Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Rings
of Power Reviews, whatever you call it. This is the
season two finale, taking you from Taylor because we're going
quick and I need to get that thumb nail going
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Speaker 2: I am the Man of many names, kirklem Paths.
Speaker 3: Hey, my name is Dylan the Grand Dalf taylor Field.
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out that day. Dyl Muss, what did you think about
the ending of season two for Rings of Power?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: How did I feel about the ending of Rings of Power?
I feel like it's but as rushed as your intro there,
you know, you're really just trying to get through it all,
just trying to cram it all in there. I going
into this finale after last week. I was like, Okay,
I know that a lot of this stuff is going
to be passed over really quick, you know, even if
it's a longer episode, which it was.
Speaker 3: It was like one ten, right.
Speaker 5: I just knew that we were going to be rushing
through quite a lot of things, and it felt that
way because of course you're going to at screen time
with every single character and storyline and kind and try
and wrap everything up nicely. I had a fun time
with the episode, actually, I did enjoy it, but I
do think there's a lot of things that are just
it feels like there was definitely an episode missing between
the last episode and this one in terms of particularly a.
Speaker 3: A couple of storylines.
Speaker 5: I'll just say I'll leave it at that for non
spoilers purposes. So it definitely felt like we skipped over
some things there and then yeah, just a couple of
things resolve a bit too quickly in my mind. But
also it doesn't feel like there's much of a resolution
to almost anything at the end of the season as well.
It feels very much like, oh yeah, this is season
two of a five season series. So yeah, I had
a good enough time with it. Nothing too bad in here.
I think I always come back to like writing and
sometimes acting are things that get dinged points for me
on this show, and I don't think there was any
of those things that I would ding this week.
Speaker 3: So it was pretty decent overall.
Speaker 1: Mis Fields.
Speaker 4: Just field no sor no s no s definitely not
h Yes, I think that you're right, Dell in This
episode was rushed. There was a lot of storylines that
were going on, and just for one episode, that one
hour ish Mark just kind.
Speaker 6: Of cap it all off.
Speaker 4: It's it's not ideal, But that being said, as messy
as something's kind of were throughout this season, where we
got to here, I feel I feel pretty content and
pretty happy about it. It sets up some more turmoil
obviously the things to come our way, so that definitely
has me excited. But I there's one thing in particular
with one of our characters that we had occurred that
I did not like. It was not for me, really
really pulled me out of it. That aside, I think
everything else is it was pretty great. The stuff going
on with Calibrimbore and and and irigion was pretty wild
and just fucking nuts, So that's that's cool. And yeah,
I just I think that, Yeah, someone else take it.
That's a spoiler. So I don't have that Chelse to
say other than I really I did enjoy the episode.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Well, I have to take it because Kirkland's gone,
so he just wanted to be last. But yeah, I'm
pretty much in sync with you guys. I think overall,
I still enjoyed the episode. I'd give it a thumbs up, so,
which is good because this season was pretty rocky for me.
It was a steady climb up, which is good. So
it's ending on a pause. And note, like Dylan said,
this is supposed to be five seasons, so I get it.
There's lots of stuff even last week where like how
will they do this? How will they do this? And
the answer is they won't and it's fine because they
are doing more seasons, and that's fine. I think they
had some multiple fan services in there, so I guess
you get that for you know, kind of maybe general
audiences or people wanting some payoffs, so you have that
going on. I actually, you know, like the majority of
the mini fights we had going on here. Yeah, there's
some developments I like happening. I agree to you. I
think I know what moment's talking about and really not
a not a fan of that moment. That that's the
thing with this show. And I think there's even one
thing in the middle too, I'm excited to talk about
or intrigued to talk about, because I'm not sure how
I feel. I think it's just kind of maybe it's
I won't say that, I was gonna say for every
you know, good choice or is a bad choice. I
don't think is that. Maybe it's more like a two
to one comparison where there'll be two things where're like, oh,
I like that, and there's just one thing that stands like,
oh like this doesn't flow out the story, or I
don't think this matches with the character, or just kind
of I won't say dumb, that sounds mean, but just
it doesn't play exactly right. And I think this season
suffered from that a lot more than last season. Not
sure what that is. I'm hoping, you know, minor sports.
I feel like some of these storylines are getting condensed
together next year or next season, so I hope that
will maybe help. Is not being spread so thin like
butter over a toast. But yeah, so overall it ends
on a positive note. But I definitely don't think I'm
as excited as it was in season one, was like,
oh I can't wait for me. That was a hype finale,
the not doom, the starm reveal everything, where now it's like, Okay,
I kind of get where we're going and I'm not
too invested or I'm not invested as I'd like to be,
but I still enjoyed my time with it. And it
wasn't last week. We're last week again. That's where I'm
still excited for the show, because last week I think
was if not, my favorite episode in the top three.
So I know it can't get there at times. But uh, yeah,
it's not a finale. It's gonna be something in like
a year. You guys will have to remind me on
or I'll have to think hard, like okay, what happened
right that happened? Uh? And again I think this it's
gonna be tough because there's just certain storylines you just
you can't really pay off because some of them pay
off and lower the ring. So it's like a very
tighte like like small tight rope. They gotta walk in
between of like not going to a certain point, but
then you also gotta feel fulfilled. So I don't know,
but that's where I am so a little mixed to
mixed a positive i'd say pirkle.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, uh, I think overall I would pass
this up episode for sure, and to end the season off.
It's nice to not just feel deflated, I think by
the end of the season and just going towards season
three not I don't know. Having some intrigue going forward
is always always nice. But I feel like I have
a similar feeling now that I did at the end
of season one, where like now that I'm just looking
back on it, it's just like, man, they made some
missteps in my mind, and I don't know, I'm able
to just like look at it and really just be
disappointed that they have even made the decision to go
down certain plot routes because I just think, in hindsight,
it's such a waste of time, like we could have
spent so much more time with some interesting parts in
the show, and to me, I feel like that is
like major knocks off because it's just trying to put
too much food in your mouth and you're just choking
on the product instead of being able to savor it.
And that's how it felt at like it's worse for me,
and I think this episode didn't have a lot of
those moments, but it's just it was like, oh, yeah, right,
I kind of forgot about this plot point because it
wasn't in maybe like last last week's episode, and it's
just like, holy fuck, I do not care about this
at all. But you know, we'll get there when we
get there. But there's definitely still some some good juice
in here. There's even some good juice about certain things
that I didn't like because they deviated from the story.
But I'm just like, fuck, I hate that. I don't
that I like this because this is just like a
good performance or like, you know, some good lines being dropped,
and I'm like, I shouldn't like this, my lower junkie
and me shouldn't like this, but I do because it's
just it's well done.
Speaker 2: So visuals.
Speaker 7: I feel like this episode maybe had the most visual
moments where I'm like, wow, that actually doesn't look that great,
like cgi background, like it didn't look as polished. There's
a beautiful, dark thing that happens in this episode that
just like holy fuck eye candy for sure, But I
think near the end not really spoilers, but there's just
some bright stuff that's going on, and I think whenever
you have like the high saturation going on, the CGI
is just like really noticeable. But I'm kind of splitting
hairs here. I think overall it is still a positive
way to end the season off.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, I am.
Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to to where we're going because a
lot of the stuff that we're kind of leading off
in I actually am not very familiar on. So I
think that'll actually help my overall enjoyment because whenever it's like, Okay,
I think I know where we're going story wise, and
then it deviates, it's like, oh okay, yeah, we're jumping
across and then again the Lord JUNKIEMI is just not
a big fan of certain things going on.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, let's just jump into it.
Speaker 1: There we go, We're gonna jump, we're gonna get froggy,
and we'll be right back and we're back. Where do
we want to go?
Speaker 5: Maybe this could be a couple of quick notes here,
but maybe just get like some of this newmanor sealed.
Speaker 3: Door and stuff out of the way.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 5: This, and I feel like because when I was watching
the sequence I could just feel the dust gathering in
my eyes and getting a bit sleepy as I was
watching it.
Speaker 3: But so Ellen deal, who's the sealed Door's father? Right,
He's he left?
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell if he had already left like the
island of Numore in like that final shot when he's
looking back.
Speaker 3: When he's looking back, what is he even looking at?
Speaker 7: He's looking at like the capital of New Minor, like
where he was. And then because he mentions.
Speaker 3: To it looked like it was like on fire. I
was like, what's going on?
Speaker 7: Yeah, because they're like rating right, they're like like probably
burning down like the Faithful shrines and like just like
kicking the doors and ripping people out of their homes.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 7: The whole city is not like being raised, but it's
just like there's flames in the streets, especially I imagine
there's like districts in the town that are like really
heavy faithful, so they're probably just.
Speaker 2: Burning down those homes and stuff.
Speaker 7: And maybe if you know, we didn't spend time with
some hardfoots, we could have actually focused on some new
memory and stuff, so we could have detailed exactly what's
going on.
Speaker 2: In that, but also the Newmorian stuff wasn't even that great, so.
