Speaker 1: All right, welcome, welcome, welcome. Let's let this connect. Make
sure we are live streaming, says we are live. We
want to make sure the audience can hear us and
wait for the chat to catch up.
Speaker 2: I'm here in New Orleans. I'm trying to find Nick
Cage's pyramid Chum. There's a pyramid tumb.
Speaker 1: Literally down the street from me. Audience, can you hear me?
How you doing? Okay? Okay, come on, catch up, catch
up chat? Come on, come on baby, come on baby.
Can we be heard? It says it's we're not receiving
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Make sure that's worth it says live. Yeah, okay, primary
stream videos of different frame rates. You need to what
this has never been an issue? Can you guys hear
me loud and clear? Okay, they can hear us loud
and clear. All right. I'm down here in Vegas, not Vegas?
What is this city? Lost? New Orleans, and I'm gonna
be looking for Nick K's pyramid tomb. Sound is fine
for me? Eric say something? Make sure we can hear you. Eric.
Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, Mike test here.
Speaker 1: All right, So we're talking to historian Eric Jones. He's
done some really in depth research on the history of
the Illuminate confirm So we're gonna be talking about that.
We're gonna talk about the relationship to the Templars, We're
gonna talk about the relationship to modern revolutions, revolutionary movements.
We're gonna talk about William Morgan, the Anti Masonic Party.
We're gonna talk about the history of these movements in
the US, the relationship to George Washington, all these kinds
of things. But first, let me say that I appreciate
Eric Eric Junes for coming on. We will be taking
super chats also, so be sure to throw in your
super chats. Eric, how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm great today. I really appreciate you having me on
the show. So yeah, dude, thank you.
Speaker 1: Your work is really in depth, it's really scholarly, and
that's what we try to focus on here and on
my channel, and my work is the academic stuff, not
just the flights of fancy. And you have done a
lot of homework. You put a lot of time into this.
You actually did your undergrad thesis on the Morgan affair.
You said, so, I've got a bunch of questions. I'm
going to ask you questions, and we're going to go
over the content that you did in your your really
long talk. It's almost like a documentary talk you did.
You called it a video essay. I thought that was
really cool. So we're gonna we're gonna cover that. But
I want to remind everybody listening because we could get
you know, a good audience for this over the next
couple of hours that we chat. And that is to
remind all of the nerds that next Saturday, the twenty fifth,
if you are in the Texas Austin area, there's a
boiler room Jay's Analysis meet up. We're going to be
meeting at the Old Settler's Pavilion Park and I will
be there doing my essentially a book signing for Esoltery
Hollywood Deuce. I dropped the deuce not in the toilet,
but on you guys and Esoteric Hollywood too. There's not
been a book signing for this yet, so I think
I'm just gonna make this the book signing. So if
you guys want to come out to the park five
six o'clock somewhere there, we're just going to be chilling
me Hasher Spore, maybe some big name mystery guests. We
don't know yet, but we're gonna be out there chilling,
and then we're going to move to a steakhouse for
a carnivore dinner. We're going to feast on meat and
blood like the Illuminate confirm. Not really, Actually, we're gonna
learn that that's probably not going on. And in terms
of what the historic Illuminate confirm or involved in, maybe
in some weird fringe occult groups that exist in the world,
because as we're gonna see, a lot of groups will
take on the title Iminate Illuminati illuminatus because it means
enlightened ones, but that doesn't mean that they're necessarily connected
to the actual historic Bavarian group. We're gonna be talking
about the Jesuits because we have not covered that extensively.
I've talked a good bit about Malachi Martin people like
that and his history of the Jesuits and all that.
We've got to talk about Freemasonry, how it relates to
the Templars, to the Knight's Hospital, or to this order.
And again Eric has done his homework. So again this Saturday,
if you want to come hang out, there's no charge,
bring your own beer. I don't drink beer, but you
can bring your own beers or whatever to Old Settlers
Pavilion part which is actually a little bit north of Austin.
It's in Round Rock, right north of Austin. But if
you're in the Austin area, we assume that we probably
have a lot of listeners to Boiler Room into Jay's
Analysis and readers and so forth out of the Texas area.
So that's where I'm going tonight. I'm actually in New
Orleans and I literally am going to go out and
try to find Nick Cage's pyramid tomb. Don't everybody be upset.
Nick Cage is not dead, but the reality is that
he's already purchased a pyramid tomb here in New Orleans.
And if you look at the wallpaper in this hotel,
it's little skulls everywhere, So it really is illuminate Confirm.
We're actually going to see how this relates to skull
and bones and to pirates. Did you know that the
templars and that illuminate confirm relate to pirates? I wrote
about that in my Gooney's Analysis, which is in Esotericcollywood too,
by the way, But without further ado, I've rambled long enough.
Be sure to come out to the event again next Saturday.
Eric Jones, how are you? I'll put your links below.
I forgot to do it, but I will do it
when the show goes up. How are you doing it?
Speaker 3: Awesome? I'm doing great? How's your how's your travels? Today?
Speaker 1: It was a long drive. I went from the edge
of Florida all the way over to New Orleans. This
is my first time here. As soon as I pulled
it into the city, I was overcome with the stench
of pe. But that could have just been that could
have just been the area that I drove in. Maybe
I went in the wrong way. Uh. Hotel's nice. Uh so.
But I haven't gone down to the French Quarter yet,
and it's gonna be interesting because I don't drink, so
I don't I'm not going to be down there getting
I may get attacked by transvestites, I don't know. But
I'm not going down there to drink and party. But
I do want to check it out, and I do
want to see if I can find that pyramid tomb
that just sounds so so crazy. But so before we
get into the meat the material here, you tell us
about your background, you're starting up your podcast, you're starting
up your channel. What got you into this topic particularly?
Speaker 3: So, I I guess like when I was nineteen, so,
you know, more than a decade ago, I got into
starting researching all sorts of everything weird, all the world mysteries,
secret societies, conspiracy theories of all types, and you know,
as I studied more and more, I started to realize
that a lot of the guys talking about this stuff
were just total charlatan's and frauds and just trying to
make money off of popular topics. And so as I
got I don't know, I did find that there were
things to be concerned about, though, although many of the
popular conspiracies were turned out to just be nonsense. From
what I find, there are you know, powerful groups that
have a vast influence on the world, and these secret
societies are one of these, you know, really important things
that have a massive impact on the world, but many
people don't really understand. We're not really taught about them
in school. And so I decided I wanted to pursue
these topics for real, and so I went and got
my history degree, and I wrote my thesis on the
Anti Masonic Party in America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fascinating. A lot of people don't know that
there was an anti Masonic party about the Morgan affair,
which we're going to get into here in a little bit.
