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<v Speaker 1>Hello everyone, and welcome back once again to the nonprofits.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ten Commandments are making their way into public schools

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas, but not if one representative has anything to

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<v Speaker 1>say about it. AJ has more details.

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<v Speaker 2>Texas just continues to inch closer and closer to Christian

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<v Speaker 2>nationalist status, which was one of the main goals of

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<v Speaker 2>Project twenty twenty five. On May twenty eight, the Texas

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<v Speaker 2>Senate voted to pass the Ten Commandments Bill, which requires

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<v Speaker 2>all public school public schools in Texas to display the

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<v Speaker 2>Ten Commandments. Yes, you heard that right, tax funded public schools,

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<v Speaker 2>so regardless of the taxpayer's religion, they would be forced

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<v Speaker 2>to get behind this nonsense. But our hope is not lost. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>There is one very outspoken Texas representative by the name

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<v Speaker 2>of James tall Rico, who is a Democrat, who has

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<v Speaker 2>been gourwilling other representatives that support the bill during the

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<v Speaker 2>hearings and on other public forums. This story is from

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<v Speaker 2>The Friendly Eightiest by Herman Metta on May twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Outstanding. Thank you, so, AJ, Let's actually come right back

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<v Speaker 1>to you and just kind of give our audience a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a clearer picture of what we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about here. What does the bill actually say and do

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<v Speaker 1>you think it's actually going to help or is it

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<v Speaker 1>expected to actually help in the way that Congresswoman Noble,

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<v Speaker 1>the main sponsor of the bill, is claiming that it will.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think help? I don't know about that,

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<v Speaker 2>But the bill is actually ridiculously detailed. The bill says

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<v Speaker 2>that the Ten Commandments posters will have to be the

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<v Speaker 2>King James version, obviously the only acceptable Bible version according

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<v Speaker 2>to Christian nationalists. Another thing that it details is that

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<v Speaker 2>it will have to be exactly sixteen by twenty inches,

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<v Speaker 2>very specific, and it even says that it must be

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<v Speaker 2>made of endurable material so that it is not easily destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>But get this, the posters could be either privately donated

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<v Speaker 2>or purchased with district funds. So again, taxpayers, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>their religion, will be liable for funding these biblical rules

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<v Speaker 2>posters for classrooms, whatever their schools. Ason. Meanwhile, you have

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<v Speaker 2>other reals like being pushed, you know, to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of free lunches for school children. Teachers have to purchase

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<v Speaker 2>all of their supplies with their own personal money. But sure,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and give tax money to you know, districts

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for these tank commandment posters anytime, right. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems like their priorities are as screwed up as they

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<v Speaker 2>can be. If only God had added a commandment about

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<v Speaker 2>taking girl kids, maybe then Christians will give a shit

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<v Speaker 2>about the children the same way that they do before

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<v Speaker 2>they're born, when they're just a clumbo cells.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a that's a good cinema. But I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of with Kelly there. I saw him like shaking his head.

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<v Speaker 1>I think some of the videos in this article demonstrated

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of the the a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>don't actually know the commandments very well. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to expand on that Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>Brought I was about to say, yeah, and the ones

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<v Speaker 3>that do they still break them anyway. All right, Aj,

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<v Speaker 3>when you're doing the introduction, you said that Texas was

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<v Speaker 3>moving closer to Christian nationalism. I thought to myself, what

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<v Speaker 3>do you mean closer? Didn't they make it? They're already

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<v Speaker 3>he's already pulled over.

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<v Speaker 1>He can't pull over any farther. Right, So, Kelly, while

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<v Speaker 1>we have your attention, we're actually we're coming up on

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<v Speaker 1>the We're about a month away from the one hundredth

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<v Speaker 1>anniversary of the Scopes monkey trial or the Scopes trial,

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<v Speaker 1>I think more officially, do you see any resemblance between

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<v Speaker 1>like this bill and the Butler Act, for example, that

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of central in that case.

