WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.519 And with that for the Sewn Salisbury Show continues. I 2 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:08.320 get to talk to him twice in two days. What 3 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:09.320 a treat this is. 4 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:12.599 And Clint Hurdle, former Pittsburgh Pirate, taking the playoffs hadn't 5 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:15.279 been in two decades as the manager, longtime player in 6 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:18.600 Major League Baseball and obviously took the Colorado Rockies twenty 7 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:20.719 one to twenty two back in two thousand and seven 8 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:22.679 to get them to the World Series, joins us now 9 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:25.280 and we're grateful to have him on and we'll discuss 10 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:25.760 his new book. 11 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:27.039 Clint, great to have you on. Brother. 12 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:30.640 Let me start real quick. This Astros team, Let's hit 13 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:32.640 this one first. They've had a hell of a run 14 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:35.119 the last seven or eight years of you know, dominating 15 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:39.439 divisions and putting themselves in position. People are already starting 16 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:41.679 to panic because they're averaging a run, running a half 17 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:43.359 a game, and they're not driving and runs and leaving 18 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:46.200 people in scoring position. What do you say to somebody 19 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.439 five games in do we use the it's early or 20 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:51.359 is it the optics from last year to this year 21 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:55.880 seemed too obvious and too much the same. How quickly 22 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:58.079 do you know that, oh we got to change something 23 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:00.600 when you're a manager of a team that's struggling offensively. 24 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:05.319 On Good Morning, Sean. It's a great question, it's a 25 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:08.680 good baseball question, and it's fair, And I think that's 26 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:11.959 when it comes down to, you know, the general manager's 27 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:15.159 feel and the manager's feel, the conversations they're having, what 28 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:18.799 they're seeing. Sometimes, as we've learned through a lot of 29 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:21.439 the analytics that have been brought to the table, what 30 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:24.519 we perceive that we see with our eyes may not 31 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:27.439 be happening the same way when the numbers are presented 32 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:30.719 to us. The fact that it's a short sample size 33 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.359 is something to be taken into consideration. At the same time, 34 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.000 you just mentioned if it's the same existing challenges that 35 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:41.799 we're being manifested through the last season, all right, did 36 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:44.640 our adjustments play out over the season? Do we undercorrect? 37 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:48.719 Do we overcorrect? Normally we would look at the season 38 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.840 in twenty game increments at least the places I've been 39 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:56.319 and total evaluation a quarter the way through. So after 40 00:01:56.359 --> 00:02:02.040 twenty games is when we would sit down the general manager, myself, 41 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:05.920 his posse, and the coaching staff and say, Okay, what 42 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:07.920 are we doing well? What are we not doing well? 43 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:09.400 What do we need more of what do we need 44 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:11.240 less of and go from there. 45 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:14.000 Clint, you know this early in the season, you know, 46 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.080 manager in his second year, Joe spot of people are 47 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.199 trying to make an impact. New players, a new right 48 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:20.400 fielder in Camp Smith, a'l two base move, a lot 49 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:23.479 of changes that we'll get to about this Astros team. 50 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:26.199 But when you're just five games in, is there a 51 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:29.520 tendency or should you as a manager do you micro 52 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:32.599 it or do you say let's let it breathe for 53 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:35.479 that twenty game increment and then we'll adjust. How do 54 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:39.080 you from immersing yourself too much into it and letting 55 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.680 the players think, oh, my manager started to panic as well? 56 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:44.960 Well, this is where this is where the elite coaches 57 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:49.000 and managers that they make the difference. It's where Andy 58 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.800 Reid makes a difference. You know, It's where Joe Tory, 59 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:56.800 Bobby Cox used to make a difference. It's where right now, 60 00:02:56.919 --> 00:02:59.680 you know we talked yesterday that Dave Robertson makes a difference. 61 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:03.719 It's that touch and feel of do you go all inclusive. 