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Speaker 1: Hey, good morning sports cards fans, and welcome to Hobby

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Hotline on four Collectors. My name is Dan. I am

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joined by two of my favorite guys in the entire hobby.

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I'm so excited about this. We got a Orlando good

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morning sir, How are.

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Speaker 2: You good morning? Dan? Doing great? And Uncle Rich we got.

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Speaker 1: We got Uncle Ridge down there in bal Meat, Texas.

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How are you Uncle Rich?

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Speaker 3: Cooler than you are? In book City.

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Speaker 1: We were at one hundred and four yesterday and then

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this massive thunderstorm comes in like it only lasted for

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like a half an hour, but there were trees knocked

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down and everything. It was crazy. And then it dropped

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to like the seventies. It literally went down like thirty degrees.

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But it's back up again, so we'll be all right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not used to this before we went on live.

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The young guys are.

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Speaker 1: No, here's a rarity. I'm the youngest guy on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so hard, I should say, are more.

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Speaker 1: Than That's a And I'm glad you brought that up

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because as as our chat fills up a little bit,

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and we'll visit with the chat in a second. It's

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it's July fourth, and I volunteered to do this show.

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John John was looking for a host, and I said,

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I'll do July fourth. I got stuff going on later

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in the day, but eleven o'clock in the morning, I

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had nothing to do, and I'm excited about this. America

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two fifty. I'm old enough. We're both ra old enough.

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America two hundred, nineteen seventy six. I was twelve years

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old and my folks took us in from Long Island

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to New York to see the tall ships, and it

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was an experience. I still remember it, and it was,

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you know, it was a big deal. Seventeen seventy six,

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nineteen seventy six. It was a big deal. And so

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what I'd like to do is start off the show.

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I'll say hello to the chat, but also to talk

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about some fun stuff before we get into the not

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so fun stuff. We've got. We got some July fourth

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memories because baseball and July fourth are interconnected, and we'll

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get to some of the big ones. But they used

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to play double headers every July fourth. They don't do

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that anymore. I wish they did, and affect some teams

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are off on July fourth, depending upon what day of

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the week it is. Of course, everybody's going to play today.

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But so anyway, let me just say hello over to

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the chat and we'll come back. We'll talk about some

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July fourth stuff we've got. Mad City Brew was first

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in here. Good morning, sir Scott. How are you? Stuke

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was in the was in the Carlos live stream last

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night until until the bitter end. Vintage card collector for

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three three. Happy birthday to America indeed, July fourth, Always

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love this day. Good morning to everyone, Rick, Rick oz

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Bunn Okay, not familiar, but hello sir, Peter B. Of course,

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how are you, sir? Thank you Peter B for doing

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that VR for me. I think you really nailed it

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on that one. Jim at the Bank, Hello, Jim Abe

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in Vegas, Good morning, happy happy two fifty exactly. That

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is Ruben Sneyder Confluence Sports Card. Zach Pierce again another

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another guy who was in Carlos till late last night. Indeed,

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great group. Very happy to have these two gentlemen with

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me today. Mike Jay Hawker, Good morning and happy fourth

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doctor Larry, how are you, sir? Thank you for your

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wonderful comments on my newest video. Whoa Eric? Eric's making

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the joke there we go. See we we've already made

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the joke. So Eric, you're you're you're behind the times

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here as you uh tall trips, it's tall ships in

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Newport and seventy six. Yeah, we had it down in

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South Street Seaport in Manhattan. But uh uh uh there

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he is the Rickey cards specialists and uh happy to

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see you this morning, sir. Uh collect Washington and Lincoln cards. Yeah,

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I don't know. I got an important I got an

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important person in uh General Sherman won the won the

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Civil War for us. If you know the Civil War,

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you know. Good morning, Philly, Joe. How are you? Doctor

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Gitlan campedon Colorado with his future wife? There you go,

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not sdy, doctor, I've met you. I don't think you're

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that Oh it's cold time, so I haven't stopped talking.

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We're five minutes in Orlando before I bring up some

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some photographs of from baseball in July fourth. Tell me

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about July fourth.

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Speaker 2: For you, Well, I mean July fourth doesn't mean a lot,

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because I celebrate July fourth every single day being here

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in America. As a person I was born in Cuba

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or born into unfortunately the socialists or communism, you know,

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coming to this country was the greatest thing that ever

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happened to me. So I celebrate every single day that

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I'm in this country because it is the greatest country

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in the world and I've experienced you know what, see free.

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So to me, you know, July fourth is a day,

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but every single day that I'm in the United States

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is a gift. And you know, I could quickly share

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my story if you want to hear it, but you know,

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give me a few minutes and I'll talk a little

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bit about it. You know, I was born in Cuba.

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I came here when I was four years old. My

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family was pretty well to do family. Both my parents

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had master's degree. My dad was the senior vice president

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at the Bank of Havana. You know, we were in Cuba,

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you know, until nineteen sixty, right after Fidel came in.

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So he was going to be thrown in jail basically,

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just for disagreeing with the Communist government. And we had

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to come to this country. And we came to this country.

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We were coming to Miami, and in those days you

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had to have a sponsor. My grandfather had come earlier.

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two groceries and the government took them away, and you know,

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made up a government grocery. So he came to Miami

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and then he was got the visa to be our

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sponsor to bring us in. And because that's the only way,

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they didn't give you any handouts, you had to have

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somebody that would be able to support you. So when

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we got to the airport, you know, and I was

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four years my sister was three, my other sister was

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six months old, they literally found out that we were

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not you know, we were with Battista. So they took

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away everything we had, all our luggage, all our clothes,

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my mother's wedding ring, everything. Instead of sending us to Miami,

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they sent us out to Honduras. And you know, eventually

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we were able to get to Miami and live a

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great life here. But you know, what you hear about

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communism is all true. They you know, they promise everything

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and they don't give anything. And you know, I my dad,

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my parents and grandparents always told me the story and

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I've gone back and read even though I was a

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young kid. You know, they promised everything, Dan, you know,

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everything you hear today. The free healthcare, the free schools,

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the free you know, government handouts, the government grocery stores.

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All of that was promised. And yeah, you have free education,

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but there's no job to take after your you get

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your education. You know, doctors and teachers there today are

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making fifteen to twenty dollars a month, and that's a month,

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five dollars a week working full time. The hospitals there's

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nothing there. There's no medicine. All you know, gone to crap.

