WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:05.960 It's night Side, Dan undoing Mazy Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:09.960 Beg you, Dan Watkins, as we move into a Thursday 3 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:13.439 night edition of Nightside. We'll be here for the next 4 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:15.720 four hours, less a few minutes. We'll get you all 5 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:18.800 the way up until midnight. We will talk later on 6 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:23.800 tonight with a former Massachusetts state representative who spent some 7 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:26.559 years in federal prison some time, I should say in 8 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:35.000 federal prison for some campaign violations. It was complicated by 9 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:39.679 some addictions. And we'll be talking with former Massachusetts Representative 10 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:45.719 Dave Nangle Nangle and talk about not only what he 11 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:48.119 has learned from this cautionary tale, but how he hopes 12 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:50.600 to help people as a consequence of it. And then 13 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:52.960 later on tonight at ten o'clock, we will talk with 14 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:57.359 Larry and Scott Rubinstein, the WVZ Nightside car guys. So 15 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.119 it's May first, the driving season is about to get 16 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:03.000 underwagh and any questions you have about cars in any 17 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.000 shape or form, any vehicle, any model, any make. They 18 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:10.519 know more about cars than any two people I know. 19 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.560 My name's Dan Ray. I know myself pretty well, and 20 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:17.840 I also know Rob Brooks, the pronouncer, the producer of 21 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:21.799 this program. I do not know. Our first guest here 22 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.680 at the eight o'clock hour. His name is doctor Stephen Katz. 23 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:28.439 Pleasure to make your acquaintance, Doctor Katz. How are you 24 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:28.959 this evening? 25 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:33.359 Hi Dan, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. You know, 26 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.480 we can just chat about cars if you like. I 27 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.560 like the idea of your guys coming on later. I'd 28 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:39.480 love to talk with them. 29 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:42.760 Well, I'll tell you six month seven two five thirty. 30 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:46.040 Give them a call. They know everything. But you are 31 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:51.120 the president of the American Association of Endo Dauntists, and 32 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:55.040 I believe that word endo dantist is from the Greek 33 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:59.799 which means inside the tooth. We're talking about taking care 34 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:06.519 of our teeth inside and outside. You have a message 35 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:13.800 from my listeners, because look, healthy teeth are just as 36 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.680 important as any other portion of your body to keep 37 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:21.039 healthy because it can have tremendous impact on us. What 38 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:23.840 is the primary message you want to impart to my 39 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:25.599 listeners tonight, our listeners to me. 40 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:31.879 Yeah, that's exactly right. So I am, as you said, 41 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:35.560 the president of the American Association of end Adonnas and Endomeans. 42 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:40.879 Within the tooth, end adonis perform root canal therapy and 43 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:46.520 related procedures to save the teeth. And it just so 44 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:51.039 happens that starting today is what we celebrate called Save 45 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:55.599 your Tooth Month, and in May each year, the American 46 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:01.360 Association of end Adonnas recognizes and Celli breaks are members 47 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:07.479 and champion the preservation of natural teeth and their quest 48 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:11.400 to improve oral health for all our patients. And I 49 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:14.759 think the message that we would like to impart is 50 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:22.000 that nothing feels, functions, or looks like our natural teeth do. 51 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:28.240 They are just so crucial for eating, for speaking, and 52 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:33.400 for smiling, and we all understand the value that that imparts. 53 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:38.120 But more importantly, what we learn now, as you said, 54 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:43.479 is that the teeth are associated with the overall health 55 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.800 of the body. So we know that if you have 56 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:50.759 a clean, healthy mouth, you have less likely chance of 57 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:54.680 having heart disease, you have better brain health, you have 58 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:58.560 better control of your sugar, and there's many other things 59 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:02.479 that I think will continue to discover about how important 60 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:04.719 it is to save your natural teeth. 61 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.280 So one of the things that I want to address 62 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:12.560 with you is the word root, the phrase root canal. 63 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:17.879 I had a couple when I was very young, back 64 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:22.040 in the dark ages, and they were not pleasant experiences. 