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Speaker 1: What is going on, Clippers fans? How is everybody doing?

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I'm giving a much happier vibe to start this episode

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than the last full episode we did, which you can

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check out our YouTube channel. We get in on a

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positive note, though, Oh yeah, we turned it around. If

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you want to hear three Clippers fans go through just

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from the bottom all the way to the top of

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believing in this team, check out our last episode on

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YouTube dot com slash a Clippers pod.

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Speaker 2: Is this one gonna go the opposite? Starting positive and

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then we end downhill?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: It might be if you want to listen to it's

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available in podcast form two. I am Chuck Walckler, joined

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by Adam Osen and Will Updyke. Real Clippers basketball is

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back ish. We're gonna be talking uh day one and

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two of the training camp and then previewing the Clippers

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preseason game against the Warriors. I'm feeling great. Cannot wait

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for basketball to happen on Saturday. Will Adam, how are

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you fellas doing on this incredibly hot Wednesday in Los Angeles?

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. I feel all right. I ran a

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marathon over the weekend, just an impromptu marathon. I was

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on the treadmill, and I was feeling good and I

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was at thirteen miles and I said, the last time

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if I s feel is good at thirteen, I'm just

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going to try to go for it. And I did it, baby,

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and I finished in five and a half hours and

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last five the last five or hell speaking of hell.

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Speaker 1: On a treadmill, which is that seems so difficult.

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Speaker 2: And people say it's harder. I don't know. Yeah, it's

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not like I have an incline though, or do you fine?

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And I kept for a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's what would make it hard,

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is living, not any of running that many miles on

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Speaker 2: It was like a logical warfare, for sure. And I

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was listening to Clippers podcast and I was listening to

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like my favorite band growing up, the Deftones from Sacramento,

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and just trying to get like familiar stuff because we're

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listening to something familiar. Typically time goes a little bit faster,

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you know, if you're rewatching a movie or listen to

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an album. But I was happy that I made it through.

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I feel like I accomplished something for once.

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Speaker 1: There we go will how many marathons did you run

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between our last episode. In this episode, didn't touch it

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didn't touch a treadmill that long on a treadmill. That's

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that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Legit. If they're Keystone lights, legit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, training camp has started. We also haven't been together

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since the Terrence Man extension happened, which is great. Ill

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gotta feel pretty good about that. Where do we media

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star or media day? Yeah, that's true, an uneventful media day,

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which I think we can all be happy about.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The Kauai stuff didn't make me feel much better, but yeah,

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but I didn't make you feel worse, probably a little bit.

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I don't know. I'm coming like I go through this

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roller coaster of emotions with the Kauhi stuff, where I'm

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feeling worse, then I'm feeling a little bit better. It

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depends on how much I want to read into some

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of the answers. I think he gave one pretty good

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one to Ohm regarding them feeling basically like they have

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a handle on it, and it does seem to me.

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I guess overall, I'm a little bit more positive because

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it seems to me they're just being so so overly

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cautious right now with Kawhi and that makes sense to do.

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It is just training camp. It is early in the

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season when this thing's gonna start up, and they want

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him for the playoffs. So do it. Do whatever you

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Speaker 1: I thought the update from La Murray today was great,

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which was Kawhi used a PHAM roller. That's gotta feel good, right,

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can't feel he's hey better than him not using one, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The video of him hanging out and smiling with coach

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lou yesterday training camp, I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know it's not Also, if

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you're expecting this team to give you information about Kawhi

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Leonards knee and hoping for some kind of update, don't

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hold on to that hope. It sucks.

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Speaker 3: Must be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it doesn't feel unfair, but it's gonna

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be Yeah. Law Murray referred to him as kind of

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week to week. He was like, I kind of think

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of him as week to week for day to day,

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which I think makes sense. It's the beginning of training camp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what they give you at this

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point unless he, like you know, took an MRI today,

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He's not doing drills, he's doing strengthening.

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Speaker 1: We get Pham roller and we like it. I guess

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or have to One interesting thing, there's been a bunch

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of talk about the starting five during this off season,

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especially with the training camp Derek. It made it seem

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like the only two guaranteed spots right now are James

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Harden and it beats the Zoobots. Was kind of the

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vibes because Kawhi Leonard availability wise, I'm talking right now,

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you know what I mean for Opening Night. But there's

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an interesting thing. TYLERU called Derek Jones Junior his shut

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down corner, so there is no doubt. I feel like

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there's absolutely no way that he does not start with

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being referenced that by Tyler, which I'm happy about.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna welcome to Derek Jones Junior. Island.

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Speaker 1: Yo, We've been here, but like right will, like there's

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Speaker 3: This like come on, I mean, especially with the absence

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of Kawhi, you know, I I guess I hesitate to

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think how much that was up in the air in

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the first place, you know, since the signing, especially like

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you know, he's a reasonable price, but they got him

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on a bit of a playoff premium. You know, they

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pay a little extra. I don't. I don't know why

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you would do that and then not intend to happen

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in the starting lineup er, I mean at least pretty

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pretty near car from the starting line, you know, darring

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something like kind of terrible happening in training camp or.

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Speaker 1: Something, or someone being so good in training camp and

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it's like, what the hell is this?

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Speaker 3: But I mean that would be terrible for him too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, true, Yeah, I just don't know who's going to

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be better than him at the three.

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Speaker 3: Who's gonna start for right? Like, do you think they

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move him down to the four? I know that we're

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about to talk about this in a second, but.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's enough.

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Speaker 2: I think he could play it in Spurts. I just

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don't know if he could start there, but maybe I

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like it's coach Lou. He will try to think.

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Speaker 1: He will. Yeah, yeah, but he cannot not for a

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whole game. He can't play for the whole game.

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Speaker 2: I mean it depends on the team too, you know,

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it just it all depends what's the matchup.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I remember Latch we did out like

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the average size of power forwards after the Derek Jones

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Junior signing, and like Kawhi is like at the average

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height and I think a little bit heavier. Everyone else

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is just below it, below bow things. So it just

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from that, I mean he will guard for us, but offensively,

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I think that would maybe be difficult. I did like

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what he was saying about malice under the rim. That

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was a plus. We're gonna see a bunch of lobs

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from Harden to DJJ this year, which I think is

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gonna be great.

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Speaker 2: I love what he said DJJ at media Day, like

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you can't outthrow me or overthrow me. I'm going to

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count down with it. And he also said I didn't

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realize just how soft spoken he is. It's a really

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cool I don't know dialect Ed's voice to listen to,

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and it sounds really intimidating when he says something with

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a little bit of confidence in bravado, like I want

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the number one option. I want the toughest guy to

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guard the toughest assignment each each and every night. That

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was great to hear.

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Speaker 1: It's like he's about to say please after it. I've

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liked the talk to from James Harden. James Harden's been

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talking a bunch about how he's pretty much ready to

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be the number one option, And I said this on

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the media day stream, people are kind of referencing like

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maybe Kawhi is going to be the one and like

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the first option. I still think when Kawhi healthy, James

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Harden is going to be the first option for this

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's just that. Yeah, Like I

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think it's just dynamic because I just think I think

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it just depends on how you define that role. Because

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I still think there is you know, obviously James Harden

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will have the ball in his hands like the majority

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of the time, our possessions and guy things, But if

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Kawhi is out there on the floor, why would you

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not have the anger play be getting Kawhi to his

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spot and get like you know what I mean, So

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right in that situation, who is the one? Like, I

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don't know, that's kind of tyring.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember if it was last show or the

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show before, But I still got Kawhi's points per game

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leader totals, know, but points per game. Yes, I still

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think when he's out there, it's not going to magically

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change to where all of a sudden, James Harden is

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taking five more shots than he is, which is basically

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where they were at last season, where Kawhi is at

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seventeen per game, James Harden was at eleven. I don't

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see that type of stuff flipping, that disparity of six

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shot attempts more going James Harden's way when oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it'll go I don't think he's gonna flip.

