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Speaker 2: I'm here in New Orleans. I'm trying to find Nick

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How you doing? Okay? Okay, come on, catch up, catch

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Can we be heard? It says it's we're not receiving

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a video stream. That's weird. Let me refresh this page.

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stream videos of different frame rates. You need to what

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this has never been an issue? Can you guys hear

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me loud and clear? Okay, they can hear us loud

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and clear. All right. I'm down here in Vegas, not Vegas?

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What is this city? Lost? New Orleans, and I'm gonna

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be looking for Nick K's pyramid tomb. Sound is fine

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for me? Eric say something? Make sure we can hear you. Eric.

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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, Mike test here.

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Speaker 1: All right, So we're talking to historian Eric Jones. He's

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done some really in depth research on the history of

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the Illuminate confirm So we're gonna be talking about that.

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We're gonna talk about the relationship to the Templars, We're

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gonna talk about the relationship to modern revolutions, revolutionary movements.

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the US, the relationship to George Washington, all these kinds

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of things. But first, let me say that I appreciate

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Eric Eric Junes for coming on. We will be taking

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super chats also, so be sure to throw in your

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super chats. Eric, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm great today. I really appreciate you having me on

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the show. So yeah, dude, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Your work is really in depth, it's really scholarly, and

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that's what we try to focus on here and on

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my channel, and my work is the academic stuff, not

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just the flights of fancy. And you have done a

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lot of homework. You put a lot of time into this.

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You actually did your undergrad thesis on the Morgan affair.

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You said, so, I've got a bunch of questions. I'm

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going to ask you questions, and we're going to go

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over the content that you did in your your really

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really cool. So we're gonna we're gonna cover that. But

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I want to remind everybody listening because we could get

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couple of hours that we chat. And that is to

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remind all of the nerds that next Saturday, the twenty fifth,

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if you are in the Texas Austin area, there's a

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boiler room Jay's Analysis meet up. We're going to be

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meeting at the Old Settler's Pavilion Park and I will

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be there doing my essentially a book signing for Esoltery

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Hollywood Deuce. I dropped the deuce not in the toilet,

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but on you guys and Esoteric Hollywood too. There's not

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been a book signing for this yet, so I think

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I'm just gonna make this the book signing. So if

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you guys want to come out to the park five

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six o'clock somewhere there, we're just going to be chilling

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me Hasher Spore, maybe some big name mystery guests. We

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don't know yet, but we're gonna be out there chilling,

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and then we're going to move to a steakhouse for

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a carnivore dinner. We're going to feast on meat and

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blood like the Illuminate confirm. Not really, Actually, we're gonna

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learn that that's probably not going on. And in terms

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of what the historic Illuminate confirm or involved in, maybe

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enlightened ones, but that doesn't mean that they're necessarily connected

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try to find Nick Cage's pyramid tomb. Don't everybody be upset.

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Nick Cage is not dead, but the reality is that

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he's already purchased a pyramid tomb here in New Orleans.

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it's little skulls everywhere, So it really is illuminate Confirm.

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and bones and to pirates. Did you know that the

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templars and that illuminate confirm relate to pirates? I wrote

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by the way, But without further ado, I've rambled long enough.

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Eric Jones, how are you? I'll put your links below.

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when the show goes up. How are you doing it?

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that just sounds so so crazy. But so before we

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up your channel. What got you into this topic particularly?

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secret societies, conspiracy theories of all types, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fascinating. A lot of people don't know that

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there was an anti Masonic party about the Morgan affair,

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history of revolutionary movements and Marxism and the Frankfurt School,

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and there's a direct ideological dissent. There might not be

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the fact that you did mention, you did understand that

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it's it's laughable to think that the Jacobins didn't have

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a connection to the Illuminati proper and that they weren't

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a big secret society force in the French Revolution itself.

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Speaker 1: Let's start there. Let's start there. Let's I want you

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the Jacobins. And you talk about a priest who sent

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Speaker 3: So George Washington, you might know, was a Freemason, and

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all the Masonic lodges in America. But Washington, and this

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essentially a lot of mythology that was created afterwards. And

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maybe maybe had a passing interest when he was younger,

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but it was it wasn't really there.

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this revolutionary spirit and and that the the meeting, the

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like private property and this kind of stuff. And then

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total communists. Do you think that it's accurate to say

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have you have direct connections between these societies, and so

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of that. And yeah, you had the Freemason's deeply involved

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in both like the American Revolution and the French Revolution.

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Speaker 1: Kind of these dialectics, right, because because the American Revolution

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is more garrond and influenced, because they wanted private property,

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they wanted more of a merchant capitalist type of class

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that was free to do what they wanted to do,

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to kind of have the upper hand. And then in

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what would be the Paris Commune and the Jacobins in

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that sphere of things seventeen eighty nine, it was a

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lot more radical and a lot of people then trace

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sort of the Grand Orient Lodge of France and Italy

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to that more radical tradition, and then England and the

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Lodge of England maybe connecting more with the US because

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with the Knights of the Golden Circle and the Confederacy

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and all that so which is really fascinating. But before

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we go there, you interestingly in the talk you moved

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from there to Templars well, no wa, you go to

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the origins of vice shopped and the fact that he

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was a canon law professor and that this does in

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a way have a relationship to the Jesuits. But we

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also can't overstress this now. Ten years ago, when I

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was into traditional Catholicism, I would kind of overlook the

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Jesuits of just because it seems silly. Now that I'm Orthodox,

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think the Jesuits run the entire world, but they actually

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do play into this to a degree, even though they

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supposedly fought the Illuminati. But what give us a rundown

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of the relationship between Ignacious Loyola and the rise of

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the Jesuits and how this would then give way to

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And the reason I ask you that for that breakdown

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is because I want to talk about I've always heard

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and there's been this story that it actually Ignacious himself

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influenced by Gnosticism and perhaps the Alambrados and this kind

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of tiered structured system that literally would down the road

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become the actual real Illuminati. And even after the Bavarian Illuminati,

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we know that Carol Quigley says that the real Illuminadi

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in England, under Lord Roshaald and others, they structured themselves

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like the Jesuits. So what I'm saying is that there

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is an important role even though it's not every single

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Jesuit necessarily that runs the New World Order, they are

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part of this in the sense that both many of

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their members were involved in this conspiracy. Maybe not all

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of them, but many of them were. And I think

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there is something to be considered given the bizarre spiritual

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practices and a lot of Roman Catholicism, and the bizarre

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origins of Ignacious Loyola himself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you go back to the Alumbrados, that's

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an organization was that existed in Spain before the Bavarian Illuminati,

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that was in like the fourteen hundred and Ignitious Loola

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was brought up on charges not once, but I believe

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it was twice actually for associating with this organization which

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had kind of gnostic, a gnostic background. They taught a

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number I honestly haven't done enough research into the alum

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Broados themselves, but it does seem like they taught a

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number of really odd things, including that like they weren't

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capable of sinning because they had achieved perfection. And actually

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the original name of the Bavarian Illuminati.

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Speaker 1: Is this Perfectabilist. Now this is important because the cath

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are the Cathari of the Middle Ages, which I did

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cover in my video. I've read extensively actually on the Cathari.