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the hospital. They don't have any anything there. The free

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food they promised, they give you what's called the Livetta,

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which is a little book that tells you what you

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can get every month. And basically what you get is

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nothing anymore. You have to stand in line to get

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a piece of bread and some rice. That's all there

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is in these grocery stores. When they tell you that,

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you know what they did was they limited the capitalism.

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government took it away. The government took away all business,

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that had money, they were taxed or at taxed so

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much that eventually, you know, because everybody's supposed to be

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equal in socialists, in communist government, everybody's supposed to be equal,

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what ends up is everybody's equally poor. And at the end,

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you know, they don't have enough money to take from

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the rich because either the rich came to Miami or

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they left, or they became poor. And when it gets

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to a point that just they're desperate. And then what

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they end up doing is they have what they call

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the go mite, the committee, which is what they do

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is they have a few communist people in your block

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that are the people that are like the snitches. So

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they will tell the government just to get a little

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more food, a little more stuff. They tell the government

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what's going on, who's talking bad about the government. You know,

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who's going doing things in the black market, who's doing

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stuff illegally, if you're putting your air conditioner on, if

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you have an air conditioner, but if you're turning it

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on when you can't, not supposed to those types of things.

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are today. All the infrastructure is gone, it's not been modernized,

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in you know years, the same thing happened in Venezuela,

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the richest country, where the richest country in South America

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became the poorest country. Cuba, which was one of the

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richest countries in the area, with beautiful scene. They had

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all the latest cars back in these which they still

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have today, all those cars, and you know the people

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that drive those are government employees, no private but you

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have a little business which they allow. Now the government

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takes most of that money. And basically, you know, it's

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the poorest country in the world. People are starving. The

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only people that have money that are the government. And

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most of the Cubans that came to Miami. We made Miami.

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We made Miami the biggest and best international city in

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the world. And that's because of all of the top

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business equal and the smartest people in Cuba left once

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they realized what was going on. So that's why I

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say that I celebrate your life for every single day

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because to me, you know, this is the best country.

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people that have money or make money are the people

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that are in the government, and everybody else is the same.

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They're all poor. So it's the best country in the world.

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I appreciate every single day that I came here. You know,

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since my family came and we had no money, my

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moms didn't throw anything away. That's why I saved. She

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saved all my baseball cards and that's what got me

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back into baseball. And you know, going to the baseball

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field talking Cuba, and I know I'm talking a lot,

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but it's just to me. This is I can't tell

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you how great this country is. And those people that

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live in America all their life don't realize how country is.

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But you know, some of the greatest players were in

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Cuba and they came here, people like like Mini Minoso

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and Tony Perez. Later on you had players like Jose Canseco,

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Rafael Pobero and you know players even you know, my

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greatest thrill I think was watching Levon Hernandez win the

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World Series at the Marlins and say, you know, I

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love Miami because he was able to get out of

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Cuba along with his brother Orlando or El Duque. And

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you know, even today we have some of the greatest

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of Cuban players here with our oldest Chapman, you have

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Jordan Alvarez and players like that that are still playing

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in the majors, and that's Miguel Gonzalez.

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Speaker 1: Right, yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think my biggest story I think

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I'll tell is a player which was supposed to be

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one of the biggest superstars. Jose Fernandez. He died ten

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years ago. You remember a pitcher for the Martins, Jose

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her Netfertis, Yes, Fernandez. He died at twenty four years

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old and fourteen of voting on him. But he tried

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to leave Cuba three times, and he was caught every time,

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you know, in the rickety rafts that he had made,

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rafts that they would try to bring he'd come here

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in that way, and hundreds and thousands of poole died

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coming through that Gulf of Mexico stretch, you know. And

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that's not talking about the hundreds and thousands of pool

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that were shot and killed in a firing squad in

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Cuba because they were against the government. But the story

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on Jose Fernandez is he was caught the first two

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times that he was was trying to come to this

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country and brought back to Cuba. The third time he

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came and brought his mother here. And when he Unfortunately,

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on the way here his mother, they had a big

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storm and his mother fell off the boat and drowned.

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And he made it to this country, and he was

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so proud that see him every time that he played

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that he was one of the happiest guys. And then

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I was so excited just to be here knowing that,

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you know, he was free, even though he had lost

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his mom. And there's many stories out of one of

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your favorites, dan Is Lewis Taint like you say, Luis Tiante.

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Luis tian was another great player that came to this

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country from Cuba, and you know, he couldn't bring his

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dad there. He is, he couldn't bring his father, Loui

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tant Senior, who was a legend in Cuban baseball. But

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finally at the end of his career, he was able

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to bring his dad, and his dad literally threw out

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the first pitch and cried because he was able to

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see his son pitch and he was able to come

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to the United States for the first time. That's a

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lot why I'm so proud to be an American and

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why I'm so proud to be in the greatest country

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in the world, the United States.

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Speaker 1: It was in the seventy five World Series. I think

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it was Game six, actually, if I if I'm not

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mistaken that that lewis here's this Camel Deportivo throughout the

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first pitch and had come to this country for the

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first time in nineteen seventy five, and yet he played.

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This is a nineteen forty five baseball card, so you know,

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thirty years later he gets to come. I really really

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appreciate you telling that story, Orlando, and telling your own

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personal you know, your own personal experiences, and you know,

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real life experiences are are important to understand because you know,

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you can say all this stuff, but when you talk

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about your situation and being a four year old, you know,

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on a boat from Honduras, it really hits hard. And

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you know, it's one of those things that you know.

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I obviously the hobby loves you. I you know, we

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appreciate you every day for what you do for the hobby,

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but you know it's important to understand that they are

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backstories to everybody in the hobby, and yours is particularly compelling.

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So I really appreciate you sharing that list today. Uncle

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rich you you got an all car for that.

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Speaker 3: If you think I'm gonna top that.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, I grew up in New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: But okay, so when I was at that, one of

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the big July fourth is Addis, which is a which

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is a suburb of down basically at Addison Basic Arrestaurant,

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and what I mean by that is basically just a

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lot of places. Addis is one of the richesties of

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the world because they got collected attacks and they didn't

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have anybody living there. You talk about about having money

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to put away, they had money. But the thing was

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for the Beckett Building three. We could see kaboom on

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firework from the park and it became a party and

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it was really cool because you know, you know, we

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would gather outs, be a lot of so I'm that's

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kind of sort of hobby related where we were actually

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using the buildings, and we had somebody there to make

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sure because obviously it's the restroom. We made sure there

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was a way for we're just there, get to the

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restrooms and get in and get out. You know, we

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didn't want any roaming the building. But it was really

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when I got matters. Is it the backyard of where

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I live. You can watch in the fireworks from the backyard,

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so I don't go anywhere anymore.