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But it is crazy how that's what his lowest field

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goal attempts since twenty eleven. Yeah, like that's just gonna

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Speaker 3: It for all in agreement too, I mean like I

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still think the team should kind of be thought of

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as Harden's team, you know what I mean? Like it

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he is, Yeah, like he is going to be like

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running the show. And it's not like that means nobody

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listened to Kawhi when he's on the floor. I mean,

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like the team who has been lacking an identity and

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in a direction and I just feel like, yeah, so

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give that to the guy who has you know, who

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has brought that to multiple other teams that that has

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been you know, their offense. Yeah, and you know, maybe

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it won't work as well as it has at other stops,

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but like you can adjust from there. I just think

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that like, regardless of regardless of who is the one,

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I mean, I think we're all unanimous, it's Kawhi, Like

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it should still be thought of, I think as Harden's

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team because he's ultimately the one who's going to be

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kind of dictating things, the pace of things.

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Speaker 1: I think that's more what I meant, and I like

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that take a lot.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be more available, They're going to be

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more used to playing off of him, and that is

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innately the role of a point guard and the traditional

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point guard. Anyways, I just think, yeah, when Kauai is available,

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however many shot attempts James Harden takes without Kawhi Leonard

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in that game, when Kawhi is out there with him,

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he's probably taken four to five shots less.

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Speaker 1: That's going. Yeah, that's a great. I wonder what it

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was last year too, not the interesting whole bunch, because

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we did get those sixty plus games from Kawhi. Yeah,

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that is interesting. They haven't.

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Speaker 2: It's still Paul George was might have been available, so

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it'd be harder to Yeah, but I expect him to

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defer a lot to Kawhi when Kawai is available, and how.

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Speaker 1: Sorry I finish that point. I apologize, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I like the How.

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Speaker 1: How many forty point games could you see James Harden

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having this year? He had none last year?

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Speaker 2: What was his scoring game the game against Indiana where

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he had like the twenty point fourth quarter? Was that Indiana?

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Speaker 1: You know you look it up?

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Speaker 2: It was thirty What was the crazy look into the

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camera shake his beard around? Yea fourth quarter? Was that Indiana?

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Speaker 1: Indiana? Thirty five? Thirty five?

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Speaker 2: How many games this year.

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Speaker 1: Forty points?

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Speaker 2: I'll say.

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Speaker 1: I had. I was thinking too as well. I was

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they absolutely need it. So there's gonna be more of

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Speaker 3: I think we're gonna need it.

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Speaker 1: We absolutely will need it. I will.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna get it?

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liked about him. So when he's talking about being featured

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more playing international ball for Croatia, being more of a

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focal point, that's real. He's ready. He is not, you know,

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someone that I think needs to make some huge adjustment

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to all of a sudden taking I don't know, twelve

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Zubats's conditioning and if that has ever been part of

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that when he's playing more. Maybe that efficiency could obviously

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to fail in that area, like, prove it, give it,

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give it. How about a ten game sample size of

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a Visa Zubos playing thirty five minutes a night. How

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Speaker 1: We have had a name change for a while. That's

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a really good one to start, dude off, season's over. Man,

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now because of his disparaging remarks on his conditioning, I

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Speaker 3: That, could you do you think you could out? You

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could out marathon? It beats to zoos in a treadmill

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run at him?

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if you're pushing it. You have to train for a marathon,

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even though I think if you're a professional athlete, so

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and it has to be harder.

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because he's Who's a big guy.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, and we're talking about no walking, We're.

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Speaker 1: Talking about winning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no walking, I would assume walking. Yeah, No, one's

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taking a nap.

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Speaker 2: I just mean, like some of these guys end up

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finishing in ten hours or whatever it is because they're

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walking the last ten miles.

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two treadmills facing each other in a very small room.

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They'd be said at eye level, so it would be crazy.

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I had. So there's been some Norm starting talk. He

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talked about how he wants to like prove he's going

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to be a starter. This has been going around on Twitter.

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I think I saw this from the Labla Jam, the

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pod Haggle, no haggle. If Kawhi isn't ready to start

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on opening night, Norm will be in there to help

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with the offensive production.

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Speaker 3: I mean, again, that seems mighty small. Like I just

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asked you guys how you felt about DJJA shifting down

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to the four right, you know, it just seems mighty small.

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I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility, obviously.

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Speaker 1: I go, no haggle right now, No, you would haggle. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: I mean, like it's tough because I'm not saying we're

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not gonna see it, but I would have fundamentally I

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would haggle with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Uh, you'd have nightmare haggles is what you

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would be having. Yeah, yeah, i'd go.

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Speaker 2: It's something that I've been talking about a little bit.

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There's no great answer unless Kevin Porter Junior doesn't get

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suspended and turns into more of a two way player

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all of a sudden and can kind of bridge the

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gap of the best of both worlds with having a

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guy who can play offense and defense, so you don't

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have to just lean one way or the other. When

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Kawhi is out.

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the season, yeah, after one camp, he's gonna be a

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completely different player and transform everything.

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Speaker 2: So with how unlikely that is, I think you have

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to make a decision on which way you want to go.

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into defense, there is a real argument to be made

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that if Kawhi is not available, and you think you're

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gonna go out there with James Harden, Terrence Man, Derek Jones, Junior,

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Niko Batoom and a Visa's Zoo bots, Like where is

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the shot creation? Like there's so much on the plate

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of James Harden to get everybody open looks then and

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to get big Zoo going. That's a really difficult way

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to start a game. So I understand the point of saying, well,

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you can't have that backcourt with Norman Palell and James Harden.

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It's valid. You also probably can't have that many non

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shot creators on the floor either. So I think Norm's

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gonna be in the discussion.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it makes sense. I'm just saying I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But I mean you bring.

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where's the offense coming from? Uh? So, I don't know.

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It's a dam If you do dam, if you don't

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situation to me.

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Speaker 1: It'll look very Yeah, it's gonna look odd because I mean, offensively,

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I would love to watch that backcourt. That's a very

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like that's a you know, you get Zoo Zoo talked

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about trying to be better in the short role too.

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You get Zoo came out to Norm on the corner

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or whatever is happening. It could be good. But yeah,

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then there's the other side.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate the idea of trying to slide up.

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I don't think Terrence Man would have a problem playing

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the three obviously.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think that.

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Speaker 2: Ye could you? Could you go? Okay, Derek Jones Junior

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not playing the four. We're gonna have Nicholas Patoum to

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start off this game playing the four. I don't hate that,

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but yeah, it's you're going to have a glaring weakness

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one way or the other because they just don't have

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that perfect player. If Kawhy is out and missing games

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to say we're going to be more.

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Speaker 4: Balance on the roster ship, I have an immaculate player, right,

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I forgot they.

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Speaker 2: Have the guy.

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Speaker 1: He's there now still still saw.

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Speaker 2: I think at media day or it wasn't confirmed.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Bones also maybe not a media day.

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bunch of quotes or anything. Yeah, I mean PJ. Yeah,

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I wish I could have gotten his insights on what

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he thinks this season is going to be like we also,

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we're gonna take a quick break and then talk about

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Tyler embracing the youth, because that's been a big thing

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that people have wanted. One note for those listening, please

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stop asking us when the NBA has to tell the

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Clippers they're suspending or not suspending Kevin Porter Junior.

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Speaker 2: We have how many games to be, don't you guys

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know how many games it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: I have no.

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Speaker 3: Idea sixteen and it's gonna start on April first.

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Speaker 1: As a bit, yeah, we don't know. We'll figure it out.

