was breaking down scenes and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really cool. Actually was freaking cool. Yeah it
Speaker 1: was great. So so you know what, I take it back.
Speaker 1: I bet there's actually a lot of really cool panels
Speaker 1: like that at the Vegas Con. Also, so you know,
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so anti comic con these days that
Speaker 1: it's spilling into my Vegas Con our for our former
Speaker 1: Vegas Con hopes and dreams spilling into that. So I
Speaker 1: gotta I have to build up. Yeah, I gotta build
Speaker 1: up some kind of a community. Yeah, well I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, uh, some ship. How a static warpshell? Uh?
Speaker 3: Any time line?
Speaker 1: All right, anyway, so what are we gonna do it?
Speaker 1: What are we doing? We're gonna talk about changing the
Speaker 1: world here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got back to back baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we're talking about episodes two and three. Full spoilers.
Speaker 1: This is the Griffin Incident and Human best Friend. So
Speaker 1: sort of maybe you could say the highs and the
Speaker 1: lows of the season so far. It's only only three
Speaker 1: episodes in, but Griffin Incident's really good. Human best Friend
Speaker 1: kind of sucks, right it is. You gonna start with
Speaker 1: the good or the bad. Let's start with the good, okay, Griffin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were hinting about this one, right. It's a ghost
Speaker 1: story or a haunted house stor or something. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: a horror episode of Star Trek.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fair and it's not the first time Star
Speaker 3: Trek has done a horror episode. It's the first time
Speaker 3: they've done like a horror episode like this, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: full out and it was they shut the hell out
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: It was. It was very well directed in that regard, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: very moody.
Speaker 3: The special effects were really solid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh Axcel Caroline directed it. Who I'm not
Speaker 1: familiar with uh, but I believe you said that she is.
Speaker 1: She's on our buddy Jordan Hoffman's podcast this week talking about.
Speaker 3: The episode for the relaunch star Log.
Speaker 1: Yeah, star logo. All your old timers out there, if
Speaker 1: you remember star.
Speaker 3: Log, you set starlog all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Uh, star Log is coming back. It's the
Speaker 1: same people that revived Fangoria and Jordan, Jordan and another friend,
Speaker 1: uh or for another friend of the podcast, this guy,
Speaker 1: Dave Gonzalez. Those those guys are running the podcast for
Speaker 1: star Log and uh, they're also doing a newsletter I think.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Anyway, they have the director of the Griffin into the
Speaker 1: non I haven't listened to it yet. I wanted I
Speaker 1: wanted to. Yeah, you're right, it's very mood it's a
Speaker 1: very moody episode. So the Nuts and Baltimore are just
Speaker 1: that la on Spock and Kirk. Is he lieutenant I guess?
Speaker 1: Or is he a lieutenant commander at this point.
Speaker 3: I think he's attempts to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure. He might just be lieutenant, which
Speaker 1: is quite a rise through the ranks, considering he's gonna
Speaker 1: be captain pretty soon, right soon.
Speaker 3: Well, he's the greatest captain.
Speaker 1: That's true. Uh he The three of them were back
Speaker 1: from us like Starfleet Leadership seminar or something real rail
Speaker 1: brown nosing event that they attend, and they they run
Speaker 1: into this this abandoned ship, the USS Griffin, which has
Speaker 1: been missing for years. Looks like it's a Constitution class ship, right,
Speaker 1: it seems.
Speaker 3: To be, Yeah, a redress of Enterprise.
Speaker 1: Yeah so, and the exterior as well looked the same,
Speaker 1: and so the ship's been miss missing for years.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I was gonna say, you gotta love the the
Speaker 3: original series would redress a lot, Yes, the Enterprise a lot,
Speaker 3: the other ships. You gotta love that they're continuing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It makes it a bottle episode,
Speaker 1: and as much as one of these can be a
Speaker 1: bottle episode because they still have some fancy visual effects.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, so they so the ship is, they
Speaker 1: can't find anyone on board. There's nothing wrong with the
Speaker 1: ship as far as they can tell, but it's also
Speaker 1: not operating correctly. And then they realize it's it's maybe
Speaker 1: it's haunted. I don't know. There's this woman walking around
Speaker 1: who keeps to Rose Harper. Yes, yeah, it turns out
Speaker 1: it's the farmer security chief, right, who is sort of
Speaker 1: sort of gets into Lan's head. She kind of jack
Speaker 1: Torrance's lawn. I would say, yes, yes, yeah, and they
Speaker 1: all sort of split Oh sorry, keep coming, you go ahead, man, No,
Speaker 1: you go. I was just gonna say they all sort
Speaker 1: of split off at some point and have their own
Speaker 1: mini mini horror adventure on board, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Spocks is relegated to sick Bay.
Speaker 1: Yes where uh.
