Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentleman, and welcome back to the Keepers Podcast.
Welcome to the six hundred and seventy second episode of
The Keepers Podcast. I am the Invisible Man Travis Snail.
I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I Am the I Can Fix Her Jerklin Patzer.
Speaker 3: I'm thea Butter me Up Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Yes, lais gentlemen. I just like that our two nicknames
are just like Thurston for some women. And then you
know this is for Thurston for Paul Walter hous and
you know that's great pole. Walter Houser is a fantastic
actor who we're gonna talk about. Yes, Lesia, and we
are here. We are the first movie of the I
guess his first anything of the Phase six the MCU.
It feels a little weird because I feel like the
phase of has kind of been a mess since Endgame.
But it is the kickoff of the six phase, the
final phase of the Infinity saga that's leading us to
a bunch of good stuff, I hope. But you know,
obviously Marvel's had a rocky road. I'd say since Endgame.
We've talked about the times we didn't check out many
of our newscasts, so you know, earlier this year we
did Captain America, where I think we were all kind
of mixed on Thunderbolts. I think it was a big
surprise for us, which we all kind of liked to
varying degrees. And then we did do the Journey. You
can go on Patron. We reviewed every single Fantastic four,
even the even the Roger Corman one that didn't release.
We reviewed that. That's all in Patreon, the Phase two
tier and up. Talk a little bit more about that later.
But we've had a little bit of journey. And this
is the last Marvel movie of the year, and listen
to this, this last Marvel movie until Spider Man Brand
New Day, which is kind of crazy to say, but
that is the situation here. So as usual, we're going
to give you our non spoiler thoughts and then if
you haven't seen the movie, will we'll take a little pause,
give you a break, let you know when we're driving
to spoilers, will break that wall. And then once after
the break we do that, then all bets are off.
So if you don't want tool be spoiled, get out
of here. If you don't care, then buckle up, baby.
So yeah, mister Pats, I'm gonna let you start. What
did you think non spoilers of Fantastic Four First Steps?
I always forget about the first Steps apart, but that
is the full title.
Speaker 2: I kind of forgot about that subtitle. Also, yeah, just
the Fantastic four. Uh yeah, I mean I thought this
was a really fun time. I thought it was really
solid across the board. I don't think there was really
any moments that I was like scratching my head of like, man,
this is such a terrible decision, or on the other
side of the spectrum, like man, this is blowing my
blowing me away, like fucking peak mcu here. So you know,
some may see that as a negative because it's it's
kind of safe, and I don't think it's like I
don't think I would call this movie like safe, but
there's there's certain there's certain things about it that make
it feel safe, and I don't it's hard to describe.
It's definitely to me a good vibe movie. Like I
just absolutely love the aesthetic of the sixties of what
this film has, and I think they just nailed it
with like the jet sins feel where it's like that
old Retroe but like still futuristic everything down to like
the like the newscasters they interact, the just the cit
like the city, like the citizens, their cars, the way
that they talk, like everything about it. The fashion. I
just totally was vibing with the aesthetic, and I love
the aesthetic. When I first saw like that Fantastic four
logo first time we see them in the suits, I
was just eating that up. So I knew I was
gonna like the aesthetic. But just see like the full movie,
I I just thought it looked really really awesome. There
is some really shoddy CGI in this movie, but there's
also some really fantastic CGI at moments. Particularly our big
bad Galactis, I thought looked phenomenal. It helps that he's
kind of in the darkness for some scenes, but you know,
certain baby was making me think of the getting getting
the flash flashbacks this is. I didn't like that scene to.
Speaker 1: This is this is the phase six of ye this is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well talk about it, but I feel like they
just have like a lot of it too, where it's like,
oh man, was this the best idea? But like in
my head, like what's the alternative? Are you gonna close
train a child?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I guess so the movements is a little bit fishy,
but yeah, you know, we'll talk about when we get there,
but just yeah, ran out my overall thoughts. I think
that the cast is really great. I think something that
this movie does a really good job with from my
point of view, I don't know see how you guys feel,
but I thought they gave like like to me. I
wasn't watching this and being like, man, Read Richard is
such a standout in this team, or like Sue is
such a standout in this team, or Johnny, like I
feel like the team as a whole, I just really enjoyed.
I feel like they all have like a good share
of stuff to do. You know, there's probably a little
bit more with Read and Sue just because of what's
going on, but like, I still feel like Johnny and
Ben are also just really fun. I think those two
together were probably my favorite. Like humor in the movie.
The humor overall wasn't like, you know, making me nie
slapping by any means, But I think there's just like
a certain I don't even know if levity is the
right word, but I'm just gonna grab it and throw
it on there in my sentence because it just it
just sounds right. I don't know, there's something, there's something
nice about this this movie, and like I think this
is gonna be a fun one to rewatch, just because
I do love the aesthetics so much. And yeah, it
just I don't know, it's a good story of start
to finish. I really like some of the space sequences
we're in. I was actually really really vibing with what
else to say, Silver Surfer. That was like a big
anticipation for me, probably like top two or three. Like
most anticipating for the movie was just seeing that character.
And I am definitely happy with what we got. I
don't know, I'm yeah, I don't know. I don't want
to spoil it too much. We'll get there when we
get there. But I was impressed with the character's role
and kind of what they were doing. I was worried
it was just gonna be like, I Am the Herald
of Galactus comes in and then like that's just kind
of it for her. Uh, you know, obviously I do
that she'd be surfing, surfing around and doing some integral
things to the plot, but I think she was in
it more than maybe I was. I was not necessarily
expecting but like worried that we're gonna be getting a
lot less of her. So I was pretty happy with it,
and like it felt like a just a good telling
of like that surfers because clearly we're in a you know,
different multiverse here. Minor spoilers were in Earth eight four eight.
I don't know if they said that before.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but the first, the very first frame
of this movie, yes, Earth, like it tell you so
if anyone's gonna get mad, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it is just like a solid variant, I
guess equivalent.
Speaker 1: I want to know what the specific number of the Earth,
like God, damn, get out of here please, but yeah,
different place.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I I don't know. I I think I
would recommend this movie. It's it's it's nice to like
believing and and for me at least, being like, yeah,
that was that was a solid entry into uh, you know,
not that fun Bolts was like a big miss by
any means. I did have a fun time with that movie. Honestly,
I think the humor is even better in that movie
than it was for me here in Fantastic four. But
I don't know. I'm trying not to sound so like
it was all right, but like I don't know, it
was missing something to really blow my mind. But I
feel like maybe that's when you get into uh, just
more variables of like, well, let's just swing for the
fence and see what happens. I feel like because they
kept it somewhat safe with with some things that were
going on here, it just feels like a nice place
to do it before we get into the you know,
the big Avengers doomsday stuff. Yeah, I think I'll leave
it there because I'm I'm worried I'm gonna leak out
some things, so I'll pass the baton to someone else.
Speaker 1: Taylor, your turn to leak? Yeah, what a scrimped too
much of bread?
Speaker 4: With with all the marketing and everything, I felt like
this movie was.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 4: There was just so there was so much going on
with the marketing. I felt like it was just everywhere.
I felt exhausted with.
Speaker 1: That Superman, with this Taylor's old eyes now can't take
more than three characters on screen.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 4: I got a squint, you know, I got like tunnel.
Speaker 1: Vision Justice, who's the fantastic for I.
Speaker 2: Just want about the marketing, Taylor. I thought the Tron
marketing has been stellar for aries except trailer.
Speaker 5: The trailer trailer was going to break down the Avatar trailer, right,
I got goose bumps for that Avatar trailer.
Speaker 3: Shut the Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Circling back to this movie, uh.
Speaker 1: The yeah, you know, I mean one of the biggest
movies of the year. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I did not have a lot of hype going in.
But that being said, I've just seen Thunderbolts and the
post credits scene that Thunderbolts had everything, Like I was,
I was feeling it.
Speaker 3: I was getting juiced up, but I was.
Speaker 4: There was some anticipation for this, especially because this is.
Speaker 1: Again this is a.
Speaker 4: In terms of the overall narrative and where we're supposed
to be kind of segueing too. I mean, those Avengers
films are not far off, so things need to be
kind of accelerating. That anticipation was there for me, and
I was That's one of the reasons that I was
captivated looking forward to this movie.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 4: I think at the end of this month, having you know,
our third big blockbuster within a month, which I don't
know if we've done that before with Geek first, this
is like, I think we have three big blockbusters in
a month.
Speaker 1: I mean that's I think they're the three ones that
like pertain to us, like the stuff we cover and
really like. But I bet it's happened before. There's probably
just one we skipped right where it's like we're not
going to review be the beat, like so what you did?
I mean like something like that where I bet there's
a couple of big ones. You know, it's fair. So yeah.
Speaker 4: I getting into the movie and just watching it the
world that they built, I was totally absorbed by it.
Speaker 3: I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 4: I think that it felt spot on for this this
futuristic and this retro kind of combination that they did.
I can't remember that the term for it, but you
were telling you you you know what the term is, Travis,
because we we we googled it.
Speaker 1: The futurest retro future or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah, retro futuristic or whatnot.
The same theme, you know, like ruristic futuritious that Fallout has,
you know, the follow Out games kind of celebrate that
a little bit.
Speaker 3: That being that aside, though, just.
Speaker 4: I think the characters, they were fantastic of the actors,
like I wasn't sure how it was gonna like Johnny
based on the trailers, because he felt like in the
trailer portrayal, it just felt like he was like constipated
for most of the time. But in the movie with
the the scenes being a little bit more fluid and
how he's bouncing off the what.
Speaker 1: Do you think again, can you define as Taylor's done
this before where words mean different things him? Can you
define constipated just quickly ten seconds?
Speaker 4: Well, give me, give me a facial reaction if you're constipated,
that works.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's how I That's that's it. Yeah, I
mean without the sound effects. But that's just how Oh.
Speaker 1: God, that's just that's how I feel.
Speaker 4: But again, most of those scenes are just quick cuts
of him and the trailer, and you don't get the
setup and like the build up to those moments, and
so when you actually see him interacting with the other characters,
it's a lot more fluid, and it's a lot more uh,
you know, lax laxative, i'd say, is the counter to that?
Speaker 1: So, did you mean he's locks it and conspey at
the same time.
Speaker 3: No, no, No, The lacks of like the.
Speaker 4: Movie version of Johnny is aces the trailer version that
they were trying to display of him. There was just
something a little bit more more rigid to that character, and.
Speaker 1: I was I think they also did that with Pagro
as well.
Speaker 4: Yes they did, and so but they get everything in here.
It just it jived well. I really really liked it.
It's just the score and the setups. Everything was just
I was having a blast with this movie. And for
aside from a few quick, fast, sporadic things at the start,
once we got into this adventure, I was just like,
from right to the end, I was like, man, I
feel like I'm back in that early MCU days where
we're getting like really awesome, fun Marvel content, and this
felt like it was it was capturing that that essence
for me again and I left the theater very very happy,
and I just.
Speaker 3: Thought this was not what I was expecting.
Speaker 4: And I'm so glad that I got to feel that again,
because with all the different storylines and everything that we
were hitting, I really was just lacking that and missing
that kind of nostalgic MCU feeling and I'm so I'm
so happy that this kind of captures that for me.
And this is one like to the whole back half
of this film, thinking, man, I can't wait to buy that,
to put it on my my MCU shelf with my
other Marvel films, because it's been so long since I
bought in a Marvel film.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm just really really.
Speaker 4: Hyped on this. I want to go see it again.
I think it's great, and yeah, what, I don't know
what else I can what else I can say? Uh,
it's not me, it's not me. What did Detol ask,
what did you best movie?
Speaker 3: I think I don't know.
Speaker 4: Me and Tyler were talking Silver Surfer Rise, the Silver
Surfer he told me in the car, he said, he said.
Speaker 1: He would leave me alone.
Speaker 3: Saw that in theaters.
Speaker 2: That was the Fantastic four movie.
Speaker 1: That's why we don't like to spoil it. We don't
really have a Fantastic We're gonna do the Superman rankings
for the Patron. We're not doing a Fantastic Four rankings because,
like I think it's a very boring episode. Like the
movies are very easy to rank, Like I guess we
could do best in the best characters, but like I
think most of those movies were either a failing grade
or right on the borderline. Other than that first one,
so yeah, there's there's no spoil there, I think, Kirkland,
would you agree with that? Would you say it's best
four movie?
Speaker 2: Yes, with a bullet point, Yeah, I'd agree with that,
but not that hard to do?
Speaker 1: Right, The Roger Corman one's kind of messy. Fan for
stick I think I still like the five one right,
silver Surface messy. So like it's not a that's not
an easy or that's not a hard thing to do.
So tay you done with your over World thoughts?
Speaker 4: I guess, And I don't want to say that because
it's not Maybe it's a spoiler.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Some people have seen certain things in the trailers, and
the trailers have shown like a couple of things. So
I'll save it from my opening statement.
Speaker 3: When we are into the spoiler territory.
Speaker 2: Yes, you assume you get the opening statement, but I'm
taking it.
Speaker 1: No, I'm taking it smart. I'm gonna kick you all out. Yeah.
So this is a movie that I've been interested in
quite a while because it's I love these big these
these GV big event films where not event film per se,
but I feel like this is something we've been talking
about at least for a long time since the podcast started,
but obviously for sure twenty eighteen when Disney bought Fox
right because they bought them and they got F four
and they got X Men, and weeks after we did
our fan cast, we should go back in a newscast
and look at who we cast for the Fantastic Four
back in twenty eighteen, because I wonder what we were
all thinking back then. But so f for is not
my team. They're not the characters I really glom onto.