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Let us know what you think in the comments too,

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and on Twitter over at Twitter dot com, plush at

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Clippers Pod what your opening nights starting five is gonna

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look like. If you PJ Tucker in it, good for you.

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Big great move, big gd move.

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Speaker 2: Just be carryover from the last game last season, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, hey, he was putting them up left off,

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he was putting them up in the second half. All right,

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coming out, we're talking Tie embracing the youth, Jeff Van

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Gundy being a certified lunatic in a good way. And

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then I'm contractually obligated to talk about the backup five

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spot at least once per episode. If you're listening to

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the audio, we're doing a quick audio break. If you're watching,

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we're still gonna be here. Ads going up, and then

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a bunch of youth talking three too.

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Speaker 3: What hey, hey, welcome back into clips. And did we

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just talked about media day and the eventful or uneventful

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or I mean pretty predictable sort of outcome there. But

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if you followed the Clippers through the off season and

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where things kind of sadly ended last season, there's two

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major changes. They're leaning in a little bit more to

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a defensive identity, or so we've been told, and also

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they are getting younger. So put in the rundown that

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we're gonna talk about this, Charles.

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Speaker 1: What a seg what lobbing them up? I'm just smacking

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them out of the park. Uh, I mean exactly what

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you said.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna throw it down, DJ. Yeah, see Brandon Knight

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out there.

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Speaker 1: Our young guys are going to have to step up,

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They're going to have to play now. Those guys are

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ready to take the next step.

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Speaker 3: He also which ones, though specifically.

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Speaker 1: Specifically he mentioned Kobe Brown, Jordan Miller, and Kai Jones

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as the three who they.

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Speaker 3: Have works are salivating.

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Speaker 1: Oh dude, people are telling us that we need to

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sign Kai Jones to a multi year contract already. Which

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there's a two.

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Speaker 2: Way open, right, is Trenton Flowers on a two way

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and it's Jordan Miller on a two way right now?

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Speaker 1: Correct? Yes, Jordan Miller is a two way.

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Speaker 2: Trenton Flowers is the other one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's hurt.

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Speaker 2: He still has the risk issue with surgery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And so he mentioned those three guys, Kobe Brown,

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Jordan Miller, Kai Jones. The ten who practiced with Tye

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today include everyone you would expect. But a mere Coffee

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was there instead of Jordan Miller in that spot, which

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is interesting. So I wonder when Jordan Miller is gonna

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be again. It is day two, so I bet we'll

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see Jordan Miller probably in it very soon. But I

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hope he gets those reps because I don't know, he

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seems awesome. I'm excited. I hope Jordan Miller can take

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a jump this season and play with the ones. The

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top heeds not starting.

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Speaker 2: He needs a look. To me, if you have a

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guy who is dominating in the G League, dominating in

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the Summer League, then see what he can do at

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the NBA level at some point. I'm not expecting to

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dominate right away. Can he be serviceable? Can he win

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his minutes? Could he not make a ton of mistakes

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out there while he continues to grow in the areas

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he's already good at. I want to see Jordan Miller

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play some I know it's not easy because the position.

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Could he play some four? I don't know. There's a

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lot of unknowns with him, but I think it's all

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positive right now. And he's still gonna turn twenty five

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by the end of this season, so there's really I

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was encouraged to hear that quote from coach lou It

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just seems like the necessity to play young guys is

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heart throughout the organization, and the CBA demands it now too.

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You better play your young guys and figure out what

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you got.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Jordan Miller six four per Google, which is what

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I thought.

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Speaker 2: If I want to be honest, what's his wingspan?

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Speaker 1: Say? Hold on six, seven to seven. I don't know

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if it's sick seven ft wingspan.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I like that perfect. I like to win

473
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:10,160
your minutes thing. I think that's that's totally true too.

474
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was noticeably good at getting.

475
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: Again day two of training camp, so I think we'll

476
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,000
see it. But what you were you talking about getting.

477
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: To the rim, getting to the rim with that little

478
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,319
eurostep and people were saying shades of Sga. Okay, let's

479
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,480
let's not do that. But but his aggressiveness with getting rebounds,

480
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:37,039
which is also a point of emphasis by all the

481
00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:39,200
talking points with the Clippers to the media right now

482
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,960
and how they have to be better in that area

483
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,240
and they have to do it collectively. He was a

484
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:48,480
beast if with getting offensive rebounds. Granted it was Summer League,

485
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,599
but he was playing against some other young, good, good

486
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,759
pro prospect type players out there, and I don't know.

487
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,039
He had a nose for getting to boards and getting

488
00:25:59,039 --> 00:25:59,599
to the rim.

489
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,839
Speaker 1: That and the boards have been an emphasis. They know

490
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,960
that they need to rebound more. Kevin Porter Junior also

491
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,519
is going to get a real shot. But his Week

492
00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:13,359
one status is TVD per La Murray again shut out

493
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,799
a lot Murray for all these things. Well, what younger

494
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:18,279
are you most excited to see and who do you

495
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,400
think has the best chance of making the most of

496
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,000
their minutes?

497
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 3: Man just given U sort of the gaps that we have.

498
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,759
I would really love it for it to be Kobe Brown.

499
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,799
I don't think that that's a reality, but it would

500
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:37,599
be really nice if he could be a serviceable quotation

501
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:42,279
guy at at that poor position. Do I think that's

502
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:42,880
gonna happen?

503
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: Now?

504
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 3: Do I think the most likely guy to pop? I

505
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,880
mean it's probably Jordan Miller. You know, no real surprise there.

506
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,400
He's just been able to be the most consistent with it.

507
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:55,039
He has all the physical tools, so I think that

508
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:58,000
that would make sense. Kevin Porter Jr. It's a little

509
00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:00,880
bit hard to gauge, right, because he's a known quantity

510
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,039
for what he has been in the league thus far,

511
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,039
So I don't really The thing that would have to

512
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,480
be surprising is would be for him to have to,

513
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,559
you know, fundamentally change sort of the way that he

514
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:14,440
works as a player, which as Adam was talking about,

515
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:16,920
I mean, it's not impossible, but if he was able

516
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,400
to completely sort of like alter his role, become more

517
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,839
of a two way guy, you know, still be a facilitator,

518
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:27,000
but be able to play off ball a little bit, Yeah,

519
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,880
I like that would surprise me. I gotta say, being

520
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,119
like the most known quantity of the young guys.

521
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, the more tape I watch on him and the

522
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,000
more I have dug into the number since coach lu

523
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:42,240
made that statement last week about how we're going to

524
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:44,119
have success this season, He's gonna have to make a

525
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,359
big impact, which did raise some eyebrows. We talked about

526
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,160
what can you do defensively and joked, what is there

527
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:54,359
like a defensive mixtape? I'm Kevin pord Junior. Well, there

528
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,480
is apparently, and it's kind of impressive. And I pulled

529
00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:01,440
one from the twenty one to twenty two season, and

530
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,440
he is a long rangey defender when he wants to.

531
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,359
That is pick pockets of Steph Curry, an embarrassing fashion

532
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,079
of him just trying to bring the ball up the court,

533
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,160
and it's kind of crazy. You're like, wow, that you'd

534
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,400
rarely see stuff like that outside of I'm not saying

535
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,440
he's an elite defender, but guys like Kawhi once in

536
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,640
a while will just an embarrass an NBA player to

537
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,759
the degree you don't normally see like what he did

538
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,160
against Ben Maclamore and back to back possessions for the

539
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,039
Spurs I think in twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen. Stuff

540
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:35,400
like that is rare at the NBA level. Kevin Porter

541
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,319
Junior was making some plays. I think it is more

542
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:40,720
between the ears. Are you willing to commit to playing

543
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:44,319
defense and playing that hard all the time. But then

544
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:48,960
I looked up something else and you mentioned off ball. Okay,

545
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,720
his last two seasons on catch and shoot threes, he

546
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:57,200
shot e fing forty eight percent and forty four percent

547
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:03,160
on catch and shoot threes guys the twenty one two seasons.

