WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:01.639 He'll be don't be bad. 2 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.560 Hey, everybody, welcome to Games Mornings with Me Jeff Grab 3 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:17.719 your host from giant bomb dot com. 4 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:19.280 Thank you for tuning in. 5 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:22.160 In this episode, we're going to be talking about accessories 6 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:25.000 that might break your switch to and another tech giant 7 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:28.120 finds that it's too hot in the video game kitchen. 8 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:30.000 It's gonna be a good one because we have jan 9 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:32.640 A Choa on the show. Jan how are you doing. 10 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:34.320 I'm in the process of moving. 11 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:39.280 I'm hoping to tear down a whole room today and 12 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:40.759 we'll see if I'm successful. 13 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:43.439 Well, once we get done here, yeah, you go to 14 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:45.280 you just go to town. What else do we have 15 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:45.840 to do today? 16 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:47.399 Club? 17 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:49.320 Sure? Okay? 18 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:51.399 Yeah, and then I got to make sure some stuff 19 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:52.840 publishes at the right time. 20 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:57.880 Right, tell you what I listen. When I moved here 21 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:00.840 from Colorado, it was a big move, hmm. I moved 22 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.280 into this house. I was like, I never want to 23 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.200 move again. I never want to leave this house. I 24 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:10.680 don't care whatever, Ohio, whatever, I never want to move 25 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:14.599 ever again. To the point where even the idea of 26 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:17.120 you moving is stressing stressing me out. 27 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:19.879 Jane, I appreciate it that much. 28 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:24.640 I also appreciate the help grub I was coming through 29 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:28.519 because PayPal decided to hold all the money until twenty 30 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:31.159 one days from this past Sunday, and I needed to 31 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:34.120 desperately tell them please, no I need. 32 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:37.680 What the fuck? That's crazy? What hold the money? That's stupid? Okay, 33 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:38.359 well hope it. 34 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:42.000 Well's great. I've never had any complaints. 35 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:45.519 Perfect company, zero problems and yeah, no problem. Oh yeah, 36 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:47.680 that's that was the game mess organization. That's a tax 37 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:50.920 right off. Don't worry about it. I appreciate that absolutely, 38 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:55.000 But yeah, hey, you get that move done. It's it's like, 39 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:57.400 is it something that you have to get all done 40 00:01:57.480 --> 00:01:59.400 in like a weekend or could you Is it like 41 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:00.000 one of those. 42 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:02.079 Moves where you're like you have a couple of weeks. 43 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:04.640 To slowly do things over time. It's you're you're kind 44 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:06.319 of shaking back and forth a little bit here. 45 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:14.199 What we could but then uh, the part of the 46 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:19.439 powers involved wanna get it done ashap. Yeah. Yeah, so 47 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.759 hoping to get everything done since I'm taking Thursday and 48 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:25.919 Friday off and then I'll have the weekend to like 49 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:29.520 patch up, miscalate, learn how to patch up holes, and 50 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:30.800 then patch up holes. 51 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:34.360 It's it's it's uh easier than you think. But also 52 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.639 it's the problem. Okay, patching up the holes is fine, 53 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:40.560 getting like the paint to match. If anyone cares about that, 54 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:42.639 that's the real trick. That's where I'm like, I don't 55 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:43.639 actually care about that. 56 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:48.960 I'm almost resigned to just giving up the security deposit 57 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:49.560 at this point. 58 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:51.400 Yeah, no, I know what you mean. 59 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:55.759 Absolutely all right, we got things to get into, so 60 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.879 let's explain ourselves. Go to giant bomb dot com slash join, 61 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:01.960 become a member. It helps us out. It helps us 62 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.199 when we have to move house and things like that. 63 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.000 It really is the thing that makes this whole thing 64 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:09.439 go round. 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As far as this 85 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:07.520 show goes most weekdays, I Jeff Grubb will help piece 86 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:10.960 your gaming life back together. That includes breaking news and 87 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.479 maybe even some of our own original reporting. For all 88 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:16.480 these topics, I'll get the input of a bona fide 89 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.720 expert who will make me look smart. If you were 90 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.639 watching live on twitch welcome, You can always listen to 91 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:24.279 the show later on podcast feeds by searching for Game 92 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:29.240 Mess Mornings or find the RSS feed on GiantBomb dot com. 93 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:31.439 You could also catch the show later on YouTube. 94 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:33.639 Hello YouTube. 95 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:35.279 All right, we have a lot to get into, so 96 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:38.959 let's start the Morning Mess with d Brand is sending 97 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:44.240 improved switch to grips to all customers after spectacularly terrible 98 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.199 response to detaching claims. 