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Every week, 56 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:30.280 another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous 57 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:34.319 killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 58 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:47.560 journalist and author Dan Zufanski, Good Evening. 59 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:52.719 Former social worker SR. Reynolds has never forgotten the mishandled 60 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:56.400 case of fifteen year old Michelle Anderson, a vibrant beauty 61 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:59.840 who went missing from reynolds Knoxville, Tennessee neighborhood. Ears ear. 62 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:05.400 Aided by her old professor, famed forensic anthropologist doctor Bill Bass, 63 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.560 founder of the University of Tennessee's Body Farm, Reynolds picks 64 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.360 up the trail of this cold case. As she presses 65 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.759 neglected pieces of the puzzle into place. Reynolds on Earth's 66 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:21.039 a string of heinous kidnappings and rapes across the South, 67 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:28.120 crimes that span decades. A picture begins to form, Patterns appear, 68 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:32.400 and all that evidence points to one man, convicted sex offender, 69 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:36.439 Larry Lee Smith. As a result of Reynolds's efforts, the 70 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:41.080 Knoxville Police Departments reopened the cold case in Michelle's dis disappearance. 71 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:43.719 But Larry Lee is about to be released from a 72 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:47.919 Georgia prison where he served time for related crime. A 73 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:52.159 similar transaction the book that we're featuring this evening, a 74 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:57.240 similar transaction, A true story with my special guest journalist 75 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:00.159 and author S. R. Reynolds. Welcome to the program. Thank 76 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.080 you very much for agreeing to this interview. Sr. 77 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.879 Reynolds, Thank you, Yes, glad to be here. 78 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:10.879 Thank you very much. Let's jump right into this because 79 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:15.199 this is a complicated story spanning, as I mentioned in 80 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:21.040 the introduction, decades and your extraordinary effort along with various 81 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:25.279 victims and victims families members to bring this Larry Lee 82 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:30.639 Smith to justice. So let's get right to that, and 83 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:35.439 we start starting your book with the introduction of Katherine McWilliams. Now, 84 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:39.120 this is fourteen year old girl. She just moved from 85 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:42.240 New York with her father to Florida with her mother. 86 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:48.959 Our parents were separated, and on July twelfth, nineteen eighty one, 87 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:52.199 she is out with friends. It gets late, she has 88 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:56.079 a curfew and her friend Tom, which was a ride 89 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.360 or could be a ride, wasn't ready to leave at 90 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:02.160 that point. She was wanted to meet that curfield. She's 91 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:04.600 still she needed a ride, and a young main man 92 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:09.600 named Larry Lee Smith volunteers. Now, as you write the 93 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.839 Tom writes down the man's license plate number and his 94 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:17.439 own phone number and hands it to Katherine. Now what 95 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:21.000 happens on that ride home with Catherine and Larry Lee. 96 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:27.240 Okay? Well, he travels into the city of Clearwater from 97 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.360 the beach where they've been, and he tells her that 98 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.839 before he takes her home, which is about thirty minutes away, 99 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.079 he needs to stop by his friend's apartment and pick 100 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:42.279 up something, and she says okay, And they get there 101 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.639 and he convinces her to come upstairs to the apartment 102 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:50.800 with him, telling him, or telling her rather, that he 103 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.639 wants her to meet his friends, and she's just anxious 104 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:57.360 to get home, so she gives in and goes up 105 00:05:57.439 --> 00:05:59.839 with him, just to kind of keep things moving along. 106 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.720 She isn't yet seeing him as any kind of dangerous person. 107 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:07.680 She isn't afraid at this point, but she's kind of alert. 108 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:12.560 Once they are in the apartment, however, she realizes that 109 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:16.800 there's no one else in there. They're alone. Suddenly he 110 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:20.319 grabs her by the neck and shoves her into the bedroom. 111 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:23.600 He chokes her, which is kind of one of his 112 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:27.199 signature things. He chokes her, punches her, throws her down 113 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.399 on the bed, and he rapes her. He threatens to 114 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.360 kill her if she tells, kill her family if she tells, 115 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:37.199 And she's sort of astute for a young girl, so 116 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:41.839 she decides that a good survival strategy would be to 117 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:46.079 play along with him. She's utterly alone at night with him, 118 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.600 so she gives into his demands to a degree. She 119 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.800 begins to act like she's okay with what's happening. He 120 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:58.759 even asks her afterwards if she enjoyed the ordeals or rape, 121 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:03.079 and she says, yeah, yeah, sure, keeping him humoring him. 122 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:07.560 Before leaving, he has her bathe in an effort to 123 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.560 erase any evidence. I guess you thought he was pretty clever. 