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Speaker 2: You the own.

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Speaker 3: Downs outside is so many people come after about three

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o'clock you realize because otherwise you're gonna sit in traffic

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for hour, so you kind of sort of get get

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your day done. So I mean that's a minor downside,

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but being able in the fire. And I know you've

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got some special for video, so I'm not gonna top Orland.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I have one thing I want to show,

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which is one of the coolest things I own.

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Speaker 3: I think you've got a couple of cool views to

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talk about a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well we'll put up some baseball stuff,

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but first I want to show this. This doesn't mean

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anything to anybody, but it's one of the most important

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documents in my entire life. It's the ship manifest from

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the Lusitania on March tenth, nineteen twelve, and the fifteenth

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person listed here is my grandfather, James Jay Burns, who

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came over from Ireland on the Lusitania on Saint Patrick's

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Day is the day that they let him off of

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Ellis Island and he showed up to visit with his

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cousins and nobody was home. Because it was Saint Patrick's day,

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and he said he will, he would if he were

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alive today, would echo exactly what Orlando just said from

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a different standpoint of you know, different politics and different

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you know, life experiences. Back in Ireland, they were farmers,

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they had survived the famine. He was the younger, he

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was the oldest, and he came to this country and

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he said his entire life, lived to the age of eighty,

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that he absolutely loved this country and it was the

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best thing he ever did. And he went into World

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War One, became a sergeant, and received his citizenship on

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an army base in Greenville, South Carolina, and I believe

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nineteen eighteen, and lived his entire life as as a

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proud American. And my grandfather and you know, I love

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Ireland and I've been back five times now and I'm

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an Irish citizen. But you know, he said, best thing

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he ever did for himself. And his family used to

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send money back. And when we visited my great grandfather's

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gravestone and all the brothers and sisters, his name was

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at the bottom because he had paid for all of

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it from his earnings in America. So that's my July

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fourth story and not as good as Orlandos, but I

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like it.

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Speaker 3: But we did one question. When you go to Ireland,

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have you ever.

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Speaker 1: Collected I have looked for collectibles in Europe and it's

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hard to find. I think England is where you can

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find a lot of the tobacco stuff. But when I

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was in France, when I was in Italy, mostly everything

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you find is soccer and modern you know, TCG. Stuff.

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I did not look in Ireland, though, and that's a

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great question. I'm gonna I'll be back. I'm certainly going

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to go back again, and maybe I'll look for some stuff.

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So good. Thank thanks for putting that idea in my head,

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Uncle Rich. But July fourth in baseball, the first thing

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that comes to mind is July fourth, nineteen thirty nine,

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several weeks after lou Gerrig's you know als diagnosis Yankee State,

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he retired, and Yankee Stadium had lou Gary Day, which

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is of course known for his speech. But as Uncle

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Rich pointed out before we even got on to the

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to the video, we don't have the whole speech. We

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have the very end of it, and I wish we

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had video of the whole speech, which you know, if

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it were now we would have eight different videos of it.

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But Lou Grek, of course gave the Luckiest Man speech

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on July fourth, nineteen thirty nine, and it's one of

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the most famou this moment team baseball history. So any thoughts, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Just really it was one of the greatest and really

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art breaking speeches ever given. And I wish we would

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have the thing because the end of it alone is

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just it's heartwarming and art breaking at the same time.

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Speaker 1: So the other thing I have is this. Let me

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see if I can get this going. It's not it.

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I'm gonna share my screen here. Uh here it is

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and Dave Righetty.

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Speaker 4: On the threshold me gig history right here at Yankee Stadium,

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Kay said, the ket and the pitch he stuck give out.

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Bregetty has pitt stud O ridder Baghetty has pets stand

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o hdder Hey strike out Budge for the final out

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of the ballgame at the Yank Games pour on the field.

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Speaker 1: So yeah. July fourth, nineteen eighty three, Uh, Dave Righetty

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pitched a no hitter in the Yankee State against the

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Red Sox. Eat it Red Sox.

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Speaker 2: And Bogs, being the last strikeout crazy because then he

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played for the Yankees after that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, and the other thing, by the way, that's

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the radio broadcast because famed longtime Yankee anounce for Mel

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Allen was doing EV broadcast, yes, or for the cable network.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was before I missed G existed.

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I think it might have been Sports Channel. It was

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called back then, and they hired Melott for a couple

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of years in the early eighties, even though he was,

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you know, deep into his seventies at that point. And yes,

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mel Ott is the announcer, and I wish I had

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that audio. I thank you for pointing that, Uncle that out,

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Uncle Rich, But that was the video I found, So

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it's fun.

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Speaker 3: It's a great video to see. I was just pointing

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out when you're a Yankee fan for Mel.

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Speaker 1: Allen, of course. Uh, here's one pointed out July fourth,

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nineteen sixty one Speedster Harmon killerbrew in Minnesota, Twins first

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inside the park home run. There we go a couple

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of other July fourth things. I should add that when

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I read Phil Rosenswig's Great A Splendid Season book recently,

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he pointed out that in nineteen twelve there was a

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no hitter on July fourth, whitch by this gentleman, George Mullen.

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So I went and cheated, as Orlando calls it, and

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I researched, I came up. There have only been three

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no hitters on July fourth, pitched all two of them

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early time, pre war times and Davirghetty, and the other

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one is New York Giants hooks Wilsee through a no

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hitter on July fourth. I believe nineteen oh eight, nineteen

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twelve for Mullen, and nineteen eighty three, and those are

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the only no hitters that have ever been thrown on

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July fourth.

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Speaker 2: You no, George Mullen when you pictures in one season

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to win over twenty games and lose over twenty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He also was one of the pitchers in speaking

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of Cuba, when the Tigers won in I or down. Yeah,

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he went down.