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<v Speaker 3>I do. Now the Butler Act was passed along with

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<v Speaker 3>the whole slew of that same different versions of it,

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<v Speaker 3>but the same law was passed throughout many states, especially

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<v Speaker 3>out through the South, all around the same time. And

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<v Speaker 3>we're starting to see that now with this You know

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<v Speaker 3>that Louisiana did it, Arkansas did it. I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 3>Oklahomas is trying to do it as well. So we're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing this kind of wave of this Christian idealism being

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<v Speaker 3>put into the law, and of course that's unconstitutional, just

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<v Speaker 3>like the Butler Act was. Of course, I think we

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<v Speaker 3>all know Scopes lost his trial, but he ultimately won

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<v Speaker 3>the lord to get religion out of biology. But it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't until all those laws were challenged, just like this

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<v Speaker 3>one's being challenged in Louisiana presently. That and they cost

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of states very expensive trials. There was like

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<v Speaker 3>three losses in a row, and the Scopes won his

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<v Speaker 3>so but right after that there were three losses evolution

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<v Speaker 3>laws were repealed right after that. State senates and state

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<v Speaker 3>governments were repealing them before a lawsuit happened, so they

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<v Speaker 3>could save money. Lots of they were bleeding money through

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<v Speaker 3>the courts because of it. And I think that we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to see a similar situation play out here. I

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<v Speaker 3>think we might see Missouri could pass one, Alabama and Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't surprise me at all, you know. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think that after they get a couple of losses in

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<v Speaker 3>the courts, after they spent a few million dollars trying

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<v Speaker 3>to defense something that's constitutionally indefensible, I think we'll see

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<v Speaker 3>everybody start dropping it, just like they dropped the evolution laws.

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<v Speaker 1>I would definitely hope that would be the case, but

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<v Speaker 1>it seems to me in this instance, for this particular bill,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to have to come from the top down,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I don't know how competent I feel about

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<v Speaker 1>that happening. But the reason I say that is because

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<v Speaker 1>before this bill passed in the House, there was an

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<v Speaker 1>amendment added to it that would require the state attorney

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<v Speaker 1>General to act in court as the defense for any

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<v Speaker 1>district that gets sued as a result of this bill.

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<v Speaker 1>And if that district does not if that district district

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<v Speaker 1>is penalized, is the right word is escaping me right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they don't win that case, if the district

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<v Speaker 1>that he's representing, doesn't win that case, the tax payers

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<v Speaker 1>the state is like required to pay the damages, the losses,

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<v Speaker 1>the penalty, any financial or economic h you could say, And.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I'm pretty sure I know a taxpayer in Texas,

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<v Speaker 3>So I wonder aging how do you feel about having

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<v Speaker 3>to pay for that?

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<v Speaker 1>And not only and I do when you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and not only that, but what was it like for

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<v Speaker 1>you to in a place like Texas that's rife with

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<v Speaker 1>Christian influence, to see a religious uh nonetheless representative speaking

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<v Speaker 1>out so strongly against this bill, How like what was

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<v Speaker 1>that experience like?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, obviously as an atheist, it's been really interesting, to

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<v Speaker 2>say the least, to watch one. Firstly, because Representative tell

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<v Speaker 2>Erico he's a former former school teacher, and so he

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<v Speaker 2>has experienced me in a cstroom, right, And so I

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<v Speaker 2>actually really enjoyed his exchange with the bill sponsor, the

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<v Speaker 2>Republican Representative candyon Noble.

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<v Speaker 1>Every exchange everyone that he has, Sorry, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Roasted her. He roasted her literally about this bill uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that there's no other way to put it

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<v Speaker 2>other than he roasted her to a quisp. So I've

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<v Speaker 2>been seeing in tons of like short clips on the

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<v Speaker 2>different questions and answers, and I was really shocked to

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<v Speaker 2>learn that he's a Christian. A first, I thought he

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<v Speaker 2>was maybe maybe one of the nouns, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>the no no, no religion.