But I mean, this is this was my experience because
I didn't I did a history undergrad too. I was
actually one credit away from having a double double major
in history and philosophy, and what I realized and taking
a lot of history courses modern European history, and i'd
actually did a whole bunch of work in the French Revolution.
And then I actually studied under a guy who had
studied from the Frankfurt School. So I know about the
history of revolutionary movements and Marxism and the Frankfurt School,
and there's a direct ideological dissent. There might not be
a direct at all times a direct Marxistolic succession per se,
but in a way there kind of is when we
get into this subject, because a lot of the revolutionary
thinkers actually would emerge out of the lodges, as you know.
And so the first thing I came to you in
your talk that really stuck out that I liked was
the fact that you did mention, you did understand that
it's it's laughable to think that the Jacobins didn't have
a connection to the Illuminati proper and that they weren't
a big secret society force in the French Revolution itself.
Obviously they were exactly.
Speaker 3: And I start off the video with a letter from
George Washington where he says as much himself, and yeah,
I tried to start with a few sources, just kind
of give a good gut punch for people that don't.
Speaker 1: Let's start there. Let's start there. Let's I want you
to go into some depth about this because a lot
of people have heard. Oh, I think George Washington one
time said something about the Illuminati, and it's actually about
the Jacobins. And you talk about a priest who sent
him a book and said, hey, bro, have you read
this book? Illuminate confirm And then George Washington wrote back,
So tell us about Washington. Tell us about his history
in the lodges and was he really that serious? Tell
us about that.
Speaker 3: So George Washington, you might know, was a Freemason, and
the Freemasons really do like to play this up and
talk like how, you know, big into masonry he was,
and how they like to let like all organizations like this,
even like Scientology, like they like these tom Cruise they
like these big names to promote themselves, and so I
kind of look at that as how they the Masons
promote Washington as one of their guys. In this correspondence
between George Washington and a man named George Washington Snyder,
Snyder is trying to Warren Washington about how the Illuminati
is trying to infiltrate Freemasonry, and he's he's writing Washington
because he's under the impression that Washington is presiding over
all the Masonic lodges in America. But Washington, and this
correspondence explains that he's actually like barely affiliated with Masonry.
He's only been in the lodges like once or twice
in the last thirty years. So after the Revolutionary period,
he wasn't really involved. And I think that's true with
a lot of the revolutionary forefathers in America. Some of
them weren't really into the other aspects of Masonry.
Speaker 1: So when you go to like Alexandria, Virginia and they
have that big monument and there's there's Washington up there,
and he's got he's doing like the bashamet pose with
the hand up and the hand down, and this is
essentially a lot of mythology that was created afterwards. And
the actual records you're saying seemed to show that he
maybe maybe had a passing interest when he was younger,
but it was it wasn't really there.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and I think he was in his interest in
the lodge was more based around he he bought into
this revolutionary spirit and and that the the meeting, the
primary meeting place for the American Revolution was actually a
Masonic lodge. So if you were really tied up in
this revolution, you are bound to be mixed up with Masonry.
At least, whether you are a part of it or not,
you are going to be affiliating with a lot of Masons.
Speaker 1: Right. In my research, one of the things that I
came to when I was taking do my grid work
and undergrad work on the French Revolution was that we
learned that the modern right left dialectic actually comes out
of this period and out of the Jacobins and the Girondins.
They had the temporary government, the provisional government that was
set up in a tennis court, and they had on
the right where they're called the Girondins, and they favored
like private property and this kind of stuff. And then
on the left they had the Jacobins who were the
total communists. Do you think that it's accurate to say
in your research that that that is the origin of
and left and right is out of this what would
you call it a Masonic doopoly, a dialectic.
Speaker 3: I completely agree with that, And you can follow kind
of the even if you don't, like you said before,
even if it's there's not a direct connection of all
the people from one society to the next, you can
there is like a philosophical kind of history between all
these organizations. From the Jacobin Club and then there's like
the League of the Just and the Comulist League. You
have you have direct connections between these societies, and so
it's it's kind of a philosophical tradition that comes out
of that. And yeah, you had the Freemason's deeply involved
in both like the American Revolution and the French Revolution.
And I do think it is about.
Speaker 1: Kind of these dialectics, right, because because the American Revolution
is more garrond and influenced, because they wanted private property,
they wanted more of a merchant capitalist type of class
that was free to do what they wanted to do,
to kind of have the upper hand. And then in
what would be the Paris Commune and the Jacobins in
that sphere of things seventeen eighty nine, it was a
lot more radical and a lot of people then trace
sort of the Grand Orient Lodge of France and Italy
to that more radical tradition, and then England and the
Lodge of England maybe connecting more with the US because
you're going to go deep into what you go into
with the Knights of the Golden Circle and the Confederacy
and all that so which is really fascinating. But before
we go there, you interestingly in the talk you moved
from there to Templars well, no wa, you go to
the origins of vice shopped and the fact that he
was a canon law professor and that this does in
a way have a relationship to the Jesuits. But we
also can't overstress this now. Ten years ago, when I
was into traditional Catholicism, I would kind of overlook the
Jesuits of just because it seems silly. Now that I'm Orthodox,
I do think there is more to this. I don't
think the Jesuits run the entire world, but they actually
do play into this to a degree, even though they
supposedly fought the Illuminati. But what give us a rundown
of the relationship between Ignacious Loyola and the rise of
the Jesuits and how this would then give way to
Adam Bishop being a teacher of natural law and canon law.
And the reason I ask you that for that breakdown
is because I want to talk about I've always heard
and there's been this story that it actually Ignacious himself
had been before he became Jesuit, that he had been
influenced by Gnosticism and perhaps the Alambrados and this kind
of tiered structured system that literally would down the road
become the actual real Illuminati. And even after the Bavarian Illuminati,
we know that Carol Quigley says that the real Illuminadi
in England, under Lord Roshaald and others, they structured themselves
like the Jesuits. So what I'm saying is that there
is an important role even though it's not every single
Jesuit necessarily that runs the New World Order, they are
part of this in the sense that both many of
their members were involved in this conspiracy. Maybe not all
of them, but many of them were. And I think
there is something to be considered given the bizarre spiritual
practices and a lot of Roman Catholicism, and the bizarre
origins of Ignacious Loyola himself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you go back to the Alumbrados, that's
an organization was that existed in Spain before the Bavarian Illuminati,
that was in like the fourteen hundred and Ignitious Loola
was brought up on charges not once, but I believe
it was twice actually for associating with this organization which
had kind of gnostic, a gnostic background. They taught a
number I honestly haven't done enough research into the alum
Broados themselves, but it does seem like they taught a
number of really odd things, including that like they weren't
capable of sinning because they had achieved perfection. And actually
the original name of the Bavarian Illuminati.