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I know a good bit about it and then I

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made that short video on the movie Eye the Devil,

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which actually hints about the cathari It's not exactly historically accurate,

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but they do sort of harken to that in that

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famous Suarantee Taite Donald plus movie about the Illuminati basically

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in a way. But what's interesting is that the kathari

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who for a time in the Middle Ages, basically had

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a bunch of castles that were under their control and

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they kind of pissed off the papacy. The Kathariye had

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just basically resurrected a lot of medieval or excuse me,

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Patristic church father ara gnosticism, namely by saying that they

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were the perfect they were perfected, they were the elite,

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and they could not sin. And so I thought it

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was fascinating that where you take the bishop stuff, it

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does seem to have connections. Even though it's more of

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an Enlightenment movement, there does seem to be an influence

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from perhaps these medieval gnostic groups.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at the symbolism of the Bavarian Illuminati,

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it's got a lot of the same sort of Masonic

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type symbolism, which seems to be more a cult. It

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doesn't seem as rationalistic as the Bavarian illuminati kind of

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prevent themselves. I do think that there's an occult kind

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of center to the organization, but it's it's it's hard

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to prove that set with the limited documentation we have

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on that group.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of which group, that there is a call of

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the Bavarian So you don't think that that they were

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just primarily rationalists.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. But I mean that's uh, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, I'm not I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just

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it's an issue that that has been debated. S. That's

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a lot of people are trying to you know, they

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try to like, if you who was it was a

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Voltaire Ditaro who did the encyclopedia the philosoph and then

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he and he puts like a a goat hooved figure

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on the cover of the philosoph Encyclopedia.

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Speaker 3: You know I'm talking about I don't that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look up the the you know the

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encyclopedis are right, I'm not familiar, Okay, so it the

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origin actually of encyclopedias is the French revolutionaries, and so

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people like Voltaire and Didero, they were they were known

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as the Philosofs, the Philosophers, and so they got the

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idea that to increase human learning, they wanted to decentralize this.

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So they said, uh, and so they came up with

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the idea of of the encyclopedia, like let's just collect

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together essays on science, nature, physics, all this kind of stuff, right,

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exactly what we think of an encyclopedia now. And so

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I want to say it's Diderot, but but I may

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be going from memory here, But but in the at

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the first opening page of the of the Encyclopedia of

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the Philosofs, you have this sort of goat hooved h

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Satanic Luciferian type of figure. It's very famous. You can

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look it up. I'm not making this up. I'm not

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saying that that you're you're doubting me. But I'm sure

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people in the in the chat won't won't believe me.

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But you can find this is very easy. I think

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the Collins brothers have done articles on this. But that's

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just a fascinating topic to me, is how serious did

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they take the ideas like the gods or the god

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forms or Minerva. And it seems like a lot of

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the French revolutionary figures were pretty convinced by Enlightenment rationalism.

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But that's not to say that there weren't figures who

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didn't perhaps think that there really were occult powers.

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Speaker 3: I guess the reason I would lean towards I think

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there was some more occult powers for some of the

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inner members is just like if there is if there

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is a connection between the Alambrados and Ignitius of Loyola,

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like then it seems like from the beginning the Jesuits

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were structured like all secret societies, where you have an

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inner organization and an organization, there would have existed this

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sort of gnostic group within ah both of these organizations.

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Speaker 1: Have you have you heard, by chance, the two talks

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I did on Carol Quigley's book, The Anglo American Establishment.

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Speaker 3: I haven't watched that one yet.

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Speaker 1: You should watch those because he makes a really fascinating

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statement in there that the the elite of the of

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the British Empire, they were called the Circle of Initiates.

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And this would be like Cecil Roads and the people

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that literally were running the British Empire, Lord Curzon, the Astors,

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the Cliveden Set, Lord Rothchild, Lot of nobility, these kinds

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of people who were also you know, at the higher

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levels of the lodge. We know that for sure about

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cecil Rhads. And what's interesting is that he says that

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the structure that they adopted for their literal secret they

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called it a secret society, they called it the Circle

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of Initiates. He says the structure they adopted was the

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Jesuit structure. Now, the way I could conceivably connect that

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to what we're talking about is by the fact that

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the Grand Lodge of England publicly comes out in seventeen seventeen.

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And if you read what's her name, I always forget

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her name, but the book The Builders, which is about

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how the Masonic Lodges were essentially the spy network of

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the British Empire, that they were the means by which

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they built the British Empire. If you look at her book,

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she discusses this as well, how that spy network was

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established for centuries. And I think you even touched on

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this that it was prior to seventeen seventeen that masonry

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already existed. But what do you think, what's the connection

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between seventeen seventeen and Adam boyshot, is there one.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily I wouldn't necessarily make seventeen seventeen to wid.

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Speaker 1: Well, What I'm saying is that you did talk in

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your talk about the Grand Lodge Right of England.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I mentioned the when they went public

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was the Right and then that was yeah, seventeen seventeen,

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But you did have a number of lodges that existed

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before that, including in the Americans in Europe, right, just

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hadn't kind of formulated under one organized public structure, and

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that was when when they kind of went public. The

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White Shopton like found his organization until seventeen seventy six.

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Speaker 1: Right, I understand. But what I'm saying is that what

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I'm getting at is the accusations of him filtration because

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as you know, in the the Washington Letters and then

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uh in the Proofs of a Conspiracy, Uh, the claim

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is that the Illuminati would were they set out to

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infiltrate the Masonic lodges. And so I guess what I'm

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asking is why why did they do that? Like, why

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didn't they just set up their own secret society? Why

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do they feel like they needed to infiltrate the Masonic lodges.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I have a good answer for that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, was it just because it was already there?

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Just it was it was easier to do.

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Speaker 3: They wanted to work in secret secrecy, and I think

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a number there are many organizations that have used Masonry,

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including modern intelligence agencies who use secret societies like Masonry

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because it is already a vast network of men who

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are committed to silence and like so it exists as

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a very good launching platform for all sorts of different

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different people with different goals, and so that when you

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look at masonry itself, there are all sorts of different

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organizations within Masonry, some of which condemn each other.

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Speaker 1: Right, So tell us then, So in your talk you

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moved from by Shop back to Templars. So tell us

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about the John J. Robinson the Born and Blood Book.

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Tell us about the origin, the history of the Templars

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and why they were so controversial.

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Speaker 3: So the Knights Templar were founded to be an organization

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that was basically protecting pilgrims as they traveled to the

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Holy Land, but they eventually got condemned as a kind

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of satanic cult is their and so it's kind of

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an odd bit of history and John so John J.

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Robinson wrote this book called Born in Blood where he

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was trying to research like some of the peasant revolts

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and like the Black Plague, he wasn't necessarily even looking

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for what he came across, but he started to realize

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that during one of these great peasant revolts, the people

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seemed to have organization and were targeting the Knights hospitallers.

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And this caused him to do a lot of research

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and he kind of put together and his book he

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argues that the Knights Templar after they were suppressed, they

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kind of hid underground and created this kind of organization

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called the Great Societies one name for it, and they

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eventually sought revenge on the Hospitallers. And eventually this is

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the group that went public later in seventeen seventeen as

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the Free Masonic Lodge. And if you look at Masonic text,

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they they're often pretty open about like claiming to have

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templar or right.