65 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:26.720 But as I understand it, you folks try to make 66 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:32.279 people understand that the fear of the current dentist is 67 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.720 quite different than maybe the first dentist all of us 68 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:40.360 were introduced to early on in our lives. How important 69 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:48.240 in your mind is the patience comfort with a procedure 70 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:51.000 as complicated as a root canal, and it does. It's 71 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:54.519 one of those words that no one ever wants to hear. Doctor. 72 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:56.959 I'm sure you have you understand what I'm saying. 73 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:02.800 Sure, sure, And oh, I mean, I don't know how 74 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:06.319 I could sum that up other than to say it's 75 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:11.279 crucially important when we treat patients as endodonists. I mean 76 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.720 that is primary that our patients are numb, that they 77 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:18.639 don't feel anything at all, and that it's a positive 78 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:21.839 experience for them. So I think the point you made 79 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:26.439 is really accurate and valid. A lot of patients have 80 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.480 had procedures in the past, and you know they were 81 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:35.160 potentially uncomfortable, and that keeps patients away from the dentist. 82 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:38.040 But the problem with that is the longer you stay 83 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:41.000 away from the dentist, the more likely that you're going 84 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:45.480 to have problems, and those problems become bigger problems, and 85 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.800 those teeth ultimately could need root canal and some of 86 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:52.160 them could actually be lost as well. So the thing 87 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:56.319 about seeing an end adonist is that we are experts 88 00:05:56.360 --> 00:06:00.360 in the diagnosis and treatment of pain. We've been trained 89 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:06.759 extensively in anesthesia and how to make our patients comfortable. Additionally, 90 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:11.439 compared to the past, we have newer techniques, We have 91 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:16.720 newer technologies, and we have better local anesthesia. So all 92 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:20.319 of those things compounded can make for an experience that's 93 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:24.319 not any different than having a filling or even having 94 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:27.920 your teeth cleaned. It should really be completely painless. 95 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.279 Yeah, I think it's really important. I had a dentist 96 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.120 as a young boy. It was a bad experience, and 97 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:37.319 I stayed away from the dentist for a while and 98 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.879 paid a price. I've had really good dental care throughout 99 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:46.240 my adult life. I was fortunate enough to have a 100 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:50.839 couple of great friends who became my dentist, and I 101 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.879 had to get over myself at a lot of I 102 00:06:54.920 --> 00:07:00.800 think legitimate apprehensions, But again, I was a child in 103 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:05.120 the late nineteen fifties dealing with the dentist who they 104 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.399 would give you some he would give you Novacan, and 105 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:09.480 the next thing you felt was his knee on your 106 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:13.160 chest as the drill was going. And I was saying, like, 107 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:16.519 as an eight year old doc, shouldn't wait a little while. Oh, no, 108 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:21.399 it's no problem, And yeah it was. It was a 109 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:24.319 huge problem. So we have moved out of I don't 110 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:26.839 like to refer to the nineteen fifties as dark ages, 111 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:31.439 but I think we've gone way beyond the type of 112 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.800 care people received from dentists, you know, some fifty or 113 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:37.480 sixty years ago, and it's improved sprentially. 114 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:42.639 Yeah, and you're one hundred percent correct, And you know, 115 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.240 I'm just a few years behind you. Dan and I 116 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:50.000 experienced the same thing. And then later in life, I 117 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:52.480 ended up meeting a root canal and I went to 118 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:55.879 an end of Donnis and it was really a very 119 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:59.600 positive experience. I was in pain when I went there 120 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:03.160 and not feeling great, and he took care of that 121 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:07.360 and the procedure was painless. But I felt exactly the 122 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:10.319 same way. And that's what encouraged me to go to 123 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:15.600 dental school and ultimately to specialize in endodonics, was that experience. 