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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Rings

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of Power Reviews, whatever you call it. This is the

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season two finale, taking you from Taylor because we're going

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quick and I need to get that thumb nail going

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I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I am the Man of many names, kirklem Paths.

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Speaker 3: Hey, my name is Dylan the Grand Dalf taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: So as we do here, we're always working hard at

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Geek First, so as you will see when you wake

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up this morning, they'll be a Ring of Power review

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and they'll be a joker fully do review. So very

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late night for us. So all I'm gonna say is

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everything you need to know is down below for our links,

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which is happening November two. That's our twenty four hour

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ever got eight things lined up, but just twenty four

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the line. I'll shave that if we hit a certain goal.

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so we could appreciate you supporting it and then coming

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out that day. Dyl Muss, what did you think about

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the ending of season two for Rings of Power?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 5: How did I feel about the ending of Rings of Power?

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I feel like it's but as rushed as your intro there,

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you know, you're really just trying to get through it all,

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just trying to cram it all in there. I going

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into this finale after last week. I was like, Okay,

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I know that a lot of this stuff is going

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to be passed over really quick, you know, even if

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it's a longer episode, which it was.

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Speaker 3: It was like one ten, right.

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Speaker 5: I just knew that we were going to be rushing

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through quite a lot of things, and it felt that

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way because of course you're going to at screen time

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with every single character and storyline and kind and try

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and wrap everything up nicely. I had a fun time

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with the episode, actually, I did enjoy it, but I

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do think there's a lot of things that are just

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it feels like there was definitely an episode missing between

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the last episode and this one in terms of particularly a.

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Speaker 3: A couple of storylines.

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Speaker 5: I'll just say I'll leave it at that for non

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spoilers purposes. So it definitely felt like we skipped over

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some things there and then yeah, just a couple of

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things resolve a bit too quickly in my mind. But

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also it doesn't feel like there's much of a resolution

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to almost anything at the end of the season as well.

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It feels very much like, oh yeah, this is season

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two of a five season series. So yeah, I had

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a good enough time with it. Nothing too bad in here.

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I think I always come back to like writing and

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sometimes acting are things that get dinged points for me

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on this show, and I don't think there was any

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of those things that I would ding this week.

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Speaker 3: So it was pretty decent overall.

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Speaker 1: Mis Fields.

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h Yes, I think that you're right, Dell in This

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episode was rushed. There was a lot of storylines that

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were going on, and just for one episode, that one

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hour ish Mark just kind.

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Speaker 6: Of cap it all off.

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Speaker 4: It's it's not ideal, But that being said, as messy

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as something's kind of were throughout this season, where we

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got to here, I feel I feel pretty content and

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pretty happy about it. It sets up some more turmoil

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obviously the things to come our way, so that definitely

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has me excited. But I there's one thing in particular

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with one of our characters that we had occurred that

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really pulled me out of it. That aside, I think

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everything else is it was pretty great. The stuff going

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and just fucking nuts, So that's that's cool. And yeah,

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say other than I really I did enjoy the episode.

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so he just wanted to be last. But yeah, I'm

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which is good because this season was pretty rocky for me.

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it's ending on a pause. And note, like Dylan said,

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this is supposed to be five seasons, so I get it.

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will they do this? How will they do this? And

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the answer is they won't and it's fine because they

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are doing more seasons, and that's fine. I think they

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had some multiple fan services in there, so I guess

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you get that for you know, kind of maybe general

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audiences or people wanting some payoffs, so you have that

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going on. I actually, you know, like the majority of

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the mini fights we had going on here. Yeah, there's

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some developments I like happening. I agree to you. I

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think I know what moment's talking about and really not

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a not a fan of that moment. That that's the

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thing with this show. And I think there's even one

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thing in the middle too, I'm excited to talk about

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or intrigued to talk about, because I'm not sure how

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you know, good choice or is a bad choice. I

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don't think is that. Maybe it's more like a two

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to one comparison where there'll be two things where're like, oh,

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oh like this doesn't flow out the story, or I

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don't think this matches with the character, or just kind

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of I won't say dumb, that sounds mean, but just

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it doesn't play exactly right. And I think this season

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suffered from that a lot more than last season. Not

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sure what that is. I'm hoping, you know, minor sports.

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together next year or next season, so I hope that

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will maybe help. Is not being spread so thin like

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butter over a toast. But yeah, so overall it ends

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on a positive note. But I definitely don't think I'm

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the not doom, the starm reveal everything, where now it's like, Okay,

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too invested or I'm not invested as I'd like to be,

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but I still enjoyed my time with it. And it

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wasn't last week. We're last week again. That's where I'm

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still excited for the show, because last week I think

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was if not, my favorite episode in the top three.

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it's not a finale. It's gonna be something in like

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a year. You guys will have to remind me on

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or I'll have to think hard, like okay, what happened

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right that happened? Uh? And again I think this it's

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gonna be tough because there's just certain storylines you just

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you can't really pay off because some of them pay

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off and lower the ring. So it's like a very

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tighte like like small tight rope. They gotta walk in

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between of like not going to a certain point, but

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then you also gotta feel fulfilled. So I don't know,

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but that's where I am so a little mixed to

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mixed a positive i'd say pirkle.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, uh, I think overall I would pass

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this up episode for sure, and to end the season off.

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the end of the season and just going towards season

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three not I don't know. Having some intrigue going forward

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is always always nice. But I feel like I have

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a similar feeling now that I did at the end

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of season one, where like now that I'm just looking

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back on it, it's just like, man, they made some

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missteps in my mind, and I don't know, I'm able

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to just like look at it and really just be

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disappointed that they have even made the decision to go

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down certain plot routes because I just think, in hindsight,

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it's such a waste of time, like we could have

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spent so much more time with some interesting parts in

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the show, and to me, I feel like that is

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like major knocks off because it's just trying to put

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too much food in your mouth and you're just choking

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on the product instead of being able to savor it.

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and I think this episode didn't have a lot of

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those moments, but it's just it was like, oh, yeah, right,

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just like, holy fuck, I do not care about this

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at all. But you know, we'll get there when we

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get there. But there's definitely still some some good juice

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that I like this because this is just like a

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good performance or like, you know, some good lines being dropped,

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and I'm like, I shouldn't like this, my lower junkie

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and me shouldn't like this, but I do because it's

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just it's well done.

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Speaker 7: I feel like this episode maybe had the most visual

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moments where I'm like, wow, that actually doesn't look that great,

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like cgi background, like it didn't look as polished. There's

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a beautiful, dark thing that happens in this episode that

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just like holy fuck eye candy for sure, But I

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think near the end not really spoilers, but there's just

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some bright stuff that's going on, and I think whenever

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is just like really noticeable. But I'm kind of splitting

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hairs here. I think overall it is still a positive

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way to end the season off.

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Speaker 2: And uh yeah, I am.

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Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to to where we're going because a

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lot of the stuff that we're kind of leading off

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in I actually am not very familiar on. So I

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think that'll actually help my overall enjoyment because whenever it's like, Okay,

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then it deviates, it's like, oh okay, yeah, we're jumping

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across and then again the Lord JUNKIEMI is just not

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a big fan of certain things going on.

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Speaker 2: But uh yeah, let's just jump into it.

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Speaker 1: There we go, We're gonna jump, we're gonna get froggy,

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and we'll be right back and we're back. Where do

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Speaker 5: Maybe this could be a couple of quick notes here,

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but maybe just get like some of this newmanor sealed.

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Speaker 3: Door and stuff out of the way.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 5: This, and I feel like because when I was watching

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the sequence I could just feel the dust gathering in

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my eyes and getting a bit sleepy as I was

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watching it.

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Speaker 3: But so Ellen deal, who's the sealed Door's father? Right,

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He's he left?

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Speaker 5: I couldn't tell if he had already left like the

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island of Numore in like that final shot when he's

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looking back.

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Speaker 3: When he's looking back, what is he even looking at?

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Speaker 7: He's looking at like the capital of New Minor, like

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where he was. And then because he mentions.

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Speaker 3: To it looked like it was like on fire. I

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because they're like rating right, they're like like probably

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burning down like the Faithful shrines and like just like

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kicking the doors and ripping people out of their homes.

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just like there's flames in the streets, especially I imagine

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there's like districts in the town that are like really

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heavy faithful, so they're probably just.

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Speaker 2: Burning down those homes and stuff.

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Speaker 7: And maybe if you know, we didn't spend time with

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some hardfoots, we could have actually focused on some new

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memory and stuff, so we could have detailed exactly what's

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Speaker 2: In that, but also the Newmorian stuff wasn't even that great, so.

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and then what is where is a seal He's on

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a boat a sealed door.

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Speaker 3: At the end of this is he going back?

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Speaker 2: He's going back to New Minor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a place you want to be right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Like, are him and going to cross paths or

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do they.

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Speaker 7: Just definitely continue to be because is going to see

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an arion Now I'm glad that he actually mentioned that name.

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Speaker 2: I got pretty excited about that.

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Speaker 7: But he's going like west on the Island, so okay,

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leaving the island of no Yeah, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: I think my prediction is season three finale, that's when

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they mate back up. That's what I think is gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: You're probably right.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like this show has certain ways, and

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that's what they'll have spent a whole season apart. And

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can we throw a seal door into this New Minor

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stuff too? Because I don't have much say. They're like, yeah,

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like the arondeer is you know, adopted son or whatever,

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the fact that they hug and they're just like, oh,

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this journey we've been on together. It's like we see

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them like twice this season end. To me, it wasn't

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that for much.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: At first it was like a like tension, like can

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we trust each other sort of deal, right, and then

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it was like, I guess we're together. Like I did

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not feel even we had another goodbye in this episode

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that I feel like a bit more emotional for, but

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not as much as I wanted to same thing here.

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It's like this is not earned at all, this whole

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all we've we've grown together and nit Dad so everything

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from a seal door to numon or even though I

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got a good laugh out of when she gives was

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the Silver's stead again, Lindil lind deal, I laugh when

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she gave that sword and they literally just redid the

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shot from Return the Kings where erion I'm like, there

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is that and then.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I loved it. Though I loved.

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Speaker 1: It, even the Hobbit speech at the end, I was like,

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all right, I get it, You're doing Sam's speech from

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Two Towers. Like I felt like there was a lot

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of force awakens isms in this episode of like, yeah,

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remember you know that Peter Jackson trilogy And I was like, ah,

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I don't think you can call upon that here. So

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but yeah, I it's kind of consistent for me the

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whole season. I think again this episode, there's just multiple

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actors that are just not great in the Newman or stuff.

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I think it's a little intriguing at least, like the

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Still Doors going back to a place that he doesn't

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he doesn't know what's going on. So there could be

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something there for that character next season to hopefully be

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smart and rise up and has some urgency and me

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to care about this character and maybe he helps people

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out there in need, whatever it is, like, I hope

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he goes back there and there's something to give him

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to do and not he's like a prisoner that his

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dad has to.

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Speaker 2: Say at some point ninety. I am confident that's gonna

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be the case. I know.