It's not like I dislike them. I just I like
them in crossover events. I've read a lot of them
in other stories, but a lot of their own separate journeys.
I've read a little love just because they've just never
done it for me per se. I'm not sure why.
In a sense, I think when I was younger, they
filmed that like Superman category like yeah, they've been too
goody two shirt. They just have like those hard edges.
I'm sure someone be like, oh, in nineteen sixty seven,
there would be blah blah blah. It's like no, no,
like sure, but like in my eyes, you know, Superman,
shiz I am this, It's like I want something a
bit more gritty, right, And as I grew up, same thing,
like enjoyed those movies. We can go back check out
the retros, like some of those movies that came I
was a kid, but something I didn't see in theaters,
Like I just never cared about them too much. Right.
But luckily as we went on, we got this cast,
which is the thing I've always cared the most about.
Vanessa Kirby, you know, gonna do a tresh totally Patty
in the back, just like Auscar Isaac. That was my
pick and I was very happy she got cast. So
I had that bias going in. But Pedro, I was
on the Pedro supporting team. But at the same time
you have the cast to like, well, it's Fantastic four,
and you know he had Shakman who did WandaVision who
Fantastic Show had some iffiness near the end, so it's like, Okay,
what's he gonna do for a movie? And if you
were to ask me, probably you know January I was
on the podcast when you guys did do the movie
preview or whatnot? I guess it was. But either way,
when we got closer to it, I would have said
easily between Superman Captain America, Thunderbolts and Fantastic Fourth Thunderbolts
will be ranked last. As far as my excitement so much.
To my surprise, it's ranked first for the comic movies
I like the most this year. This movie is fucking amazing.
I loved almost Mike cons are one CGI Baby and
I wanted it a little.
Speaker 4: The Twilight Baby came out to play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get there. They lost all the budget on
Galactus and there's some bad baby shots. I don't care
if it's to prepare yourself. There is a baby that
is horrific looking in here. Especially there's key scenes where
it's like emotional stuff's going on. Then it's like, here's
CGI Baby again. Close ups Matt Shackman, DP, whoever close
ups You fucking get close and you're good looking actors.
But no, I love this movie. I agree with Taylor
where it feels old school Marvel, well where to me
it feels the biggest compared person. It's like Ironman, Cata America,
First Avenger and Black Panther where they're in the MCU.
But really, other than a few ties, you don't even
need it, you know. Again, I think that's what they
need to go back to obviously, if I stop bocked
up talked about that, but I think you can have
your everyone swheill, you cross over your civil wars, but
you gotta go back to Hey, you could really just
watch iron Man on its own and the end credit happens.
That's great, But if you turn the movie off, it
doesn't affect the movie, right, it's not a setup movie.
And same thing with this, and that's where Man. Obviously
it's a little bit different because everyone knows this. They're
gonna be an Avengers, and there is some set up
stuff with this. I'd say in the end credits, minor spoilers,
but everyone knows this. We all they've spoiled this themselves, right.
But for me, again, up until then, you could just
watch the movie as is. And I've always said before
I would love it for Marvel to say, hey, we're
gonna make an iron Man movie, said nineteen ninety and
it's not connected to anything. Yeah, we're gonna get Tom
Cruise play Iron Man. It's he's not gonna kind of
like what Joker was, right, like, we're just gonna go
off by itself. This is not exactly that because it
is connected in but it feels like that, and many
times we're just feel like, hey, we're gonna make this
movie an eight three eight that's what was Kirklan you
said was eight three eight eight eight four eight. Thank you?
And this is just gonna be fantastic for a movie
by itself, like this is I want more of this,
even if like who knows what happens with the MULTIVERSEECA,
I would love what they introduced, more characters like this
where it is like not even different country, like literally
a whole different universe. Like if this is how we
get the X Men, I'm completely fine at that. If
it's not, when we go, oh, how do they do
the X Men? They haven't been around, Like where's Wolverine,
it's like no, if they just say yeah, it's a
Earth you know, six one eight perfect, Like they nailed
the universe. I love the differences. I love that we
didn't have a bunch of heroes like before we always
theorize like oh, could there be a cameo with this
and that. No, it was great. I love and I
think they'll are Kirkling. You brought a good point with
the I think if people love MCU for its humor
and the NIS Lappers. This movie is not that, But
that's why I enjoy it because it doesn't feel like
there's a joke a mile man. It doesn't feel like
there's something super dramatic that happens and then cuts the tension.
John o' crack a joke, sure, but at the most times,
like there's a scene in the middle scene near the
end where it's like there's some big stuff happening here
and no one's throwing a quip out just to be like, hey,
remember where we are? Like it, it feels way more
like like I said, Black Panther and Iron Man in
that sort of sense where it just feels grounded in
its own reality, which I really love. Yeah, Galactus and
Silver Surfer that they did a fantastic job. Could have
used more on Silver Surf. We talk about that, and
I think almost that's my only connics. I could have
used more of everything. Like I said, Kirby, I not
surprised at all. There's a reason, Like I'm not an
F four connoisseur, but what I read of Sue Storm
and what I've seen of her and what I've seen
a Kirby always she's gonna kill it, man. She is
like already like adop ten or for me, like I
loved Sue Storm so much, so for me, she was
a standout, and not just because I've brought in like
I love Curby and a lot of other stuff. Just
she nailed it and I love multiple scenes. There's a
big speech she gets she is the core of the
family like she is in the comic books, and not
that you guys, I think doubt this, but I'll take
a victory lab because I feel like I was just
like in twenty fifteen when Ben Affleck got cast as
Batman and people were like, oh man, I don't know
about the same thing as Pedro. For some reason, one
of the greatest actors currently working right now gets cast
as Read Richards and people like, I don't know if
he can do it. He hasn't shaved his mustache. I
don't know if he can do it. Y'all are fucking some.
I'm gonna say nicely, uh, misunderstood with your thoughts because
he killed That's where too. The way Taylor was happy
about Johnny, I was happy about Reid well againness was
There's so much dimensions they did not show in the trailer.
They just showed up he's likable Pedro, and he's like
charming and good looking. No, you get the read that
I was wanting, the read that can be very smart,
very charming, very clever, but devious and kind of an
asshole and kind of somebody that to me, you should
like read the least out of the f four, and
in this movie multiple times you do. And I think
they nailed that, and that's a great thing. Pedro. We've
seen that Last Hous which again I have seen Pedro
in a while because I didn't see Glad A or
two and there's other stuff. But it's like I kind
of forget Last of Us makes him look so old
because he's on screen like, oh my, man's he's looking
young here. I'm like, oh right, no, Joel. They just
fucking make him look old as lately. But he's not
aged that poorly, which is good. Yeah. I think, uh,
Joseph Quinn, I think he is very good. And my
only thing is, man, does he feel like he's doing
a Ryan Gosling like like performance in a way like
if you were to tell me this was young Ryan
Gosling like from the Nice Guys or even fal Guy,
like he has that energy big time even the way
he's speech and he does his American accent. He sounds
like Gran Gostlin. Not a bad thing because Gospel made
a great four. But that's all I could see. And
I like Eva Moss background as the thing as Ben Grimm.
But I think that's my weak point again, that we
didn't get enough of that character. I think he kind
of got short change. I'm not sure if they looked
at other movies where Ben Grimm plays a small or
a big role, like maybe not this time. So uh no,
I and you mentioned I'm cracking on the baby, but
the visuals some of the best visuals in the MSU period,
not in this saga, not in this decade period, like
you could literally because I heard that before. I'm not
gonna go as far as some people being like it
looked like interstellar. That's a state too far from me.
But I could see as like the MC's Interstellar A
sure like this is literally multiple state space sequences. I
could not believe the environments and stuff that this was
the MCU, which lately has since ant manon on always
the MCU's had some issues at CGI, right, but usually
it's a sequence, a scene, you know, you know, sometimes
like Black Panther suffers more from others, but I felt
from ant Man on it was way more noseablele all
the time, where this flawless, great stuff like it was.
I was so surprised how good look. I thought people
were being like hyperbolic when they talked about the visuals,
and no, they they deliver big time Galactus Silver Surfer,
the locations, even the set. There's a couple of times
where the things on the street and you're like, the
street's not the street's not here at all, but their
their house di vide everything. So no, I absolutely love
this movie. Very surprised. I looked at my MCU rankings.
I don't think it's in the top ten, but it
might be. I need to think about the tenth spot,
which right now I have, But yeah, I can't put
that over Guardians one, that's what I currently attend spot.
I can't put it there. But I'm pretty sure this
is eleven. So it's like right underneath that top ten.
And yeah, I was surprised how much I loved him
excited tell but I much like Thunderbolts. Uh. I don't
know how much we're gonna see them past doomsday, but man,
I hope this makes money because let Shackman do his thing,
let the team do the thing. I could take three
of these if they if they can nail this and
nail the X Men, and we got Tom holl and
Spier Spider Man then eventually recast Tony and Kapp like
I'm good if like the next five years is Hall
and X Men and F four leading the charge because
I was invested in all these characters, especially Pedro and
especially Kirby. So for me, I thought they did a
fantastic job. And yeah, very surprised.
Speaker 4: So you you highlighted something, you said something that made me,
uh maybe think good.
Speaker 1: I like to do that, so I try to do well.
Speaker 4: It's it's interesting because I I I think that their
fault was tackling a bunch of stories all within the
same like multiversal timeline. I think one of their strongest
suits was, like you highlighted Dead Wool, Wolverine, and then
obviously in this with Fantastic Four, they should have just
been focusing on characters and teams and whatnot, all from
different multiverses. We're in the multiverse saga, so why not
just be tackling and giving us these different organ stories in.
Speaker 1: Different Echo, No Ironhrder you know, you know what, any
of those.
Speaker 3: You could you could know.
Speaker 1: You can just say no, you can say no, I
don't no, no, don't don't even like street level one,
you know, no Hawkkey, you know there is.
Speaker 4: A level for a level of fandom for street level things,
for sure. But I think you know, Hawkeye, it tackled
that street level kind of threat. And I mean you could.
Speaker 1: To have fully. I think there just should have been more.
But I don't think you should have done everything. I
think you should still keep stuff based on the six
one six and everything, but I think there should have
been more for the multiverse saga and the like. We've
talked about before. The multiverse movies are the ones that
have the biggest box office too. So and I guess, well,
Loki Loki had the multiverse stuff, right, I guess that
was really the only TV show I guess if you
want to count what If and stuff? So yeah, yeah,
So anything else in the chat here? Do you tell
us how they was stretching powers? I thought some of
the best they look, actually, because I've always said stretching
powers are lame and it's very hard to make that
look cool, and I think they were smart to do
it very lightly. That's another thing I enjoyed. There's I
won't say my I think it's my sports. I think
there's like only three action scenes in here, and like
the first action scenes like a montage like this movie,
which I'm glad I didn't take the kids do because
I think Gwen wall like it. I think Logan could
have been bored, very talky, which I enjoyed. But the
action scenes, they're big when they happen, but very few
and far in between. Like when I saw read stretching,
like right, we haven't seen them stretching like an hour,
and the first.
Speaker 2: Time we saw it is when he's really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think they looked good, but I think
they use them right way accordingly. Is he turning into
like a fucking key like a teapot, No, he's not.
They keep it very you know, regular fighting, stretching in
the club. Yeah, I don't need any of that. I'm
fine with it. But I thought he looked good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it looked good. There's a particular scene
he's not in the most comfortable position that I was like, damn,
that looks pretty pretty nearly. Oh yeah, Yeah, that was cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's great.
Speaker 4: I think I think all their powers looked really really just,
especially Sue.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel like the light like barrier, whatever the
fuck her power even is, with like just force fields,
it can look iffy because it's just like there's an effect.
It's like, hey, her power is being used. But in
this particular, it was like actually looking like a light,
like a like a magical light that she was using.
I just thought it looked really uh really good. They
just looked top notch.
Speaker 1: Apparently they like they use some sort of camera practical
effect to like get like I don't think like a
lens player. I can't remember what the term was, but something
like that. I'm sure of course they did stuff digital aftwise,
but to do some of that they use like yeah,
imagine this gone with the Danny Boyle like out of
the nuts. But yeah, and those powers are they all
have hard I guess not but read and see have
hard powers, like it's hard to do the whole telekinesis
and like vibes and like airwaves and invisibility like those
can look lame or just not work. But yeah, I
think that all looks good and everything so I, oh,
never mind spoilers, I won't say that. Yeah, try to
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Kirkland start now, I'm joking, Tao. You said you wanted
to have a starting point right away, So where where's
the right way starting point?
Speaker 4: I mean you you highlighted it with just the baby thing,
and I thought that I was. I thought we were
gonna be skipping over a little bit more time throughout
this and.
Speaker 3: Just the moment that baby.
Speaker 4: Was born is like, that's not a newborn baby, holy shit,
Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they were gonna make that like a story.
Reason Like I thought, because galactus induced for labor, essentially,
it's like, oh, he's just gonna be growing. And then
I thought, like he think we might just be getting
a fucking not an adult Franklin, but like I like,
I don't know, eight or seven year old by the
end of the movie, likes baby because when he comes out,
I'm like, damn, like that baby's fuck what? Like you know,
I haven't had a child, but like, what is that
A couple of weeks, a couple of months maybe like.
Speaker 1: Old months for sure, just a length on the head
of hair, blue eyes. My twins right now are eight months,
are about to be eight months, and they they look
smaller than that.
Speaker 2: You know, they're like half half a person each.