124 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:19.240 So you are correct, it was very different. I'm not, 125 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.959 are you calling it the dark Agency. You know, it 126 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:25.519 was only fifty years ago, but you know, from a 127 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:29.800 tech now standpoint, we are so much further than we 128 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:30.560 were back then. 129 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:34.759 Yeah, I believe me. Sometimes I go to the dentist 130 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:38.559 and now who I have, and I walk out and 131 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:43.120 I say, it didn't hurt. Why did it hurt in 132 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.799 the old days? Anyway, I thank you for what you do, 133 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.519 and I thank you for your demeanor and your approach 134 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:55.559 because I know how important seeing your dentist, you know, 135 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:59.240 every six months, and getting your teeth cleaned and making 136 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:02.399 sure that they stayed clean because it presents, it prevents 137 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:05.960 problems going forward. I understand that there are millions of 138 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:10.360 Americans who have lost all of their teeth, and you 139 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:15.519 know that to me is a complete tragedy that many 140 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.399 Americans are walking around with all of most of their 141 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.480 teeth missing, because it's such an impact on the rest 142 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:25.080 of their life. As you said earlier, they don't smile, 143 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:28.279 they don't they're not able often to eat the food 144 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:34.200 they enjoy, and it is a deleterious effect on their lifestyle. 145 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:38.879 So thanks for joining us tonight, and thanks for clarifying 146 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:43.120 what antidontics can actually do. It's not a word we 147 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:45.639 should fear. It's a word that we should take advantage of. 148 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:52.519 In the yep, exactly right. And if your listeners, you 149 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.799 don't should need root canal therapy, they can find us. 150 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:58.679 They don't need to come through their dentist. They could 151 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.879 just go to find my end adonis dot com and 152 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:08.360 find a specialist in their area that can take care 153 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.559 of the issues. And you know, you are correct. We 154 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:14.039 do see a lot of people walking around with our teeth, 155 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:16.720 but that's better than it used to be, so we 156 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:19.879 aren't getting our message out. And in addition to that, 157 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.759 if patients have not seen the dentist, it's never too late. 158 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.960 You can always start and we could save most of 159 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.360 their teeth and they can keep them for the rest 160 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.000 of their lives. So I don't want people to think that, 161 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.759 you know, they have to give up. They can go 162 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.440 to the dentist, get treatment and retain what they have. 163 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:45.559 Doctor Stephen Katz. Very great presentation, and I mean that seriously. 164 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:51.759 I was even apprehensive talking to you, but you have 165 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:53.720 put my mind at ease and hopefully a lot of 166 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:57.440 my listeners all up and down the Eastern Seaboard. Doctor 167 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.320 Stephen Katz, what's that website one more time with people 168 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.639 can go to if they need an answered Auntist. 169 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.679 Yes, it's find my endidonist dot com. 170 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:10.919 Couldn't be easier. Couldn't be easier. Thank you so much, 171 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.279 doctor Katz. Look forward to talking again again. 172 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.799 Yeah, it was great to being on. Thank you so much. BOBBYE. 173 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.080 Welcome. When we get back, we're going to talk about 174 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.879 another problem, not well maybe a problem for us. We're 175 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.240 going to talk about Cape Cod and the great white 176 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:28.519 sharks that we've become accustomed to, and we're going to 177 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:32.519 talk with the president of the Atlantic Shark Expeditions, doctor 178 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:37.159 Neil Hammerschlog, and answer the question what would happen to 179 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:40.919 Cape Cod if the Great whites disappear. We'll be back 180 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:42.679 right after this on Nightside. 181 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:47.360 You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's 182 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:48.039 news radio. 183 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:52.360 With us is doctor Neil hammas Schlog. He is a 184 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:57.120 the president of the Atlantic Shark Expeditions. First of all, 185 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:01.440 doctor Hammerschlag, tell us exactly what is it Atic Shock Expeditions. 186 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.240 Is this something that you're involved in professionally or can 187 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:08.159 people use the Atlantic Shock Expeditions and take trips out 188 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:10.639 to the briny deep and see some white shocks up 189 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:11.440 close and personal. 190 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.320 Hi there. Yeah, it's actually a bit of both. So 191 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.799 we do bring people out from the public to get 192 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:22.600 on a boat. They can view the sharks from the 193 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:25.440 boat or actually take the plunge in our shark cage 194 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:28.519 and get face to face on the waters of predators. 195 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:32.200 And it all supports research that we're doing out on 196 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:33.320 these sharks while. 