Speaker 5: I don't even know if I want Yeah, yeah, but
and then what is where is a seal He's on
a boat a sealed door.
Speaker 3: At the end of this is he going back?
Speaker 2: He's going back to New Minor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a place you want to be right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Like, are him and going to cross paths or
do they.
Speaker 7: Just definitely continue to be because is going to see
an arion Now I'm glad that he actually mentioned that name.
Speaker 2: I got pretty excited about that.
Speaker 7: But he's going like west on the Island, so okay,
leaving the island of no Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 1: I think my prediction is season three finale, that's when
they mate back up. That's what I think is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: You're probably right.
Speaker 1: I just feel like this show has certain ways, and
that's what they'll have spent a whole season apart. And
can we throw a seal door into this New Minor
stuff too? Because I don't have much say. They're like, yeah,
like the arondeer is you know, adopted son or whatever,
the fact that they hug and they're just like, oh,
this journey we've been on together. It's like we see
them like twice this season end. To me, it wasn't
that for much.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: At first it was like a like tension, like can
we trust each other sort of deal, right, and then
it was like, I guess we're together. Like I did
not feel even we had another goodbye in this episode
that I feel like a bit more emotional for, but
not as much as I wanted to same thing here.
It's like this is not earned at all, this whole
all we've we've grown together and nit Dad so everything
from a seal door to numon or even though I
got a good laugh out of when she gives was
the Silver's stead again, Lindil lind deal, I laugh when
she gave that sword and they literally just redid the
shot from Return the Kings where erion I'm like, there
is that and then.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I loved it. Though I loved.
Speaker 1: It, even the Hobbit speech at the end, I was like,
all right, I get it, You're doing Sam's speech from
Two Towers. Like I felt like there was a lot
of force awakens isms in this episode of like, yeah,
remember you know that Peter Jackson trilogy And I was like, ah,
I don't think you can call upon that here. So
but yeah, I it's kind of consistent for me the
whole season. I think again this episode, there's just multiple
actors that are just not great in the Newman or stuff.
I think it's a little intriguing at least, like the
Still Doors going back to a place that he doesn't
he doesn't know what's going on. So there could be
something there for that character next season to hopefully be
smart and rise up and has some urgency and me
to care about this character and maybe he helps people
out there in need, whatever it is, like, I hope
he goes back there and there's something to give him
to do and not he's like a prisoner that his
dad has to.
Speaker 2: Say at some point ninety. I am confident that's gonna
be the case. I know.
Speaker 1: That's my one hope is maybe he gets a hero
arc next season. But so there's there's intrigue there, But
I don't trust the execution because some of the new
More stuff to me either's just been bad or I
just haven't been invested in any of this. I don't
think they've given it the time and then the time
we have gone there. Even in this episode, it just
feels just like the sild or given that guy hug
just feels like we're missing pieces or episodes of did
I miss something? I was like, no, they didn't know
each other that long, but they had a hug. And
I guess that kid's on his own now, which again
Tylor asked me a couple epscotes to go, who would
I cut? Like, I hope that's kind of the end
of him for a bit. You know, he's just hanging
out in his homestead and that's it, because what else
do we need to see that kid character now? You know, like,
what else does he give to the plot? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I did love the moment though, when our far Zarn's
son comes to this outpost to kind of pretty much
take it over and be like, hey, we're just gonna
make this like a new minor war outpost and like
we don't really give a shit if you disagree with
that idea. And so he's there and interacts with the
sealed door, and I love that sequence when a seal
door is like, ah, yes, I haven't seen you in
so long, and then he's talking to his friends. He's like, ah,
back in neumanor my you know, my father's head of
the guard and saying all this stuff, and the guy's like, oh,
the tables have turned. Your father is actually exiled and
now my father is in control.
Speaker 3: I just thought that was so funny, just like this reality.
Speaker 5: Slimming back to him because he's been gone for months
or years or wherever long it's been.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Newman Norse, I think across the board has
been mostly disappointing for me. I think this episode was
probably the most intrigued I've been all this whole season,
just because it like they're getting straight to just burning
down like the Faithfuls like belief, Like you know, we
already seen them burn the shrine, but now they're actually
like kicking in the doors and like arresting people, and
it's just it's just like turned up, like to an
extreme limit. I didn't like the build up of it
because it just seemed kind of cheesy, especially you know,
brought up the Eagles in the past, but it's just
like I didn't like the whole execution of that, and
I like that we just kind of okay, let's just
let's just get right to it, and now we're now
we're actually ripping people out of their homes and it's
just heating up. So I am excited to jump into
next season and see where Numnor's at, even though I
didn't love the new Minorian stuff in this season, just
because I am expecting somewhat of a time jump to
see what the rule shift has been. Although we have
I don't know, we also haven't maybe focused in certain areas.
Speaker 2: That I would have wanted new Minor.
Speaker 7: I am really looking forward to seeing an Aaryan that, like, man,
just I'm so hyped about that. It's a character that
I really don't know too much about, Like I haven't
really read about him in the in the books.
Speaker 2: Mostly just like a situation.
Speaker 7: It could be it very much could be so high expectations,
but I don't know. I'm I was let down by
a sealed door, so it could very much happen about
an Arian. But uh, yeah, I'm I'm just excited to
get like a len Deal's interaction with him, and yeah
you you you brought up like the comparisons with the
Peter Jackson I agree with, like the Andy lines, it
seems I don't think it was Norri's line. It might
have been Tom Bombadil or Gandalf at the end, like
I swear they said one line.
Speaker 2: I can't even remember what it was.
Speaker 7: It felt like exactly what they said like in the
Fellowship or something.
Speaker 5: The Bumba line was like almost equivalent to like the
Wizard never doesn't arrive early. D Any means to you
had a very similar cadence that he was talking about that.
Speaker 2: I think it was another one too.
Speaker 1: It was like, because it's when Gandalf comes back in
Two Towers. It's like Gandalf is a Gandalf. That's what
you called what it was, and that and that's what
they'll call me, and that's like that's again. It's a
weird situation where it's like you're not like that's not
you're not a part of that. Like I get it.
You can do they can do that. They can make
those illusions. I think my problem is.
Speaker 3: Dare you stand where you stood?
Speaker 1: It starts to feel like fan filmy in a way
where it's like, well, we don't have the right side.
It's like that's something we would do because like, well
we can't make the rights, but we want to elude. Hey,
we're making this fan film. So it's just there was
like that I didn't even catch the bombda on. So
it's like five instances where it's like kind of ripped,
like like riffing on the Jackson trilogy. And it's just
it's just I don't need them to say exact lines
that they're gonna say thousands of years later.
Speaker 4: Again, well they did that with in the first season,
right like when like a doubt always follow your nose.
And then the last episode they like Bombadil Bombadil tells Gandolf.
Speaker 6: And I saw a comparison to this.
Speaker 4: Bumbaddo tells them like these who deserve to die live
and those who live deserve deaths or whatever, like the
goalm speech.
Speaker 6: That's exactly it the same.
Speaker 7: I can't remember I was last episode of this episode.
I'm mixing on them all all together now. But when
he mentions pity and he's like.
Speaker 3: Pity, pity is what stayed Bilbo's blade, it's like.
Speaker 7: The yahout like they talk and like, yeah, it's very similar.
But I feel like this episode had more of those
comparisons than any other, so just really stood out. But
all that being said, I loved when he pulled out
in nar Hill and it's just like the total I
don't know, like it is like the exact same shot
Return of the King. But it's also like that's also
the sword that our king gets in Return of the King.
So I I just thought it was a really really
really cool moment, especially having it like in its original
form and like this is the first time a Lendial
is getting it. So I I was definitely eating up
that that that cheesy one.
Speaker 1: Just do something cool like make your own shot though, No,
but make your own cool shot. Don't make it just like, oh,
we're gonna play on that cool shot that we did
already without it.
Speaker 2: This is a fine sword, like.
Speaker 1: Nothing more than a broken blade. It's not broken, it's fine.
Speaker 6: But what is what is the sword like?
Speaker 3: Made from it?
Speaker 4: It's made from like is Alvin crafted? Like what makes the.
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure it was made by like a dwarf
from the first Age or like like an age and
angelic type character like it is. It's got a lot
of history, more so than just where we are right now.
Speaker 1: Sar On Nethrill. That's what I was made for.
Speaker 2: His blood more God's blood.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't really have much more than like us,
what's going on? And I guess we didn't see exactly
what happened to the queen, Like it was when we're
just cows over, she's just coughed and someone was kind
of reading her.
Speaker 1: She'll be in prison next year, and you know, so
go back and then they'll have a conversation. Even though
they're like starting to kill and execute people, why would
they keep her alive? I really don't know. I'm sure
they'll come with some bullshit reason, but yeah, she's gonna
be cancuffed, and yeah I did chuckle though.
Speaker 7: When our fire zone comes out, it's like we've been
looking into fine details and we finally figured.
Speaker 2: Out how she survived.