Speaker 1: Okay, so if I put them on top of each other,
that kid is still bigger than them. Like it was.
It was. It was strange. It was definitely an older kid.
At first, I thought, okay, you're gonna do that because
you're handing them off a lot. But man, yeah, if
people you're listening just was you didn't see the movie.
So it was fine, right because they do great intensing
we're gonna go all over the place. But when they
first visit Galactus, we'll get there, but Galacus senses this
baby and kind of induces the labor as Kirkland says,
and great set piece where they're trying to escape Galactus
and Sue is given birth, and my like, I knew
nothing bad was gonna happen, but I thought the pacing
of the scene, just the cineatography everything, I was like,
oh my god, like heart was bump bumping right, pumping,
all that good stuff what your heart wants to be doing.
So she's about to give birth. She gives birth, and
then of course, you know, the thing catches the baby
and then hands it off. I'm fine with the CGI
there because it's like the baby's like floating over her.
She just gave birth. Kind of understand you don't want like, hey,
can you float your baby? That's fine. But then even
when they do the handoff, it's like CGI for a
little bit. But then they switched to it over over
the shoulder shot and that's where it's like a practical
real life baby. So you're like, okay, hopefully from now
on it's gonna happen. But then we're it's into situations
because I love this little connection they have where Ben
Grimm is like a very seems like close knit uncle.
The baby's always holding the baby. But then the problem
is you have this baby like it's a real life
baby for a lot of that but next to the thing,
so then they have to see you have that baby
sometimes you got that and then again spoilers, they're planning
to see this movie jump away when we look like
we're losing Sue, which for like a split second, I thought,
oh man, they're actually killing her off. I'm running through
all the scenarios. I'm like, are they gonna find another
multiverse Sue? Is that what they're gonna do with Doom
is like doo, I'm gonna make some sort of deal
where hey, like, if you help me out at four,
I'll bring back your wife. Like I'm thinking about all
this stuff, like what could happen? Then I see the baby.
I'm like, oh no, this is perfect becase it's supposed
to be this huge you know, uh power set baby
godlike power sometimes in the comics of Mutant. So it's like, okay,
brings her back to life. But as they're just putting
the baby on Sue just to be like, you know,
say say goodbye to your dead mother. Here a little
month year old put her on there. But when they
hand the baby off, they take out the widest shot
you've maybe ever seen the team in this movie, and man,
it is a CGI like it's like moving around and
it looks like it needed like six more renders. It
was I'm not gonna say log truck rough. This to
me is the new standard. This is like I'd have
to look at this and pit the troll. But that
handoff of ben Grim handing the baby to read in
the found moments took me killed all my emotion, took
me right out of it. And that's where it's like
just fucking zoom in and have a head, have a
head and that's all you can see, or some hair
or even if you have to cegi, at least you're
just cgiing like a like twenty percent of this baby.
The whole body. That was not it because when we
put on suit, it's like back to me like a
real life baby for the most part. But yeah, it
was a daunting, scary thing. Like I thought the Squid
Game Baby Taylor was looking bad and Squid Game season three,
this was right on par with that. So yeah, they
should have someone should have been on set and saw
that been Like you know how we love to reshoot movies.
We're fucking reshooting all these baby scenes like they look
bad for a movie that most of them looks visually stunning.
Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't go that far personally.
Speaker 1: About the visually stunning or the baby.
Speaker 2: The baby both honestly.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well you know we don't need was a
bad baby. Yeah, that was a bad You don't think
anything in this movie is visually okay to talk now,
don't laugh to either.
Speaker 3: That's my show.
Speaker 1: Now. You don't think like when they're going you don't
think they're going through the black hole and silver sers
of fucking like Rolling.
Speaker 2: Space sequences was some of the best looking visuals.
Speaker 1: And that's visually stunning too.
Speaker 2: I think that was visually stunning.
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, you said nothing was visually stunning in
this movie. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I don't think that's what I think. Back a little
bit when you said no, I say, at times looks
just perfection. I guess, okay, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Then tell me what I'm telling.
Speaker 2: I think just the baby stuff, Like I do agree,
it's it's it looks it's looking rough. But like, man,
rewatch that log truck scene, like that is like that's unacceptable.
That is like Microsoft, Oh you're pulling up right now?
This guy? Uh like for the baby, like I don't know,
Like anytime Ben is like holding the child, it just
looks rough. I don't know, Like Ben is a CG creature,
but like he looks really good, so like solid, no
pun intended. I think he looks fantastic throughout the whole
the whole flick. But when he's holding that baby, it's
just like moving around and like just looking glitchy at times.
Speaker 3: And yes, it's a.
Speaker 1: CG creature holding a real life thing, which is like
always a tricky scenario, right.
Speaker 2: So and somehow he's making the real life thing look
just so robotic and like so just yeah, like like
I don't know, just just like an AI render, like
it looks interesting at times, but in that scene, like
I don't know, it's also just bright and like there's
just a lot going on. Like sure in that moment,
I'm thinking, I'm like, is this really like our final copy?
Like this is this is what we're doing here? Okay whatever,
I'll allow it. But at no time, pretty much, at
any time in this movie was like, man, this is
the worst looking d m C was looked for for
like visual c G. I okay, pull it up.
Speaker 1: This is the moonnight long truck scene hearing go and
here comes Uh is it crash? Oh yeah it does.
And then like you get to see more of it
because to see what happens here there like crushes, Yeah,
yeah it does. Even his car looks really bad here
Man Disney plus E MC had some I had some
real come on, I see. My issue is I I
think they're pretty on part.
Speaker 2: I think in the bottom right, oh my god, go
watch that video.
Speaker 1: I think my issue is that scene is not as
vital as weird about.
Speaker 2: That much longer scene too. So yeah, I guess I'll
give you that.
Speaker 1: And I think it just takes me out because I'm
I'm starting to like not get emotional because like, I
know Kurby's coming back. I know they're not like killing
her off in her first appearance like completely even as
multiverse stuff, but it just was it was a daunting
thing to see and I just, yeah, I don't, I
just you know, close ups. Luckily you know that kid
when we get to the end credits, they've aged them
up four years, so hopefully that doesn't have to happen
until they have their daughter. And I hope they learn
once they have their daughter. In F four to two
to yeah, work on the closets, which is again weird
that the clos movie first steps because we all thought, oh,
they're calling its first steps because that baby's gonna walk.
Baby doesn't fucking walk. You know, baby doesn't move at all,
even even in the end credit he's sitting on a chair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he can walk.
Speaker 1: What do we know that?
Speaker 2: I would hope so he's like talk and four years old.
Speaker 1: No, no, maybe that's why he grew fast, but he
still can't walk and stuff like that. But TC twin
for says that baby's body was super sized in that scene.
It was because they had a weird like blanket on
him and stuff. So yeah, I don't know anything else
about Uh, you guys go back. What do you guys
think about the birthing scene as far as the you know,
they're don't got enough fuel. They're trying to shoot around
a star. You got the silver surfer just on their ass.
They take all the surfer like it's like a boss ball,
like three separate times, like they loser. Great moment where
the fuck surfer is gonna just tear the baby from Sue's.
Speaker 3: Out wile.
Speaker 1: Man. But that's where they hit like light speed, losing Okay,
that was close, and then the whole fucking like wormhole's
going on. So then they're shooting. Johnny shoots her with
like spinning the bolt hits her, says okay, we got
rid of he now, and then she goes back and
they got to use a fucking black hole. They'll like
get rid of her. So I love the scene. It
felt like if we got the movie Tying video game,
that might be the funnest boss battle of the game
to play. So I loved all the that stuff.
Speaker 2: God take us back to the era when we just
get the movie Tian video games. I wish she was
just how fantastical there there are these days. But no,
I I don't know for sure, but that might be
my favorite scene of the movie. Like I might have
to stew on it a little bit longer, but yeah, visually,
I mean it looks fantastic. You know. Reminded me of
my arguably my favorite Nolan film, Interstellar, with just like
the big giant black hole in the background. Like it's
just a good moment because I feel like every character
kind of has something to do in that sequence. Yeah,
like you know, reads.
Speaker 1: Not really ill, like just like what am I doing? Here,
like even Johnny I was so happy. How Like, I
don't think Chris Emmens joining really does anything in those
fucking movies, right other than like bang Chicks and he
has great jokes. But this guy, like multiple time, so yeah, yeah,
but this guy is like like three occasions solves and
helps the team, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, no, one hundred percent, Like I mean, Ben
helps birth the child even though he's like the critical
pilot of this whole mission. Herbie comes in to step in.
I guess read's doing some stretching powers in that moment,
but he's kind of just being the I mean, it
is important to hold her down in that moment, but
being the supporting husband. Yeah, Like, there's just so much
going on. And then as you mentioned, like Silver Surfer
is right on their ass, like it's such a just
a critical moment, so I think because everything, like, yeah,
there's just so much going on in that sequence. That
might be my favorite, but fuck man, I mean, I mean, yeah,
I don't want to veer us away, but my probably
my favorite scene is honestly just like extension of what
the trailer was with the Silver Surfer's entrance. That one
I had to put my popcorn down and I was goosebumping.
It was uh, it was getting me ready to go.
Speaker 1: So like the first like the Harold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like well like when they're just chilling, He's like, look,
I got like the automated cops just doing this. The
gang's getting taken out, and then it just costs like
fucking more doors invading. It's just like red Sky. It's like,
what the hell's coming? And then you just have the
silver Surfer coming down. Oh my god, man, that that
that one got me hyped. But uh yeah, rounding out
that that space sequence though, I thought that was really
really good shot. And I don't know, I like, in
my mind, I'm like the logistics of like birthing a
child in space and just like how much that must
just fuck up the body of the child. There's so
many moments in this moon like that child is permanent
hearing damage just like like like a yeah, true, no,
one hundred percent that that would be the explanation why
it doesn't happen that way, But just how sensitive a
child Like isn't a baby like aren't there heads like
not even hard when they're first like born, it's like
a like soft spot sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hardhead Franklin Richard's they call him in the comics.
Speaker 2: Too, that's his superhero name. It's like the jug those helmets.
Speaker 1: Well, he doesn't have to because that's his head. It's
that hard. He can just run with his head and
battering ram so on the hardhead bitch Gee's twin versus
that surfing. His power power scaling was all over the place.
In my opinion, she should have been able to handle
F four alone with some feats she had in the
first half of the movie.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess she just me was never put in a
place where she had to like fight the F four alone,
like that chase scene when it leads a black hole.
That's to me them out running her, you know, I
just yeah, No, I think I was fine with all that.
None of that really bugged me the few times they
hit her. Also, when you kind of learn as usual,
like her heart's gonna half in it, I think that
always helps, right because it's almost like a superman like
I'm holding back a little bit point of view. So No,
I thought she was used perfectly fine. Again, I could
have used more of her. I almost worried when they
got Galactus through like the transportation. I was like, man,
is Silver Surfer like not gonna get like a moment
of redemption here When he first went through the portal,
I was like, she's just gonna okay, thanks for telling
me I was a bad person fly away. But luckily
she came in and made her move there. But yeah,
Julie Gardner was great, But I wish we could have
used her a bit more. I don't know what you do,
per se, like maybe she could have been around the
final bat a little bit more, maybe more scenes of
like the human stuff. Again, I love that visual when
she gets like sucked on, when it's like this like
blue white sort of Earth or planet like beat she's
on and then just this red beam. And I could
have used a bit more of that, you know, because,
like I said, she's a very talented actress. So I was.
I think it got a little bit above my expectations because,
like you said, I think some of those trailers worried
me that she was gonna be very little, like just
very just a you know, almost a cosmic goon. I
think she did have more than that, but I still
was wanting a little bit more. But as I've said,
I kind of want that for her. I want that
for Ben. I even want that for johnn a little bit.
Even Read and Sue. I could took a couple more
Read and Sue's scenes. Again, this movie is like two hours.
That's a classic MC thing. And even with Superman that
happened a couple weeks ago, same thing. Some of our
biggest problems were like, this movie would be so much
better if you could add fifteen twenty minutes of this,
this and this, and I feel like the same thing
with this movie. I know they're obsessed with let's make
it shorter and getting all these screens, but I think
a law of these care same thing. Like Ben and
Reid have like one scene alone and that's really it.
And they're supposed to be like best friends, you know,
and they're always around. Don't get me wrong, but I
would be down for more stuff Like in that moment
when I love it. It's very comic coded when they go, hey,
only way to get Galacs here, we're gonna have to
use the baby is bait and Kirby's already realized that,
so she's freaking out. But when Ben realized that, he
seems like a shamed that his friend would even think
that way, but we don't really get them talking at all.