197 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:33.840 On the boat. 198 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:35.879 All right, so now we know that you do get 199 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.200 up close and personal. So the question is, and I'm 200 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:41.840 going to ask you when did the sharks? When are 201 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:43.919 white sharks off the coast of the cave. I'm going 202 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.759 to go really to the fundamentals Initially, when do they 203 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:51.159 arrive and when do they depart for warmer waters? 204 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:56.320 Yeah, so they're they're a bit like a like a snowbird. 205 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.320 So they spend the kind of summer and fall off 206 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.039 the cape, and then when the waters get cold, they 207 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:05.519 head back down south to over winter. 208 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.440 So we're talking about, say the fourth of July to 209 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:11.120 the end of October. When will you see your first 210 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.399 white this year white shark off the cape. 211 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:17.519 So I don't work in the cape. I work in 212 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:21.360 Nova Scotia, So I work in Nova Scotia, just a 213 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:23.960 bit north of the shelf of Maine, and so we 214 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:29.639 see sharks there coming in around July, August, September, but 215 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.039 it's slightly earlier off off the cape, so you can 216 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.080 probably expected to see that in June or right. 217 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:38.120 Okay, so they are migratory. That's great. So now my 218 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:46.639 question then is, and my producer says that there's a 219 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:49.120 story here sharks scientists show what may happen to cape 220 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:52.279 called if great whites disappear. I don't assume great whites 221 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:54.720 are going to disappear anytime soon. And our focus is 222 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.200 the cape because we're so familiar with the cape. What 223 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.759 would happen or what could cause cause white sharks to 224 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.360 no longer migrate up here, great whites to no longer 225 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:09.000 migrate up there? How significant of a change in water 226 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.120 temperature would we need some here in New England or 227 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:14.879 in the southeast Canada. 228 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.440 Well, you'd actually be surprised these animals. And I don't 229 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:22.600 think it's going to be water temperature that would have 230 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:25.919 a dramatic effect. I mean the I think what we're 231 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:28.080 seeing in other place of the world is that these 232 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:32.480 sharks are long lived and they mature laid life and 233 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.320 they have very few offspring. So if there's a lot 234 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:38.440 of all of a sudden they start being captured in 235 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:44.639 fisheries and suffering or being killed some way, being removed, 236 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:47.200 they could quickly quickly disappear. 237 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:49.440 So they need to So you're telling me, is they 238 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:50.360 need to be protected. 239 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:55.720 Yeah, I mean they Fortunately they are protected in the 240 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.720 US and in Canada. And what we're seeing is their 241 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.399 numbers are healthy. Right now they've increased and right now 242 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:03.240 they are healthy. 243 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.440 Great, it was not always that way. Was there a 244 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:11.159 period of time when Captain Ahab was running around that 245 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:12.080 the whites h. 246 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:18.919 I mean, yeah, their numbers definitely dropped in January seventies, 247 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:22.879 eighties and nineties, where you know, at least the early 248 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.799 nineties until they are protected in the late nineties. But 249 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:29.720 in the seventeen and eighties, saw you know, these sharks 250 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:30.919 the numbers decline. 251 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:37.279 Okay, Now the next question that I have is, clearly 252 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.919 they're part of the ecosystem, a big part of the ecosystem. 253 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:45.879 Your sense is that right now they're in pretty good 254 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:51.600 shape in terms of numbers, and that they are replacing 255 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:57.759 the sharks are replacing themselves. What do we need to 256 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.320 not that we need to worry about things, but what 257 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.840 are you most concerned about in terms of making sure 258 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:09.559 that the great white sharks are welcomed and comfortable up 259 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:11.320 in your neck of the woods and down in our 260 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:13.480 neck of the woods by cape cod. What worries you 261 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:14.480 at night if anything? 262 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.600 You know, you know, I think while animals can be 263 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:23.200 protected on paper, that doesn't always you know, come out 264 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:26.320 in reality. And so you know, there's a possibility that 265 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.480 these these sharks could be targeted by people, you know, 266 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:33.879 trophy hunters trying to catch the big one, you know, 267 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:36.919 get a set of jaws. They're being caught. They could 268 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.000 be caught, you know, unintentionally, you know, entanglement and things 269 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.840 like yeah, traps or lobster pots, and then you know 270 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:47.120 they could be killed, you know, when they leave protected 271 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:50.679 waters and being taken in international waters. So you know, 272 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:52.360 there's always that fear there. 