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Speaker 1: That's my one hope is maybe he gets a hero

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arc next season. But so there's there's intrigue there, But

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I don't trust the execution because some of the new

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More stuff to me either's just been bad or I

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just haven't been invested in any of this. I don't

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think they've given it the time and then the time

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we have gone there. Even in this episode, it just

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feels just like the sild or given that guy hug

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just feels like we're missing pieces or episodes of did

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I miss something? I was like, no, they didn't know

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each other that long, but they had a hug. And

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I guess that kid's on his own now, which again

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Tylor asked me a couple epscotes to go, who would

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I cut? Like, I hope that's kind of the end

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of him for a bit. You know, he's just hanging

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out in his homestead and that's it, because what else

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do we need to see that kid character now? You know, like,

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what else does he give to the plot? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I did love the moment though, when our far Zarn's

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son comes to this outpost to kind of pretty much

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take it over and be like, hey, we're just gonna

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make this like a new minor war outpost and like

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we don't really give a shit if you disagree with

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that idea. And so he's there and interacts with the

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sealed door, and I love that sequence when a seal

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door is like, ah, yes, I haven't seen you in

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so long, and then he's talking to his friends. He's like, ah,

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back in neumanor my you know, my father's head of

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the guard and saying all this stuff, and the guy's like, oh,

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the tables have turned. Your father is actually exiled and

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now my father is in control.

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Speaker 3: I just thought that was so funny, just like this reality.

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Speaker 5: Slimming back to him because he's been gone for months

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or years or wherever long it's been.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the Newman Norse, I think across the board has

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been mostly disappointing for me. I think this episode was

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probably the most intrigued I've been all this whole season,

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just because it like they're getting straight to just burning

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down like the Faithfuls like belief, Like you know, we

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already seen them burn the shrine, but now they're actually

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like kicking in the doors and like arresting people, and

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it's just it's just like turned up, like to an

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extreme limit. I didn't like the build up of it

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because it just seemed kind of cheesy, especially you know,

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brought up the Eagles in the past, but it's just

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like I didn't like the whole execution of that, and

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I like that we just kind of okay, let's just

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let's just get right to it, and now we're now

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we're actually ripping people out of their homes and it's

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just heating up. So I am excited to jump into

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next season and see where Numnor's at, even though I

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didn't love the new Minorian stuff in this season, just

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because I am expecting somewhat of a time jump to

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see what the rule shift has been. Although we have

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I don't know, we also haven't maybe focused in certain areas.

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Speaker 2: That I would have wanted new Minor.

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Speaker 7: I am really looking forward to seeing an Aaryan that, like, man,

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just I'm so hyped about that. It's a character that

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I really don't know too much about, Like I haven't

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really read about him in the in the books.

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Speaker 2: Mostly just like a situation.

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Speaker 7: It could be it very much could be so high expectations,

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but I don't know. I'm I was let down by

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a sealed door, so it could very much happen about

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an Arian. But uh, yeah, I'm I'm just excited to

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get like a len Deal's interaction with him, and yeah

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you you you brought up like the comparisons with the

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Peter Jackson I agree with, like the Andy lines, it

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seems I don't think it was Norri's line. It might

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have been Tom Bombadil or Gandalf at the end, like

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I swear they said one line.

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Speaker 2: I can't even remember what it was.

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Speaker 7: It felt like exactly what they said like in the

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Fellowship or something.

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Speaker 5: The Bumba line was like almost equivalent to like the

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Wizard never doesn't arrive early. D Any means to you

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had a very similar cadence that he was talking about that.

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Speaker 2: I think it was another one too.

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Speaker 1: It was like, because it's when Gandalf comes back in

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Two Towers. It's like Gandalf is a Gandalf. That's what

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you called what it was, and that and that's what

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they'll call me, and that's like that's again. It's a

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weird situation where it's like you're not like that's not

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you're not a part of that. Like I get it.

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You can do they can do that. They can make

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those illusions. I think my problem is.

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Speaker 3: Dare you stand where you stood?

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Speaker 1: It starts to feel like fan filmy in a way

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where it's like, well, we don't have the right side.

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It's like that's something we would do because like, well

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we can't make the rights, but we want to elude. Hey,

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we're making this fan film. So it's just there was

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like that I didn't even catch the bombda on. So

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it's like five instances where it's like kind of ripped,

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like like riffing on the Jackson trilogy. And it's just

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it's just I don't need them to say exact lines

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that they're gonna say thousands of years later.

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Speaker 4: Again, well they did that with in the first season,

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right like when like a doubt always follow your nose.

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And then the last episode they like Bombadil Bombadil tells Gandolf.

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Speaker 6: And I saw a comparison to this.

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Speaker 4: Bumbaddo tells them like these who deserve to die live

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and those who live deserve deaths or whatever, like the

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goalm speech.

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Speaker 6: That's exactly it the same.

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Speaker 7: I can't remember I was last episode of this episode.

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I'm mixing on them all all together now. But when

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he mentions pity and he's like.

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Speaker 3: Pity, pity is what stayed Bilbo's blade, it's like.

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Speaker 7: The yahout like they talk and like, yeah, it's very similar.

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But I feel like this episode had more of those

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comparisons than any other, so just really stood out. But

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all that being said, I loved when he pulled out

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in nar Hill and it's just like the total I

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don't know, like it is like the exact same shot

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Return of the King. But it's also like that's also

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the sword that our king gets in Return of the King.

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So I I just thought it was a really really

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really cool moment, especially having it like in its original

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form and like this is the first time a Lendial

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is getting it. So I I was definitely eating up

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that that that cheesy one.

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Speaker 1: Just do something cool like make your own shot though, No,

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but make your own cool shot. Don't make it just like, oh,

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we're gonna play on that cool shot that we did

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already without it.

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Speaker 2: This is a fine sword, like.

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Speaker 1: Nothing more than a broken blade. It's not broken, it's fine.

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Speaker 6: But what is what is the sword like?

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Speaker 3: Made from it?

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Speaker 4: It's made from like is Alvin crafted? Like what makes the.

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Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure it was made by like a dwarf

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from the first Age or like like an age and

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angelic type character like it is. It's got a lot

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of history, more so than just where we are right now.

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Speaker 1: Sar On Nethrill. That's what I was made for.

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Speaker 2: His blood more God's blood.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't really have much more than like us,

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what's going on? And I guess we didn't see exactly

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what happened to the queen, Like it was when we're

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just cows over, she's just coughed and someone was kind

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of reading her.

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Speaker 1: She'll be in prison next year, and you know, so

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go back and then they'll have a conversation. Even though

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they're like starting to kill and execute people, why would

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they keep her alive? I really don't know. I'm sure

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they'll come with some bullshit reason, but yeah, she's gonna

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be cancuffed, and yeah I did chuckle though.

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Speaker 7: When our fire zone comes out, it's like we've been

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looking into fine details and we finally figured.

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Speaker 2: Out how she survived.

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Speaker 7: And it's just like it's as if they're like, Okay,

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how are we gonna figure out how we're gonna explain

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this to our people? And they come out like, okay,

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we finally figured it out. It was Saron that helped

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them out. It's just like, oh my god, this is

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so fucking dumb.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like any character she should turn around

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be like, well, it's sorrow that gave them some like

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the eagle that can't. Like anytime someone just says it's

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so on, everyone's like, oh, that person's cool.

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00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,839
Speaker 2: It's just the reason right, like, oh no, it's just

474
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,319
sour On and like I.

475
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,519
Speaker 1: Didn't cheat on you saw made me cheat on you? Yes,

476
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:38,920
you would do that.

477
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 4: Someone sent that information to them, right, like it had

478
00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:44,400
to have been the penant here?

479
00:20:46,039 --> 00:20:46,839
Speaker 6: Is that what it was?

480
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 2: Like, that's what ours On's just been slurping on with

481
00:20:50,519 --> 00:20:51,160
his hand.

482
00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:55,559
Speaker 7: And so so I don't think Saron has one right now,

483
00:20:55,599 --> 00:20:56,079
but they could.

484
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,119
Speaker 2: They could very much just make it that.

485
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 4: I just think it's where that it's his. I mean

486
00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:04,200
obviously he's king, but it's his word against everyone else's, right, Like, oh,

487
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,000
I just present this document that says Souron and that

488
00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:09,160
means that Soaron is the cause of everything. I just

489
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,160
assumed that it was like go Golad that sent out

490
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,920
letters to everyone like hey, Soaron is actually Halbrand and

491
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,079
you know you had Halbrand on numanor so watch out.

492
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

493
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 7: It just like for me, it just seemed like why

494
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,240
even have her go through the trial if they're just

495
00:21:24,279 --> 00:21:27,000
gonna like next episode like no, okay, you know that

496
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:27,440
didn't work.

497
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 2: It was actually sad.

498
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,039
Speaker 7: Yeah, So it's like I thought that was a big

499
00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:32,079
moment of like holy fuck, they thought that they were

500
00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:34,119
so right. They make her do the trial and now

501
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,559
they're losing like the faith of the people because it's like,

502
00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:38,559
oh my god, it actually is the Valar looking out

503
00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:41,359
for her. And in this episode it's like, oh no, no, yeah,

504
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,240
we did some digging and it was Souron that did along.

505
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 2: It's like, oh okay, and then they just arrest everyone.

506
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 7: So I liked the moment of all the arresting, but

507
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,240
it's just like the reasoning for it. It's just wow, that's

508
00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:54,400
pretty fucking lazy in my mind. But whatever, I guess

509
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,680
we're just moving on to next season and we'll play

510
00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:58,880
like an arion and I hope I start liking more

511
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,240
of this New Minorian stuff. But yeah, very sloppy, I

512
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,160
think across the board.

513
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 2: Like like last.

514
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 7: Season it was the excitement of seeing Numanor for the

515
00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,200
first time and like I just like the introduction of it.

516
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,680
But yeah, definitely, I don't know if it's like my

517
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,119
biggest drop off in disappointed or like of how would

518
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,680
you say that my biggest drop off from where I

519
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,720
was loving New Minor to where I am now, And

520
00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:25,240
it's just like, man, that's very disappointing coming off of

521
00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:27,319
last season. I don't think it's quite that because there

522
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:28,519
is something that I really didn't like.

523
00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:31,599
Speaker 2: But yeah, Neumanir sucks.

524
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,079
Speaker 1: Numanor sucks well talking about what sucks because we're trying

525
00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:36,279
to get some native stuff, by the way, and they

526
00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:39,559
get into positives. Taylor, what was your sarn moment that

527
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,720
you did not enjoy? That I think we share, but

528
00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:43,359
I just want to confirm.

529
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,759
Speaker 4: You know, it just brought a tear to my eye. Yeah,

530
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,160
watching it, Yeah.

531
00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 6: I just was not a fan. I like Surron cried

532
00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:51,920
in this episode.

533
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 4: I did not like it.

534
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 6: Did not need to see that at all.

535
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,079
Speaker 4: And how I understand he's been isolated and alone with

536
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,839
Kelibrimbaorugh in this tower for a long time. They formed

537
00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:03,960
like a bromance and it's just very passionate, heated and

538
00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:07,599
intense this kinship. And I finally Keller Brimboo was at

539
00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:13,039
Death's door doorstop doorstep and was calling Sarn out for

540
00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:16,480
all this bullshit, and obviously he hit a nerve and

541
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,000
and and something inside Saron, and I don't like that.

542
00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:25,640
I feel like Saron is not an emotional little adolescent

543
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:26,880
here like Soaron is.

544
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 6: He's a fucking lieutenant.

545
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 4: Of Morgoth right, Like this fucker has been through so

546
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,640
much shit, died so many times, come back, and he

547
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,759
should not be in this situation where he's emotionally compromised

548
00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:42,839
because someone just calls him out like it just doesn't

549
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,799
make sense to me. He should be super composed and yeah,

550
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:49,680
I don't know. It just did not sit well with me,

551
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,799
and it totally pulled me out of that moment of

552
00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:54,359
the character because when we first get introduced to this scene,

553
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,279
Keller Brimble with arrows and he's just being like target practice.

554
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: Like two episodes in a row we got bor mirror victory.