It's just him and Johnny and the next scene like
joking around like should I go talk to him? Should
you go talk to him? You know, Like I would
love a scene of Ben being like what the fuck
are you thinking here? Like in a way where because
that happens many times where Ben and Sue kind of
gang up on, which was even in the Ultimate Universe,
she ends up leaving like read for Ben and Reid
becomes like a villain of that universe. Like there's times
where they become romantically involved. So I thought they didn't
do that, but I thought they showed that they did
have more of a connection. And I just wish there
was more in general kind of have everybody. So I know,
I went veered off, but just the Surfer remind me
of just other instances of the movies that I could
use a little bit more, even say thing more Surfer
and Galactus stuff would have been great, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I completely agree. I think it's touck
like this is a two hour movie, but like the
pacing feels really fast, like I thought we were moving
rocket speed throughout this film and not in like a
bad way. It was just it just felt like we
weren't messing around of like extending certain scenes like you know,
we you don't breaking the fourth wall. We talked about
the game movie and like there's a moment when you know,
maybe it wakes up in South of the Border and
it just like it feels like the movie pacing wise
just like hits the brakes and then and then it's
like really, but like I don't think this movie has
any moments like that at Alllogy. It just feels like
we're going at a constant you know, point eight eight
light speed, like like like mister read Richards tells us
to fly at and like, you know, you're talking about
some certain scenes, Like yeah, I definitely would have enjoyed more,
but I don't think like I can take points away
for maybe not having like another Silver Surfer and Galactus
scene or like you laid out with any of the members,
Like I obviously would have just taken more because I
enjoyed what we Like, I enjoyed the on screen chemistry
and just what was shown. But I don't know, I
thought it worked for the most part for me, and
even the Silver Surfer, like specifically stuff like with her
and her home planet, or just the dynamic between her
and Galactus. I think that might be the one I
would have, Like, if I could only choose one scene
to get like one extra you know, a couple of
minutes on or just another throw to them scene, probably
would have been between Silver Surfer and Galactus, just just
to see I don't know a little bit more of
that dynamic. And because like you know, it's just okay,
he's controlling her because she sacrificed herself to save her
planet and it's just like ultimate loyalty. But like I guess,
I guess not because at the end she kind of
goes against him, and like there's not really an explanation
on like how she's able to do that, Like why
wouldn't she have just done that earlier on? But I
guess because they had her, they had Galactus on the ropes.
This is her one chance to like put in the
final blow, like she wouldn't have had the power to
do that on her own. I guess that would be
the reasoning.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I just was clear unclear. They kind
of made seem I had no point thought in this movie.
I thought it was okay, Yeah, they made the sacrifice.
She was that, but they almost made like she had
amnesia to a point because they play all these voices
and joys like these are all the planets.
Speaker 2: You've imagine because it's just been so long, like she
probably was taken like millions of years.
Speaker 4: Well it's like the equivalent let's let's say, like look
at and or when they put Bis up to the
hardware where she's to listen to everyone dying, like all
the people being like that's a race being annihilated. I
think when you're in this situation, you're finally put up
to the put up to bat, do you have to
hear like hundreds, maybe thousands of worlds all screaming like
please save us, and you're.
Speaker 3: Responsible for all of them.
Speaker 1: The only different well, the only difference though is like
Bix is not responsible for all that, right.
Speaker 3: Like Biggs is like a good per worse then for her, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I just thought it was an easy turn.
I liked the idea of Johnny that was his little
mcguffin of hear her talk you figure out was sentenced,
got an algorithm, did all this stuff. I just thought
it was gonna lead to more and I was fine
with him that being the way he finds out the
origin of her I thought, Okay, that's very clever. But
for that to kind of be her turning point, I
I don't know. I think I needed more from the
character to realize why she turned on Galactus because when
it's like, yeah, it sucks that all these people are dying,
but I'm still doing this for the same reason I started.
Because if I don't do this, he's gonna kill We're
presuming that might have been her daughter or even a
little sister and all these other people I love. So
it's like, yeah, these voices do really suck, but like
the motivation hasn't changed, Like I thought maybe he could
find a way out for he or something, but no,
so I guess it just that didn't fully pay off
for me, like I was hoping for it too. Not
a bad scene. I thought it was fun enough and
you know, again gave Johnny something due and I thought
they had some fun chemistry. And I hope we bump
into her again. I hope it's not just like you know,
I know people like where's my Noirm rat? But it's
like I had no issues with the shell ball being
like the main Silver Surfer here, and I'd be fine
she was again in the future, like I would have
liked more. But so that that will be a little
shit if we do actually never see her again. If
we can see her again, then maybe you kind of
kind of build upon this, but we never see her again,
it feels kind of a little lackluster overall. Oh, then,
I think the presentation was very good and I think
the the just the vibe of that character worked very well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna bring up TC twenty four's comment here,
so she should have no problem snatching Franklin like at
the end sequence. That definitely was in my mind when
it's like from Galactus perspective, like why is he even
coming to Earth? Why not be like, hey, Silver Surfer
and take Franklin from them.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know if she went back though, right,
we don't know if she ever went back, and that's
why we could use more.
Speaker 2: But she she freaks.
Speaker 1: Out, and even then too at the end, when you're
bringing up like she destroys all the scenes, why doesn't
she go get Franklin. She does, like she goes to
but that's when Johnny plays the tapes, right, so he
that was the last resort of, Hey, if things fucking
go shit, I'm gonna pull the origin story on her. Right,
So again I was all fun that because Johnny got
to her an emotional level and we never know if
he or that could be a thing of Galactis of
she's the Harald. But that doesn't mean he wants her
to do the dirty work per se. Right, Like it's
tricky because he did, because it went from Clactus being hey,
I wn't destroy your plant, just give me that baby,
like it sounds like it was literally a deal he
was making to now we're gonna get that fucking baby
like like it was like he sent her after the chase.
He was disappointed when she didn't get it, but I
was fine with her not getting the baby due to
the emotional stuff. And then, like I said, the end,
we don't know she ever went back to clact She
could have just been hanging out on the cosmost waiting
to kick him in the face of the board.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a fair observation. I didn't really think
about that. I just assumed it's like, where else is
she gonna go back to the mother ship? But because
I imagine he would have at least used her like as
a weapon in that invasion, at least for backup. But yeah,
if she never went back, that would make sense why
he used to just get down there. Great entrance too.
He's just like on this floating throne. And then just
like way I thought Godzilla was gonna come out of
the ocean just have a whole fucking Kaiju battle there.
But god damn did Galactus look good. I was so impressed.
Oh yes, but Taylor, do you want to throw in anything?
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I just want to so highlighted silver Surfer.
She was absolutely fantastic. And when you would if they
put this out in like a little clipht I slip
it out before the movie dropped, just when she's like,
I harold his beginning, I harold your end. I harolds
every time, even the theaters meant. I just get the
hairs go up in my arms as goosebumps, just the
way she delivers that line. And you got the Canada
Dry advertisement in the background. I saw too can of.
Speaker 2: Dry as they had that ad on repeat. That was
like my eyes just went to that every single time
when they would go to like what is it in
New York where they had their fucking what's happening? Uh?
Times square, times square, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just cause your attention.
Speaker 4: But yeah, she's she's awesome, and I like that she
just I like everything about them breaking down her language,
Johnny figuring that out and just him kind of going
rogue and just putting all all the language against her
just so she hears it in her language. But it's
all these different races, just kind of like pleading for
their lives and pleading mercy and everything. Like it's just
it hits hits home and she just goes like crazy
and she flies off and yeah, just a little.
Speaker 3: Bit of Baxter on there.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's, it's it's great. I think they did
a really really good job with her. And I know
people were talking about how she looked c G I
wise and the trailers and before.
Speaker 3: I think she looks absolutely stow.
Speaker 4: Like we've already talked about the effects, but she looks
so freaking good. Like there was a part where it
was like a backshot where you see her hair. It's like, man,
it looks like real metal fucking hair, and then it rotates.
Speaker 1: Over your back.
Speaker 3: Good backshot, good back.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Johnny, anytimes the Hairld's coming leading into Essential
essentially leading into Galactus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everything that whole sequence where they were fleeing away
and like she's like a silver surfer is on like
riding the fucking lava, and it's like, god, damn, this
looks cool.
Speaker 1: Had like, legit, she was surfing.
Speaker 4: I was going I was getting flashbackstick to the back
to like the early two thousands of biotical game playing
the Toatahuo surfing on lava.
Speaker 3: I was like, man, this is fucking great. I love this.
Speaker 1: I never read drops the You know, he can make
up all these terms for the past ten years, but
I would believe him.
Speaker 4: He just like, well, they're that sequence and so many
others because Madison Leonov is like I'd love to play it,
like go on this roller goes to ride if this
is a ride, but.
Speaker 3: That's at the back, so yeah, the backshot.
Speaker 4: So many of these moments in this movie felt like
video games, where it was mister Fantastic scaling Galactus Galactys
like his backside that's right. Yeah, It's like, man, this
is just like a like a video game whole kind
of like Defeat the Boss.
Speaker 3: And I loved all that. I was eating it up.
Speaker 4: But yeah, particularly that space sequence when they're fleeing, and yeah,
silver surfers trying to like get at them and whatnot.
Just floating on the lava that was awesome, and and
just all those different.
Speaker 3: Things and Galactus.
Speaker 4: When you first meet him, he doesn't feel like like Thanos.
Feels like Thanos in his own way, but this felt
like just another terrifying it. Even though he got like
slapped and pushed into that black hole, I don't for
a second feel like he's any lesser of like a terrifying,
like all powerful being like I. As soon as he
got put in there, and like, you know, he's not dead,
I still feel I'd feel uneasy and scared knowing he's
still out there and he is going to come back.
When I'm glad that they didn't kill him off and
he's gonna come back. But he's just he was so scary,
and he looked great, but everything was his, like the
sounds of when his eyes would have like his helmet
would shield over his eyes compared to his actual eyes,
and just like that humming noise and the way he
looks and that ominous presence that he commands and whatnot.
I'm okay, with them not having him scale up and
down in size, I'm glad they kept him in his
his big form. I had a hunch maybe he might
shrink when he gets to that platform so he could
pick up the baby or something like that, but he
didn't need to. He just just he'd stayed as giant man,
giant size, and it was great.
Speaker 3: He was just fucking terrifying.
Speaker 1: Which you think they did a good job too. Whoever
had the idea to put him right next to the
statue of yeah, statue of Liberty, he.
Speaker 3: Just scoffs at it kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: But it also gives you a scale sizing, right because
you kind of know, okay that I can feel that
that works.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that man in comparison not this big.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I definitely think gas is bigger. But just in relation
to uh, Liberty.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's getting to like his waist maybe
you know galactus waist. Yeah, I've got.
Speaker 3: A photo for scale here that.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be a cautious ways galactus.
Speaker 1: But it's it's sir for giving Galactus the backshots with
the board. Just run me again, uh and I again
I could use a bit more dialogue from Galactus because
Ralph Anderson one of the best voices in Hollywood. I
thought we got that big speech in the middle with
the you know, give me your child everything like that.
I thought there was one more big speech coming, but
there there really wasn't you know. Just he lands on Earth,
has a couple more lines, and then he's taken out
because yeah, I agree with you, like he isn't in
a sense like a different scary than Thanos. But you know,
people don't read it wrong, like he's usually never an
actual like Avengers level threat. As you saw, they dealt
with them, like the four of them dealt with them.
I don't gonna say pretty easily, but you know, most
it seems like most the villains they fought are pretty
muchy to you. Moleman is like now an acquaintance and
that was when their main villains. So like if it
was like endgame, like think about Spider Man, the all
the Avengers, the Guardians, like Glack is getting fucked up,
like he ain't that guy. He's just he's a top
heavy no no, no, no no, and com books there he
ain't ever fucking leading the crossovers because he's just a
top heavy guy. He's no brains, he's all uh, he's
no brains. He's all brown, which is great, and they
can do some damage, and he's always a threat. Don't
get me wrong. But like, you get enough heroes together,
glacts is pretty easy to you know, figure out. Well,
that's that's just it.
Speaker 4: You get enough heroes together that that makes sense that
they if they if they didn't have Silver Surfer, then
Johnny's gone, he's Sack making a sacrifice. And that's already
after the fact that Sue's storm is dead now at
this point. And yeah, but they had baby. If they
didn't have baby, that would have been a different story.
Speaker 1: I mean, but they got but the baby. But that's
a separate argument. That's Sue's life, right, I'm talking about
just being Galactus. They still would be Galactus without the
baby brings Sue back. That was after the fact, right,
And hey, if Johnny has to die, John's to die,
you know he's gonna come back. You know, Surfer's gonna
come back and Galactus, so maybe he'll come back stronger,
maybe he'll be on the board, which was like a
That was another weird thing too, when it just felt like,
is Johnny did he missed the point they fly up
there after he plays all these audio logs and he's like,
take me instead. It's like no, dude, Clearly, like the
guy said, like this baby has all these powers, like
he just turn on fire. So it felt that felt
like a weird beat, like we were missing something or
he just didn't understand the situation of let me go. Yeah,
it's like, yeah, sure goes to the galactus and become
a sacrifice for nothing, you know, like he's still gonna
come after the baby. So yeah, well let's take our
second a break and we'll be right back. And we're back.
Where do we want to go?
Speaker 4: Now we go, here's the size charts versus.
Speaker 3: So there's tower.
Speaker 1: Though you put you make Avenger tower, I guarantee you,
Tony probably has like a fucking suit where he can.
Speaker 4: Just fly into and he's the tower turns into the sat.
Speaker 1: He becomes, uh, you know, thing like that. And I
guess we could talk about that because we just you
tell you let us into it. The video gameness of
it all. But yeah, I love the blackness thing the scale,
which is so funny because we just got Superman a
couple weeks ago, and there's like two similar beats where
it's like bad guy or like the city turns against
the heroes and then like a Kaiju battle, but like,
I'm sorry, this is like just fucking bodies the Kaiju
battle and Superman like that. And don't get me wrong,
that Kaiju battle is more for fun to establish some stuff.
But even the scale, I never felt the danger that
I did in this that I did in Superman. And
uh yeah, great dramatic stuff here, great all around. I
swear was asking, non, was I swear we saw a
photo or in a teaser of Suxstorm doing the thing
and she was bleeding from the nose.
Speaker 2: That was remember that too, and that was bifect.
