WEBVTT 1 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:29.640 Hello, everybody, Welcome back to That's No mat Alone. Welcome 2 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:32.399 back to the album club pack. We are in the 3 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:34.439 very end of April twenty twenty five. 4 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:36.960 We are back with another one of these things. You 5 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:37.880 know what we're here to do. 6 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:42.719 We come to this place to revel in some sensational 7 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:44.679 sometimes not sensational. But you know, with the ones we've 8 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.640 got today, they're all pretty good, aren't they. Albums from 9 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:50.039 rock and metal history. We're going to give you the 10 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.560 deep dive with your infuse or all over these bad boys. 11 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:56.119 And I think that's a nothing trouble need. Really, let's 12 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.520 get into it. If we have album clubs from Negadiess, 13 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:04.319 Rusting Piece, Killing Jokes two thousand and three, self titled Sunday, 14 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:08.439 Real Estate's Diary, and Gore Guts, Colored Sands. If you 15 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:10.319 don't know some of those albums and what they sound like, 16 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.439 we're gonna tell you. But we are gonna start with 17 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:14.239 an album that I think you probably do. 18 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:15.159 Know what it sounds like. 19 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.840 It's Megadeth rust in Peace. I could never quite figure 20 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:21.920 out in the end trawling through the T and M 21 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.439 archives if Rest in Peace actually has ever been done 22 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:26.719 as an album club or not. But it certainly hasn't 23 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:29.799 in the modern incarnation of this show. And when Elliott said, 24 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.680 hang on, have we not done Rest in Peace? Yeah, 25 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:34.640 I could have countered back saying that it would be 26 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.879 funnier to do super Collider instead, or it would be 27 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:40.920 more of a dark horse pick to do like so far, 28 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:43.200 so good, so what, or even like euthanasia or something 29 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:46.319 or whatever. But now we've been handed here an opportunity 30 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:49.560 to talk about Rust in Peace is one of those 31 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.680 like if someone and you know, places magazines frequently do 32 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:58.079 put together like the top ten essential metal albums of 33 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:01.359 all time, like Filtering Away your personal biases or the 34 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:05.159 ones that you like, whatever, just those definitive Master of Puppets, Paranoid, 35 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:08.439 Raining Blood, whatever eighties made an album would go in there. 36 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.479 Of all of those bands, Megadeth are the one that 37 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:14.039 do sometimes come with some sentience of like near Megadeth 38 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:16.759 from some areas. So it is worth emphasizing as we 39 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:20.879 go into this album club, this is categorically in that 40 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:26.840 selection and practically immovable from that mountain for thirty five years. 41 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:31.840 Yeah, I mean it's not normally you've got I'm a Megadeth, 42 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:35.240 I'm a bit of a Megadeth hater, you're not gonna 43 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.280 get back today. Like when when hearing Annalysis, I was 44 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:40.319 gonna look like Megadeth and I was like, yeah, no, 45 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:43.080 it's rest in Peace in it, Like I can't pretend 46 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.680 to hate this record like Sight Spoilers, But as Parents says, 47 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:50.560 this is one of those just tightened albums of metal 48 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.639 that you kind of just can't you got hands like, yeah, Megadeth, 49 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:57.080 we're fucking on it for this one, and delivered a 50 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:01.360 front to back you could call a masterp, isn't it. 51 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:01.919 Well. 52 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:04.800 I think that's that's the reason I was so baffled 53 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:06.960 that it maybe hasn't been done on the show because 54 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.879 there's been hundreds of album clubs at this point, and 55 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:11.840 there are so many lms we haven't done it. It's crazy, 56 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:14.560 it's insane, And like, I'm sure there are some alms 57 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.199 that have solved more than this that maybe you know, 58 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:19.039 you know you're gonna find in more recor collections than 59 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:22.280 Rust and Peace. But there are a few albums in 60 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:27.280 metal ever that are more acclaimed and more influential and 61 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:29.120 more important. And I really think if you're if you're 62 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.479 talking about those, you're e that sort of rolling Stone 63 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:35.599 Tops and Metal Albms Echelon. Yeah, it's like Master of 64 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:39.319 Puppets maybe comes up more often. Number of the Beast Paranoid. 65 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:42.560 This could be like the fourth in that run. 66 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:47.080 Yeah, it never gets number one, it won't get top 67 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:49.560 three in those places, but this will perpetually be like 68 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:53.639 the SIT for seven's best metal album of all time, sat. 69 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.000 Like This and Raining Blow, aren't you Like? 70 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:57.560 They're the kind of like after you get past like Paranoid, 71 00:03:57.639 --> 00:03:59.439 Number of the Beast, you want to put them as 72 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:01.680 the top three in that sort of next rung down 73 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:03.800 of like still a top ten album. 74 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:05.960 It's in the eleven out of tens, you know, and 75 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:09.120 it's one of those album clubs where you know, like 76 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:11.840 a Master of Puppets like a Rain and Blood. I 77 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:15.199 have heard this album so many times in its entirety 78 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:17.920 from my very early days of being a metal head. 79 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:21.639 It is complete second nature. It is in my and 80 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:24.560 I'm sure many others. DNA writing notes on it was 81 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:26.759 a matter of keeping up to type as fast as 82 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.439 the riffs are moving, But I know how every one 83 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:31.560 of these songs goes every beat instinctively. 84 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:32.879 The last time that we. 85 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.519 Spoke about a Megadeth album was a couple of years 86 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:37.800 ago when we had James from hellripper on and he 87 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:42.240 chose Pece Cells. But who's buying? And that is practically 88 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:45.639 peak thrash metal, you know, the spirit of nineteen eighty 89 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:49.639 six at its most alive and vibrant, and sam we 90 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:51.399 were going like, yeah, you know, megadetha have their pros 91 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:55.399 and cons, but fucking hell, and now we are moving 92 00:04:55.439 --> 00:05:00.399 onto an album that scales honestly miraculous heights. Like if 93 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:04.160 Megadeth in the eighties, those first three albums with PCE 94 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:06.680 Cells generally seen as like the peak of those if 95 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.879 that was what megadeth legacy was built on, that would 96 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:13.680 be legendary. There are maybe like two three thrash metal 97 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.079 bands in history with highs as high as those, but 98 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:21.240 that they somehow built from that into this and that 99 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:25.000 eighties material that is so wild and fast and state 100 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:28.120 of the art at the time almost seems low tech 101 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:31.160 and like incredibly rough around the edges neck to this 102 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.079 fucking like star destroyer of an album is one of 103 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:36.399 metal's great achievements. 104 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:38.279 I think that's been going back to. 105 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:41.199 This is kind of like because like Peace Cells, Like again, 106 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:43.560 that's another Megadith album. I do quite like even as 107 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:47.160 a MegaDEF hater, because you know, Peace cells good album, 108 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:52.040 but that's a sort of a rougher like spikier album. 109 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:53.040 This is blockbuster. 110 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:56.959 This is like big budget cinematic just kind of like 111 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.480 the biggest scale heavy metal possible, like or frash Malt 112 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:01.519 where you want to sort of like that bit and 113 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:04.879 it is doing that, and just it just sounds bigger 114 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:07.439 and more high tech and more and like and in 115 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:09.560 a way it's sometimes with their eyes would say that 116 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:12.120 the more kind of like glossier high tech like album 117 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:13.920 is the more exciting one. But then there's sort of 118 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:17.319 the rougher sort of like frashy one. But haven't they 119 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:19.879 just there is something about piece, about a rusting piece 120 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:24.240 where that like scope and that kind of like space age, 121 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:26.720 like I say, star destroy nature of it. It just 122 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:29.120 kind of like gets like your hair's on end. Like 123 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:30.920 there's like something just like really cool. 124 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:33.240 And if you're listening to the arms in order for 125 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:35.680 the first time, there's no reason to expect this would 126 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:37.160 come because the one that comes before it is so 127 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:40.560 far so good. So what that's divisive among Mega Death 128 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:43.360 fans for kind of being a bit rough around the edges, 129 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.800 particularly even by the standard of the eighties records, kind 130 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.319 of treblly messy, like you could tell the whole band 131 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.399 run speed. It's kind of unfocused. I love it like 132 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.120 I love all the all of the first three or 133 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.279 obviously the first the first run of Megata Fums, I 134 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:58.920 think are basically all perfect in their own way. But 135 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:04.879 Rusting Peace is like a genius IQ move from. It's 136 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:07.920 almost like an idiot savant moment for this band, where 137 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:10.680 like you just think they're insane and then you sit 138 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:13.040 down and play chess with them and they wipe the 139 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:15.279 floor with you. It just it comes out of nowhere 140 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:16.199 in their discography. 141 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:19.079 Yeah, and I get thinking about where to start with 142 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:21.240 this as an album club. I guess I'm drawn to 143 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:22.639 the date a little bit. And I do think about 144 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:24.920 this sometimes with Rest in Peace and Megaeth in general, 145 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:27.199 because they almost seemed like there are a couple of years 146 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.519 behind the rest of the Big Four, not in terms 147 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.399 of like radicalness or ability or anything obviously, but just 148 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:35.279 time frame, because I guess obviously mustayd have been kicked 149 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:37.079 out of Metallica and then he had to like race 150 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.279 to get his band into gear. So their debut is 151 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:41.920 eighty five, when most bands are on album two, second 152 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:43.759 album is eighty six, when the restaurant around album three, 153 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.160 et cetera. And so they are the one of the 154 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:50.759 big four who's their most like widely held definitive album 155 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:53.959 doesn't come out in the eighties. It's nineteen ninety, and 156 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.959 they're like widely held classic lineup which assembles here for 157 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.600 the first time is not the eighties line of Megadeth 158 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.240 that exists. It's the nineties one and nineteen ninety is 159 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:05.399 a crazy year. I mean, we spoke about this when 160 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:07.279 I guess the last time we did one of these 161 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:10.000 like thrash giant albums on Album Club was Scenes in 162 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:11.399 the Abyss a couple of years ago, and we spoke 163 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.160 about how an album like that it's kind of both 164 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:16.879 the album that sets Slayer up for the nineties, but 165 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.560 also the one that like marks the end and the 166 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:22.519 cap on their kind of most classic thrash period nineteen 167 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:24.199 ninety as a whole. If you look at the records 168 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:27.040 that came out that year, it's almost like that for 169 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:29.800 all of the you know, the blockbuster kind of headline 170 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:31.920 bands in metal at that time. In one year, there's 171 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:35.320 Rust in Peace, Seasons in the Abyss, Painkiller, and Cowboys 172 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.960 from Hell. You can throw in Persists of Time from 173 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:39.759 Anthrax as well, which is like their final like classic 174 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:42.840 Joey Belladonna album. They're all sort of that, you know, 175 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:45.679 they're the end of the eighties and you know, so 176 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:48.000 called like classic heavy metals kind of ear of dominance, 177 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.559 but also the dawn of the nineties and Elliott, You're 178 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.559 quite right, I think, you know, for Megadeth, this is 179 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:59.600 the last gasp of maybe their most undiluted form before 180 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:03.080 the Black Album basically, because after this you get Countdown 181 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:06.480 to Extinction, which is, you know, another classic Megadeth album, certainly, 182 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:08.399 but you can see they are, you know, they're reacting 183 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:11.000 to the direction of the genre around them. And then 184 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:12.879 all the other albums you know, come after that one, 185 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.080 and it's it's kind of crazy to think that this 186 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:18.840 lineup here is so celebrated because you know, Davestayne and 187 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:21.639 Dave Ellison joined by Marty Freeman and Nick Menza. Here 188 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.759 they only make one album that's like this, that's the 189 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:27.759 lineup that makes Countdown to Extinction and Euthanasia and then 190 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:28.559 Cryptic Writings. 191 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:29.600 They only make. 192 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:33.240 One Ultra tech thrash album in the vein of rest 193 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.840 in peace with that lineup, and I guess it speaks 194 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:38.799 volumes that we remember that as the classic lineup because 195 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:43.120 they only do this once. But it is the ultra 196 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:47.039 tech thrash album. It's like, undeniably the greatest you know, 197 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:49.600 tech thrash album, if you want to call that a 198 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:52.120 genre that there's been. I mean maybe if you count 199 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.519 like and Justice for All, there's at least an argument, 200 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:57.480 not even a definitive win, but an argument. But this 201 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.320 the strand of thrash that megan really like spur into 202 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:03.960 rapid evolution just through making these albums or that like 203 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:08.360 hyper speed, hyper technical, hyper progressive that we're ever actually 204 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:10.519 you know, never actually feeling like progue just because it 205 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:12.559 is so coked up and aggressive. 206 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:14.559 This album. 207 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:16.080 When I put it on next to all of the 208 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:18.320 other thrash albums of this era, it's the one that 209 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.200 just sounds like the future. Like of all of those 210 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.960 great thrash albums of its golden period, this is the 211 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:26.600 one where you go, I actually can't quite believe that 212 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:28.000 this comes out in nineteen ninety. 213 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.080 Yeah, I think it's it is, like I say, it's 214 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:34.679 a definitive statement on that kind of that like techie 215 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:38.200 thrash or metal way. It does feel like, well, I'm 216 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:39.879 throwing away what meganef we're doing in the eighties. It 217 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.120 feels like it's pushing fresh into kind of like a 218 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.440 new direction. Is kind of like we can explore new sounds, 219 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:49.360 we can play more precisely, more like progressively, but still 220 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:50.240 have that shot in. 221 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:52.440 The arm kind of like frill ride excitement. 222 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:54.759 And it just does that in a way that feels 223 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:57.639 bigger and more advanced than anything that's come before it. 224 00:10:58.279 --> 00:10:59.799 Well, yeah, and if we are going to compare it 225 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:02.519 to something like and Justice for All, which obviously does 226 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:05.000 have some huge songs on it, and songs that translate 227 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.279 to an arena and have stayed in the Metallica live set, 228 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:09.519 the fact that they went and did the blackolm maarth 229 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.679 is kind of no surprise because those songs are so 230 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:14.600 I mean, I think it's my second favorite Metallica record, 231 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:16.360 But that's that's an almful of songs. You get lost 232 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.600 in the mad thing about Rust in Peace is it 233 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:23.120 does that, but it also features many of their most 234 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:24.840 popular songs that have sayed and set to this down 235 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:26.600 and I think that's kind of the genius of it 236 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.639 and why it's endured and why it still sounds, if 237 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.159 not contemporary, it doesn't sound dated in the way that 238 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:36.000 other albums from that time because they're not just playing 239 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:37.600 with these ideas and saying or how far can we 240 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:40.320 take this? They also happen to be writing some of 241 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.000 their best songs. And I think you said about this 242 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:45.279 being the classic lineup. I don't think it's just incidental, 243 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:46.840 like they happen to be in the right place at 244 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:49.679 the right time. It's because the lineup brings it on 245 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.960 this record more than probably any other Mega Death record. 246 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:55.440 I'm a big Mega Death fan, but I get confused 247 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:58.480 who plays on what records? Sometimes there's no question on 248 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.799 this one because they're in some cases like the first 249 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.159 people you think of, aren't Dave Mustain on this one? 250 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:08.360 Yeah, I mean, I would argue that Megadeth have two 251 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:10.480 different classic lineups, and the first one is the you 252 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:12.279 know the guy Samason Chris Polan lineup, when the next 253 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:14.120 one is is this one. And then just to draw 254 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.120 the and justice real comparison to an end, I think 255 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.440 just for all I would say it is almost kind 256 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:21.399 of prog that is like a progressive thrash record, whereas 257 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:23.759 Rest in Peace isn't really prog in the same way. 258 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:27.159 It's just hyper technical and hyper complicated, you know, just 259 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.480 a nitpick between kind of what terms we're using. But 260 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:32.200 it's a you know, it always a nerdy thing to 261 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:34.679 jump to you first, but this is an engineering achievement 262 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:36.440 in heavy metal for the time. Like I actually don't 263 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:38.039 think I'd ever looked at this before, but it's done 264 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:39.840 by Mike Clink, who at the same time was doing 265 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:41.879 all the guns and Roses stuff, like he did Appetite 266 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:45.120 and then Use Your Illusion, and this album is one 267 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.600 of those that just needs to sound like a fucking spaceship, 268 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.679 you know, or like a you know, a nuclear reactor 269 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.200 or something, because that eighties negative stuff has that like 270 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.600 street personality, like they're gonna pull a switchblade on you 271 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:00.399 at any moment. And uh, you know you were talking 272 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:02.879 about so far, so good, so what which You're quite right. 273 00:13:02.919 --> 00:13:03.080 You know. 274 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:07.320 Historically, when you see listicles of like ranked Meganeth albums 275 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:09.440 and they've got that like eighth or something, it's an 276 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:12.200 immediate disregard you don't know what you're talking about. But 277 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.919 the mainstream narrative is that it's kind of a sloppier album, 278 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:17.000 and it is, you know, it is harsh, and it 279 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:20.399 is kind of like drunken and it's not the easiest 280 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:23.639 on the ears for a general metal audience. But again, 281 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:26.159 rather than like a Metallica who kind of climb up 282 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:27.960 and up and up until they naturally arrive at like 283 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.080 an and Justice for All, Meganeth kind of go up 284 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:31.799 and down and just kind of all over the place. 285 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:36.120 But this is so ahead of the curve sonically that 286 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:38.279 in comparison to even anything they've done prior to this, 287 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:40.440 it's kind of like undeniable in comparison. 288 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:42.720 I mean, I think for me the sort of the 289 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:46.840 testament of how good this album sounds. It does sound incredible, 290 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:49.440 and so Dave must do on fucking vocals. 291 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:52.639 Like who this is getting way ahead ourselves, But he 292 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:53.759 fucking kills it. 293 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:56.480 On this album. This is this is his best performance. 294 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:02.720 But it's still I wouldn't go that far. He is like, 295 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.480 but that's the thing is this album it does sound 296 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.919 fucking incredible. You have to still take on board it's 297 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:10.840 Dave mustname, but you're right, it is his most compelling 298 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.840 performance and it does actually suit the songs and the 299 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:16.879 overall sound of the album, which is kind of like. 300 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:19.039 Well, this is again I have to kind of Progredia 301 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:20.840 like it works on this one. 302 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:22.879 I don't like Dave Mustay will always be my kind 303 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.120 of like barrier on ever truly love meganeff even at 304 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:29.159 like ignoring must say the person as a vocalist. I 305 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.039 just I can find him very grating a lot of 306 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:34.679 the time. None of that on this album, even if 307 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:37.080 he's still doing the thing he does. And again I 308 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.039 don't know if that is you know, the production, just 309 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:42.000 the quality of the songs where his vocals just seem 310 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:44.360 to lock in with the guitars and all that, but 311 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:46.360 it all just comes together to just all of it 312 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:49.039 sound excellent and there is not a weak link on 313 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:49.480 this record. 314 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:49.960 Yeah it is. 315 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.600 It's one of those complications in the mix that when 316 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:54.080 I was a kid and I bought this on CD, 317 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:56.639 it was the two thousand and four remaster, which was 318 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:58.879 like widely available everywhere at the time, and it took 319 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:01.679 me years actually to learn from like older head Megadeth fans, 320 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:04.399 that's not actually the proper version of the album, because 321 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:07.039 that's where Dave was like fiddling around doing new vocal 322 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:09.159 takes and like you know, new drum sounds and stuff 323 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:10.840 like that, but it was the one that I knew 324 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:12.759 for like several years, so I had to like slowly 325 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:15.519 wean myself off the two thousand and four version. I 326 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:17.480 just say this because I notice on streams like the 327 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.480 highest streaming songs of the two thousand and four versions, 328 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:22.639 So I think most people actually haven't heard the original 329 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:24.679 mix of the album. But anyway, that's the one that 330 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.039 I do listen to now. And you know, that nineteen 331 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:29.600 ninety original mix, still without the kind of tweaking, is 332 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:32.639 just like galactic to compareison to most things at the time, 333 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:36.240 and it goes in line with basically a real like 334 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:39.440 meticulousness on it when it comes to writing and playing 335 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:42.559 where you know again, that Gar Samuelson Chris Poland line 336 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.200 up is just some of the most careening out of 337 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.200 the realms of sanity playing in thrash metal at the time. 338 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:49.679 And then when you get to you know so far 339 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:51.399 so could so what and it's like a punk record. 340 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:55.759 It is gloriously kind of imperfect, which not rust in Peace. 341 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:57.919 Rust in Peace does not have a note out of 342 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:00.799 place somehow, and this lineup with you know, Nick Menza, 343 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.799 who I don't think it's quite as like fucking crazy 344 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:06.440 what's he doing as like Gar Samuelson, But he perfectly 345 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:10.279 manages to like place these drum hooks all over the record, 346 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:12.519 like the Holy Wars fill or whatever, like on top 347 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:15.120 of these crazy rhythms and patterns that he's doing. And 348 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:17.720 then Marty Friedman, who, as we'll talk about, you know, 349 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:20.240 basically with this one record if he ended here, cements 350 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:22.440 himself as like one of the greatest metal le guitaris. 351 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.679 Simple time Rust in Peace is where those you know, 352 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:30.159 musical acrobatics combined with just the writing kind of you know, 353 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.559 second to second note to note perfect songs somehow, but 354 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:37.000 then sound light years ahead of the competition, just all 355 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:39.600 solidifies into just one of the greatest records ever made. 356 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:42.399 I guess, you know, we start with some heavy hitters, 357 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:46.559 because this album has gloriously it has one of the 358 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:50.720 most mental side a's on any record, and then arguably 359 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:52.919 still has its best song Waiting in the Wings on 360 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.480 side B. But Holy Wars into Hanger eighteen to start 361 00:16:56.480 --> 00:16:59.799 off with. It's that's basically like one big eleven to 362 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.399 two minute flex, isn't it? The start of this record, 363 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.559 like absolutely no one is matching that for the realm 364 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:06.839 in which this is operating, no one has. 365 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.359 I just listen to the opening riff on Holy Wars, 366 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:13.880 like again, go back to some words and sampling quite one, 367 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:16.119 and I was like, I'm gonna be like difficult, and 368 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:17.319 I had I kept playing. 369 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:19.160 Like fuck it, you win this round. 370 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:21.079 Sometimes haters have to be proved wrong. 371 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:26.160 I like, I've always liked this album because again, as 372 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:26.680 I said. 373 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:29.160 You have something I want to be a bit difficult sometimes, 374 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.920 but you just you hit play on Holy Wars and 375 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:35.640 it's that hinged approach to songwriting and the way these 376 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:39.119 like riffs collide together, like but it's just like say 377 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:43.119 a tech fresh masterclass, and there's nothing formulaic about it, 378 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:46.440 Like there's nothing that feels like playing it safe and 379 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.480 trying to write a hit. But it's fucking catchy and 380 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:53.200 interesting and it is, like I say, I pushing fash 381 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.839 into new exciting territory. 382 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.000 This song. I don't know how many times I've heard it. 383 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.839 I mean, I know this album like my own face, 384 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:06.119 like it's it's basically tattooed on the inside of my ears. 385 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.119 I don't know how many times I've heard Holy Wars. 386 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:12.000 It's kind of hard to overstate what an unbelievable feat 387 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.599 of metal songwriting is. The number of incredible riffs and 388 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:19.519 moments you get before Dave even starts singing yeah, like 389 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:22.279 and it's you're not waiting that long, but you I 390 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:24.119 mean you're you're probably reading them off in your head 391 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:27.119 as you're listening to this. It's just sick moment after 392 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:28.480 sick mind and some of the only last like two 393 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:30.920 or three seconds before disappearing. And when it locks into 394 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:36.759 that Dad at that exact second before you started singing 395 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:40.720 it mate, it is. It's it's again like all that's 396 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:42.799 what you're say about the early records feeling careering and 397 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:46.680 out of control. This is like atomically perfect, Like you 398 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:50.079 couldn't move it at a plank length whatever, the smallest 399 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:55.599 distances in any direction to improve it. And I'm still 400 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:58.240 only thinking of the intro. I'm still thinking before like 401 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:00.759 the singer comes in with all those hooks as well, 402 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.599 and then the song completely changes direction again it and 403 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:06.240 it's not like you say, I don't think it's the 404 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:07.880 best song on the record, maybe even the second best 405 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:10.640 song on the record. It's wild like as a way 406 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.799 to like as as a micro drop as the record starts. 