Speaker 7: And it's just like it's as if they're like, Okay,
how are we gonna figure out how we're gonna explain
this to our people? And they come out like, okay,
we finally figured it out. It was Saron that helped
them out. It's just like, oh my god, this is
so fucking dumb.
Speaker 1: I just feel like any character she should turn around
be like, well, it's sorrow that gave them some like
the eagle that can't. Like anytime someone just says it's
so on, everyone's like, oh, that person's cool.
Speaker 2: It's just the reason right, like, oh no, it's just
sour On and like I.
Speaker 1: Didn't cheat on you saw made me cheat on you? Yes,
you would do that.
Speaker 4: Someone sent that information to them, right, like it had
to have been the penant here?
Speaker 6: Is that what it was?
Speaker 2: Like, that's what ours On's just been slurping on with
his hand.
Speaker 7: And so so I don't think Saron has one right now,
but they could.
Speaker 2: They could very much just make it that.
Speaker 4: I just think it's where that it's his. I mean
obviously he's king, but it's his word against everyone else's, right, Like, oh,
I just present this document that says Souron and that
means that Soaron is the cause of everything. I just
assumed that it was like go Golad that sent out
letters to everyone like hey, Soaron is actually Halbrand and
you know you had Halbrand on numanor so watch out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It just like for me, it just seemed like why
even have her go through the trial if they're just
gonna like next episode like no, okay, you know that
didn't work.
Speaker 2: It was actually sad.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So it's like I thought that was a big
moment of like holy fuck, they thought that they were
so right. They make her do the trial and now
they're losing like the faith of the people because it's like,
oh my god, it actually is the Valar looking out
for her. And in this episode it's like, oh no, no, yeah,
we did some digging and it was Souron that did along.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh okay, and then they just arrest everyone.
Speaker 7: So I liked the moment of all the arresting, but
it's just like the reasoning for it. It's just wow, that's
pretty fucking lazy in my mind. But whatever, I guess
we're just moving on to next season and we'll play
like an arion and I hope I start liking more
of this New Minorian stuff. But yeah, very sloppy, I
think across the board.
Speaker 2: Like like last.
Speaker 7: Season it was the excitement of seeing Numanor for the
first time and like I just like the introduction of it.
But yeah, definitely, I don't know if it's like my
biggest drop off in disappointed or like of how would
you say that my biggest drop off from where I
was loving New Minor to where I am now, And
it's just like, man, that's very disappointing coming off of
last season. I don't think it's quite that because there
is something that I really didn't like.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Neumanir sucks.
Speaker 1: Numanor sucks well talking about what sucks because we're trying
to get some native stuff, by the way, and they
get into positives. Taylor, what was your sarn moment that
you did not enjoy? That I think we share, but
I just want to confirm.
Speaker 4: You know, it just brought a tear to my eye. Yeah,
watching it, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I just was not a fan. I like Surron cried
in this episode.
Speaker 4: I did not like it.
Speaker 6: Did not need to see that at all.
Speaker 4: And how I understand he's been isolated and alone with
Kelibrimbaorugh in this tower for a long time. They formed
like a bromance and it's just very passionate, heated and
intense this kinship. And I finally Keller Brimboo was at
Death's door doorstop doorstep and was calling Sarn out for
all this bullshit, and obviously he hit a nerve and
and and something inside Saron, and I don't like that.
I feel like Saron is not an emotional little adolescent
here like Soaron is.
Speaker 6: He's a fucking lieutenant.
Speaker 4: Of Morgoth right, Like this fucker has been through so
much shit, died so many times, come back, and he
should not be in this situation where he's emotionally compromised
because someone just calls him out like it just doesn't
make sense to me. He should be super composed and yeah,
I don't know. It just did not sit well with me,
and it totally pulled me out of that moment of
the character because when we first get introduced to this scene,
Keller Brimble with arrows and he's just being like target practice.
Speaker 1: Like two episodes in a row we got bor mirror victory.
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe this is fucking brutal, and then he
just like pins him up on this spear like it's
fucking crazy. Like but just the fact that they undid
all that with the crying really is shitty. I can
I can let it slide because of where it goes
after the fact. I really like the Sarah and stuff
after that, but just that one scene alone, that's that's
not my Sara on.
Speaker 1: I just think like, for me, I'm I don't like
it at all fronts because I disagree with you that
they build some sort of relationship. Like nine percent of
the time, he's just tricking the dude and lying to him.
So that's not like a real relation. Yeah he's that's
not a real he's just using him for greater means.
And then yeah, I'm supposed to believe that, Okay, he's
put like seventeen arrows into him, but he's gonna feel
a little bad, or I'm supposed to believe that, you know,
Calibrinborom's words are they get to him? But I just
didn't think it was anything that while we're in was like, wow,
that really stuck with me. So when he stopped and
he's staring at him, I'm like, oh no, don't that.
Don't do this. And then I started to see his eyes
well like okay, just leave it at that, and then
the single tear rolled down. He's like, uh so, yeah, no,
I'm with you. I've had that problem with again with
the show, where I feel like they've taken certain characters
and they're trying to do the Fannels thing of like, well,
there's a reason they're this bad. But I think you
can still, especially in Lord of the Rings, which is
a very much a good and evil Taiale, I don't
think this stuff's need for some even if they want
to do this with Gladual because I don't know. They're
laid on so thick. He had like seventeen lines about
like I still love you, I still like you, the
doors still open, you.
Speaker 7: Want to part yeah, and Gladual three like five times
like no, thank you, no thank you, Like it' not happening,
Like it's not like the Railo thing where they're like.
Speaker 1: My door's open, the door's closed, Like she's just like
annoy them. Even then, I could say, well, there's he
is admitting that he did feel something for in that moment.
Right He's saying like not everything was illusion, So he's
admitting that there was some part of them, whether people
like it or not, that he was digging glad Real
so I could buy something with her and maybe a
tear coming out this stuff with cal Brimborm. Absolutely not see.
I did not enjoy that either.
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't. I didn't like it either.
Speaker 7: I think for me it wasn't as egregious, just because
this whole season, pretty much this whole show, Charlie Vicker's
like portrayal of Saron, whether it's Halbrand or Anatar, it
is a very emotional character, right, Like whether he's playing
it for I don't know, just just winning over people.
But like I feel like throughout this season is shown
that like this is something really important to him of
creating a new Middle Earth, which is basically purging it
and like just becoming like a tyrant for the entire
Middle Earth. But he still wants to create this this
thing because like in his mind, he's never just achieved it,
and he's come this close and he felt like he's
put well he's literally put himself into this product and
and like he just wants to see it done. I
would prefer know, like not seeing a tear there. I
think I think this is the best acting like Charlie,
like I've seen from Charlie Vickers, like throughout the whole
show is specifically as this character anatar, like he's just
had a lot more range, I think than what he
had and how as hal Brand. But in that scene,
like he just I feel like he was really showing
menace behind like his his emotion, like like it seems
like there's a dark something behind those eyes, even though
it does have a tear to it. And I don't know,
I think I'm just maybe bringing in my own things
into this because I was just trying to like defend
the scene because I just like the acting. I like
Kelibrin boor just fucking skewed like a bore on the
like on the pillars. Just yeah, just it was wild
to see that, and uh, what a tortured character, for sure.
But for me, it's it's mostly just so around wanting
to be able to create this thing that you could
like I don't know, I I just feel like he's
also always been like trying to be that master smith.
This is going back to like when he was a
maar and like training as like a smith.
Speaker 2: Below alay way ai, I think that's right.
Speaker 7: So I'm kind of just pulling it from that, and
he's just always been like not good enough to create
the perfect thing in his mind. He's so close and
he doesn't get it. So it's like, okay, I can
kind of look past the tear.
Speaker 2: But fair points.
Speaker 7: For sure, I definitely don't think he should be a
character that's like crying when it doesn't go his way.
But yeah, I don't know, it didn't bother me maybe
as much as I like it should have.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but yeah, yeah, fair points.
Speaker 3: I don't think I was really bothered by it.
Speaker 2: At all.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not like he burst into tears and
it got in his way and then he got like
overthrown and hit.
Speaker 3: This whole plan failed. I think that would have been
a little a little too much for sure.
Speaker 5: But just like you know, a little emotion here there
for some people that he cares for, respects or spend
a lot of time with.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I guess I didn't really have an issue with it.
But I'll tell you what, I was not shedding a
tier when Calibrin Bore finally bit it. I've I've I
had enough time within this season. There were good moments,
but there were also a lot of cheesy or bad moments.
So I think he finally he had a good arc.
Speaker 3: I'll say that. So he's he's finally gone.
Speaker 5: Though we actually got some some big debts in this
episode saying bye to some people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we lost him. We lost another character coming up,
but and I wonder if they didn't die. But there's
certain characters that we said we talked about a Rondeer's
adopted son, maybe the Halflings. Like there's certain characters I
think should probably go away for a bit, right, Like,
I just don't know what there is to do for them.