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Speaker 2: To play against the Cuban team. Yeah, when the Tigers

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came down. And that was the first nineteen oh nine

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where the first Cuban baseball cards ever produced, and it

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had the Detroit Tigers team and a couple of the

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teams from Cuba.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to find that Mullen card someday, but

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probably going to be expensive. Yeah, Don points out July fourth,

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nineteen thirty fourth satur Pation Judge Gibson were the only

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battery of Hall of famers in Major League Baseball part

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of a no hitter. So I am technically wrong. If

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we're counting this particular event, then there would be another

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no hitter on July fourth, and it would be Satchel Paige. Yes.

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So the other one is, if you're a Mets fan,

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you remember July fourth, nineteen eighty five, you remember this

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Uncle Rich in Atlanta time.

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Speaker 3: That game lasted almost as long as the party last night.

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Speaker 1: Inside joke, but a good one. So Mets and Braves

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played just a regular July fourth game. It's a ninth game,

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and at the end of the game, the Braves have

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scheduled fireworks. So unfortunately, the game goes nineteen inning and

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is most famous for a home run in the sixteenth inning,

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down two runs, a down, one run, two outs, two strikes.

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A pitcher who was perhaps one of the worst hitters

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in the history of Major League Baseball, Rick Camp hits

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a home run to extend the game. But actually I

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think that was the eighteenth and then the nineteenth inning,

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Camp comes out to pitch and gives up three runs

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and the end of the game was sixteen to thirteen

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was the final score the Mets won. Keith Hernandez, although

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it was an ext trading game, hit for the cycle

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in the game and the game ended at four am

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local time, and as promised, the Atlanta Braves set off

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the fireworks for angering every It's funny because I have

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the police department got a whole bunch of after that.

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Speaker 3: What is going on? Are we under it?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because I, uh, it was the summertime,

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so I was working at a job and July fifth

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was not a holiday, so I had to go to bed.

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On July fourth, I watched the Mets game until I

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don't know eighth or ninth anying, went to bed and expected, oh, okay,

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you know whatever, and read about it in the newspaper

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the next day that you know, maybe I didn't even

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read about it in the newspaper. It may I heard about

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it because the newspapers printed early and they wouldn't have

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been printing at four o'clock in the morning. But I

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forget how I heard about it. But I was like what,

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And then of course you get highlights and stuff. It

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was not there was no internet in nineteen eighty five,

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but it was. It trickled the information trickled down. But

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I remember, I'm glad I didn't stay up because if

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I had stayed up, I probably would have gotten up

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two hours. That's the other July fourth thing. There's a

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few others, but uh, fun, fun discussion. We've taken up

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half the show with July fourth and USA USA. Certainly,

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good morning to Laura, how are you? And uh so

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we've got a couple of hobby discussions. As you can

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see from the rundown PSA National prices came out and

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I have a little graphic for it.

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00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: Crazy.

474
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I have thoughts. I should say I

475
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:31,359
will not be at the National this year. I made

476
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,240
decisions and I've talked about it multiple times, but I

477
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,880
don't know. Oh, this is the other one. That's of course,

478
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,599
I forgot this one. Nolan Ryan three his three thousands

479
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,559
strikeout was on July fourth, nineteen eighty Thank you Dom

480
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:50,079
for that information. I'd forgotten that one. So, yeah, good point.

481
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,720
The plastic's it's more expensive to get plastic than it

482
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:58,519
is to buy silver anyway, So I mean, I think

483
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:02,279
what they're doing is essentially saying, do not send us

484
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,519
your nineteen sixties common cards for your registry. If you're

485
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:08,920
going to get something greater international and you want it

486
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,720
to turn it around, it's got to be worth thousands

487
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:14,319
of dollars. And if you give us a card that's

488
00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:16,519
worth thousands of dollars, we will grade it, but we

489
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:20,400
will charge you a ridiculous amount of money. Two hundred

490
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,319
is the lowest, and you know you can go all

491
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,880
the way up to twelve, twelve thousand dollars to great

492
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,000
a card. I don't even have a card in my

493
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:40,160
collection worth twelve thousand dollars, you guys, I don't. Oh. Well,

494
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,000
you know, we've talked about the we talked a little

495
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,480
bit about the forms of governments there and their and

496
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:51,680
their you know, negative parts of certain forms of government.

497
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,200
But you know, capitalism does have does have issues because

498
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,279
capitalism has to be tied to morality, and in this

499
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:02,640
particular circumstance, putting a piece of cardboard into a piece

500
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,880
of plastic shouldn't cost twelve thousand dollars. Welcome.

501
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: I want to get into because that's actually a topic

502
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,319
coming up, and it actually ties with our second topics

503
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:15,920
tonight yep and recently in New Jersey where I grew

504
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,880
up and not too far from where Dan, a father's

505
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,759
son was robbed of somewhere, but depending on newspaper report,

506
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:26,279
one hundred or two hundred thousand dollars graded Pokemon cards

507
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:29,480
and twelve thousand dollars last year at the NFCC there

508
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,839
were several cars broken. I explained the last time I

509
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,400
was on why I think getting more badge and important.

510
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,480
But that's a different subject for a different day. But

511
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:42,319
he's asking about insurance when you're not getting shipped. PSA

512
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,200
has tons of PSA has tons of security, but if

513
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,480
somebody really wants to do something, don't get your card.

514
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,160
And so that's legitimate that they have to have after

515
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:56,079
they have your cards. And it's a very difficult set

516
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,279
because we don't you know, we want to be a

517
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:01,279
friendly hobby and yet we've spun so far out of

518
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:05,359
We have to have lots of security in almost every

519
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,839
show week. I know what the Dallas cards, show cameras everywhere,

520
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,559
there's tons of police. There's seven hundred tables and trust me,

521
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,000
there's a lot of both. Very it's very safe and

522
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:18,319
still happens that. We haven't had anybody walked out in

523
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:20,680
handcuffs for a while. There was a time where every

524
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,599
single show we were having people being walked out.

525
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:24,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, as far as they call the

526
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,160
assured value, really they just want to know the value

527
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,160
of your card, so that is to determine what they're

528
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,000
going to charge you for the card. You know, it's

529
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:34,279
more like the card value, a card ladder value. Now, yes,

530
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,519
if something happens and they damage it, you know, that's

531
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,200
the amount that they're going to pay you for it.

532
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,240
So you got to be careful that you don't undervalue it,

533
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,799
because there was a situation like that that I think

534
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:49,519
somebody said their card was valued twenty five thousand, but

535
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,799
it was actually valued fifty thousand, and then PSA ended

536
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,400
up even though the card was value fifty thousand, only

537
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,160
paying what they said the value was. So it's kind

538
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,680
of tied into the value of the card, not truly

539
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,640
the insurance, you know, because yes, you're gonna get the

540
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,599
card right there, either the same day or at the

541
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,799
end of the show. They're not gonna ship it.