407 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.200 Yeah, it's it's just a miracle riff to start off with, 408 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:19.480 just like you know, one of those refs I'll never 409 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.960 ever get tired of hearing just tech speed metal at 410 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:27.079 its apex, the skip on the drums underpinning it. It's like, 411 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:29.039 there's so much fun, you know, it's like one of 412 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:31.519 the most fun sounds has ever been on a metal record, 413 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:35.440 I think. And it is a six minute multisection prog 414 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:38.240 metal epic that you can sing every word to, you know, 415 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:41.599 brother Will Gil Brother, It's building blood across the land. 416 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:45.400 It's like one of the definitive opening lines to a 417 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:48.079 metal song, next to generals gathering their masses, just like 418 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:50.920 which is that black masses? And the mid section is 419 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.599 such a one of you have to just stop and 420 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.079 consider what an eccentric move that is for a song 421 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:58.839 to make. And it's it's almost like it's quite trite 422 00:19:58.880 --> 00:19:59.200 in a way. 423 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:00.279 You to just have like. 424 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:02.839 Middle Eastern guitars and the chimes and stuff like, oh, 425 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:06.799 we're changing scenery. But it works so evocatively and it 426 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.319 doesn't draw things to a halt or tool despite the 427 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.559 fact that it literally does stop dead like it somehow 428 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:16.680 just builds the mood and the journey even more so 429 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:19.680 the lead guitars all through it. That kind of solo 430 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:23.039 in the midsection are almost like a just a warning 431 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:24.640 shot of what's going to come over the whole rest 432 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:26.480 of the record. And then when you're saying all the 433 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.599 little rifts, maybe I don't even know what you'd call 434 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:32.000 this exact trick, you know, the rift transition where the 435 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:35.279 song returns from the slow section into the fast bit, 436 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:37.599 but it has to build back into the fast bit 437 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:38.680 from the stop star. 438 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.000 Like the little chugs in my notes was like, because 439 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:46.480 I love that middle pace where it's like GENI quite 440 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:49.440 menacing and kind of like weird and something together. But 441 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:52.640 because it's slows on so much, it makes that little 442 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:54.039 build up into. 443 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:57.079 The far your ears. 444 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:58.680 Just that much more kind of exhilarating. And that was 445 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:00.839 what I was just going, was like, I'm in for 446 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.079 the ride again. Like when that fast when the song 447 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:05.640 sort of dues back in off the slow bit, it 448 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:09.400 is perfect. And I'm like, imagine not liking fresh metal 449 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.400 metal of any kind of get moments like that that're 450 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.119 just gonna go like, ah man, this is what like 451 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:16.240 it's all about, isn't. 452 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:19.880 It When it does slow down, it's that riff. I 453 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:21.680 feel like there's gonna be a lot of a cappella 454 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:26.400 in this review and so far. But like the way 455 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:29.240 it goes on like Dan and Dan Dan aad Dead 456 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:34.079 did and then and then opening that up with and 457 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:40.119 then and then that is black album level mid temper riffing. 458 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:42.480 And it's not even the thing that comes to mind 459 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:44.759 when you think of this song, like it's the kind 460 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:48.680 of it's it's the it's the middle act that the 461 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.480 two fast mental eccentric bits sit on it either side of. 462 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:55.880 And it's an incredible song in and of itself. 463 00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:58.960 Yeah, And and the way that that ramp up from 464 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:03.119 that kind of violent stop start section that I was 465 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:06.599 just talking about ushers in the last verse, Like this song, 466 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:09.119 it starts the way it does, and it gains intensity 467 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:11.000 when you're into the latter part of it, because when 468 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:12.720 you are hitting that, you know, next thing, you know, 469 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:16.160 they'll take my thoughts away. Mercy killings, Like the song 470 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.559 just seems to just like peak and peak over and 471 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.880 over again. It's erupted into this like total manic violence, 472 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:24.599 and right at that moment at the end where it 473 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:29.480 almost like has this like orgasmic fury fucking Hangar eighteen. 474 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:37.079 What the fuck does that just drive forcing itself like 475 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:40.400 violently up the threat board, building with every single chord, 476 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:42.319 Like I mean, there's a reason, Like both times i've 477 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.440 seen Megadeth several years apart, they've opened with that song. 478 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:47.119 It's not even the opener on the record, but it's 479 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:50.880 the perfect set opener because the impact of it. But 480 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:54.559 it's even more crazy when you look at Hanger eighteen 481 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.400 because what we were just saying about Holy Wars Hangar 482 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.359 eighteen is one of the most mentally structured kind of 483 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:04.000 major canonical metal songs because Holy Wars is, you know, 484 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.240 perfect example. We've got fast beginning, slow middle section, return 485 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:11.039 to fast end section. Hangary teen is a verse chorus 486 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:13.640 banger for the first half of it, like it's a 487 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:16.640 hit for them, and then the second half just becomes 488 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:20.359 a war of a thousand guitar solos and it never 489 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:23.440 returns to that versaile chorus. It's done that. It's like 490 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:25.400 you've had your chorus. Now we're going to do two 491 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:27.400 to three minutes of just like you know, telling the 492 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:31.680 story musically through the most head spinning duel of guitars 493 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.319 to everyde it was like, just the fucker last chorus, 494 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:36.759 We're just going to dessaorient you instead. 495 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:39.720 I mean, this to me might be like the definitive 496 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:42.200 Megadeth song in terms of just like when I think 497 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:46.000 of what Megadeth something, this is what those going to be. Like, well, 498 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:49.200 because you've got that opening sort of guitar melody which 499 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.359 is like just insanely catchy, like just one of those 500 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:55.640 like again just ten out of ten guitar lines. Dave 501 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:57.599 even kind of like sinks out of it with tuneless 502 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:01.039 croak to just deliver it again in a properly catchy way, 503 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:04.880 and it's like and then you're it just goes into 504 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:09.599 this like insane like bombardment of like rifts and shadows 505 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:11.839 and like it's like five minute song and it just 506 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:16.079 flies by in seconds because it's constantly firing something new 507 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:18.440 at you and you never can kind of like settle 508 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:20.599 down to but you don't kind of remember like how 509 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:22.839 catch the first players were just like fucking how that 510 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.440 solo is like who came up with that? And again, 511 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:27.960 like the structure of it is weird and it shouldn't 512 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.039 feel like it's kind of like one of the you know, 513 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.680 the big like fist pumping negative bangers because of, like 514 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.200 you said, that weird structure, but because every part of 515 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:37.039 it is just delivered with like such a lot sort 516 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:40.279 of like ten out of ten like ferocity and kind 517 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:43.400 of conviction, it all like locks into place perfectly. 518 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:46.599 I just got again, going back to that first section, 519 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:48.559 something that had never occurred to me before is that 520 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:52.440 that opening bit is three ascending rifts that are all 521 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:55.960 different like and they're just in sequence, which I don't know. 522 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:57.920 I can't think of many songs, if any songs that 523 00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:59.599 do the same thing, where all the rifts just go 524 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:01.720 up and up and up, yeah, and build and build 525 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:03.599 and build, and then when it gets to the verse chorus, 526 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.640 thing that tension still isn't released, and then the release 527 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.079 of it is completely changing the song to the point 528 00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:10.640 where I mean, the first I heard I really thought 529 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.279 there was something wrong with my CD. And now I 530 00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:17.559 can't imagine Hangary teen not transitioning into that second half. 531 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:19.240 In a bit like what those videos where it's like, 532 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:22.799 you know, it changes key and then it never stops changing, 533 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:24.920 you know, keep going up. But they do, and they 534 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.559 worked it and they've turned it into one of their hits. 535 00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:31.000 But when it does, when you get that again, you're 536 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.799 sort of Middle East and flare lead guitar that transitions 537 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:37.880 into the next part. It just puts every time, like again, 538 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:39.400 how many times I've heard this song? I don't even know, 539 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:42.680 Like the smile just spreads on my face against my 540 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:44.359 will because it's just like you know that the next 541 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.160 two minutes it's going to be like one of the 542 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:51.759 best guitar duels ever and underpinned by an almighty riff 543 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:53.960 that again like the guitars a dazzled. The leads are 544 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:59.559 dazzling enough, but the fuck is that you know how 545 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:01.599 well you're just gonna throw that in the back half 546 00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:03.319 of this song and then solo over it. That's not 547 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:06.319 the main riff? How how did you have such a 548 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:10.599 bank of sick riffs that this is almost an after thought? Yeah? 549 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:14.279 And then there's Taken Prisoners, which is a fully fucking 550 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:18.720 song that opening canon Like that song makes the previous 551 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:20.240 two songs seem like they weren't hard. 552 00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:20.839 What the fuck? 553 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.119 Like it just comes in and the opening cannon aide 554 00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:29.319 is so tight of that just and it's it stretches 555 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:31.839 it to a kind of breaking point over the first 556 00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:35.880 like thirty forty seconds, so when it does break, it's 557 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:40.000 just like go time, just the most just thrash metal 558 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.240 circle pit. I think I remember when I first was 559 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:44.799 getting into Megadeth. I think I heard like, you know, 560 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:47.079 Holy Wars and Hangar eighteen and Tornado Souls and stuff, 561 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:48.920 but maybe not the whole record. And I watched this 562 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:51.160 live show on YouTube and when they hit Taken Their Prisoners, 563 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:54.039 just thinking like, WHOA, what the hell is that, because 564 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:56.319 when you're thirteen, you've maybe not del fully into that 565 00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:58.640 death metal yet. And they've got the guys on the 566 00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:02.480 backing vocals either side go and infiltrate them to them 567 00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:05.440 like a death squad. It's basically like the hardest, scariest thing. 568 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:10.000 I kind of forget how good like punk Megadeth me 569 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:11.799 because this is one This is again where this is 570 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.519 like say lean and mean three minute like fore and 571 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:18.839 a half minutes of just like punchy, like tight in 572 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.240 your face Megadeth like and again that like you said 573 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:22.920 that the sort the back of I was like, that 574 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:25.480 is like that kind of hardcore gang vocal sort of thing, 575 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:28.640 but just through the kind of the fresh attack of Megadeth, 576 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:32.279 and like the bass feels on this song like when 577 00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:34.279 like they they're finding them out and again again That's 578 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:35.759 why I said that that punk and when I think 579 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.960 like punk, those kind of crazy bass bits, you get 580 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.000 them on this and it is just like, say, it's 581 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.359 still got that sort of dexterous sort of ferocity and 582 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:46.200 like super tight plan. 583 00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:49.759 There's nothing sloppy about this, but it is just like say, 584 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:50.599 it is mean. 585 00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:53.200 It is a bruiser of a track, and I think 586 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:55.960 it might be like outside of Hanging eighty, maybe my 587 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:58.599 favorite song on the record, Like it's so just like 588 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.400 punch in tire and fucking go so hard. 589 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.200 I think, and I guess what good reason. But Megadeth 590 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.400 has sort of seen as the least punk, certainly of 591 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.119 the Big four, the least association with it because the 592 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.559 first thing you think of is the shredding and nowadays 593 00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:14.119 is like the toy with five figure death punch. However, 594 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:16.039 it's it's that they're not tied to that sort of 595 00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:19.799 culture whatsoever. But Take No Prisoners, Take No Ship as 596 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:23.759 a gang vocal towards the end is if I just 597 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:27.079 I would love to see like nineteen ninety one Megadeth 598 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:35.039 outbreak doing a bit like that and this song is 599 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.160 so it sounds mad saying because especially after the first two, 600 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.680 this one is like even more propulsive, Like it almost 601 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.680 sounds like the the riff is rushing itself. Do you 602 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:46.519 know what I mean? It's like that there's a platonic 603 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.680 idea of what it should sound like. Maybe that doesn't 604 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.759 exist because the version that we have is going too fast. 605 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.759 It just sounds like it's it's maddening. The second verse 606 00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.599 they find more notes to put in the riff it 607 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:01.839 was just to begin with. And then the second time around, 608 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.559 after the elephant bass surlo, it's like, like what, it's 609 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:08.559 even more frantic than it was at the beginning. And 610 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.640 so many of the songs end crazily right, like those 611 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.759 fine like paranoid whales of Holy Wars, the solo wars 612 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:20.519 of Hangar eighteen mustain wailing like a murderous, unhinged sergeant 613 00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:24.160 take no prisoners, and you know, the everything about the music, 614 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:26.720 including the lead guitars is going absolutely off the deep end, 615 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.720 you know, shouting batch and that take no shit, the 616 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:35.440 JFK flip right that the total like nihilism, cynicism, Fuck you, 617 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.039 I'll get my kind of poisoned heart of America that 618 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.119 he delivers with don't ask what you can do for 619 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.880 your country, ask what your country can do for you. You know, 620 00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.440 Megadeth like obviously they're generally seen as like, you know, 621 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.920 the kind of political one of the Big Four, and 622 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.599 you know, sometimes more recently that has been to their detriment, 623 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.119 but you know, the kind of branding for want of 624 00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:55.519 a better word, like when you see Vic Rattlehead on 625 00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.119 an album cover, surrounded by a bunch of men in suits, 626 00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:00.279 I'm rubbing my hands together, you know, like you know, 627 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:02.799 he's in front of a destroyed un building like on 628 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:04.720 PCE Cells. It's kind of like a happy place. It's 629 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:08.960 just quintessential geopolitical thrash imagery. And this album, you know, 630 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.160 really congeals a lot of that into its most kind 631 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.799 of elemental, just sent mad with paranoia that kind of 632 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.079 like transcends the individual moment in which it was made politically, 633 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:20.440 you know, because you look down at and you're right. 634 00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:22.960 We've got a song about religious warfare in the Middle East, 635 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.559 Czech we've got a song about kind of military government conspiracies, 636 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.279 and Hangar eighteen Cooled Check They're always around a song 637 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.559 about kind of the threat of nuclear holocaust and of 638 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:35.960 global warming and environmental collapse, you know, check, and then 639 00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:38.240 you got a song about fucking alchemy and wizards because sure, 640 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:39.960 why not? Like you know, this is the stuff that 641 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:43.359 Dave Mustaane was built to embody, and it is. It's 642 00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:46.559 easy to go Dave Mustaye he can't sing. Megadeth would 643 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.200 be good if it weren't for his voice or whatever. 644 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:54.200 This is an absolutely dominating vocal performance on Rest in Peace, right, 645 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.400 And don't get it twisted. It's not a Ronnie James 646 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.000 Dio vocal dominated performance. That's not what I'm fucking saying. 647 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:01.880 But when he did still have range and he could 648 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:04.160 go into the highs, which is the thing that he can't, like, 649 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:07.039 he just can't tap into that register these days, it's gone. 650 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.079 But when he could do that, and he could do that, 651 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.279 one of the most magnetic front men in metal of 652 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.200 this age, I think, because on top of that, like 653 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:20.640 twhirlwind of riffs and patterns and stuff, he sounds like 654 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.880 a wailing siren on this record, and his ability to 655 00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:29.200 sound totally like manic, unhinged, but while also you know, 656 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:32.799 crafting vocal lines and patterns that like, you know, objectively right, 657 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.359 these have endured for decades. These songs are not good 658 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.480 in spite of Dave Mustain. They're often good because of 659 00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.799 Dave Mustain and the vicious charisma that he puts into 660 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:46.079 every line. There are so many pockets whereas the music 661 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.599 is like turning and changing direction, he puts the boot 662 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.000 in on a line and seals it. You know, fucking 663 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.440 don't look now to it or you know, take their 664 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.480 prisoners when the song is just whirling out of control, 665 00:31:58.720 --> 00:31:58.920 and he. 666 00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:03.279 Does like a playground five haven for those who walked 667 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:07.400 and soul. He comes in on this record like he 668 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.519 has been plugged into a wall socket for the previous 669 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.000 half an hour. Like it is delirious the energy he 670 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.960 puts in on it. I we've talked before about like 671 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.039 bands like Death Tones or the Smiths, whatever, where it's 672 00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:20.960 bands where you might love them, be I don't like 673 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.039 when bands cover them. Megadeath are one of the bands 674 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.400 that's most true of And it's exactly that thing you mentioned. 675 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:33.079 Dave Mustaine's wild, paranoid like magnetic nature just isn't captured 676 00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:36.359 by even vocalists who would get further in American idol. 677 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.160 Do you know what I mean? Like ones who can 678 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.119 hit all the notes and have the five octave ranges 679 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:43.160 or whatever. It doesn't capture those notes and the bits 680 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.599 that spring to mind on this record. And I don't 681 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:47.000 want to jump too far because I'm sure we'll get 682 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.359 to these songs, but the sort of bridge in tornadoes 683 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.559 as say, what's on mad Man? Yeah, it's like you 684 00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:55.839 could have got like Jeff Take to do that, it 685 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.640 wouldn't be nearly as good like and he is again 686 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:03.240 doing the finger think a better singer. Maybe my favorite bit, 687 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:05.359 one of my favorites on the whole record is the 688 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.799 I spread disease like a dog line or rusting peace 689 00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:14.039 bad load again, like you give that to anyone else, 690 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.279 And I'm not even saying someone like Ronnie James Deal 691 00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.039 or Bruce Dickinson, but give it to a Tom Ariah 692 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:21.440 or a James Hetfield in his pub I don't think 693 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.519 they're delivering that line is good because that I spread 694 00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:25.599 disease like a dog. When he says that you can, 695 00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.200 it's like you can hear the rabies in his mouth, 696 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.000 like yeah, it sounds like he's actually he's actually snarling 697 00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:34.279 at you. Like he's such a characterful singer without ever 698 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:36.839 feeling like he needs to. You know, he's not adopting 699 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.240 a role, he's not method acting. Dave Mustaine is just 700 00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:39.559 like that. 701 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.559 I mean, I mean that is it is like again 702 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.799 from like aspuch as again, I find his vocals can 703 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.039 just be so great. The charisma when he gets it right, 704 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:51.519 I think that is sort of one of those like 705 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:53.599 things you can't replicate. 706 00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:54.599 I mean that. 707 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:56.640 That's when it's that's where you said, like you can't 708 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.359 really cover Megan f because it just because he has 709 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.640 that one of a mind for better or worse kind 710 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.480 of charismatic vocal approach. 711 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.920 I mean, good luck not fucking especially if you're playing 712 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:08.159 guitar while doing those local parts. 713 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:10.360 Yeah, no, no, no, no, I think I get. I mean 714 00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:11.079 that's all fair. 715 00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:12.760 But I think on this album in particular, it is 716 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.719 where all lines up perfectly, where you do get those 717 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.360 like memorable, iconic kind of lines and again, like members 718 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.480 so calls the whole album, but those are them lines 719 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.679 that that that stick with you because he he does 720 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.559 like transform into something faireral when he has to, and 721 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:32.000 it is like just one of those like unique selling 722 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.320 points that only megad f can have on this record. 723 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.599 Yeah, we talked, we thought before about like that there 724 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.400 were people will go with weird more than I think 725 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:41.880 people give them credit for. Like I think we talked 726 00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:43.920 it when we did the Primus album Club. But you 727 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.440 can watch videos on YouTube people doing like reaction videos 728 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:51.519 to Rust in Peace or Tornado of Souls in particular, 729 00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:53.679 people who don't listen to rock and melt, and when 730 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.239 that vocal comes in, they do sort of initially pull 731 00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:59.039 a face like you know, like they've smelt something bad 732 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.320 that like, oh, that's a okay. By the time that 733 00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.159 the second verse and they've adjusted to it, it's fine. 734 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.400 Like I sometimes wonder if this because some people will say, 735 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:07.639 like oh, megge, that could be so much bigger if 736 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:11.360 it wasn't for Dave Mustain's vocals, Like I don't really 737 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:14.280 buy it because it doesn't seem to actually be. Again, 738 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.360 I take the points on that sound's not keen, but 739 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:21.320 I agree that it's not. Their popularity isn't in spite 740 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.920 of him generally. I know he's bad on the other records, 741 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.880 but at its best it is a selling point, Like 742 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:28.440 it looks how. 743 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.480 Many people cats these songs over the years, right, and 744 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.159 how many how many fans are there in legions singing 745 00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:35.480 along to these songs or any of the songs from 746 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.159 this period, go back to fucking wake Up Dead, you know, 747 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:41.519 mechanics anything, right, It's like he's he's clearly he's magnetic, 748 00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:43.360 you know. And I remember thinking, you know, the last 749 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.400 time they headline Bloodstock and like, you know, yeah, his voice, 750 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.280 he can't do that these days. But in terms of 751 00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:51.400 songs they put together, it's still like, you know, despite 752 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.039 them being one of the you know, the biggest metal 753 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.360 bands in the world or whatever, like it's underrated how 754 00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:59.159 many all timer melodic songs they have and you can, 755 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.719 you know, you get onto you are too Lemons and 756 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.639 your Trusts and stuff later. But here, even in Holy 757 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.960 Wars and Hangar eighteen, which are so frantic, the pockets 758 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:13.039 he finds for melody, he's like genuine unbelievable talent, and uh, 759 00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.960 you know, maybe the biggest example comes later in the record. 760 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.039 But you know, if we go back to the track list, 761 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.800 that crazy energy, isn't it. I thought, I'm amazed about 762 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.920 this record if you think about the major classics on it, 763 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.239 and the you know, the opening kind of pairing of 764 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:29.199 song particularly really jumps out. There are deeper cuts on 765 00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:33.519 this album where it gets crazier and more like methed 766 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:39.159 up than fucking Holy Wars. Five Magics is an absolute 767 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:40.440 freak song. 768 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.360 It's Almo like because again you've had these first things 769 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.639 that are like super tight and at it, and then 770 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.199 five Mates just kind of just like loosens up and 771 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:50.800 it gets kind of a bit weird and kind of 772 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:53.559 sprawls out in all these different directions as he's singing 773 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:57.679 about wizards and virgins and dragons, bit like it's all 774 00:36:57.719 --> 00:36:59.280 on there like it's it's it's one of those like 775 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.559 prop just like heavy text with heavy metal stuff, but 776 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:05.519 just this kind of like weird explorative way Meganef go 777 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:07.920 at it. It's it's super compelling. It's one of those 778 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.920 MEGAA songs. Again, I don't reach for like as it says, 779 00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.199 like you know, girls like I. Five Magics is really 780 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:19.199 fucking good. Actually, Like the hooks on this are really weird. 781 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.159 I know we've said that there are some eccentric moments 782 00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:22.280 on the preceding songs, but. 783 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:27.960 That mehster yeah, fair like that that being like the 784 00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.440 hook of the song, like the thing that comes up 785 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:32.199 like that, give me, how can you give me sorcery? 786 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.119 Like give me with Adrea, which is massive, by the way, 787 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.039 but then you're right, it turned into this really skin 788 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.719 crawling choice. It's like you're hearing him somehow like contorting, 789 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.880 shriveling up from this magic that he's tapped into or something, 790 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.519 and that is you know, all the fucking like progressive 791 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.360 metal stuff of the nineties, but it you know, Death 792 00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.920 or Dream Theater or whatever. The new bar that it 793 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.760 has to kind of clear is something like five magics 794 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.960 because the time signatures in it are fucking wild. The 795 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:03.920 build from like you know, starting completely autent and then 796 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.800 somehow them to like spider like crawl itself back up 797 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.960 from the depths with you know, the kind of bulk 798 00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:12.639 of the song when it gets there is basically like 799 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.199 a speed metal song, but the instrumental fucking intro for 800 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.119 like two minutes he's so sinister and alive at the 801 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:21.760 same time and so strange. And then Poison with the cure. 802 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.800 I think if I'm probably right in saying it's probably 803 00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.880 the fastest song in the negative cannon like in terms 804 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.559 of those like you know, thousand fingered kind of speed 805 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:34.159 metal threat board runs where you go, how is that 806 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:36.400 a riff that you have written? Poison with the Cure 807 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.960 sounds like it comes from the surface of the sun. 808 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:42.239 Like if you don't smile at that rift booting off, 809 00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.760 you are hopeless, because you know the little bass intro 810 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:47.480 that you just sang, the instrument will kind of fucking 811 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:49.719 around parts they do to introduce songs like that. They're 812 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.199 just so like perfect every time, Like you don't know 813 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.199 how they come up with those parts in relation to 814 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:55.840 the rest of the song, but it would not work 815 00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.559 the same without it. But then the speed, the peer 816 00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:03.440 speed that here ups into is like absolutely boildery. 