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Speaker 1: And the accusation was that the Templars were getting into

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some pretty dark bath. I mean they even used the

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term baffo mat right. I mean, I've actually read the

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Council the Franco Papal council that condemned the the Templars.

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I've read all the Conciliar documents. It's really fascinating because

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they they say that they had like some severed head

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of a of an animal that they were calling God

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or something. And again I'm not saying that they weren't gnaustic,

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but there's also the the the angle to this to

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where I'm no longer that much of a fan of

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the Franco power structure, the Frankish kings, and I think

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that they were probably pretty greedy. So what what you

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mentioned is that they had built a pretty vast store

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of wealth, a kind of a banking empire, and so

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it could also be that maybe they were involved in

473
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in nefarious stuff. But maybe it's also true that the

474
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King of France, who had a close relationship with the Pope,

475
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perhaps even control of the Pope, that they wanted the loot.

476
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In the way that they got the loot was that

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they moved it from being under the control of the

478
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Templars to the Knights Hospital.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly like and it seems to be I mean,

480
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money is always one of the things that drives conflict,

481
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so it seems like there was more to There's more

482
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to the death of the Templars than they were just

483
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a gnostic or a cult group. They does seem to

484
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be political and economic motivations behind taking down the templars.

485
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Speaker 1: And also interestingly to the Vatican apologize for the templar

486
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condemnation a few years ago.

487
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Speaker 3: Did you know that I've I know that they've been

488
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on and off with how they spoken about this. I

489
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haven't heard about this research.

490
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Speaker 1: Yeah, actually that they apologized several years ago, because I

491
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remember it very vividly. As a traditional Catholic. I saw that.

492
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I was like, this is crazy. How can we apologize

493
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for condemning people that were supposed to be infallibly condemned anyway?

494
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So moving on, how do we get this is an

495
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interesting connection? How do we get from this to pirates?

496
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How did we get from templars to pirates? Right?

497
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Speaker 3: So, the Knight's Templar had a fleet, and that fleet

498
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kind of went missing after the Templars went were condemned.

499
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So many of the Templars fled to other nations. They

500
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joined other orders. Actually, the Pope had tried to get

501
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the templars before they were destroyed. I'm sorry.

502
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Speaker 1: Can you speak up a little bit. The audience is

503
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saying that they can't really hear you.

504
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Sure. So the Pope had the Pope had

505
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tried to merge the orders. Actually, instead of just destroying

506
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the Knights Templar, he had hoped to kind of save,

507
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you know, salvage some of the order by combining them

508
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with the hospitallers. And I kind of lost my train

509
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of thought there.

510
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Speaker 1: That's okay. Yeah, So what we're trying to get at

511
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is the the dubiousness of this on multiple levels. And

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one level is the fact that the Templars were supposed

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to be an order devoted to poverty. I mean, their

514
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whole thing was that they were going to protect the

515
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pilgrims going to the Holy Land. And the irony is

516
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that they apparently got fabulously rich. They had so much

517
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swag and bling, and that probably made the Pope and

518
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the King of France very jealous. And so I would say,

519
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by the way, that this backs up some of the

520
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Frankish thesis. If you're not familiar with the Frankish thesis,

521
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I will try to leave a link below that's a

522
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really good book on the history of the Byzantines versus

523
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:05,319
the Franks. That's a big part of Orthodox history especially

524
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is to understand the conflict between Byzantium and the Franks,

525
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because that plays into the rise of the medieval papacy.

526
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Also too, it's interesting that the Templars adopted the banking

527
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modes and models that were forbidden. Did you come across

528
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the usage of usury on the part of the Templars

529
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and your research? And the reason I bring that up

530
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is because Christendom for the first millennium had forbidden usury,

531
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and interestingly, it's right after the Renaissance that the papacy

532
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starts to lax its view and allow international usury. And

533
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a lot of times the accusations, oh well, that's all

534
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a certain tribe that did that, But actually the Templars

535
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also did this, and also it was forbidden, and the

536
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first power structure to begin to allow this wasn't Byzantium,

537
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although Byzantium did, I think, allow a bit of usery

538
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towards the end of it, towards the decline of Byzantium.

539
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The real power structure that permitted usury across uh Christendom

540
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was the papacy. M h.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And for that the that's basically how the Templars

542
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acquire acquired their wealth. They they presented themselves as a

543
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rather poor organization. One of their symbols had them two

544
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templars writing on the same course, and so they at

545
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first presented themselves as a rather poor organization. But they

546
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the way their kind of banking system started was people

547
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were traveling these large distances, and so in order to

548
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keep their wealth safe, the Templars kind of started this

549
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system of banking by giving out, you know, promises of

550
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your wealth so you didn't have.

551
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Speaker 1: To traumissory notes. Basically, yeah, so that allows them for

552
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the creation of fiat banking on the basis of wealth

553
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that they didn't actually possess, which quickly eventually talks about

554
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in Tragic Hope. He talks about the banking notes and

555
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how this became prominent after the Renaissance.

556
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Speaker 3: And I would like to jump back to the I

557
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remembered my train of thought, So back to the pirates.

558
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So the Pope had wanted to merge these orders, but

559
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then the templars, so many of them had to flee

560
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to join different orders or but they had this fleet,

561
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and the fleet went missing, and many of the templars

562
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ended up actually turning to piracy, and so you have

563
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like many of these secrets more modern secret society using

564
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the skull and bones, the jolly Roger symbol of piracy.

565
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And that's actually this connection exactly.

566
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Speaker 1: That's the thing is that people we hear this in

567
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the conspiracy realm, and actually this is true, that that

568
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really is the origin of the jolly Roger.

569
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Speaker 3: Right, that's exactly right. And so that's why we see

570
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the skull and bones symbol. Like from skull and Bones itself.

571
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We also see the Masons use this, right, I believe

572
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,679
the Bavarian Illuminati also is the skull and bones.

573
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And another significant signification of the skull and bone

574
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and Jolly Roger is that if you think about pirates,

575
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pirates are libertarian in many ways in the sense they're

576
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anarcho libertarian in the sense that they didn't see themselves

577
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as under the jurisdiction of any state. They were under

578
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not really maritime law, but no law, because they could

579
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just sail away. And so the reason that the pirate

580
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:41,119
is kind of an analogy to the international financier, the

581
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international corporate elite, the one percent of the planet, is

582
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that they can crash a nation's economy, through hedge funds,

583
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,760
through derivatives, through all kinds of different means, and they

584
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don't get in trouble because they can just go somewhere

585
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else because they're not bound to any nation state or

586
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national ties. And the origin of that idea, I think,

587
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actually is in piracy. It's pirates, Uh, and there's there's

588
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a lot to be gained from understanding that realm of things,

589
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that that that pirates are actually the perfect analogy for

590
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what we're talking about.

591
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and one of the Masonic ranks actually says this

592
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rank will make you a brother to pirates and corsairs.

593
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Speaker 1: I actually didn't know that. That's crazy. So, uh, that

594
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actually makes me think and I've thought for a long time.

595
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I know my Goonies analysis touched on pirates and why

596
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,199
Goonies relates to this and with the astors and astoria

597
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,239
and all that. But you can also think about the

598
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:59,880
fact that that Pirates of the Caribbean, the Disney movie,

599
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if you remember, they actually kind of hint at this

600
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in a couple of the of the films. They hint

601
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at the fact that the pirates are beyond and outside

602
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:11,280
of law. They have a kind of rough code amongst themselves,

603
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amongst the elite. Right, But and and that's who they recruit.