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<v Speaker 1>And not really I have a relationship with Christ kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Like so, like I swear the way the way

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<v Speaker 2>that he opposed the bill UH is something like one

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<v Speaker 2>of those arguments that you will hear on the atheist experience,

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<v Speaker 2>like like somebody experienced like I don't know, afreaking John

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<v Speaker 2>Gleezon or something like that. But this told me one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a secular Christian, not a Christian nationalist. And

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<v Speaker 2>that is the huge difference between all of these legislators.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them forces the religion down everyone's throats, and

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<v Speaker 2>the other respects the separation of church and state as

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<v Speaker 2>the constitution in the case. So he is an amazing

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<v Speaker 2>example of the way that Christian legislators should behave while

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<v Speaker 2>representing their constituents because they come from different faiths, like

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<v Speaker 2>or like us, you know, no faiths. It's funny though.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I mentioned this before we started the show

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<v Speaker 2>that here in Houston specifically, we have one local representative

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<v Speaker 2>and he is Jewish. So what he did was he

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<v Speaker 2>presented an amendment for this bill saying that they should

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<v Speaker 2>have the Jewish Tank Commandments displayed as well. And what

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<v Speaker 2>did Republicans do? They were like, no, they voted completely

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<v Speaker 2>against it. And he was like, he was like, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I will never actually do that, but I had to

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<v Speaker 2>do this to prove the hypocrisy of these people, like

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<v Speaker 2>the hypocrisy that they will not allow even the Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>Tank Commandments. No, only the like we said, the King

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<v Speaker 2>James version is the only acceptable one. And I thought

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<v Speaker 2>that was pretty epic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I like too, how the Sorry, I had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of thoughts just coming into my head all

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<v Speaker 1>at once at the end there, I'm trying to choose

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<v Speaker 1>which one. There there was a group or an individual

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<v Speaker 1>that started making like posters that technically fit the specifications

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<v Speaker 1>that the law requires, which which you mentioned earlier, and

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to say that kind of reminds me a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more of like signs that have the force of law, like,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, in states where where a no no Weapons

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<v Speaker 1>allowed sign has the force of law, it's required to

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<v Speaker 1>meet certain size specifications. The print has to be of

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<v Speaker 1>a certain size. It can't be smaller than this, you

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<v Speaker 1>know small. It has to be in plane view. And

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<v Speaker 1>the specifications for this bill reminds me a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>like the specifications for no firearms signs, which doesn't give

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<v Speaker 1>you the impression that it's about making a history lesson available.

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<v Speaker 1>It gives me the impression that it's about making sure

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<v Speaker 1>that it is seen. And so there was one artist,

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<v Speaker 1>or i'd call him a protester them, I should say,

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<v Speaker 1>that made some versions of these signs that fit all

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<v Speaker 1>the specifications that the law requires. But like one of

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<v Speaker 1>them is in Arabic. One of them they increased the

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<v Speaker 1>visibility of the words kill, adultery, steal, and ass out

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<v Speaker 1>of the King James versions of the commandments. So I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was really funny. But you also mentioned something

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<v Speaker 1>earlier AJ that No, I'm sorry, I already said that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to have to be a cut. I

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<v Speaker 1>completely lost my train of thought.

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<v Speaker 2>It is some space to cut a Yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 2>do this.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember what the sign was too from before two

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<v Speaker 3>was in God we trust signs.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh got it? Okay, okay, I'm just gonna have to pivot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, here is but as far as okay, sorry

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<v Speaker 1>here let me do my silence. As far as James

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<v Speaker 1>Talerico though, like this isn't really anything new, like he

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<v Speaker 1>first sponsored. I saw even before we knew that this,

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<v Speaker 1>like before I knew that this is what this article

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<v Speaker 1>was about, I saw another video of him opposing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm going to break in right now, we lie

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<v Speaker 3>and reprimand you because we covered that here on the Nonprofits.

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<v Speaker 3>I myself covered that video two years ago, so you

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<v Speaker 3>should have been watching. Damn it, that's on me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, even like you mentioned aj, you thought like

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<v Speaker 1>you had like kind of some presumption about like his

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<v Speaker 1>his religious belieu. When I first heard him speaking, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I could could say they're not all Republican. That

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<v Speaker 1>was religious, but just happened to be sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, it was kind of unclear, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I find out that he's a religious democrat

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<v Speaker 1>I was really impressed with him as well. Kelly, did

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<v Speaker 1>you did you have any thoughts about Representative to Allerica

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<v Speaker 3>I love the way he was bringing up the hypocrisy

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<v Speaker 3>of his fellow politicians in Texas with the obvious references

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<v Speaker 3>to Ken Paxton right. I don't know speaking of the