99 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:50.560 This is from Chris Golling at VGC Peripheral Excuse me. 100 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:54.279 Peripheral manufacturer D Brand has provided customers with an update 101 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:58.600 on its ongoing switch to kill switch saga, conceding that 102 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:03.160 its initial response was spectacularly terrible. It's also ironic Jam 103 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:06.759 that the name is kill switch and it's killing switches. 104 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:09.560 Earlier this week, the company responded to users who were 105 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:11.519 claiming that it's kill switch case for the switch to 106 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.680 makes it much easier to accidentally detach the joy Cons. 107 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.000 After initially explaining the reason for this was because its 108 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:22.399 Joycon grips fill a gap deliberately created by Nintendo to 109 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.480 make detaching the joy Cons harder, D Brand then took 110 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.439 to Reddit to state that nobody routinely holds their switch 111 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:32.120 to like this and suggest that some players were actively 112 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:36.040 trying to make it happen. And I could see like 113 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:37.800 where they're coming from a little bit on that, because 114 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:39.600 it's like all the videos that were on redda Jam 115 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:43.519 were off people trying to like videotape themselves doing it, 116 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:48.040 so they were creating the optimal circumstances for the thing 117 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.360 to actually fall apart, but that does not mean that 118 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:53.959 no one holds it that way, which is basically what 119 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:57.519 D Brand said to them, And everyone was like, wait, what, 120 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.600 you can't blame us, And the people were right that 121 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:04.000 this thing trying to like get in between the gap 122 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:08.240 that Nintendo like purposely put there between the JOYCN and 123 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:11.160 the system itself is the real reason, because there's a 124 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:13.560 magnetic field there and any sort of disruption is probably 125 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:15.439 going to weaken that a little bit and make it 126 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:19.560 that much simpler for the thing to fall apart. But now, 127 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:21.480 in a new post on the d brand Reddit page, 128 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.759 the company has pledged we're fixing it and told customers 129 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:28.879 that in its previous statement was unacceptable. After reading through 130 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.600 your feedback, it's quite clear that our post was spectacularly 131 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.079 terrible response to the issue at hand. Some of you 132 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:38.319 expressed that opinion in a perfectly reasonable way. Others have 133 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:42.120 expressed it with literal death threats. That's usually happens too. 134 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.160 We're not clear on how this went from a problem 135 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.160 we need to address to this is the worst company 136 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.360 to ever exist, but we acknowledge that every complaint we've 137 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.560 received is underpinned by a problem that we alone are 138 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:52.600 responsible for solving. 139 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:54.920 So jan they're going to send out. 140 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:59.480 New kill switch grips that like to everyone who probably 141 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:01.040 like goes to the website says hey, I want a 142 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.879 new one that has an improved design that will no 143 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:08.720 longer have this issue, I suppose. And it's like you 144 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:11.759 probably could have predicted we would end up at this point, right, 145 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:14.920 So it's always like, why do the song and dance 146 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:17.480 and distract and just make it worse for yourself in 147 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:18.160 the first place. 148 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:20.519 It's the same story over and over, right. 149 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.879 Yeah, I gotta imagine it's especially hard to be a 150 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:32.120 peripheral or third party console accessory manufacturer or place because 151 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:34.720 of all the miscellaneous things that people are going to do. 152 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:40.560 The messaging initially kind kind of funky and not necessarily 153 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:42.920 putting y'all in the best light. But I guess good 154 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:47.759 on them for wanting to make good and replacing them. Also, 155 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:51.120 I got a shout out grub. I love the people 156 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:54.879 that are out there purposely trying to break their switch 157 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:57.279 tos or like pushing it to its limits. 158 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:01.600 Yeah, two three weeks after it's long, h I mean, 159 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:03.439 people are clearly just bored. 160 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.759 You know, I like Mario Kart World a lot, but 161 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:09.600 for some people it's like, well, I played Mario Kart World, 162 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:11.600 now it's time to like get the next thing. And 163 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.439 then you know, Donkey Kong's not here yet, So it 164 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:18.000 is we're clearly in that weird phase of I spend 165 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:19.360 a lot of money on this thing. I don't feel 166 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:21.879 like I got my money's worth yet, so I am 167 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:24.360 going to be annoyed. It's more annoyed about everything than 168 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:26.519 I otherwise would be. And that doesn't mean a lot 169 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.839 of these issues aren't real. Like I think we might 170 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:31.639 have talked about the screen yesterday. Maybe we didn't talk 171 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.320 about the screen yesterday on the BombCast, But the response 172 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.759 time for the pixels to change from one color to 173 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:40.519 another from black and white, I actually. 