Speaker 1: Is this Perfectabilist. Now this is important because the cath
are the Cathari of the Middle Ages, which I did
cover in my video. I've read extensively actually on the Cathari.
I know a good bit about it and then I
made that short video on the movie Eye the Devil,
which actually hints about the cathari It's not exactly historically accurate,
but they do sort of harken to that in that
famous Suarantee Taite Donald plus movie about the Illuminati basically
in a way. But what's interesting is that the kathari
who for a time in the Middle Ages, basically had
a bunch of castles that were under their control and
they kind of pissed off the papacy. The Kathariye had
just basically resurrected a lot of medieval or excuse me,
Patristic church father ara gnosticism, namely by saying that they
were the perfect they were perfected, they were the elite,
and they could not sin. And so I thought it
was fascinating that where you take the bishop stuff, it
does seem to have connections. Even though it's more of
an Enlightenment movement, there does seem to be an influence
from perhaps these medieval gnostic groups.
Speaker 3: And if you look at the symbolism of the Bavarian Illuminati,
it's got a lot of the same sort of Masonic
type symbolism, which seems to be more a cult. It
doesn't seem as rationalistic as the Bavarian illuminati kind of
prevent themselves. I do think that there's an occult kind
of center to the organization, but it's it's it's hard
to prove that set with the limited documentation we have
on that group.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which group, that there is a call of
the Bavarian So you don't think that that they were
just primarily rationalists.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. But I mean that's uh, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I'm not I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just
it's an issue that that has been debated. S. That's
a lot of people are trying to you know, they
try to like, if you who was it was a
Voltaire Ditaro who did the encyclopedia the philosoph and then
he and he puts like a a goat hooved figure
on the cover of the philosoph Encyclopedia.
Speaker 3: You know I'm talking about I don't that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look up the the you know the
encyclopedis are right, I'm not familiar, Okay, so it the
origin actually of encyclopedias is the French revolutionaries, and so
people like Voltaire and Didero, they were they were known
as the Philosofs, the Philosophers, and so they got the
idea that to increase human learning, they wanted to decentralize this.
So they said, uh, and so they came up with
the idea of of the encyclopedia, like let's just collect
together essays on science, nature, physics, all this kind of stuff, right,
exactly what we think of an encyclopedia now. And so
I want to say it's Diderot, but but I may
be going from memory here, But but in the at
the first opening page of the of the Encyclopedia of
the Philosofs, you have this sort of goat hooved h
Satanic Luciferian type of figure. It's very famous. You can
look it up. I'm not making this up. I'm not
saying that that you're you're doubting me. But I'm sure
people in the in the chat won't won't believe me.
But you can find this is very easy. I think
the Collins brothers have done articles on this. But that's
just a fascinating topic to me, is how serious did
they take the ideas like the gods or the god
forms or Minerva. And it seems like a lot of
the French revolutionary figures were pretty convinced by Enlightenment rationalism.
But that's not to say that there weren't figures who
didn't perhaps think that there really were occult powers.
Speaker 3: I guess the reason I would lean towards I think
there was some more occult powers for some of the
inner members is just like if there is if there
is a connection between the Alambrados and Ignitius of Loyola,
like then it seems like from the beginning the Jesuits
were structured like all secret societies, where you have an
inner organization and an organization, there would have existed this
sort of gnostic group within ah both of these organizations.
Speaker 1: Have you have you heard, by chance, the two talks
I did on Carol Quigley's book, The Anglo American Establishment.
Speaker 3: I haven't watched that one yet.
Speaker 1: You should watch those because he makes a really fascinating
statement in there that the the elite of the of
the British Empire, they were called the Circle of Initiates.
And this would be like Cecil Roads and the people
that literally were running the British Empire, Lord Curzon, the Astors,
the Cliveden Set, Lord Rothchild, Lot of nobility, these kinds
of people who were also you know, at the higher
levels of the lodge. We know that for sure about
cecil Rhads. And what's interesting is that he says that
the structure that they adopted for their literal secret they
called it a secret society, they called it the Circle
of Initiates. He says the structure they adopted was the
Jesuit structure. Now, the way I could conceivably connect that
to what we're talking about is by the fact that
the Grand Lodge of England publicly comes out in seventeen seventeen.
And if you read what's her name, I always forget
her name, but the book The Builders, which is about
how the Masonic Lodges were essentially the spy network of
the British Empire, that they were the means by which
they built the British Empire. If you look at her book,
she discusses this as well, how that spy network was
established for centuries. And I think you even touched on
this that it was prior to seventeen seventeen that masonry
already existed. But what do you think, what's the connection
between seventeen seventeen and Adam boyshot, is there one.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily I wouldn't necessarily make seventeen seventeen to wid.
Speaker 1: Well, What I'm saying is that you did talk in
your talk about the Grand Lodge Right of England.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I mentioned the when they went public
was the Right and then that was yeah, seventeen seventeen,
But you did have a number of lodges that existed
before that, including in the Americans in Europe, right, just
hadn't kind of formulated under one organized public structure, and
that was when when they kind of went public. The
White Shopton like found his organization until seventeen seventy six.
Speaker 1: Right, I understand. But what I'm saying is that what
I'm getting at is the accusations of him filtration because
as you know, in the the Washington Letters and then
uh in the Proofs of a Conspiracy, Uh, the claim
is that the Illuminati would were they set out to
infiltrate the Masonic lodges. And so I guess what I'm
asking is why why did they do that? Like, why
didn't they just set up their own secret society? Why
do they feel like they needed to infiltrate the Masonic lodges.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I have a good answer for that.
Speaker 1: I mean, was it just because it was already there?
Just it was it was easier to do.
Speaker 3: They wanted to work in secret secrecy, and I think
a number there are many organizations that have used Masonry,
including modern intelligence agencies who use secret societies like Masonry
because it is already a vast network of men who
are committed to silence and like so it exists as
a very good launching platform for all sorts of different
different people with different goals, and so that when you
look at masonry itself, there are all sorts of different
organizations within Masonry, some of which condemn each other.
Speaker 1: Right, So tell us then, So in your talk you
moved from by Shop back to Templars. So tell us
about the John J. Robinson the Born and Blood Book.
Tell us about the origin, the history of the Templars
and why they were so controversial.
Speaker 3: So the Knights Templar were founded to be an organization
that was basically protecting pilgrims as they traveled to the
Holy Land, but they eventually got condemned as a kind
of satanic cult is their and so it's kind of
an odd bit of history and John so John J.