817 00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.199 Yeah, And I think every song on this record is 818 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.800 notable and earns its place, And I think Poison was 819 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.760 the cure on paper. You think, is it the more basic, 820 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.840 straightforward of the songs here, Like, is it the one 821 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.079 that's most relatable to where they were beforehand? Maybe? But 822 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:23.599 the fact it's so technical and so fast means that 823 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.320 if it is a song more like I say, more 824 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.559 relatable to what they were doing earlier, it's so much 825 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:33.079 more of a heightened version of it. Yeah, Basically every 826 00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:38.159 technical and compositional way that it could only fit on 827 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.360 a rust in peace like this would sound insane on 828 00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.320 any preceding Megadeth record purely by virtue of being that 829 00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:46.239 much more on ten M. 830 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:49.400 Yeah, and I love that, like the weird, sauntering, quirky 831 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:51.360 groove stuff on this as well, Like you know, we 832 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.800 mentioned the stuff you're talking about in Holy Wars and 833 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.079 that sort of like perverse mocking skip that it has, 834 00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:59.440 but like Lucretia after that just fucked up little goblin laugh. 835 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.000 It's you know, it's the slowest song and that one 836 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.239 doesn't go crazy speed, but the sheer eccentricity that comes 837 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.920 out of them doing a mid pace riff like that, 838 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.320 like no one would do that. Feel like that like them, 839 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.639 Like what the hell even is that? Even the fucking 840 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:18.360 the little tail end bump thing they do for media rounding, 841 00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:19.639 it's like even on a song like that and then 842 00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:23.840 completely out on a limb and I am like, I miss, 843 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.880 you know, a living organism of a band there, Like 844 00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:30.440 the way Nick Menz's fluid bouncing rhythms in like perfect 845 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.559 lockstep with Ellison's base on a groove riff like that. 846 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:35.480 It kind of like bubbles this record in a way 847 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.280 that like you know, certainly thrash metal today generally doesn't 848 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:40.519 really It's like a next level chemistry on this record. 849 00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:45.079 You said, like they're like Lucretia. That song bounces exactly. 850 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.079 It's really fun, it's it's weird, and it was just 851 00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:50.440 like kind of like I think it's been more like 852 00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.159 a sort of a major key melody to it, like 853 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:54.639 the sort of the wrists and that, but like the 854 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:56.199 way that song was kind of just looking at this 855 00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.039 like weird bouncing groove and like today's vocal on that 856 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.599 song is hilariously mental times like. 857 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.280 The Ends of Lights where you just go, that's a 858 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:07.960 bit like those sort of things like that. I'm like, 859 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:10.559 this shouldn't work, but it does. 860 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:12.920 It was like I feel like this is something where 861 00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:14.800 like me as a mega fact, I should be ripping 862 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:16.639 this this sort of vocal force to pieces as kind 863 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.599 of like stupid and knaugh but I'm like, no, like 864 00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:21.639 when you actually are like just locked into it and 865 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:23.599 the song is kind of like do all this kind 866 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:25.239 of weird playful stuff on it and so of just 867 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.320 being like a bouncing, fun heavy metal song, it all 868 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.159 kind of just like synergizes together to be something like 869 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:33.599 really great. And again, like I always kind of like 870 00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.000 doing things to be like man album tracks, you know, 871 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.000 like six songs in on Mega Piece, they're as good 872 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:40.440 as a single. This could be a single and you'd 873 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.159 be like, it's one of the greatest metal singles of 874 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:43.320 like the nineties. 875 00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:48.280 You should expect that because this is a perfect big 876 00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:51.159 surprise that tracks from Rusted Piece are good. Is I 877 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.199 mean the ending pair right, you know, going into Rusting 878 00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:58.039 Piece Polaris, which has again that kind of the stomping 879 00:41:58.159 --> 00:41:59.719 groove that when. 880 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:00.880 Negative that on this record. 881 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.519 It's not like you know Pantera or you know Metallica 882 00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:06.159 or you know what they themselves start doing on like 883 00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:08.119 a Symphony's Destruction or something that kind of four to 884 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:10.559 four grinder thing. When they go midpace, it's like being 885 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:13.159 like mugged by an octopus or something like. There's something 886 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:17.239 mocking and kind of sardonic just about the feel of 887 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:17.719 a riff like. 888 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.119 That Dan Dan a little earlier. 889 00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:24.039 It's like, how like in the pocket and yet simultaneously 890 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:27.320 like live wire loose cannon. It is it's like a 891 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.519 like a show of intimidation from a soldier who is 892 00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:31.960 trying really hard to not just pull his gun out 893 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:34.639 and shoot you. Like it's really genuinely sinister when it 894 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:39.000 holds back and then Dawn Patrol. Is it intro to it? God, 895 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:41.039 I love that that's there, because that is the bit 896 00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:45.039 that I imagine must wind up so many cowards who think 897 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.039 Megadeth are rubbish, because that's the bit that you know, 898 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.199 I haven't pulled anyone about this, but if there's someone 899 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:51.519 out there going rest in pieces a bit shit, actually, 900 00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:55.199 that's probably the bit I imagine there thinking. But that 901 00:42:55.760 --> 00:43:01.559 prowling Ellafson baseline well mustain. Literally he creaks in his 902 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:06.599 voice like a diseased devolution of a human reporting from 903 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:08.880 you know, the burned up end of the world. 904 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:12.360 Now I can only laugh as I read our and then. 905 00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:16.119 The final noises he makes are literally squeaking like rats 906 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.400 that you can imagine like crawling over consuming his body 907 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.039 for the final second it fucking come on, like it's 908 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:27.320 so just the eccentricity, the idiosyncrasy, the invention of it 909 00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:28.960 is like beyond. 910 00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.079 It's This was the one where for a long time 911 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:34.440 I struggle with it, even though even when I was 912 00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:36.639 loving this record, when I was like eight or nine 913 00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.159 hearing it for the first time, but I couldn't get 914 00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:40.840 my head around Dawn and Patrol, and it really bothered 915 00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:42.840 me because it's like it's less than two minutes, and 916 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.519 I was like, this is so weird, and now I 917 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.119 mean obviously I love it, Like I kind of didn't 918 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:54.760 appreciate what a clever, interesting bit of world building it was. Yeah, Megadeth, well, 919 00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.920 they were always the most eccentric and odd ball of 920 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.400 the Big four, and when they really flex that, I 921 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:03.840 think that thing you're saying where some people might go 922 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:06.800 is rust and piece actually that good. I think that's 923 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.880 the thing that those people miss out on, Like they 924 00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:13.840 kind of think that everything is It's it's funny because 925 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.519 they play it so straight and totally serious. But there's 926 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.280 loads of stuff on this record that you kind of 927 00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.159 wonder if they are winking at you. I mean, like 928 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.079 that that this is so strange. You wonder do they 929 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:27.880 know how strangeness is or are they are they that 930 00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:29.760 warped as an other group of guys. 931 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.239 I mean, it's it's the kind of stuff that you 932 00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.360 don't get on, you know, the later albums that are 933 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:35.719 kind of in this sort of you know, the big 934 00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.639 thrash masspe type albums like Imagine if the Blackening the 935 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:41.719 bit like like a Dawn Patrol, Like it's the kind 936 00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:43.039 of it is a thing that has been sort of 937 00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:48.239 lost a little bit because no one has the oddball 938 00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:51.199 like you know again or like are they winking or 939 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:53.760 like what is just like spitting. 940 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:56.320 Down on you. It's just the personality negative have is. 941 00:44:56.719 --> 00:45:00.199 So it's really encapsulated in like I think that one 942 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.760 two of that into Resting Piece Polaris, like you were saying, it's. 943 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.679 So funny because it's like sandwiched in between you know, 944 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:11.280 Tornado of Souls and Rust plast But I'm like, I'm like, 945 00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:12.760 I've looked I should hate on Control. 946 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:14.400 I feel like I should look at it as like 947 00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:16.840 the dud on the album. 948 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:18.280 But it is kind of just like this, like it's 949 00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:21.400 not what I like listen to outside of the basically 950 00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:23.559 that's thing is like, and that's the thing. That's why 951 00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:25.199 I'm like, I don't see what the problem with it 952 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:28.599 is because it's kind of just like this weirdo intro 953 00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.880 to the album's final track, and it is kind of 954 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:34.159 like weird interesting And then you say, you get that 955 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.599 opening drum film on Piece and you're gonna go like, yeah, 956 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.079 fuck it, like like yeah, I know. 957 00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:43.239 That Rust and Piece Plas isn't as unusual musically, like people, 958 00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:45.360 No one goes out that song's a bit weird, but 959 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:51.199 it's a song from the perspective of a nuclear bomb, Like, yeah, 960 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:54.679 that is a weird idea, and it would take a 961 00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:57.960 lot to sell it. And again, Dave Mustain is quite 962 00:45:58.000 --> 00:45:59.719 the character in his own right where he does not 963 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.639 need to try and capsulate the character of something else. 964 00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:06.079 But because Megadeth are so eccentric, and because Dave isn't 965 00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.000 a shrinking Violet, and you know, when they're all on 966 00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:12.679 cocaine's probably even less for a shrinking violet, it totally 967 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.800 sells it. And as a way of kind of kind 968 00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:21.760 of capturing the general theme of the record, it's it's 969 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:24.199 the weirdest way they could have done it, and also 970 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:29.239 the most suitable for Megadeth at this point in their career. 971 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.199 I think absolutely got to go back to a song 972 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.199 I've obviously left till till last. All of these things 973 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:40.840 about technicality meeting you know, feel and songwriting chops and 974 00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:44.760 actually like dynamite use of melody on top of bewilderingly 975 00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:49.000 tightly packed in arrangements, tornehev Souls quite simply takes the 976 00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:52.800 piss with how perfect it is and It's kind of 977 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:54.519 a one of a kind song, right, almost in all 978 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.480 the thrashmallow because this is pre black album right, and 979 00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:01.159 this is not a black album hype song in a 980 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:03.239 way that you know, even Megadeth would start adopting that 981 00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:05.719 kind of mind sight from a manzet from Countain to distinction, 982 00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.920 Tornado of Souls is almost like a I had the 983 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.559 thought today. It's almost like a view of like, what 984 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:17.159 is a hypermlogic perfectly made for radio thrash metal song 985 00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:20.039 in a pre black album world. It's like a type 986 00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.159 species for an alternate timeline that didn't come to be. 987 00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.360 And even Metallica up to nineteen ninety I don't think 988 00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:31.119 had a song as melodically slick as Tornado of Souls is, 989 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:33.280 like they were doing like one in Sanitarium. These kind 990 00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:35.920 of like Wagnerian songs, but Tornado of Souls. You know, 991 00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:37.639 Megadeth be in the band where everyone says the singer 992 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:41.199 can't sing, they're the first to absolutely perfect, Well, here's 993 00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:44.599 just a melodically perfect sing along hit that still in 994 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:48.559 a like pre black album world, happens to be a 995 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:52.199 windstorm of like you know, tight technical thrash riffs. Also 996 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.800 and you know, maybe it is because it's basically the 997 00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:57.400 only song in the world that can scratch the itch 998 00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:59.599 that I want scratched from Tornado of Souls. 999 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:00.880 Yeah, which you. 1000 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:02.599 Could also in fair to say about Holy Wars or 1001 00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:04.840 Hangar eighteen or whatever, because E's only so unique. But 1002 00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.639 this is just one of those like crack songs, just 1003 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:11.360 absolutely one in a million. How on this album that's 1004 00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:14.360 already like sky high quality the whole way? How did 1005 00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.360 they write a song this good? It blows my mind. 1006 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:20.440 It's the only thing you were saying about it being 1007 00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:23.440 a window into where thrash could have gone in a 1008 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.920 mainstream sense. It's maybe the only song which you could 1009 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.480 sequence in a playlist next to Kickstart My Heart and 1010 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:35.239 War Ensemble, you know what I mean. It's fired up, 1011 00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:39.639 it's melodic, it's still really aggressive in its playing. Yeah, 1012 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:44.559 there are so many sick riffs which welcome mosh bits, 1013 00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.840 but also these sky high singalongus. I feel like recently 1014 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.960 we've talked quite a lot about those ascension metal songs 1015 00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.199 where they don't just define the genre there that you're 1016 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:55.840 listening to it and you feel like it's some sort 1017 00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.000 of ballderline religious as religiously like Master of Puppets, how 1018 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:03.039 be their name Warpigs. I think this album has two 1019 00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.880 in Holy Wars and Tornado of Souls, and this is 1020 00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.159 the better of the two. I don't think it's an 1021 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:13.400 exaggeration to say it's one of the best songs ever 1022 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:14.679 made in any style. 1023 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:18.679 No, it's not, because every vocal melody is completely on point, 1024 00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.719 even still, you know, charged with this sort of like 1025 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.519 manic nervous energy, like how deranged and shrill Dave is 1026 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.599 still going, but the chorus manages to have some kind 1027 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.599 of like stature and grandeur out of that even while 1028 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:35.400 he's putting that like high pitch Wayland kind of madness 1029 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:39.480 into it simultaneously, it's actually convincingly quite emotional. That's a 1030 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.800 song about relationships, bizarrely on this ucking record, but this 1031 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:48.480 arrangement of it where this is ambitious in structure, but 1032 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:51.159 everything is also totally in place, Like you want a 1033 00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:54.360 perfect example of just like you know, bring the chorus 1034 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:56.639 in drum fill. Look what Nick Menzer does for that 1035 00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.440 first chorus, what he does for the fucking the break 1036 00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:03.039 section in the middle again the elevation trick. Like keep 1037 00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:05.400 going on about this album of like songs that just 1038 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:09.000 somehow continuously up the intensity and make it feel kind 1039 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.159 of desperate when they hit that with the kind of 1040 00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:13.599 the land of Uppertoon early that part you were talking 1041 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:17.360 about earlier? Does that and how do they peak that momentum? 1042 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.199 They've built the greatest solo that certainly Marty Freeman ever 1043 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.159 puts the tape which might be in contention, you know, 1044 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.440 next to Hammett's one in the Thing That Should Not 1045 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:28.679 Be or whatever whatever personal contender you might want to 1046 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.239 mention for the greatest guitar solo in metal. 1047 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:37.440 I feel like the Tornado so solo it's end. It's 1048 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:39.599 not just entered the panel like the great metal solos, 1049 00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:44.239 It's entered that panthon of things like free Bird, where 1050 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:48.159 it's not a remote exaggeration to say that I can't 1051 00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:52.039 think of maybe I'm sort of like one by Metallica 1052 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:56.000 or something like oh the Painkiller solo even then not 1053 00:50:56.039 --> 00:51:00.199 really where it's ascended its genre and entered that thing 1054 00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:03.519 of these are just the great guitar solos, do you 1055 00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:08.920 know what I mean? I still I still find this 1056 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:12.159 bit jaw dropping on a on a record which is 1057 00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:13.880 sequenced in such a way where it feels you're doing 1058 00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:18.800 that continuously. This might be the like your your floating 1059 00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:19.840 moment on the record. 1060 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.440 It's just complete, like other worldly god mode. It feels 1061 00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:26.599 about a minute long, but every single like note in 1062 00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:28.920 it and every direction it goes in is exactly the 1063 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:32.599 right one to make it effortlessly catchy and singable despite 1064 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:33.760 how complicated it is. 1065 00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:35.920 Like I'm like, for any any fucking. 1066 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:37.639 Legendary guitarist you want to mention, I don't care. They've 1067 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.280 probably never had an individual moment of brilliance as good 1068 00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:43.239 as that, Like Marty Freeman has earned complimentary boxes of 1069 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:46.039 Captain Crunch for life because of that fucking thing. 1070 00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:48.280 Yeah, pretty good, No, I mean. 1071 00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:51.480 The one so is what it kind of reminds me 1072 00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:53.480 is where it's kind of all built that moment where 1073 00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:56.320 it does all of one like erupts on that solo. 1074 00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:59.599 In particular, the soul feels that similar kind of like 1075 00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.800 you truly ascended to the highest peak and you're kind 1076 00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.599 of now just like you are blasting off into a 1077 00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.880 galaxy that no one has ever been to before. I mean, 1078 00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.079 like about the song is like before, it's like chunkier 1079 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.360 and meaner then, like someone associate with Megan, I was 1080 00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.440 kind of think of like they're quite wiry and techy. 1081 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:19.880 This song is like big and it has got that 1082 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:20.440 kind of like. 1083 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.079 Hic capacity to it, which is when you get this 1084 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:26.719 like insane kind of like technical guitar sollow as the 1085 00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:29.480 kind of the payoff rather than like a big single 1086 00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:31.239 bit which again it's got a really good chorus and 1087 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:33.719 that post chorus bit with the whole like who's to say, 1088 00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:35.199 what's for me to say? 1089 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:36.159 Like all that sort of stuff. 1090 00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:39.119 It's huge, but it is that that that again and 1091 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:41.440 then ausly that feels like that should be the payoff moment, 1092 00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.480 but it is. It's just that fucking solo like just 1093 00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:47.159 being the best of its kind. 1094 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:50.280 And it's it's it's maybe the best. I think it's 1095 00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:52.679 it's up there with the best, regardless of how you 1096 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:56.039 measure what makes a great solo, because there's that sort 1097 00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:59.360 of post Nirvana thing where people seem to say they 1098 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:02.559 don't like solo or one thing that bothers me. People 1099 00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:04.280 say things like I like a tarso is when they 1100 00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:06.360 serve the song as if other people go like, no, 1101 00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:07.840 I like it when it doesn't serve the song as 1102 00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:11.639 I like it. But that's just me Like this solo 1103 00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:15.239 it it does serve the song obviously, like the song 1104 00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:19.079 is so much better for it, but also technically it 1105 00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:21.679 is just so much fun to listen to. It's dazzling, 1106 00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:23.920 and I think that's I don't want to say lost 1107 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:25.639 art for them because obviously people there's there's a lot 1108 00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:28.960 of shredding, and there's that sort of there's like the 1109 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.119 gent wave of the shred arsen, which is a different 1110 00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.840 kind of thing, but there is something to be said 1111 00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:35.840 about listening to a guitar song and going, I don't 1112 00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.880 know how they're doing that, Like how is he making 1113 00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.559 that noise? And if you can, you know, meet those 1114 00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:46.519 two worlds where it's dazzling to listen to while also 1115 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.960 being melodically satisfying, you're on to winner and this is 1116 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.679 one of the best, Like however where you slice it? 1117 00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:55.039 Yeah, And I still don't know if the solo in 1118 00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:57.639 the song is just as good and jaw dropping again 1119 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:00.800 as the arrangement of the riffs around it, because the 1120 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:03.800 evolution of the rhythms, the different kind of levels of 1121 00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:05.840 intensity with the drums, the bit arthursilo when he just 1122 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:09.559 starts doing the like just filling in every single bit 1123 00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:12.079 of space with bas and snare hits, the one riff 1124 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.159 after that before the final speed ramp verse. 1125 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:15.519 But it is. 1126 00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:18.639 What the fuck is that? 1127 00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.840 It's like extreme of consciousness, every single brilliant idea they 1128 00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:26.639 had somehow locked into like a perfect skeleton of a 1129 00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:30.400 melodic metal banger. It's another plane of brilliance that song, 1130 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.159 and then again after that you've still got you know, 1131 00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:34.800 rusting peace polarises. I spread as these like a dog 1132 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:38.400 discharge my payload, which is an incredible like Freudian death 1133 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:41.199 lust kind of innuendo as well from the perspective of 1134 00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:44.559 a nuclear warhead. I don't know if you know thrash 1135 00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:48.159 or speed metal has ever been kind of more spitefully 1136 00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:52.760 mockingly joyful than this, Like Megadeth are fun in a 1137 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.360 way that you know Metallica or Slayer aren't, or you know, 1138 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:57.599 Anthrax are fun in a kind of like dorkier, you know, 1139 00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:01.800 cargo short sort of way. Megadeth are sadistically playful, and 1140 00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:04.400 they are like blackly laughing all the way to the 1141 00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:08.360 end of humanity. And those crazy like spider fingered speed rifts, 1142 00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:10.599 they're fucking fun to listen to, Like they're a hoop, 1143 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:14.519 but they're also cruel and like coughing up a lung 1144 00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:15.599 full of black smokers. 1145 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:16.239 They go through it. 1146 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:21.800 And this record just how staggeringly meticulously composed it is, 1147 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:23.840 and how state of the eye is where every song 1148 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.960 is a juggernall, but it's never like too sanded down 1149 00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:29.519 or like too serious to kind of stop that like 1150 00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:33.000 grinning black soul glinting its teeth back at you think 1151 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.960 that Megaeth have, Like this is a record that just 1152 00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:38.159 never for an instant stopped exciting me since I was 1153 00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:38.960 thirteen years old. 1154 00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:44.480 Yeah, even if you don't like this band, I find 1155 00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:46.440 it hard to believe that if you like mel you 1156 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.079 could listen to this and not recognize it as a masterpiece. 1157 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.239 It's one of those in the things that master's raining 1158 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:56.519 but master puppets. As great as it is, I don't 1159 00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:58.719 listen to it all that often these days, Like I 1160 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.480 might go back very marvel at it, but it's not 1161 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:03.519 something that I find myself getting all that addicted to 1162 00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:09.400 rusting pieces. I've listened to it so much this week, 1163 00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:11.199 even though I didn't need to. I could have sat 1164 00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:13.440 down and done my notes without listening to a second 1165 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:16.320 of it. And I've listened to it four or five times. 1166 00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:18.760 I think there is that thing that separates the classic 1167 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:22.079 records where something like Dark Side of the Moon right 1168 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.400 is incredible, but I don't listen to it all that often, 1169 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:28.320 but something like Rumors I will put on very frequent 1170 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.960 because it's just it's a joy to listen to. On 1171 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:34.480 the metal end of things, this album still scratches that 1172 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.119 itch and still g's me up in the way they 1173 00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:39.639 did when I was, you know, eight nine ten, like 1174 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:41.480 discovering metal for the first time, this being one of 1175 00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:46.159 the first metal records I discovered it that that sort 1176 00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:52.039 of mad thrill hasn't dulled an iota. And like I said, 1177 00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:55.840 I've listened to it hundreds of times, and I still 1178 00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.320 find myself going back and getting excited by the same 1179 00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:00.960 moments again and again and again. I mean, there's just 1180 00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:03.079 there's one some of that just has an aw to 1181 00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:06.920 it that that makes it feel like unique and like 1182 00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:09.639 that only MegaDEF at this moment in time, with this 1183 00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:13.440 lineup could could create like Slayer. In fact, none of the 1184 00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.599 other big bour bands could actually do what MegaDEF have 1185 00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:18.719 done here and again, like one of you've gotta take 1186 00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:21.679 Big Day for who he is like, you're gonna just 1187 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:24.039 take him what he is as a vocalist and if 1188 00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:26.840 you can a vocalist limits all that. And when you 1189 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:28.800 do that, like all the comers have, man, they do 1190 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:31.400 kind of like for the forty odd minutes this amazon, 1191 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.480 all of my problems with Dave Mustain and MegaDEF and 1192 00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:38.159 all that they do just completely disappear. 1193 00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:41.400 And I'm kind of in fraued by the manager just 1194 00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.760 run through that final like riff right near the end 1195 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:47.719 of the recipes. Plus like we're like you're saying, like 1196 00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:50.800 a riff is good dying moments of your record, and 1197 00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:56.280 you're kind of going, yeah, we could have. 1198 00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:58.239 Gone through this entire chat without mentioning that riff. 1199 00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:00.760 I wanted to make sure that I was like, how 1200 00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:04.239 I need to mention that it was what a fucking 1201 00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:08.760 flex Like it's so sick and again like like that's it. 1202 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:10.840 It's just like the aura to this album. Again, I 1203 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:12.480 don't listen to this album nearly as much as you two, 1204 00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:14.639 just like because how I'm listening going, but I'm like, 1205 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:18.159 maybe maybe I have been wrong in my ways for 1206 00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:20.280 like and again it's every time I had planets and 1207 00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:21.000 and go like yeah. 1208 00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:24.159 You're wrong, Sam, and then I'll I'm like Megan Foo 1209 00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:27.719 and I'm like, no, Sam, you're wrong. 1210 00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:30.280 We're actually really fucking good at one point in time, 1211 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:32.760 and this album is just the proof that, like, yeah, 1212 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:34.239 like fucking classic in it. 1213 00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.360 Yeah, it's worth pointing out that, aside from maybe the 1214 00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:39.239 anarchy in the UK cover, which I still sort of 1215 00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:40.679 like in a kitch sort of way, I don't think 1216 00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:42.440 they really put her foot wrong for the first like 1217 00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.199 fifteen years of their career, and then they've still got fucking, 1218 00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:48.320 you know, banger after banger coming through in those sort 1219 00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:50.920 of you know, two thousands, or we get to cryptic writings, 1220 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:52.599 you got fucking trust and she will, like you know, 1221 00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.480 Meganeth isolated both which a brilliance is not isolated. 1222 00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:57.960 Megadeth were brilliant. 1223 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.519 This is the peak of that brilliant it is it 1224 00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:03.920 speaks for itself kind of how much of a touchstone 1225 00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:06.440 for just kind of like technical aggressive metal music that 1226 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.079 is going forward. It's kind of redundant to say so. 1227 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:10.360 I'm almost more drawn to how one of the kind 1228 00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.760 it is, like it is the artistic peak of this 1229 00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:17.199 kind of like intensely million notes a minute thrash metal 1230 00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:20.039 right before the Black Album changed the court of that 1231 00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:20.719 genre forever. 