Speaker 1: Yeah well no, but it's a Mendel factor. Was in
the teaser right, like it's there the teaser. I'll try,
I think, because that happens in the comics. But it's
like when Sue was like use an altar, because that
was a moment when she literally turned Galaxus around. You
could see Pottle shuffle in the theater like oh fuck, like
she's like, you know, evolving right here. But yeah, I was,
I was pissed. No blood coming from the nose. But yeah, no,
nos loved I think everything about the Galactus stuff, like
in the City it was. It was great. It's come
from a guy that I think Galactus is kind of
a cheesy villainin concept, but they made it work from here,
so he.
Speaker 2: Should be so much more interesting. I feel like the
setup of of him just being around for billions of years. Yeah,
and like like like his introduction when they go to
his ship, like that is that is a great sequence.
Speaker 1: Emerges from the planet to It's like they're like the
castle all set back, Like what is that? Like that
was like it was scary. It's like, what the fuck
is happening?
Speaker 2: His like intro to the movie was just was like
ten a tan. It was so well done. The speech
was just so menacing when he just like hones in
like even before they get there, you know, his little
vision comes out hones in on the child and it's
just like, oh God, like what did we do here?
This is so bad?
Speaker 1: And that's what says you shouldn't it was a mistake,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. TC twenty four mentioned it. But like when she
just floats in and like just goes through, she just
no clips through the walls just like floats in you
shouldn't have come here, Galactus will see you now and
then and then she just zooms off. Man, there's something
so badass. And I'm actually gonna bring up a you know,
a funny DC movie in the likes of Black Atom Here.
One thing with that movie is just the effect of
the rock just floating. Like that's just such a badass
thing when you just have a character that likes you know,
Superman level, like instead of just standing and see it's
like he just floats and just the idea like Silver
Surfer just like like there's no it's like a UFO, like,
you know, there's no wind or anything. She just comes
in super just elegantly floats right in beautiful.
Speaker 1: That's a part of her body or not?
Speaker 2: For yeah four that is in relation to U to
my name, good shot up.
Speaker 1: See I'm different. I won't even fix her. I'll just
let her be. I'll let her do whatever she wants.
Universe sure as on the board, isn't.
Speaker 2: It where it's like she's coming to destroy your world
And You're like, oh man, I can fix her, I
can turn around.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying destroy, just leave me alive. Let me
take you with No. No, I'm going with Sue.
Speaker 2: I'm going I want to back shots first before you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take some silver surfer backshots for sure, some
silver on your back listen, if you, if you, if
you let me get some backshots, I'll give you that.
Fucking baby, I'll.
Speaker 2: Steal my sister.
Speaker 1: I'll find a way to get you. Franklin here, you're
just give me two minutes of us on that bored
you know so?
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, Ralph Ralph Inoson. I remember when he
got cast it and it's like, well, that's gonna be
great because his voice is just so so phenomenal. There
was a moment when he was actually in the city,
and of course we just recently did a retro. I'm like, man,
give me Sam Elliott as Galactus and just a Earth
Earth eight one two. You know, I want to see
the Sam Elliott.
Speaker 3: Give me your Sam Elliott voice.
Speaker 2: Your dude, No, I can't fucking do it.
Speaker 3: I need that baby, how boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's that's hard. But he was great. I
wish he had like just a badass like fuck you
to the world when he came to the planet of
just like how insignificant like these ants are to him,
but we didn't get that.
Speaker 4: So he even says that too. When they try to
pull a fast one, he's like clever bugs.
Speaker 3: He walks off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they fucked his eyes good though, for one of
those moments when they when he like shot the fire
and Sue like did a magnifying glass on. Oh you know, so.
Speaker 3: I love that old switch room.
Speaker 4: It was so simple, and I just when Paedro just
like walks out there and quickly puts the empty thing,
I thought, man, you could have put like a heat
signature or something in there to Yeah, but it's got
a clear cover that coats down over top, Like yeah.
Speaker 2: You just reminded me too, Like they're they're their plan
to just move the planet, and he's like, you won't
be able to find us for millions of years. It's
like fuck off, man, Like yes he can. Like Silver Surfer,
like she travels across galaxies like pretty fucking fast, and
she just goes through their FTL travel like what a
what a bold bold claim?
Speaker 4: But they would just teleport again, right when that's what you.
Speaker 1: Would hope, right, they would just keep the technology someone
knowing and then they just keep keep teleporting.
Speaker 2: So Okay, two percent window, is that what you said?
Or two percent variants on the Goldilock zone of like
landing in the zone.
Speaker 4: Within a two percent Margarine of of that basically Margarin
and Butter. I mean it's still I don't think logistically
it would work because you'd have to have the bright
Moon set up. I mean, if you instantly teleport there,
I think Tsunamis would just fucking swoop the whole planet
because your moon and sun are gone, right, so how
you get backshots everywhere? How you the Moon's not there
to control the tides in and out, so you'd just
be you'd be fucked.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I guess it's better than I think
their backup plan of obviously using Franklin that's dangerous get
the wrist there, but that probably was a better plan
than the let's teleport the planet and hopefully it all
works out and stuff. But you know, we got there.
I did like that scene too, when they're about to
teleport the planet and just start they go, and I
didn't even think of surfer. I was like, okay, what
is going on here? And then it was just like
the Shaws that just like.
Speaker 4: This galactic cultists that were walking people that I.
Speaker 1: Was sure there's a power edge, but then they just
show all these different countries just like boom boom. And
I love when they do, like the birds I view
from out her space on Earth where you're just seeing
the surfer like go around. It's just like cool, fuck man,
like these these this family can't catch a break, and
this has when tensions are high because again probably one
of I don't know if it's my favorite my favorite
scenes is we got a little bit of that. When
he was talking about the plan. I was like, oh, well,
I haven't thought it through yet, and he's just She's like,
yeah you have thought there No, no, like that's something else,
Well come with them. But was like I said, what
The stuff I enjoy with reading Sue and Sue many
times is like left read because she's just like you
don't get it. Like there's one comic I love where
she like has a great night with them. They have
sex and everything like that, and then she leaves them
note like I'm leaving you like I just want one
more good night with you, but I can't handle you.
And I love that scene in the bedroom when they
when he's like, oh well yeah, they would wants to
give the baby because it's ethically makes sense and mathematically
and she's so appalled by that. And I love the
scene when they argue and he says like, yeah, I'm sorry,
this is what's wrong with me, and it bugs you,
but this is what's gonna happen, and that kind of
transitions into the scene that he has alone with Franklin,
which he's like, I'm gonna stop using the machinery and
good speech, like all that stuff back together with the
tension with the baby and Franklin trying to connect, which
he has a hard time because he's just so focused
on plans and everything, like the way Tony Stark is
an age of Ultron and Civil War where he's always
like suit around the armor. That's like after some shit
has happened to him. Read is that way like every
day every day he wakes up and is worried that
something is gonna happen. So I thought they did a
good job of the stakes and showing that, yeah, these
two love each other, but man, sometimes they do not
compute with one another. And I thought that argument scene
was a tip top no notes.
Speaker 2: So when you say suit around the armor, I imagine around
around Yeah, uh no, I I thought, yeah, a good
shout out on the specifically that moment when they're because
even she shows that it's like when you're yourself sometimes
like I just can't handle that or whatever whatever the
line Vanessa Kirby hits back to to Pager there, it's
obviously there's a motion in her eyes. It's just such
a thing you would hope to never even have to contemplate.
I thought that was just a great like like cog
in the machines for the plot. Honestly, if just Galactus
wants the child, it's like and like in that moment,
it's like, well, obviously like everyone on Earth would be like,
hey give up the child, like like yeah, the whole
planet for one one baby, you know, Like.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think that press conference, we're just like, yeah,
we couldn't come.
Speaker 2: To fucking move. And like I guess that leans into
them just being like the Captain America, goody goody. It's like, well,
probably shouldn't tell them this, but we're gonna because that's
just who we are.
Speaker 1: And they didn't say they had nothing prepared, right, So
I think they're just like shell shock and they're just
so used to these people hear worshiping, like, oh, they're
gonna understand, and then right away they they turn on them,
just like the whole JORL Superman thing of like fox Man,
fuck fantastic for we hate these people now, you know,
even though they've saved their lives countless of times. You know,
I'm sure you would be dead.
Speaker 2: I had some grievances, like on that same vein when
and it also is just you know, I think like
the editing and the pacing is phenmal all out or
all throughout. But the moment when Sue goes out to
just like face the mobs with Franklin, at first I
thought she was like invisible because I'm like, there's no
way she's just walking out there, like right there, you know,
in the middle of these mobs. They want this child
she's just gonna be holding. You know, she's superpower, she
can defend herself in that child. But still it just
felt strange to me. And then she's giving this like
again very like Captain America, like don't worry, like we'll
figure this out together as a family, And I'm like
this is so corny, like like in a real world,
there's no way they are not just fucking doing everything
they can, like all the nations of the world to
just take this child and give it to Galactus. They
don't have, you know, transport to get to Galactus. I
don't know how I would work in that vein, but
god damn it. By the end of her speech, I
was like, I was like almost tearing up. I'm like, man,
like this is actually amazing right now, and like it Yeah,
I was just so impressed with that scene because in
the beginning, like this is so corny and cheesy and unbelievable,
but then by the end, I'm like, I guess this
just fits also with like the world that we're in
an eight four eight, Like this is the state of
the world that like Fantastic four are our global heroes
and we like we love them so much, and it
fits the you know, retro futuristic Jetson's feel of just
the world overall. Like it just I don't know, there's
just something about like the whole family feel of what
this universe has. And yeah, by the by the end
of her speech, like you see the crowd like they're
all like tearing up. It's just a great line too,
And it's like I'm not giving up my child to
save the planet. But I'm not you know, I'm not
giving up the world to save my child either, Like
like they are gonna do everything they can. Just a
really really well done scene and one of those where
I'm like they had me in the first staff, but
god damn by the end I was I was totally
in on it. So you get us to them for
that one.
Speaker 1: No, that's good because yeah, I really like that scene
too because I was like, Okay, how's this gonna play?
But I kind of like, because the whole thing, we
are a whole family, it could play cheesy, but I
like that she's kind of insinuating that, hey, if Galactus
came down and just said, hey Bill, we give us
Bill or the planet kills She's kind of saying like,
we would not give up Bill, Like we wouldn't give
up our son. We wouldn't give Bill. So it is
like we're in this together. We're either feeling this out
together or we're going down. And that was a great
speech and you know, having the family react and that
gets the idea of moving you know, Earth and time
and all that stuff. But no, I think that's just
like again, that's why it's like it's I talked about
many times, that's just fucking Vanessa Kirby as well. I
think it's written good, but you could put a lesser
actress there and it could be completely cheesy or it
could not work. But but by the end you're like, yeah,
so you storem, let's do this, and yeah, she's just
like I said, she's to be get in the top
ten currently. She's just she's so good at a variety
of things. The first time I saw her wasn't about
time where she plays a very like she plays like
the annoying best friend, where she's just like obnoxious and
comedic and some like you watch that role and watch
that now it would be not you wouldn't watch all
that soue storm right there. But no, she does such
a good job. And even her accent too, like it wasn't.
Speaker 2: I was thrown off initially it was so.
Speaker 1: Weird, but like it was. Her accent wasn't slipping into
the the British, which I thought sometimes can happen, right,
but no, it was. Uh, it was strange to hear
a whole movie with that.
Speaker 2: But no, I thought that the first time she spoke
was the first time where I was like, oh, this
is strange and yeah, like it wasn't bad, it was
just it was just different. And uh I don't yeah,
I can't remember if it was Mission Impossible or The
Crown was like my first exposure to Vanessa Kirby. She's
fantastic in her like like she's only because The Crown,
you know, different actors, different periods of their lives, but
like the parts that she's in is just phenomenal, Like
she is just such a standout and obviously very British accent. There,
same thing when she's the White Widow, but uh yeah,
opened up with an American accent. I'm like, I think
we could have done Sue British in this version of
the Yeah you could.
Speaker 1: And because like Joseph quin No, he's British too, isn't
it is Joseph Quinn, I think so right, I'm pretty
sure he is. Yeah, so he literally could. Just like there,
it's the same thing I've always said, like they never
needed ben in a cumber Batch to put on that
weird American accent, you know, like Christian and all, like
just have them sound like been a cumber Batch, Like
there's no reason Hey, I did my practice him or what?
Like I became a doctor in England and I moved
over here, like there's no reason why, like doctor Strange
couldn't have been from Britain and then he moved over
like why does he have to be American? So I agree,
Like he didn't bug me as much as you, but
I agree that you could have just said, yeah, it's
just being I'm British. They're both British. Go ahead, sure,
especially because Gerba has a great voice. But no, I
thought she may have worked there, but.
Speaker 2: He is British, so yeah, there, I would have worked
the siblings the Storms are from Great Britain.
Speaker 4: What two projects Kirklan, did you say again that you
saw Penicacribbean.
Speaker 2: The Crown and Mission Impossible?
Speaker 3: Mission Impossible?
Speaker 2: You can't remember where one? I saw first? She's She's
on the Calico Tatum one. Yeah, meant that movie in
Target days right, they.
Speaker 1: Did a movie night and I was like, no, I'm
not going to that. Did you go to the movie, Taylor?
Speaker 3: I did not go to that? Oh I yeah I did.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 4: I remember being in line. I think Jessica was there.
Who else was there? But it's just been me and
Jessica actually.
Speaker 1: A review, what was I gonna say? Yeah, because she
that and the only other thing too, you would know
from you were walking away when I was talking about it.