Speaker 3: What is her name, Scott? That's not tol to bring
Speaker 3: to bring to Pring sorry? Yeah. To Pring is manifested, Yes,
Speaker 3: and it's clearly revealed to be a it's unclear, but
Speaker 3: it's revealed to not really be her clearly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: It is some combination of ah, the physical embodiment of
Speaker 3: a memory that's of her meets the supernatural infused version
Speaker 3: of that. Yeah, it's like Beatle Juice clone whatever Spock
Speaker 3: was thinking of.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. And it's like weirdly manifesting, like it's saying
Speaker 1: like the to Pring, the to Pring manifestations, saying all
Speaker 1: the things like Spock would want to hear. Kind of right,
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, it's it's like you know, I would
Speaker 1: you know when you just took me on vacation as
Speaker 1: a surprise. I told you, I you know that I
Speaker 1: do not appreciate surprises. I was wrong to say that.
Speaker 1: You know, I am in therapy now and I realized
Speaker 1: that I did not get love you the way you
Speaker 1: deserve to be loved. All kinds of stuff that like,
Speaker 1: It's things Spock would want to be hearing from his
Speaker 1: ex girl, right right.
Speaker 3: And why would a It's unclear why a supernatural entity
Speaker 3: would play that long com that way other than to
Speaker 3: lure Spock into a false sense of security to do right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but what is it?
Speaker 1: What's it ultimately trying to do? So it's ultimately trying
Speaker 1: to kill everyone, I guess, But that's what on the Griffin, right, So,
Speaker 1: but it's somehow seducing them. But so it's taking different
Speaker 1: tacks though, But it's sort of seducing Spock with those ideas.
Speaker 1: But with with Kirk, it's really sort of haunting him, uh,
Speaker 1: with the idea of abandoning his son. This is a
Speaker 1: lot of talk about David David Marcus in this episode.
Speaker 1: There's a baby, I guess now, and Kirk is sort
Speaker 1: of what's still with Carol Marcus at this point? Or
Speaker 1: kind of and he's having visions or he's hearing David
Speaker 1: crying and he's having visions of David. Thinks David fell
Speaker 1: like behind the control panels and on the bridge right.
Speaker 3: Sequence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's almost like the ghost is acting differently
Speaker 1: or the whatever, the haunting, whatever it is, it's acting,
Speaker 1: it's acting differently from the way it's acting towards Spock
Speaker 1: at first, right, Yeah, And it's also acting differently from
Speaker 1: how it's acting towards Laan, where Laan is sort of
Speaker 1: more more like full on coming face to face with
Speaker 1: the Rose Harper who seems to be the chief ghost
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. So and I think, like, as much
Speaker 1: as I like the episode, I think that's where I
Speaker 1: butted up against it a little bit because, like they
Speaker 1: sort of the the structure of how this haunting or
Speaker 1: whatever it was worked or what it was doing was
Speaker 1: never quite clear to me, and you never got an
Speaker 1: you never get any answers either, right now.
Speaker 3: That's what I book into too, Like there's two like
Speaker 3: things like structureally like the after like the first act
Speaker 3: break or two, the crew really isn't doing anything right,
Speaker 3: there's no real goal. Kirk is is waiting for Enterprise
Speaker 3: to show up. Right, Spock's trying to get out of
Speaker 3: sick Bay, and you know, CON's relative is trying.
Speaker 1: She's kind of just like she's sort of amping up
Speaker 1: and saying, you know what, I'm just going to go
Speaker 1: kill my crewmates eventually, right, Like yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but there there, they're not active. They're not active, I think,
Speaker 1: is what you're saying, Like, yeah, yeah, there's.
Speaker 3: No active goal. And I know, like you know, in
Speaker 3: a haunted house, like your goal is to get back
Speaker 3: someone who was taken get out of the house, get
Speaker 3: them back to get out of the house. Or you
Speaker 3: have to defeat or overcome a physical problem or a
Speaker 3: thematic one tied to the physical problem to get out.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: That's that's how haunted house stuff works. And none of
Speaker 3: that is really here. So then like the second so
Speaker 3: the second thing that I bumped into is like the
Speaker 3: ending of it is you know, it's like a fairy tale,
Speaker 3: you know, like you can you can have a goal
Speaker 3: in a fairy tale and not get it and not
Speaker 3: have a reward. But you can't have the goal and
Speaker 3: not have the reward manifest this way, you know, like
Speaker 3: you would have to Yeah, there has to be something.
Speaker 3: It's just well, what do you think it is?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And then like the last ten minutes the episode is
Speaker 3: kind of like an epilogue and it's trying to like
Speaker 3: do the ambiguity and ambiguous ending type thing, but even
Speaker 3: Pike's explanation for it isn't very satisfying in that area.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's the button you want to put on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make sense. And he's like he's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and by the way, I'm going to falsify
Speaker 1: the logs, like I'm going to admit all this info
Speaker 1: so you don't get in trouble to law and.
Speaker 3: They've been down this road before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, well you can't do that. And you're second,
Speaker 1: you're sending these poor Section twelve bastards in to investigate now, uh,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be going in with only half the story.
Speaker 1: They need to know everything, Like you what if they
Speaker 1: get this?