548
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,920
I didn't find the number of that, but it's it

549
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:10,279
has to be something respectable because he was playing heavy

550
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:17,119
minutes like it's not nothing. That's forty eight is big time,

551
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:22,400
like that's real. So I don't know, Maybe you know

552
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:26,480
I was. I was much marsher on his ability to

553
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,839
play winning basketball and what he can really do because

554
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:32,519
he's twenty four now and we saw him play for

555
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:34,920
a very bad team and put up what you could

556
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,839
say was empty calorie numbers. But the problem is everybody

557
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,799
was so bad on that team. How do you separate

558
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:44,480
all those variables and say, well, he's not being meaningful

559
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,519
with his production. Maybe he was just on a really

560
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:50,680
bad team and he hasn't had a chance to try

561
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:53,160
to do what he does best on a team that

562
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,480
has playoff aspirations.

563
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 5: Now, I don't know, it will be interesting if he

564
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,000
can make that change that I mean, because that you know,

565
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,359
it sounds like it would be kind of maybe younger Norm.

566
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: If he doesn't make those changes right, which would be

567
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:11,920
starting again the defensive stuff starting would be a little tough.

568
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,400
But if that change can happen thanks to the likes

569
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,960
of Jeff Van Gundy, that is definitely something that I'm

570
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,119
sure Tyler's thinking about.

571
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,039
Speaker 2: I think, unlike Norm, if Kevin Porter Junior is told

572
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:27,160
your assignment tonight is to do this to help us win,

573
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,319
if he actually applies himself and takes to coaching well

574
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,960
at this point in his career, I think he has

575
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,400
all the ability to really show off on the defensive

576
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,519
end at times. I do.

577
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean you bring up a very valid point,

578
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,559
like it cuts both ways. You know, if you want

579
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:47,680
to say he was an empty calorie sort of scorer

580
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:52,480
or whatever, you also can't completely criticize his defensive prowess

581
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,599
thus far because it was never an emphasis. It was

582
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,039
never something that was you know, really primed or optimized.

583
00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:01,880
So yeah, I I think it's interesting. Like I said, though,

584
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000
I mean it would still be it would still be

585
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,519
surprising to me for him to become sort of that

586
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,440
player maybe over the course of the season, certainly not

587
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,640
out of training camp.

588
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:16,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it's gonna take.

589
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: But that would be I mean that is yeah. I mean,

590
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,960
like you know that that's the way into the starting lineup.

591
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he preached.

592
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: He's the guy that can bridge the gap of how

593
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,680
do we be more balanced when Kawhi Leonard's out and

594
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,440
not just have to go one way or the other

595
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:38,240
with leaning into offense or defense. He's the guy that's

596
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,279
maybe that's what coach Lucies like. He has the ability.

597
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:44,200
He has to prove it. He has to do it

598
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,799
on a winning team. But it's not like he was

599
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,759
some isolated player and was the only one in this

600
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:55,000
very high functioning Houston Rockets franchise during that time. No,

601
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:58,000
they were dysfunctional. It was bad. They had bad stuff

602
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:02,440
going on there. So as much as uh, yeah, I've

603
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,240
been critical at times this summer of people saying, oh,

604
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,839
he can be the starting two guard and all these things,

605
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,160
you know what, by the end of the season, maybe

606
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,880
he'll get his shot. Maybe that will happen, and maybe

607
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,680
if Kauai is out. You know, he's not the starting

608
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,240
two guard if they're fully healthy. But in a situation

609
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,279
where Kauhi is out or another players out of the

610
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:24,319
starting lineup, he's gonna get a bigger opportunity than we

611
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:24,960
could have thought.

612
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: Who knows. Yeah, at the end of the season, possibly

613
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:30,759
that is coming up.

614
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: Uh, I mean starter by the end of the season.

615
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:40,039
Maybe early on he is getting fifteen minutes here and there,

616
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,160
and then it just keeps building. I don't know.

617
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:47,599
Speaker 6: Yes, there are get suspended, right, there's like we're putting

618
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,960
we're putting some hypothetical cards in front of one large horse,

619
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,079
which is the unknown horse.

620
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: Spooky people.

621
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: People have brought up how Miles Bridges got a ten

622
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,559
game suspension, and they're like, well, is it going to

623
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:03,079
be ten games at most? Then with keim port Junior,

624
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:03,720
I don't know.

625
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:07,039
Speaker 1: I'm not I have not. Yeah. I again, I.

626
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: Don't think there's a cap on this thing with the NBA, right,

627
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,079
I don't think there's a set.

628
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:15,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, but let's go to how they should legislate it.

629
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:18,720
I'm just kidding. Let's talk to the defensive side of

630
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,039
the ball. Jeff Van Gundy has already watched all eighty

631
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:28,079
two games from last year. Per TYLERU skip the playoff ones? Interesting, Jeff,

632
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,440
maybe put a little more film study and.

633
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: What did you want him to take away from this?

634
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: How did we use him effectively to get all those

635
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,359
shots up in the second half? Om had a great tweet,

636
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,480
he said, one voice that can be heard above everything.

637
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:51,839
Before Clippers officially begin their first practice of Jeff Van Gundy,

638
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:54,920
who is running some Clippers through sets. Tylerusai, Jeff Fan

639
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,000
Gundy will be a vocal leader on this team as

640
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:01,160
far as talking on defense during games. Excited for this

641
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:05,279
love lunatic Jeff Van Gundy being able to be a

642
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:09,519
psycho defensive assistant coach. It's going to be awesome to

643
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:12,559
watch when they figure it out.

644
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: And going back to KPJ and young players. Maybe he

645
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,280
is the one to get something out of him. I

646
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,440
do think it's a note. I forgot to mention this

647
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,239
is that not what he's there to do to try

648
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,760
to get a defense?

649
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: I agree, what are we? What's your last kpjoint?

650
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,639
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't realize that he's had a relationship with Bomber.

651
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,880
He played high school with his son. Apparently that kind

652
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,280
of changes the equation a little bit. How I thought, Oh,

653
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,639
this is this is why they could sign him. Okay,

654
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,159
and so and Law also told me that, you know,

655
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,840
other teams were going to sign him. It wasn't like

656
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,519
the Clippers were the only team that was going to

657
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,360
but that I mean, he was out of the league

658
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,039
for a year, so at some point like is he

659
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,960
ever going to get back in? And it wasn't just

660
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,440
the Clippers that were looking around just to put a

661
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,719
button on the KPg KPJ stuff because it could be

662
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,199
there was.

663
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: It was the sweepstakes if you will.

664
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, wow, just like the Pat Bev Sweet Steaks.

665
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah say that.

666
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: Well that is true.

667
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: That's also exciting.

668
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: He's doing his thing. Law had a good take what

669
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,760
he said. When it comes to Clippers defense, they're not

670
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,119
gonna be better on new personnel alone. They have to

671
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:33,239
come together and get all those teams figured out. Who

672
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,320
better to get a bunch of new guys used to

673
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:41,519
playing defense than the absolute lunatic Jeff Fan Gundy. It's

674
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:43,400
gonna be fun if I helps for Derek Jones Junior

675
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,239
in this defense. Once they figure it all out, I

676
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,960
think we're gonna see some good stuff from him. Yeah,

677
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:51,840
I don't know. I'm just happy Jeff Fan Gundy is

678
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,159
on the team.