I'm sure I'm wrong, and I'm sure the halflings are
going to be heading home and there meet a Rondier
son and then it's like the fucking kids squad and
they're doing something. But I'm hoping with Calibrinbourne and a
Rondier now with the other elves, that's to me like
two story threads kind of gone or put somewhere else.
Speaker 6: So we lost the as well.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, poor guy. So we have Yeah, let's
go there. Let's talk about Adder, which who was So
first of all, I had this moment. I don't know why,
I just thought, man, they're gonna piss off Kirkland. What's
I always forget? What's glad Real's husband name? Calibourne. So
when Adaur had the ring and he still be looking
on our elve, and I thought for sure he was
gonna be I thought, so the way he's like that
wasn't my name, it was like, fucking god, they're.
Speaker 2: Gonna do it.
Speaker 1: And because they've they've made them like google eyes at
each other before, but no, it just results to the
orcster and murdering him. Now the little surn helmet was there.
Am I to believe that he's like mind controlling them
now right, or did they turn on their own? Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, no, whish, I don't.
Speaker 1: Think he's doing it was yes or no, it was
it was a he's controlling.
Speaker 4: I think he's just persuading them because they use mind controlling.
Then they wouldn't have they wouldn't have conflicted with him
and said, oh many yours.
Speaker 1: I think it's like step back or step.
Speaker 7: Back, like, especially after he murders the family org, it's
just like, holy fuck, what did we do? Like this
is now our tyrannical ruler. It's like, what the fuck
do you can do this plot in the first place
with an OAR at all?
Speaker 1: Whatever I agree at our or some social respective that
I'll circle back by saying, Okay, he's not doing mind control,
like literally like the but is he doing the thing
that he did in a rag around where he's like, oh, well,
you know, you could be with me, we could like
is it that thing? Because they specifically showed that helmet
and then the next cut to the ORCS that's when
they're all like they all looked at our. So it
was like to me trying to show that Okay, it's
not like, I don't think they just mutinied against ad Our.
I didn't take it like that, which is weird because
they were trying to set that story on up last week,
and then the work with the family to me, just
became completely like Bucky from MSU Phase one three where
he was mind wipe and just what do you do?
So to me, I think he was influenced whatever. And
then I agree with the Kirkle in this whole storyline
even last week. Why if Adar was gonna sacrifice himself
for like saying like I'll do anything to keep my
Orc safe, why last week did they make him an
asshole to the Orcs? Like everything to do with this
Orc storyline, even Sar on the Orcs and hour I
think completely got waffled here in these last two episodes.
Speaker 5: So and I don't know, really, I do feel like
Adar had some change of heart or realization after he
was wearing the ring a little bit, like that cleared
his mind somewhat and like put him in a different
headspace and realized that like life is precious, uh, and he.
Speaker 3: Should he should carry these people again.
Speaker 5: So it's still I mean, I still think he did
go overboard last week no matter what. Yeah, Hey, he
was in the fucking heat of the battle and they'd
been building up for surement for years, right, so you
can kind of understand the adrenaline mode and pumping through
his body at that point. He got, you know, pretty
much a kill on Iran Deer, one of the highest
ranked members of the Elvin Armies that you know that
would do something for you too, even though we're on
here just like shows up in this episode.
Speaker 1: No big moment, He's just there.
Speaker 5: It's like they cut his random when he popped up
in here. I was like, oh, I guess he's all right.
Then I saw weird ending for him last last episode.
But uh yeah, I I I this is something that
I was a little curious about. I guess the way
I'm kind of taking it is that I don't think
he's like actively doing a constant state of mind magic
on them like he was for Caliber more or like
keeping him in his tower there. But I guess it's
just like it doesn't take much to sway their minds
of the Uric because they're just not very strong mentally.
Their mental resolve is not there, so it's probably a
lot easier to sway them with just like one foul
swoop almost and I don't know, like that's the thing
is though, Like at the end of the last episode
and why I think there was something missing in between
last episode and this is like there were so many
freaking orcs get just get like on the battlefield, getting
into a regular and I feel like we kind of
cut away from that, and then start of this episode
they just like have fully captured the city and like
everyone's like locked up. Uh, and it just it just
seemed like a bit of a weird transition to me.
But it's like there are so many of them that
it's hard for me to like understand completely how Soron
was able to do this where it's like does he
have to do this magic on every single one of
them or is he just do it on like a
few leaders and the leaders like everyone like underneath just
follows suit and they're like, oh, yeah, we'll just follow.
Speaker 3: Our new leader now.
Speaker 5: I guess even though I've never met the guy, but uh,
and I had a dad and I like to following
my dad, But I guess the soro On guy. Everyone
else is saying he's pretty cool or they just like
ants like they just followed the pack in that way.
Speaker 1: Even though some years months ago, whether it's myself or
my friend, Orcs have mutilated sorrow like the person on
a song, right, they killed him as a group, then
you need against him.
Speaker 5: So it's just it's a weird choice for them to
really try and humanize the Orcs and give them more
of like a human like personality, but then also make
them just like mindless cannon fodder type enemies who will
follow anyone for like nearly any reason. That's made me
a bit of an exaggeration, but it did.
Speaker 3: It did feel that that was.
Speaker 5: One of the things among many that felt rushed in
this episode for me, is just oh yeah, I'm the
king of the Orcs, now, deal with it.
Speaker 1: The Orcs. Yeah, well, too bad for that that Orc
lady with that baby. You know she's now a widow
and that uh orc has still father now, so that's
what a shame. Hopefully some give them a nice home
and everything, but uh yeah no, it's uh I'm I
hope next year it's just mean Orc city no more
with the Orcs. Have them be what they've always been,
cannon fodder like that Orc at the beginning too, when
they're like or maybe it's mill that I did like
that scene Alron literally saying take me before you take
these files of Caliber Brown's work.
Speaker 2: And the sacred texts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to me again, I say, I'm basic bitch
right now, but I like that, Like he just burns
the fire, like, yeah, that's my org. That's that's what
these books, these books.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, fuck your books fire.
Speaker 1: Like that's all I like. And then they beat them up,
they set on fire and then kill Gallon and got
beat the ship by the works like we got kill them,
but we need to save them for master. But I'm
just like, yeah, that's that's this is this is the
route I want to go, especially with the ending with
like sword or shield and the elves picked sword. I
don't need They're with s are On Anatar whatever, who's
to me just evil? I don't care about the tear.
Like now, let's just no more of this family, no
more of this is our home. We don't want to
go to war there with sar On, evil orcs. Let's
go and I will I'll just say that who they
were having an off year happening right now. I hope
this is not returned to in season three, so you.
Speaker 4: Know, just a quick interjection's something that bothers me. And
the whole battle seam with the Orcs and whatnot. Uh,
there's a transition where we're going to a rigium and
the remaining Elvin troops are.
Speaker 1: Just getting fucking decim Yeah, not going good.
Speaker 4: There's the one alf that's running on the walls. He
starts speaking out and like Sindarin or something like that, and.
Speaker 6: You see him.
Speaker 4: He's got at least three arrows. He fires too. He
has one arrow left in his quiver. He does some
cool jumps from like rooftops rooftop gives up the high
ground and goes down on ground level with one arrow
left and gets fucking murked instantly. No logistical or tactical
thought put into that that move at all.
Speaker 6: It just kind of bothers me.
Speaker 5: I was, I was laughing at that pretty and then
out of the fucking other door, Gladul comes out and
fucks up at that enemy.
Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, she's so cool. This guy's an idiot.
But you're right. I don't know what his game plan was,
but it was not a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: The whole Addar storyline was major disappointing to me in hindsight,
and why even go down that route of trying to
humanize you. I think there was some potential there even
like what you mentioned Dylan, like maybe if they like,
like you know, maybe if the ring clears his mind
to make him think about that and then he like
gives sort.
Speaker 3: Of because it does heal him right, Like it goes
away some of the rot.
Speaker 7: And he feels very different than where he would have
been in like the bloodless mode that he was in
last week. And it would have been nice if he
like admitted to Gladuel, like I guess he kind of
did that of like sour On kind of played me,
but like it wasn't exactly the conversation. It was more
so just like I don't know, it didn't it didn't
say it as cleanly as maybe I was I would
have wanted. And then maybe you could transition to him
like addressing his orcs and like admitting how wrong he was,
like I'm so sorry my my children, and then they
still stab him, Like I think that would have been
like a bigger moment, but it's just yeah, they just
got him, got him like a fish, and uh, like
what a waste? Now, what a waste now and in hindsight,
and they didn't really even like show well they didn't
show they didn't show sour on like like like fucking
up Orcs or something to like turn them. It's just, oh,
they just they just got at our and we're just
going with it and everything they've.
Speaker 1: Shown too, and then like we just see a few turn,
but then all of them have turned.
Speaker 7: Like it's like it's like saying, they're just like a
fucking hive mind, like they're cants and they just go
that way.
Speaker 5: Like that group, it makes sense, like we literally saw
saw her and do that to a group of elves,
make them all kill each other right in the circle
last episode, But like it didn't seem like that's what
he was doing there. It seemed like they like they
chose to do that of their own free will at
that point. To me, maybe maybe I'm wrong, maybe he
was my controlling.