Speaker 3: I didn't think of that. That's a great.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make Yeah, that doesn't makes sense. And then the
Speaker 1: closing shot, which is it's and that's the thing. I
Speaker 1: think the episode's really creepy, which is is great, but
Speaker 1: then like when you think it through, it doesn't always
Speaker 1: make sense, but that the closing shot where that the
Speaker 1: Rose Harper ghost is kind of like puts her finger
Speaker 1: to her lips like to a law and sees her
Speaker 1: out in the Griffin. It's like, oh, wow, that's that's creepy.
Speaker 1: But like, will there ever be any follow up to that? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think has that ship's been towed?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Like you so, yeah, will we ever go back
Speaker 3: to Division twelve?
Speaker 1: I don't, ye know, I somehow I don't think so,
Speaker 1: but I guess we'll find out. They name dropped it
Speaker 1: enough that you would think they would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I doubt they were just laying that up, but.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I was bummed by the Like an X Files episode
Speaker 3: can have that ambiguous thing, you know, but does a
Speaker 3: wrap up with Mulder and Scully's character right to some
Speaker 3: degree you know, or at least some understanding that they had.
Speaker 3: But before the characters end this episode in a different
Speaker 3: places than they started.
Speaker 1: But not.
Speaker 3: Fully, you know, like like they they survived a terrifying
Speaker 3: experience and learned a little bit more about themselves, Like, uh,
Speaker 3: she becomes more actualized, more comfortable with the fact that
Speaker 3: she's not going to be her fears through this episode
Speaker 3: is I'm gonna be go, I'm gonna embrace my kindness.
Speaker 3: But she can straddle that because the only family she
Speaker 3: has a starfleet, so she is how alone is she?
Speaker 3: You know? And ghosts Rose Harper feeds on that. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know where if it I don't
Speaker 3: know where they go satisfactorily. Yeah, the end of this,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if it's a big enough change.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I agree, And it's pretty gory, which bothered me,
Speaker 1: Like I don't need to I didn't need to see
Speaker 1: Pike cutting his fingers.
Speaker 3: Off or no, and I will and Mounds a good actor,
Speaker 3: but these two episodes show that there are limits to
Speaker 3: his goodness in terms of range. Yes, I didn't fully
Speaker 3: buy his descent into red remness. Yeah, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 3: fully buy his Jack torrentsing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was digging it with the Spock cutting off the
Speaker 3: tips of his ears. That was some oh ship. So
Speaker 3: there were at that part, I'm like, okay, they're raising
Speaker 3: the stakes. It's about halfway through the episode. How they're
Speaker 3: going to pay all this off? That's this is clearly
Speaker 3: going to be some sort of hallucination, some sort of
Speaker 3: alien specters fucking with them, like they're going to figure
Speaker 3: something out. And then it was like, no, Spock really did,
Speaker 3: like he really does. Oh, okay, that's cool. But the
Speaker 3: going that far down without much of a payoff or
Speaker 3: restitution to.
Speaker 1: That, Like yeah, and I'm I guess with him, the
Speaker 1: idea is, oh, he's supposed to be accepting that his
Speaker 1: human part is an important part of him or something.
Speaker 1: But but like, it doesn't really line up with the
Speaker 1: chronology of Spock's character if you think about it either, right,
Speaker 1: but we're we're coming up again, We're coming up. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming we're coming up on the early adventures of him
Speaker 1: working with Captain kirk Soon, where he's very vulcan, right, So, like,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't it doesn't quite add up, you know.
Speaker 3: So, And also when they flirt with origins like this,
Speaker 3: you know, or the conflict between this match lining up
Speaker 3: with Cannon, I'm not you know, you know, I can't
Speaker 3: in diatribe, you know, I'm not. But an event like
Speaker 3: this that happens to a character who means so much
Speaker 3: to bout the franchise and the fans of it. Someone's
Speaker 3: bringing this up one time, you would think, right, someone's hey,
Speaker 3: remember that time you were on that ship that was haunted?
Speaker 4: Yes, and you cut off your own ears.
Speaker 1: Right and you know, yes, yes captain and you you
Speaker 1: were almost killed by the descendant of con NOONI and
Speaker 1: singing right.
Speaker 3: What like during all my time, you know, the spock
Speaker 3: not go like you know, if time were made today,
Speaker 3: there would be some sort of acknowledgment.
Speaker 1: Right, oh yeah, And I mean and also like Kirk
Speaker 1: has to know about to bring at this point, right
Speaker 1: because like again like just in terms of like filing
Speaker 1: the reports of what happened, Like, holy shit, what did
Speaker 1: you see while you were on the Griffin spot? You know? Oh,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's like because in the mock time,
Speaker 1: nobody knows about to bring right.
Speaker 3: So right, here's my pitch for a sequel based on
Speaker 3: your idea. Scott Okay, Division twelve had no idea. The
Speaker 3: report was not fully uh de laust. Yes, yes, Enterprise
Speaker 3: is doing its thane and they get a distress call
Speaker 3: fucking escape pod from that toe ship District twelve, and
Speaker 3: they bring they're running from whatever the fuck was happening
Speaker 3: on it. They didn't know about. Why didn't you tell
Speaker 3: us the truth?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 3: They brought out board of the Enterprise.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would be good. Boom, there you go.