555
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,599
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe this is fucking brutal, and then he

556
00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:06,960
just like pins him up on this spear like it's

557
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:10,359
fucking crazy. Like but just the fact that they undid

558
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,480
all that with the crying really is shitty. I can

559
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:15,480
I can let it slide because of where it goes

560
00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:17,400
after the fact. I really like the Sarah and stuff

561
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,839
after that, but just that one scene alone, that's that's

562
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:20,559
not my Sara on.

563
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: I just think like, for me, I'm I don't like

564
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,000
it at all fronts because I disagree with you that

565
00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:30,319
they build some sort of relationship. Like nine percent of

566
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,440
the time, he's just tricking the dude and lying to him.

567
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,640
So that's not like a real relation. Yeah he's that's

568
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:40,440
not a real he's just using him for greater means.

569
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:44,640
And then yeah, I'm supposed to believe that, Okay, he's

570
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,200
put like seventeen arrows into him, but he's gonna feel

571
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,440
a little bad, or I'm supposed to believe that, you know,

572
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:53,160
Calibrinborom's words are they get to him? But I just

573
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,279
didn't think it was anything that while we're in was like, wow,

574
00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:57,960
that really stuck with me. So when he stopped and

575
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,240
he's staring at him, I'm like, oh no, don't that.

576
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,960
Don't do this. And then I started to see his eyes

577
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,160
well like okay, just leave it at that, and then

578
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,279
the single tear rolled down. He's like, uh so, yeah, no,

579
00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:09,079
I'm with you. I've had that problem with again with

580
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:11,519
the show, where I feel like they've taken certain characters

581
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:13,359
and they're trying to do the Fannels thing of like, well,

582
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,759
there's a reason they're this bad. But I think you

583
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:18,920
can still, especially in Lord of the Rings, which is

584
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,920
a very much a good and evil Taiale, I don't

585
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,039
think this stuff's need for some even if they want

586
00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:26,319
to do this with Gladual because I don't know. They're

587
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,960
laid on so thick. He had like seventeen lines about

588
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,599
like I still love you, I still like you, the

589
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:31,400
doors still open, you.

590
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 7: Want to part yeah, and Gladual three like five times

591
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,839
like no, thank you, no thank you, Like it' not happening,

592
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,839
Like it's not like the Railo thing where they're like.

593
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,319
Speaker 1: My door's open, the door's closed, Like she's just like

594
00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:46,200
annoy them. Even then, I could say, well, there's he

595
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:49,200
is admitting that he did feel something for in that moment.

596
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,960
Right He's saying like not everything was illusion, So he's

597
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,640
admitting that there was some part of them, whether people

598
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,720
like it or not, that he was digging glad Real

599
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,079
so I could buy something with her and maybe a

600
00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:02,279
tear coming out this stuff with cal Brimborm. Absolutely not see.

601
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,119
I did not enjoy that either.

602
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't. I didn't like it either.

603
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 7: I think for me it wasn't as egregious, just because

604
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,680
this whole season, pretty much this whole show, Charlie Vicker's

605
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,839
like portrayal of Saron, whether it's Halbrand or Anatar, it

606
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,519
is a very emotional character, right, Like whether he's playing

607
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:29,960
it for I don't know, just just winning over people.

608
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000
But like I feel like throughout this season is shown

609
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,960
that like this is something really important to him of

610
00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:38,839
creating a new Middle Earth, which is basically purging it

611
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,440
and like just becoming like a tyrant for the entire

612
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,920
Middle Earth. But he still wants to create this this

613
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:49,599
thing because like in his mind, he's never just achieved it,

614
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:51,680
and he's come this close and he felt like he's

615
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:55,240
put well he's literally put himself into this product and

616
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,279
and like he just wants to see it done. I

617
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,160
would prefer know, like not seeing a tear there. I

618
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,599
think I think this is the best acting like Charlie,

619
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:08,000
like I've seen from Charlie Vickers, like throughout the whole

620
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,119
show is specifically as this character anatar, like he's just

621
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,720
had a lot more range, I think than what he

622
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:16,319
had and how as hal Brand. But in that scene,

623
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:19,680
like he just I feel like he was really showing

624
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:24,559
menace behind like his his emotion, like like it seems

625
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:27,519
like there's a dark something behind those eyes, even though

626
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:29,680
it does have a tear to it. And I don't know,

627
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,880
I think I'm just maybe bringing in my own things

628
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,559
into this because I was just trying to like defend

629
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:35,799
the scene because I just like the acting. I like

630
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,359
Kelibrin boor just fucking skewed like a bore on the

631
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:43,480
like on the pillars. Just yeah, just it was wild

632
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:47,319
to see that, and uh, what a tortured character, for sure.

633
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:50,400
But for me, it's it's mostly just so around wanting

634
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,240
to be able to create this thing that you could

635
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,119
like I don't know, I I just feel like he's

636
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,640
also always been like trying to be that master smith.

637
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,079
This is going back to like when he was a

638
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,480
maar and like training as like a smith.

639
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: Below alay way ai, I think that's right.

640
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 7: So I'm kind of just pulling it from that, and

641
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,640
he's just always been like not good enough to create

642
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,359
the perfect thing in his mind. He's so close and

643
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,680
he doesn't get it. So it's like, okay, I can

644
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,640
kind of look past the tear.

645
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,559
Speaker 2: But fair points.

646
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:22,759
Speaker 7: For sure, I definitely don't think he should be a

647
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:25,559
character that's like crying when it doesn't go his way.

648
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,680
But yeah, I don't know, it didn't bother me maybe

649
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:32,680
as much as I like it should have.

650
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,799
Speaker 2: Maybe, but yeah, yeah, fair points.

651
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: I don't think I was really bothered by it.

652
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,039
Speaker 2: At all.

653
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not like he burst into tears and

654
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,839
it got in his way and then he got like

655
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,920
overthrown and hit.

656
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: This whole plan failed. I think that would have been

657
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,680
a little a little too much for sure.

658
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 5: But just like you know, a little emotion here there

659
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,720
for some people that he cares for, respects or spend

660
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:55,440
a lot of time with.

661
00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

662
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 5: I guess I didn't really have an issue with it.

663
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,680
But I'll tell you what, I was not shedding a

664
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,200
tier when Calibrin Bore finally bit it. I've I've I

665
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:08,119
had enough time within this season. There were good moments,

666
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,200
but there were also a lot of cheesy or bad moments.

667
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,400
So I think he finally he had a good arc.

668
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,519
Speaker 3: I'll say that. So he's he's finally gone.

669
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:19,799
Speaker 5: Though we actually got some some big debts in this

670
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,480
episode saying bye to some people.

671
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we lost him. We lost another character coming up,

672
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:29,559
but and I wonder if they didn't die. But there's

673
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,440
certain characters that we said we talked about a Rondeer's

674
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,559
adopted son, maybe the Halflings. Like there's certain characters I

675
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:38,400
think should probably go away for a bit, right, Like,

676
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,119
I just don't know what there is to do for them.

677
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,319
I'm sure I'm wrong, and I'm sure the halflings are

678
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:43,920
going to be heading home and there meet a Rondier

679
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,200
son and then it's like the fucking kids squad and

680
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,279
they're doing something. But I'm hoping with Calibrinbourne and a

681
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,759
Rondier now with the other elves, that's to me like

682
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:58,319
two story threads kind of gone or put somewhere else.

683
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,519
Speaker 6: So we lost the as well.

684
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:06,519
Speaker 1: Oh my god, poor guy. So we have Yeah, let's

685
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:08,799
go there. Let's talk about Adder, which who was So

686
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,160
first of all, I had this moment. I don't know why,

687
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,559
I just thought, man, they're gonna piss off Kirkland. What's

688
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,680
I always forget? What's glad Real's husband name? Calibourne. So

689
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,279
when Adaur had the ring and he still be looking

690
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,960
on our elve, and I thought for sure he was

691
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,559
gonna be I thought, so the way he's like that

692
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,359
wasn't my name, it was like, fucking god, they're.

693
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: Gonna do it.

694
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: And because they've they've made them like google eyes at

695
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,359
each other before, but no, it just results to the

696
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:44,000
orcster and murdering him. Now the little surn helmet was there.

697
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,880
Am I to believe that he's like mind controlling them

698
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,799
now right, or did they turn on their own? Yeah?

699
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:54,039
Speaker 2: No, no, whish, I don't.

700
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: Think he's doing it was yes or no, it was

701
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:57,880
it was a he's controlling.

702
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 4: I think he's just persuading them because they use mind controlling.

703
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,559
Then they wouldn't have they wouldn't have conflicted with him

704
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:04,920
and said, oh many yours.

705
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,359
Speaker 1: I think it's like step back or step.

706
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 7: Back, like, especially after he murders the family org, it's

707
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,839
just like, holy fuck, what did we do? Like this

708
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,759
is now our tyrannical ruler. It's like, what the fuck

709
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:16,279
do you can do this plot in the first place

710
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:17,640
with an OAR at all?

711
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,519
Speaker 1: Whatever I agree at our or some social respective that

712
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,680
I'll circle back by saying, Okay, he's not doing mind control,

713
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,039
like literally like the but is he doing the thing

714
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,480
that he did in a rag around where he's like, oh, well,

715
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:32,319
you know, you could be with me, we could like

716
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,799
is it that thing? Because they specifically showed that helmet

717
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:37,519
and then the next cut to the ORCS that's when

718
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:40,240
they're all like they all looked at our. So it

719
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:42,359
was like to me trying to show that Okay, it's

720
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,079
not like, I don't think they just mutinied against ad Our.

721
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,200
I didn't take it like that, which is weird because

722
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,519
they were trying to set that story on up last week,

723
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,200
and then the work with the family to me, just

724
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,880
became completely like Bucky from MSU Phase one three where

725
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,640
he was mind wipe and just what do you do?

726
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,960
So to me, I think he was influenced whatever. And

727
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,039
then I agree with the Kirkle in this whole storyline

728
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,759
even last week. Why if Adar was gonna sacrifice himself

729
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:10,640
for like saying like I'll do anything to keep my

730
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:13,000
Orc safe, why last week did they make him an

731
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,279
asshole to the Orcs? Like everything to do with this

732
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,039
Orc storyline, even Sar on the Orcs and hour I

733
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,960
think completely got waffled here in these last two episodes.

734
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 5: So and I don't know, really, I do feel like

735
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Adar had some change of heart or realization after he

736
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,799
was wearing the ring a little bit, like that cleared

737
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:34,720
his mind somewhat and like put him in a different

738
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:39,319
headspace and realized that like life is precious, uh, and he.

739
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: Should he should carry these people again.

740
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 5: So it's still I mean, I still think he did

741
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,119
go overboard last week no matter what. Yeah, Hey, he

742
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,799
was in the fucking heat of the battle and they'd

743
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:49,799
been building up for surement for years, right, so you

744
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,519
can kind of understand the adrenaline mode and pumping through

745
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:54,799
his body at that point. He got, you know, pretty

746
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,799
much a kill on Iran Deer, one of the highest

747
00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:59,279
ranked members of the Elvin Armies that you know that

748
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,079
would do something for you too, even though we're on

749
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,079
here just like shows up in this episode.

750
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,559
Speaker 1: No big moment, He's just there.

751
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,279
Speaker 5: It's like they cut his random when he popped up

752
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,559
in here. I was like, oh, I guess he's all right.

753
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:14,720
Then I saw weird ending for him last last episode.

754
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:17,400
But uh yeah, I I I this is something that

755
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,200
I was a little curious about. I guess the way

756
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,519
I'm kind of taking it is that I don't think

757
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:25,400
he's like actively doing a constant state of mind magic

758
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,319
on them like he was for Caliber more or like

759
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,880
keeping him in his tower there. But I guess it's

760
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,720
just like it doesn't take much to sway their minds

761
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:37,000
of the Uric because they're just not very strong mentally.