542
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:12,839
Speaker 3: And by the way, it was twenty five or twenty

543
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,680
five thousand dollars the purse in the cards were, but

544
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:17,599
when he submitted them at a p event, he the

545
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,440
twelve thousand, five hundred, which brings up a different case

546
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:25,440
about should you actually declare your full value because PSA

547
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,240
will up charge you, which is a different subject for

548
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:30,400
a different day than I don't make it into. In

549
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,319
that case, PSA had a very legitimate case. He said

550
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,640
the cards we worth twelve five. They offered him twelve five.

551
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,240
I mean, I mean, to crime out loud.

552
00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:44,319
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah again, So if they're handling a card,

553
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:48,079
I'm trying to look at the maximum value of the

554
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:51,839
maximum issured value two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for

555
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,759
the for the twelve thousand dollars cards. So I mean,

556
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,680
they're supposed to, you know, they're supposed to be professionals.

557
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,960
They're supposed to be people who can handle this kind

558
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,039
of stuff. And I'll tell you they've got security. PSA

559
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:08,920
has security, no question about it, their own personal security

560
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,519
on site. And if they don't, then they don't, then

561
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:15,480
then you know they're committing negligence. But I don't know,

562
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,000
I just don't see this as as something that I mean,

563
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,319
I don't know, maybe they're insuring against their own incompetence

564
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,640
in a way, if they're able to, if they can't

565
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,440
handle a card, they shouldn't be doing what they what

566
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,440
they're doing. And as was said, I think with Zach said,

567
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,440
they're not shipping it, so what are they ensuring against?

568
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:41,319
And so twelve thousand dollars is just completely just completely absurd, crazy,

569
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,000
because I mean two hundred dollars is absurd for a

570
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:46,240
fifteen card.

571
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:50,119
Speaker 2: They're literally going to take around the same time to grade,

572
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,400
you know, a five hundred dollars card then one hundred

573
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,640
thousand dollars card, you know, and they're going to slab

574
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,000
it the same way, same plastic slab, the same flip.

575
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,480
There's no difference. But because of the so called value

576
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,279
of the card, you know, they get to give you

577
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,319
that massive tax I guess I don't.

578
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: Think that's into true. If you have a Wagner, in

579
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,359
a lot more time grading a Wagner a typical pokemart.

580
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,480
So you're you're basically right, but there but there are

581
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,160
delineations in that you will spend more time looking at

582
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,720
certain cards because you know that there's a lot more money.

583
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:23,599
Speaker 1: Plus p s.

584
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,279
Speaker 3: A will make sure the wagners. They're really big cards.

585
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,680
They have their seniors there. Guess who's going to be

586
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,079
greating those cards. It's not you or me. It's gonna

587
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,640
those senior graders who get paid good money and have

588
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,519
a lot of your concerns.

589
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:41,359
Speaker 2: But they're not going to spend any more than five

590
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,400
minut card there.

591
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: No, that's true. Spend thirty seconds so you can get

592
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,160
a TCG.

593
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they may spend you know, a few minutes.

594
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: So you know. This comment brings up something I watched.

595
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:55,240
Chris swe Will put out a new video this morning,

596
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,640
and one of his discussions is the fact that somebody

597
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,519
had a Wade Bogs rookie not even a rookie card.

598
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:06,039
Wade Box autograph card graded by PSA was like eighty bucks.

599
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:10,480
Graded by JSA CGC was like forty bucks. And part

600
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:15,960
of the problem. And ostensibly the CGC card just looks better,

601
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,880
presents better. JSA, as far as I'm concerned, are better

602
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,480
autograph analysis analysis than the PSA people. And yet we're

603
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,160
paying twice as much for that card. And the reality

604
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,559
is that people don't and that's why PSA can continue

605
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,200
to charge the prices they charge, because we, as the

606
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,240
hobby have not taken it. You know, we give more

607
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:41,079
money for PSA cards, which I don't simply that it's

608
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,720
not in my you know, it's not in my hobby

609
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,519
that I'm giving more money to PSA. It's just the

610
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:48,319
way it is. And so maybe it's the problem is

611
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,920
it's it's partially our fault. This, this disgraceful group of

612
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,680
prices is our fault. I mean we we have empowered

613
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:01,400
we the hobby have empowered PSA to screw us from

614
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,039
behind like they're doing at the at the National Frankly,

615
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,199
I don't want any part of it. And you know,

616
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,719
as one million cups says, go to a different company,

617
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,599
I do not have a graph like that for the

618
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,119
CGC prices. Uncle Rich, you mentioned that you had seen them.

619
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:18,920
What did you think of their GC?

620
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 3: And Beckett and SGC is going to be at least

621
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,079
taking some missions. And I saw that we are fully

622
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,239
vested in all the grading companies, being at all the

623
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,599
key grading companies. And when I say this is no

624
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,960
slight to the tags, the arena clubs, the people one

625
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:37,880
level below those four, I'm sure they will be there too.

626
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,719
So we will have a lot of you will have

627
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,960
a lot of and I don't want to sound like

628
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,519
a PSA apologic, but Chris Carlin, one of our fellow panelists,

629
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:49,320
has explained on the shows why all this insurance goes on.

630
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,760
You know Chris, you know, I know he works there,

631
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,360
but he's very well spoken on it and explains what.

632
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:59,239
And even Bo explained in his post of why yeah,

633
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,920
damn right, we're insuring their car. It was a post

634
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,440
from one million coups Thompson three or four comments and

635
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,440
he's right, absolutely, they're handling cards. You're paying two hundred

636
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,159
dollars for car, be worth ofly gone right, You're gonna happen.

637
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: That's my alternative grading these days. A beautiful one touch

638
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,679
from Penny.

639
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: Sleever dropping off some cars at s G. You know,

640
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,559
I still like their their the tucks. I still believe

641
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,000
in them, and the prices are reasonable and I know

642
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:28,639
I'm going to get it back, you know, in reasonable

643
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:32,079
time compared to the p s A bulk rates or

644
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:35,360
whatever they have, because you know, it's just not worth

645
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,000
it to me. I don't have that high end of

646
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:41,400
cards to submit to p s A right then and there,

647
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,559
but to send to have SGC take them home to

648
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,159
Boca and grade them, mail them to me. I'm good

649
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:49,519
with that.