Speaker 1: You know what was my favorite thing in the end,
Speaker 1: And I liked despite our nippicking right now, I like
Speaker 1: the episode because it is so moody and so so
Speaker 1: different and.
Speaker 3: Beautifully shot, beautifully directed, and the first half is very
Speaker 3: successful successful.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the three actors are all great also, I
Speaker 1: think incredibly good. Yeah. Yeah, But and I don't. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think we're in agreement. I think everyone kind of
Speaker 1: has been that, Like when you haven't been big fans
Speaker 1: of Paul Wesley's Kirk, but like I've basically gotten used
Speaker 1: to him at this point, and now when I just
Speaker 1: accept him as being Okay, this is Kirk, now I'm
Speaker 1: able to kind of say, okay, this is I like
Speaker 1: what he's doing here. Like the stuff with David Marcus
Speaker 1: and Carol is interesting, you know, and it's they're very
Speaker 1: on the nose at times too, by the way, where
Speaker 1: they're like, you're you know, every Kirk dies in space alone.
Speaker 1: But like I liked it anyway, even though it.
Speaker 3: Is liked it, but that but also I like that
Speaker 3: in that it feeds into I've always known a die alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Ruck five Kirk.
Speaker 3: You know, and I also like Kirk's the little touches
Speaker 3: with David.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and they say, David, they say, your son
Speaker 1: is going to die at the end of a bloody
Speaker 1: knife too someday.
Speaker 3: I know that was messed up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my favorite oh sorry.
Speaker 3: Sorry, if you were told that that.
Speaker 1: Would that would come by a supernatural being, right, like
Speaker 1: that would come up in.
Speaker 3: Between Star Treks two and three, you know, that would
Speaker 3: there'd be some That's what bothers me is that they're
Speaker 3: they're doing stuff like that in the face of Cannon
Speaker 3: in a way that cheapens the emotional reality created by
Speaker 3: these beloved Yeah, kind of undercuts their effectiveness.
Speaker 1: Because after Star Trek three, you would think Kirk would
Speaker 1: be like, holy shit, that ghost.
Speaker 3: Someone told me that thirty years ago. Yeah, and I dismissed.
Speaker 3: You know, I dismissed. It was a one of a
Speaker 3: hundred of missions.
Speaker 1: You know, right right right, Yeah, that ghost. I never
Speaker 1: thought about it, you know, like that ghost that inhabited
Speaker 1: the descendant of Khan, who we never talk about anymore predicted.
Speaker 1: But my favorite moment in the episode, it's just a
Speaker 1: throwaway gag, but it's when the possessed law On or
Speaker 1: the messed up mind controlled whatever it is with law
Speaker 1: and she's all messed up. She tries to beam or
Speaker 1: take us into or tagas.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was cool.
Speaker 3: That was really well done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really cool. And then it turns out
Speaker 1: those guys are all illusions anyway, I guess right, which
Speaker 1: was confusing because you pointed out we were texting me
Speaker 1: I think when we watched it or when at some
Speaker 1: point and you were like, so, why are why are
Speaker 1: we still seeing like Kirk's brother, he's he's corpse floating
Speaker 1: in space at this point. If he's just an illusion
Speaker 1: and no one, no one's there to see it except
Speaker 1: the cat us as a viewer, why would we still
Speaker 1: Why would it be there? It's supposed to be an illusion.
Speaker 1: They're imagining it, you know. So it's like, well, because
Speaker 1: it looks cool basically, but that's.
Speaker 3: The only reason why that exists. It breaks the rules
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, episode, So yeah, Yeah, it was cool seeing him
Speaker 1: get the newborn from Ellien Resurrection though, where his guts
Speaker 1: were getting sucked out through us. Yes, yeah, okay, you
Speaker 1: want anything else on this one? No?
Speaker 3: I wish we could still talk about it because the
Speaker 3: next episode, I I am not this person. I don't
Speaker 3: watch TV like this. I had to fast forward because
Speaker 3: I struggled to care. Yes, and Alan Sewall summarized this
Speaker 3: episode very well in his recap. For Alan Seppwall, the
Speaker 3: former Rollingstone TV critic, I was trying to put a
Speaker 3: descriptor put a name on my feeling for this, you know,
Speaker 3: And I'm paraphrasing, but he said, it's like that one
Speaker 3: co worker who made everyone laugh once in the office
Speaker 3: and now thinks they're the funniest person ever. Wow, and
Speaker 3: continues to do that without realizing.
Speaker 1: Is he referring to like I think he's referring to
Speaker 1: that the musical episode, not so much the.
Speaker 3: Musical episode, but he's referring to like, you know, they
Speaker 3: have touched on comedy before in the show and been successful, right,
Speaker 3: And they have moment the cast has moments of comedy.
Speaker 3: So the show, the producers, the writers, the show seems
Speaker 3: to think that because they succeeded okay one time, that
Speaker 3: they can sustain a whole farcical episode like this, right,
Speaker 3: And that's that's abrasive. It doesn't. This is a bad
Speaker 3: episode of Star Trek it's it's it's like the in
Speaker 3: the Cards episode of d S nine.