Speaker 6: I think you're right.
Speaker 4: I think it was out of their own their own choice,
and I think they were just fed up because that
kept making bad decisions.
Speaker 1: But how does that get to like the Orcs like
hundreds of miles away make the city. That's that's why
I think it's more persuasion because it's just.
Speaker 3: Like how much we'll get that.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I know that's what it is, but I'm trying.
It's like I'm trying to give them a mulligan, and
it's like, is it a game of telephone where like
add ours and asshole as a like pass it on
and it gets like the Arts.
Speaker 4: In the city weren't like, oh fuck, add are the
Arks in the city. We're like, okay, we got a
new boss. That's it because they're super but submissive, right.
Speaker 1: I guess. But this whole season was showing them, not
like showing them that they're not certain. Yeah, they're family, remember,
they don't want to go with them. So like it's
just weird that the the orc burning the books that
gets were and they is okay, I'm back with Sarron,
the guy we killed, or like we're showing that.
Speaker 3: We murdered killed him the exact same way.
Speaker 7: Yes, so yeah, yeah, I I I don't have a
problem at all with Souron just like taking over like
the Orcs or the Orux. It just I would have
wished for like a better scene of it happening.
Speaker 2: And I think that oh no, I lost my train
of thought. There character name, at our character name, at
our mind.
Speaker 7: I think I think what helps me like not mine
the Orcs turning is the fact that, like the Orcs
have already stated of just like the fear factor of
what Souron is. Like early on in the season, they're
like like at our is like talking to them about
sura On, how he's still out there and it is
like the biggest threat to them specifically.
Speaker 2: And I think that.
Speaker 7: Even though we don't see all the Orcs kind of
thinking that, I think that is a like common knowledge
across the board.
Speaker 2: There's probably a lot there's probably.
Speaker 7: Some different intelligence levels in the Eric, so some that
are just completely meat heads and they they don't give
a shit who they're killing. They just are killing each other.
It's kind of my preferred type of order, kind of
like what was shown in the events the Lord of
the Rings, but they just didn't really make an effort
of even showing that right like it happens off screen
where the turn happens, And it's just because of that,
it's it's just egregious in my mind to even go
through the hoops of doing this thing with Adar and
and trying to make us feel for these orcs because
it's just there's there's no there's no satisfaction in it
at all, and I just I feel wasted, and I'm
already I already felt pissed off with with what we
caught numan Or, and then I get this and then
some halfoot stuff later on, and I'm like, fuck, man,
there's some shit garbage in this show like.
Speaker 1: That very small though it's true, it's true, and like
I'm blinking you miss it.
Speaker 7: I'm hoping this goodbye at the end is like, okay,
is this actually goodbye? Because you fucking promised me last
season and we got you again this season.
Speaker 2: Harfoots and we got the stores. My gosh, come on,
get out of my show.
Speaker 1: No, when the Harpet's did go with Gandaf, so we
know she was gonna be sticking around, right. But my
weird thing with the scene is they showed glad Girl's
reaction when they started stabbed, and they did like a
Dutch angle like zoomed up on her. But then I
didn't feel like there was much like with her after
I thought her and Adder kind of had like some
sort of connection, but the show just kind of carried on,
and I thought there'd be something even just like a
lateral like maybe like his eyes were open, like put
his eyes like just something. But no, just kind.
Speaker 6: Of she moved on too.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, she was still too.
Speaker 1: So And at least I will say last week I said,
if at our dies not to Ron Deer, then IRONDI
was like the biggest bitch ever. But he did survive,
so he's not the biggest bitch ever. Now did he
complete his goal?
Speaker 2: Old?
Speaker 1: No, but he can hopefully contribute to the team going forward,
so they they got that. But yeah, no, and then
he was up.
Speaker 3: There with the rest of the Linden ll the promotion.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, but then yeah and then yeah, Sarron, as
we mentioned, killed the orc with the wife and the child.
So and again that's why it's like they try again.
It's do they do that, try and make us like
sorrow on less? I guess right, because they showed us
this orc didn't want Warren stay home. And that's the
one that Sarren kills, is this humanized orc. And it's, oh,
that's son so bad. But it's like I think I
get the message like how bad he is this season,
and it.
Speaker 5: Definitely just hits home that he just sees them as
number as numbers and tools rather than people like Adar did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's take an ad break and then we'll
talk about Sarron because he a little uh fight this episode,
so we'll be right back and we're back. So yeah,
I actually really enjoyed to talk about some positive stuff.
I loved the face off between him and Gladra. I
like all the referring back to being like kind of
you know, some tension, a romantic tension last year gladyal
many times it said hey, she didn't say, hey, I
M I still like the guy, but characters hadn't insinuated that, like, hey,
like you still have a connection there. She wasn't sure
anytimes she talked about them. The whole brand thing came up.
So I liked that that was full and I think
they laid it on a bit too thick. A couple
of times they had Sarn like dropped too many cliche algories.
But I liked that the one the fight. I love
that Sarn turned into like a video game boss where
he's just turning into different personalities. I thought that was cool.
And then I think it was cool to have her
like officially like that storyline's done of the like, oh,
is there any poll there? She said no, that door
is closed and she went for his head. So I
liked everything they had there. I thought the fight choreography
was good. I like him using that helmet as a weapon.
Like I said, I think the only thing they missed
was when he was turning into people. He should have
turned into her brother, because that's how this whole show started,
right with Sarron killed her brother and we saw him
in season one, and I thought that would have been
the last final, Like, oh that would really.
Speaker 3: Thought the viewers wouldn't like remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably right, because he all turned into people
we had just seen. But I thought like, oh, this
is a good moment, but nonetheless very good moment. Other
than I don't buy that she jumped off the hill.
That's fine, or it's a cliff, that's fine. I get that.
To me, it wasn't that far wor sorrow when she's like,
well she got away, like it still looked like it
was like just hiked down there and you can get her,
especially with his power, so it felt like he kind
of that was like a video game cut scene of
the guy just well it's like GT hiding behind the
trash can of he can literally still like see her
with his eyes and he wants this ring, but because
she jumped off a cliff, I'm good. So other than
the ending, I really like that to interaction fight.
Speaker 4: He got his nine rings, right, I mean he would
have loved to get glad Reel's, but I think you
know he got the nine rings. That's the same thing,
so you can leave that fight for another day.
Speaker 1: He was just he was like, oh, that was the
thing of beauty, Like he was pretty impressed by that ring,
so I thought he really won it. But you're right,
he did get the nines.
Speaker 6: I wanted to put his black goop on it.
Speaker 5: I know, I completely with everything you said there. I
really like that sequence. And yeah, just the resilience of
glad Yrl to fucking yet off a mountain, smashed it
some trees on the way down and survived to tell
the tale is pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: And I actually found myself like, not really that bad
bothered by gil Gallad.
Speaker 3: In this episode, so that was a nice change of face.
Speaker 7: I was hoping the Orcs would slit his throat instead
of burning the books.
Speaker 3: I would have taken that too.
Speaker 5: But I just found myself not annoyed by everything he
was saying when he was talking to her when she
was kind of waking up after being on conscious there
from falling off the mountain side.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I liked that stuff.
Speaker 2: I I like, Yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Think I agree mostly with everything you guys said on
the on the fight most Travis said, maybe there was
just like some little moments when they're going back and forth,
it just it seemed like they're doing a talk dance
as opposed to a fall on fight, which is mostly
kind of what they were trying to do, right Like,
it's mostly a psychological battle with Sara on getting into
her mind and then her having the the fortitude and
resolved to kind of like push back that roundhouse kick
that she does on him, which when she just like
closed the door, I was like, holy fuck, that was quick,
A nice little sidekicks she did. But uh yeah, when
oh no, it's happening again. It's happening again. What happened
the oh yeah, the the Morgal blade stab, and how
incredibly identical it is the Fellowship of the Ring sequence.
When she like wakes up, you like almost see fucking
hugo we face.
Speaker 2: Wake up Frodo.
Speaker 7: Like it's just it's so similar, and like, I get it.
She got stabbed at the same type of blade that
thro did it. It's just it's kind of what we're
talking about earlier, right with like the same lines. And
I think because of just seeing those movies so many times,
it's just I'm like seeing Frodo in the bed in Rivendell, it's.
Speaker 2: October the fourth of like blah blah blah, Like it's.
Speaker 7: Just okay, okay, yes, I get it, but yeah, no,
I thought the overall fight was really good. Something that
like I feel like didn't really stand out to me
at all in this season except for this episode. Is
they like really made the Elvin rings and the Dwarven
ring as well, like Duran's ring like super large. It
looks like a fucking ring pop.
Speaker 2: And like like.
Speaker 7: Like I don't know, I guess to like just really
showcase like the jewel, but it just looks so like
ridiculously large on Gladule's finger I found, and like we've
seen this ring before, you know, I guess you can
make the argument it's it's a different universe. It's not
attached to the Peter Gevnstein. But they just looked really
really large in this episode. And then I'm like thinking
to myself, it's like.