Robinson wrote this book called Born in Blood where he
was trying to research like some of the peasant revolts
and like the Black Plague, he wasn't necessarily even looking
for what he came across, but he started to realize
that during one of these great peasant revolts, the people
seemed to have organization and were targeting the Knights hospitallers.
And this caused him to do a lot of research
and he kind of put together and his book he
argues that the Knights Templar after they were suppressed, they
kind of hid underground and created this kind of organization
called the Great Societies one name for it, and they
eventually sought revenge on the Hospitallers. And eventually this is
the group that went public later in seventeen seventeen as
the Free Masonic Lodge. And if you look at Masonic text,
they they're often pretty open about like claiming to have
templar or right.
Speaker 1: And the accusation was that the Templars were getting into
some pretty dark bath. I mean they even used the
term baffo mat right. I mean, I've actually read the
Council the Franco Papal council that condemned the the Templars.
I've read all the Conciliar documents. It's really fascinating because
they they say that they had like some severed head
of a of an animal that they were calling God
or something. And again I'm not saying that they weren't gnaustic,
but there's also the the the angle to this to
where I'm no longer that much of a fan of
the Franco power structure, the Frankish kings, and I think
that they were probably pretty greedy. So what what you
mentioned is that they had built a pretty vast store
of wealth, a kind of a banking empire, and so
it could also be that maybe they were involved in
in nefarious stuff. But maybe it's also true that the
King of France, who had a close relationship with the Pope,
perhaps even control of the Pope, that they wanted the loot.
In the way that they got the loot was that
they moved it from being under the control of the
Templars to the Knights Hospital.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly like and it seems to be I mean,
money is always one of the things that drives conflict,
so it seems like there was more to There's more
to the death of the Templars than they were just
a gnostic or a cult group. They does seem to
be political and economic motivations behind taking down the templars.
Speaker 1: And also interestingly to the Vatican apologize for the templar
condemnation a few years ago.
Speaker 3: Did you know that I've I know that they've been
on and off with how they spoken about this. I
haven't heard about this research.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually that they apologized several years ago, because I
remember it very vividly. As a traditional Catholic. I saw that.
I was like, this is crazy. How can we apologize
for condemning people that were supposed to be infallibly condemned anyway?
So moving on, how do we get this is an
interesting connection? How do we get from this to pirates?
How did we get from templars to pirates? Right?
Speaker 3: So, the Knight's Templar had a fleet, and that fleet
kind of went missing after the Templars went were condemned.
So many of the Templars fled to other nations. They
joined other orders. Actually, the Pope had tried to get
the templars before they were destroyed. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Can you speak up a little bit. The audience is
saying that they can't really hear you.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Sure. So the Pope had the Pope had
tried to merge the orders. Actually, instead of just destroying
the Knights Templar, he had hoped to kind of save,
you know, salvage some of the order by combining them
with the hospitallers. And I kind of lost my train
of thought there.
Speaker 1: That's okay. Yeah, So what we're trying to get at
is the the dubiousness of this on multiple levels. And
one level is the fact that the Templars were supposed
to be an order devoted to poverty. I mean, their
whole thing was that they were going to protect the
pilgrims going to the Holy Land. And the irony is
that they apparently got fabulously rich. They had so much
swag and bling, and that probably made the Pope and
the King of France very jealous. And so I would say,
by the way, that this backs up some of the
Frankish thesis. If you're not familiar with the Frankish thesis,
I will try to leave a link below that's a
really good book on the history of the Byzantines versus
the Franks. That's a big part of Orthodox history especially
is to understand the conflict between Byzantium and the Franks,
because that plays into the rise of the medieval papacy.
Also too, it's interesting that the Templars adopted the banking
modes and models that were forbidden. Did you come across
the usage of usury on the part of the Templars
and your research? And the reason I bring that up
is because Christendom for the first millennium had forbidden usury,
and interestingly, it's right after the Renaissance that the papacy
starts to lax its view and allow international usury. And
a lot of times the accusations, oh well, that's all
a certain tribe that did that, But actually the Templars
also did this, and also it was forbidden, and the
first power structure to begin to allow this wasn't Byzantium,
although Byzantium did, I think, allow a bit of usery
towards the end of it, towards the decline of Byzantium.
The real power structure that permitted usury across uh Christendom
was the papacy. M h.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And for that the that's basically how the Templars
acquire acquired their wealth. They they presented themselves as a
rather poor organization. One of their symbols had them two
templars writing on the same course, and so they at
first presented themselves as a rather poor organization. But they
the way their kind of banking system started was people
were traveling these large distances, and so in order to
keep their wealth safe, the Templars kind of started this
system of banking by giving out, you know, promises of
your wealth so you didn't have.
Speaker 1: To traumissory notes. Basically, yeah, so that allows them for
the creation of fiat banking on the basis of wealth
that they didn't actually possess, which quickly eventually talks about
in Tragic Hope. He talks about the banking notes and
how this became prominent after the Renaissance.
Speaker 3: And I would like to jump back to the I
remembered my train of thought, So back to the pirates.
So the Pope had wanted to merge these orders, but
then the templars, so many of them had to flee
to join different orders or but they had this fleet,
and the fleet went missing, and many of the templars
ended up actually turning to piracy, and so you have
like many of these secrets more modern secret society using
the skull and bones, the jolly Roger symbol of piracy.
And that's actually this connection exactly.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is that people we hear this in
the conspiracy realm, and actually this is true, that that
really is the origin of the jolly Roger.
Speaker 3: Right, that's exactly right. And so that's why we see
the skull and bones symbol. Like from skull and Bones itself.
We also see the Masons use this, right, I believe
the Bavarian Illuminati also is the skull and bones.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And another significant signification of the skull and bone
and Jolly Roger is that if you think about pirates,
pirates are libertarian in many ways in the sense they're
anarcho libertarian in the sense that they didn't see themselves
as under the jurisdiction of any state. They were under
not really maritime law, but no law, because they could
just sail away. And so the reason that the pirate
is kind of an analogy to the international financier, the
international corporate elite, the one percent of the planet, is
that they can crash a nation's economy, through hedge funds,
through derivatives, through all kinds of different means, and they
don't get in trouble because they can just go somewhere
else because they're not bound to any nation state or
national ties. And the origin of that idea, I think,
actually is in piracy. It's pirates, Uh, and there's there's
a lot to be gained from understanding that realm of things,
that that that pirates are actually the perfect analogy for
what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and one of the Masonic ranks actually says this
rank will make you a brother to pirates and corsairs.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know that. That's crazy. So, uh, that
actually makes me think and I've thought for a long time.