604
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,800
The pirates recruit the Orlando Bloom character and the the

605
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,360
Cure and Night character is like the daughter of some

606
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:28,440
British noble dude, right is yeah, so and then she's

607
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,000
brought into this realm of the dark Side and the

608
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,920
pirates and all that. So I do think there's some

609
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esoteric elements going on to the Pirates of the Caribbean.

610
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It's hinting at what we're talking about.

611
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like the third movie or something, they have

612
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like this giant kind of pirate gathering or something they do.

613
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Speaker 1: They have a pirate Council.

614
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's actually interesting because they have this structure

615
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to them, whereas yeah, it's it's not it's not necessarily

616
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And Keith Richards.

617
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Speaker 1: Was there, remember it was it's John A.

618
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Speaker 3: Depp as Jack Speer and then.

619
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Speaker 1: Keith Richards shows up as like the the aged you know,

620
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King of Pirates. Yeah, if you remember from I'd forgotten

621
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that that's in part three. You're right. They have the

622
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Pirate Council, which is just like the Mafia council. Is

623
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Godfather one or two, Godfather one or is it too.

624
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:37,559
I can't remember which one has the council anyway, So revolutionaries,

625
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:42,519
this was an interesting point you made that after the plagues,

626
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you said something about how they made they made an

627
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excuse and so that the plagues happened because of the

628
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elite or something. What did you say it was?

629
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Speaker 3: It was basically a line where Robinson, I think does

630
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:59,320
a really makes a really great point about secret societies

631
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and how they offer it in general, because he was

632
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,280
talking about the how the public was so unsatisfied and

633
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,480
unhappy because they had gone through these plagues and they

634
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had gone through there was a lot of wars.

635
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Speaker 1: So they tried to don't let a crisis go to waste, basically,

636
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as we've heard many times, don't let a good crisis

637
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go to waste. And then and what happens is that

638
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,719
when you study revolutionary thought revolutionary literature, if you go

639
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,079
back to the let them eat cake in the French Revolution.

640
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,239
She actually didn't say that that was something that the

641
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what the revolutionaries would do is hang out in the

642
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salons in France and the coffee houses and they would

643
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,519
kind of start up these newsletters and pass this gossip around.

644
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:43,599
It was basically like the the tabloids of their days

645
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,320
was these little print out gossip sheets. And that started

646
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,239
as like this gossip on a print out gossip salon magazine.

647
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And she didn't even say that, but it worked very

648
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:58,159
well because it took hold and people thought, oh, you know,

649
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,320
it was basically the fake news of its time. People thought, oh,

650
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,239
Marie Antoinette says that, you know, while we're done her poor,

651
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,039
she says, well, why don't we just eat cake? Right?

652
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But that was actually a creation of the revolutionary So

653
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,119
what they were doing was if there was poverty, they

654
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were capitalizing on that and motivating the masses on the

655
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basis of their passions to you know, hate the ruling

656
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:23,880
elite or whatever, as if as if every bad situation

657
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,320
or the play as if the plague comes along because

658
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there's a rich person. It's absurd. But that's how they

659
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,599
that's how it works.

660
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Secret Society is Robinson Largis is like,

661
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,239
that's how they that's how they expand their power, is

662
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,440
they they take advantage of these situations and try to

663
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direct the rage that the public is feeling for how

664
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they're they're being trodden upon, and so they try to

665
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direct that towards their enemies so that they can get themselves.

666
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Speaker 1: Yes, this is a classic technique of psychological warfare, art

667
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of war type stuff. So I want to remind everybody

668
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we are talking to Eric Jones, historian and researcher who's

669
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done a lot of research into the history of Bavarian illuminati.

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I want to talk about Baron Niggy, Baron Vond and

671
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Niggy next, because you did have an important place for

672
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him in your talk, and he comes up in Terry

673
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,960
Mullanson's really good book Perfected Bilis, which I recommend. If

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00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,760
you want to really scholarly historic treatment of the order

675
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:28,960
Bavarian Order, you get Perfected Blis by Terry Mulaanson. But

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we also are taking superchat questions own our mind and

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smash like. By the way, if you like this talk,

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we've got almost four hundred three point fifty we will

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be taking your superchat questions here in a bit. And

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remember to smash like, because I had to already delete

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a couple pagan larper's spamming the chat with pagan crap.

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And when they get spammed, they of course, when they

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get blogged, they of course push thumbs down. So give

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me a like, give us a like, if you're enjoying

685
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us talk, this is a great historical overview here. Who

686
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is this Baron Niggy character and why does he relate

687
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Now we're going to move up back to y shop

688
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,079
away from the pirates. Why does he relate to? Well,

689
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now wait a minute, so how did the pirates? So

690
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the how does the pirates and the templars relate to

691
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the Illuminati. That's what we want to know here.

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Speaker 3: Uh So the I went back in my video to

693
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talk about the templars more to because I wanted to

694
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explore I'm more more focused on masonry, so I was

695
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trying to just show the origins of masonry with the

696
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Knights templar connection. Although we do later see that skull

697
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and bones connection, does it is a bit more important

698
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because we'll see there that that connects to the Bavarian Illuminati.

699
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,800
They also use that symbol. So yeah, you do have

700
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masonry and the Illuminati and these all these groups often

701
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,519
share the same sorts of symbolism exactly.

702
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Speaker 1: That's what makes it confusing is that you can't just

703
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look at the symbols because different groups will have the

704
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same symbols and it gets kind of and you can't

705
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just assume that the symbol means the same thing every

706
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single time. It doesn't. I mean, if you look at that,

707
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:07,039
this is something that really pisses me off. And people

708
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,679
try to interpret symbols and they're and they're all messed up.

709
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,239
Like if you see a cross Gnostics used across they

710
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,599
have the white circle with the black you know, kind

711
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:19,079
of it looks like a bullseye. That's a Gnostic cross.

712
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:22,800
We wouldn't conclude that because Gnostics used a cross, that

713
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,159
therefore all usages of the cross are Gnostic. That's nonsense,

714
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:30,840
because the cross far precedes the usage of medieval Gnostics.

715
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,760
That's that's stupid. So in the same way, you have

716
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,639
to be careful with symbols because they can have different

717
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,280
meanings in different contexts.

718
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:43,119
Speaker 3: I think it's it's very worth paying attention to symbols,

719
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:47,079
especially when you're looking at powerful organizations. But yeah, it's

720
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,519
you have to like do your homework every time because

721
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,159
different groups will use these different symbols and different things.

722
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: All Right, So tell us about Baron von Niggi. He

723
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,440
was a powerful aristocrat, right and uh, he was, he was,

724
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,320
he he was recruited. He didn't he fall for by

725
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,159
Shop's plan.

726
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so Baron von Nigi was an important person

727
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,960
in society, and he was probably the key figure in

728
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:22,719
that what Adam Weishaf recruited to spread the illuminism inside

729
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:23,679
of freemasonry.

730
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: And so how successful do you think that was? Did

731
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,960
it or did it kind of burn out or did

732
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,360
they really gain some power in the logic, because that's

733
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,280
actually what Washington and in the letters, what he was discussing,

734
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,719
was how successful was this?