762
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,400
Their mental resolve is not there, so it's probably a

763
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,039
lot easier to sway them with just like one foul

764
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,039
swoop almost and I don't know, like that's the thing

765
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:48,200
is though, Like at the end of the last episode

766
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,920
and why I think there was something missing in between

767
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
last episode and this is like there were so many

768
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,000
freaking orcs get just get like on the battlefield, getting

769
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,319
into a regular and I feel like we kind of

770
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:00,680
cut away from that, and then start of this episode

771
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,720
they just like have fully captured the city and like

772
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,279
everyone's like locked up. Uh, and it just it just

773
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:07,839
seemed like a bit of a weird transition to me.

774
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,559
But it's like there are so many of them that

775
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:14,400
it's hard for me to like understand completely how Soron

776
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:16,480
was able to do this where it's like does he

777
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:18,199
have to do this magic on every single one of

778
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,360
them or is he just do it on like a

779
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,599
few leaders and the leaders like everyone like underneath just

780
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,880
follows suit and they're like, oh, yeah, we'll just follow.

781
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: Our new leader now.

782
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 5: I guess even though I've never met the guy, but uh,

783
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,239
and I had a dad and I like to following

784
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,559
my dad, But I guess the soro On guy. Everyone

785
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:34,199
else is saying he's pretty cool or they just like

786
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,719
ants like they just followed the pack in that way.

787
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: Even though some years months ago, whether it's myself or

788
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,559
my friend, Orcs have mutilated sorrow like the person on

789
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,119
a song, right, they killed him as a group, then

790
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:47,079
you need against him.

791
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,039
Speaker 5: So it's just it's a weird choice for them to

792
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:51,920
really try and humanize the Orcs and give them more

793
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,599
of like a human like personality, but then also make

794
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,639
them just like mindless cannon fodder type enemies who will

795
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:03,000
follow anyone for like nearly any reason. That's made me

796
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:04,480
a bit of an exaggeration, but it did.

797
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:05,599
Speaker 3: It did feel that that was.

798
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 5: One of the things among many that felt rushed in

799
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,320
this episode for me, is just oh yeah, I'm the

800
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,159
king of the Orcs, now, deal with it.

801
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: The Orcs. Yeah, well, too bad for that that Orc

802
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,039
lady with that baby. You know she's now a widow

803
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,679
and that uh orc has still father now, so that's

804
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:28,039
what a shame. Hopefully some give them a nice home

805
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:32,440
and everything, but uh yeah no, it's uh I'm I

806
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,719
hope next year it's just mean Orc city no more

807
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,719
with the Orcs. Have them be what they've always been,

808
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,000
cannon fodder like that Orc at the beginning too, when

809
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,840
they're like or maybe it's mill that I did like

810
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,480
that scene Alron literally saying take me before you take

811
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,920
these files of Caliber Brown's work.

812
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,079
Speaker 2: And the sacred texts.

813
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to me again, I say, I'm basic bitch

814
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:57,960
right now, but I like that, Like he just burns

815
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,119
the fire, like, yeah, that's my org. That's that's what

816
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,800
these books, these books.

817
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, fuck your books fire.

818
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: Like that's all I like. And then they beat them up,

819
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,119
they set on fire and then kill Gallon and got

820
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:14,960
beat the ship by the works like we got kill them,

821
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,039
but we need to save them for master. But I'm

822
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,719
just like, yeah, that's that's this is this is the

823
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,880
route I want to go, especially with the ending with

824
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:25,480
like sword or shield and the elves picked sword. I

825
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,920
don't need They're with s are On Anatar whatever, who's

826
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,360
to me just evil? I don't care about the tear.

827
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,559
Like now, let's just no more of this family, no

828
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:35,159
more of this is our home. We don't want to

829
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:38,840
go to war there with sar On, evil orcs. Let's

830
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,679
go and I will I'll just say that who they

831
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:44,360
were having an off year happening right now. I hope

832
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,920
this is not returned to in season three, so you.

833
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,599
Speaker 4: Know, just a quick interjection's something that bothers me. And

834
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,719
the whole battle seam with the Orcs and whatnot. Uh,

835
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,880
there's a transition where we're going to a rigium and

836
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,760
the remaining Elvin troops are.

837
00:36:57,639 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: Just getting fucking decim Yeah, not going good.

838
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,079
Speaker 4: There's the one alf that's running on the walls. He

839
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,400
starts speaking out and like Sindarin or something like that, and.

840
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:07,039
Speaker 6: You see him.

841
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,159
Speaker 4: He's got at least three arrows. He fires too. He

842
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:11,480
has one arrow left in his quiver. He does some

843
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:14,719
cool jumps from like rooftops rooftop gives up the high

844
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,760
ground and goes down on ground level with one arrow

845
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,760
left and gets fucking murked instantly. No logistical or tactical

846
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,480
thought put into that that move at all.

847
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:25,679
Speaker 6: It just kind of bothers me.

848
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 5: I was, I was laughing at that pretty and then

849
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,920
out of the fucking other door, Gladul comes out and

850
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,159
fucks up at that enemy.

851
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,679
Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, she's so cool. This guy's an idiot.

852
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,480
But you're right. I don't know what his game plan was,

853
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,000
but it was not a good one.

854
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

855
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,159
Speaker 7: The whole Addar storyline was major disappointing to me in hindsight,

856
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,320
and why even go down that route of trying to

857
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,039
humanize you. I think there was some potential there even

858
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:55,119
like what you mentioned Dylan, like maybe if they like,

859
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:58,000
like you know, maybe if the ring clears his mind

860
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,599
to make him think about that and then he like

861
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:00,440
gives sort.

862
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: Of because it does heal him right, Like it goes

863
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,559
away some of the rot.

864
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,199
Speaker 7: And he feels very different than where he would have

865
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:06,760
been in like the bloodless mode that he was in

866
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,360
last week. And it would have been nice if he

867
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,559
like admitted to Gladuel, like I guess he kind of

868
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,480
did that of like sour On kind of played me,

869
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,960
but like it wasn't exactly the conversation. It was more

870
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,800
so just like I don't know, it didn't it didn't

871
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,960
say it as cleanly as maybe I was I would

872
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,719
have wanted. And then maybe you could transition to him

873
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,360
like addressing his orcs and like admitting how wrong he was,

874
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,960
like I'm so sorry my my children, and then they

875
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:32,800
still stab him, Like I think that would have been

876
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,639
like a bigger moment, but it's just yeah, they just

877
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,719
got him, got him like a fish, and uh, like

878
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:43,159
what a waste? Now, what a waste now and in hindsight,

879
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,000
and they didn't really even like show well they didn't

880
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:50,599
show they didn't show sour on like like like fucking

881
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:53,920
up Orcs or something to like turn them. It's just, oh,

882
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,599
they just they just got at our and we're just

883
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:57,679
going with it and everything they've.

884
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: Shown too, and then like we just see a few turn,

885
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,559
but then all of them have turned.

886
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 7: Like it's like it's like saying, they're just like a

887
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,079
fucking hive mind, like they're cants and they just go

888
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:07,800
that way.

889
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 5: Like that group, it makes sense, like we literally saw

890
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,920
saw her and do that to a group of elves,

891
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,960
make them all kill each other right in the circle

892
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,159
last episode, But like it didn't seem like that's what

893
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:21,920
he was doing there. It seemed like they like they

894
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,840
chose to do that of their own free will at

895
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,079
that point. To me, maybe maybe I'm wrong, maybe he

896
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:26,840
was my controlling.

897
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 6: I think you're right.

898
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: I think it was out of their own their own choice,

899
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,880
and I think they were just fed up because that

900
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:33,480
kept making bad decisions.

901
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: But how does that get to like the Orcs like

902
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,079
hundreds of miles away make the city. That's that's why

903
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:41,000
I think it's more persuasion because it's just.

904
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,519
Speaker 3: Like how much we'll get that.

905
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,119
Speaker 1: Well, no, I know that's what it is, but I'm trying.

906
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:47,880
It's like I'm trying to give them a mulligan, and

907
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,519
it's like, is it a game of telephone where like

908
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,719
add ours and asshole as a like pass it on

909
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,400
and it gets like the Arts.

910
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,199
Speaker 4: In the city weren't like, oh fuck, add are the

911
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,599
Arks in the city. We're like, okay, we got a

912
00:39:56,679 --> 00:40:00,039
new boss. That's it because they're super but submissive, right.

913
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: I guess. But this whole season was showing them, not

914
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:07,519
like showing them that they're not certain. Yeah, they're family, remember,

915
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,239
they don't want to go with them. So like it's

916
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,559
just weird that the the orc burning the books that

917
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,320
gets were and they is okay, I'm back with Sarron,

918
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,840
the guy we killed, or like we're showing that.

919
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: We murdered killed him the exact same way.

920
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 7: Yes, so yeah, yeah, I I I don't have a

921
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,800
problem at all with Souron just like taking over like

922
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,199
the Orcs or the Orux. It just I would have

923
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,760
wished for like a better scene of it happening.

924
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:42,119
Speaker 2: And I think that oh no, I lost my train

925
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,679
of thought. There character name, at our character name, at

926
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,480
our mind.

927
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 7: I think I think what helps me like not mine

928
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,320
the Orcs turning is the fact that, like the Orcs

929
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,840
have already stated of just like the fear factor of

930
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,239
what Souron is. Like early on in the season, they're

931
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,800
like like at our is like talking to them about

932
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,679
sura On, how he's still out there and it is

933
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,880
like the biggest threat to them specifically.

934
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 2: And I think that.

935
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:12,079
Speaker 7: Even though we don't see all the Orcs kind of

936
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,800
thinking that, I think that is a like common knowledge

937
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,360
across the board.

938
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,559
Speaker 2: There's probably a lot there's probably.

939
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 7: Some different intelligence levels in the Eric, so some that

940
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,000
are just completely meat heads and they they don't give

941
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,440
a shit who they're killing. They just are killing each other.

942
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,840
It's kind of my preferred type of order, kind of

943
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,679
like what was shown in the events the Lord of

944
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,079
the Rings, but they just didn't really make an effort

945
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:36,079
of even showing that right like it happens off screen

946
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:39,079
where the turn happens, And it's just because of that,

947
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,960
it's it's just egregious in my mind to even go

948
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:44,719
through the hoops of doing this thing with Adar and

949
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,440
and trying to make us feel for these orcs because

950
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,679
it's just there's there's no there's no satisfaction in it

951
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,719
at all, and I just I feel wasted, and I'm

952
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,840
already I already felt pissed off with with what we

953
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,280
caught numan Or, and then I get this and then

954
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,480
some halfoot stuff later on, and I'm like, fuck, man,

955
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:04,639
there's some shit garbage in this show like.

956
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: That very small though it's true, it's true, and like

957
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,400
I'm blinking you miss it.

958
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,599
Speaker 7: I'm hoping this goodbye at the end is like, okay,

959
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,920
is this actually goodbye? Because you fucking promised me last

960
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,920
season and we got you again this season.

961
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 2: Harfoots and we got the stores. My gosh, come on,

962
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:19,559
get out of my show.

963
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:21,559
Speaker 1: No, when the Harpet's did go with Gandaf, so we

964
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:24,480
know she was gonna be sticking around, right. But my

965
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,639
weird thing with the scene is they showed glad Girl's

966
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:29,639
reaction when they started stabbed, and they did like a

967
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,679
Dutch angle like zoomed up on her. But then I

968
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:33,679
didn't feel like there was much like with her after

969
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,440
I thought her and Adder kind of had like some

970
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,320
sort of connection, but the show just kind of carried on,

971
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,480
and I thought there'd be something even just like a

972
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:43,239
lateral like maybe like his eyes were open, like put

973
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,760
his eyes like just something. But no, just kind.