1232 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:21.000 Right. 1233 00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:24.000 It's the only album like this that this classic lineup 1234 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:26.599 of Megadeth actually makes. You've got forty minutes of it 1235 00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:29.480 and that's it. But we're still fucking talking about it 1236 00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.800 because thirty five years on, we clearly cannot get enough 1237 00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:35.920 of those forty minutes. So there is an hour on 1238 00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:39.519 Rusting Piece, one of the fucking sickest things anyone's ever made. 1239 00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:41.039 It was about time we gave it that hour. 1240 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:41.880 Let's move on. 1241 00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:44.719 We've got three more album clubs to go, and speaking 1242 00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:50.000 of intense hours, Killing Jokes two thousand and three, self titled, 1243 00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:51.480 is where we go next. They're one of those funny 1244 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:54.679 bands with two self titled records. Their first their nineteen 1245 00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:59.000 eighty debut album, also you know, absolute classic, probably their 1246 00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:02.320 most I don't know, icon acclaimed record. This one, then, 1247 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:04.760 is often known as Killing Joke two thousand and three, 1248 01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:08.920 and obviously with those dates, we're going like more than 1249 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.280 two decades into the career of Killing Joke here. It's 1250 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:15.079 a band who dominated their field for forty years. Basically, 1251 01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:17.400 let's touch based on Killing Joke a little bit first, 1252 01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:19.840 because there are I think there's basically two groups of 1253 01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:21.679 people out there in relation to them. There are those 1254 01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.960 who maybe find them and their large catalog and their 1255 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.159 legacy or whatever quite daunting to get into, you know, 1256 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:30.199 like where do you start. I think, despite them being 1257 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:33.679 like one of the most iconic and influential bands of 1258 01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:35.920 all time, we're still talking about almost something of a 1259 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:37.920 cult band, where like a lot of listeners might not 1260 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:41.079 really have actually yet had their full Killing Jock expirits. 1261 01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:43.840 And then there are those who you know rightly hold 1262 01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.639 them to be simply one of the standard bearers of 1263 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:47.960 everything it means to be a band. 1264 01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:51.880 Elliott's. We've never spoken by Killing Joke before in this capacity, 1265 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:52.440 but the. 1266 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:56.280 Circles where we generally kind of you know, crossover, Killing 1267 01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:59.239 Joke are like a practically biblical event of a band. 1268 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:01.440 And you know, you're reaction to me whipping this album 1269 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:02.880 at a couple of weeks ago told me everything that 1270 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:03.360 I need to know. 1271 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.679 Yeah, I mean, it took me a long time to 1272 01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.679 get into Killing Joke, like probably the best part of 1273 01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:12.400 a decade before I really started to appreciate them. And 1274 01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:15.519 it's like you say, when I started getting into extreme 1275 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:18.199 and experimental music, they were one of those bands, which 1276 01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:22.639 it was endlessly referenced. Every cool band loves Killing Joke, 1277 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:25.880 whether it's Faith No More or Napalm Death or Swans 1278 01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:28.639 or whoever, like, they all point to Killing Joke as 1279 01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:31.559 like the thing that put them on their path, and 1280 01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:34.800 they would talk I was like the heaviest, nastiest, most 1281 01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:38.079 oppressive sound ever made. And I went and listened to 1282 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:39.800 the debut, and this is when I was listening to 1283 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:43.119 things like worm Rot and like I don't know, you know, 1284 01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:46.559 like total fucking destruction stuff like that. And I didn't 1285 01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:49.519 understand at the time because it wasn't there were no 1286 01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:53.519 there wasn't harsh vocals, there wasn't blast beats, there were 1287 01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:57.239 fairly linear song structures by comparison. I kind of didn't 1288 01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:00.840 understand what it was I was meant to find so 1289 01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.719 frightening and oppressive about Killing Joke. And it was only 1290 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:07.079 years later that I went back and I was just 1291 01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:13.440 staggered by how stark and nasty and frightening that first 1292 01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:16.599 record still sounds. But I'm glad this is the one 1293 01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:19.800 we're doing, because this is the album that when I 1294 01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:22.840 started going through the records, fella, the one that fulfilled 1295 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:24.800 the promise that had been made to me in the 1296 01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:29.719 first place about what a nasty, horrific, loud, punishing band 1297 01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:33.480 they were. This album, I think more than any others, 1298 01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:37.440 including that at first self titled is the is the 1299 01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:39.719 sound that was set up for me? 1300 01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:41.840 Yeah, funny because you say that about you know, they're 1301 01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:43.599 being terrifying and apocalyptic and one of the things what 1302 01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:44.960 they are, and we're going to say that a lot 1303 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:46.880 through this. I also won of the great things about 1304 01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:48.639 Killing Joke is that that's just one side. 1305 01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:49.159 Of their personality. 1306 01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:51.920 Essentially, they are broader than that and they cover more 1307 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:54.400 than that. And I got into Killing Joke it was like, basically, 1308 01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:57.320 you know, I heard you know, Metallica's cover of The Weight, 1309 01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:00.239 and I went and heard that first record, and almost 1310 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:03.719 at the exact same time, the Absolute Descent album came out, 1311 01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:05.480 which is fucking incredible, one of the best, one of 1312 01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:07.639 my favorites, and I had these two records are thirty 1313 01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:09.840 years apart, and I was like, these obviously thirty year 1314 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:11.639 a part, they sound different, but they're both amazing. What 1315 01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:13.400 the fuck this band are the best? And then you know, 1316 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:14.840 from there on I just had to go and find 1317 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.159 everything else. Sam how many Killing Your albums? 1318 01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:17.519 Have you heard? 1319 01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:20.400 So The first Killing Jack album I heard was Absolute 1320 01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.760 Descent in twenty ten because I was like getting into like, oh, 1321 01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:25.480 you know, I was coming into my music and it 1322 01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:27.159 was kind of like, oh, Killing Joke back after like 1323 01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:28.800 what four years of a new album, and so I 1324 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:30.840 checked out because some people are about it, hated it, 1325 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:38.119 completely bounced off you've been in life, like, we'll get 1326 01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:42.039 into it. Remember me in two thousand and show like 1327 01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.239 plant yourself into a person who's listening to metalcore and 1328 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:48.159 Michael Romance. Of course I'm going to bounce off Absolute 1329 01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:48.639 Descend by. 1330 01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:53.360 Killing Joke eventually, like and then I kind of like 1331 01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:56.199 a couple years, I was like I quite a dull. 1332 01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:59.159 Quite recently, I kind of just like came and went 1333 01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:04.320 mi distance, like Killing Joe's kind of like I heard 1334 01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.480 like bits fit, you know, and I was like, okay, cool, 1335 01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:08.480 there there is more, There's something there's and but there 1336 01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:10.599 was just so much I know where's going. I've kind 1337 01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:12.360 of checked in some of like the more the eighties stuff, 1338 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:16.119 like the really poppy stuff in the eighties, and I'm 1339 01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:19.599 like all in on that now obviously, like nighttime, I 1340 01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:22.320 fucking I think the album is like, yeah, ten out 1341 01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:25.239 of ten, like, and I've kind of like, well, like 1342 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:28.519 I will work my way through the different eras of 1343 01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.639 Killing Joke over time, because again, they've got what like 1344 01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:34.360 nearly twenty odd albums, so I don't come in the 1345 01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:36.239 exact amount. It's a lot of albums to get through, 1346 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:40.559 but like, I love that kind of shimmering eighties gothic 1347 01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.679 dark post punk stuff that that's fucking amazing, and I've 1348 01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:46.880 come back around on absolute descent, like that album is 1349 01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:50.440 very good. I'd not listened to Killing Joke two thousand 1350 01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:52.960 and three, so this was kind of was like, okay, 1351 01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:55.239 so what like you know, this was something like what 1352 01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:58.119 eight years or so something like that between albums, and 1353 01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:01.119 it like yeah, between the one before, so I know 1354 01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:04.280 there was like a big gap, and this is kind 1355 01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:07.599 of like a real turning point in their sort of sound. 1356 01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:09.400 So I was kind of curious to how that all 1357 01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:12.119 lines up, and their headplan was like fucking hell, this 1358 01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:17.239 album like all that apocalyptic, most heavy, most nightmarish dark 1359 01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:19.559 bands and things. Again, this is where I find you 1360 01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:21.800 just so confusing, because like they are that they aren't 1361 01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:23.360 that depending on where. 1362 01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:23.719 You dip in with them. 1363 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:26.039 But this is I feel like this almost must be 1364 01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:28.559 like the embodiment of that side of killing jokes. 1365 01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:31.119 Yeah, so you're killing joke, as said, were all the 1366 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:33.480 roosts for more than forty fucking years. You know, they 1367 01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:34.760 are the band who, you know, in the last kind 1368 01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:38.840 of year or two since Jordie Walker died, and you know, 1369 01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:41.159 they've not like made a statement that they're going to 1370 01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:42.840 retire or anything like that. But we think we just 1371 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:44.599 all just sort of like, you know, assume it to 1372 01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:47.199 some degree that that's kind of it, or at least 1373 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:49.599 the end of something. And I find myself just going, 1374 01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:51.119 oh God, I can't believe we live in a world 1375 01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:55.119 without killing joke in it now, Like that this band 1376 01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:59.199 who have so many you know, kind of classic albums 1377 01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:01.880 and album club cans in them from all different decades, 1378 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:04.480 this could be one of many killing joke album clubs. 1379 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:06.480 You know. I was close to throwing absolute descent because 1380 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:08.800 I've a real soft spot personally for that one. But 1381 01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:11.840 I think at the moment, there's just something about this 1382 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:14.079 two thousand and three self Tattled album that just keeps 1383 01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:16.239 kind of chiming and feeling like it's the right one 1384 01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.440 to do and that's something is anger, because Killing Joke 1385 01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:23.039 are many things. More often than not, they're heavy, sometimes 1386 01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:26.199 they're you know, again much more pretty. But I don't 1387 01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:28.679 know if they've ever felt like they were powered by 1388 01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:34.320 pure seething anger more than on this record. And it's 1389 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:38.719 not even quite really representative to call Killing Joke a 1390 01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:42.880 like socially or politically conscious band, because like that they are. 1391 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:45.239 But it's again, it's larger than that. Everything they do 1392 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:47.519 is somehow larger than the base thing you would call it. 1393 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:50.880 There is so much intellectually involved with the kind of 1394 01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:53.519 the content of Killing Joke music and where it comes 1395 01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:55.679 from that is like probably beyond me. Like, I don't 1396 01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:57.920 know if there's anyone in rock music who I would 1397 01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.639 like to interview less solely on the grounds that I 1398 01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:03.320 am too stupid for the job than jazz Coleman, like 1399 01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:06.159 I would just swallowed up by the ground immediately, or 1400 01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:08.239 he's just mental. That's a probable factor as well. But 1401 01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:11.159 you know, there are points where the kind of social 1402 01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:13.920 malays surrounding a particular record of theirs just becomes like 1403 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:17.159 so tangible and impossible not to pick up on in 1404 01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:18.920 comparison to maybe some of the other ones which are 1405 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.639 a little bit more kind of obfuscated the debut obviously 1406 01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:24.880 the general kind of like thatcher right sort of industrial 1407 01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:27.320 decay that marks a lot of like eighties punk and 1408 01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:30.320 post punk. But I don't think there's a record in 1409 01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:32.360 their catalog really where you can go well, that one 1410 01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:35.559 clearly came out when that was happening more than this one, 1411 01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:38.199 and it's proximity to the outbreak of the Iraq War, 1412 01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:40.599 and there's again there's likely a whole a whole lot 1413 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:43.440 more kind of going on within it. But you know, 1414 01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:47.639 this is an album directly about US imperialism and kind 1415 01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:51.119 of Western you know, money and power grabs and unjust warfare. 1416 01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:52.920 That's that's what it is. That's what it still is 1417 01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:55.159 and what it speaks to now. And it's like, you know, 1418 01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:57.079 Killing Druck are always kind of speaking about this stuff. 1419 01:07:57.079 --> 01:07:58.920 It's always there in the fabric of what they do, 1420 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:02.239 but it's like this point, it just it bursts open 1421 01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:05.400 so into plain sight, and there's almost like the Cold 1422 01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:07.519 War that they're always talking about has in this moment 1423 01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:08.320 kind of become a bit. 1424 01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:08.679 Of a hot one. 1425 01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:11.320 And this record is just so direct and so plain 1426 01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:14.679 in its intentions that I think you know, one of 1427 01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:18.000 the albums that would maybe most violently grab a new 1428 01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:20.000 listener by the throat in the way you're kind of 1429 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:21.560 you know, almost like a rat against Machine or a 1430 01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:23.600 Dead Kennedy's album or anything like that kind of would 1431 01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.279 in their own particularly suffocating kind of way. 1432 01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:29.960 Yeah, I don't think you can hit play on this album, 1433 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:33.640 not kind of just like pay attention to every single 1434 01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:37.359 kind of second. But this is again like right, the anger, 1435 01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:40.279 the sort of social political kind of like feeling of 1436 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:43.159 this album, and like this, you could not have this 1437 01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:45.439 album like what's wise. I think like this ALM is 1438 01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:48.640 so timely now as well, but it feels like it 1439 01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:50.600 had to come out in two thousand and three. It 1440 01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:53.439 had to, you know, at that time, in the wake 1441 01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:56.600 of those like political events and what was going on. 1442 01:08:57.640 --> 01:08:59.399 They had to kind of just like let this kind 1443 01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:02.800 of like sledge hammer, no subtlety, kind of just like 1444 01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:07.560 blunt delivery of this like militant apocalyptic kind of like 1445 01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:11.359 industrial Like I don't know what you call the so 1446 01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:12.640 on this album because. 1447 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:14.560 It kind of again covers so much. 1448 01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:18.319 But yeah, no, absolutely, but again, this is one like 1449 01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:20.359 the sort of the rhythms and the sort of the 1450 01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:23.079 beats and the regimented to nature of it is it's 1451 01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:25.560 so militant in it sound, and that is not a 1452 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:29.479 kind of like coincidence, is it is conjuring that, like 1453 01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:31.079 just on the pure. 1454 01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:31.960 Soide that don't. 1455 01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:37.640 Like marching beats constantly across the whole whole album, And 1456 01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:40.359 then you get into the lyrics and the themes, it's 1457 01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:43.439 all just their front and center. And again you're right, like, 1458 01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:45.600 I think like this album as the first it is 1459 01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:48.159 given what is going with in the world right now, 1460 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:50.119 I hear a planent is gonna like fuck me, this 1461 01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:52.359 is you know, there's a reason we're talking about. 1462 01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:52.720 This album right now. 1463 01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:57.039 I think it does land really like evocatively at that 1464 01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:57.880 at this point. 1465 01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:02.039 I think it's one of the perfectly pitched politically minded 1466 01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:06.039 rock records maybe ever, because it's such a hard thing 1467 01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:08.720 to get right. I think where if you make it 1468 01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:12.159 too like pointed and specific, it could become kind of 1469 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:16.560 dated or feel sort of it can feel kind of 1470 01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:19.159 cheap doing things like that, And if you make it 1471 01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:22.279 too broad and vague, it doesn't really land like you 1472 01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:25.600 might talk on a larger subject that lasts longer, but 1473 01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:28.479 in the moment, it doesn't feel all that vital or 1474 01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:31.399 sort of direct enough to again to sort of evoke 1475 01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:34.760 anything in you. What's so genius about this record is 1476 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:37.079 we all know what it's about, but it doesn't have 1477 01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:40.640 to go George Bush is a wanka. Like it's not 1478 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:41.640 like rock against Bush. 1479 01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:45.159 It's not that sort of like those punk bands do that, 1480 01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:47.720 but this is way more just kind of like it 1481 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:50.279 cuts into the point like so powerfully. 1482 01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:53.279 Yeah, it's not profits of Rage doing unfucked the world, 1483 01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.359 you know. I mean, it's not like John Oliver rock 1484 01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:59.439 where it just feels sort of like limp and rubbish. 1485 01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:04.760 It's so cutting and so vicious, while still kind of 1486 01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:08.319 managing to occasionally be abstract and talk about larger things 1487 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:10.960 like I'm sure we'll get to it, like Death and 1488 01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:14.560 Resurrection show as the opening track without ever being too 1489 01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:18.800 explicit about what it's about. There's no question what it's 1490 01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:22.000 dealing with, and I think that is the genius of 1491 01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:24.640 the record and the thing that marks them out from 1492 01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:28.880 other bands, especially of this time, trying to tackle that 1493 01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:29.600 same subject. 1494 01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:31.680 Yeah, and it's like they've been kind of sort of 1495 01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:34.239 galvanized into action on it because there hadn't been a 1496 01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:36.079 Killing Jack album as you were saying, I mean, I 1497 01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:37.920 think it's seven years and then you know, they have 1498 01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:41.000 had these like little periods occasionally where the band I 1499 01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:43.039 guess technically still exists, but they go in through these 1500 01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:45.680 little creative slumbers. And the last album Democracy in ninety six. 1501 01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:48.560 A lot of bands, you know, flirted with industrial and 1502 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:50.880 the nineties. At Pandemonium they had like kind of one 1503 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:53.479 of their stronger albums of that period, and then Democracy 1504 01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:56.119 after that. I don't think Killing Joke really have bad albums, 1505 01:11:56.159 --> 01:11:57.640 but that is one of the ones that's much less 1506 01:11:57.720 --> 01:11:59.439 kind of mentioned, and I think the band themselves weren't the. 1507 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:00.279 Most happy with it. 1508 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.520 Suddenly two thousand and three they just come back spitting 1509 01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:06.039 blood and it's not an industrial rock record in the 1510 01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:09.399 way that like Pandemonium is. Instead, I think this is 1511 01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:11.640 maybe one of the best examples of just how Killing 1512 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:17.760 Joke themselves the band play just with a like crushing 1513 01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:21.439 discipline that is basically like it's a trick unto themselves 1514 01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:23.960 that we then compare any other bands doing it to them. 1515 01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:26.560 You know, there is an extra component on this, which 1516 01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:30.479 is Dave roll on drums, because Killing Joke did not 1517 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.800 have a full time drummer upon this particular return. Apparently 1518 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:35.119 there was a plan and actually they were gonna have 1519 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:38.359 three different drummers, Dave Grol, John Dormien and Danny Carey 1520 01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:41.520 all record the record, but Dave Groll like wanted in 1521 01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:44.039 on the whole thing. The legend that I have heard 1522 01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:46.560 passed around it it was basically a way of paying 1523 01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:49.279 a debt for a Nirvana nicking the riff from eighties 1524 01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:50.920 for Come as You Are, which is so he recorded 1525 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:53.319 the album without a fee. I'm sure that that's a simplification, 1526 01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:55.039 but it's a nice piece of folklon under less that 1527 01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:56.279 I would like to to parrots. 1528 01:12:57.159 --> 01:12:59.920 I think this might be not only one of. 1529 01:12:59.920 --> 01:13:01.720 The best albums that Dave Girl's ever played on every 1530 01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:03.800 single band that he's been in, you can throw this 1531 01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:07.720 against it, but almost about as large a proving ground 1532 01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:10.199 as a drummer he could have, because here he comes 1533 01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:13.119 into this already legendary band and you've got to match 1534 01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:16.760 Jordie Walker's riffs as the primal engine in killing Joke. 1535 01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:24.800 Yeah, and he does an amazing job where you know 1536 01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:26.760 he's there. You listen to this record and you can 1537 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:30.039 hear that it's Dave Roll. But this album doesn't just 1538 01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:31.560 fall on the It's the one where you can hear 1539 01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:34.199 Dave Grohl playing the way that some other albums by 1540 01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:36.680 other bands when he comes and features do. And I think, 1541 01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:38.640 I don't know if that's the credit to him for 1542 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:44.199 slotting in so brilliantly, or if it's just the nature 1543 01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:46.319 of Killing Joke as a band where it's almost like 1544 01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:49.920 a sort of sickness or a parasite that infects anything 1545 01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:53.640 that comes in concept with it. Because Jordie Walker is 1546 01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:59.199 one of the most frightening rift writers and effortlessly frightening 1547 01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:03.199 rift writers ever that even someone who plays drums like 1548 01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:10.920 Dave Grohl kind of sounds like not too intimidating in 1549 01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.399 his presence. Yeah, he has to match it. 1550 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:16.680 Those riffs can like beat Dave Goldin' submission almost whilst 1551 01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:20.479 he's still sounding like as like pulverizing on the drums. 1552 01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:24.680 Is it is that listen to the drumk It's like 1553 01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:25.439 fucking hell. 1554 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:27.960 That is like again like the whole you know we 1555 01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:30.479 talked about few times, the loud versus heavy sort of thing. 1556 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:34.319 This album is fucking heavy, Like everything about it. 1557 01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:37.600 Is just again like everyone not playing like sonically heavy, 1558 01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:42.000 like there was just this constant air of menace that 1559 01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:44.159 hangs over this. And so when you get those moments 1560 01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:46.479 where like you've had this kind of like opening section 1561 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:49.239 of like the defferenstation, that you've had that main sort of. 1562 01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:52.760 Riffman and that's from like changing vocal that kind of. 1563 01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:55.119 Throning along, and then when you get that, listen to 1564 01:14:55.159 --> 01:14:57.960 the drums and Dave God comes in with that. It's 1565 01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:00.119 fucking scary. The first time I heard I was like, 1566 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:03.479 Jesus fucking cries. Okay, this is the album settling in for? 1567 01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:05.640 Is it? Let's fucking go? Yeah. 1568 01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:07.560 You know when people talking about fucking you know, not 1569 01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:09.600 loose doing the reggaetor and breakdown and stuff like that, 1570 01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:12.680 it's like, this is what anyone hoping to. You know, 1571 01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:15.239 you kind of have to match this, you know, more 1572 01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:18.720 than six and a half minutes practically seven grinding you 1573 01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:21.920 into fucking paste. Like the Death and Resurrection show is 1574 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:25.039 kind of like an endurance test, but it's also the 1575 01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:27.680 exact evidence of what Killing Joke do that no band 1576 01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:29.520 ever can really match them on, which is that like 1577 01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:33.239 taking of a rhythm and making you fucking delirious with it, 1578 01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:37.600 just like how thick they lay it on how mercilessly 1579 01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:40.319 unrelenting it will be, like I'm kind of demented by 1580 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:42.800 about two minutes into the Death and Resurrection show and it's. 1581 01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:43.560 Still thought to go. 1582 01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.279 You know, and the scale of sound in Killing Joke 1583 01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:49.760 when they just decide to go like, yeah, this is 1584 01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:51.560 gonna be a heavy one strap in and they basically 1585 01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:55.079 got this whole record is kind of unbelievable because, you know, drums, 1586 01:15:55.239 --> 01:15:58.359 we've got the heaviest performance that Dave roll Ever lays 1587 01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:00.399 down to tape just because he kind of has to. 1588 01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:01.600 Cause he's in Killing Joke. 1589 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:07.640 Now. Guitars from the opening seconds, the tone is legitimately terrifying. 1590 01:16:07.880 --> 01:16:10.439 Those riffs that you know, Jordie Walker may kind of 1591 01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:15.600 reinventing heaviness into this like pounding overwhelming minimalism. You know 1592 01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:17.680 that then is going to be godflesh and swans and 1593 01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:20.760 all these other things like here two decades of experience 1594 01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:23.039 and evolution. The guitar tone that he gets, particularly in 1595 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:26.079 the twenty first century, I find is some of the 1596 01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:30.560 craziest guitar towns like ever achieved. And then Jazz Coleman, 1597 01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:32.800 who spends much of that first song in this sort 1598 01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:36.159 of like chiming, robotic dandarn dann and then when he 1599 01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:41.399 turns it on I I it's a feat of human evolution. 1600 01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:43.359 How he does that voice. I don't know how he 1601 01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:46.800 does it, Like when he goes ah like it's properly. 1602 01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:49.680 It's like when you see your fucking silverback gorilla beating 1603 01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:51.159 its chef or something and you go, well, that's something 1604 01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:52.960 that a human can't do, except he does it. 1605 01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:54.199 It's nuts. 1606 01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:56.479 It's one of the like and I mean this is 1607 01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:59.680 in the most commonly possibly one of the most ugliest extreme. 1608 01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:03.960 It's like like some harsh vocals a person can ever 1609 01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:04.359 do it. 1610 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:07.760 Like again, it's so joke because you've had that bird 1611 01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:11.079 bird b bradleep and that there's that just kind of 1612 01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:11.439 hitting you. 1613 01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:15.560 And then when that oh is that where he just 1614 01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:19.359 starts screaming that, it's like fucking what is that noise? 1615 01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:24.039 That is like like genuinely inhuman and just like like 1616 01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:26.479 it sounds like he's hurting himself doing it, Like, I 1617 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:28.319 don't know how a person can do that savely, because 1618 01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:30.199 again it's that thing where you talk about like there's 1619 01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:34.880 no like rehearsed scream and he's just this primal like 1620 01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:39.119 throaty again, it just adds like it's just one more 1621 01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:39.800 layer to make. 1622 01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:41.479 This song as oppressively heavy as possible. 1623 01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:45.000 When he hits the fucking oh beloved Woman of Liberty 1624 01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:48.359 in your ah. 1625 01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:52.439 And the note just goes like at full yell over 1626 01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:55.720 like the whole next bit it's and it just sticks 1627 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:57.319 on that whole rhythm the same way basically, but it 1628 01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:00.640 just it feels like it's like, you know when I 1629 01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:02.199 don't know if you remember, the Napalm Death did this 1630 01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:05.640 thing several years ago where they played a show where 1631 01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:07.880 they like it was in like an art exhibition and 1632 01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:11.000 they had to like loosen bricks by playing and like 1633 01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:13.560 just through sound waves, That's what it sounds like this 1634 01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:16.359 song is doing just through jazz Coleman's voice. 