679
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,159
Speaker 2: Underrated to get that, yeah, most people now are gonna

680
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,000
be like, Wow, that's kind of crazy. They got Jeff

681
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:02,840
Fan Gundy and we've been waiting for him to come

682
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,639
back to the league and why has it taken this long?

683
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,039
And now he's picking the Clippers of all teams. And

684
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:10,079
it sounded like he was going to have a role

685
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:13,440
on the bench in Boston after being the consult last

686
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,519
season for the team that goes on to win the championship.

687
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:18,119
But uh, there's no salary cap when it comes to

688
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:20,760
paying coaches. I'm sure he was taken care of, and

689
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,199
he's got a relationship with coach Lou and his team

690
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,159
USA knowledge over the years where it's not like he's

691
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:31,679
only been a broadcaster. He has been voicing the room

692
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,320
there to coach there to some degree. And I believe

693
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,239
he's never had a defense when he was the head

694
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,400
coach that was any higher than like tenth, right, they

695
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,079
were always top ten is an eighth.

696
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

697
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: It can only be positive for this Clippers team to

698
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,920
have Jeff Fan Gundy there now too, Right.

699
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: He's got to be one of the higher paid assistants, right,

700
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,320
I know they don't release that stuff, but he's like

701
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:56,000
not a.

702
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: Considered Yeah, yeah, I would, I would guess. So it's

703
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,039
also I mean, if you're in his position, I mean,

704
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:08,920
it's a pretty exciting for opportunity, Like I would think

705
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,480
it would be like revitalizing for you to be on

706
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:14,000
this team that's you know, a little bit less defined

707
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,840
is where the Celtics are right now. You can have

708
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,280
kind of a bigger, a larger voice in the room.

709
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:21,559
You don't have to live in Boston, you know. It

710
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:25,639
just seems like just seems like a better, a better opportunity.

711
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: And I was in his position and not as much

712
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,599
of a spotlight he can be, you know what I mean, Like, well,

713
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:31,000
I think.

714
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: It actually could be more of a spotlight because I think,

715
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,639
like I said, with him being like a louder voice

716
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:38,440
in the room, you know, I think he was probably

717
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,039
wanting to take on a little bit more. Yeah, like

718
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:44,360
I don't know, I don't know for sure, but.

719
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: That's like, yeah, I guess in terms of actually speaking

720
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,000
to the media, I think he'll be hyped that he

721
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:52,599
doesn't have to do that. Yeah, oh for sure, as much.

722
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:54,360
I can just be a true just like fully in

723
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,039
it for a.

724
00:37:56,079 --> 00:38:01,079
Speaker 2: Team that doesn't have a lot of big voices and

725
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,400
huge personalities with their leadership. Even coach lou while he

726
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,159
is a great leader, he's more soft spoken. He will

727
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:12,679
speak up when he needs to. He's the man. He

728
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,719
got that out of Lebron James at the half in

729
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,079
Game seven against the Golden State Wars and had that

730
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:22,480
conversation with him. But Van Gundy is like the prototypical

731
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,199
I don't know, general out there. He's always been allowedest

732
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,000
Like you know, you look up head coach in the

733
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,840
NBA or basketball coach in the dictionary. There's a picture

734
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,760
of Jeff Van Gundy. He's the archetype like and it's great.

735
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,679
It's old school, but I think it's going to translate

736
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,119
well to the modern game. Like I'm not concerned about

737
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:44,480
that part of it at all.

738
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. I mean, like you said, the Olympic

739
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,000
experience is huge with that, he's seen it grow from

740
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:52,119
every Yeah.

741
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: He's never left even as a broadcaster, he's never left.

742
00:38:56,039 --> 00:39:00,760
Like we'll just see, He's always been a round the game.

743
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: That's so funny. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited to hear

744
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,519
more of like who's showing out on defense too? Yeah,

745
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:11,880
I hope you can just see Elijah Hart. I wish

746
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,400
Elijah Harkless wasn't hurt because he seems like a guy

747
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,920
that jeff An Gundy would like in training camp because

748
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,000
he makes life hell for other guards.

749
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: If they didn't have so many guards, somebody, some other

750
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,360
team likely is gonna end up with Elijah Harkless. You know,

751
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:30,639
he's gonna show off some tape, He's gonna play some

752
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,800
in the preseason. It's going to be tough to crack

753
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,239
this Clippers team because of all the guards, but he

754
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,519
has a real skill.

755
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: If Moe could have hit an open shot, that's true.

756
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,719
I mean it's just like it didn't. It wasn't There

757
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:47,880
wasn't enough offense.

758
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:53,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then finally the backup five spot. Mobamba is

759
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:55,840
out of five on five currently because he has a

760
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,079
left knee injury. He's still doing defensive walkthroughs with jeff

761
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:04,000
Fan Gundy, which is good, but I'm building the alarm

762
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:07,199
system to start sounding off for the backup five scenario

763
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,880
of Bamba can't start getting more time consistently in five

764
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:16,719
on five. That's scary, right, the alarms aren't going off.

765
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,480
But that doesn't feel great for the backup five situations.

766
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:24,079
Speaker 2: Unless you're Kay Jones man, which I am.

767
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,599
Speaker 1: I mean, he has a chance. He's gotta run, he's

768
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,360
gotta be good a defense, he's gotta grab boards, and

769
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,880
he's gotta finish at the rim. I don't care. I

770
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,000
don't care about threes.

771
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: He's probably getting the two way contract. Kai Jones is

772
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:44,719
likely getting the two way contract.

773
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: So it's getting more camp time.

774
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would probably be wise to already think of

775
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,079
him on this team to start the season.

776
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: Totally.

777
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't know who else is getting it. I don't

778
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:56,079
think Elijah Harkless is good, but I don't think he's

779
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:59,480
getting it because it's about a need with this Clippers team,

780
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:01,320
and they haven't need in the front court, and they

781
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,440
have a need for more athleticism, and they've invested a

782
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,039
lot already into kai Jones, bringing him in before the

783
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,800
playoffs started last season. They've they've had their eye on

784
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,519
him for a while, so I think it's happening.

785
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope he has a good camp. I hope

786
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,599
he can do what he should be doing for the

787
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,320
Clippers team, which is playing back up five, not playing

788
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,440
the four, playing back up five. That's what kai Jones

789
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,320
is gonna do. Also, kai Jones maybe on my short

790
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,800
list of jerseys that Carl Tart will get next.

791
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:40,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he probably has a custom one already. He

792
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,199
went to the Flagship store and asked for a custom

793
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,000
kai Jones jersey. Since then do.

794
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,679
Speaker 3: They have the kai Jones because I remember being shocked

795
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,239
if they had, like dude, they had like every jersey.

796
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,599
Speaker 1: I think they had. Well, sure, well those I mean,

797
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,639
you can't keep those on the shelf fast enough to

798
00:41:57,679 --> 00:41:59,960
put those out. Those are claimed by dude. By the

799
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:03,920
time that box hits the front stoop, they're all. They're gone.

800
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,159
Speaker 3: They're clicking, They're gone.

801
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: That's friends and family stuff, you know, that's for people

802
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,119
who really when you really have a connect, you get

803
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:13,639
the PJ. Tuntor authentic. Coming up, we are going to

804
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:17,519
be talking the Clippers first preseason basketball game Saturday versus

805
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:20,159
the Warriors. When we're talking starting five stuff and the

806
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,440
return of the Kawhi Leonard Player of the Game pick

807
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,800
fors Clippers games. We've got ads coming up. You're listening

808
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,360
if you're not watching what you can do If you'd

809
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,000
like to, you can watch us overt YouTube dot com

810
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,760
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811
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,039
three two one.