273 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:59.519 We have right now a part of about thirty whales 274 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:04.519 which are frolicking off of Cape cod, and that particular 275 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:09.039 species of whale only has about three hundred and fifty worldwide. 276 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.039 So there's been some cautions sent out on the last 277 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:14.720 day or so. According to the local newscast for anybody 278 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:17.240 who's out there on the water, particularly in the Cape 279 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:21.319 Cod Canal, to go no faster than ten knots, So 280 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.480 they don't, you know, run in and run their boats 281 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:28.920 and hurt someone. What is the estimate of the population 282 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:34.039 of great white sharks worldwide or North America? Does anyone 283 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:39.319 have their arms around how many of these beautiful fish 284 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:40.720 exist in our world? 285 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:43.240 Not? 286 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:44.720 Really. 287 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.599 There's some estimates that restarch To or Atlantic White Shark 288 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.240 Conservancy estimated in a study that there might be as 289 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.720 many as eight hundred individuals that have visited Cape Cod 290 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:01.680 in the last several years. Other areas, it seems like 291 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:03.920 most areas of world where there have been estimates, it 292 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:07.000 seems to be the number like up the Luck Australia 293 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:09.759 or New Zealand. The numbers seem to hover around a 294 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:14.559 thousand in various different locations. But in terms of the 295 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.519 total population size, that doesn't mean that's as many sharks 296 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.880 in one single time. That just needs like kind of 297 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:21.599 the whole population size. 298 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:24.039 I know that I believe it's out of woods hole 299 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:26.960 here down on Cape Cod. I believe that they were 300 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.799 able to get out and actually tag these sharks and 301 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:35.960 follow them. What their their migration pattern is and they 302 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:40.119 actually can almost name them. That's that's the how close 303 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:44.160 the research is that the relationships that develop between the 304 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:48.039 researches and the sharks. I'm sure it's something similar to 305 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:52.319 that where you are up in Canada. Yeah. 306 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:55.839 Absolutely, we're trying to monitor, you know, through our research 307 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:59.119 and ecotourism. We're trying to get a handle on what 308 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:04.319 kind of the the population statuses and if it's stable, increasing, decreasing, 309 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:08.359 and also identify just areas that are important for these sharks, 310 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:10.400 because no one you have to protect the sharks, but 311 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:12.960 also the habitats are important. To do this, we try 312 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:16.799 to identify the individuals. We track the individuals and so 313 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:19.440 we can see like where they're, the places they like 314 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:22.039 to go, how frequently they go there, and if they 315 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:23.400 return there from your year. 316 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:28.039 Does the hamislide? Just one final question we follow during 317 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:31.920 the summertime shar activity. I'm sure you have that that 318 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:35.400 app on your phone as well. What's the average life 319 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.119 expectancy of a great white shark, you know, in our 320 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:40.960 in our part of the world. Is it twenty thirty 321 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:43.240 years or less or more. 322 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.680 You're gonna be blown away? It's eighty years old, about 323 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.880 eighty years old to be their long lived species. That's 324 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:54.519 the thing is they only reach they only reach sexual maturity. 325 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:57.839 They only become adults when they're you know, close to thirty, 326 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:00.799 which is why you know. That means they don't reproduce 327 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:04.079 until they're in their thirties pretty much. So that's why 328 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:09.599 you know it doesn't take a lot of removals. If 329 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:12.319 you start pishing them out before they can reproduce, then 330 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:14.400 you know, can have detrimental impacts. 331 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:17.920 Great, well, look, doctor Hammerschlock, you have answered all my questions. 332 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:21.400 I thank you very much, President of Atlantic Shark Expeditions. 