124 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:13.319 He also gets the piece of paper from her with 125 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:16.079 a tag number on it. When they get down to 126 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.319 his truck, he tells her to slide down cover her eyes, 127 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:23.959 you know, determining that she can't see where they're leaving from, 128 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.800 so she won't be able to identify where they've been. Uh. 129 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:32.600 And on the way home, he makes chatty, flirty small 130 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:36.480 talk with her, feeling like maybe she actually likes him 131 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:41.160 her she's kind of convinced him, and then she has 132 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:44.079 him drop or once they return to Port Richie neighborhoods, 133 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.879 she has him drop her about half a block from 134 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.279 her actual house, so we won't know really where she lives. 135 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:54.800 He drives off and then she races down the street, 136 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.800 bursts through her front door, and you know, the screams 137 00:07:57.839 --> 00:07:59.319 to her mother, I've been raped. 138 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:06.160 Now her mother, Jane, calls the police. They take her 139 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:08.439 to the hospital. At some point she's a rape kid 140 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:15.480 is conducted, she cooperates with them. She's got the presence 141 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.079 of mind that she can work on a composite drawing. 142 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:21.360 So a composite drawing that she thinks really looks good 143 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:28.160 is done, completed, and then she helps Catherine, helps the 144 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:32.559 police find the address, draws it, makes a drawing. She 145 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:36.240 was aware of her circumstances, like you had mentioned, when 146 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:39.039 she was after she was taken back to her home, 147 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:43.559 which leads to the rest. A few weeks later, he 148 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:47.919 is arrested for kidnapping and rape, and the trial was 149 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:53.120 December nineteen eighty one. By by January nineteen eighty two, 150 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.879 it was dealt down to in voluntary sexual battery and 151 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:01.799 he was given five years and at that point there 152 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:06.440 was a recommendation by the judge for psychiatric evaluation. Now, 153 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:10.720 once in prison, what was that diagnosis and what crucial 154 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:14.279 information did he tell a psychiatrist at that time about 155 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:15.799 his six year old niece. 156 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:22.360 Yes, well, over the length of his prison stay, he's 157 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:26.120 given a number of different diagnoses actually related to his 158 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:30.639 mental health and status at the time, mental status including 159 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:36.080 one called psychogenic amnesia, which isn't even used anymore, but 160 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:41.120 this was the eighties. But regarding his sexual behaviors and charges, 161 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:48.840 he's diagnosed as a mentally disordered sex offender. He consults 162 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.200 with a number of psychiatrists while he's in the prison, 163 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.159 and he admits to one of them some of his 164 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:00.519 prior sexual offenses, including an attempted rape of his pet, 165 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:05.279 h wife's friend, and he tells the psychiatrist that he's 166 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:11.360 attempted to rape his niece. He tells the psychiatrist's niece 167 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:15.440 was eight when he was probably about fourteen or fifteen. 168 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:20.080 She was actually just six, And from my research, that 169 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:23.000 rape was consummated, so he didn't attempt to rape his niece. 170 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:26.559 He actually did rape her when she was actually six, 171 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:30.200 and he tells the psychiatrist that he would like to 172 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:37.639 understand why he's attracted to young girls now while he's 173 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:42.799 in the prison. He well, it's recommend The psychiatrist recommends 174 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:47.399 that he enters a program for mentally disordered sex offenders 175 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:51.279 at the State Psychiatric Hospital. He agrees to that plan. 176 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.759 It is a program that requires one to be committed 177 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:00.000 to doing the treatment. It's called a self help program. 178 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:03.399 You have to be willing, you can't be forced into it. 179 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:10.600 He's there about a year, but they determine that for 180 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:14.759 the most part, he's non compliant. He's defiant, he breaks rules, 181 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:19.960 he won't do his therapeutic assignments consistently, he doesn't cooperate 182 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:27.200 in group when they give him personality inventories. He fakes 183 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:30.159 his answers in order to influence a test one way 184 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.720 or another. He's just kind of conning. And after about 185 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:37.399 a year he tells them that he no longer wants 186 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:39.159 to be in the program, that he wants to be 187 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:44.399 discharged and return to the general prison population. That he 188 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:47.399 thinks he can get out sooner that way. And I 189 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:50.519 guess he'd probably maybe do what he was talking about 190 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:55.200 because they did discharge him back to the general population. 