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<v Speaker 3>earlier confrontation with Nobel right, Representative Noble, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if I think the earlier one from two years ago

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<v Speaker 3>was more I was like more burning than this last

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<v Speaker 3>one was. So if you haven't seen this, if you've

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<v Speaker 3>seen this one thought it was good, go find the

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<v Speaker 3>other one. Watch it. It's great. Watch the prequel. He

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<v Speaker 3>really surprised that, like after two years, she had two

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<v Speaker 3>years knowing this was going to happen to her again,

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<v Speaker 3>that she didn't come up with any better responses. It

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<v Speaker 3>was it was almost worse. She was just like almost

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<v Speaker 3>like her brain got switched off, like happens to me

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<v Speaker 3>every once in a while, and I think she spent

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<v Speaker 3>too much time reading the Ten Commandments instead of paying

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but one of the things I really

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<v Speaker 3>enjoyed was Jamie Raskin coming out and commenting that that

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<v Speaker 3>if the Texas Congress votes on each Commandment and no

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<v Speaker 3>member could vote for anyone they had broken, none of

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<v Speaker 3>them would be passed. So I thought that was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you said, like if she if she would

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<v Speaker 1>spend less time reading the Commandments, I'm not sure that

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<v Speaker 1>that's the case, that that she spent too much. I ready,

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<v Speaker 1>because there was a little bit of banter in like

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<v Speaker 1>some of the videos in the article, and you hear

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<v Speaker 1>one of like her her cronies. I guess I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to say in the background saying Representative Tillerico says something

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<v Speaker 1>about legislation legislators not following the Commandments, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>them says, well, maybe if they had them posted.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that what you would think you would think by now,

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<v Speaker 3>this grown man who was a representative would know the

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<v Speaker 3>Ten Commandments.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, especially if they've been like championing this bill or

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<v Speaker 1>like this bill about them for two years because they're

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<v Speaker 1>so important and foundational to our history. But that along

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<v Speaker 1>those lines or along that note, aj you said earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought it kind of reminded me of like

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<v Speaker 1>some like like representative Nobles arguments were less effective than

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<v Speaker 1>some of the less effective arguments we heard in AXP.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't you have an example of one that you said

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out the hypocrisy pretty well?

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<v Speaker 2>Like there was one specific exchange that truly and clearly

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<v Speaker 2>up straight from the auticle, so I'm going to read

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<v Speaker 2>it from there. And it's between tall Rico and Noble.

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<v Speaker 2>So Taraico goes first and he's like, what is the

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<v Speaker 2>fourth Commandment? And Nobel replies, are you referring to the

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<v Speaker 2>way it's written in the ball He said, yeah. She

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<v Speaker 2>makes a really long pause and starts looking at her paperwork,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, keep the Sabbath. It's about Osbian here

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday, and then she laughs, isn't it ironic? In

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<v Speaker 2>tar Rico is like, well, so what does it mean

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<v Speaker 2>to keep the Sabbath holy? And she goes, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's do you want to get into theology here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to if you would like to. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's really important that we take a day of rest.

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<v Speaker 2>I think God, who founded the world didn't need rest,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet he took a day of rest after he

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<v Speaker 2>to us to take a day rest that is enshrined

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<v Speaker 2>in our rules and our constitution. What it says accepting

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday in our very early documents as aination. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what people think that the Bible is in the constitution,

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<v Speaker 2>so Tarica says, and so part of keeping the Sabbath

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<v Speaker 2>holy is not working on the Sabbath, right, she said

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<v Speaker 2>that is, yeah, they arrest. So he goes, and what

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<v Speaker 2>is the ten commandments? You know they come from Judaism? Right,

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<v Speaker 2>what day is the Jewish Sabbath? And she goes, Saturday?

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<v Speaker 2>And what day is it today? And she will Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>So Talarateed goes like, and the Christian Sabbath is what

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<v Speaker 2>day of Jesus H when Jesus rolls from.