1635 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:21.680 It's christ I've loved this song for years, but this 1636 01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:25.920 song entered a higher echelon for me when we saw 1637 01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:28.760 them a Bloodstock a couple of years ago, and it 1638 01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:30.800 was that I think it was saying that maybe the 1639 01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:32.920 hottest day at a festival in British history. It was 1640 01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:37.079 like forty degrees no shade that it was on and 1641 01:18:37.159 --> 01:18:39.399 then killing joke. Come on and you listen to this 1642 01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:44.319 deafening volume and dead and dead, and we'd be dying. 1643 01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:46.880 You'd be like, you feel like it's the end of 1644 01:18:46.880 --> 01:18:52.239 the world. I kill me now, please. But then and 1645 01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:55.479 you're right, it's that hypnostic And I remember, like Jordi Walkman, 1646 01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:57.720 Jordie was just watching him play guitar and looking at 1647 01:18:57.760 --> 01:18:59.680 his right hand and going, how is he making that 1648 01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:03.359 much noise when he's playing with like the laxa daisical 1649 01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:08.119 like effortless quality. He's not hacking away at the strings, 1650 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:10.920 I mean the way like Billy jar Armstrong does. He's 1651 01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:15.239 playing it like it's like Creden's clear Water Revival, and 1652 01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:18.239 it's making that noise. And then going back to this 1653 01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:22.680 and just listening to something going this the sound, the 1654 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.880 terror of it. This isn't just impressive for any band. 1655 01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:31.359 It's impressive like these guys are in their forties, maybe 1656 01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:35.039 even early fifties at this point, and they're making music 1657 01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:39.039 that sounds like this. It going back to it for 1658 01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:40.680 this it really made me think of when we did 1659 01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:42.760 the Artist in Chain special. We were saying, imagine here 1660 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:44.520 and check my brain. As at the first outs and 1661 01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:48.479 Chain song back, you get into killing joke and you 1662 01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:50.359 already know that they can be one of the heaviest 1663 01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:52.439 bands in the world. And then the first song on 1664 01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:55.800 their new record is one of the heavier songs they 1665 01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:59.640 would ever put down. It's it's the sort of stuff 1666 01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:02.039 that like underground circles, it's just the stuff of legend. 1667 01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:08.520 Yeah, and then there's the mocking, whispered imperialist demon. 1668 01:20:08.319 --> 01:20:10.479 Voice that he does on this album as well. 1669 01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:13.800 I barely have words to describe what Jazz Colman does 1670 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:18.000 on that verse in total Invasion, like making every word 1671 01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:22.680 hiss and snarl in all of the wrongest places, like 1672 01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:28.079 he has just become this kind of morally bankrupt oil baron. 1673 01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:30.119 I'll start a war on that song, you know. 1674 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:32.960 And he has this incredible knack for saying things that 1675 01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:36.359 kind of paint the perspective that we generally see things from, 1676 01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:37.479 you know, that being the kind of you know, the 1677 01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:39.680 Western you know, British American kind of global view of 1678 01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:42.880 the world in the seediest sort of way that like 1679 01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:45.479 cut through any kind of preconceived notions. But he's like, 1680 01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:47.319 you know, we'll close your women in the Western way. 1681 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:49.319 It's like, well, it makes its skin kind of cruel. 1682 01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:51.640 And then when you get to the chorus, which is 1683 01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:54.279 essentially just a massive declaration of war. 1684 01:20:54.439 --> 01:20:55.920 Right is totally evaded done. 1685 01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:58.359 It just feels like you are kind of past some 1686 01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:01.800 point of no return. Are just masses of you know, 1687 01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:05.720 forms around you, swamping the world. He sounds about like 1688 01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:09.560 fifty foot tall, like an iron god stamping his feet 1689 01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:13.520 across civilization. And it's moments like that where again I've 1690 01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:18.159 rarely been more like legitimately petrified by a vocalist live 1691 01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:21.920 than seeing killing Joke do stuff like that or loose 1692 01:21:22.039 --> 01:21:26.199 cannon as well, which that like mania in the reputation. 1693 01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:29.239 I believe that he has somehow, just in that moment, 1694 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:33.399 become possessed by the spirit of whatever, like evil military 1695 01:21:33.439 --> 01:21:36.279 official with his finger on the button he's inhabiting in 1696 01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:38.359 that song when he goes bang, he might as well 1697 01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:41.039 like that that's an actual act of violence, you know, 1698 01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:44.560 like that's been like thrust upon me when he shoots 1699 01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:45.640 me with his words like that. 1700 01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:48.119 I mean again, even with the killin joke I listened 1701 01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:50.479 to before this, I like you always jazz common. He's 1702 01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:54.640 an eccentric kind of like out there character as a vocalist. 1703 01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:56.680 So when I when this song came in and that 1704 01:21:56.920 --> 01:22:00.520 that like Gollumn by way of like oh and sort 1705 01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:03.159 of vocals, like it's something with like BEAUNI people players 1706 01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:04.439 like Mike Patten and like how he can do a 1707 01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:06.840 thousand voices and all that sort of thing. It's that 1708 01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:08.880 kind of quality of like, oh, this guy can just 1709 01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:11.239 do fucking anything, Like like the My Painter is like 1710 01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:13.640 there's the darkness where Mike Patten's doing a kind of 1711 01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:16.279 like huss like whispered good voice, and it's that kind 1712 01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:18.560 of something. It's like, oh, he is transformed. He is 1713 01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:22.199 like so convincing in Pain's character. And then again you 1714 01:22:22.319 --> 01:22:24.880 get that chuse, which is like a rallying cry, but 1715 01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:27.399 it's like a horrifying kind of like I don't want 1716 01:22:27.439 --> 01:22:29.119 to be kind of rallied behind this cause. 1717 01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:33.920 Because it's pure like corporate greed and corruption and evil. 1718 01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:38.039 It's so like hard as nails that will change your 1719 01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:39.800 God to the bitch Goddess is one of the most 1720 01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:42.439 like fucking hardest nails lines, and the way he delivers 1721 01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:45.319 it is just so horrible and nasty and like and 1722 01:22:45.399 --> 01:22:47.640 again it's like that we want you all, we want 1723 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:50.000 your land all of the other sort of like the messing. 1724 01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:51.920 This song is kind of like as in your faces 1725 01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:53.520 you want to get as to what was going on 1726 01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:56.359 with the war in Iraq and like what it was 1727 01:22:56.359 --> 01:22:57.920 all about, and it's kind of just putting it all 1728 01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:01.239 there in the kind of like most horror movie kind 1729 01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:04.119 of like warped contward version of it, and it is 1730 01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:06.119 like terrifyingly captivating. 1731 01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:09.000 I think that the whole opening run of this, that 1732 01:23:09.119 --> 01:23:13.760 this record is just exposes the difference of music that 1733 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:17.119 plays at sounded angry and music that sounds legitimately angry. 1734 01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:19.640 And I think what's so cool about killing Job, particularly 1735 01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:23.680 on this record, is by inhabiting characters and taking these 1736 01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:30.119 sort of someone like dissociated narrator positions where it's it's 1737 01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:33.600 not necessarily it's not as direct as saying that this 1738 01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:36.000 is just what I think he's like, like say, in 1739 01:23:36.039 --> 01:23:40.720 the case of total invasion, He's encapsulating that whole worldview 1740 01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:45.640 and the horror that comes along with it, and you 1741 01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:48.760 can just tell that the anger is bleeding through. It 1742 01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:51.439 comes through the mix without him having to say, oh, 1743 01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:53.960 this is bad. By the way, there's no need because 1744 01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:55.439 his performance. 1745 01:23:55.560 --> 01:23:57.439 You don't agree with a person who sounds like that. 1746 01:23:58.079 --> 01:24:00.439 Exactly, Like if you write the lyrics down. I'm sure 1747 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:02.439 there'll be people who go like, yeah, great, sounds good, 1748 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:05.319 but when he speaks that you know what he thinks, 1749 01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:08.840 and that is so much more affecting, and so it 1750 01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:10.520 gives you so much more to chew on than just 1751 01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:12.000 if it came out and again it was just that 1752 01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:13.239 George Bush is a wanka thing. 1753 01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:17.479 Yeah, you know, I mentioned louse Canner, which around that 1754 01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:20.479 vocal still has that oh well, which is huge and 1755 01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:23.319 it has it's like a nightmare dub song, you know, 1756 01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:26.800 this kind of taking that just swamping morass and turning 1757 01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:29.680 it into this sort of you know, squelching horror instrumental. 1758 01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:33.119 Apparently louse Cannon a top twenty five UK single in 1759 01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:34.159 two thousand and three. 1760 01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:37.319 What it's got a big woe on it. I get it, 1761 01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:41.239 you know he's got on the radio. But it's so scammy. 1762 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:45.359 And I guess yeah, speaking about the vocal, you know, 1763 01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:50.079 terror and franticness and stuff. I don't know where the 1764 01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:53.720 hell that intro to asteroid comes from. Like every time 1765 01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:55.720 you hear it, it makes your heart jump out of 1766 01:24:55.760 --> 01:24:59.399 your chest. The unpredictability that he somehow like pushes those 1767 01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:04.159 words out with such like lightning speed the terrifying, you know, 1768 01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:07.479 warped diction. But if it was a you know, it's 1769 01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:10.359 rhythmically insane, like the pattern of where each line goes, 1770 01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:15.359 it's it might it could be the most at it 1771 01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:15.960 start to. 1772 01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:20.840 A song are type like Astroid and Implant both have 1773 01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:24.279 those moments where you can he just goes fucking mental. 1774 01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:28.079 And he goes on. 1775 01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:34.199 Yeah, fucking hell like Astron is like turning the Apocalypse 1776 01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:37.600 into a fucking dance party, like because that's the song. 1777 01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:41.279 It's it is a full on like bouncing End of 1778 01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:43.279 Days can like post punk dance party. 1779 01:25:44.119 --> 01:25:46.119 Jazz Colmen is just letting all of those. 1780 01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:49.439 Darkest parts of him erupt out as a vocalist. But 1781 01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:51.960 that the opening rant is crazy, and then just every 1782 01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:53.920 time the asteroid hook comes back, and I'm just like 1783 01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:55.000 pumping my fist and. 1784 01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:57.079 Bang my head. But I'm just like this is bad though, 1785 01:25:57.079 --> 01:25:57.319 ain't it? 1786 01:25:57.399 --> 01:26:00.399 Like? There aren't many songs ever that fit the description 1787 01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:03.079 rager more than that though, right, because the sheer way 1788 01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:06.920 that makes you move, you know, killing Jokara band who 1789 01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:10.880 excel in this kind of kinetic tension, you know, whether 1790 01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:13.920 it's slow and repetitive like Death and Resurrection show or 1791 01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:15.680 you know, like bull in a China Shop like this 1792 01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:18.199 is they're gonna make you move and your limbs are gonna. 1793 01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:19.239 Become kind of uncontrollable. 1794 01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:24.600 Asteroid is just like three sustained minutes of just physical hysteria, 1795 01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:28.640 you know, just that the Nightmare Banger is a thing 1796 01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:31.479 that they absolutely knock out of the park on this record, 1797 01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:33.520 and you're like, this is why post punk is cool. 1798 01:26:33.600 --> 01:26:35.279 You know, like whatever might have been done to over 1799 01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:38.720 the years, the ability to create that sort of kinetic 1800 01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:42.199 tension or something that's very tight and regimented but forcing 1801 01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:45.479 it outward into this like violent energy, and then you 1802 01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:50.880 happen to have the nuts vocalist going Asteroid. It's umble, 1803 01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:54.079 it's genuinely staggering that song, and it's like maybe one 1804 01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:56.199 of the most simplistic on the record, but just that 1805 01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:58.399 it sounds like that and that it powers like that. 1806 01:26:59.359 --> 01:27:01.840 Well, I mean, you remember back at this time, like 1807 01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:06.079 maybe the most popular metal band in the world, or 1808 01:27:06.119 --> 01:27:08.359 certainly one of the system of a down and this 1809 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:12.199 manally sort of takes a similar principle to something you 1810 01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:14.680 might hear on the self titled or on Toxicity, but 1811 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:20.279 supercharges it with Swans and godflesh and throbbing gristle and 1812 01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:26.760 doesn't sacrifice any of the catchiness, Whilest sounding absolutely more 1813 01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:27.920 manic than that band, who. 1814 01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:29.520 Are often credited for being one of the most manic 1815 01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:33.159 metal bands to ever become popular. Yeah, and that again 1816 01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:35.800 the nightmare post punk banger thing blood on your Hands 1817 01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:39.079 later on is like just upbeat riff, hell of a 1818 01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:39.960 drum groove, but. 1819 01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:44.439 Five corporations and more. The body signation just. 1820 01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:46.319 Repeating that you've got blood on your hands, that just 1821 01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:49.439 being the chorus. You know, two statements, one not even 1822 01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:53.439 necessarily directly grammatically leading on from the other one, but 1823 01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:55.520 it's just, you know, because one is objective in the 1824 01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:59.439 other is an accusation, but the intent is crystal fucking clear, 1825 01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:02.239 you know, and seeing red as well, like, which is 1826 01:28:02.279 --> 01:28:06.520 this really kind of transparent? Uh, specifically addressed to a 1827 01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:08.800 UK audience being like, hey, you know, the Americans are 1828 01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:11.239 trying to have you on here and pull you along, 1829 01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:12.800 like is do you want to is this what you 1830 01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:13.159 want to. 1831 01:28:13.119 --> 01:28:13.560 Go along with? 1832 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:16.319 And then centered on that cry of red red and 1833 01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:20.800 everyone feeling like an impact wound. I don't know if 1834 01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:23.960 I've heard many albums that just sound like a fucking 1835 01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:26.119 like burning oil field as much as this, you know, 1836 01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:29.079 and not in a chaotic, you know, a nan athrax 1837 01:28:29.119 --> 01:28:31.319 sort of way, but just a deliberate, this is all 1838 01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:36.319 intentional way, like this is a totalitarian sound and that's 1839 01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:36.600 it is. 1840 01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:39.800 It is that that like organized destruction. It's not like 1841 01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:44.159 chaos and and like frantics or panicle overplace. This is 1842 01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:48.159 this is like saying, like, just mechanize the military industrial 1843 01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:51.359 complex steamrolling over everything. I mean like blowing your hands again, 1844 01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:54.119 like there is sleeves on that rip and pop on 1845 01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:54.880 that drum beat. 1846 01:28:55.039 --> 01:28:57.159 I want hardcore batters to start covering blood in your hands. 1847 01:28:57.159 --> 01:28:58.479 I had that thought today and I was like, someone 1848 01:28:58.479 --> 01:28:59.439 needs to fucking mosh to that. 1849 01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:03.560 When it goes even harder on the chorus and it's 1850 01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:05.720 kind of got this like hip shaking rock and roll thing, 1851 01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:07.920 but it's so venomous. 1852 01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:10.560 It's like that five Corporation and the voice. I was like, 1853 01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:11.800 I hate the world like that. 1854 01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:14.399 That lyric was just gonna like fucking hell, like if 1855 01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:15.920 you can sing that is like that is just the 1856 01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:17.520 most bleak something thing ever. 1857 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:19.199 But it's like again, like. 1858 01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:21.840 Doing that over a song that fucking rocks, like on 1859 01:29:22.039 --> 01:29:26.239 your hands is so like again, it's such a like 1860 01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:28.920 weird balancing act to pull off, and that they're just 1861 01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:30.479 so masterful at it on this album. 1862 01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:33.399 Yeah, okay, it's it's it's so well, that's a really 1863 01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:35.960 sticky song. But that again, that's kind of totalitarian sound. 1864 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:40.000 I was describing implant You've got gross, you know, and 1865 01:29:40.119 --> 01:29:42.439 this like really prominent bassline as well, it's all kind 1866 01:29:42.439 --> 01:29:44.600 of sort of jelly limbed. It's something that you can 1867 01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:46.560 kind of dance to in the rhythm section, but the 1868 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:49.039 synth background over it, it's like, oh, something is wrong here, 1869 01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:50.760 something really malevolent is. 1870 01:29:50.760 --> 01:29:54.760 A foot here. And then you know jazz, you don't 1871 01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:58.239 want to pretend you don't want to fucking like, how 1872 01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:00.199 does a man someone that? 1873 01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:02.640 It makes the death of retroto a bit sound like 1874 01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:05.319 like he kind of was saving his energy somehow, Like 1875 01:30:05.399 --> 01:30:10.000 it's how does he have that much pure vitriotic lung 1876 01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:13.279 capacity to do that? Like this specific album, I think 1877 01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:15.960 you know you mentioned Pattern earlier. Jack Coleman is on 1878 01:30:16.159 --> 01:30:19.439 that level, if not better, right, And this specific album 1879 01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:23.359 should be mentioned much more often in the greatest heavy 1880 01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:25.760 music vocal performances of all time, Like you just want 1881 01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:29.239 to cower and hide for every second he's opening his mouth. 1882 01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:32.399 No, I a hundred agree again like implant, you know, 1883 01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:35.319 because it starts a bit more like minimalist after Asteroid, 1884 01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:37.640 with the kind of like dark ambient Simpson kind of 1885 01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:40.439 like the bass kind of balancing to be down quite lski. 1886 01:30:40.560 --> 01:30:43.479 But then when he fucking goes off on that chorus, 1887 01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:45.680 and when you time to get to the final chorus, the. 1888 01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:47.399 Gods and stick. 1889 01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:52.239 And his voice when he goes his voice cracks a 1890 01:30:52.279 --> 01:30:52.640 little bit. 1891 01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:56.119 It might be the most like incensed indignant anyone's ever 1892 01:30:56.199 --> 01:30:58.680 sounded on a record that specific moment. It's like he 1893 01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:01.079 can't actually contain the rape. 1894 01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:03.920 Which is like he's playing characters aback the sometime the 1895 01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:07.279 moments where like you can just feel his pure bitterness 1896 01:31:07.319 --> 01:31:11.479 and hatred for forced control kind of like compliance everyone 1897 01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:13.760 more obey all that sort of thing. And again like 1898 01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:16.319 this isn't like fucking obe I hope you have a 1899 01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:19.880 lovely day, kind of like this is like actually like 1900 01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:23.399 cutting into the point being like again I agree. I'm like, 1901 01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:25.520 I'm surprised I don't see this kind of performance held 1902 01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:27.439 in more more frequently outside of the people who like 1903 01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:30.520 could clearly worship the ground killing joke walk On, which 1904 01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:33.079 should be a lot more people evidently, but this is 1905 01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:33.399 one of those. 1906 01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:35.199 IMS was like, God, I wish i'd heard this sooner. 1907 01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:37.880 I got around to this album in particular sooner because 1908 01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:41.159 I'm I'm every second this I think is just masterful. 1909 01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:44.399 Oh I think the song that for me and in 1910 01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:46.560 a very different way, but takes it up so that 1911 01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:51.079 this album has one of my favorite incensed rock performances ever, 1912 01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:53.439 is when he gets to You'll Never Get to Me, 1913 01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:57.880 which has you can tell it's the same guy, but 1914 01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:04.760 the approach is almost unrecognizable, where that fury and anger 1915 01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:09.479 that again we're sort of running out of superlatives to 1916 01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:13.520 describe how insensity sounds for much of this record. When 1917 01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:16.119 that sort of reaches a breaking point and all that's 1918 01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:19.399 left is this, I don't I don't even know. I 1919 01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:20.960 don't know what that feeling is, where it's like that 1920 01:32:21.119 --> 01:32:25.760 sort of pushing back but sort of exhausted and devastated, 1921 01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:28.640 and then capturing that and putting that in the I 1922 01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:30.399 guess what you'd call it. The close Things were ballad 1923 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:34.760 on the song on the record, it's especially sequenced the 1924 01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:37.600 way it is in the record, It is so powerful. 1925 01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:40.239 Yeah, I mean that that kind of flip side of 1926 01:32:41.039 --> 01:32:43.960 you know, to unintentionally quote idol joys and active resistance, right, 1927 01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:47.720 and this sort of booming colleidoscopic sound of like you know, 1928 01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:51.199 rock dub and industrial and stuff. Something that Kevin Drake 1929 01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:54.920 really excelling is making that feel really spiritual and stirring 1930 01:32:55.119 --> 01:32:58.800 as well. And that's an insane jazz coln performance to 1931 01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:02.279 still be at full gurgling bellow and making it sound 1932 01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:05.479 like happy and beautiful at the same time. I love 1933 01:33:05.560 --> 01:33:07.119 like the house that Pain built. At the end, he 1934 01:33:07.159 --> 01:33:09.239 sounds like he's had like a numbing injection at the 1935 01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:10.880 dentists in his mouth and he's. 1936 01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:13.279 Just slurring all over that track. It's really left the 1937 01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:14.039 center great. 1938 01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:17.479 And again what is quite a you know, you think 1939 01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:19.439 about the album, you think it's quite you know, focused 1940 01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:22.279 on primitivism and this sort of like you know, repetitive 1941 01:33:22.319 --> 01:33:24.159 sort of violence. I guess maybe compared to some of 1942 01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:26.640 their other albums, which dart around more, there's still like 1943 01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:28.960 a really out there mix of sound. Dark Forces is 1944 01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:31.720 this really strange mix of like sounds like a PlayStation 1945 01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:36.680 one Final Fantasy soundtrack, but with this like nightmare suffocation 1946 01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:39.720 ooze placed around it, where again jazz is literally like 1947 01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:42.399 gurgling on his fleme at the start and one of 1948 01:33:42.439 --> 01:33:45.920 those like again complete like slap you moment of clarity 1949 01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:48.640 choruses with a girl up, wake up, Someone's taking you 1950 01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:51.359 for a ride part. There's a bonus track Zenen as well, 1951 01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:52.880 which I really like because it has this kind of 1952 01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:56.920 like looping, vaguely Middle Eastern kind of guitar feel that 1953 01:33:57.039 --> 01:34:00.159 makes that sound really booming and heavy where it's if 1954 01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:03.399 heaviness is intent, this is one of the heaviest albums ever. 1955 01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:06.640 If Heaviness is in sonics, this is also one of 1956 01:34:06.680 --> 01:34:08.000 the heaviest albums ever. 1957 01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:10.800 Briefly go back to You'll Never Get to Me like 1958 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:12.800 just as a kind of like because again like that 1959 01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:15.159 sort of thing that kind of like captures the heaviness 1960 01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:16.880 of the album and makes it because you do get 1961 01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:20.079 this like moment of like beauty in the middle of 1962 01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:21.840 it is the calm in the middle of the storm, 1963 01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:24.239 like where you've kind of like because again you finish 1964 01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:25.840 that and then you get back to fucking seeing Red 1965 01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:29.399 and Seeing Red is again just so much more oppressed 1966 01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:31.479 when heavy, because it's coming off of You'll Never Get 1967 01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:33.720 to me, but like that song where like it is 1968 01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:36.439 like how a song with that vocal promance can be 1969 01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:39.399 described as beautiful is kind of like bizarre because when 1970 01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:40.880 he on that course where he's doing that kind of 1971 01:34:40.920 --> 01:34:44.479 like throaty sort of singing, it shouldn't work, but it is. 1972 01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:46.399 It is genuinely uplifting. 1973 01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:48.359 There's a moment like the middle where feels like it's 1974 01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:50.479 almost too bleak to carry on and you are gonna 1975 01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:52.680 give up, and then it kind of like comes back 1976 01:34:52.680 --> 01:34:55.479 around to find that like final bit of resist that 1977 01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:57.479 it's so stirring and them kind of like, ah, maybe 1978 01:34:57.520 --> 01:34:59.399 it is gonna be all right, And then you get 1979 01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:01.600 seeing Red and it's kind of like, oh yeah, everyone's 1980 01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:03.079 just trying to sort of turn a blind eye to 1981 01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:05.439 the war being raised around you, and you're just going 1982 01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:06.600 to get dragged along for it, and. 1983 01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:09.199 Eventually it's going to you know, consume you, and there's 1984 01:35:09.359 --> 01:35:10.199 like oh yeah, there we go. 1985 01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:13.199 There is that just kind of like devastating heaviness being 1986 01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:16.159 delivered in every intent, and it just again it just 1987 01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:18.600 then carries on through the record and you're through those 1988 01:35:18.640 --> 01:35:19.399 bonus tracks. 1989 01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:21.399 Yeah, I mean, like you know, Death and Resurrection Show 1990 01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:24.800 total invasion, asteroid, implant blood in your hands, loose cannon. 1991 01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:26.680 You'll never get to be like that. If it's only 1992 01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:29.399 to say that that is the best, you know, passage 1993 01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:32.079 of killing Joke's career. I could hear the argument, you know, 1994 01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:34.520 it's not even the last time they were that good, 1995 01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:36.720 because you know, the albums they hit really started. This 1996 01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:40.119 one Post from the Basements of Hell. Absolute Descent is 1997 01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:43.600 you know, more kind of dynamic and colorful than this one, 1998 01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:45.840 and it is also basically that good all the way through. 1999 01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:48.119 I really love Pylon, the last one they did when 2000 01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:50.680 that one came out, and it's just staggering that they 2001 01:35:50.680 --> 01:35:51.640 could rock up every. 2002 01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:52.920 Time and do that, you know. 2003 01:35:53.079 --> 01:35:56.720 And I think this one it cuts to the core 2004 01:35:56.840 --> 01:35:59.359 of the matter a little more bluntly and directly than 2005 01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:01.079 the others, and it just kind of forces you, you know, 2006 01:36:01.199 --> 01:36:02.680 kind of just going, you know, fucking look at this. 2007 01:36:03.279 --> 01:36:05.239 But it I mean, there was a rolling stone with 2008 01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:07.359 you at the time. Apparently that gave this two out 2009 01:36:07.399 --> 01:36:09.319 of ten. Saying the doom and gloom gets a little 2010 01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:10.439 oppressive after a while, it's like. 2011 01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:13.159 Well, yeah, that's the point. It's kind of it's on 2012 01:36:13.279 --> 01:36:15.760 you to deal with that. It is an overwhelming album. 2013 01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:19.319 I'm so happy that I got to catch them, like 2014 01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:21.119 I've seen them in the past before, but I've got 2015 01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:23.079 to catch them those couple of times again in the 2016 01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:26.760 year or so up to Georgie's passing, because as you said, 2017 01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:28.920 that last time I saw them, which were the Bloodstock 2018 01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:31.239 Slot sat sobbing to Lamb of God and Randy Blive 2019 01:36:31.359 --> 01:36:33.079 was on the side of the stage just like visibly 2020 01:36:33.199 --> 01:36:35.840 awestruck the whole time. The main but I remember from 2021 01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:38.880 that set is as you say, how just overwhelmingly heavy 2022 01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:44.039 the Death and Resurrection show was. And oh yeah, Elliott, 2023 01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:45.840 what's your where would you put this in terms of 2024 01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:47.880 I mean, let's even just say twenty first century killing 2025 01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:50.279 joke albums like other other ones in that. 2026 01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:54.159 Later career run, which are also close to your heart. 2027 01:36:54.960 --> 01:36:57.439 I mean, I do think particularly that three album run 2028 01:36:57.680 --> 01:37:00.359 of this Sandus in the Basement of Hell and Absolute 2029 01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:04.199 Descent is incredible, particularly the book ends. This and Absolute 2030 01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:06.439 Descent would probably be vying for the top spot of 2031 01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:09.079 the twenty first century, but maybe just because I'm be 2032 01:37:09.079 --> 01:37:12.439 listening to this all week, I think This might just 2033 01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:15.319 pip it for the best one because the sheer sensation 2034 01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:18.840 of it is quite unlike not just anything else in 2035 01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:21.600 their career, but maybe any other band I've ever heard. 2036 01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:24.399 It's not quite the same as things like Godflesh or 2037 01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:27.600 Early Swans or like the other touch points we found 2038 01:37:27.640 --> 01:37:31.520 for it. It's I mean, as far as a band 2039 01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:34.760 coming back, that's the other thing we've not really spoken 2040 01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:37.439 out too much like this. This is technically a comeback record. 2041 01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:39.399 And how many times do you a band come back 2042 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:44.640 sounding as motivated and just fired up as this? And 2043 01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:50.920 it's not their most dynamic record, but the sheer that 2044 01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:53.960 the feeling it gives me at its peaks, which is 2045 01:37:54.039 --> 01:37:58.439 basically throughout, is something that I nearly find anywhere else. 2046 01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:02.159 Yeah, and all those huge bands that you're talking about, 2047 01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:04.800 who are again like Ragent's Machine, System of Down or whatever, 2048 01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:07.079 they didn't last forty. 