Speaker 2: Did they always look that large like it did?
Speaker 7: Maybe maybe when they do like the close up on
the ground and then like el Ron goes to grab it,
it's just again like a fucking ring pop in the air.
But no, overall, I thought I thought it was a
satisfying enough meet up, especially that you know they haven't
seen each other face to face for a while now,
and I like the imagery of just her falling and
then when gil Gallad and el Rond are seeing that
and then you just see like the dark figure of
sour On just like kind of on the mountain peak.
It it looked really really cool shot. And uh yeah,
I was a little bit confused why Elron didn't just
put her ring on her finger, because I figured that
would have also just kind of helped cure like the
darkness that was in her right, because like, you want, look,
look what happened to add Ar right, like he turned
from fucking emo dark mode to full on Keliborne again.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna run with that now.
Speaker 7: But uh yeah, I still thought it was It was
nice then the ending was it was good enough.
Speaker 1: I will say too, Elron didn't like embrace her or
run and hug or anything. So I'm hoping that that
kiss is just remained.
Speaker 2: And they didn't even address that. Ah yah.
Speaker 3: Seem yeah like they were doubling down on.
Speaker 1: That they saw it last week though I get hit
the scene out where they make love take that out.
We're not gonna mention it, you know, so, but I'm
I'm happy about that. And uh yeah L's are going
to war. I know a fight.
Speaker 2: Man know to do that. Yeah, I was gonna just mention.
Speaker 7: I feel like I feel like this era the Elves
are supposed to be like really popping off, Like they
just defeated more Goth in the last age. Maybe that
took a lot of toll in them, but like add
ours Orus really really guys, like they completely decimated Oregion.
So so there you go. Sararon is a big factor
of that. So I'll give give the pass there. But
just when I had like Gill Galad and like el
Ron just like on the.
Speaker 2: Ground, like please all the books, It's just.
Speaker 7: Like I don't know, man, I don't know if I
have faith in these Elves to go take the fight
to Souron when they just got their asking by the Orux.
But fair enough, I did kind of disregard the whole
Eron or sorry, the whole uh Anatar basically being like
the main factor on how that invasion worked.
Speaker 1: You definitely need the Dwarfs, you need them for sure.
Speaker 5: That was that was pretty disappointing to me that eventually
the Dwarves did show up after we get the whole
sequence back in cause of Doom, and they there's like
two shots of them, and it's like, Okay, they save
the day, but then like they just leave and a
regularm is still completely fucked and they're gonna, you know,
abandon the city.
Speaker 3: It's raised to the ground.
Speaker 5: So it's like, did they even I guess the Dwarves
helped like free our heroes.
Speaker 3: And their main purpose there rather than.
Speaker 5: Actually saving the city. But I just I was just
a disappointed from like the battle side of things. I
know the battle was last week and all, but still
I feel like that was that would have been a
fun extra phase to this battle and maybe it'd be
weird pacing wise to split that across two episodes, but
I was a little a little disappointed with the Dwarves
coming to save the day.
Speaker 1: There, I feel like they kind of came after the fact,
you know, like the battle had already like the janitors, Yeah,
all the main troops had gone home and they're just
killing like the Wave two or because that art is
like holding prisoners.
Speaker 7: But they didn't even like win, like a regulon still
fell right. Like it's like what Dylan was saying, like they.
Speaker 5: They came, they saw that Caliber Wars architectures were destroying,
and they're like, we don't give a shit anymore. The
city was written on those scrolls, and then they're like,
we're out of here.
Speaker 2: The one thing that Durance says to Elron too, it's
like the Princes in.
Speaker 7: Morning, that's it, and then he just goes back to
Kaza Doom and like like really, I I mostly just
like seeing their armor showcase because like I haven't seen
the Peter Jackson Hobbits, so I haven't seen like dwarves
really pop off on screen other than just Gimli, And
I really like Battle for You of the Five Armies Army.
I like the book version. It's pretty good in my mind,
but just just yeah, their armor set looked really cool
and unique and just all of them having crossbows and
it looked pretty cool, but definitely lackluster in the sense
of how much they were involved in the fight.
Speaker 2: And they don't really like they don't really talk, like,
like I said, just.
Speaker 7: The one line that that Durrance says to el Ron
and then.
Speaker 2: That's just it. They just fast travel back to uh Kaza.
Speaker 1: Doom very quick. Yeah, and they're like, what an offer, like,
we will be with you anytime, and then Duran's wye, no,
we won't. We got our own stuff going on. So
it's like, oh, okay, cool, you know, so Darth saying
you look like you were.
Speaker 6: I did, but I totally forgot what I was gonna say.
Speaker 7: I'm in the water tonight, something about the elves, the dwarves, uh.
Speaker 1: Kill gallon. Okay, let's go to the drawers. So we had,
you know, saying that hashtag trst told you that ball rog.
You're getting it as as much as you can. But
uh yeah, King During or durnt During Senior, whatever you
call him. You hear something going on down there, so
he's gonna go. Then During Junior tells his wife, don't
follow me no matter what you hear. She disobeys that,
but I guess for good. And then they quickly quickly
tell us the story about him holding his hand down,
which I wish they like set it up like a
couple episodes ago. But he tells the story about you know,
you would never let my you like it's like a
test of strength, right, and yeah, during Junior is just
kind of inferring that he would let him win. But
before the ball Rock takes King Durn, he informs him, no,
you were just getting stronger. And then King Duran foolishly
decides like I'm gonna take on the bell Rock, like
I feel like he's more valuable. He just turns and runs,
you know, but alas I guess and.
Speaker 2: Like probably better with the ring on, you know.
Speaker 1: Like, but yeah, we have lost King Duran, and now
the dwarves are not really at least some of them
are not in favor of Prince Duran, and there's talk
of his brothers coming in sorry brother not pearl not
plural uh to run. So yeah, like I'm I'm somewhat intrigued.
I think they could have got a little more juice
at the father Son dynam near the end, because I
think these last few episodes, I've kind of just had
Warner scenes there. But yeah, I enjoyed it, and I'm
interested to see what happens with the brother. And I
just knew they're gonna do the bell Rock because you're
gonna see that bell Rock every single season. I promise you.
They know what they got there, so we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna leave us on edge.
Speaker 4: Was there some super like, uh like enhancement to Duran's
acts that he was using, because when he went into
that final smash against the dog, it just looked like
there was.
Speaker 6: An explosion, like his acts like smashed.
Speaker 4: Through it or had something going for it.
Speaker 5: So it's not maybe he probably a calibrin bore original
that was probably a fine piece of hardware there.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 1: It did look like an explosion, like it was guts
going everywhere.
Speaker 2: From the smack of.
Speaker 7: Damn.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think this this sequence was it was
it was all right. I think it's a more I
am excited for what's next with the Dwarves. I mean,
I generally did like what was going on this season here.
I think it's a good setup of like is his
brother out there, He's he wants to claim at the
throne and then like all the other factions that got
the other rings and were kind of being used by
King Duran are also some of them have take an
issue with the new king as well and want to
claim ownership there. So I think we're set up for
just like, hey, here's a bunch of potential different dwarf
in factions all down in these mines that all want
a piece of the pie and want a piece of
this kingdom, all while under underneath their toes the bower
rogs like right there, and it's like getting closer and closer.
So I think it's a it's a good setup, and
I'm excited for uh for what we get going forward,
pretty like expected ending for this character, I suppose, yeah,
King Duran here, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I like that, Like we didn't just get the
full on fucking fall of like in this episode, like
can you imagine last ten minutes? So yeah, I'm I'm
in agreeance with you, Dylan. I I I really did
like the dwarf stuff. I think I think, oh my gosh,
Nessa Nesa whatever her name was during Deza there you go,
I think that's the actor's name, actually, Nessa, but Desa.
I thought she was one of my favorite characters in
this entire and honestly, I thought she was fantastic. So
I'm I'm excited to get new dwarfing characters, some new
drama as opposed to just the crazy Durin going just
psycho and like that's just our threat in the Dwarving Kingdom. Like,
I am happy that we're we're expanding, We're delving in
other directions of the mind to find some other Dwarfs.
So I am looking forward to that. And in terms
of the Bell rog yeah, I don't really like that
it was here, but uh fuck did it look good?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 7: Man, I am not a fan of bell Rocks with wings.
It's just like, I don't know. To me, it just
it just doesn't doesn't fit at all. Every time that
a bell Rock has died, it's been from falling, so like,
why the fuck would bell Rocks have wings?
Speaker 2: Like it?
Speaker 7: Just I don't like it. I didn't like in the
Peter Jackson trilogy. I think it looks cool, you know,
it's ostrich. The reason why they put it on is
badass free and it looks cool, and I I agree
with that, but just the actual like factor of like
them having wings. Not a fan of but god, the
visuals look gorgeous.