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<v Speaker 3>The day for yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he said, well, and we're scheduled to give

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<v Speaker 2>this bill the final voe on what day of the week. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to be on a Sunday. And she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>a serronic, isn't it. I'm like, yes, it is ironic.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>She was correct that the Constitution those mentioned counting days

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<v Speaker 2>for passing bills, but Sunday, because it says, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>six days or something like that, but Sunday should not

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<v Speaker 2>be counted. It's kind of like the way that we

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<v Speaker 2>say ten business days, right, we count Monday through Friday

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<v Speaker 2>on a business day. So, but the wording of the

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<v Speaker 2>Constitution does not say that you're not supposed to work

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<v Speaker 2>on that day. So it has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible. And another one that she is crewnin of

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<v Speaker 2>following is the nine Commandment, which it says to not

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<v Speaker 2>bear or fault with perfulse witness. And so it goes

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<v Speaker 2>to show that there are they are currently not following

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<v Speaker 2>either the Constitution or the Bible rules she's not respecting.

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<v Speaker 2>She's not respecting either her question or her nationalist dogma.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, what is the point of having these same

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<v Speaker 2>is already enough funnewing some of them, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's worse than the obvious, obvious lack of intellect in

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<v Speaker 3>this woman. She got elected. People fucking actually voted for

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<v Speaker 3>her knowing, I mean, having heard her speak, and that

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<v Speaker 3>just blows me away. Before we end this segment, though, Eli,

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<v Speaker 3>you were talking about the science in Arabic. In twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two, Texas passed the laws saying that every school

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<v Speaker 3>had to have a poster saying in God we trust.

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<v Speaker 3>And somebody donated some Arabic posters and some really cute

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<v Speaker 1>Point of surprise there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, they the school district said. The school districts

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<v Speaker 3>said that they had already received enough posters and weren't

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't send them back though, they probably just threw

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure about the final destination.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm speculating there obviously, But no, I think to

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<v Speaker 1>both of those points, it's pretty clear that this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>really about like, oh, this is foundational to our nation

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<v Speaker 1>and to our constitution, because not only that entire exchange

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<v Speaker 1>that you read out, AJ, but there was another one

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<v Speaker 1>where I really appreciated James Tillerico saying this. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a switching back and forth of saying

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<v Speaker 1>that this is historical, but then through your comments, like

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<v Speaker 1>as he's asking her to justify, like why is this

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<v Speaker 1>a good bill? The religious he goes on to say,

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<v Speaker 1>the religion comes through right, And so it just really

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<v Speaker 1>often as possible, that once you get beyond their claim

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<v Speaker 1>that no, this is foundational to our country and our

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<v Speaker 1>laws and everything that we do, and you ask them

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<v Speaker 1>to justify that just a little bit, it's always a

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<v Speaker 1>theological argument. Just like she couldn't help but continue to

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<v Speaker 1>reiterate over and over again through her comments, even the section,

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<v Speaker 1>the small section that that AJ read in comparison to

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<v Speaker 2>So go ahead, mister Slack, what is a man servant?

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<v Speaker 2>And where is a doctory? Can you imagine kids asking.

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<v Speaker 1>That, Yeah, it's I mean it does say the word

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<v Speaker 1>ass is in the King, James, So that you know

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<v Speaker 1>kids are going to giggle at that. They're going to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that says as it's going to distract. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>even you know, Representative Talerico himself has said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with his experience as an educator, this is far more

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<v Speaker 1>likely not only to not help in education in the classroom,

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<v Speaker 1>but not help Christianity either.

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<v Speaker 3>But you just brought up a good point. I just

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<v Speaker 3>started thinking about do you think it's possible for a

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<v Speaker 3>to read and not realize what, you know, what the

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<v Speaker 3>concept of murder is, and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't, I can't do murder? What? What? What is

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<v Speaker 3>that that matter was?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there wasn't a moment when I was in like

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<v Speaker 1>in this classroom and I needed a redirection on that.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like con there's concept adultery. Why would a second

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<v Speaker 3>more I mean, isn't it like teaching kids sex and

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<v Speaker 3>second grade? What the hell isn't it stuff they they're against?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, there's no consistency on the matter. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no it's it's it's it's just this new form of

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<v Speaker 1>nationalism that's like, if it's not Christian, it's not right,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore it doesn't belong. Did you have something to add.

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<v Speaker 2>A No, I'm just gonna say to everybody's listening, you belong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, and you belong here. We want you here.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, get in the comments to share your support

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<v Speaker 1>for each other, not just for us.