Speaker 1: What was that one? I can't remember.
Speaker 3: That's the one where Nog and Jake are trying to
Speaker 3: get a baseball card for Cisco. Oh yes, right, And
Speaker 3: it's this elaborate, fucking contemplary. It's the lowest stakes, but
Speaker 3: they complicate it well. Right. It puts these two together
Speaker 3: in a way that's very interesting to watch. These two
Speaker 3: are just trying to figure out what the hell happened
Speaker 3: to them, get their ship, get their shuttle, all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Mounts comedic skills.
Speaker 1: Cringey.
Speaker 3: I didn't buy him drunk. I didn't buy that he
Speaker 3: would get these tattoos. I also don't buy the premise
Speaker 3: of the episode that I understand that they need to
Speaker 3: decompress before this very important negotiation, But would you really
Speaker 3: choose a planet whose atmosphere can get you drunk right
Speaker 3: few days before the Yeah, it's all important thing, Like,
Speaker 3: aren't you worried?
Speaker 1: Like that's the whole setup right there there. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: crews would really tightly and so they go they're going
Speaker 1: to go to basically it's a pleasure planet type deal, right,
Speaker 1: and essentially, Yeah, the atmosphere gets you essentially inebriated. They
Speaker 1: call it atmospheric inebriation, right right, and so, but I
Speaker 1: mean the it's not synth the whole effects. Like these
Speaker 1: people are like out of their minds wasted, it seems.
Speaker 3: And completely different people like Ahura.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, completely different people. And like for I said
Speaker 1: this in my review for IGN, but like for Pike
Speaker 1: to allow himself to be seen that way by his
Speaker 1: crew would be so I feel like, I feel like
Speaker 1: it would be so confidence shattering for his under for
Speaker 1: his underlings, they would never be like seeing your dad
Speaker 1: drunk for the first time or something like he would
Speaker 1: never liked, never seen him say drunk.
Speaker 3: He gets a Mike Tyson facial tattoo.
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, he can barely talk. Thought I
Speaker 1: thought that it was a chacotate tattoo or yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: call it the chacote Tyson but uh, but he's the
Speaker 1: way he can. It's like he can barely talk. He's
Speaker 1: like so out of character. Like I really like times
Speaker 1: like that, Like it's almost like I skiv ants in
Speaker 1: mount right, because it's like like rap rein it in man,
Speaker 1: Like I know you guys, like you one time, you
Speaker 1: described this cast so well as having big drama drama
Speaker 1: club energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do.
Speaker 1: They're big ye breads and when it when it works,
Speaker 1: it works. But then it's there's times like this where
Speaker 1: the material doesn't give it doesn't do them any help.
Speaker 1: And no, I think like Mount should have reined it
Speaker 1: in in this case.
Speaker 3: And Pike should Pipe should You're right, Scott like it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and like.
Speaker 3: The behavior is so out of regardless of your your
Speaker 3: atmosphere is made out of long island ized teas, like
Speaker 3: regardless of that, Pike should have known better. And if
Speaker 3: this confidence shattering beat. And again, that's a really very
Speaker 3: awesome observation I wish I picked up on. That was
Speaker 3: probably too busy to pass forward. But the follow through
Speaker 3: that would be like, Hey, I know I'm trying to
Speaker 3: be the cool dad, the cool captain, but I overstepped
Speaker 3: and I let my crew down. I got to rein
Speaker 3: that in and he like overcorrects, has to try to
Speaker 3: find like a balance. Like there's an episode there especially
Speaker 3: coming off of Hey, I think we got to let
Speaker 3: genocide happen because of a hunch that kicked off the season.
Speaker 3: Ah me crazy, But I got this magic eight ball
Speaker 3: gut feeling. We're supposed to observe an entire civilization die
Speaker 3: so that ours can live. But let's see how it
Speaker 3: plays out space.
Speaker 1: The other thing is then, so yeah, and it's it's
Speaker 1: Melissa Navia and who plays ortegas in Martin Quinn, right,
Speaker 1: And so it's their episode mainly, and so they're going
Speaker 1: around trying to like it's basically for an hour. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they hang over for an hour basically, And and I
Speaker 1: actually think, you know, I can't. I hate to say it.
Speaker 1: I hate to admit it. I can't understand half of
Speaker 1: what Martin Quinn is saying.
Speaker 3: I struggle with it too, man, And we watch.
Speaker 1: These screeners which don't have subtitles or at least mind
Speaker 1: own I don't think. I don't think they do in general,
Speaker 1: So it's hard to understand him. And then but but
Speaker 1: he I thought he was funny. But I think Melissa
Speaker 1: Navia is like the most under used person on this shows.
Speaker 1: This episode, she despite everything, she succeeds in this episode.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, she does. And then Martin Quinn as
Speaker 1: a result kind of rides along with her and like,
Speaker 1: and so the two of them they have a nice
Speaker 1: you know, nice moment at the end and all, but
Speaker 1: like the fact that by the end of the episode
Speaker 1: when they leave the planet and then they're back on
Speaker 1: the ship to the peace negotiations negotiations, and they're still drunk.