174 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:42.080 Don't even know what tests most of these people are doing. 175 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.240 There's like a common response time test jan four pixels 176 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.200 on LCD that I think it's like from brown to 177 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:50.320 gray or something like that. I can't remember the exec 178 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.159 he tells everybody, But the response time on the switch 179 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:56.519 to screen is pretty bad. Now do you notice that 180 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:59.799 that's going to be a big question for a lot 181 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:03.720 of people, it's like, actually, probably not. Now, in some 182 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.240 certain two D games that move fast, it's going to 183 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:08.879 be more noticeable if you're looking at the background. I think, so, 184 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:12.600 really this is a problem for like in Super Mario Brothers, 185 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:14.320 I played that, I didn't really notice. 186 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:16.919 I tried to go back and really look for it, 187 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:17.559 and it's like. 188 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:22.559 Yes, if a blue background sky is here and then 189 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.519 a like the black pixel outline of a you know, 190 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:30.120 question mark block is there and they're moving laterally at 191 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:33.799 high speeds, I do see the tiniest bit of ghosting. 192 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:35.960 I had to look for it, and I had to 193 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:40.519 super duper pay attention to it. But that, you know, 194 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:43.320 does that mean it's acceptable. No, I'm obviously this screen 195 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:44.840 is not as good as the OLED screen was. I 196 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:46.679 wish we had the o LED screen on here. Nintendo 197 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:50.399 should make a better version of this. At the same time, 198 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:52.879 the response to it, I think has just kind of 199 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:55.080 been crazy. It's been out of proportion, and that's just 200 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:57.360 because we're in this weird phase where every little thing 201 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.200 is going to hurt a little bit more again because 202 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:00.799 everyone's spent a lot of money right. 203 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:03.840 Right, and like you mentioned, Greb, a lot of people 204 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:06.960 may have already checked out of Mario Kart World, and 205 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:07.879 they're waiting. 206 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:08.480 For that next big thing. 207 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:10.759 And the next big thing is for a lot of 208 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:14.200 people that only play first party Nintendo games, aren't interested 209 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:17.600 in checking out any indie titles, or they've already checked 210 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:20.120 out Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom. 211 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:21.559 They're gonna be picking knits. 212 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:22.639 Yep. 213 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:23.240 I'm kind of. 214 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:26.559 Thankful that I have normy eyeballs where most of the 215 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:29.279 time I'm not able to like super discern it unless 216 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:30.600 like it's it's very dramatic. 217 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:33.639 But yeah, I don't. 218 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:35.600 Want to say switch switch to fatigue is set in 219 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:38.200 for some people, but it feels like people have lived 220 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.360 out a full console cycle already within this month. 221 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:42.759 Yep. Yeah. 222 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.240 And people point out the screens response time is worse 223 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:47.639 than the Switch one Switch One's original launch. 224 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:48.639 LCD, which is also true. 225 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.639 Yes, it's uh in terms of the response time. I 226 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:54.559 think the image quality better. Like the people are just 227 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:56.039 like flat out sad the screen is worse than the 228 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.559 first gen eh. I think the way games look on 229 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.360 their one, the ones I'm planning, how playing a lot 230 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:03.840 of Mario Kart, a lot of the GameCube games. They 231 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:05.480 all that stuff looks really good on there for the 232 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:07.440 most part. Now, again, not as good as the O 233 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.120 lead overall for sure, like by a long shot, but 234 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:14.519 it's you know, and it's not great in some other ways, 235 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:16.519 but in terms of the way most stuff looks on there, 236 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:17.759 I'm pretty happy with it. 237 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:18.080 Yeah. 238 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:18.879 And then this. 239 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:20.480 Ghost you know, of course, you just you spend a 240 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:21.360 lot of money on something you. 241 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:23.720 Wanted to be perfect, and this is not perfect. 242 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:27.120 For an LCD screen though grub I will give it 243 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:29.759 a pass, and especially if you kind of have to 244 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:34.559 go pixel hunting to find the where the screen falls short. 245 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:36.720 Yeah, people are slowing it down with like one hundred 246 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:38.919 and twenty frames per second cameras. 247 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:40.320 And the eyeballs can't really do that. 248 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:41.480 Yeah. 249 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:42.960 I mean, you know, some people are going to be 250 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.320 more sensitive, but I think the vast majority of people, 251 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.960 especially in the games they're playing, are likely not going 252 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.840 to notice. Apparently, those Super Mario World looks you see 253 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:54.960 the ghosting, maybe they're a little bit easier. 