2049 01:38:06.920 --> 01:38:10.640 Years of being that good. That's fucking crazy that they 2050 01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:11.920 were this. 2051 01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:16.119 And more, you know, But for I mean, like fucking hell, 2052 01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:19.279 killing joke, a better four piece British band than the Beatles. 2053 01:38:19.399 --> 01:38:20.720 There's no good reason for you to have said that, 2054 01:38:20.880 --> 01:38:21.279 but I did. 2055 01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:21.920 Let's move on. 2056 01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:25.920 Sunny Day Real Estate Diary is third up in our 2057 01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:29.199 more kind of alternative leaning slots. We are going here 2058 01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:33.359 to I think one of the album's most uniquely synonymous 2059 01:38:33.399 --> 01:38:36.319 with nineties Emo. I guess let's just sort of state 2060 01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:38.800 that up top. I suppose is this like the nineties 2061 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:41.560 Emo album not necessarily the best or your favorite, but 2062 01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:44.159 like the type species if you will, for what that 2063 01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:45.359 has a scene was. 2064 01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:48.479 I mean, I guess it's kind of seen as like 2065 01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:51.920 is like second wave email whatever, like that sort of thing. Yeah, 2066 01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:54.039 it is one of those kind of like because we 2067 01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:58.079 obviously we talked about American football like last around this 2068 01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:00.479 time last year, and what that was one of those 2069 01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:02.319 people and this is kind of like, I guess the 2070 01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:05.960 sort of precursor, kind of like birthing the Midwestern emos 2071 01:39:06.159 --> 01:39:09.800 ort thing, even though not a Midwestern band, but you know, so, 2072 01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:11.600 I guess it is like in a lot of ways. 2073 01:39:12.359 --> 01:39:14.920 It is one of the sort of the definitive nineties 2074 01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:17.479 EMAO albums. Yeah. 2075 01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:20.079 I mean, I'm probably not enough of an expot on 2076 01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:22.039 this to comment because even at the height of my 2077 01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:25.279 interest in stuff like this, I never really checked out 2078 01:39:25.399 --> 01:39:27.920 some real estate, which I kind of look back now 2079 01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:29.800 and think it's a bit like going, I really like 2080 01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:31.920 this classic rock and I can't be bothered listening to 2081 01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:35.079 led Zeppelin. There's really no point like it does sort 2082 01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:37.960 of seem to be that way, but I always listening 2083 01:39:37.960 --> 01:39:40.239 to other records, But I do think this is probably 2084 01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:42.760 the one of the records from that time that continues 2085 01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:45.880 to be seen as like a touchstone more than any 2086 01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:47.279 of the other records, even the ones that I might 2087 01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:47.880 prefer to it. 2088 01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:50.760 Yeah, well, I mean when I think about that scene, 2089 01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:53.600 for me, the kind of the masterpiece of nineties Emo, 2090 01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:56.159 closest decade in the form of Jimmy World's Clarity. 2091 01:39:56.319 --> 01:39:56.520 Yeah. 2092 01:39:56.800 --> 01:39:58.239 And then that's the same year as well that you 2093 01:39:58.319 --> 01:40:01.880 get American Football's LP, right, So that's five years removed 2094 01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:05.600 from this, those two moments, and again you know, doing 2095 01:40:06.039 --> 01:40:08.319 the American Football one we did last year in the 2096 01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:11.279 kind of similar pre Outbreak festival slot that we're doing here, 2097 01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:14.119 where certain their real estate are going to be marking 2098 01:40:14.119 --> 01:40:16.119 their arrival to the UK this summer after you know, 2099 01:40:16.359 --> 01:40:18.720 god knows how long we're here in nineteen ninety four, 2100 01:40:18.800 --> 01:40:20.560 and when we think about EMO as it was in 2101 01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:23.319 the mid nineties, which is again almost arguably when it 2102 01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:26.359 was kind of becoming like EMO is almost becoming like 2103 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:32.039 its own distinct scene and culture, the albums that revolutionize 2104 01:40:32.039 --> 01:40:33.840 things and kind of form those building blocks. There are 2105 01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:35.600 lots of names that get kind of passed around a lot, 2106 01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:40.319 you know, that's you know, Taxes, the Reason, the Promise, Ring, Captain, Jazz, Braid, whatever. 2107 01:40:40.640 --> 01:40:42.720 But I don't know if there is one single album 2108 01:40:43.199 --> 01:40:46.880 that kind of acts as your representative bible for that 2109 01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:51.119 as Diaries. I mean, it's literally fucking called Diary, right. 2110 01:40:52.359 --> 01:40:55.319 How much more second wave emo could you get than 2111 01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:59.520 an album being the bible for the scene being very Diary. 2112 01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:01.720 I mean that's one of it's one of it's like 2113 01:41:02.039 --> 01:41:03.199 is it one that you look It's like maybe it's 2114 01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:04.840 not like the best one or that, but it is 2115 01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:08.439 just so pivotal to the development of the sound and 2116 01:41:08.600 --> 01:41:11.039 kind of like it lays down so much that so 2117 01:41:11.119 --> 01:41:13.560 many bands like Becase. I mean, this is the first 2118 01:41:13.640 --> 01:41:17.000 like real emo album like I probably listened to after 2119 01:41:17.279 --> 01:41:21.039 like again being into you know, my two thousands emo 2120 01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:22.840 and then kind of be like, oh, that's not that's 2121 01:41:22.840 --> 01:41:23.159 not emo. 2122 01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:25.560 You should check out this. And I was, and it 2123 01:41:25.640 --> 01:41:27.520 was like I was like, oh, okay, yeah, fair Fox, 2124 01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:29.159 Like fuck, this is this fucking me. 2125 01:41:29.399 --> 01:41:30.640 I mean, the first time I ever heard this was 2126 01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:34.560 seven was on one of the Guitar Hero games. Yeah, 2127 01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:38.680 that was the first exposure. That's a fucking banger, to be. 2128 01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:40.800 Fair, and you're gonna personally. 2129 01:41:40.920 --> 01:41:42.800 It's some long Guitar Hero probably will be that one, 2130 01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:45.359 but this was kind of like my first exposure to 2131 01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:47.439 what proper EMAI is. 2132 01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:49.640 Like then, like like again I. 2133 01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:51.439 Like to meet Order had actually gone into clarity at 2134 01:41:51.479 --> 01:41:54.279 that point and then kind of like got clarity all afterwards. 2135 01:41:54.319 --> 01:41:56.520 But then it does just feel like the kind of like. 2136 01:41:57.600 --> 01:41:59.920 Every band that kind of came after is took something 2137 01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:03.840 from Diary and would continue to do so through the 2138 01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:06.039 two thousands, where there are some things you go like, well, yeah, 2139 01:42:06.079 --> 01:42:09.600 that's you know, is pick any two thousands like fake 2140 01:42:09.640 --> 01:42:11.680 emo wherever you want to sort of like layman band 2141 01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:14.439 as and they can kind of take them from it. 2142 01:42:15.079 --> 01:42:15.279 Yeah. 2143 01:42:15.319 --> 01:42:17.720 I just think I think we need to really zero 2144 01:42:17.880 --> 01:42:20.319 in specifically on the point in time because like that 2145 01:42:20.680 --> 01:42:22.840 the list of other sort of you know, you know, 2146 01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:25.000 cult whatever second wave emo bands I just kind of 2147 01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:28.199 mentioned in passing most of them are releasing their debuts 2148 01:42:28.199 --> 01:42:30.319 around kind of ninety five to ninety six, and I 2149 01:42:30.399 --> 01:42:33.920 think this is an album that you know, It's released 2150 01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:36.199 only about a month after Kirk Cobain died, right, I 2151 01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:38.079 guess recorded while he's still alive. And you know they 2152 01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:40.920 are from Seattle rather than the Midwest like most of 2153 01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:43.439 the band that the un inspire. So we are so 2154 01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:46.520 close here to the kind of the very peak of 2155 01:42:46.840 --> 01:42:49.159 grunt and you know, the kind of alternative rock explosion 2156 01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:51.359 of the early nineties, and it's it's one of those 2157 01:42:52.239 --> 01:42:54.520 fascinating moments in the history of rock where a certain 2158 01:42:54.640 --> 01:42:56.920 chapter of history kind of so clearly comes to an 2159 01:42:57.079 --> 01:42:59.199 end like that, right, you know, the end of Nirvana 2160 01:42:59.279 --> 01:43:00.720 and the end of the Grund Dream and all of 2161 01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:03.359 that stuff, and you're almost you're looking around to like, Okay, 2162 01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:05.560 what is here that is going to kind of grab 2163 01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:08.600 the wheel and move forward? And when that specific moment 2164 01:43:09.279 --> 01:43:10.880 you think about you know, you've got Dookie and you've 2165 01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:12.720 got the Corn debut that year that both kind of 2166 01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:16.000 are going to create huge, like mainstream movements, But what 2167 01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:18.399 about the underground of alternative rock? You know, what does 2168 01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:20.520 that become in the kind of post grunge years, you know, 2169 01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:23.560 and if you're looking around for a template of something 2170 01:43:23.600 --> 01:43:26.720 that exists in nineteen ninety four, for alternative rock that 2171 01:43:26.920 --> 01:43:30.520 is more considered and sensitive. You know, it's not trying 2172 01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:32.359 to just make teenagers jump up and down, but it's 2173 01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:34.880 been kind of more delicate about it and its artistry. 2174 01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:37.520 There's an argument of all those ninety four albums that 2175 01:43:37.600 --> 01:43:41.359 this is the kind of the template, and it's it's 2176 01:43:41.399 --> 01:43:43.439 kind of amazing hearing as thinking it's ninety ninety four 2177 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:45.279 in a weird way. If it was just one year later, 2178 01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:46.760 if this had, you know, the release date said in 2179 01:43:46.800 --> 01:43:49.159 nineteen ninety five, I wouldn't question it. But there's just 2180 01:43:49.239 --> 01:43:52.399 something about that weirdier one year difference and thinking about 2181 01:43:52.439 --> 01:43:54.560 them being like part of the Seattle group of bands 2182 01:43:55.079 --> 01:43:57.199 I guess, you know, forming and playing around the same 2183 01:43:57.319 --> 01:44:00.640 area that like I know, the Screaming Tree, Temple of 2184 01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:02.640 the Dog or whatever. About it's kind of brain breaking 2185 01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:05.359 thinking outside of their real estate as it's like isolated 2186 01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:08.720 innovative thing in and around like you know, peak grunge. 2187 01:44:09.239 --> 01:44:11.560 It feels like if like grunge hadn't blown up like 2188 01:44:11.880 --> 01:44:15.960 or like exploded and like all come crashing down, that 2189 01:44:16.239 --> 01:44:18.199 they maybe would have been considered like a grunge band. 2190 01:44:18.239 --> 01:44:19.800 They probably would have been lumved him with that if 2191 01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:22.640 if it hadn't all like collapsed in that year with 2192 01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:24.039 like the end of the Varner. 2193 01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:25.800 So like, I mean, that's one of the interesting things 2194 01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:26.079 about it. 2195 01:44:26.159 --> 01:44:28.119 But I guess because the grunge scene had kind of 2196 01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:31.039 just collapsed in itself, and again, like what is grunge? 2197 01:44:31.079 --> 01:44:33.119 All the bands sounded differently blah blah blah blah blah. 2198 01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:34.359 We've had that discussion before. 2199 01:44:34.600 --> 01:44:37.479 Yeah, like they kind of like find their own kind 2200 01:44:37.479 --> 01:44:39.159 of niche of like there is the you know, things 2201 01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:40.760 that relate to some of the grunge bands. 2202 01:44:40.840 --> 01:44:42.520 There's also things about this that you can relate to. 2203 01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:46.920 You know, there's bitically like post hardcore and kind of 2204 01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:48.520 you can kind of like kind of through line into 2205 01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:50.560 that and hardcore. This is this is when the sort 2206 01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:52.399 of ninety them bands are like, yeah, this is this 2207 01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:56.359 has links to to Fugazi and sort of like that 2208 01:44:56.479 --> 01:44:58.720 sort of like that that world, as well as as 2209 01:44:58.800 --> 01:45:00.840 the kind of like super delicate soft stuff. So I 2210 01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:03.840 think that's why again, because it has that spiky side 2211 01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:07.199 with the delicate inspection, it becomes a kind of like 2212 01:45:08.119 --> 01:45:10.000 definitive thing for what EMO is. 2213 01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:13.880 Yeah, and there's that question of you know, what is 2214 01:45:13.920 --> 01:45:16.079 that you know what is grunge or whatever? When does 2215 01:45:16.159 --> 01:45:19.079 old rock become emo? When do's post hardcore become emo? 2216 01:45:19.359 --> 01:45:22.239 Because you're right, there are clear links here to obviously, 2217 01:45:22.239 --> 01:45:24.760 you know, the kind of the rights of Spring, you know, 2218 01:45:24.920 --> 01:45:28.319 Embrace stuff. In the early days of emo. There's bands 2219 01:45:28.359 --> 01:45:30.880 around during those grunge years, like I guess, like Jawbreaker 2220 01:45:30.880 --> 01:45:31.199 and stuff. 2221 01:45:31.239 --> 01:45:34.239 It almost like flipped between like yeah. 2222 01:45:34.079 --> 01:45:35.800 They kind of flip between the periphery of those things, 2223 01:45:36.119 --> 01:45:37.920 or even like you know, you go obviously a couple 2224 01:45:37.920 --> 01:45:40.159 of years later, like is Pinkerton an emo album? I mean, 2225 01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:42.039 Diary really believe it on not the same day as 2226 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:45.680 the Blue album, but it really feels like one of 2227 01:45:45.680 --> 01:45:49.000 those albums is obviously like a a pop culture sensation, 2228 01:45:49.159 --> 01:45:52.520 and one of them is more like a an underground 2229 01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:55.319 kind of bible. I think Diary is maybe the album 2230 01:45:55.319 --> 01:45:57.520 where you just put it on and you go, that's emo. 2231 01:45:57.920 --> 01:45:59.960 You know, like what we in the modern day thing 2232 01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:03.039 is definitively emo, not necessarily even there are ties to 2233 01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:06.079 it to post hardcore, to alternative rock, whatever. The first 2234 01:46:06.119 --> 01:46:07.560 word that comes into your mouth when you hear this 2235 01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:12.119 is is emo. I mean, bizarrely, I think emo almost 2236 01:46:12.199 --> 01:46:14.560 mirrors a little bit black metal in terms of you've 2237 01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:17.119 got the first wave sort of slightly disparate stuff, and 2238 01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:20.079 then the second wave stuff where it kind of consolidates into. 2239 01:46:20.000 --> 01:46:20.920 What we know as the thing. 2240 01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:23.079 And this is like to Emo, what a blaze in 2241 01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:25.399 the northern sky is to secrebate black metal. You know, 2242 01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:28.840 it's the moment where you go, that's the thing, that's 2243 01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:31.520 a movement has arrived unto itself, rather this kind of 2244 01:46:31.600 --> 01:46:36.199 desperately separated stuff. Yeah, I think this is I'm not again, 2245 01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:38.439 I'm not the expert on this field, but I do 2246 01:46:38.560 --> 01:46:40.079 think this is one of the more ahead of its 2247 01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:43.199 time sounding records of the nineties. 2248 01:46:43.680 --> 01:46:46.920 There's a few cases like this. It's like the Violent 2249 01:46:47.000 --> 01:46:48.920 Fems are a band who you listen to their first 2250 01:46:49.000 --> 01:46:50.399 record and you just think, oh, that's ninety ninety two 2251 01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:51.920 when you find it from nineteen eighty three and it 2252 01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:54.840 just doesn't fit in your brain. Yeah, that thing you 2253 01:46:54.840 --> 01:46:57.359 said earlierbout it this being ninety ninety four as opposed 2254 01:46:57.399 --> 01:47:00.479 to ninety five or ninety six. I don't know why 2255 01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:02.880 that still strikes me as odd, but it does. And 2256 01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:05.760 I think it's because it's not some technological marvel. It's 2257 01:47:05.800 --> 01:47:08.840 not something that they were able to do with budget 2258 01:47:09.119 --> 01:47:12.239 or like sort of you know, they weren't free of 2259 01:47:12.319 --> 01:47:15.479 constraints that other bands suffered, but they just sort of 2260 01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:19.640 arrived at the combining of all the influencers who've spoken about, 2261 01:47:19.800 --> 01:47:23.840 like the rights of Spring and the Fugazi rim Smashing 2262 01:47:23.840 --> 01:47:26.039 Pumpkins or all that, the stuff that the post rock 2263 01:47:26.119 --> 01:47:28.680 that I've been around at this time, Combining all those things, 2264 01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:32.760 they seem to just get to it first, which can't 2265 01:47:32.800 --> 01:47:35.239 really be accounted for with anything else other than just 2266 01:47:35.640 --> 01:47:36.560 pure ideas. 2267 01:47:37.399 --> 01:47:39.399 Yeah, and you know, for all the significant status this 2268 01:47:39.439 --> 01:47:42.560 album has, it's not one that I especially reach for 2269 01:47:42.840 --> 01:47:45.159 very often or I've spent that many hours in totality, 2270 01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:48.000 you know, listening to I'm not especially a Midwest emo 2271 01:47:48.199 --> 01:47:50.600 kind of guy. And like I said, the stuff sort 2272 01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:52.520 of relates to this now that I really love the most. 2273 01:47:52.600 --> 01:47:55.359 Maybe comes a few years down the line, but you know, Sam, considering, 2274 01:47:55.920 --> 01:47:58.560 you know, your excitement around you know this, and suddenly 2275 01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:00.560 everyone's coming back to the UK and you're suggest to 2276 01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:02.159 do this and stuff, you must be a big fan. 2277 01:48:02.119 --> 01:48:02.520 Of this record. 2278 01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:05.800 I mean, like again, like everyone beyond this album, I 2279 01:48:06.159 --> 01:48:08.399 don't mind. I fucking love this album. I think this 2280 01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:10.399 album is just kind of like again one of those 2281 01:48:10.479 --> 01:48:13.439 like what is nineties emo? And I hit some and 2282 01:48:13.520 --> 01:48:15.319 it gives it gives me a thing again. It's you know, 2283 01:48:15.760 --> 01:48:19.239 it's got those kind of like really soft, quiet, quite naive, 2284 01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:22.159 kind of like introspective kind of like guy writing in 2285 01:48:22.199 --> 01:48:25.119 these diary like sort of moments. It's got kind of 2286 01:48:25.119 --> 01:48:28.600 like spikier, angrier moments. It's like it kind of just 2287 01:48:29.079 --> 01:48:31.279 hits on all the things I want. And like seven 2288 01:48:31.399 --> 01:48:33.920 as an opener, it's kind of just like the perfect 2289 01:48:34.039 --> 01:48:36.039 kind of like entry point into what this kind of 2290 01:48:36.119 --> 01:48:39.359 like new world of second wave, Midwestern night or whatever 2291 01:48:39.359 --> 01:48:41.680 you want to label it as, that kind of world 2292 01:48:41.760 --> 01:48:44.399 of emo where it is got this like really bouncy, 2293 01:48:44.680 --> 01:48:47.800 dexterious rift. There's some actual bite to it. The drums 2294 01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:51.039 clatter about almost hilariously so on this album at times, 2295 01:48:51.119 --> 01:48:54.920 like and it's just like it's jagged and bitter, but 2296 01:48:55.039 --> 01:48:57.720 it's sad and like kind of like soft and tender 2297 01:48:57.720 --> 01:48:59.159 at the same time. And there are all the kind 2298 01:48:59.199 --> 01:49:01.359 of things when I for this sort of album, it 2299 01:49:01.479 --> 01:49:02.840 just hits with those sweet spots for me. 2300 01:49:03.319 --> 01:49:05.920 Yeah, Elliott, you've kind of said as much a half 2301 01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:07.680 of the times that this is probably similar to me 2302 01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:10.119 an album that you've heard and are aware of, but 2303 01:49:10.439 --> 01:49:11.239 not in heavy rotation. 2304 01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:14.640 Yeah, And I think it's just a matter of getting 2305 01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:17.159 to it slightly. I think that's really the only reason 2306 01:49:17.359 --> 01:49:20.479 for me. The wings of emo that I'm more interested 2307 01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:23.279 in are either the more abstract angular stuff, you know, 2308 01:49:23.399 --> 01:49:26.239 like American football, this Memberment Plan, camn Jazz, that sort 2309 01:49:26.279 --> 01:49:29.319 of thing, or the likes of Jimmy World Gets Up kids, 2310 01:49:29.359 --> 01:49:32.960 who I think have the best emo album maybe ever. 2311 01:49:34.439 --> 01:49:35.680 But what I do like about this one is the 2312 01:49:35.720 --> 01:49:39.159 way they're able to straddle those two things. Like they're 2313 01:49:39.279 --> 01:49:44.239 not strictly a meditative, soft kind of a bit more 2314 01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:46.520 experimental email band like some of the ones I mentioned, 2315 01:49:47.800 --> 01:49:49.600 but they do have that side to them, and they 2316 01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:53.560 also have really catchy songs. And I think that's maybe 2317 01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:56.560 why I was able to get to this sort of 2318 01:49:56.640 --> 01:50:01.079 later in life, because I think there's without talking it down, 2319 01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:02.760 I do think like some of the bands in this 2320 01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:05.079 scene and in stuff like pop punk, it is a 2321 01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:08.399 matter of you can miss the boat on them. I mean, like, 2322 01:50:08.399 --> 01:50:09.920 I can't imagine there many people who get into like 2323 01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:11.680 Blink on eight two in their thirties and they just 2324 01:50:11.680 --> 01:50:13.600 become one of their favorite bands. But it's like, if 2325 01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:15.520 you find them at the right time, they can be 2326 01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:17.880 one of your favorite bands forever. I kind of wondered 2327 01:50:17.880 --> 01:50:20.199 that because I only got into this record maybe like 2328 01:50:20.399 --> 01:50:22.399 five years ago. I think that's when I first checked out, 2329 01:50:22.399 --> 01:50:24.640 which was a while after I initially got into this 2330 01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:27.079 style of music. I kind of thought, oh, maybe I 2331 01:50:27.199 --> 01:50:29.399 just won't have formed the same attachment to it. And 2332 01:50:29.479 --> 01:50:33.600 that's not say I have, but I think I admire 2333 01:50:33.640 --> 01:50:36.960 this record a great deal, even if I don't reach 2334 01:50:37.039 --> 01:50:37.760 for it all that often. 2335 01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:42.159 Yeah, I think this is a record where it's one 2336 01:50:42.159 --> 01:50:43.840 of those where it's particularly if you are an emo 2337 01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:46.560 fan and maybe your primary listen to stuff from you 2338 01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:48.319 know that's like, you know, four or five years after 2339 01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:49.800 this and then going forward in the twenty fifth century, 2340 01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:51.039 it's be an alum where you go back to it 2341 01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:52.520 and go, oh, you know, this is almost like the 2342 01:50:52.600 --> 01:50:55.039 genesis of so much of that stuff. The flip sidea 2343 01:50:55.079 --> 01:50:57.600 is you know, you were saying the things you prefer 2344 01:50:57.680 --> 01:51:00.159 are almost like, you know, stuff that's kind of a 2345 01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:03.239 bit more, you know, kind of slightly avant gard leaning 2346 01:51:03.279 --> 01:51:05.439 about it, or stuff that is more direct and catchy 2347 01:51:05.479 --> 01:51:09.359 about it. I think this is an album which pioneers 2348 01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:15.840 things that arguably are improved and certainly advanced by some 2349 01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:17.399 of the stuff that comes after. And that's why again, 2350 01:51:17.439 --> 01:51:18.439 like I said, some of the bands, like you know, 2351 01:51:18.479 --> 01:51:20.039 whether it be a GM Meet World or you know, 2352 01:51:20.079 --> 01:51:21.880 a fucking Apple Sea Cast or whatever, like a few 2353 01:51:21.920 --> 01:51:23.640 years later, I think have advanced some of the stuff 2354 01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:27.119 that is on this record. And it's almost kind of 2355 01:51:27.199 --> 01:51:29.359 a record where I think it kind of like it 2356 01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:31.680 does what it needs to do in like the first 2357 01:51:31.960 --> 01:51:33.960 three four tracks and it's like the first like three 2358 01:51:34.079 --> 01:51:37.960 songs you've almost got like these are templates for kinds 2359 01:51:37.960 --> 01:51:39.920 of emo song going forward, and then the rest of 2360 01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:42.039 the album just sort of like you know, just meander's 2361 01:51:42.039 --> 01:51:44.239 around a little bit, playing with you know, similar kinds 2362 01:51:44.239 --> 01:51:46.239 of ideas. I think this is a record that is 2363 01:51:47.479 --> 01:51:52.359 an undeniable classic record in terms of its like significance 2364 01:51:52.439 --> 01:51:55.800 and place on the timeline. I wouldn't say it's personally 2365 01:51:55.920 --> 01:51:59.479 close to being like the best emo record or a 2366 01:51:59.720 --> 01:52:02.239 mark piece of the genre. It's a landmark more than 2367 01:52:02.279 --> 01:52:04.520 it is a masterpiece, right, is that fair to say? 2368 01:52:04.680 --> 01:52:06.600 I mean that it's considered into its legscyo because mean 2369 01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:08.600 that's correct. There are like things that this album lays 2370 01:52:08.640 --> 01:52:11.159 out that bands do. They go on to write more 2371 01:52:11.239 --> 01:52:14.359 kind of like intricate songs, you know, like like except Miracle, 2372 01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:16.479 They're gonna do Never Meant, which like really plays with 2373 01:52:16.560 --> 01:52:18.960 the melodic guitar texts sort of stuff, and that whole 2374 01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:20.960 album where that goes into the weird kind of like 2375 01:52:21.600 --> 01:52:24.000 expand stuff with the trumpets and then you do get 2376 01:52:24.039 --> 01:52:27.319 you know, Jimmy well To on Cloudy start to get 2377 01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:28.920 there and then kind of like go full and like 2378 01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:31.680 we're writing the pop emo songs that can like and 2379 01:52:31.840 --> 01:52:33.520 like like gab Kids on something to write home about, 2380 01:52:33.560 --> 01:52:35.279 Like that is like that that paving bodyment of like 2381 01:52:35.720 --> 01:52:38.159 pop punk emo kind of just like writing hit songs. 2382 01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:41.199 But for me, this album, like it just feels it's 2383 01:52:41.239 --> 01:52:45.560 so important to like even again like the revival emo 2384 01:52:45.640 --> 01:52:47.800 of the of the tweety Tens, you don't get cover 2385 01:52:47.960 --> 01:52:52.279 without encircles, like like like any of that kind of 2386 01:52:52.359 --> 01:52:55.600 like outbreak adjacent emo sort of revival stuff that like 2387 01:52:55.800 --> 01:52:57.760 all that all of those sort of bands like Your 2388 01:52:57.800 --> 01:53:00.319 Basement g Title Fights sit as a and at that 2389 01:53:00.399 --> 01:53:03.800 point like they all so clearly worship out the order 2390 01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:06.760 of this album in particular and the things they borrow from. 2391 01:53:07.079 --> 01:53:09.800 And I agree, Like if you want to say, you know, 2392 01:53:10.279 --> 01:53:13.159 the first three songs in seven in Circles and Song 2393 01:53:13.199 --> 01:53:16.760 about an Angel kind of like just nail exactly what 2394 01:53:16.880 --> 01:53:18.880 this album is, and then you kind of get just 2395 01:53:19.239 --> 01:53:21.680 variants on those sort of sits themes for this album 2396 01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:23.399 for the most part. I mean, that's you know, a 2397 01:53:23.479 --> 01:53:26.279 fair assessment. But at the same time, I love that sound. 2398 01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:28.199 I can just you know, sit in it and just 2399 01:53:28.279 --> 01:53:29.960 be like, yeah, just give me more of that. Those 2400 01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:33.520 like those guitar parts, those like really lush sort of sounds, 2401 01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:35.960 the vocals where they're barely audible at times because he's 2402 01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:38.399 kind of just like whispering into the microphone. Yeah the boy, 2403 01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:40.479 he's gonna shout something out like a few seconds later, 2404 01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:42.560 like I'll just lap it all up. 2405 01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:43.600 Yeah, I agree. 2406 01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:45.640 I think I think the first like three four songs 2407 01:53:45.680 --> 01:53:48.760 on this are the essential, you know, landmark ones. But 2408 01:53:48.840 --> 01:53:51.680 the whole record is a like, you know, it's an 2409 01:53:51.760 --> 01:53:56.279 easy vibe because it is nailing I think the almost 2410 01:53:56.279 --> 01:53:58.479 more on the songwriting at times, it's nailing the atmosphere 2411 01:53:58.600 --> 01:54:00.720 and the mood of like, this is an email record? 2412 01:54:00.800 --> 01:54:03.840 Is I think like to compare it to another record 2413 01:54:03.880 --> 01:54:07.439 that isn't Blaze in the Northern Sky. That's why you 2414 01:54:07.479 --> 01:54:09.920 get me to talk about this shit. Well, that thing 2415 01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:11.920 you just said about it being sort of a ground 2416 01:54:12.000 --> 01:54:13.760 zero that you could take in either direction and maybe 2417 01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:16.600 it was improved upon that. It just sprungs to me 2418 01:54:16.680 --> 01:54:18.199 in my head. That's something a lot of people say 2419 01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:20.840 about the first Velva Underground record, which is another one 2420 01:54:20.880 --> 01:54:21.960 where you listen to it and go, how did that 2421 01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:24.640 come out in nineteen sixty seven? But again, it wasn't 2422 01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:27.239 a mega cellabet. There's that famous line where you know, 2423 01:54:28.159 --> 01:54:30.439 fifteen thousand people bought it, every single of them formed 2424 01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:32.840 a band, and it's like, that's either there rare Moones 2425 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:35.640 and the Stooges, or it's the stuff that like Scott 2426 01:54:35.680 --> 01:54:36.720 Walker would do later. 2427 01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:37.039 Like it. 2428 01:54:37.039 --> 01:54:40.479 There's two pads that go off that fork on that record, 2429 01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:43.399 and you can go either way. That kind of explains 2430 01:54:43.479 --> 01:54:45.680 how I feel about this record in the same way 2431 01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:48.359 where I don't put on that first Vela Underground record 2432 01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:50.640 and go what a bunch of bangers? Or isn't this 2433 01:54:50.720 --> 01:54:53.600 most mind bending music ever? You just go. This is 2434 01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:57.840 like the baking soda that goes into all these different recipes. 2435 01:54:58.079 --> 01:54:59.359 It's the same sort of thing where I go to 2436 01:54:59.439 --> 01:55:03.720 this and I I get a kind of I don't know, 2437 01:55:03.760 --> 01:55:07.560 it's like some sort of subconscious joy from hearing songs 2438 01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:10.960 that sound like other things I love, even if these 2439 01:55:11.039 --> 01:55:15.119 aren't my favorite examples of those songs. No, yes, certainly. 2440 01:55:15.159 --> 01:55:18.279 And I do think, you know, a very significant moment 2441 01:55:18.319 --> 01:55:20.119 in itself for Emo is you know, the lead off 2442 01:55:20.239 --> 01:55:24.079 track seven being like you know, MTV airplayed and stuff. 2443 01:55:24.119 --> 01:55:26.680 Because like I said, this is it's essentially grunge era 2444 01:55:26.800 --> 01:55:27.560 that this is released in. 2445 01:55:27.720 --> 01:55:28.560 Right, People on. 2446 01:55:28.720 --> 01:55:32.000 Masks don't really know what Emo is, right, It's more 2447 01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:34.800 just like this is a part of the alternative rock 2448 01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:37.600 boom where the industry are kind of you know, sniffing 2449 01:55:37.640 --> 01:55:39.560 around anything with a plaid shirt or and a guitar. 2450 01:55:39.720 --> 01:55:41.239 I mean, like this is on you know, zub Pop, 2451 01:55:41.359 --> 01:55:43.880 like the og you know, like Nirvana grunge label, and 2452 01:55:44.119 --> 01:55:46.680 it's a real sort of trojan horse to have, like 2453 01:55:46.720 --> 01:55:50.760 you know, this flagship track for this particular underground movement 2454 01:55:51.560 --> 01:55:53.640 getting in the door there as part of the old 2455 01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:55.680 rock thing. You know, that video must have been so 2456 01:55:55.800 --> 01:55:59.159 many people's exposure to something sounding like this, and then 2457 01:55:59.199 --> 01:56:01.920 god knows how many people who saw that video will 2458 01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:05.079 then be there ready for when like the Promise Ring 2459 01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:06.960 or whatever then drop their debut album. 2460 01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:07.520 Like a year or two later. 2461 01:56:08.319 --> 01:56:08.479 Yeah. 2462 01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:10.119 So I mean I think like it's it's it's a 2463 01:56:10.199 --> 01:56:13.119 great kind of like perpose en capcation of like having 2464 01:56:13.159 --> 01:56:15.239 a like, honest, Sam, it's the only song that sort 2465 01:56:15.239 --> 01:56:17.600 of like it as like pure single material, like you 2466 01:56:17.640 --> 01:56:20.520 can say in Circles as well, but like seven is 2467 01:56:20.600 --> 01:56:22.199 something that you could just sort of sly, Yeah, this 2468 01:56:22.319 --> 01:56:23.079 can slot. 2469 01:56:22.880 --> 01:56:23.800 Into the MTV. 2470 01:56:24.159 --> 01:56:27.000 It could be a bit like yeah, like because it 2471 01:56:27.119 --> 01:56:29.920 is you know, it is bouncy, it's got a chorus 2472 01:56:30.079 --> 01:56:33.000 that you taste it. Yeah, it's got all those sort 2473 01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:35.239 of elements. So it kind of works on that, and 2474 01:56:35.319 --> 01:56:36.920 it's this great kind of like foot in the door 2475 01:56:37.039 --> 01:56:38.680 moment sort of like if you can go on board 2476 01:56:38.680 --> 01:56:41.319 of this comes to some because then I think the 2477 01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:42.880 scenes in the album's brilliant because you get that and 2478 01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:46.199 then you get in Circles, which like that's where it 2479 01:56:46.199 --> 01:56:47.600 gets more into the proper sor. 2480 01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:50.640 Of emo thing. You get that big, bright emo riff. 2481 01:56:50.680 --> 01:56:53.880 It's got that just like perfect low energy vibe of 2482 01:56:54.039 --> 01:56:57.479 like being quite so laid back but sounding Huges and 2483 01:56:57.520 --> 01:56:59.479 I was just like, ah, the nineties it was just 2484 01:56:59.560 --> 01:57:02.600 so good. You get the twinkling guitar parts and and 2485 01:57:02.920 --> 01:57:05.960 and like big answer chorus, and so you kind of 2486 01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:08.199 it's like if you gumble with them, then you're you're 2487 01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:10.119 you're well into the world of the record at that point. 2488 01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:12.680 So that's when you then get to song about an Angel, 2489 01:57:12.720 --> 01:57:14.880 where you're you're fully in on the sort of the 2490 01:57:14.960 --> 01:57:16.359 Emo inspection by that point. 2491 01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:17.840 Yeah, well, I mean like you're just sort of saying, 2492 01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:19.960 you know, the first three songs are almost like these 2493 01:57:21.279 --> 01:57:23.760 kind of it's a it's a to do step down, 2494 01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:26.760 like it's it's a lesson in EMO. Right, It's like 2495 01:57:26.840 --> 01:57:30.119 these are three kind of templates of songs. But going 2496 01:57:30.159 --> 01:57:32.319 back to seven as the opening one and the kind 2497 01:57:32.319 --> 01:57:35.079 of the the single of the bunch. You know, it's 2498 01:57:35.079 --> 01:57:37.399 a great little song and you can hear, you know, 2499 01:57:37.680 --> 01:57:39.760 the links going back to the kind of again the 2500 01:57:39.880 --> 01:57:42.079 kind of Mackay stuff, you know, that sort of partner 2501 01:57:42.079 --> 01:57:44.920 pass away with Emo. But it also sounds, like I said, 2502 01:57:44.920 --> 01:57:46.560 a little bit like you know, feeder or something that's 2503 01:57:46.600 --> 01:57:51.079 gonna come and the the sort of you know, it's 2504 01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:53.279 not across the record really because it does, you know, 2505 01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:55.039 simmer down a lot more, but it's a kind of like, 2506 01:57:56.239 --> 01:57:59.319 you know, the urgency in that particular song. I can 2507 01:57:59.399 --> 01:58:02.439 hear Likeday's full collapse in that Yeah already like it's 2508 01:58:02.760 --> 01:58:04.880 seven years apart, but that might sort that song might 2509 01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:07.039 as well be the template for something like understanding in 2510 01:58:07.079 --> 01:58:08.720 a car crash, right, you just like you up the 2511 01:58:08.800 --> 01:58:11.880 heaviness of the intensity and it's a similar sort of attack. 2512 01:58:12.359 --> 01:58:14.880 And you've got you know, the unit are quite busy there. 