Speaker 1: And this is negotiations to settle a civil war, right,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not They're not negotiating a trade agreement.
Speaker 1: They're not negotiating who you know, who gets to go
Speaker 1: see the Odyssey in imax or you know, Like it's
Speaker 1: like this is they're negotiating us between warring factions in
Speaker 1: the civil war. And Pike is like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm going to walk into this with my crew drunk
Speaker 1: and and hope I pull this off. Yeah, Like like
Speaker 1: that is so like, I mean they should be court
Speaker 1: martialed for that. Actually, and they and the episode is
Speaker 1: about alpha shift and they they're actually it's about the
Speaker 1: three shift rotation, and like, like they should have and
Speaker 1: again I said this is my jam review too, but
Speaker 1: like they should they should have called in Beta shift
Speaker 1: to do those peace negotiations. They were not in any condition,
Speaker 1: you know. So the episode is so flawed. It's not
Speaker 1: funny for the most part. Right, Like the I don't
Speaker 1: know the gimmicks like whether is it Kirk's spot things
Speaker 1: Kirk's an illusion the whole time turns out of the hand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't work. It doesn't work right, Yeah, so
Speaker 3: and that whole bit like it it's a hat on
Speaker 3: a hat, like it keeps hitting the same note.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 3: And I I agree with Trek Corter's assessment of the episode.
Speaker 3: Drunk people are fun when you are also drunk right
Speaker 3: deeply annoying when you are sober, and we are sober
Speaker 3: watching them.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, speak for yourself, but.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I butcher. I feel like I didn't
Speaker 3: do Alan seven Wall's assessment justice, so I just wanted
Speaker 3: to share it. Human best friend asked the eternal question,
Speaker 3: what if the hangover? But make it star Trek. We're
Speaker 3: once stranging world's comedy episodes fell both nimble and charming
Speaker 3: changes the pace. Now they have the air of your
Speaker 3: coworker who got a big laugh in a department meeting
Speaker 3: once and now fancy themselves the office comedian. That is
Speaker 3: a I think you should leave now sketch to me.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, but that's a great way to summarize it.
Speaker 3: Several of the cast members, in particular, Antson Mount and
Speaker 3: Ethan Peck proved to be surprisingly good comic actors, but
Speaker 3: surprisingly is doing a lot of work here. They can
Speaker 3: do it and sometimes do it quite well, but it's
Speaker 3: not their default performing state, and the more you ask
Speaker 3: them to do it, the more the returns diminish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, it's true. It's true. Yeah. So do you READT.
Speaker 1: Sepenwall's newsletter or is this.
Speaker 3: It's his newsletter?
Speaker 1: Okay, you subscribe to it?
Speaker 3: I do, I don't pay for it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, So there is a because there is an
Speaker 1: unpaid version. I guess you get partial, yes.
Speaker 3: And you get partial stuff. That's enough for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, listen, sorry, I mean everyone has a newsletter
Speaker 1: these days, and I mean sepn Wall is doing okay,
Speaker 1: seven walls, seven walls, like the Enterprise Post Wriker, it's
Speaker 1: gonna go along to separate. Wall is gonna go along
Speaker 1: just fine without us. So okay, yeah, this not great,
Speaker 1: not a great situation. And I mean he's right because
Speaker 1: and that's why when you mentioned it earlier, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: did he mean the musical episode? Because I feel like,
Speaker 1: strangely worlds fell into this pattern of like like we
Speaker 1: have to do gimmicks, right, and I felt like this
Speaker 1: season was maybe getting away from that a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it is, but like, you know,
Speaker 1: like the the musical, the travel back.
Speaker 3: But the karaoke thing, the totally clips of the heartbeat.
Speaker 3: I dug that it went on too long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she was I mean she she must have
Speaker 1: worked hard to get all that, all that dialogue, right,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that that of course, but then you know,
Speaker 1: like Nurse Chap was playing bingo with these homicidal aliens
Speaker 1: or something, is like.
Speaker 3: I don't buy Yeah. And also, I Scott, I think
Speaker 3: you touched on this a few moments ago, but the
Speaker 3: the inconsistency of how the planet affects the crew, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it seems to affect him in whatever way the plot
Speaker 3: needs them to be affected.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, So okay, probably better
Speaker 1: to end it there. I don't know what else there
Speaker 1: is to say about, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I I the commercial for the hotel that they're at.
Speaker 1: There's some Easter eggs in that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's got that TV Funhouse Original Series animation.
Speaker 4: Style, yeah, which I dug almost looked like they might
Speaker 4: have recycled it from Do you remember when they did
Speaker 4: those like the very short tracks a couple of years ago,
Speaker 4: which were like weird comedic little.
Speaker 1: Thing anime, that thing. It was the guy that did
Speaker 1: what's his name, the guy the guy who did the
Speaker 1: ship I'm blanking on his name and his most famous project,
Speaker 1: here's that movie, Buddy coming out this summer, is the
Speaker 1: guy that did the the adult swim thing Too many Cooks?
Speaker 1: Do you remember too Many? Oh? Yeah, he did these.