333 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:23.240 If there are some folks who are looking to visit you, 334 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:27.480 what's the website. 335 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:27.960 Well, yeah, we'd love that. We'd love to host you 336 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:31.319 on a case diving per science. It's Atlantic Shark e 337 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:34.640 XP dot com. Atlantic Shark exp dot com. 338 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:37.240 That's perfect. It makes it simple, easier than to spell 339 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:42.079 expeditions Atlantic Shark e XP all one word dot com. 340 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:44.720 Doctor Neil Hamishlock, thank you very much for your time tonight. 341 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:46.039 I really enjoyed our conversation. 342 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:48.680 Thank you, You're welcome. 343 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:50.480 We had the news coming up at the bottom of 344 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:51.960 the hour and after that we're going to talk with 345 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.880 a reporter from the Washington Post about whether or not 346 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:59.160 brown rice actually is healthier than white rice, and the 347 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:02.400 way the question has been posed, I suspect we may 348 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:04.599 have a surprise for an answer. We'll find out on 349 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.079 the other side of the news at the bottom of 350 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:06.440 the hour. 351 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:12.920 It's night signed Boston's News Radio. 352 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:18.920 All right, we are delighted to welcome from the Washington 353 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.160 Post reporter by the name of Teddy and then a 354 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.559 mena bar. Have I gotten that name anywhere close close 355 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:27.400 to correct? Teddy? 356 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:28.599 Yeah? 357 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:32.240 Dead on, it's really fanatic having all right. 358 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.240 Well, thank you. The Teddy was pretty easy, that one 359 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:38.119 I got, uh, And you're right for the Post, and 360 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.799 we're going to talk about whether brown rice is actually 361 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:45.559 healthier than white rice. Is food your specialty or you're 362 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:50.200 a general assignment reporter and this investigative report is was 363 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:52.480 assigned to you or you came up with the idea? 364 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:59.039 Yeah, So I've been reporting on contaminants and foods, specifically 365 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:04.200 having that lead and arsenic and I reported this story 366 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:09.599 with Anahad O'Connor, who is our food and nutrition columnist 367 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:13.880 and reporter, And so that's how we tackled both sides 368 00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:18.240 of this question of you know, whether brown rice is 369 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:19.119 in fact healthier. 370 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:23.119 So I believe that the story that you wrote concluded 371 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:28.279 that brown rice has more arsenic than white rice, But 372 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:30.720 is it still the better choice? I think that was 373 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:31.440 the headline. 374 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:33.720 Yeah. 375 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:41.799 Yes, there are some influencers on Instagram or TikTok who 376 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:47.119 you know, raised concerns about the level of arsenic in 377 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:50.759 brown rice. And it is true that brown rice, because 378 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:54.599 it has that brand, that outer layer, it does have 379 00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:59.480 higher levels of arsenic than white rice. But you know, 380 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.279 really the folks we spoke with, so the researchers who 381 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:07.079 really study rice and rice patties and heavy metal contamination, 382 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:10.039 you know, they just said that for the average adult, 383 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:13.359 you would need to eat an excessive amount of brown 384 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.319 rice for this to be a concern. The one caveat 385 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:18.640 here that I do just want to stress is, you 386 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.480 know where the attention is. It is for babies and 387 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:27.200 toddlers who you know, rice based toddler food can you know, 388 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:30.000 really be kind of the first foods a small child 389 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:33.000 might be eating, And you just want to be conscious of, 390 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.160 you know, diversifying the types of grains that you're feeding 391 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:39.279 a small kid because they can be more, you know, 392 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:42.759 at risk of you know, having you know, too much 393 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:44.480 arsenic because they're smaller. 394 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.759 Okay, So my question is when we think about arsenic, 395 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:52.880 we think that arsenic is a poison like hemlock. How 396 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:58.440 does a arsenic find its way into rice, whether it's 397 00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:01.839 brown or white? Is this just a function of nature? 398 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.480 Yeah, this is This is I think the most fascinating 399 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:12.480 part of the reporting. So arsenic is particularly good at 400 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:16.000 getting into rice grain because of how we grow rice, 401 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:22.079