974
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:46,679
Speaker 6: Of she moved on too.

975
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, she was still too.

976
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: So And at least I will say last week I said,

977
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,599
if at our dies not to Ron Deer, then IRONDI

978
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,880
was like the biggest bitch ever. But he did survive,

979
00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:59,000
so he's not the biggest bitch ever. Now did he

980
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,000
complete his goal?

981
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: Old?

982
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: No, but he can hopefully contribute to the team going forward,

983
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,239
so they they got that. But yeah, no, and then

984
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:06,880
he was up.

985
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: There with the rest of the Linden ll the promotion.

986
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:11,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

987
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, but then yeah and then yeah, Sarron, as

988
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,480
we mentioned, killed the orc with the wife and the child.

989
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:21,440
So and again that's why it's like they try again.

990
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,639
It's do they do that, try and make us like

991
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,159
sorrow on less? I guess right, because they showed us

992
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,639
this orc didn't want Warren stay home. And that's the

993
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:32,159
one that Sarren kills, is this humanized orc. And it's, oh,

994
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,079
that's son so bad. But it's like I think I

995
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:36,960
get the message like how bad he is this season,

996
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:37,440
and it.

997
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 5: Definitely just hits home that he just sees them as

998
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,920
number as numbers and tools rather than people like Adar did.

999
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's take an ad break and then we'll

1000
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:48,800
talk about Sarron because he a little uh fight this episode,

1001
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,119
so we'll be right back and we're back. So yeah,

1002
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,840
I actually really enjoyed to talk about some positive stuff.

1003
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,039
I loved the face off between him and Gladra. I

1004
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:00,639
like all the referring back to being like kind of

1005
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,199
you know, some tension, a romantic tension last year gladyal

1006
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,079
many times it said hey, she didn't say, hey, I

1007
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,960
M I still like the guy, but characters hadn't insinuated that, like, hey,

1008
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,840
like you still have a connection there. She wasn't sure

1009
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:15,360
anytimes she talked about them. The whole brand thing came up.

1010
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,519
So I liked that that was full and I think

1011
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:19,280
they laid it on a bit too thick. A couple

1012
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,119
of times they had Sarn like dropped too many cliche algories.

1013
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:24,599
But I liked that the one the fight. I love

1014
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,960
that Sarn turned into like a video game boss where

1015
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,320
he's just turning into different personalities. I thought that was cool.

1016
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:32,400
And then I think it was cool to have her

1017
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,840
like officially like that storyline's done of the like, oh,

1018
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,079
is there any poll there? She said no, that door

1019
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:41,079
is closed and she went for his head. So I

1020
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:44,079
liked everything they had there. I thought the fight choreography

1021
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,119
was good. I like him using that helmet as a weapon.

1022
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,119
Like I said, I think the only thing they missed

1023
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,440
was when he was turning into people. He should have

1024
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,679
turned into her brother, because that's how this whole show started,

1025
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,239
right with Sarron killed her brother and we saw him

1026
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,880
in season one, and I thought that would have been

1027
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,159
the last final, Like, oh that would really.

1028
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: Thought the viewers wouldn't like remember that.

1029
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably right, because he all turned into people

1030
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,960
we had just seen. But I thought like, oh, this

1031
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,719
is a good moment, but nonetheless very good moment. Other

1032
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,599
than I don't buy that she jumped off the hill.

1033
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,880
That's fine, or it's a cliff, that's fine. I get that.

1034
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,159
To me, it wasn't that far wor sorrow when she's like,

1035
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:20,679
well she got away, like it still looked like it

1036
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,639
was like just hiked down there and you can get her,

1037
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,840
especially with his power, so it felt like he kind

1038
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,360
of that was like a video game cut scene of

1039
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,400
the guy just well it's like GT hiding behind the

1040
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,199
trash can of he can literally still like see her

1041
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,400
with his eyes and he wants this ring, but because

1042
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,159
she jumped off a cliff, I'm good. So other than

1043
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:39,559
the ending, I really like that to interaction fight.

1044
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: He got his nine rings, right, I mean he would

1045
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,639
have loved to get glad Reel's, but I think you

1046
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:45,880
know he got the nine rings. That's the same thing,

1047
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,480
so you can leave that fight for another day.

1048
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: He was just he was like, oh, that was the

1049
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,159
thing of beauty, Like he was pretty impressed by that ring,

1050
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,840
so I thought he really won it. But you're right,

1051
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:55,679
he did get the nines.

1052
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 6: I wanted to put his black goop on it.

1053
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,079
Speaker 5: I know, I completely with everything you said there. I

1054
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:04,159
really like that sequence. And yeah, just the resilience of

1055
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,800
glad Yrl to fucking yet off a mountain, smashed it

1056
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,559
some trees on the way down and survived to tell

1057
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:12,400
the tale is pretty cool.

1058
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

1059
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 5: And I actually found myself like, not really that bad

1060
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,000
bothered by gil Gallad.

1061
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: In this episode, so that was a nice change of face.

1062
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 7: I was hoping the Orcs would slit his throat instead

1063
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,320
of burning the books.

1064
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,519
Speaker 3: I would have taken that too.

1065
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 5: But I just found myself not annoyed by everything he

1066
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,960
was saying when he was talking to her when she

1067
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:33,199
was kind of waking up after being on conscious there

1068
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,559
from falling off the mountain side.

1069
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:36,679
Speaker 3: So yeah, I liked that stuff.

1070
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:41,199
Speaker 2: I I like, Yeah, I.

1071
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,559
Speaker 7: Think I agree mostly with everything you guys said on

1072
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:46,000
the on the fight most Travis said, maybe there was

1073
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:48,760
just like some little moments when they're going back and forth,

1074
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,599
it just it seemed like they're doing a talk dance

1075
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:53,639
as opposed to a fall on fight, which is mostly

1076
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,119
kind of what they were trying to do, right Like,

1077
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:57,599
it's mostly a psychological battle with Sara on getting into

1078
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,920
her mind and then her having the the fortitude and

1079
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,639
resolved to kind of like push back that roundhouse kick

1080
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:05,440
that she does on him, which when she just like

1081
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,320
closed the door, I was like, holy fuck, that was quick,

1082
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,000
A nice little sidekicks she did. But uh yeah, when

1083
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,320
oh no, it's happening again. It's happening again. What happened

1084
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,320
the oh yeah, the the Morgal blade stab, and how

1085
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,320
incredibly identical it is the Fellowship of the Ring sequence.

1086
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,920
When she like wakes up, you like almost see fucking

1087
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,599
hugo we face.

1088
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:31,119
Speaker 2: Wake up Frodo.

1089
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,119
Speaker 7: Like it's just it's so similar, and like, I get it.

1090
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:37,840
She got stabbed at the same type of blade that

1091
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,840
thro did it. It's just it's kind of what we're

1092
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,039
talking about earlier, right with like the same lines. And

1093
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:45,320
I think because of just seeing those movies so many times,

1094
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,119
it's just I'm like seeing Frodo in the bed in Rivendell, it's.

1095
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,599
Speaker 2: October the fourth of like blah blah blah, Like it's.

1096
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 7: Just okay, okay, yes, I get it, but yeah, no,

1097
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,719
I thought the overall fight was really good. Something that

1098
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,719
like I feel like didn't really stand out to me

1099
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,480
at all in this season except for this episode. Is

1100
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,960
they like really made the Elvin rings and the Dwarven

1101
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:11,480
ring as well, like Duran's ring like super large. It

1102
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:13,199
looks like a fucking ring pop.

1103
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,599
Speaker 2: And like like.

1104
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 7: Like I don't know, I guess to like just really

1105
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,320
showcase like the jewel, but it just looks so like

1106
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:24,119
ridiculously large on Gladule's finger I found, and like we've

1107
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:26,079
seen this ring before, you know, I guess you can

1108
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,280
make the argument it's it's a different universe. It's not

1109
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,519
attached to the Peter Gevnstein. But they just looked really

1110
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:34,920
really large in this episode. And then I'm like thinking

1111
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,639
to myself, it's like.

1112
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,519
Speaker 2: Did they always look that large like it did?

1113
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 7: Maybe maybe when they do like the close up on

1114
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,960
the ground and then like el Ron goes to grab it,

1115
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,880
it's just again like a fucking ring pop in the air.

1116
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,599
But no, overall, I thought I thought it was a

1117
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,920
satisfying enough meet up, especially that you know they haven't

1118
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,559
seen each other face to face for a while now,

1119
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:57,920
and I like the imagery of just her falling and

1120
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,880
then when gil Gallad and el Rond are seeing that

1121
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,000
and then you just see like the dark figure of

1122
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:03,960
sour On just like kind of on the mountain peak.

1123
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:07,400
It it looked really really cool shot. And uh yeah,

1124
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,119
I was a little bit confused why Elron didn't just

1125
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,880
put her ring on her finger, because I figured that

1126
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,519
would have also just kind of helped cure like the

1127
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:19,039
darkness that was in her right, because like, you want, look,

1128
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,320
look what happened to add Ar right, like he turned

1129
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,360
from fucking emo dark mode to full on Keliborne again.

1130
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,199
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna run with that now.

1131
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 7: But uh yeah, I still thought it was It was

1132
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,320
nice then the ending was it was good enough.

1133
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: I will say too, Elron didn't like embrace her or

1134
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,159
run and hug or anything. So I'm hoping that that

1135
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,280
kiss is just remained.

1136
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 2: And they didn't even address that. Ah yah.

1137
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:45,679
Speaker 3: Seem yeah like they were doubling down on.

1138
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: That they saw it last week though I get hit

1139
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:49,719
the scene out where they make love take that out.

1140
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,039
We're not gonna mention it, you know, so, but I'm

1141
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,960
I'm happy about that. And uh yeah L's are going

1142
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,280
to war. I know a fight.

1143
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:01,079
Speaker 2: Man know to do that. Yeah, I was gonna just mention.

1144
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 7: I feel like I feel like this era the Elves

1145
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,360
are supposed to be like really popping off, Like they

1146
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,519
just defeated more Goth in the last age. Maybe that

1147
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:12,480
took a lot of toll in them, but like add

1148
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:16,840
ours Orus really really guys, like they completely decimated Oregion.

1149
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:22,000
So so there you go. Sararon is a big factor

1150
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,920
of that. So I'll give give the pass there. But

1151
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,280
just when I had like Gill Galad and like el

1152
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,440
Ron just like on the.

1153
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: Ground, like please all the books, It's just.

1154
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 7: Like I don't know, man, I don't know if I

1155
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,400
have faith in these Elves to go take the fight

1156
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,440
to Souron when they just got their asking by the Orux.

1157
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:40,960
But fair enough, I did kind of disregard the whole

1158
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,039
Eron or sorry, the whole uh Anatar basically being like

1159
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:47,800
the main factor on how that invasion worked.

1160
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,559
Speaker 1: You definitely need the Dwarfs, you need them for sure.

1161
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 5: That was that was pretty disappointing to me that eventually

1162
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,599
the Dwarves did show up after we get the whole

1163
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,039
sequence back in cause of Doom, and they there's like

1164
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:06,360
two shots of them, and it's like, Okay, they save

1165
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,360
the day, but then like they just leave and a

1166
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,840
regularm is still completely fucked and they're gonna, you know,

1167
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:11,760
abandon the city.

1168
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 3: It's raised to the ground.

1169
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:16,559
Speaker 5: So it's like, did they even I guess the Dwarves

1170
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,840
helped like free our heroes.