Speaker 1: He did these very they were called them very short trek,
Speaker 1: very short treks, And there were these like two or
Speaker 1: three minute animated things that they did on Paramoun Plus
Speaker 1: for Star Trek a few years ago, and there was
Speaker 1: like zany They were adult swim style zany animated things.
Speaker 1: The animation and the ad for the for Dave Foley's
Speaker 1: Planet looked to me like they might have almost been
Speaker 1: recycling old artwork from those shorts. That interesting, Okay to
Speaker 1: check that out, but I don't know, maybe not. But
Speaker 1: also I like Dave Foley and Star Trek. Yeah, except
Speaker 1: he doesn't have anything to do really right, you know, So.
Speaker 3: Trivia on the you go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe this is what you're going to say but
Speaker 1: like one of those one of the people in the
Speaker 1: animated It's only a couple of shots, but so it's
Speaker 1: it looks like Andrea from what the Little Girls made
Speaker 1: of she's wearing the outfit as right.
Speaker 3: And there's a an Andorian from Journey to Babbel. Yes
Speaker 3: or the Spy, I should say yes, yes, Trek Carr
Speaker 3: pointed out, I missed this. I wish I saw it
Speaker 3: in the records of that room that Scotti Artagis wake
Speaker 3: up in. There's a triple and the remote controlled vehicle
Speaker 3: that Alexander uses in Rascals.
Speaker 1: Really yeah about I saw the triple. I didn't notice
Speaker 1: the roote control and also Scotty's wearing the Mugatu costume
Speaker 1: that they used on Starfleet Academy in one right, like.
Speaker 3: Glad to see that survive hundreds of years.
Speaker 1: All right, that's it. We move on to the replemt
Speaker 1: Oh real quick though. You want to you love this episode,
Speaker 1: you want to keep talking about it.
Speaker 3: I love this little trivia. So I did not know this.
Speaker 3: James Doohan, due to an injury from his service in
Speaker 3: World War Two, he was missing part of his finger.
Speaker 3: Oh then he went to yeah me neither and he
Speaker 3: went to great lengths to hide it from the camera.
Speaker 3: While on Star Trek, I got given that history. There's
Speaker 3: a joke at the end of this week's episode about
Speaker 3: Scott blows off a finger.
Speaker 1: Oh right, that's a little weird. Yeah, you know, for
Speaker 1: what's supposed to be for what's supposed to be a
Speaker 1: comedy episode to end on that gag where his thumb
Speaker 1: is literally hanging off of his hand and it's bloody,
Speaker 1: and now to hear that it's actually oh it's some
Speaker 1: kind of weird homage to the James Doing actually losing
Speaker 1: a part of his finger in the war. How weird
Speaker 1: and grizzly is that? Ah? Man? All right, now we
Speaker 1: have now we have to go to the Replemat to
Speaker 1: wash our wash our mouths of this right to wish
Speaker 1: the taste out of our mouths. Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to the Replemat to get something to eat.
Speaker 1: You want me to go first for a change, Sure, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna recommend a movie which is thirty two years old.
Speaker 1: It's the documentary Crumb about the Super duck Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the famous comics with an X I guess Robert Crumb,
Speaker 1: the artist, the great Robert Crumb. It's a terrific, you know,
Speaker 1: unsettling and disturbing, but but really and entertaining, I guess,
Speaker 1: and moving documentary about Crumb, not just Crumb, but about
Speaker 1: his family dysfunctional family came from. We meet his two brothers,
Speaker 1: who are you know, never keep the level of success
Speaker 1: that he did to say the least, but are very
Speaker 1: interesting artists characters in their own right. Uh. And it
Speaker 1: delves into all of comes weird proclivities and how he
Speaker 1: became the guy he was despite all the hurdles that
Speaker 1: he faced. And it's this sort of unsparing look at
Speaker 1: the artists and that it's it's by Terry's, So I
Speaker 1: go off, who went on to make like Art School Confidential?
Speaker 1: And Yeah, what's the one with the young scult Rowhanson
Speaker 1: and and Steve Buscemi and Ghost World? Yeah that's I
Speaker 1: think that's what also Terry's. But but yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: good if you're if you have any interest in like
Speaker 1: the comics industry, or even just documentaries or even just
Speaker 1: human nature, I recommend Crumb. The reason I bring it
Speaker 1: up is my son wanted had wanted to see it
Speaker 1: for a long time. He'd heard me talk about it,
Speaker 1: and we finally put it on the other night and
Speaker 1: we couldn't stop. Like we came home, it's like twelve
Speaker 1: thirty at night. I was like, oh, you want to
Speaker 1: just put Crumb on? And I didn't think we'd actually
Speaker 1: watch the whole thing right there, but we wound up.
Speaker 1: Just why we were up till three in the morning
Speaker 1: watching it. It's just it's gripping. It's so good. So
Speaker 1: that's my tick.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's streaming on streaming for free some oh
Speaker 1: on the Roku channel, I think is where we watched.
Speaker 3: It, Okay, and that's what ads.