I know my Goonies analysis touched on pirates and why
Goonies relates to this and with the astors and astoria
and all that. But you can also think about the
fact that that Pirates of the Caribbean, the Disney movie,
if you remember, they actually kind of hint at this
in a couple of the of the films. They hint
at the fact that the pirates are beyond and outside
of law. They have a kind of rough code amongst themselves,
amongst the elite. Right, But and and that's who they recruit.
The pirates recruit the Orlando Bloom character and the the
Cure and Night character is like the daughter of some
British noble dude, right is yeah, so and then she's
brought into this realm of the dark Side and the
pirates and all that. So I do think there's some
esoteric elements going on to the Pirates of the Caribbean.
It's hinting at what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like the third movie or something, they have
like this giant kind of pirate gathering or something they do.
Speaker 1: They have a pirate Council.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's actually interesting because they have this structure
to them, whereas yeah, it's it's not it's not necessarily
And Keith Richards.
Speaker 1: Was there, remember it was it's John A.
Speaker 3: Depp as Jack Speer and then.
Speaker 1: Keith Richards shows up as like the the aged you know,
King of Pirates. Yeah, if you remember from I'd forgotten
that that's in part three. You're right. They have the
Pirate Council, which is just like the Mafia council. Is
Godfather one or two, Godfather one or is it too.
I can't remember which one has the council anyway, So revolutionaries,
this was an interesting point you made that after the plagues,
you said something about how they made they made an
excuse and so that the plagues happened because of the
elite or something. What did you say it was?
Speaker 3: It was basically a line where Robinson, I think does
a really makes a really great point about secret societies
and how they offer it in general, because he was
talking about the how the public was so unsatisfied and
unhappy because they had gone through these plagues and they
had gone through there was a lot of wars.
Speaker 1: So they tried to don't let a crisis go to waste, basically,
as we've heard many times, don't let a good crisis
go to waste. And then and what happens is that
when you study revolutionary thought revolutionary literature, if you go
back to the let them eat cake in the French Revolution.
She actually didn't say that that was something that the
what the revolutionaries would do is hang out in the
salons in France and the coffee houses and they would
kind of start up these newsletters and pass this gossip around.
It was basically like the the tabloids of their days
was these little print out gossip sheets. And that started
as like this gossip on a print out gossip salon magazine.
And she didn't even say that, but it worked very
well because it took hold and people thought, oh, you know,
it was basically the fake news of its time. People thought, oh,
Marie Antoinette says that, you know, while we're done her poor,
she says, well, why don't we just eat cake? Right?
But that was actually a creation of the revolutionary So
what they were doing was if there was poverty, they
were capitalizing on that and motivating the masses on the
basis of their passions to you know, hate the ruling
elite or whatever, as if as if every bad situation
or the play as if the plague comes along because
there's a rich person. It's absurd. But that's how they
that's how it works.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Secret Society is Robinson Largis is like,
that's how they that's how they expand their power, is
they they take advantage of these situations and try to
direct the rage that the public is feeling for how
they're they're being trodden upon, and so they try to
direct that towards their enemies so that they can get themselves.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is a classic technique of psychological warfare, art
of war type stuff. So I want to remind everybody
we are talking to Eric Jones, historian and researcher who's
done a lot of research into the history of Bavarian illuminati.
I want to talk about Baron Niggy, Baron Vond and
Niggy next, because you did have an important place for
him in your talk, and he comes up in Terry
Mullanson's really good book Perfected Bilis, which I recommend. If
you want to really scholarly historic treatment of the order
Bavarian Order, you get Perfected Blis by Terry Mulaanson. But
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Now we're going to move up back to y shop
away from the pirates. Why does he relate to? Well,
now wait a minute, so how did the pirates? So
the how does the pirates and the templars relate to
the Illuminati. That's what we want to know here.
Speaker 3: Uh So the I went back in my video to
talk about the templars more to because I wanted to
explore I'm more more focused on masonry, so I was
trying to just show the origins of masonry with the
Knights templar connection. Although we do later see that skull
and bones connection, does it is a bit more important
because we'll see there that that connects to the Bavarian Illuminati.
They also use that symbol. So yeah, you do have
masonry and the Illuminati and these all these groups often
share the same sorts of symbolism exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what makes it confusing is that you can't just
look at the symbols because different groups will have the
same symbols and it gets kind of and you can't
just assume that the symbol means the same thing every
single time. It doesn't. I mean, if you look at that,
this is something that really pisses me off. And people
try to interpret symbols and they're and they're all messed up.
Like if you see a cross Gnostics used across they
have the white circle with the black you know, kind
of it looks like a bullseye. That's a Gnostic cross.
We wouldn't conclude that because Gnostics used a cross, that
therefore all usages of the cross are Gnostic. That's nonsense,
because the cross far precedes the usage of medieval Gnostics.
That's that's stupid. So in the same way, you have
to be careful with symbols because they can have different
meanings in different contexts.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's very worth paying attention to symbols,
especially when you're looking at powerful organizations. But yeah, it's
you have to like do your homework every time because
different groups will use these different symbols and different things.
Speaker 1: All Right, So tell us about Baron von Niggi. He
was a powerful aristocrat, right and uh, he was, he was,
he he was recruited. He didn't he fall for by
Shop's plan.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so Baron von Nigi was an important person
in society, and he was probably the key figure in
that what Adam Weishaf recruited to spread the illuminism inside
of freemasonry.
Speaker 1: And so how successful do you think that was? Did
it or did it kind of burn out or did
they really gain some power in the logic, because that's
actually what Washington and in the letters, what he was discussing,
was how successful was this?
Speaker 3: Exactly. Washington had the perspective that they were not that successful,
that they that they had been unable to take over
freemasonry in America like proof of a conspiracy. Argued, and
but we do know that the the organization had spread
throughout Europe at least they had made it to numerous
different countries. So to me, it seems like to me,
it seems kind of absurd to believe that the Illuminati
was destroyed because eventually the organization was disbanded in.
Speaker 1: Well, even if the organization itself didn't continue on in
the structure that originally had the ideology that Bishop lays
out in his plan, absolutely continued on, for example, communism.
I mean, that's what a lot of people don't know
is that the root of this ideology is actually communism.
This is the real origin of communism, is that he
believed in the sharing of property. And if I recall,
he also mentions the usage of private philanthropic organizations, doesn't he.
Speaker 3: And that's really what these secret societies are trying to
do is impact philosophy at a global level. That is
how they influence the world by pressing philosophy so well.
Speaker 1: And that's why you see a lot of these orders,
people in these orders taking on philosophic names, right, I
mean you had, you know, some of them called themselves Seneca,
some of them they would refer to Minerva, minerval Order.
These are all I mean, yeah, they are god titles,
but they also refer to philosophers. Spartacus, right, Spartacus Bishop,
that was his name, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exact, Like all the members of the order
had code names, and us was Bishop's code name.