1171
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 3: And their main purpose there rather than.

1172
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,079
Speaker 5: Actually saving the city. But I just I was just

1173
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,119
a disappointed from like the battle side of things. I

1174
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:27,880
know the battle was last week and all, but still

1175
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,360
I feel like that was that would have been a

1176
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,199
fun extra phase to this battle and maybe it'd be

1177
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:34,559
weird pacing wise to split that across two episodes, but

1178
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,840
I was a little a little disappointed with the Dwarves

1179
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:38,679
coming to save the day.

1180
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,639
Speaker 1: There, I feel like they kind of came after the fact,

1181
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:43,920
you know, like the battle had already like the janitors, Yeah,

1182
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,760
all the main troops had gone home and they're just

1183
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,159
killing like the Wave two or because that art is

1184
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:49,760
like holding prisoners.

1185
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 7: But they didn't even like win, like a regulon still

1186
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,679
fell right. Like it's like what Dylan was saying, like they.

1187
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 5: They came, they saw that Caliber Wars architectures were destroying,

1188
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,039
and they're like, we don't give a shit anymore. The

1189
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:04,079
city was written on those scrolls, and then they're like,

1190
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:04,800
we're out of here.

1191
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: The one thing that Durance says to Elron too, it's

1192
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:07,519
like the Princes in.

1193
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:10,559
Speaker 7: Morning, that's it, and then he just goes back to

1194
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:13,679
Kaza Doom and like like really, I I mostly just

1195
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,000
like seeing their armor showcase because like I haven't seen

1196
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:19,920
the Peter Jackson Hobbits, so I haven't seen like dwarves

1197
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,000
really pop off on screen other than just Gimli, And

1198
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,480
I really like Battle for You of the Five Armies Army.

1199
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,480
I like the book version. It's pretty good in my mind,

1200
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:34,199
but just just yeah, their armor set looked really cool

1201
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:36,519
and unique and just all of them having crossbows and

1202
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,360
it looked pretty cool, but definitely lackluster in the sense

1203
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,079
of how much they were involved in the fight.

1204
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: And they don't really like they don't really talk, like,

1205
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:46,840
like I said, just.

1206
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,679
Speaker 7: The one line that that Durrance says to el Ron

1207
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:50,599
and then.

1208
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: That's just it. They just fast travel back to uh Kaza.

1209
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:57,559
Speaker 1: Doom very quick. Yeah, and they're like, what an offer, like,

1210
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:00,239
we will be with you anytime, and then Duran's wye, no,

1211
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,960
we won't. We got our own stuff going on. So

1212
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,880
it's like, oh, okay, cool, you know, so Darth saying

1213
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:08,639
you look like you were.

1214
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,199
Speaker 6: I did, but I totally forgot what I was gonna say.

1215
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,039
Speaker 7: I'm in the water tonight, something about the elves, the dwarves, uh.

1216
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: Kill gallon. Okay, let's go to the drawers. So we had,

1217
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,559
you know, saying that hashtag trst told you that ball rog.

1218
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:27,239
You're getting it as as much as you can. But

1219
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,599
uh yeah, King During or durnt During Senior, whatever you

1220
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,880
call him. You hear something going on down there, so

1221
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,599
he's gonna go. Then During Junior tells his wife, don't

1222
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,880
follow me no matter what you hear. She disobeys that,

1223
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,960
but I guess for good. And then they quickly quickly

1224
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,440
tell us the story about him holding his hand down,

1225
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,119
which I wish they like set it up like a

1226
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:53,000
couple episodes ago. But he tells the story about you know,

1227
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:55,480
you would never let my you like it's like a

1228
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:59,159
test of strength, right, and yeah, during Junior is just

1229
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,960
kind of inferring that he would let him win. But

1230
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:05,079
before the ball Rock takes King Durn, he informs him, no,

1231
00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:08,760
you were just getting stronger. And then King Duran foolishly

1232
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,599
decides like I'm gonna take on the bell Rock, like

1233
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:16,159
I feel like he's more valuable. He just turns and runs,

1234
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:18,480
you know, but alas I guess and.

1235
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: Like probably better with the ring on, you know.

1236
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: Like, but yeah, we have lost King Duran, and now

1237
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:29,400
the dwarves are not really at least some of them

1238
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,199
are not in favor of Prince Duran, and there's talk

1239
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,679
of his brothers coming in sorry brother not pearl not

1240
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:41,599
plural uh to run. So yeah, like I'm I'm somewhat intrigued.

1241
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:43,280
I think they could have got a little more juice

1242
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,239
at the father Son dynam near the end, because I

1243
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,119
think these last few episodes, I've kind of just had

1244
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:50,639
Warner scenes there. But yeah, I enjoyed it, and I'm

1245
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,679
interested to see what happens with the brother. And I

1246
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:55,199
just knew they're gonna do the bell Rock because you're

1247
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:57,880
gonna see that bell Rock every single season. I promise you.

1248
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,639
They know what they got there, so we're.

1249
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,679
Speaker 3: Gonna leave us on edge.

1250
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: Was there some super like, uh like enhancement to Duran's

1251
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,920
acts that he was using, because when he went into

1252
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,760
that final smash against the dog, it just looked like

1253
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:13,119
there was.

1254
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:16,119
Speaker 6: An explosion, like his acts like smashed.

1255
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:18,039
Speaker 4: Through it or had something going for it.

1256
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:22,559
Speaker 5: So it's not maybe he probably a calibrin bore original

1257
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:25,519
that was probably a fine piece of hardware there.

1258
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:26,519
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

1259
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: It did look like an explosion, like it was guts

1260
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:30,960
going everywhere.

1261
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 2: From the smack of.

1262
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 7: Damn.

1263
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think this this sequence was it was

1264
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,320
it was all right. I think it's a more I

1265
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:43,920
am excited for what's next with the Dwarves. I mean,

1266
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,159
I generally did like what was going on this season here.

1267
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:48,280
I think it's a good setup of like is his

1268
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,960
brother out there, He's he wants to claim at the

1269
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,480
throne and then like all the other factions that got

1270
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:56,760
the other rings and were kind of being used by

1271
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,199
King Duran are also some of them have take an

1272
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,320
issue with the new king as well and want to

1273
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,000
claim ownership there. So I think we're set up for

1274
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:07,599
just like, hey, here's a bunch of potential different dwarf

1275
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:10,719
in factions all down in these mines that all want

1276
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,840
a piece of the pie and want a piece of

1277
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,360
this kingdom, all while under underneath their toes the bower

1278
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,920
rogs like right there, and it's like getting closer and closer.

1279
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,039
So I think it's a it's a good setup, and

1280
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,000
I'm excited for uh for what we get going forward,

1281
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,559
pretty like expected ending for this character, I suppose, yeah,

1282
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:31,920
King Duran here, Yeah.

1283
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I like that, Like we didn't just get the

1284
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,400
full on fucking fall of like in this episode, like

1285
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,800
can you imagine last ten minutes? So yeah, I'm I'm

1286
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,239
in agreeance with you, Dylan. I I I really did

1287
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,159
like the dwarf stuff. I think I think, oh my gosh,

1288
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,639
Nessa Nesa whatever her name was during Deza there you go,

1289
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,519
I think that's the actor's name, actually, Nessa, but Desa.

1290
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:59,079
I thought she was one of my favorite characters in

1291
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:02,440
this entire and honestly, I thought she was fantastic. So

1292
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:05,679
I'm I'm excited to get new dwarfing characters, some new

1293
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,239
drama as opposed to just the crazy Durin going just

1294
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,159
psycho and like that's just our threat in the Dwarving Kingdom. Like,

1295
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,920
I am happy that we're we're expanding, We're delving in

1296
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,599
other directions of the mind to find some other Dwarfs.

1297
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:21,519
So I am looking forward to that. And in terms

1298
00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:25,239
of the Bell rog yeah, I don't really like that

1299
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,039
it was here, but uh fuck did it look good?

1300
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: Like?

1301
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 7: Man, I am not a fan of bell Rocks with wings.

1302
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:33,840
It's just like, I don't know. To me, it just

1303
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,320
it just doesn't doesn't fit at all. Every time that

1304
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,079
a bell Rock has died, it's been from falling, so like,

1305
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,920
why the fuck would bell Rocks have wings?

1306
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: Like it?

1307
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:44,159
Speaker 7: Just I don't like it. I didn't like in the

1308
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:46,920
Peter Jackson trilogy. I think it looks cool, you know,

1309
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,920
it's ostrich. The reason why they put it on is

1310
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,800
badass free and it looks cool, and I I agree

1311
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,440
with that, but just the actual like factor of like

1312
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,800
them having wings. Not a fan of but god, the

1313
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:01,920
visuals look gorgeous.

1314
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:04,039
Speaker 5: Kirkly, here's an idea, you know how, it's maybe what

1315
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,000
if it's like almost like a bellow that it's to

1316
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:07,760
stoke the flames on the body.

1317
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that.

1318
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,119
Speaker 7: However, in this he actually used it to like kind

1319
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,360
of like flutter a little bit, like when he like

1320
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,360
bounces back down and he like flaps with them, which

1321
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,880
I'm pretty sure that Peter Jackson bell Rock does not.

1322
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: Do at all.

1323
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,719
Speaker 7: It's just like a big like like fan that goes off.

1324
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:28,880
But I like your theory of the bellows heavy is

1325
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,280
like the wings probably wouldn't be you know, you can't

1326
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,039
just take flighting fly across the lens, but you can

1327
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:37,000
at least like maybe do a little double jump action

1328
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,199
with it jump, you know, so maybe fat situation it

1329
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:42,599
made more sense. But like when he's falling off the bridge,

1330
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,800
when off breaks that like there's.

1331
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 3: There's no chance he's to stop his momentum fly.

1332
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 2: Maybe I like that.

1333
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:50,639
Speaker 7: I'm going to a headcanon that that it's just like

1334
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:54,440
a double jump factor, so or maybe it's just falling

1335
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,719
with style as a pulse to fly in. So okay, yeah,

1336
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,719
that that helps for sure, but visual looked fucking gorgeous.

1337
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,960
I thought that looked just amazing.

1338
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 5: Watching that sequence and hot off playing a bunch of Elderring,

1339
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,199
I was like, man, I so badly want a look

1340
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:10,760
like a from software to make a Lord of the

1341
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,199
Rings game, and like they're the ballerrock boss fight would

1342
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:17,119
be so fucking sick, and all the other like huge

1343
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:19,719
enemies like she Lob and these things would be so.

1344
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,239
Speaker 2: Cool, more goth final boss Hell.

1345
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:32,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we moved to the Wizard folk and

1346
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:35,679
the horror Foots and everything. I was happy Tom Bombdill's back,

1347
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,039
not because I thought I was wrong with that prediction,

1348
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:41,519
but he finally sung, so it's happy we got I

1349
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:42,719
was going.

1350
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: On mentions the river daughter ell.

1351
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so this is a storyline I'm still kind

1352
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,239
of mixed on because the Dark Wizard was a very

1353
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,159
big like, well wait until next year.

1354
00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: His whole last appointment is what you're trying to say.

1355
00:59:56,039 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm trying not to because I'm trying not

1356
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,880
to be just overly naked because they're still just things,

1357
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,400
like again, like I don't think overall, there's some characters,

1358
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,119
but it's acted well, looks good, but the idea of

1359
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:09,679
whatever his lacke's where that kidnapped the Hobbits and then

1360
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:11,800
he just like kills one and they run away. That

1361
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,199
felt like just such like a like a Captain Fazma

1362
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:17,480
thing of let's introduce some cool characters and well they're

1363
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:21,199
really nothing. And then, as I was saying earlier, where

1364
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:24,559
I guess I feel like like a tad emotional but

1365
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:26,719
not really but like I have some investment in him

1366
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,480
saying goodbye to the Halflings. But for me, I already

1367
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:32,320
said a couple episodes ago that I don't think they

1368
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,400
should have split them up again. If they get back

1369
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,960
together next year, then I guess, Okay, then I'm the idiot.