Speaker 5: Kirkly, here's an idea, you know how, it's maybe what
if it's like almost like a bellow that it's to
stoke the flames on the body.
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that.
Speaker 7: However, in this he actually used it to like kind
of like flutter a little bit, like when he like
bounces back down and he like flaps with them, which
I'm pretty sure that Peter Jackson bell Rock does not.
Speaker 2: Do at all.
Speaker 7: It's just like a big like like fan that goes off.
But I like your theory of the bellows heavy is
like the wings probably wouldn't be you know, you can't
just take flighting fly across the lens, but you can
at least like maybe do a little double jump action
with it jump, you know, so maybe fat situation it
made more sense. But like when he's falling off the bridge,
when off breaks that like there's.
Speaker 3: There's no chance he's to stop his momentum fly.
Speaker 2: Maybe I like that.
Speaker 7: I'm going to a headcanon that that it's just like
a double jump factor, so or maybe it's just falling
with style as a pulse to fly in. So okay, yeah,
that that helps for sure, but visual looked fucking gorgeous.
I thought that looked just amazing.
Speaker 5: Watching that sequence and hot off playing a bunch of Elderring,
I was like, man, I so badly want a look
like a from software to make a Lord of the
Rings game, and like they're the ballerrock boss fight would
be so fucking sick, and all the other like huge
enemies like she Lob and these things would be so.
Speaker 2: Cool, more goth final boss Hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we moved to the Wizard folk and
the horror Foots and everything. I was happy Tom Bombdill's back,
not because I thought I was wrong with that prediction,
but he finally sung, so it's happy we got I
was going.
Speaker 2: On mentions the river daughter ell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so this is a storyline I'm still kind
of mixed on because the Dark Wizard was a very
big like, well wait until next year.
Speaker 2: His whole last appointment is what you're trying to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm trying not to because I'm trying not
to be just overly naked because they're still just things,
like again, like I don't think overall, there's some characters,
but it's acted well, looks good, but the idea of
whatever his lacke's where that kidnapped the Hobbits and then
he just like kills one and they run away. That
felt like just such like a like a Captain Fazma
thing of let's introduce some cool characters and well they're
really nothing. And then, as I was saying earlier, where
I guess I feel like like a tad emotional but
not really but like I have some investment in him
saying goodbye to the Halflings. But for me, I already
said a couple episodes ago that I don't think they
should have split them up again. If they get back
together next year, then I guess, Okay, then I'm the idiot.
But to me, I liked what they were doing in
episodes one to three, and they split them up and
then only for them to say goodbye. I wish they
were just all together the whole season, maybe borrowing one
episode so again Off could talk to Tom Baumbadill. But yeah,
I again not bad. I don't think the story it
was bad. I just think it was a little lacky,
and the dark Wizard thing didn't really pay off for
me yet. But that's again that's more of like, oh
maybe down the road. But yeah, and we got the
name drop, so he's officially you know, Gandalf, So yeah,
go ahead, don't talk at once.
Speaker 4: Dark Wizard was just an absolute yeah, waste of waste
of time. I have no attachment to this character at all.
And it was I mean, it was kind of interesting
to get a little bit of backstory when he was
trying to sway Gandalf over and was kind of like
telling them about like where they existed before.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, said he was one of five,
which is interesting, right, so he would have been.
Speaker 4: Only in Saramon or one of the two Blue Wizards.
Speaker 7: And I'm hoping it's one of the two Blues Wizards
because if they're making this Saramon like no, fuck you guys.
Speaker 4: Like Sarimon was the first one out of the five,
I'm pretty sure to come to Middle Earth, right, That's
why he's like the wisest of the order.
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe I was just the White Wizards, and the
White Wizards supposed to be like the leader of the five.
Speaker 1: I would just hate the guy that eventually joins sorrow
On at one point is known as the Dark Wizard beforehand,
you know, that's that's.
Speaker 7: Way and like you shouldn't be evil at this point,
this is like this is the idea. It's not like
he came to Middle Earth evil, Like right out the gate.
Speaker 1: The Dark Wizard did say he's not evil. He said,
men gave me that name, don't dark Wizard. But he
didn't get he's not going around Kirkling. He's not calling
himself the Dark Wizard.
Speaker 4: People calling, but he's dropping the whole fucking canyon on
the haarffoots and the steel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not saying he's Dark Wizard.
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping. I'm hoping.
Speaker 7: I don't even know what I'm hoping honestly with this character,
like the fact that he was alluding that he's in
a star and then we don't actually get what he is,
and he doesn't look very blue to me.
Speaker 2: So like under that rope, I don't know.
Speaker 1: His es is just blue, like remembering Two Towers. When
Ganov takes off his his great cloak, that's what they're
going to be blue, Like, oh my god, he's looking
like Doctor Manhattan.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm I'm just I don't see an avenue
that this is going to be a satisfying revelation for me.
Of like a reveal of who this character is. I
I just I'm really worried that they're gonna make it
like a significant change for a certain wizard.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know I was.
Speaker 7: I was very disappointed with this character. I didn't really
love his inclusion. I like seeing Rune more of that,
but we didn't really see more of that, like at all.
Speaker 2: We just see like the one room and then.
Speaker 7: These these idiot troops that he has that are like
runic individuals, cool armor design, but anytime they spoke, it's
just like, oh my god, they have like the three
Stooges out to get these hard foots, Like it's just
they're so stupid. Yeah, And I just I don't I
just don't like the setup for next season with with
the Dark Wizard, and I'm really not looking forward to
to get that reveal. So that was that was a
big bummer for me, really. But yeah, I did like
the scene at the end with Tom Bomb Medill. I
will admit it was really nice. I like the whole
idea that it was a test for Gandel, that the
song was amazing and I'm just chilling and just fucking
smoke of their pipe weed and just just just singing songs.
So as someone i'll admit, you know, didn't like the
idea of Tom Bombadil in the show, I was actually
happy with what was done with them, so I will
uh yeah, I'll admit very nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Overall that that whole storyline was like what are we
even doing here? Like, I feel like we barely spent
much time with it. It had like a very unsatisfying
ending and I don't even know what it like sets
up in an interesting way, so we'll see what happens there,
but it was overall pretty disappointing, and it was funny
the so that bomb Atilt that that quote that riddle
where he's like, you choose your destiny or you choose
to save your friends. Uh, Like we didn't when we
talked about that in that episode. I don't think any
of us really considered that it was a test and
the answer was to pick your friends. But then it
was funny when when I was watching the start of
the episode, like the episode recap, it showed that line
again and in that moment, I was like, oh, that
was definitely a test and he actually wanted him to
pick friendship. I don't know why, just like seeing it
recontextualized in this episode just made me think that was
the case.
Speaker 3: So I felt pretty satisfied when that was what ended
up happening. And I like that.
Speaker 5: I like that these two can be on good terms
with each other and Bombdills and just like pissed Agandal
for like going off and doing something else and then
we never see that character again, because like he had
like what fifteen minutes of screen time maximum across this
whole this whole season. But I want to see more
of him.
Speaker 3: And I want to get more of that connection. So
I feel like we're set up pretty well for that.
How do you guys feel about the name? The name
reveal and how it was set up for gandalf Randel.
Speaker 2: I didn't mind it.
Speaker 3: I think it was fun.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it name too.
Speaker 5: I guess I was expecting to feel stronger one way
or the other. Most probably I was probably expecting a
negative react. I was just I was expecting the solo moment,
you know, and it was much better than that, So.
Speaker 3: I was I was happy with her.
Speaker 7: It made sense when when the like the like the
gentleman just says to him, like he looks tall like
an elf and he's grand so thank you grand Elf, and.
Speaker 3: Like it did make sense.
Speaker 2: It sounds like Gandalf, So there you go.
Speaker 5: I like seeing some guy traveling alone and being like, ah, solo.
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna go to Tom.
Speaker 7: It's like, my name is grand Elf, and I'm like, oh, man, no,
let's let's tweak that. Then Tom gives him like a
corrected name. But yeah, no, that's good.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 7: Part of me thought that we might be getting like
a different name for him, because like Souron, he does
go by many different names.
Speaker 2: I think like min Ethanar is what they call him.
Speaker 1: No, no, I can't pick can't pick that one.
Speaker 2: So no, it's taken.
Speaker 3: That was the last guy that came here, Tom Bomb.
Speaker 1: But no, no, go back with the Hartfoot.
Speaker 2: You more lessons to learn.
Speaker 1: Go throw them around some tornados a bit. So are
they going next season or like, even if they're not
with Gandalf, do we get solo storylines with them or
are they gone for a bit? I think they I
think they're around the same. Yeah, I think they find
some way they get back in the thick of things that.
Speaker 5: I hate to say, I don't think I think THEO
is around too.
Speaker 2: That kid.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely is. He's he's not going anywhere until he dies,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's gonna live everyone in the show. He
can go doubted.
Speaker 7: Like, you're probably right, my heart's gonna say no, I'm
gonna try and just will that in existing manifest you
know manifest. You know, like I don't hate the performances,
it's just like I don't want to spend screen time
with them because I I just feel like I don't
get a lot out of out of those moments, especially
like nobody ever.