Speaker 1: And if you don't the reason for that is because
Spartacus is the slave guy who overthrows. Right. If you've
seen the Kubrick movie Spartacus, then you know the idea
being that he overthrows his his oppressor, right exactly.
Speaker 3: And that's That's largely what I would say both Masonry
and the Illuminati wanted. Maybe the structure that they wanted
in place after was was different. But I think they
both wanted to overthrow the church and overthrow.
Speaker 1: The monarchs, right, so alter and thrown, overthrow and establish
basically Plato's republic. It's it's it's all back, it goes
back to Plato's republic. Really, do you agree?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know more of Plato than I I
know that, Yes.
Speaker 1: So in in Plato's Republic he says that he says,
let's establish a communistic, uh secular basically republic. So so
would you agree that the that the philosophy of the
revolutionaries is essentially what you get in the Enlightenment and afterwards.
Speaker 3: Definitely, Yeah. I think that those the revolutions that we saw,
just like in the old peasant revolt with the Great Society,
you know, we had these secret societies. We're one of
the key determining factors of that all played out and
the philosophies that we've we are left with in the
modern world.
Speaker 1: So tell us about William Morgan. Let's move into later
on American history and what's the Morgan affair. Why is
William Morgan interesting? Interesting and important?
Speaker 3: So William Morgan was a royal arch Freemason and he
decided to write a book that was going to expose
some of the secrets of Masonry. And he it was
he was going to write a book that exposed the
first three ranks and it basically got into what the
initiation rituals were, what the oaths they took were, and
he showed some of like the Masonic hand grips that
they used. They've got like kind of like you know,
gang handshakes, Masonic uh shakes that they do. And so
the Freemasons didn't like this, and they decided to kidnap
and murder William Morgan, and they tried to burn down
the publishing house. They also tried to capture his publisher
as well, but they were unsuccessful and burning down the
publishing house and capture capturing the publisher. But they did
managed to capture and murder William Morgan, but his book
was printed and the American people responded with a large
movement that turned into the Anti Masonic Party, and it
was led by men as notable as John Quincy Adams.
Speaker 1: That's interesting that a lot of people don't know that
the Anti Masonic Party that that John Q. Adams was
a big part of that. And you talked a little
bit about Andrew Jackson, and I'm curious because actually he
has a big statue here. Actually was Jackson and Mason?
I want to say. I heard that he was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe he was. And the Anti Masonic movement
was largely it was basically they were they were fighting
against the Jacksonian Democrats, which were more infested with Masonry
than other parties. Maybe, but the Anti Mason's wanted to
get Mason's out of politics altogether because you know, in
the in the events following Morgan's death, it was extremely
hard to get anyone punished for this. I think the
largest sentence anyone faced was two years.
Speaker 1: What about Jefferson? He always seemed to me to be
uh influenced by outright Jacobinism and Illuminism, because I've read
I've read some of his essays where he says we
need bloody revolutions, they can be a good thing. He
seemed to like a lot of these pretty hardcore revolutionary ideas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't found a lot that shows direct connections
between Jefferson and secret societies philosophically though it does.
Speaker 1: He seems to have the ideology even if he wasn't
directly involved in any of the groups per se.
Speaker 3: He the thing that I found that convinced me that
he was he probably is affiliated, as he mentions a
certain story connected to He mentions these guys Hengist and Horsa,
and their story is connected to an event that happens
on May first, which is the day that the Bavarian
Illuminati was founded. And it's kind of this weird reference
that we can get into that more if you'd like,
But it was just this kind of odd occult reference
that he made that made me think that he probably
is tied up with one of these groups or more.
But I've just never seen proof of his membership of
any one of these societies.
Speaker 1: So you've got Morgan being in what looks like a
Masonic vengeance ritual. This provokes the Morgan affair. And then
but this party isn't very successful and eventually they kind
of fizzle out and they they merged with the Whigs.
Is that right?
Speaker 3: That's exactly right?
Speaker 1: Right? They?
Speaker 3: I mean how successful they were at they they weren't
like Vermont had an anti Masonic governor, you know, like
they did manage to win some some political positions, but
I think that their success was in uh many Masons
left the order. Many Masons did come out and see
that it was a corrupt organization. Other other Masons wrote
books as follow ups to Morgan's book, further exposing more
of the secrets. So like today it's so easy to
get your hands on all sorts of Masonic material, back then,
it was not nearly that easy. They all of their
you know, oaths were actually were a secret. You know,
today we have we have access to you know, all
sorts of things. Also partly just because of the internet exactly.
Speaker 1: Uh So, let's see what's next in my notes here.
Uh So, then let's talk about the Lincoln situation, Prince
Hall Lodge and tell us what the mystical orcondom is. Uh.
Speaker 3: Well, with the Prince Hall Lodges, that's those were lodges
that were founded by a group of black people who
wanted to form a Masonic lodge or they I think
they first tried to just join a Masonic lodge in
New York. They were rejected, and so they decided to
form their own lodges and.
Speaker 1: Was this basically it was successful in the North, but
not in the Confederacy, right.
Speaker 3: Prince Hall?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is this after Civil War? Before?
Speaker 3: I can't remember, this is before the Civil War?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So in England they accepted the Prince Hall mason that
they basically said, yes, you can be Mason's. In America
they did not accept that, not even in the North,
like New York was like specifically very against this, and
they so they rejected Prince Hall masonry. Even though the
Grand Lodge of England had said that they could form
a lodge. The white Freemasons in America refused to associate
oricon college them as brothers.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. But so so tell us then about how
this is it relates to you know, Pike, Albert Pike
Morals and Dogma. He's a Confederate general. His statue is
still up in d C. Of course, nobody's gonna take
that one down. And he teaches if you've read Morals
of dog And you know, he teaches that it's just
the syncretistic thing that you control people with the lower level.
Dumb dumbs don't know what's going on. In the higher levels.
They know that it's a control structure and this does
relate to the Knights of the Golden Circle and the Klan.
And that was as far as I've seen, and I've
seen the Nick Cage movie that confirms it National Treasure too.
Knights of the Golden Circle were involved in the assassination
of Lincoln, correct.
Speaker 3: They were. And so the Knights of the Golden Circle
was a Masonic offshoot organization that formed in the South
before the Civil War, and they were trying to save
the South and preserve slavery. And so you had, yeah,
this kind of spin off Mason Mason, an organization that
it seems like Albert Pike might have been involved in
the creation of both the Knights of the Golden Circle
and the KKK. Finding like, yeah, people debate that Mason
Mason's debate that. A lot of people think that's true though,
And so that the original KKK was actually uh kind
of the militant arm of the Knights of the Golden Circle.