Speaker 1: It is with ads unfortunately. Yes, but I'm a cheap motherfucker,
Speaker 1: and I was not willing to pay the two ninety
Speaker 1: nine to rent to write rent the digital copy.
Speaker 3: So I hear you, man, I get it. I only
Speaker 3: rent if I have I don't like giving my business
Speaker 3: to Amazon, but I only rent if I have Amazon credits.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I'll got that off there. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: the same way. Yeah, what about you.
Speaker 3: I'm going to recommend a Hulu series that was dumped
Speaker 3: late July, but don't be fooled. It's really good. It's furious.
Speaker 1: Oh Okay, I was wondering about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, from Liz U Meriwether, she created the New Girl
Speaker 3: And who would have thought that the created of the
Speaker 3: New Girl could pull off a cop show?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: The very timely, very riveting. Like I was shocked at
Speaker 3: how much I liked it because it was completely not
Speaker 3: in my zip code of watching. Yeah, but it starts
Speaker 3: at Emmy Ross and from Shameless and Mystic River? Is
Speaker 3: that my daughter in there? She's the daughter in there?
Speaker 3: From Mystic River? She plays a burnout FBI agent former
Speaker 3: n IPD cop who is assigned to what appears to
Speaker 3: be a serial killer murder case in connected to some
Speaker 3: Epstein level sex trafficking.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, and.
Speaker 3: The killer as unique ties to the trafficking.
Speaker 1: Okay, And it's it's very much.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, if you were on Team Luigi
Speaker 3: when that healthcare CEO was taken out. It's it's inspired
Speaker 3: seemingly by that and what's talking on the last couple
Speaker 3: of years. But man, these episodes, the cliffhangers?
Speaker 1: Is itwing?
Speaker 3: I don't believe it's. I think it's still a weekly.
Speaker 3: But I had screeners and we binged it in three nights.
Speaker 3: We would have done too, but it was like one
Speaker 3: two in the morning. Yeah right, Yeah, it's great acting,
Speaker 3: incredible performances. Trigger warning. You know, there is a lot
Speaker 3: of discussion depiction of sexual assault. Sure, but uh it's
Speaker 3: a it's a very well made show.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, I was wondering about that. I kept seeing
Speaker 1: press releases as it tough for it, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: get my hand spin man. Okay, okay, did you say
Speaker 1: Emmy Rosham was in Mystic River.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's she's She's Champan's daughter. Oh wow, my daughter
Speaker 3: in there. Okay, Okay, that's the only thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, A couple of good ones. Maybe not the most
Speaker 1: like cheery optimistic picks this week, but what can we
Speaker 1: what can we tell you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker 1: Well on that note, you, Yeah, if you want to
Speaker 1: get really optimistic, let's go to the Red Shirt of
Speaker 1: the Week.
Speaker 2: Attention all crew, please don your dress uniforms and prepare
Speaker 2: the photon torpedo coffins. It's time for the Red Shirt
Speaker 2: of the Week.
Speaker 3: We're revisiting the Griffin. I was gonna do a first
Speaker 3: contact one, but I'm gonna save that since we're talking
Speaker 3: about the Griffin. Uh on the long list of crew
Speaker 3: members who were either stab strangled, or dumped into space
Speaker 3: by the evil Rose Harper or the turned evil Rose Harper.
Speaker 3: We're going off the casualty reports.
Speaker 1: Crewman A Bara, Okay.
Speaker 3: Maybe they were one of the specters that showed up
Speaker 3: in the engine room. Okay when the hands down there,
Speaker 3: but uh, very creepy scene. There's Andorians mixed in there.
Speaker 3: There's just that crew did not go gently into that
Speaker 3: good night. But yeah, or we're gonna pour out some
Speaker 3: uh I know, what is little David like to drink milk? Well,
Speaker 3: sippy cup of space.
Speaker 1: Milk, some Carol Marcus milk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so some some synth Scott Gross, some baby Syntha
Speaker 3: Hall like some approved replicator juice. Pour that out and
Speaker 3: and I hope their fate was better than fake Kirk's brothers.
Speaker 1: Crewman Abara, Okay, yeah, we hardly knew you. We hardly
Speaker 1: knew the whole crew of the Griffin for that matter, right,
Speaker 1: but we didn't never never even knew the Griffin existed.
Speaker 3: So no, and I wish I got to know Chief Baboo.
Speaker 3: I saw that name on the report. I wonder who
Speaker 3: that is.
Speaker 1: Okay, they have a life. They have a lot of
Speaker 1: judging by the ghosts or whatever they are. They have
Speaker 1: a lot of andorians on that crew. Actually, right, like
Speaker 1: these are a fewans floating around. That's right, all right,
Speaker 1: Well I guess that'll do it. Thanks as always, Phil, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Thank you Scott, and thank you guys for listening. Please
Speaker 3: sound off on what do you guys think of these episodes.
Speaker 3: Let us know your thoughts on both, especially you know,
Speaker 3: drunken buffoonery the episode. And thank you all for listening.
Speaker 3: It's really fun to do this. We're we're glad you
Speaker 3: hang out with us. Until next time, CI on Gravette Island,
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