2513 01:58:14.880 --> 01:58:16.520 You've got you know, Nate Mendel of course from the 2514 01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:18.800 Food Fighters is on bass for certainly the real Estate, 2515 01:58:19.000 --> 01:58:21.439 and the drummer William Goldsmith plays I think on some 2516 01:58:21.600 --> 01:58:22.720 of the color and the shape as well. 2517 01:58:22.840 --> 01:58:24.439 Yeah, you drum for Food Fighters for a litle bit 2518 01:58:24.479 --> 01:58:26.800 after this record when they briefly broke up, like yeah. 2519 01:58:26.680 --> 01:58:29.600 Which is the fun seattle you know, connection there isn't there, 2520 01:58:29.640 --> 01:58:31.640 but you know, and the emo guitars kind of go 2521 01:58:31.680 --> 01:58:34.079 into war with each other a little bit. It is 2522 01:58:34.199 --> 01:58:38.039 again that sort of tangible you know, Discord Records thing 2523 01:58:38.319 --> 01:58:41.920 that's kind of in a song like that it being 2524 01:58:42.039 --> 01:58:44.880 platformed at the same time as like grunge and pop 2525 01:58:44.920 --> 01:58:48.000 punk in nineteen ninety four, but there is Ian mackay 2526 01:58:48.439 --> 01:58:49.399 in that, you know, and that's. 2527 01:58:49.359 --> 01:58:52.079 Kind of it's sort of subversive. Yeah, and I think 2528 01:58:52.239 --> 01:58:54.800 you know, something like Round, which is the fourth of 2529 01:58:54.880 --> 01:58:58.159 the four songs we've sort of mentioned as setting the 2530 01:58:58.199 --> 01:59:01.800 template so far. Yeah, that kind of sets up the 2531 01:59:01.880 --> 01:59:05.119 whole wing of mathy angular email that I'm a bit 2532 01:59:05.159 --> 01:59:08.039 fan of. But in a way that's almost like nursery 2533 01:59:08.119 --> 01:59:12.640 rhyme simple, like it's it's really catchy, but they wrap 2534 01:59:12.680 --> 01:59:15.159 it up in a song that's quite obtuse. And one 2535 01:59:15.199 --> 01:59:17.760 of the most catchy things about the song is also 2536 01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:19.760 that weird Matthew riff that doesn't feel like it makes 2537 01:59:19.760 --> 01:59:23.520 any sense the first time you hear it. It's and 2538 01:59:23.680 --> 01:59:25.279 so many bands would just take that and go, right, 2539 01:59:25.319 --> 01:59:27.119 we'll do a career of that, like, well, we'll do 2540 01:59:27.720 --> 01:59:29.960 six seven albums doing that exact thing, thank you very much. 2541 01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:32.479 And yeah, it's a great example of it, and it's 2542 01:59:32.960 --> 01:59:34.880 really one of the only times they do it across 2543 01:59:34.920 --> 01:59:35.359 the record. 2544 01:59:35.840 --> 01:59:37.760 Yeah, it's funny you say that. I can totally hear like, 2545 01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:39.760 you know, like never meant or something coming when. 2546 01:59:39.680 --> 01:59:43.920 You hear the big like melodic, clean lead guitar part 2547 01:59:43.960 --> 01:59:45.880 that is kind of Mathian all over the place, but 2548 01:59:46.079 --> 01:59:48.399 super catchy and infectious like that. I mean, that song's 2549 01:59:48.399 --> 01:59:50.840 great even like like almost kind of like breakdown the 2550 01:59:50.920 --> 01:59:52.479 rift in there. It's again just sort of like type 2551 01:59:52.479 --> 01:59:54.399 back to the sort of like the post hardcore sort 2552 01:59:54.399 --> 01:59:57.359 of roots, but it's it's a really fun song round 2553 01:59:57.439 --> 02:00:00.960 despite being a weird, like kind of out there just 2554 02:00:01.000 --> 02:00:03.279 built on this like funky guitar line sort of thing. 2555 02:00:03.439 --> 02:00:05.119 Yeah, I mean, it's a song that adds a little 2556 02:00:05.159 --> 02:00:07.680 bit of kind of necessary pep into the record. Yeah, 2557 02:00:07.680 --> 02:00:10.560 I think at that point in time. But again, opening 2558 02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:12.079 with a kind of one two of like here is 2559 02:00:12.119 --> 02:00:16.000 your introduction to EMO. Basically seven into in Circles. Seven 2560 02:00:16.239 --> 02:00:19.840 is almost like an alternative rock banger. In Circles is 2561 02:00:19.960 --> 02:00:22.079 so fucking Emo. It's funny you mentioned cover and songs 2562 02:00:22.119 --> 02:00:23.439 like that because I can hear that you know, the 2563 02:00:23.560 --> 02:00:27.359 country to the circles, the very down troll exactly how 2564 02:00:27.439 --> 02:00:31.039 important is I guess so the vocalist Jeremy, how important 2565 02:00:31.119 --> 02:00:33.960 is it for some of the real Estate's identity and 2566 02:00:34.039 --> 02:00:36.920 also Emo as a whole that he can't really sing. 2567 02:00:37.840 --> 02:00:41.239 I love it those things again, like because he like 2568 02:00:41.479 --> 02:00:45.039 his streams are tuneless and kind of just like like, 2569 02:00:45.520 --> 02:00:47.199 I think it was great is doing this at the 2570 02:00:47.239 --> 02:00:49.319 same time as we're doing our part one Poison the 2571 02:00:49.359 --> 02:00:52.039 World Special. I thought the same again, how much of 2572 02:00:52.199 --> 02:00:56.119 this is on like those first two Poison the World records, 2573 02:00:56.119 --> 02:00:57.840 which again in a ton of like but it's that 2574 02:00:57.960 --> 02:01:01.560 same kind of like the weird kind of like sort 2575 02:01:01.560 --> 02:01:06.520 of timid singing, like awkward screams, and again like that 2576 02:01:06.640 --> 02:01:08.560 is part of it is because I think like emo 2577 02:01:08.640 --> 02:01:10.439 has to have a kind of every man qualities. You've 2578 02:01:10.479 --> 02:01:12.800 got to be relatable, you've got to feel like this 2579 02:01:12.920 --> 02:01:15.880 guy isn't necessarily a rockstay. He's just like an awkward 2580 02:01:15.920 --> 02:01:17.680 person who's picked up a guitar and kind of like 2581 02:01:18.199 --> 02:01:19.000 bearing his soul. 2582 02:01:19.119 --> 02:01:21.600 So when the singing isn't great, I fucking love it. 2583 02:01:21.720 --> 02:01:25.439 I love the angsty chorus, the weird just kind of 2584 02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:30.039 like they're like that God, it's. 2585 02:01:29.920 --> 02:01:32.079 All over the place, like there were songs and something 2586 02:01:32.079 --> 02:01:35.520 that I would describe as like brilliantly tuneless, like and 2587 02:01:35.600 --> 02:01:37.319 it's all part of the magic of the record for me. 2588 02:01:37.840 --> 02:01:40.720 Yeah, I mean the fact that the call and response 2589 02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:43.640 again imagining seeing this outbreak or something you almost can't 2590 02:01:43.680 --> 02:01:46.640 imagine people singing along to in circles, even though it's 2591 02:01:46.680 --> 02:01:48.680 like one of their you know, very very biggest songs, 2592 02:01:48.720 --> 02:01:51.720 But it does work in that particular instance, you know. 2593 02:01:52.640 --> 02:01:54.359 And then you know, we just took a round off 2594 02:01:54.399 --> 02:01:56.239 the first three because we mentioned them. Song about an 2595 02:01:56.279 --> 02:02:00.439 Angel is where you've had in circles, which is a 2596 02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:03.239 bit more kind of abstract than you know seven. Song 2597 02:02:03.279 --> 02:02:05.039 about an Angel is where you go, okay, like this 2598 02:02:05.800 --> 02:02:07.760 this is its own genre now, you know, like that 2599 02:02:07.880 --> 02:02:10.920 can't be grunged. That's not really post hardcore. It's almost 2600 02:02:11.000 --> 02:02:13.800 wholly excised the kind of urgency of post hardcore, and 2601 02:02:14.000 --> 02:02:16.600 it's excited the you know, immediate sort of rock structures 2602 02:02:16.640 --> 02:02:19.920 of grundeor alternative rock. This is just gonna wander right. 2603 02:02:20.319 --> 02:02:22.760 The guitar on that doesn't even really play a riff. 2604 02:02:22.880 --> 02:02:25.439 It's just going to sort of float around itself. Our 2605 02:02:25.520 --> 02:02:28.079 singer is barely going to form his vocal line into 2606 02:02:28.119 --> 02:02:30.680 anything coherent or driving. You know. It's just a song 2607 02:02:30.760 --> 02:02:34.000 for wistfully staring up into the clouds. And that particular 2608 02:02:34.079 --> 02:02:36.359 sensation is nothing but emo, you know, and that's not 2609 02:02:36.439 --> 02:02:39.479 necessary to criticize the song. It's quite a compelling piece 2610 02:02:39.520 --> 02:02:42.319 of music. It's just a very again nineteen eighty four, 2611 02:02:42.319 --> 02:02:45.840 a very unique kind of idiosyncratic mood at that point 2612 02:02:45.880 --> 02:02:47.520 in time. But you do imagine that if someone had 2613 02:02:47.520 --> 02:02:49.479 bought this album here in seven on the TV and 2614 02:02:49.520 --> 02:02:52.720 then it opens with you know that in Circles, and 2615 02:02:52.720 --> 02:02:54.680 by the time you've read song about an Angel, it's 2616 02:02:54.720 --> 02:02:57.880 like an over six minute long just drawn out kind 2617 02:02:57.920 --> 02:03:02.119 of slowly, you know, just slow bleeding of feeling more 2618 02:03:02.199 --> 02:03:03.680 than really a conventional rock song. 2619 02:03:03.720 --> 02:03:05.119 It's quite a statement at that point in time. 2620 02:03:05.359 --> 02:03:05.840 I mean, that's it. 2621 02:03:06.000 --> 02:03:07.640 I mean, like someone the Angels always like the test 2622 02:03:07.720 --> 02:03:10.439 on this album is like the sort of step towards it. 2623 02:03:10.520 --> 02:03:12.560 But then this a bit where, like I say, softly 2624 02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:15.680 strums are very pretty delicate guitars that you would not 2625 02:03:15.760 --> 02:03:20.439 associate with rock music in the slightest like fuzzed up 2626 02:03:20.560 --> 02:03:25.079 dreamy chorus again, like Job's he's struggling to not go 2627 02:03:25.279 --> 02:03:28.800 mental on this song. He is like trying to play 2628 02:03:28.840 --> 02:03:30.840 as reserved as the rest of the band are, which 2629 02:03:30.880 --> 02:03:33.720 again kind of adds to the slightly ramshackle charm to 2630 02:03:33.800 --> 02:03:35.880 this record that there is at points, but it does 2631 02:03:36.000 --> 02:03:38.640 and then again when it does finally build to that 2632 02:03:38.800 --> 02:03:41.520 big woe and the song actually does pick up, it 2633 02:03:41.600 --> 02:03:44.520 feels like one of those like real like ah, there 2634 02:03:44.560 --> 02:03:47.119 it is, moment after you've kind of like drifted along 2635 02:03:47.159 --> 02:03:51.000 in the kind of like sad introspection. This to me 2636 02:03:51.159 --> 02:03:52.560 is like, well, I'm like, ah, there isn't a better 2637 02:03:52.600 --> 02:03:53.880 sound than this when it is when it's when it 2638 02:03:54.000 --> 02:03:56.399 hits right. And again, I know for a lot of people, 2639 02:03:56.439 --> 02:03:59.239 this might be just boring song that kind of goes nowhere, 2640 02:03:59.279 --> 02:04:01.560 But for me, it kind of just nails so many 2641 02:04:01.600 --> 02:04:03.680 of those sort of things out like what I would 2642 02:04:03.720 --> 02:04:05.000 want this kind of emo. 2643 02:04:04.880 --> 02:04:05.439 To sound like. 2644 02:04:06.720 --> 02:04:08.880 And I think like it sets up the formula of 2645 02:04:09.560 --> 02:04:11.359 like you say, they're kind of wandering, soft thing that 2646 02:04:11.960 --> 02:04:15.119 it does build, but in quite a sussleway. It doesn't 2647 02:04:15.119 --> 02:04:18.119 build these crashing, deafiniting crescendos like other bands would do 2648 02:04:18.159 --> 02:04:20.279 and like they would do later in the record. I 2649 02:04:21.319 --> 02:04:22.920 you know, you listen to a song like that and 2650 02:04:23.039 --> 02:04:27.239 you go, maybe American football weren't that groundbreaking? Like that 2651 02:04:27.359 --> 02:04:29.760 thing we're saying about that record where it's amazing how 2652 02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:32.279 little music there is on it. It's amazing how sparse 2653 02:04:32.359 --> 02:04:34.119 that record is, considering it's so close connected to the 2654 02:04:34.119 --> 02:04:37.760 hardcore scene. Song about an Angel, it sets up that 2655 02:04:37.880 --> 02:04:41.079 style of songwriting. It kind of creates a roadmap for 2656 02:04:41.199 --> 02:04:45.359 that kind of emo, which considering it's also one of 2657 02:04:45.399 --> 02:04:48.239 the most popular songs this band has ever made, and 2658 02:04:48.359 --> 02:04:51.359 that is a deliberately ob choose form of music. Sometimes 2659 02:04:51.920 --> 02:04:53.119 I just find that really interesting. 2660 02:04:53.640 --> 02:04:55.880 Yeah, although it is just worse dating email as record 2661 02:04:56.039 --> 02:04:58.720 is not interested in, you know, fucking having people skank 2662 02:04:58.760 --> 02:05:01.399 into it or whatever. I'm not really a huge American 2663 02:05:01.439 --> 02:05:03.680 football guy, and I do find it largely just sort 2664 02:05:03.720 --> 02:05:06.279 of like, you know, almost just background music. It really 2665 02:05:06.560 --> 02:05:08.279 some of the red of the State. They do have 2666 02:05:08.359 --> 02:05:09.920 that bit of again, the bits where he goes into 2667 02:05:09.920 --> 02:05:11.840 the yelpie kind of a you know, there are there 2668 02:05:11.920 --> 02:05:13.760 are moments of kind of crunching heaviness on it that 2669 02:05:13.760 --> 02:05:16.840 aren't it's not completely absent of that. It's just the 2670 02:05:16.880 --> 02:05:19.600 songs themselves are not urgent, and the whole album is 2671 02:05:19.680 --> 02:05:22.279 kind of rickety, like it feels almost like skelet to it. 2672 02:05:22.399 --> 02:05:24.680 It's it's like a rock album again, you know, nineteen 2673 02:05:24.680 --> 02:05:27.359 eighth or Seattle whatever that's been like hollowed out and 2674 02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:31.800 left this sort of like awkward droning shuffle, Like, yeah, 2675 02:05:31.880 --> 02:05:34.600 Grendel is barely a song. It's almost it feels like 2676 02:05:34.640 --> 02:05:36.840 an instrumental that happens to have a vocal hook in 2677 02:05:36.880 --> 02:05:39.760 the middle of it. Like it's really stripped apart and 2678 02:05:39.840 --> 02:05:43.239 bizarre and quite experimental. And it happens, you know, in 2679 02:05:43.279 --> 02:05:46.279 threequently you have, you know, songs that do feel like 2680 02:05:46.319 --> 02:05:49.279 they almost could be this could be a sunny day 2681 02:05:49.479 --> 02:05:52.439 you know, radio song if you wanted it to be, 2682 02:05:52.800 --> 02:05:55.600 but they've depressed it into this little hole. And then 2683 02:05:55.640 --> 02:05:57.840 that almost loops around to being like the cell and 2684 02:05:57.920 --> 02:06:00.000 the appeal because it is quite pretty and quite heartfelt, 2685 02:06:00.680 --> 02:06:01.159 well I mean. 2686 02:06:01.079 --> 02:06:02.800 Like Brenda wal because that's when it almost it does 2687 02:06:02.840 --> 02:06:05.640 almost get a little darker and kind of like the 2688 02:06:05.720 --> 02:06:08.039 sort of the experimentation, like the sort of the layering 2689 02:06:08.119 --> 02:06:11.319 of the vocals and the atmosphere's syfetuches. Where again that 2690 02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:13.520 is something a little bit different to the kind of 2691 02:06:13.640 --> 02:06:16.720 like quiet minimalism of a bunch of the songs that 2692 02:06:16.760 --> 02:06:20.000 have come before. It's say like Shadows, which is you 2693 02:06:20.079 --> 02:06:22.399 get like really sorrowful, delicate fit and then you get 2694 02:06:22.439 --> 02:06:25.319 this kind of like post hard corruption and that that 2695 02:06:25.439 --> 02:06:27.199 dynamic push and Paul is one of the things that 2696 02:06:27.199 --> 02:06:29.319 I love about the record. But Brenda was kind of 2697 02:06:29.399 --> 02:06:31.520 just like purely just kind of living in this kind 2698 02:06:31.520 --> 02:06:35.840 of like weird, like atmospheric minimalism that that that gives 2699 02:06:35.880 --> 02:06:37.359 it like a very distinct favor on the. 2700 02:06:37.359 --> 02:06:38.279 Song on the record. 2701 02:06:38.439 --> 02:06:40.279 And then you your stuff like the Blankets were the 2702 02:06:40.319 --> 02:06:42.840 stairs as well, which has like acoustic guitars looped in, 2703 02:06:43.039 --> 02:06:44.520 and you can think again, you know, it's the same 2704 02:06:44.560 --> 02:06:46.479 time that Navana and Allison Chains and stuff are doing. 2705 02:06:46.520 --> 02:06:49.279 There's like grungey acoustic songs, but this doesn't feel like 2706 02:06:50.159 --> 02:06:52.600 all apologies or the Jar of Flip or whatever. It's 2707 02:06:52.600 --> 02:06:54.399 almost again a little bit more sort of sitting back 2708 02:06:54.439 --> 02:06:56.680 in the way that you know, the post rock kind 2709 02:06:56.680 --> 02:06:58.319 of stuff that's associated with emo sort of is. 2710 02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:00.960 I mean that song really my mids me of something 2711 02:07:01.000 --> 02:07:02.760 that turns in like the second half of the Siamese 2712 02:07:02.840 --> 02:07:06.760 Dream Like. It has a really appealing melody, the arrangement's great, 2713 02:07:07.239 --> 02:07:09.079 but the thing you were saying about it feeling kind 2714 02:07:09.079 --> 02:07:11.399 of hollowed out. The song does sound slightly broken in 2715 02:07:11.479 --> 02:07:13.680 the in this that it feels like it's players never 2716 02:07:13.720 --> 02:07:17.720 really get their mojo, and I can only assume that's deliberate. 2717 02:07:18.039 --> 02:07:19.680 I mean, it's just part of like Emo, isn't it 2718 02:07:19.800 --> 02:07:21.039 like or they're going for at the time. 2719 02:07:21.680 --> 02:07:23.399 Yeah, and it does. It's it makes it a really 2720 02:07:23.399 --> 02:07:27.039 interesting record because the band sounds shy but almost fearless 2721 02:07:27.199 --> 02:07:29.600 as songwriters and like willing to do weird things. Because 2722 02:07:29.600 --> 02:07:31.479 then you get something like I don't know how you 2723 02:07:31.600 --> 02:07:38.239 say this flirton squirto yeah yeah, which i'd sort of 2724 02:07:39.119 --> 02:07:41.760 as far as an idea for a song goes a 2725 02:07:41.920 --> 02:07:45.199 jazz piano loop that this guy who can't really sing 2726 02:07:46.039 --> 02:07:49.319 mumbles over, barely getting the words out. It's the sort 2727 02:07:49.359 --> 02:07:52.000 of thing that could derail a record, but I think, hey, 2728 02:07:52.079 --> 02:07:54.479 I think it sets up Shadows really well. But it 2729 02:07:54.640 --> 02:07:58.119 plays into that feeling of I don't want to say weakness, 2730 02:07:58.199 --> 02:08:02.199 but that's it's a strange thing this where it sounds 2731 02:08:02.680 --> 02:08:05.680 unconfident and they're willing to try things that are that unusual. 2732 02:08:06.279 --> 02:08:08.560 And then you've got a lot of the following songs 2733 02:08:08.640 --> 02:08:10.920 kind of you know, like shadows or closes sometimes whenever 2734 02:08:10.960 --> 02:08:14.840 they are that kind of slow spinning in circles sort 2735 02:08:14.840 --> 02:08:17.239 of you know Emo days that again, I associate so 2736 02:08:17.439 --> 02:08:21.359 many songs I guess doing that and sounding like what 2737 02:08:21.560 --> 02:08:23.680 they you know, sort of set out I think, you know, 2738 02:08:24.560 --> 02:08:28.079 seven and in circles are you know, great songs and 2739 02:08:28.159 --> 02:08:31.199 those are your kind of era defining songs to a degree. 2740 02:08:31.239 --> 02:08:33.600 In terms of this, having those few that really they 2741 02:08:33.800 --> 02:08:36.319 set up basically everything you need to note about Emo. 2742 02:08:36.399 --> 02:08:38.279 You know, here are the tools. I think it is a. 2743 02:08:38.279 --> 02:08:41.439 Record that then gives those tools to stuff that you 2744 02:08:41.520 --> 02:08:46.399 know kind of runs with it. But this, I think 2745 02:08:46.640 --> 02:08:49.640 this is the definitive nineties EMO record in my mind, 2746 02:08:49.960 --> 02:08:52.800 even if it's not even the best one of that 2747 02:08:52.800 --> 02:08:54.520 particular decade. I think, like, I don't think this is 2748 02:08:54.720 --> 02:08:57.319 one of those inarguable you know, it's not rust in 2749 02:08:57.359 --> 02:09:00.600 peace right, It's not one of those like makes it 2750 02:09:00.680 --> 02:09:03.720 into the cannon of like objects of perfection rock records ever, 2751 02:09:04.600 --> 02:09:07.880 But it is you know, kind of like Elliotts saying, 2752 02:09:08.000 --> 02:09:10.760 being bold enough to go into this sort of unrefined 2753 02:09:10.880 --> 02:09:15.119 imperfection for a fifty two minute record or something. The 2754 02:09:15.159 --> 02:09:17.159 song craft can be kind of quite ponderous, but the 2755 02:09:17.680 --> 02:09:22.319 radical invention of sound and mood is vitally you know, 2756 02:09:22.680 --> 02:09:25.439 important and I think that's what's what's remarkable about this, Like, 2757 02:09:25.439 --> 02:09:29.319 you know, it's not the most listenable rock old rock 2758 02:09:29.359 --> 02:09:32.319 album of this time in terms of, you know, the 2759 02:09:32.399 --> 02:09:34.439 first couple of songs aside, it's obvious that this was 2760 02:09:34.560 --> 02:09:37.760 never going to become a blockbuster like never Mind or 2761 02:09:38.199 --> 02:09:40.079 The Color and the Shape or Bleed American. I mean, 2762 02:09:40.159 --> 02:09:43.159 like even Pinkerton, right, Pinkerton is like probably uglier and 2763 02:09:43.279 --> 02:09:45.600 it's its own weird way, more difficult to listen to. 2764 02:09:45.720 --> 02:09:48.800 But Rivers still knows his way around a melodic has 2765 02:09:48.840 --> 02:09:49.920 more catchy songs than. 2766 02:09:51.680 --> 02:09:52.920 Than most people do. 2767 02:09:53.039 --> 02:09:55.640 That this kind of actively shuns that after it's got 2768 02:09:55.680 --> 02:09:58.159 seven out of the way, and so, like you know, personally, 2769 02:09:58.199 --> 02:09:59.680 my interest does weighing a little bit in the album 2770 02:09:59.680 --> 02:10:02.800 that goes, But it's kind of the radical dir giness 2771 02:10:02.920 --> 02:10:06.399 of it that fields quite anti commercial that helps make 2772 02:10:06.439 --> 02:10:09.439 it really pivotal. It's an album that again it provides 2773 02:10:09.479 --> 02:10:13.359 those tools, and I think like Static Prevails by Jimmy 2774 02:10:13.439 --> 02:10:16.199 World a year or two later is almost like what 2775 02:10:16.319 --> 02:10:20.279 if we had those stargazy vibes of Diary with a 2776 02:10:20.319 --> 02:10:22.119 whole track list of songs that are as catchy as 2777 02:10:22.560 --> 02:10:26.399 seven is, But you know, on like vibes alone, convincing 2778 02:10:26.479 --> 02:10:29.640 an entire subgenre basically to copy them. Yeah, this album 2779 02:10:29.840 --> 02:10:35.279 is mercurial definitely and earns its place in you know, 2780 02:10:35.359 --> 02:10:37.760 the kind of the probably more than they even now 2781 02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:40.039 are actually you know, because they're playing Outbreak they don't 2782 02:10:40.039 --> 02:10:43.079 even headline it, right, that's so important. 2783 02:10:43.399 --> 02:10:44.840 Yeah, I think And again I think like a lot 2784 02:10:44.840 --> 02:10:46.600 of that does come down to this album. 2785 02:10:46.680 --> 02:10:48.560 Like again, I like sort of the albums that follow 2786 02:10:48.600 --> 02:10:50.600 because but I think none of them feel always kind 2787 02:10:50.640 --> 02:10:54.159 of like essential to the fabric of the sort of 2788 02:10:54.199 --> 02:10:56.439 the genre as Diary is. 2789 02:10:56.520 --> 02:10:58.920 I don't know if I've heard many people ever speak 2790 02:10:58.920 --> 02:10:59.960 about anything non Diary. 2791 02:11:00.479 --> 02:11:03.560 People do like it, the real like diehard fans will 2792 02:11:03.600 --> 02:11:05.560 tell you that the other stuff is right fucking great, 2793 02:11:05.600 --> 02:11:08.800 But Diary is one where, like again, even like is 2794 02:11:08.840 --> 02:11:10.840 cross through more casual kind of listeners because it is 2795 02:11:11.600 --> 02:11:13.840 just an important kind of like sacred text in the 2796 02:11:13.880 --> 02:11:15.399 formation of what EMO is. 2797 02:11:15.920 --> 02:11:19.039 Yeah, the blaze in the northern sky of second wave 2798 02:11:19.199 --> 02:11:23.159 nineties emo, and with that extreme connection in our minds, 2799 02:11:23.199 --> 02:11:26.840 we'll go into our fourth and final album, Club, which 2800 02:11:26.880 --> 02:11:29.439 has not come from nineties Norwegian black metal. It comes 2801 02:11:29.479 --> 02:11:33.079 from Gorguts and their album Colored Sand. We are ending 2802 02:11:33.359 --> 02:11:37.399 on one of the kind of legendary, pivotal, influential bands 2803 02:11:37.439 --> 02:11:41.640 of nineties North American death metal. They're French Canadian this time, 2804 02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:43.399 rather than you know, New York or Florida but that 2805 02:11:43.520 --> 02:11:47.039 era of bands. But rather than one of their og 2806 02:11:47.239 --> 02:11:48.920 classics from that time, as we often tend to do, 2807 02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:52.159 we are looking at a twenty first century masterpiece, which 2808 02:11:52.239 --> 02:11:53.880 I guess just allows us to have a slightly different 2809 02:11:53.880 --> 02:11:57.000 conversation with this one. Elliott, you brought up Gorguts, who 2810 02:11:57.039 --> 02:11:59.760 did suggest we do Obscurer, which is the game changing one. 2811 02:12:00.319 --> 02:12:02.880 I switched in Colored Sand because I think in some ways, 2812 02:12:03.000 --> 02:12:05.199 I think it's even more impressive what they managed to 2813 02:12:05.439 --> 02:12:07.199 put together here, and I think it just it connects 2814 02:12:07.239 --> 02:12:09.560 to our our present a little more immediately, I guess. 2815 02:12:10.000 --> 02:12:13.880 But Gorguts, this album in particular, coming out, I think 2816 02:12:13.920 --> 02:12:16.640 of as being quite a significant moment for I guess 2817 02:12:16.720 --> 02:12:19.479 like our generation of death metal fans. But in general, 2818 02:12:19.680 --> 02:12:21.079 how did you come to them and how do you 2819 02:12:21.159 --> 02:12:22.399 generally sort of rate Gorguts? 2820 02:12:23.920 --> 02:12:26.960 I fucking love Gorguts. I feel like I probably got 2821 02:12:27.000 --> 02:12:28.600 into the way a lot of people have is the 2822 02:12:28.640 --> 02:12:31.479 sort of post goodjear a thing where people in the 2823 02:12:31.560 --> 02:12:33.920 know would say, oh that these these rifts sound like 2824 02:12:34.000 --> 02:12:36.640 Gorguts rifts. I've got here, got hear this bad. And 2825 02:12:36.680 --> 02:12:39.039 then I went and heard Obscura, which I made the 2826 02:12:39.079 --> 02:12:43.199 connection is obviously the name of a very impressive technical 2827 02:12:43.239 --> 02:12:45.880 death metal band from who a real moment at the 2828 02:12:45.920 --> 02:12:48.000 early twenty ten. So it was all it was all 2829 02:12:48.039 --> 02:12:49.640 lining up in my head. And then I heard that 2830 02:12:49.760 --> 02:12:52.319 first rift and I went, what the fuck is that? 2831 02:12:53.760 --> 02:12:55.359 Just in case we do talk about the record another time, 2832 02:12:55.359 --> 02:12:56.520 we're going to it too, which but one of the 2833 02:12:56.680 --> 02:13:04.520 most baffling opening riffs on a metal record, and it 2834 02:13:04.680 --> 02:13:06.800 was I was gonna saying love at first listen, I 2835 02:13:06.800 --> 02:13:09.800 don't know about that. Maybe love at twenty third listen, 2836 02:13:09.840 --> 02:13:14.039 we'll say. Eventually I cracked it, and I became slightly obsessed, 2837 02:13:14.159 --> 02:13:16.520 and we talked about this a lot. But this was 2838 02:13:16.560 --> 02:13:19.279 a good time, like the early twenty tens, for like 2839 02:13:19.680 --> 02:13:22.720 great death metal bands, classic death metal bands either putting 2840 02:13:22.720 --> 02:13:25.640 out some of their best material or coming back and 2841 02:13:25.760 --> 02:13:27.720 being really good, to the point where I just sort 2842 02:13:27.760 --> 02:13:30.119 of took it for granted that I would get into 2843 02:13:30.159 --> 02:13:32.520 a band. And then six months later then have a 2844 02:13:32.560 --> 02:13:34.079 new album out. I was like, oh, this is just 2845 02:13:34.159 --> 02:13:36.720 how it works, man, that's cool. And I look back 2846 02:13:36.760 --> 02:13:40.439 and think I should have cherished it more because it's 2847 02:13:40.800 --> 02:13:43.600 it's such a baffling time, bafflingly perfect time to get 2848 02:13:43.600 --> 02:13:48.319 into it and experience all these things. But of those 2849 02:13:48.399 --> 02:13:50.479 gorg Gots, if they weren't necessary, my favorite, they were 2850 02:13:50.520 --> 02:13:53.920 the one that I was most up on at the 2851 02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:55.560 time of this record coming out. 2852 02:13:56.079 --> 02:13:59.039 Right, Yeah, so this was this coming out was basically 2853 02:13:59.079 --> 02:14:00.800 sort of around the time that I started to you know, 2854 02:14:01.199 --> 02:14:04.039 become aware of Gorguts, and I think what you were 2855 02:14:04.039 --> 02:14:07.520 saying about the comebacks, this is almost the record that, like, 2856 02:14:07.600 --> 02:14:10.720 I think just started to make people believe that everything 2857 02:14:10.840 --> 02:14:13.279 was gonna work. You know, the Gorguts album is this good, 2858 02:14:13.399 --> 02:14:15.680 Everything's gonna be just we just have no reason to 2859 02:14:15.800 --> 02:14:18.760 question anymore that comeback albums are good. But you know, 2860 02:14:19.199 --> 02:14:21.239 to kind of earlier context or Gorguts, we are looking 2861 02:14:21.239 --> 02:14:25.960 at a band who drastically contributed to kind of rewiring 2862 02:14:26.439 --> 02:14:29.159 the headspace and language of death metal. They are a 2863 02:14:29.199 --> 02:14:31.159 band who we reference a lot when it comes to 2864 02:14:31.319 --> 02:14:34.039 the like technical and particularly kind of more avant guard 2865 02:14:34.199 --> 02:14:37.680 end of death metal, like when we have freaky, twisted 2866 02:14:37.760 --> 02:14:40.720 and dissonant death metal on the show. Gor Guts are 2867 02:14:40.720 --> 02:14:43.039 a name who you know, in that particular realm, they 2868 02:14:43.079 --> 02:14:45.319 will be dropped as much as like Morbid Angel or 2869 02:14:45.359 --> 02:14:47.359 Cannibal Corks would in like any other form of death metal. 2870 02:14:47.479 --> 02:14:50.399 Right Sam, you're you know, you've probably heard us say 2871 02:14:50.439 --> 02:14:53.319 the name a thousand times around albums that you find for. 2872 02:14:55.399 --> 02:14:58.119 Obviously like Shocker, this is the first Gorguts album I've 2873 02:14:58.119 --> 02:15:00.439 listened to. But I was always like, oh, oh my god, 2874 02:15:00.479 --> 02:15:03.119 this is all of those bands, like yeah, like I've 2875 02:15:03.159 --> 02:15:06.960 spent years hating, and twelve or so months, you know, 2876 02:15:07.239 --> 02:15:10.680 started to come round to like Interrama and if you're 2877 02:15:10.680 --> 02:15:12.399 a Triumphant and like all. 2878 02:15:12.319 --> 02:15:14.119 That was like, oh, yeah, no, they're Gorguts rifts. 2879 02:15:14.119 --> 02:15:18.119 They're playing those kind of like weird dissonance, sickly but 2880 02:15:18.239 --> 02:15:19.399 disgustingly heavy rifts. 2881 02:15:19.399 --> 02:15:21.239 So I was like, oh, that's that's the that's the 2882 02:15:21.359 --> 02:15:24.119 Colored Sands little rifts. They're right there, like cool. 2883 02:15:24.359 --> 02:15:26.439 Yeah, absolutely, this is one where you'll hear all of that. 2884 02:15:26.479 --> 02:15:28.239 And obviously this is you know, the comeback album, going 2885 02:15:28.600 --> 02:15:31.000 back to their original run. Their evolution is a really 2886 02:15:31.039 --> 02:15:33.359 interesting one in terms of listening to their albums in sequence, 2887 02:15:33.680 --> 02:15:36.920 they start off in the early nineties very heavily indebted 2888 02:15:36.960 --> 02:15:39.319 to death I think, and then they almost kind of 2889 02:15:39.359 --> 02:15:41.920 like speed run that sort of progressive evolution where like 2890 02:15:42.079 --> 02:15:45.039 the fact that they're called Gorguts immediately makes you think 2891 02:15:45.039 --> 02:15:46.920 that they're like a brutal death mate about a disgorge 2892 02:15:47.000 --> 02:15:51.000 or something, right, But they very quickly on those early 2893 02:15:51.159 --> 02:15:53.359 more old school leaning death metal records, the ones that 2894 02:15:53.439 --> 02:15:55.760 have like the Dan See Grave covers and stuff, they 2895 02:15:55.840 --> 02:15:59.039 make that kind of pretty slippery and pretty technical, but 2896 02:15:59.119 --> 02:16:01.479 it's almost like they get the party slightly too late 2897 02:16:01.479 --> 02:16:04.239 because they're hitting their creative peak in the kind of 2898 02:16:04.960 --> 02:16:08.359 mid to late nineties. When those early nineties death metal, 2899 02:16:08.479 --> 02:16:10.960 you know, it's kind of tailing off culturally, so they 2900 02:16:11.000 --> 02:16:12.680 go quiet for a bit. And then in nineteen ninety eight, 2901 02:16:13.000 --> 02:16:15.000 probably around one of the lowest periods for death metal 2902 02:16:15.039 --> 02:16:19.520 again culturally, they drop Obscurer, which is still to this 2903 02:16:19.680 --> 02:16:22.680 day bewildering, Like it's one of those albums that is 2904 02:16:23.079 --> 02:16:25.600 genuinely a little brain breaking when you hear it, Like 2905 02:16:25.760 --> 02:16:28.159 how in the hell did those rifts come to them? 2906 02:16:28.279 --> 02:16:31.039 You know, it's if you know people thought that death 2907 02:16:31.079 --> 02:16:34.159 metal invention was in kind of short supply and about 2908 02:16:34.159 --> 02:16:37.239 a decade at that point into the genre's lifespan. Everything 2909 02:16:37.440 --> 02:16:39.399 that you could do with those building blocks have been done. 2910 02:16:39.920 --> 02:16:45.040 They just absolutely just fuck it open like these a 2911 02:16:45.319 --> 02:16:49.200 tonal you know, discordant riffing style just breaks open the 2912 02:16:49.280 --> 02:16:51.159 confines of it. And this gives the kind of a 2913 02:16:51.200 --> 02:16:53.600 slightly more art house genre of end of the genre, 2914 02:16:53.639 --> 02:16:56.319 which we're very much again still feeling today, a whole 2915 02:16:56.479 --> 02:16:58.760 new kind of life span on its own. So why 2916 02:16:58.760 --> 02:17:02.280 aren't we doing Obscurer. It's such a headfuck. I think 2917 02:17:02.319 --> 02:17:05.120 it's quite heavy going, particularly for a newcomer. Right again, 2918 02:17:05.120 --> 02:17:07.520 you might hear thank you, Well, yeah, if you were 2919 02:17:07.559 --> 02:17:11.559 to someone Obscure, go have this. It's so complex and 2920 02:17:11.680 --> 02:17:15.520 dissonant and just a pile up of like warped broken. 2921 02:17:15.719 --> 02:17:17.040 It's a record, it's like an hour long when you 2922 02:17:17.079 --> 02:17:19.559 have to really untangle it. That's also true for this one. 2923 02:17:20.120 --> 02:17:22.040 But again there are different factors around this that'll kind 2924 02:17:22.040 --> 02:17:25.239 of come on to. But Gorguts, you know, they had 2925 02:17:25.280 --> 02:17:28.559 it in them to kind of just take that adventure 2926 02:17:28.959 --> 02:17:31.680 that they had an Obscurer and harness it. They make 2927 02:17:31.719 --> 02:17:33.840 one more record in the original run from Wisdom to Hate, 2928 02:17:33.920 --> 02:17:36.239 which is also wicked a little bit more accessible than Gadura, 2929 02:17:36.319 --> 02:17:40.639 but sorry, obscure even. But then they're done, and they're 2930 02:17:40.680 --> 02:17:42.440 one of those bands like at the Gates or like 2931 02:17:42.520 --> 02:17:44.479 Cynic or someone who make a very big impact on 2932 02:17:44.520 --> 02:17:47.440 the genre with a pretty small catalog, just a few 2933 02:17:47.520 --> 02:17:49.840 records that were there to go and be discovered. Then 2934 02:17:50.239 --> 02:17:53.680 twenty thirteen, suddenly we've got a new Gorguts record, and 2935 02:17:54.159 --> 02:17:55.840 what the hell could that sound like? You know, like, 2936 02:17:56.079 --> 02:17:57.319 what could they do with that? 2937 02:17:57.559 --> 02:17:58.600 Sound that? 2938 02:18:00.520 --> 02:18:02.440 And from Wisdom to Hate they already sound like they're 2939 02:18:02.440 --> 02:18:02.959 from the future. 2940 02:18:03.040 --> 02:18:05.280 What can they do with that? In the you know, 2941 02:18:05.319 --> 02:18:06.040 the twenty tens. 2942 02:18:06.840 --> 02:18:07.840 And this is where we come on to what you 2943 02:18:07.920 --> 02:18:09.559 were just saying, Eliot about kind of the hotbed of 2944 02:18:09.639 --> 02:18:13.479 extreme metal comeback albums that the early twenty tens were. 2945 02:18:14.719 --> 02:18:18.559 And there's this little pocket of there's Celtic Frosts in 2946 02:18:18.559 --> 02:18:20.319 the mid two thousands, which is almost like a few 2947 02:18:20.399 --> 02:18:22.360 years ahead of the game, harbinger of kind of setting 2948 02:18:22.399 --> 02:18:25.000 the standard for them. Then there's Autopsy a couple of 2949 02:18:25.040 --> 02:18:26.920 years kind of you know after that, which is just 2950 02:18:26.959 --> 02:18:30.840 a total joy, particularly concentrated around twenty thirteen twenty fourteen, 2951 02:18:31.479 --> 02:18:34.719 there's just a flood of them in particularly extreme underground metal, 2952 02:18:35.040 --> 02:18:37.399 where there's Surgical Steel in twenty thirteen, which is like 2953 02:18:37.479 --> 02:18:39.440 the blockbuster one, which it felt like people who don't 2954 02:18:39.440 --> 02:18:41.680 even really mainly listen to extreme metal were kind of 2955 02:18:41.719 --> 02:18:44.200 aware of Surgical Steel and how good it was. There's 2956 02:18:44.200 --> 02:18:46.000 the bunch that we did when our twenty fourteen special 2957 02:18:46.079 --> 02:18:47.879 last year without the Gates and God Flesh and the 2958 02:18:47.959 --> 02:18:51.159 I Hate God one as well, Like I said, Coloured Sands, 2959 02:18:51.159 --> 02:18:53.319 this is a release about a month before Surgical Steel. 2960 02:18:53.360 --> 02:18:55.159 What a fucking what a month that was for old 2961 02:18:55.200 --> 02:18:58.319 death metal. But in my memory, this is almost like 2962 02:18:58.360 --> 02:19:01.520 the album that kind of like it pushed the boulder 2963 02:19:01.600 --> 02:19:04.520 of elation down the hill, but then just kept rolling 2964 02:19:04.559 --> 02:19:06.360 and rolling through their albums like oh then the Circle 2965 02:19:06.360 --> 02:19:08.719 Steal happened, and then fucking you know, the Goldflesh album 2966 02:19:08.760 --> 02:19:10.639 was amazing and then a war reality came. It's it 2967 02:19:10.719 --> 02:19:13.680 just it kept going and going, and this one just 2968 02:19:13.760 --> 02:19:17.360 had this era of like, how in the fuck have Gorgut. 2969 02:19:16.920 --> 02:19:21.600 Has done this? Yeah, because I think Surgical Steel like 2970 02:19:21.760 --> 02:19:24.319 the beautiful thing about it, and one of the reasons 2971 02:19:24.319 --> 02:19:26.600 I love it so much. Is it really feels like 2972 02:19:27.120 --> 02:19:30.600 a victory lap for Carcass, Like just as a comparison 2973 02:19:31.360 --> 02:19:33.319 Swan Song, which is a record which again I love, 2974 02:19:33.680 --> 02:19:36.959 and I know it's not universally aclaimed, then coming back 2975 02:19:37.719 --> 02:19:40.120 very good, very good like them coming back and putting 2976 02:19:40.120 --> 02:19:44.440 out a record that combines so much of their best 2977 02:19:44.559 --> 02:19:48.079 stuff and just this unbelievable level of songwriting. 2978 02:19:48.479 --> 02:19:48.719 It was. 2979 02:19:49.360 --> 02:19:51.760 It kind of felt like, even if as much as 2980 02:19:51.760 --> 02:19:54.360 I'd want another Carcass record after that, if that was 2981 02:19:54.399 --> 02:19:57.079 all they ever did, you'd go fair enough. That's a 2982 02:19:57.159 --> 02:20:00.760 great bookend on that career. The Gorga thing did feel 2983 02:20:00.760 --> 02:20:04.280 a bit like, is there an unanswered question in the 2984 02:20:04.360 --> 02:20:06.840 previous catalog that we might be getting the answer to 2985 02:20:07.879 --> 02:20:13.200 fifteen years later? And I think of all those extreme 2986 02:20:13.200 --> 02:20:15.079 metal comebacks you were talking about earlier, and all the 2987 02:20:15.600 --> 02:20:18.040 classic bands like Dying Fecis, Cannibal Corps, nape On Death 2988 02:20:18.040 --> 02:20:23.760 putting out unbelievably good records, this is maybe the one 2989 02:20:23.879 --> 02:20:27.079 of all of them which seems to have the most 2990 02:20:27.799 --> 02:20:31.079 claimed to be the best by its artist. Where I agree, 2991 02:20:31.399 --> 02:20:35.319 over a decade later, it's not remotely unusual for people 2992 02:20:35.399 --> 02:20:38.920 to rank this as the best Gorgets record in a way, 2993 02:20:38.959 --> 02:20:41.479 where as brilliant as they are, it would be slightly 2994 02:20:41.479 --> 02:20:43.840 odd if someone said Surgical Still was the best Carcass record, 2995 02:20:44.239 --> 02:20:47.520 or Torch is the best Cannibal corpse record, or you know, 2996 02:20:47.719 --> 02:20:50.760 Utilitarians the best nap on death record. Those are some 2997 02:20:51.120 --> 02:20:53.319 of my face by all of those artists. But Colored 2998 02:20:53.399 --> 02:20:57.840 Sand seems to hold this place where it's maybe the 2999 02:20:58.000 --> 02:21:02.280 classic record by a band that already had made its mark. 3000 02:21:02.879 --> 02:21:05.200 Yeah, I think that this is the best Gorguts thing 3001 02:21:05.239 --> 02:21:06.600 that they've ever done, which is again why I was like, 3002 02:21:06.680 --> 02:21:09.000 that's kind of push the Colored Sands instead rather than 3003 02:21:09.040 --> 02:21:11.760 the you know, the original point of Obscure, which is 3004 02:21:11.840 --> 02:21:15.360 so scrunky and so just like completely innovative. But I 3005 02:21:15.440 --> 02:21:18.879 think in terms of like honing that into the best 3006 02:21:18.920 --> 02:21:22.399 thing in their catalog, and I think again the peer 3007 02:21:22.479 --> 02:21:25.520 in that regard is it's monotheist, right, like this is 3008 02:21:25.639 --> 02:21:26.959 those are the two where the band come back and 3009 02:21:27.000 --> 02:21:29.639 you go like, oh, this is It's not just like 3010 02:21:29.719 --> 02:21:31.600 you're saying a victory lap for at the Gates or 3011 02:21:31.639 --> 02:21:33.840 Carcass or whatever. This is like the album that you 3012 02:21:33.920 --> 02:21:36.159 were meant to make that you never got round to 3013 02:21:36.280 --> 02:21:40.600 do in the in the original run, it's an object 3014 02:21:40.639 --> 02:21:43.639 of genuine magnificence. This album like taking what you think 3015 02:21:43.680 --> 02:21:47.120 of as Gorguts that warped style and personality and baking 3016 02:21:47.200 --> 02:21:51.280 it into something that feels like truly majestic, where it's 3017 02:21:51.280 --> 02:21:54.399 an album that beyond pure discordant weirdness, also just has 3018 02:21:54.440 --> 02:22:00.920 like fucking aura. It's incredible colored sands Sam. Yeah, experience 3019 02:22:01.159 --> 02:22:06.239 with Gorguts, I know, right, I know, I've this is 3020 02:22:06.319 --> 02:22:09.280 the thing for fucking what twelve years now. I don't 3021 02:22:09.319 --> 02:22:13.639 completely understand it. It's so huge you've probably been listening 3022 02:22:13.680 --> 02:22:17.479 to like a few days. It's a lot, but you 3023 02:22:17.559 --> 02:22:18.639 can marvel at it, can't you. 3024 02:22:19.159 --> 02:22:20.840 So I was a bit like I was like a 3025 02:22:20.920 --> 02:22:27.399 twenty tens technical death metal album. Oh no, least favorite 3026 02:22:27.479 --> 02:22:31.159 like clinical Sheeny, lacking in any kind of like human 3027 02:22:31.319 --> 02:22:34.280 spirit personally too. I was so instant to hear play 3028 02:22:34.719 --> 02:22:36.719 and then this was like this was where I'd listened 3029 02:22:36.719 --> 02:22:38.479 to a note of this and knew anything about Gorguts. 3030 02:22:38.760 --> 02:22:40.559 I just was like I just had in my head. 3031 02:22:40.559 --> 02:22:43.319 I was like twenty tens tech deaf album of god. No, 3032 02:22:44.840 --> 02:22:49.000 this album rings of status, This album like it has this. 3033 02:22:49.159 --> 02:22:52.639 Is like majesty is the kind of like word or 3034 02:22:52.719 --> 02:22:55.760 like the great because this is is this slower than 3035 02:22:55.799 --> 02:23:00.079 Gorguts generally were, because like this is like the tempo. 3036 02:23:00.239 --> 02:23:01.280 Technical Death album. 3037 02:23:01.319 --> 02:23:06.840 It is quite a slow and like weirdly graceful album 3038 02:23:07.399 --> 02:23:10.559 while still just throwing at some of the most fucked up, twisted, 3039 02:23:10.639 --> 02:23:14.559 discordant rifts that you can possibly do, like like l 3040 02:23:15.239 --> 02:23:17.840 and like how you said, like immediately heres this like 3041 02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:21.319 barrage of insane rifts and then very quickly kind of 3042 02:23:21.399 --> 02:23:25.280 like moves into a kind of like quite measured and 3043 02:23:25.719 --> 02:23:29.280 progressive sort of sound. When it goes hard this album, 3044 02:23:29.360 --> 02:23:31.719 I'm immediately just get swept up in the sort of 3045 02:23:31.799 --> 02:23:33.840 the frosty of the rifts, and then I'll kind of 3046 02:23:33.840 --> 02:23:36.120 find bit so I kind of like just marvel at 3047 02:23:36.159 --> 02:23:38.719 the kind of like stature and majesty of the record. 