And members of the Golden Circle included John Surratt and
John Wilkes Booth. And John Wilkes Booth was the man
who shot Lincoln. Of course, he also recruited John Surratt.
The Serrats were another important family in the assassination effort.
And so, yeah, these guys were both members of the
Secret Society which murdered President Lincoln and was trying to
deserve the South.
Speaker 1: So give us your when we look the tears and
doctrines of masonry, when you get up to that thirty
two thirty three level, if you if you know, if
you know Pike and that kind of stuff, what does
it mean when we get these statements about the seething
energies of Lucifer and the kind of weird stuff that
Manley p Hall says, What is ultimately going on with masonry?
Speaker 3: In your view, that's a big question.
Speaker 1: Well, how do they present Lucifer You talked about this
in your Yeah, the.
Speaker 3: The occult view of Lucifer. I think the best way
to describe it is they would compare Lucifer to Prometheus, right,
So he was somebody that was fighting for humanity, who
wanted to give us knowledge that God or the gods
were trying to keep from us. And so in their
telling of the story, the hero is Lucifer or Prometheus,
and so they like they view Lucifer as as the
bearer of light, the bearer of knowledge. They view him
as a good guy who and some of so you'll
have Masons who take that more literal. I think you
do have actual Masons who really do believe that they
can become gods. You have that literal take. I think
there is also a more kind of Enlightenment type view
of just the idea of the story, but they're not
taking it so literally.
Speaker 1: Well, you get in like in the what are they're
called the irregular lodges, the black lodges, the sorcery type lodges,
which would be like Crowley's type of stuff where they're
really trying to do with Jack Parsons and they're trying
to do these rituals to become gods, right exactly.
Speaker 3: But I mean you do you have some of that
in all of masonry. And I would say, like, but
that statue you mentioned with Washington making the these occult
gestures and like these there's that there's a painting called
like the Apotheosis of Washington. I believe it's called It's
got all this missalt Masonic symbolism built in. Yeah, and
so I do think you have this occult side throughout
all of it, although more some of them are.
Speaker 1: And throughout the war a lot of people don't know that.
You can go to uh Union monuments, and you can
go to Confederate monuments. You can go to the Jefferson
Davis Monument, and it's the exact same giant obelisk that
is the Washington Monument in d C. The Jefferson Davis Monument,
which is in Kentucky. I've seen it. It's not very
far from where I used to live in Tennessee. It's
the exact same as Washington's giant obelisk. It's just as
Masonic as what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, I.
Speaker 1: Mean and and and downtown d C too. By the way,
people forget this. Chris always used to bring this up
one afternoon comment when you commune, when you go to
after when you go to d C. It's just this
giant Masonic my mythological tale that's built into all of
the streets and architecture of Washington, d C. Everywhere. Yeah,
some people National Treasure with Nick Cage is goofy, but
it's actually kind of true because that really is what's
going on in d C.
Speaker 3: Exactly. People get can get kind of ridiculous with some
of their speculation around some of the stuff. But yeah,
there's no question just looking at some of this, it's
obviously Masonic. They're not hiding that it's Masonic. There's a
Masonic symbol on our dollar bill, you know, like it's
not a it's not a secret that Masonry has tied
up in our government, in our history. And so the
idea that we don't know much about that though through
our general schoolings kind of problematic.
Speaker 1: Idy That is interesting because you would think, yeah, you
would think we would know about that because it is
a big part of our history. But all right, we're
gonna read some super yah super chat time. Question you
don't mind taking questions due because I haven't read these,
so I don't know where they may be for both
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So the first one, Lawrence Balanai two dollars, Thank you, Lawrence.
He says there are thirty Masonic lodges in Saint Louis.
That's crazy because I thought that was supposed to be
a Catholic town. Uh, well, that doesn't really mean much,
especially not after Vatican too, right, and yeah, I'm not
surprised about that. I've been to Saint Louis multiple times.
I didn't know there was that many lodges there. That's
pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: You'll find lodges everywhere, including you know, middle of nowhere towns.
Speaker 1: Absolutely everybody to have you watched The Man Who Would
Be King?
Speaker 3: Yet I've I know it's loaded with masonics.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the ultimate Hollywood Mason movie. Everybody's got to
watch Man Who Would Be King? And it's it's based
on the Rudyard Kipling story, so he's actually writing you
the British Imperial Masonic story into story form. And then
of course Sean Connery plays the role Brother Zakhar ten dollars.
This is my first super chat. I wanted to let
you have it, Jay, and I wanted you to have it.
Thank you and not let me have it. Keep it up.
You're doing God's work. Well, thank you, brother. I think
I appreciate that we are trying to do positive things
here and so thank you for that. John B. One dollar,
Thank you, John B. Zoomer hub five bucks. I'm a
nature guy. I'm very intrigued by Norse paganism because of this,
but I also like your stuff too, man about Eastern Orthodoxy.
I'm learning well, awesome, dude, Thank you.
Speaker 4: In fact, there's a great lecture by doctor Philip Cherrard
about how Orthodoxy is concerned with the re sacramentalization, in other.
Speaker 1: Words, the viewing of nature again as a sacrament the
way it used to be prior to modernity, and that's
actually something that Norse paganism is interested in as well.
So you actually, if you look up the lecture on
YouTube by doctor Schirard called Presubpositions of the Sacred, you
will find that very fascinating and that would be perhaps
a good bridge from Norse pagan understandings to what we
talk about. Zumer Hubb again for five bucks. He says,
I'm a non Christian, but I respect your analytical presentation
of your faith. It's very interesting. Thank you. Correct. Yes,
we follow the tradition of the Church fathers at my
channel and in my work, where we do believe that
you can utilize philosophy to explain and to aid in
the apologetic Thank you, our role, our old debate, friend,
our perennials debate, for we had a great debate. By
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role there twenty bucks, Thank you, Arval. Were there any
occult motives behind the Crusades? This is fascinating, I say yes.
And if you watch the Russian documentary on Byzantium, I
think it touches on this. Do you have any views
Eric on the Crusades.
Speaker 3: I'm still I'm kind of have mixed feelings on the Crusades.
I think there was a lot of corruption going on
there and a lot of different I do think you
had a cult influences active, but it's it's hard to
say how much I would say. But I mean, if
you look at like the Templars and the Assassins or
the hash Ashians, you do have these kind of occult
groups active.
Speaker 1: So you think that it's likely that the Templars actually
did get into some gnostic ideas.
Speaker 3: I believe that they did.
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, so yeah, I would say, rbl if you
haven't watched the Russian documentary on Byzantium, which touches on
the Crusades. And I again, if you look into what's
called a Frankish thesis, which I do think is legit,
I'm not seeing Romanites is legit. But just because just
because Romanites talked about the Frankish thesis, and I think
Romanites is goofy doesn't mean that the frank thesis is false.