735
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: Exactly. Washington had the perspective that they were not that successful,

736
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,400
that they that they had been unable to take over

737
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:55,920
freemasonry in America like proof of a conspiracy. Argued, and

738
00:44:56,679 --> 00:45:01,719
but we do know that the the organization had spread

739
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,480
throughout Europe at least they had made it to numerous

740
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:10,159
different countries. So to me, it seems like to me,

741
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,159
it seems kind of absurd to believe that the Illuminati

742
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,440
was destroyed because eventually the organization was disbanded in.

743
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,639
Speaker 1: Well, even if the organization itself didn't continue on in

744
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:29,280
the structure that originally had the ideology that Bishop lays

745
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,199
out in his plan, absolutely continued on, for example, communism.

746
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,000
I mean, that's what a lot of people don't know

747
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,000
is that the root of this ideology is actually communism.

748
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,840
This is the real origin of communism, is that he

749
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,760
believed in the sharing of property. And if I recall,

750
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,800
he also mentions the usage of private philanthropic organizations, doesn't he.

751
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: And that's really what these secret societies are trying to

752
00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:00,800
do is impact philosophy at a global level. That is

753
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,480
how they influence the world by pressing philosophy so well.

754
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: And that's why you see a lot of these orders,

755
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,519
people in these orders taking on philosophic names, right, I

756
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:16,599
mean you had, you know, some of them called themselves Seneca,

757
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:19,400
some of them they would refer to Minerva, minerval Order.

758
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,039
These are all I mean, yeah, they are god titles,

759
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:27,159
but they also refer to philosophers. Spartacus, right, Spartacus Bishop,

760
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:28,239
that was his name, right.

761
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exact, Like all the members of the order

762
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,880
had code names, and us was Bishop's code name.

763
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: And if you don't the reason for that is because

764
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,760
Spartacus is the slave guy who overthrows. Right. If you've

765
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,119
seen the Kubrick movie Spartacus, then you know the idea

766
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,079
being that he overthrows his his oppressor, right exactly.

767
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: And that's That's largely what I would say both Masonry

768
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,199
and the Illuminati wanted. Maybe the structure that they wanted

769
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,960
in place after was was different. But I think they

770
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,960
both wanted to overthrow the church and overthrow.

771
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: The monarchs, right, so alter and thrown, overthrow and establish

772
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,320
basically Plato's republic. It's it's it's all back, it goes

773
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,199
back to Plato's republic. Really, do you agree?

774
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,559
Speaker 3: I mean, you know more of Plato than I I

775
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:24,480
know that, Yes.

776
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,559
Speaker 1: So in in Plato's Republic he says that he says,

777
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:35,039
let's establish a communistic, uh secular basically republic. So so

778
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,920
would you agree that the that the philosophy of the

779
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,480
revolutionaries is essentially what you get in the Enlightenment and afterwards.

780
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: Definitely, Yeah. I think that those the revolutions that we saw,

781
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,880
just like in the old peasant revolt with the Great Society,

782
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:58,760
you know, we had these secret societies. We're one of

783
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,039
the key determining factors of that all played out and

784
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,599
the philosophies that we've we are left with in the

785
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:07,239
modern world.

786
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: So tell us about William Morgan. Let's move into later

787
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,800
on American history and what's the Morgan affair. Why is

788
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,679
William Morgan interesting? Interesting and important?

789
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: So William Morgan was a royal arch Freemason and he

790
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,400
decided to write a book that was going to expose

791
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,599
some of the secrets of Masonry. And he it was

792
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,360
he was going to write a book that exposed the

793
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,639
first three ranks and it basically got into what the

794
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:42,079
initiation rituals were, what the oaths they took were, and

795
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,039
he showed some of like the Masonic hand grips that

796
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,960
they used. They've got like kind of like you know,

797
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:53,159
gang handshakes, Masonic uh shakes that they do. And so

798
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,960
the Freemasons didn't like this, and they decided to kidnap

799
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,320
and murder William Morgan, and they tried to burn down

800
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,840
the publishing house. They also tried to capture his publisher

801
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,239
as well, but they were unsuccessful and burning down the

802
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,360
publishing house and capture capturing the publisher. But they did

803
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:17,639
managed to capture and murder William Morgan, but his book

804
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:24,800
was printed and the American people responded with a large

805
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,960
movement that turned into the Anti Masonic Party, and it

806
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:32,880
was led by men as notable as John Quincy Adams.

807
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,679
Speaker 1: That's interesting that a lot of people don't know that

808
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,159
the Anti Masonic Party that that John Q. Adams was

809
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,480
a big part of that. And you talked a little

810
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,880
bit about Andrew Jackson, and I'm curious because actually he

811
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,679
has a big statue here. Actually was Jackson and Mason?

812
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,599
I want to say. I heard that he was.

813
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:57,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe he was. And the Anti Masonic movement

814
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,880
was largely it was basically they were they were fighting

815
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:08,440
against the Jacksonian Democrats, which were more infested with Masonry

816
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:14,320
than other parties. Maybe, but the Anti Mason's wanted to

817
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:19,719
get Mason's out of politics altogether because you know, in

818
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,800
the in the events following Morgan's death, it was extremely

819
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,320
hard to get anyone punished for this. I think the

820
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,159
largest sentence anyone faced was two years.

821
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: What about Jefferson? He always seemed to me to be

822
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:40,000
uh influenced by outright Jacobinism and Illuminism, because I've read

823
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,239
I've read some of his essays where he says we

824
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,159
need bloody revolutions, they can be a good thing. He

825
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,840
seemed to like a lot of these pretty hardcore revolutionary ideas.

826
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:58,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't found a lot that shows direct connections

827
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:03,880
between Jefferson and secret societies philosophically though it does.

828
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: He seems to have the ideology even if he wasn't

829
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:11,559
directly involved in any of the groups per se.

830
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,679
Speaker 3: He the thing that I found that convinced me that

831
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,000
he was he probably is affiliated, as he mentions a

832
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:25,119
certain story connected to He mentions these guys Hengist and Horsa,

833
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,000
and their story is connected to an event that happens

834
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,480
on May first, which is the day that the Bavarian

835
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,480
Illuminati was founded. And it's kind of this weird reference

836
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:38,880
that we can get into that more if you'd like,

837
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:42,360
But it was just this kind of odd occult reference

838
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,159
that he made that made me think that he probably

839
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,599
is tied up with one of these groups or more.

840
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,400
But I've just never seen proof of his membership of

841
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,880
any one of these societies.

842
00:51:56,519 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: So you've got Morgan being in what looks like a

843
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:07,239
Masonic vengeance ritual. This provokes the Morgan affair. And then

844
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,599
but this party isn't very successful and eventually they kind

845
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:14,039
of fizzle out and they they merged with the Whigs.

846
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:14,639
Is that right?

847
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 3: That's exactly right?

848
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: Right? They?