191 00:11:55.399 --> 00:12:01.080 His discharge diagnoses from the sex at Her treatment program 192 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:06.799 was mentally disordered sex offender unimproved, and they actually had 193 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.960 a prognosis that he was probably more aggressive, more likely 194 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:14.639 to violently act out. But then eight months later he 195 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:20.360 is parolled from the Florida prison after having served just 196 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.679 under half of his five year sentence, and he remained 197 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.759 in Florida about another year year and a half until 198 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:32.159 sometime in nineteen eighty six, and then he returns to 199 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.519 his hometown of Knoxville, Tennessee. 200 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:43.840 Now in Knoxville, Tennessee. On January tenth, nineteen eighty seven, 201 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:48.639 Michelle Anderson doesn't come home one night, and she lives 202 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.639 with her mother, Anita, her brother Doug Junior, Michelle's father 203 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:57.360 Doug Doug Senior, lives in Florida, and her boyfriend is 204 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:05.879 eighteen year old Chaz. Now Anita calls so No. Anita 205 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:08.720 calls Michelle's best friend Marcy, and she doesn't know where 206 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:14.600 her friend is. Then Anita speaks with Chaz, and soon 207 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:18.360 Chaz tells Anita a story about meeting up with Larry 208 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:23.679 Lee Smith. What happened according to Chaz that night with. 209 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:31.679 Michelle Well Anita. As you said, Michelle's mother had gone 210 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:34.200 out for a little while that evening, and while she 211 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:39.879 was out, Michelle and some of her friends, including Chaz, 212 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:43.960 they slipped off to a party and the kids had 213 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:48.879 been drinking. Chaz and a few of the other kids 214 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:52.440 walked from the party they were at to a convenience 215 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.320 store to get some more beer, but the clerk refuses 216 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:00.679 to sell it to them because they're underage, and they 217 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:04.320 meet a stranger in this convenience store who overhears this 218 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:08.159 interaction and who offers to by the beer for them. 219 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:13.559 And this stranger is Larry Lee Smith. He invites himself 220 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:19.120 back to their party, and then afterward he invites Chad 221 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:24.639 and Michelle and another girlfriend to come over to his 222 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:28.480 party and or excuse me his apartment and continue to 223 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:32.600 the party to party a little longer. Not the smartest 224 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:35.480 thing to do, but everybody's been drinking. I guess judgments 225 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:40.360 were not too good. Some things go on there. There's 226 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:46.519 some questionable things, and Chaz and Michelle get into an altercation. 227 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:51.159 They begin to have an argument, voices get loud, Michelle 228 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:55.679 runs out of the apartment, and Larry Lee tells them 229 00:14:55.759 --> 00:15:00.440 that he will take them home now, but he makes 230 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.639 Chaz sit in the back. It's below freezing at this point. 231 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.600 So January night, he makes him sit in the back 232 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.559 of his truck in the bed, and he and Michelle 233 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.960 are up in the cab and he drops Chaz off 234 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:18.639 near his house first. And the understanding that Chad has, 235 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:22.840 and I'm sure that Michelle had too, was that Larry 236 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:27.200 Lee was going to drop her off next but that 237 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:36.720 did not happen. He I'm sorry to put my trailers 238 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:38.759 out there. It's freezing out, so, like I said, so 239 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:44.200 he drives off with Michelle, and so Chaz thinks that 240 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:48.399 she's been taken home when Michelle doesn't return home the 241 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:50.679 next morning. Ever, when she never returns home that night 242 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:54.519 and the family contacts Chas and says, do you know 243 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.320 where Michelle is? He tells them the story that I've 244 00:15:57.399 --> 00:16:01.080 just shared about Larry Lee and him riding off with 245 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:04.679 Michelle to take her home. So they all go over 246 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.120 to Larry Lee's house to try to get some answer. 247 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:12.159 He's not there initially, then he shows up. He sees 248 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.759 him outside, he panics. He runs out of his apartment 249 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.320 without saying anything to them, jumps in his truck and 250 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:24.679 speeds away. The police are called. The police take statements 251 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:29.000 from both parties. They tell me that they'll look for Michelle, 252 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:32.320 that they'll begin a search, but everybody's told to go 253 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.000 home for the rest of the night. And they never 254 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:38.480 questioned Larry Lee again that night about Michelle's disappearance. 255 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:45.360 Now you say police don't question Larry Lee about this, 256 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:50.240 They just break up this altercation and just take reports 257 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:55.919 regarding that. So how do police proceed in this missing 258 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:56.759 person's case? 259 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:03.080 Well, it's a sign. The case is assigned to Detective 260 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:09.119 Jerry McNair, and he had once he received the complaint. 