1370
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,480
But to me, I liked what they were doing in

1371
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:41,960
episodes one to three, and they split them up and

1372
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,960
then only for them to say goodbye. I wish they

1373
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,760
were just all together the whole season, maybe borrowing one

1374
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,400
episode so again Off could talk to Tom Baumbadill. But yeah,

1375
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,159
I again not bad. I don't think the story it

1376
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:57,199
was bad. I just think it was a little lacky,

1377
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:00,159
and the dark Wizard thing didn't really pay off for

1378
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:02,239
me yet. But that's again that's more of like, oh

1379
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,719
maybe down the road. But yeah, and we got the

1380
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:12,559
name drop, so he's officially you know, Gandalf, So yeah,

1381
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,639
go ahead, don't talk at once.

1382
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 4: Dark Wizard was just an absolute yeah, waste of waste

1383
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,000
of time. I have no attachment to this character at all.

1384
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:24,159
And it was I mean, it was kind of interesting

1385
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:26,199
to get a little bit of backstory when he was

1386
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:29,880
trying to sway Gandalf over and was kind of like

1387
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,920
telling them about like where they existed before.

1388
01:01:33,079 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: But I don't know, said he was one of five,

1389
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,119
which is interesting, right, so he would have been.

1390
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 4: Only in Saramon or one of the two Blue Wizards.

1391
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 7: And I'm hoping it's one of the two Blues Wizards

1392
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,280
because if they're making this Saramon like no, fuck you guys.

1393
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 4: Like Sarimon was the first one out of the five,

1394
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,639
I'm pretty sure to come to Middle Earth, right, That's

1395
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:56,239
why he's like the wisest of the order.

1396
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe I was just the White Wizards, and the

1397
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,719
White Wizards supposed to be like the leader of the five.

1398
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,559
Speaker 1: I would just hate the guy that eventually joins sorrow

1399
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:07,039
On at one point is known as the Dark Wizard beforehand,

1400
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:08,159
you know, that's that's.

1401
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:10,599
Speaker 7: Way and like you shouldn't be evil at this point,

1402
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:12,159
this is like this is the idea. It's not like

1403
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:16,239
he came to Middle Earth evil, Like right out the gate.

1404
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,639
Speaker 1: The Dark Wizard did say he's not evil. He said,

1405
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:21,559
men gave me that name, don't dark Wizard. But he

1406
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:24,400
didn't get he's not going around Kirkling. He's not calling

1407
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:25,440
himself the Dark Wizard.

1408
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 4: People calling, but he's dropping the whole fucking canyon on

1409
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,840
the haarffoots and the steel.

1410
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:36,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not saying he's Dark Wizard.

1411
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,119
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping. I'm hoping.

1412
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,199
Speaker 7: I don't even know what I'm hoping honestly with this character,

1413
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:43,760
like the fact that he was alluding that he's in

1414
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,000
a star and then we don't actually get what he is,

1415
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,079
and he doesn't look very blue to me.

1416
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: So like under that rope, I don't know.

1417
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,599
Speaker 1: His es is just blue, like remembering Two Towers. When

1418
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:59,239
Ganov takes off his his great cloak, that's what they're

1419
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:01,760
going to be blue, Like, oh my god, he's looking

1420
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:02,719
like Doctor Manhattan.

1421
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm I'm just I don't see an avenue

1422
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,199
that this is going to be a satisfying revelation for me.

1423
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,480
Of like a reveal of who this character is. I

1424
01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:15,719
I just I'm really worried that they're gonna make it

1425
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,000
like a significant change for a certain wizard.

1426
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know I was.

1427
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,519
Speaker 7: I was very disappointed with this character. I didn't really

1428
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:28,599
love his inclusion. I like seeing Rune more of that,

1429
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:30,639
but we didn't really see more of that, like at all.

1430
01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:32,599
Speaker 2: We just see like the one room and then.

1431
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:35,199
Speaker 7: These these idiot troops that he has that are like

1432
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,800
runic individuals, cool armor design, but anytime they spoke, it's

1433
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,440
just like, oh my god, they have like the three

1434
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,599
Stooges out to get these hard foots, Like it's just

1435
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:47,320
they're so stupid. Yeah, And I just I don't I

1436
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,280
just don't like the setup for next season with with

1437
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,679
the Dark Wizard, and I'm really not looking forward to

1438
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:53,440
to get that reveal. So that was that was a

1439
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,199
big bummer for me, really. But yeah, I did like

1440
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,000
the scene at the end with Tom Bomb Medill. I

1441
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,920
will admit it was really nice. I like the whole

1442
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:05,079
idea that it was a test for Gandel, that the

1443
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:08,679
song was amazing and I'm just chilling and just fucking

1444
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,679
smoke of their pipe weed and just just just singing songs.

1445
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:15,280
So as someone i'll admit, you know, didn't like the

1446
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,480
idea of Tom Bombadil in the show, I was actually

1447
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:19,760
happy with what was done with them, so I will

1448
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,480
uh yeah, I'll admit very nice.

1449
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:23,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1450
01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 5: Overall that that whole storyline was like what are we

1451
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,000
even doing here? Like, I feel like we barely spent

1452
01:04:29,159 --> 01:04:32,480
much time with it. It had like a very unsatisfying

1453
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:35,760
ending and I don't even know what it like sets

1454
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,360
up in an interesting way, so we'll see what happens there,

1455
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,760
but it was overall pretty disappointing, and it was funny

1456
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,840
the so that bomb Atilt that that quote that riddle

1457
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,480
where he's like, you choose your destiny or you choose

1458
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,920
to save your friends. Uh, Like we didn't when we

1459
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,599
talked about that in that episode. I don't think any

1460
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:55,719
of us really considered that it was a test and

1461
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,599
the answer was to pick your friends. But then it

1462
01:04:57,639 --> 01:04:59,480
was funny when when I was watching the start of

1463
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:02,880
the episode, like the episode recap, it showed that line

1464
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,800
again and in that moment, I was like, oh, that

1465
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:07,320
was definitely a test and he actually wanted him to

1466
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,760
pick friendship. I don't know why, just like seeing it

1467
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,880
recontextualized in this episode just made me think that was

1468
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:13,199
the case.

1469
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:16,159
Speaker 3: So I felt pretty satisfied when that was what ended

1470
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:17,199
up happening. And I like that.

1471
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,599
Speaker 5: I like that these two can be on good terms

1472
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:22,239
with each other and Bombdills and just like pissed Agandal

1473
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,079
for like going off and doing something else and then

1474
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:26,519
we never see that character again, because like he had

1475
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:29,320
like what fifteen minutes of screen time maximum across this

1476
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,199
whole this whole season. But I want to see more

1477
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:33,000
of him.

1478
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,639
Speaker 3: And I want to get more of that connection. So

1479
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,280
I feel like we're set up pretty well for that.

1480
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,920
How do you guys feel about the name? The name

1481
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,679
reveal and how it was set up for gandalf Randel.

1482
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: I didn't mind it.

1483
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:47,679
Speaker 3: I think it was fun.

1484
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,199
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it name too.

1485
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,679
Speaker 5: I guess I was expecting to feel stronger one way

1486
01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:56,760
or the other. Most probably I was probably expecting a

1487
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,360
negative react. I was just I was expecting the solo moment,

1488
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,000
you know, and it was much better than that, So.

1489
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,159
Speaker 3: I was I was happy with her.

1490
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,119
Speaker 7: It made sense when when the like the like the

1491
01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:09,320
gentleman just says to him, like he looks tall like

1492
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,559
an elf and he's grand so thank you grand Elf, and.

1493
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 3: Like it did make sense.

1494
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,199
Speaker 2: It sounds like Gandalf, So there you go.

1495
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 5: I like seeing some guy traveling alone and being like, ah, solo.

1496
01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna go to Tom.

1497
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 7: It's like, my name is grand Elf, and I'm like, oh, man, no,

1498
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,440
let's let's tweak that. Then Tom gives him like a

1499
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,840
corrected name. But yeah, no, that's good.

1500
01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:31,719
Speaker 3: I love it.

1501
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:34,159
Speaker 7: Part of me thought that we might be getting like

1502
01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:36,719
a different name for him, because like Souron, he does

1503
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:37,960
go by many different names.

1504
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 2: I think like min Ethanar is what they call him.

1505
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: No, no, I can't pick can't pick that one.

1506
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,679
Speaker 2: So no, it's taken.

1507
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,239
Speaker 3: That was the last guy that came here, Tom Bomb.

1508
01:06:54,239 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: But no, no, go back with the Hartfoot.

1509
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 2: You more lessons to learn.

1510
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: Go throw them around some tornados a bit. So are

1511
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,800
they going next season or like, even if they're not

1512
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,039
with Gandalf, do we get solo storylines with them or

1513
01:07:12,039 --> 01:07:14,440
are they gone for a bit? I think they I

1514
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,320
think they're around the same. Yeah, I think they find

1515
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,559
some way they get back in the thick of things that.

1516
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 5: I hate to say, I don't think I think THEO

1517
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:22,440
is around too.

1518
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: That kid.

1519
01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:27,239
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely is. He's he's not going anywhere until he dies,

1520
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:27,559
you know.

1521
01:07:28,199 --> 01:07:30,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's gonna live everyone in the show. He

1522
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:31,559
can go doubted.

1523
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,559
Speaker 7: Like, you're probably right, my heart's gonna say no, I'm

1524
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:39,880
gonna try and just will that in existing manifest you

1525
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:44,119
know manifest. You know, like I don't hate the performances,

1526
01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:46,239
it's just like I don't want to spend screen time

1527
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,800
with them because I I just feel like I don't

1528
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,960
get a lot out of out of those moments, especially

1529
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,880
like nobody ever.

1530
01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 5: Again fuck that guy over him?

1531
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 2: Taylor? What do you think our foot stores Hobbits?

1532
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:05,519
Speaker 4: I think Bilbo, every every live action Lord of the

1533
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:10,440
Rings project has had, you know, focus on Hobbits, and

1534
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,440
I did so for two years. Yeah, but it's every

1535
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:19,479
you know, three more seasons. I guarantee you're gonna get halfoots.

1536
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 6: And stores and every single one.

1537
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, anything else? I think that's it, right, I

1538
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:28,439
think we did it.

1539
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,079
Speaker 2: So am I misremembering what happened to here? Dan?

1540
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 7: Did you just go on the ships West at the

1541
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,720
start of the season, because he's just been gone, right,

1542
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,000
He's the one with the he's the ship, right, He's

1543
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,600
the one that had the ring and was convincing el

1544
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:43,800
Ron that it's a good right.

1545
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: He just pimp right off and avoided all the war

1546
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:46,439
and everything.

1547
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 7: But that's what happened, right, he just sailed west of

1548
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,359
Eleanor's gone.

1549
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,039
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm getting the fuck out of here. You

1550
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:57,920
guys are disagreeing with each other. Sorrow's back, I got

1551
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,159
a ring. I'm happy see, But that's what I remember,

1552
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:08,359
him just going away, so nice. Well, final thoughts Taylor,

1553
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:09,840
and a rating on the season.

1554
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 6: Oh, a season as a whole.

1555
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 4: You know, I think that.

1556
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,399
Speaker 6: It started off. It started off slow, and I.

