WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:10.119 Bill Cunningham, the Great America. Welcome this Wednesday and in 2 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:13.279 the tri State getting ready for the Bengals on Sunday, 3 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:15.640 and we'll see what happens with the Brownies in town 4 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:18.239 if they have a two percent chance, and maybe by 5 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:20.440 the end of Sunny we have some sense how close 6 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:22.600 the Bengals are getting in the playoffs and more. But 7 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:25.239 until then, David Yos is the Attorney General of the 8 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:28.359 State of Ohio. He walked in the shoes of Mike Dowaine, 9 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:31.000 who held the office for eight years, and David Yost 10 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:33.359 Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, 11 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:36.960 I read with interest the case called Dad's Place in Brian, 12 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.880 Ohio kind of out of our jurisdiction, but it's illustrative 13 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:45.000 of what civil authorities can do to Christian facilities. So 14 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:47.960 can you tell the American people about Dad's Place and 15 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:49.920 how you acted to stop that from occurring. 16 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:54.119 Yeah, this is kind of interesting. This is a little 17 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:58.280 street front church, and I'm going to tie it into 18 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:01.240 Cincinnati at a second, because there is this is an 19 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:04.719 important case, but it's a little street front shirt and 20 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:09.920 the pastor there keeps it open twenty four to seven. 21 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:12.239 If you can believe that somebody's there twenty four to 22 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:15.799 seven all the time, and you can come in there 23 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:18.599 off the street, doesn't matter, no questions asked. You know, 24 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:21.000 they'll give you food, they'll let you sit in a chair. 25 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:25.480 There's no beds or anything. But you know sometimes people 26 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.640 come in there and the coal winter, they'll sit in 27 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:32.879 those chairs all night long. And the city is not 28 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:36.560 happy about that. So they sent the building inspectors and 29 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:41.719 the zoning inspectors and the fire chief and started sighting 30 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:46.200 them for you know, every little niggling code violation they 31 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:49.400 could find. Well, it's a storefront shirt, it's in an 32 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.079 old building. It's exactly what you're imagining right now when 33 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:55.560 I'm talking about this. And the trouble is there's a 34 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:59.239 bunch of other places in these same kinds of buildings 35 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:05.159 that get waivers, basically get a pass on it. In fact, 36 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.879 there's even a hotel that where people sleep overnight where 37 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:13.039 some of these same violations have been you know, overlooked, 38 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:17.479 their their their grandfathered in. So the key issue is 39 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:21.479 a church definitely has to follow zoning and you know 40 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:25.479 building code safety code violations and all that. Uh, they're 41 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:30.080 they're the codes but you can't treat them worse than 42 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:35.159 you treat other businesses. Right. And so we're in court 43 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:39.000 right now arguing about it. The State of Ohio's and 44 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:43.039 amicus uh and UH first Liberty I think is actually 45 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:47.120 representing uh Dad's place. But the way we got an 46 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:51.159 appeals court tissue a stay and uh, we'll continue to 47 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.080 talk about that. But the reason why I think this 48 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.759 is important to your listeners. You know, Cincinnati is one 49 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:59.080 of our great has one of our great Catholic populations, 50 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:03.800 uh in the United States. And I was just asked 51 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.680 to get involved in a case out of Wisconsin that's 52 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:13.280 headed for probably the Supreme Court, where Wisconsin is saying, hey, 53 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:17.080 you know, yeah, all that God stuff is good. Yeah, 54 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:20.439 you got First Amendment rights on that. But if you 55 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:24.439 take it so far as going out and trying to 56 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:27.719 do the homeless or you know, feed the hungry, you know, 57 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:31.680 that's not religion anymore. That's social work and you're not protected. 58 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:32.400 Wow. 59 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:35.280 And so in other words, why would the Attorney General 60 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.759 care about Dad's place in Brian, Ohio? Does it say 61 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:44.240 something larger about other difficulties practicing faiths in America? Is 62 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.120 that the main reason you're doing because I would think 63 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:48.680 when Dad's place showed up, here comes the Attorney General 64 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:52.560 to Brian Ohio, but the storefront ecumenical church that people 65 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:53.919 were saying, what the hell is David. 