812
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,199
Speaker 2: Welcome back into Clips and Dip. I'm meda MASLM. We

813
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,840
got check Macklin, will Updyke. This is episode sixteen of

814
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,400
season three and we have a game on Saturday. In fact,

815
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,199
if I may, it will be on Ami seventy LA

816
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:56,280
Sports pregame start clown Hell yeah, carlojomen Is in Hawaii

817
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:01,039
will be on the call in Honolulu. So starting five prediction,

818
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,400
will you first here?

819
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,599
Speaker 3: I guess I'm gonna go, even though I kind of

820
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:16,639
poo pooed it earlier. I just think because of PJA continuity.

821
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:21,159
I mean, if they were smart, If they were smart,

822
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,119
that's the way they'd go.

823
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 2: I thought you said it was gonna be our year.

824
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,880
Will's gotta start with Fija.

825
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,639
Speaker 3: I guess I'm thinking hardened Norm Terrence DJ jay Z.

826
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: In the preseason.

827
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna get some run, right. I don't.

828
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: How did these things usually go?

829
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: I thought I thought in.

830
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,039
Speaker 3: The like Honolulu game, everybody like they at least like

831
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,119
started and they only played like a couple of minutes.

832
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:58,079
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think last season, if Kawhi played, I

833
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:00,840
feel like I know he played in Seattle of the

834
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,960
year before, and that was first year back from a

835
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:08,400
c L for a couple of minutes. I should have

836
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:08,960
looked this up.

837
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: I thought that they normally played a couple of minutes.

838
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,559
All right, Well, this regard.

839
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: They might I don't know anything I remember. I can't remember.

840
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,639
Is it like the NFL.

841
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: For some reason. I just thought that a Lulu games,

842
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:29,199
for some reason, you usually saw everybody.

843
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,599
Speaker 2: It was not just during the treat Yeah, because they're

844
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:35,440
there for that reason. Steph's gonna play, The Stars are

845
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,880
gonna play a little bit, get the fans, little fans service. Yeah,

846
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,920
at least I'm gonna say most of the starters. Let's

847
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,639
say we I think Harden is gonna play. I'll say

848
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:53,360
I got hardened, I got Zoo Bots, I'll say, uh,

849
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,159
I'm gonna say, yeah, I'm just gonna I'm gonna throw

850
00:44:58,199 --> 00:44:59,960
in a couple guys that I don't think are gonna

851
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,159
be the starter in Game one of the regular season.

852
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:04,960
So I'm anna throwing Kobe Brown. I'll throw in Terrence

853
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,440
since he just got paid. And lastly, ye hah DJJ

854
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,480
for a dunk early on. That's what I'm going with.

855
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I second that. I mean that makes a lot

856
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,960
of that makes a lot of sense.

857
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 2: That was all Chuck Screen.

858
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 3: I don't know he's he's.

859
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:25,079
Speaker 2: Tried to investigate the preseason game.

860
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: He was he was blown away by these roster ficks.

861
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: Chuck, are you out there in the foyds somewhere? It's

862
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,159
such a pensive.

863
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 3: We'll bring him back in. How So was last year

864
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,800
the first year of the return of the Hawaii games

865
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,639
in a while? Because they always did it and then

866
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:48,039
they stopped doing it, and then it was last year

867
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:48,559
the return.

868
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,559
Speaker 2: I think it was the first year since the first

869
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:54,599
year of two to one three, so the first year

870
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:58,440
since twenty nineteen, I believe. I want to say where

871
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,199
I had serious fomo going on because they were in

872
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,320
Hawaii and I wasn't there, just like I'm not this

873
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,880
time either, So yeah, there was a little bit of

874
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,039
a hiatus there. They're back playing at the same place,

875
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,440
and because it's the Golden State Warriors with Steph Curry,

876
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:16,400
they're going to try to show off some of the

877
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,000
star power there and give the fans a treat who

878
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,079
have I know. I guess it's just been the crowd,

879
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,920
you know, Yeah, and they show up in a big

880
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,320
way for these games. So you're going with, give me

881
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,239
your starting five here again? Will It would be the

882
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,760
same you have for game one, right if there's no Kawhi.

883
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: I tentative on that. I was I was thinking though,

884
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,440
just because of the familiarity. I kind of liked the

885
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,920
idea of Harden, Norm, Terrence, DJJ, Viza Zubats, you know,

886
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,639
and and I'm not saying that that obviously that's not

887
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:56,480
going to finish the game, but you know, why why

888
00:46:56,559 --> 00:46:57,639
not kind of start things on a.

889
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 2: Give them a show, a fireworks show.

890
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:04,039
Speaker 1: There we go? Sorry about that.

891
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened, Chuck, what's your starting lineup?

892
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:10,519
Speaker 1: I'll probably say one that you guys just talked about

893
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:13,679
in great detail that I I'm gonna copy. But I

894
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:19,320
actually think it's gonna be will you went, Norm, harden Man.

895
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: Djjj Z.

896
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: It's hard to not want ty It's hard to think

897
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,559
that Tyler doesn't want to see that a little bit,

898
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,840
given what we might have to do this season. So

899
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:33,719
I think it might.

900
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: Be that Adam, could you see k KPJ in a

901
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:38,639
starting in a starting spot.

902
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: I think only if a guy like if Norm's not

903
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:47,239
playing in the game, if Aaron's man is not playing

904
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,880
in the game. You know, if some guys are just

905
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,599
getting rest for whatever reason, and guys are gonna get

906
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,840
dinged up in training camp. It happens all the time.

907
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:57,440
But if everybody is available, you're probably right. That's what

908
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,679
they're going with. They're going to try that out with

909
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,440
normal pal and see how much defense is still going

910
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:04,719
to be played out there while they have enough offense.

911
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is against a team that does have,

912
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,800
you know, a helio centric guard that they have to

913
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,599
deal with, so it will be interesting to see how much.

914
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:15,039
Because the coaches talk about this stuff beforehand too, write

915
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,800
like Doc used to talk about that. How they'd be like,

916
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,199
we're running this, I'm doing I want to see how

917
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,440
this works, like that kind of stuff. So it's like

918
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,000
the other it's not like a game of secrets like

919
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:29,679
the regular season. So there'll be some highly situational stuff too.

920
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,159
Maybe not so much in the first game, but in

921
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:33,679
the second.

922
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,039
Speaker 2: It's a high level scrimmage. That's all it is. But

923
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,360
there are things to take away from it. And yeah,

924
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:49,039
if Norman pals available. It might be his time, it

925
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,400
might be their year, and it might be norm Pal's

926
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,400
time because this for so long.

927
00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:00,559
Speaker 1: Might might what so Adam, what is? But we got

928
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,559
what do you want to see? Give us? What do

929
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:04,119
you want to see from this game? War?

930
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: I want to see a commitment to defense for forty

931
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,800
eight minutes, no matter who is out there. Doesn't in

932
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:20,920
the preseason, Yes, identity starts now. It builds from preseason

933
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,360
and training camp if you want to be serious about it,

934
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,360
and I feel like they have actually done that at

935
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,039
times the last few preseasons and then eventually twenty games

936
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,239
in it goes by the wayside, but they hold on

937
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,039
to the principles and the philosophies they learn a training

938
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,239
camp and the coaching they get, and then it just

939
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,679
slowly deteriorates sometimes. But I don't care who's out there.

940
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:46,239
I don't care what the final score is. I just

941
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,800
want to see good effort, good process, but mostly just effort,

942
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,320
because I know some guys are just not very good defenders.

943
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,039
But I think we'll find out at least if there's

944
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:59,199
just an emphasis in this area to show yourself well

945
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,280
on that end, because these guys are if it's a

946
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,440
real competition. And even though we think, yeah, Derek Jones

947
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:06,360
Junior is definitely gonna be in there and Terrence Man

948
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,360
is the inside track. If it's a real competition and

949
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,719
they have dangled the carrot well enough, guys are going

950
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,000
to be believing that there's a job to be won,

951
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:16,760
and you could see a real good effort.