1557
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 4: Think what we've alluded to in previous episodes, they've really

1558
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,479
dumbed down a lot of the characters when Saron was

1559
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,199
just trying to like spread his reach and do his

1560
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:33,000
ring business. So I can't forgive them for that. I

1561
01:09:33,039 --> 01:09:37,680
think that's just pretty sloppy writing. So ultimately I'm probably

1562
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,720
gonna go I'm still on the more positive side. I

1563
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,560
probably go seven out of ten. I did enjoy it,

1564
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,800
but I wish I could remember what I gave the

1565
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:47,439
first season.

1566
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 6: I feel like I like this more higher on that higher.

1567
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I gave it like a nine. I

1568
01:09:53,119 --> 01:09:55,119
think you were kind of with me on that because

1569
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:56,319
you and me were more positive.

1570
01:09:56,399 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 4: So in retrospect, I feel like I would probably lower

1571
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,560
that rating for the first season and then makes this

1572
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:07,000
one higher just because I feel like this one feels

1573
01:10:07,039 --> 01:10:09,880
more like a Middle Earth adventure in my books. This

1574
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,079
one has me excited, and ever since we've been watching

1575
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:13,880
and doing this review, I just wanted to put the

1576
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,279
Hobbit on and put the Lord of the Rings on

1577
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:17,600
so badly and just get into that, which I'm probably

1578
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,720
going to now that we finished finish the show.

1579
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,319
Speaker 7: So after our next review we're going to do after this,

1580
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:24,800
we're going to put on the Hobbit extend.

1581
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 6: Started, started, started now.

1582
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,319
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think I think the show has a

1583
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:32,680
lot of things that it's it's got to refine and

1584
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,279
it's got to work towards. But my hardest, hardest issue

1585
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:39,000
with this is just trying to make sure I remind

1586
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:45,119
myself that this is outside of the Jackson films, because man,

1587
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,800
it's just especially seeing the Blade in our Seal and

1588
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:50,399
a few other things, it just feels like, oh man,

1589
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,399
this is this has.

1590
01:10:52,279 --> 01:10:54,159
Speaker 6: To be a prequel show. But it's not. That's all

1591
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:55,359
I got to keep telling myself.

1592
01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: So it's take it as a reboot, pretends a reboot.

1593
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to pretend it as a reboot

1594
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:03,000
because you're just ganned off dropping lines from the movies

1595
01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:04,159
and it's like, oh, this guy.

1596
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:06,119
Speaker 1: But that's where reboot is, right, where it's like it's

1597
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:11,079
remaking something but not beat for beats. So you know, boom, Yeah,

1598
01:11:11,119 --> 01:11:11,640
it's true.

1599
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 5: Dylm uh, let's see here, here's a power season two.

1600
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1601
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 5: I had a rocky a rocky start, and really with

1602
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,000
a rocky show in general for me, had its ups

1603
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,680
and downs, had some great moments, had some good moments,

1604
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,439
had a lot of a lot of mediocre stuff, and

1605
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,000
then a fair share of bad things as well. So

1606
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:35,079
it was it was a fun time. I'll be back

1607
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:36,159
for season three.

1608
01:11:36,319 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1609
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 5: I just like being in this world, even if it's

1610
01:11:39,279 --> 01:11:42,079
a different sort of vibe to it. So I think

1611
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:45,399
I'm gonna drop a six point nine on.

1612
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 3: This puppy six point nine, And I.

1613
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:51,279
Speaker 5: Think the first season would have been pre me giving

1614
01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:56,239
things numbers still, So yeah, that's that's still unnumbered and

1615
01:11:56,279 --> 01:11:57,840
it's gonna stay that way for the time being.

1616
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: Well wait till Dylan rewatches it and then we'll get

1617
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,960
that number. But yeah, I really don't know where I

1618
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,840
am with this. It's like what you guys said, I

1619
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,800
think it's I think there's some things we share with

1620
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,720
some things we don't, but we do share the opinion

1621
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,479
that the season was rocky. Maybe just something's worked better

1622
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,800
than others for each individual. But uh, I think I'll

1623
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,640
go a seven. The way it gets to seven is

1624
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,560
just because some of the actual visuals for the show,

1625
01:12:27,159 --> 01:12:29,000
So I guess it's still good score. But usually give

1626
01:12:29,039 --> 01:12:32,680
stuff round seven of things. I'll rewatch a bunch. I

1627
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,079
don't know Season three is gonna be the big determining

1628
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:38,000
factor of like is this a show that's in my

1629
01:12:38,119 --> 01:12:40,199
rotation of like I want to get into Rings the Power,

1630
01:12:40,199 --> 01:12:42,680
because like, I enjoyed the season, don't get me wrong,

1631
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,560
but I'm not itching to rewatch this. Where the first

1632
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,000
season last year I was so hopefully season three can

1633
01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:50,880
be more positive and this may be just more of

1634
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,199
a slump season for me. But uh yeah, so I'll

1635
01:12:54,199 --> 01:12:56,800
go a seven. It's getting that higher mark because the

1636
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,920
technical stuff, like even like last week, I thought that

1637
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,840
troll looked for nomenal But yeah, so for me a

1638
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,680
step down because I said, I think season one was

1639
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,119
somewhere in the high eight nine territory, so almost a

1640
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:11,119
whole two points off, But that feels about justified. I hope,

1641
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:14,279
uh hope season three can be a big improvement to

1642
01:13:14,319 --> 01:13:15,720
get me to the point that every week I'm like

1643
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,079
I need to see Rings of Power where I'm kind

1644
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:20,439
of like, oh, like last two weeks, like all right,

1645
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,800
Rings of Powers out now in the morning, you know, so,

1646
01:13:23,119 --> 01:13:27,920
which should not be the case. But yeah, mister Batzer, six.

1647
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 7: Point three will be my rating on this season of

1648
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:37,840
Rings of Power. Like just quality of production definitely up there.

1649
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,960
Like it's just it's a beautiful show to watch. I

1650
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,880
definitely am happy that this show seems to just have

1651
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:47,159
an infinite budget because it shows. It looks gorgeous, bell

1652
01:13:47,239 --> 01:13:52,439
Rog looked phenomenal. I just I can't really get past

1653
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:58,680
my sounds heavy, my hatred for the Hartfoots and what

1654
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,920
they were doing at New Minor the whole art of

1655
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,520
thing or not arta, the whole adar thing in hindsight,

1656
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,119
like I'm if I do rewatch like season one, now,

1657
01:14:07,159 --> 01:14:08,960
I'm just gonna be like hating on this character because

1658
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,479
I'm gonna be thinking about the end and just what

1659
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,000
happens with this whole journey of the Urus, the attempt

1660
01:14:13,159 --> 01:14:15,880
to humanize them, you know, they just never really fully

1661
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,359
get there. They even brought in some orc children and

1662
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:20,560
that wasn't enough, so that was a major waste. The

1663
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,680
Dark Wizard really wasn't a big fan of ended up,

1664
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,840
you know, turning a leaf on Tom Bombadil. So that

1665
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:30,159
was a nice little surprise for Meself and a lot

1666
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:33,199
of the Anatour, the Anatar and Kelibrinbor stuff.

1667
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 2: I did like that dynamic.

1668
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 7: Even though maybe I didn't love the character of Keller Brimbor,

1669
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:38,960
I definitely became a lot more positive on him by

1670
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,520
the end, because he is just such a sorry bastard,

1671
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,640
Like fuck, what a way to go right, Like, like

1672
01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:48,119
he is like he's the one that brought Sourn into

1673
01:14:48,119 --> 01:14:50,520
the city. He's like, yeah, bring that handsome elf up

1674
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,640
to me. Let's let's chat with him for a little bit.

1675
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,720
And then what did that lead to? Not only if

1676
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,960
the downfall of a region, but also all the burning

1677
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,760
of the ancient texts and all of his like thousands

1678
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,880
of years of like ork just burnt by these crusty

1679
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,960
old uruhs. So yeah, I there's a lot of stuff

1680
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:07,279
I had.

1681
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 3: He only had one copy.

1682
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:12,399
Speaker 7: You got pdf man, he's got to get those on PDFs.

1683
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,800
Let's you don't get the digital storage.

1684
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the cloud storage. I'm sure. I'm sure they got

1685
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:19,479
that technology.

1686
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,520
Speaker 1: They got magic, got fucking magic.

1687
01:15:22,359 --> 01:15:25,039
Speaker 3: Literaltalogy, but it was unfortunately written on one of those scrolls.

1688
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, something else, literal cloud storage.

1689
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,199
Speaker 7: You know something else that I am really upset about

1690
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:33,680
now that we're at the end of the season. Didn't

1691
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,640
really think about it during, but now that we are.

1692
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,079
Speaker 3: Past it during.

1693
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 2: Actually yes, yes.

1694
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 7: Actually, thanks for reminding me about that. So that's another

1695
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,800
Maybe I'll go down another point one. No, I'll keep

1696
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,720
it six point five. But Galadriel, I like major, major,

1697
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,960
major drop off from season one and we just are

1698
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,560
folksing other avenues and I didn't even mention but like

1699
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,720
theo is sale door all of that stuff, Like I

1700
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,800
just not as interested as I may maybe would have

1701
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,920
thought I would be, like on paper going into it.

1702
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,520
But uh yeah, glad Reel she was I think my

1703
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:08,159
favorite part of season one and she's just really gone

1704
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:09,399
for most of this season.

1705
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 2: Like she is in there.

1706
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,039
Speaker 7: It's nice to have her like be a big part

1707
01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:16,840
of this finale, But yeah, I'm just I'm just kind

1708
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,479
of bummed about that, and especially that we focus on

1709
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,199
other avenues I didn't love. But I don't know, I'm

1710
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:25,079
I am still optimistic going into next season for all

1711
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:29,079
the reasons we've kind of already talked about. But uh, yeah,

1712
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:32,640
it's it's disappointing though, right for how excited I was.

1713
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 2: These thears.

1714
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: You cry, Yeah, I it was that main At least

1715
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,760
that's a good thing, you know. But yeah, they definitely

1716
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:45,520
they definitely tried to like make Glad Real the main

1717
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,319
character the show again in this episode. But it's like,

1718
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,000
that's cheating you guys. Don't earn that she was in

1719
01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:52,319
episode one and then she was in the finale. But

1720
01:16:52,399 --> 01:16:56,359
there's still also six episodes where she's in cages fighting

1721
01:16:56,359 --> 01:16:59,359
with al Ron, kissing al Ron. Yeah, yeah, thinking of

1722
01:16:59,399 --> 01:17:02,279
Sara on, lots of Rons going on, talking about that

1723
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:09,720
million time fuck all. But well there we allays Joe,

1724
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,920
we have done it. We will be back at some point.

1725
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,800
It's probably gonna be two years from now for Rings

1726
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,720
of Power season two. They say they're still doing it,

1727
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,079
so we will be there, but the next time, at

1728
01:17:19,159 --> 01:17:21,600
least these boys for sure Dylan Kirkland, Lord of the

1729
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,880
Rings War for the we're here and that'll be reviewed,

1730
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,520
so we'll go for that. And we've, as we've said before,

1731
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,880
reviewed every single thing Lord of the Rings on the Feed,

1732
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,039
animated films, Hobbit, Lord of the Rings films, so if

1733
01:17:32,119 --> 01:17:34,760
you're interested, go back and listen. Those are some fun

1734
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,920
things there. So yes, thank you very much for being

1735
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:39,560
back with us and the journey in the Middle Earth.

1736
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,399
And I promise when you hear from us next you'll

1737
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:42,039
not be boring.

1738
01:17:43,079 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 4: Good