254 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.039 I don't know. I think even there people are talking 255 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:58.720 about slowing it down to be able to see it. 256 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:00.720 All right. 257 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.559 Yeah, sorry, as this de brand case goes, it's just 258 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:08.799 like that's gamers are so sensitive and savvy that you 259 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.159 can never do the hey you're doing it wrong, Like 260 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.000 you have to like just accept that, hey, they're mad 261 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:15.639 about something. 262 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:17.919 You know, the customer is always right. Blah blah blah, 263 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:18.799 it's you know whatever. 264 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:23.080 Not not really this situation that these companies should approach 265 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:26.200 these things with right, But you're never gonna win an 266 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:29.879 argument with the customer, and especially when it's a group 267 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.360 of gamers, just don't even try. Don't don't go into 268 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.120 the reddit thread and say, no, one's holding it that way, 269 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.519 crazy thing to do. So the fact that that backfired 270 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:42.480 on them not surprising. The fact that they ended up 271 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:43.679 having to do the thing where it's like we're going 272 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:45.720 to actually make a better product and send it to 273 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:47.720 you for free also not surprising. 274 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:50.240 Yeah, I mean also grub Like, sure, there are people 275 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:54.480 trying to like purposely hold the switch to in a 276 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.600 specific way to kind of compromise the integrity of like 277 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:04.480 those debrand switch to grips, but people have different hands. 278 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:09.000 It can also factor into an accessibility issue where the 279 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:11.360 switch to joy cons the official ones are built in 280 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:15.039 a certain way to be able to you know, continue 281 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.840 to latch onto the switch to completely find where these 282 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:20.159 third party. 283 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:24.240 Joy cons may not have factored that into. 284 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:27.519 The production, right, And it's you know, early days and 285 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:30.399 a lot of these things like yeah, we're based on 286 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.600 CAD drawings and you know models, three D printed models 287 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:38.840 and stuff like that, and never really got much real 288 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:42.639 world use testing. And that's happening now that people are 289 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:45.799 getting these things on day one and here we are, 290 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.799 all right, Netflix backs even further away from gaming, losing 291 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.399 twenty titles next month. This comes from John Walker at Kotaku. 292 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:59.399 It looks like Netflix is taking another huge step backwards 293 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:03.000 from its infol in video games. It's been announced that 294 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.000 a whopping twenty games are being removed from the service, 295 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:10.240 including big names like Hades and even Netflix exclusives like 296 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:13.240 Monument Valley three. It's fair to say we didn't view 297 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.399 Netflix as move into gaming with long term optimism. The 298 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.120 video games Streaming Services intention, or the video streaming services 299 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.960 intention to stream games two was announced in the rubble 300 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:26.720 of Google's abysmal attempt at Stadia. While the majority of 301 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:30.080 its offerings, well, the majority of its offerings is, though 302 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.360 often excellent, went for a long time confined to mobile devices, 303 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:36.759 and again that's Netflix. There clearly the company had big intentions, 304 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:40.159 at one point setting up a Triple A studio, Team Blue, 305 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.960 with names like jack O'sunny, formerly a Blizzard, Joseph Staton, 306 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.039 known for his work on Halo and God of War 307 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.519 art director Rafael Grissetti. However, that didn't survive for long, 308 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.440 with the studio closing late last year having not released anything, 309 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:57.120 not even a potential games name. It was only this 310 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.360 time last year that Netflix declared it was developing an 311 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:02.480 enormous eighty new games to be added to the ninety 312 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:05.080 six already hosted by the service. And it's important to 313 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.799 note that these there are some all time classics among 314 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.879 what's already there, Gta, San Andreas, Oxen, Free, Dead Cells, 315 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:15.759 Kentucky Rod Zero. These are games people want to play. However, 316 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:18.240 it's not known that their numbers are in fact going 317 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:19.960 to drop by or it's now known that their numbers 318 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:21.440 are going to drop by twenty and that's the total 319 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:25.279 number of games there. The games include stuff like Battleship, 320 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:30.799 Breid Anniversary Edition, Carmen San Diego, Death's Door, Ghost Detective Hades, 321 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:36.120 Gatana Zero, Let's See Here, SpongeBob, babble Puff. 322 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:38.320 Fun What I didn't know that. I want to check that. 323 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:41.120 Oh and in the two Golden Idol games were also 324 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:42.559 exclusive to Netflix. 325 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:44.240 So Jam, this probably means a couple of things. 