62 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:06.199 If you're going to give a message, do you give 63 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:09.240 it to the team, not holding a team meeting. But 64 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:12.639 maybe it's something you prepped before your scout meeting. Hey, 65 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:14.800 here's some observation to watch you guys to think about 66 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:17.759 these give me some feedback. Do you go one on one? 67 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:21.439 Do you deploy your coaches in their areas to have 68 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:24.479 a couple of conversations with maybe a couple of individuals. 69 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:27.039 One of the things that helped our process along the way, 70 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.280 especially in Pittsburgh, is we put together what I called 71 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:32.800 it was a you know, as a player leadership council 72 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.680 team whatever. I had the players pick like five guys 73 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:42.120 on the team that would represent the team during challenges 74 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:45.879 and opportunities, and we would meet try me twice a month, 75 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:48.800 and this would be a time where I still wouldn't 76 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:50.800 I still wouln't push too many buttons out five games, 77 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:53.439 then I'd give it. I'd give it some time. I'd 78 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:56.680 give it two weeks and then maybe pull in some 79 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:59.199 of these veteran players and say, what do you see? 80 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.680 What do you feel? What's the noise out there? You 81 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:03.479 don't want to be roam in the halls. You don't 82 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.000 want to be in the clubhouse all the time. You 83 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.039 got to give these guys space and time to breathe. 84 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:11.599 Clint Hurdle former manager. He've been to the World Series. 85 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:15.680 Longtime manager, was once labeled the phenom when he was 86 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:17.879 came up with Kansas City Royals and seeing a lot 87 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:20.800 of great baseball and his obviously got his new book out. 88 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:25.000 Hurdleisms went in Wisdom from a lifetime in Baseball. Why 89 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:29.720 I write this book? What was the motivation and the 90 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:30.759 expectations of it? 91 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:35.360 My man, Well, the motivation, you know, it was number one. 92 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:37.879 It's to try and help. It's gonna be a helper. 93 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:41.879 I spent ten years, in nine years in Pittsburgh and 94 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.480 the fingerprints of Fred Rodgers are all over that city. 95 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.240 And I'm old enough to have watched the show. And 96 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:52.680 I'm not trying to be sat here sentimental, but Fred 97 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:57.439 Rodgers did a crazy number of things really well. He 98 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:01.360 was all inclusive back when most people were. He was 99 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:05.560 kind all the time when most people weren't. And I thought, 100 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:09.680 my sharing my experiences, my struggles, my challenges, my you know, 101 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.079 my mountains and my valleys, that maybe I could provide 102 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.839 some help to somebody else on a similar journey. That 103 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:22.879 was the reason for the book. And now as the 104 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:27.519 feedback i'm getting it is, I'm glad I wrote the book. 105 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:32.240 There are people that are reaching out. Male female, young old. 106 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:34.600 I went and mailed some stuff in the post office 107 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.480 here on the island yesterday. And the young female behind 108 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:41.319 the message the counter goes, I'm sixty pages into your 109 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:44.480 book and I'm like, I didn't. How do you know 110 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:45.959 I wrote a book? You know, this is my way. 111 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.279 She goes, well, you've been mailing them out the last 112 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:52.639 two weeks, you know, to the people. And she goes, 113 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:54.879 I just decided to buy one and read it. She goes, 114 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:57.279 this is really, really good. I'm learning so much about you. 115 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:59.439 I didn't know. She goes, Clinn, I'm glad you wrote 116 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:00.920 the book. When they that's just. 117 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:03.120 You know, that's from nowhere right when they open the book. 118 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:05.600 I mean, I's got to be great satisfaction, maybe cathartic 119 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.240 for you too, in a great feeling of getting this out. 120 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:10.680 I know that, Hell, you're sober. Now, what's it been 121 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:13.399 twenty five years? Clinton, twenty five years sober? Yeah, twenty 122 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:16.680 twenty five years, twenty six years. So when we open 123 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:20.040 this book for somebody who may not know your past 124 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:22.279 or doesn't know where you're going in the future, and 125 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:24.879 they open this book, if you could say there's one 126 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:25.959 thing I want them to learn. 