849
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,079
Speaker 3: I mean how successful they were at they they weren't

850
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,880
like Vermont had an anti Masonic governor, you know, like

851
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:29,760
they did manage to win some some political positions, but

852
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,760
I think that their success was in uh many Masons

853
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,519
left the order. Many Masons did come out and see

854
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:42,360
that it was a corrupt organization. Other other Masons wrote

855
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,440
books as follow ups to Morgan's book, further exposing more

856
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,159
of the secrets. So like today it's so easy to

857
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:52,639
get your hands on all sorts of Masonic material, back then,

858
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,400
it was not nearly that easy. They all of their

859
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,199
you know, oaths were actually were a secret. You know,

860
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,320
today we have we have access to you know, all

861
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,760
sorts of things. Also partly just because of the internet exactly.

862
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: Uh So, let's see what's next in my notes here.

863
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,719
Uh So, then let's talk about the Lincoln situation, Prince

864
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:33,320
Hall Lodge and tell us what the mystical orcondom is. Uh.

865
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: Well, with the Prince Hall Lodges, that's those were lodges

866
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,400
that were founded by a group of black people who

867
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,480
wanted to form a Masonic lodge or they I think

868
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,679
they first tried to just join a Masonic lodge in

869
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,840
New York. They were rejected, and so they decided to

870
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,599
form their own lodges and.

871
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,119
Speaker 1: Was this basically it was successful in the North, but

872
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:02,800
not in the Confederacy, right.

873
00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: Prince Hall?

874
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is this after Civil War? Before?

875
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,559
Speaker 3: I can't remember, this is before the Civil War?

876
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

877
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,199
Speaker 3: So in England they accepted the Prince Hall mason that

878
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:20,480
they basically said, yes, you can be Mason's. In America

879
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,800
they did not accept that, not even in the North,

880
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,519
like New York was like specifically very against this, and

881
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,760
they so they rejected Prince Hall masonry. Even though the

882
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,880
Grand Lodge of England had said that they could form

883
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:42,199
a lodge. The white Freemasons in America refused to associate

884
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,039
oricon college them as brothers.

885
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. But so so tell us then about how

886
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,719
this is it relates to you know, Pike, Albert Pike

887
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,880
Morals and Dogma. He's a Confederate general. His statue is

888
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,159
still up in d C. Of course, nobody's gonna take

889
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,360
that one down. And he teaches if you've read Morals

890
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,000
of dog And you know, he teaches that it's just

891
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:07,639
the syncretistic thing that you control people with the lower level.

892
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:11,119
Dumb dumbs don't know what's going on. In the higher levels.

893
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:18,880
They know that it's a control structure and this does

894
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,239
relate to the Knights of the Golden Circle and the Klan.

895
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,599
And that was as far as I've seen, and I've

896
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:32,400
seen the Nick Cage movie that confirms it National Treasure too.

897
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:37,440
Knights of the Golden Circle were involved in the assassination

898
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:38,760
of Lincoln, correct.

899
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:41,599
Speaker 3: They were. And so the Knights of the Golden Circle

900
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,920
was a Masonic offshoot organization that formed in the South

901
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,760
before the Civil War, and they were trying to save

902
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:57,039
the South and preserve slavery. And so you had, yeah,

903
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:01,119
this kind of spin off Mason Mason, an organization that

904
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,440
it seems like Albert Pike might have been involved in

905
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,400
the creation of both the Knights of the Golden Circle

906
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:13,360
and the KKK. Finding like, yeah, people debate that Mason

907
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,239
Mason's debate that. A lot of people think that's true though,

908
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:23,400
And so that the original KKK was actually uh kind

909
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,239
of the militant arm of the Knights of the Golden Circle.

910
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:32,480
And members of the Golden Circle included John Surratt and

911
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:36,360
John Wilkes Booth. And John Wilkes Booth was the man

912
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,840
who shot Lincoln. Of course, he also recruited John Surratt.

913
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,880
The Serrats were another important family in the assassination effort.

914
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,239
And so, yeah, these guys were both members of the

915
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,239
Secret Society which murdered President Lincoln and was trying to

916
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:56,119
deserve the South.

917
00:56:56,599 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: So give us your when we look the tears and

918
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,400
doctrines of masonry, when you get up to that thirty

919
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,119
two thirty three level, if you if you know, if

920
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,840
you know Pike and that kind of stuff, what does

921
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,599
it mean when we get these statements about the seething

922
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,519
energies of Lucifer and the kind of weird stuff that

923
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:19,239
Manley p Hall says, What is ultimately going on with masonry?

924
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:25,079
Speaker 3: In your view, that's a big question.

925
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,039
Speaker 1: Well, how do they present Lucifer You talked about this

926
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:29,000
in your Yeah, the.

927
00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 3: The occult view of Lucifer. I think the best way

928
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,199
to describe it is they would compare Lucifer to Prometheus, right,

929
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,719
So he was somebody that was fighting for humanity, who

930
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:46,679
wanted to give us knowledge that God or the gods

931
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,480
were trying to keep from us. And so in their

932
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:56,239
telling of the story, the hero is Lucifer or Prometheus,

933
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:01,159
and so they like they view Lucifer as as the

934
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:03,920
bearer of light, the bearer of knowledge. They view him

935
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,920
as a good guy who and some of so you'll

936
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,920
have Masons who take that more literal. I think you

937
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,320
do have actual Masons who really do believe that they

938
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:21,119
can become gods. You have that literal take. I think

939
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:26,199
there is also a more kind of Enlightenment type view

940
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:31,280
of just the idea of the story, but they're not

941
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taking it so literally.

942
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Speaker 1: Well, you get in like in the what are they're

943
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called the irregular lodges, the black lodges, the sorcery type lodges,

944
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which would be like Crowley's type of stuff where they're

945
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really trying to do with Jack Parsons and they're trying

946
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to do these rituals to become gods, right exactly.

947
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Speaker 3: But I mean you do you have some of that

948
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in all of masonry. And I would say, like, but

949
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that statue you mentioned with Washington making the these occult

950
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gestures and like these there's that there's a painting called

951
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like the Apotheosis of Washington. I believe it's called It's

952
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:14,960
got all this missalt Masonic symbolism built in. Yeah, and

953
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so I do think you have this occult side throughout

954
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all of it, although more some of them are.

955
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Speaker 1: And throughout the war a lot of people don't know that.

956
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You can go to uh Union monuments, and you can

957
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go to Confederate monuments. You can go to the Jefferson

958
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:34,239
Davis Monument, and it's the exact same giant obelisk that

959
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is the Washington Monument in d C. The Jefferson Davis Monument,

960
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,880
which is in Kentucky. I've seen it. It's not very

961
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far from where I used to live in Tennessee. It's

962
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the exact same as Washington's giant obelisk. It's just as

963
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Masonic as what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, I.

965
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Speaker 1: Mean and and and downtown d C too. By the way,

966
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people forget this. Chris always used to bring this up

967
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:02,400
one afternoon comment when you commune, when you go to

968
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after when you go to d C. It's just this

969
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:10,360
giant Masonic my mythological tale that's built into all of

970
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the streets and architecture of Washington, d C. Everywhere. Yeah,

971
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:17,079
some people National Treasure with Nick Cage is goofy, but

972
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:19,599
it's actually kind of true because that really is what's

973
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going on in d C.

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Speaker 3: Exactly. People get can get kind of ridiculous with some

975
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,079
of their speculation around some of the stuff. But yeah,

976
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there's no question just looking at some of this, it's

977
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obviously Masonic. They're not hiding that it's Masonic. There's a

978
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,440
Masonic symbol on our dollar bill, you know, like it's

979
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not a it's not a secret that Masonry has tied

980
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:45,440
up in our government, in our history. And so the

981
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idea that we don't know much about that though through

982
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:51,119
our general schoolings kind of problematic.