66 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:57.520 Yo's doing here? Well, that's exactly the point. If the 67 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:01.120 government is allowed to tell you what is religious and 68 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:04.039 what's not, that you're allowed to preach, but you're not 69 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:07.240 allowed to feed the hungry. You know, you can, you know, 70 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.879 celebrate the Lord's Supper, but you know, we get to 71 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.199 talk about whether you know you're allowed to house the 72 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:20.839 homeless and give them shelter. Then the power to regulate 73 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.879 is the power to destroy. And we don't have a 74 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:29.120 First Amendment anymore. At that point, religion becomes something that 75 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:31.879 you have to do in pipe private and wash your 76 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:32.800 hands afterward. 77 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.439 So you're involved in that. Hopefully it'll set a larger 78 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:39.199 point on the second issue I want to go over 79 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:42.279 with you. And recently, about a week ago, our Governor 80 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:46.480 Mike DeWine signed into law a so called bill that 81 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:50.720 wasn't shall we say, transgender hospitals and bathrooms. And there's 82 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:53.800 two different issues there, and one is a bathroom bill, 83 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:56.600 the other one is transgender rights. And I just happened. 84 00:04:56.600 --> 00:04:59.120 In preparation for the interview this afternoon. I went on 85 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.600 the website this morning of Children's Hospital in Cincinnati, and 86 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.319 they have a statement right there that we follow Ohio 87 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:08.319 law and we do not do puberty blockers. We don't 88 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:12.319 do hormonal replacement, we don't do surgeries because of a 89 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:14.720 law recently passed by the state of Ohio. There was 90 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:18.079 some I think regret that Children's Hospital couldn't do it, 91 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:22.279 but nonetheless it applies to Cincinnati nationwide. Can you explain 92 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:25.120 to the American people as we sit here this Wednesday afternoon, 93 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:29.160 what is the law relative to teenage girls fourteen or 94 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:33.240 fifteen having double mass sectomies and having hysterectomies, And what 95 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:35.360 is the law now but a thirteen year old boy 96 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:39.879 having his testicles removed chemically and having his penis removed, 97 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:41.920 and what is the law, which I think is the 98 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:45.920 whole thing is sick. It's ridiculous, especially when England about 99 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:47.879 a week ago, said we're out of the business of 100 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:52.360 puberty blockers. This Scandinavian country said this isn't working. We've stopped. 101 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:54.720 We're in the beginning of this process. So can you 102 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.639 explain to the American people. We have a great children's 103 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:01.040 hospital here, Cincinnati's Children's respect is the best in the 104 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.480 whole nation. But when it comes to puberty blockers and 105 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:08.639 hormonal surgery and double mass sectomies for thirteen year old girls, 106 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:10.680 I draw the line. What is the law of Tony 107 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:11.519 Bender wants to know. 108 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:16.319 Well, the line is about where you would like to 109 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:20.759 draw it, Bill, And let me say, I'm glad to 110 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:24.240 hear that Cincinnati Children's, which was an opponent of this 111 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:29.079 law and when it was in the legislature, is publicly 112 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:32.079 saying that they want to comply. That's good for them, 113 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:38.000 that's a good thing. The law now says that if 114 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:43.639 you're under eighteen, you can't do anything permanent medically about 115 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:49.199 gender transition, quote unquote. That's kind of the top line 116 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:51.399 you could still have. You know, you can still go 117 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.519 to mental health counseling, you can still talk to a pastor, 118 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:57.959 you know, so it doesn't reach that. But we're drawing 119 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:00.360 the line at things that are going to chang your 120 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:06.199 body permanently or even potentially permanently. So chemicals and you know, 121 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:13.519 endocrine therapy, hormone therapy. Certainly chopping body parts off is 122 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:16.040 no you gotta wait till you're eighteen to do that. 123 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.759 And so if you're twenty or twenty five or nineteen 124 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.839 or thirty eight, and you have your wits about you 125 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:26.079 and you're a woman, you want to double mass sect 126 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:28.680 to me hysterectomy. You're a man, and you want to 127 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.759 have your testicles cut off and other body parts removed, 128 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:35.079 and you can do that, correct, am I? Do I 129 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:35.639 have that right? 