650
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm coming up on three months. Yeah yeah, my latest

651
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,360
SGC is coming up on three months. And uh, it's

652
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,719
not even in grading at this point, so you know,

653
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,559
I mean it used to be a month. Now it's

654
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:06,239
three to four months. And that's not like you said,

655
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,800
it's compared to PSA. It's not. It's bad, but it

656
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,440
should be better. Let's put it honestly.

657
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 3: Just like Orlando, if I was gonna have any I

658
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,079
really wanted to have graded at the beck of there's

659
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:16,519
literally five minutes you know, you know I can drive there.

660
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,639
I mean I went there once during rush hour. It

661
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:20,559
was five minutes. Or I didn't go there, but I went.

662
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,400
I did the timings. Five they're during rush that's close

663
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,280
enough where Yeah, if I'm going to do something, I'll

664
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,440
make the appointment.

665
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: And drop off wait rush hour rush.

666
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,679
Speaker 3: Like eight thirty. I actually test. I actually tested to day.

667
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,559
I was going somewhere else and I figured, let me

668
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:37,559
test this to see how long it actually so I

669
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:40,039
can talk about this someday video.

670
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,039
Speaker 1: Well, PSA is New Jersey City. Location is one stop

671
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:47,639
on the path train from from my from my my job.

672
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,239
So I've gone over there a couple of times. Say

673
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,920
it again, don't they have graders card grade? I'm not sure.

674
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,400
I just submitted actually, I think one of them. They

675
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,320
said they had to send it to California because the

676
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,280
nature of the car hard. But I'm not I'm not

677
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,000
gonna be doing that anymore. Well, actually it was this.

678
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:11,960
It was not card. It was a ticket.

679
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,039
Speaker 3: Has a ticket office not too far from where I am.

680
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,639
Speaker 1: So, uh, okay, well will you you did bring this up? Rich?

681
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,480
It's the what happened in uh in Jersey, South Jersey.

682
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,119
So what's interesting about this is, you know, you have well,

683
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,079
I'm a criminal defense lawyer, so I'm pretty well versed

684
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:33,639
in what crimes are and uh and and and to

685
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:36,920
to look at the you know, the circumstances and determine

686
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,480
what what what's the underlying thing here? And in reality

687
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,960
it says armed thieves. This was not some sort of

688
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,719
crime of passion or some crime of opportunity. It was

689
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:49,960
a bunch of guys coming up or a couple of

690
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,519
guys coming up with guns, knowing who their target was,

691
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,599
and then driving away in a BMW. The robbers had

692
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,639
a BMW, so they they you know, there was there

693
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,840
was some there was some knowledge here or inside knowledge

694
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,920
here one hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of Pokemon

695
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,760
cards and twelve thousand dollars in cash, and there was

696
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,239
some pistol whipping going on, and it was a pretty

697
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,039
brutal thing. But the thing about it and Richie talked

698
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,000
about security at shows, and we could talk about that too,

699
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,199
but this didn't happen at the show. It happened in

700
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,119
a parking lot some distance from the show after load out.

701
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:28,679
And how do you how do you guard against something

702
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,719
like that? You know, how how do you prevent people

703
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,159
from understanding what where? You know where the money's going

704
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,719
when it's going off site and those guys with their

705
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,440
guns in their pockets aren't anywhere in sight? How do

706
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,280
you protect against that?

707
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: It's it's hard. I'm not just talk about the Dallas card. Yeah,

708
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,760
you know, it's the Water's conventions. Unfortunately that it's A seven.

709
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,840
It's literally six or seven floors of the garage. But

710
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,280
I almost think you have to close that. People want

711
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,440
when I say one, to pat that area as well

712
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:00,239
or lease off in addition just to me, I'm know

713
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,119
I went the last show about between in the after

714
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,519
because to show how secrety conscious com see where I

715
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:09,679
worked with, and they asked me to come. The person

716
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,599
who does the booth asked me to come to just

717
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:14,599
make sure there were bodies there to close the show

718
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,039
down was part of just parts of shows or loaded

719
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,400
and this was a loadown and one person went and

720
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,159
brought the cards going to be shipped. It was an

721
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:25,519
easy access to get FedEx office. Is literally very little

722
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:27,360
is going to happen to him, do the cards into

723
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,320
the car, they go across the street, he drops them off.

724
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,000
It's all good. But we have feuters, we have other

725
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,039
and because it's twelve minutes from my house, they asked

726
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:38,320
me if some of the some things in Texas, but

727
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:40,760
they want to sure that nothing happened and you have

728
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,400
to be careful and this is part of what I

729
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,280
talked about badges. But I got there at three in

730
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,559
the after on Sunday and anybody could have walked in.

731
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,440
And that's one of the most to have almost extra

732
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,920
security and loaded and load out. They're doing the show.

733
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,679
It sounds it's actually it's really weird. In fact, the

734
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,920
one point the Dallas card show, which you start setting

735
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,880
up until and I'm sure they still do the toll.

736
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,239
We will not let you. We will not let anybody

737
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,440
set up. In fact, when I was doing the show once,

738
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,480
I had to tell Cup and out of leave because

739
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,679
if you don't leave, we can't set up. And then

740
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,079
asked me because I knew them, and I explained, none

741
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,400
of us can set up, like Okay, I got you.

742
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,039
Speaker 2: You know, Philly, Philly. Joe Man has a good comment there.

743
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,079
And you have to remember it's not just they're getting

744
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,239
robbed at some of these guys. There was one I

745
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,320
remember was followed from the show. They followed their car

746
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,000
to a restaurant, and then when they got down to

747
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,760
eat at the restaurant, they broke into their car and

748
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,440
stole their stuff from their car. You know, even today,

749
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,239
I still see too many dealers that are at the

750
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,039
shows by themselves, and you need to have people. If

751
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:43,360
you're a dealer at the show, you can't just be

752
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,119
there by yourself. And at some of these small shows,

753
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,639
I see it guy at the table.

754
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do my own. I don't. I

755
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,440
don't have thousands and thousand dollars worth of cards, but

756
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,079
I do have enough money on me and enough cards

757
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:00,760
to be a victim. But the local shows that I

758
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,360
work at. One of the local shows, shout out to

759
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,440
Maddie Stephen on on State Island. He's a former police officer.