261 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:14.319 He apparently talked to Larry Lee prior to actually meeting 262 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:18.160 with Anita that following Monday, and Larry Lee made the 263 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:23.759 claim to Detective McNair and then also to Anita that 264 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:26.839 he didn't actually take her home. After he drove off 265 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:31.559 from Chazzis. He tells them that Michelle was upset because 266 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:34.079 of her argument with Chads, and she wants to talk 267 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:37.599 to Larry Lee and that they just go riding around 268 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.640 and talking and then it's like a couple of hours later, 269 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:45.440 he claims and Michelle says instead of being taken home, 270 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:49.559 she wants to be dropped off at the corner near 271 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:53.119 Chasit's house, you know, in the wee hours of the morning. 272 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:55.880 And so he claims that's what he did. He claims 273 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.599 that the last time he saw Michelle, he had dropped 274 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:07.599 her back. Dear chat has housed and detector McNair determined that, 275 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.240 based upon Larry Lee's story, she must have run away, 276 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.079 which really made sense to no one. I mean, her 277 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:21.279 friends didn't think she ran away. Manita didn't think she 278 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:25.640 ran away. But he was the detective in charge. He 279 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:28.400 said he looked at Larry Lee's police record, the local one, 280 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:32.680 and that it wasn't that bad. Of course, he didn't 281 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:38.000 discover the record of sexual assault in prison and imprisonment 282 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:40.880 in Florida just a few years earlier, and he doesn't 283 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:43.480 know anything about that early isn't going to tell him 284 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:50.279 that obviously, So you know, there is no investigation into 285 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:55.160 her disappearance until her potential kidnapping because the detective in 286 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:57.799 charge treats it like a runaway. He tells the Needa 287 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:01.319 to go to her family court on missing person's report, 288 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:05.839 you know, a pickup orders, which is the thing that's 289 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.960 issued for a run away is you know, but there's nothing, 290 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:12.640 So there's no real investigation at all by the police 291 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:13.519 at that point in time. 292 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:19.839 Now you have a really heartbreaking part of this is 293 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:27.720 that Anita had just wanted to believe that her daughter 294 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:30.559 would come home, that you'd be found, something would happen. 295 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:34.160 She had hesitated to call Doug Senior and tell him 296 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:39.079 the truth about her daughter and her disappearance. Incredible, Now 297 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:42.920 finally she does about a month later. Meanwhile, Larry Lee 298 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.079 had called you writ in a book every day of 299 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:50.599 that first week to ask about her, and you write 300 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:55.839 that Larry Lee's car was vandalized. And then the next day, coincidentally, 301 00:19:55.920 --> 00:20:00.480 a note appeared on Anita's door, Shelle's mother. What was 302 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:07.440 written and contained in that note, Well, this again. 303 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.200 Was the nineteen eighties, and there was a cultural phenomenon 304 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:15.039 happening across the country during that time that in retrospect 305 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.880 has been called the Satanic Panic, and it was in 306 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:20.359 full force during these days. 307 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:21.160 And so. 308 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:28.720 Adita and family members and friends of Michelle's had really 309 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:32.039 begun a search. They put it up posters in this 310 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:34.880 just in this week's time. They were doing what the 311 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:38.400 police were doing. They were fervently searching for her. And 312 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:42.440 I don't know if Larry Lee thought somebody connected to 313 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.680 their party had vandalized this car. Maybe he knew did 314 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.880 it whatever, but he A note appears on Anita's door, 315 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:56.440 and it is written in Satanic verses. It says Michelle 316 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:59.160 something like Michelle is with us, she is ours forever, 317 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.480 come close again and she will suffer more Dante of Hell, 318 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:07.799 blood of the Virgin and other nonsensical ramblings. And there's 319 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:10.599 a couple of drawings that look like they're made in blood, 320 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:15.720 and there's a duplicate copy placed on the friend of 321 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.559 the car, of a friend that had also been participating 322 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:25.119 in the search. So you know, at first the notes 323 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:28.839 given to the detective McNair, I don't know what he 324 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:31.799 made of it. It doesn't take I mean, it's too 325 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:35.680 long to come to the conclusion that it's probably a 326 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:39.039 tactic by Larry Lee or someone in his circle to 327 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:43.480 throw them off. You know, he's probably getting a little 328 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:47.640 scared if he's responsible for her death so or her 329 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:52.680 disappearance rather so, anyway, that's what happened with that, the 330 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:54.599 Satanic verses written on her door. 331 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:02.000 Now you write to Larry Lee had said that told 332 00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:04.559 Anita that you thought Michelle ran away because she was 333 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:09.319 pregnant with a man named Lynn. Now Nita didn't really 334 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:13.720 believe it, you say, but she still followed everything. She 335 00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:16.119 followed it up, and she happened to meet a former 336 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:22.880 attorney for the Smith family, Larry Lee's Smith's family, and 337 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:27.559 he told her what Larry Lee is. What did he 338 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:32.240 tell her about Larry Lee and the family, the Smith family? 