127 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:26.519 What would it be? 128 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:31.920 Ask for help? Ask for help. You know, we we 129 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:35.480 see there's images that are created in our daily life, 130 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:38.560 and you know, in the sports scene the images. You 131 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:41.000 see a lot of images at the end where somebody's 132 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.240 holding a Super Bowl trophy, somebody's holding a World Serious trophy, 133 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.360 and those are good, but not everybody can identify with those. 134 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:49.160 I can't even identify with one of those. Have been 135 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.879 a three World Series, it's finished second three times. I 136 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:55.879 never get to hold the trophy, yep. But what people 137 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:00.000 can I believe, identify with and relate to is authentic challenge, 138 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:04.319 just real disappointments, maybe some hard times along the way, 139 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:08.519 some failures, and then to see somebody that's gotten through them. 140 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.079 Because I went from a guy, as we talked about yesterday, 141 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:14.399 I had two divorces, I had two DUIs and tenures. 142 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:18.040 And I'm not bragging, I'm just calling myself out. There 143 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:21.079 wasn't a lot of trust. There was. You know, this 144 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:22.959 was a guy that well, you hope you catch him 145 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:25.759 on a good day. Later on, I had two major 146 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:28.800 league organizations put me in charge of billion dollar operations 147 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.040 to run the team from the dugout, and they're not 148 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.040 just gonna do that unless they see something in somebody 149 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:41.160 that's there's influence, there's integrity, there's positivity, you know, there's honesty. 150 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.920 So I had to re I had to change myself. 151 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.199 I had to change from the inside out. And I 152 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:50.600 think that's my hope, along with you know, the sharing 153 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:52.360 of the experiences for other people to know that it's 154 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:55.759 never too late to start a new beginning with what's 155 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:56.360 con has. 156 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:58.199 Gone right With all the players you've been around and 157 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.279 not only played, but coached and managed and led all 158 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:08.199 the situations you've been in, is transparency an overwhelming trait 159 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.199 to being I guess close to whether it's the players 160 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:13.240 in the seventies or players that times have changed as 161 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:17.680 we well know, is transparency important still or are players 162 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:18.879 even looking past that now? 163 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.439 I think it's still. I think it's a superpower. I 164 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:27.680 think it's probably more more necessary now than ever before, 165 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:28.920 cause there's so many distractions. 166 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:29.199 Right. 167 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:32.039 The world's a hard place to live in. You know, 168 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:34.919 you look at your upbringing. We can get on a bike, 169 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:36.720 we could ride down on a park, we could play 170 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:39.720 from nine till five. We could pack about you know 171 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.320 about brown bag lunch, you could do things that really 172 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:48.559 are much harder to do today. And that being said, 173 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:52.080 the authenticity of you being you in front of these 174 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:55.879 people and being vulnerable for day Brown, I've read every 175 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:58.120 one of her books, and who would have thought so, 176 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:00.240 We would have told me, a female is going to 177 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:02.600 crack your shield like you've never had a crack by 178 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:06.000 reading your books. This woman has cracked my shield about vulnerability, 179 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:10.879 and I think that's a superpower as well. There's no game, 180 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:13.559 there's no leverage, there's no you're not trying to win anything. 181 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:15.399 You're actually just trying to help that person in front 182 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:17.919 of you, who's the most important person in the world. 183 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:20.879 Right then to put them in a position where they 184 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.080 can have some success, where they can have some fun. 185 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:26.240 And find joy in that. Clint Hurdle Hurdleisms is the 186 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:29.799 book Wit and Wisdom from a lifetime in baseball, longtime manager, 187 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:32.279 player in Major League Baseball, been around it for about 188 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:34.679 four or five decades. Joins us here for a couple 189 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:38.320 more minutes. Some baseball stuff is analytics. Do we use 190 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:38.840 it too much? 191 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.919 Now? Have we lost some of the field for baseball? 