130 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:40.680 It's a free country, and the legislature has not, you know, 131 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:43.879 attempted to regulate that, all right, nor in my views 132 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:44.360 should they. 133 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.680 No. No, I can't imagine having an argument today that 134 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:49.680 if you're a fifteen year old girl and you want 135 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.839 to double mass sectomy in a hysterectomy because you think 136 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:57.079 you're a boy, that somehow society would say, well, that's okay. 137 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:00.480 Let me play devil's advocate. Let's say the mom and 138 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:04.240 the dad loved their daughter slash son, and they want 139 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:07.839 a live daughter instead of a dead son. That's the 140 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.399 bumper sticker, which makes sense on the surface, but look below, 141 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:13.519 it doesn't make any sense. But let's say that the 142 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.399 mom and dad say we want this done. The treating 143 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:19.839 physician says this is required for the mental health. We 144 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:22.879 got to cut off a penis for mental health, and 145 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:25.800 then the hospital says we'll do it. Who in the 146 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.120 hell is David Yost and the people of Ohisa. 147 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:28.879 You can't do that. 148 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:31.839 I'll play Devil's advocate. Can you answer that question? 149 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.240 Yeah, well you know what the answer is, because I've 150 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:38.919 heard you get it. We protect children while they're developing 151 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:42.200 on all kinds of things. You can't go into the 152 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:49.240 military and final war when you're sixteen. You can't buy beer, alcohol, cigarettes, cannabis. 153 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:52.919 You can't get a tattoo without your parents' permission. You 154 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:57.519 can't vote even with your parents' permission. And that's because 155 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:02.600 people are under eighteen. Plenty over eighteen, but under eighteen 156 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:05.519 you're still growing up. You don't make good judgment calls, 157 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:08.639 and you don't know who or what you're going to 158 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:12.600 be when you're an adult. It's a tumultuous time. And 159 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:15.720 of course the state has a right and an obligation 160 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:17.799 in my view, to protect kids. 161 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:20.919 Well, that's true, and I point out that what happened 162 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.639 to Madison, Wisconsin a few days ago. I watched this 163 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:28.799 morning on CNN, the fifteen year old girl at a 164 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:33.919 firing range shooting ar fifteen's with her father's permission, also 165 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:37.840 shooting I think the murder weapon, the nine millimeter, and 166 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:41.720 fifteen year old girl who was not transgender but had 167 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:45.639 severe mental difficulties, had posted online all kind of weird 168 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:49.159 stuff about killing boys and killing men and that women 169 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:53.159 have to take over society. Hear idols were two guys, 170 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:56.879 the nineteen ninety nine Columbine nick named Harrison Cleebold. Those 171 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:59.559 two guys shot up Columbine High School. She was wearing 172 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:04.120 parafe area that celebrated the murder of students. And I'm 173 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:06.360 watching this going on, and I'm thinking, well, this has 174 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:09.720 happened in Ohio. It happened north of here. It's going 175 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:12.240 to happen again. It happened in Butler County where a 176 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:16.840 student got off track, got off an emotional never never land, 177 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.320 and thought it was their duty to kill fellow students, 178 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:21.960 or in this case, kill boys and men. And so 179 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:25.320 as the attorney general. And also I'm listening to the 180 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:27.440 radical left telling us, and we need more laws, so 181 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:29.480 we don't we have enough laws on the books. I 182 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:32.120 guess carrying guns if you're fifteen years old in the 183 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.879 school must be legal, because they say we need laws. 184 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:38.720 As the chief law enforcement officer, can you conjure up 185 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:41.519 some law that we could put on the books that 186 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.840 would stop a mentally troubled, emotionally disturbed fifteen year old 187 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:50.679 girl who is posting online nasty things about boys and men. Allegedly, 188 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:52.879 at least before it was taken down. The police have 189 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.279 not confirmed that in Madison, but the posting seems to 190 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.919 be hers, and that she lived in a dysfunctional house 191 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:01.559 in which the the husband and the wife had been 192 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:04.360 married to different partners, who was split between two households, 193 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:06.840 had every excuse to go off the rails. Is there 194 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:08.919 any new law we could pass that would stop this 195 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:10.320 from happening ahead of time? 196 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:15.600 Until you can figure out how to pass the law 197 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:21.720 that cures a human heart that's damaged, I don't know 198 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:25.919 how you do that. Honestly, we have laws. You're not 199 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:29.279 eight kids, You're not allowed to take guns to school. Okay, 200 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:35.279 that's against the law. Let's start