760
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:09,679
He has two security at every show. They are either

761
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,239
active off duty police or retired police officers, which means

762
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,000
we know what they've got in their pocket, and they

763
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,519
actually affirmatively guard the load in and the way that

764
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:23,599
these shows are set up. You can park right near

765
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,599
the door and there's a guy, there's a security guy

766
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:30,519
at the door watching you load in or load out.

767
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:33,079
And to me, that's the safest show that I work

768
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:37,079
in terms of the local shows. But again, what and

769
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,239
you know the Philly Joe's point is, and this has happened,

770
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,719
as Orlando said, what what about tracking me? You know,

771
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,239
you know I've just loaded in thousands of dollars worth

772
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,000
of cards and I've got, you know, a wad in

773
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,599
my wallet or in my pocket. What's to stop them

774
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,400
from following me and doing it off site, which is

775
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,280
exactly what these guys did in Jersey. I mean, it's

776
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,000
not worth the time to up somebody like me, But

777
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:03,760
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of Pokemon and

778
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,039
twelve thousand dollars in their pocket. I mean, that's that's

779
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,719
that's a victim waiting to happen. And the problem is,

780
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,000
of course, you security can only go so far. And

781
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:19,159
I'm just concerned that we're making ourselves in the hobby

782
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,320
sitting ducks by not exercising maybe a little more security.

783
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,679
And I think it's it might have been. Yeah, Zach said,

784
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,920
if you had that much money, you would have your

785
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,840
own security. Why not. Howie Chasterer did it at the

786
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,440
National in twenty twenty four, had his own private security

787
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,280
guard because of the nature of the inventory that he

788
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,960
had on the table. And you know, is it an expense?

789
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,840
Certainly it's an expense. Is it worth it?

790
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 2: Maybe it is, you know, yeah, And then you know,

791
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,960
let's let's talk about collectors. People are going to go

792
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:55,280
to the National with thousands of dollars, thousands of dollars,

793
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,880
thousands of dollars with a card. You gotta be careful.

794
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,920
You can't be by yourself, you know, I would Atlantic City.

795
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,480
I had to walk to the hotel, to the convention

796
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:06,079
center and back to the hotel. Hey, it was not

797
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:08,119
a pretty sight. Let me tell you. I was worried.

798
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,559
So I always made sure I had somebody with me

799
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:12,719
that could walk with me. And you know, you gotta

800
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,360
be careful at the national be flashing your cash out,

801
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:18,039
you know, if you're gonna do a big deal. Sometimes

802
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:20,519
you know, as the dealer, can I go behind the booth?

803
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,000
You know, don't be videotaping or a lot of of

804
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,440
you do it videotape the deal putting out all this

805
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:28,960
cash on the table. There are people watching you there.

806
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,400
Do they know what you have? So just be careful,

807
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,519
not just the dealers, but the collector.

808
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 3: One who did that robbery. If they're driving around a

809
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,320
bf BMW, they have enough when you.

810
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: When you I have to. I'm not admitted in Jersey,

811
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,159
but I have done cases in Jersey by you know,

812
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,639
having my co counsel be a Jersey admitted lawyer. So

813
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:54,239
I have done cases in Jersey. So give me a call.

814
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,679
Speaker 3: Guys, we got we got an experienced defense attorney. Here

815
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,960
a second. You know Alan Rosen, the buys he had made.

816
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,440
Alan Rosen never went alone to anybody unless he really

817
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:07,280
knew the perp. And what I mean by that is

818
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,599
there was one there was one case he went with me.

819
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,480
I go he doesn't happen and we did a couple

820
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:13,840
of things like that, but you know, unless it was

821
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,480
vetted by somebody, he stood on this. He never went alone.

822
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,239
And that was on three we were talking about and

823
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,800
I have a slightly dinnergogue because after set, after October's,

824
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,599
things became very but even before October set we started

825
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:29,039
having because of the shooting at the Allan output not

826
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:31,920
having disemters, but less than ten minutes show there was

827
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,599
that Alan outlet. Look got and thank goodness there was

828
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:38,280
a police officer there on an unrelated who happened to

829
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,079
stop because otherwise it could have been much more. And

830
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,800
we have a security.

831
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 5: Or we have a police officer there and you know

832
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,920
basically the show when they run from four, well he's

833
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,039
basically there from nine thirty to four and most most vendors,

834
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:52,679
almost every vendor is out at four o'clock.

835
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,079
Speaker 3: We get everybody out on and I tell people in

836
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:57,400
a Senate we're actually for the overnight. We're the building,

837
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,440
you know, of if anything happens, the police will be

838
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,320
there quicker than I can I slip the phone call,

839
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,480
you know, so but you know, winder step and that's

840
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:09,320
and that's you know and understands you know, when I

841
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,920
set up at a show, I always figure if somebody

842
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,320
stole something from me, I always figure of more than yeah.

843
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: Well, especially since you have the cheaper stuff out whereas

844
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,360
your your cases have the more expensive stuff. That's what

845
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,679
That's what I do. Yes, And if.

846
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:26,519
Speaker 3: Somebody steals from my cheap and I would put when

847
00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:28,199
I had my before I sold out one of my

848
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,039
multiple times, I would put my approup of stuff, let's say,

849
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,559
on the corners where somebody took something from them. Okay,

850
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,159
the card is going to be five.

851
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it is what it is. Well, the other

852
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:41,320
thing that I've seen, even at local shows, not necessarily

853
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:45,159
like sports card guys, but the Pokemon card guys have cameras,

854
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,480
their own personal cameras on their tables. And I saw

855
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:51,480
a guy the other day with a sign that said

856
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:54,519
you are being recorded and you know whether it's true

857
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:56,559
or not, and how much that means. I think it

858
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:59,760
has some effect. So you know, you see occasionally you

859
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,800
see these videos on YouTube of you know, guy's little

860
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,079
little you know, ring camera right on his table finding

861
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,519
showing somebody's stealing. And it happens. It happens, not doesn't

862
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:12,280
have to be one hundred thousand dollars. It can be

863
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:16,199
twenty thirty, fifty, couple hundred dollars and suddenly your show

864
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,639
that was you were doing pretty well at you're doing

865
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:23,880
less well. So it is a problem in small, small aspects.

866
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 2: Too, Dan quick, five minutes before we shut down on FIFA.