192 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.399 Yes, sir, I would say not everywhere, but some places, yes, 193 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:48.919 And I think one of the situations I think we 194 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:52.000 all probably picked up on probably five years ago. It 195 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:55.440 was in my d my last year in Pittsburgh. We 196 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:58.039 were on the cutting edge initially in the analytics in 197 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:02.399 eleven and twelve were front runners with a RAIS, but 198 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:06.120 then everybody caught up, and then people with more assets 199 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:10.159 can obviously do more things right. So everybody's got the 200 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:12.639 same information where you were finding ways to win on 201 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.159 the margins, whether there's strength to your coaching staff, the 202 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:19.000 intelligence your coaching staff, your gut feel of your players, 203 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:22.000 your catching positioning, all those things that has all been 204 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.720 struck down where everybody can get the same information. Now 205 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.679 it's how you filter it down to your coaches and 206 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:29.720 then finding coaches that can filter it and make it, 207 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:33.480 you know, in small bites for the players, it can 208 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.279 be overwhelming. We've taken the heart out of some situations. 209 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:39.360 I believe we don't talk about the art of hitting, 210 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:43.200 the art of pitching anymore. It's it's it's velocity, it's 211 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:46.080 it's rock throwing, and it's spinning, you know, skipping rocks 212 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:51.320 looking for spin. Adding A guy made a comment the 213 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:53.159 other day, you know, there's times when you need to 214 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:54.799 back off hitting the ball out of the park and 215 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:57.840 look for a little less. I mean when that kind 216 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:01.200 of comment now that becomes revolutionary, that shows you the 217 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:04.039 swing we've made in our game from an offense. That's 218 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:07.279 just common sense, right. You only get three strikes. If 219 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:10.679 you got two in a situation needs a ball in play, 220 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:12.639 you need to do something to put the ball in play. 221 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:15.759 So we have used them. I think some teams have 222 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:17.720 used them better than others. Some teams are using them 223 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:20.159 better than us, and I think some teams are still 224 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:23.320 in that vacuum where it's a short space and it's 225 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.240 a screen and you're just cutting the heart out of 226 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:26.080 the game and the player. 227 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:27.960 Okay, So I walk up to you and I say, 228 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:32.200 this torpedo bat, what the hell is going on? What's 229 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:33.960 your answer? 230 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:37.480 I would say, give it a try. One thing I 231 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.559 always we every year, Sean, we have bat companies that 232 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.519 come through the clubhouse. And I saw these guys this 233 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:46.759 spring and the guy grabbed me. He goes, hey, you've 234 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:48.840 always been one to ask questions. He goes, want you 235 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:50.600 to look in our bat. I said, I've heard about 236 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:52.799 the bat, I've never grabbed one, so I felt it 237 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:54.600 and he goes, you know, here's the design. There was 238 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:57.879 a young physicist. He's now coach with the Yankees. He 239 00:11:57.919 --> 00:11:59.919 told me the whole story, and he goes, we're just 240 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:02.679 trying to find a way to pack more wood in 241 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:04.879 the area where the player individually hits. 242 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:05.399 The ball most. 243 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:08.919 And I go, what a concept. Yeah, you know, it's 244 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.960 one thing we've never changed with the bat, really is 245 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.960 the barrel. We've changed knobs, all different kind of knobs available, 246 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:19.559 but we've done much with the bat other than maybe 247 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:22.120 the barrel's a little slender, it's a little thicker. But 248 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:25.840 this is revolutionary. He told me the reason why. I go, 249 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:29.279 that's interesting. And I encouraged some of our guys that 250 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.120 were there in the Major League clubhouse. He grab some 251 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.320 of those bets. You get your hand, give it a shot, 252 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.519 just trying to get none to lose. Right, here's the 253 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:39.279 hard part. Vision, I mean, tradition can be a vision killer. 254 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:42.440 When I picked it up, it was different. Okay, a 255 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:44.480 matter of fact, you know, ten years ago I said, 256 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:46.879 this is weird. Weird isn't the good word he used. 257 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.120 This is different because of the distribution of the weight. 