there. But at the 201 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.840 end of the day, I think it's important, at least 202 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:41.759 on this segment where we're talking about kids going off 203 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:44.039 the rails in their schools, because they're the ones that 204 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:48.799 have the easiest access to the schools. I think it's 205 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:53.960 time for us to realize that forgive me the baby 206 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:59.000 boomers libertine approach to life, Their hedonistic approach to life, 207 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:03.960 where they're treating their children as though they're fully formed adults, 208 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:09.279 able to make all of their own decisions, entitled to substantial, 209 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:15.120 robust privacy, is a failure. This is not the way 210 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:21.159 any society operates throughout history. Parents have an obligation to 211 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:24.480 society as well to their as to their own children 212 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:27.519 to raise them. And I mean saying no, you're not 213 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:31.039 going to do that. No, you don't get privacy. Give 214 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:32.840 me your phone. I'm going to see what you're doing. 215 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:37.320 And I just encourage all the people within the sound 216 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.799 of our voices to not buy into this notion that 217 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:43.600 you ought to treat your fifteen year old son or 218 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.279 daughter the same way you will treat your twenty year 219 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:50.879 old son or daughter. There's an eternity between those five years, 220 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:54.240 and there's a difference in your legal and moral duties, 221 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.759 your ethical duties if you dislike the word moral in 222 00:12:59.320 --> 00:12:59.840 how you act. 223 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:04.919 David Yost couldn't have said it better. And somehow I 224 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:07.320 think even twenty year old men and women are not 225 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.879 men and women by the two. I think a male 226 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.279 doesn't develop to the twenty five or thirty years old. 227 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:15.639 That's a different issue. Lastly, the big issue in Cincinnati 228 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.840 right now, you're a big wig in Columbus, is is homelessness. 229 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:23.919 I'm looking at an order signed on August sixteen, twenty eighteen, 230 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:27.559 State of Ohio Extral Joseph T. Dieters versus the City 231 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:30.840 of Cincinnati, in which we have a terrible homeless problem 232 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:34.200 here that exacerbated itself with the burning down of I 233 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:37.879 four seventy one. People are going nuts. And this order 234 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:42.120 of consent decree says the City Cincinnati Police and Health Departments, 235 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:44.840 upon the request for its assistance by the Sheriff's Office 236 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:49.600 and other shall remove any existing or future encampments on 237 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:54.519 any unlicensed park. Campground does no running water or toilet facilities, 238 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:57.360 and other requirements is defined by statute. So I'm holding 239 00:13:57.440 --> 00:13:59.440 this order, which is now what about six years six 240 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:01.559 and a half years old, that says the City of 241 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.879 Cincinnati is ordered to remove homeless encampments. And right now, 242 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.799 as I speak, there are dozens of homeless encampments under 243 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:14.440 bridges and public parks, including in Mount Washington, that should 244 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:17.080 not be. There is there any role for the Attorney 245 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:17.840 general in this. 246 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.519 Well. I would have to look at the specific laws 247 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:26.159 that that order cites to be able to give you 248 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:28.080 a definitive legal answer. 249 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:28.960 I'll send it to you. 250 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:33.919 But look, but look, this is Cincinnati's issue, and if 251 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:39.960 Cincinnati wants to tolerate an administration that ignores a court orders, 252 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.600 that is a local problem. That is not something where 253 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:46.840 Columbus ought to be coming in and dictating to the 254 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:52.639 local town. My question is, what the heck's going on 255 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:53.600 down there? 256 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:53.360 Now? 257 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:58.960 Where's the prosecutor, where's the city council? Do you lack 258 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:03.919 the courage to do what you've been ordered to do? 259 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:08.600 But I really don't think that we want to live 260 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:12.039 in a state where Columbus is going to swoop in 261 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:16.840 like you know, some kind of Demi god and order 262 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:19.919 all the local folks how to run their lives. We 263 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:22.679 don't like that when Washington tries to do it to us. 264 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:26.240 I'm not really eager to try to do that to 265 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:29.360 our local cities. And you know what, I know a 266 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:32.039 lot of the people there. I think they're good hearted people, 267 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:34.080 they're smart. Don't get this, They'll get this. 268 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.120 Right, I hope I hope down the road we actually 269 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:38.480 follow the law. But city council acts as if this 270 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:41.120 is a brand new problem, it's never existed before, and 271 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:42.720 what do we do with homeless And the fact is 272 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:45.080 there's an order saying what to do, and they ignore 273 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:49.600 it because it's politically inconvenient. David Yost, Attorney General, Merry Christmas, 274 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:52.159 Happy New Year, thanks for setting the people straight on 275 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.679 homelessness and so much more. And thank you for coming 276 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.799 on the Bill Cunningham Show and David Yost will do 277 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:57.960 it again. Thank you very much. 278 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:00.080 Merry Christmas, my train. 