983
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Speaker 1: Idy That is interesting because you would think, yeah, you

984
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would think we would know about that because it is

985
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a big part of our history. But all right, we're

986
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gonna read some super yah super chat time. Question you

987
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,599
don't mind taking questions due because I haven't read these,

988
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:07,400
so I don't know where they may be for both

989
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,039
of us, or they may be for you or me.

990
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So the first one, Lawrence Balanai two dollars, Thank you, Lawrence.

991
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He says there are thirty Masonic lodges in Saint Louis.

992
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,360
That's crazy because I thought that was supposed to be

993
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a Catholic town. Uh, well, that doesn't really mean much,

994
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,960
especially not after Vatican too, right, and yeah, I'm not

995
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,360
surprised about that. I've been to Saint Louis multiple times.

996
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,159
I didn't know there was that many lodges there. That's

997
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pretty crazy.

998
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Speaker 3: You'll find lodges everywhere, including you know, middle of nowhere towns.

999
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Speaker 1: Absolutely everybody to have you watched The Man Who Would

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Be King?

1001
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 3: Yet I've I know it's loaded with masonics.

1002
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: Well, that's the ultimate Hollywood Mason movie. Everybody's got to

1003
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watch Man Who Would Be King? And it's it's based

1004
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:52,480
on the Rudyard Kipling story, so he's actually writing you

1005
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:57,000
the British Imperial Masonic story into story form. And then

1006
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:02,360
of course Sean Connery plays the role Brother Zakhar ten dollars.

1007
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:04,840
This is my first super chat. I wanted to let

1008
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,679
you have it, Jay, and I wanted you to have it.

1009
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:10,199
Thank you and not let me have it. Keep it up.

1010
01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:12,079
You're doing God's work. Well, thank you, brother. I think

1011
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,239
I appreciate that we are trying to do positive things

1012
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,280
here and so thank you for that. John B. One dollar,

1013
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,280
Thank you, John B. Zoomer hub five bucks. I'm a

1014
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,960
nature guy. I'm very intrigued by Norse paganism because of this,

1015
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:32,559
but I also like your stuff too, man about Eastern Orthodoxy.

1016
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:34,760
I'm learning well, awesome, dude, Thank you.

1017
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 4: In fact, there's a great lecture by doctor Philip Cherrard

1018
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:45,840
about how Orthodoxy is concerned with the re sacramentalization, in other.

1019
01:02:45,639 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: Words, the viewing of nature again as a sacrament the

1020
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way it used to be prior to modernity, and that's

1021
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:57,320
actually something that Norse paganism is interested in as well.

1022
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,239
So you actually, if you look up the lecture on

1023
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:05,039
YouTube by doctor Schirard called Presubpositions of the Sacred, you

1024
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,719
will find that very fascinating and that would be perhaps

1025
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:14,079
a good bridge from Norse pagan understandings to what we

1026
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:16,760
talk about. Zumer Hubb again for five bucks. He says,

1027
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,719
I'm a non Christian, but I respect your analytical presentation

1028
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,840
of your faith. It's very interesting. Thank you. Correct. Yes,

1029
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,840
we follow the tradition of the Church fathers at my

1030
01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:29,199
channel and in my work, where we do believe that

1031
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:34,519
you can utilize philosophy to explain and to aid in

1032
01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:39,400
the apologetic Thank you, our role, our old debate, friend,

1033
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:41,800
our perennials debate, for we had a great debate. By

1034
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,760
the way, if you want to check out my Orthodox

1035
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,480
versus Parennal Perennialist debate, it was with our friend our

1036
01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:51,840
role there twenty bucks, Thank you, Arval. Were there any

1037
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:56,599
occult motives behind the Crusades? This is fascinating, I say yes.

1038
01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:02,119
And if you watch the Russian documentary on Byzantium, I

1039
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:07,599
think it touches on this. Do you have any views

1040
01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:09,800
Eric on the Crusades.

1041
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 3: I'm still I'm kind of have mixed feelings on the Crusades.

1042
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,719
I think there was a lot of corruption going on

1043
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,800
there and a lot of different I do think you

1044
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,360
had a cult influences active, but it's it's hard to

1045
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:32,800
say how much I would say. But I mean, if

1046
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,599
you look at like the Templars and the Assassins or

1047
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:38,960
the hash Ashians, you do have these kind of occult

1048
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,119
groups active.

1049
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:44,519
Speaker 1: So you think that it's likely that the Templars actually

1050
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:46,599
did get into some gnostic ideas.

1051
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 3: I believe that they did.

1052
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, so yeah, I would say, rbl if you

1053
01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:59,039
haven't watched the Russian documentary on Byzantium, which touches on

1054
01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:02,559
the Crusades. And I again, if you look into what's

1055
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:05,199
called a Frankish thesis, which I do think is legit,

1056
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:09,039
I'm not seeing Romanites is legit. But just because just

1057
01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:11,920
because Romanites talked about the Frankish thesis, and I think

1058
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:15,280
Romanites is goofy doesn't mean that the frank thesis is false.

1059
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:20,559
You can you can look at Saint Phocius the Great

1060
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,000
at in his day he was writing letters about the Franks,

1061
01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:28,800
which would become the Frankish thesis. So uh, slaber shops

1062
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,400
five dollars chicken or beef. I don't know what that means.

1063
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,440
If you mean our meeting, our carnivore meeting will be

1064
01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:40,639
eating steaks, bro if you come to the Boiler Room

1065
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:45,559
Jays Analysis Live meet up next Saturday at Round Rock, Austin,

1066
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:50,239
Texas at the Old Settlers Pavilion Park at five six pm,

1067
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,960
and then we're going to go to the steakhouse. Me

1068
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,320
has your Spore mystery guests and other people. Come chill,

1069
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,519
let's see Bob Bob two. Did Burr and Hamilton and

1070
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:06,719
their controversy have anything to do with the Masonic elements,

1071
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:08,159
that's a question to you.

1072
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 3: I believe that they were both free Masons.

1073
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:15,679
Speaker 1: Ah interesting, but so we had a Masonic duel going

1074
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:16,119
on there.

1075
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,519
Speaker 3: It's hard to say what was going on there. I mean,

1076
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:24,599
I don't know if there was any occult.

1077
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,559
Speaker 1: No occult significance to that one autocrat Justinian five dollars.

1078
01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:30,960
What books would you recommend analyzing the build up of

1079
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,800
the Enlightenment and it's anti Christian ani mark monarchical enterprise

1080
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,199
until the present day. I would say read the Haiko

1081
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:45,320
Oberman book Medieval Harvest of Medieval Philosophy. Hits his book

1082
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,400
on Gabriel Bile, because Gabriel Bile is who prepares b

1083
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:57,079
I e. L Nominalism for Luther's influence. By Bile you

1084
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:01,079
have the release of nominalism by the reformer and the humanists.

1085
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:06,480
That becomes the empiricist approach of the Enlightenment. So you

1086
01:07:06,519 --> 01:07:10,920
want to read Haiko Oberman's book Harvest of Medieval Theology.