952
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,559
Speaker 1: Do you know. We haven't really talked about yet this

953
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:21,920
episode and where we're probably gonna see what I assume

954
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,000
some defensive intensity in this preseason in the backcourt. Got

955
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:30,639
Chris Dunn. We haven't talked about it very much this episode,

956
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:34,599
but he's gonna be He's gonna be fun to watch

957
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:36,760
in the preseason because he's gonna want the spot right

958
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,400
like and where like he's gonna be the defensive intensity

959
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,400
I think is maybe gonna start from him in the preseason,

960
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,800
if that makes sense, Not that they won't be trying

961
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,280
to play it, but you know what I mean, Like

962
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,400
he's gonna bring that annoyingness that the Clippers need.

963
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: And it was just last preseason in Hawaii, I think

964
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,199
that's where they played Utah and Chris Dunn lit him up.

965
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,679
Chris Dunne. Oh, yeah, like other guys were at this

966
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,599
level and he was taking it's more much more seriously.

967
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,639
And yeah he was getting buckets out there. So maybe

968
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:15,039
we'll see some offense from him too.

969
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,159
Speaker 1: Well, what do you want to see from game one?

970
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,639
If you're able to watch it? Depending where you are

971
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,159
secret for the viewers and the listening.

972
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: Very secret location.

973
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: Hi people people would be so mad. I think people

974
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:43,519
would be furious if twenty minutes of Kawhi.

975
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:47,679
Speaker 3: I, you know, I want to see. What we've been

976
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:50,239
talking about a whole off season is like, can they

977
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,760
make Zoo a bigger, bigger full from of the offense?

978
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,920
Can they keep him involved for the full forty eight

979
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,920
minutes or you know, his minutes, his actual minutes.

980
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: Home or.

981
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 3: I mean, he's good for it, unless you're Adam and

982
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,639
you think he has us conditioning.

983
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 2: I agree with most of that point.

984
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: What are you.

985
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,519
Speaker 3: Running the show like, you know, like there's no you know,

986
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:23,880
there's no debate. He doesn't have to dance, he doesn't

987
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,559
have to dance around any egos or you know, like

988
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,679
other sort of like conflicting interests in the locker room,

989
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,719
like you know with Kawhi out it is him. You know,

990
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,920
he's he's running the show, and I'm excited to see

991
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:39,239
that too, like what things can look like when when

992
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:40,719
you know when he's when he's driving.

993
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: When you mentioned that there are gonna be like a

994
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,679
lot of rakles, it's preseason, It's like, well, the Clippers

995
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:49,000
are gonna run a lot of high pick and roll.

996
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,159
This is what it is, guys. Can you defend it

997
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,400
or not? It starts in the preseason, it ends hopefully

998
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,559
in the playoffs because or the NBA finals. Uh, you

999
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:00,679
know this is this is who they are are. They

1000
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,960
do have an identity on offense because you have James Harden.

1001
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:07,159
You know how you're going to play. That is you

1002
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:10,280
know something that I don't know. Should give you a

1003
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,920
little bit more reassurance with where they could be offensively

1004
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,000
to start off the season.

1005
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, what were you saying, Chuck? I can't remember. I'm

1006
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,559
just excited for Clippers basketball and I want to play

1007
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:24,719
the defense. What are you most excited for? Adam? There's

1008
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:25,880
what you want to see is what are you most

1009
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:26,599
excited for?

1010
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: And the Zoo point was a good one. I'm gonna

1011
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,320
I'm gonna go with with Kai Jones or KPJ being

1012
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,639
able to play if I get a seer them in

1013
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,960
the preseason in game one. That's exciting to me because

1014
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,960
they could end up being ceiling razors for this team.

1015
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:48,199
So if one of them pops, or if Jordan Miller pops.

1016
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,159
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Jordan Miller is exciting.

1017
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan Miller is definitely exciting. One of the young guys.

1018
00:53:56,519 --> 00:53:58,480
And going with the theme from earlier in the show,

1019
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:02,239
stepping up and getting fifteen in game one, that's what

1020
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,039
I want to tell you.

1021
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I love that. I think I'm most excited for.

1022
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:10,199
I think we'll see it the first hardened to Derek

1023
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,559
Jones Junior Lob just to get real hyper specific with it.

1024
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:16,960
I'm excited to see how that looks. That's probably what

1025
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,360
I'm most excited for. Will you're most excited for Game one?

1026
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: I'm with Adam. I think the young guys and seeing

1027
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:26,280
who kind of pops early is is really exciting. That's

1028
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,480
just preseason talking Wrinkles zero three.

1029
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,119
Speaker 1: A lot. Ask him about it, and Z he was like,

1030
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:34,320
what do I He's like, what do you want me

1031
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,880
to say? He said, more threes. He goes, fine, I'm

1032
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,559
shooting three or something like that. Okay, and Finally, the

1033
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,400
return longtime listeners, I'm sure have missed this in this offseason,

1034
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,800
the return of the honorable mention Kawhi Leonard Player of

1035
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,599
the Game, which we might have to rename it the

1036
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:55,480
James Harden Player of the Game given how this season's

1037
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:58,079
gonna go, because if James Harden's playing, the Clippers are winning,

1038
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:03,719
he's probably default player of the game. Will who is

1039
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,920
your pick for the James Harden Kawhi Leonard Player of

1040
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,719
the Game for preseason game one?

1041
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:12,199
Speaker 3: You know, it's a little interesting because you know, we

1042
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,880
don't fully know. I'm assuming everyone is going to get

1043
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,599
a little bit of yeah, but I'm going to go

1044
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:21,280
back to your point earlier, and I'm going to say,

1045
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,920
Chris Dunn, I'm really hoping that that he does kind

1046
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,280
of come out the gate setting the tone, and I'm

1047
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,360
not I guess, I don't know if I'm assuming he'll

1048
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,880
he'll get a little bit more run than some of

1049
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,760
the other guys, but he's just sort of a less

1050
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:40,320
known quantity. So I suppose, like from a development Clipper system, yeah,

1051
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,800
exactly exactly within the Clipper system. So I guess from

1052
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,719
sort of a development perspective, I would I guess I

1053
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,519
would like to see him get a little bit more burn,

1054
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:49,960
just to just to see what's going on there, get

1055
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,880
to try out some different lineups. You know, don't run

1056
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,400
him into the ground, but you know he's he's one

1057
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,119
of the lesser known guys in the lineup.

1058
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,559
Speaker 1: Adam, your pick, because I have to think of one,

1059
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:00,119
because we'll.

1060
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 2: Stole that same man. That's a good call. You picked

1061
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,519
a guy that plays hard, no matter what preseason game

1062
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:13,480
one or not, I will go with I'm gonna go

1063
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:17,159
with Norm Powell. I want to see Norm come out,

1064
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,519
not just gunning with his shot, but gunning for the

1065
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:23,039
number two spot in the starting lineup. I want to

1066
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:26,599
see him try to take it because he really has

1067
00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:29,159
an opportunity this year, regardless of what we have talked

1068
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:33,079
about with how poorly they could be defensively on the perimeter,

1069
00:56:33,159 --> 00:56:36,360
or if he and James harder there, I think it's

1070
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,840
possible because you need more offensive Kawhi Leonards missing games,

1071
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:43,000
there's an argument to be made. So and I just

1072
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:46,159
love Norm and he just he deserves the opportunity. Like

1073
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,320
he is, he is one of the grinders and one

1074
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,079
of the hardest workers, and the way he was treated

1075
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:55,360
not even making top three when it came to six

1076
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,360
Men of the Year and not being invited to be

1077
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,960
in the three point contest when he was, you know,

1078
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:02,960
shooting his high But pre sad as anyone. That stuff

1079
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,679
bothers me. So I appreciate, appreciate the guys who get

1080
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,400
overlooked and play with that chip on their shoulder sometimes.