279 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.080 Christmas all let's continue with more. It's amazing how when 280 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:08.000 laws or shall we say, non political in the sense, 281 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:09.879 this is what you must do, whether you like it 282 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:13.000 or not, Liberals and Democrats ignore the law when it 283 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.559 doesn't fit their political ideology, but when it does fit 284 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:18.759 the law, then they go nuts. On this case, we 285 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:20.799 have a clear law that says they can't do this. 286 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:24.559 They're ordered to remove the homeless homeless camps immediately, and 287 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:27.639 they refuse to do so, and someone I'm maybe having 288 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:29.639 another lawyer later on and talk about what to do 289 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:31.279 in this case. But this is not the way things 290 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:34.440 ought to be. Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham, News 291 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:39.320 Radio seven hundred WLW. All right, Dave hit the music. 292 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:43.200 Here we go. Another journey in broadcast supervity is underway 293 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:47.799 with Bed McKay after one o'clock today. We scheduled Michael 294 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.559 McDonald to be here of the Catholic League about what's happening, 295 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:52.720 what a great year it's been. When I do my 296 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.720 national type interviews, I find out that Cincinnati is in 297 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:58.720 great shape compared to the rest of the world, and 298 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:01.480 that America, because of what happened November fifth and the 299 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:06.400 electoral vote and most states was yesterday, is in wonderful 300 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:08.440 shape compared to what we could have been, should have been, 301 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.720 might have been the road not taken. Imagine if cackling 302 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.880 Kamala became the president, and how would the world look 303 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.359 in Washington look at that point. It'd be frightening, it 304 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.440 to be scary, which brings up this point. I listen 305 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:24.279 to your good friend of mine, Brian Combs, who I 306 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:28.279 hired and sired many years ago, and he points out 307 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:32.400 the city council continues to grapple with the issue of homelessness, 308 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.799 which isn't an issue of homelessness is an issue of 309 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:37.079 mental health. It's an issue of drug use, it's an 310 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.359 issue of alcoholism, along with the inability to control one's 311 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:44.400 own inclinations, and the fact that it takes a few 312 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.759 bucks to have your own, your own apartments, your own home, 313 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:50.960 whatever it might be. And there's a chunk, maybe half 314 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:54.000 forty percent. I remember my good friend Buddy Gray would 315 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:56.680 tell me there's about a third need help, about a 316 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:58.839 third would get help if required to get help, and 317 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.559 the other third don't want any help at all because 318 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.839 they like the lifestyle, and they like being mascots. They 319 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:07.440 like being pandered to and exploited. They like the fact 320 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:10.920 that people are caring for them. That's just the way 321 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:12.920 it is. And we're not talking about large numbers. We're 322 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:16.240 not talking about fifty thousand or five thousand, maybe not 323 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:18.640 even five hundred, more like one to two hundred. That 324 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:22.000 is destroying city life. And we cannot permit this thing 325 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:25.319 to metastasize like it has in Chicago and other places 326 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:27.920 in which there's hundreds or thousands of tents all over 327 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:34.319 Hell's half Acre Downtown Cincinnati. The Downtown Council, CBC three, 328 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:38.759 c DC, the corporations, the companies, the charities, they want 329 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.319 none of this, can't have it. It's wrong, it's bad 330 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:42.960 for them and it's bad for us. 331 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:43.759 And so. 332 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.559 There was an order entered, and I'm going to pursue 333 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.359 this on your behalf as a listener of mine with 334 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:54.880 the current prosecutor's Melissa powers, and you can imagine a 335 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:57.200 