1087
01:07:12,519 --> 01:07:16,079
That's what I would say. John McCrae, two thousand and six,

1088
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:18,440
four nine nine, Thank you very much, John. Appreciate that

1089
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:25,119
cryptocurrency stem five bucks. What sources are considered authoritative on

1090
01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:28,559
Masonic rituals and their true meanings? I think morals and

1091
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:32,199
Dogma's unquestionable. I think Secret Teaching of All Ages by

1092
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:35,400
Manly P. Hall. Those are classics. I don't think I've

1093
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:42,679
never heard them disputed. There's what McCoy's Masonic Encyclopedia or whatever.

1094
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,920
What are the sources you think are the kind of

1095
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:45,719
the mainstays.

1096
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:49,559
Speaker 3: I think my three go to you guys are Pike, Mackey,

1097
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:55,159
and Haul So Mackey is the encyclopedia I'm talking about.

1098
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:58,880
He's got a Masonic encyclopedia that's very useful for just

1099
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,480
looking up terms. But he's got other works as well.

1100
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,360
I think the easiest one to read is Manly P. Hall.

1101
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:08,880
I would really recommend Secret Teachings of All Ages to

1102
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:14,440
give you a good overview of all sorts of occult topics.

1103
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,520
And I just think he's more enjoyable to read than

1104
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,439
a lot of these Masonic writers can be kind of

1105
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:20,359
painful to slave.

1106
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:26,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I've got like the Lomas

1107
01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:28,520
and all those clowns that are the more modern guys

1108
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,119
and on all that they do. The one book that

1109
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:35,359
Lomas has it's relevant is his Freemasonry in the Royal Society.

1110
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,880
That's a very important book because he proves that modern

1111
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:42,800
scientism comes out of Masonry and that the Royal Society

1112
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:48,960
promoted this as a Masonic entity and institution. That's very important.

1113
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,680
But otherwise the rest of Lomas's books, it's all the

1114
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,760
real Jesus is gnostic Jesus like Zeitgeist level stuff. So

1115
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:01,600
I don't recommend any of the other stuff. But okay,

1116
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:06,239
so we are getting a little long here. I'm really tired.

1117
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:08,319
I've been driving all day and we had a really

1118
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,960
cool talk. This is a great introduction. Your video is

1119
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:15,159
much longer. It's about two hours and what thirty minutes,

1120
01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:17,760
It's like two hours and forty minutes. Yeah, So I'm

1121
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,079
going to have that link below, But tell everybody right

1122
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:22,960
now your channel if they want to subscribe to you,

1123
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,960
because you're going to be putting out more of these

1124
01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:28,239
kind of really in depth analysis, probably gonna have a

1125
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:31,119
book one day. What's your what's the name of your channel?

1126
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so my channel is picking Bones.

1127
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,119
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna add it when you when you, let's

1128
01:09:36,119 --> 01:09:37,760
see awesome.

1129
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:47,159
Speaker 3: Picking Bones too. Yeah. And for this video that I did,

1130
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:50,079
spend about six months working on it. I I wanted

1131
01:09:50,079 --> 01:09:53,359
to launch with something pretty big, so I put a

1132
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:55,399
lot of work into it. So i'd definitely encourage you

1133
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,279
to go check that out. But I want to start

1134
01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:01,159
producing you know, shorter videos and just you know, make

1135
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:02,960
this a regular thing. I'd like to make a career

1136
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,439
out of this doing stuff similar to what is doing.

1137
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: So all right, so let me add real quick here

1138
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:12,079
to the descripts. Well, I can't do that right now.

1139
01:10:12,119 --> 01:10:16,640
Let's see, I'm gonna put it in the chat for everybody,

1140
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,359
and I will add it here to the So here's

1141
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:21,319
his channel, everybody, and right now his first video is

1142
01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:24,359
this two hour, forty minute kind of really end up

1143
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:29,960
historical treatment. So you guys can check out his his

1144
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:34,039
link there and then where's okay, I'll just add it

1145
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:37,479
to the to the show description right now while I'm well,

1146
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,560
I'm thinking about it, so I don't forget. So they're

1147
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,800
in the show description now. Is his thing, and I

1148
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,840
think we did get another super chet here, so let

1149
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:46,880
me go back to that.

1150
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,239
Speaker 3: Cool and let's see here.

1151
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,359
Speaker 1: Nick Kaye just calling me. He wants me to come.

1152
01:10:55,279 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: And find his pyramid chum, find my pyramid chumb, and

1153
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,399
I'll grant you interest into the Hollywood Illuminati.

1154
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,119
Speaker 1: Zoomer Hub two dollars. If I ever do convert, it

1155
01:11:05,119 --> 01:11:07,960
will be to orthodoxy. That's what we want to hear, bro,

1156
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:11,039
Glad to hear that, absolutely, we hope. So so I've

1157
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:15,279
added Eric's links there. He's got again really really end

1158
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:17,640
up stuff. I'm getting kind of tired of and driving

1159
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:22,119
literally all day, so I don't think I can keep

1160
01:11:22,119 --> 01:11:24,720
going much longer. But thank you guys very much, really

1161
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,680
fascinating talk. We want to keep this kind of tight.

1162
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,760
Everybody check out his stuff, subscribe to him. Also, subscribe

1163
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,720
to Just some Guy. I've put up his links too.

1164
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,560
We did a long interview. He's trying to start his

1165
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:42,279
podcast similar material. He's really into Quiggly He's doing quickly Talk.

1166
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So subscribe to Eric, Eric Pickingbone, subscribe to Just Guy,

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our new friends, and then we will look forward to

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new content. Eric. What do you what's your next project?

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What can we look for next?

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Speaker 3: I guess I have. What I want to do is

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become an expert in secret societies. You know, my expertise

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is the Morgan Affair. That's what I've got the most

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experience in. But I really do want to just know

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all that I can about Mason Ray and the Illuminati

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and secret society. So I'm probably gonna go through books

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and do book analyses. Do also breakdowns of some of

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the topics that I cover in the video, because a

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lot of the topics I only gave about five minutes,

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right right, go more in depth in the various topics.

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Speaker 1: Marco calib Bic three Canadian, Thank you very much, Marco

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appreciate that. Yeah, really cool talk tonight. All right, God

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bless everybody. I'm too tired. I don't think I keep going,

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but thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Eric.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on. We had a great audience.

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I think we almost got up to three fifty when

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we got up to four hundred, So that's great for

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a live audience, and I'm glad we did this Friday.

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You get a bigger live audience on a Friday night

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or some Saturday night than you would on Tuesday night,

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so it's actually worked out better. And again reminder to everybody,

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if I go to if I find Nick Cage's too,

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you bet I'm gonna shoot a video. As people are

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saying in the chat, of course, I'm gonna shoot a

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video there, and the whole video will be me talking

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like Nick Cage like I'm dead or something. I don't know,

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but yes I will. And Saturday, if you're in the

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Texas Round Rock area or even outside of that area,

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come to our boiler room meet up and maybe maybe, maybe,

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just maybe we can talk some big name people secret

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guests into showing up. I don't know yet, but I

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will be there, Hesher will be there, A Sport will

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be there, and the rest of the billroom crew. Thank

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you guys very much, God bless have a great night.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Eric, thank you so much. Day. This has

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been great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure we'll talk soon in the future and

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we are peace out, y