Speaker 5: Again fuck that guy over him?
Speaker 2: Taylor? What do you think our foot stores Hobbits?
Speaker 4: I think Bilbo, every every live action Lord of the
Rings project has had, you know, focus on Hobbits, and
I did so for two years. Yeah, but it's every
you know, three more seasons. I guarantee you're gonna get halfoots.
Speaker 6: And stores and every single one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, anything else? I think that's it, right, I
think we did it.
Speaker 2: So am I misremembering what happened to here? Dan?
Speaker 7: Did you just go on the ships West at the
start of the season, because he's just been gone, right,
He's the one with the he's the ship, right, He's
the one that had the ring and was convincing el
Ron that it's a good right.
Speaker 1: He just pimp right off and avoided all the war
and everything.
Speaker 7: But that's what happened, right, he just sailed west of
Eleanor's gone.
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm getting the fuck out of here. You
guys are disagreeing with each other. Sorrow's back, I got
a ring. I'm happy see, But that's what I remember,
him just going away, so nice. Well, final thoughts Taylor,
and a rating on the season.
Speaker 6: Oh, a season as a whole.
Speaker 4: You know, I think that.
Speaker 6: It started off. It started off slow, and I.
Speaker 4: Think what we've alluded to in previous episodes, they've really
dumbed down a lot of the characters when Saron was
just trying to like spread his reach and do his
ring business. So I can't forgive them for that. I
think that's just pretty sloppy writing. So ultimately I'm probably
gonna go I'm still on the more positive side. I
probably go seven out of ten. I did enjoy it,
but I wish I could remember what I gave the
first season.
Speaker 6: I feel like I like this more higher on that higher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I gave it like a nine. I
think you were kind of with me on that because
you and me were more positive.
Speaker 4: So in retrospect, I feel like I would probably lower
that rating for the first season and then makes this
one higher just because I feel like this one feels
more like a Middle Earth adventure in my books. This
one has me excited, and ever since we've been watching
and doing this review, I just wanted to put the
Hobbit on and put the Lord of the Rings on
so badly and just get into that, which I'm probably
going to now that we finished finish the show.
Speaker 7: So after our next review we're going to do after this,
we're going to put on the Hobbit extend.
Speaker 6: Started, started, started now.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think I think the show has a
lot of things that it's it's got to refine and
it's got to work towards. But my hardest, hardest issue
with this is just trying to make sure I remind
myself that this is outside of the Jackson films, because man,
it's just especially seeing the Blade in our Seal and
a few other things, it just feels like, oh man,
this is this has.
Speaker 6: To be a prequel show. But it's not. That's all
I got to keep telling myself.
Speaker 1: So it's take it as a reboot, pretends a reboot.
Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to pretend it as a reboot
because you're just ganned off dropping lines from the movies
and it's like, oh, this guy.
Speaker 1: But that's where reboot is, right, where it's like it's
remaking something but not beat for beats. So you know, boom, Yeah,
it's true.
Speaker 5: Dylm uh, let's see here, here's a power season two.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I had a rocky a rocky start, and really with
a rocky show in general for me, had its ups
and downs, had some great moments, had some good moments,
had a lot of a lot of mediocre stuff, and
then a fair share of bad things as well. So
it was it was a fun time. I'll be back
for season three.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just like being in this world, even if it's
a different sort of vibe to it. So I think
I'm gonna drop a six point nine on.
Speaker 3: This puppy six point nine, And I.
Speaker 5: Think the first season would have been pre me giving
things numbers still, So yeah, that's that's still unnumbered and
it's gonna stay that way for the time being.
Speaker 1: Well wait till Dylan rewatches it and then we'll get
that number. But yeah, I really don't know where I
am with this. It's like what you guys said, I
think it's I think there's some things we share with
some things we don't, but we do share the opinion
that the season was rocky. Maybe just something's worked better
than others for each individual. But uh, I think I'll
go a seven. The way it gets to seven is
just because some of the actual visuals for the show,
So I guess it's still good score. But usually give
stuff round seven of things. I'll rewatch a bunch. I
don't know Season three is gonna be the big determining
factor of like is this a show that's in my
rotation of like I want to get into Rings the Power,
because like, I enjoyed the season, don't get me wrong,
but I'm not itching to rewatch this. Where the first
season last year I was so hopefully season three can
be more positive and this may be just more of
a slump season for me. But uh yeah, so I'll
go a seven. It's getting that higher mark because the
technical stuff, like even like last week, I thought that
troll looked for nomenal But yeah, so for me a
step down because I said, I think season one was
somewhere in the high eight nine territory, so almost a
whole two points off, But that feels about justified. I hope,
uh hope season three can be a big improvement to
get me to the point that every week I'm like
I need to see Rings of Power where I'm kind
of like, oh, like last two weeks, like all right,
Rings of Powers out now in the morning, you know, so,
which should not be the case. But yeah, mister Batzer, six.
Speaker 7: Point three will be my rating on this season of
Rings of Power. Like just quality of production definitely up there.
Like it's just it's a beautiful show to watch. I
definitely am happy that this show seems to just have
an infinite budget because it shows. It looks gorgeous, bell
Rog looked phenomenal. I just I can't really get past
my sounds heavy, my hatred for the Hartfoots and what
they were doing at New Minor the whole art of
thing or not arta, the whole adar thing in hindsight,
like I'm if I do rewatch like season one, now,
I'm just gonna be like hating on this character because
I'm gonna be thinking about the end and just what
happens with this whole journey of the Urus, the attempt
to humanize them, you know, they just never really fully
get there. They even brought in some orc children and
that wasn't enough, so that was a major waste. The
Dark Wizard really wasn't a big fan of ended up,
you know, turning a leaf on Tom Bombadil. So that
was a nice little surprise for Meself and a lot
of the Anatour, the Anatar and Kelibrinbor stuff.
Speaker 2: I did like that dynamic.
Speaker 7: Even though maybe I didn't love the character of Keller Brimbor,
I definitely became a lot more positive on him by
the end, because he is just such a sorry bastard,
Like fuck, what a way to go right, Like, like
he is like he's the one that brought Sourn into
the city. He's like, yeah, bring that handsome elf up
to me. Let's let's chat with him for a little bit.
And then what did that lead to? Not only if
the downfall of a region, but also all the burning
of the ancient texts and all of his like thousands
of years of like ork just burnt by these crusty
old uruhs. So yeah, I there's a lot of stuff
I had.
Speaker 3: He only had one copy.
Speaker 7: You got pdf man, he's got to get those on PDFs.
Let's you don't get the digital storage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the cloud storage. I'm sure. I'm sure they got
that technology.
Speaker 1: They got magic, got fucking magic.
Speaker 3: Literaltalogy, but it was unfortunately written on one of those scrolls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something else, literal cloud storage.
Speaker 7: You know something else that I am really upset about
now that we're at the end of the season. Didn't
really think about it during, but now that we are.
Speaker 3: Past it during.
Speaker 2: Actually yes, yes.
Speaker 7: Actually, thanks for reminding me about that. So that's another
Maybe I'll go down another point one. No, I'll keep
it six point five. But Galadriel, I like major, major,
major drop off from season one and we just are
folksing other avenues and I didn't even mention but like
theo is sale door all of that stuff, Like I
just not as interested as I may maybe would have
thought I would be, like on paper going into it.
But uh yeah, glad Reel she was I think my
favorite part of season one and she's just really gone
for most of this season.
Speaker 2: Like she is in there.
Speaker 7: It's nice to have her like be a big part
of this finale, But yeah, I'm just I'm just kind
of bummed about that, and especially that we focus on
other avenues I didn't love. But I don't know, I'm
I am still optimistic going into next season for all
the reasons we've kind of already talked about. But uh, yeah,
it's it's disappointing though, right for how excited I was.
Speaker 2: These thears.
Speaker 1: You cry, Yeah, I it was that main At least
that's a good thing, you know. But yeah, they definitely
they definitely tried to like make Glad Real the main
character the show again in this episode. But it's like,
that's cheating you guys. Don't earn that she was in
episode one and then she was in the finale. But
there's still also six episodes where she's in cages fighting
with al Ron, kissing al Ron. Yeah, yeah, thinking of
Sara on, lots of Rons going on, talking about that
million time fuck all. But well there we allays Joe,
we have done it. We will be back at some point.
It's probably gonna be two years from now for Rings
of Power season two. They say they're still doing it,
so we will be there, but the next time, at
least these boys for sure Dylan Kirkland, Lord of the
Rings War for the we're here and that'll be reviewed,
so we'll go for that. And we've, as we've said before,
reviewed every single thing Lord of the Rings on the Feed,
animated films, Hobbit, Lord of the Rings films, so if
you're interested, go back and listen. Those are some fun
things there. So yes, thank you very much for being
back with us and the journey in the Middle Earth.
And I promise when you hear from us next you'll
not be boring.
Speaker 4: Good