You can you can look at Saint Phocius the Great
at in his day he was writing letters about the Franks,
which would become the Frankish thesis. So uh, slaber shops
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let's see Bob Bob two. Did Burr and Hamilton and
their controversy have anything to do with the Masonic elements,
that's a question to you.
Speaker 3: I believe that they were both free Masons.
Speaker 1: Ah interesting, but so we had a Masonic duel going
on there.
Speaker 3: It's hard to say what was going on there. I mean,
I don't know if there was any occult.
Speaker 1: No occult significance to that one autocrat Justinian five dollars.
What books would you recommend analyzing the build up of
the Enlightenment and it's anti Christian ani mark monarchical enterprise
until the present day. I would say read the Haiko
Oberman book Medieval Harvest of Medieval Philosophy. Hits his book
on Gabriel Bile, because Gabriel Bile is who prepares b
I e. L Nominalism for Luther's influence. By Bile you
have the release of nominalism by the reformer and the humanists.
That becomes the empiricist approach of the Enlightenment. So you
want to read Haiko Oberman's book Harvest of Medieval Theology.
That's what I would say. John McCrae, two thousand and six,
four nine nine, Thank you very much, John. Appreciate that
cryptocurrency stem five bucks. What sources are considered authoritative on
Masonic rituals and their true meanings? I think morals and
Dogma's unquestionable. I think Secret Teaching of All Ages by
Manly P. Hall. Those are classics. I don't think I've
never heard them disputed. There's what McCoy's Masonic Encyclopedia or whatever.
What are the sources you think are the kind of
the mainstays.
Speaker 3: I think my three go to you guys are Pike, Mackey,
and Haul So Mackey is the encyclopedia I'm talking about.
He's got a Masonic encyclopedia that's very useful for just
looking up terms. But he's got other works as well.
I think the easiest one to read is Manly P. Hall.
I would really recommend Secret Teachings of All Ages to
give you a good overview of all sorts of occult topics.
And I just think he's more enjoyable to read than
a lot of these Masonic writers can be kind of
painful to slave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I've got like the Lomas
and all those clowns that are the more modern guys
and on all that they do. The one book that
Lomas has it's relevant is his Freemasonry in the Royal Society.
That's a very important book because he proves that modern
scientism comes out of Masonry and that the Royal Society
promoted this as a Masonic entity and institution. That's very important.
But otherwise the rest of Lomas's books, it's all the
real Jesus is gnostic Jesus like Zeitgeist level stuff. So
I don't recommend any of the other stuff. But okay,
so we are getting a little long here. I'm really tired.
I've been driving all day and we had a really
cool talk. This is a great introduction. Your video is
much longer. It's about two hours and what thirty minutes,
It's like two hours and forty minutes. Yeah, So I'm
going to have that link below, But tell everybody right
now your channel if they want to subscribe to you,
because you're going to be putting out more of these
kind of really in depth analysis, probably gonna have a
book one day. What's your what's the name of your channel?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so my channel is picking Bones.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna add it when you when you, let's
see awesome.
Speaker 3: Picking Bones too. Yeah. And for this video that I did,
spend about six months working on it. I I wanted
to launch with something pretty big, so I put a
lot of work into it. So i'd definitely encourage you
to go check that out. But I want to start
producing you know, shorter videos and just you know, make
this a regular thing. I'd like to make a career
out of this doing stuff similar to what is doing.
Speaker 1: So all right, so let me add real quick here
to the descripts. Well, I can't do that right now.
Let's see, I'm gonna put it in the chat for everybody,
and I will add it here to the So here's
his channel, everybody, and right now his first video is
this two hour, forty minute kind of really end up
historical treatment. So you guys can check out his his
link there and then where's okay, I'll just add it
to the to the show description right now while I'm well,
I'm thinking about it, so I don't forget. So they're
in the show description now. Is his thing, and I
think we did get another super chet here, so let
me go back to that.
Speaker 3: Cool and let's see here.
Speaker 1: Nick Kaye just calling me. He wants me to come.
Speaker 2: And find his pyramid chum, find my pyramid chumb, and
I'll grant you interest into the Hollywood Illuminati.
Speaker 1: Zoomer Hub two dollars. If I ever do convert, it
will be to orthodoxy. That's what we want to hear, bro,
Glad to hear that, absolutely, we hope. So so I've
added Eric's links there. He's got again really really end
up stuff. I'm getting kind of tired of and driving
literally all day, so I don't think I can keep
going much longer. But thank you guys very much, really
fascinating talk. We want to keep this kind of tight.
Everybody check out his stuff, subscribe to him. Also, subscribe
to Just some Guy. I've put up his links too.
We did a long interview. He's trying to start his
podcast similar material. He's really into Quiggly He's doing quickly Talk.
So subscribe to Eric, Eric Pickingbone, subscribe to Just Guy,
our new friends, and then we will look forward to
new content. Eric. What do you what's your next project?
What can we look for next?
Speaker 3: I guess I have. What I want to do is
become an expert in secret societies. You know, my expertise
is the Morgan Affair. That's what I've got the most
experience in. But I really do want to just know
all that I can about Mason Ray and the Illuminati
and secret society. So I'm probably gonna go through books
and do book analyses. Do also breakdowns of some of
the topics that I cover in the video, because a
lot of the topics I only gave about five minutes,
right right, go more in depth in the various topics.
Speaker 1: Marco calib Bic three Canadian, Thank you very much, Marco
appreciate that. Yeah, really cool talk tonight. All right, God
bless everybody. I'm too tired. I don't think I keep going,
but thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Eric.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on. We had a great audience.
I think we almost got up to three fifty when
we got up to four hundred, So that's great for
a live audience, and I'm glad we did this Friday.
You get a bigger live audience on a Friday night
or some Saturday night than you would on Tuesday night,
so it's actually worked out better. And again reminder to everybody,
if I go to if I find Nick Cage's too,
you bet I'm gonna shoot a video. As people are
saying in the chat, of course, I'm gonna shoot a
video there, and the whole video will be me talking
like Nick Cage like I'm dead or something. I don't know,
but yes I will. And Saturday, if you're in the
Texas Round Rock area or even outside of that area,
come to our boiler room meet up and maybe maybe, maybe,
just maybe we can talk some big name people secret
guests into showing up. I don't know yet, but I
will be there, Hesher will be there, A Sport will
be there, and the rest of the billroom crew. Thank
you guys very much, God bless have a great night.
Speaker 3: Thank you Eric, thank you so much. Day. This has
been great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure we'll talk soon in the future and
we are peace out, y