326 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:47.960 Yeah, all these games that were previously exclusive to Netflix 327 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:51.000 are probably going to pop up in app stores for 328 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.039 you to just buy and own. Some of these other 329 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:56.320 ones might go back to being free to play games 330 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.519 with a lot of weird monetization because Netflix was one 331 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:00.399 of those ones that was. 332 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:02.039 Like helping these developers avoid that. 333 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.039 Now most a lot of these games are just traditional 334 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:06.159 games that you buy as products and stuff like that, 335 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:08.639 So maybe that won't happen across the board obviously. 336 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:10.440 Haiti's Katana zero, that's not a risk. 337 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:17.120 Let's talk about the Netflix side of it first. No 338 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:19.879 surprise again, feels like that's we say that to a 339 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:21.960 lot of these stories, like we could have predicted we'd 340 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.879 end up here. With Netflix's efforts in video games, right. 341 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.159 Yeah, one hundred percent grub it kind of feels like 342 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:32.120 Google's attempts and getting into games with Stadia of like, 343 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:35.440 all right, go ahead and try, but we kind of 344 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.360 know in a couple months to a couple of years 345 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.399 you'll back off of this. It's it's very interesting to see, though, 346 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:43.279 Grub because I had a couple of friends applied for 347 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:53.519 Netflix production jobs, specifically for their games centered jobs, a 348 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:57.279 couple months ago, so it's kind of interesting to see 349 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:01.120 how fast it's moving with Netflix backing away from that 350 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:05.400 process altogether. But again, it's not surprising, especially when Netflix 351 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:11.519 already backs away from shows, which is what they're known for, shows, movies, 352 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:17.039 canceling new seasons of shows, canceling sequels, that it wasn't 353 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:21.720 a big surprise that something like games, which takes exponentially 354 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.240 longer than making a new season of television depending on 355 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.039 the show, of course, they back away from those efforts. 356 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.720 Yes, it's you know, the lesson learned by these tech 357 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:38.039 giants over and over again is it's not just another 358 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:42.480 entertainment medium, video games. It is all the other entertainment 359 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:46.960 mediums put together into one. And so when you go 360 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.359 from like understanding how to make the film in the 361 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:53.279 movies and you know, the television shows and the film, 362 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:55.599 and you like, okay, well we can do this, so 363 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:57.559 we could do games and so one now you could 364 00:17:57.559 --> 00:17:59.519 do a part of games. Now you just need to 365 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.240 hire ten thousand other people to do everything else. Yeah, 366 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:06.480 and it's like, that's that's definitely the lesson Google learned 367 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:09.440 right where it was, Hey, we are this company, this 368 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:11.880 big massive company on an Amazon even for this big 369 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:14.119 massive company has a lot of people, and it's like, 370 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:16.279 let's go get into games, like we could do it 371 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:17.920 like any of these other companies for sure. And then 372 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:19.640 it's like, well, did you look at how many people 373 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:23.240 just you be soft employees to make games? Right, Like 374 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:25.400 that's they you know they've employed. And sure it's a 375 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:28.079 fraction of what you are globally, but I bet it's 376 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:32.480 several orders of magnitude larger than any one specific thing 377 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:35.640 that you're working on, including your you're like your hardware 378 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:40.039 or your search engine Google, Like, I bet it's several 379 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.480 more people are like or several thousand more people are 380 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.119 working on video games that you be soft than are 381 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:49.039 on your search engine. That makes you a trillion dollar company. 382 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:52.480 So when you start working backward from that, like oh, 383 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:55.200 we're going need to hire up this massive army of 384 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.640 people to make video games, yeah, it quickly becomes like, oh, 385 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:00.799 this isn't just not the business we thought it was, 386 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:02.279 and we need to get out of here. 387 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:04.319 Now. 388 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:07.920 Netflix's approach did seem a little bit more timid. They 389 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:10.680 were dipping the toe in and being like, hey, let's 390 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:13.839 just see if we can grow this organically over time. 391 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:16.599 But then let's talk about the other side of it, now, Jam, 392 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:18.480 did you ever play a Netflix game? 393 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:19.880 I played a couple here and there. 394 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:23.960 Well, the problem was specifically, the one game that I 395 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.759 for sure played was Point P and for folks that 396 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:29.039 don't remember, I was like the first one, right, is 397 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:31.400 one of the first Netflix games, Grub. It's like a 398 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:34.039 kind of like a hop and bop vertical game. You're 399 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:37.720 just getting as high as you can, just bouncing around. 400 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:43.720 But other than that, into the Breach, I checked out. 401 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:45.920