867
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: Yes, United States. Well, not to say one thing, let

868
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,280
me just I will give you the floor, But I

869
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,400
want to say one thing, FIFA. Why is the United

870
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,119
States not playing on July fourth? Please? What the heck?

871
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:43,679
Go ahead?

872
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah we got Canada playing on July fourth? What is that?

873
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:48,960
But yes, you're right, Dan, You know, I gotta tell

874
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,199
you I was not a soccer I thought I was

875
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:56,239
the most boring sport. You know, nil nil, one one, nothing, nothing,

876
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,360
you know, those type of games. To me, we're boring.

877
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:00,440
But I gotta tell you this has been the most

878
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,559
exciting FIFA tournament I've ever seen. You know, yesterday's game

879
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:09,079
with Argentina and Copple Verde was an incredible game. Going

880
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:13,920
into double overtime with you know, the previous champion Argentina

881
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,760
going against probably one teams that shouldn't even been their

882
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,280
smallest country couple Verde, and they went head ahead with

883
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,840
them and tied the game in overtime and ended up

884
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,039
being an incredible game. And USA is playing awesome. I mean,

885
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:29,719
I've become a fan. I got to tell you, it's

886
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,960
really changed my way the way that I look at

887
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,679
soccer now or football, you know, and watching them play

888
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,039
here in Miami. I haven't been to the game, but

889
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,960
I got to tell you the amount of enthusiasm that

890
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:46,679
are here, the teams, the countries that have come here.

891
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,719
I mean Scotland came here after they went to Boston.

892
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,800
They drank all the beer over heroes, I mean, the

893
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,280
Norway to the row you know of course USA and

894
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,719
Argentina with Messi who plays here in Miami playing the

895
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,920
game here last night. I mean, the crowds were just

896
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:06,280
incredible and it's just great to see people from other

897
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,559
countries tying it back to July fourth being happy of

898
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,679
America saying how great Erica is. It's great to hear

899
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,719
people from all over the world, how great America. And

900
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,800
that's just you know, it's just been an incredible tournament

901
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,039
and anybody who hasn't been watching, you better start watching.

902
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,199
The games are getting better and better every round, and

903
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:26,039
now we're in the round of sixteen.

904
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, USA in the around of sixteen is fun. I

905
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,480
feel like go ahead, rich, sorry.

906
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 3: Switoking back hobby right. I've talked about how our local store,

907
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,119
which is this was a Shane thirty sums drive had

908
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,760
a trade afternoon on Monday for World Cup stickers, all

909
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,239
of us and they did some this but not as

910
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,760
and they dread just as many they expected, all of

911
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,719
who were just trading their stickers. It was so much.

912
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,800
I didn't I expect them, glad I did my wife.

913
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,920
But on the way home, I stopped at my local

914
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,000
card store, which is part of their got the album

915
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:02,880
which they were giving away, and but a few sticks.

916
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,480
She is addicted, and I explained to her, this is, honey,

917
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,519
this is not for money. You're not putting money us.

918
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:09,519
This is you know when she heard the boxes hundred

919
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:11,480
dollars for the stick because yeah, I'm not buying the boxes.

920
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:13,440
We'll just we'll just buy some packs here, you know,

921
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,360
as long as you but she is joining the whole

922
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,880
concept the stick and you know, for everybody there. When

923
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,159
I was there, it was really hot. It was hotter

924
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:26,440
than New York City. But it was so encouraging to

925
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:29,679
see people just for value and there may have been

926
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,920
a couple looking. For the most part, they were the

927
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,760
stickers to finish their out. There's like, oh, there was

928
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,320
like culture and I remember pre pandemic many years ago

929
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,960
my local car store really was and not part of

930
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,480
a co colabration. Every four years the day the world

931
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:47,039
cup stick and the sticker, there'd be fifty people who

932
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:49,280
would come into the store, buy the box and just

933
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,639
start trading them if and they wouldn't come back to

934
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:54,039
the store for another four year. Literally you know, they

935
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:57,480
would come everything. And so it's always encouraging to see

936
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,239
with these items what you want them, which just have fun,

937
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:04,440
you know to them. Lionel l Messi is the same

938
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:09,440
as whichever you know, Weston McKenzie of the US if

939
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,000
they needed for the Senate it can be a one

940
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,159
for It's okay, that's when it was six years ago.

941
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,039
Speaker 2: Back to trading cards.

942
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:19,039
Speaker 3: Back to trading cards. Yes, is trading stick It's fun

943
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:21,719
to see equal getting go. I'm going to ridge whenever

944
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I see something. Money is important of this hobby, don't

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get but it's always fun to actually collect and collecting.

946
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I you know, when I set up at shows, I said,

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I don't do a lot of that, but I always figure,

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with a couple of exceptions, everybody's coming to from the

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question is how much do you let them? And I

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mean it's kind of sad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well gentlemen. Uh, it has been as I

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had anticipated when I saw the list of people who

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would be on this show. A great pleasure as always,

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Uncle Rich, wonderful to see you again, and nice chatting

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with you, Orlando of course the greatest and uh and

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and having you on July fourth. I knew it was

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going to be good. I know it's going to be

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this good, so really really so pleased. The chat was

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engaged and into it and having fun. And you know,

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dom Dom said, what do he say? Hope to see

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this trio on again here soon? So do I So, folks,

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Happy Happy Birthday America two fifty United States. Go go go.

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When when's the Sunday? I think Sunday tomorrow? I think

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is the is the soccer game? We're gonna have to

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deal with the fact that ball a gone picked up

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a red card and isn't going to be able to play.

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The guy who scored a goal also got a red card,

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So now we lose a goal scorer. But we'll see

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what happens if USA wins on Sunday. I think it

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is h It's Monday, Monday, Monday, It's Monday. Okay, yeah,

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they move on to the Round of eight, which would

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be pretty awesome, but we'll see anyway, Folks, this has

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been Hobby Hotline and thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for listening to this episode of Hobby Hotline.

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Just want to remind everyone we are a live show

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every Saturday morning, eleven am eastern eight am Pacific on

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the four Collectors channel on YouTube. That's the number four,

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the word Collector's channel on YouTube. We hope to see

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many of you live on a future Saturday. We have

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a great interactive chat room and we always provide a

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link for anyone that wants to come on the show

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and chop it up with us. So that's a reminder.

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Every Saturday, eleven am eastern eight am Pacific, only four

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Collectors channel on YouTube. Hope to see you on the show.