258 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.240 Even I think Bellinger said the more weight. There was 259 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:56.159 more weight towards closer the barrel, so the bat felt lighter, 260 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:59.279 which in my mind makes it better. The bat feels lighter, 261 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:01.399 I can get it through quicker. There's been a lot 262 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:07.000 of comments made. The specifications are all major league, you know, regulated, 263 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:11.440 they're fine. I also still believe give this time to 264 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:14.799 play out. The numbers are kind of crazy hot coming out. 265 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.600 But Pat Murphy, the master the Brewers, the guy that 266 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:20.799 I love. I got that I I you know, I 267 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.320 can identify with, He says, I don't care what kind 268 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:27.159 of wand you got. It's the magician that makes the 269 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:30.559 wand work. So there's got to be some hit ability. 270 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:32.759 These guys that are doing some things now they've shown 271 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:34.399 you a believe to do the best. But it's an 272 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.440 interesting concept. I tipped my hat to the young man 273 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:39.600 that came up with a thought for the Yankees were 274 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.080 putting them in play, and now some of the other 275 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:42.399 teams giving a shot. 276 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.320 You were taken, and that one that they use. 277 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.080 If you got a pitcher that's got pressed, the digitation, 278 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:49.639 a little slide of hand, it's tough to put the 279 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:51.360 battle the ball lithmatics. 280 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:52.720 Well, we're going to find out. 281 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.000 We're gonna find this week schemes I hope will pitch 282 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:59.480 against the Yankees at Pittsburgh. That will be a high 283 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:00.440 end lit assess. 284 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:03.960 Okay, right, we'll see what happens to that on both sides, 285 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:05.679 no doubt about it. Before I let you go, my man, 286 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:10.320 what if? What if somebody calls you up fifty games 287 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:13.799 in and wants you to go manage? Are you is 288 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.639 that door closed or you still open to it? Because 289 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:21.240 you have been a fixer and hugely impactful on teams 290 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.320 you've been with. Is the ship sailed or is it 291 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.360 still open? Like Tito, like Bruce? Are you still open 292 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:27.440 to it the ship? 293 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:31.559 The ship hasn't sailed. I would never say never. I've 294 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.279 just learned in my life experiences that you know the 295 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:41.639 next opportunity. You know. Kelly McGregor, we talked about Kelly right, yep, yesterday. 296 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:43.840 Kelly mcgrave was a president of Rockies. He told me 297 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:45.279 one thing. When I set in the manager's desk the 298 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:46.960 first time he goes plan as lung. As God wants 299 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:48.519 you in that chair, no man can move you out. 300 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:50.679 And when God doesn't like you that chair, no man 301 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.600 can keep you there. So I'm wide open shop the 302 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.120 phone range and it doesn't. I'm pretty good right here. 303 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.279 I'm loving life. But I would I would answer. 304 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:00.000 The call so I can stand on a mountaintop and say, 305 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.320 Clint Hurdles available. So that's a good thing. Ed he 306 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:04.480 can still write books. Will there be a second book? 307 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:06.279 Clint? You thinking about working on number two? 308 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.480 I've already just started scribbling again. We'll see. 309 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:11.159 Well that means there'll be a number two, and we 310 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:13.639 can't wait. Brother, keep sending those emails and keeps sending 311 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.440 that motivation, and you're always welcome here, my man. Enjoy 312 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.720 your day. Appreciate you going back to back with me, 313 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:20.559 and we'll do it plenty more times. Thanks, my man. 314 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.200 The book is Hurdleism's wit and wisdom from a lifetime 315 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.279 in baseball. You get it on Amazon dot com or 316 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.879 wherever you find your books, and it is awesome. 317 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:30.320 I appreciate you, brother, Thank. 318 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:32.159 You, Thank you. Sean. 319 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:33.080 I'm go with you two. 320 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:36.120 One of my favorite dudes on the planet, similar stories 321 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:36.879 in different ways. 322 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:38.720 He is a special man.