But she's in Hobbs and Shaws, right, she's Stathan's sister.
And then do you remember that she's in About Time.
Speaker 3: I in in retrospect.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, she's Rachel mcadam's like annoying friend who just
like hates everybody. Yeah, it's so funny to look from
her there to now, which is so funny because Margot
Robbie's also in that movie in a small role, and
that's one of the people that was also up for
Sue Storm like this go around, right, So it's kind
of funny. In that movie, she's the one that Donald
Leeson has the she's the family, the sister's friend, like
some emotion on me, and then when he's with Rachel
McAdams minus, well, that's when she finally like makes the
move on. So yeah, it's again very much. I think
it's either right before or right after all Full Wall
Street Like, it's I think it's very I think it's
right before and then she blows up. But that's why
it's just like this minor role Margot Robbie, Yeah, stack
cast for about time. We're get Domald Glease in the
MCU already, you know, let's we got you know, like
I guess you can get Margaret at some point.
Speaker 2: It's the Disney Family Star Wars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, Hucks is lonkne Let's get them,
Let's get them. I don't know somewhere I know.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he's gotten in with Disney.
Speaker 3: Should cross over to ye Madison.
Speaker 4: I just watched Me Before You, and that's another Vanessa Kirby.
She's in there, not in the main role, but she
just pops in there.
Speaker 3: What was Me before You? That's the Amelia Clark one.
Speaker 1: All right, one where he see he is the he's
in the wheel chair.
Speaker 4: Accident in the wheelchair and Nevill Long bottoms in there.
Speaker 1: Would you say I think said the accent. I'm like, no,
that's just how he speaks. There's nothing to do with like, yeah,
like he had an accent and he's an accent. Yeah. No,
would date this hall looking guy with his accent? Fuck
oh man? But uh yeah no. I I hope that
she becomes We talked about this before. We just did
a newscast about this last week. For Phase seven or
the new era, whatever happens after Secret Wars, they need
to sit down and they need to decide who's their
core four. I'd be completely fun if Vanessa Kirby is
one of those cool core four, Like I think it'd
be Spider Man, one, the X Men her, and then
have your pick on the next one. Maybe it's a
song she, maybe it's something, but like, you should have
these main characters. And again, this is something that I
was wrong about. I said this in Predictions. I got
spoiled on it because with the interview I didn't put
in the newscast. But he's like, yeah, it's great to
see the Avengers on the F four set. It's like, oh, thanks, buddy.
Now I fucking know the world doesn't get destroyed because
I thought they were gonna destroy I thought it's gonna
get destroyed and that's a way to put over some
sort of threat and that's why they're here. They didn't,
and I'm so happy. I don't know how it's gonna work, Like,
how do you think that's gonna work? When Vice is
gonna be a reset and one singular timeline? Because I
would be completely fine if the F four was always
in this universe. But for the crossovers, they do the
egg thing, right, we're like, okay, we're gonna come over.
Like in the CW they did that all the time
where these heroes were on different worlds, but they create
some sort of watch and it was like a teleportation thing, right, Like,
I I really don't wanna lose this, look at I
would be completely bummed if like Fantastic four two is
just like in our New York and it's like and
they're like, well, we'll build it the way it was like, no,
like you brought up like those cops cars going by
that were like floating and everything that, Like I want
to keep it anything. If they're like what do you
want to pick like our New York or like four,
it's like, well, if we're gonna do one timeline, like
let's get everyone over to the F four universe, you know,
like let's do that. So that's my only concern about
that whole, Like we're gonna make a singular time sign
and the end of the multiverse soga, Like does that
mean when the F four traveled to here in doomsday,
they're gonna get stuck here, and it's like, oh, I
really don't, like I feel like you're just gonna just
like wrench out all the character of the world, which
was great. So that concerns me a bit. But I'm
hoping because they didn't destroy because if that's the case,
then they should just destroy this planet. They should just
done and moved on. But the fact that it's alive,
I hope it means when we get F four two,
if that happens, we can come back here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I doubt well this will be like a mainstay,
just because it's a very expensive world to visit because
it's mostly CGI right, like especially when you get the
flying cars. But I'm with you, I I'm I'm happy
that it is still kicking. I honestly thought it was
gonna like Galactus was gonna come devour this world and
then they have to flee and that's why you know
they're uh in Avengers. Like I thought that was going
to be the setup and glaught. I was wrong. And hopefully,
you know, this allows us to potentially come back here
because there's just so much fun stuff and for them
like not like this is a tour of our universe,
you know, like they didn't really do that, but like
they still just have so much great world building. Like
I feel like I did learn so much about this
this world, this Earth eight four eight, and yeah, it
was it was awesome, Taylor.
Speaker 1: What any thing's happening with this world's gonna stand after
Secret Wars? Is it gone? Is this gonna be the
world that's gonna be the singular timeline? Like? What do
you think is gonna happen with this?
Speaker 4: You know, part of me started to get convinced that
this world was going to get destroyed. I was under
the impression that, okay, like they're going to come to
six one six when they're gonna bring their kid, They're
gonna flee, and Glackness is gonna follow them and ignore
Earth because they have something that he wants more than
that obviously with Franklin.
Speaker 3: But uh no, not the case.
Speaker 4: They know they saved the world. And yeah, like the
way that they set up the ending, I almost I
feel like, how do you you just jump to Avengers
and then give us a little bit of like a
flashback sequence or explain what happened?
Speaker 3: I guess so, I mean, I'm we were talking about
this when we left the theater.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out where in the narrative the
end credits for Thunderbolts kind of splices over into following here,
And you proposed a pretty interesting theory. But again, if
that's the case what you proposed, then the Earth is
fine in the Fantastic Force for now multiverse, like because
Secret Wars is all about multiverses collapsing, so it's like,
it's fine for now, But if.
Speaker 1: Doom's there to fuck it up, like, or what if
they do that? What if they go, hey, we didn't
want Galactus to be able to destroy it. And the
way that Thans just destroyed Zander off screen and got
the power Stone, what if they do that where doctor
doomed Troy is the it again they ate the fuck
you forgetting this four eight the eight four eight, Like
what if what if they let Doom do that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And there is precedent right, like if you look at
Captain but that does make them strong, right, it's gonna
put them over and be like, oh, look at Doom,
he did that, and I would suit their track record
of look at Captain America. If you're not a fan
of the Captain America comic book, you watch a movie
that is a World War two movie, and then when
they make the sequel, Captain America is in present day.
I've always said this, I would love to watch someone
that's never really knew much about Captain America and when
he was like frozen and then woke up and present
day be like what the fuck is this movie? Like
why is he waking up here? So it's like we've
seen that, Preston. Don't get me wrong, I don't like
the Captain America first Avenger World as much as this
four World, but we've seen them do that in movies
where this could be that, and then the sequels them
fish out of water in our universe where we don't
have a cool New York, we don't have these cool
space cops and all those things. And maybe that's how
they I guess they could make the f W popular
in our world. Is there so smart that they can
start giving us this technology? But I think there's a
chance they let Doom destroy their world just to say, like, oh,
Doom's that badass. He killed everyone in our universe, you know,
instead of Galactus, who the Galactus was never gonna be
in Secret Wars, right, So.
Speaker 2: True?
Speaker 1: I guess we can get when we are we talking
about that in krit now and were wenlcome back to well, uh, I.
Speaker 2: Liked I really liked Herbie in this didn't get like
a definite end right, like do we see what happened
when Galactus grabs Franklin? Like Herbie's there, but he wasn't
like crushed in his palm or anything. I'm hoping he lived.
Speaker 1: Was he there during the talk show?
Speaker 2: I no thinks so, so RP Herbie potentially hopefully not.
You had a lot of heart in the same way
that like R two or BBA would have in the
Star Wars universe, Like it was that same energy were
around Herbie worked for me. Also, there's great reactions. I
did like the moment. Is it a two eight?
Speaker 1: See? I said that at the beginning and Kirkland said,
you fucking idiot, it's eight four eight or whatever. But
I think it's a two eight. I think it's there.
William just got back. Loved the movie. I'm glad because
you were looking very forward to that movie or this movie.
So that's good. So oh they're going TC twin four
says he was in the postcard scenes. That's good. And yeah,
it's very fun, like remind her that the yeah her
turn her down your TV. Robert Downey's in our chat.
Holy shit, yeah he does turn the TV off. But yeah,
it gave me a lot of like BB eight vibes
and Force Awakens. I thought Force Wakens was the perfect
use of BB eight And that's what this reminds me of,
where it's a lovable Roadbot never got too annoying, and
that's what I like. Like there was like too much
annoying humor in the way of the sense of like
I like that Johnny and Ben had a fun back
and forth, but it never I felt like they hated
each other, which sometimes the old that for movie's gone
on that right, it gone to that, like Johnny was
just fucking mean to Ben. Like Ben's like going through
a trump especially in those movies when you know his
wife's leaving was ring in the middle of the street
and you'll just be like, hey, it sucks to be you,
don't you fucking suck? Ben? Where this Like he never
made a joke about how I looked. He's like, hey,
look good at the beard. The jokes were always but
other stuff. So yeah, I like that with Herbie, with
Ben with Johnny. There wasn't anything like mean spirited humor wise,
I'm not saying like it would have hurt my feelings.
I just mean that I enjoyed. I think when they're
trying to stress that they are a family, you have
to have that dynamic that Johnny and Ben actually like
each other, or they easily could have done the whole
Herbie's a shitty robot, which they did, which I'm fine.
They did that Iron Man right, the first Iron Man.
He has those robots like, hey, don't fucking spraden me
Like that worked for there because Tony Stark is a
bit more you know, grabby and bit more of an
asshole were here. I like that Herbie was a part
of the team. I could look at Herbie and be like,
I understand why they trust Herbie with Franklin, where like
man like, is he gonna trust these robots with like
his daughter at that point? Probably not because they're a
little iffy. But yeah, Herbie was a character that could
easily be a negative in this movie, and they could
have given too much to but it was a positive
and made it work well.
Speaker 6: So so it is a to eight so good shot
out TC twenty four the reason being is because it's
a nod to the late Coke character Jack Kirby's birthday,
which was August twenty eight, which.
Speaker 1: Just movies dripping in. They oh, is it eight to eight,
the same as Logan's birthday? They're cool, but yeah, this
movie's dripping in. At the end credit has like a
tribute to him with the quote and everything like that.
So yeah, I think if you like those comps like
Jack Kirby, with the style of how it is, like
the story and just the style of the sixties, it's uh.
I guess I should have said that in the Non
Sports but they they they nailed that aspect of it.
But yeah, that's fun and it's cool. Yeah, And I'm
I'm not like everyone else that I I don't know,
love to recover on Secret Wars. I'm not a poe.
I don't need all universesy get closed. I get why
FI he's doing it because they want to streamline it,
but uh yeah, no, I just feel like you could
lose some stuff and I don't want to lose all
these things. But you know, maybe we'll get to see herbian.
We should see him in uh yeah, Doomsday. Imagine he'll
like interact with fucking Red Guardian or something you know,
or Bob.
Speaker 2: Herbie, so you don't yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: You anything's on Herbie if not take us somewhere.
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought it was really cute how to
change his personality and what he can kind of work with.
They just pop his visor off and like switch tape decks.
Like yeah, that was really really really fun retro kind
of vibe there.
Speaker 3: So I think he was cool.
Speaker 4: I liked his his communication everything and and whatnot.
Speaker 3: He's just a fun, little little side character.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I'll bring up here because just I don't
forget it. People had said this before, and this joke
has always been made that The Incredibles is the best
fantastic for a movie. No I canna lie. After this movie,
I was like, man, I do want to watch Incredibles.
That had a lot of those vibes, especially the opening. Yeah,
the mole Man under mind. Yeah, it's literally that is
the Syndrome's doctor Doom in a sense right, Like he's
a tech based gadget villain. Obviously, Doom in the comsol
sence does have magic, so that's a bit different. But
there's times where Doom is that which I fucking absolutely love.
Begin the movie, they're having their un meetings showing all
the countries Latveria empty chair, so it's like either that's
nothing and just in this universe they're just like off
their own because that's gonna be the thing, right of
like where is because even though he's a totally Stark variant,
maybe or whatever, the situation looks like downy is he
gonna like I'm assuming he's gonna be from eight to eight.
In my opinion, with them deliberately leaving the chair out,
I don't think they're gonna go with the he has
a pass with Victor and they have a relationship. I
think they might skip that or maybe they know of
each other, but I think with them leaving that chair
out purposely, you know, it's tough because the director did
say that, the Russo's director that scene saying like I
don't know what they're doing, like they put that in there,
not me. So maybe it was just Shackman and being like, oh,
I'll cover doing the sequel, and then it was like, well,
you know, John, the Major's has a situation and we're
gonna put it in Doctor Doom now, and that's like, okay, cool,
I guess I don't get to do them for the sequel,
but I love that little touch. But I love the
entire montage opening of showing them fight all the different villains. Yeah,
the molment and uh yeah, it was great stuff. But
taya do you kick at a moment? Because that's that's
your name there. They had to go to it because
they were gonna evacuate a ready. They were worried about, Hey,
what's gonna happen when Glacks gets here. He's gonna kill
thousands of people. Well, we know somebody that has a
spot underground that could help us out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just the quick fire introduction of all the different
villains and whatnot. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: That was fun.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to the moment trying to steal this new
hotel building thing.
Speaker 3: That was just wild.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's just this whole colony of people that
live underground. Definitely felt like incredible to that degree, but it.