1081
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: And the sixth man of the ear thing was because

1082
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,400
we had someone else on the team who was getting

1083
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:17,280
an unfair recognition for their six man contributions compared to

1084
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,119
what Norman Powell was doing. We'll leave it at that.

1085
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:23,840
Norma is a great pick. I'm going I'm going with

1086
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:29,320
the guy all things considered with how preseason basketball works,

1087
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:32,480
and we've seen this guy play a lot of preseason basketball.

1088
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:36,039
Talk about a guy who's maybe fighting for a spot

1089
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:42,360
a mere coffee, that's a good call.

1090
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:44,719
Speaker 2: I love most overlooked player this summer on the Clippers.

1091
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,199
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the first time I think we've

1092
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:51,679
talked about him in the offseason, because again, you talk

1093
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:53,519
about a known quantity in the system. Maybe he doesn't

1094
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:55,719
get as much burned in this first game, but he's

1095
00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:58,039
a guy who again is fighting for a spot on

1096
00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:00,480
this team. Oh yeah, he's got the short arms, which

1097
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,599
is the issue with the wingspan, but he's he does Uh,

1098
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,559
he's been in the system, JVG. I could see JVG

1099
00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:12,199
liking the mirror and being like, I want to see

1100
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:14,000
him get some more run. And this is preseason player

1101
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:16,679
of the game, So yeah, I think it's gonna be coffee.

1102
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,400
He'd be cool. It'd be cool if it was a mirror,

1103
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,440
I would They would also be pretty rare if a

1104
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,000
mirror came out hot to start the Yeah, I love that.

1105
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:30,159
Speaker 2: I could see him like dominating the second half, Like

1106
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:32,400
it's a mirror and a lot of backups out there,

1107
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,639
third string guys, and he is just wrecking fulls.

1108
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,559
Speaker 1: Two steals like we like, it's a couple of threes,

1109
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:41,280
like puts up like six, four and three in the half,

1110
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,320
which in the preseason, Uh, you're making things happen. Did

1111
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,960
anyone ever get back to us to determine the order

1112
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:50,719
of level of play? Oh? No, we figured out it

1113
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:55,440
was g League was ahead of of preseason. Summer League

1114
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,480
was ahead of preseason, right because guys are fighting for spots.

1115
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: I don't feel like that, Well, where.

1116
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: Do we land on it?

1117
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: I'm genuinely, Like we tabled it. We said, like, we

1118
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,719
can't come to a conclusion conclusive.

1119
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah, I don't know that I can unanimously

1120
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:14,639
come to a decision on that one.

1121
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: We'll have to bring this up when we all reconvene

1122
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:19,079
after the couple of preseason games. But it is an

1123
00:59:19,079 --> 00:59:19,880
interesting question.

1124
00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:23,039
Speaker 2: Because that's what I'm excited for most. Are we gonna

1125
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:26,679
find out a preseason and stuff with the summer league?

1126
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:30,239
Speaker 1: I mean, because there's still guys fighting for spots. Yeah,

1127
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:31,679
it's like finite.

1128
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:35,079
Speaker 2: You're closer to the start of the season. You know,

1129
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:37,519
you could make a real impact or get a look

1130
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:40,000
from a coach with these minutes you're playing right now.

1131
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,880
My argument was always Kawhi Leonard has played in the

1132
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,519
preseason right, so to me, that makes it an easy

1133
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,920
It's it's the preseason that that's more competitive. But okay,

1134
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,119
does he play as hard in the preseason? Do guys

1135
00:59:56,119 --> 00:59:58,719
that have starting spots locked up to their stars play

1136
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:01,440
as hard? So no, So maybe I don't know.

1137
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: Still, like you're talking about let's say sixty five to

1138
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,760
seventy of a top five, top ten player, we're.

1139
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: Still summer Yeah, yeah, hey, fair, very good arguments on

1140
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:15,159
both sides.

1141
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: We haven't brought up Cam Chrissy at all in this game.

1142
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:22,840
I want to see Camp du second half, Cam.

1143
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:24,639
Speaker 1: The three stars that we're going to do a hockey

1144
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:26,840
thing now, or that we just give our three stars

1145
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:27,559
for the game.

1146
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: I think there's a good chance then the second half,

1147
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,239
maybe they even start. But the guys who just ran

1148
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,599
things in Summer League for the playoffs, we're probably going

1149
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,320
to see them playing next to one another, including Harkless.

1150
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,079
Speaker 1: Out there. It's Dante Jones with the team, and.

1151
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm guessing that's cool, I think because there's

1152
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,760
no G League and stuff going on.

1153
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: Talk about someone who had an awesome offseason. Was Dante

1154
01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:56,519
Jones getting the Summer League team to play with that defensiveness.

1155
01:00:56,599 --> 01:01:00,480
That was really cool to see anything else before we

1156
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:04,599
send these people on their merry way this Wednesday evening, No,

1157
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:10,599
we kill it well said. We are going to have

1158
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,960
a live stream post game on the clips into YouTube

1159
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,880
on Saturday night. Gonna be hanging out. Maybe Adam will

1160
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,639
have one of us on the radio. I don't know, uh,

1161
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:22,519
producer stuff, a lot of red tape to figure out,

1162
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,639
but we will be live over on clippers dot com

1163
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:29,679
slash or YouTube dot com Slash at Clippers podcast will

1164
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:32,519
be tweeting at clippers pod two. If you're watching us,

1165
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:34,480
thank you. If you'd like to subscribe, that'd be great too.

1166
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:38,199
Will Where can these people give their thoughts and tell

1167
01:01:38,239 --> 01:01:40,280
their friends that they have to listen to us or

1168
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,239
they're not invited to the upcoming holiday festivities? Yeah?

1169
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely. The best way to tell us your thoughts

1170
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,760
is over on YouTube dot com. That's at clippers podcast.

1171
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,800
If you subscribe, maybe maybe get notified when we put

1172
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,000
on new videos. That'd be pretty cool. But if you're

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not into the whole video thing, you can listen to

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this podcast wherever you get your podcasts. If you listen

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over on Apple Podcasts or spot go ahead, leave a

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little ready to review. We'd appreciate it helps us out.

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But no matter how you wantch your listen, hey, we

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appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: We really do an adam one positive thing before we

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get the heck out of here.

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Speaker 3: How do you limit it to.

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Speaker 2: Just all right, a little bit of self promotion here,

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just because I am kind of proud about this and

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I wasn't the only one that worked on because of

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my director and editor guy, Chris Graham, But part two

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of the Ralph Lahler things coming out on Clippers Talk

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later tonight. I teased it a little bit earlier today,

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I said very soon. It's coming out later tonight. And

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it's really cool. A lot of you know, typical who's

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your starting all time five with the Clipper stuff, who's

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the greatest Clipper of all time type of questions, along

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with some heartfelt stuff where he talks about Derek Smith,

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who's probably one of the most underrated players and biggest

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what if stories in NBA history that nobody talks about,

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that was a part of the Clippers team in the

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early eighties. So I encourage you guys to check this

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one out as freaking Ralph Lawler and I think you're

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really gonna be entertained by this one.

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Speaker 1: There we go, a labor of love from Adam Osom

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to close us out preseason basketball Saturday Night Coach, watch

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part two and watch part one of the Ralph Laller interview.

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We will be back after the game on Saturday hanging

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out probably gonna be a happy hour situation, so come

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have fun and yeah, as always, let's go Clips.