many county prosecutor's office is going to flip in about 336 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.279 two and a half three weeks. I think it's the 337 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:03.079 first week in January that Connie Pilach will takeover. I'm 338 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:05.200 going to as a great American, I'm going to reach 339 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:07.799 out to Connie Pilich directly and talk with her and 340 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.720 see what I can do on your behalf. But this 341 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.000 lawsuit was filed and determined some six and a half 342 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:16.880 years ago in which the City of Cincinnati, which is 343 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:20.680 a body politic that means it's an ongoing enterprise. It 344 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:22.680 doesn't stop when a new mayor comes in or a 345 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.279 new council or a new city manager. It's a body politic. 346 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.200 It continues. I think it began like in I know, 347 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.759 almost seventeen eighty eight. It's been around a long time. 348 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.400 Lusandeville was the name of Cincinnati in the beginning, and 349 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:38.960 they signed a consent decree which they agreed to this 350 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:42.440 this wasn't well litigated in a sense, but they agreed 351 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:46.400 what to do, which is that the City of Cincinnati 352 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:51.640 and its Police Division and its public health officials agreed 353 00:19:52.200 --> 00:20:00.960 to clear out homeless camps as they materialize, immediately, instantly done. 354 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.759 And I'm reading this order put together by Judge Ruhlman, 355 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.279 and by the way, Judge Patrick Tinkelocker is now in charge. 356 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:12.200 The order talks about how health requirements demand that this 357 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:17.880 occurred because you can't urinate, fornicate, and defecate outside underneath bridges. 358 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:20.200 There could be a problem under a bridge on a 359 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:23.160 warm on a warm night, you might I'm sorry, in 360 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:26.279 a cold night to get warm. Absolutely, that says the 361 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:30.079 illegal encampments are mobile and are a moving nuisance that 362 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.240 constitute a hazard to the health and safety of the 363 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:37.200 general public, including those living in these illegal encampments. With 364 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:41.519 all the legal ees. It goes for eight pages long, 365 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:44.960 and it essentially says that the city is under an 366 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:49.920 ongoing daily duty to clear out the homeless encampments immediately. 367 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:53.599 It is further ordered the City of Cincinnati Police and 368 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.440 Health departments, upon the request for assistance from the Hamlety 369 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:01.440 County Sheriff Ermaine McGuffey, and through law means calls the 370 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:06.200 immediate removal of any existing or future encampments on any 371 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:12.039 unlicensed park camp, street overpass, park camp that has no 372 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:15.799 running water or toilet facilities and other requirements set forth 373 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:19.119 in thirty seven oh one point twenty five, also those 374 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:23.279 that exist on private land irrespectively in the City of 375 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:26.920 Cincinnati in Hamleton County. So this applies in Dent as 376 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.319 well as it applies in Madeira as well as it 377 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:34.319 applies in Cincinnati. And this order is permanent and shall 378 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:37.640 be enforced by the city's Cincinnati Police Division. So this 379 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:41.440 hand ringing, we don't know what to do. Evan Nolan, 380 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:43.880 one of the new council members Seth appears to be 381 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:47.799 well intended. What are we going to do? Read the order? 382 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:50.519 What you have to do? Because this city is an 383 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:54.880 ongoing municipal enterprise, has agreed to do this already and 384 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.000 this isn't an optional thing. Do we want to do it? 385 00:21:57.039 --> 00:21:58.519 Do we not want to do it? What do you think? 386 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:05.559 It is? Judgment entry order and permanent injunction. And because 387 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.559 the time six and a half years agoing by this 388 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:11.839 isn't subject to appeal or understanding. This is in order 389 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:15.880 to in effect, as the great American speaks, do it now. 390 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:21.000 Tell Chief Thiji, make copies of this order, send it 391 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:24.440 to everyone, and we must do it now. I had 392 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:28.279 on the other day one of the great attorneys to 393 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:33.079 discuss what do you do when parties to a lawsuit 394 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.359 do not shall we say behave properly and in fact 395 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:40.920 ignore completely what the order says and what it doesn't say, 396 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:43.799 and what your duties and responsibilities are. You know what 397 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:47.559 I'm saying, you have to perform in doing these things. 398 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:50.119 Chris Finnie was with me a few days ago and 399 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:53.079 he said, they're looking at it. I spoke to another attorney, 400 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:56.440 Kurt Hartman, who's of counsel with Chris Finnie, and here's 401 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:58.839