339 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:35.960 Right? She did? That was sort of an amazing thing. 340 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.319 A lot of amazing things happened in this journey that 341 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:42.319 the family was sort of on on her own. But 342 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:46.039 she followed up on any and every lead she possibly could. 343 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:51.480 And she heard about this, and she's trying to contact 344 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:54.359 Larry Lee to follow up on his accusation about Lenn, 345 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:58.000 but she can't get him to talk, and she's making 346 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:01.559 contact and she stumbled sent to this contact with a 347 00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:04.960 family attorney. Somebody probably did call him, and she did 348 00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:08.319 and he was amazingly open with her. He had worked 349 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:13.880 for the family previously. He told her that they were 350 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:18.119 pretty rough folks, and he tells her this is the 351 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.319 very first time she learned that Larry Lee has in 352 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:25.759 fact is in fact, the convicted felon that he did 353 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:29.400 was charged with kidnapping and rape of a teenage girl 354 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:32.640 in Florida just a few years earlier and had served 355 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:35.799 time in a Florida prison. So this is amazing and 356 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:41.200 shocking new information. She immediately relates it to Detective but Naire. 357 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:44.279 He tells her that he will get on it, that 358 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:48.440 he will send for those Florida records. But to the 359 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:50.960 best of everyone's knowledge, e've been up to the present day, 360 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:55.240 that didn't occur at that time. But you know, Anita 361 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:58.799 certainly learns that she's dealing you know, her fears keep growing. 362 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:01.960 She's really I realize that she's really dealing with a 363 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:03.240 pretty dangerous character. 364 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:13.079 Here you write of another extraordinary event, again beyond coincidence, certainly, 365 00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:17.039 in December eighty seven, about almost a year later, Anita 366 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.279 receives a phone call and it was a woman apparently 367 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:24.960 that saw a number on the back of something, and 368 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:28.400 it happened to be one of the flyers missing flyers. 369 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:33.039 But she thought originally that maybe her man was fooling around, 370 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:35.279 and so she wanted to know if there was some 371 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:38.720 connection in that way, and they began to talk and 372 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:43.960 again amazingly beyond coincidence. She stated that she knew Larry 373 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:49.839 Lee's twenty four year old ex wife, Sarah, which led 374 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.359 to Anita meeting Sarah. Now, what did Sarah tell Anita 375 00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.200 about living with Ruby and her son Larry Lee. 376 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:04.839 Yeah, that was an amazing Sarah in diibitous call that 377 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:08.599 Anita's mother actually took at her house. Anita was out 378 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:10.680 and her mother's stopped by her house to pick up something, 379 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:13.000 and the phone rang and she answers it, and it's 380 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:19.559 this unusual caller who ends up knowing Sarah. And so 381 00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:24.680 this woman sets up a meeting with Anita and her 382 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:32.160 boyfriend's head and Sarah. Sarah was a lovely young woman, 383 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:38.119 really striking, who had endured a horrible early childhood. She 384 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.559 experienced the neglect, she was molested by various various family members, 385 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.319 and then when she was fifteen, she met Larry Lee. 386 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:52.039 They began a relationship. She doesn't see his dark syd 387 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:58.759 yet before long she's pregnant and she moves in with him. 388 00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:01.359 He has a basement apart base in the bedroom in 389 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:05.680 his mother's house, and they move in and at first 390 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:12.079 things seem okay, but then when she's bet in her 391 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.839 seventh month of pregnancy. She begins to see episodes of 392 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:22.960 his other behaviors and she went through extensive abuse, so 393 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:25.839 she tells Anita. After she listens to Anita story about 394 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.039 Michelle being missing and last being seen with Larry Lee, 395 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:32.359 you know it weighs very heavily upon Sarah. She's a 396 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:37.279 very caring, empathetic person, and she begins to describe to 397 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:42.240 Anita how she had literally escaped from Larry Lee after 398 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:47.880 being subjected to regular meetings by him, torture. She'd actually 399 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:51.559 been held prisoner for a while by him. He pimped 400 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:54.240 her out to other men. He had her working as 401 00:26:54.880 --> 00:27:01.759