Speaker 3: Was, Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 4: He made me laugh when he popped in there and
they were gonna ask him if they could put people
down below, and he just is.
Speaker 3: Being a jerk about it.
Speaker 4: But then when it's just him and Sue, he's just up.
Speaker 3: He's like one on one okay, like what do you want?
What do you need? What can I what can I do?
Speaker 2: I was worried they were gonna like hint that they
had had like a fling or something like an old
flame when I'm like, please don't do this, or he was.
Speaker 1: Gonna be trying to like like, oh you know you
picked read before me. But we had something like that
kind of humor where it's like he thinks there's something
going on, but there's not. I was glad it was
just like a mutual respect thing, and I think that's
not this is a negative. That's the only time in
the movie felt the most like a six one six
m Sue was that back and forth with him and
Reid and him and Johnny of like, oh I don't
dress to Johnny Like that's the most where it's like
it's equip almost every ten seconds from some character. And
that's fine. I would like to see more moment again.
Don't know what's gonna happen with this universe stuff, but uh,
Paul Walter Houser was a great act and I thought
that was fun. Could he again same thing? Could have
used even a little bit more of that like just
a mission or something like that. Like, uh, but you know,
it's fine, didn't have the moment. Yeah, like I could
have used the fact that it just like resolved it,
like they beat him and it was like a newspaper.
You know. It's like I would have liked a two
minute scene of them actually being the Moleman or whatever.
You know. Like again, I would love it if there
was like a two twenty two to thirty movie of this.
I just want more of it.
Speaker 2: So for not getting another Silver Surface Glactos scene, I'm
not replacing that with a Moleman scene.
Speaker 1: No, of course I'm not so. In my addition, they
have multiple scenes of everybody, but you.
Speaker 2: Know, that's twenty minutes more of the mole people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Yeah, which same thing I brought I
brought this up a little bit. I don't have much
more to say, but uh yeah, the whole Ben storyline.
They they went over a little bit of the classic
you know, having issues with his looks, but around the family,
he never brings that up. He doesn't seem too depressed.
Around the family, just seems like he's depressed. Yeah, seems confident,
but it just seems like he's depressed alone. They introduced
Natation leone here for like two scenes, which was so odd.
They have them talking.
Speaker 2: I thought they call it Rachel Rachel.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to the actress's name, Nataka. Yeah, they all
she's flinding herself. It's crazy. But there's this moment where
I get what they're going for. But he's talking. The
kids are watched. She's like to bring the cookies and
all the kids they're like, oh, it worked better when
she walked away, like I'll see around, they're like oh.
But like it felt like they had a line there
that was like maybe more sexual, and they're like, eh,
we can't have to thing say that. Yeah, yeah, I'll
back the show later. You heard a rock hard cock,
Well you haven't yet, but like it was weird. It
was just forested, like even everything too of like he
shows up the church like, oh, you here for counseling. No,
I just want to have you like like either going
full Monty. Yeah, either going more and make that big
or just take it out. It didn't really get us anywhere.
Speaker 2: I felt like they cut some stuff out of that one, absolutely,
like there was some stuff missing that they already Yeah,
I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we know they cut, like they cut John
Melkridge from this movie, so we know they cut things
from this movie. This movie's an hour fifty five. There's
no way they didn't. So and again maybe maybe there's
more scenes than these two and they just fucking sucked
and they're like, you know, this doesn't work at all.
But then it's just like I would like to, you know,
win the scriptwriting process of Okay, why like what does
that character do for us here? Like it's phenominally yeah,
because it's not like the first F four where like
in five, where everyone loves the F four but everyone
knows the thing, he's a fucking monster and he's gross.
You know, like there's eventually they like him. There's choices,
but I mean at first everyone scared him, right, but
this is a world where the kids love him. He's
shopping and be like, hey, Ben and I do the
thing like he's I'm not saying he doesn't have his issues,
don't get me wrong, but people like him so like
usually like when they had Carrie Washington play like the
blind character, that was like, oh, someone likes you for
who you are even though you're this rock monster. Right,
But it's just like what purpose does she serve here?
And I don't I don't have an answer. Maybe someone does.
I just don't have an answer of like what did
that do for Ben in this movie?
Speaker 2: Fuck all is what it did. It's it's weird too
because it's like a character that he can get close
with when other people see him as a monster, but
where he is in this story, he's not seen as
a monster. Yeah, Like there's like some real minor moments
when he like looks at his reflection. It's kind of sad,
Like I feel like there was like more of that
in the trailer. There's like a shot of him like
looking at the TV and then he sees himself and
it's like, oh, I'm hideous.
Speaker 1: That was in this movie.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but like it seemed like there's
more emphasis on it in the in the trailer, so
it's like, oh, yeah, they're really gonna be doubling down
on Ben and his uh just just image issues, which
I mean it's a very human thing, right, like people
body dysmorphia like all that stuff psychologically as.
Speaker 1: A regular person, not even a rock monster.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, exactly right, So like that there's some good
juice there but for this story, especially just for what
they were telling, it just it didn't really need to
go there at all. And then as you already mentioned,
like introducing this this lady, it I don't know, like
the scene with the kids was like kind of comedic
when when they're when you up the car, but her.
Speaker 1: The promise if you don't but if you don't go
there all that's the problem with this movie. It's like
I feel like like Ben do is like Ben's just
kind of around. Like I'm not saying he's not fun
and I don't enjoy the thing in this movie, but
he's just Johnny has like a little mini redemption where
he kind of shows like he can be a scientist
and help the team sue the leader. Reid kind of
finds a way to like lean on his people. Benj like, yeah,
great pile, I fucking like to cook. Yeah, I like
to fly. Like he's just he's just around because like, oh,
we wanted to fight the Hulkin Secret Wars, you know,
like that that's what it feels is. I hope when
we get to four two that we could if we
get there, he can get like a bigger moment. Even
that scene where he's talking with Reed same thing. He
just sounds like he's completely forgiven him right because they
made they insinuate. Nime Rene said that what happened to
him was his fault. He miscalculated. But Dan, let somebody's Oh,
it's fine, you couldn't have known, so let him have
the hook right away. That's which we've seen other movies
right where he doesn't. That's kind of a thing where
read's obsessed like I'm gonna fix you, like I'm really sorry,
but this movie like, ah, shit happens, you know, but
you're having a kid, So I think the same thing.
He's having a kid, so another time of place. But
I just I would like a little bit more on Bangram,
who looked fantastic in this. I think the early trailers
there are some rough shots, but I think no issues
I had with him here other than a few times
he was on the street. The street was not It
was just not working some of the textures and stuff
with him on it.
Speaker 2: So what a sharp dressed man too. They be just
swagged out like sweater vest. He was wearing some different hats.
He well, yeah, he looked good for a rock monster.
Speaker 1: Let's take a mayoral less sad break and then we'll
be right back. All right, we are back.
Speaker 2: Something I wanted to slither in here before we closed out.
You know, as you already mentioned, we did our own
little fancastie who we'd want to potentially be our Fantastic four.
You know, you shout it up. Vanessa Kirby. I think
Adam Driver was in the mix for Pedro. That might
have been your pick after watching No.
Speaker 1: That was not my pick. My old school pick was
like Bill Hayter. And then, as I said, once someone
told me Penn Bradley though. That's why I'm like, that's
still to me. But now Pedro. I knew Pedro could
do it. I just was on paper. We've seen him.
That stuff for Pedro, you know, at home run to me.
Speaker 2: Maybe we were just talking about some point then, or
maybe somebody actually did have him. But I feel like
in my in my old mind, we we we were
talking about Adam Driver, is the role of Reid Margot
Robbie in the role of Super Well, those were rumored
they that's what it would have been.
Speaker 1: Yes, we talked about the newscasts. The rumor is that
they wanted they were going to them. But the rumors
of both Driver and Robbie asked for too much, so.
Speaker 2: After watching the film, I prefer Pedro. Obviously, I haven't
seen the Adam Driver version, but it's just it's a
harder it's a harder like role for me to see
that actor portray. Yeah, it's kind of a redundant statement
because I can't compare the two.
Speaker 1: But like it probably would have been a bit different too,
like to go.
Speaker 2: To but like just and I didn't really shout it
out much, but I I just love the science read
in this, like him with his chalkboard and just like
giving it all to like the knowledge, Like like Pedro
just killed the role, like it was so well done
performance wise. I'm sure I'm Driver, could you know, phenomenal actor.
I'm sure he could do a really great job. But
watching this, I'm like, man Pedro was read Richard's like
this is just like he like more so, I don't
remember the the other actor's name from from the previous film,
and no Miles Teller, so uh kill Melin Tree. I
thought there I should have pulled up my mouse, but yeah, no,
I'm I'm glad I got this version for the cheaper one.
Madam Drivers asked for money. So I've worked out for everyone.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who had this? I think this
was my Is this my list? Someone had John So
I don't know who did this because I can't watch
the audio right now, but someone had John because we
did teams. It was me, and then it was Kirkland
and Taylor and then Dylan Amber. One roster was John
Hamm as Reid Richards Charlie's then as Sue Storm. Uh,
this probably was me, Dakrey Montgomery as Human Torch, and
then Alan Tudic as the Things. That was my roster
right there. I'll try and pull up your guys's of
who would have been next there, but that was one
of them. I don't know what I sing with John Hamm,
but you know I like him so and then okay,
so another roster. I think this is your guys list,
you guys, Yeah, this is your list for sure. Yeah,
Zachary Quinto as Reid Richards, Olivia Wild the Sue Storm,
Zach Efron as Human Torch, and then John Cena the Thing.
So that was that was that was Taylor's and kirklans
combine list. And then let's see if I get Don
and Ambers here. It's taken forever to.
Speaker 2: Get funny with teams for this, and then you were
just on your own.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Kyle was supposed to join me, but
he probably flaked out. But yeah, I can't find Oh,
there I found it. Now, Okay, here we go, here
we go, let's see. So oh yeah, this is definitely
Amber and Dillon's because I thought this was a terrible
pick story, don't. We were listening, but Jim Carrey is
read Richard's off. I remember Dale try to pitch it.
I think, no, no, no, and then y this is
twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Holy fuck.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, we should look at some of these though.
And then there's suit Storm was Yvonne Sharounski and then
their human torch was Dave Franco, and then their thing
was uh, Seth Rogan. So I'll go back and look
at some of those. So that's fun. Yeah, anything else typically,
I know we'll probably talk about this again when newscasts
and Golden Geeks, and I'm sure when Dylan talks about
and we'll probably talk about again to on g A
this weekend when we do our crossover. So I should
promote that GUE episode we're doing a crossover done that
well with a crossover the Saturday six pm psd our
ten year celebration their five year so we'll probably talk
about it again a bit there, but anything specifically we
have talked about other than the end credit, we'll talk
about that quickly. And I have a funny thing to
show you guys.
Speaker 2: But no, uh, there's probably something I'm forgetting.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like Matt Reeve's there.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, interteresting, No, no, I can't think of anything
at its core.
Speaker 3: I just I think it's, uh, we're not doing No, yeah,
I'm gonna wait for for that. Actually I'll wait and we.
Speaker 1: Just fell asleep, but it's okay. We're still in the
end of the review. So anyways, we got two end credits.
The second end credit was just a the cartoon, which
man our theater is not like, oh, our theater is
not happy with that.
Speaker 2: In front of me, He's like, that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I've always said this before. If you're gonna
do a comedy one, you'll lead with that one. I
never think you should do. But I get why they
didn't because they want people to see what we did
get I will bring up so this is how I
thought I was spoiled, but I will because I don't
think this stream is gonna get taken down. It should
be okay because we're in spoilers, so and it's all
over Twitter. But we get a scene where it's they say,
four years later. Four years later, Vanessa Kirby's reading Franklin
a story here, a fun little joke of like, oh
what should we read when they bring out some like
huge textbook and stuff like that, you know.
Speaker 4: The Origins of our Species by Charles Darwin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh no, this is something more fun. Let's
do that. Walk over super very calm to me, reacts
very calmly to just a man and a cloak, you know,
hanging out with her some But that's what happens. We
got the image right here just so you can see
a little bit so at least what we don't know
what's gonna happen with this, but the mask looking very
classic doctor Doom. He's got the cape, he's got the
hood and everything. So I like that, but yeah, that's happening.
She turns the corner and or assuming down he's Victor Bond.
Doom didn't get to see him, so I'm wondering what
they're gonna do, if it's gonna be in some com books.
He's very scarred. I don't know if he's gonna have
different hair what not. But yeah, what did you guys
think about this scene? And then I do with something
very funny to show you after, But what do you
guys think about this as the end credit that clearly
I think what they're setting up is whatever Galactis sensed
about Franklin Richards one way or another, whether it's this
universe or another universe. Doom can sense that, and he's
gonna use whatever power Franklin uses. And I think that's
like a perfect mcguffin for at least Doom's day and
at least for that four of He's getting his hands
on this powerful kid. So it's like same way the
Gaunt and the Findy Stones were Athanass you know mcguffin,
super almost god tear character is Doom's you know mcguffin.
So I think that's a good setup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I thought it was. I thought it was
a good thing for Taylor to lead us off with,
so pass uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I honestly thought that he was gonna turn
or we get to see his face. Uh, but you
know it's okay. We It just builds that excitement and
that anticipation, especially because you get that title the Fantastic
Four will return and Avengers Doomsday specifically, So just like
building that height. But I a part of me thought
it's just gonna be Galactus and it was gonna be
like a small form of him, like child size with Franklin.