3048 02:23:38.760 --> 02:23:41.120 I think it's like a real like again, I'm gonna 3049 02:23:41.159 --> 02:23:42.719 be wrapping my head around this. I'm like I'm a 3050 02:23:42.760 --> 02:23:44.600 couple of listens in and I'm sorry for you two 3051 02:23:44.600 --> 02:23:47.120 who've listening to this album for ten plush years. You've 3052 02:23:47.239 --> 02:23:50.040 like had everything, but like the sheer weight of the 3053 02:23:50.120 --> 02:23:54.159 intro to a nocean of wisdom. It's fucking crazy how 3054 02:23:54.319 --> 02:23:56.440 that song kind of just like you've had this amazing 3055 02:23:56.479 --> 02:23:59.319 opener and then that song just kind of comes crashing 3056 02:23:59.399 --> 02:24:01.799 down around you, and I'm just kind of like, what 3057 02:24:01.920 --> 02:24:03.159 am I fucking listening to here? 3058 02:24:03.159 --> 02:24:04.840 How do I actually like take all this in? 3059 02:24:05.360 --> 02:24:06.079 Yeah, it is. 3060 02:24:06.440 --> 02:24:08.520 When you say slower, it's an interesting point because I guess, 3061 02:24:08.719 --> 02:24:10.360 you know, because of it does like blast and stuff 3062 02:24:10.399 --> 02:24:13.440 like that, but in terms of like slowly metering out 3063 02:24:13.479 --> 02:24:14.719 its ideas album and. 3064 02:24:14.840 --> 02:24:17.440 Causing barrage with this contant, it does that in like 3065 02:24:17.520 --> 02:24:20.479 sort of short contained burst, but at hole it feels 3066 02:24:20.479 --> 02:24:21.159 like it kind. 3067 02:24:21.079 --> 02:24:24.399 Of a slower but more measured and like, yeah, like 3068 02:24:25.040 --> 02:24:27.520 not reserved, but kind of like fought four ward. It's 3069 02:24:27.600 --> 02:24:28.639 kind of delivery of that sort. 3070 02:24:28.479 --> 02:24:30.639 Of stuff absolutely, and that again, I think is part 3071 02:24:30.680 --> 02:24:32.440 of what makes this the particular album that it is 3072 02:24:32.520 --> 02:24:35.639 within the Gorguts kind of discography, and it's one of 3073 02:24:35.680 --> 02:24:38.280 the things that you know, we are talking about again 3074 02:24:38.520 --> 02:24:42.840 heavily technical, discordant, twisty death metal here. In the last 3075 02:24:42.920 --> 02:24:45.920 twelve years released since this album, there's been a lot 3076 02:24:45.920 --> 02:24:49.000 of stuff like that that's gained more you know, profile 3077 02:24:49.120 --> 02:24:53.079 or whatever. And I think it's the extremely few elite 3078 02:24:53.200 --> 02:24:57.639 bands who have managed to craft that general discordant, dissonant 3079 02:24:57.680 --> 02:25:00.440 whatever into these kind of larger albums states moments to 3080 02:25:00.559 --> 02:25:04.639 this degree. So I'm thinking obviously, like you know, Bloodynantation, obviously, yeah, 3081 02:25:04.840 --> 02:25:07.000 you know Imperio triumphant On, like an Alphavilla or a 3082 02:25:07.079 --> 02:25:10.000 gold Star Ulcer raight On, like Cutting the Throat of God. 3083 02:25:10.200 --> 02:25:13.920 Those absolutely yeah, those albums where you think about the 3084 02:25:14.000 --> 02:25:16.319 kind of the artistry of the whole and not just like, oh, 3085 02:25:16.559 --> 02:25:18.239 how kind of scrounky and fucked up are these sounds? 3086 02:25:19.559 --> 02:25:19.719 To me? 3087 02:25:19.840 --> 02:25:22.280 That's what again coming back for Coloured Sands, that's what 3088 02:25:22.399 --> 02:25:24.879 Gorguts like took what they had innovated and turned it 3089 02:25:25.000 --> 02:25:31.000 into That's where the texture on this album applied to 3090 02:25:31.079 --> 02:25:33.559 that kind of like warped rotten, you know, weirdo kind 3091 02:25:33.559 --> 02:25:36.040 of death metal thing, and the soul of it as well, 3092 02:25:36.120 --> 02:25:39.600 that really exists in this record. It's it's kind of overwhelming, 3093 02:25:39.639 --> 02:25:42.399 you know, I feel like I'm inside like a millennia 3094 02:25:42.559 --> 02:25:45.639 old ancient temple buried beneath the sand or something. When 3095 02:25:45.680 --> 02:25:49.000 I listened to this record, like having my consciousness warped. 3096 02:25:49.040 --> 02:25:51.959 It's one of the best sounding death metal records of 3097 02:25:52.000 --> 02:25:54.639 the twenty first century. Like the production on this is 3098 02:25:55.360 --> 02:25:57.360 god tea for this kind of thing, Like the depth 3099 02:25:57.440 --> 02:26:00.559 to it, how far back the sound seems to go, 3100 02:26:00.959 --> 02:26:03.879 and how many layers within this really dense thing you 3101 02:26:03.959 --> 02:26:05.520 can find within it is astonishing. 3102 02:26:06.280 --> 02:26:08.719 There it's like such an insane vastness to it, simply 3103 02:26:08.760 --> 02:26:10.559 like the soul I mean it is again it's on 3104 02:26:11.520 --> 02:26:13.200 it's a there's like a bit of thing his voice 3105 02:26:13.200 --> 02:26:14.879 actually like cracks in a way that you don't kind 3106 02:26:14.920 --> 02:26:18.319 of associate with defer there is that those those human 3107 02:26:18.399 --> 02:26:21.079 imperfections are kind of there and it's not again because 3108 02:26:21.079 --> 02:26:24.399 again I'm just thinking tech that thats guy find is 3109 02:26:24.520 --> 02:26:27.639 so clinical and so precise, and again this is you know, 3110 02:26:28.200 --> 02:26:32.040 insanely technical and like like Telldinky proficient. But there is 3111 02:26:32.079 --> 02:26:34.079 a kind of like a humanity to it that I 3112 02:26:34.159 --> 02:26:36.079 sometimes find those albums lack. And that was again what 3113 02:26:36.159 --> 02:26:39.040 I found really sort of engrossing about the record is 3114 02:26:39.079 --> 02:26:42.520 that there was a human sort of soul to it, but. 3115 02:26:43.000 --> 02:26:46.159 Just a combination of things all mixing together. And like 3116 02:26:47.319 --> 02:26:48.959 one of the reasons why you're able to tell when 3117 02:26:48.959 --> 02:26:52.879 someone is inspired by Gorgas is because nobody quite sounds 3118 02:26:52.959 --> 02:26:55.680 like them. You know that their brand of death metal 3119 02:26:55.879 --> 02:26:59.959 is as influenced by like crowd rock as it is Slayer. 3120 02:27:00.479 --> 02:27:03.440 I mean, on this record, bringing in like ancient folk 3121 02:27:03.600 --> 02:27:09.120 music and pendetic and riffs that don't crunch or street 3122 02:27:09.120 --> 02:27:11.840 they're sort of grown at you. It's it's already quite 3123 02:27:11.879 --> 02:27:14.600 a suffocating sound. And one of the most impressive things 3124 02:27:14.840 --> 02:27:19.120 about this record is the ability to harness that and 3125 02:27:19.319 --> 02:27:23.440 yet make it feel so lavish, so like again comparing 3126 02:27:23.479 --> 02:27:25.879 this job Securer, where it just feels that your head's 3127 02:27:25.879 --> 02:27:28.319 in a vice, like it's almost hard to breathe when 3128 02:27:28.360 --> 02:27:32.280 that record's on, and this takes that same thing, the 3129 02:27:32.360 --> 02:27:35.879 stuff that makes that record special and uses it for 3130 02:27:36.120 --> 02:27:39.520 like world building, like for creating this like infinitely vast 3131 02:27:40.639 --> 02:27:42.520 landscape that the record can plain. And it's funny that 3132 02:27:42.520 --> 02:27:45.959 you mentioned absolutely elsewhere. I I've always seen this record 3133 02:27:46.200 --> 02:27:49.440 as two halves, like the first four tracks and then 3134 02:27:49.479 --> 02:27:52.840 the interlude and then yeah, the last four I've always 3135 02:27:52.879 --> 02:27:56.239 seen as a pair of acts with a mission project 3136 02:27:56.319 --> 02:28:00.000 like that. I think, like I don't know too much 3137 02:28:00.200 --> 02:28:03.479 intimately about like the themes or if one song's narrative 3138 02:28:03.639 --> 02:28:08.799 runs into the next. I just think tonally that they're 3139 02:28:08.879 --> 02:28:14.239 distinct enough to feel like deliberately struck, to feel like 3140 02:28:14.280 --> 02:28:17.040 they're deliberately structured in that way. No, they absolutely are. 3141 02:28:17.520 --> 02:28:19.520 And so the main guy in Gorg Sir Luke Lamy, 3142 02:28:19.600 --> 02:28:22.719 he recruited a totally new lineup basically for this. One 3143 02:28:22.760 --> 02:28:24.520 of the key guys in it is Colin Marston, who 3144 02:28:24.559 --> 02:28:27.000 he plays in the really freaky alien BLACKMT band Crellis. 3145 02:28:27.479 --> 02:28:30.200 He as a producer has become basically like the guy 3146 02:28:30.639 --> 02:28:33.120 for that whole like artsy New York tech Death kind 3147 02:28:33.159 --> 02:28:34.719 of thing, Like you know, he does the Emperi Trimphant 3148 02:28:34.719 --> 02:28:36.639 Records and all that kind of stuff. And this album 3149 02:28:36.879 --> 02:28:39.479 coming out was almost this was basically the point where 3150 02:28:39.479 --> 02:28:41.319 I heard that and went what the fuck is that? 3151 02:28:41.600 --> 02:28:41.760 You know? 3152 02:28:41.920 --> 02:28:43.559 And then the following twelve years with all these bands, 3153 02:28:43.719 --> 02:28:45.399 you build on it and take it in their own directions, 3154 02:28:45.479 --> 02:28:49.079 but this was like the benchmark of like, oh, this 3155 02:28:49.239 --> 02:28:52.120 is what progressive. Particularly again, you mentioned the kind of 3156 02:28:52.239 --> 02:28:54.600 the stuff that you thought Tech Death was is maybe 3157 02:28:55.000 --> 02:28:56.840 in the prior a couple of years, the stuff I 3158 02:28:56.959 --> 02:28:58.639 was more familiar with, and then I heard this and 3159 02:28:58.760 --> 02:29:01.719 it's like, this is a different side of a different, 3160 02:29:01.799 --> 02:29:04.600 you know a part. This is what something that's that 3161 02:29:04.760 --> 02:29:08.000 dense and progressive can kind of feel like, and it's not, 3162 02:29:08.239 --> 02:29:11.879 you know, kind of undynamic. You know that the dynamics 3163 02:29:11.920 --> 02:29:14.000 of it and the clarity of it is is incredible. 3164 02:29:14.040 --> 02:29:17.079 The opening rip of Letoire de Monde maybe one of 3165 02:29:17.120 --> 02:29:20.000 the most like ear catching, ostentatious starts to a death 3166 02:29:20.040 --> 02:29:21.680 that a record during this decade. 3167 02:29:21.719 --> 02:29:22.399 I think, just. 3168 02:29:24.200 --> 02:29:26.920 It's so immediate and so crushing, but then tellingly, like 3169 02:29:27.000 --> 02:29:30.319 thirty seconds in it slipped down into this real like 3170 02:29:30.479 --> 02:29:34.520 shadow zone with that kind of creeping jazzy touch. The 3171 02:29:34.680 --> 02:29:37.639 strange bass melodies those really like that, the kind of 3172 02:29:37.639 --> 02:29:40.159 harmonic like pink kind of sound, which whenever I hear them, 3173 02:29:40.200 --> 02:29:41.959 I really associate them with like this, you know, era 3174 02:29:42.120 --> 02:29:45.920 of Gorguts, and it creates this incredible like depth of 3175 02:29:46.040 --> 02:29:48.719 field where again like the low end and the death 3176 02:29:48.799 --> 02:29:50.719 mold is so heavy, but there's this sort of whole 3177 02:29:51.280 --> 02:29:55.000 like mystical landscape within it, and there's these really alien 3178 02:29:55.079 --> 02:29:59.319 melodic passages that bring this sort of like dark majesty 3179 02:29:59.399 --> 02:30:01.239 to it. Like Ember Voice later on has a really 3180 02:30:01.319 --> 02:30:05.559 sort of meditative melody that's been baked into this like 3181 02:30:05.719 --> 02:30:08.239 slithering death metal rift it's such a cool sound, and 3182 02:30:08.280 --> 02:30:11.200 then you know Forgotten Arrows as well, the real like 3183 02:30:11.840 --> 02:30:13.920 the sort of the tendrils of that, the guitar melodies 3184 02:30:13.920 --> 02:30:15.719 and the bas melodies and stuff sort of reach around 3185 02:30:15.799 --> 02:30:18.600 and coat all of this like brutal death metal, you know, 3186 02:30:18.719 --> 02:30:23.799 kind of spontaneity. It's it's kind of incomprehensibly detailed. This album, 3187 02:30:23.920 --> 02:30:27.520 like it is such a again that deconstructing it would 3188 02:30:27.680 --> 02:30:30.600 just take forever. But the stuff that actually kind of 3189 02:30:30.639 --> 02:30:34.879 manages to reach out and grab you is really incredible. 3190 02:30:35.200 --> 02:30:36.719 I mean that the song like the Tar Trucks and 3191 02:30:36.719 --> 02:30:38.879 that kind of really sort of fullish a difficit because 3192 02:30:38.879 --> 02:30:41.239 you have again to have this like slow burn kind 3193 02:30:41.239 --> 02:30:43.799 of build for two minutes and then when that kind 3194 02:30:43.799 --> 02:30:46.799 of like doom riff hits like about two mins in 3195 02:30:46.840 --> 02:30:49.120 and it all kind of bursts. Is the heaviest fucking 3196 02:30:49.239 --> 02:30:53.680 thing ever, and they just like twist and contort it, 3197 02:30:53.920 --> 02:30:56.120 and like like when the drums sort of pick up 3198 02:30:56.280 --> 02:30:57.440 time and the sort of the second half of the 3199 02:30:57.520 --> 02:30:59.879 song and it does just kind of like build this 3200 02:31:00.120 --> 02:31:02.760 mental like you've come from this quite sort of like 3201 02:31:03.840 --> 02:31:07.719 slowly detailed intro into something that is kind of like blasting, 3202 02:31:07.760 --> 02:31:10.840 and this solo that is the most like twisted and 3203 02:31:11.040 --> 02:31:15.079 like mangled guitar solo imaginable, like trying to just sort 3204 02:31:15.120 --> 02:31:17.520 of battle with this riff that is blasting at the 3205 02:31:17.559 --> 02:31:19.600 same time. And again it's like the amount of sort 3206 02:31:19.600 --> 02:31:21.680 of different sounds are pulled from across all these different 3207 02:31:21.719 --> 02:31:24.680 tracks and kind of like seamlessly tied together where you 3208 02:31:24.719 --> 02:31:27.159 feel like they should be quite like disparate elements, but 3209 02:31:27.239 --> 02:31:29.760 they all just become part of this like wider tapestry 3210 02:31:29.760 --> 02:31:32.399 of sounds that just all just kind of like mesh 3211 02:31:32.479 --> 02:31:34.319 together in a really engrossing way. 3212 02:31:35.479 --> 02:31:38.680 And this album, to me, managed to strike that balance 3213 02:31:39.920 --> 02:31:41.680 in fact, fund enough similar to what we say about 3214 02:31:41.719 --> 02:31:43.920 Rust in Peace, where it's technically super impressive but also 3215 02:31:44.040 --> 02:31:46.200 a lot of fun to listen to. I find that 3216 02:31:46.280 --> 02:31:48.600 to be true of this record, even though at times, 3217 02:31:48.719 --> 02:31:51.319 like emotionally, it can be devastating and sometimes it can 3218 02:31:51.399 --> 02:31:56.000 be like tortuous, but the amount of fun, quirky, inventive 3219 02:31:56.079 --> 02:31:59.719 musical ideas, particularly in the first half that just barrel 3220 02:31:59.760 --> 02:32:03.280 a lot, like that bit in to Demond where it's 3221 02:32:03.399 --> 02:32:12.159 there's like that you just you've linked that to the negative. 3222 02:32:15.479 --> 02:32:19.559 Hearing and you know, singing his power ballad over these 3223 02:32:19.639 --> 02:32:22.159 rifts crazy anyway, carry but like the bit in that 3224 02:32:22.239 --> 02:32:23.079 where there's. 3225 02:32:22.920 --> 02:32:26.440 Like a little staccato harmonica frame that keeps coming back 3226 02:32:26.799 --> 02:32:30.159 and it sits in this swinging groove, but then it 3227 02:32:30.239 --> 02:32:33.079 becomes a shuffle each time for what doesn't even feel 3228 02:32:33.120 --> 02:32:36.559 like a whole bar, And I genuinely don't know how 3229 02:32:36.639 --> 02:32:38.159 you think of that. And the first onement, I went, 3230 02:32:38.239 --> 02:32:40.239 what the fuck is going on? But by the time 3231 02:32:40.280 --> 02:32:42.399 I finally got into like the like the nervous system 3232 02:32:42.399 --> 02:32:44.120 of the record, and like I started to understand it. 3233 02:32:45.159 --> 02:32:48.120 It just those moments started to elicit joy. 3234 02:32:49.079 --> 02:32:51.879 Yeah, and the title track, which Sam was mentioning, uh, 3235 02:32:52.879 --> 02:32:56.239 that creepy clean guitar, it's like, you know, part what 3236 02:32:56.879 --> 02:32:58.600 sort of a Sugar do with their kind of you know, 3237 02:32:58.719 --> 02:33:01.040 jazzy clean sections and part what you know, like again 3238 02:33:01.120 --> 02:33:04.159 ulcer Rate, currently on their most critically acclaimed albums kind 3239 02:33:04.200 --> 02:33:07.440 of do, and that build into almost like a sort 3240 02:33:07.440 --> 02:33:08.159 of death doom. 3241 02:33:08.040 --> 02:33:10.520 Gorgot song like it. It's really slow and really heavy. 3242 02:33:10.879 --> 02:33:14.600 And Forgotten Arrows has that whole latter section which is 3243 02:33:14.600 --> 02:33:17.120 almost like a breakdown for the whole second half of 3244 02:33:17.159 --> 02:33:19.319 the song where they just hammer on a couple of 3245 02:33:19.399 --> 02:33:21.760 notes after all that complexity at the start, and it's 3246 02:33:21.879 --> 02:33:27.280 so suffocating and eye popping, and Sam, you're I'm really 3247 02:33:27.319 --> 02:33:29.559 glad that you picked up about Luke's vocal as well. 3248 02:33:29.600 --> 02:33:32.520 Who I think he has one of the most kind 3249 02:33:32.559 --> 02:33:36.440 of pained roars in death metal, and there's a he's 3250 02:33:36.479 --> 02:33:40.159 always been an element who kind of he offsets how 3251 02:33:40.280 --> 02:33:42.239 chin stroke he maybe some of the music could be 3252 02:33:42.360 --> 02:33:44.639 because he sounds like he's being set on fire, you know, 3253 02:33:44.680 --> 02:33:47.239 and he's just yelling at you to fucking chuck some 3254 02:33:47.319 --> 02:33:50.799 water over him. He's like a real violent urgency about 3255 02:33:50.879 --> 02:33:52.959 him that again really grapples you. In kind of the 3256 02:33:53.840 --> 02:33:56.319 the heart of the record. You have the like the 3257 02:33:56.479 --> 02:34:00.280 jackhammer drum precision of Enemies and Compassion later which is 3258 02:34:00.360 --> 02:34:01.879 kind of head melting, And there's a solo section in 3259 02:34:01.959 --> 02:34:06.440 that song where it's almost like multiple guitars harmonizing by 3260 02:34:06.479 --> 02:34:08.200 the sound of it, but almost like a tonally, like 3261 02:34:08.280 --> 02:34:11.040 they're not really playing a real melody, and it's it's 3262 02:34:11.239 --> 02:34:12.719 it's actively funny as a sound. 3263 02:34:12.799 --> 02:34:16.319 It's so mental, Like Compassion, it is kind of the 3264 02:34:16.399 --> 02:34:18.639 most bruising I guess the song on the record like 3265 02:34:18.680 --> 02:34:20.600 for the first half and there's like a big like 3266 02:34:20.879 --> 02:34:22.879 swinging rift like three minutes in it's. 3267 02:34:22.760 --> 02:34:24.399 Like she'd be hard. But then yeah, I was like, 3268 02:34:24.479 --> 02:34:26.760 oh no, so just and what the fuck is going 3269 02:34:26.840 --> 02:34:27.200 on with that. 3270 02:34:27.280 --> 02:34:30.719 Solo because it's fucking like the way the guitars are 3271 02:34:30.799 --> 02:34:34.000 just sounding like not like guitars or whatever they're doing 3272 02:34:34.040 --> 02:34:36.079 to them, like and there's those of my I was like, 3273 02:34:36.520 --> 02:34:38.440 I'm so glad I've come to this after I finally 3274 02:34:38.479 --> 02:34:40.200 clicked with Imperial Triumph and that I'm kind of just 3275 02:34:40.280 --> 02:34:43.879 like on the weird like fucked up sounds. Now it's 3276 02:34:44.040 --> 02:34:45.520 become like a nice on was like, ah, this is 3277 02:34:45.920 --> 02:34:47.719 this is where it all comes from, and I like 3278 02:34:47.799 --> 02:34:48.559 it now this is good. 3279 02:34:49.040 --> 02:34:50.840 Yeah, but I'm also glad that you picked up on 3280 02:34:51.559 --> 02:34:55.200 earlier probably like that the thing for me that the 3281 02:34:55.360 --> 02:34:59.120 main riff in the Nocean of Wisdom around like there's 3282 02:34:59.159 --> 02:35:00.799 so much like crazy, the like bizarre what. 3283 02:35:00.959 --> 02:35:01.440 Is this stuff? 3284 02:35:02.200 --> 02:35:04.360 It's one of the most perfect death metal riffs of 3285 02:35:04.360 --> 02:35:06.520 the twenty fifth century. I think it's like again next 3286 02:35:06.559 --> 02:35:08.479 to Scurge of Iron, you know, just the way that 3287 02:35:08.680 --> 02:35:14.239 throws into the boon, those opening drum hits and then 3288 02:35:14.319 --> 02:35:17.959 just dragging you, kicking and screaming down into it like 3289 02:35:18.040 --> 02:35:21.520 it's sickening, but it grooves, you know, like that is 3290 02:35:21.879 --> 02:35:25.079 the drums just roll on that double bass so effectively 3291 02:35:25.479 --> 02:35:27.559 it throws in that little scrape at just the right 3292 02:35:27.639 --> 02:35:30.399 place for the maximum emphasis. Where again it's this is 3293 02:35:30.799 --> 02:35:34.479 much heavier and much stranger and much more kind of 3294 02:35:35.879 --> 02:35:37.799 really tightly wound. But that is the kind of thing 3295 02:35:37.840 --> 02:35:39.399 that Kajea are gonna go like, yeah, you know, that's 3296 02:35:39.440 --> 02:35:41.319 that's what we do again, particularly like the first Gajira 3297 02:35:41.360 --> 02:35:44.079 record has got a ton of gor goes over it. 3298 02:35:44.079 --> 02:35:46.799 And again this is hearing those sounds where Kajeira have 3299 02:35:46.879 --> 02:35:48.920 taken those into like sad but true territory. This is 3300 02:35:48.959 --> 02:35:53.120 that taken into this absolute lightless kind of pit of 3301 02:35:53.159 --> 02:35:53.520 a sound. 3302 02:35:54.440 --> 02:35:56.200 Yeah, And I mean one of my favorite things that 3303 02:35:56.280 --> 02:35:58.200 this style of metal is capable of is when it 3304 02:35:59.000 --> 02:36:01.000 when it does that thing with as you're sinking into 3305 02:36:01.040 --> 02:36:05.479 the ground, where these groaning, dissonant riffs that just they 3306 02:36:05.520 --> 02:36:08.799 almost they almost devote the feeling of falling asleep. An 3307 02:36:08.799 --> 02:36:12.399 ocean of wisdom has that but still manages to be catchy, 3308 02:36:12.719 --> 02:36:14.840 grew like you just compared to Scourge of Iron, which 3309 02:36:15.360 --> 02:36:20.760 is one of the most Caveman Moss songs, reminds me 3310 02:36:20.799 --> 02:36:22.399 bit of like where the Slime Live from Will Been 3311 02:36:22.440 --> 02:36:24.639 Angry in that kind of fil Yeah, exactly. It's in 3312 02:36:24.760 --> 02:36:29.760 that tradition while still feeling like uncomfortable and upsetting, which 3313 02:36:30.319 --> 02:36:32.200 you know, those songs are very heavy, but they don't 3314 02:36:32.280 --> 02:36:35.319 quite have that going for them, and Gorga's just like 3315 02:36:36.760 --> 02:36:39.399 they have an ability to marry those two worlds, which 3316 02:36:40.840 --> 02:36:42.799 you probably count on one hand the number of bands 3317 02:36:42.840 --> 02:36:43.440 that have managed that. 3318 02:36:44.000 --> 02:36:47.680 Yeah, And I think that's almost the a thing for Again, 3319 02:36:47.959 --> 02:36:50.479 I do it today when I'm listening to to Ulcerrat 3320 02:36:50.600 --> 02:36:54.079 or whatever, these kind of bands where it's technical death metal, 3321 02:36:54.120 --> 02:36:56.440 but I'm almost in a kind of fugue drone state 3322 02:36:56.959 --> 02:36:59.760 during the during the records, which is I get a 3323 02:36:59.799 --> 02:37:01.399 part of the key to I think maybe to tapping 3324 02:37:01.440 --> 02:37:03.680 into and really like, you know, loving them and not 3325 02:37:03.959 --> 02:37:06.799 going like you know where at the bangers because Ocean 3326 02:37:06.799 --> 02:37:08.840 of Wisdom is probably the closes thing too that that's 3327 02:37:08.879 --> 02:37:11.120 a fucking groove riff, but there's also like an Eastern 3328 02:37:11.280 --> 02:37:14.559 drone through the center of that song where you're talking 3329 02:37:14.600 --> 02:37:16.440 about the themes of the record earlier. This is a 3330 02:37:16.520 --> 02:37:20.040 concept album about Tibetan history and mysticism, which I am 3331 02:37:20.159 --> 02:37:22.559 not knowledgeable at all, but also like who else for 3332 02:37:22.600 --> 02:37:24.920 the comeback out that's their first time in twelve years. Yeah, 3333 02:37:25.159 --> 02:37:30.479 whole thing's about Tibet. Sure, whatever you say, mate, but 3334 02:37:30.639 --> 02:37:32.280 you know that thing of like death metal as an 3335 02:37:32.360 --> 02:37:36.600 art form, through its innate psychedelia kind of being attuned to, 3336 02:37:36.879 --> 02:37:39.440 you know, twist it away from these sort of more 3337 02:37:39.520 --> 02:37:42.600 conventional Western musicality to then communicating with these other kind 3338 02:37:42.600 --> 02:37:44.799 of ideas. That shit, it's all over death metal today, 3339 02:37:44.799 --> 02:37:47.040 I think, and it's gorgut to one of the big 3340 02:37:47.159 --> 02:37:50.079 like again kind of progenitism monoliths of that particular thing. 3341 02:37:50.360 --> 02:37:52.280 Yeah, I mean how many sort of bands. Oh there's 3342 02:37:52.280 --> 02:37:54.200 a kind of like Eastern sort of flavor. Yeah, guitar 3343 02:37:54.600 --> 02:37:56.479 like the momber that that was that the end of 3344 02:37:57.000 --> 02:37:59.000 Notion of Wisdom, where you kind of have this like 3345 02:38:00.719 --> 02:38:03.360 acoustical like some recent soft outro and the way this 3346 02:38:03.760 --> 02:38:06.440 opening riff and Forgotten Arrows kind of just like picks 3347 02:38:06.520 --> 02:38:08.399 up on that and just makes it fucking heavy while 3348 02:38:08.440 --> 02:38:11.959 so sort of like tonally sounding like it's seeking from that. 3349 02:38:11.959 --> 02:38:12.719 And that's again where I. 3350 02:38:12.680 --> 02:38:14.959 Feel like this album like you're out that whole and 3351 02:38:15.079 --> 02:38:17.520 like the two sides to it almost like two kind 3352 02:38:17.559 --> 02:38:19.639 of like flowing pieces of music, because you have a 3353 02:38:19.840 --> 02:38:23.040 like Forgotten Arrows does just kind of blend seamlessly from 3354 02:38:23.120 --> 02:38:27.719 where Wisdom ends, and it just kind of like it 3355 02:38:27.799 --> 02:38:29.639 feels like it's doing these kind of like those Eastern 3356 02:38:29.639 --> 02:38:32.920 ideas without retreading and sort of like sounding uniriginal. It's 3357 02:38:32.959 --> 02:38:35.680 kind of splicing it in in a really interesting and 3358 02:38:35.799 --> 02:38:36.639 like dynamic way. 3359 02:38:37.040 --> 02:38:39.399 Yeah, and Elliott talking about how the record you felt 3360 02:38:39.399 --> 02:38:42.040 like it was you know, uh deliberately, you know, it's 3361 02:38:42.079 --> 02:38:45.440 kind of segmented the middle again, the Tibetan kind of 3362 02:38:46.040 --> 02:38:50.520 arc of the album. The pivotal point is a track 3363 02:38:50.559 --> 02:38:53.159 called the Battle of Chamder, which is I think meant 3364 02:38:53.200 --> 02:38:55.959 to represent the kind of like Chinese invasion and then 3365 02:38:56.040 --> 02:38:58.360 subjugation of Tibetan. Then that the kind of the aftermath 3366 02:38:58.399 --> 02:38:59.920 of that is what the following song's kind of deal with. 3367 02:39:01.440 --> 02:39:04.479 That track in twenty thirteen blew my fucking mind because 3368 02:39:05.840 --> 02:39:08.520 it would be you know, pretty usual to hear a 3369 02:39:08.639 --> 02:39:11.159 metal record that maybe starts with an intro of like 3370 02:39:11.319 --> 02:39:13.280 the third thirty seconds of that and it goes into 3371 02:39:13.280 --> 02:39:17.479 a metal song. But this is a full blown, meticulously composed, 3372 02:39:17.719 --> 02:39:21.559 just classical strings chamber piece that's about. It's not just 3373 02:39:21.639 --> 02:39:24.079 an interlude. It's a song in its own right in 3374 02:39:24.280 --> 02:39:27.559 the heart of the record. And it's certainly it's one 3375 02:39:27.559 --> 02:39:30.559 of the most incredible orchestral pieces on a metal album 3376 02:39:30.559 --> 02:39:31.559 that I personally have ever heard. 3377 02:39:31.600 --> 02:39:32.840 I almost have it in mind. 3378 02:39:32.639 --> 02:39:35.600 As like, if you can't make it as integral to 3379 02:39:35.680 --> 02:39:37.559 the fabric of the album of the Battle of Chando Is, 3380 02:39:37.639 --> 02:39:39.239 you know, go back and make improvements. This is the 3381 02:39:39.280 --> 02:39:40.120 one because this is. 3382 02:39:41.440 --> 02:39:42.200 Such a swing. 3383 02:39:42.559 --> 02:39:43.959 They hadn't done that on any of their other albums, 3384 02:39:43.959 --> 02:39:45.319 you know, like, oh yeah, here's a fucking full on 3385 02:39:45.440 --> 02:39:46.520 five minute chamber piece. 3386 02:39:46.799 --> 02:39:48.440 So like when this came, I was like, oh, well, 3387 02:39:48.479 --> 02:39:50.879 they're kind of doing a sort of a symphonic death 3388 02:39:50.959 --> 02:39:52.760 metal song there. Having that, and then I was gonna 3389 02:39:52.760 --> 02:39:54.600 like wait for the melts coming I was like, and 3390 02:39:55.440 --> 02:39:57.000 I was like, oh, okay, no, they're just just. 3391 02:39:57.079 --> 02:39:59.239 It's a full of classical sort of chamber piece. Fair 3392 02:39:59.319 --> 02:40:00.040 fuck it. 3393 02:40:00.040 --> 02:40:04.120 It doesn't sound detached from the record or kind of 3394 02:40:04.200 --> 02:40:06.760 like jarring and kills the pace. It is that sort 3395 02:40:06.760 --> 02:40:09.000 of centerpiece to it of kind of like a purely 3396 02:40:09.120 --> 02:40:11.600 like say, classical piece, and I was like, yeah, this 3397 02:40:11.760 --> 02:40:13.840 is this is like this caught me off guard. But 3398 02:40:14.000 --> 02:40:16.399 if you're gonna do it fucking fully commit, don't just 3399 02:40:16.440 --> 02:40:17.559 have it as a kind of like a minute long 3400 02:40:17.600 --> 02:40:19.920 all having a little bit of class music interlude. Have 3401 02:40:20.040 --> 02:40:23.399 it as a fully fleshed out, several minutes long classical 3402 02:40:23.520 --> 02:40:24.920 interlude that fits the. 3403 02:40:24.959 --> 02:40:26.000 Vibe of the record perfectly. 3404 02:40:26.159 --> 02:40:27.479 I used to listen to this track on its own 3405 02:40:27.520 --> 02:40:29.159 sometimes if I wasn't listened to the album, Like it's 3406 02:40:29.360 --> 02:40:32.120 fully it's almost like even sort of John Williams Jaws 3407 02:40:32.280 --> 02:40:35.520 esque at the very start, but then just climbs and like, yeah, 3408 02:40:35.520 --> 02:40:38.799 the actual sonic fidelity of those low, ominous kind of 3409 02:40:38.959 --> 02:40:43.000 strokes of the cello, so like it really is in 3410 02:40:43.079 --> 02:40:45.360 tune with the low end of the death metal on 3411 02:40:45.360 --> 02:40:46.920 the album, even though it's not a death metal piece. 3412 02:40:46.959 --> 02:40:50.760 And melodically it's incredible, and you go, well, they fucking 3413 02:40:50.799 --> 02:40:53.040 wrote and arrange that, you know, and it's legitimately it's 3414 02:40:53.120 --> 02:40:55.840 as good as basically any movie score. It's a valid 3415 02:40:56.000 --> 02:40:57.959 choice to be someone's favorite song on the album, and 3416 02:40:58.040 --> 02:40:59.920 it's the song that most bands would make the kind 3417 02:40:59.920 --> 02:41:01.479 of transitionary interlude. 3418 02:41:01.959 --> 02:41:04.440 Well for most metal bands, even a lot of great ones, 3419 02:41:04.479 --> 02:41:06.000 when they do like, oh, we're gonna have an orchestral 3420 02:41:06.000 --> 02:41:08.959 piece on the record, it's if it's done by the band, 3421 02:41:09.000 --> 02:41:11.520 it's typically by an amateur who doesn't spend much time 3422 02:41:11.559 --> 02:41:14.000 writing classical music. And I'm not an expert on a 3423 02:41:14.000 --> 02:41:16.319 classicalis I won't claim to be, but quite often it 3424 02:41:16.399 --> 02:41:19.559 feels like almost more of a box ticking exercise when 3425 02:41:19.600 --> 02:41:21.040 bands do that sort of thing which just goes, oh, 3426 02:41:21.200 --> 02:41:22.760 this is what classical music sort of sounds like. So 3427 02:41:22.840 --> 02:41:26.719 boom boom boom. Make it sound a dramatic nice This is, like, 3428 02:41:28.040 --> 02:41:30.559 like you say, as good as any movie score. It's 3429 02:41:30.799 --> 02:41:34.079 elite level at a thing which they hadn't even tried 3430 02:41:34.159 --> 02:41:37.840 before in this band. And I'm not in a position 3431 02:41:37.959 --> 02:41:39.399 to say how good this is because I don't know 3432 02:41:39.479 --> 02:41:42.000 all that much about classical music. But I do know 3433 02:41:42.079 --> 02:41:45.520 that it's for all five minutes, it's engaging, it's interesting, 3434 02:41:45.760 --> 02:41:51.159 it's dramatic. It just fulfills its task perfectly. And when 3435 02:41:51.200 --> 02:41:52.840 I was listening to this, I just thought the guy 3436 02:41:52.920 --> 02:41:56.440 from Nightwish is taking up half of his band's records 3437 02:41:56.680 --> 02:41:59.520 doing stuff that is less than ten percent as good 3438 02:41:59.559 --> 02:42:03.760 as this, and this is like dead center on the 3439 02:42:03.840 --> 02:42:08.040 comeback record, and then it's back to what Gorguts do. 3440 02:42:08.719 --> 02:42:11.920 That's almost more impressive than if they'd really really lend 3441 02:42:11.920 --> 02:42:14.079 if they've got the next half is going to be orchestral. 3442 02:42:14.239 --> 02:42:16.200 The fact that it's this good for just five minutes 3443 02:42:16.559 --> 02:42:18.040 is somehow even more baffling. 3444 02:42:18.600 --> 02:42:21.639 Yeah, it's still to the day, like twelve years on, 3445 02:42:21.680 --> 02:42:23.280 there's not many things really that have been done on 3446 02:42:23.319 --> 02:42:25.360 my record, like the Battle of Chandough in you know, 3447 02:42:25.760 --> 02:42:28.120 metal spheres, and the album after it does, I think 3448 02:42:28.159 --> 02:42:31.559 become even more suffocating and kind of difficult. I think 3449 02:42:31.559 --> 02:42:33.520 that the most grueling song of the album is the 3450 02:42:33.559 --> 02:42:36.120 song Absconders, which is about nine minutes long, and that's 3451 02:42:37.040 --> 02:42:39.840 the most avoid of light or almost like catchy rifts 3452 02:42:39.920 --> 02:42:43.319 or melody. That's really it's really heavy going that song, 3453 02:42:43.399 --> 02:42:44.639 and by the end of the record, you know, reduced 3454 02:42:44.639 --> 02:42:48.360 to silence, it's become really quite apocalyptic, and that you know, 3455 02:42:48.440 --> 02:42:51.319 this whole like avant garde dissonant death metal school sort 3456 02:42:51.319 --> 02:42:52.360 of thing that we talk about on you know, the 3457 02:42:52.399 --> 02:42:55.840 regular review show. Gorgarts are really you know fathers of that. 3458 02:42:56.000 --> 02:42:58.000 But this album coming when it did, I think, really, 3459 02:42:58.120 --> 02:43:00.719 I mean for me personally again, it was kind of 3460 02:43:00.799 --> 02:43:03.079 like the wake up call for that, but just in general, 3461 02:43:03.200 --> 02:43:06.879 it's they provided the musical language and the tools for 3462 02:43:06.959 --> 02:43:08.639 that back in the nineties, and they would be rightly 3463 02:43:08.719 --> 02:43:10.319 you know, mentioned as a touchstone if that was if 3464 02:43:10.319 --> 02:43:14.639 they never reunited. But this happening like right before that 3465 02:43:14.719 --> 02:43:17.440 shit really gained so much steam is really interesting because 3466 02:43:17.440 --> 02:43:20.920 I don't know how, you know, like how pivotal or 3467 02:43:21.040 --> 02:43:24.879 inspirational this particular album was in like forming the direction 3468 02:43:25.000 --> 02:43:26.360 of some of these bands, because you guess a lot 3469 02:43:26.399 --> 02:43:29.000 of them are like, you know, kind of already underway 3470 02:43:29.120 --> 02:43:31.520 or already forming or whatever. But it's just sort of 3471 02:43:31.559 --> 02:43:35.280 poetic that Gorgots come and drop this and then in 3472 02:43:35.360 --> 02:43:38.600 the next couple of years it's like artificial brain and 3473 02:43:38.760 --> 02:43:40.280 you know, like Perion in that kind of you know, 3474 02:43:40.799 --> 02:43:42.760 Colin Master New York scene, they're kind of you know, 3475 02:43:43.040 --> 02:43:44.159 they just kind of go up and not do and 3476 02:43:44.159 --> 02:43:47.200 you how bloody temantations starting up, and Catialist and Imperiotriumphant 3477 02:43:47.200 --> 02:43:50.000 a bit later, and ad Nauseam and ulcer Rate hit 3478 02:43:50.040 --> 02:43:52.840 their peak by kind of again integrating the atmospheres and 3479 02:43:52.879 --> 02:43:54.840 melodies and sort of stuff that this is kind of pioneering. 3480 02:43:54.879 --> 02:43:58.120 It's a really special case of a band who you know, 3481 02:43:58.239 --> 02:44:01.159 had provided a toolbox couple decades before. You know, like 3482 02:44:01.239 --> 02:44:03.920 we were saying something they're doing right, but they come 3483 02:44:04.040 --> 02:44:06.040 back at just the right moment to update it. And 3484 02:44:06.239 --> 02:44:09.680 somehow the band who had like basically pioneered this kind 3485 02:44:09.719 --> 02:44:13.600 of avant garde dissonant death metal thing add this like 3486 02:44:13.879 --> 02:44:18.559 whole new melodic, atmospheric kind of dimension to it, where 3487 02:44:18.600 --> 02:44:19.559 you go, look that we. 3488 02:44:19.719 --> 02:44:22.159 Still can do more with this, there's still more to it. 3489 02:44:23.479 --> 02:44:27.600 Well it kind of again and maybe maybe I'm missing 3490 02:44:27.639 --> 02:44:29.959 something here, but I almost felt this album put to 3491 02:44:30.120 --> 02:44:34.319 bed that wing of technical death metal that earlier It's 3492 02:44:34.399 --> 02:44:36.479 time in the Sun, because because in the time where 3493 02:44:36.600 --> 02:44:40.000 gorgots are away, your necrophages come along and get super 3494 02:44:40.040 --> 02:44:44.319 popular doing that really dazzling, technically impressive form of technical 3495 02:44:44.360 --> 02:44:49.159 death metal, and you know, by by the early twentys 3496 02:44:49.159 --> 02:44:52.479 are obscurer. There's beyond creation. There's like I say, Rings 3497 02:44:52.520 --> 02:44:55.520 of Saturn, which is really taking that principle in taking 3498 02:44:55.600 --> 02:44:59.200 it super super far. And then this record comes out 3499 02:44:59.719 --> 02:45:03.200 and it just felt like the conversation of death metal 3500 02:45:03.319 --> 02:45:05.440 was no longer about that sort of music. Like those 3501 02:45:05.479 --> 02:45:07.559 bands kept tracking on and they kept releasing records and 3502 02:45:07.639 --> 02:45:10.000 they had their fan base or whatever, but that stopped 3503 02:45:10.079 --> 02:45:15.280 being the cool thing in the stuff that felt like 3504 02:45:15.319 --> 02:45:17.479 it was pushing the outer limits of death metal because 3505 02:45:17.479 --> 02:45:19.159 it was like getting faster and getting more technical. That 3506 02:45:19.280 --> 02:45:24.399 was one thing, but this is it moved more into 3507 02:45:24.440 --> 02:45:26.159 things of like what ideas can you bring to it? 3508 02:45:27.200 --> 02:45:29.200 How inventive can you be? Yeah? 3509 02:45:29.319 --> 02:45:32.280 Yeah, just how much like how much further can you 3510 02:45:32.319 --> 02:45:35.200 look beyond the horizon of what the genre's offering at 3511 02:45:35.239 --> 02:45:35.600 the moment. 3512 02:45:36.120 --> 02:45:37.879 Yeah, it wasn't just like you know, how fast can 3513 02:45:37.920 --> 02:45:41.719 your hands move? Anymore? It was suddenly like what can 3514 02:45:41.760 --> 02:45:43.559 you take from? What can you fall them? What like 3515 02:45:43.680 --> 02:45:46.479 emotional registers? Are you able to hit in your songs? 3516 02:45:46.719 --> 02:45:46.959 Again? 3517 02:45:47.040 --> 02:45:50.239 Like just the final song reduced to silence. And I 3518 02:45:50.280 --> 02:45:52.520 don't know a lot about what the themes of the 3519 02:45:52.559 --> 02:45:55.639 record all they threw, but I do remember luking into 3520 02:45:55.680 --> 02:45:57.760 you talking about this song and it was about how 3521 02:45:58.120 --> 02:46:01.200 the Tibetan culture has this principle of violence and then 3522 02:46:01.200 --> 02:46:03.440 they were subjucated, and the question sort of being asked of, like, 3523 02:46:03.840 --> 02:46:06.840 where did this principle get you? Which is like a 3524 02:46:06.959 --> 02:46:12.399 really haunting, difficult, like moral quandary, And it's just the 3525 02:46:12.479 --> 02:46:14.559 sort of thing that you wouldn't think ostensibly a death 3526 02:46:14.639 --> 02:46:19.799 metal band covers. And it felt like suddenly, at least 3527 02:46:19.840 --> 02:46:25.040 in the underground, the conversation about this style of music changed, 3528 02:46:25.159 --> 02:46:27.120 if not necessarily for the first time in this direction, 3529 02:46:27.239 --> 02:46:29.520 but for the first time in the time I was 3530 02:46:29.559 --> 02:46:30.000 following it. 3531 02:46:30.600 --> 02:46:33.120 Yeah, exactly, And I really I think you put it 3532 02:46:33.159 --> 02:46:34.760 well there. And again I think that the bands who 3533 02:46:34.760 --> 02:46:38.200 have come through again, some already existed, but almost like 3534 02:46:38.639 --> 02:46:40.559 it's only the best of the best of this sort 3535 02:46:40.559 --> 02:46:41.920 of generation that been able to come close to that, 3536 02:46:41.920 --> 02:46:43.479 And it's also the ones who have taken the principles 3537 02:46:43.520 --> 02:46:45.520 of that. When you think about whether it be ulcer 3538 02:46:45.559 --> 02:46:49.079 Rates really just fucking like, you know, a dark night 3539 02:46:49.120 --> 02:46:50.799 of the soul thing that they kind of are able 3540 02:46:50.840 --> 02:46:52.520 to do with this sort of thing, or whether it 3541 02:46:52.559 --> 02:46:55.280 be imperio triumphant, you know, trying to tap into larger 3542 02:46:55.360 --> 02:46:58.520 ideas around kind of you know, like fucking like wealth 3543 02:46:58.559 --> 02:47:00.680 and power and all this sort of stuff within what 3544 02:47:00.799 --> 02:47:02.879 they did, the kind of the world building element of 3545 02:47:03.600 --> 02:47:08.959 technical death metal. Essentially, this coming out in twenty thirteen 3546 02:47:09.040 --> 02:47:12.120 was almost like a new foundation for what that could 3547 02:47:12.159 --> 02:47:14.680 be and the next level brains on display here. The 3548 02:47:14.760 --> 02:47:16.760 only way that they could follow up this album was 3549 02:47:16.840 --> 02:47:20.760 to do a one song, thirty three minute EP inspired 3550 02:47:20.799 --> 02:47:23.479 by an ancient library of knowledge in ninth century bag 3551 02:47:23.600 --> 02:47:26.079 Dad that was destroyed by the Mongols in the thirteenth century, 3552 02:47:26.120 --> 02:47:28.520 and it's about the rise and decline of ancient knowledge. 3553 02:47:29.200 --> 02:47:33.559 Sure, throw the horns, Yeah, you've done the Battle of Chando. 3554 02:47:34.200 --> 02:47:36.200 Yeah, let's do this fucking thing. And the only time 3555 02:47:36.360 --> 02:47:38.879 I have seen Gorguts was they did a UK run 3556 02:47:39.000 --> 02:47:42.920 playing that Player These Dust EP before it had come out, 3557 02:47:43.600 --> 02:47:46.399 and I was sent to review the show, hearing that 3558 02:47:46.600 --> 02:47:49.559 thirty three minute song for the first time, played live 3559 02:47:49.719 --> 02:47:54.120 right from and they were really late on stage because 3560 02:47:54.120 --> 02:47:56.280 they're like bus had broken down or they'd been held 3561 02:47:56.319 --> 02:47:58.079 up at the Channel Tunnel or something, So they went 3562 02:47:58.120 --> 02:48:00.440 on at about half ten and I basically saw them 3563 02:48:00.479 --> 02:48:02.920 do plear These Dust, hearing it for the first time 3564 02:48:03.239 --> 02:48:03.840 and then left. 3565 02:48:04.000 --> 02:48:11.000 It was very over stimulated. It's fucking mad. Yeah. I 3566 02:48:11.120 --> 02:48:12.479 remember when that came out and it was like, oh, 3567 02:48:12.520 --> 02:48:14.120 gorget some of new opinion, Oh that would be cool, 3568 02:48:14.280 --> 02:48:15.840 and I thought this will be some offcuts from the 3569 02:48:15.879 --> 02:48:20.520 last record. I presume no thirty three minutes single song. Again, 3570 02:48:20.719 --> 02:48:25.319 like it's just a level of ambitiousness and betting on yourself, 3571 02:48:25.600 --> 02:48:30.840 just like single mindedness that I just think it's so cool. 3572 02:48:31.479 --> 02:48:34.520 Yeah, and then Colored Sounds in hindsight almost becomes like, well, 3573 02:48:34.520 --> 02:48:35.959 at least've got Ocean of Wisdom, which is a bit 3574 02:48:36.000 --> 02:48:39.799 of a banger. It's like this fucking over hour long, 3575 02:48:39.959 --> 02:48:44.079 sprawling nightmare thing is almost like the gateway to get 3576 02:48:44.120 --> 02:48:47.840 you into these They're mad and I would love for 3577 02:48:47.879 --> 02:48:50.399 another Gore Guts album to appear. They did go on 3578 02:48:50.440 --> 02:48:52.879 about like a five six year hiatu from playing shows, 3579 02:48:53.040 --> 02:48:55.319 but they have been active again more recently, so I 3580 02:48:55.399 --> 02:48:57.319 hope that's some signs of life and that it ain't 3581 02:48:57.399 --> 02:49:00.600 done the album that set the standard for the following 3582 02:49:00.840 --> 02:49:03.440 twelve years and counting of avant garde death metal. If 3583 02:49:03.440 --> 02:49:05.200 you like any of the records like that that we 3584 02:49:05.280 --> 02:49:07.479 have reviewed in recent times, you owe it to yourself 3585 02:49:07.600 --> 02:49:11.760 to hear the Godfathers Gorguts and their album Colored Sands. 3586 02:49:12.239 --> 02:49:15.360 The next kind of underground album club pick will be snappier. 3587 02:49:16.879 --> 02:49:18.360 That is where we end this one. 3588 02:49:18.399 --> 02:49:20.000 Let's nice that we looked around from Rusting Peace to 3589 02:49:20.040 --> 02:49:22.120 Colored Sands, even though they're not really related records at all, 3590 02:49:22.120 --> 02:49:25.360 which just feels synergetic somehow. Thank you very much for 3591 02:49:25.680 --> 02:49:30.280 being here with us and listening. Please do go and 3592 02:49:30.360 --> 02:49:32.000 check out these records. If you don't know, and I'm 3593 02:49:32.079 --> 02:49:34.120 sure you know a rust in Peace, I hope you 3594 02:49:34.319 --> 02:49:38.319 enjoyed our hour of just like getting so excited talking. 3595 02:49:38.079 --> 02:49:39.239 About that fucking thing. 3596 02:49:39.440 --> 02:49:41.760 But if you have not heard Killing Jokes two thousand 3597 02:49:41.760 --> 02:49:43.520 and three cell titled if you've never heard the emo 3598 02:49:43.719 --> 02:49:47.079 again kind of like foundational building block that is diary 3599 02:49:47.319 --> 02:49:49.639 by somebody of real estate, and you better prep yourself 3600 02:49:49.680 --> 02:49:51.799 before going into Colored Sands, but it is worth the dive, 3601 02:49:52.760 --> 02:49:54.520 then we encourage you go and d Thank you very 3602 02:49:54.600 --> 02:49:57.520 much for listening and being here with us. Ever, thank 3603 02:49:57.559 --> 02:50:00.479 you to everyone who is here on the Patreon supporting 3604 02:50:00.559 --> 02:50:04.399 us and keeping us alive doing what we do. We 3605 02:50:04.680 --> 02:50:07.280 will return with you know, another one of these in time. 3606 02:50:07.639 --> 02:50:08.200 We will return. 3607 02:50:08.319 --> 02:50:10.719 Before then, I guess we better pick up on our 3608 02:50:10.719 --> 02:50:13.639 poison the well special that Sam mentioned earlier, because we're 3609 02:50:13.719 --> 02:50:17.360 currently in the middle of that thing. But otherwise yeah, 3610 02:50:17.440 --> 02:50:19.159 take care of yourselves, everybody, we'll be back. 3611 02:50:19.360 --> 02:50:20.920 Cheers, Asteroid