Uh but yeah, yeah, yeah, It's just it got me
really really excited at seeing seeing that, And I think
you're probably right. Whatever power that Galactas sensed, Doom senses
it too. And Doom's always looking for the next big
high right, his next big big thing upgrading.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah, Franklin, you want this ship.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's it's interesting that they they have doctor
g him here and whether or not it's a mistake
that he goes to like six one six like our
main multiversal time, don't's a mistake.
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, I'm sorry, Snyer fans.
I don't want to no ship where dark Side finds
Anti Equation gets stabbed and forgot where it was and
they go to Earth like this is where it was, Like,
I don't want him to accidentally end up on six
one six. I still I know it's a mix. I
think some mean Kirk and tumbl Newscass. I still love
the theory or it's a rumor going around that he
goes to six one six and pretends to be like
Tony Stark because he.
Speaker 3: Looks like and I think love that.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, hey, guys, I'm a different Verian iron Man.
And there's this team called that Fantastic Four in this universe.
They're gonna fuck us up. There's this team that X Men.
They're gonna fuck us up. Like, I think that's such
a fun And that's probably why they didn't show us
to face right, because for the normies, if they're not
watching when they see I bet I wonder that'd be
a good predictions is when we get that first teaser
for Doomsday. If anytime you see doctor Doom, he's in
the mask, but when you see Tony, he's like, he
looks like he's Tony again, so that the norm he's saying, oh,
Tony's back, and then you get that switch. Even though
everyone knows there's tons of people that aren't paying attention
to this, right, they'll have no idea that they'll just
know that Downy is back, So that might be be
maybe maybe why they didn't show the face.
Speaker 3: KIRKL does your dad know that that's that's Downy.
Speaker 2: I definitely told him once upon a time that Downey
was coming back, and he probably, you know, keeps a
finger on the pulse right now. You probably saw our
newscast talking about that way back when that was announced.
But I guarantee like he would have forgotten about it,
just because he's not like I don't know times well too,
when Donny were when's Donnie.
Speaker 1: Donnie Downey, Donnie Downey Junior?
Speaker 2: When's Downey coming in? But yeah, I I don't know.
I'm I'm in between on the end credit. It's honestly,
are you fucking kidding me? K I wanted to see
the face. I wanted to see the face. Honestly, there's
a reason it's I can't spoil that yet.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: Like nothing new in here. It's like, oh, he's in
the green cloak, always got a mask, Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, the new thing is he wants a kid.
Speaker 2: Though he's coming. He was missing in every fucking un meeting.
I assumed he was gonna be somehow tied to the
Fantastic Four.
Speaker 1: But the kid though, Like this sets up that the
kid is important for Doomsday.
Speaker 2: Now, Like I think that was pretty obvious when you
have Galactus, this like ancient being that's like I need
this one child to replace me. Child lives on Okay, well,
child's not gonna just be free and like in the
clear for the rest of his life. Like guarantee you
galactic threats are gonna be after him for the rest
of his days. Yeah, I don't know. I wanted. I
think also coming into this movie, I'm like, what cameos
are we going to get? And then nothing, nothing really
at all, because we don't even get down his face,
and it was like it's impossible, especially with how much
we talk about these things. But in my mind, I'm like,
what I would do to just be living in the
universe where like the Downy announcement wasn't made and like
we actually have no idea who's playing doom like man
to just be one of those individuals that's actually like
clueless on that when you eventually get the and like
it could be your situation that it's like Downy's back,
Holy fuck. And then it is later revealed that it's
like a variant and it's actually doom.
Speaker 1: Like the only thing I think we talked about that
in Comic Con. The only thing is I wonder that
if we, as the comic fans, were watching this and
in the middle of the movie, just like, oh, like
Downy's doom us processing that right in the middle of
the movie. I bet they thought that could sour son
of the pieal. So let's give them time to sit
with it. I like the scenario where imagine we get
this end credit and we don't know who the actor is.
Fuck that like that, like at all, Like it's not
the Downy twist. It's just Killian or it's somebody it's
Mad's Michelson, or it's somebody under there, you know, Like
that'd be so cool, like, oh who is, especially if
they would announce like a bunch of actors, but like,
we're not gonna tell you they're playing. I know they're
turning to people just like, oh, there's some actors, but
we're not gonna tell you. But you know, here we are.
But again, at least for me, what I like is
I think they're doing the right thing of going back
to let's just set up the next project, and that's
what they should because we've gotten too many of lingering
things going on. This is a perfect They set up
Doctor Doom, they set up the Kid, and that's the
second next thing. Right, we got Spider Man, but I
think that's smarter than some of the stuff they've done before.
And yeah, this is a scene they probably shod and
fucking like not even half an hour, like fifteen minutes
on Doom's dangers, like, hey, throw it in there. But
I did want to bring up so I got spoiled
on this scene. But I didn't know I got spoiled
on the scene because I was Twitter does this awful
thing where you watch videos and the second video has done,
it just shoots down, goes to another video. So they
showed me this. But luckily when I caught it, it
was AI. But now when I watched it, I realized
that it is the scene it's gone add on to,
but is the exact scene from the end credit. So
someone must have heard it and asked AI to recreate it.
But watch you get out. This is good stuff. So
here it is, everybody, and then we're gonna do Don't
be afraid. I'm a friend of your fockers.
Speaker 7: Just wait for it. Wait wait, I am.
Speaker 1: I am Victor. There's so much weirdness to this trailer.
I am Victor.
Speaker 4: What is that sus storm in the back of her back?
Speaker 1: Just chilling, Yeah, just watching, but like I love this
guy's so scary and it sounds like damn if that's
where the AI still kicks in there, just I am Victored.
So that's when I said, like, oh, that's not the
end credit. So then when the end credit popped into
the movie, I was like, oh, fuck, that AI video
was the version of that. But uh, yeah, you're right,
very funny. But I am Victor. I'm a friend of
your fathers. I am Victor. Uh bats are rating?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I'm excited to rewatch this one to really
solidify my my thoughts because you know, coming into this discussion,
it's like, yeah, I don't know, they kept it pretty safe,
but overall there was a really fun adventure. But more
I unpacked with you guys. I realized there's actually a
lot more character stuff that I really enjoyed. I felt
like Sue, I don't know, in the moment, she didn't
seem as like much of like, no, that's I was
gonna say as much as the main character something about it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I I ended up and I think it's mostly that
scene that I that I was mentioning, how like she
goes out and just talks about family, and in my mind,
I'm like, this is just ridiculous, this wouldn't work out.
But by the end of it, they totally sold me
on it. No, great time, highly recommend it. I think
I'm gonna give it. I'll just round up. I'm gonna
go nine. I didn't think I was gonna be out
of nine for this one, but yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Same score a Superman for you. I thought it was
gonna be lower than Superman. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like same, like the more I I steal
on Superman, I think there's some things that maybe bring
it down ever so slightly. But I've only seen the
two projects once, so you know, maybe on a second rewatch,
I'll I'll see which one's higher or lower. But uh, really, yeah,
it's funny, you know, comparing the two because they're they're
pretty close to one another, and that was kind of
the big comparison for Marvel versus the DC. But yeah,
great time. So it's been a nice couple of weeks
here of superhero content. Yeah the year, so sorry about that,
but uh yeah, maybe I'll leave it there.
Speaker 1: I guess we do got that eawall Conda show. Well
we fuck, We've got one man in December. But I
think we've all said what.
Speaker 2: Happened with the Conda? Didn't you? Just since the day job?
Speaker 1: So it's it's next week, so we're gonna try and
do some I think you're gone so or I can't remember.
We're gonna try to do er, but I'll say wonder
man is. We're gonna try o review, but it's tough.
It's dropping during Christmas, you know, or around then. Lots
of stuff going on. Well talk about Avatar another day, Taylor,
what's your score here?
Speaker 4: Everything about this movie is awesome. It's an adventure. Like
I said at the start of this review. It captures
a lot of that early MCU stuff that I've been
missing for a long time.
Speaker 3: So it's it's hitting on all cylinders.
Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna give it a full tent because
someone should have caught that baby and done something about it.
That was fucking brutal. Some of that shit just that
I've I've always thought Twilight was it, and it would
that stuff would always stay in Twilight, but the fact
that we could see it here just yeah, it wasn't.
It wasn't working for me. It was it was not
working for me.
Speaker 3: My god. Like I've seen.
Speaker 4: People selling on Facebook marketplace these fake dolls that look
way like fake baby dolls that look way more real.
It's like for practicing like yeah, I don't know, like
like baby kind of like taking care of your babies
and whatnot. And those dolls have like realistic looking like
features and everything. Get one of those then just cgi
like certain parts of the face if you want, but
don't just the whole head and everything. It's just it
didn't didn't work for me. The scenes where it was
a real baby though, yeah top tier. Then everything was
hunky dory. But yeah, that's my biggest con. So I'm
gonna go, I'm gonna go nine point five out of ten.
Like it's it's just the big thing is just the baby.
But other than that, everything else was so so much fun.
And it's just it's funny, uh seeing this movie and
then seeing again taking my wife who was having a kid,
and then seeing all this like dynamic of them having
a kid in the movie and everything like that, and
then especially even the.
Speaker 1: Part where publicly said that yet but that's okay, No,
I haven't.
Speaker 4: I wasn't hoping that you would highlight it. I was
just sneaking it in there.
Speaker 1: But parents said, let's go sneak in that. My wife
is praying to our second child. What are they to
sneak in rebirth that my dad like trying to sneak
into the back door, like buy a couple of inches,
you know, like a damn people think.
Speaker 4: But the the other thing too, that was making me
laugh was the it is at the end with the
car seat when they were trying to install I just upgraded.
It's the teen's car seat, And I fucking feel the
stress of that, that whole situation, that the dynamic and
I'm trying to get the seat belt and shit, because
the little little baby infant car seats are one thing.
But when you they get to be bigger and you're
doing the upgrade one and the seat belts wrapping around
ship like it's fucking it's it's chaotic.
Speaker 3: It's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1: So I didn't mind that scene. I just didn't like
the placement. I was happy to end the movie where
we were and then that beat went on a bit
too long for me there, or that could have been
the end credit instead of the animated show thing, you know,
if they want to comedic one, but I'd aggress, but yeah,
I'll go slightly above mister Field nine point seventy five
because yeah, I will agree that baby. And then for me,
literally it's my con is just again it sounds weird
that there's not enough. But the negative from that is,
like I said, there's some stuff that I wouldn't say
feels shallow but definitely feels like we could use a
lot more lived in When you got the rest of
the movie that feels so lived in, there's some relationships,
some moments that if we could get to breathe a
little bit more with said characters, it would be great.
And that's not a bad problem to have, right, But
I do think at times it affects the movie where
I feel like I still don't know the most of
the dynamic between Read and Ben, you know, like I'm
not saying any of the dynamic of every single one them,
but like as the combos, but I would I would
prefer when you lay it up like Hey, they got
one scene together, we established their friend. I thought that's
gonna be hopefully the one of many. So yeah, like
you said, some stuff a ban and even with his story, right,
why is the why is that lady in there? We
really didn't know. We can figure that out, and I
don't think anyone will suggest one. So I think that's
it where just some of the pacing was fine, but
I would have been fine to slow down and learn
a little bit more about some of the characters and relationships.
I think that would only strengthen the ending of this
movie when they're together, where at times it feels like
definitely not like thrown together like some of the stuff
we talked about in Superman with like the Daily Planet team,
and they're like celebrating at the end, like I don't
fucking know you at all. It's not that level. But
there is where it's like, okay, it's not Guardian's level
as well, where it's like, oh, by the end of
that movie, I got a good feeling of each and
every one of you together or even Avengers, right, So
I think it's missing a little bit of that a
little more time. I hope that happens with the f
four sequel if they get there. But yeah, I'm very
surprised by my score at nine point seventy five. I
think that's behind Twenty Days Later and Cinat's my third
favorite movie the year, and well, I guess Scott Wilson
Gramin as well. But still I did not think it
was gonna be this high. So Blue pass expectations. I
cannot wait see this one again. Superman. I was like, hey,
I'm good to watch again at some point. This is
one that I said, I'm not sure about Logan, but
with Gwen she wanted to see this. I would actually
be completely down to go see this in the theater again.
That's how much I enjoyed it. And yeah, I think
just a stellar time overall. And hey, it's it's getting better,
you know, like Thunderbolts in this back to back. I
had Thunderbolts in my top fifteen. This is my top
fifteen as well. That I'm pretty happy with that. I
don't need movies to be a top ten, top five,
those should be more rare, but the fact that we're
getting that, hopefully Spider Man and next Avengers can be
that same quality, and I'm happy Camper and hopefully we're
head towards I like this where we end. Uh. You know,
of course bad movies and bad shows. We get some
fun banger reviews because we're just like trying to break
down what the fuck is guy and Secret Invasion, But
generally when I walk, I even Superman, which I didn't
love as much as these guys, but I still enjoyed
like walking out of a movie and enjoying my time,
and this one very much the love walking out of
an MC movie and loving it so and again another
movie like Brave New World, and I can't remember with
Oh Thunderbolts we did we didn't get the Marvel logo
that dun We didn't get that, So it's two movies
this year we did not get that, And I guess
that kind of fits for this being a different universe.
But yes, Luzia, and we'll be back next week. Like
I said, we'll probably tell us in the crossover. Next week,
we'll get some box office and yeah, I'm sure we'll
be talm abou us at least with the MCU, Golden
Geks maybe the other stuff and pross when you here
for us next and'll I'll be born.
Speaker 2: Bye go